Social aspects of GamrgateI Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:19:32 No. 71957
I've been thinking, and I've noticed two ways you might find this interesting, now that I thought of it.
While transphobia, racism, hatred of women/misandry, SJW/MRA etc etc is a significant portion of the various factions and clusterfucks which Gamergate is - a large portion of it seems to be class struggle. Or more specifically: Gamergate is A. A class struggle over who "owns" the gaming/geek industry (Regionalism/family ties), and B. a symptom of the "gentrification" of the internet. A /baphomet/ poster noticed this analogy hilariously given his experience with "SJW" scene. A. Struggle over the industry. The original "creators" of geek culture were science fiction fans. science fiction was cheap, easy to get to/read, etc. Comics was similar. It was democratized. My main focus though is gaming industry/culture, and perhaps "Tech" fields and american comic-cons. The original innovators were mainly middle class white males, with a few blacks and asians, etc. They worked pretty much "from the ground". They weren't exactly ghetto poor, but they weren't priviledged bourgoeise either. Pretty much, they built the internet. They developed it. The internet culture 'originally' was pretty formal, but as the internet democratized it adopted the wild west/BBS mentality which you attach to the "old school" internet (Which itself was only one part of the internet). The dial-up BBSes with hacking information which is now horribly outdated (TOTSE.com was the last remnant of that culture which was somewhat active with a forum; textfiles.com is a static mirror of that era) The "Eternal September" was a democratization of the internet. There was problems with aspect of culture, but it was not exactly a sense of 'our culture will be wiped out' as internet culture, or what we consider as internet culture did not develop yet (absent alt.tasteless and trolling which prompted the meow wars on usenet) Some administrators of forums managed to get rich. Lowtax might have been one of the first forum owners/admins to have made money. The admin of newgrounds did as well. They were still 'attached' to forum culture, so there was not as much of a problem, even though there was say rumbles that (in the case of newgrounds) 'it's not as good as it "used to" be.' By this time, it is I guess 2006-08. This is when web 2.0 becomes popular. The first aspects of perhape some resistance to commercialization comes up. Mainly people saying web 2.0 is shit and hype. People are 'meh' and "transition" over seamlessly, and arguably there was no 'real' difference between web 1.0 and 2.0 other than perhaps graphics. However, the social capital and social status of "geeks" has risen since I guess the 1980s, and arguably always has been high. Due to historical revisionism of the concept of 'geek culture' being oppressed (for truth or not, there may have been that oppression, but on the other hand you had Carl Sagan and Issac Asimov in 1970s on national television, and Gingrich brags/bragged about liking science fiction and going to sci-fi cons) As the social status of this scene rises, it attaches attention and networks, often with individuals from other 'scenes' Note this has historically happened in the US. Nouveau Riche Oil Barons and Industrialists/"Captains of Industry" intermarried with European nobility, or old money from "back east.". Enter Zoe Quinn. Zoe Quinn, aka Chelsea Van Valkenburg is from said old money, her family name guarantees a scholarship to a university in New York State. Van Valkenburg is not the only case. There's some drama with "Alternate literature" with some taiwanese guy accused of being a shitty boyfriend from stuff years ago (his father or grandfather patented a bunch of stuff; not 'old money' but not 'i made it myself' I think his last name was 'Lin'). Pretty much, the tech scene in the West Coast developed and people from the East began to intermingle with the new industry. They may have different values than the original anarchic internet denizens have. At least somewhat (After all, some of the antigamergate people are internet natives). Gamergate is in essense, a struggle over who controls the internet. Which cultures will run it. Due to again, historical revision the old internet has been considered an anarchist free fire zone with no morality or niceness, and the new internet is supposed to be an authoritarian dictatorship of "miss manners" mentality. Again, historical revisionism but these sides have crystallized. And, the struggles of calling out 'fake geek girls' (people taking advantage of the new priviledge of these scenes and trying to 'steal it' from the original people) and hipsters (blatant status stealers from a different 'scene' which might be able to afford going to art school, or whatnot). That would make some sense. And on to B:
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:27:44 No. 71959
Gaming is for kids, no one cares.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:27:55 No. 71960 >Black Nazi Into the trash!
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:31:41 No. 71963
People should help GG if they are able to do so.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:32:00 No. 71964
B. "Gentrification of the Internet". In a way this makes sense, and this is pretty much A. But there is some differences. Gentrification is more of the sense of "the internet is changing in ways we do not like." This is a bit different than the "trust fund/hipster kids from out east and SJW are hijacking our culture" but it's related. As the guy from /baphomet/ said, it's more of a group of people are changing things about in a different manner. People who like rickrolling and LOLcats, but probably don't want to be "goatsed" or be linked to child porn. In this case, as the guy makes the case, there is a sense of "Wanting people who spend more money." Note that SomethigAwful still has a $10 registration fee, and aparently a bunch of them have priviledged positions (one of the people killed in the attack on US Embassy in Benghazi was a SA mod who helped the users with passports and travel bureaucracy). Furthermore, several SomethingAwful users are apparently connected with "new media"/are influential parts of certain departments. Note for example, Zoe Quinn was (is?) a SomethingAwful forum member. The $10 fee preselects some people for having money (arguably; again this is vague).
Due to the increasing trends of middle ad upper class people using the internet for more than just 'work', you see this gentrification of the internet. So you see the rise of websites like quora which have a priviledged userbase as its' members (check it out; it's a good site but it does have a high amount of engineers, well-off programmers, people connected to silicon valley, people who went to U of Chicago and Ivy League and Tsinghua, etc etc). So some sites, might have pressure to dump the old fanbase for a "new" one which isn't so controversial. After all, apparently a lot of Moot's priviledged friends don't like parts of his site, and he wishes to monetize it and not be known for running "The asshole of the internet" as /b/ was known as.
You can likely tie this clique of new media hipsters with trends like TED and how TED has pretty much been used to promote liberal free-market, end-of-history "Everything will be better" strain of thought.
*oh I forgot. Brianna Wu also had 100k USD sent from her parents to pay for her game development company. So there's a class aspect to that too in her case.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:38:01 No. 71968 >>71964
I forgot: the fact that "trust fund hipster" is used by gamergate against anti gamergate seems to also be a good symptom/case.
I wonder how people will look at this decades from now. Will it look like the "Disco sucks" people where race/regionalism/class/etc and whatnot were ignored in favor of conflict of scenes as to why shit went bad/blew up at this specific case.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:38:19 No. 71969
I think that there are parallels between Gamergate and the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
Both involved people saying something that other people don't like and those other people thinking that they are entitled to enact punishment on the first group.
There IS a class aspect involved, but it isn't simply rich people versus poor people, although I will say that there is no coincidence that the people who have the time to make social justice their prime directive tend to be a lot wealthier than those they demonize.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:41:25 No. 71970
>>71960 >ignoring his interesting and well-thought-out post because he's BN
you fucking faggots give BN more bullshit and less respect than you do to NazBol, NatSoc, and WN. YOU go into the trash, faggot.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:44:33 No. 71973
Anyway, yes OP, there are strong undercurrents of class conflict in GamerGate, but everything is a mess these days.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:45:27 No. 71974
At the end of the day, it's rich people using social justice as a means to gain the moral high ground. They use extreme political correctness to police and condemn anyone outside of the groupthink by blacklisting them.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:52:47 No. 71979
Yeah, but what do you think about my regionalism aspect and 'as scenes become popular they intermingle with the old elite' (which is different than 'shit gets popular').
ie schrznegger;s ex-wive was is an extended member of the kennedys a family out east, and her parents were Chicago politicians IIRC
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 02:53:25 No. 71981
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:08:51 No. 71989
fuck off liberal scum
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:13:08 No. 71991
bullshit and a dangerous thing to believe.
the oppression and social problems are real, your paranoia and cognitive bias is not.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:17:17 No. 71993
You are not the only one whose recognized this OP. I have seen this pattern to. Even if /pol/ tried to make it look like #Gamergate is being coopted by leftist after Internet Aristocrat left because no one wanted to be his Personal Army.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:19:30 No. 71994
gamergate should probably just fuck off and fund their own "ethical" websites if they're so pissed off at what people who don't live inside a basement enjoy.
no one would want to read that garbage besides some h4xx0r fucking detached techpriest lunatic they're the world's biggest kids and no one gives a single fuck about their childish complaints worse than fucking liberal feminists
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:40:56 No. 72002
>>71994 >>71994 >they're so pissed off at what people who don't live inside a basement enjoy. >Implying all #gamergate supporters are basement dwellers >Implying you didn't strawman #gamergate. >Implying you aren't just as bad as Liberal feminazi's when they call everyone they don't like Manchild, woman hater, and Harassers.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:45:30 No. 72004
i'm sure the gg #gamerGate revolution is upon us and all humans will join hand in hand and walk into the brighter future that hash tag Gg is offering us
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:51:49 No. 72008
Go the fuck back to
with that bullshit.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:54:03 No. 72012
Your argument is actually too broad for Gamergate. You're correct that this is two different communities fighting over the gaming industry and what to make of it. The SJWs want to control the market and regulate it to their wants and desires. Having little understanding or experience with the communities involved, they are utilizing the same moral tactics and outrage of people like Frederick Wertham or Jack Thompson. Their plan was pretty insidious if you think about it. Control with a top down method so that no one can fight back. What wasn't expected was how resourceful underground resources and places like Youtube and Twitter were in allowing ANYONE to have a say in a discussion. Now there are fiefdoms in SA, Reddit, and all these other places to shut down the conversation. On Youtube, it's less of a method and other places are more varied and disperse. Without controlling for those variables, the messages got through and effectively routed out the SJW infection that had been spreading for some time.
But make no mistake on what this is a result of. This is capitalism running its course with the bourgeoisie fighting against the entertainment interests of the proletariat they look down upon with disdain.
The difference is that the fight is from people close that Hollywood's fight with gaming which is outsiders looking in. This still happens here, but the SJW are trying to pretend to be gamers to colonize them.
This causes the conservative reaction whereupon they fought and resisted, advocating a free market approach. With the SJW useful idiots, they've made some headway into pushing in the power struggle with SJWs for a more conservative leaning gaming industry.
This isn't going without notice from Socialist gamers nor our analysis of the situation though…
While there's an ethics issue, they're building a community (slowly) which is resisting and dismantling the messaging of the SJWs.
What Socialists can do is continue to fight back instead of allowing the SJWs to speak for them. Building better resources that understand the class issues helps immensely.
Make no mistake, the SJWs are the result of capitalism allowing these kids to be born in wealth and muh privilege and feeling guilty about it. They have no way to truly identify with the proletariat and work to undermine the working class for their own benefit. That's why they're dangerous.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:56:13 No. 72013
After supporting Gamergate since it started, I've come to the conclusion that is was a bunch of fed-up gamers finally dealing with what was only an annoyance anyway.
Even if Gamergate didn't make such a big fuss and burnt out after the first month, Gawker would still be hemorrhaging cash and everything would have settled into where it is now. I don't think Gamergate should stop, but it's dealing with a non-issue.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:56:18 No. 72014 >>71994 >fund their own "ethical" websites
they're doing that
>people who don't live inside a basement
Right, like all these well-adjusted AGGs and gamejournos. see pic.
>no one would want to read that garbage besides some h4xx0r fucking detached techpriest lunatic >h4xx0r fucking detached techpriest lunatic
What in the name of fuck are you talking about?
>they're the world's biggest kids and no one gives a single fuck about their childish complaints
They're a culture shaking off an attempt at colonization. Yes, it's fucking video games, and it's internet. It's not a priority. But ignoring it and shitting on it is a total propaganda failure.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:56:58 No. 72016
well maybe this whole thread should fuck right off to
instead of spewing it's neck sweat into a leftist political board
or go to
if you honestly insist on talking about things that don't fucking matter
fucking jealous nerds
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 03:58:54 No. 72019 >>71991 >bullshit and a dangerous thing to believe.
the oppression and social problems are real, your paranoia and cognitive bias is not.
Of course it isn't bullshit. The entire framework of the social justice ideology is built around ignoring class factors in favor of gender/race/sexuality. It provides a convenient veneer of concern for the less fortunate, and provides an outlet of emotional release for those who have actual emotions.
The class divide in the U.S. is
stark, so much so that the upper crust has very little in common culturally with the rest. The only way to justify self-identified liberalism while enjoying the muh privileges of wealth is to shift blame to other factors that can be justified by statistics but have negligible bearing upon the situation relative to the income of the family you're born into. Social mobility is a statistical lottery win, the current economic distribution makes the wealthy class de facto aristocrats. And that suits them just fine, less competition for their progeny. For the children of muh privilege who "want to make a difference", they have windmills to throw their money at rather than risk upsetting the scales of class power.
These days the only way to become upper class is by nuzzling up to a wealthy corporation or patron. Business regulations, certainly necessary and the apple of liberal eyes, serve more to handicap small upstarts than reign in rampaging behemoths; look at the state of the fucking patent system, even if a some dude developed the singularity in their garage, he'd have to spend millions if not billions to defend from patent trolls and corporations like Apple with more available liquid than many nations. You even see this psuedo-feudal organization on the internet.
The disappointing, incompetent children of this class were asked what they wanted for Christmas, and they wanted to be involved in vidya. Since daddy does things like contract for defense, an
corrupt market where a huge portion of the records are classified away from the public's eye, he says "ok, whatever" and strings get pulled because:
>>71959 >Gaming is for kids, no one cares.
and he wants to keep his shameful child away from anything that matters.
But they don't want to be the stuffy ole game devs, they want to be
, so they go into "Indie Dev" and since they also want to "change the world" they start pushing the neo-Marxist claptrap they learned from bottom-tier professors in the joke majors that exist primarily as a means to shuffle idiots like them through the system for monetary reasons. Because corruption comes naturally to them because of the nature of class in the U.S, and since they were basically taught Stalinism as liberal thought, they clump together and oust the undesirables so they may achieve their vision.
So one of the few outlets left where an innovator can make real money with limited resources is once again stymied by the upper classes. This time it's the loin detritus of the last generation misguidedly acting as the gatekeepers to the what should be the portion of the games market most accessible to new businesses.
Not conspiracy. Misguided, amoral idiots with shekels to spare. They're running it like a racket, and they're trying use the media to lean on bigger fish.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 04:01:54 No. 72024
>>72014 >they're doing that
then stop complaining about things you don't like
>well-adjusted, pic related
i honestly do not fucking care
find your own high school social group to hang out with
>They're a culture shaking off an attempt at colonization
no they're babies upset that people don't like their nerd ass male waifu loving bullshit
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 04:12:20 No. 72034
No seriously, fuck this shit. All modern "AAA" games are overpriced linear story-based buy&trash consumerist bullshit wrapped in fancy graphics for kids to consume like junk food and throw it away when they're done. No one cares about this market which is the perfect embodiment of capitalism's most rotten core, no one cares about their retarded consumers being sheared like sheep when they buy such trash, no one cares about the gaming industry most of which is shit anyway and certainly no one cares about gaming journalism which is a field so irrelevant that I never heard about it before the whole GG crap. Who gives a fucking shit about what a journalist has to say about games? This is a masquerade, a retard contest that has nothing to do with /leftypol/ or politics in general. Fuck gamergaters, fuck anti-gamergaters, fuck anyone who thinks games must be taken seriously in politics. Triple fuck you all.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 04:32:57 No. 72049
Easy now, sweetcheeks. You're going to strain your back dodging the point that hard.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 04:39:29 No. 72058
wait he was trying to do what? i thought he left because gamergate wasn't being /pol/ style 'fuck shit up' angry mob.
8chan got a majority of its' posters from gamergate exodus from 4chan
The "SJW" are knowledgable and experienced with gaming/internet culture. Zoe Quinn was a member of Helldump, which for those unaware were the SomethingAwful members who out a pedophile or furry or something "undesirable" in their culture, dump dox on them to humiliate them and vote on banning them. Apparently one person committed suicide due to that sort of shit ("cumulus clouds" on wikipedia)
>>Their plan was pretty insidious if you think about it. Control with a top down method so that no one can fight back.
Actually "SJWs" did not exactly go top-down, there is a strong grassroots organization for "SJW" ideology (and give how the culture has changed drastically on the chans in the last few years, I'll define it as "feminism which verges on misandrisy, as promoted by some white women" as that is the main argument/focus on "SJW" which gamergate is fighting. (transphobia is a new thing on chan culture, compare the promotion of 'traps' on *chans of ~2007 or so - now that I thik of it I dont even think encyclopediadramatica was very transphobic)
>>What wasn't expected was how resourceful underground resources and places like Youtube and Twitter were in allowing ANYONE to have a say in a discussion.
Careful, again Zoe Quinn is knowledgeable about forum culture so despite her being raided she was aware of aspect of chan culture and how it could be used to her benefit. Not saying she is a supervillain like some said, but for example claiming wizardchan raided her in december 2013 is a case in point of her knowing society will blame depressed virgins on a chan due to bigotry against them.
Furthermore, Brianna Wu used the chan culture narrative to promote her claim of vitimization when someone went and analyzed he videos showing she
never left the house
those times when she claimed she was doxxed by channers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuoQL3m7yJI&list=UU8RJExf7iNpV6tp6hvNtwww >>This still happens here, but the SJW are trying to pretend to be gamers to colonize them.
gamers, but a different set of gamer. And remember, the douchebaggery/misogyn of 'gaming culture' is only somethign which dates from the rise of online FPS gaming, arcade culture was different.
>>Make no mistake, the SJWs are the result of capitalism allowing these kids to be born in wealth and muh muh privilege and feeling guilty about it. They have no way to truly identify with the proletariat and work to undermine the working class for their own benefit. That's why they're dangerous.
While they come from wealth, remember man of them do pretty much grift. But in a way, it's easier for richer people to grift by doing stuff if they can couchsurf with their friends or hang with patrons or whatever.
that image isnt from gamergazi.
Why are you calling us 'nerds'? this is a *chan site, and nerd is a bit……of a slight epithet. Also most of the people came from gamergate
>>72019 >>But they don't want to be the stuffy ole game devs, they want to be cool, so they go into "Indie Dev" and since they also want to "change the world" they start pushing the neo-Marxist claptrap they learned from bottom-tier professors in the joke majors that exist primarily as a means to shuffle idiots like them through the system for monetary reasons. Because corruption comes naturally to them because of the nature of class in the U.S, and since they were basically taught Stalinism as liberal thought, they clump together and oust the undesirables so they may achieve their vision.
What could you say about comparing this to the leftist politicians in Latin America who were terrorists and sold out to the bourgoeise (Dilma Rousseff/World Cup is a good example, one of her government's minister, another former marxist terrorist said "oh im sure we will all be happy and there wll be no problems")
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 04:45:34 No. 72066
>>72058 > i thought he left because gamergate wasn't being /pol/ style 'fuck shit up' angry mob.
Yes which is why I used the term personal army because he pretty much wanted #gamergate to be /pol/ a.k.a. what he wants a.k.a. a personal army.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 04:52:33 No. 72072 >>72058 >What could you say about comparing this to the leftist politicians in Latin America who were terrorists and sold out to the bourgoeise (Dilma Rousseff/World Cup is a good example, one of her government's minister, another former marxist terrorist said "oh im sure we will all be happy and there wll be no problems")
Only that I don't know Latin American history or politics, just U.S. and even then only the last 15 years or so with any intimacy.
I mean it's not a new pattern, both wealthy Plebeians and Patricians abused the Roman tribune positions thousands of years ago which did a great deal to kill the Republic.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 05:01:57 No. 72078
Look, she was part of the SA forums since 2002. That's why the Goons have been against everyone else and protecting her income for so long.
The whole ideology thing is a result of who won the 80s Sex Wars and these people growing up without any form of class struggle. Remember, neoliberalism took over with Thatcher and Reagan. Dialectics and such were taken out of academia and identity politics took over.
>The conception of the systemic roots of injustice–and the possibility of achieving systemic change–were replaced by a focus on subjective, individual and cultural relations as centers of struggle, including reclaiming or re-appropriating oppressive language as a tool to combat oppression. In this process, postmodernism–and the accompanying post-structural and post-Marxist–theories achieved dominance by the 1980s.
Because of the decimation of the left coming being accelerated in the 80s, these kids fell to identity politics later on. Divide and conquer at its finest.
Also, it should be noted that Zoe has been known to do a LOT of shit. One of the latest stories is how she lied about murdering someone at least 10 years ago.
http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2014/10/04/zoe-quinns-lying-cheating-claim-stabbing-killing-man-alleged-former-photographer/ >They are gamers, but a different set of gamer.
Kind of iffy. From what we've gotten, most of them like Brianna aren't all that interested in most of the games the majority of people play which come from Japan. They ironically support games like Bioware's offerings which most people recognize as games but not necessarily good ones. From what's been going on, it's been more or less the ultra rich shitting on gamers while the gamers fight against them and their condescending bullshit.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 05:01:57 No. 72079
I misread "personal army" in the /b/ sense of "attack people I hate for my sake".
pretty much former marxist terrorists got elected to governments in a lot of latin america in 1990s/2000s. Some were decent/legit (i.e. the guy whos president of urugray now- he literally owns a single car and lives with his wife in the countryside and gives most of his salary to charity) to sellouts like dilma rousseff and her whole world cup and the clusterfuck that was.
You're from the US, perhaps a good analogy to Dilma and her government is people like Bill Ayers and his wife (Bernadette Dohrn). Only much worse, as Ayers and Dohrn just do shitty mainstream bourgoeise stuff and activism, as opposed to 'get elected and betray your ideals in a horrible manner' a la Roussef and her government.
Maybe it's comparable to the Labour party becoming Orwellian and imperialist under Blair.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 05:28:30 No. 72104
>>72058 > While they come from wealth, remember man of them do pretty much grift. But in a way, it's easier for richer people to grift by doing stuff if they can couchsurf with their friends or hang with patrons or whatever.
Funny thing about rich lefties and artsy types; they are utterly shameless about begging for and demanding free shit from anybody and everybody they see. And they only seem interested in returning the favor to people who they think they can get more from.
I've done a bunch of work in indie film and music and I'd be willing to bet you that I'm no more than three degrees of seperation away from a recognizable number of the more notable antis. There's a schism in that world. On one side, you've got people without educational debt, who manage to afford thousands of dollars worth of gear, always have money for drugs and booze, never seem to starve or lack healthcare, always manage to afford tickets to the show, and somehow do so working as baristas and temps. On the other side, you've got people who come from nothing, take on all the financial burden of their education, and can barely keep a roof over their head working twice the hours.
I can't tell you how many shoots I worked on with promises of helping me get paid gigs for the former group. As a matter of fact, it seems that the former group preys almost exclusively on the latter group. All it ever got me, though, were more demands for free work.
This crew is masterful at getting free shit from people. In addition to all the free shit they've already got. Then they turn around to others and tell them how hard they've worked for it.
It's no wonder that the Lwus act like spoiled children. That's what they are.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 05:43:34 No. 72110
It's cause he deserves it, faggot.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 05:44:47 No. 72112
There was the Hindenburg, there was the Titanic, and then there was this post to make both of those tragedies look like a close shave in terms of absolute WRECKAGE.
Better screencap that shit nigga, my phone can't even handle it.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 07:00:02 No. 72174
get out, lf transcrew
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 07:22:12 No. 72187
considering the fact that websites like Reddit and 4chan are intentionally driving out users in order to "clean up the site", then why haven't there been any more actual alternatives like Diaspora and 8chan itself?
I'd consider creating my own textboard but I admittedly have no fucking clue about what goes on in textboard culture in websites like SAoVQ and 4-ch
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 07:48:04 No. 72202
But interestingly the reaction to the events by SocJus has been a flawless example of doublethink
>GG is all bad and everyone in it hates women because of the actions of, like, 2 people >You can't condemn all Islam for the actions of a few, you fuck!
I've even seen someone banned for saying Islam is sexist (the Qur'an/Hadith literally say women shouldn't be trusted because they have deficient brains), on pages that ban anyone who says not all members of gamergate are sexist
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 08:54:09 No. 72257
Yeah it's partially a class war. More specifically shielded middle and upper class folk demanding the masses change their mundane and barbaric hobby to accomodate to them and their sensibilities.
Then there is the whole journalist corruption part. Also thread full of salt. My goodness some of you are butthurt.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 09:01:57 No. 72261
>>72257 >demanding the masses change their mundane and barbaric hobby to accommodate to them and their sensibilities
Fuck if that isn't the truest thing I've heard all week
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 09:09:26 No. 72264
Can you repost this to
please? They will love it.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 09:23:53 No. 72278
Assuming you're serious, I don't agree. (1) The struggle is still undecided; (2) It hasn't been harshly peer-reviewed too; (3) For what specific propaganda purpose?
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 09:34:11 No. 72287
research I guess. Oh, I know the person who runs yotsuba society, assuming its formatted and stuff I can send it to him too.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 09:45:43 No. 72291
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 16:25:33 No. 72424
>>72024 >then stop complaining about things you don't like
"oh, don't like capitalism? go make your own economy, and in the meantime, stop complaining." - your faggot ass
>i honestly do not fucking care
funny, you don't care, but you're fucking posting in this thread.
>no they're babies upset that people don't like their nerd ass male waifu loving bullshit
No, they're upset by blatant blacklisting, internet-wide censorship, and media collusion ACROSS THE BOARD, well beyond game journalism.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 16:26:32 No. 72426
>>72034 >i honestly do not fucking care
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 16:37:21 No. 72430
/leftypol/: The Game when? It could be a bunker simulator or something.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 17:41:33 No. 72445
Much obliged, sir.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 17:50:40 No. 72449
The entire social justice movement is a class war by the elites against the proles. Can you name a single prominent SJW that didn't come from a muh privileged background? They make generalizations about their lives, harmfully meddle in the affairs of those beneath them, and remain shielded from the consequences.
Even better, they've completely co-opted the political Left, ousting the old-school economic leftists (i.e. you all) and pushing you to the fringes while simultaneously dealing permanent harm to the very idea of left-wing politics by virtue of their absolute insanity.
Well-played, elites. Well-played.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 19:17:24 No. 72481
At least I am not a nigger.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 19:39:58 No. 72486
They're not elites.
They're 30 to 40 year old children, advantaged with a) dedication in ideology and b) practical reason for the personal politic that entrusts those of middle-management positions and above to particularities in the mode of production.
This entire narrative is naively 'bourgeois' and arguably as single minded as the "SJW crowd".
The difference is that they're radicalising the youth of the future.
Please shut up.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 20:06:27 No. 72498
A) they are
B) corruption effects more than just the readers of corrupt sites, its not wrong to go after it
C) nobody cares that you don't care… Honestly, I've mostly stopped following GG (even though I still side with them), you don't see people like me complaining that people care about stuff.
OK now you're just trolling.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 20:07:57 No. 72500
>>72034 >I don't care so much I'm going to write an extremely asspained post about it.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 20:57:22 No. 72516
Just throwing in this summation I had while I was read the above. This new-kind of encirclement or gentrification requires some kind of punitive measure. Primitive accumulation required bloody laws (like anti-vagrancy laws) for example to coerce control the worker, so identity politics and the policing of them in a digital space is being deployed to homogenize and control these spaces.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 22:32:24 No. 72564
>>72486 >They're not elites.
They're absolutely culture elites, and many of them are also from very wealthy families. One reason they can become culture elites in the first place is that they have better access to higher ed, internships, and living in important cities.
>The difference is that they're radicalising the youth of the future.
It's a fake radicalism, which is destroying us.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 22:41:00 No. 72567
Yeah, that's why the social justice movement has hundreds of millions of dollars behind it, and the most prominent SJWs are all scions of important families or were otherwise born into wealth.
YOU shut up, you ignorant bourgeois fuck.
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 23:14:40 No. 72577
Sounds like you're describing the peons the bourg prominent SJW speakers the person you're responding to described
Anonymous 01/16/15 (Fri) 23:19:05 No. 72582
>>72567 >>72564 >>72486
You're all right
Prominent SJWs are bourg as fuck. That's why they're prominent, that's why they're loud.
Their ideals wouldn't be discussed by us right now if it weren't for them becoming more widespread: there are 30/40 year old children out there that have been convinced by the prominent bourg SJWs that the cause works for them.
The elite are the elite because there's few of them.
The elite manipulate the masses, or attempt to.
There's poor as fuck people out there that believe the SJW bullshit despite it never helping them in practice.
Isn't that how shit always works?
Anonymous 01/17/15 (Sat) 01:35:33 No. 72638
Anonymous 01/17/15 (Sat) 01:54:57 No. 72647
Something along the lines of Dwarf Fortress maybe, with a dash of Dungeon Keeper and Evil Genius.
You have your Socialist workers build a bunker to defend the means of production from Bourgeois forces that try to take it from you.
Anonymous 01/17/15 (Sat) 05:50:25 No. 72734 >>71957
internet culture is steered by analysts and psychologists for the benefit of state powers. all public spaces must be destroyed.