Our Interview with Allistair Pinsof Part 3 – #GamerGate and Destructoid

Our Interview with Allistair Pinsof Part 3 – #GamerGate and Destructoid

A writer and editor turned game developer who has previously worked for websites such as Destructoid and the Escapist, TechRaptor was lucky enough to talk to Allistair Pinsof  for a series of interviews about the current state of the gaming media.  In the final part of this series Allistair talks about the events leading up to him being fired from Destructoid and his thoughts on GamerGate. You can read the rest of our interview here and here.

Disclaimer: Allistair’s interview had been re-arranged into sections, with Allistair’s permission, to make for more manageable reading.  No edits have been made to the interview save for spelling and grammar.

All views are the interviewee’s own and not necessarily shared by TechRaptor.

TR: What is your general opinion of GamerGate and the actions it’s taken?

When even I am considered part of GamerGate by some — despite not joining it, frequently talking against it, and barely interacting with its more moderate voices — how can I decide who is GamerGate? How can I have an opinion on its actions when these actions are often attributed to other parties and its own achievements are debated from within and outside its main hubs?

My general view is this. People don’t like being labeled under a group. People also don’t like being silenced. People don’t like being bullied. Every time a celebrity, journalist, or social critic says a stranger they don’t know is a misogynist, terrorist, or bigot, it will only make people who associate with this group angrier.

GamerGate lacks values, standards, and direction — thus I never joined — but it is not a hate group. A hate group is a group that discriminates against another group; women, according to the media, in this instance. Yet, I’ve seen more outspoken women in the GamerGate tag than woman speaking against it. Yet, I haven’t seen general misogyny or attacks against women from it, outside chan shitposts (designed to garner negative attention from critics monitoring) that few members of the group realize exist, not to mention promote.

Misogyny and hate exists in GamerGate but by that standard, the internet is a hate group. What popular news site, forum, online game, or chat room have you been in where there isn’t a noticeable air of misogyny and shit-talking? This doesn’t make these attitudes and actions okay, but to present the game community as being disproportionately misogynist in comparison to other online communities is dishonest and manipulative.

The biggest crime the media committed against the public and industry in regards to GamerGate is conflating internet trolling, sexism, female representation in games, female representation in industry, ethics, and online abuse into one issue. While progress was made on each of these subjects in recent years, they are now all combined into one toxic ball that no one can clearly address in any positive or progressive way. GamerGate has become an empty hurrah word. “I STAND AGAINST GAMERGATE!” What does that mean? Well, it means whatever your allies and opponents want it to mean, because it no longer means anything in and of itself. Issues are no longer discussed, people are just beating the drum in a pointless online war. People who want to stay on the sidelines and say “Well, that’s messed up” somehow get dragged into, or at least that’s how it happened to me.

There are women in GG that want their voices heard but they are silenced due to this smear tactic of conflating feminism and censorship debate with abuse. I can imagine, done intentionally or not, that media justifies this as necessary to slaying the beast and ending abuse campaigns against Anita, Quinn and Wu. The ramifications though will set the industry back in ways people don’t realize. You have celebrities RT’ing that women in games aren’t allowed creative roles. You have national newspapers saying that women — not three specific women for various specific reasons — are hated and abused by gamers. These statements are not true and presenting these statements, free of factual reporting and sourcing all parties, to the non-gaming public will damage funding, creative control, and community interaction in years to come.

As someone who wants everyone in games to be judged individually and have full creative control, without fear of sensationalist dogpiling or peer pressure, this has been a distressing time. I feel for the women under attack and those silenced, whether by online mob abuse or media’s intellectual bullying. What side the victim or abuser falls under has no bearing on the situation. It was disgusting to see individuals in media and development block and criticize me when I voiced me being upset over GamerGate members (including female, LGBQT, and minorities) being threatened, abused, and silenced. These people who turn their back on their fellow enthusiasts because peer pressure and media framing are no allies of mine or the brave, creative individuals who will rebuild this industry in years to come, with or without the mainstream media.

TR: For those who are unaware, you lost your job at Destructoid following you outing a developer’s IndieGoGo campaign as fraudulent on Twitter and unfortunately outing her as a trans woman in the process. If you could go back, how would you handle the situation differently? Do you still feel it was your duty as a journalist to make people aware of her misdirection?

The decision to out her was one of the hardest decisions I made in my life, and having to reflect on my mistake and be honest with myself and others about it was a process that changed me.

It’s the worst feeling to know who you are, who you identify with and have them refuse to know you and think of you as an enemy. A lot of this was due to how my employer manipulated the story and certain trolls lied about me, once I deleted my tweets, to make the situation even worse.

Allistair Pinsof

Let me start by sharing the original tweets. I’m ashamed of them but I’d rather people see my mistakes and ugliness than buy into someone else’s far more sinister story about me. Or for people who compare me to that Grantland writer who outed someone for a story — that was never what this situation was like at all. There was no story; only compassion to help the developer and later compassion to help charity staff in harm’s way due to the situation.

Coming out like that on Twitter was awful of me, especially saying the surgery she wanted was “non-vital”, lecturing others on suicide, mis-gendering, and suggesting she threatened me.

That last point is especially important for me to address. I took time off the internet to find some peace again  after I was fired. When I came back, I saw the developer making angry posts about me — We ceased to be friends even though we left on good terms — due to her seeing I said she threatened me. This was bad wording on my part. She never threatened me with harm or self-harm, she only said in passing she’d commit suicide if people knew her identity.

Sadly, this is what happened. 4chan, Reddit, TheIndieStone forums and NeoGaf found the truth about her and some of the bigots of these boards harassed her. In combination with her fundraiser being shut down, she decided to stream her suicide on Twitch and YouTube. This resulted in people sending death threats to the staff of these sites and IndieGoGo, allegedly.

I say allegedly because this is how all this started. My employer told me this was going on in a hysterical email that made me hysterical, guilted me for covering up for her (I was on a mission for her to come out on her own terms on a LGBQT-friendly site), and pressured me to come out with the truth to our readers. I should have ignored but I was in an emotionally vulnerable state and lacked good conscious. I thought I was preventing the possible harm of the staff of Twitch, YouTube, and IndieGoGo. I should have had stronger character, waited to verify the significance of the threats, and if necessary acted in a way that least harmed her in the process.

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My employer knew how dangerous it’d be if the truth got out so he told me to be silent during damage control, threatened me after I was fired, and then told other journalists to silence me so the truth didn’t get out. By that time, all sorts of rumors about me and wrongful accounts of the situation were spread on everything from LGBQT tumblrs to neo-nazi forums.

It was like if a mom slipped and dropped her baby on the ground and all these people come up like “Oh man! You’re a babykiller too? Sweet! Want to write for our babykiller blog?” And you’re just like, what the fuck — this is awful I didn’t want any of this, and all those people you actually care for and made a career and life caring for are hurt and hate you now. You’re just left by yourself and with some hateful bigots.

I’ve tried to correct people who think I’m a bigot, tried reconnecting with the developer through apologies (and a misguided attempt to rally GG to donate to her Patreon along with me), and tried to be supportive of other LGBQT gamers. But, it’s too late. The narrative has been set. I still get death threats, people block me without knowing who I really am or what’s my actual story, and I just have to live with it. I doubt people have forgiveness for SWAT teams that shoot an unarmed citizen when a troll SWATs someone saying there’s a hostage situation. The officer made the shot. No context outside that matters. There is no undoing the harm. They just have to live with that. I can’t imagine how hard that’d be, as I can’t expect people who don’t know my real story to understand how hard this has been for me. And, let me acknowledge that I know this has been even harder for the developer who continues to receive harassment.

[Ed Note: Allistair wanted me to mention that at the time of his tweets, he was still unsure if the developer was raising money for a sexual reassignment surgery or if these were lies to get away after being caught due to sources at the school knowing her by a different name and her social media accounts being created only weeks before]

TR: Do you have anything to say to members of GamerGate who supported you during and since this incident?

Outing someone in a way that puts their personal safety and privacy on the line is never okay. I wish certain GG members would realize approaching the developer is mean, fruitless, and paints the entire group under the hateful, transphobic umbrella the media claims. So, please leave her alone and don’t use any bullshit about a scam to justify attacking her. If GG is really about ethics, they should ask why my employer pushed me toward outing a trans woman via lies and manipulation and colluded with industry via a private email list to silence the truth from reaching the public — certainly, if the games media is really LGBQT-friendly they wouldn’t have covered up the truth of an outlet’s transphobic actions. If you look at the history of my actions previous to that event and those of my employer, who has a history for this sort of thing (transphobia, silencing and manipulating staff) the story should become clearer. Kuchera was a close ally of Destructoid’s EiC and owner so I knew how screwed I was with them controlling the narrative through the whole GameJourno Pros thing and silencing the true story. I had allies who knew the real situation but they knew their careers would be on the line if they spoke out and GJP weren’t happy with it. I’m not mad at them for remaining silent. They have their families and careers.

My values aren’t so complicated. I believe in treating people how you like to be treated. And, I believe in looking at people as individuals and not applying unwanted labels to them. I feel bad when I see someone who I believe to be good at heart but is denied these things. This is why I originally wanted to work with her to find a legal way for her to fund her surgery and it’s why I’m upset over so much of the hate I see out there in the gaming community; and, yes, perhaps I’m responsible for some of it due to my previous fuck-up.

TechRaptor would like to thank Allistair for talking to us. You can find what else Allistair had to say about GamerGate, industry relationships and what happened at Destructoid in the rest of our series You can find him on Twitter.

Has Allistair’s interview enlightened you? What are your thoughts?

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British girl, currently in Japan. Surviving on a diet of retro games. Worshiping the god that is the Sega Megadrive. I like Nintendo. I'm best known as that neutral lady that was on HuffPostLive talking about #GamerGate. My partner and I do YouTube Let's Plays and Reviews too find us at www.youtube.com/citizennapoleon
  • m0r1arty

    Foist!

  • http://digitalconfederacy.com/ Everyday Legend

    I just want to say thanks to Allistair. I know he’s had a rough time as a result of this, and I’m glad that the #GamerGate whatever-this-is has been able to give him an outlet to speak on a great many things he was around to witness firsthand. I also hope that this game him some form of catharsis, because God knows he deserved some.

    This is the sort of transparency we need on the subject. Journalists do not need to be afraid to speak up like this. Your job is to report. If someone fires you for reporting something in truth, no matter how inconvenient it may be, then they’re doing something wrong in terms of what a press outlet is supposed to do with its very existence.

    I can only hope we see more of this in the coming weeks. Great job, Georgina.

  • Greg Nieto

    Hmm. I kind of agree with the idea of dissociating concepts from the tag. The presumed toxicity makes proceeding on any other front harder. I know people are worried about dividing the group, but we all care about the individual bits and pieces that we care about, and the email campaigns haven’t worked lately.

    Maybe the issues of social issues (or, IMO, lack thereof) in gaming, journalistic corruption, and harassment need to be dissociated in order for progress to be made.

    • yves

      If a joke hashtag like #Pizzagate could get smeared by anti-gamergate,dropping the tag would do little to change hardcore Ghazi’s mind.Moderates on the other hand when they investigate see right through the nonsense .

      • Greg Nieto

        Not saying to drop the tag for information-sharing between us, but when discussing the individual issues, the tag may be counterproductive.

        • yves

          Merely existing is counterproductive for some people in the “conversation”.We are blocked by people on twitter by many people we have never even spoken to

      • André Murgo

        More like dropping a tag, dividing its subjects could prove to be useful.

    • Dulius

      If you’ve seen Ghazi’s response to PizzaGate, this is impossible, they’ll just pull the same Genetic Fallacy crap they’ve done before

    • Doc Hammer

      Dulius is right. Our opponents already committed the genetic fallacy by indicting GamerGate for purported crimes of #TheQuinnspiracy. The way forward is not retreating to another name that they will simply slander.

    • JC Ashcott

      Actually, the email campaigns worked, and further email will have a diminishing effect.

      The result of the various emailing have cost various writers their jobs due to reduced revenue (thus the various downsizing we see right now). This is directly tied to quarterly performance (I don’t know about every rag, but at least it’s true in a similar but different field I’m more familiar with).

      In short, the damage the journos did to their own trade as a result of their provocations and dishonesty has been done. We are approaching the rebuild phase in term of media (things on the AAA dev side is status quo while I’ve no information at all about the indie scene). So for all the writers looking for a job right now, they can thank leigh and her megaphone army for wrecking the source of revenue.

      As for progress, the best progress is actually awareness at this rate. The people supporting certain values will support the changes even if they don’t support us directly.

    • Johnathon Tieman

      I sort of agree, sort of disagree. I think the tag needs to act as an independent watch-dog group. Once specific issues are identified (unethical games journalism), a separate group willing to work on just that one issue could be formalized and spun off (the harassment patrol did just this). While I think that group by and large should *not* use the tag, I think it should be open and up-front that they will address any instance identified regardless of who does, including GamerGate. In turn, GamerGate should immediately begin watching that new group for the problems that led to this road.

  • Kamelguru

    Finally a piece regarding GamerGate that DOESN’T remind me more of wartime propaganda than it does of journalism.

  • http://Flixist.com Allistair Pinsof

    I screencapped a small sampling of the Gaf/Reddit comments that drove the dev to suicide to back my statement above. Some of these come from threads that predate my tweets by a month. Not saying this excuses my actions in anyway, just proving what caused the suicide and that these places are hypocritical for calling Gamergate a transphobic hate mob: http://t.co/tROk7cq9BL

  • Doc Hammer

    I think I speak for many of us when I say thank you Alistair for speaking and thank you Georgina for asking the questions. I also want to say in regards to your final question and response: when Alistair’s situation was first being discussed on 4chan long, long at ago, we were discussing why the editor put pressure on him and seemingly turned on him. This has always been a central question in our discussions of questionable ethical behavior in games journalism. Why did that happen? Where was the editor taking responsibility? Why not support the writer? Questions like that cropping up all over the place set the early tone for GamerGate.

    We care about the industry. Alistair cares about the industry far more than he cares about his own image. Georgie and TechRaptor care about the industry. Let’s no longer let what other people insist we are dissuade us; we know damn well who we are and what we want.

  • Jake Martinez

    The events around, and particularly the aftermath of Allistair’s “social justice call out” are pretty intriguing to me.

    I’m no fan of “call out culture” because it’s obviously a form of toxic emotional abuse (and in many cases, like Allistair’s threatens an individuals economic security) but even more striking to me is how people subjected to these events exhibit many of the same traits and behaviors of survivors of physical or sexual abuse.

    People who have been the subject of “call outs” will not often speak about what happened to them in the aftermath. They just hope that by keeping their head down that the witnesses and aggressors will move on to someone else. The entire event is usually incredibly painful and emotional and stressful but if they dare to say anything it’s likely to just trigger another round of abuse and initiate further “call outs” against them by the angry Social Justice mob in a cycle of never ending bullying where the so called “oppressed” are actually the “oppressors”.

    Frankly, it’s the most reprehensible form of bullying practiced by what I can only refer to as “Internet Feminists” and “Social Justice Bullies”. People who feel generally weak and disempowered in normal society simply get behind the keyboard and decide to turn into the worse caricatures of the people they believe are oppressing them. The reasons behind this are the same reasons why every lonely and lost person decides to reach to anger – because it’s an empowering emotion that fills people with strength instead of making them face their vulnerability. It’s wrong and I believe that most of them know it’s wrong, but they are conveniently able to balm their conscious by pretending that their bullying is in service to the oppressed.

    Or as a rather infamous d-list internet celebrity said not too long ago, “There are no bad tactics, just bad targets.”

    A statement, which is both ludicrous in substance as well as vile in intent.

    Anyway, when I look at these statements and others made by Allistair, I can’t help but applaud his compassion and attempts at reconciliation, but on some level I think they are misguided. I don’t believe that many of the individuals that he would absolve deserve anything but condemnation for their actions. This is not to excuse what he believes were his own faults, but to say that because he may have made some mistakes justifies such irresponsible rage on behalf of other people is quite frankly the kind of wrong headed logic I would expect to come out of the mouth of an abuse survivor.

    I don’t recommend that people generally be combative, but allowing bullies to claim moral authority for bullying is wrong. People who participate in this “call out” culture are the worst kind of harassers because they feel entirely justified indulging in their own human failings and weaknesses. Point it out to them.

  • Dulius

    A big thank you to both TechRaptor and Allistar Pinsof. You’ve given us a lot to think about (positive, negative and where to attack next.) Hopefully more devs and other industry members will speak out now, and good luck in the future

    • André Murgo

      Attack is a strong word.

      “and what to address next” would sufice :)

  • Ncrdrg

    Reminds me of this great article: http://adland.tv/adnews/gamergate-moral-panic-resembles-90s-which-directly-affects-womens-career-choices/1629488701

    The moral panic created by GamerGate’s critics is setting this industry back. And the saddest part is that they’re scaring women away from the field. Too political, too dangerous, don’t wanna get harassed, I’ll pick a safer job like nursing. They’re contributing to gender roles without having the intelligence to even see the damage they’re doing. Oh, yes, they felt so proud when they broke into mainstream media.

    But now that it’s revived the ‘violence in games is a problem’ (especially against women) bullshit, we’re going through Jack Thompson 2.0.

    Also, to this day, still not seeing the issue with outing Segal as a trans as it was intrinsically linked to the scam she was pulling. If she didn’t want this to happen, she shouldn’t have committed that crime in the first place. Though to hear you say you weren’t sure it was due to a reassignment surgery at the time is a bit troubling. Either way, you made a judgment call in a very tough situation, based on information that turned out to be false, given to you by your own colleagues. It’s hard to fault you on this.