Lion of the Blogosphere

Women hate, hate, hate beta males

That’s what the blogger Whiskey always says. An article this weekend at Salon, Amazon is killing my sex life, seems to back up Whiskey’s claim.

The point of this article is that Amazon’s location in Seattle and a big hiring surge has resulted in more beta-male STEM types moving to Seattle. Instead of being happy about the increase in men, the women in Seattle are unhappy about it because they are the wrong kind of men.

“I’ve lived in Seattle for seven years, single most of them,” Annie Pardo, a 31-year-old freelance event and communications consultant in Seattle, wrote in an email. “The only thing that has changed is the increase in men I’d never want to go out on a date with.” She added, “Can’t believe they actually strap on those new employee book bags.

Why were they so awful? What was it about guys who work in tech that made them worse than lawyers or other white-collar industries?

In a way they exhibit some of the same qualities of those professions—ego, arrogance, and unlimited amounts of cash. In San Francisco, said Violet, “There were a lot of men to date with disposable income who wanted to take women out. It’s just, it was so boring,” she said. “My dating life went from dating artists and writers and going on cheap but exciting dates, to men who thought the ability to buy someone an expensive meal made them interesting.”

Women in Seattle have resorted going to gay bars in order to avoid these heterosexual nerdy types. Apparently there aren’t any gay STEM types.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 1, 2014 at 1:10 pm

Posted in Males and Females

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  1. So I’m confused. If a guy is artistic, he isn’t beta? I thought the alpha/beta distinction referred to social dominance rather than one’s hobbies and interests.


    June 2, 2014 at 7:08 am

    • You are probably right that any major voice like Heartiste or etc that when they make a post focusing on what is Alpha/Beta would state that is about social dominance. Or perhaps repeat a in some form that it is a “mindset, not a demographic”. It’s a common post is doing some kind of post where one Lawyer/Bodybuilder/CEO fails meanwhile someone else with the right mindset scores non-stop.

      But sure as hell there’s still make plenty of statements using hobbies and interests continually as beta. More times in the comments, but plenty in posts too. It doesn’t help that some places like Roissy that I can only remember he used a nerd as a successful example once (Starcraft player I recall) while I recall using serial killers much more commonly in those comparison post.

      It does make it really hard to keep interpreting the lesson to be social dominance when you keep reading the same career/hobby/interest used in proxy to beta.


      June 2, 2014 at 9:50 am

      • Alpha is the men who women want to hook up with, marry, etc.

        This description may sound circular, but that demonstrates that when other women are attracted to a man, that creates social proof. The biological basis for this preference is that presumably such men would pass on these alpha genes to male children, so a woman who has children by such a men would have more grandchildren.

      • Lion,

        Look at the television programs and movies women watch like Twilight, Hunger Games and True Blood. Each of these shows are basically about a slightly above-average looking girl who somehow gets love and commitment from men that are way out of her league. Many of these movies illustrate Game principles bu at least showing what kind of behavior you should avoid.


        June 2, 2014 at 11:36 am

      • Alpha, in PUA-land is a man who women want to have sex with even if they can’t get the other things (relationships, provision, good father) they want from a man.


        June 2, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    • Be good looking, interesting and a have big bank account. That’s what you call Alpha.


      June 2, 2014 at 10:06 am

    • it’s interesting all this shaming of our brightest and best here just because some entitled chick says so. that is all.

      Jim Anee

      June 3, 2014 at 12:14 am

  2. Women find writers and poets attractive because it is easy to understand what they do. Their work is is also easy to come into contact with. That’s very different from scientists and engineers except for a small number of them. For example the work of Brin & Page is easy to notice, even though very few women have any idea what the source code behind Google does. Likewise, Albert Einstein is one of few scientists they will at least recognize, because some consequences of his discoveries can be explained to a person of average intelligence.


    June 2, 2014 at 10:25 am

    • The math required to understand what Albert Einstein was doing is an order of magnitude more complicated than understanding how to write computer programs.

      • Actually, the basic concepts of special relativity can be demonstrated using fairly simple algebra (Time dilation, Lorentz contraction, etc). The more advanced ideas in general relativity (spacetime, geometry/curvature of spacetime, singularities, cosmology, quantum gravity, string theory) draw on math that is beyond the general public (especially typical liberal arts major).


        June 2, 2014 at 2:20 pm

      • “Time dilation, Lorentz contraction, etc” – that’s what I meant when I wrote “some consequences.”


        June 2, 2014 at 4:05 pm

  3. The whole female digs alpha/hates betas is largely the overwrought self-fulfilling fantasy of fellas that just aren’t up for the daily grind of potential family life. In my sphere (bar industry for nearly 20 years), the new norm is chicks that dig dudes who drive shotgun, jog with nose firmly in behind, dress slovenly, don’t pay for extracurriculars and overall seem more than willing to be a doormat until disposal. The idea that all chicks desire alphas runs counter to the new norm of the liberated female actually being the “alpha.” Go to anywhere in the “man”-o-sphere and one never actually reads the tear-jerking stories of beta providers being wrongly denied wife, children and family life. Most really want a de facto homo lifestyle that isn’t strictly confined to porn and that which inevitably follows for such a predicament can lead to homicidal madness.


    June 2, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    • That’s not necessarily a contradiction. A woman may initially settle for a whipped husband, but she will not respect him and (remember hypergamy!) she will throw him under the bus, when a more attractive alternative becomes available.


      June 2, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    • you are wrong. women go for the tingles. doesnt matter if you are a rich beta, she will go for the poor alpha jock everytime, while fleecing you.


      June 4, 2014 at 9:16 am

  4. What’s with the comment count? It says 186 but there are about 10.


    June 2, 2014 at 2:38 pm

  5. So much in wanting to be alpha or what lion calls it prole drift:

    Many people want to get rid of their body art. Just love how new industries prop up to feed on people’s idiocy!


    June 2, 2014 at 3:34 pm

  6. I think Camel Case Rob’s description of an alpha is accurate and most useful for analysis purposes. It has more to do with how a guy gets women than whether he can get them. A guy who can sleep with 50 women for free is more alpha than a rich guy who paid 50 hookers for sex.


    June 2, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    • There’s no real reason that should be the deciding criterion. It could also be who has the highest status, the most power, the most physically powerful, the most knowledgeable, etc. In fact all of those measures have been used in different societies. For example in Andean society the shamans had very high social status. To measure status in terms of sexual attraction is actually pretty vulgar. Yes, of course, there is often overlapping between these factors, as those who are high status often get a lot of sex. But then again, Roissy would say that someone who is high status but only gets sex because of his status or money isn’t alpha. Rather it should be because of his personal qualities. Such a values system is highly arbitrary and idiosyncratic, and is highly influenced by modern-day America, which is a sick society to begin with.


      June 2, 2014 at 7:35 pm

  7. Sometimes the best way to define something is to say what it’s not. What is an alpha male? An alpha man is the opposite of a beta male. And what is a beta male? A man who is ashamed of his male sexuality, who is worried about what other people think of him, who is afraid of offending people, who is polite to people just so they like him, who tries hard to fit in because he is afraid to stand out because he is afraid of being laughed at, who doesn’t know his own strengths and is not confident in his abilities, who indulges in his fears and weaknesses, doesn’t push himself to become a better man, who compromises his own dignity in the hopes of getting affection, attention, and companionship. Basically, a beta male is in most cases a pathetic nice guy who is a pushover, a scared boy pretending to be a man — who was never taught how to be a real man.

    To know what beta is, I recommend the excellent book “No More Mr Nice Guy” by Robert Glover. It really helped me get over my beta nice guy tendencies and become a stronger, more courageous, more confident man.


    June 3, 2014 at 5:35 am

  8. I’m sick and tired of this shit.

    I’m tired of thinking about what women want…
    I’m tired of thinking about what women don’t want ..
    I’m tired of thinking about what to say ..
    I’m tired of thinking about what not to say ..
    I’m tired of thinking about what games to play..
    I’m tired of thinking about what women are entitled to ..
    I’m tired of thinking about missed opportunities …

    I’m tired of being tired. I give up. I’m not an Alpha male. I never was. I never will be. I don’t have game. Worst of all I don’t WANT any. Game is fake. I’m not interested. The cost of admission into your vagina is just too high. You expect too much. It’s too much work.

    $200.00 for dinner; to be told I’m uninteresting, unimpressive, unmemorable, and boring, by a 31 YEAR OLD WOMEN.

    It’s time for an ESCORT. Now if only I could convince myself to actually go through with it ..


    June 3, 2014 at 5:33 pm

  9. Whiskey is a clown who believes that all white women have jungle fever.

    Joe Walker

    June 3, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    • I know where he’s coming from and believe me, many guys underestimate the desirability of black men when it comes to White women.

      White women will pay homage to black men who come across as non-stereotypical losers. The same qualities found in Asian men and geeky White men, where women would not give them time of the day. Being black and being a nice guy gives off an attractiveness to women, that other men would simply be written off as “beta”. It actually works better that black men come across as nice guys because of their inherent alphaness and their stereotypical thuggish image.

      The liberal brainwashing that black men are losers because of pervasive White racism and as a result, their pathological hyper-masculinity stemming from such racism makes White women sympathetic of black men, whenever they portray themselves as educated, well groomed and well spoken.

      The Columbia Interracial Dating experiment proved that black men in an Ivy League setting are seen as significantly more attractive by White women than Asian men who get the flak for being over studious losers.

      By the way, Obama’s ex girlfriends were all White.


      June 4, 2014 at 10:07 am

      • Coalburners tend to be trashy and ugly, just like the stereotype. Black men are rarely hardcore alphas or thugs; urban slang has a slew of terms for beta males and their behavior like “simpin’”, “cupcakin’” etc.

        The Dude

        June 10, 2014 at 8:35 pm

  10. @ JS AKA The Black Man who wants a white women.


    Evolved Beta Male

    June 4, 2014 at 5:50 pm

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