41 responses

  1. Steve H.
    February 13, 2014

    Yes, by all means, turn it off. And then start rolling the guillotines.

    Until there are harsh consequences for the sociopaths who have sold America out, nothing meaningful will happen. Power without accountability is a recipe for tyranny.

    • Monster from the Id
      February 14, 2014

      Yes to the first part, no to the second.

      I turn 51 in May.

      I wasn't a good fighter when I was a young man.

      Save your revolutions until after I die of old age, please.

      • Sam Lowry
        February 14, 2014

        I vote this one both up and down. Revolutions don't have to be violent. All you have to do is stop taking the tyrants seriously, which is, by no coincidence, their greatest fear.

      • Generalissimo X
        February 14, 2014

        c'mon man, grow a set already.

      • Monster from the Id
        February 14, 2014

        I realized at an early age that the macho "virtues" were best left to idiots.

        Oh, and to quote a classic Trek episode: "After all these years of leading the fight, YOU seem very much alive."

        Also, to quote the bitterly learned wisdom of the '60s radicals, "The first guy who suggests violence is always the undercover cop."

      • Generalissimo X
        February 15, 2014

        it's nothing to do with "macho" but with the stark reality that people like you and their "approach" have gotten us exactly where we are: with a totalitarian boot on our neck. i'm not deluding myself about what it's going to take to reverse the present course this police state is on. as for being a cop..yeh, sure i am.

      • Monster from the Id
        February 15, 2014

        OK, if not a cop, then a victim of testosterone intoxication.

        Perhaps I also need to grow a nervous system, for I can't feel any boot on my neck.

        I don't particularly like our government, but you exaggerate its oppressiveness hilariously.

        If our govt. is so oppressive, then why are you still free, and posting on this thread, instead of locked up in some jail somewhere?

      • Bob Rowe2
        February 16, 2014

        "Bitter wisdom"?

        You mean accomplishing absolutely nothing while young men with AK-47s in Vietnam ended the war for us?

      • Monster from the Id
        February 14, 2014

        Besides, I'm just looking out for #1–and isn't that what libertarianism is all about? ;)

    • Sam Lowry
      February 14, 2014

      "Power without accountability is a recipe for tyranny."

      Power is a recipe for tyranny. Accountability is a manufactured illusion.

  2. ronaldm
    February 13, 2014

    While corrupt scumbag Orrin Hatch is still pulling strings in Utah, it's hard to be optimistic.

  3. John V. Walsh
    February 14, 2014

    The assault on the pwogwessives in this superb column is well deserved.
    For example, http://inthesetimes.com/article/15221/in_defense_
    Disgusting.
    But I have heard the same, lame sentiments from other liberals and progressives. Notice that a Nation article is also cited which finds the "real" abuse by the NSA is that too many in its ranks have high level security clearances. In fact the real abuse constituted by the NSA is its very existence and its gross, daily and overwhelming violation of the 4th amendment.
    Unlike the genuine Left, now virtually extinct in the West, these worthies have little understanding of the state – make that no understanding of the state.
    john walsh

  4. richard vajs
    February 14, 2014

    Justin, Remember, you are watching professional wrestling. Bills introduced into legislature are not always introduced because the sponsors expect them to pass – they are introduced to make the rubes think someone cares about their cause. The Republicans are very good at that stunt. Bottom line – the powers that be in Utah are not going to bite the hand bringing in federal funds no matter how sorry the project. This nation will sell itself willingly into slavery.

    • Mike
      February 14, 2014

      Fixed:

      Politicians are very good at that stunt.

    • Bob Rowe2
      February 16, 2014

      It really is unbelievable that Justin seems to think that there is even a remote possibility that some pissant state legislature is going to put a stop to the NSA by turning off their water. Drowning men and straws, I guess..

  5. Surrealistodefierros
    February 14, 2014

    What I would appreciate is some actual estimate of the votes which would be needed in Utah's state legislature to pass this, and how many can actually be assured so that it does. While this article is very well presented, it cannot offer hope if there's no idea of what the prospects actually ARE that this can be made law and acted on. Otherwise it's all just a lot of noise outside the walls, to the NSA.
    And I'd support your great website financially, if only 90% of my income weren't going just to make rent, thanks to the economic recovery.

  6. bozhidar balkas
    February 14, 2014

    so, no regime change in utah or bluffdale. or not enough money to buy not only blluffdale, but entire utah?
    but how about sanctions against utah or bluffdale or blockades of [federal] raliroads, highways, airports, etcetc?

  7. Generalissimo X
    February 14, 2014

    legislation is great, but WHEN that fails what will we do? i say burn it to the ground and start arresting everyone who works there for treason. legislation? c'mon. we have no rule of law whatsoever so what is this going accomplish other than having the feds flip us the bird one more time as they defy the will of the people.

    • Werner
      February 14, 2014

      Mega-doses of sodium flouride in the NSA employees' drinking water until their brains rot and generous portions of saltpeter in their food to render them sexually impotent?

      • Monster from the Id
        February 14, 2014

        Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

      • Strider55
        February 17, 2014

        Their brains are already rotted. Otherwise they wouldn't be NSA agents.

        Good idea on the saltpeter, though. We certainly can't have them reproducing. :-)

    • Monster from the Id
      February 14, 2014

      Hmmm…this guy keeps suggesting violence, yet the State doesn't touch him.

      Do I smell an agent provocateur?

      • Generalissimo X
        February 15, 2014

        know you smell your own rank fear and cowardly stench. plus the putrid odor of your own ignorance to the reality of the situation. if everyone in history adopted your frightened attitude 1776 would have never happened. seriously, if the rule of law actually mattered or was relevant there wouldn't even be an nsa. the 4th amendment to the constitution, remember that thing, explicitly forbids institutions and actions like the nsa.

        so answer this question: if/when the law passes, and the feds roundly ignore it, what is the response of the citizenry?

      • Werner
        February 15, 2014

        Well, as I stated in reply to another article, the proper response of the citizenry is to make government functionaries realize there will be real-world consequences for their actions when said functionaries are abusing their authority (such as police brutality, etc.), acting under color of law/authority or outright ignoring the law. The level of response will escalate according to the severity of the situation, up to the use of lethal force–the 2nd Amendment gives us this right in the face of a tyrannical government.

        Unfortunately, I think things are going to have to become a lot worse before the vast majority of the sheeple wake up actually start resisting in any meaningful way ZOG's tyrannical, unlawful and outright murderous behavior. However when we witness things like the brain-dead lemmings of Boston cheering on the jack-booted thugs last year, I really wonder sometimes.

      • outsider
        February 15, 2014

        "Boston Strong" – gimme a break!

      • Monster from the Id
        February 15, 2014

        "ZOG"

        Neo-Ratzi alert!

      • Monster from the Id
        February 15, 2014

        "1776 would have never happened"

        And slavery would have been abolished in 1834, without a Civil War, for that was when the British Empire abolished it.

        As for the response of the citizenry, this specific citizen is 51 and has no descendants, so if your scenario materializes, why should I not just accept it and wait for the next life? I, specifically, am not afflicted, and what is libertarianism but "Looking Out For #1", as one prominent libertarian entitled one of his books?

        As for courage and cowardice, one human's cowardice is another human's prudence, and one human's courage is another human's folly. You have your opinion, and I have mine, and there is no structure of objectively proven facts to decide between us.

      • Monster from the Id
        February 15, 2014

        Whoops, 50. I turn 51 later this year.

      • Monster from the Id
        February 15, 2014

        While the British Empire was no model of perfect liberty, it was hardly equal to the USSR or Ratzi Germany for oppressiveness. We'd have done all right had we not rebelled. Did Canada, Australia, and New Zealand become totalitarian hellholes?

      • Bob Rowe2
        February 16, 2014

        Get a job, hippy.

      • Monster from the Id
        February 17, 2014

        I had a nice one for about 20 years, then that phenomenon called "outsourcing" of your precious CRAPitalism got it.

  8. outsider
    February 14, 2014

    Those in charge of the Federal Gov't, along with then Gov. Huntsman, are completely brain dead. How else to explain putting this mammoth unneeded spy center, with its need for millions of gallons of water, in an arid state that is mostly desert. An article that Justin alludes to says that the people there have resorted to praying for rain. Utah is one of eleven mostly western states that have been designated as natural disaster areas due to three years of drought. Farmers in the Joaguin Valley in California are unable to get water brought in and their crops are dying. Yet the Feds are hell bent to make sure that they get their water first regardless of the consequences. We truly live in bizarro world.

  9. Mike
    February 14, 2014

    "the "progressive" argument, as enunciated by the Center for American Progress’s Zack Beauchamp, is that this will lead to the reintroduction of slavery, racial segregation"

    *sigh* Could you Left idiots do us a favor and stop trying to say we want segregation and slavery back. That canard is getting REAL old. Is it really such a stretch to accept that we're just tired of tyranny?

  10. eddiebates23
    February 15, 2014

    •Computers collecting and analyzing Internet traffic is just as much "surveillance" as a person peeping through a window
    •Note that human rights law doesn't allow mass, untargeted spying on ordinary, innocent people;
    End mass spying now! Section 215 of the Patriot Act should not be used to collect every single Americans' calling records. And Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act shouldn't be used to "incidentally" or otherwise collect Americans' emails, phone calls, or chats. Protect the privacy rights of our digital communications.
    Securing digital data, one computer at a time… http://www.americansrighttoprivacy.com
    .

  11. Valerianus
    February 16, 2014

    Let's put nullification and interposition into proper perspective. First and foremost, they are defensive tools, and as such are only effective as a State is willing to back them up. The first time a State attempted to nullify a Federal law, Andrew Jackson threatened to mobilize the US Army and invade South Carolina. This ended in a settlement, in which South Carolina merely obtained a watering down of the law it sought to nullify. And this is the dilemma. The States are going to have to be prepared to use armed force to make their nullications and interpositions stick, and I just do not see enough people in State and local governments with enough guts to do that. Except for a small percentage, State and local politicians view their offices merely as stepping stones to Federal office and will not jeopardize that "career path" by any principled opposition to tyranny. And with further regard to armed resistance, what's going to happen if State authorities try to use their respective National Guards to try to stop a full-blown Federal attempt to carry out an objectionable action? The National Guard will, of course, be Federalized to prevent that. Therefore, the National Guard will have to refuse to be Federalized and will have to be prepared to fight. Again, I just do not see that happening. One little observed result of the Guard's heavy usage in the recent foreign wars is that it has been thoroughly seeped in DC's propaganda and is now manned by soldiers who are essentially Federal in their outlook. And then there are the State and local police, who have likewise been Federalized through subsidies of military equipment, homeland security grants, and the recruitment of THOUSANDS of military veterans of recent service in DC's wars who have clearly demonstrated that when Washington says "terrorism," their hands move instinctively to their side arms. This is what we face.

    • Bob Rowe2
      February 16, 2014

      States threatening war against the Federal Government, huh? That worked out great, last time.

  12. oswaldwasaleftist
    February 16, 2014

    Is Obama going to start drone striking these "terrorist" enablers in Utah? The Obamacrat liberals in the media can cast the drone strike victims as opponents of same sex marriage, so it clearly serves them right.

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