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Maria ([info]ladyofviolets) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2011-06-03 20:05:00


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Entry tags:fan theories, fandom: bleach

'Lo and behold, Bleach wank has returned!
The third artbook unmasked has been released, and according to some mice in wank_report, a pet theory brewed in Bleach Asylum has been jossed with a vengeance!

Before we start, some backstory on why this is so wanky:

So years ago in the Bleach fandom, someone took it upon himself to theorize about when and why the hougyoku (basically, the series's Mag Guffin) was placed inside Rukia's body. The gist of is that Aizen placed it inside of her as a baby because ~she has the purest soul in all of the Soul Society~. The reasoning for her soul being so pure was that her zanpkuto was pure white and considered the most beautiful ice and snow element sword. (Unfortunately, this theory was originally posted on the now-defunct Bleach Forums.) From there is was somehow worked out that her pure soul meant something, giving Rukia fans hope that she would become a main focus of the plot when this was brought up.


It soon became a hotly debated topic, because the manga was so vague as to when it was placed inside of her. The rabid Rukia fans naturally sticking to their story, while other fans thinking it's a little bit too much of a gambit, played out beautifully on Bleach Asylum. (Unfortunately the OP deleted her first post, but it's suggested to read anything she posts for a glimpse of how adamant fans were about this.)

So OF COURSE, when the new databook comes out and reveals that it was placed in Rukia's gigai some time at the end of the first chapter of the manga (when the story was just starting), things do not go well.

- athena/[info]qwirky breaks the news

- debbiechan feels betrayed and needs the weekend to be okay with the news

Inuhanyou speaks up and tries to reason by stating the Kubo trolls all the time, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he's "retconning" this, and jilted lover deebiechan is not happy with this.


"The difference is that the deal with Inoue and Chad was dealt with in the manga proper--what's confusing here is that this seems like a throwaway--in a databook. It's a pretty big deal. Looking at the page it really does seem like an editorial mistake because it's a huge plot point and it's pretty horrifyingly stupid to retcon something this big so casually in a book this way.

Yes, Kubo isn't a consistent plot-maker. Kubo moves in and around the lines but this is bigger than suddenly making Yammy a formidable opponent so we can occupy some characters so the plot can scurry along without them. This speaks to a lot of manga clues that were written out for years and Kubo's own words in interview. The nonchalance with the way this (apparent) retcon takes place is really aggravating--never mind the reasons why it's happening.

The dissonance with the tender care Kubo wrote Ulquiorra's chapter versus this information being plopped right there on this page just tells me something is really wrong. I can't process it. It's just... wrong."


Cue many, many more pages of fans not taking it well when their shit got Joss'ed. Fun, fun, fun.

There has been some more wank on [info]bleachness about Orihime's latest apparitions, but that one is... not so funny. It involves ableism, so I may throw it into [info]unfunny_fandom instead. ETA: Posted here, check at your own risk.

PS: No one cares about Bleach wank anymore! I know it! I'll comment and whine here to prove it! NO ONE CAAAARES!

Son of an ETA: Isn't UlquiHime sooooooo canon even when he's ded, u gaiz?

Grandchild of an ETA: Ulquiorra's death is confirmed. Hilarity keeps ensuing.



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[info]eleganceliberty
2011-06-04 12:18 am UTC (link)
Bleach wank, it's one of the gifts that keeps on giving!

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[info]schoenschoen
2011-06-04 12:19 am UTC (link)
Judging from the past two weeks and the artbook, and seeing as it shows no signs of letting up anytime soon, I think Kubo is getting ready to unleash the Wankpocalypse on this fandom.

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[info]sarajayechan
2011-06-04 12:27 am UTC (link)
I have a strong feeling he's going to make Ichihime canon. And he's going to pull out all the stops he can to make the bleachness crowd EXPLODE.

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(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2011-06-04 12:34 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-05 07:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sir_hellsing, 2011-06-17 01:27 am UTC

[info]sarajayechan
2011-06-04 12:32 am UTC (link)
Oh Debbie, never stop being batshit crazy.

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[info]kuromitsu
2011-06-04 12:37 am UTC (link)
So OF COURSE, when the new databook comes out and reveals that it was placed in Rukia's gigai some time at the end of the first chapter, things do not go well.

Wait, wait - I thought that was obvious since the end of the Soul Society arc??? I distinctly remember either Aizen or Urahara mentioning it. That's why Urahara chose Rukia of all shinigami, because she was there and she needed a gigai.

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[info]ladyofviolets
2011-06-04 12:40 am UTC (link)
I think Urahara mentioned such stuff once Aizen got unmasked as the mastermind behinmd the whole Soul Society deal, but I'd have to check that up to be sure.

Either way, it's still pretty lolarious to see them up in arms for something that, in the end, isn't that plot-important either way.

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(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-04 12:51 am UTC

[info]schoenschoen
2011-06-04 12:44 am UTC (link)
I thought it was pretty straightforward, too.

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*looks it up*
[info]kuromitsu
2011-06-04 12:46 am UTC (link)
Dunno the manga chapter but in the anime it was in episode 61 (season 2 ep 9).

Wherever did they get the idea that she had had it from the start??

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(no subject) - [info]qem_chibati, 2011-06-04 01:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-04 01:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-04 01:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jerel, 2011-06-05 02:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-05 07:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-05 10:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-05 10:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2011-06-05 03:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-09 09:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2011-06-04 05:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vergilsparda, 2011-06-05 12:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]argylespy, 2011-06-06 10:21 pm UTC

[info]griffithshawk
2011-06-04 12:57 am UTC (link)
I find it hilarious that they are up in arms because it has been revealed that something Aizen said is a lie.

So the statement of a character who pulls words out of his ass to unnerve his opponents every time he opens his mouth should be taken as fact, but when the creator basically states something that proves said lying character lied...it is a retcon? Yeah.

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[info]senor_pinata
2011-06-04 01:17 am UTC (link)
I have to question how widely this "pure soul" thing was really accepted, because I'm a Rukiawife 4-Evah and this is the first time I've heard of it.

Glad to know it was finally clarified. I always figured it was in chapter 1, but Kubo's played merry hell with timelines and logic before so you never know what he'll come up with.

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(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-04 01:24 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2011-06-04 05:10 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]hadesphoenix, 2011-06-04 06:12 pm UTC

[info]riah_chan
2011-06-04 01:24 am UTC (link)
I thought there would be more wank about the pretty Ulquiorra chapter thing... to me, that was the important part. (That, and Puppy-car has a name!) And Harribel's fraccion have cute name! Was there other stuff?

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(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2011-06-04 01:36 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]riah_chan, 2011-08-09 02:29 pm UTC

[info]gabzillaz
2011-06-04 01:46 am UTC (link)
In my mind, Kubo adds more Orihime screentime every time they whine about it. While he is giggling like crazy.

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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2011-06-04 01:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gabzillaz, 2011-06-04 01:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-04 07:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2011-06-04 09:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gabzillaz, 2011-06-05 05:37 am UTC

[info]kitt_in_socks
2011-06-04 02:40 am UTC (link)
Does Bleach fandom have a different definition of "trolling"? Cause seriously, it seems like every time they call Kubo a troll it's just because his plot doesn't go along with their fan theories.

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(no subject) - [info]paladin, 2011-06-04 03:54 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-05 07:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2011-06-04 09:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-04 10:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-04 07:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-04 08:40 pm UTC

[info]the__ivorytower
2011-06-04 05:01 am UTC (link)
What is this?

Aizen lied to people? The person who was presented as a pleasant, mild-mannered, bespectacled Captain who was seemingly murdered in a brutal fashion, but then comes back as a flippy-haired evil mastermind lied about something?!

Well, that's it. /tableflip

(I am so happy I stopped reading Bleach. Not because of this, but because of how little care I can dredge up from Giveafuck Bay about it.)

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[info]duraniedrama
2011-06-04 03:05 pm UTC (link)
Can somebody fill me in on what a "hougyoku" and a "gigai" are so I have a clearer idea about why people are flipping their shit over this?

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Bleach terms crash course! - [info]ladyofviolets, 2011-06-04 03:30 pm UTC
Re: Bleach terms crash course! - [info]duraniedrama, 2011-06-04 03:56 pm UTC
Re: Bleach terms crash course! - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-04 04:30 pm UTC
Re: Bleach terms crash course! - [info]iczer6, 2011-06-04 10:15 pm UTC
I think this is more or less accurate. - [info]chikane, 2011-06-04 03:40 pm UTC
Re: I think this is more or less accurate. - [info]duraniedrama, 2011-06-04 04:03 pm UTC
Re: I think this is more or less accurate. - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-04 05:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2011-06-04 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-04 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-06-05 02:05 am UTC
Re: I think this is more or less accurate. - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-04 07:51 pm UTC
Re: I think this is more or less accurate. - [info]jerel, 2011-06-05 02:42 am UTC
Re: I think this is more or less accurate. - [info]full_metal_ox, 2011-06-09 09:57 pm UTC

[info]uldihaa
2011-06-04 05:51 pm UTC (link)
So, Joss'ed now means retcon? That's good to know! Otherwise I'd have continued to believe that Joss'ed is something that happens to fan-theories while retcons happen to canon! Can you imagine how embarrassed I'd have been if I continued to use the wrong terms!?


So are they trying to do to Joss'ed what's happened to the term Mary Sue (i.e. completely redefine it to the point of meaninglessness)?

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(no subject) - [info]hadesphoenix, 2011-06-04 06:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]uldihaa, 2011-06-04 06:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hadesphoenix, 2011-06-04 06:56 pm UTC

[info]ridureyu
2011-06-04 08:35 pm UTC (link)
So it's kinda like a non-racial version of the Blaise Zabini Affair.

"Oh, no! My personal fanon theory got discredited! I shall now become a supervillain and beat that Spider-Man!"

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(no subject) - [info]paladin, 2011-06-04 09:38 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-05 07:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gintoki, 2011-06-05 09:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2011-06-04 10:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-05 12:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2011-06-05 02:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-05 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2011-06-05 05:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2011-06-07 03:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-05 03:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-05 04:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-05 09:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-05 03:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cyan_aura, 2011-06-05 05:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2011-06-05 06:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-06 01:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2011-06-07 01:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]uldihaa, 2011-06-07 05:24 pm UTC
A tangentially-related thought... - [info]full_metal_ox, 2011-06-09 10:04 pm UTC

[info]dottiness
2011-06-04 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Man, I've only [i]read[/i] to the end of the Soul Society arc and I still thought this was the case. It seemed absolutely obvious to me.

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(no subject) - [info]dottiness, 2011-06-04 09:31 pm UTC

[info]iczer6
2011-06-05 03:32 am UTC (link)
Why is this a big deal? It doesn't seem to affect who Ichigo will end up with, which seems to be what 90% of Bleach wank is about.

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(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-05 03:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2011-06-05 04:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-05 04:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-06-05 05:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2011-06-05 03:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2011-06-05 06:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2011-06-05 06:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]schoenschoen, 2011-06-05 07:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tephra, 2011-06-05 05:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2011-06-06 03:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2011-06-08 12:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-05 07:27 am UTC

[info]bwthree
2011-06-05 04:20 am UTC (link)
...Weren't Wonderweiss and Tousen also referred to as "pure" at some point? How do they factor into this theory?

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(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-05 05:08 am UTC

[info]kuromitsu
2011-06-05 10:13 am UTC (link)
He claims happiness only exists in nothingness. Then he says nothingness exists in you and me. So according to the transitive property, Orihime and him are happy (perhaps together)?

What?

What?? *desperate flail*

orz

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(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-05 10:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-05 12:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-05 12:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-05 05:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-06 01:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2011-06-05 05:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]uldihaa, 2011-06-05 07:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2011-06-06 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2011-06-05 03:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-05 04:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2011-06-06 04:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-06 12:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2011-06-09 04:39 am UTC

[info]veneotaqueen
2011-06-05 04:47 pm UTC (link)
Wait, what? People are flipping out just because a plot device anyone with enough smarts figured out before it was pointed out in plot was explained in smaller but clearer words in the newest artbook, just because they missed it thanks to their lack of comprehensive reading skills and made up for it with an super-speshul theory supporting the incorruptible pure pureness of their favorite character? Or I'm missing something?

There have been ages since I read Bleach (I'm more or less updated thanks to poor Beloved One, who keeps inflicting it on himself weekly and then recaps it to me), and I won't touch the fandom with a ten meter pole, but now I want some AU were the Hougyoku McGuffin that can do whatever Kubo wants today ended up into any other character. Any Other. If only to piss this fanthings.

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(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-05 05:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the__ivorytower, 2011-06-06 04:17 pm UTC

[info]lostsailors
2011-06-06 11:16 am UTC (link)
This fandom. I was going to say, "it has to be something in the water" - but that sounds wrong when you're talking about something named "Bleach."

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I'm late to the party, so I brought this
[info]a_nation_of_you
2011-06-08 04:51 pm UTC (link)
chapter 451 thread at BA it's wanky already.

people are complaining about the color page, which is Orihime hugging Riruka in the middle of the rain... such a girly color page, it's really cute.
Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, it didn't go well with the hardcore ichiruki shippers the true fans and they are blaming Kubo for wasting pages, something he does since the end of HM arc, but it seems like they realized it now.
So if they explode with the donout scene, this could be worse...

links worth reading
http://bleachasylum.com/threads/18467-Bleach-451-Spoilers-and-Discussion?p=2786906&viewfull;=1#post2786906
http://bleachasylum.com/threads/18467-Bleach-451-Spoilers-and-Discussion?p=2786926&viewfull;=1#post2786926
http://bleachasylum.com/threads/18467-Bleach-451-Spoilers-and-Discussion?p=2786931&viewfull;=1#post2786931


Saiyan5ninetail bitching is hilarious.

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Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]a_nation_of_you, 2011-06-08 04:52 pm UTC
Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-08 05:57 pm UTC
Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2011-06-08 08:13 pm UTC
Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]ladyofviolets, 2011-06-08 09:32 pm UTC
Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]ladyofviolets, 2011-06-08 09:27 pm UTC
Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]a_nation_of_you, 2011-06-09 03:26 pm UTC
Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]sarajayechan, 2011-06-09 04:38 am UTC
Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]a_nation_of_you, 2011-06-09 03:18 pm UTC
Re: I'm late to the party, so I brought this - [info]sarajayechan, 2011-06-09 07:20 pm UTC
Ohohoho... - [info]ladyofviolets, 2011-06-09 02:00 pm UTC
Re: Ohohoho... - [info]a_nation_of_you, 2011-06-09 03:23 pm UTC

[info]lainey
2011-06-09 10:06 am UTC (link)
Wow. Some people still think Ulquiorra might come back. Idk, the whole exhausting his life force, being unable to regenerate, and then his body disintegrating pretty much convinced me.

Sadness about Grimmjow, though. ): He was violent and unbalanced, but I liked him anyway.

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