I. Never say ‘I Love You’ first
Women want to feel like they have to overcome obstacles to win a man’s heart. They crave the challenge of capturing the interest of a man who has other women competing for his attention, and eventually prevailing over his grudging reluctance to award his committed exclusivity. The man who gives his emotional world away too easily robs women of the satisfaction of earning his love. Though you may be in love with her, don’t say it before she has said it. Show compassionate restraint for her need to struggle toward yin fulfillment. Inspire her to take the leap for you, and she’ll return the favor a thousandfold.
II. Make her jealous
Flirt with other women in front of her. Do not dissuade other women from flirting with you. Women will never admit this but jealousy excites them. The thought of you turning on another woman will arouse her sexually. No girl wants a man that no other woman wants. The partner who harnesses the gale storm of jealousy controls the direction of the relationship.
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.
IV. Don’t play by her rules
If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.
V. Adhere to the golden ratio
Give your woman 2/3 of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold — it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in her personal dramas. Refraining from reciprocating everything she does for you in equal measure instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status. In her deepest loins it is what she truly wants.
VI. Keep her guessing
True to their inscrutable natures, women ask questions they don’t really want direct answers to. Woe be the man who plays it straight — his fate is the suffering of the beta. Evade, tease, obfuscate. She thrives when she has to imagine what you’re thinking about her, and withers when she knows exactly how you feel. A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security. In the same manner, when she has displeased you, punish swiftly, but when she has done you right, reward slowly. Reward her good behavior intermittently and unpredictably and she will never tire of working hard to please you.
VII. Always keep two in the kitty
Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.
VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary
Do not say you’re sorry for every wrong thing you do. It is a posture of submission that no man should reflexively adopt, no matter how alpha he is. Apologizing increases the demand for more apologies. She will come to expect your contrition, like a cat expects its meal at a set time each day. And then your value will lower in her eyes. Instead, if you have done something wrong, you should acknowledge your guilt in a glancing way without resorting to the actual words “I’m sorry.” Pull the Bill Clinton maneuver and say “Mistakes were made” or tell her you “feel bad” about what you did. You are granted two freebie “I’m sorry”s for the life of your relationship; use them wisely.
IX. Connect with her emotions
Set yourself apart from other men and connect with a woman’s emotional landscape. Her mind is an alien world that requires deft navigation to reach your rendevous. Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic. Be playful. Employ all your senses. Describe in lush detail scenarios to set her heart afire. Give your feelings freedom to roam. ROAM. Yes, that is a good word. You’re not on a linear path with her. You are ROAMING all over, taking her on an adventure. In this world, there is no need to finish thoughts or draw conclusions. There is only need to EXPERIENCE. You’re grabbing her hand and running with her down an infinite, labyrinthine alleyway with no end, laughing and letting your fingers glide on the cobblestone walls along the way.
X. Ignore her beauty
The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire. This is one reason why the greatest lotharios drown in more love than they can handle — through positive experiences with so many beautiful women they lose their awe of beauty and, in turn, their powerlessness under its spell. It will help you acquire the right frame of mind to stop using the words hot, cute, gorgeous, or beautiful to describe girls who turn you on. Instead, say to yourself “she’s interesting” or “she might be worth getting to know”. Never compliment a girl on her looks, especially not a girl you aren’t fucking. Turn off that part of your brain that wants to put them on pedestals. Further advanced training to reach this state of unawed Zen transcendence is to sleep with many MANY attractive women (try to avoid sleeping with a lot of ugly women if you don’t want to regress). Soon, a Jedi lover you will be.
XI. Be irrationally self-confident
No matter what your station in life, stride through the world without apology or excuse. It does not matter if objectively you are not the best man a woman can get; what matters is that you think and act like you are. Women have a dog’s instinct for uncovering weakness in men; don’t make it easy for them. Self-confidence, warranted or not, triggers submissive emotional responses in women. Irrational self-confidence will get you more pussy than rational defeatism.
XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses
In the betterment of ourselves as men we attract women into our orbit. To accomplish this gravitational pull as painlessly and efficiently as possible, you must identify your natural talents and shortcomings and parcel your efforts accordingly. If you are a gifted jokester, don’t waste time and energy trying to raise your status in philosophical debate. If you write well but dance poorly, don’t kill yourself trying to expand your manly influence on the dancefloor. Your goal should be to attract women effortlessly, so play to your strengths no matter what they are; there is a groupie for every male endeavor. Except World of Warcraft.
XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little
Touching a woman inappropriately on the first date will get you further with her than not touching her at all. Don’t let a woman’s faux indignation at your boldness sway you; they secretly love it when a man aggressively pursues what he wants and makes his sexual intentions known. You don’t have to be an asshole, but if you have no choice, being an inconsiderate asshole beats being a polite beta, every time.
XIV. Fuck her good
Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.
XV. Maintain your state control
You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips. She will rain and thunder all around you and you will shelter her until her storm passes. She will not drag you into her chaos or uproot you. When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her.
XVI. Never be afraid to lose her
You must not fear. Fear is the love-killer. Fear is the ego-triumph that brings abject loneliness. You will face your fear. You will permit it to pass over and through you. And when your ego-fear is gone you will turn and face your lover, and only your heart will remain. You will walk away from her when she has violated your integrity, and you will let her walk when her heart is closed to you. She who can destroy you, controls you. Don’t give her that power over yourself. Love yourself before you love her.
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The closer you follow the letter of these commandments, the easier you will find and keep real, true unconditional love and happiness in your life.
Best,
Your Lord and King
As a woman I agree with a lot of this. XIV is the most important!
Bollocks… There is just a significant minority of women for whom this may hold true. All that means is that you millions of idiot-guys are all fucking the same few women in a pitiful little cycle, congratulating yourself on your genius and ensuring you never interact with the real world enough to challenge your illusions. The kind of women you can attract by following these ‘commandments’ are just desperate, boring, fucked-up losers (sorry to the woman in the previous comment!) – which is convenient, as your fragile pride couldn’t cope with anyone else. I hope some of you are shaken out of these sad restrictions one day, and experience actually great sex (hint: just doesn’t happen if you don’t connect as people before connecting at the genitals :p)
I’m sorry, their is a certain allure to meeting someone and hitting it off and then having a magical night together. I dont think that you can say there’s a whole separate level of sex for people who have connected emotionally, if there is a serious spark, good logistics and crazy monkey sex it will fucking blow your mind as much as any long term magical night.
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Hmm, I will fuck the same whore then keep my money, my sanity, and my happiness any day. I will die a happy man and have something to leave my son. God it doesn’t get any better than this.
I have to say that I tend to agree with most of these commandments. I’ve been around and had the pleasure of many, many lovely women over the years. And now, well into my 40’s (though look and play much younger), am still getting plenty of positive attention from much younger women, constantly. The older one gets should equate to an increase in wisdom due to obvious life experience, though that is often not the case. However, in my case that is so, and with the wisdom comes humility to. So I would say that you, Shinybead, are either a feminazi, a bed-wetter, or gay. Sorry to judge and get a bit personal, but you have brought it upon yourself…
This is absolutely about connecting as people,we are first and foremost social/sexual beings.
This pretty much outlines my successful relationships with women.Now I know what I did right.
Well if the woman ALSO agree’s, who am I to disagree? Damn this is good stuff. Developing the strong reality and strength of character to pull this off is going to take time, but time well spent me thinks.
to agree with this stuff, is 100% SICKENING! a very sick mentality! disgusting. men disgust me. especially, men with this mentality. RUN FOR THE DOOR women! to hear anything like this coming out of his mouth or mentality! word from the wise: RUN!!!!!
Smells like cats, dildos, and lonely in here…
Lol this is a woman who’s been ran through one too many times
oh look it’s the cat lady! cats are the only ones who will put up with her
why are you even on this site “Lisa R”, how the heck did you get here in the first place? if this was really “sickening”, you would have left the site when you first started reading this material, but you couldn’t leave, because the truth, no matter how ugly to hear, attracted you like a moth to a flame, you just hate the fact that it’s true because it means that you have to be honest with yourself about yourself for probably the first time in your life.
I got on this site by typing random stuff on google that is totaly not about this subject, so the way she got here doesn’t matter. the point is that with this chain of though, you see womans like they were object, I totaly agree with the fact that this kind of mentality is absurb and totaly wrong.
To all undecided Men and Women:
If you aren’t sure how you feel about these 16 commandments, I implore you to look at the female responses from Women that agree, how they construct their points, validate them and weave their personal experiences into them. In short, gauge these Women’s emotional intelligence.
Next, go through the female responses from Women who do not agree that these 16 commandments reflect reality. Look at how they construct their points, what experiences from their life they drawn on, and if they claim to be able to speak for another Women, or possibly the entire female populace. Look at what these Women actually ‘say’ with their words and gauge their emotional intelligence.
After you’ve done that, clear your mind and reflect on your own experiences with the opposite sex. To honest with yourself, no one else will know so what is the harm, just this one time?
A fair, unbiased analysis of the above will firmly root your ass in reality if you’ve done it right, and it shouldn’t take you more than few minutes. Now, if your conclusion is that these commandments to have a rooting in reality, then here is my last thing I want from you today, ready for it?
As a Man, would you want to invest your finite amount of time, money and energy into the group of Women who responded with anger, negativity and bias? What have they shown you about themselves?
“…I implore you to look at the female responses from Women that agree, …”
Word.
And this being the internet, some of those aforementioned female responses might be from actual women. At least 40%, minimum.
I also agree with a lot of this. As a woman.
Lol…just that one seems exiting but almost all these rules apply to certain categories of women as someone said…women with low levels of esteem, vulnerability etc, Boys…u will certainly get fucked up if you follow these with a classy or an elegant woman who actually can be great in be than a slut. If you practice these any eligible woman may say …’Dump That Bastard’ (DTB) think about it !!!
Sorry sweetie, you’re wrong. And Lol … that’s sooo classy, yeah.
Just as applicable to a classy ‘self-righteous’ woman as a sluzza, just gotta tweak your playstyle abit. We’ve figured women out
Nice, some “classy and elegant woman” advice from a post with misspellings and poor grammar. I am dating a girl right now for whom class and elegance seems to be her #1, #2, and #3. And every single rule above rings true.
Dire situation, indeed. You’re panicked enough to not notice that his email address is posted under the “About” page…
just found that and i came back to see if i could delete the comment…
Wasn’t there a long string of comments here before? Did they get deleted?
From the sounds of things, you seem to know women. I have a bit of a dilemma, and I was wondering if there was a way to e-mail you to get your take on my siuation…
(I realize this reply is on another post as well, but this is a bit of a dire situation)
I would add other commandments
XVII- Don’t worry or be afraid of what a broad is thinking:
As a man, one should conquer his ego and be indifferent to what people think of him, be it subjective criticisms or insincere flattery. (the latter being highly addictive for every one wants to be admired). Try to be objective with yourself instead and balance your ego.
Do not waste your time trying to think what she’s thinking and think for yourself instead. Do not let her thoughts or opinions control your emotional state or mood, remain cool, calm and collected. Instead of getting hung up on what she says, observe her actions for they speak louder than words.
XVIII-Don’t be too attached.
Stop trying to control and manipulate the outcome. Control yourself instead, be honest with what you REALLY want and DON’T appologize for being a man. Stop beating around the bush and keep it short, sweet and to the point, it shows balls.
XIX- Don’t talk it personally.
Rejection is not failure, it is win-win for not every girl is made for you and it saves you time and energy. If a women is not interested, let it go and stop chasing her…she might come back on your terms. Don’t be a dictator but don’t be overly accommodating either. Be flexible but remain firm and know where to draw the line as to what behavior you’re willing to tolerate. Failure is failing to be honest with yourself.
XX- Be genuinely Curious about her
Curiosity is being interested. Ask her lots of open ended questions and get her life story. Remember to always read between the lines. Be a good listener but refrain from giving her unsolicited advice, judging her or trying to “fix” her problems or change her behavior, or she will start viewing you as a “brother/friend”. seek first to understand before being understood.
You want to know as much as you can about her and let her know as little as you can about yourself. The more questions she asks you, the more interested and intrigued she is, therefore keep control over the ball and always keep her wanting more.
Honesty should not be confused with confession, do not brag or give unnecessary information and keep your air of mystery. Being too talkative and verbose is not sexy. Less is more so Let her fill the blanks instead.
All sound exactly like my boyfriend. In six years, he has alternating between a soul mate and an ass whole, and we are still together for love. But he sure follows all these commandments like if he wrote them himself. I will have dump the bastard if I didn’t feel his sensitive side. And I do… very often he shows the true man inside him.
Haha… The WOW part is awesome… And Metalhaze–THANK YOU. Guys who yammer on and on and on and on drive me to drink. Although to fair–it’s not an admirable quality in anyone…
ROFL OK i have hear it all now a woman complaing about a many who Yammers on and on and on.
Genius. An excellent list. When is your book coming… I’m bookmarking it now
You will walk away from her when she has violated your integrity, and you will let her walk when her heart is closed to you. She who can destroy you, controls you. Don’t give her that power over yourself. Love yourself before you love her.
“You will walk away from her when she has violated your integrity, and you will let her walk when her heart is closed to you. She who can destroy you, controls you. Don’t give her that power over yourself. Love yourself before you love her.”
I have sent this to countless people that have broke up recently. It really hits home and I love you for it, it has helped me move on and do what I love after a 4 year fiasco.
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Well XIV sounds like a lot of fun–but easier said than done! (Hey! Im a poet!) But this one,X,get inured to her beauty. That sounds a little weird. Isnt the real man the one who has the most appreciation for beauty? When i’m ultra horny,happy and self confident,then women appear soooo beautiful! When I am down in the dumps,theres a felling of,:”Big fookin’ deal! I aint gittin none o’that…” Anyway,#XIII is absolutely great! I will become much more more the toucher;great advice!
Excellent point! I always find women more exciting when I’m high on myself!
“the letter”
excellent.
we may meet someday, but we’ll never know it for certain.
I was wondering like I always have my female under control and I always go in there keeping my eyes on the prize. But it was this one chick and she was super beautiful and everything was going well and she told me a whole lot of good things and use to call and text me everyday all day..And suddenly it stopped. So I started to think that is was another guy but she telling me that she is busy.
But she was making time the first time and telling me that I am the exact type of guy that she wanted. So she basically gamed me..I started believing her..And then I let my feeling get involved..Then she stopped texting and calling..And she would text and call back when she feels like it.
So basically I was in control at first and she ended up getting into control..And now I have not talked to her for 2 weeks now and I texted her 3 times out of that two weeks..So I want to know what can I do to get back in control because to make it worse is I didn’t even fuck her..And I stayed with her but didn’t try..And now I wish I would have tried to fuck her..So what can I do to get back in control…
Dance, puppet, dance!!
Fucken leave man, that shit should be beyond your tolerance level, you are a beta and she is getting fucked very well by another man
Speak that truth!!!
sungirltan:
furthermore alot of cheating isnt really about sex at all. its about attention and support or just uncomplicated interaction.
Let’s get something straight. When women cheat, they do it for reasons that fall into one of two broad categories:
1. Her husband is a high-status alpha male. In this case, she will love fucking his brains out, but will emotionally wilt because of her inability to completely capture his heart, i.e., betaize him. He won’t be giving her the emotional closeness she desires as an indicator of her power over him. In this scenario, a woman will cheat on him with a nice-guy beta type to get her emotional fix.
2. Her husband is a boring beta provider. He loves talking about his feelings and cooing over the baby. He takes care of all their material needs. But he probably has a small dick, doesn’t know how to use it, is not socially dominant and so does not stimulate the more primative parts of her brain. She craves a Real Man(tm). She fucks the pool-boy or her personal trainer. This type of cheating is the more common type, IMO.
Since the justifications for cheating in scenario #1 are seen by society as “acceptable” because “it’s the man’s fault”, women use it as an all-purpose smokescreen to hide the reasons for cheating in scenario #2.
yumm nothing like a good beta to fulfill my “emotional fix” ;)
tupac- totally agree
Hmmm…I noticed that something is missing.
Too bad, since it would have helped to promote the stereotype that fat “ugly” chicks have better personalities, and (outside the U.S. anyway) don’t feel they can afford to be bitches. ;-)
You must not fear. Fear is the love-killer. Fear is the ego-triumph that brings abject loneliness. You will face your fear. You will permit it to pass over and through you.
Good Dune reference, but are you saying that we should approach women as if trying to ride a giant sand worm?
That has got to be the biggest load of crap I have ever read. I’ve had more women than I can count, and have now been in a happy, loving relationship for four years. You rules don’t mean you have “game” – they make you a selfish prick.
Custador
Really? You want to see a better rule? You should check out Leykis 101 by Professor Tom Leykis. I could understand his rules used by assholes and “selfish pricks.” At least he includes cuddling… why would you though? You have to deal with her in the morning. Waste money on breakfast.
Also assholes and selfish pricks get laid more than you do by different women. Considering that you stopped being a player. Good luck with your old bag 10 years down the load, you will be poppin blue pills and conjuring every kinky memory to get a decent wood for the expired girlfriend of urs.
Yes I am an asshole or jerk, call me whatever you like. Personally uber-asshole is best.
*looks at commandments, cries* I hate that I agree with most of it. I do. I really do.
Stupid reality and waking up to it.
Tame the untameable.
I have been enlightened and I will be eternally grateful!
Spectacular. Erudite, comprehensive and humorous in your delivery. I’m going to have to feature your list in my own blog (minus the explanations I’ll refer them here for that).
http://alphadominance.com/
Enjoyed your list here. Very much.
Found it when I came across your blog back when. On Jan. 5th~
Made me wanna write the 16 I did in response to yours~
http://ohsweetgal.blogspot.com/2009/01/sixteen-for-single-gals.html
Keep posting & being all kinds of *you* So refreshingly fun you are. Never change, please & thank you.
So interesting you post and see what you do.
*smiles* :)
How can any of this be done, when US divorce laws are so overwhelmingly lopsided against men? A married man has no choice but to become Beta. as the woman has the power to ruin him any time he wants.
Marriage IS a Beta act. It may not start out that way, but all bu tthe most deft men will be hammered into Beta-dom, as the power of the state is backing her against you.
Men, if you want to have kids of your own or a family, sorry, but this is the wrong country and the wrong era in history for that. This is an era where a man in a developed country is unlikely to die on a battlefield. The price of that is that this is an era where a man with kids and a happy family is an extemely difficult outcome to attain.
Dont get married, use a bag. No issue
“Also assholes and selfish pricks get laid more than you do by different women.”
You men are so clueless. Women like men IN SPITE of the fact that they are “assholes” NOT BECAUSE OF. You men always confuse the two.
Insulting a woman doesn’t turn a man who is a 5 into a 10. In fact any time someone insults me they are usually making their ugly mug even uglier by their negativity.
Agree w/ this too.
“Yes I am an asshole or jerk, call me whatever you like. Personally uber-asshole is best.”
Low-life is more fitting…
I think you should eliminate the need for women all together. It’s just too damn complicated. Take yoga, learn to give yourself a bj and you are set. No more woman problems and no need to have to follow these commandments. You can just get a dog in case you need to kick something around.
right on :D
So this where good game comes to die a quiet death.
I’ve had men try these rules on me and then get angry when I don’t respond in a predictable way (i.e. chase them). This explains it all! I always had a feeling there’s some Game Bible floating around because men all over the U.S. try this stupid stuff.
These rules are great if your goal is to sleep with a large variety of (dumb) women. It also works if you want to sleep with a pretty woman with low self-esteem (jackpot!). But it doesn’t work if you’re looking for a quality woman for long-term. Choose your game wisely.
Btw, guys? Do you think we can’t tell you’re playing games when you interrupt a phone conversation abruptly, promise to call back in a few minutes, don’t call back…and then wait and wait and wait for us to call you back? Keep on waiting, playa. LOL!
Thank you for making his point for him….. these are not “rules to find a good wife” these are “rules for getting poon” nothing more, nothing less.
You sound pretty mad, mission accomplished on his part imo, that move is abit sloppy, but im sure he abandoned ship
“irst Women want to feel like they have to overcome obstacles to win […]”
Yep challange factor.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not game, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not game, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not game, it profiteth me nothing. Game suffereth long, and is kind; game envieth not; game vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Game never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, game, these three; but the greatest of these is game.
–kudos to George Orwell’s forward to Keep the Aspidistra Flying
ah geezus – the ball breaker mmmm
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I’ve had men try these rules on me and then get angry when I don’t respond in a predictable way (i.e. chase them). This explains it all! I always had a feeling there’s some Game Bible floating around because men all over the U.S. try this stupid stuff.
These rules are great if your goal is to sleep with a large variety of (dumb) women. It also works if you want to sleep with a pretty woman with low self-esteem (jackpot!). But it doesn’t work if you’re looking for a quality woman for long-term. Choose your game wisely.
mmmmm….
so yr quality huh ? then come my way doll, i’ve bin looking for you… Now confide a little, if your sooooo hot and juicy as you claim and quality tooo, and a brain (very nice…) how come your number’s not in my book ? and I’d only consider you IF you had nice friends and you could look around you right here, right now and tell me 100 things in your universe invented by a woman, or a little easier 10, or you can have my number if you can tell me one, that’s right one…stuck are we ??? you betcha, so next time don’t be so hard on the guys, coz the YOU don’t get laid either !!! mark – mdaspinall@hotmail.com
um, if i could look at you, well there ya go, one thing created by a woman, damn i wish she’d have used a coat hanger
LOL! infintesimal IQ is more like it. Women are no creators of life. They are, at best, the oven. Ever see an oven getting credit for creating the recipe? Try again dope.
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You men are so clueless. Women like men IN SPITE of the fact that they are “assholes” NOT BECAUSE OF. You men always confuse the two.
Insulting a woman doesn’t turn a man who is a 5 into a 10. In fact any time someone insults me they are usually making their ugly mug even uglier by their negativity.
hahahaha – happen a lot does it ??? i think you miss the point that friends/lovers and stuff DO in fact insult each other, its a sign of trust and an adult viewpoint expressing security. i have a big nose – so i get called big nose . great !!!!
if you mean someone insults your insecurities then GET OVER IT…
If some guy insluts (intentional) you its probably cuz you kicked him in the balls and you got a knee-jerk. stop whinging woman and get f******..life’s too short for whining and griping..
the male rebuff at being rebuffed himself is legendary :
guy : yr place or mine
girl : you go to yr place i’ll go to mine
guy : 2 be honest i dont give a f*** where ya go, after i’ve sha**ed you in the back of mi car…
get it now ???
mdaspinall
Wrong, I get lots of sex with my bad boy online dating profile,. the nice guy profile was a waste of time.
lol….I read the commandments and think, will men and women ever be able to overthrow their genetic imperative? I don’t disagree with them (the commandments) but certainly don’t think they are what we should aspire to (again, no moral judgement/disagreemnet is implied in my comment, especially since the biology they are based on is amoral in the first place). I just want to go beyond what my genes “tell” me to do.
That being said, in the sack I want nothing more than good old fashioned submission and domination – I like playing out those ancestral behaviors because they have, after all, evolved to be pleasurable :)
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Indeed, these commandments certainly seem to inflict a type of slavery upon all participants (wittingly or otherwise). We should aspire to greater things, having such large frontal lobes is our distinct biological advantage in consciously shaping our own evolution. While there is truth within the text, it is really only a map of the primitive and archaic psychological structure of people, prevalent even now in the so-called “contemporary society”.
Sexual intercourse is a physical and emotional playground, in part, and these designs are functional and even desirable; but human relations need not be so deceptive and manipulative. Two people ought to seek a type of honesty with one another that transcends the need for such games.
I fear that the inexperienced or downtrodden will greatly misinterpret these commandments. I hope the remember this, if nothing else: The greatest of all pairings, a coupling, involves two aware and complimentary beings, consciously involved in a consistent act of empathy toward one another.
[heartiste: did a unicorn just fart a double rainbow all the way?]
What moron is going to follow most of these? This is a great guide for a losing a woman as quick as possible or getting the worst kind. And half of them contradict the others.
“ebz202″
Who cares, they work, they get results…
lol…its fear is the mind killer actually
As a man presently in a menage a trois, I’d say you got about 2/3rd’s of it right. I guess that’s your mission.
I’m a beta, and so none of this comes naturally. I am realizing that, as a natural beta, I have a strong inclination to commit cardinal sins by the standards of these rules. (e.g. a penchant for apologizing profusely, and a tendency to reveal neediness… NOT good.) I am going to print them out and rehearse them regularly.
Is it not playing by her rules, state control, both, or something else to tell her, when she starts to talk about an old boyfriend, to shut up?
Okay, I think you’re just getting these out of Stuff Magazine, now. All of this shit sounds annoying, and I don’t know a single woman who’d really fall for this shit.
Independence and mutual support are more important than control. Bleh. Power games. Fuck that noise.
Bro you got to help me with one of my beta friends.
The situation could not be worse in his case either. Nick is a humorous smart guy who plays for our football team (Yeah, he should be set right?) But he has this mind frame that is messing with any potential game.
He says he loves this chick, and has for about a year or two. When i heard this, i asked him if he made any prior actions to get with her.
I was given the most beta explanation in the world: ” Oh yeah we text each other sometimes and i totally help her out with all her problems. And sometimes we talk during our lunch breaks when her friends don’t sit by her.”
I wanted to give up, right then and there. There is no WAY this guy is going to get with this girl with that attitude.
To see what he was talking about, i met this girl. She’s a short Latina with a cute face, and is nicer than most people. She isn’t the most intellectual person in the world, but hey, if she has looks she’s set.
If you haven’t guessed, I’m a sophomore in high school, and so far have had 9 sex closes. Anyways, i can tell she has a high social status with the upperclassmen and freshman.
Now Nick has some social status too with him being a varsity football player next year, but has yet to kiss a girl!
Worse, everyone knows it. I just don’t understand how you can have all the right qualities status wise and be a virgin.
He isn’t the most stylish or handsome guy, but i have seen guys worse off getting laid every weekend. I did give Nick some advice, but never a full on game plan on what he has to change to get with her.
I by this time have gotten myself determined to help my friend end his weekly visits with Rosy Palm and her 5 sisters.
If you got the time, e-mail me if you think you have a solution or need some more info.
“you betcha, so next time don’t be so hard on the guys, coz the YOU don’t get laid either !!! mark – mdaspinall@hotmail.com”
You think it’s hard for ANY woman to get laid? Oh you poor deluded fool. I could get laid by a hot of my choosing in 5 minutes. As a matter of fact, it’s so easy for women to get laid, that’s why men are so angry about the alleged power imbalance in a relationship. We have what you all want…and you have to share stupid rules like this with each other in order to get…what do you call it? Laid.
But this is where we flip the shit see, pay attention. You women are after emotional connection and fulfillment, and everybody knows men are better managers of emotion. We control the emotions, we control the pussy. Women can fake orgasms, men can fake a whole relationship
Geezus what is a top notch woman and what does she offer>
[…] […]
A top notch woman isn’t just defined by her brains.
She is defined by her heart, her character, her soul.
Even the few men, like myself, who care about a woman’s intellect (I find it difficult to hang out with dummies), find it second to something in her soul and character.
The sarcastic, caustic, quick witted types don’t understand the fundamentally different way in which most men see the world, over most women.
Most of those types are just covering up their hearts anyway. Self defense mechanisms. This is understood, but it is a turn off.
An intelligent woman who is a good conversationalist but otherwise a bit of a bitch doesn’t interest me as much, beyond a casual carnal connection, perhaps even a grudge fuck, but I have less attraction to her, than a girl who is less bright but has a heart of gold.
Character matters, it trumps brains, and for some men can even trump looks (within limits, of course).
I would choose plainer girls with a demonstrably endearing heart of gold, over some hotter girls who may have been stimulating conversationalists but were really lacking in the character department.
This is within limits, there is an upper limit of hotness that I’d simply ignore a woman’s shit for. But the older I get the more these limits drift downward. And strangely the less a woman’s hotness impresses me. Your cute 6, or 7 types, or 8 types, please impress me with something other than your blazing intellect or sarcastic banter.
Now a very pretty girl, with a sincere and good heart, who is also intelligent and witty, though not to the point of boorishness, is a keeper in my book.
And more rare than 4 leaf clovers.
The tragedy of our generation is that men and women alike have been conditioned by society to misunderstand each other’s priorities.
Heart can trump brains, Hell Good looks can trump brains, though good looks with brains is prefered.
Heart and good looks, compete and joust. At the end of the day, I would probably take a plain jane (though fit, important provision, plain but fit) with a sweet and golden heart, over Stripper hot, but with a caustic acidic heart. most strippers aren’t that hot anyway without makeup, and models? The few I’ve known are simply just unusually pretty without makeup, but not so remarkable that I’d abandon my principles for. So a girl really has to bring something else to the table.
It bears mentioning for the record that deep inside every woman is some beautiful core of a heart, often locked up under years of wounds, defense mechanisms, scars, and heartbreaks. Someone who interests me enough I may be inclined to nurse a broken wing or two, it is nice to nurse somethings sad and broken and help bring out its inner beauty.
But no Capt. Save a Ho, no way, not at this stage of my life. If the pretty bird with a broken wing snaps with her beak, out she goes. Someone else’s problem.
The essence of a good heart is openness, compassion, and love. Someone who can’t be open and risk vulnerability for greater love, I have little interest in.
Plenty of fish.
“They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out.”
I cannot believe you typed out this entire sentence without realizing what a horrible person you are. Please leave Earth.
its real talk that why it hurts so much to read
“II. Make her jealous
Flirt with other women in front of her. Do not dissuade other women from flirting with you. Women will never admit this but jealousy excites them. The thought of you turning on another woman will arouse her sexually. No girl wants a man that no other woman wants. The partner who harnesses the gale storm of jealousy controls the direction of the relationship.”
yikes.. if a guy I was with openly flirted with other women in front of me, it wouldleave me cold. No girl wants a man that no other woman wants, that may be true, but I’d prefer a guy who doesn’t feel like he has to prove how desirable he is by flirting with any random chick who passes by.
I guess it all comes down to how secure he feels. If you need reassurance that you are worthy of female attention, then by all means flirt with other women, but know that you’re acting like a douche. If you inherently know you’re worthy of female attention, you won’t need to flirt with other women.
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Fucking genius.
(New to your blogs, but I like what I’ve read, and I will read more)
Although, I must say that I once saved a relationship by admitting I was afraid of loosing her.
That relationship doubled it’s time from that point and continues today.
They should have put this in the Bible.
jesus….lol i have just been through this with my ex boyfriend….i think the reason this shit works, is because beautiful women do not like to be rejected, we are so used to having all the power, that we stick around to try and figure out what the hell the problem is! But the Sex thing is what kept me around, if he wasnt so damn good at it, i would have left a long long time ago! lol but now i know that he was definatly living by these commandments!
Mind games won’t get you far with me and I am good at spotting them. I can see those little wheels turning when someone is trying to manipulate me. Whatever happened to fucking honesty and open communication?
Can’t identify with this list, and can’t find anything about my husband on it either. Thankfully.
um that shit doesnt work and only the good guys do this and end up with nothing so everyones is trying to change to this and why because girls love it it may be wrong but what the hell does it matter if you cant get a girl
See bonnie now that is where you would lose a point on the market test for woman for swearing.
Whoops
I enjoyed the Dune reference.
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This is pretty stupid, and kind of sounds like a lot of work. How do you relax if you are always worrying about manipulating the situation and following rules? My advice to men. Be the guy you would want to date if you were the girl you want to be with. Genuine awesomeness and the confidence that comes with it is a turn on. If you are depending on rules like this to “cheat” your way into a relationship, it probably isn’t going to get you far.
The funny things is, women here that are bitching about the rules, doesn’t understand that they exist because of their own fault. Because the “quality women” doesn’t exist in large numbers and they are giving “love”, sex and care almost for free to bad boys and assholes.
So, If men keep being betas, too nice, they will die alone because the truth is women like bad boys, like high status high testosterone men and if men don’t follow these things with women they will die alone and with no sex because the quality women are just 5% of population and the 95% are promiscuous, bitches, stupid, gold diggers, emotionally disturbed people.
So there’s no where else to go and CH did a great job saving men of being slaves of a society where 20% of men get 80% of women
My website silviokoerich.blogpost.com is the first anti-feminist blog in portuguese and the truth is, women worldwide are the same. Here in Brazil, they go too for the alpha, bad boys, rich men. If we stay being nice and how you SAY a man should be, we die alone.
So you can bitch and shame us, but it’s women’s fault. If women cared and went for nice betas, there wouldn’t be a single men complaining or doing theses lists
You just got owned by me
> the 95% are promiscuous, bitches, stupid, gold diggers, emotionally disturbed people.
Why do they have to be SO fun and enjoyable?
Holy shit dude wtf is up with that pic of anorexic chic on your site. I thought I knew anorexic chic that is insane.
What are the divorce rules in portugal?
Never been to your Blog before: it was referred to me. On reading this thread, however, couldn’t help but notice that most of the females that are critical of the points you enumerated are exactly the type I have found less than desirable. Because, I suspect, they believe that these represent some kind of “mind game.” They just don’t get it. It’s simply a way of thinking that is natural to some men.
Men who are uncomfortable with it should probably not try to emulate it, because they will unconsciously cherry-pick their actions to be consistent with what they are comfortable with, and that lack of consistency will be evident.
If I were to pick one “commandment” that I am less than happy with, it would be the second (Make her jealous). There are destructive aspects of that. I have never deliberately made any woman jealous, because the so-called “leverage” that that might provide is often offset by preconceived associated traits that would create a lack of confidence. Dominance is natural, and its positive perception (to most women) is that it transmits strength, and part of that strength is an anciently-admired aspect called “strength of character.” If you are comfortable with the other “commandments,” you will have so much female attention that you will never have to worry about deliberately making any of them jealous…
Gunslingergregi
Hey man, i’m from Brazil. Divorce laws are bad here too.
That photo is very disgusting isn’t it.
Cheers to the american friends.
Bottom line: Brad Pitt could act like the biggest beta dousche to girls, and he would still be able to sleep with whoever he wants. Point? These rules are for for men who have to scheme and can’t get quality girls naturally. She knows if she would sleep with you within 5 seconds, everyone knows that, and you can’t do anything about it.
God this is pathetic
so, you’re a beta type in monogamous relationship, but yearn for all the alpha perks???
http://www.takeninhand.com/ and take the tour
LMAO! Wow could you be any more useless to society?
I was wondering where I read all this before. It was during a storm of controversy that surrounded a book called “The Rules.” In a nutshell this book said basically the trick is to keep someone off-balance and if you can do that you own their ass.
It was written by two obnoxious females — FOR females. LOL
Yikes. If anyone ever needs a guide for how NOT to date women, I will direct then here because most of these “rules” are terrible advice. In my eyes, any man behaves like the “ideal” according to this list will come off as a creepy, arrogant asshole. That’s really too bad, because those men are probably, by and large, decent guys who are just trying far too hard.
Women aren’t a monolithic alien entity. I’d suggest replacing this overwrought list of commandments with this:
1. Treat us like human beings.
Silvio Koerich, re. these rules existing because they are “[women’s] own fault,” I argue that there are no rules in love. There are just individuals who operate according to their changeable needs and desires. I’m not in love with a “bad boy,” and I’m certainly not a gold digger because I’m dating a college student. I don’t know about Brazil, but in this country, if you’re in college, you’re poor by default. I’m certain there are plenty of women who would date you if you treated them decently, but most of the “commandments” on this list are absolutely godawful advice. If you behave like this toward women, I’m not surprised if you’re being rejected. Just saying…
Love,
A woman
The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon?
Sad. Just sad.
This is a pile of bullshit.
if you guys start seeing women as people, it would solve a lot of problems.
if you follow these “rules,” we’re going to treat you like the dick you are: fuck you, use you, and leave you for the next girl bored enough to entertain your pathetic gaming.
[editor: and the downside to this is…?]
every girl sees through it.
u gotta make sure your not genuinely attached 2 her otherwise u might care about her for real, just pretend you like her as a human being otherwise you’ll b wasting your time doing stupid crap like giving a fuck about other ppl!
So, what should a guy do when a Woman is aware of all these games he’s playing but she just really wants to fuck, too? Why would a guy tell a girl that is content with fucking him that he loves her? Then, what should he do when she finds him on a porn site where he states he likes “both” ( men and women), tells him to better hide his screen name, but then she never mentions the fact he is a closet bi-sexual?
And why would he pick a crazy one to play games with?
I just… I could fuck him over so bad. He did it to me without thinking twice. Totally humiliated me. I know that guys like you pick girls like me because it’s easy. But where is the challenge or game in that? And also because I WON’T actually humiliate anyone. It’s not in my nature. At what point does it just become cruelty? Now, I am obsessed with the fact that someone purposely hurt me. It’s a patience thing I guess,why this guy stopped talking to me I mean. But I can be just as patient and persistent that I am not a piece of trash to be swept under a rug… it’s just in a different way. Does it really take all the fun out of it when a girl catches you in all your tricks, even if she still gets spun up in your web? I just don’t get why you do it.
Yeah, I guess you should post one more commandment that says “Don’t fuck with a Bi-Polar single mother who’s been alone for two years and has ADD, anxiety disorder, who punched a police officer in the head last time she was arrested, and will email pictures of your cock she found on a porn site to all your loved ones with a note explaining that you a big homo and a sociopath… even if she seems easily exploitable”
lol dumb bitch are you really a dumb bitch? Bitch I can believe but the dumb I have my doubts.
But woman are contantly getting revenge like almost all of them in divorce court. They get revenge on the guy for making their life easy and taking care of them all those years. Really payback time then.
I have never asked for anything from a guy. I didn’t even attempt to ruin my Baby’s Daddy’s life, even though I TOTALLY could. He got married while I was pregnant, and got his original Baby Mama knocked up again… long story short, she doesn’t know about me or my daughter. He’s never even seen her, and I have never asked for anything. I don’t think all women are out to screw people over.
This other guy I’m talking about though, just never responded to any of my questions, there for gave me no secure grounds for a reaction. This led me to question my own sanity and really screwed up my whole little world. Unfortunately I realize that this is just another part of his game. Well, I can’t stop thinking about it because I never got the chance to process it or deal with it. I knew he was full of shit, and called him on it. Do you think that made it more of a challenge? I’m just saying… Don’t fuck with the unstable.
Love is some powerful stuff, man. Lovesick people are capable of crazy things. It actually changes the chemistry in your brain, you know? My Father was so terrible to my Step Mother that she killed herself. She’s dead. It happened like 16 years ago. He’ll never forgive himself for it.
“Women aren’t a monolithic alien entity”
BLASPHEMY!! Oh, you have no -idea- how many points that cost you. I bet your nose-eyebrow ratio is below the mean, too. D’you have any standard deviations? Non standard? What’s the average rainfall in the Amazon Basin? Wat R U Waring?
What a load of bullshit alpha male crap.
First, notice that NOT all woman are made the same, it’s a wide generalization that serves no purposes but that of reassuring you that once you know the “secret” about a women, you know them all. Sure, as if knowing a car implied you know all cars , you know it for a fact it’s not true.
1. Never say I love you first
Right, what are you, afraid of expressing emotions? What’s even remotely wrong with that? If you fancy being the so called “alpha” , why are you afraid of YOUR emotions ? Possibily because you know that once you told her your truth, she’ll be in control of your whole emotional world by some magic spell you have just said? Not even Harry Potter contains so much bullshit magic.
II. Make her jealous
Sure, flirt with others if you like. But take responsability of the consequences, as they will come hard and fast except when you are dealing with an extremely insecure person that craves your attention so much her head is up your ass she can barely breathe. Don’t cry when she find somebody else that doesn’t make her feel out of control and dumps you, don’t cry when she constantly harrasses you because she is MAD jealous about you turning your life in an eternal cat fight.
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
What, you are on a mission from god ? Well then follow your delusion and leave the rest of us alone please as we have others things to do than entertaining your unachievable aims. Indeed many woman do like to follow a dominant figure, confident man, but dominant to a woman is what a woman thinks is dominant , not a whiplash slave master for sure (nobody likes that kind of an asshole), not what some man may think dominant is.
V. Adhere to the golden ratio
That’s good if you want to build the parthenon, but it’s otherwise useless. But let’s make thing easier for the tick bricks: what do you think when a person doesn’t call you back and plays hard to get? That he/she is not interested enough. That’s it, why does it hurt you so much?
VI. Keep her guessing
Acting misterious is not the same as being genuinely intriguing and then again what is intriguing to somebody isn’t to somebody else. Study, read, learn, do something original, don’t be superficial. If you can do that, then becoming interesting is automatic, as few really can do that or have the resolve needed to endure for more then a few days.
VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary
Which means, when you _really_ feel you have done something wrong to her/him, not just pretending to be sorry in order to defuse. It’s a lot better to be honest and even risk looking foolish than being know as a liar.
VII. Always keep two in the kitty
Pretending that you will not suffer if a breakup occours because you have an infinite number of others womans/man avaiable just betrays that you are scared shitless of being dumped. It’s pretending and it shows, otherwise why should you be always suggesting you have other options?
Enough talk. Does anyone have any dating success stories to tell?
There are many women who agree with the rules on this post – and a fair amount of ladies who gave a well articulated disagreement to the rules of poon; However, there are also a few who replied with heated anger, which will only intensify his opinion (stated in rule IV) that women are tempest filled creatures ruled by their emotions.
Am I supporting this stereotype? Absolutely not! I simply am saying that if you disagree with his opinion, don’t reply in a way that fulfills it. He’s not going to respond to emotional outrage. Lets try logic.
With that said, let me add in my 2 cents about the rules of poon from the experience of a “nascent alpha female” (According to the results I received on your test). As a ‘7’ on the dating scale, I’m attractive, so I have witnessed many a man’s “game.” Yet I’m not a super alpha, therefore I myself still need to have some “game” at my own disposal.
I’m not going to comment on every rule btw, just the ones that I feel a need to discuss.
II. Make her jealous
This rule is probably the least helpful.
Example: One of my close friends is a super-alpha and she has a considerate and kind personality. (And no, I’m not just saying she’s an alpha because she is my friend, she is the prototypical attractive female with feminine features, lithe-but still has B sized breasts, curvy legs, smooth complexion, etc.) A veritable gold mine in the dating world! She went on a date with a male who ended up making out with her roommate right in front of her. She ended up sneaking out and never speaking to the guy again.
With that random anecdote aside, while a female might find it slightly arousing for other women to think her man is hot, most women would be insulted if their man, in turn, openly flirted with the other ladies.
In short. Men, be flattered when other women flirt with you, but graciously refuse their attentions instead of jumping upon them like a man with no control.
If you say that women like a man with a sense of “control.” A man who isn’t controlled entirely by impulse can and should refuse the attentions of others, in the process of wooing his date.
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
I actually agree with this to an extent.
Does this mean treating your woman like the wallpaper or white noise of your life? No. Should she be the theme song then? No.
Your mate, (male or female), is the passenger alongside you on this crazy journey that is life. You ride together, learn together, grow together, and perhaps even grow old together. But if you stare at your mate the entire time you are trying to drive somewhere, you are going to crash.
People are attracted to other people who have meaningful and event filled lives, as well as a since of purpose. If you love to play guitar for example, don’t abandon playing music completely because your partner exclaims that you’re not “spending enough time with them!” Do you ignore your partner completely for the sake of guitar? No! Managing the time and energy you spend on a romantic/sexual partner is similar to juggling the time and energy you exert on a job/family relationships/and friendships. Harmony and balance are the keys to a peaceful life. If you are with a partner that demands you spend all of your free time on “their emotional needs,” well – to be frank – dump their ass. Someone who truly cares about you will care enough to value your “mission” whether it be curing cancer or leveling up your World of Warcraft character – so long as you take your partner along for the ride- and enjoy your partner’s mission alongside your own.
IV. Don’t play by her rules
Yes and No. We are viewing relationships here in black and white terms, where either the male is dominant or the female is dominant.
I say that there should be an attempt at balance between both. Obviously a female is going to be turned off by a male that sycophantically molds to her every desire like a used tampon. I can’t speak for all males, but I know several males who feel the same way about females. Human beings want to be in a relationship with other humans, not a “Yes” machine.
Women value men with character, a unique set of values, and personality quirks. If a man flushes these treasures down the toilet for the sake of another person’s whims, he is no better than a department store mannequin.
A relationship is about figuring out what sacrifices are worth making for another person’s happiness and what aren’t; there is no binary “yes” and “no” answer to this issue. If you are not willing to sacrifice a single thing for your mate, the longevity of the relationship will decrease. Don’t sacrifice too little and don’t sacrifice too much. Sacrifice enough to keep her grateful, but not bored.
VII. Always keep two in the kitty
“Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone.”
Having a replacement woman available is like telling your kid that you can buy them a new dog after their beloved childhood pet has just been run over. “It’s not the same!”
If you truly love a woman enough to feel emotionally gutted after she leaves you, having some random person on standby won’t fill up the romantic void in your soul.
Another person can’t mimic or replace the emotional connection you had in a prior relationship.
This strategy seems like it could only work if the two women involved are merely friends with benefits, not romantic partners.
Having a second woman around threatening your marriage is more of a liability than a safety net. More often than not, people usually find out about these secret affairs. Infidelity, statistically, is actually one of the highest causes for divorce in America.
X. Ignore her beauty
Yes, I agree. Compliment a beautiful girl on her personality, not her looks. Many hot girls feel insecure about their personalities because men notice their appearance first, which isn’t a bad thing, but it is difficult for appearance not to stand when someone has high caliber looks. Be different and suggest that she’s smart, intriguing, kind, or fun to be around.
XIV. Fuck her good
Hell to the Yes!
XV. Maintain your state control
I would agree with this had it not assumed that women are crying, manipulative, messes. From my own experience, I have been dating/living with a guy for two years and he has only seen me cry once, and that was for a matter that wasn’t even related to our relationship.
If anyone would try to manipulate you by a crying emotional mess on a regular basis, they are unstable – weak – and probably in need of some help.
That is, unless you’re the one making them cry. Be assertive but don’t be abusive. Chicks like dicks, not assholes. A dick fucks a pussy good, but an asshole is just a pussy full of shit (Yeah, I know, I ripped that from Team America: World Police) Stay strong to your core values, but don’t belittle her own values or threaten her with abuse/violence to get your way. That’s even weaker than being a emotional wreck.
XVI. Never be afraid to lose her
I agree. Act with compassion, not fear. Trust is the rock of a relationship.
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~ Best wishes to those seeking love, I hope you find it.
betti:
mixed bag you’ve got there. i will address the points on which you are wrong.
re (II)
you do know that “flirting” doesn’t consist of making out with other women, do you not?
Men, be flattered when other women flirt with you, but graciously refuse their attentions instead of jumping upon them like a man with no control.
typical postmodern bitch nonsense.
flirtation is an art, a social lubricant, which, once upon a time, graced male-female interactions throughout the whole cross section of life.
thanks to attitudes like yours, flirtation has virtually disappeared from the west, unless it’s, shall we say, goal-oriented.
this is to be lamented.
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re (III)
you were doing so well, until the last line.
a man is happiest when his mission is his #1 priority, and his woman is there for the ride.
a woman is happiest when her man is her #1 priority, and her mission is there on the side.
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re (VII)
Having a second woman around threatening your marriage
once upon a time, women had the sense to realize that the occasional mistress was, and is, NOT a threat to men’s commitment to their wives.
instead, the mistress will often stoke the man’s fires in such a way that he’ll bring some extra heat home to the missus.
with the disappearance of the commonsense notion that women are not men, has arisen the laughable notion that male infidelity is just as harmful as women’s.
hint: it’s not.
This is all confirmation of what most grown men know in their heart of hearts to be true.
It’s just a shame that for so many American women it takes 3 failed marriages over 15 years to figure out “what they really want” because they have been so completely railroaded by feminism and post modern BS.
By then, after all the train wreck relationships, financially ruined fathers and husbands, single motherhood-whoredom for a number of years — they end up as bitter dried up hags nobody wants.
The protestations from elpa and Betti are mere confirmation of everything here, along with overstating the obvious and other non-points.
Quite entertaining. Proof positive that women really do think (mostly) with their emotions.
Tell me Zacky4, how have the sixteen commandments of poon worked for you?
I don’t know about Zacky4, but ideas like the ones in this article have worked very well for me.
IX down is pretty good advice.
Except for the one about being too bold…that’s not going to work for all girls.
Anything above IX might get you shot. Everything doesn’t work for everybody. While one guy might be able to pull the entire list off, another guy will try it with his girlfriend and get ripped to bloody shreds.
IX and down is pretty safe though.
Good luck with your old bag 10 years down the load, you will be poppin blue pills and conjuring every kinky memory to get a decent wood for the expired girlfriend of urs.
And 10 years from now, most of the “Game” cultists will still be alone and bitter and with nothing to live for except their next orgasm, the money they would have spent on a wife having been spent instead on Valtrex and cocaine. Another 5 or so years after that and even the Girls Gone Wild rejects they were so used to “peacocking” will no longer be willing to scrounge for dick beneath a middle-aged mangut. No way to know just when they’ll die, but you can be sure that 1 day later no one on Earth will ever know that they had lived.
Most people learn quickly in life that the “prom queen” douchebags from high school end up being the saddest and most far-fallen, since their life peaked the soonest. It’s a perversion of the natural order for a bunch of hipster douchebags to try to re-create those conditions. It’s like a diaper fetish–people find immature escapism to be TEH KEWL.
It’s telling that one of the “testimonials” for this fad earlier in this thread was a high school sophomore posting about how the techniques listed here got him laid. Congrats to him an’ all, but I’d say what really got him laid was that he was legally allowed and HIGHLY technologically empowered (texting, Facebook etc.) to fuck dumb 14-year-old girls.
OHHHH I get it. This is a joke. Okay. And you’re not really a good comedian. Sorry.
Cold shower, you are full of shit. A long term relationship needs similar things, although less extreme than these commandments. These things will make BOTH parties happier and if you don’t understand this you have never been in a good relationship.
The protestations from elpa and Betti are mere confirmation of everything here, along with overstating the obvious and other non-points.
Quite entertaining. Proof positive that women really do think (mostly) with their emotions.
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That’s all the argument you can give? Evidently so, it’s so easy to quit and say “ok, you are all wrong and that proves me right”. But that only proves that you can’t argument. Facing your own misconceptions and errors requires uncommon streght, while it’s a lot easier to believe whaterver the next Bullshit Messia says you, it doesn’t require critical thinking, let alone self critical thinking, thats one of the reasons for religions being so successful in indoctrination.
master of conception
PUAs wouldn’t know what a good relationship is even if God himself descended from the heavens and explained it to them.
Actually He did. Song of Solomon
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elpa:
You’re obviously a little fumed–Zacky4 was pretty spot on.
We all know how big-time important *your* thoughts and ideas are, but MEN are speaking.
you know who:
Better to have had one hundred short, passionate relationships than one long, ultimately pointless relationship.
Any intelligent person with some game in reserve should know that.
It’s worth getting hurt in a relationship, it’s a necessary evil..if you want to find someone that you do work out with that didn’t end up being a pointless relationship. Or you can have a lot of short pointless relationships. But I guess if you’re feelings got hurt bad enough by someone then you would think the short stuff is better.
It’s not a matter of intelligence, it’s a matter of preference.
Commandment VI is the love-killer. Faithful execution of Commandment VI is the ego-triumph that brings abject loneliness. You will face an opportunity to build trust. You will permit it to pass over and through you. And when trust is gone, only your paranoid fear of healthy adult relationships will remain. And sex with stupid chicks. You will still have lots of that.
The other commandments are pretty good too.
i think you hate real women so much because they have what you want (bot only on a physical level) and you don’t want to have to deal with them as people. this is classic male chauvinism born of male fear of women. if you really dislike women -and it certainly appears that many men -and the traditional women here too-who’ve commented do – why not do the Plato thing? the word Platonic originally referred to intellectual and sexual relationships between men – not “romantic” relationships. Plato believed that women were inferior and that a true relationship could only exist among equals -men. women were there for reproduction only (don’t know about the domestic thing) why don’t you just fuck each other if you’re so in love with men as superior beings?
What the hell is a “real” woman? Right, he’s AFRAID of women. How does that argument make any sense?
Nobody cares about Plato.
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“i think you hate real women so much because they have what you want (bot only on a physical level) and you don’t want to have to deal with them as people. this is classic male chauvinism born of male fear of women. if you really dislike women -and it certainly appears that many men -and the traditional women here too-who’ve commented do – why not do the Plato thing? the word Platonic originally referred to intellectual and sexual relationships between men – not “romantic” relationships. Plato believed that women were inferior and that a true relationship could only exist among equals -men. women were there for reproduction only (don’t know about the domestic thing) why don’t you just fuck each other if you’re so in love with men as superior beings?”
Brilliant! I’ve wondered the same thing! Why don’t the men who adopt this chavanistic nonsense start fucking each other and get some of that cum out of their bodies (since it seems to be screwing up their perception of reality).
They keep telling us that men are so great, well if you men are so great then why do you act like you’d rather put a bullet in your head then have a date each other. Put down the bottle of Smirnoff and the World of War Craft and go learn to suck cock. You can even help each other pay your child support, what could be more romantic? lol! If men are the kings, head of households, the leaders of women…maybe you should start leading by example. If I ever need a blow job tutorial I’m going to take one from “Brad” not ‘Brenda”. Brad will suck your brains out and you know it!
And I mean have a relationship with men, not just sex (believe it or not a lot more men then we mormally would suspect engage in homosexual sex at one point during their life or another.) Stop bugging women and trying to change our nature to suit your needs. You want cock worship then you needs you a man. Two snaps in a circle, BITCH!
Say what you want about the lesbian feminist but they are not afraid to put their mouth where the money is…um…so to speak…
Ouch. Any truly high-quality woman (gorgeous, nice, etc.) is going to see nothing but a HURT LITTLE BOY in these. One who gets laid, and probably a lot, but still a hurt, little boy.
“I. Never say ‘I Love You’ first”
I’d say never say it, PERIOD. Then again, my next book’s working title is LOVE CONQUERS NOTHING. In that book, I have an even BETTER deflection that will drive her even MORE crazy than if you hadn’t said anything about loving her.
You then write:
“Women want to feel like they have to overcome obstacles to win a man’s heart. They crave the challenge of capturing the interest of a man who has other women competing for his attention, and eventually prevailing over his grudging reluctance to award his committed exclusivity. The man who gives his emotional world away too easily robs women of the satisfaction of earning his love. Though you may be in love with her, don’t say it before she has said it. Show compassionate restraint for her need to struggle toward yin fulfillment. Inspire her to take the leap for you, and she’ll return the favor a thousandfold.”
Then she’ll be out the door once the “challenge” is won. This is “challenge fox” theory, which I wrote about in Outfoxing The Foxes, my 1998 book. If she wanted your heart, rather than the challenge, she wouldn’t play this game and risk losing you. You say “women” as if all are equal. If you think that, you aren’t picking them as well as you could.
“II. Make her jealous”
Unprovoked emotional abuse is not wise. This will cost you the ONE type of woman who isn’t like the garbage that responds to this. Worse, if it DOES work, you wind up with a gameplayer for a girlfriend or wife, and YOU lose.
“Flirt with other women in front of her. Do not dissuade other women from flirting with you. Women will never admit this but jealousy excites them. The thought of you turning on another woman will arouse her sexually.”
Then publish your sexual exploits. Got tons of them in my next book, many of which will be in the free chapter, which will be read by hot women, etc.
“No girl wants a man that no other woman wants. The partner who harnesses the gale storm of jealousy controls the direction of the relationship.”
Basic PIVOT theory. I see you’ve read 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (1999), where I debuted and defined the pivot.
“III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority”
Just make sure you don’t miss the woman when she disappears while you were focusing on your mission. Good advice there for many situations, but the exceptions are too notable. Lots of throwing the baby out with the bathwater there.
Say, are we supposed to just TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT when you say you get laid? How do we know the women YOU think are hot are all that hot? You can be anyone or anything you want when anonymous.
“Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence.”
Actually, some do, but guess what? They are WITH the man they want this with, in a drama-free relationship, rather than trying to get your attention in a bar. Now if you aren’t ATTRACTING this type of woman, that’s a separate problem.
“They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out.”
SUBMISSIVE women want this. Not all women are submissive, and not all nonsubmissive women are dominant. A drug dealer might think all women are crack whores, but that doesn’t mean they are. You are confusing YOUR world with THE world. The latter is a much bigger place.
“You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. ”
PUAs lie by omission all the time, and lie about their agenda. Most will not be honest and cost themselves a lay, and most will spend money even if they aren’t “supposed” to. Respect and “game” don’t mix.
“She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.”
That will be HER loss and your ultimate gain. You’re ignoring the times a guy doesn’t lose her for doing this, but those guys don’t buy bootcamps or products, do they?
“IV. Don’t play by her rules”
Depends on how she enforces them.
“If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man.”
Sodini believed this, and shot up a health club when reality told him otherwise. What happens when she doesn’t play along? The “alpha” has two choices: escalate (Sodini), or back down (beta). Are you saying you want all women to be like this, or can’t fathom that not all are like it (I assume you’d be fucking the latter if you thought it existed and could attract it).
“Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.”
You think women are EMOTIONAL? You’re confusing the use of drama for manipulation with actual emotion. If women were guided by emotion, they wouldn’t be so cruel. The women you described here are emotionally weak. Is this what you want, or do you believe you can’t do better?
“V. Adhere to the golden ratio”
“Give your woman 2/3 of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold — it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in her personal dramas. Refraining from reciprocating everything she does for you in equal measure instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status. In her deepest loins it is what she truly wants.”
True love doesn’t have to keep score. If it’s not true love, it’s a game.
“VI. Keep her guessing”
“True to their inscrutable natures, women ask questions they don’t really want direct answers to. Woe be the man who plays it straight — his fate is the suffering of the beta. Evade, tease, obfuscate. She thrives when she has to imagine what you’re thinking about her, and withers when she knows exactly how you feel. A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security. In the same manner, when she has displeased you, punish swiftly, but when she has done you right, reward slowly. Reward her good behavior intermittently and unpredictably and she will never tire of working hard to please you.”
In Foxes (1998), I said a curious woman was the equivalent of a horny male. Have you broken new ground with this?
“VII. Always keep two in the kitty
Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.”
This is what women do to men when they keep a nice-guy around as a Plan B. If a man can start over from scratch, he doesn’t need to do this. Are your skills so lacking that you can’t just rebuild if and when that time comes?
Not all women like competition, and some will reject you for not being smart enough to see their superiority. Then you wind up stuck with an inferior “backup” option, or benchwarmer.
“VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary”
How about when you’re actually sorry? Or did something wrong?
“Do not say you’re sorry for every wrong thing you do. It is a posture of submission that no man should reflexively adopt, no matter how alpha he is. Apologizing increases the demand for more apologies. She will come to expect your contrition, like a cat expects its meal at a set time each day. And then your value will lower in her eyes. Instead, if you have done something wrong, you should acknowledge your guilt in a glancing way without resorting to the actual words “I’m sorry.” Pull the Bill Clinton maneuver and say “Mistakes were made” or tell her you “feel bad” about what you did. You are granted two freebie “I’m sorry”s for the life of your relationship; use them wisely.”
Wow, Bill Clinton. A man with a perfect love life.
“IX. Connect with her emotions”
By acting in a contrived manner? Artificial connections don’t count. That is manipulation, not emotional connection. You also aren’t separating yourself from other men when you use mainstream-media techniques, which these now are. PUA is the new AFC. Look at all the ENERGY you are putting into a gender you claim to not care about. Unless you have a profit motive (have you disclosed all financial ties like the FTC wants everyone to?), you’re “protesting too much.”
“X. Ignore her beauty”
Oh please. She’ll think you’re gay, stupid, blind, or just LYING. If you were really getting what you want from women, would you even BOTHER playing these games?
“The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire. This is one reason why the greatest lotharios drown in more love than they can handle — through positive experiences with so many beautiful women they lose their awe of beauty and, in turn, their powerlessness under its spell. It will help you acquire the right frame of mind to stop using the words hot, cute, gorgeous, or beautiful to describe girls who turn you on. Instead, say to yourself “she’s interesting” or “she might be worth getting to know”. Never compliment a girl on her looks, especially not a girl you aren’t fucking. Turn off that part of your brain that wants to put them on pedestals. Further advanced training to reach this state of unawed Zen transcendence is to sleep with many MANY attractive women (try to avoid sleeping with a lot of ugly women if you don’t want to regress). Soon, a Jedi lover you will be.”
It is great when a man can keep a cool head even when dealing with a super-hottie, but few can actually do this. He also can’t do it to get the initial experience in fucking hot women that he needs to desensitize himself. By the time he has that experience, he is desensitized, so he still needs a bridge. Or, as I used to ask, how do you “go fuck ten other women” when you can’t even fuck the ONE you want?
“XI. Be irrationally self-confident”
“No matter what your station in life, stride through the world without apology or excuse.”
Oh this is rich. I DID this, and all you wannabe-alpha “guru” types would AMOG me for not conforming to gamekilling stereotypes. Often, what appeared a weakness to a misinformed public was a huge strength. The overconfident cabdriver might be amusing, but he will come off more as delusional. Being entertaining might get him laid, but that just means his career could use a boost.
“It does nt matter if objectively you are not the best man a woman can get; what matters is that you think and act like you are.”
Even if a guy like you is AMOGing him over the very things you tell him aren’t supposed to matter?
“Women”
Not all, just the ones you seem to cross paths with a lot.
“have a dog’s instinct for uncovering weakness in men; don’t make it easy for them.”
Do you want women who are this vicious? Can’t you do better?
“Self-confidence, warranted or not, triggers submissive emotional responses in women. Irrational self-confidence will get you more pussy than rational defeatism.”
So stop AMOGing guys whose “lifestyle” doesn’t measure up to some “rockstar” ideal.
“XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses.
In the betterment of ourselves as men we attract women into our orbit. To accomplish this gravitational pull as painlessly and efficiently as possible, you must identify your natural talents and shortcomings and parcel your efforts accordingly. If you are a gifted jokester, don’t waste time and energy trying to raise your status in philosophical debate. If you write well but dance poorly, don’t kill yourself trying to expand your manly influence on the dancefloor. Your goal should be to attract women effortlessly, so play to your strengths no matter what they are; there is a groupie for every male endeavor. Except World of Warcraft.”
This is hardly groundbreaking.
“XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little Touching a woman inappropriately on the first date will get you further with her than not touching her at all.”
If she’s a slut, sure. If not, you may have cost yourself that “one special girl,” who generally wants to be treated as such.
“Don’t let a woman’s faux indignation at your boldness sway you; they secretly love it when a man aggressively pursues what he wants and makes his sexual intentions known.”
Unless she REALLY doesn’t want him, at which point she calls the cops.
“You don’t have to be an asshole, but if you have no choice, being an inconsiderate asshole beats being a polite beta, every time.”
Not every time, and the times it doesn’t, wipe out the times it does fifty times over. You might not be the PUA you think you are if you don’t see this.
“XIV. Fuck her good”
Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.”
Love the subcommunication that you are such a great lover. You think PASSION is a substitute for SEXUAL EXPERTISE?
“XV. Maintain your state control”
You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips. She will rain and thunder all around you and you will shelter her until her storm passes. She will not drag you into her chaos or uproot you. When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her.”
Mastery over a gameplaying, drama-addicted slut. Can you not do better? Or do you think nice girls suck in bed?
“XVI. Never be afraid to lose her”
If you aren’t afraid of losing her, she isn’t worth keeping.
“The closer you follow the letter of these commandments, the easier you will find and keep real, true unconditional love and happiness in your life.”
No, the more you’ll get laid by slutty, random hot chicks who play games. Can you not do better?
Ray Gordon
“Love Conquers Nothing”
http://www.toosmarttofail.com
50k for a book,Ray?Hmmm.
Stephanie,
It wasn’t the sex that kept you around. You decided he was a great lover by sexually stereotyping the men you ignored as inferior.
If sex were the key, you’d be auditioning other men a lot more. You weren’t. It was the “game” he ran that got you.
In the spirit of this, let me share a favorite neg, for women who say they have “all the power.”
YOU WILL AGE FASTER THAN MILK.
Another good rule for men is:
XVII. Do not underestimate your competition.
You may THINK you are “alpha” or interesting, or smart, or doing the right things, but most men have no idea just how hard the competition is working to get the best women.
Men who don’t get the best women wind up dumpster-diving, and prototyping ALL women on the few they can get with this wannabe-alpha (“alphalpha”) approach.
The primary contradiction here is why a man with so many options would want to settle for a dumb, borderline-psycho, gameplaying slut.
Another thing for you supposedly dominant males: how would you handle it if your wife or girlfriend dumped you one day, informing you it was because she was fucking another man?
If you cannot handle THAT, you are unfit for commitment.
Ray Gordon
“Love Conquers Nothing”
http://www.toosmarttofail.com
How many orders for that book of yours so far,Raymond?
A good way to dissect this post is to flip the genders, and substitute “rapist” for “bitch.”
The seduction community “theory” has two very distinct sides. The first is an understanding of undesirable female behavior, which, sadly, is the norm. This amounts to KNOWING THE SCORE, and knowing when you’re being shit-tested, bitch-shielded, etc. Ask a dozen “gurus” what it means when a woman does something, and you’ll get the same answer from all.
It’s the SECOND part of the “theory” that divides, namely what to DO about what we know. Some men project the behavior onto the entire gender, and act accordingly, while other men look for the exceptions, which they cherish.
Which would the audience here rather do?
Oh, and I find it funny that women who claim they have no time for PUAs spend their time on this blog rather than running to the nice guys they claim are so superior.
Then there are those who say that the methods would never work, yet the men who use the methods exploit the women they “don’t work” on. It’s one or the other: either the methods work and exploit, or they don’t work, and there is no exploitation.
Women do create the problem they complain about, by acting as if who they choose to fuck is a measure of a man’s character. “Worthy” of her attention? Give me a break. If you call men losers for not getting laid, they are going to think LOGICALLY, and put “getting laid” above anything they might have to do to achieve it. Women who want to stop this from occurring should just date any decent man who asks them out nicely. I’ll be holding my breath awaiting that great day.
Ray Gordon
“Love Conquers Nothing”
http://www.toosmarttofail.com
To anyone who addresses me after this, I am going back to finishing Love Conquers Nothing. I’m currently writing long days, and have one final draft, then a polish edit, to finish, before its launch.
I may not read the comments after this one for a while, though if I find some time, I may.
I doubt anyone would still read this who posted stuff like a month ago, but to everyone bitching that being an asshole doesn’t get you a relationship, I’m a born beta here(at least, I am when I like the girl. I am the kind of person who’s really tough and quite the asshole on the outside(circumstances made me like this), but have a gentle side too) and I’ve spent 3 years chasing after a girl like a typical beta did. 2 years in I started to lose hope and didn’t talk to her as often, if at all. I run into her downtown, she asks me out out of nowhere. I was all back to being in love and being the beta, 2nd date, she ditches me for another guy she just happened to see.
I made all the beta mistakes. Apologize too often, remind her that I care about her, talk to her whenever I get even close to the chance, and I know I still make these mistakes.
Same with other girls after that. When I showed them the sweet, caring, nice guy, they lost interest. The girls I treat like normal people(Which means I’m an asshole to them) are all over me, but I don’t care about them. Would you care to explain to me what that problem is?
Besides, from what I read, this isn’t a guide to your perfect relationship and happy marriage, but a guide to find a chick, bang her, and move on.
VII–this is why “good girls” think men are dimwit assholes..
and I agree with the above comment:
“Besides, from what I read, this isn’t a guide to your perfect relationship and happy marriage, but a guide to find a chick, bang her, and move on.”
Then again, this is the way of you martians, I suppose.
Anonymous wrote:
“Same with other girls after that. When I showed them the sweet, caring, nice guy, they lost interest. The girls I treat like normal people(Which means I’m an asshole to them) are all over me, but I don’t care about them. Would you care to explain to me what that problem is?”
Since being back on the dating scene for the last 2 years this is also my EXACT same experience. Whenever I like someone and genuinely care about them, and be honest and straight with them, I never hear so much as a polite reply. The trail goes cold. But when I could care less, evade, dismiss and keep myself to myself, then I get virtually stalked by those women. The pattern is clear. Go figure, something’s not quite right in our society…
Are you dating someone special that you don’t want to lose, like all the others you’ve lost? Are you getting bad vibes because your girlfriend of six months only gets migraines when you try to kiss her goodnight at her doorstep? Does it bother you that your wife is meeting too many perverts in chat rooms on the Internet?
Do you know what men do that women don’t? They fight reality in two areas of their lives. One, they don’t ask for directions when lost and more importantly, two, they think that all women are illogical and inconsistent. But these men never ask themselves why it is that certain men never seem to get rejected by women or face Divorce Court. Is it possible that some men might make the same mistake from one woman to another? Is it possible that women’s choices in men are consistent?
game plan
Successful men know that happiness in romantic relationships is not due to luck – it’s due to using reliable principles and having a plan. Bill Gates didn’t “wing it” when deciding which software market to enter – he had a business plan. If you want to be successful in your long-term romantic relationship, you can’t leave things to chance; you need a plan to help you keep Miss Right mesmerized. The principles that you will get from my column will guide you the way a Thomas Bros. map guides a U.P.S. driver to his destination. If the things you’ve tried with women are only driving your emotions in circles and bringing you pain instead of ecstasy, allow my principles to be your roadmap to happiness.
The first concept that I will define is what I call The Reality Factor . It states: “Things are the way they are. If you go against reality, reality works against you, resulting in pain.” For example, let’s say that one day you decided that there is no such thing as gravity, so you jump off the Empire State Building. While in the air, you can believe what you want, but when you hit the pavement, you will realize that you went against reality, which ultimately resulted in extreme bodily pain.
Another example: You speed down the 5 Freeway at 120 mph at 2 a.m. with the lights off. The Reality Factor says you will experience the pain of having to defend yourself in court.
A third example: your female dates ask you to call them back before the date to confirm and for some strange reason, these call back to confirm dates only end with the dual pains of frustration and disappointment.
Rejection, man’s most despised emotion, is the woman’s way of telling a man that he turns her off. Read this column every week and you will never go through this painful experience again because from now on, the Reality Factor will be your friend, not your nemesis.
The Reality Factor’s cousin is the Bottom Line Factor , which states that “only a woman’s actions truly reflect her feelings for you.” Men who are ignorant when it comes to this powerful concept rationalize a woman’s slights and put-downs. For example, let’s say Caprice breaks a date with Tom. That week, Tom thinks up 144 possible rosy scenarios of why she broke her word. He didn’t think of Reason 145, the only one that counts, which states that Caprice has zero interest in him. Dating Rule No. 1: Women with High Interest always keep dates.
The Bottom Line Factor also states that if Tom were reflective and had thought about it, he would have asked himself how many dates he has broken in his life. Answer? (Hint: less than one.) If, after some psychological detective work, Tom had discovered that Caprice broke the date because her father did not give her a bicycle on her tenth birthday like he had promised; it still wouldn’t have made a difference. The Bottom Line Factor says that if Caprice breaks a date with Tom, she is not interested in him. Sadly, most men call back, asking for another beating, rather than utilizing the Bottom Line Factor .
If you never want to be a guest on the Jerry Springer show, then allow me to protect your heart. If you are a guy who wants to keep Miss Right forever and not share her with her good-looking boss or lose her in divorce court, then please allow me to be your relationship coach.
In two weeks from now, I will answer all of your romantic love questions from a man’s perspective. So set your ego aside, learn to laugh at yourself and I will give you snappy answers to your silly love questions; answers loaded with truth. Do what I say and Miss Right will be robbing banks for you. When I am done with you, you will need more security than Julio Iglesias. To protect the anonymity of the guilty, however, I promise to never use your real name or reveal it. All questions will be answered, but only the best ones will be printed. Please be specific and don’t ramble. In this article, we covered my definitions of the Reality Factor and the Bottom Line Factor, which belie my approach to successful relationships. In next week’s article, I will cover the three factors that make or break a successful long-term romantic relationship.
Hi Doc
Has a woman ever bewildered you with any of these lines?
– Can’t we just be friends?
– I don’t kiss on the first date.
– I need someone who is more exciting.
– Did I tell you about my present lover?
– I think you’re a nice person, but…
If you’ve heard any of these lines, you’re in luck because I have just the right prescription to cure your case of confusion. You are privileged to be reading one of the few romantic love columns in America that comes from a male perspective.
In last week’s article, we covered two major concepts: The Reality Factor (“Things are the way they are. If you go against reality, it will work against you, resulting in pain.”) and The Bottom Line Factor (“Only a woman’s actions truly reflect her feelings toward you.”). These two facts of life form the foundation of my unique approach to relationships, which I call The “System”.
This week, I will give you the framework of The “System”, by naming the three factors that determine success or failure in romantic relationships. These factors are: female Interest Level, female attitude, and male attitude.
is she interested in you?
Interest Level is one of the most overlooked factors in successful relationships. Women refer to their Interest Level as “romantic feelings,” or “love”. Interest Level is a degree of love. What is a “degree” of love? Let me give you an example. Tom is at a party and he asks two women, Jill and Caprice, for their home phone numbers. Jill responds, “I’ll give you my work number instead – I just don’t know you very well.” Caprice, on the other hand, tears a bank deposit slip from her checkbook, circles the home phone number and hands it to Tom with a smile saying “Now you’d better call me!”
Interest Level is a scale that ranges from 0 to 100 percent. In the preceding example, I would place Jill’s Interest Level in Tom at 20% and Caprice’s at 80%. Now think about this: If Jill and Caprice were thoroughbreds running in the seventh at the Del Mar racetrack and Tom were a betting man, whom should he put his money on?
Why is female Interest Level so important? Because the closer the woman’s Interest Level gets to 100%, the more she likes you and the more fun you will have – whether it’s on the first date or your 20th anniversary. In sharp contrast, the further away her Interest Level is from 100%, the less she likes you and the more she will eat, nag, and watch Ricki Lake. To you Psychology majors: a man should only love a woman who loves him first.
Of the three factors that make or break romantic relationships, the woman’s Interest Level is the single most important factor, not the man’s Interest level .
it’s all about attitude
In addition to overlooking the woman’s Interest Level , men typically overlook the importance of the female attitude – a woman’s morals and temperament. Even though your Miss Right is beautiful, both inside and out, shouldn’t you still ask yourself whether she is going to be part of the crew or part of the cargo? To you Psych majors, this means, “Is she high maintenance or low maintenance?” If you are going to serve time with Miss Right , isn’t it best for your comfort level and sanity to find a wife who rubs your back and compliments you once in a while just for taking out the trash? Of course it is.
So what comprises a good female attitude? Integrity, a giving nature and flexibility. A woman’s integrity is made up of honesty, loyalty and trust, in other words you should ask yourself, “Would I go into business with this person?” before you give up your freedom.
To find out whether Miss Right is a giver or a taker, ask yourself, “Is she on my side? Is she sweet, serene and supportive at least some of the time?” One sign of a giving wife is one who says, “I like to do things to make my husband happy”, when she talks with her girlfriends.
As for the definition of flexibility – let me tell you what it isn’t: hardheaded, structured, stubborn, intransigent, nor is it personified by nagging – the most cruel and common punishment known to man today.
Flexibility is when she’s willing to try something new – even if it means going fishing with you once and baiting the hook with a creepy crawler.
If a woman is normal, you make her like you more or less by the way you treat her, although you cannot affect her attitude. That’s how she comes wired. So it is your job to do the things that could raise her Interest Level toward 100%. How? By exhibiting the proper male attitude, made up of confidence, control and Challenge .
the male attitude
Most men know what confidence is and they even know that women love confident men. The other relationship experts, who are from a female perspective, don’t tell men specifically what to do to achieve this confidence. If you read my column every week, you will learn how to naturally appear confident, even when you’re a nervous wreck inside!
Control in my “System” stands for self-control, not controlling the woman. It means controlling your choices and actions in spite of what your emotions urge you to do. For example, if you’re at a dance club and a gentleman hustles your girlfriend, you would know to take this as a compliment to your taste, instead of wanting to throw a chair at his head. By practicing self-control and not making a fool of yourself, you raise her Interest Level to even loftier heights.
Challenge is nothing more than playing hard to get. You do this because the woman is happiest when she does the chasing and when she thinks it is her idea to pursue a romantic relationship, rather than yours. If you do what I say, you’ll have to beat ‘em off with a stick!
If you would like to purchase and/or have any questions about my famous System, e-mail me at doclove@askmen.com
hit me on the digital
if that’s not too simple
you could lounge in union square and await face-to-face visuals
DocLove’s own game?
He’s a “guru” with a big website (askmen.com), and some measure of STATUS, and, presumably, MONEY.
Say guys, why do you think a chick would be imperssed by your status and money? To “bask” in it, or to SPEND it (the money) and FLAUNT it (the status?). Buying a golddigging whore is NOT game.
If another guy hits on your girlfriend, it’s up to HER to reject him, unless she expects you to FIGHT her battles for her, and if she’s like that, I hope your heatlh-insurance premium is paid up.
How much has “Doc” spent on women in the past year? I know of “gurus” who bottle-pop in VIP rooms and slip cash to women on the “downlow” and then preach to their own students that money and status (which they GET from other men) doesn’t matter. Yeah right. Just like looks don’t matter if you’er a chick, or the guys who react to looks don’t want them deployed in the bedroom.
The “reality factor” deals with HOW a woman feels about you, not WHY, and not even WHO is doing the “feeling.” Women are so “fucked up,” yet you are letting them bend you to their world view, to the point where you become as fucked up as them. Amazing.
Most guys who view women this way can AFFORD to, because they can “delete” that little money thing from their minds, treating it as “normal,” but it’s only “normal” in houses of prostitution, or relationships baed on golddigging.
Avoiding rejection? Shit, if you don’t get rejected, and brutally, from time to time, there are two causes:
1. Your standards are too low; and
2. You aren’t following your heart.
That’s like only applying for jobs you know you’re going to get.
If women’s selection processes are so fucked up, why would men try to cater to them? If women are so deceitful that they don’t tell guys the score from day one, why do they want LIARS? Why women want to BE liars is obvious — it’s to their advantage. Why men would want a liar for anything other than sex, is not.
Take away her “bitch shield” and all you are left with is a BITCH WITH A CLEAR SHOT.
Does “DocLove” have a REAL NAME?” My theory is most “PUAs” don’t reveal their real names, because google would expose too many lies about their love lives, not to us, but to the women. If he does use his real name somewhere this does not apply to him, but it applies to many more.
And what the fuck is a guy with a girlfriend doing taking her to a nightclub again? Desire to pay cover charges and for overpriced drinks that won’t even cause him to flunk a DUI? To flaunt his pussy-supply to other men? Why not just walk through Harlem at 2:00 a.m. waving $1,000 in cash?
A woman who treats you good is not necessarily a good woman. Often she’s just a temporarily tamed BULLY, which is why you had to go through all that shit in the first place. Also it’s uaully for men who can’t attract the quality women and are left trying to get quality treatment from the bitches and sluts.
Nope my system is nothing like what you think.
Ray Gordon, you really should learn to try some research before jumping to conclusions like that.
Try my radio show for a start.
http://www.wsradio.com/internet-talk-radio-schedule.cfm
The Doc Love Show Understanding Women for Men Only.
I am not a PUA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Love
Doc Love (real name Tom Hodges) is a relationship coach for heterosexual men who has devoted over 35 years in active research with over 10,000 women. He has authored several books on the subject of how to date women and how to keep them interested in a romantic relationship. He also writes a free weekly column, which is published on AskMen.com among other websites, and conducts a radio talk show with his sidekick Jeff Biletnikoff, which addresses callers’ questions on women and dating. He has appeared on a Fox television interview. The philosophy he advocates for dating is called “The System”, which is laid out in his book, “The System: The Dating Dictionary.”
The primary concept in his teachings is for a man to be a Challenge to the woman he is interested in. Challenge, is the most important reason why a woman is attracted to and chooses to stay in a relationship with one man over another. Challenge is defined as “allowing the woman to do the pursuing”. Doc Love is the only “love doctor” to talk about the necessity of a man being a Challenge in order to achieve and sustain a successful relationship.[dubious – discuss]
Other key ideas in “The System” include a list of Male Traits and Female Traits that are necessary for romantic love to exist. The Male Traits are Confidence (subdivided into Self-Confidence and Self-Esteem), Control (subdivided into Discipline, Patience, and Self-Control), and Challenge. The Female Traits are Integrity (subdivided into Honesty, Loyalty, and Trust), Giving Nature, Flexibility, and a lack of emotional baggage from prior relationships.
Interest Level is another of Doc Love’s key concepts and encompasses the idea that the level of a woman’s romantic interest in a man is not static, but is raised and lowered by the man’s actions – specifically by the degree to which he is or is not a Challenge. Specifically, if a person’s Interest Level (defined as a percentage from 0 to 100%) in another is above 50%, they feel romantically attracted to them, and the higher the percentage, the more intense the attraction is. He also believes that while men will leave a relationship if their interest in a woman drops below 50%, a woman will not leave unless her interest drops below 40% due to her bonding nature; in addition, a woman’s Interest Level being between 40-50% is a serious problem since it will never go back above 50% and the relationship is doomed to fail, yet she will still stay with, date, or even marry men at this Interest Level despite the total and permanent lack of attaction on her part. He also blames this phenomenon for the fact most divorces and breakups are started by women, and says men need his System and to be more of a Challenge.
Doc Love’s additional ideas from his philosophy include bringing salesmanship into the area of dating, namely by “closing the deal” with a woman by getting her HOME phone number.
Doc Love differs from the “pickup artists” of the seduction community in that his focus is on teaching men to have happy long-term relationships rather than to seduce women for one-night stands. Nonetheless, their teachings have some similarities and might be said to complement one another. Both have as their primary target audience the nice guy who tends to befriend rather than attract the women he is romantically interested in (“Wimpus Americanus” in Doc Love’s terminology – the seduction community term is Average Frustrated Chump) and both criticize this man’s approach for being too eager to please, claiming that his accommodating behavior is precisely what is turning women off.
Doc Love resides in San Diego, and he maintains a website that advertises his dating self-help material.
Cheers Tom.
P.S A MAN SHOULD NEVER SHOW OFF HIS $$$$
Rule #17
Never listen to what women say, simply watch what they do.
Rule #18
Never take the advice of a beta or a woman when it comes to getting laid.
The betas know nothing, and the woman has already LJBF’d you!
The trouble with being an asexual woman is that it can be difficult (though bemusing at times) to navigate through a hypersexualized culture where this type of nonsense actually seems to pass for acceptable social behavior.
I still feel bad when I reject the advances of men (I do it as nicely as I can), but reading this makes me wonder if I should. It appears that I’m very fortunate indeed to have escaped the curse of needing to be desirable to my fellow human beings at the expense of dignity, kindness, or rational.
This was a really disheartening read. Thanks for showing me some of what I’m missing out on, though.
Stumbled across this page by accident. It was good for a laugh…in the pathetic kind of way. Your a sad, sad man. It is a shame you know so little and preach so much. I hope you find something that can make you truly happy one day. These thoughts that you derived out of whatever limiting experience you had with the women in your life leaves me to believe you have an enormous empty void. Good luck with your life. hope you leave this world fulfilled….
Empty accusations. Typical.
You should provide your bullshit spouting services to farms who need crop fertilizing.
Lots of sore ego’s and feminist manifestii sheeple sure don’t like it. If anything it’s a sign he’s spot on.
This is some really good shit. I will promise that I start practicing this by tomorrow!
Men need constant reassurance that they are right. Keep jerking each other off, boys. I like to watch.
And, women need constant reassurance on everything.
When you have the goods, most games work. Its simply called dominance. I just act the way I want. If I had to nervously go over the manual, I would already break a rule that ought to be instinctual. If I even smell manipulation, its mowed down into a trench. Treating this like manual is very beta to me. It should be used as a diagnostic for men who seem to have this problem.
If you are a white guy visiting the UK take this tip. Get a bottle of potasium permanganate (I’m not good at spelling) and black hair dye. Use the p.p. to dye your skin dark brown. The thing to remember is that you must use a bit of pp in your eyes or else they are too light. Leave a bit of pink on the palms of your hand and souls of your feet. Dye your hair black. English sluts go crazy over black and brown men and you will get plenty of fucks day after day. Go to London, the white men in London are mostly homos, leaving plenty of hetero-fuck. Do not go to places like Manchester, white men there like black women, this keeps the white English bitches in check.
well played sir
The guy who wrote this treatise obviously has a lot of time on his hands, doesn’t actually know many women.
Here’s some better advice.
Be a nice guy, pick up the check, show respect. Sometimes a relationship works out, sometimes it doesn’t, but there’s lots of lovable pretty women out there and lots of wonderful, kind, sexy men.
Women like strong men with lots of heart, not weasels.
“Laughing at lonely guys” coming at us, telling us to pick up the check. Had this debate at the office.
The vote was overwhelming – expecting your man to cover your charges basically makes for a welfare hooch.
There should be a referendum concerning this issue.
In regard to the shit stains:
Spray ‘n Wash Dual Power. That stuff works. I’ve had to use it twice, wasn’t pleased with either of those chicks. Keep a bottle handy, not only does it get the bed stains out, it gets everything else out too.
http://www.spraynwash.com/product.html
Highly impressed and entertained with this post.
“you think about how many excellent women professionals are out there”
how many roses do they cost? lucifer can recommend a few
i could pull jackson katz’ wife at his own award ceremony
unless he has been holding out for ‘marriage equality’ before tying the knot
consider the possibility you are a deluded feminist fucking moron who wants to further emasculate men and destroy what little is left of society
denise have you read any of this site or any of the things ppl here read?
try googling f roger devlin’s “sexual utopia in power” of “the garbage generation” for starters
your fundamental 1st premises about sex love dominance gender roles and society are 180 degrees off from those and most of the posters here–they are aware of your premises, you may wish to become aware of theirs before posting nonsense most posters here reject ab initio
@ denise
I still waiting for the answer: are you married? do you have children?
When you use your real name on this site and others and reveal personal information about yourself, I will consider answering reasonable questions from you.
and what in the fuck is an emotional IQ?
and is the mean emotional IQ of sub-saharan africans a full standard deviation below the mean emotional IQ of caucasians? does it correlate with lower natural testosterone levels in men?
is emotional IQ heritable or a product of environment?
what is the median emotional IQ of columbia grad students? i may apply there for the fall, but i don’t see this referenced anywhere.
also, “intellectual IQ” is technically redundant.
So is “technically redundant”
emotional iq is the phony made up metric for social skills made up for people who fail to score high in average IQ in sufficient numbers. it allows blacks and women to feel like their contributions to society are as valid and important as those of the hard sciences and engineering.
@ denise
have you ever considered the extent by which your political activism is being used as a substitute for husband and kids?
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and tha since you have hit the wall already, you have only the political activism left?
John D. Mayer and Peter Salovey introduced the term Emotional Intelligence (EI) to psychology and suggested that the capacity to perceive and understand emotions defined a new intelligence. This is now able to be measured using statistically valid measures and is used internationally and accepted in academia.
The Mayer-Salovey model defines emotional intelligence as the capacity to understand emotional information and to reason with emotions. More specifically, they divide emotional intelligence abilties into four areas — in their four branch model:
the capacity to accurately perceive emotions
the capacity to use emotions to facilitate thinking
the capacity to understand emotional meanings
the capacity to manage emotions
The beauty of EI is that it can be significantly improved if it is worked on, and there is evidence that all humans have innate EI to an extent.
EI is the product of all of your emotional and psychological experiences, thus it can be improved, just as healthy relationship skills can be improved with focus and effort.
There are no correlations between testosterone (or estrogen) levels and EI.
As IQ has become a shorthand for a measure of a kind of intelligence (there are several kinds of intelligence), I was using it that way, but technically you’re correct.
Dana,
are you willing to list your real identity with such comments?
explain specifically why a “healthy relationship” between a a normally masculine man and a normally feminine woman is one based on “equality” and not one based on the dominance of the man. where in the world, history, literature art or music do you find this to be the paradigm for healthy relationships? have all male-female relationships since the dawn of human history been “unhealthy” until EQ was plucked from the ether?
Abusive relationships are characterized by extreme jealousy, emotional withholding, lack of intimacy, raging, sexual coercion, infidelity, verbal abuse, threats, lies, broken promises, physical violence, power plays, and control games.
Healthy relationships are based on mutuality in every possible area.
Hyperbole aside, there are many examples of healthy relationships based on mutuality and love between men and women throughout history.
And there is also something called “evolution”.
Remember when women were considered sluts for showing their ankles or for having sex before marriage? Aren’t we all glad that changed?
There seem to be alot of assumptions here that women want husbands or children or roses or your money.
I don’t know where you’re all getting that. Many women do not want any of those things, especially when gays and lesbians do not yet have the right to marry and especially given that there are already too many people on this planet.
That doesn’t mean we don’t have amazingly wonderful and fulfilling healthy relationships built on mutuality with healthy men.
This idea that a great boyfriend or male partner can’t provide excellent sex is more misinformation.
EI can only be accurately assessed by the results of a statistically valid EI test.
EI testing is real science, is used more and more in workplace recruiting.
Obviously, not all women want exactly the same thing. It wouldn’t be very effective to poll every woman on the planet and ask what she most desires.
EI testing may be used, but it is by no means conclusive, and a lot of people would disagree that EI is even valid.
and where there any specific examples in there?
I am sure there is much more credible reseach on EI than on game.
Where was game plucked from?
Oh that’s right, the ass of an incredibly insecure man who needs to rely on controlling and manipulating women in order to keep them relating to him and who lies to himself and other men that this is what women really want in order to justify his and their abusive behavior.
gig:
i have deduced the answer to your first question. yes on marriage… not sure about the kids.
elementary, my dear watson!
denise’s pedigree includes volunteer work for a jewish board of family services, but her surname is rather… romantic. we may infer that she married outside the tribe and practices the same brand of “rudderless compassion” faith that auster bitches about with mike huckabee.
really, it does not matter if PUAs have the “emotional IQs” of the mentally handicapped. they can compensate by fostering their “promiscuous IQs” and “libidinal IQs”. if women don’t respond to these, they can hit the gym and develop their “muscular IQs”. or hit the tailor and step up their “fashionable IQs”.
it’s a matter of framing.
do you believe “abusive” is a magic word that makes what you are saying true?
your real identity is meaningless here denise
your bullshit social “sciences” degrees will garner you no plaudits here, only the clarity of your thought and the logic of your arguments.
you are attempting to argue with people who do not accept the veracity of your fundamental 1st premises regarding sex and gender, in order to make any headway at all you will have to at least be able to defend those premises rather than just beg the question at every turn
please point me to a human society that has been built on an egalatarian male/female relationship model in human history and please tell me, if you manage to dig up a hunter/gather tribe or 2, why if it exists in the human condition at all it’s rare as hen’s teeth?
to be clear, “roses” are the published currency unit for craigslist escorts. if you want to bang a dominican girl, it might cost “200 roses” for an hour of “girlfriend experience”. this is, of course, a ripoff, so you negotiate with the handler to pay 500 “roses” for her and her friend to bang you and three friends. one rose is worth one dollar, but goldman sachs will charge a 6% fee to convert your currency.
denise,
i am a woman, for starters–so keep your little feminist shaming ploys in your rapidly aging pussy that i don’t care about
and why has there never been a human society based on male/female equality and mutuality? was all of human history wrong and you are right? how did all of human history get it so wrong? why dont any other animals get their OWN sex matters wrong, only humans?
this is how “ed” doctorates argue these days?
my paternal grandma had an EdD in the 50s and she’d have wiped the floor with you
“My volunteer work with the JBFCS has been with a division of that organization that specializes in identifying cults and other groups that use undue influence and other unethical methods of controlling others’ behavior, thoughts, and emotions.”
so… jews?
ahahahahhaha
“EI testing is real science, is used more and more in workplace recruiting.”
… for government-sector desk jobs earmarked for women.
proportionately, the dollar is used more and more as a carry trade.
So, I take it you are in favor of the social changes that have allowed these changes to happen?
Have you considered how social changes might continue to happen (social evolution) if men and women learned how to honestly and ethically respect each others emotional, psychological, sexual, and physical needs without the use of extreme jealousy, emotional withholding, lack of intimacy, raging, sexual coercion, infidelity, verbal abuse, threats, lies, broken promises, physical violence, power plays, and control games.
http://www.cnvc.org/
http://www.nycnvc.org/
There are free materials on both sites. Choose to evolve.
@ cannon
well done. i bet denise`s personal life is just like you described
There is an entire body of work devoted to EQ. The problem is, however, that EQ is nothing more than a means of “grading” how well one’s actions and – even more disgustingly – thoughts map into the characteristic domains defined by the body of current politically-correct thought. It is, in fact, increasingly in use by HR offices – primarily because industries tend to want to be perceived in as idealistic a light as possible in those ways that do not affect profit Like Feminism and Anthropocentric Global Warming, however, EQ is more directly associated with changing behaviors and perceptions to approach values that remove individuality and promote intolerance of any deviations from correct thought.
I have always found it interesting that those of us who have advanced degrees of significance do not generally list them in non-academic discussions. I suspect that this is because we feel it does not add any true worth to our positions. Lately, of course, as soft sciences have proliferated without bound, one sees it more and more.
she’s cutting and pasting–boring
i have certainly considered future social changes.
here is a link from a real scholar of your alma mater, employer, and hand that feeds you (which your bio boasts of having proverbially bit)
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/nihilism.html
1. liberalism
2. realism
3. vitalism
4. nihilistic destruction
you should realize that you are talking to people that are trending toward step 3 in their evolution. further graduation would not bode well for anyone. you should be urging regression, but i don’t think it works like that.
Denise A. Romano, MA, EdM
is full of crap, she is fat ugly, and any man that dates this buss s@it artiest or b any other femi-nazi is a fool, once a femi-nazi always a femi-nasi, leave them single and barran, breed then out I say.
Ad hominem attack. You lose.
Denise, I suspect the men on this blog have dated and/or f*cked more women than you have, so you can keep your face in your femi-nazi books while the we continue to live in the real world.
Arrr to be 18 again….
Denise A. Romano, MA, EdM
I am sure there is much more credible reseach on EI than on game../.,,./..
Rubbish, the only one that is insecure is you, women play far more games then men, far more.
Denise please stay single, stay away from my brothers.
I actually train young men in dating and relationships and if the women in a feminist she is OUT!
Equility is fine, but feminist OUT.
BTW I know of so many feminists in the 35 – 40 age group that can not ‘find’ a man naturally it is always everyone else never them…
Read any article written by the average woman in the media — or a neutered mangina — and one will be fooled into thinking that the reason marriages are on the decline is because “women are choosing not to get married” or some other such tripe that ineffectively attempts to hide the truth of the matter.
The actual reason for the decline of marriages — which is well-documented — is not because “women don’t want to get married” (a bitter anthem recited in retaliation to men’s rejection of marriage.) but due to “The Marriage Strike.”
According to the article: “A ‘marriage strike’ is the social phenomenon of men seeking to avoid marriage. The ‘marriage strike’ specifically refers to the action of men living within the Western world.
Advocates of the marriage strike believe that after a considered cost-benefit analysis, the legal contract that is modern marriage no longer represents an attractive option for men living in the West’s changed legal, economic, sociological, cultural and demographic environment. Advocates of the marriage strike believe that marriage is unfair and consequently men are avoiding marriage. They hold that through the combination of laws permitting no-fault divorce and prevailing conditions in divorce courts that are substantially more likely to favor the wife over the husband in disputes over child custody, visitation rights, ownership of the family residence and other shared property, child support, and alimony. It is possible for a woman to divorce her husband unilaterally while simultaneously depriving him of the right to see his offspring and financially crippling him. They argue that since the divorce rate is high, and since women are more likely than men to seek no-fault divorce, scenarios like the above are a likely outcome of marriage, and that many men, fearing such an outcome, choose not to marry.”
So once again we see that the pro-female claims — made by women — to the tune of “women don’t want to get married” given as the reason for the decline in marriages is like so many other statements written by angry women today; nothing but hot air.
Sunday, June 15, 2008
The Poverty of Feminism
I have three main objections to feminism.
1 The political territory which feminism claims to occupy is already covered by classical liberalism. We already have perfectly good theories about human rights and civil rights and political equality, and we just don’t need another one. Under a liberal reading, women are no different from anybody else: there isn’t really any such thing as ‘women’s rights’, any more than ‘left-handed people’s rights’.
2 The intellectual quality of the analysis offered by feminists is desperately poor. Feminists have appropriated the domain of sexual politics for themselves. ‘We are the authority on this matter’, they claim, ‘if you want to know about sexual politics, come to us, and we will tell you what to think. Your opinions are not welcome’. Not only is this a deeply authoritarian attitude, which should arouse our hostility in itself, but having seized power in this area, they have, from society’s point of view, done a spectacularly poor job. Surely the first task of any such organisation would be to produce an analysis, a model of the task domain. Yet not only is feminism’s analysis of sexual relations pathetically inadequate, it is, even worse, dangerously misleading, dogmatic, self-serving and divisive.
3 They are not fulfilling their responsibilities to society. Surely, the role of any organisation which claims to address problems in sexual politics should be, first and foremost, to act as an honest broker. Feminists should be the UN peacekeepers of the sexual landscape, the impartial police who arbitrate in disputes, who identify potential sources of conflict and pour oil on troubled waters. The primary role of any such organisation should surely be to promote harmony, good relations and communication between the sexes. Yet feminists do precisely the opposite. Far from impartial, they act only in their own narrow interests, they regard men as an enemy to be defeated, they stir up hatred and moral panic at every opportunity. They are not police but vigilantes.
Forever married to the outdated Marxist and Psychoanalytic dogmas of the late 1960s, their analysis of issues can never improve. The 1960s counter-culture produced an outlook on life which is deeply anti-social and maladjusted to say the least.
The society in which we grew up, the safest, wealthiest, healthiest and most liberal society in history, is regarded as the root of all evil in the world. The whole society in which we live, our own culture, must be completely razed to the ground. Only then can we rebuild a New Jerusalem from the ashes. To say that this is an irrational belief is putting it mildly. Revolutionary politics is misleading and pessimistic, because it teaches us that social reform is impossible. We cannot change anything unless we change everything. Yet that is the political outlook, derived from the most unsavoury role models, Marx, Lenin and Mao, that the hippies of the 1960s adopted.
Feminism is the Western world’s last surviving bastion of that totalitarian thinking. Feminists have concentrated their efforts on attacking marriage, the family, heterosexuality and men in general. The fact that they think women’s interests will be served by this indicates just how deeply deluded they are.
Coupled with this destructive and irrational hatred of one’s own culture was a peculiar narcissism. Experimentation with ‘alternative lifestyles’ was probably inevitable once a sufficiently wealthy and liberal society appeared. The data is now in, and the results are deeply unedifying. What the 1968 generation – the last surviving remnant of which is the feminist movement – gave us was widespread social collapse. Divorce, fatherlessness, family breakdown, abortion, crime, drug abuse, child neglect, sexually transmitted infections, personal heartbreak, educational failure. Single-parent households living off public funds, leading to an increase in traffic, pollution, housing shortage, taxation and the intrusive power of the State.
The feminist movement has served the short-term selfish interests of middle-class white women, but its effects on the wider society have been catastrophic. They are under the delusion that they are trying to save a misguided world from its own folly. The arrogance of this position is stunning.
There are several reasons why feminist theory is so intellectually bankrupt. One cause is an inherent left-wing distrust of the establishment. Any theorizing done by the male establishment must be rejected. Thus, science and logic cannot be pursued in any honest way. Aspects of mainstream science and philosophy will be appropriated (and then arbitrarily dropped) if they happen to suit short-term political convenience, but that is all.
The second factor is that women are very socially-focused creatures. I know from my own experience that men will discuss science, economics, history and philosophy, but women only ever talk about themselves and other people. They find men’s conversation on these subjects boring and geeky. They concern themselves with the minutiae of personal relationships, almost to the exclusion of all else. This tends to militate against any kind of large-scale theorizing, which the feminist project requires.
A second outcome from this preoccupation with social issues is a desire to fit in and be accepted. This tends to mean that women will latch onto any passing fad or trend. Most of the feminists I have known in my life are interested in every kind of mysticism from astrology to reiki to homeopathy. It’s easier and more fun than reading evolutionary psychology. With a lack of intellectual rigour and a desire to be trendy and popular, every kind of nonsense is actively embraced. This tends to make for very poor theory. Post-modernism comes to the rescue by claiming that every theory is just as good as every other, a notion as intellectually bankrupt as it is possible to get.
Thirdly, there is the dogmatic moral arrogance of feminism. Anyone who dares to ask questions is pilloried as a misogynist. This is a deliberate tactic used to suppress debate and silence criticism. Naomi Wolf recommends that dissenters should be subjected to female psycho-social violence around the middle-class dinner table. At every social gathering, the unfortunate victim will be subjected to scorn, filthy looks and verbal abuse until they cave in and stop disagreeing with feminists. This is an openly totalitarian mindset. It is the middle-class equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition. This behaviour can have real and very severe consequences, including the breakup of relationships and damage to people’s mental health. For some reason, feminists seem to think that they are immune from scrutiny or criticism. Such attitudes simply cannot be accepted in a democracy.
Lastly, feminism is a modern-day religion, and its adherents act like any other religious believers. They dare not question the Holy Writ for fear of excommunication. They hold established religious ideas in sacred reverence. Anyone who does not do so is a heretic or an infidel. They create cults of personality around significant past leaders, whose wisdom cannot be questioned. This religious mindset is anathema to free intellectual enquiry, which, again, makes for very poor theory. Once a bad idea has become established, it is very difficult to displace it.
Feminists are not fulfilling their responsibilities towards the wider society because they simply do not believe that they have any; they believe only that society has responsibilities towards them. I don’t have to do anything, I’m already perfect. It is a cult mindset which strokes the ego of insecure and dysfunctional women.
It is long past the time when this bizarre cult must be openly challenged.
Hey I found Denise on youtube….
Joe Rogan in Las Vegas. This is the original video.
And more of Denise
Some feminist criticises Joe’s stand up act about his impressions of dumb girls and then tries to convince him how she’s so much smarter and different than other women. Joe tells her how it be!
Have Anti-Father Family Court Policies Led to a Men’s Marriage Strike?
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
Kathleen is attractive, successful, witty, and educated. She also can’t find a husband. Why? Because most of the men this thirty-something software analyst dates do not want to get married. These men have Peter Pan Syndrome–they refuse to commit, refuse to settle down, and refuse to “grow up.”
However, given the family court policies and divorce trends of today, Peter Pan is no naive boy, but instead a wise man.
“Why should I get married and have kids when I could lose those kids and most of what I’ve worked for at a moment’s notice?” asks Dan, a 31 year-old power plant technician who says he will never marry. “I’ve seen it happen to many of my friends. I know guys who came home one day to an empty house or apartment–wife gone, kids gone. They never saw it coming. Some of them were never able to see their kids regularly again.”
The US marriage rate has dipped 40% over the past four decades, to its lowest point ever. There are many plausible explanations for this trend, but one of the least mentioned is that American men, in the face of a family court system which is hopelessly stacked against them, have subconsciously launched a “marriage strike.”
It is not difficult to see why. Let’s say that Dan defies Peter Pan, marries Kathleen, and has two children. There is a 50% likelihood that this marriage will end in divorce within eight years, and if it does the odds are two to one that it will be Kathleen, not Dan, who initiates the divorce. It may not matter that Dan was a decent husband–studies show that few divorces are initiated over abuse or because the man has already abandoned the family. Nor is adultery cited as a factor by divorcing women appreciably more than by divorcing men.
While the courts may grant Dan and Kathleen joint legal custody, the odds are overwhelming that it is Kathleen, not Dan, who will win physical custody. Over night Dan, accustomed to seeing his kids every day and being an integral part of their lives, will become a “14 percent dad”–a father who is allowed to spend only one out of every 7 days with his own children.
Once divorced, odds are at least even that Dan’s ex-wife will interfere with his visitation rights. Three-quarters of divorced men surveyed say their ex-wives have interfered with their visitation, and 40% of mothers studied admitted that they had done so, and that they had generally acted out of spite or in order to punish their exes.
Kathleen will keep the house and most of the couple’s assets. Dan will need to set up a new residence and pay a substantial portion of his take-home pay to Kathleen in child support.
As bad as all of this is, it would still make Dan one of the lucky ones. After all, he could be one of those fathers who cannot see his children at all because his ex has made a false accusation of domestic violence, child abuse, or child molestation. Or a father who can only see his own children under supervised visitation or in nightmarish visitation centers where dads are treated like criminals.
He could be one of those fathers whose ex has moved their children hundreds or thousands of miles away, in violation of court orders which courts often do not enforce. He could be one of those fathers who tears up his life and career again and again in order to follow his children, only to have his ex-wife continually move them.
He could be one of the fathers who has lost his job, seen his income drop, or suffered a disabling injury, only to have child support arrearages and interest pile up to create a mountain of debt which he could never hope to pay off. Or a father who is forced to pay 70% or 80% of his income in child support because the court has imputed an unrealistic income to him. Or a dad who suffers from one of the child support enforcement system’s endless and difficult to correct errors, or who is jailed because he cannot keep up with his payments. Or a dad who reaches old age impoverished because he lost everything he had in a divorce when he was middle-aged and did not have the time and the opportunity to earn it back.
“It’s a shame,” Dan says. “I always wanted to be a father and have a family. But unless the laws change and give fathers the same right to be a part of their children’s lives as mothers have, it just isn’t worth the risk.”
This column first appeared in the Philadelphia Inquirer (7/5/02).
Glenn Sacks’ columns on men’s and fathers’ issues have appeared in dozens of America’s largest newspapers. Glenn can be reached via his website at http://www.GlennSacks.com or via email at Glenn@GlennSacks.com.
“mankind game”
while wearing hideous half-mask, get suplexed onto bed of tacks. kick out of pinfall and subdue your opponent. reach into front of pants to reveal sweatsock with face drawn on it. put on hand and apply liberally.
a throwback version of WWE game
as seen in the huffington post
lol denise
good luck with that
you do know heterosexual women have relationships with MEN, right?
you can’t possibly be married
i would like to declare my bill of rights as a woman!
i have a right to walk down the street naked and not have men look at me
i have a right to have 14 male friends i go out with without my husband and he has no right to tell me what to do
i have a right to 12 secret facebook accounts
i have a right to get in a man’s face, scream insults at him and challenge him by looking him directly in the eye without being hit
i have a right to withhold sex, my man has no right to withhold money
i have the to gain 40 pounds within months of marriage and cease all attempts to eithe rbe attractive to my man or to at least maintain an appearance he can be proud of in public
HAHAHAHA
you are dumb as a sack of hammers denise
Dana, don’t feed the trolls!!! Just be satisfied that you actually have a hope at a great family life but this fat cow doesn’t.
Dana, how does your husband feel about you spending the amount of time you do arguing with strangers on the internet when you should be serving him? Do you even have children?
anonymous coward
he beats me for it :( that’s why i am so “angry”
any more shaming up your sleeve cunt?
This is the 16 commandments of how to conquer a whore….. my advice would be to try and find a good girl, one who you can be yourself around and who likes you to be sweet and nice…. not one you likes you for acting like a jerk. A girl who wants you to be a jerk has something wrong with her… and the relationship will be useless b/c it wont be happy or fulfilling if you always have to act like a jerk.
Of course… a man should act like a man… nobody likes someone who is emotionally unstable and also its unhealthy in general to be obsessed with any one thing in life… including a woman…. so some of what he says has hints of truth in it.. but its interlaced with extremes and here and there psychotic linings. I agree nobody should be anybodies ‘everything’… and a lot of all of this goes with women as well… once a woman starts acting all obsessive towards a man thats a big turn off as well… and yeah both men and women can get infatiated by the opposite sex acting like a jerk… but in the end both parties are the losers.. the one who gets played… AND the woman or guy that acts like a jerk. So in order to win… avoid those who are jerks (like fake slutty selfish women, and fake ‘alpha’ selfish guys) and find a partner who you can be confident and yourself with and one who will not betray your trust or look to take advantage of your ‘weaknesses’. Find a beautiful sweet nice girl… even though i must say day by day its getting harder and harder to find em! (and i dont want to single out the women… its also really hard for the ladies to find a good man i’m sure)
Intersting that dana and others here, who told me I need to use logical arguments uses only ad hominem attacks and no logical arguments themselves.
Examples of this include assuming I am fat – I’m not – I’m a dancer with a very fit body and a very healthy BMI.
Assuming my marital status or whether I have children or not or that I have married outside of my religion.
Last names do not accurately reflect most people’s heritage given that they are usually passed on paternally. Also, many people choose religions other than those they were raised in without regard to marriage or their parnter’s faith or non-faith.
I would love to know your basic premise on gender roles and society that is the foundation for your support of game.
Specifically, I would like to know how you see this benefitting men, women, children, elderly persons and families.
And as for comparing the human race to the animal kingdom – surely you know that there is a long list of differences in capabilities between human beings and other mammals.
Neuroscience has taught us that there are far fewer differences in the male and female brains than there are similarities — and that both male and female brains are equally capable of learning anything, including relationship skills.
There are tribes in Africa in which women are dominant over men. Determining that one gender is dominant always results in dysfunctional unhealthy relationships, violence, abuse, trauma, health issues, and larger societal problems.
In fact, we now know from medicine that any form of inequality socially or economically results in greater health problems including diabetes, heart disease, cancer, infant mortality, and other serious illnesses. Socio-economic inequality and disempowerment have been causally linked to making people sick.
There are many examples of men and women enjoying passionate, healthy, honest, happy, shared partnerships all over the world right now.
Please, don’t anyone rain on this woman’s ramblings. She is offering an on-going clinical example of Feminist psychology, more clearly than it is usually seen because, one might suspect, of her neurotic fear of normal masculine behavior.
As a result, she feels compelled to invade and defensively force her views upon a venue that is clearly in opposition to them. Her need to control and reprogram the thoughts of others is probably based upon her fear of those thoughts, and her perception that they threaten her fragile worldview.
She would probably be violent, if offered the opportunity.
so we should seek to emulate the gender norms of a tribe or two in africa rather than, say, those of the height of human civilization in history? like rome? victorian england?
uh huh
camille paglia notably said, and i paraphrase, “if it had been left up to women we’d all be living in grass huts”
quod erat demonstratum
why is it that women seem programmed to:
1. defend “the enemy”, whatever it is at the moment
2. fail to connect to dots consistently
3. chop at the roots of the civilization that gives them unprecedented health, wealth, liberty, longevity, comfort and power?
Denise,
In fact, we now know from medicine that any form of inequality socially or economically results in greater health problems including diabetes, heart disease, cancer, infant mortality, and other serious illnesses. Socio-economic inequality and disempowerment have been causally linked to making people sick.
Piqued my interest – do you have any sources/studies that you can reference?
I suppose I should ask the obvious, albeit extreme, question: Do you think a purely socialist (thus, purely equal socially/economically) would have a lower rate of health problems (of the ones you listed)?
Denise,
Also – I’d like your take on the current status of family/divorce law. Most importantly, what is your take on child custody resulting from divorce?
Denise,
One more, can I assume you subscribe to the Duluth model for (domestic/gender) violence?
Has Denise answered any questions about herself yet?
She won’t tell the truth as it will expose her real motives.
I guess one can’t cut and paste from ones own life as they have none…
The fit dancer thing is a lie.
She is a lie, 18yo living at home with bitter single Mum who has been telling her how bad all men are.
I teach dating and relationships and I teach the young men around her age to never date a female with this moronic, blind, cult like, thinking.
What silly man would want that! Awful!
Think wrongly, if you please, but in all cases think for yourself.
Denise is in the above videos above, these videos are better then words.
I agree with most except some parts of “Ignore her beauty”.
Why never compliment a woman on her looks? I do it all the time – however, only with girls that I am already fucking and who are into me. It does not come off as needy or beta at all. I say it because I mean it and because it is true. Why shouldn’t I?
I doubt that that was the intent on that ‘commandment…”
The point, I suspect, is that one is best advised to ignore the differences in Natural Beauty. That’s quite a different thing from ignoring how a woman maintains the attractiveness that she does have. My own experience is that, as experience grows, one cares more about the character of a woman, how well she can listen and contribute, her degree of security in her own gender (which tends to preclude anger and resentment toward men), her thoughtfulness (rather than her self-centeredness).
I suspect that few women really see themselves as they are, preferring instead to compare themselves to, and guide their development toward, celebrity figures or ideals provided by the media.
“Independence and mutual support are more important
than control. Bleh. Power games. Fuck that noise.”
Idiot.
Life is not a Disney movie. Everything in sex comes down to power relations.
“Independence” and “mutual support” are fictions.
“I feel really really sorry for the men who are reading this, implementing these things, and then thinking that they’ve “found the way” to be happy and still be “manly”.
This “game” is nothing new. It’s called “lying”. Everyone in the dating world has done this for ages and it’s not some dark secret that if you act like an idiot you will attract an idiot. This is exactly what you guys are being taught.”
Yeah well, “game” may be natural and all but it does not come natural to men, either because of genetics, culture or feminist instructions to men on how they should behave (betas, being clueless and not in touch with instinct take this bullshit to heart).
Don’t think there’s anything pathetic going on here. Skills unknown to a man are being taught to him by those that do know skills. Knowledge is being imparted and the true dynamics of things are being illuminated.
Nothing wrong with this.
Is it “pathetic” to teach a child to read because he does not know how?
You attitude is perverted.
Correction:
Yeah well, “game” may be natural and all but it does not come natural to *beta* men
“Sadly, all you are doing is preying on the weaknesses and insecurities of women who would be “easy prey” to start with. Using these methods will surely get a guy laid, but only by a woman who already hates herself”
No just the average woman following her biological, evolutionary instincts.
The feminist female, well-educated females, “emotionally insecure” and “emotionally secure” alike respond to alpha behaviour in basically the same way.
“if you need “pointers””
Yes, betas do need pointers. Get over it.
“You think it’s hard for ANY woman to get laid? Oh you poor deluded fool. I could get laid by a hot of my choosing in 5 minutes.”
Yeah he is a deluded fool for even alluding to the idea that it’s difficult for women to get sex. What a dumbass suggestion.
It’s plain as day that sex is something women can procure with ease and rapidity.
Men have to worry about getting sex and strategy towards that end; women do not. That is just the way things are and there is no point pretending otherwise.
“As a matter of fact, it’s so easy for women to get laid, that’s why men are so angry about the alleged power imbalance in a relationship.”
“Alleged” power imbalance?
Haven’t you just admitted that there is an inherent power imbalance in a male/female sexual relationship?
“We have what you all want…and you have to share stupid rules like this with each other in order to get…what do you call it? Laid.”
Oh well such is life. It’s not a level playing field as you rightly noted. Isn’t it better that (beta) men understand the rules and dynamics at play, rather than stay in the dark, or be informed instead by mainstream/feminist relationship “expects” who fill their head with useless garbage?
“A top notch woman has a BRAIN and some respect for herself.”
She may well do. She will still respond favourably to alpha signals and behaviour, however.
“The predatory methods here are the same a serial killer would use to target their prey except with none of intellectual “selection”.”
Absolute hyperbole.
The strategies point out here allow a man to improve himself. They point out dynamics at play.
I do not understand why women are so threatened by men elucidating the dynamics of the sexual arena.
1. It appears that “realism” perceives herself as a sex object.
2. “Realism” is perfectly correct: ANY woman can “get laid.” But, I suspect that an “assertive and powerful woman” must feel pretty devalued and depressed when the guys that do come on to her in that the “five minutes” at the bar are what is left over when the feminine women walk out with the good men.
3. I also would replace “beta” males with “inexperienced males,” in many contexts. Noting that TV commercials have been for many years courting the activist female demographic by portraying males is fumbling, clumsy, clueless beings that bemusedly accept being pummeled physically and verbally, and that feminists find it empowering to enthusiastically believe such things, it is no wonder that younger or less-experienced males can profit from an alternate and “Realistic” point of view.
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Hey. A few things:-
(1) I tripped over your blog about three months ago and I think it is the shit, the best thing I have read on the internet in many years;
(2) I am gay – but am very keen to know your opinion on gay alphas. Regarding dating this doesn’t matter to me – when I go on the gay scene, anyone I fancy I get, easy.
But reading your site gave the mischievous side of me the desire to see if I could stir some shit on the straight side of things.
I have a theory – chicks have no problem with smelly alphas. What I mean is, although nobody will tolerate BO (and rightly so), chicks have no problem with an alpha male who has bad breath. Your opinions?
I live in Ireland and was spending Xmas 09 / New Year 10 in two rural locations. On both nights I went to “happening” (as much as possible in redneck Ireland) nightclubs. Just out of pure mischief, on neither occasion did I clean or floss my teeth (and hadn’t done so in several days beforehand either). On the second night I placed fresh garlic cloves in my socks and, sure enough, within twenty minutes could taste garlic in my mouth. On the way into the nightclub I chewed some sprigs of spring onion. You can guess … !
On both nights I wore a very butch type of outfit – shiny black leather jacket over denim jacket, denim jeans, black boots.
Anyway, in the first club four women made open passes at me in twenty minutes. I wouldn’t have considered any of them (cos I’m a fag, actually) and went back to my hotel.
In the second club, a really hot chick of about nineteen walked up to me about five minutes after I had entered. She stroked my chin, ran her hand up my leg and stuck her tongue into my mouth.
About twenty minutes later another even hotter chick was with her yenta friend. This chick was a bit drunk but was eyeing me from the moment she saw me. Then she dropped and spilt her money, and fell on her ass. I pushed over and held out my hand for her to get up. I took her up and then pointed to the floor. “You dropped your money,” I said. She looked at it, and looked at me. I stood on the coins, dragged them over with my boot and pointed downwards. She got down on her hands and knees in front of me and picked up the coins, from the floor in front of me, lifting one from the grooves of my boot.
Then she gets up and kisses me on the lips and says “You’re really cool, you’re my best friend.” Right into her face I said “have you been drinking petrol tonight?” As soon as I started talking she involuntarily recoiled and wrinkled her nose at my breath but she replied by breaking up laughing and kissing me on the cheek. I then picked her up by the arm and sat her down on a stool. Then I walked away and started eyeing another chick.
She went apeshit. She did everything she could to get my attention, while still trying to pretend how cool she was. She danced out on the floor in front of me, she rearranged her cleavage – short of unzipping my jeans and placing her gash on my cock, you name it, she did it.
Finally, my piece de resistance – eating in her face. I pulled out a packet of cheese and onions crisps (Yanks call them “chips”). These are particularly tasty – and pungent.
She came over and said, “what do you want from me?” I chewed crisps and blew my bad breath into her face. I replied, after a moment, “you to be less drunk – then I might think about giving you a fuck.”
Then I went off.
Talk about an EGO TRIP!!! Rarrrr!
Your site is awesome – talk about teaching some the practice of alpha-dom. Besides, I have always seen the hottest chicks with guys who, as well as doing the alpha thing, have stinky breath. Chicks don’t mind, real men are supposed to smell.
Your opinions? Would you like to include this post in a new blog entry? I think the issue of alpha male odour is very relevant.
Keep up the COOL BLOG!!!
Happy new year and peace to you, from Alpha males (and alpha fag males!!) in Ireland.
After reading multiple posts on your blog…
The way you speak about being alpha & beta, it seems that you suggest that guys will have a variable amount of alpha and beta traits within them that can strengthened (perhaps) by the use of game. Is this a correct assessment?
Also, these forms of interaction are meant for only girls you are interested in?
Would they be the same for a girl you’ve been friends with and are finally interested in (assuming you haven’t completely screwed up your chances by being ‘just a friend’?)
And would they be the same to girls in general? After all, in your post showing alpha traits in movies characters (Pee Wee Herman, I believe) you said “always be in character” so I would apply that to always being an alpha (obvious?) and when there is woman you are interested in, be more so of an alpha (even more obvious?)
Figure this one out if you can?
I once neglected to give a sexy young woman a deposit of my sperm, it was after she insisted I shower before having sex and then neglected to wash me down as I wanted – the chick freaked at this withholding of my spunk.
For the next three days after she would have sex with me where I wanted and when I wanted it. Even in a place where if observed we would have been arrested for well you know what.
IainM
derr dude she is a man-trapping bunny boiler.
MGTOW
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You had me until I read the “never say your sorry” part. I could never date a man that would not apologize, and I only date alpha males…
What did every one of them say,
“I’m sorry, I can’t date you anymore.”
he he he
Hahaha!
This is just basic human phsychology. People want the things they can’t have. These rules simply describe how to execute on that basic human psychology. There’s a catch though. If she figures out doing a mind job on her, the jig is up. You have to be smart about it. But if you are smart, human psychology says you can’t fail.
>>>“Same with other girls after that. When I showed them the sweet, caring, nice guy, they lost interest. The girls I treat like normal people(Which means I’m an asshole to them) are all over me, but I don’t care about them. Would you care to explain to me what that problem is?”
Yup. I’ve always been pretty good about maintaining the upper hand in a relationship. Any one of those girls would have married me, but I didn’t care to marry them. But then I finally meet the girl I do want to marry, and start being the man I should have been to all those other women, and that’s when I lost “hand.” When you lose “hand,” you lose the girl. The 16 rules are simply how to maintain that hand.
I wanna get in them loins girl
Dear Malcolm:
This humiliation just illustrates the validity of the advice I’ve long offered you, which is that you should work harder at writing and spend less time giving speeches. You have a wonderful sense of curiosity, and you have a talent for putting ideas in persuasive-sounding prose, but you don’t have a natural knack for telling truth from falsehood. You need to force yourself to check up more rigorously on your own cool-sounding ideas.
Or get somebody else to reality check your articles for you before they are published. My impression from reading Jay McKinney’s “Bright Lights, Big City” was that The New Yorker employed a staff of fact checkers. Did they get fired in a budget cut? If not, how did they let such an obvious non-fact get through?
The point is that you need to understand your own strengths and weaknesses, and take steps to lessen the harm caused by your shortcomings.
All of these ‘commandments’ (except the one regarding the sex) are red flags that a man is not relationship material. These behaviors are a total repellent, signaling that the guy is not only useless, but that merely having him around would be unpleasant. You are very mistaken.. saying this for your own sake (as I feel you’re still a young man, in his early 20s, someone who can still be helped).. you sound extremely angry, these ‘commandments’ help you exert all that pent up frustration (because you live in a screwed society), but they will not help you get a good woman. But you don’t want it anyway.. right? :)
If ever a proof-of-principal might be needed for the “commandments” under discussion, I would offer the comment of Skadi. Clearly, if they automatically repel women with her viewpoint, then considerable work has already been saved in the weeding-out process. The remaining women are much more desirable, and are worth the time to evaluate.
Likewise. Makes the weeding out process quick and saves the time to look for a nice, considerate (and preferably good looking) beta that deserves my attention.
To my chagrin, I made an error in my New Yorker piece “None of the Above.” In the “Bell Curve,” Charles Murray and Richard Hernstein did not advocate a “high-tech Indian reservation” for low-IQ groups. Rather, they warned that if current welfare policies continued, we would end up having to build high-tech reservations for those with low IQs–which is a very different argument, obviously (although not, if you think about it, any less ridiculous). I regret the error. The New Yorker will be running a correction.
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Yes, anyone who uses the word “poon” seems awfully immature.
@fitz
Argumentum Ad Hominum = inadequacy to reason and engage in logic & indicates that the user of Ad Hom attacks is a poor communicator. Poor communication is something someone would expect of an awfully immature person.
Here, let me help your communication skills with an english lesson.
“poon” clearly a derivative noun of “poontang”
c.1910, probably via New Orleans Creole, from Fr. putain “prostitute,” from O.Fr. pute “whore,” probably from fem. of V.L. *puttus (cf. O.It. putta “girl”), from L. putus, with derogatory sense. But also possibly from O.Fr. put, from L. putidus “stinking” on notion of the “foulness” of harlotry, or for more literal reasons (among the 16c.-17c. slang terms for “whore” in Eng. were polecat and fling-stink).
Further research shows that shortened form poon is 1st recorded from 1969.
fitzrite
to the boundary list of items I never let a woman touch , I add my tools, my work car and the guys only night which happens about once every two weeks or so! Oh and when we go out her mobile stays off! Oh and when I take my son backpacking, hunting or fishing that is a boys only gathering.
I wear the trousers in my house and if she pulls any of that feminist crap on me I let her know in no uncertain terms that she crossed a line. But in that respect they are like children as they will test your boundaries! Perhaps one of her friends or her sister have men who let them get away with all sorts of crap.
It is not that women are smarter than us, but they are more devious, they learn how to manipulate us on thier mothers knees, they watch thier mothers in action and learn and learn well! Women are not thick and a man who assumes that is on a hiding to nothing!
The quality women will size us up pretty quick! For them it is a take it or leave it choice. For the skank though, well they are just not worth the trouble. They will go with any deadbeat that comes along!
I am essentially the same man that my lady decided to have children with all those years ago. In some things I have mellowed but my values have not changed. I read what you say about dignity, I would add self respect to that. We have a saying in the native tongue of my homeland which translated says “a man measures the quality of his character by the intelligence of his woman”.
With Tom Keith’s reputation for liberal slants and support of feminism, and in a venue where the context of the questions asked can be aggressively controlled and where an interview can be culled for manipulated contexts, I suspect that you would be carrying a toothpick to the proverbial knife fight.
The fiction that you would be getting your viewpoint across to a wider audience is just that: one’s audience is seldom open to alternative ideas, when presented by a target easily tarred with the brush of political incorrectness, particularly when the audience comes to that venue in the first place primarily because it reflects their already-established view.
Consider the summary statement at the following website…(you’ll have to cut-and-paste it).
http://catalog.carr.org/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=1A601Q2354N21.184&profile=dial&uri=link=3100038~!1372748~!3100001~!3100002&aspect=basic&menu=search&ri=1&source=~!horizon&term=Keith%2C+Thomas%2C+1958-&index=PAUTHOR
[editor: interesting. so we have clear evidence this guy is an ankle-grabbing nancyboy. i’m tempted to dive headlong into the lioness’s den, but upon further reflection, you’re right. i would be ceding too much control to him to present the interview in a way that assuaged his and his audience’s loony biases.]
These articles are amazing, a lot of help, thank you, I love the dune metaphor on the number XI
Ok, controversial question coming up:
crying in front of a girl. Absolutely not or an effective way of connecting to her? And by crying I mean a tear or two, not woman-crying.
Of course this has to be done VERY VERY RARELY, not more than once or twice during an entire relationship and only after showing your alpha side.
Point being – girls love seeing (sparingly) the soft core of a badboy. Look at Eminem, for instance – bad criminal rapper but who raps about emotions.
Even Rick in Casablanca had some bursts of emotion, and he’s as alpha as they get.
Discuss!
Wow, this is a great list of commandments. Through experience I have found all of these things to be true.
Do you mind if I put a few parts of this on my website as long as I link back to you?
I especially like the “Be irrationally self-confident” rule. Why? B/c its impossible to be a totally rational actor about anything. Theoritically a rational actor knows ALL the facts and probablities that exist in his life, assesses them, and judges himself based on these assessments. However, in the real world one can NEVER know everything there is to know about himself, and the probablites which exist in or against his favor. I’m sure we’ve all heard the quote “The more I know, the more I know there is much I don’t know” So its sort of a toss up on how a person decides to view himself. For all he knows, much can exist in his favor (he could unwittingly have set in motion a events that have saved lives, or even in his own personal life he could have avoided bad decisions which would have rendered himself in state which makes his present state seem awesome in comparision). Be self-confident, or possess a low-self esteem, but know since either judgement is based on extremly limited known facts, either judgment is irrational. So why not make the more posivite irrational judgment?
number 14 the art of female ejaculation
all women can learn to squirt…..
this is not urine nor viganal secretions
In the man the prostrate gland produces prostratic fluid which mixes with sperm during contractions and ejaculates as a combined jism out the uthera.
In women there is a vestigule prostrate gland surrounding the uthera and in some women during the orgasmic contractions, squeezes this gland and a clear fluid squirts out the uthera.
Some women think they are going to expell urine during orgasm as so ‘contain’ their orgasmic pleasure so as to not wet the bed. Others cant control the fluid expulsion and so spontaneously squirt during orgasm.
Most dont believe that anything but urine comes out the uthera and so beleive female ejaculation is a myth.
BUT
If the woman is highly sexually ready to orgasm, and she pushes out like trying to pee just before and during orgasm, she can open the ‘channels’ and prostratic fluid will flow into the uthera.
This takes practice, and the first time is difficult for most, thus the need to be aching to cum. Usually at first barely a spoon full may be discharged, but with practice a woman can squirt up to half a cup full or more.
My wife was a natural squirter and i found her squirt varied in taste according to what she drank… beer as sour, wine was ok but bourbon was sweet and tasty. This is true for guys as well. If you want your g/f to suck you off and swallow drink Jim Beam.
Since divorce I have taught many ladies to squirt.
you will be hard pressed to find this info anywhere else on the net. The trick is have her so aching to orgasm and the trying or pushing to pee just before and during… the more they do it, the easier it is to do it.
after they learn to squirt they may/should/will tell you it makes their orgasm more intense.
definately an art all alphas need to know.
just telling a group of women in a suitable situation… (hens nite?) will get some of them wet and wanting to try it with you later….
Its an ultimate pick up routine…
Totally sweet to know that what I have always done naturally is fully outlined here. Fuck yes!
As a woman, you do everything that ensures you would NEVER get a second date with me (provided I ever gave you a first date… I think my asshole detector would have gone off the second we met.)
I’ve read several of your blog posts just because I couldn’t believe you were for real, but now I realize you are so congratulations, good sir, for being one of the biggest douchebags on the planet!
[editor: i sense a tingle in the force!]
What kind of a woman posts as “Top Model?”
I am an aspiring alpha male and I tell you this I am a super nice guy, did It get me any meaningful relationships or even a good fuck? Nope, instead i got a fat ex gf with the personality of a wet dish towel
Now I tell you this, am I so bad for wanting the best women around? Im like a 6.5 or 7 on attraction meter and you know what the way you ladies talk is that I don’t deserve a 9 or even an 8 b/c of what? The fact i wasnt born a gorgeous male, that is some GRade A bullshit
Guys like sex, get over it even the nice ones are thinking of fucking your brains out believe me. The fact that you don’t even give a guy the time of day unless he is an 8.5 is the reason we go through all this bullshit to win you over so you can see that we are awesome.
Also, just b/c you share this world doesn’t mean you get to enslave men and have all the dick you want, you wanna treat men like sex objects than we treat women like sex objects
when i became single i stumbled onto this shit and it has literally changed my life, I went from comfortable around women to being able to go up to the most attractive girl i could find and get into a conversation, I got a number today actually.
You are missing the point we are young or most of us are, and we arent looking for a solid relationship we want sex and good sex, ill settle down when im in my late 20s, im 21 and am having so much more success with women b/c of this and even regular conversations with anyone has become easier. I am not a nerd, geek, or w/e I have had a gf as stated above and i feel if anything it helps people a lot worse off than i am to feel good about themselves, how can you say that is wrong?
Now I dont agree with half of this bullshit either, but some of this stuff is just the way we interact, nothing mysterious about it, this gives me a chance to entice a really cute girl away from Edward Cullen over there b/c she sees me as funny and interesting
Thats it for my rant, but honestly some women here have to grow the fuck up
Those commandments are a classic case of what the feminisation of society has done to men. They reflect a persona that is the exact opposite of what it claims to be or wants to be. Its that femmy back-to-front lie-to-your-deluded navel-gazing self. Kep it spinning and never let it go. It turns men into malleable supplicants whilst claiming to be the opposite. All for the sake of a sniff, slap and tickle. Addiction to poon and a sense of self that’s based on getting attention and affection and sex. Very feminine minded indeed.
That the need for such a philosophy has a risen in western cultures speaks volumes about how farked up gender relations have become. Humans have been farking for millenia without any such thoughtful nonsense. 16 farking commandments for farks sake. Such thoughtful psycho-babble. The PUAs have at least exposed or at least codified whats been obvious for ever, though hidden by 4 decades of femmy propaganda.
He and his ilk really by cunty manginas, obsessed with cunty matters and dont have the nutz to switch their validation addicted egoes off. Their mommies really done did a magnificently cunty jobs on their PUA sons.
Well, this is an ancient thread. As I’ve read through the website (I’m pretty familiar with Game) I keep wanting to ask the same question–
Tupac Chopra writes (years ago)
“Let’s get something straight. When women cheat, they do it for reasons that fall into one of two broad categories:
1. Her husband is a high-status alpha male. In this case, she will love fucking his brains out, but will emotionally wilt because of her inability to completely capture his heart, i.e., betaize him. He won’t be giving her the emotional closeness she desires as an indicator of her power over him. In this scenario, a woman will cheat on him with a nice-guy beta type to get her emotional fix.”
Well I find myself here. Consistently attracted to alpha men, and consistently, gently, pervasively starved of affection and validation from them. This certainly fuels my attraction. However, the privation makes the admiration of beta males irresistible to me. I often cheat, feel guilty, leave the alpha, and start again. The cycle exhausts me, and is unpleasant for new and old lovers. Is it possible to find a man who satisfies you (in terms of challenging you, exciting you, denying you) and still doesn’t leave you always working and waiting to be madly loved?
I think I’ve just broken all my vital organs laughing.
Lulu,
>>Is it possible to find a man who satisfies you (in terms of challenging you, exciting you, denying you) and still doesn’t leave you always working and waiting to be madly loved?
To put it bluntly, Lulu: You’re fucked. All women are.
THE PROBLEM
The problem is this: You want the alpha; the alpha won’t let you own him; you look for validation from a beta, leave alpha, get bored with beta, leave beta, find a new Alpha.
You design and inhabit the cycle of wanting the Alpha but the Alpha keeping you off balance. Note: This is why you want the Alpha in the first place.
Your problem, to be as succinct as possible, boiled right down to the distilled elements, is this:
You’re female. You’re programmed this way. It’s exactly what your hindbrain wants you to do. Your gonads are complicit. What you can do about it is precisely this: SFA.
1) You’re attracted to the Alpha for the same reason you can’t stay with him.
2) If he gives you what you want, he becomes Beta, he won’t excite the needle on your Alpha Metre and you’ll get bored and leave him for another alpha.
3) If you settle for a Beta – which you will – you’ll find the validation and emotional satisfaction. But the clarion call of Alpha will always, constantly, and irresistibly call you away. You’ll always miss that “spark”, that “chemistry” that you just can’t quite put your finger on.
Welcome to the Cycle of Female Attraction and Romance. Woe betide you and the Alpha should he decide in a moment of profound mental lapse to marry you. Pity the Beta who does marry you, as he will always be a tool.
THE SOLUTION:
There is a natural way out, and it’s this: Time.
As time wears on, as you cycle through the serially monogamous * harems of Alphas and occasional higher Betas, you will age. Alphas will tired of you; you will start to look worn and used, and no longer fresh and delightful to their jaded and easily distracted gaze.
By the age of 30-35, if not earlier, they will have passed you by, and your relentlessly shrinking pool of penis options will start to look awfully Beta.
But don’t worry. You’ll reconcile yourself internally to the inevitable collapse of your sexual market value, as your hindbrain continually downgrades the sexual market value of the men that remain sexually attracted to you. You will then shop around for the highest class Beta you can find, calling it a newfound quest for actual love or companionship or a soulmate. You will find that like all humans, male and female alike, but especially female, you are supremely competent at lying to yourself.
You’ll find validation and emotional companionship. If you play your female Game properly, you might even get your Beta to allow you the occasional tussle with an Alpha-ish reminder male from time to time, maybe a threesome with a hot 24-year old airplane mechanic just out of the forces or a big football player you met with the girls one night. On the other hand, there are always chick flicks and novels and your daughter’s inappropriate but strangely attractive new boyfriend to stimulate the old juice factory from time to time.
MARRIAGE COUPLING WARNING: Divergent Outcomes
Note that said Beta’s sexual market value may in fact be increasing as yours is rapidly decreasing. Watch out for mid 30’s/40’s divorces. A higher beta, once recovered from the shock of being suddenly single, will be off chasing fresher poon faster than you can say Separated; on the other hand, you will be stuck with lesser and lesser betas as the cycle continues.
* Monogamy not guaranteed. See under the “don’t ask questions if you’ll be bothered when I lie” clause buried in the fine print of the Dating an Alpha Male contract.
I usually could care less about commenting on articles… BUT…
This article, as sexist as it might seem to most, has a lot of truth to it. I could care less about lists, strategies, mind games ect…or especially trying to read the minds of others or jealousy ploys.
I am a woman…a really intelligent, open minded, moral woman, and I think a lot of these suggestions ring true not only with women as a gender…but people as a whole.
If you can really sit back and read how this article can apply to your daily life, with friends, bosses, co-workers, family etc…you all who disagree and take things too personally, could really go deeper to learn and realize that this is an accurate and well thought out article, with good advice and food for thought.
Well done.
Boldness + Coolness = Sex
Boldness is not being brash, mean, or exuding machismo. Boldness is just being out there that she is driving you mad with desire (or) that you want her. You want her and you’re going to go for it, so do it.
Cool is not fancy cars and garbage. It is being socially cool, funny, fun, interesting, having a life and ambitions, and being emotionally steady. Look and behave like a normal human being instead of a roach bug.
Sex is best if it is A+! Any girl worth doing is worth doing right. Crack a book if you lack experience.
One other thing – IF you have fear or pain with rejection and approaching girls it’s because you don’t believe being bold will get you laid. IF you thought that being bold would get you laid you’d be all over them and the fear would be gone.
It won’t happen every time with every girl. So what. Never give up. Giving up leads to getting nothing ever. That sucks. You can expect to get 3/10 you want. Some guys say those are low numbers, etc. They’re lying because they want to sell you something. Don’t be stupid. Keep your money, stop reading complicated things that don’t work and go get laid.
IF you still have a problem you may have some repressed homosexuality that you need to deal with OR you’re in need of professional help.
Awesome, now you guys have a quick practical, results getting guide to getting busy. I have done my good deed for the day.
You are cool solely for the Dune reference. I enjoyed it.
Holy shit, does this *work*? What kind of woman has so little self-respect that she gets off on being treated like *that*?
@zergonipal: It works usually on gits or slags with truly little self-respect and only a moderate IQ who think they know what they want, but tend to fall for this bull. Also known as “throw aways.”
You’re a cunt. You never got laid so you’re taking it out against women.
Oh, all those lonely nights, eh? Happy wanking!
“This article, as sexist as it might seem to most”
“You published a predictably dull Sexist Manifesto”
Sexism
-noun
1. Men’s view of women unvarnished by delusion.
I´ve read some of the stuff on this website and, being a 24-7 female sub to my SO, find it to be incredibly childish, superficial and lacking any insight in the dynamics of a D/s.
Men with POV´s like these usually are totally afraid of women, and cant get a date without blowing themselves up in order to hide the fact that they have nothing to offer.
Dream on and happy wanking.
For that probably is all you´ll ever get.
I’m a very grown woman in my 40’s and I totally agree with this list.
When a man varies off the rules he becomes so boring and that’ a sex killer.
Wow, this guy is so off track I can’t believe we are living on the same planet…except, of course, for #14 – that one IS good advice.
>>“Also assholes and selfish pricks get laid more than you do by different women.”
You men are so clueless. Women like men IN SPITE of the fact that they are “assholes” NOT BECAUSE OF. <>Men could care less if he was the only one on earth who found a woman attractive. If it turned him on hed be happy. This outlines a fundamental difference between the ways men and women value the other sex. Women’s views of men are heavily influenced by what other women think of their man. <“Women like strong men with lots of heart, not weasels.”
Alphas, not betas. Right. We’re clear on that.<
That's the problem. A real alpha is a real man and is good looking (to her), successful and kind and finds the woman he loves, commits to her and is a father to his children and is able to maintain a loving and sexual relationship with his wife who is too emotionally and physically connected to him to even think about cheating.
Sadly, there aren't many real alphas around. And the teachings of CR et al are not about teaching men to be strong or have heart, they are teaching men to basically be dogs and leave a trail of damaged women in their wake. That's going to be so great for society…
“You men are so clueless. “
Oh mother, where wert thou??
“Women like men IN SPITE of the fact that they are “assholes” NOT BECAUSE OF. “
Of course good men make better friends.
Assholes are just so mean in bed.
“That’s the problem. “
Yeah really.Why do they sleep with assholes and LJBF good guys?
“A real alpha is a real man”
like 7ft tall and 7incher
” and is good looking (to her), “
Knows how to make her fall in love by her ears and not her eyes.
“It’s only words and words are all I have” comes to mind
“successful and kind”
oh shit words are not enough, good cash flow required.
finds the woman he loves,”
first signs of betatude..
“commits to her”
becomes a beta
” and is a father to his children”
get cuckolded and raises an alpha’s children without any complaints
“and is able to maintain a loving and sexual relationship with his wife”
takes it up his ass in divorce court, love = money, sex = buthex
“who is too emotionally and physically connected to him to even think about cheating. “
until she started having migraines.
“Sadly, there aren’t many real alphas around. “
Reality is what you make of the meaninglessness of life.
Sadly there aren’t many 10s around too.
“And the teachings of CH et al are not about teaching men to be strong or have heart, they are teaching men to basically be dogs and leave a trail of damaged women in their wake. That’s going to be so great for society…”
So great for the society? hahahaha
Lady read around, he might not teach men to be “strong” or to “have a heart” but he does teach them to have an ego when it comes to women.
Women love egos, for they have none themselves; aren’t they self-declared selfless fairies?
The points you mention are good in theory but you don’t know how to put it in practice.Be strong, how? By breaking your neck? Be a real man? How? By following your advice?
Laughable.
Read about LTR game and see how game helps in “and is able to maintain a loving and sexual relationship with his wife”, which are not mutually exclusive for women, but one and the same.
Otherwise you’d look like a catholic schoolgirl walking into a brothel and telling people, “hey people, sex is bad for your journey towards God”.Jesus will save your soul.
You are at the doors.Walk away or join the whoredom.
>“Women like men IN SPITE of the fact that they are “assholes” NOT BECAUSE OF. “
Of course good men make better friends.
Assholes are just so mean in bed.<Yeah really.Why do they sleep with assholes and LJBF good guys?>Read about LTR game and see how game helps in “and is able to maintain a loving and sexual relationship with his wife”, which are not mutually exclusive for women, but one and the same.<>“successful and kind”
oh shit words are not enough, good cash flow required<<
Successful isn't necessarily about cash. It's about drive and ambition. You know, traits one may want future offspring to have.
Though pregnancy is the biggest risk to women physically and financially (and I don't know a single woman who is better off financially after having a baby except welfare teenage mothers I read about in the papers), of course they want a father for their child who can provide for them during that time instead of a guy who only has sweet words. That doesn't make them a whore, it makes them a responsible mother.
Ignore last post, I typed a whole load of stuff and it didn’t post properly.
I can’t be bothered to retype it all but a key point was that the sex and the LJBF is really not about being nice or an asshole. And the biggest natural alpha I know happens to be one of the nicest people I know who would never get LJBFd.
I’m all for guys learning a bit of game but don’t go through life bitter and twisted thinking all women are whores and some woman’s going to cuckold you or run off with your money. That would be like women saying all men are dogs who will leave her when she’s pregnant or shag her sister. What’s the point going through life thinking like that?
Lily you are too naive or too knowing.
Unfortunately there is no way to know with women, just the probability for naivete seems to be greater to me.But who knows, maybe their worldview is derived from their immediate social circle and they are absolutely correct in that assessment.
I watched the Criminal Minds pick up episode last night online. If you watch that show, Dexter Morgan is a natural alpha and he comes across as loving women, he’s so much more attractive than any bad boy could be. And he seems like a nice guy not an asshole yet no sane woman would LJBF him. The pick up artist is a joke compared to him. The bit where Spencer (the geek type) learns a bit of game (thankfully via Dexter not the PUA) is absolutely gold. He’s exactly the type of person who’d get LJBFd in real life, NOT because he’s nice but because he’s a bit dorky looking and if he ever talked to a girl would start talking about statistics or star wars.
[editor: if he’s talking about star wars then he’s getting LJBFed because he’s too nice and dorky, iow, he’s getting no pussy BEING HIMSELF. if spencer started acting more asshole-y he would see his success rate with women skyrocket.]
But give him a bit of confidence and skills and he’s amazing. He didn’t even need a makeover because his whole being is transformed and even his dorky looking satchel becomes a cute thing.
It isn’t the niceness, it’s about the confidence. I read something similar Neil Strauss wrote on his blog.
[confidence and assholery are two sides of the same coin. the difference is one of degree, not kind.]
Obviously there must be a subsection of women who like bad boys because they treat them badly and LJBF nice guys. But that’s it, a subsection.
[it’s a very large subsection. and it usually includes the hottest girls in their prime.]
Polymath, I don’t know if you’re still reading this thread, but that advice you gave Lulu was excellent. There are loads of great guys out there who are a combination of alpha and beta and I think where many women go wrong is not dating a wide enough pool. And once we sleep with someone, we get bonded to them and justify a commitment to see it through.
Lily
I think what you might be trying to say is similar to what I said in the comments to this post on Ulysses’s site, am I right?
http://hiddenleaves.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/the-expectations-of-mean-vs-the-realities-of-nice/#comments
I have a theory that although some women are attracted to bad boys because they want to be treated badly, some women are just attracted because bad boy traits mirror or give the impression of some non-bad traits that betas lack, these women don’t actually want to be treated badly, they just misjudge the man. If we could identify these traits then we could create an uber race of men who were not shits, but not betas either…
I don’t think this applies to all women though, some women really do just like badness, it is a non-negotiable characteristic where they are concerned.
I have to go back to work now so don’t have time to explain it in full, but you might like to look at the comment in italics above in the context of the entire discussion on that post, I was making the point that bad boys can appear to be very honest, self-confident & their own person, this is appealing to women in contrast to the usual beta traits. However often this is deceptive, or they have other characteristics which cancel out the benefit of the ones above. It doesn’t seem to me that the good characteristics above are necessarily in conflict with integrity, a lot of women (not all though) would find this combination even more appealing.
“Dexter Morgan is a natural alpha “
Hahaha Lily, I replied because of you mentioning this show.
His trichotomy of alpha,beta and omega are based on poon found by the man.Under that Dexter is perhaps a greater beta.In real life he won’t find good-looking damaged women to take care of and will be ranked lower.
Vox’s classification is better if you want to separate them by traits.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/05/explaining-sigma-again.html
Dexter Morgan is a sigma male trying to fit in society.The appearance he gives off is a creepy omega one unless women are intrigued enough.
Sigma males are the best bad boys that women should like, a pity that sigma males don’t care and don’t display enough.And they especially don’t do so for females.
Living in a predominantly male institute in a hostel with a circle of 6ft and over males has been a good vantage point for me to observe these differences.
Some of them were the proverbial good guys; some alpha in their demeanour, clamouring for leadership.
There was perhaps only one sigma and boy, was he the envy of guys for his attitude.Guys would talk about him like crazy girls chatting over the star quarterback.
Girls had never heard of him, for sigmas don’t attend classes and don’t care about gatherings, the only one who made contact with him declared her love for him.A pity that she was on the heavier side and engineering gals are generally not that hot-looking.
Interactions between alphas and sigmas and what men and women feel about them are a treat to observe. Women love or hate alphas and are indifferent to betas; most men feel the same about sigmas what women feel about alphas.
Alphas generally roll on their credentials in addition to their personalities, sigmas roll on their personality alone.
Howard Roark is a good example of sigma male.
“It isn’t the niceness, it’s about the confidence. “
Bad boys just have that extra bit of confidence because they are ready to break the rules.Women like a man that can be bad but they like to keep that badness under their control.They think they can with thugs, but they end up being abused.
“Obviously there must be a subsection of women who like bad boys because they treat them badly and LJBF nice guys. But that’s it, a subsection.”
The “good” women do so.
The problem is that definitions of “nice”, “love”, “friendship”, “good”, etc are so different between men and women that one could make out a case that they are different species altogether.
There are loads of great guys out there who are a combination of alpha and beta and I think where many women go wrong is not dating a wide enough pool.
LOL
sdaedalus, yes similar lines. I was reading something that had a part on players (the whole reason I started reading up on Game and PUA was because of being involved with a player after coming out of a long relationship, I had no idea stuff like PUA existed) and I think that actually the so-called ‘good girls’ are more likely to be duped.
I know quite a few player types in a wider circle of acquaintance and they are all pretty nasty characters (I think the scene must jade everyone?) but one is absolutely lovely. And he’s always honest with women about his nature e.g. that he can’t imagine being faithful to one woman and he doesn’t seem to have less women than the others. If anything, he seems to have a greater success.
You should have a look at Hidden Leaves (another commenter, Grerp, has a similar outlook I think) and also on Seasons of Tumult & Discord for discussion of this issue.
I agree that the guy you mention appears to have a good ethical code, some men are just not able to be or are happy being with with one woman and that is just it, all we can ask for is honesty.
I hope though he is just pointing out his lack of fidelity in order to be honest & not playing it up as a tactic to draw in women in the hope of reforming him (of course, it’s hard to have sympathy for such silly women).
It wouldn’t be advisable to fall for a guy like this though, even if he was being genuinely honest without any ulterior motive.
Lily,
Thanks.
SD,
Yes, I have made this point in detail elsewhere on this blog — many asshole traits and bad boy traits are easily detectable markers for really valuable qualities, so there has been evolutionary pressure for them to be exhibited even by men without the corresponding good qualities because of corresponding sexual-selection shortcuts in the female wiring. In previous societies being an asshole or truly bad got punished more reliably (the relatives and friends of a P&D’d girl would kick the crap out of the seducer) but nowadays there’s much less constraint on being an asshole or a bad boy.
@Polymath
It’s a good point.
I actually think quite a few (not all) assholes don’t really have these qualities at all, they just give the appearance of having them i.e. their “honesty” is often not full honesty, they will be honest as part of holding out the promise of reform, they are not necessarily independent thinkers at all (they may not care what society in general things, but they damn well care what their other asshole buddies think) and they are often not that confident in themselves really.
I agree with Lily that your advice to Lulu was excellent. I wonder did she take it? It would be interesting to know how she got on.
PS Namae Nanka, if you see a Sigma anywhere, will you send him over in the direction of my blog. It may be my only hope.
To save you from Mr. Player? Indians don’t make for good Sigmas not to mention we live too far away.
Finding sigmas online is, well, absurd.Good luck.
Was making joke, sigh, based on the fact that the idea of “sending” a Sigma anywhere is an oxymoron.
Damn, you literary chicks are scary.My future looks bleak.
@namae nanka
Damn, you literary chicks are scary. My future looks bleak
Then there is a very simple solution. Stay away from scary literary chicks.
But please don’t do that as I’m sure we would miss you.
Congrats on the new blog btw. I feel for the girl in your story.
went ahead to pet a cute dog, turned out a fesity cat;
don’t blame me oh lord, i’m yet as blind as a bat.
So a customary “Thank You” is in order or are you still joking?
Not joking at all, although I can bark & even snarl when suspecting attack, I really do like the blog, and indeed the poem. Re customary thank you, you’re welcome.
well well,
the leash has been set, friends have been made,
long walks on the beach, we’ll sleep in the shade.
A genuine thank you then, I hope to get better.
is this a piss take?
Haters gonna hate.
That is all.
[quote] That has got to be the biggest load of crap I have ever read. I’ve had more women than I can count, and have now been in a happy, loving relationship for four years. You rules don’t mean you have “game” – they make you a selfish prick.[/quote]
To quote a comment from an entirely different blog simply because I loved it so much: “it’s common knowledge that PUAs aren’t getting any. ” Haha- to evidence this, see one of the first comments down, the guy who never even touched the girl he’s in love with and is a fan of this PUA stuff. Funny really.
Even though a few of these rules ring true- in *a way*- they twist reality into a misogynistic, infantilizing, oxymoronic, juvenile rehash of a mess that any socially adept, charismatic, non-social cripple, sees beyond and laughs at in Point Zero seconds.
According to these teenage D&D-playing, WOW-fantasy virgin-engendered fallacies, no credit can ever be given to a woman in the world of these pathetic rejects, composed of mainly oxymoronic scenarios never experienced by them- women are supposedly ‘irrational’ and ‘uncontrollable’- yet desperately want to controlled. We want to be in an inferior position and yet want to work through the challenge of ‘winning’ a man. Jealousy excites us, but enrages us. We want to only be tangential to him, but we get jealous. None of it makes sense- there is the merest touching on the bare bones of an outline here- no real understanding. That is alright as far as most of us are concerned, but the misogyny where there is no heed for women’s positives is just… pure pathos.
If woman’s alleged nature as outline above is such an irrational and inane, self-defeating, inferior, purposeless thing, are you not even open-minded or creative enough to allow for the possibility of there being some reasoned or logical motive behind these tendencies? Some possible evolutionary advantage to amping up the drama such as testing relationship strength or motivate bonding or teaching relationship skills? (Rare) Wilful subjugation to the man’s life as a sacrifice or a benefit or a bonding technique? Do we get no credit for anything positive?
Not in this misogynist worldview. It’s nice to know a collective misogyny is still alive and well..scuttling along the bottom of something…somewhere
[quote] That has got to be the biggest load of crap I have ever read. I’ve had more women than I can count, and have now been in a happy, loving relationship for four years. You rules don’t mean you have “game” – they make you a selfish prick.[/quote]
To quote a comment from an entirely different blog simply because I loved it so much: “it’s common knowledge that PUAs aren’t getting any. ” Haha- to evidence this, see one of the first comments down, the guy who never even touched the girl he’s in love with and is a fan of this PUA stuff. Funny really.
Even though a few of these rules ring true- in *a way*- they twist reality into a vagina loving, infantilizing, oxymoronic, juvenile rehash of a mess that any socially adept, charismatic, non-social cripple, sees beyond and laughs at in Point Zero seconds.
According to these teenage D&D-playing, WOW-fantasy virgin-engendered fallacies, no credit can ever be given to a woman in the world of these pathetic rejects, composed of mainly oxymoronic scenarios never experienced by them- women are supposedly ‘irrational’ and ‘uncontrollable’- yet desperately want to controlled. We want to be in an inferior position and yet want to work through the challenge of ‘winning’ a man. Jealousy excites us, but enrages us. We want to only be tangential to him, but we get jealous. None of it makes sense- there is the merest touching on the bare bones of an outline here- no real understanding. That is alright as far as most of us are concerned, but the vagina loving where there is no heed for women’s positives is just… pure pathos.
If woman’s alleged nature as outline above is such an irrational and inane, self-defeating, inferior, purposeless thing, are you not even open-minded or creative enough to allow for the possibility of there being some reasoned or logical motive behind these tendencies? Some possible evolutionary advantage to amping up the drama such as testing relationship strength or motivate bonding or teaching relationship skills? (Rare) Wilful subjugation to the man’s life as a sacrifice or a benefit or a bonding technique? Do we get no credit for anything positive?
Not in this vagina loving worldview. It’s nice to know a collective vagina loving is still alive and well..scuttling along the bottom of something…somewhere
Well if ya check out my last posts on hank moody chump you can see for over a hundred years woman have been looked at as those poor poor dears and given whatever they want. So you really have no basis for anything do you?
Stupid cunt.
Well if ya check out my last posts on hank moody chump you can see for over a hundred years woman have been looked at as those poor poor dears and given whatever they want. So you really have no basis for anything do you?
Stupid cunt.
Spoken like a truly evolved, educated, intelligent, rational, civilized human being. lmao
“To quote a comment from an entirely different blog simply because I loved it so much: “it’s common knowledge that PUAs aren’t getting any. ” Haha- to evidence this, see one of the first comments down, the guy who never even touched the girl he’s in love with and is a fan of this PUA stuff. Funny really.”
oh holy hell, ell-oh-ell
“Even though a few of these rules ring true- in *a way*- they twist reality into a misogynistic, infantilizing, oxymoronic, juvenile rehash of a mess that any socially adept, charismatic, non-social cripple, sees beyond and laughs at in Point Zero seconds. ”
Then he ain’t seeing reality bitch.
“According to these teenage D&D-playing, WOW-fantasy virgin-engendered fallacies, no credit can ever be given to a woman in the world of these pathetic rejects, composed of mainly oxymoronic scenarios never experienced by them- women are supposedly ‘irrational’ and ‘uncontrollable’- yet desperately want to controlled. ”
That’s so perceptive of you.
“If woman’s alleged nature as outline above is such an irrational and inane, self-defeating, inferior, purposeless thing, are you not even open-minded or creative enough to allow for the possibility of there being some reasoned or logical motive behind these tendencies? Some possible evolutionary advantage to amping up the drama such as testing relationship strength or motivate bonding or teaching relationship skills?”
Read around then.
“(Rare) Wilful subjugation to the man’s life as a sacrifice or a benefit or a bonding technique? Do we get no credit for anything positive?”
No, zilch, nada.
“Not in this misogynist worldview. It’s nice to know a collective misogyny is still alive and well..scuttling along the bottom of something…somewhere”
And you’ll like to have some, won’t you?
No need to get defensive.
[editor: you might want to look up the definition of the word defensive.]
I mean sure, I got defensive too, when after 7 years of “game” I woke up thanks to some “naturals” i was fortunate enough to wake me up.
[did they wake you up with a little morning poke in the poop pucker?]
I protested and was defensive too. So I understand.
[i understand you have some human egg white dribbling off yer chin.]
There are 3 excuses “gamers” use to defend game, once it starts falling apart, and they start seeing they’ve wasted a bunch of time on a false premise. Its hard to admit you’ve invested a ton into a belief-system, only to see its been a big myth.
[a religion is a belief-system. game is based on scientific rigor and actual real world field testing. as soon as a game tactic stops working, it is jettisoned for something more effective.]
One of those 3 excuses, self-defense mechanisms is the “well sure, I’m not getting any, but its a matter of quality”.
[where did i say i’m not getting any? you’re putting words in my mouth. but then you like putting stuff in your mouth, former-flamer?]
Well, quantity is a really good way of measuring things in science, as otherwise things are just a set of beliefs or mythology. Anecdotal evidence and subjective “proof” is something that can lead you on a wrong path for years. This is why you want to quantify things and make them objective and measurable.
[improving quality is also a result of adopting game.]
Let’s DEFINE QUALITY then, shall we?
[you are so faggy.]
There’s two ways to define quality.
1) The quality of the women you get (How many quality women you got)
a) An average guy gets 7s and 8s on pure luck (about 1-2 every 1-2 years), simply because he waits for things to happen on their own
[cite.]
b) A wannabe player, who plays the numbers game, and just approaches like crazy, drunk. He plays the numbers game and just keeps going till one says yes. Can approach as much as 200 women a week. This guy tends to get about 3-4 women a week, and by pure randomness as much as 1 of those (or 2-3 a month) are quality women. Simply by numbers game.
[my number of approaches went down after i learned game because each one of my approaches became more effective.]
c) Now, how about you? In the 3 years of hundreds of posts on game…. How many TENS have you had? Let’s say this is the number x. Is this higher than the number of mr. numbers game?
[wouldn’t you like to know.]
NOW… What you might do… is say… Well you’re still focusing on quantity… Since you’re measuring how MANY 10s I’ve had (bla bla bla bla bla.) Cool. That’s why we have a second way of measuring quality. The supposed quality that game provides.
2) The quality of results
Now, another way to measure if game is really anything more than a numbers game, can be measured either by total amount of quality women OR (if you want to excuse), can be measured by actual conversions.
[now you sound like a faggy nerd. no wonder you’re celibate.]
a) A perfect system would convert 100% of time, wouldn’t it? But perfection doesn’t exist. So we need compare systems to systems.
b) A numbers-game guy, or even a so-called “beta” will tend to get at least 10% to end up in make-out, and 5% in a lay. (you know phone numbers don’t count, they’re handed out as candy, and don’t mean anything).
[cite.]
c) You have what? Three hundred posts on game. It’s safe to assume you’ve then at least gamed 300 women. If you’ve not gamed 300 women, you’d be a hypocrite to write 300 posts on game (I’d say 10 women per posts is more honest, but whatever). Now, answer on the inside of your head. Its hard to admit this public-ally… **Have you had more than 30 makeouts this year? Or more than 15 lays?***
[it amuses me to watch you twist in the wind begging me to give meaning to your stunted existence and a tickle to your testicles by revealing some juicy data on my sex life. but hey, keep asking, i’m sure it’s cathartic for your beta soul.]
This is me assuming you’ve “gamed 300 women”. If you haven’t even gamed 300, then that makes 300 posts teaching game a bit hypocritical.
[i’ve only gamed one woman. and she wants you to know that dropping off your dirty undies on mothers day is not going to happen in her house any more. you make your poor mother cry!]
If you’ve gamed more than 300 (I doubt it, its easy to see through your lack of real world experience, you’re just regurgitating KJ theory)… But if you have actually gamed more than 300 women… Note “gamed”, not just approached and ejected in 5 minutes… If you’ve gamed more than 300 women, simply divide by actual makeouts and lays and see if its higher than the numbers-game guy. That would mean you have a higher quality system.
[do you frantically pull your pud to a teary-eyed finish when you read my posts?]
Again you can go “oh but its not about the quantity bla bla bla” Sure. But we’re discussing quality of game here. Based on what actual effect it has.
[blubbering after orgasm is not going to win the ladies, son.]
Making women giggle is not a result. Interpreting a woman’s action as “Oh I amped her attraction up” is just subjective interpretation. The only way to truly measure results in an objective way, where you can mislead yourself, is actual measurable things. Quality can be measured in conversion. If game has higher quality than simple numbers-game, then it would be easy to measure and demonstrate.
[you’ll just have to take my word for it.]
Again, its very easy to get defensive on this. But no need to even publish my comment. Its just to put a new though in your head, for you to ponder. Just answer the questions in your own head.
[it’s always about head with you former-flamers.]
p.s. – This is the first time I ever post here. You can see my IP and compare it to whomever you’re confusing me with.
“””game is based on scientific rigor and actual real world field testing.”””
Prove it. A scientific experiment would involve the following:
– You get a guy to approach 100 girls with one opener
– You get a guy to approach 100 girls with another opener
Compare which one gets more makeouts. Now, this is assuming one guy gets a 10% rate, and the other 2%, in that case a sample of 100 would be enough. Then it would be a scientific experiment to claim “opener x, gets you more makeouts”.
Now here’s where it gets dicey. If you claim that you need to use opener A on tens, and opener B on eights (which gurus claim for example)… You would need to have split-test on some 1000 girls to get closely to scientifiic rigor. Because the complexity just got upped because of the double factor.
Following still?
If you then make some 10 claims, which is unheard of by game-standards. You’d need to test on hundreds of thousands of women.
And game-gurus continually make hundreds of claims (if x, than user opener y, and then if she says abc, then you say dgh, and if dgh goes z, than you say bup…) etc…
That complexity, would only be testable if said guru had a 100% closing rate. In order to make all these claims of (if x, than y) which introduce hundreds of factors… You’d need to test on hundreds of thousands of women to make those claim.
Now take into consideration that gurus ACTUALLY only have a 2-5% approach-to-lay ratio, and the “science” BS falls apart completely. There aren’t enough women on the planet to “scientifically test” these claims.
– Mystery claims a 10% phone number to lay ratio. And he only gets 1 number out of 5 chicks.
– Paul Janka is at 11%, phone to lay ratio and claims no guru is above 11%
– Tyler Dyrden simply states a 1% approach to lay ratio.
**Basically** – Its entirely based on anecdotal evidence, placebo, wanting to believe something works. Interpreting women’s reactions as success… And most of all rationalizations.
The two types of rationalizations are:
1) I don’t get laid with tens, even though I’ve known about game for 4 years because… (insert rationalization), but game works! Its just me!
2) Naturals get laid by breaking every rule of game because (insert rationalization), but ya, game is true! Fuck exceptions who prove otherwise.
Again, I do NOT expect that you diddle my taint today. If you did, that would be a big turn-on for me. Its way too much of an orgasmic euphoria to let it last all night. I just want you to plant your seed in my rectum, and if I can shorten my colon by a few meters, I’m happy.
[editor: such bracing candor! your journey to the flamer side is almost complete.]
P.s
“and a tickle to your testicles by revealing some juicy data on my sex life. but hey, keep asking”
As I said from the very first post and paragraph. I do not expect or want you to answer this out loud or public-ally. I didn’t even expect (nor desire) you to publish these comments.
If you simply ask these questions to yourself, I’m happy. This will start the process of questioning and skepticism. You’ve never questioned game. You’ve always sought “evidence” to prove and believe that it works. You want it to be true. You’ve never seeked evidence it isn’t.
If you turned on the same BS-detector you have for feminist lies (they also say all their claims are “scientific” as well. You know full well what BS pseudo science feminist claims are…). But if you used the same skepticism *on game* that you use on feminist BS… I’m not sure how long it would stand up for.
I would recommend deleting/unapproving my comments, as they’re directed at just you and your conscience. Not too many people have seen them yet. I’m done :) Good luck.
[editor: nope. for now, i’m going to let you keep asking as i keep denying you want you deeply desire to know. it amuses me to watch you flail helplessly.]
The naturals are gonna naturally approach woman but the normal guys might only approach a few times in there lives. So if you compare a normal guy to a normal guy who gets into game. It is an astronomical increase in his ability to get woman as he is now doing approaches where before his approaches were close to 0. Then as his experience goes up he might actually understand that woman are diferent and not every woman is gonna be good for him long term. Gives him the ability to have some type of choice in the dating market and a basis for comparison compared to the normal guy who may have none just first woman who says yes he creams his pants not knowing the evil that could be lurking inside his new “love”
So yea the game concept obviously does make quite a diference in a lot of lives.
Regarding Rule #1 – There are other sites telling women not to say ‘I Love You’ first… so who’s right? Please enlighten me
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/12/26/tf.women.say.love.you/
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I’m a woman with maybe a different perspective than most posting here. I’m middle-aged with 2 sons in their late teens. These sites serve a purpose for young guys. My sons are not terribly successful with girls yet, and one of my greatest fears is that they will end up settling down with the wrong girl just because they have had few opportunities to experience relationships.
Gunslingergregi has it exactly right about what this advice does for men:
“Gives him the ability to have some type of choice in the dating market and a basis for comparison compared to the normal guy who may have none just first woman who says yes he creams his pants not knowing the evil that could be lurking inside his new “love”
For girls, attention automatically comes to us if we are attractive and receptive, and as a result we mistakenly come to believe we just do what is natural and don’t play any games. That’s what I used to think, but as I got older I saw it a little differently. I think a big driver behind what guys see as women’s ‘emotional’ or ‘irrational’ behavior is our internal conflict between a raging need for sex and the fear that we devalue ourselves if we engage in sex with too many partners. It makes us a little crazy. I think most of the postings on this site show a real understanding of how a guy makes himself more attractive to young women. Wanting success doesn’t make a guy a jerk.
I haven’t dated in a long time so I’m not sure if these types of rules translate for the middle-aged crowd. I’m curious to know what middle-aged (45 and older) folks think about that, if there are any here!
HuntressDiana, I am female, 54 years old. You asked how these rules translated for the crowd over 45. If I were dating again, I would never go out with a man who followed these rules. I prefer to be treated like a lady, with honesty and integrity.
[heartiste: ya know, i believe you. but you have to realize that your sexual market value has cratered, so you no longer take honest men of integrity for granted. in fact, you would KILL for an honest man of integrity to show you some attention (assuming you were single and looking, though even married older women yearn for the days they could bask in the desirous stares of men). but younger women, who have a lot of power over men, can’t swing a stick without hitting a niceguy trying to court them. a young woman in her prime has dozens, maybe even hundreds, of niceguy suitors who would bend over backwards to treat her like a lady. thus, it means nothing to her.
and that is why the 16 commandments of poon are needed: to help men get the kinds of women they really want.]
The kind of women these men should really want are the kinds of women that want the kind of man I described below.
[heartiste: put “should” in one hand and “really want” in the other, and see which fills up first.]
You just don’t get it.
[that’s what every lady who’s had her delusions ripped from her ribcage by a mischievous fucker like myself says.]
Your alpha ego is too threatened to admit that women just want to be treated honestly and with integrity.
[if you ask a woman what she wants in men, of course she’ll say tepid boilerplate like “honesty” and “integrity”. but then when you watch those same women in real life, you notice that’s not what gets their vaginas hot and wet. you see, it’s a well-known fact in social AND scientific circles that what women say they want and how they really behave in the mating market are two very different things.]
It doesn’t matter how old a woman is, her needs don’t change.
[sexual desires don’t change much (i’ve often seen older women still wistfully muse about asshole lovers from their youth), but priorities based on options, or a lack thereof, do. older women tend to screen for niceguy attributes in their dates because they themselves are more expendable and liable to get dumped or used.]
So you take out your black marker and write inappropriate remarks.
[appropriateness makes jack a dull boy.]
And since when has a person over 50’s sexual market “cratered”?
[since the dawn of time.]
Ask anyone over 50, these are the best years of our lives, we don’t have to prove anything to anyone.
[ask any woman over 50 if she is sexually worthless and what do you think she is gonna say?
or: there will be pie in the sky by and by.]
Take me for who I am or get lost.
[how wude! you’re on my turf. would you break into a house and tell the owner to get lost?]
I don’t have to play games or be submissive to the master.
[but you tingle thinking about it. tell me, do old woman tingles flutter effortlessly like in your youth or do they pop and fizzle like a broken toaster?]
My man respects me for who I am, and loves me unconditionally.
[how many 25 year old chicks are making passes at him?]
How old are you, 25? Remember what was said here when you turn 55, ok?
[don’t you know it’s different for men?]
Huntressdiana asked for an opinion, and I gave it to her.
[you give your opinions on this blog at my discretion and consent. never forget that. if you don’t like it, you and huntressdiana can go start your own recipe swapping blog and fume about the baddy baddy badboy at le chateau.]
Your insulting “edit” was unnecessary and immature.
[on the contrary, it was quite necessary. i’ll cop to the immature label.]
Put away your black marker and quit being so defensive.
[not everyone who strikes out at you in gleeful sadism is being defensive.]
You are looking foolish and weak.
[so certain are you?]
as payton kane puts it “romance for a women is chasing a guy with options who barely notices her”
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””””””HuntressDiana
I’m a woman with maybe a different perspective than most posting here. I’m middle-aged with 2 sons in their late teens. These sites serve a purpose for young guys. My sons are not terribly successful with girls yet, and one of my greatest fears is that they will end up settling down with the wrong girl just because they have had few opportunities to experience relationships.
”””
Find some hos for them to practice on. If they haven’t had a girlfriend by late teans that is gonna be a problem. Or maybe they are gay which would probably make life easier for them. Or they might not know what it means to get some pussy. So you may have to expose them to some woman. How could they not have a girlfriend by late teens?
Like they are 17?
Although I am guessing dad is not in picture did the sons see a messy divorce?
Regarding Rule #1 – There are other sites telling women not to say ‘I Love You’ first… so who’s right? Please enlighten me
Whoever wins.
Boldness + Coolness = Sex
Boldness is not being brash, mean, or exuding machismo. Boldness is just being out there that she is driving you mad with desire (or) that you want her. You want her and you’re going to go for it, so do it.
Cool is not fancy cars and garbage. It is being socially cool, funny, fun, interesting, having a life and ambitions, and being emotionally steady. Look and behave like a normal human being instead of a roach bug.
Sex is best if it is A+! Any girl worth doing is worth doing right. Crack a book if you lack experience.
One other thing – IF you have fear or pain with rejection and approaching girls it’s because you don’t believe being bold will get you laid. IF you thought that being bold would get you laid you’d be all over them and the fear would be gone.
It won’t happen every time with every girl. So what. Never give up. Giving up leads to getting nothing ever. That sucks. You can expect to get 3/10 you want. Some guys say those are low numbers, etc. They’re lying because they want to sell you something. Don’t be stupid. Keep your money, stop reading complicated things that don’t work and go get laid.
IF you still have a problem you may have some repressed homosexuality that you need to deal with OR you’re in need of professional help.
Awesome, now you guys have a quick practical, results getting guide to getting busy. I have done my good deed for the day.
Great post.
Each day we are all a little closer to our own demise. Go out there and crush that shit fellas. Whatever it is. Whether getting hotter girls, a better job, traveling, I don’t give a fuck. Just go out there and be aggressive.
I feel like men ignore my beauty a lot, and now I know they’re just doing it on purpose. I feel better now. I was going to go to Jazzercize in the morning, but I think I’ll just have that fourth bowl of gravy now. Thanks so much.
[…] It will show women that you’re exciting, have your life sorted out and your act put together. Rule 3: You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority. Expanding your social circle is easier than you might think, just keep in touch with your friends […]
Hahaha – so “convincing”, rara!! Clearly you have yourself quite the readership – made up mostly of less-than-sophisticated newbies, to be taking this stuff so SERIOUSLY- lapping up your lies right out of your hand! But isn’t it rather like a horse nibbles at a cube of sugar? (i.e. superficial – & largely unrealistic) Quite the scream!
Really, i shouldn’t even bother here – since irony doesn’t seem to enter into these commenters’ p.o.v.’s – but for crying out loud, if this is the sort of “pep-talk” drivel you plan to use as the basis for any kind of real relationship with a woman, you chaps will barely scratch the surface – let alone be satiated sexually… Ha! I can assure you – as a real woman, not fake as above, and a hottie to boot, having plenty of experience with this sort of “Rules” ridiculousness – any female worth her salt will see thru this “tactical” (i.e. insecure, LACKING confidence) garbage a mile off, and instead of the desired results you’ll find yourself attached to an endlessly abusive nag – but hooked, poor sod, on the game rather than on the journey of your life (i.e. a relationship!) since you lacked the GUTS to be REAL… (i.e. a REAL man!)
Trust me, real men don’t read this nonsense – they make their own rules up as they go along, since they’ve got the balls to be themselves and not some cookie-cutter falsely-confident cuckold that this article claims to the contrary… THEIR attitude is, cmon women, i dare you to take ME on – faults, feelings, fuck-ups n all! Only they are having fun dating, believe me – while followers of this fake flak find themselves lagging way behind the field…
Lighten up, boys! DON’T be afraid to show your feelings – unlike this cowardly author, who sees that as a weakness only because he’s weak – hell, don’t be afraid of anything!! Are you men – or wimps? And above all, DO express genuine appreciation for qualities you learn to like a lot in a woman – cuz we ARE suckers for someone who takes the time to see the real sweeties we are inside, dying for a darling to draw it out of us (for untold rewards, i can tell you – just ask my sexy b/f of 8 yrs, we have a blast and barely go an hour together without smiling, laughing – and more…) We women are, after all, human beings and not dots or thumbtacks on some (bitter, lonely) coach’s team playboard…
You’ll find a different sort of response from the girl you’re dating – one that’s far from the contempt this crap would cut, and FAR more satisfying: you might even find happiness… (you’ll never know if you don’t go out on a limb and experiment; if she doesn’t like the real you, she’s not worth it anyway, right?)
thats pretty cool you know how to make your own homemade gravy
I stumbled on to this site, very revealing, and sad.
You gamers have been gamed by social engineering over decades – classic divide and conquer, see the writings of Henry Makow and others.
Study Marnia Robinson’s http://www.reuniting.info/first_visit
to learn about the science of dopamine reward pathways in the brain, and why you are literally a Luv Junkie.
Be wary of Tantra, as it has become a marketing demographic.
Break the cycle of a-dick-shun, transcend the Alpha/Beta trap,
become an Omega.
The Evolution train is leaving the station, be on it, not under it.
XIII:
I had a guy do that to me once. He grabbed me and tried to immobilize me, but lucky for me I’m very strong and he either had hypotonia or was just too lazy to work out. I dumped him, upon which he kept trying to contact me, even coming into my classes in college to plead with me. I warned him ONCE that if he did this shit again I was contacting the authorities. He left me alone.
Wolverine – Trying to keep up with the threads, I’m confused by your comment. What comment does your comment respond to?
I am replying to Commandment XIII.
the 13th unlucky number in roman numerals.
Wolverine – I suspect that grabbing and trying to immobilize you is considerably beyond “inappropriate,” and well beyond the intent of the Commandment. Your response therefore appears to be out of proportion to the stimulus; consequently, it appears that you have unresolved issues of considerable distress. I know of another fine woman who had similar issues, resulting from an actual rape. Recent studies have, however, identified the fact that there are abusers in both sexes; the mode of abuse is gender-dependent, but – contrary to the common meme – can be equally destructive and demeaning to males. Please see a counselor. It is important, too, to at least attempt to avoid so-called “support groups” whose function is – rather than healing – to reinforce feelings of abuse and victimization. I genuinely wish you luck in this.
Thank you for caring, but I wouldn’t say I suffer distress. I hardly need a counselor over some loser trying to manhandle me, and to no effect to.
My point is this ‘commandment’ tells men to touch women intimately if they want to, and if she’s not ready, if she says NO, to interpret this as merely faux indignation.
That’s dangerous because if a woman cannot say no and have that NO be heard, how is she to tell someone she doesn’t wish to go any further? How deranged does she have to get before her NO is taken to mean NO? Is it still ‘faux indignation’ if she is thrashing, screaming, and punching him in the face?
wolverine
does it never occur to you no woman should ever be alone with a man she isnt fully ready willing and able to have sex with?
What nonsense.
People are humans with minds as well as just sexual beings. Being alone with someone doesn’t mean you want sex.
I went on a trip to England with a male friend a few years ago. That’s right, a friend. We did various activities together, saw a movie together, and went to the market together. We also went back to his hotel room to listen to music. At no point did he make any sort of sexual advance, let alone attempt to rape me. Because he is an adult human being with self control and responsibility, not a sociopathic little boy who thinks a working pair of testicles is an excuse to rape someone.
I guess I should stop accepting lifts to martial arts class from my trainer. He is a male, after all? He might rape me. What utter, antiquated nonsense.
“I guess I should stop accepting lifts to martial arts class from my trainer. He is a male, after all? He might rape me. What utter, antiquated nonsense.”
Actually it’s the current feminist dogma, the face of the rapist is not one of a stranger, but a face known to the victim. dun dun dun…
and what’s the point of a martial arts training if the trainer still gives you a lift to his classes, he should rather leave you in the worst part of town and ask you to get back to him in one piece.
“We also went back to his hotel room to listen to music. At no point did he make any sort of sexual advance, let alone attempt to rape me. ”
Well you should have checked if he has any balls in order to be sure, apparently that doesn’t come under the purview of sexual harassment so no danger of getting behind the bars.
On second thoughts, perhaps he didn’t needed the self control. ahem
“People are humans with minds as well as just sexual beings.”
yes yes that’s it.
[…] You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority […]
‘and what’s the point of a martial arts training if the trainer still gives you a lift to his classes, he should rather leave you in the worst part of town and ask you to get back to him in one piece.’
Yeah. Because I have nothing better to do with my time than get into fights with thugs. Take your immature attitude elsewhere, please.
‘Well you should have checked if he has any balls in order to be sure, apparently that doesn’t come under the purview of sexual harassment so no danger of getting behind the bars.
On second thoughts, perhaps he didn’t needed the self control. ahem’
So if a guy doesn’t sexually assault a woman if the opportunity arises, he’s not really a man?
Congratulations. You’ve managed to be grossly insulting to men everywhere as well as carrying on the unhelpful stereotype that ‘real men’ want to fuck everything that moves.
“Congratulations. ”
why thank you, it was a boy and the delivery weight was 8lb 6oz.
“You’ve managed to be grossly insulting to men everywhere as well as carrying on the unhelpful stereotype that ‘real men’ want to fuck everything that moves.”
haha don’t flatter yourself that you made the grade; standards, woman, meet them.
Well done again. You’ve degenerated from having a sloppy excuse for a reasoned debate to merely posting personal insults.
I’ll try again. Why are you of the viewpoint that it’s normal for a man to be sexually aggressive all the time, and that a man who doesn’t make a pass at a woman or worse the minute he’s alone with her, isn’t a real man?
Address the point I made or go kill yourself.
Personal insults? Reasoned debate? Are you kidding me?
“I’ll try again. Why are you of the viewpoint that it’s normal for a man to be sexually aggressive all the time, ”
I don’t remember making such a point, but to answer it, for the simple reason that woman is sexually receptive all the time.
“and that a man who doesn’t make a pass at a woman or worse the minute he’s alone with her, isn’t a real man?”
Your straw”real”man madam. I was giving you the benefit of doubt first, that the problem lay with him. A man turning off his sexual instinct towards a single female, either happens with monks or with homos(not that there’s anything wrong with that)
“Address the point I made or go kill yourself.”
my my aren’t we going too fast.
‘I don’t remember making such a point, but to answer it, for the simple reason that woman is sexually receptive all the time.’
So what did you mean, then, when you said that if he didn’t make a pass at me, he may not have balls?
‘Your straw”real”man madam. I was giving you the benefit of doubt first, that the problem lay with him. A man turning off his sexual instinct towards a single female, either happens with monks or with homos(not that there’s anything wrong with that)’
No straw man there. You actually said:
‘Well you should have checked if he has any balls’
And you are wrong. Men turn off their sexual instincts due to common human decency. There are all sorts of situations where it’s totally inappropriate to come on to a woman. Men behave nonsexually in such situations because they are adults with self control and responsibility. Not because they are lacking testosterone.
“So what did you mean, then, when you said that if he didn’t make a pass at me, he may not have balls?”
That you might be so good-looking that that may be the only sane conclusion drawn from the little story you told. But after your clarification, obviously, that isn’t the case.
“Men turn off their sexual instincts due to common human decency. ”
Yeah that explains the viagra sales. /sarcasm
We are animals, women more so than men and more in tune with their animalistic origins. The common human decency doesn’t change biology.
“There are all sorts of situations where it’s totally inappropriate to come on to a woman. ”
Yes, civilisation requires men to be so.
“Men behave nonsexually in such situations because they are adults with self control and responsibility. ”
How’s it “nonsexually” if they are controlling(inhibiting) their lust? Of course, men know how to contain their lust. Unlike women. Turning off one’s lust isn’t a simple task, and an impossibility for women.
otoh controlling(mastering) one’s lust in a way, so as to dance around social inappropriateness is art.
‘Yeah that explains the viagra sales. /sarcasm
We are animals, women more so than men and more in tune with their animalistic origins. The common human decency doesn’t change biology.’
I didn’t say decency changed biology. I was pointing out that it is quite normal for a man to turn off his sexual instincts in social situations as this would be the decent thing to do.
‘How’s it “nonsexually” if they are controlling(inhibiting) their lust? Of course, men know how to contain their lust. Unlike women. Turning off one’s lust isn’t a simple task, and an impossibility for women.
otoh controlling(mastering) one’s lust in a way, so as to dance around social inappropriateness is art.’
How are you defining nonsexual exactly?
I mean they refrain from behaving in a sexual way because it would be inappropriate to do so.
”””””””namae nanka
How’s it “nonsexually” if they are controlling(inhibiting) their lust? Of course, men know how to contain their lust. Unlike women. Turning off one’s lust isn’t a simple task, and an impossibility for women.
otoh controlling(mastering) one’s lust in a way, so as to dance around social inappropriateness is art.””””””’
Interesting thoughts namae.
Like yea guys at work wearing uniforms to be the same basically. While woman still play dess up and apply makeup even in a work environment even when there is sexual harrasment laws they harrass men with their sexuality all day and also use it to further their interests at work.
So men are not supposed to use their sexuality at work.
Have a ever seen a woman on tv or in congress or in business without makeup?
That just totally hit the fucking nail on the head re bitches at work. They are sexually harrassing men all day to get a leg up and it surely does work.
Women harass men with their sexuality?
Wearing makeup is not harassing someone. You want to see sexual harassment? Try having someone who is bigger than you, making sexually threatening comments all the time, refusing to leave you alone, grabbing you and touching you in inappropriate body parts…THAT is sexual harassment.
“I was pointing out that it is quite normal for a man to turn off his sexual instincts in social situations as this would be the decent thing to do.”
And I am saying that it’s not turning off, but not showing it in order to be a decent looking guy.
Men do turn off their sexual instincts, but the last of the places where it can happen is the immediate vicinity of a female, unless of course the points I made above or the female isn’t worthy of it( “everything that moves” is BS).
“I mean they refrain from behaving in a sexual way because it would be inappropriate to do so.”
inappropriate is a mere way of saying that they don’t have the power/methods to do so.
http://fedrz.wordpress.com/no-maams-greatest-hits/male-and-female-equal-but-different/
“Wearing makeup is not harassing someone. You want to see sexual harassment? Try having someone who is bigger than you, making sexually threatening comments all the time, refusing to leave you alone, grabbing you and touching you in inappropriate body parts…THAT is sexual harassment.”
I read a comment on a thread about ball-tapping, about how that’s not a sexual assault simply because it involves a sexual area, but that it should have a sexual motive behind it too. So if you grab a man’s balls with a playful motive and he doesn’t find/prove a sexual motive behind it(and of course he won’t) then it’s not sexual assault.
For women, even a touch on arm, however can mean a sexual assault, since it can be viewed from her viewpoint as a result of a sexual motive. Even a dirty, lewd look can be said as a sexual assault.
As pointed out in the link I gave above, male and female sexuality operate in very different ways. The thing is, female sexuality is wild and running free, while male sexuality is being constrained more and more and being made dependant on what females want(sexual harassment laws, rape laws etc). If you read around these circles more, you’ll find out why.
I mean date rape should include men who under the influence of alcohol slept with fat girls they would’ve never slept with if they were in a position of giving consent.
‘And I am saying that it’s not turning off, but not showing it in order to be a decent looking guy’
How did this come to be relevant? It’s not.
‘inappropriate is a mere way of saying that they don’t have the power/methods to do so. ‘
No. It means they could do, but it would not be right.
‘I read a comment on a thread about ball-tapping, about how that’s not a sexual assault simply because it involves a sexual area, but that it should have a sexual motive behind it too. So if you grab a man’s balls with a playful motive and he doesn’t find/prove a sexual motive behind it(and of course he won’t) then it’s not sexual assault.’
WTF? Of course it would be a sexual assault.
‘For women, even a touch on arm, however can mean a sexual assault, since it can be viewed from her viewpoint as a result of a sexual motive. Even a dirty, lewd look can be said as a sexual assault. ‘
LOL, any police officer would laugh at you if you reported a touch on the arm as sexual assault.
‘The thing is, female sexuality is wild and running free’
Really?
Remind me again, then, why women and girls are still seen as sluts for having a normal desire for sex, why we are always told that we want love, but not sex?
‘I mean date rape should include men who under the influence of alcohol slept with fat girls they would’ve never slept with if they were in a position of giving consent.’
Drunken consent is consent, no matter whether you are male or female.
“How did this come to be relevant? It’s not.”
yes madam it is for it runs counter to your claim that they “turn it off” or they can “turn it off” or being a mature male adult means “turning it off” when the social situation so requires.
they can’t express their sexuality because it is deemed inappropriate, while a woman can flaunt her sexuality without any restrictions.
“No. It means they could do, but it would not be right.”
might is right. the rules of engagement don’t matter for those who are above them, or know the loopholes in them.
and of course there are no rights and wrongs in a godless society.
“WTF? Of course it would be a sexual assault.”
“LOL, any police officer would laugh at you if you reported a touch on the balls as sexual assault. ”
“Really?”
ya rly
“Remind me again, then, 1)why women and girls are still seen as sluts for having a normal desire for sex, 2)why we are always told that we want love, but not sex?”
of course not related in any way to anything I said, yet,
1) you know it well enough yourself, if you don’t then I am not going to explain something that girls learn in middle school, (of course you are free to go out and earn the label of slut, I am sure you’d find sympathisers too)
2)women are told they want love? lol
women have branded men as sexual creatures and monopolized the love market, now of course love is going out of fashion and they want the sex market.
(on a related note, haven’t you noticed that women are always told, they never know themselves what to do, as if they have no inherent characteristics and yet at the same time want men to have them in abundance.)
sexuality doesn’t merely refer to the sexual act itself, but also includes the pathways of reaching it. If you use your head a little bit, you will realize that female sexuality is utterly liberated, while male sexuality is denigrated more and more each day.(fat women are beautiful too, right , right….)
“Drunken consent is consent, no matter whether you are male or female.”
“Really?”
‘yes madam it is for it runs counter to your claim that they “turn it off” or they can “turn it off” or being a mature male adult means “turning it off” when the social situation so requires.’
Wow so men are permanently sexually switched up, and if they act in a nonsexual manner towards any female, at any time, it’s because they’re restraining the urge to grab her and do something sexual to her, not because he’s relating to her as a person rather than a vagina?
I wouldn’t know, really. Next time I’m alone with a man, I’ll check for pupil dilation and other autonomic signs.
‘of course not related in any way to anything I said, yet,’
Yes it was. You were blathering about how women are free to be sexual while men are denigrated.
‘1) you know it well enough yourself, if you don’t then I am not going to explain something that girls learn in middle school, (of course you are free to go out and earn the label of slut, I am sure you’d find sympathisers too)’
Nice cop out.
‘women are told they want love? lol
women have branded men as sexual creatures and monopolized the love market, now of course love is going out of fashion and they want the sex market.’
Lol. I don’t see this in action.
‘(on a related note, haven’t you noticed that women are always told, they never know themselves what to do, as if they have no inherent characteristics and yet at the same time want men to have them in abundance.)’
I don’t know what kind of women populate your area of the world, but here, we have our own sexuality and we like it just fine. The difference here is that men are seen as sexual beings and that’s okay, but women are seen as sluts for wanting sex as well as love.
‘sexuality doesn’t merely refer to the sexual act itself, but also includes the pathways of reaching it. If you use your head a little bit, you will realize that female sexuality is utterly liberated, while male sexuality is denigrated more and more each day.(fat women are beautiful too, right , right….)’
LOL. Liberated? Only if you’re all about pleasing men, and have no demands of your own.
‘“Really?”’
Yes, unless you are so severely incapacitated you cannot talk, think or move, which is not usually the case.
“Wow so men are permanently sexually switched up,”
it’s the exact opposite as I’ve been trying to tell you, the presence of women flips the switch on. there is a reason why porn sells by truckloads for men but not stupid romantic fiction.
” and if they act in a nonsexual manner towards any female, at any time, it’s because they’re restraining the urge to grab her and do something sexual to her, not because he’s relating to her as a person rather than a vagina?
I wouldn’t know, really. Next time I’m alone with a man, I’ll check for pupil dilation and other autonomic signs.”
sigh of course it can’t go anywhere, so yes men are dicks and hence it’s natural that women are vaginas.
and boobies. and asses. and thighs. and nipples. and ……
“Yes it was. You were blathering about how women are free to be sexual while men are denigrated.”
and that’s the truth but of course you aren’t in a state to comprehend the fact. women are free to be sexual in their own way, men are not. male sexuality != female sexuality
“Nice cop out.”
nice amnesia.
“I don’t know what kind of women populate your area of the world, but here, we have our own sexuality and we like it just fine. The difference here is that men are seen as sexual beings and that’s okay, but women are seen as sluts for wanting sex as well as love.”
that’s because women don’t know the difference between sex and love. and they can’t.
the vagina monster reigns supreme.
“LOL. Liberated? Only if you’re all about pleasing men, and have no demands of your own.”
garble gaggle gargle spituoooeee
you are free to engage in double sided dildo lesbian sessions, as duly noted, it’s the most equal kind of sex possible.
“Yes, unless you are so severely incapacitated you cannot talk, think or move, which is not usually the case.”
Try proving consent with reasonable grounds.
‘it’s the exact opposite as I’ve been trying to tell you, the presence of women flips the switch on. there is a reason why porn sells by truckloads for men but not stupid romantic fiction.’
Any woman? Of any age, in any situation?
I wouldn’t know. I am not a man. I’d like to think men were more human than that, but I can’t exactly comment…
‘that’s because women don’t know the difference between sex and love. and they can’t.
the vagina monster reigns supreme.’
Speak for yourself. You might have met a lot of women who always equate sex with love. Just because that’s YOUR experience doesn’t mean women everywhere are incapable of dissociating sex from love.
In any case, whether women can dissociate them is not the point under argument. It’s still seen as ‘wrong’ for a women to want sex, but love is okay. That is not liberation.
‘garble gaggle gargle spituoooeee
you are free to engage in double sided dildo lesbian sessions, as duly noted, it’s the most equal kind of sex possible. ‘
Well done for the gross non sequitur.
That’s fine if you ACTUALLY are a lesbian who wants to do those things. Not so fine if you’re an average heterosexual girl or woman who has been taught by school and parents that she is a gatekeeper whose main job is to say no to sex when appropriate (preferably keep saying no until age 21 or so) and on the other hand, culture has taught her to be sexy but never sexual in her own right. To please men, but never make demands of her own or decide what she is or isn’t willing to do. Being caught between the ‘gatekeeper’ Scylla and the ‘slut’ Charybdis is not liberation.
‘Try proving consent with reasonable grounds.’
Try proving that is was rape, when you willingly participated in that sexual activity, willingly and actively kissed back, willingly and actively returned pelvic thrusts (sorry everyone) just because you were drunk.
If I hit you when drunk does it not count as assault because I was drunk? Nope.
“Any woman? Of any age, in any situation?”
I wouldn’t know. I am not a man. I’d like to think men were more human than that, but I can’t exactly comment…”
lol if being human means not being sexual, it seems strange that you want to be more sexual. quit it, we are back to where we started and you still seem desperate to try and make the grade.
“Speak for yourself. You might have met a lot of women who always equate sex with love. Just because that’s YOUR experience doesn’t mean women everywhere are incapable of dissociating sex from love.”
women can’t love. they can only be loved. they confuse lust with love, dissociating love from sex is only acknowledging the fact that they can’t love.
“In any case, whether women can dissociate them is not the point under argument. It’s still seen as ‘wrong’ for a women to want sex, but love is okay. That is not liberation.”
argh, it is still seen wrong, it is still being told that women can do this and not that… why are women so helpless? why do women try to prove they can do what men can do and firstly need to be told that they can do it? Do they internalize these thoughts and then are forever bound?
Break free I say, and fly high, up to the sky, where rainbows and clouds meet you and wish you a happy life… la la la
I mean, women must be complete idiots if they were put down for so long only by a man’s words.
“That’s fine if you ACTUALLY are a lesbian who wants to do those things. Not so fine if you’re an average heterosexual girl or woman who has been taught by school and parents that she is a gatekeeper whose main job is to say no to sex when appropriate (preferably keep saying no until age 21 or so) and on the other hand, culture has taught her to be sexy but never sexual in her own right. ”
a man’s sexuality is external, it requires an object of lust, a woman’s sexuality is internal. inherent, to be the object. and in this sense it is utterly liberated in the developed nations. unless you live in a devout muslim orthodoxy, don’t cry about imprisonment of your sexuality.
Of course you can try and make the man the object of your lust and then try to be “sexual in your own right”. let’s see how that goes. if not with men, try with women, lesbianism is in these days, don’t miss the train. or you can try nude yoga and release your inner sexuality, send us the pics if they are worth looking.
“To please men, but never make demands of her own or decide what she is or isn’t willing to do. Being caught between the ‘gatekeeper’ Scylla and the ‘slut’ Charybdis is not liberation.””
again, it sounds your own dilemma, you have absolute carte blanche to be either, of course you’d have to give up something. why do you expect others to change their opinions of you? why do you expect men to think of women different from what they currently do? (assuming it’s men who perpetuate this)
you are liberated, you have the opportunities to go earn money, fuck whomever you want(of course not rape someone), propose to any guy you want, what liberation you want again? you won’t be beheaded, or stoned, or be subjected to any other such barbarity. Then what is it again? Conformation with society’s rules? that they change the word “slut” or not have one? Or bitterness that you are past your prime?
“Try proving that is was rape, when you willingly participated in that sexual activity, willingly and actively kissed back, willingly and actively returned pelvic thrusts (sorry everyone) just because you were drunk.”
and who/what is gonna prove this willingness in the court? a secretive taping of the butthex without the girl’s consent?
“If I hit you when drunk does it not count as assault because I was drunk? Nope”
this is a deeply offensive comment, trying to equate a totally different situation with rape.
no woman deserves to be raped, ever – a feminist.
and you better remember that. :)
‘lol if being human means not being sexual, it seems strange that you want to be more sexual. quit it, we are back to where we started and you still seem desperate to try and make the grade.’
I did not say that being human means not being sexual. Part of being human is self control and appropriate treatment of other human beings.
If a man is honestly that ruled by his overactive sex drive that he sees women as potential fucks and has to control himself whenever he is around them…yeah…that’s closer to animal than human.
‘women can’t love. they can only be loved. they confuse lust with love, dissociating love from sex is only acknowledging the fact that they can’t love.’
Lol…where are you pulling this nonsense from? You are actually saying that women can’t love someone? Bullshit. I don’t need to consult a neurologist to prove that you’re wrong. Ask any woman, anywhere.
‘a man’s sexuality is external, it requires an object of lust, a woman’s sexuality is internal. inherent, to be the object. and in this sense it is utterly liberated in the developed nations. unless you live in a devout muslim orthodoxy, don’t cry about imprisonment of your sexuality.’
Wrong.
Your sexuality might be a certain way. Don’t assume that you know about everyone else’s.
And yes, I will damn well complain about other people pronouncing on my sexuality. Deal with it.
‘Of course you can try and make the man the object of your lust and then try to be “sexual in your own right”. let’s see how that goes. if not with men, try with women, lesbianism is in these days, don’t miss the train. or you can try nude yoga and release your inner sexuality, send us the pics if they are worth looking.’
More irrelevant material.
‘again, it sounds your own dilemma, you have absolute carte blanche to be either, of course you’d have to give up something. ‘
Having carte blanche to be either entirely chaste, or show a complete lack of self respect and be a mere object for men, is not liberation. It’s certainly an improvement on stoning women to death. But that doesn’t make it right either.
‘why do you expect others to change their opinions of you? why do you expect men to think of women different from what they currently do? ‘
Because it’s hypocritical to have one standard for men and one for women. It’s also just plain wrong to demonise someone for having the normal sexuality that comes with being an adult human being.
‘Or bitterness that you are past your prime?’
LOL! I’m 20 years old.
‘and who/what is gonna prove this willingness in the court? a secretive taping of the butthex without the girl’s consent?’
Since when is the onus on someone to prove they didn’t rape someone? Innocent until proven guilty anyone??
‘this is a deeply offensive comment, trying to equate a totally different situation with rape.
no woman deserves to be raped, ever – a feminist.
and you better remember that. :)
‘
I didn’t say any woman deserved to be raped. I’m saying that willingly having sex when made impulsive by the alcohol that you CHOSE to ingest, is nowhere near equivalent to being raped.
‘argh, it is still seen wrong, it is still being told that women can do this and not that… why are women so helpless? why do women try to prove they can do what men can do and firstly need to be told that they can do it? Do they internalize these thoughts and then are forever bound?
Break free I say, and fly high, up to the sky, where rainbows and clouds meet you and wish you a happy life… la la la
I mean, women must be complete idiots if they were put down for so long only by a man’s words.’
Not as simple as that.
Personally, I am a self willed lil bitch and I do whatever I want as long as it isn’t hurting some innocent person. But for other women, growing up with the idea on one hand that you’re supposed to want love but not sex, that you are a gatekeeper not an active sexual being, and then on the other hand the crap from popular culture about how women are supposed to be forever sexually receptive but not make demands of their own, is confusing and damaging.
“I did not say that being human means not being sexual. Part of being human is self control and appropriate treatment of other human beings.”
get the “human” stupidity out of your head, we are animals, what keeps us in line is force and nothing else.
“If a man is honestly that ruled by his overactive sex drive that he sees women as potential fucks and has to control himself whenever he is around them…yeah…that’s closer to animal than human.”
if you can’t see men around you as potential fucks, then you are not meeting the right sort of men.
“Lol…where are you pulling this nonsense from? You are actually saying that women can’t love someone?”
Yup absolutely. do I care for a neurologist to prove me wrong? a woman? Why should I believe the word of one who can’t even know of her own sexuality?
“Wrong.
Your sexuality might be a certain way. Don’t assume that you know about everyone else’s.”
and then don’t assume that you have understood even a little of male sexuality, even after laying it out for you.
“And yes, I will damn well complain about other people pronouncing on my sexuality. Deal with it.”
whine all you want then, internet has infinite pages for you to spill your ink on.
“More irrelevant material.”
:)
“Because it’s hypocritical to have one standard for men and one for women.”
it’s hypocritical only if men and women are same, which they are not. If you can’t see this truth or want a neurologist to reveal it to you, go ahead, wait and wait.
” It’s also just plain wrong to demonise someone for having the normal sexuality that comes with being an adult human being.”
cry me a river
“LOL! I’m 20 years old.”
tits or gtfo.
“Since when is the onus on someone to prove they didn’t rape someone? Innocent until proven guilty anyone??”
wake up and smell the ashes, a right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.
“I didn’t say any woman deserved to be raped. I’m saying that willingly having sex when made impulsive by the alcohol that you CHOSE to ingest, is nowhere near equivalent to being raped.”
alcohol kills free will, if you are a woman. you need to visit feministing more.
“Not as simple as that.”
yup as simple as that.
“Personally, I am a self willed lil bitch and I do whatever I want as long as it isn’t hurting some innocent person.”
then how the fck are you a bitch?
” But for other women, growing up with the idea on one hand that you’re supposed to want love but not sex,”
and I am telling you straight up, that you are incapable of love on account of having a vagina. ain’t I a kind-hearted man.
” that you are a gatekeeper not an active sexual being, and then on the other hand the crap from popular culture about how women are supposed to be forever sexually receptive but not make demands of their own, is confusing and damaging.”
sorry mah lady but it’s what women have wrought on themselves. it’s confusing and damaging because women don’t know their own character and repeat the charade that they are told or they glean off from some man.
what’s funny is that they don’t fcking realize that it’s hard for the men too.
We know what we want, but then committ the foolishness of listening to women about what women want, when women don’t have the faintest of clues.
This site is for that purpose, read around more, you are just 20, much to learn, your own choice whether to burn and then return.
‘get the “human” stupidity out of your head, we are animals, what keeps us in line is force and nothing else.’
We are animals, yes, but we are more than that. We have a highly developed ability for choice, nuanced social behaviour, and learning appropriate reactions to those around us.
‘if you can’t see men around you as potential fucks, then you are not meeting the right sort of men.’
I see certain men as potential fucks. I don’t see any guy with a heartbeat over the age of consent as a potential fuck just because he is a male.
‘Yup absolutely. do I care for a neurologist to prove me wrong? a woman? Why should I believe the word of one who can’t even know of her own sexuality?’
Haha. Who do you think you are?
‘and then don’t assume that you have understood even a little of male sexuality, even after laying it out for you.’
I already acknowledged that I don’t know what it is like to be a male.
‘and I am telling you straight up, that you are incapable of love on account of having a vagina. ain’t I a kind-hearted man.’
Lol. As if you live inside my brain and know what goes on in my emotional life.
‘sorry mah lady but it’s what women have wrought on themselves. it’s confusing and damaging because women don’t know their own character and repeat the charade that they are told or they glean off from some man.’
Wrong. Women usually know what they want just fine. It’s just that society can’t seem to get past the idea that you can be either a saint or a whore, but not a regular human being who has sexual feelings.
‘tits or gtfo.’
This pretty much sums up our entire discussion. I have been making thought out points and you have been talking nonsense and pulling ‘facts’ out of your ass.
I won’t be replying. I am wasting my time here. Talking with you is like arguing with a child who responds to points by crying and calling me a poo head. I mean, you have actually asserted than women can’t love people. I think that speaks for itself.
When you grow a neocortex and human DNA, you know where I am.
“We are animals, yes, but we are more than that.”
I think you’ll make good competition for koko the gorilla.
“We have a highly developed ability for choice, nuanced social behaviour, and learning appropriate reactions to those around us.”
better apes, what of it?
“I see certain men as potential fucks. I don’t see any guy with a heartbeat over the age of consent as a potential fuck just because he is a male.”
what part of “standards, woman, meet them” you didn’t understand?
“Haha. Who do you think you are? ”
an old man and a child.
“I already acknowledged that I don’t know what it is like to be a male.”
then don’t try to make out pointless conclusions with your half-assed intellect.
“Lol. As if you live inside my brain and know what goes on in my emotional life.”
I don’t really need to.
“Wrong. Women usually know what they want just fine. It’s just that society can’t seem to get past the idea that you can be either a saint or a whore, but not a regular human being who has sexual feelings.”
and society is what again? women are society you deluded woman.
“This pretty much sums up our entire discussion. I have been making thought out points and you have been talking nonsense and pulling ‘facts’ out of your ass. ”
no woman you have been merely repeating trite remarks that you learned in your elemenatry classes and when puberty hit you and when finally your teenage angst was provided a letout. parroting lines, are what your “thought out points” are.
“I won’t be replying.”
hopefully you don’t blame this on society too.
” I am wasting my time here.”
We all are.
” Talking with you is like arguing with a child who responds to points by crying and calling me a poo head.”
a poo head is a poo head, duh.
” I mean, you have actually asserted than women can’t love people.”
oh women can love people all right, empathy whores.
” I think that speaks for itself.”
for my awesomeness of course.
“When you grow a neocortex and human DNA, you know where I am.”
yeah whatever, good knowing you too.
Well there’s the worst use of the litany against fear I’VE ever seen.
Very nice article!
I am happily married and kind of out of the dating market today, but reading those commandments I realize that I was fortunate to do almost all exactly this way. Now I have the control of my life and my family.
I believe that one thing that may help (as in my case did) is not to spend any time with “female friends”. Nothing good can come from this. Instead, practice sports, go to a bar or to a football game with your mates and get used to see a encounter with the woman you want as a challenge you may win.
[…] hours I walk her through the park and try a kiss close despite it being an over-reach. Better the inconsiderate arsehole than the polite beta. She refuses and tells me I’ll never kiss her. I walk her to the bus stop and that’s […]
HuntressDiana had the best post on here.
While it is true that he may PRIMARILY be interested in propagating “game” as a means of destroying the liberal state and feminism, his lessons are important for young men.
Many betas are intelligent, good men who played by the rules, studied and worked hard, lived responsibly and found themselves without many dating choices.
A mother who lovers her son will teach him how attract women such that he has a choice and will satisfied once he makes it. Particularly in this piece, a kernel of truth is that the woman will be happier too.
PS: I’m not terribly interested in game as a means of cultural revolution. The little discussed aspect of masculinity is that blood lust trumps carnal lust. As the liberal society becomes more and more boring, the propensity for violence as a simple diversion will increasingly undermine social stability long before the hordes of broken women become an excessive burden.
[…] primarily on the Internet. I believe this is currently taking place in two separate movements: Game and Manliness. These two camps perceive the other in negative terms, with the gamers seeing the […]
Your Dune reference is subtle yet powerful.
Nice blog bro very interesting but seriously….Your Lord and King?
[Editor: Self-promotion is my only weakness.]
this is absolute and horrendous crap. Grow up and learn to behave like a normal human being for fuck’s sake. It’s as simple as that.
Does your Mother know you stole her laptop and made a site like this?
Either way, you should probably get some psychological help…your fear of women is so apparent it’s not going to be healthy for you when you get old enough to date.
Just a tip, Son.
[So much foam and spittle! Oh no, wait.. ya just got a bit o’ my baby batter dribbling down yer chin, there.]
And you have gob’s of my Man batter all over your face, little boy.
Why are these things always written by the mentalists? The original article was overwhelming in its disturbed worldview, ignorance, and moronic woman-hating…and that’s WITHOUT even looking at some of the comments.
Astounding that these levels of veiled (and not so velied) woman hatred and misunderstanding about how to respect and thereby ‘get’ a girl can STILL exist. Go read ‘Stiffed’ by Susan Faludi, and see someone about those mummy issues, for the love of god.
@Dan Blake,
Ok, I read it from that Faludi (by the way, ugly as a coyote):
‘she suggests that the core of the problem is that men have lost “a useful role in public life, a way of earning a decent and reliable living, appreciation in the home, respectful treatment in the culture.” Faludi concludes by exhorting men to stop thinking of masculinity as a quality detached from their humanity: “their task is not, in the end, to figure out how to be masculine–rather, their masculinity lies in figuring out how to be human.”‘
In other words: blablabla.
(Very convenient not to stop the alleged “shrinking” of men masculinity, by the way).
My point is: I don’t think this site is related to the garbage he (oops-she) writes. This site and similars are related to what we men really wants to do and how we want to feel about ourselves. So who cares what this coyote thinks?
Who are you? His (oops-her) text reviser?
Do a favor to your sensible and obtuse “feminine” soul:
Stop reading this and go lick your boss’s boots.
This blog is like the Iceberg Slim version of Stuff White People Like.
there is a groupie for every male endeavor. Except World of Warcraft.
hahaa so true!
I wonder how many lame nerds have read this…
[Editor: Including you?]
Game works!
Want proof?
http://www.tuckermax.com/
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“there is a groupie for every male endeavor. Except World of Warcraft.”
Sooo not true on the warcraft part! The strong self confidence, power and charismatic personalities of male guild or raid leaders absolutely attract the respect and interest of girls who play wow. Attractions, affairs, even marriages happen all the time between gamers because of perceived worth in a persons online actions and personality.
Just to elaborate, our gm is very alpha, single and is charismatic enough that the guys and girls adore him. He teases the girls mercilessly (they love the attention) and hes a guys guy that the other men respect. He is the buck stops here guy. And thats hot.
“The strong self confidence, power and charismatic personalities of male guild or raid leaders absolutely attract the respect and interest of girls who play wow”
I don’t know if should laugh my ass off at this statement or be sorry for wowlady’s extreme stupidity. I think I’ll go with the former.
THIS WHOLE WEBSITE IS BEYOND LAME… I HATE U ALL FOR BEING TOTAL IDIOTS INDULGING IN THIS NONSENSE AND BULLSHIT RHETORIC. BUT ITS A SOMEWHAT FREE COUNTRY SO BLOG ON JUST BE CONSCIENCE OF THE STUPID SHIT YOU SAY. I WOULD HATE TO WORK WITH OR EVEN EMPLOY THE MAJORITY OF YOU.
This is all common sense. I guess this is why I do well with women. I just dont give a shit.
hey wowlady isn’t that far off, or rather I’d not like her to be that far off:
I don’t know if should laugh my ass off at this statement or be sorry for wowlady’s extreme stupidity. I think I’ll go with the former.
There’s an “alpha” male hierarchy in ever social niche.
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Denise likes what was said here.
Guys who laugh, scoff or snarl at “alpha male” concept…….are VERY beta.
P.S. Pretty nerdy geeky name I got huh?
What utter and interminable drivel this is. It also lends astounding weight to most of the SCUM manifesto, too (something I’d disagreed with somewhat previously): http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm
Gross, gross, psycho-babble of the deluded and hilariously misguided to be followed only by the equally deluded and hilariously misguided. Biiiiiig waste of time and cyberspace for its writer and the internet.
“Dumbbitch
Yeah, I guess you should post one more commandment that says “Don’t fuck with a Bi-Polar single mother who’s been alone for two years and has ADD, anxiety disorder, who punched a police officer in the head last time she was arrested, and will email pictures of your cock she found on a porn site to all your loved ones with a note explaining that you a big homo and a sociopath… even if she seems easily exploitable””
shaddaaaaap
This is a guide to sexism
[Editor: Then reality is sexist. We’re all soaking in sexism.]
To me, these aren’t just rules to get women; these are rules to cut the bullshit out of life. It’s not about putting down women, it’s about empowering yourself.
Many of the rules seem to be based on women’s behavior, but are good irrespective of how women act. The 2/3rd’s rule, for example. It’s not about mathematically proving your aloofness, it’s about being able to be yourself succinctly. Projecting your personality and character in few words, whether at the bar, at work, or online, means that you know exactly what you want to say, and how you want to say it. People gravitate to that kind of strength.
Similarly, all of the other rules are grounded in good, character building advice.
I’m tired of hearing advice like this being put down because ‘it’s sexist.’
These are almost all complete nonsense.
I will proceed to amuse myself with some brief points about the first Rule for your benefit should you be willing to consider my points at any time.
#1 Never say “I Love You” first?
Never???
Never??
So what.
What kind of pussy can’t say what he wants to when he wants to, this is the first insertion of the nose ring she will be pulling you around in.
Since you can now Never do this now you have to watch what you say Forever.
Never, Forever…
How does that sound…..????
And she hasn’t even had to open her mouth yet, what else will you be self censoring in case you think your manhood becomes compromised.
Now you can never be passionate in the moment because your soooo worried she may take advantage of you.
Most seduction “tools/techniques/rules” are directed towards doing something so that she will like you enough to do XYZ with you.
Prove to yourself you haven’t being doing otherwise 99% of the time.
Hahaha. Men should not give other men advice!
Listen-up all you Alphas: Acknowledge the fact that the road to Paradise is through OUR bodies… And that’s the funny paradox. Your self-esteem and sense of manhood is so pathetically and inextricably linked to our sweet pussies… We, (women) on the other hand, can do just fine without you. Really!… But we do love you, even when you think you’re in command and pull out all your tough-boy shtick… For all your bravado, at the end of the day, you are all adorably transparent and nothing can fool our female intuition when it comes to your motives. But we may have our own agendas too. Which shall remain shrouded in mystery ’till the end of time! ;)
BTW, since the Greek Alphabet seems to come into (heavy) play here, know this: Alpha-men, yes, Beta-men, yes, BUT then comes Gama (a sadly under-represented letter on this blog) which in Greek is the imperative for Fuck! Maybe you need to look deeper into who is who alphabetically. :)
(Gamas seem to be having all the fun, without sweating to prove anything. And they are NOWHERE on this blog! ;D)
Really, how bout 16 rules of BULLSHIT! Can u say narcissism? The fact that u have the time to sit and calculate all this out says a lot. How bout no one can make me harder than i can/ theres a fkg rule for you. When u calculate your worth by your ability to manipulate others, it makes you shallow. I’d much rather be myself than study your rules of crap so i can count how many knotches are in my bedpost. Here’s a rule for u, Pussy is overated! All the games that surround going after something that 9 times out of 10 never lives up to the billing. But when ur so full of yourself I guess it does matter. It’s kinda like eating pizza and hamburgers. When u can’t delineate or discern (one thing from another) u never know that a lot of it sucks.
**THIS IS IMPORTANT:
I’m a girl, and he’s is basically right: all this stuff does work… but ONLY ONLY ONLY IF THE GIRL IS BETTER LOOKING THAN YOU. if you’re better looking than she is, she’ll be too intimidated in the first place… and then when you start all the asshole business, she’ll give up all hope.
except for the making her jealous thing. you SHOULD flirt with other women, seriously. no girl wants a guy who’s undesired by anyone else.
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Jesu christo, you are so right… After watching many a green toothed con man swagger around the office with a ‘lady’ hanging on to his c..k i came to the same conclusions myself years ago.. amazing insight!!!
This is all well and good for improving one’s ability to score with anonymous female strangers but what the fuck does it all have to do with a successful marriage husbanding and fathering.
I would say some of it applies, the confidence particularly, but you are really blabbering a lot of shit and if you have been married with children for 2o years I would be very surprised.
If your objective in life is to be a dickhead that fucks a lot follow this list but if you want a family well one may have to reconsider some of this macho man bullshit.
Nevertheless about half of these recommendations are good for the married man too. And situationally potentially others.
I’m 17 and I wonder how this works on highschool girls if you don’t have that much social proof.
This is some of the most asinine bullshit I’ve read lately. Guys, save yourselves a wasted lifetime of awful relationships and inevitable alcoholism.
[…] […]
Ahh, and so the women scream and writhe as if doused with acid. Such is evidence of truths they know but cannot bare to accept and come to terms with.
These are great rules… if you want to get laid a lot and grow old alone.
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@♥ ALL WOMAN ♥
You seem to be a intelligent woman, wich is not the case in 99,99% of the cases. Good for you…
So for the remaining 99,99% of dumb chicks all written is pretty valid.
I thought this was very entertaining, well written and helpful.
But these guides are for novices. The young, and inexerienced, not men. I mean no disrespect because I’ve been there. Sexual exploration/conquest is one of the most important passages into manhood. It’s scary territory fraught with rejection and ego-killling shame. And we need all the help we can get.
Boys like having manuals, instructions and rule books because they don’t know want to look bad. They want to get it right! They like guidelines because they don’t know how they really feel and that scares them. Boys are unafamiliar, confused, terrified and embarasssed by their feelings. Having a plan eases the fear. So they create formulas to try and attract women in an attempt to protect their fragile egos. Women know this and, as some have mentioned here, they thankfully sleep with us in spite of that because fortunately their self esteem is as low, or lower than ours.
Women have no problem feeling and expressing themselves, whether those expressions have anything to do with genuine emotions is quite another story. Their facility with emotion is bewildering and scary to men. I once read that women are soft on the outside and hard on the inside and men are just the opposite so when men get hurt it’s always deep, and it feels fatal. I think it’s true and our lack of experience with how we really feel puts us at a tremendous disadvantage with women.
So we are right to be careful. And maybe rules, tips, guidlines and even commandments can help. But in the end we must face and own who we are and often it is in the arena of the heart where this happens and we are on the losing end.
These tips encourage you not to engage your emotions or to reveal what you think and feel. I think that further puts us at a disadvantage. Women are all about feeling without rational thought. How do we deal with that? I say know your feelings and know your own power.
I’m not saying anyone should be an open book but you will never experience the true heights of physical or emotional satisfaction by restricting yourself emotionally and you will make yourself far more vulnerable to devastating effects of rejection or breakup because you will have no clue what’s coming or how to deal with it.
In my opinion your only playing half of the game, playing at the rookie level. Your playing not to lose. Your playing scared. It’s only a big win if you take a big risk. It’s only worth something if you put your ass, or in this case your heart on the line. The reward is you are stronger and a better competitor.
Rules, tips or commandments will never give you a lasting sense of power or security. You’ll only be as good as the last woman who fucked you. And I do mean “fucked” you. You are still an insecure little boy in need of a woman and no commandment from god or man will change that. Most men can’t simply will themselves to be strong or secure as these commandments advise. These are not sheer acts of will. They require actual experience. You can not care but that isn’t power. And you can’t find true strength and security in the control or dominance of another. That simply perpetuates the weakness. These so called commandments are entertaining in a simplistic, sophmoric way. But in the same way that you outgrow comic books it is not much of a challenge to engage women from the one dimensional perspective, as amazing as it is, of sex alone.
I’ve had the good fortune to have made love to well over 100 hundred women in my time. Models actresses, porn stars, cougars, and girls next door. I say this not to brag but to lend some credence to what I say. In my teens and 20’s it was fun and exploratory. In my 30’s it was a mission that defined who I was. In my 40’s I wanted more. I am now in a wonderful monaogamous relationship leading to marriage.
Here’s my tip.
I would simply walk up to a woman and say the truth:”Excuse me, I hope you won’t think I’m rude, but I couldn’t help noticing you and I thought you were very attractive and since I couldn’t wait for someone to introduce us I thought I’d just say hello.”
I think in the vast majority of cases the women were so taken off guard by the simple honesty there was no reason to refuse. They were surprisingly charmed and at ease. They’d often say how nice it was not to have to endure the endless stupid lines and games.
Simple. Honest Direct.
I think you’ll find much more satisfaction for yourself when you engage the physical, psychological and the emotional.
Wow… 007, you just described me perfectly. I don’t know if you’ll ever read this, but thanks for your advice. It feels good to be understood.
As a woman I was expecting to disagree with a lot of this, but I have to admit (even though I don’t really want to) that these ways of engaging do appeal to me. There is a difference between what we think we want, and what we need. What our brains say would be good for us, and what our whole beings respond to. I’m a strong woman, so I need a strong man to meet me. And yes, on some deep level you don’t want to say out loud, you want to know that if you do lose it- if that tempest seizes you and whips you out of control- your man is strong enough to hold down the fort and calm the storm.
But couldn’t we say these rules mostly apply to women with men too? From a basic human perspective, don’t men want to be with women they feel are valuable, self-contained and strong? I’m sure there are others that would need to be added in terms of qualities of attention and adoration, but what man wants a woman who is constantly attentive to him, or complimenting him way more than he is?
This is a completely honest question. What does a man want from a woman then?
I’m a husband of the same wife of 27 years, the father of two just-about grown kids, and professionally am one of those alpha-male types, although not driven, emotionally distant, ungiving or selfish. And I find this apologia pro meum crudelitas depressingly bereft of simple human decency…and terribly sad. This is nothing but narcissism unbound, and is a guaranteed prescription for ultimate solitariness in an emotional wasteland.
When your IQ is as high as mine, you know what you have to do to compensate for it.
@V – I think real men want real women who are not emotional basket cases and can handle the small stuff on their own. In that way, yes, self-contained and strong. And any guy that needs compliments all the time is fundamentally insecure. So what does a real man want? A real woman he can give to, provide for, and grow with so he can see her flourish. But the maxim still holds that she cannot be his purpose in life, she can be his “world” but not his purpose.
Thanks @P for the thoughtful response. It’s beautifully put. I think so many women are either scared/insecure that men won’t want them the way they are that they wind up overly emotional, passive aggressive or too needy. Conversely, some are so afraid they’re going to get hurt or taken advantage of that they get twisted and start hating instead. Those are the women who are gold digging, or taking the kids away from their fathers. Sad really because what you just wrote is actually pretty straightforward and sounds wonderful. Thanks P.
Thou art Certainly my king and lord man.!!! I am a 21 yr old with not Thaat much experience.. so this shit is pure gold to me man. I’ll savour it for life …… i’m sure to get mad pussy
These rules along with reading Homer McDonald’s book, “Stop your Divorce” has helped me in seeing the light during my separation. Now that I am a f—ing man again, she has been interested in “talking” again. I know her shit tests now and act accordingly. Its amazing how this works so instantaneously! Thank you for the diligence in figuring out the ever troubled mind of a woman!
Peace…
If you weren’t manly, maybe that’s your problem, not hers. You act almost as if you think “manly” is a bad thing. She wanted you to be stronger, you became stronger and now she’s happy. But don’t be a dick about it. Be a man, which means take the f-ing high road, dude. Drawing your own boundaries can be hard. Now that you know how to do it, do it with love, not resentment and you’ll really find happiness.
Thanks. I wrote that comment after an “aha” moment and was celebrating my break from beta status with her – the only beta status I had in any relationship. We are back together and the shit tests are there but I have stuck to my guns and stayed strong. We will have a better relationship in the long run.
I come back to this site for a retooling, so to speak, and it helps.
I have trouble with number 9 – How do you connect with a girl’s emotions?
Girls have emotions?
You connect with a girl’s emotions by not always thinking logically. Think of it like interacting with a child. It hasn’t fully developed its rational thinking yet, so they are prone to fantasies (Santa Claus, personification to toys). Apply what you would do when interacting with a child with your dealings with women.
Anonymous–
I’m so glad you have discovered the key to a successful dinner date.
As a woman, I long for someone to speak to me in baby-talk. Before men insert their penises into my mouth, I prefer for them to coo, “Here comes the airplane!” before I engage in reflexive rooting on the end of the first penis proffered. I think that if you were to employ this technique before all blowjobs, you would be on the road to complete sexual satisfaction.
Please take me on a dinner date. I hope you can ignore the dribble of Chardonnay oozing from the corners of my mouth. We women have uncoordinated motor skills, especially in comparison with your rippling and manly biceps. I would love it if you gently wiped the filet mignon from my cheeks with a soft, two-ply napkin. For reference, women also love it when you powder them after wiping. Please remember to bring the Johnson and Johnson baby powder, as it is my favorite brand and always leaves me feeling clean.
I hope this clears up any confusion.
First question is how old are we and has sexual experiences become so normal to us even with various people that we stereo-type each other(men and women)…Chances are if you hang at a bar then 4 out of 7 days you wont have to go home alone if you so choose…And In the strip club which Im familiar with at 30 trust that, the girls should never be paying for their drinks and going home with your customers just mean you lost that money that could have become weekly income if you have the ability to be alpaha and beta and then some..We are a world of people with no one person in control.Wolf packs and dogs have alpha females or vice versa.This stems mainley from the breeding of pit bulls since they were bred to fight from the jump…I get sexually frustrated reading these b/c it makes me want to give up sex and masturbate only..Ill be clean and loved and never treated like an animal..Thats a fetish you pay for to keep secret..or practice with your partner..What are our kids learning?wake up and look at your words..and i got drooped for calling crackheads out on face book..id cry if i had any more tears left..now i just want to throw up…its never what you do but how you do it…beauty counts for nothing if you have no class..that takes practice and poise…Being a dirty little slut is hot but people are mean and your self worth is a fragile thing that once gone good luck…thats all alpha.and if your not bi being alpha is highly unlikely…contrary to the popular belief…Can any one give me websters definition of alpha and beta…I was testing betas drunk on fish water 12 years ago..till they smelled the truck up like dead fish.lol…We are nothing more than what we think and how we present ourselves to the world around us..money cant buy respect or class or true beauty..We change and grow older and wiser and so for all the dumb broads relying on their looks keep it up cause that means more money for me from here on out…Im still hot and my brain just recently started working for the first time.lol.Im scary smart and scary secure and This whole blog is trash talk with no real advice.Waste of energy and time and thats equal to money…If you have plenty call me I could use some…Not asking but you are giving it away anyways..beauty without brains is porn star sex and then one day its over and then what? Like 10% of pornstars ever see a lick of the money from their work so ill be waiting to see..Respect the person you see in the mirror first and take it from there…Im stuck on self and so sexually and phisically ill always be ok…Its weird for me to touch others before myself…girls we have girls and their lite years past our path so dont be jaded and reality bites but smoke a blunt or whatever…Im preaching now and next ill be asking you to join the cult..lol later..Ponder..Being fast just means theres nothing to do later on in life…
Nice “Story of O” screen cap on the marquee. I always wondered when the forces of BDSM were going to link up with the PUA scene.
I seriously agree with this.
Any man alive needs to read this, study it, and follow it.
No man is 100% alpha. Every man has a (mostly hidden) beta side. If you want to get rid of a woman without much fuss or drama show her your beta side. Then turn your head and leave without looking back.
See, now, these are the rules I use on guys. I must say, tho, I go thru guys quite quickly because they lose my interest after about 3 weeks. And the whole “neediness” thing is very unatractive. It is true, however, that the more standoffish you are towards someone who has low self-esteam, the more they want to be around you.
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My tongue-in-cheek “retort” to this brilliant post:
I. Always say ‘I Love You’ first
Women consider chasing men a bore. When a relationship progresses to a natural “I love you” point (the earlier the better), just say it. Most women who don’t hear it within the first couple months will assume you don’t care and move on. The only way a woman can be happy is in knowing her man loves her with all his heart, mind, and soul. To score extra brownie points with your woman, lay it on really thick. A simple “I love you” will suffice, but a line like “My love for you is greater than any other love any entity has felt for another entity in the history of the entire universe” is golden.
II. Never so much as glance at another woman
If you happen to be in a situation where there are other women around (and this should happen as infrequently as possible- your nights should almost always be spent at home playing Scrabble), do not even acknowledge their existence. You will cling to your woman like a hemorrhoid clings to an ass hair. Do not let her out of your sights, and do not let other females into yours. If a woman approaches you, learn ways to avoid getting into even the most mundane conversation (see my post on pretending you don’t know English), because if you get caught in such an act, your woman will become outrageously green with envy, and will dump you.
III. You shall make your woman your everything
Some of the greatest love songs of all time have ascribed to the philosophy that a woman is to be the center of a man’s existence, and they are absolutely correct. Your station in life, your artistic passions, your masculine libido are all nothing in comparison to the pedestal you are able to craft for your woman. She wants to be treated like a princess, and it is your obligation- nay, your privilege, to make that desire come to fruition.
IV. Let her make the rules
In today’s society, the woman is in charge. Don’t try to fight it. Conformity is the path to peace. It is she whom you must lean on in every matter. Once you recognize her innate ability to remain calm in any situation, face change with stoic indifference, and maintain the same personality day in and day out, you will understand it is only natural to let her direct the relationship. This is the best way to ride into the sunset happily ever after together.
V. Reciprocate everything and then some
Give your woman everything she gives you and then some. Don’t leave a single deed unnoticed or unreciprocated. When she sends you a text, send her at least two (always operating under the assumption that her phone didn’t get your message- it lets her know how much you care). When she says a sentence, respond with a paragraph. Constantly shower her with attention. By the six month point of a relationship, your entire essence should be imprinted into her soul, your image scorched into her retinas, your consistency ingrained into her hindbrain. A predictable man is a desired man.
VI. Your relationship is one long interview- play it straight
Women want to know everything about you so they can make a proper decision on whether you have long-term potential. Give them this information at all costs, even when they don’t ask for it. Treat the courtship process the way you would a job interview (but try to avoid talking yourself up too much; girls don’t like a braggart). If you can prove to her that you’re the type of guy whose sole purpose on this planet is to make her happy, she will let you into her world with open arms.
VII. Your option is your woman
The second you agree to go on a date with a girl, she becomes your lone option. Forget any and all other female companionship from that point forward. And once your relationship has blossomed into something long-term, you will be thankful that you have become fully dependent on one woman for all your romantic affection, because this will be your trump card if your relationship is ever on the rocks. During these times, let her know unequivocally that you absolutely need her, and she will become attracted to you again. In extreme situations, telling her things like “I don’t think I could go on living without you” always works.
VIII. Adopt an ‘apologize first’ mentality
You have a penis. This means you are, by nature, a despicable human being, and you are sorry. Whatever you do, you’re sorry. Apologizing your way through life is the quickest way to a woman’s heart. Being immediately sorry for any perceived offense will reduce friction in every relationship as it brings about fewer arguments and less overall strife. Females don’t like drama. They don’t bring it into your life, so don’t bring it into theirs. And in the end, your woman will thank you for being a good little boy who does what he’s told. You will remind her of her childhood dog. And who didn’t adore their childhood dog?
IX. Connect with her logic
There are no fundamental differences between men’s and women’s brains. The emotionally-driven playfulness of youth had its place, but those days are gone. You’re both adults now, and the healthiest relationship two adults can have is one based on an intellectual and logical connection. She wants to talk about how running around in the snow makes her feel like a little girl again, you discuss the Great Blizzard of 1888. She wants you to play doctor, you meticulously muse over the achievements of Western medicine. She tells you she isn’t attracted to you anymore, you demand a 5-6 page thesis paper (with supporting evidence) why that is the case. Odds are rational thinking will prevail and she’ll be back in your arms again in no time.
X. Become entranced by her beauty
Your woman is the only attractive human being on this planet; you’d better start treating her as such. Allow yourself to melt before her beautiful face; this will prevent you from ever acting out. If you are ever away from her for more than four hours (see my post on how to minimize this disastrous phenomenon) and are contemplating doing something of which she would not approve, imagine her gorgeous face, her flawless body, and her incredible sexual prowess and you will think twice.
XI. Don’t believe in yourself
Women are turned off by self-confidence. They want to take you by the hand and lead you through life. Also, they acknowledge the fact that you’re not exactly God’s gift to women, so don’t act like you are. You can’t fool anyone. Adopt a philosophy of pure rationalism. You aren’t George Clooney and you never will be. Accept it and make sure your girl knows you’ve come to terms with it. You’re most likely the average run-of-the-mill loser anyway. Recognizing that you are who you are (Crimson’s Maxim #93: Always be yourself!) and change is virtually impossible, women will be flocking to you like a moth to a flame.
XII. Forget what you’re good at, keep a woman focused on your weaknesses
Remember Crimson’s Maxim #24- Women hate guys who think they’re better than everyone else at something. Don’t be that guy. Sure, you may be able to sing to her like Josh Groban, or dance her socks (and the rest of her clothes) off, but deep down, the displaying of talents to a girl is the fastest way to make her feel inadequate to you (and in turn, make her leave you). Become a jack of all trades. Try new things to the point of exhaustion, and the less likely you are to succeed at them, the better. When her expectations are lowered, you never have to worry about disappointing her again. It is in this atmosphere a true relationship can flourish.
XIII. Don’t ever pursue what you want physically
When she’s ready to up the ante physically, she will always make the first move. A woman is a delicate snowflake- one wrong touch and she will be lost forever. If you have trouble following this rule, try to imagine her dad is sitting on the other side of her at all times. This should induce enough guilt to cause you to refrain from making any sort of ill-advised hormonal-based “move” on her.
XIV. Fuck her decent
Contrary to popular belief, sex is the least important aspect of the modern relationship. If you must spend time engaging in such Neanderthal activity, fuck her like it’s your first fuck (+1 if it actually is). The last thing she wants to feel in bed is inadequacy stemming from knowing that the person she is with has more experience than her. And she knows as well as you do that there are thousands of better things to spend your time on than copulation. Minimal effort should be spent on sex. Your energies should be focused on more important matters, such as deciding which jewelry store her next diamond earrings will be coming from.
XV. Maintain no control
You are an oak leaf. When she cries, so do you. When she yells, apologize profusely. When she withdraws sexually, beg. When you can’t get a hold of her, leave her multiple voice mail messages, send her at least ten texts (remember the Double Digit Rule), and consider contacting one of her close family members if the amount of time you haven’t talked to her reaches 8 hours. Chaos is the natural order of things; learn to roll with it.
XVI. Let the fear of losing her be your guide
Your fear of losing her must be akin to your fear of God’s wrath keeping you out of Hell’s eternal burnings. Fear and love go hand-in-hand. Coming to grips with your relationship’s almost-certain mortality (totally certain if you don’t follow these commandments) is the best way to keep you in check. Once you love her with all that you have, learn to fear her even more than that.
As a soon to be single guy, I was directed to this website to help “masculine” me. Before I got married 20 years ago I did have some game. I was “perceived” to be a player but was not. I admit it worked to attract but careful what you ask for.
To me, this is how you meet/attract women and get them interested…I get that. I thank you for reminding me. But its not all about “Poon.” My God, we aren’t 20 forever. Sexual desire is more than just a hardon looking for a place to put it. The mind is the best aphrodesiac. And you don’t have to play mind games to create desire.
But to maintain this manner of existence is a recipe for lonliness for sure. I would know, I was married for 20 years to a poisoned person whom I attracted in such a way you describe here. I was a very lonley person in my marriage due to this person’s personality disorder (she’s BPD).
A healthy relationship is NOT one way and subservient. What hogwash! It is proven time and again that two people who share the same yolk/burden and aspirations have the most to gain in staying together than apart. Immerse yourself in this kind of relationship and you can’t tell me the sex is better with the hottie at the corner of the bar stirring her drink and licking her finger. Been there done that.
Show me a guy who can recognize emotions and communicate in a committed relationship and I’ll show you a guy getting more (and better) “poon” than you can imagine.
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@jaydee
I really hope you are trollin’.
If so, bravo.
If not: Dude, you were in a 20 year failed marriage. You know jack and shit about attracting women today. This isn’t 1980.
Shaming language doesn’t work here. We are above that childish shit. Re-read this list and execute. It’ll blow your frame of reality out.
Or you can continue to chase expired cougars around in hope for some dry pussy scraps.
007’s self-deprecating, self-shaming rhetoric is disgusting and fitting for a mangina.
It makes sense to me.
good list, but…
“Don’t let a woman’s faux indignation at your boldness sway you; they secretly love it when a man aggressively pursues what he wants and makes his sexual intentions known.”
Does this not contradict “X. Ignore her beauty”?
We ignore their beauty because we only deal with women we find attractive. The fact that I’m talking to a woman means that she’s passed my initial attraction test. Therefore, I ignore it by not saying “You’re so pretty” or “Wow, you’re the best looker in this joint.”
The physical grab is the part of Game that men have to do in order to show the woman we’re on a path to a physical relationship, not just LJBF.
Make her validate herself. The #1 thing guys do wrong … they compliment, and then they try to validate themselves.
Anything I ask really says one thing between the lines – are you worth my time?
Not link bait … validation: http://two.cedonulli.com/2011/07/getting-what-you-want/
In my opinion a strong man would not be so terrified of rejection and of being alone. This all reads like it comes from a man who is too afraid of women to love them properly, so he has to game them to feel strong. If you want true connection in life, then act like a human and treat women the same. Sure some of us like D/s sex and the like, but at the end of the day, everyone wants to feel connected and loved, not gamed.
Are you fucking kidding me right now? If I met an asshole who followed your so-called “rules” of being a man, I wouldn’t date him for shit. What kind of idiot thinks this kind of treatment is okay? You’re going to die alone, douche-bag.
This is fucking disgusting.
How about, instead of reading a load of bullshit rules, you just be yourself? What’s the point of being in a relationship if it’s based on lying about who you really are? Seriously, if anyone can explain that to me, I’d love to know how this is supposed to work.
People get the impression that it works. If they say that it works with lots of women, I believe them. But they delude themselves when they say that it works with EVERY woman. It works with the sort of women it works with. That is all.
It is supposed to work by a) playing to alleged primal instincts of a woman, like how all woman like the “bad buy” (which is bullshit. they want confident partners, but not pushy a*holes) and b) by playing on the woman’s insecurities. Which, of course, only works with insecure women.
I will not doubt that this method gives you a lot of poon. But a long, stable relationship that both partners enjoy? Not so much.
@Connie,
Sorry, babe. It works. And varied, it works on any woman. Any time.
Lawyers. Especially lawyers. Housewives. Hot young things. Not so hot older things. Girls and confident women.
It works so well, it’s enough to make you cry rivers to your sisters.
Whine all you want – when delivered well, it works like gold.
It’s not what you say you want, girl. It’s what makes a man sexually attractive. The two have nothing to do with each other.
Go check, then report back.
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This is a load of shit for some people and golden advice for others. 3/4 of it is shit for me, but I strain it for the little amount of gold contained.
Holy shit. How come I have never heard of this blog before? this is the shit.
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You know what the sad thing is about the whole Alpha-male stereotype ….is the truth is that they are more SHOOK with insecurity than almost anyone. It’s unfortunate that most women never realize this.
Their need to dominate, be the life of the party, manipulate, always have the upper hand, and generally be on edge at all times disseminating how their actions look to others and evaluating every move anyone makes for signs of strength or weakness is all a result of their seething overwhelming insecurity in themselves. A constant fear that they might lose social value and with it their identity. Always judging and yet in constant fear of judgement.
I am a proud Beta, I am not weak because I don’t at all times put on an act of being flawless and unshakeably confident. Yet I am confident, I have the sort of true inner belief in myself that an Alpha could only ever dream of. I have moments of vulnerability, fragility, indecisiveness, and even stupidity, but I can also be confident as a lion, unwavering in resolve, and all the other characteristics people admire. I understand that both extremes are part of the human experience and don’t feel the need to only display the positive. If you judge my value on this earth by a few moments of less than perfection than I pity the false, untrusting, and tense relationships that will surely make up your experience on this earth.
Don’t get me wrong I’m sure that these commandments work brilliantly and I think that some of it is even sage advice for anyone but I also think that it’s largely game-playing and I doubt that you will find the love of your life by manipulating her into your bedroom (granted that’s not what everyone is looking for).
Good lord. No wonder there are so many lesbians these days.
[Heartiste: Tell me about it. With all the fat women waddling around, no one will love them except other fat women.]
You keep telling yourself that.
[Heartiste: You must be a regular reader, stealing this blog’s lines like that. Way to giveitaway dykegirl. Anyhow, I’m sure it’ll depress you to know that cute hetero girls fall for assholes like myself all the time. Here’s a helpful hygiene tip: queefing is bad form when scissoring.]
Indeed, going bi is a force multiplier for many chunkies, effectively doubling the dating field. And it’s really convenient for the ladies to do, as the ladies aren’t as visually stimulated as men (i.e., a dude who went gay would be SOL as the standards actually get more stringent, at least from what popular culture tells me).
This stuff is true!!! I had what began as a wonderful realationship with a Korean woman who in the beginning treated me as a king. I fell in love and got stupid (liberal) giving her permission to question and argue with me. The relationship went down the drain after that. First 6 months were heaven, the next 6 months were trying, the final 6 months were hell on earth.
The comments by the pissed off women were hilarious. I wonder how many of them were written by Amanda Marcotte, the chick who likes like a dude in wig.
Even if it works, to you really want to be that person?
When i tried it, the only thing I got was sex and a big black void to fill. Did not work out for me, if it works for you, awesome.
It’s really easy not giving a shit about the people around you. So if it works for you, you’ll be one the lucky persons, considering you’ll be taking the easy way.
Oh, let’s just simplify all this, shall we? The lofty language (which I like, incidentally) is just obfuscating the message:
The N Rules
(1) Dress and Groom Well
(2) Be clean, organized and spartan
(3) Make a LOT of money
(4) … Neither be a spend-thrift or a miser.
(5) Listen to what she says. Don’t argue unnecessarily
(6) Split life’s chores and pleasantries.
(7) Maintain a calendar well. Plan the future, allow for changes.
(8) Make time for “special events” for just the two of you. 100:1 dividends.
(9) Walk away from pointless arguments.
(10) Unexectedly bring flowers to her. Unexpected trumps “lots of em”
(11) When you’re young, tell her she’s pretty. As you age, keep it up.
(11b) “Does this dress make me look fat?” A: “You don’t need a dress to look great, babe.”
(12) Assist with cooking, or take it over if she secretly is insecure.
(13) Hire a weekly cleaning lady.
(14) Always give her the new car.
(15) Stay next to her at parties. Don’t wander off, unless she wants you to.
(16) Keep on your “stray toms” guard.
(17) Forget no birthdays, anniversaries, …
(17b) But… try hard to forget pointless arguments, and tit-for-tat.
(18) Complain about few Honey Do! requests.
(18b) But… remember them, and have frank discussion about “balance”
(19) Its OK to have hobbies, but most of them work best when shared.
(20) Remember (always) that the dispassionate knife of Evolution has cut and culled women to be substantially different from men emotionally – far more tolerant of whining children, far more able to mind-meld with them in nuturing and bringing them to adult hood. There are exceptions, but far fewer them than the mean. As such, and as with children, your patience will be taxed, unpredictably, inconsiderately, and irrationally. But, again as with children, forebearing anger and outrage, and resolutely waiting out the storm bears the best fruit. Evolution’s knife has removed her ability to remember just how ridiculous were her swings and snipes. Separate yourself from the fights and flights … and wait for her to cool down, to return to the table chastened by her own memories. Accept any small apologies, and do not punish her emotionally or in any other way. This she’ll remember well.
There are probably another twenty, but these suffice. You don’t have to be some alpha-male, woof woof to make a lasting and satisfying bond with most women. It is because women really aren’t much different than men in the end: we all desire relationships that improve our lives, whether measured in base terms of food, sex, chore-sharing, or in more sophisticated terms of companionship, appreciation, shared vision, romance and thoughtfulness.
=b=
If your sole aim is to woo an insecure woman into bed, then these rules may be all you need.
[heartiste: funny how losers fervently believe that hot babes who love charming cads must be insecure.]
(Doctors and lawyers can have lousy personal lives. Ask how many of them are divorced..) I find it amusing that one man says he swears by this list and has had over 100 women. Why hasn’t he been able to keep any of them? hmmm?
If your aim is to win a lady for life, ignore the above poon list, become a man, and do what is right. Think about what you can do for her, but also what you expect from her that will make your relationship last longer than a month, a week, or a night.
Whenever you feel like saying something nice, do it. You don’t have to keep a list of ratios. Do you expect her to keep track of how many times she compliments you?
If you have wronged your sweetheart, admit it and apologize as soon as you can. Discord is never good in a lasting relationship.
Never lie to your honey, and don’t be afraid to admit your shortcomings. They may be her strengths. You also might find that her weaknesses are your strengths, and that by working together you complete each other.
Acknowledging other women who notice your attractiveness is okay. Flirting back is not. Expect the same from her. It’s nice to be appreciated. Just don’t go too far. With your woman, compliment each other freely, there is no limit on nice.
Women do like men to be their Rock. But they also realize that you have needs. Don’t be afraid to share insights that help them see what makes you tick.
If you want to marry a lady that will stay with you forever, respect her sexually. Those men who do all of this just for sex it brings them have lost the relationship already. If you send the clues, be sure to read her messages. If she is not totally with you all the way, wait until you are in sync. You are expecting a lifetime ahead; what’s the rush? Isn’t the journey part of the fun?
If the relationship ends, accept your responsibility in the breakup. Figure out what happened so you don’t keep making the same dumb mistakes over and over again that will prevent you from having a lasting relationship.
[this is great advice if you want to impress fat, homely 40 year old women with zero options and a penchant for shoving dildos up the butts of wide-hipped manboys with crying game issues. for the men who demand something better out of life, they should faithfully ignore your vaginally squishy boilerplate.]
There are some gems in this list, but I think you should be wary of using ALL of them. Keeping a side chick is not a bad idea, but you have to be very careful how you do it. For example, DO NOT date girls who are in your same circle of friends; I had a good friend of mine did this and he was ejected, rather dramatically, from our group because of his philanderings and how much he had hurt the feelings of the girls involved (girls who we cared about, who were our friends, too). Don’t shit where you eat. My friend has some serious game, though.
This is a great list. I had to read it twice.
Excellent list excellent. As a distiller of wisdom, and a guy who has trouble counting past 10, I think “The Essential 3″ are:1) ignore her looks; 2) irrational confidence and 3) be willing to lose her. The rest are very good don’t get me wrong but if you had to tattoo 3 into the palm of your hand those’d be the ones IMO.Jesus I wish this shit was around when I was young (I graduated high school in 1970). Back then the assumption was it was all about looks,mostly. So good looking dudes got it all. Now we noticed that some of the jocks who weren’t that good looking were also banging premium poon, so we’d amend it to good looking or a jock. Or rich. Or in a band. You get it-what we were missing was the idea that what you PROJECT is what counts. Take the good looking chick. Now she knows she’s hot, or thinks she is but like all women she’s insecure and looking for validation. You see HER; she is not seeing HERSELF when she is looking at you. So the validation she is seeking must come from you, your reaction to her, whether you let her know she gets to you etc.. If you follow rule(1 )and do not obviously respond to her, she’ll think what’s this? Am I not hot? Or does this guy band so much hotter coos that he’ll step over me to get to it? Brilliant. As a guy who’s zits had acne and who was left with skin so full of pits people ask me “what’s par for your face?”, this woud have been invaluable. It’s too late for me; see that it’s not to late for you. Be like Santa Claus; check your list twice.
Nice range of views. I don’t think doing this would have made me “happy” BTW but maybe spared some pain. Love all the “grown up” rejoinders. Bullshit.
A list of how to be an ape-like man stereotype.
[heartiste: correction: a list of how to be the ape-like man stereotype women love!]
The kind of man every woman loathes and only insecure girls will touch.
[the world must be filled with insecure girls, then, seeing as how nearly every woman loves these types of men.]
If you knew how to treat a woman you wouldn’t have to try so hard to use these aggressive, abusive tactics to keep one.
[femcunt alert! “abusive tactics” stand-in for anything the feminist doesn’t like incoming!]
You’re obviously clueless and know nothing.
[i know you can’t handle the truth.]
I pity the emotionally damaged girl who would fall for your over bloated ego and sense of entitlement.
[emotionally healthy chicks dig the confident man.]
I hope any men who come across this site disregards this and any advice that teaches you how to be a heartless human being and to treat women as inferior because of hurt you feel over being heartbroken in the past.
[did a tear spring to your eye whilst writing that?]
Be noble, be honest, don’t bully anyone, even a girl, no matter how much other men and society tell you it’s ok.
[society’s got nothin’ to do with it.
ps your deus ex societas card is duly noted.]
Does everyone know that that Desi boytoy, lilboy aka Epoxytocin, aka Ron Purewal posed nude in Playgirl? :
http://bx.businessweek.com/technical-communication/ron-t-purewal—real-men-playgirl—march-2004/8107449415151836234-07690d816c952e03346097298a0267b1/
LOL! That desi fancyboy! Does he think he is Krishna? LOL!
I perused a few links after reading one blog post and some of the comments, just to be sure I wasn’t making a rash judgement, but my initial suspicions are confirmed. I’ll summarize by saying a disturbing portion of the comments sound like potential rapists who I can only hope have not struck yet and will get hit by a bus before they do; also before they breed. If you value the biological theories so much, why is it so hard to believe that our relatively “civilized” society may be changing our basic reproductive instincts in some cases?
Ever since I told this one girl I’ve known for a few years that I loved her, she hasn’t been as attentive to me as she used to be. I said it first, as an experiment to see if that would make her closer to me or push her farther away. A couple months ago she was begging to spend time with me, telling me how high I was on her dude ladder, and bugging my sister just to get into contact with me again. Fast forward to now and I can honestly feel the increased distance her pussy has moved relative to my dick. lmao.
*sigh*…..
I can tell this was written by a “grown” man with the mind of a 12-year-old boy. You’d think man would’ve progressed some, given millions and millions of years, but no, it’s still about being an “alpha male,” as if emulating wild animals is the best we could hope for.
I just like to say that this site has improved my life over the past year so drastically that it’s not even funny.
In addition to reading the comments by women who have praised this site, it is important to keep track of the attitudes of women (like “No EB…”) who dislike it, because that allows you to become aware of the common threads that dominate their thinking and attitudes. Whenever you hear or overhear these, look at the women making them: observe their habits and priorities… These are the “sexual narcissistics,” with attitudes largely formed by feminist clichés and “girl-talk.” If you want a mature, rewarding relationship, avoid them…
Now, I realize there is a lot of bad advise floating around the internet, but the real purpose for “Game” and the PUA community in the first place was men getting together to learn social dynamics. Self improvement. The reason was to become more attractive, more interesting, educated and cultured, more competent, and thus more confident, more valuable. These men wanted to become the type of men you ladies wanted to be with. The kind of man you had fun with, a man who evoked your emotions….the man you were proud to be with, and worked hard to keep. Ladies, don’t curse them or bash them for wanting to better themselves!!! If anything you should THANK THEM!! Applaude their efforts! Encourage them?! or maybe help them instead of complaining that there are no good men left?! Or how about a woman actually doing something to improve HERSELF and make herself a more valuable mate? THERES AN IDEA!!!
Also, maybe some of you women would do well by appreciating a decent man for all they have to offer. In my experience, the man usually brings MUCH more to the table in the relationship than the woman. (Yes I know there are many exceptions to this) Usually the man is expected to approach the woman, ask her out, buy her drinks, dinner, plan and pay for a fun interesting date, has the most or all of the income, is better educated, provides the home and a good comfortable life, food, vehicles, a diamond ring,……and what does the woman offer in return? SHES PRETTY. Not even close to equal.
Most of the angry women posting on here are upset because these rules do what they fear most,…it takes away their power. I have to say that is EXACTLY what men NEED to do,…LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. Stop giving up your power to any woman. Most men make it too easy for women and men need to learn to be a challenge,..not give it up so easy. (Stop giving them anything easily, money, relationship, sex, the time of fucking day) Stop putting women on a pedestal….especially the ones who don’t deserve it. (Most of them)
There is far more truth in these commandments than non-truth. I’m a little surprised at some of the reactions of readers, whom I suspect are reading more into these than what’s actually there.
I started adopting similar principles a couple of years ago, and my dating (and relationship) experiences hugely improved. (I only saw this particular list last month, btw, when I found this website.)
For the record: my current girlfriend is a HB9 (college-educated, porn star body, has her shit together). Several years ago, I was dating 5’s, 6’s, maybe some 7’s. Then I got way better at game (or, actually got some) and the quality (and quantity) of girls I fucked and dated increased dramatically. I mention my girlfriend in part because I ran this list by her, and she agreed with nearly everything.
Keep this in mind about the list: it’s probably MORE important to follow these principles for a successful LONG-term relationship than for a SHORT-term one. If you don’t conquer these principles early on, you’ll deal with beta-male problems later on IN your relationship. Those problems include: your girlfriend (or wife) acting as the boss (and hating YOU for it), your sex life being unfulfilling (for you and her), and your girlfriend having an increased likelihood of straying.
At first I was dumbfounded reading this. And then I realized that it basically sums up every man I ever went after. Those who weren’t eventually lost my interest.
The angry responses who say this would NEVER work are funny. It has been PROVEN to work again and again and again. You can’t just rationalize and generalize by saying…”only with bottom of the barrell dumb chicks” either. Any student of GAME knows about calibration. Some of the rules on this list make me cringe too but THEY ARE PROVEN. And you don’t just hamfistedly apply these rules either. Theres something in GAME called “calibration” and it comes from experience. It means learning how to be artful in each situation and feel out to what degree and with what specific methods to apply each rule. A little learning is a dangerous thing people.
Fucking brilliant: “In this world, there is no need to finish thoughts or draw conclusions. There is only need to EXPERIENCE.”
Monkey see popular blog thoughts, monkey do whatever it takes to get his attention.
Rest assured, if you are doing something right, the harpies will come buzzing around. Oh and the betas too.
also,
“XIV. Fuck her good
….learn to give her squirting orgasms.”
Women can’t have squirting orgasms. You watch too many porns you imbecile. Pornstar always drink much so that their piss looks colourless and they simply piss.
[heartiste: you are incorrect. many women are in fact physiologically capable of squirting. the fact that your vagina is a desiccated husk of cobwebs, or that you are an omega loser who has never experienced the touch of a woman, in no way alters this biological reality.]
Oh yes they can. It seems to be more common with Scandinavian women, anecdotally speaking.
In my experience, someone is going to squirt pretty much every time she comes, or won’t ever. I fancy this idea of pushing someone over the edge, converting her into a squirter. Worth a shot!
Would like recommendations on achieving XIV. Just knowing you are capable of rocking a woman’s world would be a huge boost to confidence for most men.
Go to porhub, or spankwire, or any of the available sites and search for Manuel Ferrara. Watch what he does, especially eating pussy. Do what he does, and the babes will melt.
Firstly I would like to say, much respect for the Dune reference.
Now, while there was quite a bit in this post I found myself agreeing with, you lost me right here:
“…instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status.”
You do not have a higher status than your significant other.
Ultimately these commandments are just encouraging lovers to play games with one another.
Just have some respect for eachother. It’s not that hard, people.
having a significant other isnt the goal here. this is how to get- and keep a woman interested. also how to not lose yourself when dealing with a woman or women in general.
i dont see these as “commandments that encourage playing games with one another” as you put it; more like a code of conduct that establishes the right sort of mindset if you want to keep a woman as well as remain open to growth and change. not to mention mastery of yourself
i wish i could go back in time and make my past self read this
Disagree with 99% of everything this Mr. know it all says… Lol, it’s actually pretty funny. As I was reading, I wondered how can he even take himself serious? This dude knows nothing about a “real woman’s” worth. It seems to me as if he is use to dealing with pretty young & low self-esteem “girls.” If a man tries to act anything like this with me, it just makes me think about how wrong he is for me & I wonder if maybe he was raised by apes? In any case the only thing I can totally agree here is with XIV. Fuck her good. Every man should know how to that exactly how it’s described here.
This sickens me.
I followed it for a bit and fell of the wagon…
You are truly my lord and king…
beta becoming an alpha
There is a difference between what girls say they want, and what they respond to (fuck). Never listen to what girls say they want. Observe who they fuck and imitate their behaviour.
this is simillar to letting go and detachment
http://wizardcorpse.com/wizard-relaxation-coach-the-art-of-letting-go/
What a bunch of unmitigated horseshit. Doing these things doesn’t make you an “alpha male”, it makes you an asshat whose only friends are other like-minded asshats. You probably like 50 Shades of Grey unironically, too.
[heartiste: women like it sincerely. one told me she would read it before having sex with her hubby to get in the mood.]
Also I’m pretty sure George Lucas and Frank Herbert would both be mortified that you referenced their work for this drivel.
[sounds like this drivel drove a spike through your soul.]
You DO know that’s where those things came from, right?
[nerdgirl not attractive to normal non-nerd man.]
Or were you too busy waving your dick at random women to learn things like that?
[is dick-waving a thing with you feminists? you all seem to reference it so often i wonder if you fantasize about a fatty slapping you right between the eyes.]
These rules should be imprinted in the minds of all men, not just those seeking to bed as many women as possible, but to manage LTR’s as well
Looking back, the times I have crashed and burned in a relationship, was when I forgot to apply them
For me, the rules are not about controlling women, but about controlling and being master of yourself
Neediness is a gauranteed relationship killer, and women smell this like a shark smells blood in the water- avoid at all costs
I just stumbled on this nonsense, it is all making sense now. The men who think these alpha rules are the way to go are seriously fucked in the head. You will never find a stable woman employing these tactics. I am a conservative female and like a manly man, but these rules are sick and twisted. I married (a beta to you idiots) young and divorced young (married five years divorced at 23 y/o). A year after my divorce I started dating again and the first guy I went out with I dated for 5 years. He was a “beta” which is fine by me but he was too jealous and controlling, he didn’t want to have anyone in his life but me and vise versa (no friends or family)…I tried to break this one flaw of his but I had to leave as he wouldn’t budge. I started dating again very quickly and noticed a shift to what you call “alpha” males everywhere, I couldn’t figure out what had happened to the dating pool. I was 28 and the assholes were everywhere. Now, being an above average looking female with no mental health issues and a fairly high paying career (non glamorous accounting) along with treating people as I want to be treated and taking them at face value as I present myself to others…this all got me lots of opportunities. The assholes…”alphas” were so bad, I could only find 2 men in 3 years time that I felt comfortable sleeping with, only to discover after they sealed the deal they reverted to these “alpha rules” that I was unaware of, so I would break it off. After being tricked by asshole #2 I stopped dating, which also means no sex. Shame on you once, shame on me twice= I was done. I have been celibate for 5 years now. I am nearly 36. It is not that hard to do if you have a good memory for just how bad and disrespectful a culture of “alpha” males has treated you. However, I just recently decided to give dating another shot, so I have been doing some searching on the internet and found this site. It all makes sense now. You sick mother fuckers. I think I will go on a few dates and if this pattern reemerges, go celibate again and go find a sperm bank donor of Finnish ancestry.
So you don’t get along with “beta” men because you went down that path twice and failed. You’re sickened by “Alpha” men. Where does this leave us? If all you’re looking for is a kid then by all means go the sperm donor route. The laws listed above aren’t degrading to women. Being with a man that is self- confident. A man that isn’t jealous and wants you to be somewhat independent (because you are). A man that doesn’t throw out sorry for ever little mistake that you or he might have made. It makes saying sorry worthless. I’m not arguing with you on this subject. I just think that from the brief description you gave about yourself you might get along with an Alpha male more than a beta. You’re in a high powered position at work. You demand respect and get it. You’re good looking and know it. The last thing you want is to be with someone who kisses your ass just for the sake of doing it. I don’t think sealing the deal and bolting is a Alpha male attribute. You were unfortunate to date guys who threw off a Macho attitude but in fact were scared little boys who didn’t know how to act and didn’t know how to treat a women.
Women don’t need men anymore. We have many options to chose from at the toy stores ;) Go stock up on some shit. Draw a bath, Light some candles and fire away!!! BOB (Battery Operated Boyfriend) can be any women’s Best Friend :) The best part about BOB, he can last as long as you want, at various speeds and comes in different sizes too. LOL!
Fascinating ‘List of Commandments’. After 21 years of marriage, I comment on my wedding anniversary as I come to the realisation that my marriage is rapidly coming to an end. (My wife told me last year that I should not expect her to remember the date of our wedding anniversary (I never forget), and this year gave me a box of chocolates out of a sense of shame rather than love.)
Having striven to be a perfect beta-male (some might say ‘loser’) all my life in terms of trying to accommodate my wife’s wishes in preference to my own — which state of affairs has brought me to the sorry state in which I now find myself — it would now seem that if you have not ‘got game’ alpha-male style then you have not got a chance.
This is somewhat depressing, as it would appear that the key message is: ‘treat ‘em mean to keep ‘em keen’. This is exactly the ‘philosophy’ which my late father adhered to, ruining the lives of many women (including my mother’s and step-mother’s) along the way in classic alpha-male fashion.
That said, Rule XVI is both practical and wise: it is important never to engage in anything which compromises your sense of integrity — when all is said and done, our sense of integrity is what makes us who we are.
I can only conclude that monasticism/celibacy beckons — certainly, in terms of my experience, I cannot be bothered to ‘play the game’ at the expense of love and honesty simply to satisfy my sexual desires. What life is left to me is simply too short …
To the Prof. So what do you plan on doing? Almost adopting a Kevin Spacey attitude in the movie American Beauty? I like it and respect it. You can only take so much before you do have an I don’t give a fuck attitude. Wonder how the wife will react to that attitude.
I will forever have these engraved in my psyche. What I find extremely funny is that a lot of women say that they will never fall for men that employ these commandments, yet they end up consciously or “unconsciously” (spin hamster…spin) choose them. When you reward “asshole/alpha” behavior, guess what happens? You get more of it. But then again the hamster doesn’t want to see the truth and the cycle continues.
This is probably the most degrading and disgusting thing I have ever had to read. Women that agree to this must live their whole lives hating themselves, complaining about dating a complete dick and then date a nice guy to find themselves back with the jerk. It is not that women prefer alpha it is that they want someone who is confident of himself. Not afraid to speak his mind that is what truly draws them. I can honestly say that I found someone that is the best of both a beta and an alpha.
You are so full of it. If men do decide to “speak their mind” they are called women haters by women. If they have a lot of money they are still tolerated.If they do not speak their mind, they are called weak.(again, unless they have a solid, good source of income.
Just more pile on men and blame them for everything, female mind fuck. Had that done to me every time my treasonous wife had a case of the guilt. It got easier for her as time went on, which was really a blessing because she didn’t try to continuously blame me for everything under the sun
NO THANK YOU. Been there. Done that and I didn’t even get a lousy tee-shirt.
Random boy (in love, suppressing emotions by logic approach):
“She falls for dominant men, again and again. She will reject submissive men sooner or later. Thus, if I remain confident and not submissive, she will fall for me and i will never be alone. We will be happy”.
I just imagined the following: If I was a woman and the assumptions (and predictions) of the 16 commandments were dead wrong, I would smile and give no further shit. If, however, the concept was right about my most intimate, sub-conscious cravings, what would I do, confronted in public with my primitive urge?
RIGHT! First, I would completely deny it (even “ad hominem”, if lacking arguments). Then, at some point, I’d have to admit there are certainly lots of women that seem to work that way. But in order to protect my emancipated, socialized integrity and credibility, I had to say something like “But I am completely different. You’ll never get any (smart) woman like me with that”
It’s a great amusement to read the angry/sad/hysterical reactions some women have posted here. Sure, many interpretations of alpha behaviour are embarassing and fail the topic. But there is nothing wrong with men talking about sex needs. Please keep in mind that the deeper, actual sense is the pursuit of happiness in an emancipated society AND WE WANT YOU WOMEN to participate, discuss and make progress TOGETHER. My view on love applies for both sexes: “I would like to stay with you, because i like you. But treat me bad and i will go.”
IMHO, there is no eternal Disney love story with a Hollywood happy ending. At least not for granted. Every partner is replaceable, there is no absolute best choice. So look out for someone you can share your goals, values and visions with, treat him/her good and let her/him treat you good. This is all you need, no tongue in cheek, no aces up your sleeve.
Denying the fact of still being an animal is the worst mistake a sophisticated, intelligent human can make. Be both, intelligent and primitive, social and dominant, alpha and beta (if you like these terms). You and your partner will have to keep the balance of independence and mutual concessions.
OMG. Are you serious?
I mean, you make something so evil sound so enticing, Nachash?
There’s nothing more wonderful than treating other individuals like animals for pleasure; The women we get we deserve. Many are whores. Some are not. The few who get the ones who aren’t whores are fortunate.
If I were to discuss moral decay, I would no doubt be called a religious nut or some variant or of the same. Dismiss that the argument is sound. We treat people like meat for out pleasure and we get the society that wars, murders rapes robs, desensitizes and basically mind fucks you from the time you get up until you lay down.
An affair destroys the bonds of intimacy and TRUST!
If gamers want to live that way then fine, but please let your husband/wife KNOW FIRST. There is a vast difference between a “slip up” under unusual circumstances (IMO) and an on-going affair. FESS UP IF YOU WANT TO GAME, but you can still expect broken hearts and lives…ANIMAL.
That does not even address the need for increased BIG BROTHER expenditures to cover the cost of all the crime, illegitimacy and sexual abuse resulting from children growing up not even knowing who their father is.and a belief that all the other ANIMALS on the planet, were put there for you to entice, manipulate and ultimately destroy.
What you say…it sounds so good. I was enchanted. Then I thought…what would be the resulting society if all become ANIMALS, or as my forefathers taught, “We are spiritual beings living in corporeal bodies. We are not animals living to die.”
Your way ultimately leads to a coarseness in society that I can barely endure, even today. I have seen AND LIVED the resulting tragedy.
When I was only a child, things were far different than they are today. Society was much better. Then the sexual revolution came, the pill and all the :LIBERATING LIES with it.
When you can FUCK an ANIMAL, you can KILL an “animal” too. WE ARE NOT ANIMALS. Well maybe, as you confessed, you are an animal. In that case, kindly disregard this post and carry on.
The Prof,
I greatly admire you, sir. Absolutely, it is the experiences I have seen and endured concerning women that could have turned me into an animal. It was a long struggle, but I am finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
That could have played out in terms of Gaming or a total change in attitude in which I could finally say Good-bye to the woman I loved and trusted for so many years. I do not love her. She is not worthy of me.
I will not feel any pressure, societal or otherwise, to lower myself to the level of an animal.
There are alternatives to gaming.
And lets be real about STD’s and any children involved. Come on. GET REAL! and stop trying to entice others into a life of misery. Shit it ain’t bad enough that so many women are whoring themselves out to this philosophy; BETRAYING OTHERS IN THE MOST HATEFUL AND EVIL MANNER.
Now to advocate that any man should just jump off the deep end at a stage when they are most vulnerable? Maybe the alphas are willing…and maybe we aren’t so lucky to have them, despite their other uses.
Oh my God. I am crying. What a fucking dumb list, you cunt.
If a woman were to make a list like this, it would be quite short:
I. Bend over in front of him.
The end.
And now I wish I would have tried to fuck her..So what can I do to get back in control…
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Mick,
In case you missed it; IGNORE HER.
Yeah, you probably missed a brilliant opportunity to fuck her, but is that really such a big deal? Go masturbate for cry’n out loud! (lol – no harm intended)
And if this girl is so spacy that she is doing a butterfly to catch compliments from males, then do you really think that is a basis for a successful relationship?
You already missed your opportunity to fuck her. No need to get to know her type further.
Just looking out for a bro.
This is appalling, not to mention totally incorrect. I would never in a million years be with a guy who acted this way.
I’m sure you wouldn’t “be” with a guy like this. But you sure would fuck him. You’re poor beta husband. Oh well, carry on.
beta male:
A man who is content with nontraditional gender roles; i.e., he is not threatened by intelligent and/or powerful women, and he does not have to be in control of every situation to maintain his sense of self. (Frequently, he does manifest a quiet kind of confidence and control over his surroundings, but it’s not important to him that this is noticed by others.)
A beta male is often introverted, intelligent, and introspective. Though he may have been branded a “nerd” growing up, the adult beta is frequently a thoughtful, capable, and fascinating individual whom many women find appealing.
Alpha males, especially those of lesser intelligence and abilities, tend to feel threatened by beta males, who are increasingly preferred by women in modern times.
“Carry on” LOL!
Who ever wrote this article, has a banker heart, no compassion or sincerity, and poor emotional intelligence. Lots of room for improvement.
LOTS of room for improvement!!!! LOL!
I agree, you’ll only date certain kinds of girls with this advice. Girls who are so out if it they just don’t know how to soul crush and whip a man into a frustrated hateful impotent shadow of manhood. A real woman is strong like a woman on TV and always gets her way and lots of money.
I feel sorry for anyone who follows this advice, you’ll only meet those dirty little supportive girls who aren’t part of the “destroy men” regime. The ones the rest of us call slut. God, they are embarrassing! They don’t even pick-up on our little underhanded games. They’re so easy to put down, they’re practically men.
Besides, they cross the union line! We’re pushing for an average of $25,000 invested per sexual encounter and these little bitches are making the value of pussy plummet. They’re practically giving it away! How can we sex as a currency in relationships with the way they behave? It’s called sexual FAVOR for a reason!
We’ve worked long and hard just to make sure that terminology like that is used and these idiot girls are throwing all our hard work for power and complete control away.
Go ahead and follow advice like this, you losers deserve each other!
he he he nice
it is easier not to be great
I’m a woman. I’m going to use your commandments just to piss you off. Have fun being rejected.
I’m sure CH will take your comment to heart and be very upset that you reject him. He’s obviously not a big boy who can deal with some frump rejecting him.
Enjoy the fiat beta bucks lozololzlzzz
What? All of this boils down to having self confidence/self esteem. Whether you are a man or a woman is irrlelevant – self esteem will always help you and lack of it will always doom you, in love and in other areas of life.
Some of those rules are fairly self-evident. I know for a FACT you should never tell a girl you love her first. NEVER. Women say they want sensitive, expressive men, but they only want the sensitive guy they can’t have, not the one they do have.
As a woman who has lived in places that don’t conform to standard Western expectations of sexuality, I’ve seen quite a few of these rules applied by guys in real life. I’d say it’s pretty much dead on to how a strong man naturally relates to his woman, with the cultural shame of feminism removed from the equation. Can this be used by guys to take advantage of you? Sure. But most guys who follow these rules are far more likely to be gracious in the morning and are generally more pleasant to be around. It takes the pressure off us, too – when the guy’s playing by the rules, it actually makes things easier for us, too. Honestly, I wish more American guys behaved this way.
i wont play the fucking stupid games of either sex anymore. ALL of you need to learn maturity… or die from stds.
my turtle farts better advice than this
Unfortunately, you apparently listen more closely to your turtle’s rear end than to your man…..if you ever had one.
Falka,
What is self-esteem, precisely? How does one maintain a healthy self-esteem? Doesn’t boil down so easily into a pithy comment, does it?
Also, further reading:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/the-problem-with-women-is-too-much-self-esteem/
I think I will just keep women out of my life completely until either this bullshit lie we’ve been programmed to believe is gone, or I’m dead, or both. There, problem solved!
Careful, careful with these.
If she’s a 8,9,10, spoilt beyond belief, then there’s no reason to abstain from applying these and even more cruel measures. If she’s a 5 that thinks herself a 10, same applies. But these women are mostly not LTR material anyway, so why bother? Fuck and leave. My SIL (a 9) got a bastard for a man – emotionally distant, harsh, rude – she’s loving it. Bitches love badass men and honestly, they deserve them. (Rule of themb – everything at or above a 9 in Bulgaria is a bitch. We still have fathers here, so it’s possible to be an 8 and a good woman. Don’t know ’bout the US. Don’t care ’bout the US).
Now a woman that has been humilated in her life – be it as a healthy punisment from mom/dad, or classmates, or whatever – she may actually refrain from attitude like this. Women who are loved (AND PUNISHED) by Dad and have a good, strong, confident father figure, may actually feel great in a 50:50 LTR (I said 50:50, not 100:0 for her)! Ladylikes haven’t died here, so chivalry hasn’t either.
A little advice that may apply to you – on the contrary to these rules, nice behaivior, chivalry, even flowers! ARE Essentual for a bitch! – to see you give them to others. Really, in her presense, treat her friends like ladies, may even bring a flower. Double accomplisment – she’ll be jealous, her friends will love it and deep inside thrive for seeing her teeth clench to the point of breaking (8,9,10s, especially with slutty attitude, they have no female friends – they treat their friends like orbiters, and women feel it, so they either run away or keep close as they may get the good men she abuses and turn them into mates). Anyway, they would LOVE YOU for rubbing that put up nose in the mud. And they may actually fall in love with you, too. When you get tired of her and dump her, her so called friends that she abuses will be more than happy about you having standards (thus dumping her) and you may have a good shot with them.
Normal women HATE bitchy women to death. It’s a boiling cocktail of emotions – jealousy, disgust with her attitude, disgust with the treatment they recieve – and this can be a very powerful tool for men. Problem is orbiters usually never exceed a 6 in their looks (beta women) – but this is irrevalent, you may not bed them. If you do, they may make for a good wife.
LMFAO! These comments are making me cry from laughter…
ar·ro·gant /ˈærəgənt/ Show Spelled[ar-uh-guhnt] Show IPA
adjective
1. making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official.
2. characterized by or proceeding from arrogance: arrogant claims.
Curious to know the age group of these “men” on here… 15-25?
Listen up gents, women are onto your games and therefore playing along if not better players at it. Who’s to blame??? Don’t know, Don’t care!
They are also very much aware of the “man codes” and possibly use them against you, so think about what you do before you do it :) Jokes on you!!!
SO Glad I don’t live in “AMERICA” :)
Аnd what do they gain by going against them?
Bear in mind that 96% of these guys are not talking like that to actual, breathing women face to face. This is a male blog. We’re not supposed to be here at all and have our gentle, lady-like eyes raped by this “arrogant” language (we’re here, beacuse we’re clever, sneaky and aware of the power of knowledge). But this is how men talk to each other. Aggressivness is a male quality that can be turned on and off. Turned on by men and men-like women, and off by feminine women. Men are aggressive, rude to each other. They start talking ugly things when not in the presence of women. Even the most gentleman-like. The single presence of two men in the absence of ladies is trigger enough. Get a lady in the room and the arrogance stops. Now, mind you, woman is not equal to a lady these days and men won’t treat her like one if she doesn’t actively express her femininity. Men are born with the sense to behave around women. It’s when women don’t behave that they stop doing so either. Me personally, I’ve had “arrogant misogynist pigs” which I’ve heard talking horrifying things about women, including desire for physical abuse, flutter like butterflies around me. Cads try to seduce me, get rejected and then go and tell my husband how lucky he is. Women have power, honey. The power of, believe me or not, weakness. Why they throw it away and try to compete creatures that were made to compLete them, I don’t know.
Good comment.
I’m one of the sociopaths trolling around here, but you just wrote a good comment.
Ding ding ding! we have a winner!
Agreed. 100%.
The naive, idiotic self absorbed protesting of women on this post. Its enough to enrage those who have been burned enough to recognize these truths. Found this blog two years ago. It was like discovering gold. I had been writing about this stuff and having strong, anti-mainstream opinions about women since i was a kid. Finding your blog was like an affirmation of everything id ever suspected, lurking in my subconscious. And then some….it raped my mind even further until i had no more delusions. The next phase is getting over the anger at womens true nature…thats the tough part.
Well, it may help to realise that there is a 99% possibility of you being no better than them. :)
Sorry to rape your mind further, but we’re not exactly the best creatures of the world.
1. You see an astonishingly hot woman in a fragile mental state, that exposed her vulnerability (just broke with her bf, serious depression, etc.). You can have sex with her, but know that you’ll leave her in a worse condition than you found her. Will you be a good man, abstain from her and refuse to deepen her problems? 99% you will have sex with her, regardless of the consequences for the woman. Fair? No. Natural? Yes.
2. You go around and see a sweet, lonely wallet full of money. No one’s around. You have the I.D., so you know who dropped it. You have the address. Will you please return it? 99% chance of you saying resounding YES! – until you actually find the wallet, get the money and throw the rest away. Human nature.
3. The woman is ugly. And lonely. But full of love, and virtues and so on and so on. Just like a beta male. Will you please sacrifise just one of your erections to make her happy? 99% the answer is… let me guess. No.
4. You have a colleague who is just a hair away of a promotion. Fails he, you win the promotion. You suddenly see an opportunity – you can take away a vital document, hide it and he kabooms. No one will see, no one will hear. Will you do it? Betcha.
Actually, I have posted several situations from my actual life, where a male friend or a relative has been into. No one did what they should. And that’s natural. To think of oneself before all others is a vital quality. Lying, cheating, manipulation, use of force – all are evolutionary justified. Foolish of you to project bad qualities that are vital signs of mental health for every human being onto women. Understand that a selfish person is a mentally healthy person. Regard gestures of kindness not as something to expected, but as gifts. Realise that the person who’s going out of their way to help you are not expected to do so. It’s against their evolutionary program to sacrifise resources, time and feelings for you. When I cook a meal for my man I’m gifting him my time and effort. A man who sees a woman better than lil ol’ me and refuses to cheat is giving me the gift of loyalty. When I go to buy him antibiotics with my money and don’t go to work so I can stay and watch him, I’m gifting him my precious resources that I could spend for myself. When he risks his life to save me from a robbery he’s risking his most prized possession for me. Are we obliged to do so? No. No one owes nothing to no one. We do it because we want to. We want to give gifts and be gifted in return.
Even to the super duper Alpha male, if he turnes his back, there is a good chance his back will be stabbed by the very woman/man who he thinks he’s in control of. Is she/he a bitch? No, she/he’s a human being. They see an opportunity and seize it. It’s when they have the opportunity but don’t use it when we’re talking unnatural behavior here. This is why love makes the world turn, lol. If not, there will be constant backstabbing, hatred, manipulation in families. And society will be ruined, so will our supremacy as humans.
Sorry for being ugly and hard on you. But you have to drop your romantic attitude and start expecting people – women or men – to be what they are – people.
Sounds about right. Women are bitches, men are assholes. So the man rules above only apply to most women, not the unique outlying few who aren’t self-serving, soul crushing bitches.
You fail to glean the context of my post. The anger stems from waking up to the lies we men have been conditioned to believe…and the lack of success and plethora of rejection we experience prior to learning the truth. I dont throw women under the bus…but i do squash their sense of entitlement in our feminized culture with zero remorse. Its good for society and good for me as women tend to respect men who bring them off the ego nourishing, but vagina drying pedestal they deal with ad nauseum. If you read my post youll see that i also acknowledge the struggle of hating women for the truths of what drives them…implying that it is up to men to come to peace with the truth and work with it.
Btw do you feel good being a condescending droneee? Nothing you said “raped my mind” (glad that’s catching on) and your assertion that everyone is manipulative…while correct…is not a sign of normalcy. Common yes…abnormal if you have any integrity. But i fullyadmit people with no inegrity succeed wih depressing regularity. Be cunning…but be good in ur heart.
Hey, the plain fact that millions of women in the USA are absolutely CRAZY over 50 Shades of Gray and the two sequels is evidence that the above has a lot of credence too it. And it’s spreadingf globally. Sorry ladies, with no disrespect. How do you explain it?
con·de·scend·ing/ˌkändəˈsendiNG/
Adjective:
Acting in a way that betrays a feeling of patronizing superiority.
(of an action) Demonstrating such an attitude.
A drone, if I remember correct, is a male bee. I didn’t get that. Not my native language, sorry.
If I feel any superiority over you, it stems from the fact that you still believe that a “heart” is supposed to be “good”, and honestly, it sounds like a statement propagandized by a certain billion dollar American corporate giant. ;)
“I dont throw women under the bus…but i do squash their sense of entitlement in our feminized culture with zero remorse.”
This is good, you’ve made a step in the right direction. False beliefs, oxymorons like “cunning, but good at your heart” (?!) and illusions of the sort have to go. Then you may join the rest of the world which deals with this and uglier truths. Americans are the most nanny-governed nation in the world and I see the results in your answer.
“i also acknowledge the struggle of hating women for the truths of what drives them”
I told you how to do that. Admit human nature. Quit feeling disappointed by humans. If a person, man or a woman, hasn’t disappointed you yet it’s because you haven’t let them close enough. Being in the state that you’re in, the question is not if, but how they’ll disappoint you and would you be able to deal with it. Once you start realising that women and men are not “good at the heart”, and simply won’t be, you will stop getting disappointed, thus stop hating women.
“your assertion that everyone is manipulative…while correct…is not a sign of normalcy. ”
Nonsense. Believing in truths is a sign of normalcy. Self-delusion is not. You admit you’ve been spoon-fed lies, as have the rest of Americans. My point is correct and you acknowledge it. Yet you brand me deviated for believing it? This logic doesn’t fly. Not in the real world.
Get real.
Lulz! Love this blog…lots o’laffs in here. Keep trying, guys! One of these days the Game will pay off, and you’ll have the chance to fuck a diseased Moldovan prostitute with nappy extensions, duck lips, and a badly botched labiaplasty! DON’T GIVE UP THE DREAM!!
[heartiste: me-yoow.]
you ma se poes
I think you mean jou, not you. But…then again…you probably don’t have a clue…
Wow Poon the way u addressed your self “the best, your Lord & king” , just answered my question “who do u think u are!?!”
He’s our lord… and king.
Who the fuck are you?
Heartiste, when you have failed all this with a particular lady, is there a way to turn around and make good.
LMAOL, A man who follow those rules will learn a lesson with me. Only women’s with low self stem will put out with these lol rules.” Eye for an eye” and by the way no orgasm for him.(not even sex) Try italians girls.
This shit is fucking retarded.
What are the commandments for women?
[heartiste: I. Be hot.
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hmm, how about that. seems the slates broke in pieces and dropped somewhere along the descent from the mountaintop. this is all we have left.]
Haha. Ok but we’re not all 9s /10s you know… So if we’re supposed to want to get married (and I do) and have babies ( I do, white) what can I do to keep things going on the right track? Let’s say I already lost the extra 70lbs, grew out my long luscious hair, etc, etc.
wow this post is..different. Im still a v and after reading this i get this feeling that all woman/girls are twisted and backwards kinda makes me sick. i tired being a good boyfriend but Ive been cheated on a lot so that obviously doesn’t work out. im going to try this post out on my current girlfriend cause shes starting to ignore me. if shes wants to play this little disgusting game ill make her fall in love.
As a 47 y/o beta I have to tell you that these 16 rules are all basically correct.
An old timer told me this 15 years ago, and TO ME is the most important commandment: “Don’t go driving down the street without a spare tire in the trunk.” – meaning have at least two women sexually available to you at all times.
Regular sex and human contact is absolutely ESSENTIAL to good emotional and spiritual health. If need be, purchase it (preferably at a good price) until you can get it for *free*.
Genuine sexual attraction and seduction occur within a zone 1 to 4 inches away from another person. They key is to feel comfortable occupying that zone.
Finally, avoid American women as much as possible. Travel abroad to Mexico, Latin America, Eastern Europe and Russia, Asia where the women are more in tune with their femininity and sexuality.
When all else fails, visit the Zona Norte in Tijuana with $200 cash in your front pocket and passport card in other.
i feel like a lot of the woman who bash these commandments are the women who make their men the bitches in the relationship. okay, you’re right, this is not all 100% true but if even a portion of this wasnt true at all; every single male in history would be a submissive needy little douche. but thats the thing every single male in history is not a submissive little douche. that is what woman want their man to be but when we decide to think for ourselves for once its being an “asshole.” then when we succumb to doing your every little bid we’re inferior and become needy and submissive you leave him for an asshole. so cliche’ but its true its fucking insane. In fact i can agree that most men who follow at least half of these commandments end up getting the most beautiful and high class women. while the needy little douches get the average looking woman who who has him tied to a ball and a chain and end up getting their hearts broken and that is why every man turns to these commandments and becomes the asshole you women desire but just dont want to admit to. NOT speaking specifically because everyone’s situation is different. just speaking generally from what ive witnessed and experienced. never will i let a woman control me and have the satisfaction of knowing she can leave me anytime and expect me to chase after her. ive done it once before and got burned.
Some of this is universally human…..the rest is only going to interest some very insecure men….and sadly stop you from really connecting with someone…….
What a load of hot runny nasty projectile poop! Shit! God!-Damn! The only thing I seen up in there makes a damn lick of sense is the *FUCK HER GOOD* section. And honey, that oughta be re-worded so as to sayin’ somethin’ more along the lines of: “FUCK HER RIGHT, OR DON’T FUCK HER AT ALL”…Six Ways To Sunday, Sideways, In a Sideway’s Flash, Upside Down, Inside Out, Every Damn Kinda Way But Loose And Yet Loose, Too…even if, tho & still (as my drag queen friend, Shanay, likes to say, “Bitch, you gotta get it right and get it tight, and girl you know thas right!”) You Mens sure as shit had best to not be coming all up in the *bedroom* okay?! (or where the fuk-evah), talkin’ a whole lotta trash about how you such and such and so good and what a stud you is, and how you is in high demand as the international playboy club president ladie’s man? And how then you theyfoe knows just what we wants and needs, only how we is ignorant to these things, even though we is hoes in your humble opinion, but still we ain’t had no master schoolin’. Eyerolls…Is it your humble opinion that women are supposed to be sheep with barbie bodies factory farmed out of the san fernand’oh! freakin’ valley who are really good at faking it for next to de nada for scum scamster net mob moguls to rake in mils and bils by farming out the products they produce and get paid for oh prolly once and a pitiful pittance by compare? Hey, they just dumb compliant plentiful sheep, right. Fuck You. Ima ought to get some MK Ultra up on you ass, see if you don’t see thangs differently then. Hunh. Humans. Y’all makes me ill.
Autumntime,
And the livin’ is easy
Election’s over
And the Dems win again
The governments rich
And your O-beta-bama is giving
So hush big black baby
Don’t you cry
I am just going to put this out there. The point isn’t about my motivation for doing so nor about your possible reaction. This is what the Bible says about male-female love and relationships. The point isn’t about whether you agree or disagree. I’m just putting this out there for your intellectual consideration. Here’s what the Bible says:
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So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” (Gen. 1:27-28).
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The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” (Gen. 2:18).
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But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh. (Gen. 1:20-24).
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Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev. 19:18).
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If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married. (Deut. 24:5).
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May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
A loving doe, a graceful deer—
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be intoxicated with her love.
Why, my son, be intoxicated with another man’s wife?
Why embrace the bosom of a wayward woman? (Prov. 5:18-20).
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You ask, “Why?” It is because the Lord is the witness between you and the wife of your youth. You have been unfaithful to her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.
Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful to the wife of your youth.
“The man who hates and divorces his wife,” says the Lord, the God of Israel, “does violence to the one he should protect,” says the Lord Almighty.
So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful. (Mal. 2:14-16).
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“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. (Matt. 5:27-32).
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“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matt. 5:43-48).
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Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” (Matt. 22:33-40).
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The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Rom. 13:9-10).
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For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. (Gal. 5:14-15).
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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. (1 Cor. 13:4-8).
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Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. (Eph. 5:21-33).
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“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. (Rev. 22:12-15).
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There you go. Comments both positive and negative are welcome.
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I’ve been screwing girls and seeking to screw girls all over the world for the last 16 years or so, and such an experience has led me to believe that (for me, but for many, many, many other men, as well) the following advice is the best advice:
Go fuck prostitutes, preferably in countries where prostitution is legal and well-regulated by the state (places in Latin America fit into this category) or where it is at least tolerated and not run by a ruthless mafia (Romania is ok in this regard, as well.)
Unless you’re rather attractive and / or wealthy, the chances are that you ain’t getting any tonight or anytime soon for that matter; the exception to this truism is if you don’t have a problem with bagging ladies from the none-too-attractive crowd (who often are, truth be told, eager to get laid) If you don’t mind slipping your dick in the unattractive ladies (to not give them any other name,) then by all means do so; however, I’ve done that enough to know that I tend to lose my hard-on pretty quickly (or can’t really get a full-on one) in such situations.
Just pay generally about 20 – 35 bucks or so and shag the shit out of (with a condom, though) foreign hotties, many of whom like sex, won’t play asinine games with you and who — often not knowing English — will also end up helping you improve your skills in their language.
The answer to mens’ women problems exists and takes the form of disease-free, safe sex-practicing, reasonable fee-charging non-American, drama-less prostitutes. Those are my two cents on the matter.
So, the reason for all of this is to protect a fearful ego. Sad. If a man can’t give from his heart without fear that it will be used against him, he cannot ever be free. Relationships with master and slave means that they are both in chains. Consider this: I am the master of me – you are the master of you. We own ourselves…
Of course it’s all fearful ego. But extremely entertaining, no? Like watching a train wreck in progress.
Sandra, you’re right. It is sad. It’s also reality. A man should never give that kind of upper hand to a woman. She loses respect for him and it’s not good for the relationship.
This won’t work on every woman. Some of the fundamentals are absolutely solid; don’t make your partner your only priority, have true strength of character, and be able to walk away when you aren’t getting what you need. Every man on Earth should learn those things. The others will only be good for initially attracting a woman, and even then only weak ones; if you try to make her jealous and refuse to compliment her, she’s going to leave if she has any self respect. Then again, a hot enough girl probably only gets attention because she’s hot. If you approach her under any other context, you’re guaranteed to stand out.
Overall a decent starting point.
There are really only two rules.
1) Be strong and confident
2) Fuck her well
Number one covers everything. If you try to apply a list of rules like, ‘don’t say I love you first’, it is an ipso facto sign of insecurity. Be as smarmy as the mood strikes you to be, be as into her as the mood strikes you…if you’re truly confident it won’t be a turn-off but a turn on. On the other hand, if you’re insecure and needy and smarmy it’s a turn-off. Confidence does not an asshole make…it’s EXACTLY the opposite.
I wholeheartedly agree that the list could be pared down (or modified and individualized). Men and women cannot, however, have equal footing in a romantic context; it’s impossible due the perversely dichotomous sexuality you women have been imbued with.
Most men have been force fed from an all-you-can-eat bullshit buffet since we were boys. We have been inculcated to be chivalrous, and to expect women to respond to our goodness with undying fealty and boundless love. After all, isn’t that the premise of every retarded romance piece out there? “Just keep being an honorable man – some girl will see your worth.” When a man starts peeling away the pretty masks that sheath the duplicitous visage of most women, he realizes he must take precautions.
I am a recovering beta, Liz, and the only prescription… is constructive apathy. If you are confident, but come from a place of kindness, women will sub consciously label you as weak, and move on to something better than beta. Women aren’t inadvertently attracted to assholes as a moth accidentally veers into a flame – they are directly drawn to the fire. Women love the men who use them, and use the men who love them. Seen it a thousand times.
So no, you can’t act on your merry impulses – even if you are approaching, confident, etc. A good man has to channel his goodness into everything but the women he desires.
^This is all based on non-fictional women, and what they respond to. It’s your game, and some of us intend to win it.
Beware the pyrrhic “victory”.
It’s nobody’s fault this stuff works. You and some of the other chateau she-bros seem pretty open minded – perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you are so up in feathers over this info? Would you rather have men reading books on how to cultivate emotional intelligence? End up as slaves to insatiable masters?
I love this:)
You have summed up the (amoral but effective) principles of seduction. I would say, the core of them are pretty much the same for both men and women.
Been on either sides of it. . The hunted and (of course, later) the hunter.
Seen both men and women end up obsessed with their partners who followed such principles. Relationships get strained and then snap. Most of the time. Or they become a drag because at the end of the day, you just lose patience to go through the turmoil or act like you are all important and confident.
I wouldn’t have been on either side had I been a little less damaged. Ugly game. But people do enjoy it. Serves their ego.
Tc.
Smells like bitter, virgin man-children in here… Catnip to women, in other words. No, wait, the OPPOSITE of catnip to women.
Guys, if you need a bunch of tips, rules and regulations to meet women then you’ve already fucked up. You’ll only ever score with the busted, depressed, insecure crazies with this approach; though perhaps that’s all you’re willing to aim for…
Outstanding quest there. What occurred after?
Thanks!
My most lasting relationships have played out exactly like this article until I had enough and walked away. My shortest relationships and the ones that never got off the ground would have gone against every piece of advice here, these are facts.
I don’t actively need or seek advice on women and just happened to stumble across this article, but it’s slightly strange to see some of my observations and analysis written down independently by someone I’ve never met.
If you take away from these points that you should treat women with disdain and genrally like cr*p, you need to read it again, and again. The solid advice here is that you should always be true to yourself andmaintain your self worth and self respect. Refusing to pander to a woman in the middle of one of her emotional/low esteem moments is NOT the same as treating her like cr*p.
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No need to contact me, or pay. Just pat the following emoticon of two women scissoring:
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Pat five times while rubbing your stomach with the other hand and make a wish, and your lost sweety will come back to you quicker than you can say charlatan crack!
Wait a minute…my scissoring emoticon didn’t come out right…trying again:
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Oh boo, must be a tech glitch. Ah well…need an edit button.
for the people who are offended, its because your cover has been blown.
you sir, are king
I must say I agree with a lot of these points, but not all of them. This viewpoint is logically flawed and negated from the beginning, because there is no formula that will magically apply to “all” women, or men, for that matter. Every brain is different. While these commandments do offer some good advice, on the whole they do no more than generalize people and predict reactions that they do NOT know will occur. Entertaining writing, though.
Bravada – It can be perceived that way, of course. And perhaps that is the right way to see it, when you are still figuring out life. But, there comes a point when you will have things pretty well nailed down and, strangely enough, will be interested in her opinions. It’s like looking at a painting: after knowing the painting for a long time, you begin to see things in it that suggest deeper aspects: variations in technique and light and depth. To get the most out of a woman, after you’ve figured her out pretty much, you really have to shift into another gear: slower, reading the clues in her mind through the windows of her words, supporting areas where she can he made stronger, probing fears to make them disappear. These are things that open non-verbal understanding channels, and I have yet to find a women that does not want to be understood – even if it dissolves her armor.
Women really want, most of all, to be appreciated. Rinse and repeat. The fact is that recent social changes have made it difficult for a man to appreciate a woman (principally because they are too busy with the need to live up to this or that feminist objective). The assertive behavior, the lack of healthy humor, the obligatory sarcasm that sadly serves as a cheap substitute for genuine wit, the need to look for confrontation as a means of establishing social order and serf-perceived power, the unnecessary defensive need to assign blame upon others, to maintain an image of strength … all these behaviors that seem to be the personality characteristics that one sees again and again in women who consider themselves to be “strong” are the very behaviors that men do not even like when they find them in other men. Why should they be pleased to find in women?
My experience is that women themselves feel uneasy with these pretensions, but have been told that they are what they must do to survive in the mythical never-was “man’s world.” If a women is genuinely appreciated for what she does well, she eventually comes to understand that all the image-building and assertive nonsense is just that, and that she does not need it. Unfortunately, some women are not good students, and – by the time they learn – they have lost the best opportunities in their lives for happiness and fulfillment. But, I’ve seen so many times that the perceptive man can “see” where a given woman “needs.” And, if she is helped toward that, and given the appreciation that she deserves, the armor dissolves and the dragon dies spontaneously.
The Sixteen Commandments are not at all “wrong.” But, they are much more than a means of gaming to score. I would augment them with many other ideas, but – as they are – they are the armour that – in these times – keeps a man safe from the dragon until he finds a woman that he wants to solve. And, whether it is politically correct or not, I have found that the great majority of women WANT to be solved (remaining a mystery is a pain, and she can never depend on his really knowing her), and WANT to be a whole partner to man (and not the other way around).