Xbox One vs. PS4: How the final hardware specs compare

PS4 system board, and other hardware bits

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PS4 vs. Xbox One: RAM subsystem and bandwidth

Once we leave the CPU/GPU, the hardware specs of the Xbox One and PS4 start to diverge, with the RAM being the most notable difference. While both consoles are outfitted with 8GB of RAM, the PS4 opts for 5500MHz GDDR5 RAM (similar to what you’d find on a modern graphics card), and the Xbox One uses 2133MHz DDR3 RAM (the same as the main RAM in your PC). This leads to an absolutely massive bandwidth advantage in favor of the PS4 — the PS4’s CPU and GPU will have 176GB/sec of bandwidth to system RAM, while the Xbox One will have just 68.3GB/sec.

Xbox One SoC block diagram

Xbox One SoC block diagram. The 32MB of ESRAM (four blocks of 8MB) is at the bottom.

In Microsoft’s favor, the Xbox One has 32MB of super-fast embedded SRAM (about 102GB/sec in each direction, for a total of 204GB/sec of bandwidth). If this ESRAM is used properly, as a cache, then it’s possible that the huge difference in main system RAM bandwidth can be ameliorated. This will most likely come down to individual developers (do they have the time and inclination to use the ESRAM?), and whether Microsoft makes it easy to use the ESRAM efficiently. It’s worth noting that the Xbox 360 used embedded DRAM, so it’s highly likely that Microsoft and developers will know how to make the most of it.

PS4 vs. Xbox One: What difference will the hardware specs make in games?

It’s nice to be able to compare hardware specs in a straightforward fashion — especially if you’re a PlayStation fan, as it clearly beats the Xbox One on paper. When it comes down to it, though, the specs mean nothing on their own: It’s entirely down to how Microsoft, Sony, and game developers actually use the hardware. To begin with, we would expect games on the PS4, with its beefier GPU and simpler memory subsystem, to be smoother and prettier. We have already seen this borne out by games such as Battlefield 4, where the PS4 outputs at 1600×900, but the Xbox One outputs at just 1280×720 — a difference that is almost perfectly explained by the PS4’s 50% more powerful GPU.

Despite the resolution difference and upscaling, though, there is visually very little difference between the Xbox One and PS4. By virtue of being based on the same GPU architecture, games on both consoles will look very, very similar — the same lighting, the same textures (presuming the Xbox One’s lower bandwidth isn’t a bottleneck), the same smoke, and so on. If you are playing games from a reasonable distance (10 feet, 3 meters), you are unlikely to see much, if any difference between the consoles.

With that said, irrespective of whether developers can harness the Xbox One’s ESRAM, I don’t think Microsoft’s console will ever compete with the PS4’s larger GPU. I think the PS4 will always have the edge when it comes to raw graphics power, and thus higher output resolution and smoother frame rates. In reality, due to commercial restraints, I expect most cross-platform games will look virtually identical across the two consoles for their entire lifecycle. PS4 exclusives that take full advantage of the console’s superior hardware, though, such as masterpieces produced by Naughty Dog, will probably look significantly better than anything on the Xbox One.

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  • crazypete1

    I guess my big question is why do I need one of these? When the PS3 came out the graphics were pretty amazing compared to a mid-range PC. In addition there were many games made for the PS3 (and xbox 360) that were unavailable for the PC since no one wanted to take the trouble and port them over.
    But if these new consoles are using x86 architecture then all the games made for them should run on PCs without the need to recompile.
    I guess I’m having a hard time figuring out how these are different from a PC, except for branding. Maybe I’m not understanding something…

    • Phobos

      I wouldn’t put too much though into it, just pray that the games won’t cost $70 or more.

      • chojin999

        Maybe they will price directly at $100, obviously with online DRM checks.

        • Phobos

          at 100$?? I hope they do, two things can happen. One no one will buy them and they will have to make dramatic changes so people will buy them at a reasonable price. Second and the most scary one is that people will buy them at that price range!

          • http://twitter.com/Edward351 Edward351

            I don’t know about that. I bought Deadspace 3, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, and Bioshock Infinite for the 360 and haven’t paid over $40 for any of them. You just have to wait a couple of months for them to go on sale and drop price.

          • http://twitter.com/SeatownCrown Anthony Woods

            Good luck with that since they are trying to shut down the entire used game industry.

          • chojin999

            Exactly. But sheep here and on other forums don’t pay attention and just trust whatever marketing lies the managers can come up with.

          • http://twitter.com/arodriguez0300 hitman0300

            sony has already stated that it will be up to the developers and publisher’s to make that decision so there will be used games for the ps4 and it is also up to the gamimg company if they want a drm check with their games and if they is they might charge a 5$ dollar fee which will be included when you buy the game and you will be given a code which you enter on the game menu

          • df7823f7u

            He bought them on sale, not used…

          • Tyson H

            If they shut it down they can just burn the systems because they won’t be selling as many as they thought. Greed is killing.

          • http://www.facebook.com/last.titan.73 Last Titan

            I like Steam.

          • Killer_Kopy

            Totally agree, if one of the systems implemented Steam and you could import your existing library that would be awesome. Truthfully I think Steam is the way of the future. I’ll own my games forever, they will never get lost or damaged, just log in and re-download if anything heaven forbid should happen to my system. How easy and hassle free Steam is!

          • Scot_L

            I agree too. At first I didn’t like having to register a game I bought in the store with a steam account. Then I started noticing the amazing sales steam has on games and now I’m checking it all the time. Take the game Dishonored for example. I read all the reviews, watched the videos, decided to get it. I waited a month or so and eventually Steam had it on sale for 50% off. Can’t beat that.

          • Aser1234

            I got it for 75% off during the Summer sale. SO amazing.

          • Squiffy

            well the thing is is that xbox tried to be like steam with the whole online debacle, and then everyone freaked out about no more used games, and then the decided they liked ps4

          • sampson3121

            i don’t know if you read the article above, but people may just have read about the system specs and decided they would buy a machine that is better than the other one , plus cheaper too! PS4 IS BETTER AND WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER! that’s why they bought it.

          • Chandler Broderick

            Fuck off fanboy, ps4 is just the shiniest of 2 turds

          • sampson3121

            what if a virus infected stream, and erased your account? i myself like a hard copy of all my games… if i get bored of a game i can sell it and put the money towards another one.

          • Ryan Murphy

            Steam has ridiculous levels of security on multiple levels. I don’t think you understand how hard it is to even get your account phished, let alone Valve get hacked. Even if Valve lost their version, which will never happen, if you have any sort of local data, you are fine.

          • Henk

            lol my steam account was hacked in 5 days now i have a rootkit on my pc

          • sampson3121

            what if a virus infected stream, and erased your account? i myself like a hard copy of all my games… if i get bored of a game i can sell it and put the money towards another one.

          • Jason Woodson

            I like steam as well as the game may released at the same as console but drops in price very quickly like 6 months to a year. Console game may drop 10 bucks if your lucky PC game 50 percent or less, not to mention far better graphics on PC.

          • TheSplitScreenGamers

            Or just buy a gaming PC and have the glorious Steam sales

          • Jon Seres

            Let me just wait till the clothes I want go out of style so I can purchase them… You shouldn’t have to wait to purchase a game at a reasonable price.

          • PhilVoid

            So, you only play games that are ‘in-style’?

          • Jason Woodson

            compare to console game cost the price drops far faster and get a better version of the same game. waiting 6-9 months isn’t going to hurt anything. That’s one of the biggest problems today as everyone thinks they have to have it now.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham

            The nasty part is that they’re likely to release them within the $60-$70 price range and then include about $30-$40 worth of DLC distributed in small $2 and up pieces.

          • Phobos

            It’s just what they are trying to do with the pc games, steam anyone??

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham

            My concern is development costs for AAA games. They could even sell 2, 3, even 5 million copies and even then they’re considered failures.

          • mazty

            Dev tools are getting much better. More detail =/= more time needed, therefore the cost of games doesnt have to increase.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham

            Better tools are being counterbalanced by the ever increasing work load.

          • mazty

            And an increasing workload should be offset with experience and more efficient workflows…
            Part of the issue is they hire the runts of the managing computing world, mainly due to not paying enough, so efficiency is shockingly low.

          • Morris Buel

            That is true, however they interviewed developers working on next gen games in Game Informer and found that the team sizes have not increased, and they’ve been able to bring the game to market a year earlier.

            That’s a huge cost savings, and may keep the games at $60.

            (Fingers crossed on that one!)

          • shawn m

            You are forgetting the corporate side of things. Sure the individual development houses can get more efficient, but the corporate side demands greater revenues continously. Expect a price climb in the form of up front cost and increased DLC and potential subscription fees with less being provided in the core game.

            The dev house will use the excuse of visual fidelity eating up development budget has they have been for the past generation and no one will think twice about it.

          • Morris Buel

            well looks like prices aren’t going up. Retail games are still $60 and there are a boatload of free to play games coming, including Killer Instinct.

          • Jashan Shewakramani

            I live in India. CoD ghosts is about $75 on pre order for the ps3. Games are becoming more expensive. It will definitely be more for the PS4 and the Xbox One. When developers end up bringing some old games to new consoles and make new ones, you really can’t expect them to be cheap. I expect prices of about $100 US for any game. That’s why I’m giving up on consoles and shifting to a PC. They have always been significantly cheaper on PC in the past and they will continue to be so 5 years from now. In most cases, its usually been less than half the price.You won’t get steam sales either. Upgrade your PC’s GPU to a gtx 770 or something if you don’t have a high end GPU already. It’ll last you at least 5 years without any problems and you’ll end up getting better frame rates and graphics.

          • Gamer96

            Man you’re just a bag of overly optimistic answers towards consoles aren’t you? Just because prices don’t have to increase doesn’t mean they won’t their is such a thing as inflation and corporate greed they will charge you what ever everyone is willing to pay

          • http://twitter.com/arodriguez0300 hitman0300

            that is how it is now

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          • josip Šmuga

            One game in Croatia cost about 100$ so i think that wont be problem to americans because you are in much greater economical situation

          • CodeRed

            but if you think about it games for consoles cost $60 and now almost all games have DLC so now they give you these “great” deals where you can buy the season pass for only $50. So to get the whole game that you wanted in the first place you’re dishing out $110. So if games cost $100 that’s a bargain!

        • Paul Bleemstra

          Consoles are already inferior to a mid-range PC, why pay $60 for a game that they either give away for free with a video card (never settle bundle) or will be on sale on steam? These next generation consoles will already be obsolete in 2 years, save your money and upgrade or buy a new PC, will last you much longer in the long run.

          • Dustin Wagner

            In the effort to save costs and time likely PC and console games will be made almost identical and then simply ported to the three systems.

          • TheSplitScreenGamers

            Completely agree. All I have to do to get the “Next-Gen” graphics is buy a new GPU every 1-2 years and maybe replace a CPU.

          • spacer1966

            I know I’m late to this discussion, but to me it’s ease of use. I work all day with computers. I really don’t want to come home to my kids asking “what driver am I missing?”, “how come those guys have a better patch?”, “how’d they hack that game?”, “I have a virus”, etc. With the consoles, they just work and I know they’ll work (and be supported) well until my boys go to college. I’m willing to pay the extra cost for convenience.

          • shawn m

            Letting your kids figure this stuff out now will help them out down the road, especially if you are thinking about college for their futures.

          • mars mayflower

            I’m not going to ask my kid to waste their time fixing some software developer’s mistake…. they just want to turn it on and it work. hell, i’m sick of buggy computers and that’s all I do all day

          • traviserck

            THis is really a moot point on a modern PC. Most all of PC games now auto update with game patches just like consoles do. In addition, that goes for the video card drivers. So what was a difference is moot now. The PC doesn’t require the same level of TLC with Windows 7 and beyond. It’s automatically updated. And virus are still a threat to a console and hacking more than a pc. Example, the largest hack in history was the PSN network. So I don’t find any of your points relevant in todays modern world.

          • Alex

            K download geforce experience. Downloads all of your drivers for you, automatically optimizes game settings on your pc for highest framerates. Put a porn block so your perverted children are not fapping on your gaming station, and most of all, man the fuck up and stop being so lazy. Eaze of use? How much easier can double clicking an icon be? What about ease of invasion of privacy with xbox one…. that doesn’t turn you off? How about 100$ per AAA game in the near future, whilst steam has $5 games of the same quality. I don’t know, I can see your argument, but to me it sounds like you are ill – informed about how easy a PC is to use in this era. Not only that, But everything you mentioned is false or can be used in other context. For instance, 100% of cod 4 games on xbox 360 have hacked lobbies. Secondly, how the FUCK can you have a “Better patch.” That is literally the dumbest thing you could have ever said. Everybody gets the same patch, its a fucking update from the game DEV, not something you choose at a store. You are just slightly behind the times, and you have literally no idea what you are talking about. After wording all of this however, I agree with you. Buy a console, please. Stay away from my domain.

          • mitest1234

            Alex, if you have to use profanity, you are taking my comments way to seriously. The other commentators managed to make similar arguments without having to resort to the lowest common denominator of language. Although you make several good points, it’s all lost on me because of your rudeness. Honestly, if you play like you write, I wouldn’t want to be part of your domain anyway.

            And, no, I am not lazy. As a software engineer for the past 30 years, the last thing I want to do when I get home is deal with computers. I find consoles simpler and they meet my sons’ needs. Others feel differently, which is fine. Why my personal opinion matters that much to you that it warranted such language, I’m not sure.

          • mitest1234

            P.S. “That is literally the dumbest thing you could have ever said.” This irritates me enough that I feel compelled to respond. Do you play Minecraft? My boys do. The way to do mods in that game, I contend there is such a thing as a “better patch.” The more recent versions of that game have a greatly streamlined way of adding mods, but I don’t know how many nights I spent trying to make sure that some mod matched up with the same version that they were running which then had to match another mod but didn’t quite work with the version of this and that. You get the picture. Yes, that does make the PC version of Minecraft better, in my opinion, but it’s a heck of lot easier for my kids to play the Xbox version with their friends than the PC version.

          • GatzLoc

            Just use the steam works, I agree with you to an extent though. Being the local social network’s administration, if I didn’t insist that in order to get help everyone learn a bit themselves I’d go crazy.
            If I was much older, as yourself I might prefer consoles, if they offered good deals on the hardware.
            Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.

          • Shengyun Zhou

            I think it’s a profanity to let your kids play Minecraft on Xbox. You should stop spoon feeding your kids at GAMES and give them chance to practice their brains. It should be your kids who are spending nights working, debugging on what they love, instead of you, taking away their pleasure of accomplishment.
            Either they love those games, along with the problems come long, or they shall become bunch of air heads that only play and whine.

          • extermin8or2

            clearly the guys an idiot, everyone that’s played games on pc lately knows you always get that one game that inexplicably doesn’t work right and you have through file after file and all the settings etc and work out what the issue is and fix it…. Pc’s are not easier to use than consoles.

          • Obi

            Well, who’s the idiot? Both Xbox and PS have had issues with games not
            working also. You are unable to do crap with your POS Console… meaning
            game over! Due some Research before you look any dumber.As you said PC
            may not be easier, to the un-educated, but if you educate yourself there
            is plenty you can do to make things work. Even easy things… meaning
            game on!

          • extermin8or2

            Well yes conole games sometimes release with bugs but I can count on one hand the number of times I could not play a game AT all whilst waiting fir a patch. On pc it is far more common for say the game to dislike your gpu model for no apparent reason and more often than not the fixes are not easy. I’m quite a technical person and am capable of performing thebfixes but often its just tedious and i cba. I just want to sit down and jump right into a game, if I wanted to be doing something technical or complex like that I’d be going through my physics lecture notes or doing coursework… it really isnt worth it most of the time for what a little bit of extra graphical fidelity. Idc if I can see more sparks etc usually. I meam when it comes to the two consoles two similarly priced machines that function innsimilar ways then yeah I want the one with the best games and best graphics/nost power/more longevity. Outside of that gameplay rarely changes between a consoke version of a game and a pc version so idc.And I ccompletely understand other people not wantingbto have tobperform some of the fixes necesssry on pc.

          • Ryan Murphy

            Redownloading usually does that job. :) Although I do have that one game ATM but it’s on Origin, not Steam.

          • Sodaguy

            I have to agree with you mitest1234 that the language was unwarranted, but his points were accurate. You were talking about a Minecraft “mod” which is not a patch. I understand that you are talking about certain patches working with certain mods, but that does not change the fact that there is no “better patch” other then the latest ones that get released (hoping they themselves are not bugged) regardless of what mod you want. Having other mods has is a choice that has nothing to do with the patches.

            I think the fact that you have some knowledge on computers has put you in a position to be able to see the finer workings of any problems it might have. But that also shows how little you know about consoles. When a average computer user is playing a PC game they will find it just as easy to use as a console because they do not need to think about how it works, it just does.

            Overall I found this entire thread to be a rather amusing Steam commercial, which I am also guilty of being a fan of the Steam sales.

          • GatzLoc

            It’s because consoles are newbie.

            Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.

          • PhilVoid

            Wow, you’re so l337…
            Sent from my StarTac flip-phone on the Cingular Network

          • Anthony Caldwell

            ROFL! Startac flip pone…I see what you did there! Cingular!!!!! OMG! ROFL! Nice sir Very Nice!

          • IKROWNI

            so your saying with console games you dont have to wait for updates. so i guess gta 5 just hit the selves in a completely working state… and i ran pretigehackers.com so i know the hole hacking consoles is impossible thing is BS, id be surprised if you havent been in a hacked lobby yet. if you havent buy me a keyvault and ill inject it into my jtag and show you first hand with your own private lobby.

            SteamOS looks to make all driver and patches go through in the background, and im sure there will be some security with it as well. but nothing is unhackable man.

            how much more convenient does it get to come home from a long day of work turn on your steam machine/bootup steamOS sit back and choose a game?

            then in 2 years when you see the game engines getting ahead of your hardware you take the $1000 you saved in steam sales over $100 per game console titles you can grab a new cpu/gpu more ram and be fit once again for years.

            With console your gonna pay out the ass and be stuck paying out the ass for 10 years while game engines evolve and fly right by you.

          • PhilVoid

            “so i know the hole hacking consoles is impossible thing is BS, id be surprised if you havent been in a hacked lobby yet”
            How does that constitute a hacked console?

          • IKROWNI

            Well in order to run hacked lobbies in games like cod you need to have an Xbox capable of running unsigned code. In order to do this the console needs to be modified/hacked. Something I always found funny on mine was that when I sit on the retail nand and switch over to the rgh hand on mine the temp will be like 182° F. After playing a graphics intense game from the rgh nand and then dash boarding the temp is like 148° F. Sitting Idle at the dashboard on rgh nand the temp tops out at 113° F. So basically the hacked hand keeps my trinity Xbox 360 running nice and cool, while just the dash of the retail is burning it up. Screen caps and video were already capable on the rgh Xbox. Installing bigger hard drives outside of proprietary Xbox HDD is capable with rgh. Games load faster on rgh.

            To be quite honest Xbox has always had a tendency to take the work that hackers did to the console and implement it into the new iteration of Xbox. Go back and look at the original Xbox hacked vs the unhacked. Then comes the 360 to implement every hacked feature from the original Xbox.

            Then even the game devs started doing it. Red boxes that targeted the enemy was an infection that you would get from being in a hacked lobby. All of a sudden here try out this target finder. Another infection was seeing through walls, here try this new scanner that allows you to do it. Controllers aren’t accurate? Here autoaim have fun.

            Then the plethora of games incoming with micro transactions. So let’s pay $70 for a game where its either pay more for in game currency or watch all your friends and rivals have tons of fun buying all the cool stuff while they make it a year long grind to earn a few bucks. Obviously the person will cave and pay up. Then your still required to pay more money for the maps they already sloppily threw together in a rush that were created at the same time that the game!e was released. They just sit on the maps and slowly release them through the year.

            $500 Console check
            $70 game check
            $50 micro transactions through the year check
            $50 maps that were held from release check
            $60 xbl for the year check
            $20 batteries check
            $60 extra controller check
            $200 headphones check
            $120 music service check
            $100 hulu plus check
            $100 Netflix check
            Twitch also costs a monthly sub to watch content higher than 360p from what I heard, don’t quite me on it though.

            $1330.00 is all it really cost to have the full experience on Xbox one. Tell me more about PC being expensive.

          • PhilVoid

            Since you have described an ‘experience’ with well defined costs for the Xbox One, and for some reason included services outside of Microsoft revenue… Would you provide a cost differential for the exacting experience/cost for the PS/4 or Steam? Apples need only compare to apples. Correct?

          • IKROWNI

            Yes sure no problem Google.com

          • PhilVoid

            I see. You took the time to produce a case against Xbox One. With zero effort to make it scientifically sound by simple comparison of sample.

          • IKROWNI

            Dude I don’t even know all of the services with the ps4 so I can’t without reading up on it. You on the other hand are more than welcome to. I am going PC this time around, do you really need me to break your heart with how much cheaper PC is in scope to the xbox? I really wouldn’t even know where to begin with the a budget of $1330.00 though I can tell you won’t be pretty for the xbox. Just ask and you shall receive though.

          • PhilVoid

            Well, then I take that as a confirmation of my last point. Thanks.

          • IKROWNI

            Wait wtf? That makes no sense at all.

          • PhilVoid

            You threw out prices for the Xbox One, provided no comparisons to other CONSOLES, and then pretend that a console is somehow the same as PC. “I like warm food. That must mean my stove is far superior to my refrigerator,” argument, I’m not willing to spend time with.

          • IKROWNI

            I already stated I don’t know the services and prices for any other next gen consoles. I made a quick price list to get the top experience from the xbox one and I happily invited you to add to it with a price for the ultimate in ps4 experience. I would love to see it as well. I’m sure it will probably be about $100-$200 cheaper than the xbox one since they are pretty similar when it comes to services and prices.

            Here ya go asshat.

            $400 Console check
            $70 game check
            $50 micro transactions through the year check
            $50 maps that were held from release check
            $50 psn for the year check
            $20 batteries check not sure if possible
            $60 extra controller check
            $200 headphones check
            $120 music service check
            $100 hulu plus check
            $100 Netflix check

            So roughly $1220.00 going to bed now if your Google is still broken please redirect your comments elsewhere.

          • PhilVoid

            Minus any form of microphone or camera, which the Xbox One includes as a Kinect. Good luck shouting at people online over ‘non-existent’ Skype on a PS/4, or game chat.

            It’s Mr. Asshat to you.

            PS. Did you notice how those services you used to inflate the price are now irrelevant?

            I’m going to bed. Thanks for the conversation.

          • IKROWNI

            thats cool how many friends do you think you will be keeping whn your friends have to listen to your tv playing the game because you use your kinect to communicate with them, and i thought thats why i included $200 for headphones they usually come with a mic.

          • PhilVoid

            I am in no way stating that PC’s aren’t the bomb for absolute best gaming experience… But, don’t throw a lump of 5hl7 on the table, targeting a console by over-inflating costs by adding external service costs, and pretending that is somehow a ‘baseline’, unless you provide an exacting baseline for comparison. A quick ‘for instance’.. does PS4 provide free Hulu Plus, or Netflix, headphones, extra controller, etc? No? Then what are you comparing to?

          • Singh1699

            Sir, don’t reproduce.

          • PhilVoid

            Don’t call me “Sir”. “Dad” is so much more cordial. Say “hi” to the Mrs. for me.

            You went ‘personal’ first, btw.

          • Brian Drewry

            you’re an angry little guy

          • Shengyun Zhou

            If your kids cant even figure out how to patch/mod a game on their own, I don’t think they can succeed in college.

          • PhilVoid

            Unless they want to be doctors, or lawyers, or accountants, or (insert high paid profession).

          • Aser1234

            Hey, guess what? Windows installs your external drivers for you. Unless you have a self-built PC, you shouldn’t have to install drivers, ever. Norton Security or Avast will clear you of most Trojans. You can easily get DDOS’d from playing multiplayer games on consoles. Wall hackers, scammers, and boosters proliferate the console world like no other. Xbox can easily die (red ring of death). There is very little gain in convenience in buying a console, especially when it uses 3-gen old technology and has poor service.

          • Anthony Caldwell

            So easy you forget the red circle of death on the Xbox 360’s eh?

          • Ryan Murphy

            I had a driver issue once. I went to the AMD site, it ran a program to analyze what I needed, I downloaded, restarted and an hour later I was playing the game. Also, every other game played at 5 FPS higher. A decent antivirus, which one should have anyway, combined with VAC basically removes any hacking issues.

          • shawn m

            CPU/motherboard (possibly ram) every 6-8 years (sometimes longer). GPU can go longer if you don’t need absolute bleeding edge. Speaking in terms for nvidia (AMD follows a similar parity), the 8800 lasted way too long. The 9000 series was easily skippable and the 200 series was decent, but there was no new software really pushing the envelope compared to when crysis was originally released. A little over a year later was the 400 series which was another good step up, but software was still iffy by comparison to the hardware in general then the 500 series came out which was a better revision of the 400 series (not a huge upgrade) and we are now on the 700 seres (600 is mostly skippable as well).

            So, someone could have went from a 6000 series card to a 8800 to a 200 series card to a 700 series card skipping years worth of architecture updates along the way. On the CPU side of things, going from a dual core to an x58 platform was a signifigant upgrade. Going from the x58 to a x79 is not as dramatic of an upgrade and could probably wait for the next architechture base to be released.

            What will become far more important in the near future is the change to the 4k resolution specifications. This will put far more of a premium on the GPU side of things making the next 2 generations of graphics cards far more relevant for noticible improvements in terms of fidelity and need for computational horsepower.
            So, dropping 300-500 on a GPU every 4-6 years (or longer) isn’t an unreasonable proposition. While 6-8 years (or longer) spending 400-700 on CPU/mobo/ram. Gaming machines are always works in progress with the initial up front build cost being the worst, but getting far more functionality out of it over the long term.

          • David King

            4k games on a PC wont be main stream for 10 years. Sure some will run a 4k video card, very few games will have buggy options for 4k on a PC.

            I am still running a 460 GTX with 1gig of DDR5 and a i5 2500K. I might get a new video card this year before BF4 drops but maybe just a PS4 instead.

          • IKROWNI

            Isn’t final fantasy 14 coming out in a month with support for 4k? I’m just saying if there are games rolling out within the month of these consoles release which are struggling with 1080p how are these consoles future proof for 1 year let alone 10?

            VR at high fps and resolution is just right around the corner. Neither console from this new gen will be capable of doing anything that’s coming soon, aside from social media and play some more rehashed game sequals. Who’s ready for 10 more years of cod are you with me?

            Why not start working on a PC build now, even if you already have a new console start now with the basic components, and in a few months you will have a nice rig ready to play games with all the new advancements.

            I see some people running out to buy both consoles, why? You could soooo much more out of grabbing a ps4 AND a pc . most of the xbone games are on PC as well right from the start.

          • Anthony Caldwell

            Nope just buy a mid range graphics card…the consoles can’t be upgraded and a mid range card will already be ahead of them. As far as a cpu goes..Nope again because the CPU’s these are using are slow by comparison to anything other then a laptop (low end) I mean even the article said “these cpu’s are normally put into tablets” For a clearer picture: AMD 7770 1gb = $79 and a AMD 8 core CPU can be had for $100 (first gen) and these together make your PC already past both of these “next gen” consoles.

          • TheGlobalizer

            Not everyone wants or needs a cutting edge device. I haven’t bought a video card in over a decade and I’m not crazy about starting now.

          • PhilVoid

            Consoles are convenient. They are stationary in the living room, where many people can share the experience in comfort, on a large screen and surround sound. The latest consoles update themselves, and aren’t prone to malware. They do not require a keyboard or mouse, as they are programmed as a dedicated device. Developers know what hardware to expect, so they don’t have to shoot for the least common denominator, or force end users to constantly look for the latest video card/driver. In those regards, consoles are not inferior, but instead superior. Nothing is obsolete until no one finds it useful. The last round of consoles lasted 8 years, and many still find the viable for entertainment.

        • Ricky

          xbox has already revealed all their preorder game titles, all for an original $60

      • rfx60

        Lol no they wont (not for ps4 at least) Sony promised that games for the ps4 “will be no more than $60 dollars”. To keep a good rivalry microsoft will probably do the same thing and keep the games normal priced. That being said, if the games are gonna be normal priced, and the xbox 720/ps4 specs, the consoles are going to be REALLY expensive.

      • Mike Everett

        hopefully with the xbox one the move to digital happens faster so they can implement the discounts as on the pc with steam.. digital games should be cheaper than buying the physical discs..

        • RuinedXJake

          they got rid of drm, now dlc is just like it is with xbox 360. Digital downloading won’t change. and the sales wont be as good as steam sales, they will generally stay the same

          • Mike Everett

            Yeah was happy to hear that they took away the 24 hr check in but was bummed to hear what was scrapped to do so.. Digital video games are the future however not everyone was ready for it…

    • chojin999

      Exactly.

      But Microsoft, Sony and AMD CEOs and managers hope you and millions of people worldwide will be sheep enough to buy their frauds. Because selling cheap scam products makes them richer and richer with no effort on R&D.

      They really spent almost nothing on the fake next-gen consoles.

      They want an easy big check in return for their clever fraud.

      • dns7950

        Would it kill you to write one single comment without the words “fraud”, “scam”, or “fake”?? Your comments are nothing but a joke, you write the same thing on every single article and you never know what you’re talking about. It’s pathetic. Get a life.

        • Phobos

          I’m thinking when I search on the dictionary for the definitions of fraud, scam and fake chojins name will come up.

        • http://twitter.com/SeatownCrown Anthony Woods

          You can be brainwashed all you want. What changed with the “New” slim console? Nothing but the revenue coming in. You really needed a wireless adapter if you already bought one. The old hard drive you can use in the “new” 360 just by removing the ugly bulky case. Would it kill you to do some research.

          • tgrech

            Just because the externals didn’t change much doesn’t mean the internals didn’t, there was a fairly sizable rework of the whole CPU/GPU/RAM system, with a new process (Original was 90nm, Jasper was 65nm, Slim was 45nm). It probably cost quite a lot to change all of this, and although really it was more of a fix(Heat/power issues) than a new feature, it’s still far from just a new case and a couple of features chucked in(Though I’m sure it was intended for people who didn’t yet have an Xbox).

          • Kegan Scott

            Microsoft is always going to have an advantage on speed and graphics games are always going to be better on the XBOX

          • RJ

            Umm… The PS3 has far better internal specs than the Xbox 360, and the PS4 has slightly better specs than the One. I own the Ps3 and 360 both for their respective exclusives, and I enjoy both, so no bias. Have a good day.

          • matrix

            the ps3 has always had good spec for graphics they could do alot more, but heres the thing no developer wanted to sit there for long amounts of time making these games to take full advantage of the ps3 gpu and cpu because it would simply take too long

          • RuinedXJake

            the ps3 has an apu….. so…it would take too long?…. no it has to do with the OS architecture. It is never “simple” and it wouldn’t take too long, because they do it already. Games take years to develop like the last of us, and it takes full advantage of the console’s capabilities. The game is in 720p but has a LOT of effects that make the game look beautiful, not to mention the antialiasing and ambient occlusion that makes the characters soft when moving. Not everyone can take advantage of 1080, and I would rather have 720 anyways with better textures and better effects. Compare battlefield 3 to both, and they are both 1080 (xbox i, sony 1080p), not really much of a difference but anyways xbox might have slightly better textures, but has no effects compared to the ps3 version.

          • RuinedXJake

            same here, but I dont play ps3 much having only 3 games. I have 40 xbox games and its sad to say I like ps4 way better

          • shawn m

            How easy it is to spot a fanboy. The PS3 has technically better hardware, but it was harder to code for, thus you see a divergence in how developers approach it. The PS4 is a bit ahead of the xbox 1 as well. It will be far more pronounced if the fab issues rumored for the xbox come true and they have to down clock the APU (similar issues occured with the first gen PSP). It will mean a difference in performance ranging from 50-100% depending on the software involved and the screen resolutions available/rendering effects/FPS cap/etc.

            However, if you want to get really cynical about it as mentioned in various articles, all of the current gen consoles are already behind current PCs. This does not bode well for long term software development and gives rise to the question of why people will need to upgrade their current PCs for several years to come (barring 4k visual standard).

          • RuinedXJake

            this does tell me my radeon 7850 OC is in the clear for a while xD

          • PhilVoid

            “How easy it is to spot a fanboy.”
            I see one! I see one!

          • RuinedXJake

            this is not true. PS3’s apu was great, and better than xbox 360’s performance. and it’s games have always been higher quality with effects, just a slightly lower resolution (most of the time).

            Sony has had a special way to deal with its own graphics capabilities- dev teams would simply make games that were 720 rather than 1080, then give them really good effects. The gpu was already better than xbox 360, but 720 honestly isn’t that bad-looking. Now keep in mind this is MORE for like exclusive games with some excetions, and this isn’t always the case. but Battlefield 3 on ps4 is 1080 and has more effects than xbox, like falling, and moving around, at the cost of slightly lower quality picture, which is totally worth it to me. PS3’s “The Last Of Us” was 720 quality but I noticed some effects that were just like Uncharted 2, like ambient occlusion, where anytime you move, the character seems soft. metro 2033(pc) did the same thing, but you couldn’t see it on your friends unless you stood still. In the last of us you can see it on yourself when you are moving, and to be honest the whole thing looks like a movie compared to older gamess like resistancce 2. the whole thing looked like a movie it was so sick, so dont tell me xbox can even compare.

          • Generalkidd

            You are completely wrong on so many levels. The PS3 did not have an APU. That’s just an AMD thing. The PS3 instead had a PowerPC-based Cell Processor which was superior to the Xbox 360’s CPU. However, the PS3 had a weaker graphics card due to the lack of unified shaders and memory, plus a lower clock speed.
            You are right the PS3 tends to have lower resolution games, but the graphical limitations don’t just stop there. When you compare a lot of games side to side on both consoles, you’ll notice that in almost every comparison, the Xbox 360 produces sharper and clearer images thanks to the GPU’s eDRAM which allows for free 4x Multi-Sample Anti Aliasing. The PS3 has to use its Cell CPU to make up for the weaker graphics card. As you should know, CPU’s are not as efficient at graphics calculations as GPU’s are. Therefore, to match the Xbox 360’s graphics, it’s very taxing on the PS3’s hardware which results in Anti-Aliasing being left out in many PS3 games in favor of a blur effect. The blur effect helps produce smoother images, but you can tell the difference between true anti aliasing on the xbox 360 and the blur effect to cover up jagged edges on the PS3.
            That being said, the difference between the Xbox 360 and PS3 was marginal at best. The Xbox 360 had a slight edge thanks to its better GPU and eDRAM Free Anti-Aliasing. The PS3 kept up thanks to its Cell Processor but is unable to completely surpass the Xbox 360. It’ll be the same situation with the Xbox One and PS4 again. The PS4 may have faster RAM but once again, the Xbox One has ESRAM which is an upgraded version of eDRAM. That will once again allow the Xbox One to keep up and possibly move a bit ahead of the PS4. But overall, the differences will be marginal and you won’t notice too much difference between the two consoles.
            Now the Original Xbox and PS2 graphical differences is a different story… But that definitely isn’t the case with the Xbox 360 and PS3 and definitely won’t be the case with the Xbox One and PS4.

          • RuinedXJake

            jasper was the one you did not want, it was the one that caused problems. I had 2 jaspers rrod from overheating on me. Gamestop replaced both and eventually gave me the falcon but gave me back my old HDD so I didnt get the 60 gb one!!! haha

          • Stephen McCauley

            Its silly to think that the PS3 was technically superior in anything except for being marginally better with physics and AI, especially graphically. The 360 had a far better platform as its CPU and memory bus and bandwidth could hold its own against the PS3’s Cell and needlessly fast RAM, its the GPU that really made the difference, and you’d be an utter fool to believe that the PS3’s use of, at its launch, old tech, is better than the 360’s unified architecture with twice the processing power. You guys are so uninformed its pathetic.

          • RuinedXJake

            you are retarded.

            http://www.diffen.com/difference/PlayStation_3_vs_Xbox_360

            the xbox has 1 tera-flops while ps3 has 2.

          • Stephen McCauley

            You might have ruined your brain there, Jake. It helps to understand what you are talking about before you go throwing out theoretical numbers that are proposed in a perfect environment and as such are not an indicative of how either one will perform when in the real world of programming. Neither console will achieve even half that performance, and in said real world, the Xbox ends up performing better as a special coding structure is required to make use of what small advantage the Cell may ever have. You probably don’t even understand the basic architecture of any of the components of either console or what is important and why…

            Long story short, don’t go calling people retarded when you’re the one spouting off without a clue as to what you’re discussing.

          • traviserck

            What you say is qutie true. Had the Cell been so great then why is the architecture not being used again. Becuase its not compared to the unified architecture already out. Developers found it painful to code for and it offered not much of a real world advantage when compared in the real world. This is a very similar statement as to many that think more horsepower of a car translates to faster 0-60 times. It’s the torque and effficiency that makes the most difference. Some the PS3 (which i own) was not so good at.

          • traviserck

            PS fanboys are the worst. It’s fact and every tech sight has stated they are the worst when it comes to knowledge.

          • ImSofaKingGood

            “it’s fact” no
            “tech sight” fail
            “stated they are the worst” no proof
            Idiots like you are the reason console wars exist.

      • ArchAngel570

        Is it not common business marketing to manufacturer a product for cheap and sell it for profit? Not everything is fraud. Microsoft and Sony are making a product to appeal to as many potential buyers as possible and they will both make hundreds of millions of dollars off these consoles over the years. And I would dare say the majority of the consumers will enjoy their choice of console!

        The next gen console does not mean it has to outpace even the fastest computer on the market. Using that logic with new cars would be stupid. Every year when a new car comes out you don’t hear the masses mitch and boan that it doesn’t exceed Bugatti specs do you? I don’t think the consoles are being developed to compete with pc gaming rigs. The price point for consoles is ~$400. This is hundreds to thousands less then top of the line pc gaming machines. It will be profitable based on price point and acceptable performance.

        • shawn m

          Actually this is a trend with cars lately in terms of both handling/performance and performance/gas mileage. Even beyond that the cost comparison with either aspect is equally valid as well, this is why vehicles like the hummer and PT cruiser failed so miserably and trucks/SUVs in general are on the decline. The only real difference is that the automotive industry has little incentive to upgrade over time, while the tech industry has every incentive to upgrade.

      • Yoon YoungJo

        Seriously, I don’t see the fraud anywhere. They are releasing a product. They are fully transparent about what it does, what’s in it. Furthermore I haven’t seen anywhere the companies are claiming it cost them 10 billion dollars to develop these. There is no fraud here. Just some nut that is upset about something else.

        Now a company that needs to go to great lengths to hide something or something their doing, like a MMO company named Perfect World Entertainment. That’s fraud. Using fake players in your products to cheat and out play people from the inside, that’s fraud. Making promises about your product, then chnging your mind about it once you have their money, that’s fraud. Claiming 3rd party virtual goods sites are against your terms of service, and banning “buying” customers for using them but allowing the “sellers” and 3rd party operators to operate without hindrance…. That’s fraud.

      • ProgressivenessMan

        “fake next-gen consoles” What is your agruement? Are you suggesting that Sony is lying and there is no PS4?

      • Alex Garris

        I agree with you. They spent nothing on R & D on these machines. They simply took existing architecture, AMD’s APU, and threw it in a box with some ram and a hard drive. It’s basically a LAN Box. Why are you getting down votes. We got console fan boy’s running around in here? PC for life!

        • RuinedXJake

          I am an avid xbox and pc fanboy. I have like 40 games on xbox, 30 on steam, bf3 and a few others on origin of course, but I also do have a ps3 with the LAST OF US which is the only reason I bought that console, along with uncharted series. so-they always design their own processor, this time being an apu, and yes it might have similar features to a LAN box but it does not run on windows, it’s controller is not a mouse and keyboard, and it will not have errors due to background or other processes on the computer. It will have it’s exclusive titles, and you cannot change, modify, or “upgrade” the OS, unless it is like updates, like the first patch going back to disks.

          basically to sum it up, we want a controller than is more compact, and simplified, but still very dedicated. we want to sit on the couch with this device and play on the tv, without ever ever ever needed a keyboard or mouse. we want a stable OS that is guaranteed on, without any “windows errors” that came in the E3 presentations on deadrisinng or the indie stands when the guy went to fix the pc tower. we want the disks, rather than being stuck with a game we don’t like forever. We like used games, and trading, and borrowing. Steam, origin, and u-play don’t offer this. You cannot sell your games ever, and we always need that option or else it’s like buying something always and never getting a receipt just like any dlc we buy. I love starwars movies but the force unleashed 2 was not very appealing to me. I returned it and got my $60 back. PC, I would be stuck with it forever. However I like steam sales, and $15 investments are worth it. I love my graphics card which I am told will still be better than the next gen consoles. Does that mean that I like all the errors I get from my PC? My old intel i3 desktop didn’t get half as many errors as amd fx 6300 but I still love my pc with a passion. I got an amd laptop with no errors, but that darn desktop with gaming just sometimes is unstable. and the microsoft wireless controller receiver always cuts out regardless of the usb port I use, so if i ever played multiplayer, I would get mad very fast. Anyways now you know why some people prefer console.

          • Simsam2

            In case you haven’t noticed, discs suck. They take half the volume of your console, they make a crapload of noise, and are slow as hell. They come in a shit package, with a 2 pages manual for the exorbitant price of 70€!
            The first thing that happens when you insert the cd is your game runs away to a real support….
            Since when does a console install games and updates? Give us cartridges or USB discs or dematerialized… But please trash CDs!

            Plug a controller to your pc, your pc to the tv, and if you don’t like paying 20€ less for better quality games, go to the pirate bay. How much do you resell you games?

        • traviserck

          Yes, Alex, fanboy (children) run rapant in the game console forums.

    • VirtualMark
    • Tom

      The overall architecture is way different than a normal pc as the processor is on the same chip as the ram which is shortening the moving of the data… etc. pc’s are way different than consoles trust me, also u said some pretty stupid things :)) joking but yeah

      • chojin999

        Way different, what? Way cheap.. not way different.

        Unless you buy the marketing bull.

        The AMD APU is nothing new in the industry.
        And it’s not the most efficient architecture either.

        SoCs with CPU and GPU core exist since many years ago already.

        The best ones actually are the Apple Ax ones with custom ARM CPU cores and PowerVR GPU cores.

        • Phobos

          so the APU is nothing new to the industry says who? you? I laugh at you.

          • chojin999

            You are an ignorant like other little kids that go on forums and blogs insulting people. Or you are just using multiple accounts here to insult anyone that says anything you can’t understand and you have no clue nor technical background about.

          • tgrech

            “You are an ignorant” I’m afraid ignorant isn’t a noun.
            However, the Jaguar cores are probably the only cores that fill the job. Intel can’t work with consoles because they probably won’t do custom chips, and will have a load of hurdles and extra costs that’d make the cost insane if they did.
            ARM cores simply aren’t powerful enough.
            Since HSA is possibly the only major way to progress with performance now, and APUs have been getting much faster year by year(Compared to Intels 5-10% speed increase for example), an APU seemed like the obvious answer.

            Do you want to suggest a better legally and financially viable method without sacrificing performance?

          • Phobos

            he can’t.

          • http://www.facebook.com/carsten.Vinter.haase Carsten Haase

            sry, but the APU architecture is far away from new to the industry – AMD introduced their APU in June 2010.

            quote from Tom: “The overall architecture is way different than a normal pc as the processor is on the same chip as the ram which is shortening the moving of the data… etc. pc’s are way different than consoles trust me,”

            that my friend is just bullshit – The AMD APU is and was introduced as an integrated CPU/GPU Processor for use in Netbooks, Notebooks, Tablets and normal PCs you can buy them just for home Desktop PC everywhere – it´s just a different socket..
            And the CPU and RAM is NOT on the same Chip – where did you get such nonsense??? – APU just means that CPU and GPU is on the same DIE!
            http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKTOP/PROCESSORS/A-SERIES/Pages/a-series-pib.aspx

          • Phobos

            is 3yrs really that old? I know ever sense AMD bought ATI they had the idea of cpu/gpu on the same die. So what’s your point?

          • Digitaldreamer7

            In the tech world, 3 years is nearing obsolete.

          • traviserck

            On what basis can you support this theory? You do realize that USB, PCI, X86 architecture has already been around for over a decade. The APU architecure by far hasn’t. Sadly your comment while has some merit by no means is it true.

          • traviserck

            3 years isn’t that old sparks.

          • shawn m

            Intel could do it. It woudl just cost more. If they are planning on shipping millions of units, shaving $30-50 off the cost per unit is a huge deal, especially if your competitor isn’t going down the same route.

          • ethan11234455

            xbox wins

          • ethan11234455

            ps4 sucks vevala XBOX

          • RuinedXJake

            viva la, not vevala you idiot. viva means live, and la means the, you idiot

          • Phobos

            I’m not alone on this, but I’m pretty sure more than half of the people that comment in here will agree, you always talk out of your ass.

          • PhilVoid

            Where were you when you heard him speak in such a manner? LOL

          • Bose321

            The PC market has known it for years. For consoles everything is new. I laugh at you.

          • Phobos

            Any proof of it?

          • http://www.facebook.com/abcike123 Lewis Mason-Hathaway Powers

            Ohhh gosh looks like anouther kiddy on the block….As stated below amd released llano in 2010. there first apu in single (oem) dual and quad core veriations. despite this amd released road maps annually and the majority of the public who were in the need to know basis ( i.e Works With I.t For a living ) Knew About AMD’s aspirations for a cpu and gpu on the same bit of scilicoln for a long time. Whats going in the ps4 and xbox is a custom extended 8 core cpu ( Paird Quad Core Design ( abit like the core 2 quads with double core count ) each core pair share set of level 2 cache and a LOW POWER Design . theres a reason its only running at 1.6 ghz. it was never designed to be a power house. your poberly looking at a 30 w TDP maybe 50 in worse case senario. my fx 8320 with same core count runs at 3.5ghz and can turbo a pair of cores to 4ghz. and sits on a 140w TDP motherboard. ( cpu rated for 130w) THEY ARE BASICLY SISTER CPU’S WITHOUT THE GPU DIE !!!! except your was designed with media in mind not all out power. its not to say its not a good work horse ( built a few trinitys of late ) and the quad cores handle xfire no probs . but you need to go back to school and learn something befor declaring things as stupid

          • Phobos

            So the implementation of cpu and gpu on the same die is nothing new, I don’t know about you but before llano what cpu there was that implemented cpu/gpu on the same die?

          • Rage King

            Okay. Why are you trying to defend that APUs are still brand new? After they’ve given you flat out proof and thrown it to your face while you just throw up mumbo jumbo stuff that you’ve heard that doesn’t even make sense. AMD APUs are nothing new and are week compared to other CPUs/GPUs in desktop PC’s/Laptops. Look up Trinity or the newer set of APUs Richland series somewhere which has been out for a while long before the PS4 was even announced. If the PS4 was really going to use ‘new’ APUs they’d have the unreleased Richland series. If you want to stay dumb go ahead I really don’t care but we just want to prove the fact that you are still dumb and follow marketing BS.

          • Douglas Alford

            For real I have had an intel APU quad core processor in my system for two years nearly now and I came into that market late. That tech is far, far, far from new.

          • RuinedXJake

            explain to me how you have an intel apu? I suppose amd can hyperthread too? APU is trademark to amd, and although anything that intel hsa recently made that combines cpu and gpu onto a chip, hasn’t been out for 2 years, plus it’s not even called APU

          • Douglas Alford

            APU is a type of processor the combines both cpu and gpu yes amd tardemarked APU but a rose is still a rose.. My i5 has the equal of a amd hd5000 series single gpu as well as 4 cpu cores. You should really go educate yourself before you post on a tech discussion. Or maybe I could crazy and making it all up for fun. ;)

          • shawn m

            It isn’t new. How it is being applied is better, but the concept isn’t new with integrated features on board/chip.

        • RuinedXJake

          you are really misinformed. APU cam out in the last few years, and has been really experimental. The first PC’s by amd sucked, until they made the second gen apus, after the xbox 360slims with apus, and really experimented. Now AMD is working between sony and microsoft(separately), watching each struggle with them to make a good apu, which sony has shown us, but microsoft thought a gtx 700 series would be “comparable to modkits similar is specs to the xbox one” Imagine a scientist who’s doing deals for two contractors but can’t use the work from one with the other, so I am really curious to see what each one initially ends up being.

        • RuinedXJake

          correction, the first APU’s by amd sucked, not the pc, because I liked the bulldozer 2 series.

        • traviserck

          Your not very bright. You need to read up on HSL and stop posting this garbage you look extremely ignorant.

    • http://www.facebook.com/stormystorms Falcon D. Stormvoice

      It’s not a matter of need, it’s a matter of want. I want one for games similar to PS3 games like Heavy Rain and The Last of Us. I also want it for the low price, certain Sony features and the sleek Sony style, with no worries about repairs and upgrading. Now, I love repairing and upgrading computers — but I don’t want to be unable to game just because my PC is reduced to its constituent components strewn over my office floor at the moment. Only game I really play on PC is Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations, anyway.

    • mazty

      Existing console owners can upgrade, and in terms of value for money, they do offer a good deal. Personally I run a 560 Ti, and upgrading wouldn’t be worth it if the consoles can outmatch that performance for at least 12-18 months.

      • shawn m

        Depending on your CPU, the current gen consoles won’t outpace what you curretnly have at most resolutions.

        • mazty

          True, but you’ll be paying a lot more than $399 for a PC that does what the PS4 will be doing as you also have to consider OS, case, PSU etc.

    • http://twitter.com/Taskermatic Taskermatic

      $1000+ PC or $400 console? Get it now? Most people don’t have a PC nearly powerful enough to emulate the next gen consoles. These people will go for the cheap option and buy a console.

      • http://www.facebook.com/carsten.Vinter.haase Carsten Haase

        that just counts for the US market – in europe we have a way different view and here – most people have a PC that outperformes the consoles easily

        • jjgnc

          Personally I’d pass on crappy Windows computers AND crappy Microsoft consoles.

          • RuinedXJake

            windows is the most common OS everywhere. MAC’s are a pain and generally all of my programs aren’t compatible with a mac without getting something SIMILAR to those said programs. They are definitely useful for video editing, and music. But they aren’t obsolete with everything the general population likes. I have a mac all in one, plus my windows 7 desktop and windows 8 laptop. I play xbox mostly so no pc fanboy here. Even if I was though, I’d say that mac is barely available to steam, and linux is catching up to mac

          • PhilVoid

            Me too. I like the great Windows computers AND great Microsoft consoles.

        • http://twitter.com/Taskermatic Taskermatic

          I live and work in the uk. If you think most people here have a PC that can outperform next gen consoles you have a lot to learn.

          • shawn m

            People who game on those machines will. Those who use facebook won’t. The facebook crowd isn’t the core gamer crowd and are at best the casual crowd with a Wii lying around somewhere.

          • RuinedXJake

            you dont say….

          • RuinedXJake

            I watch movies that take place in the UK, and I have seen some good computers. (good enough).

      • Persei

        A $500 self built PC will trump these new consoles from day one. Why? Physics. Both consoles will be limited by noise levels and heat generation. The fact that an APU is harder to cool than a default CPU+GPU solution due to the limited surface area simply means they will not be able to pull out the same performance.

        As above: “So, all in all, an 8-core Jaguar might manage about half the performance of a current-gen Core i7.”

        At the end of the year any Haswell i5 or i7 will trump the CPU, and a $200 GTX760 or a HD8770 will wipe the floor with the GPU. Add to the the improved porting of new games and the PC will still be a valid alternative to consoles for years to come.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jaron.swain Jaron Swain

          $500 build? What are you trying to run? A clean version of MS Paint?

          • Sam Frankelli

            What do YOU need to run? LAX, lol.. $500 will get me a gaming machine that will surpass any next-gen. Ive built them for under that.

          • Sam Frankelli

            Not sure if Persei was talking new build. existing build it can be done, new build at least $800 to start

          • Bose321

            Get your head out of your arse. Look up what you can buy for 500 dollars.

          • http://www.facebook.com/abcike123 Lewis Mason-Hathaway Powers

            500 pounds yes dnt know about dollers lol ( and yes without windows , we can use linux and emulate with wine for most games ) fx 8320 , £120 , 8gb ddr3 1866mhz patriot ram ( £40 ) cheap-o am3+ mobo £30 500w corsair gx psu £50 , standerd atx case ( £20 ) 120gb ocz agility 3 ( £70 ) Gtx 660ti £170 …….. probs about 600 dollers and im sure he measn with pirated WINDOWS haha But he not far off

          • ProgressivenessMan

            Idk the prices in Europe but here is the cost of that computer in the US. FX 8320=$160, 8gb ddr3 1886mhz=$90, atx case=$50, 120gb ssd=$90, 660 ti=$300
            $690 in all, pretty decent computer.

          • http://www.facebook.com/abcike123 Lewis Mason-Hathaway Powers

            yh not far off mate. imprt bump out prices up slightly although from wa I can tell out graphics cards are cheaper but stik anouter 15$ dollars on every part bought from Britain

          • PhilVoid

            If it can run without a CPU or power supply.

          • RuinedXJake

            correction:they build the best budget for under $500 or under $1000 and then tell you all the parts os you can build it yourself

        • Denzo

          It’s not that simple in real life. I’m not being argumentative. And certainly not trying to be rude, but how a PC performs compared to a console isn’t all that different. I have an i7 975X processor, SSD extreme, a new 7970 Asus card 3GB TOP, and 12 GB ram. This thing even without over clocking can keep up with any game basically 60FPS solid. I finished Bioshock infinite, tombraider, and crisis 3(almost). Max settings.

          I can’t say what the rig is worth cause its overpriced Alienware and maybe you could get the parts cheaper as a budget build it yourself rig. But still, this PC cost around $5,500 back in 2009- I added an SSD the new video card and ram I mentioned. And yeah it goes well. But seriously – I play my Xbox 360 and run Forza or Gears of War 3/Judgement – or run my PS3

          • Digitaldreamer7

            Yea bro, you got ripped off

          • Persei

            This may have been true for previous generation of consoles due to the PowerPC and Cell architectures, but since the switch to x86 the playing field is level. At the launch, PS4 will be equal to a medium to high end PC and the Xbox One to a medium range. Don’t forget both Nvidia and AMD are releasing their new architectures at the end of the year as well, with especially the HD9000 series looking promising. Nvidia seems to stick with the GK104 chips but higher clocked.

          • Denzo

            Obviously there is no way you could know if the PS4 or XBOX is more capable at this stage. Ps4 has faster ram. But Xbox has 32MB SDRAM which is equally important. It will come down to software and how it’s written.

            As for the new AMD and nvidia cards looking promising- they say the same thing every year. It really just doesn’t change that much which is my whole point.

            Look at my GTX295 I had- it’s a 2008/9 model card. Best one you could buy. 5-6 years old now. Since the 200 series, there has been 400, 500, 600 and now 700 soon. Seriously, yeah there’s an improvement. But even when you compare that old GTX 295 with say a GTX680 and you play a game on a normal 1920×1200 24 inch for example- there really isn’t that much difference. And the cards cost so much more now- but they really don’t do THAT MUCH compared to the old cheap ones.

            When you used to buy a PS1, then get a PS2 you would say “wow looks amazing now”. When you got the pS3 over the PS2 you would say the same thing. Same thing for Xbox to 360.

            PC is getting a lot more expensive- and the gains returned are so small compared to what you pay.

            I’ll finish by giving you a real life example. When I play my GTX295 and I run Tomb Raider (the latest one) it looked awesome. It ran about 30-41 FPS.

            Now what do I get for spending $480 on a new AMD 3GB 7970 TOP Asus card? Her hair looks better. I get about 10-15 FPS more. Seriously? For nearly $500? You think it’s worth it? Nice hair on a video game ?? Keep in mind the mon tesslx hair already looks good enough.

            Look I wanted to do it, it was fun to try it but if your a bit younger and thinking of where to spend your money don’t believe everything you read. Even reviews on websites sometimes are paid advertisements at the end if the day. I know this for a fact even in car magazines they can’t say anything bad otherwise the company doesn’t give them new ones to review anymore (if they give a bad review).

            Sorry for the long story. Hope it helps guide someone and save someone a hard earned dollar.

          • matrix

            heres the thing pc games havent really stepped up, even if you have a really good graphics card your playing games that aint going to use all that power, if they had more game developers making proper games for pcs graphics would look much more better but they dont coz they put all that time into consoles instead

          • Alex Pelletier

            Exactly, show me a game on PC that looks better than The Division, Destiny or Ryse which were just announced for the next-gen consoles. Everyone keeps going on about how PC’s are so much more powerful, forgetting that software plays a huge part in graphics quality. And the fact is all of the world’s biggest developers make games for consoles, which means consoles are still basically determining the benchmark for game graphics.

          • webduelist

            a lot of the things you are saying are not really true since the price of a pc has fallen way off from where it use to be.

            As for a new gpu and not seeing frame increases its most likely that your CPU northbridge is bottle necking your GPU. This does not mean that the CPU is not performing, its just to old to use the GPU to its fullest.

            Also you are forgetting that your computer is also a computer not just a gaming console. To get the same functionality with getting a Xbox one (computer tasks (excel, word, indie games etc) and gaming) you will have paid $1420 for a xbox one, a computer, and xbox live for multiplayer.

            But really a 7970 should have been averaging 60+ fps. Something else is causing it not to perform more than likely your cpu.

          • shawn m

            The PS4 has more computational units on it and faster unified ram architecture. The xbox is split for different purpsoes limiting the throughput depending on the circumstances. It would become more pronounced if the fab issues are true and they have to downclock the APU due to the sram.
            Basically the real difference will be instance sizes, resolution caps, FPS caps, and how many after effect rendering properties are enabled.

          • matrix

            pcs are always going to be more powerful then consoles

          • Agustin Freyre

            You may be the single most rational PC player in the world. I salute you.

          • Tyler Durden

            Dude, you got scammed. I just built a rig from TigerDirect parts that INCLUDED a 3×22″ monitor bundle for $1500 AFTER my stupid Canadian sales tax. You dont NEED a huge SSD, the performance increase really isnt significant and its half the cost of your rig. 5 Grand in 2k9? What did you get? Two Mars II’s?

            Thats what you get for buying overpriced Dell (alienware died a long time ago, its Dell now)

          • shawn m

            Sorry you got ripped off, but your current build should last another 4-6 years easily without any upgrade unless you need to perform some maitenence on it.

        • Zeratul Zum

          Not sure… that new architecture is very promising. Change that number to 750$ and I will believe you.

          • Persei

            That architecture is x86-64, it’s what the PC has been using for the last 10 years.

        • Digitaldreamer7

          Current mid range I5’s and 7850’s are already ahead of these in performance.

      • Bose321

        What are you blabbing about? Who says you need to get a 1000 dollar PC? A 400-500 dollar PC will outdo any console hands-down.

        • Cai Phillips-Jones

          let me see that build?

          • Ben Pottinger

            Ok, easy enough. Lets go intel since we know its faster and we will match the GPU of the XboxOne (7790). Newegg has an OC7790 for 135$ right now.
            https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10627065/Photos/ConsolePC.pdf

            There is a PDF with the wishlist. Total is 560$ish. It would easily beat the XboxOne and could be made 100$ cheaper with some deals and the 100$ could be spent on a controller and a decent KB/Mouse combo. I didn’t include a OS because you will spend the same on windows8 as you will your first year of M$’s “live” service most likely so its a wash.

            The Big savings comes when you install Steam and you never again pay more then 30$ for a game, and you instead usually pay 5-7$ per game. In a year you will have hundreds more games then you would for your console and you will have spent less money on them in total. Oh, and you can spend that couple hundred bucks you saved over the year buying cheaper games on a new video card and a year after you bought your “SteamBOX” it will be crushing both consoles from both companies. Just drop that box behind your TV and enjoy your new “console”!

          • Cai Phillips-Jones

            Ok, seems like you cut some corners with the OS and lack of monitor. I can’t imagine using a tv unless you have a separate desk computer that is just as powerful a productivity booster as a high end gaming pc. My gaming rig has saved me countless hours of homework time with its 6 gb ram and ability to have dozens of windows open. The thing is, if you want to spend 300+ for something that only plays games, then you should get a console. However, you can spend double or triple that, and, as you point out, you will eventually make much of that difference back with cheaper games, and also get a multimedia workstation that can also be upgraded for less than the cost of a console. My point is, 4-500 is a bit of an exaggeration for a new PC comparable to the next gen consoles. However, what you get is so much more, so there is really no need to exaggerate.

          • Ben Pottinger

            BUILD LINK IS HERE: (http://goo.gl/kBQtH)

            Lack of a monitor? So we are going to include the price of a TV into the cost of the consoles right?! 560$ is *NOT* an exaggeration. In fact its overkill in some ways. You can game extremely well (1920x1080x60fps) on ivybridge i3 CPU that costs 99$ (so remove 80$ from the total) you would need to upgrade the video card before the CPU caused you any real problems (and it would still be more then enough for most all modern games at high @1920×1080). So remove the i5, swap an i3 in and buy windows 8 for 90$. Price is now 562.94 after rebates.

            Your going to hook this PC up to your TV and use it as a console in STEAM “Big Picture Mode”. I did this with a spare pile of parts and the GTX460 I pulled from my main PC when I upgraded. It sits behind my TV and is wonderful for playing games with a controller just like any other console. It can boot right into Steam Big Picture and a totally clueless newb could walk over, pick up the controller, start a game and start playing. Should he want to buy a game and install it he can do that just as easily, very similar to how its done on the PS3/Xbox360 for digital downloads.

            So, for fractionally more then these new consoles are likely to cost you will get a full PC capable of anything any normal PC can do, you can install media-center on it or XMBC or Plex and use it as a streaming media home theater PC *AND* use it as a console with steam big picture mode, AND surf the web, etc etc.

            Its not the PC hardware that makes it better, its not windows that makes it better (LOL), its *STEAM* that makes it better then any other console on the market and any other console currently scheduled to be released. Steam makes PC gaming stupidly easy and makes it stupidly inexpensive and gives you access to a stupidly massive library of games. Sony and M$ didn’t put PC hardware in their consoles because it was better then the alternatives they did it to attract the gigantic army of developers pumping out amazing indie software on the PC. They want those developers and those games.

            On xbox360 there are 1504 games available as of 2/18/13. Steam (as of today) has 2002 windows compatible games. Thats just on steam and you can easily install Desura, GOG, and other online services as well.

            I have a PS3 I bought for PS3 exclusives. It might happen again with the PS4 if they continue to offer their online service for free. But the reality of 2013 is not the world of 2006. PC gaming in 2013 really is “console easy” and costs about half as much (per game) with better graphics. Seems a easy choice for me.

          • http://www.facebook.com/cphillipsjones Cai Phillips-Jones

            You may want to include a tv as part of a consoles price. Either way, it would be a waste of a pc to hook it up to a standard tv with a standard slow reaction time, or a 17 inch monitor for gaming.

            basically pc gaming is more expensive for a couple reasons
            1. proper gaming monitor is quite different, larger and with a better reaction time required.
            2. the i3 you’re talking about most likely will not be competitive with next gen consoles.
            3. I don’t understand why you removed the OS from the equation.
            4. pcs require a large initial investment, consoles require a small initial investment and incremental game purchases.

            I just don’t think that the prices are equivalent. The power supply you listed isn’t big enough to power that gpu. With an OS and decent power supply the total would be more like 750. That’s without mouse, keyboard, controller, monitor, or assembly.

            You can spend $450 on a pc but it won’t match up with the neg gen systems.

            The laws of economics are pretty straightforward:

            the console manufacturers buy huge amounts of components at scaled down prices. They also sell at a loss, unlike pc manufacturers.

          • Sunset Rider

            So your $560 PC is actually $660 after an OS. Let’s not forget peripherals like a keyboard and mouse for $40 (since the consoles come with a controller) so that comes up to $700. Now don’t forget shipping costs as well – another $50. We’ll exclude tax since both PCs and consoles will be taxed, or not taxed depending where you buy it from.

            I don’t know about you, but $750 is a lot more money than $400. And unlike Steam, you can buy used/rent/borrow games for significantly cheaper.

            Just admit it. $400 for a PS4 is a great deal for what it can do.

          • PhilVoid

            And the incessant ‘whir’ noise, update pop-ups, heat build up, BSODs, UI too small to read from 10 feet, rat’s nest of cables, A/V switchers, cumbersome keyboard/mouse laying on your couch, no good surface for said mouse to function properly, login screens, and poor support from universal remotes to properly understand you actually want to use your PC as a console. Meh. too much hassle. I’m not lazy, I’m just realistic, and value where I spend my time.

        • http://twitter.com/CuylarBlair Cuylar Blair

          Show the build or STFU

          • Ben Pottinger

            Its listed in the link above yours (twice). Its a decent case with a decent power supply and then matched the XboxOne in every area I easily could. The new consoles use dinky 8 “core” (not really) CPUs so instead I matched CPUs based on what you need to push a game at 1080p with med/high settings in most games and still get 60fps(ish). Remember current consoles most often push 720p and 30fps so even a really basic current gen video card crushes current systems.

            Sure you can spend a fair amount more should you want to, or by buying top tier gear. Even then you can easily build a *nice* gaming rig for 1000-1200$ that will easily play anything out now maxed (more or less).

            Heck, I just bought a Lenovo *LAPTOP* for 850$ that *crushes* the specs on these new consoles. 8GB Ram, ivy bridge core i7, GTX 750m, 1TB HDD and 15.6″ 1920×1080 panel. Thats an amazing gaming machine for less then 900$ and its a laptop!

          • Oliver Davis

            It is a true 8 core CPU for starter. The cores are paired in modules but are all hardware cores unlike Intels Software Hyperthreaded Cores. This is something Intel have done before too.

            That laptop will not ‘crush’ new consoles. That 750m GPU scores 1633 on PassMark. The 7790 scores 3059, almost twice as powerful.

            See here;
            http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+750M&id=2492
            http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+7790&id=2502

            The CPU in your laptop is the i7-3630QM which is a 2.4Ghz Quad with Hyperthreading. Each thread that is a Hyperthread is only 25% of the performance of a normal thread. So its like having 4 threads at 2.4Ghz and 4 at 0.6Ghz. Not that impressive at all. You have 1600Mhz Ram. The Xbox has 2133Mhz with esRam and the PS4 5000Mhz GDDR5 Ram. So you lose here. You have a slow 5400rpm 1Tb HDD. A 720p Webcam, both the PS4 and Xbox will come with a 1080p Motion tracking camera.

            And to finish it all off you have a total of 3 hours battery life thats reduced to 45minutes while gaming.

            So ladies and gents, thats how not to spend 850$

            Also, the colour quality that comes on that Lenovo Y500 screen is terrible. The contrast ratio is rather low.

            So at the end of the day you are left with a laptop that performs as well as a 450$ PC that you cannot take out of the house as it will die within 45 minutes gaming.

          • Ben Pottinger

            Weird.. It seems to play everything fine that I’ve got on steam (the 300+ or so games on there). And those AMD “8” cores are not really “8” cores if we are going to count HTing that harshly (which it often deserves). Don’t judge a ram by its mhz rating, there is so much more too it then that. The PS4s GDDR ram for example has excellent throughput but comparatively poor latency. As for webcams, meh, I tape over those thing anyway. That slow 1TB drive has pretty impressive throughput numbers. RPM ratings no longer really “judge” a drive anymore (a 5400 can beat an old 10k over a fair number of benchmarks).

            The screen isn’t my favorite. I much prefered the panel on the previous laptop I had, the Lenovo X220T (and it had a 16hr battery life). Having a portable gaming system again is kind of nice, even with the flaws that come along with such a design.

            Anyway, the point was gaming PCs are no longer in the 2-3 grand playground. You can get a gaming machine capable of playing anything released with settings on medium-high (with medium being much higher then current gen console settings) and have a great time. And as I was pointing out, you could even do it for less then a grand on a laptop!

            It doesn’t matter anyway. Everyone who buys one of the new consoles is simply buying a custom proprietary PC with a locked-up closed down OS whose entire design will revolve around emptying your pockets as efficiently as possible. Ill be interested to see how quickly the emulators arrive since they will have so little to actually emulate!

          • Oliver Davis

            I will agree, the Laptop you have is very powerful, for a laptop. The problem with the AMD module design is the shared resources but as the chips are clocked slow they shouldnt be bottlenecking at the shared resources any more.

            Very good point on the latency of the GDDR5 Ram also.

            I am sorry for effectively slating your laptop. It is a good laptop, specially for gaming, just it will not out perform next gen consoles.

            If we are very lucky, towards the end of the life of the PS4 and the XOne we will be able to install Windows on to them, Linux definitely. It will make a great SteamBox or just a good media centre!

      • Digitaldreamer7

        You can build a PC based on the sam (ish) APU for 400…. a 500 PC with a separate GPU and CPU will tear this new console gen up.

        • Oliver Davis

          But with half the cores! But double the core speed!

          • Digitaldreamer7

            and and and… It doesn’t lock you out of your PC if it doesn’t phone home every 24 hours

          • shawn m

            That is like arguing how the memory is setup on the xbox vs the ps4. It gets half the, memory, nearly for games but has faster memory for the direct computational stuff.
            Unless the software actually uses or needs the extra cores they go to waste. Raw up front speed is an easier measuring stick, but doesn’t tell the whole story. This is why folks can still get away with dual core chips playing current gen games (most games only utilize 1 core/thread).

      • Alex Pelletier

        Right, and people forget that PC developers must develop their games with a min spec in mind. No developers focus solely on high end hardware. PCs are general purpose machines, gaming machines have and will always set the standard for graphics quality. Games might look slightly better on PC toward the end of a console generation but the true leaps come with the new gens.

        • Robert Hudson

          Great point, Also when developing a PC game you have to write code that can use both AMD and Intel chips, Both ATI and NVIDIA chips, it has to run on Windows XP/Vista/7/8(32 or 64bit) and be scalable. The point is this is all very time consuming and costly.

          When they design games for consoles, they know exactly what is in it and how it performs with each piece of the Pie this allows them to be way more efficient in the coding of the game and squeeze a lot more power out of the slower hardware.
          PC hardware is much faster and more powerful but when it comes to gaming it is nowhere near as efficient as consule gaming that is why Consules will always have the cost advantage and PC will always have deversity advantage.

      • RuinedXJake

        you can get an amd phenom or fx computer with mouse and keyboard and upgrade your graphics card to a 7870 or 7850OC for around $850. And if you don’t have a tv, monitors are so much cheaper! This is if you do it yourself of course because you’d be paying capital otherwise.

      • Simsam2

        Omg! You miss all the Total Wars!! Being poor looks worst than I imagined =$

    • http://twitter.com/TomCinmidlife Tom

      “I guess my big question is why do I need one of these? When the PS3
      came out the graphics were pretty amazing compared to a mid-range PC.”

      Not true and the PS3 was only marginally more powerful than the 360. When you play on a TV, which tends to be large, one isn’t going to notice the lo-res textures while playing since the texture consistency is across the screen, unless they really stop to look. A better comparison would be looking at PS2 games compared to PS3 games. While there are some games that do look really nice, the AA is almost non-existent, else the games would crawl along in frame-rates. Example, I can play games on my 52″ Samsung at it’s native max resolution of 1080p, even with a controller. I played Fallout 3 (as one example) using my PC version and used my 360 (yes I bought both since I got Fallout 3 on the 360 before I got this PC, my previous PC wouldn’t run it). I can tell you it was night and day with the resolutions without the mods. With the mods was off the wall. Personally though, playing PC games in front of my 24″ monitor is better :).

      “But if these new consoles are using x86 architecture then all the games
      made for them should run on PCs without the need to recompile.”

      Honestly, that was never an issue with the 360 anyway, but yes it will be easier with the Xbox One considering it is based on Windows. Many games today, as opposed to years back, are ported to PC now. I don’t like it, but the modding community makes the graphics and gameplay much better. Example, Skyrim was a clear console port to PC, but the mods are off the charts with increased resolution, plus the PC version allows for console commands.

      “I guess I’m having a hard time figuring out how these are different from
      a PC, except for branding. Maybe I’m not understanding something…”

      The difference is that a mid-level PC will still out-perform these consoles. While the Xbox One and PS4 will definitely afford higher resolutions than the PS3 and 360 along with better performance, it’s only because the TVs will still be using the 1080P standard while they are using much more powerful hardware, they will look good. PCs don’t have that limitation to just using 1080p, they are now hitting 4K resolutions already (3840×2160 which is 4x 1920x1080p). A decent mid-range PC today would run 2x the 1080p setting.

      Having said that, my quad core i7-950 with my 2x Radeon 5870s in crossfire still kills these new consoles by a mile and my PC is 3.5 years old now. Running @1920×1200 resolution with 8xAA and 16XAF @60FPS with ultra res mods. I used to play consoles (Xbox and Xbox360) a great deal up to Modern Warfare (I am primarily an RPG freak), but shooters didn’t evolve, they all wanted to be MW and I went back to PC. If these newer consoles would allow save game editors and modding tools for RPGs in single payer mode only, I’d probably go back since the looks of the game graphics are getting better. Will wait and see what games they offer whether I buy into tit or not.

      • shawn m

        Resolution issues become more apparent the larger the screen is and the closer the viewer is.

    • Xellion

      this IS a PC, it just has a lot less options.

      its like a gimped car.

      the plus side are game titles that you cant get anywhere else, besides that its obviously not worth it if you know your way around a keyboard.

    • Marlon Pineda

      That’s exactly my thought..but the odd things about it, is, the consoles have been slowing down PC development and bringing it to a cripple with exclusive rights on any titles that sound remotely interesting, not to mention, developers rather go where less pirating is occurring and that is on the console front. There’s also a 3rd element. Developers are now affecting the way they maximize for PC games, since, they have little time to work with. So, they design an engine/ game based on a happy-medium and one that require the least amount of work possible to get them to work on all platforms…so, they give the PC version an extra effect or two, expand the level size and add higher resolution maps and call it a day…when, in all reality, PC’s are a completely different beast and should be turning out CG movies by now. Why is it Killzone on PS4 looks better than anything we have seen on PC? When, PC has the hardware to turn 20 times that? I’m running a 4.6ghz, 8 core setup with two AMD 6970’s and 16GB of RAM and yet, the best I can attain, is what the console already has, but with more anti-aliasing and bigger levels, and higher resolution maps…woohoo! 1k+ well spent! I’ve been running this setup for nearly two years and I have not seen any amazing PC games. Amazing PC games that pushed PC architecture, died after Crysis 1 in 2007. Everyone despises the name of the title now because Crysis became the foundation of PC expectation and the thing at which all future PC games were measured against, but the fact of the matter is that it is the truth.

    • TheGlobalizer

      Some people just don’t want to arse around with a computer. I used to build my own PCs as a teenager but now I like being able to just hit a couple of buttons and play a game, and have MS update the OS from time to time. I have a work laptop and iPad for the more traditional PC needs, which are quite limited for me.

      • crazypete1

        Fair enough.

    • Rocky DeHart

      The difference is the PS4 will likely have less gaming glitches due to a standardized specification. Also pirating is harder on PS4. But the main thing is you NEVER have to worry about your console’s internals, every game works on your machine. Then again it doesn’t really matter about the console’s, in the end it’s the games I enjoy.

      • crazypete1

        True.

    • Sunset Rider

      For all the people saying that a PC would stomp all over these new consoles, show me a PC build with an octa-core processor, Radeon 7870 GPU, 8 GB DDR5 RAM, 500 GB hard drive, and a full OS (not a free one like Ubuntu) for $400.

      Do it. I dare you.

      • crazypete1

        You can do it for ~ $600 but I think you are missing the point. Many people already have a PC with specs equal or greater than these systems. My question is, as one of these people with an $800 computer used for many things, why would I spend another $400 for a console?

        • PhilVoid

          Fair point. Until you have others in the same household, vying for time on that computer as well. I’ve never heard, “Hurry up dad, I need to write my report for school tomorrow,” when playing on my console.

    • Thomas

      they don’t have to dedicate as much resources to normal computer operations such as anti virus and OS, plus everything (in the PS4’s case i guess) is set up specifically for gaming (the One is set up for TV watching)

      • PhilVoid

        I noticed you omitted the word “specifically” when referring to Xbox One and TV watching. Clever.

    • David King

      Nothing will change….except the developers will make more money on the PC versions.

      They will develop for the consoles first since this is where they make the most money. Since both are X86 and using almost the same hardware it will be easier to make games now. It will also be a lot easier to port to the PC. Overall development costs should go down and profits up. Games for the most part will be consoles first then port the big name games to PC.

      I think this could impact PC gaming like the last generation did. If the games look /play a lot better (BF4 with 64 player console games) then some will ditch their PC to go console because they are “good enough”. I am in that boat as my PC only lives to play games. My main computer is a Macbook and I use a iPad/smartphone as well. Windows is dead to me now with Windows 8.

    • Aaron Barnes

      just because it is x86 architecture doesn’t mean it will port over easily to the pc. it all comes down to how the files are read and recompiled and a whole lot more mumbo jumbo

    • RuinedXJake

      if your eyes will hurt, just read the summary at the bottem…

      Sony and Microsoft won’t make any money, so they want people to think that their gaming is better. I have a custom built pc and I get windows (7) errors all the time unfortunately, so having a stable OS is why I use xbox (and some ps3) but also I want to see this on these new consoles. back to your question, all I know is deadrising was said to be exclusive to xbone.. why would they do that? They’ve made the other games for PC too. I guess to make money. Pc gamers only account for so little of their capital, that I think they aren’t even going to give us an option for pc games. Now obviously it’s developers who make most of the games, not nearly always microsoft, so why would it matter to the developers? Well that’s the real question, because if we were forced to buy a console, microsoft gets the dough, not necessarily any other developer. Before you jump to a conspiracy theory, I think there is definitely some repackaging for every non-exclusive game, but microsoft is getting greedier, rather than looking at what you are saying, the architectural similarities. PC games are the easiest to build though, so this worries me too. Maybe even the developers focus on packaging an xbox game and ps3 game before they bother retouching on the original pc version (aka resident evil 6). OK BACK TO YOUR QUESTION. Your question is right, the architecture is getting more similar to the pc, despite the fact that their processors are really slow (apu is why), so they shouldn’t be making exclusives. Now it sounds to me like exclusive games don’t even become relevant, and 3rd party developers will make the games for all platforms, (maybe not mac). Obviously this wont stop microsoft studios from staying exclusive, but hey even some of those games will be on PC! (state of decay). You should expect less and less titles for both platforms to be on pc because they want you to buy their product. HOWEVER microsoft jumped the gun with 15 exclusive titles and they are just doing this for money, greedy people.

      to sum it up, I believe that sony and microsoft are saying that since their structure is more like a pc and the graphics capabilities are more powerful than modern pc’s, that you should buy their product, because it is more stable and simple. I am against this however because the xbone will have a radeon 7790 equivalence in the apu and my pc is 7850OC. the ps3 will be 7870 equivalent apu which is about the same apu and this makes me happier for ps4. Also I want a system solely controlled by a controler, no keyboard or mouse, that way on a tv across the room, I dont have to use a mouse on my couch or whatever. I need it to be set up for me, so I can easily “jump in” microsoft would say

      • PhilVoid

        You posit so many preconceived notions “Sony and Microsoft won’t make any money” “PC games are the easiest to build though,” as a known. And then continue to build upon them, as if they were fact. I question those initial assertions, prior to continuing any further into your logic stream.
        I first noticed this form of presupposition years back, in a commercial for an antacid. “Gas pain is like beer bubbles…” Once established, they showed how their product reduced bubbles in beer. They effectively sidestepped the question as to how effective that product was on actual gas pain. Slight of hand redirection, clever marketing, or accidental circumstance. We all ‘market’ our thoughts and opinions to others, daily. Sometimes, we use tactics consciously or subconsciously to assure success.

    • RuinedXJake

      You want a next gen console for the tv across the room. otherwise, they want to make you buy them for the exclusive titles. If you can live without DR3 and halo 5, then just play them at your friends house when he/she gets them. The architectural similarities make the system more appealing to pc gamers, because it is more similar to what they are used to

    • Ironmanxrs2

      You are missing something. I think you should consider that these are custom APUs and will provide a unified online presence you won’t find on PC. XBOX Live is an ecosystem on its own with friends requests cross game as well as chat. The experience is unified and the programmers can squeeze every bit of juice from the system because they know EXACTLY what hardware you have.

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    • traviserck

      “I guess I’m having a hard time figuring out how these are different from a PC”

      A PC today is already far more powerful than either the PS4 or Xbox One. That’s fact. But where the difference are mostly in the OS and architecture. MS uses Direct X for gaming on the PC. So it’s HIGHLY likely for the Xbox One it will be the same set of developer SDK tools (but modified for HSL) and the difference wilil be how the SDK takes advantage of the architecture in the Xbox One. Since it is inheritently not the same as a PC (meaning Xbox uses HSL and PC doesn’t) the same GPU’s in a PC vs the console debate the advantage here is going to go to the console since HSL uses 1/2 the graphic memory and system memory that will be required for a PC to use. The key here is the APU which the SDK is optimized for. They MUST recompile the code since the architecture is different and significantly. On a PC not everyone is using an APU so they have to consider on the PC side of it optmized code for APU (HSL tech which is how memory is used) and that is very LARGE difference. Since it is cost prohibitive on the PC too have code for an APU (HSL) and code for standard multi core setups the PC most likely will loose support for APU’s and the code will be recompile for a PC standard setup with a multi core CPU. Albeit a stand alone GPU is more powerful the HSL architecture makes the console production far cheaper since you need less memory with HSL architecture. So the difference is quite big not as insignificant as you think. But yes the basic architecture is X86 but its how the memory is used between the two that is VASTLY different. Stand alone GPU’s will always be more powerful than the APU/CPU combo. But has they not gone down the road of using APU’s then these consoles would have been much more expensive since they would require more system memory and graphics memory. In as standard PC it’s not efficient but more powerful in the end. In these current gen console and PC’s using APU’s they are more cost effective since memory usage is less. Look up HSL white papers it explains it all. But it doesn’t mean it’s just like a PC. The way memory is used and shared is enitrely different both requiring two different SDK kits. So it’s not as cut and dry as you think. But it’s most definitely easier to port between the two. I expect the time to port will be significantly be cut short and consoles can enjnoy the benefits of being efficient and as reasonable quick with the same GPU. But they wont’ be faster. Overall the advantage goes to the APU where cost is concerned. Otherwise you’d be paying well over 600 for each of those consoles. It’s win for MS and Sony. And a bigger win for you. And a wiin for PC users waiting for a port. In fact its plausible that PC users wouldn’t need to be waiting much at all for the port since it is X86 arcitecture. But the SDK’s as I said would be vastly different since the architecture of how the memory is used is VASTLY different so a recompile is totally required and no it would not be able to run on the PC as you said. It will require it and HSL is why. Go read up on that it’s totally interesting. No more wasting memory and it allows the system memory to be used as graphics memory or OS. Kinda cool if you think about it since PC’s wihtout APU’s must have them seperaate and managed. HSL is simple. It’s shared memory available to all no copying and duplicating and wasting that precious resource. But yes it comes at a performance hit on a console. The spped advantage does go to the PC since the memory is seperate but the same game on a PC will require more memory as opposed to the console running the same game. There’s your difference.

      Sony doesn’t use Direct X which hasn’t been around for years. So my guess is it is going to require slighly higher specs to run. MS has had DX for years and has got that very well optimized at this point. But marketing papers show the PS4 advantage on hardware. When it come to real world gaming I’ll lay the money down the Xbox will come out ahead since it has a proven and sound SDK that’s been around for a long time and the Xbox SDK is going to be highly optimized for HSL and the embedded ram. IF not ahead they are going to be head to head. So if your buying a PS4 thinking its going to smoke it……………….think again. they will be very close indeed since MS has got the solid grounding on HSL in the DX code already. Sony is the new comer on this one.

    • oddvintagetaco

      Naughty Dog.

    • Dozerman

      How dare you question the authority of the console gods??? Consoles are just bettur.

    • massau

      don’t forget that they need to change the controls from controller to mouse, keyboard , this breaks a lot of games.

      they also have a costum OS and they can program to the bare metal because all the hardware is the same. while they couldn’t do that on the pc because of

      nvidias gpu and older ati gpu’s.

    • Aser1234

      They have unique skins and social features, plus Xbox One has cable with it. Otherwise, yes, the Xbox One and PS4 resemble the absolute lowest end Gaming PCs, or midrange laptops.

    • Nathan Trumper

      a PC, even a gaming one, such as the 4 I own, are not consoles, a PC can do way more than a console hands down… but, u want a ps4 or xbox one because for 400-500 bucks, ur getting an amazing piece of hardware, I dropped 3k on my gaming laptop and though it is better than both of the systems, for 400-500 dollars in comparison, it makes me look like an ass. You dont know me, but trust me, you want one of them if not both of them. I would say buy PS4 now, wait a year to get the xbox one. Microsoft got caught with there pants down in my opinion, and just theough something together to compeat with sony. On top of the VR “virtual reality” is gunna be big in the next year or so, and aony claims to have the best, better than the oculas rift, one of the best VR headsets being developed right now. Trust me, buy PS4, you wont be disapointed. These consoles might be built like a PC, but they have the heart of a console.

    • PhilVoid

      I look forward to the day you understand.

    • Anthony Caldwell

      Some games that consoles put out as “not available on PC” can still be played on a PC just gotta use a emu. Just remember this: A $600 console is still not going to be as powerful or capable as that of a $600 PC. For one example 8gb of RAM…A lot of people are in the 16gb to 32gb range right now as the norm on a PC. The consoles can use the 1 GPU and nothing more PC’s can use up to 3 and in extreme cases 4 graphics cards….and even 2 $75 graphics cards are going to out power both of these consoles. I just find it very surprising that people just keep throwing money away on these box’s. Oh FYI Steam is coming out with a “box” of their own that does let you use your current games. Save your money, when this happens the PS4 and the XO are going to be seriously dropping in $$$

    • Shahnewaz Maqbul Ahmed

      They aren’t much different from a PC system. Yes, porting should be a lot easier now and there should be more games for PC (except exclusives…).

    • Chandler Broderick

      There is only one deciding factor that makes pc superior. New technology comes out just about every year for pc, so you can improve your computer’s performance whenever you feel like it. If you aren’t a tinkerer or don’t care too much about superior fps controls or graphics, you should be fine with a console. For me though, I prefer to know my computer like I would know an actual person, when you can open it up and create it to be whatever you need it to be, you begin to feel a connection to the machine

  • Phobos

    If most of the work is done by the gpu what’s the need for a superior cpu? If the cpu is more than capable to do the job, it should be alright then.
    Chojin, cheap APU’S are taking over!

    • chojin999

      You can’t run everything on the GPU.

      All the work done on the GPU it’s a marketing lie.

      And publishers will just recompile their standard PC x86/x64 code with the XBox720 and PS4 own libraries and encrypt for DRM and that’s it.

      No optimizations for sure.

      • Phobos

        Who says you run everything from just the gpu? If the gpu does most of the work. There are a lot of factors to considered but overall the gpu does more work thank the cpu at least on games.

        • http://www.facebook.com/evgeni.bykarskij Evgeni Bykarskij

          Dont forget, GPUs shine at hghly parallel tasks, and almost anything to do with graphics is parallel, as you have a very high number of idetacal taks (like, per pixel).
          Otherwise, if there is little parallelism GPUs suck as they are very, very weak processors compared to CPUs. Their streangth is in their numbers

          • chojin999

            The majority of algorithms don’t run on GPUs. And when parallelized for GPUs it usually means way lower precision than on CPUs.

            For games that trick could work only for some algorithms and it’s not something that can always be acceptable. It depends on the game type and 3D engine quality that needs to be achieved.

            The GPUs can be used to calculate many things yes but it’s not always that wise to.

            In fact although current GPUs seem very advanced with programmable units similar to full DSPs .. well, they are not full DSPs at all. Still missing too many features, proper DSPs are more efficient and faster.

            GPUs consume a lot of power, feature many limited DSP like units and still after so many years can’t perform properly.

            The real GPU revolution could have come from Intel with their Larrabee project for real-time ray-tracing that thanks to shrinked vectorized x86 units could have acted as a network of very fast x86 DSPs. But they dropped the project for GPU and turned it into a powerful series of expensive co-processor cards for High Performance Computing, which still proves being a far better approach than what AMD and Nvidia have to offer for GPGPU tasks but it won’t be available for cheap GPU use.

          • Phobos

            You’re talking out of your ass like always. An example that i7 for all its cpu power can’t not run(and if it does it will barely run it) a damn game without a dedicated video card. And when I mean a game I mean like BF3, COD, Skyrim etc. not angry birds.

          • chojin999

            Go on being rude and arrogant. Foul language is not going to make you sound cool nor right.

            You just sound pathetic.

            You have no clue what you are talking about.

          • dns7950

            I wouldn’t say he’s being rude or arrogant, i’d say he’s probably just frustrated by having to read your retarded comments, just like everyone else. If you think what he said is foul language, you should hear what i’d call you if these comments weren’t moderated.. And has anyone ever told you how stupid it makes you look when all you ever do is parrot whatever people tell you? People tell you that you have no clue what you’re talking about and you sound pathetic, and before long you’re going around saying the same thing about everyone else.. You’re like a toddler who just learned a new phrase and feels the need to go around repeating it..

          • havor

            Have you ever wondered that people how say that your full of shit most of the time only get one downgrade, and only from you!

            And a lot of ups from others.

          • Phobos

            And you know what you are talking about? I laugh at you, again and gain.

          • hawk_97

            My laptop with an i7 and no dedicated graphics runs skyrim just fine :). Makes me wonder why people use consoles…

          • Phobos

            Any proof of that?

          • jjgnc

            But for how long? We all know how long PCs stay relevant.

          • havor

            My BS detector went of AGAIN when reading you comments. ^_^

            = “In fact although current GPUs seem very advanced with programmable units similar to full DSPs .. well, they are not full DSPs at all. Still missing too many features, proper DSPs are more efficient and faster.” =

            Actually the modern GPGPU units in the cards from AMD and nVidia are way more advanced then DSPs.

            Why DSP are often still kicking most GPGPUs butt, is because DSPs are one pony tricks, and are made to do one thing, and do that one thing very well.

            GPGPUs on the other hand can do everything from displaying pritty pictures, till pretty advanced calculations, as long as they are not to complex in OpenCL or CUDA.

  • IneffableCause

    Uhh, the 360 does not have a Cell CPU. That’s always been the PS3’s big disadvantage, Cell is harder to program for than Power PC.

    • http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony

      The Xenon (Xbox 360 CPU) was a Cell chip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor)

      No SPEs in the Xbox 360, though — and they were the hard(er) bit to program. The Xbox 360 probably has a better software tool chain than the PS3, too.

      • IneffableCause

        Proven wrong. Shows how good my memory is.

      • chojin999

        No. It wasn’t anything like the Cell.

        The Cell was an all new design by IBM and Sony with features taken from the expensive IBM Power (not PowerPC) CPUs although using the PowerPC cores.

        • dns7950

          Every time you try and argue with someone you make yourself look like an idiot. Instead of providing facts, links, references or any kind of proof whatsoever, you offer your own misguided opinion and try to pass it off as as fact. You really do sound like a ten year old when you have nothing better than to say than “No. It is not”. I can just picture you sticking your fingers in your ears and going “lalalalala” so you don’t have to listen to people trying to explain why you are wrong. You really are an ignorant fool.

          • Phobos

            There should be a warning on chojins comments, “warning reading chojin’s comments can cause sever lost of neurons, read at your own discretion”

          • havor

            They have my vote if they implement that! ^_^

            But a warning like, “The following comments may contain a lot of BS, dont take it at it face value” would be enough.”.

            Man he never stops spouting his delusional BS, dose he, wonder if he dose it just to Troll, or really believes it, also wonder which of the two is more sadder. o_0

          • dns7950

            I wondered the same thing, but i’m pretty sure he really does believe it.. I think he’s just so stupid he doesn’t even realize how stupid he is… And that is the sadder of the two, at least trolls can be funny…

  • Oren J. Maurice

    You’ve got it wrong… ps3 was based on cell, but xbox 360 wasn’t. It had a much more “normal” triple core cpu made by ibm.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Johnny-Adam-Nilsson/623791741 Johnny-Adam Nilsson

      The cores in the Xbox 360 CPU are sligthly modified versions of the PPE that are in the Cell Processor of the Playstation 3, so yeah it is also a Cell.

      • chojin999

        No. It is not.

        • standard

          Please, feel free to use google, or wikipedia, to find out for yourself that it was, in fact, based on the cell.

  • VirtualMark

    Damn, going by the title of the article, I thought the specs had been released. I don’t understand writing an article the day before the unveil? We’ll know for certain tomorrow.

    Still, it’s kinda fun guessing what it’s going to be called. I hope the new one can play .mkv files too, the media support on the 360 is shite.

  • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

    “So, all in all, an 8-core Jaguar might manage about half the performance of a current-gen Core i7.” Yes if you compare a PC to a PC, but we are comparing a PC to a console right? This is a famous tweet from Carmack:

    “Consoles run 2x or so better than equal PC hardware, but it isn’t just API in the way, focus a single spec also matters.”

    Therefore, the 8-core jaguar on the PS4 will match an i7 on a gaming PC. The same about the graphics card: a Radeon 7870 will perform as a GTX-680 on a PC (1.84 TFLOP x 2).

    Precisely Epic has selected an i7 with a GTX-680 in their PC-PS4 comparisons.

    • http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony

      Yep, that’s a fair comment — and Carmack knows his stuff, of course.

      As I said at the end, the eighth generation of consoles will be very hot when they first come out :)

      • Cai Phillips-Jones

        there are youtube videos of a card that is pretty close to xbox 360’s xenon, the radeon x1900, running crysis and gta 4 decently with fraps. I don’t see evidence that the previous generation’s gpus were utilized twice as well on consoles, even in recent games.

    • crazypete1

      That tweet was from a while ago though. The old consoles were built very
      purpose-specific: they were there to run games. Everything about them was
      designed to run the games in the most efficient way possible.

      Now that we have moved to an x86 instruction set I would argue that the assumptions Carmack based his comment on have shifted significantly. The x86 chips are jack-of-all-trades processors, as are the basic APUs that these systems are based on. Some game-centric tweaking appears to have been done, but simply retooling existing models may not yield the 2 X difference seen previously.

      It was also difficult previously to compare apples to apples because the games required a significant recompile/ code optimization (and recoding as well) to port them to PCs –and often this was done without as much care as the original due to the reduced market for the PC. You will still need to recompile based on OS, but the jump will be much smaller and we may find that the performance gap tightens considerably.

      Of course I could be wrong… we’ll see shortly I assume…

      • VirtualMark

        Yeah I always hated console ports, they were rarely done right.

      • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

        Carmack is mentioning the DX API overhead of PCs. That has not changed because we still have DX11. The overhead on a PC with windows has nothing to do with the architecture of the cpu on a console. The new consoles are also built for a very purpose-specific: run games in the most efficient way possible. Think of them as a machine much more specialised than a gaming PC to run games.
        For the sake of completness I am adding what Lottes (Nvidia developer) wrote a pair of months ago (he also mention Windows API bloatness):

        “The real reason to get excited about a PS4 is what Sony as a company
        does with the OS and system libraries as a platform, and what this
        enables 1st party studios to do, when they make PS4-only games. If PS4
        has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU,
        then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply
        because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this won’t happen
        right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this
        will be the case. As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend
        most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with
        the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont
        provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls
        on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM
        style API.”

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham

          The PS4 and the new Xbox are going to use DirectX. The Wii U uses OpenGL. Does this means that the Wii U is going to be better (for a while) because of better access to the GPU than the competitors?

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            The PS4 will use an improved version of DX11 for compatibility with PC but will also provide a lightweight API plus API-free access to hardware (read what Lottes write about “PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC”). The Xbox will also provide a customized version of DirectX (not available on PCs) with special functions that will allow for something similar to the close-to-metal approach for increasing efficiency and performance.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham

            It is one of those moments when you can’t help but think why Sony is runnind DirectX on their PS4 since MS doesn’t play nice with the competition unless there’s something really nasty happening behind closed doors.

            Maybe it’s all about making it easier to port games between these two consoles. Or something Gabe Newell said about how sluggish DirectX is compared to OpenGL.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            As said above I think is all about compatibility. Most game developers uses DX and, thus, there are lots of legacy code using DX. By providing DX support on the PS4, Sony guarantees that game developers can reuse code and port games to/from PC. Instead wasting time and resources on re-coding, develoleprs can spend time and resources on improving visuals and gameplay.

          • crazypete1

            So really we are paying for the OS more than anything else. What we need is a bare metal hypervisor that we can then choose to run an OS optimized for gaming only. Maybe Steam should develop a gaming only OS that we can run from Hyper –V or Xen.

          • shawn m

            The point is, they will still ahve an overhead that say the SNES didnt have to carry around for example. The xbox one is carrying a lot of baggage around with how it is split between the media center stuff, OS, and gaming. Sure suspended states and direct to metal coding helps, but by the time these things roll out the next gen of PC architecture is already in the works and the current power of the consoles is less than high end of the current generation. Hell, i’m not sure what the point is since most software for entertainment barely even uses what we have now in most instances. We’re lucky when we get over 50% utilization of what is bolted and soldered on without tacking on extra features like multi tasking, multi screens, and 3d.

        • crazypete1

          So this may be a very naïve question but now that we are running on an x86 architecture would it be possible to port Sony’s OS to a PC? I suppose it would have to be pretty similar to the PS4 in terms of hardware for that to work. Maybe it would have to be exactly the same in which case you are really just building a PS4 anyway….

    • Gamer96

      yea 200% better my ass that number is made up because he is licking the balls of console users

  • Souldestoyer

    This article is wrong in so many places I had to stop reading.

    The author clearly has no clue.

    • Phobos

      I just don’t get it what was sooo special about the cell in the ps3?? at the end of the day what matters is the software not the hardware. The hardware is fine.

  • Scrublord

    Pc games will look better in a few years?

    Wrong, they already look better, UE4 already was superior running on a PC compared to a PS4.

    • Guest

      Yeah sure fine — go ahead and spend what will be 1200+ absolute minimum when you can get close enough performance for what will probably be around 1/3 the price. With exclusives.

      • GatzLoc

        Um, fx something is $100x, mobo is 100, case is 50, psu is 50, ram is 30, gpu is 2-300.

        So bit more, but you can re-use parts, or buy used and that drops everything by half.

        So you can realistically get a better pc for the same or less, and spend the difference on steam sales. And you save $60 a year. :P

        • Chaoshunter587 .

          psn doesn’t cost $60 a year XD.

          and if you were gonna spend that much money on a pc, than that pc sounds mighty shit, kinda like a netbook.

          • Phobos

            he forgot the os another $100 and a hdd $60-100, yeah much cheaper than a console. Oh yeah I almost forgot, why would you want to spend $200-300 on a video card with a $100 cpu? ram for $30? so you only want 4GB for a pc? Get real if you want a decent pc spend at least $600-800.

          • GatzLoc

            If you pay for an os, and pay $30 for 8gb ram I say nothing.

            I assume people have atleast something, as almost everyone has a computer.

            You can recycle so many things, You should spend more but you don’t have to. You can beat a console for less. That’s been true for awhile, especially if you know how to use kijiji, ebay, and amazon and go used.

            I know I seem ‘stupid’ and I guess with a new gen it isn’t as true as it is later on, like the 8800gt wiping the 360 for $180 like it was a few years ago, but w.e

            Include the HDTV you have to buy too, troll. :P

          • Phobos

            recycling some parts can only take you so far. The 8800gt wiping the 360? not by much. relax mini troll you can always use crt and save some $$$

          • webduelist

            8800gt BF3 1080p @ 60fps, 360 720p @ 25-30 fps

      • shawn m

        The difference is that he would have spent that 1-3 years ago and have been using it this whole time.

  • THE TRUTH

    The launch of the next-gen consoles are unimpressive compared to the launch of the current-gen consoles:

    The $500 to $600 PS3 launched in 2006 and performed on par with the best PCs. The Cell processor had a floating performance of 1.84 teraflops per second. The cell processor alone was valued at $1000 in 2006. The graphics card was similar to a nVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX which would have cost $200 in 2006. Total cost in terms of performance power for CPU + GPU = $1200

    The $430 to $530 PS4 will launch in 2013 and perform on par with the midrange PCs. The AMD APU (CPU + GPU) processor has a floating performance of 1.84 teraflops per second. This means the Cell processor was a better CPU than the AMD APU because the 1.84 teraflops includes the computation done by the GPU. More importantly the 8 core AMD APU at 1.6 GHz is equivalent to a 4 core AMD 3.6GHz processor which computes roughtly at 1.8 teraflops per second. The cost of a 4 core AMD 3.6GHz processor is $105. The cost of an AMD HD 7850 is $200. Total cost in terms of performance power for CPU + GPU = $305.

    Conclusion the next-gen consoles will have a low end CPU and midrange GPU. Also Sony will be profiting off their consoles on day 1.

    If every 7 years people are going to buy a PS4 (~$430) and a PC ($400) for home or school use. Why not just built or buy a gaming PC. For $750 you can build a PC with an AMD Radeon HD 7850 which has the same performance as a PS4 or $830 build a PC with an AMD Radeon HD 7950 which is more powerful than the PS4 or buy a prebuilt PC for $830 with an AMD Radeon HD 7850 which has the same performance as a PS4. Also most PC games a backwards compatible and cost $5 for a digital download during sales.

    Conclusion people should not buy consoles unless PS4 cost $300 for PC builders or $430 for prebuilt PCs on day 1.

    • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

      I have read lots of misinformation about the PS4 on internet. It seems that some people has not still digest the fact that AMD won the contracts for both the PS4 and the next Xbox. Moreover, when I read someone labelling himself as THE TRUTH I prepare myself, as a rule of dumb, for reading lots of misinformation and even lies. Your claim that Cell processor on PS3 has “1.84 teraflops per second” did me laugh a lot of. Now you only need join with chojin and call the FBI for denouncing what he consider is a scam/fraud at planetary level. Good luck!

      • Phobos

        They keep forgetting that consoles only play games, so the hardware built into the consoles is perfectly fine. It should last longer. Any good example of what the cell cpu can do in a game?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham
          • Ace Korneya

            Yeah…. that was drop a long time ago by sony..its not possible anymore…

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham

            I know. It was good PR for touting how powerful the Cell was back then BUT back then they were selling the console at a steep loss and since the only ones who could easily afford them weren’t buying them for the games..

          • Phobos

            that cell didn’t offer anything special that the 360 couldn’t do. Only a steep price.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham

            It couldn’t do anything special due to how little RAM it had. Had that thing carried more or had a unified one like the Xbox360 that would have changed things way more.

          • Phobos

            Even so it should show something at least, but it didn’t.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1223563048 Angel Ham

            Apart from IBM making a supercomputer out of them and AMD chips?

        • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

          Yes, consoles have hardware and software optimized for gaming.

        • http://www.facebook.com/saren.bonacker Saren Bonacker

          You keep forgetting that consoles havent “only played games” in almost a decade.

          • Phobos

            so what’s your point?

  • Thom Frost

    can we be seeing the end of the dedicated console gaming system’s and everything moving to pc hardware with a dedicated os?
    could we soon be seeing a dedicated card that you add to your pc that will let you play ps4 and xbox 720 games?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1363021071 Calvin Garcia

    consoles will all ways be way behide pc gaming pc’s give birth to games so much more a pc can do in real time gaming more eye candy more clear more real things look consoles use mobile gpu’s laptops that is my gpu in my pc has 2048 Stream Processors
    4.3 Billion Transistors of Pure Performance
    my pc will be good for years to come but consoles age in 3-5 year old when my gpu gets old il upgrade it that be in like 10 years

  • bafrayd

    “Likewise, games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.”

    NOT.

    Inferior hardware/inferior graphics. These new consoles are already far outdated in terms of GPU performance, and they will not go on sale until the end of 2013.

  • EasyEEE

    Infinity? With Disney Infinity coming out in August? Something tells me, no…

  • THE TRUTH
    • Fybre0ptix

      Have you OCd the processor?

  • Fybre0ptix

    “Likewise, games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.” Too bad the Unreal Engine 4 tech demo looks better on PC than it does on the PS4 already. And before you tell me that they look the same: no, throughout the whole thing you can see the PC looks better. It becomes extremely apparent when the doors burst open and the wind rushes in. The particles look terrible on the PS4 version compared to the PC.

    • NiggggersAreScum

      Who cares? Looks aren’t really that important because the PS4 looks great and the controller is amazing

      • Fybre0ptix

        ^0/10 troll.

      • Fybre0ptix

        0/10.

  • http://hector-macias.blogspot.com Hector Macias Ayala

    The tech comparison is naive, for the sole point of not taking into account console games are coded in a much more optimized way than their PC counterparts, which on the other side, are to deal with endless problems, and usually require a lot more computing power, but dont deliver that much more in terms of playability and visuals.

    A gap that grows smaller as time passes, anyway.

  • Chaoshunter587 .

    the guy who wrote the articles says that both ps3 and Xbox 360 had cell processors.

    yet it was only ps3 with the beast 3.2ghz 7 core.

    Xbox had a xenon triple core 3.2ghz processor.

    He also wrote that both ps4 and the next box 720 degrees Celsius were gonna focus more as a media entertainment box rather then gaming.

    Wrong again, only the Xbox will focus as an entertainment media box.

    Sony has clearly stated that ps4 will be a gaming machine at heart designed just for games.

    The media features are just a bonus on the ps4.

    call me a Sony Fan boy but i’m just stating the facts.
    The thing about the author of this article is that he barely knows what he’s writing about.

  • ya right

    I fear that gta v will be the last game I ever buy

  • ya right

    I fear that gta v will be the last game I ever buy

  • Chaoshunter587 .

    last thing

    xbox 360 wasn’t cell

    Dumb asses who think otherwise

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_hardware#Central_processing_unit

    also if you look at

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_%28processor%29

    it says “These cores are slightly modified versions of the PPE in the Cell processor used on the PlayStation 3″

    If you idiots can read, then it says that the cores of the Xbox 360 are modified versions of the PPE in the cell processor.

    IT DOES NOT MEAN ITS A CELL PROCESSOR IT JUST MEANS THAT ITS CORES ARE MODIFIED FROM THE PPE USED IN THE CELL PROCESSOR

    besides the xbox 360 doesn”t have any spu’s or SPE’s like in the ps3 and other cell processors

    • crazypete1

      You seem to get very worked up about semantics. Do you you also yell at people who call a “couch” a “chesterfield”? It must be exhausting for you to go through life spending massive amounts of time and energy yelling about things that are simple semantic differences. Oh well, as longs as you’re having fun.

      • Randall Nelson

        Well he has a point. that bugged me too. its more like talking about cars, acting like you’re some sort of authority and than calling it a Dodge mustang with a Hemi inside. When it’s actually a 5.0 mustang.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.olson.184007 Robert Olson

    well you aren’t going to out preform the servers that are handling the information. so to keep the cost down by not upgrading the serves it allow for better security. they are selling new hardware not for you. its for the servers handling the games.. that is all. Microsoft already said this is the last xbox they’ll make. The new hardware will also monitor your imputes and impulses. think of the new xbox 720 as Facebook on steroids.. Facebook is the key to over coming apple..

  • Guest

    what about the wii u?

  • http://twitter.com/TheBlackHand2 The Black Hand

    The 360 used an IBM PowerPC CPU, NOT a CELL. That Sony’s propietary PS3 CPU.

  • warcaster

    6x the graphics at the same 720p resolution. I mean most games on the current consoles aren’t at 1080p right? So if most on PS4 and xbox720 will be at 1080p, then the graphics will only improve by 3x, since it’s powering 2x the pixels.

  • Lance Colton

    “games will probably look better on consoles for a few years”

    ummmm, no, unless you are talking about $500 PCs or something. They might be able to keep up with a PC but they’re not going to magically look better. Plus, we don’t know how bloated the “OS” is going to be on the new xbox or PS3, they might lose their advantage of not having windows if they load it up with too much fancy background stuff for the new dashboards.

    • PC WON

      PS4 = $700 custom built PC in terms of equivalent gaming performance
      Xbox One = $670 custom built PC in terms of equivalent gaming performance
      If every 7 years people are going to buy a PS4 (~$430) and a PC ($400) for home or school use. Why not just built or buy a gaming PC. For $750 you can build a PC with an AMD Radeon HD 7850 which has the same performance as a PS4 or $830 build a PC with an AMD Radeon HD 7950 which is more powerful than the PS4 or buy a prebuilt PC for $830 with an AMD Radeon HD 7850 which has the same performance as a PS4. Also most PC games are backwards compatible and cost $5 for a digital download during sales.
      Conclusion: people should not consider buying consoles unless the PS4 cost less than $350 for PC builders or less than $430 for prebuilt PCs on day 1.

  • Tarthus

    Why do you continue to call it the Xbox 720?

    • WatDah

      Exactly my first thought!

      • PC WON

        because that’s the resolution the Xbox One will use

        • standard

          That’s why I’ve gone back to calling it xbox720.
          Everyone joked before the official name of xbone since 360 x 2 is 720, and now we can joke because all the games run at 720 while the competition runs higher.

  • Sam

    For “Oldest”
    The difference is not only branding, but also making the system and hardware much cheaper since its mass produced rather than building it yourself.
    A console with the specs of the XBOX ONE is close to a pc you could build for around $700 if your being stingy.
    The PS4 however is comparable to a pc close to around $900, excluding its rather interesting GDDR5 Ram its sporting.
    And yes its x86 architecture will make it possible for pc exclusives and ps4 exclusives alike, to be ported back and forth without any serious modifications to the source code on the dev’s part making the party much bigger for both customer and developers.

  • Chris Potter

    [quote] With the Xbox 360 and PS3, both consoles had a monstrous Cell-based CPU[/quote]

    False…

    The 360 had a 3 core 800mhz processor…

    • Avatar28

      If you’re going to call out someone else for incorrect information, you should probably make sure that YOUR information is correct..

      The Xenon CPU in the 360 has a 3-core CPU running at 3.2 GHz. I have no idea where you got 800 MHz from.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor)#Specifications

      • http://www.facebook.com/brownieestrada Nick Estrada

        before you call someones info out dont use wikipedia as a source, use offical information

        • Randall Nelson

          At least his info is correct. Wiki also has sources at the bottom to, if you have a problem with wiki look at those sources.

  • Dan Wendell

    Will these boxes be able to handle 4K (3840×2160 or 4096×2160)? I would think Sony would want to push a 4K capable game system so they can sell 4K TVs.

  • RoadShow

    isn’t it GDDR3 ram too and not 5 like PS4? All the good news is still in Sony’s court.

  • http://twitter.com/Senor_Alejandro ¡Alejandrö!

    I can honestly say, I’m not impressed with either console. Sure, they have their perks here and there, but they don’t seem like a huge upgrade from the predecessors. Maybe it’s just me.

    • PC WON

      8 core AMD processor at 1.6 GHz is weak sauce and is equivalent to a $100 4 core AMD CPU at 3.6 GHz in terms of floating point performance. When PS3 was released it had the Cell processor at 3.2 GHz and was equivalent to a $1000 processors in terms of floating point performance.

      • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

        The 8×1 core AMD CPU on the PS4 gives 102.4 GFLOP (assuming it is clocked @ 1.6 GHz). The expensive 4×2 core Intel i7-3770k gives 112 GFLOP. But the CPU from AMD has HSA which implies it can peak beyond those 102.4 GFLOP when assisted by the GPU cores. Intel lacks this next-gen technology.

        • chojin999

          What are you talking about ? On par with an Intel i7-3770K in your dreams.. not in the real world.

          If that was ever true AMD wouldn’t have been almost gone bankrupt and Intel wouldn’t be selling so many CPUs.

          Benchmarks here show that AMD APU is slower than Intel Core i3.
          The new AMD APU version on PS4 and XBoxOne it’s not going to be 3 times faster. No matter how much the marketing lies.

          http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=159069

          • Phobos

            Are you high or something? they trade blows.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            Data I have given is found in many technical places (it is not Sony marketing). Your benchmarks are not about the PS4 8-core custom chip neither measure GFLOPs. However, your data still shows how a 4×1 core Kabini @ 2 GHz beats a 2×2 i3 @ 2.5 GHz. Kabini gets a 840.7 score whereas the i3 only 749.6.

        • Gamer96

          OMG console fan boy does not give up yes pc gaming will be superior to next gen consoles pc gaming has always been ahead The last gen of consoles were supposed to be superior to gaming pc’s but that didn’t last long did it?

  • Vulcanproject

    Please Freakin listen to the technical stream that was on after the conference. The GPU in this machine is quite a ways inferior to ps4’s. Did nobody else watch it? He clearly stated it is a 768 thread GPU as was leaked a while back, a 12 CU part that will get its arse handed to it by ps4’s 18 CU part with 50 percent more ‘threads’ 1152 to be precise by way of ps4’s vastly superior memory bandwidth. Yes, that’s right. The key component is the GPU and ps4 strolls this comparison because of it. That’s a huuuugeee gap considering how close ps3 and 360 are.

    • PC WON

      PS4’s GDDR5 RAM has twice as much memory bandwidth when compared to Xbox One’s DDR3 RAM provided that the memory clockspeeds are the same. For AMD APU’s having faster GDDR5 RAM will increase the overall performance in games by over 30%.

      Now for the graphics core, if PS4 uses an AMD Radeon HD 7850 and Xbox One uses an AMD Radeon HD HD 7790. PS4’s graphics core will increase overall performance in games by 20%

      Conclusion: PS4 > Xbox One by 56%

      • Vulcanproject

        Depending on memory clock speeds, PS4’s main system memory bandwidth will be at least twice as much as xbox one, but potentially as much as 3 times. It’ll be offset by that ESRAM in Xbox, but thats a sticking plaster solution. Sony just dismissed that and went the whole hog with the better GDDR5 solution, although it will cost more it’ll pay off.

        I actually believe that unless they have managed crazy high clocks on their GPU (they won’t have, consoles never do), it’ll never be as fast as a 7790. That is a 1.7 teraflop GPU. More accurate is a 7770 which is much closer, as a 1.28 teraflop GPU.

        PS4’s GPU is close to a 7850, Xbox one’s is close to a 7770 1ghz. Go see any PC bench for rough idea. Theres a big gap.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Dawkins/100002207329301 Jim Dawkins

    Its a basic gaming pc in sheeps clothing except you pay to play online as bonus…

  • Stacey Bright

    Its funny that people debate over console hardware, be it with other consoles or vs PC. Its utterly pointless what goes in to the console as long its enough to play games at 30-60 FPS, and manages to do it while looking better than the previous generation. This is the primary task that, with media playback being the only other real use you’ll ever get out of it. The PS3 atleast had the capability/potential to do more, but Sony took that away. I have a PS3 and never cared for the XBOX, but I’m primarily a PC gamer. No matter how much one spends on a ‘gaming’ PC in comparison to a console, you’ll ultimately end up doing more than gaming on it. The ‘more’ will continue to extend beyond that of any console. My PS3 at this point is relegated to primarily bluray playback, mostly due to it happening to be in closer proximity to my TV than my PC. I don’t even need it for streaming anymore, cause my TV will do that by itself now.

    • Daniel Heartland

      All that matter now are exclusives.

  • jjgnc

    Not impressed. I don’t need a new home multi-media system. I want a gaming system. Visual performance is already great on the current systems. They will remain at 1080p . I will wait until next year to make a decision. My PS3 will remain relevant for quite some time. I don’t even think technology right now justifies a new generation of consoles.

    • Ironmanxrs2

      Games aren’t running 1080p right now – they’re upscaled. Also, besides DX11 support, AI and physics will get a huge boost. It’s not all about exporting a 1080p picture.

  • hihime

    the ps4 does not have 8GB of GDDR5. GDDR 5 is strictly meant for GPU’s. all modern GPUS’s use GDDR5 for their ram but no current GPU has 8GB of GDDR5. the report says the ps4 is using a 7870 which only contains 2GB of GDDR5. modern CPU’s use DDR3 ram with a normal quantity being 8 GB. They have their facts mixed up here and xbox hasn’t announced their GPU which of course will contain GDDR5. THE G denotes its for a GPU…. this is a really dumb mistake on every one of these stupid reports lately…

    • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

      No. The ps4 has 8GB of GDDR5. The PS4 uses an innovative unified memory design (hUMA) where the ultra-fast GDDR5 memory is used for both CPU and GPU. The PS4 does not use DDR3 because is too slow. The PS4 is not using a 7870 but a custom GPU, which you cannot find in any PC.

      • Randall Nelson

        The GPU’s are GNC cores. (1150 PS4) and 750(Xbox one) of them. You can find them in PCs. How they are connected to the CPU and Memory systems maybe different. But they are still very very similar.

        The reason PS4 uses all GDDR5 unified memory is to save on costs. It was a good choice but its one born out of compromise.

        • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

          You cannot find the GPU of the PS4 in PCs, because is a heavily modified Radeon GPU: “The original AMD GCN architecture allowed for one source of graphics commands, and two sources of compute commands. For PS4, we’ve worked with AMD to increase the limit to 64 sources of compute commands — the idea is if you have some asynchronous compute you want to perform, you put commands in one of these 64 queues, and then there are multiple levels of arbitration in the hardware to determine what runs, how it runs, and when it runs, alongside the graphics that’s in the system. The original AMD GCN architecture allowed for one source of graphics commands, and two sources of compute commands. For PS4, we’ve worked with AMD to increase the limit to 64 sources of compute commands — the idea is if you have some asynchronous compute you want to perform, you put commands in one of these 64 queues, and then there are multiple levels of arbitration in the hardware to determine what runs, how it runs, and when it runs, alongside the graphics that’s in the system.”

          The 8GB GDDR5 on the PS4 are anything except cheap. The unified memory architecture was not choosed by economic reasons but because simplifies the work of game developers and increases performance by eliminating PCI bottlenecks. GDDR5 was the logical choice because DDR3 is too slow and DDR4 is not ready

      • Gamer96

        You obviously don’t know what you are talking about lmao. The CPU and gpu are going to have to share that GDDR5 (Graphics double data rate) memory there fore making it slower. And “DDR3 is too slow” are you kidding me DDR3 is definitely not too slow for a CPU and every new video card uses GDDR5.

  • Gamer84

    Even tho, many ppl think 8gb ram in either console is not enough for heavy graphics games or online games, i thik it is enough for long term potential! But pointing at the PS4, i have a ?, with it having 8b GDDR5 ram, how much of that ram is utilized for other things and how much ram we will actually have left? Is it total 8gb or some of it cut to other things to make it actually 6/7 GB?

    With that being said, the processor does sound solid and good, because it is power efficient and an 8 core processor to be utilized to the max at everything you do. As far as the GPU goes, thats the only part of the system that i hope doesn’t get too dated by the time the system launches because these days, new video cards come out so frequently for PC gaming! But since the GPU is custom made with 1.84 TFLOPS, 800mhz clocked, and 176 GB/sec bandwidth, i think thats fast enough and puts it in the 7850-7870 AMD RADEON, which those GPU’S can still play most and modern games today at high settings or almost maxed out!

  • http://www.facebook.com/angela.foster.908 Angela Foster

    Well we waited and now we know n e one with common gaming knowledge knows we want total recall (original) gaming!!!

  • Darkshit

    PS4, Xbox One, Wii U…I’m buying all 3 of these systems around November.
    Just won some money on a scratch off Lottery ticket worth $10,000 dollars! Don’t
    really care who wins the console war, I just want to play games all of them for that
    matter.

  • tomo008866

    Xbox is awesome.

  • Austin Wold

    like i tell every one pc’s are the best gaming hey it has no direct competitor

    STEAM FTW

  • Knowles2

    Actually my big fear is that with x86 code we will just end up with sloppy, inefficient code everywhere, with game studios more interested in shipping games on the largest number of platforms than optimising games there games to run as fast as possible on the hardware available

    • andrewi

      Why? x86 is no less efficient than Cell or PowerPC. In fact it’s a hell of a lot more efficient in a lot of things.

      • Knowles2

        It can be more efficient, it perhaps should be. It won’t be because games companies will choose to hire less experienced staff to save costs on development of new games, and because of the lesser learning experience the business suits will think they cut the number of staff for project, relative to the size of the game they are hoping to deliver.

        Nothing to do with x86, it the business practices that will mean less quality third party games.
        First party may be different.

    • Daniel Heartland

      That might be the case for 3rd party developers, but with the quantity of exclusives coming out for both consoles, and with SONY and Microsoft’s desire to better each other with said original IP’s, we actually could get some of the most amazing, creative and competitive games to date. And none of them will port to the PC.

    • chojin999

      Exactly. That is the point.

      These fake next-gen outdated ultra-cheap slow AMD APU driven consoles have been built to maximize profit and lower production costs to both Sony and Microsoft as well as software houses publishing games.

      There is not going to be any optimization anymore on consoles.

      Software houses might instead cripple the PC version on purpose to then let the XBoxOne/PS4 re-compiled released look better just because they are getting more money out of such operation as long as millions of people act sheep and buy the scam consoles.

      • dns7950

        hmm…

        Fake: ✓
        Cheap AMD APU:✓
        Sheep:✓
        Scam:✓
        Fraud: ✘

        OMG Chojin you forgot to tell everyone that it’s a fraud! Only 4 out of 5…You must be slipping! Maybe you should just copy/paste a comment from a previous article, then you could save time instead of having to type up the same rant on every article.. It’s not like your comments are ever relevant anyway..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Taylor/9383238 Cody Taylor

    I’d like to see this $400-500 computer that is going to run games better than a PS4……..if that’s upgrading it might be a valid statement but for anybody building a new pc? Goodluck. Don’t exaggerate. Also 3-4 years from now the ps4 is going to have better looking games than your magical $400 gaming pc.

    I built a pc, spent under $1,000 and I can run anything but a new build for $400 that’s going to look better than ps4…. You’re just blowing smoke

    • PC vs PS4

      You forgot to add in that every 7 years people are going to a PC ($400) for home or school use.
      PC ($400) + PS4 ($499) = $899
      Why not build or buy a gaming PC. For $700 you can build a PC with an AMD Radeon HD 7850 which has the same performance as a PS4.
      Custom Built PC ($520) + AMD Radeon HD 7850 ($180) = $700
      Or buy a prebuilt PC for $830 with an AMD Radeon HD 7850 which has the same performance as a PS4.
      Prebuilt PC ($650) + AMD Radeon HD 7850 ($180) = $830
      Also most PC games are backwards compatible and cost $5 for a digital download during sales.
      Conclusion: people should not consider buying consoles unless the PS4 cost less than $350 for PC builders or less than $430 for prebuilt PCs on day 1. However, PS4 will cost $499 so none one should buy it.

      • Phobos

        yes a pc is for something much more than playing games, a ps4 is more for gaming. I love pc but the way things are going I’m not spending $$$ on a beefy video card so I can play a console ports.

        • PC vs PS4

          PC gives you more bang for your buck by $69 compared to PS4 so by default every gamer should switch to PC. Also the upcomming console ports are going to be better optimzed for PC gamers than ever before.

          • Phobos

            I don’t know what your talking about? is that you chojin?

          • PC vs PS4

            if you want to have the best gaming performance for the least amount of money buy a PC.

            The PS4 and Xbox One are built with PC hardware. Both consoles use a x86 AMD processor. The x86 architecture is the same as most PCs, thus allowing developers to port console games to PCs easier and more effectively.

          • Daniel Heartland

            Developers will be able to port their games more easily, but they won’t, because the best and most creative IP’s will be sucked into the Exclusive Category as both consoles try and out class each other with exclusive content.

            PC loses big.

          • Phobos

            Sad but true, they just feel like that because they wasted $$ on beefy video card, cpu’s and PS. And realize that in 3-6yrs they wont be able to play in 1080p.

          • Randall Nelson

            Like Eve online, Stalker, Mech Warrior online, Mech Warrior Tactics Arma, Dota, Elder scrolls online, End of Nations, Never Winter, Iracing, (the list really does go on) .
            oh wait those are all PC exclusives.

          • Gamer96

            Maybe they can make the games for pc than easily port to console. People have been saying that pc loses all the time but look at it today devs are making the games way better on PC

          • Phobos

            Yes they will share the same x86/64 architecture but does not mean it will be the same, remember that its still a console with modify hardware and that little difference could change the whole thing. Plus until we see the games on ps4/xbox one and the pc we can only speculate.

          • Gamer96

            This is true with X86 being the architecture. I love how console fan boys automatically vote down your comment

        • http://www.facebook.com/cole.shores Cole Shores

          Just replace the Windows shell with Steam.
          Problem solved.

      • Daniel Heartland

        This means nothing as you won’t have the best games available. The upcoming Console Wars will be defined by how many more Exclusives will be coming out for each console.

        So While Theif and Watchdogs will get a PC port, there will be no “Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain”, or “Grand Theft Auto V”. No “Last Guardian”, or “Infamous: Second Son”, or “Drive Club”.

        Bottom line. Get the Console with the Exclusives that you want.

        • http://twitter.com/JonMBennett Jonathan Bennett

          Why mention Grand Theft Auto V? That’s coming out on the current generation of consoles. And every major GTA game has had a PC release… it’s very possible GTAV will come to the PC too.

        • Gamer96

          Metal gear solid 5 was confirmed for pc and GTA 5 is coming out later

      • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

        In the first place the PS4 will have a superior performance than a gaming PC with a 7850 because consoles are at least 2x more efficient at using the hardware. An equivalent gaming PC will need something as a GTX-680 to match console ports.

        Beside that, your conclusion is incorrect because you are missing important data. Some examples:
        – People who already has a PC and will only buy the console.
        – Kids playing on the console whereas mom/daddy makes some work on the PC.
        – Gaming PCs needing continuous updates/upgrades to run recent titles.

        • Randall Nelson

          Umm. Where did you get 2x as efficient stuff. That’s total BS. I think what leads people to this conclusion is PC games on ultra don’t seem to look THAT much better ( at least on YouTube lol). The problem is developers use easy things that take TONS of processing power and provide little in the way of graphics, like HDAO and those kinds of effects. Hopefully this new console generation will fix that for a while.

          For young kids id agree that console gaming is better. But Daddy and Mommy on the other hand can upgrade their PC for less than the price of a PS4 and have a gaming PC.

          Console games ALSO need continuous updates to run recent titles/ Xbox one needs to be online. PCs with 5 year old hardware can run mostly any game today. So no they don’t need constant upgrades.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            A console is bettween 2 and 3 times faster than a gaming PC with comparable hardware. You can find a quote from Carmack here in the comments. You can find Metro developers saying the same in eurogamer http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-metro-last-light. You can find a technical discussion by Huddy on Bit-tech. Being online and receiving automatic updates is one thing, upgrading PC hardware and installing new drivers or fixes/patches is other.

          • Gamer96

            You are coming up with complete bs you are saying a console is 200 to 300% more efficient if that were true you would still have better graphics on current gen consoles which you don’t. I have to say you are a complete dumb ass and fixated on consoles you are like arguing with a wall and will never change your mind. Have fun gaming on your inferior console! lol

        • Gamer96

          There you go with making up numbers again. And yea maybe near the end of the consoles life it will have better performance than a 7850

      • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

        In the first place the PS4 will have a superior performance than a gaming PC with a 7850 because consoles are at least 2x more efficient at using the hardware. An equivalent gaming PC will need something as a GTX-680 to match console ports.

        Beside that, your conclusion is incorrect because you are missing important data. Some examples:
        – People who already has a PC and will only buy the console.
        – Kids playing on the console whereas mom/daddy makes some work on the PC.
        – Gaming PCs needing continuous updates/upgrades to run recent titles.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kriziam.ortiz Kriziam Ortiz

    Ok so…xbox is better than the ps4 because of the processor while the ps4 has higher ram…well most PC’s now days use up roughly about 8gb ram for games and thats whats the xbox has…so the xbox is the winner when it comes to smoother graphics and better gameplay.

    • Jimmy Lin

      Reread the article. Both have 8gigs of ram, the difference is PS4 have GDDR5 and XBOX One use GDDR3. (GDDR5 being faster)

      XBOX One reduce the difference between the speed through the SRAM on the GPU. Meaning currently it seems fairly even spec wise.

      • REP

        Not proven. Also how come nobody talking about the fact that Xbox One only have 5Gig of RAM available for gaming while PS4 has 7.5Gig. Isn’t that a HUGE significant?

    • PC vs PS4

      Both Xbox One and PS4 have the same 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz

      Xbox One uses 8 GB DDR3 RAM and PS4 uses 8 GB GDDR5 RAM

      PS4’s GDDR5 RAM has twice as much memory bandwidth when compared to Xbox One’s DDR3 RAM provided that the memory clockspeeds are the same. For AMD APU’s having faster GDDR5 RAM will increase the overall performance in games by over 30%.

      Xbox One uses an AMD Radeon 7790 and PS4 uses an AMD Radeon HD 7850
      For the graphics core, if PS4 uses an AMD Radeon HD 7850 and Xbox One uses an AMD Radeon HD HD 7790. PS4’s graphics core will increase the overall performance in games by 20%.

      Conclusion: PS4 > Xbox One by more than 56%

  • Iamm Vaporizzing

    Great comparison, but your missing the point about PC comparison, Consoles are always a Gen. behind the latest PC hardware, but NOW they are X86 architecture, So finally PC, PS and XBox can all be on the same page when it comes to Game Titles. Make one and you have it done for all 3 now, sorry Nintendo Wii U (not X86), your always too early to the party, no pun intended, as why EA just said they are not currently working on any titles for the Wii U. Sad.

  • jgrif91

    Cell is exclusive to the ps3.

  • http://twitter.com/jankechafe Curtis Acree

    its now not big it is???????

  • KillerB

    The 7790 is about 3-11fps slower than the 7850, and the 7850 is usually doing 32-34fps @ 1080p games maxed out. These 2 cards have no visual differences between the 2 of them, you will get the same experience playing both.
    Do you also think that the people programming are going to add in AA or AF to the different console versions? Hell NO! PS4 and the Xbox ONE are going to be programmed with the same code looking virtually the same way as the other.
    The PS4 may get 65fps and the Xbox One will do 57fps if that.
    Do you people really think that some magical programmer will blow your mind with new age graphics, if so why the hell have they not done it with PC’S? As they had the ability many years ago to do so.

    • PC vs PS4

      PS4’s GDDR5 RAM has twice as much memory bandwidth when compared to Xbox One’s DDR3 RAM provided that the memory clockspeeds are the same. For AMD APU’s having faster GDDR5 RAM will increase the overall performance in games by over 30%.

      Xbox One uses an AMD Radeon 7790 and PS4 uses an AMD Radeon HD 7850
      For the graphics core, if PS4 uses an AMD Radeon HD 7850 and Xbox One uses an AMD Radeon HD HD 7790. PS4’s graphics core will increase the overall performance in games by 20%.

      Conclusion: PS4 > Xbox One by more than 56%

      • KillerB

        it does not matter PC’s have up to 100x more bandwidth than the ps4 but the graphics are not 100x better, did you not read what I said…man you people are dumb

        • PC vs PS4

          Games do look better on systems with better hardware. Instead of using a resolution of 1920 x 1080 at 30 fps you can use 6400 x 4000 at 60+ fps which is a drastic difference.

          http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,690489/Crysis-at-6-400-x-4-000-Ultra-High-Res-Gaming-with-256-megapixels/Reviews/

          • Killerb

            resolution increases that is it

          • Killerb

            lmao. **3 x gtx titans with I7 3970x**
            crysis 3 @ 5760*1200 avg fps =47
            farcry3 @ 5760*1200 avg fps =52
            hitman @ 5760*1200 avg fps =73
            sleepingdogs @5760*1200 avg fps=65
            max payne 3 @ 5760*1200 avg fps=56
            Really!
            I dont know anyone who can game @ 6400*4000 and get 60fps,
            what are you talking about!
            Gaming @ 6400*4000 would probably get 10fps with 3 gtx titans ($3000.00 in gpu’s), If the GPU’s could support that resolution…big IF
            Changing the resolution does increase the graphics but again not by 100%, more like 25% MAX…I know because I game with a 31 inch 2560*1600 lcd, 3 1080p leds(for flight sims) and I have 3 gtx580 in SLi.

      • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

        ok first I think the xbox is using ddr3 as system, the gpu should have GDDR5 like all GPUs released in the last 3 years do. Second do we know what the GPU is on the PS4? its speculation, heck GDDR5 has never been used as system memory for a reason, who knows how it will perform.

  • Jake Lafeve

    Games will never look better on consoles unless you’re a cheap ass lol

    • Gamer96

      Thank you! exactly my point

  • PC vs PS4

    “From leaked benchmarks, the Jaguar core is around 10% faster than its predecessor (Bobcat, a dual-core Brazos).”

    i guess my 5 year old Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 will be good for another 7 years.

    • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

      lol I have one of those, its true its will probably still be good for internet browsing for years to come, but anything intensive, gaming, photo editing, etc you should probably upgrade.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aaron.sinclair.940 Aaron Sinclair

    “It’s now not big it is; it’s what you do with it” bahaha at the innuendo and grammar :D

    • http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony

      Oops :P Will fix, thanks.

  • mikegorton

    “Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz”
    This line is sort of incorrect in nomenclature. 64 bit CPU’s are designated as x64 CPU’s not x86 (32 bit).

    • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

      “x86-64″, “x64″, and “AMD64″ are used as synonym.

  • George McDowell

    Goodbye, SonyRootkit. It wasn’t very nice knowing ya.

    • PC vs PS4

      Sony’s securom is required to download Origin games via EA download

  • Cai Phillips-Jones

    my 2.5 year old pc is more powerful *dracula laugh*

    • Daniel Heartland

      Enjoy “Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain” — oh wait…haha!

      • Cai Phillips-Jones

        i’ve never played a mgs game

        • howdy

          Metal Gear Solid 2 is my 9 th favorite game of all-time, however the Metal Gear Solid series went down-hill after that game

          • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

            which can be played on pc in a emu at 60fps

  • http://www.facebook.com/KierreH Kierre Hodges

    This is stupid and who cares… as long as it plays the games and I can watch netflix/vudu on these bs systems.

    • Jamie MacDonald

      People who care could do this on the old XBox.

  • John Jordan

    Does anyone know or hear if the Box has a power source inside or are we going to have the brick on the outside?

    • eAbyss

      In the released photos and video it’s often in shadow but you can see what looks like a power port on the rear lower left hand side of the console and I could be wrong but by the looks of it, it appears that the power source is external. You don’t want to bring all that heat inside the case by making the power supply internal anyways. I just hope that it will be a lot smaller than the 360’s.

      • John Jordan

        Thanks and I saw that also but on the back it looks like a 2 prong (like the PS3) and that area you saw and me also looks like a USB port. Thanks anyway. This is going to be a great console war as I see it. But M$ has had bad press so far.

  • John Jordan

    All we saw was a Box, controller and a camera. It (the box could of been empty for all we know) because I did not see them use it or the controller. Saw them use the camera and that was all. So you make the call.

  • ℛɛᴛʀᴏ ℛɛᴅ

    It’s very suspect that both the Xbox One and PS4 have almost similar specs, similar features, like voice command, face recognition and motion control. A friend of mine mentioned this to me. I never thought anything of it at the time, until I seen this. This tells me that Sony and Microsoft may have been in constant communication over the years, sharing technology ideas, and even setting up a date when to launch the consoles.

    If true, the Console War or “beef” is just a marketing campaign. A war that never existed.

    I think both Microsoft and Sony are planning together to push Nintendo out of the market for good. When you think about it, it all makes sense. EA stopped making future games for the Wii U, then ended online passes OUT OF THE BLUE, then MS announces the new Used games policy. Coincidence? Hell no. Gamestop, EA, MS, and Sony are ALL plotting together to take down the Wii U. They’ve been planing to take Nintendo down for years.

    • Kurrm

      Dude, everything you jus said is making too much sense. I just found this a day ago. Wow, sony and MS are really gonna go for it. Messed up indeed.

      http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/x86-architecture-vs-nintendo/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget

    • eAbyss

      It just makes sense to go x86. it’s an architecture that programmers are extremely familiar with and because the PC, X1 and PS4 all now share the same architecture it should be simple and painless for game makers to port games between them, decreasing the time and cost it takes to make a game.

      Anyways the Wii U was never a real contender with last gen specs, an idiotically designed touchscreen controller without multitouch, and a Blu-Ray drive that can’t play Blu-Rays or DVDs. The whole thing was half assed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RaulRobles79 Raul Robles

    New ring of death????,,

  • Grinning

    Not to nitpick or anything. The Xbox 360 and PS3 both used PowerPC processors. But the PS3 was the only one that had the CELL optimizations(?). But these optimizations where a pain in the butt to program for compared to the 360 CPU.

    • Phobos

      And what was the reward in using the cell?

      • eAbyss

        Nothing besides media playback, it was a huge mistake for Sony. The complexity of the Cell processor made it extremely difficult to program resulting in no real world edge over the 360 in gaming.

        • Denzo

          Yeah in the later PS3’s models, they didnt even activate all the cores on the CPU, because they didnt use them in the games lol. Im serious by the way, look it up. –

          By the way, its unbelievable what they can do if all the cores are activated on a PS3. Examples? Watch this.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhoYLp8CtXI

  • http://dbakeca.com Dbakeca Italia

    waw….looks great

  • http://www.facebook.com/aka.pop.tarts Clarence Thompkins II

    Just some facts to clear up: Xbox 360 had a PowerPC CPU while the PS3 had the CELL Broadband CPU. Xbox One is mainly focused on becoming a set top box while the PS4 is focusing on the gamers. Xbox One 1.2TeraFlops PS4 1.84 TeraFlops.

    • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

      Tflops are irrelevant, there are cards that do over 2 Tflops but are creamed by newer cards that only do 1.5 Tflops. To be honest they are probably the same system just in a different case with a different bootloader.

      • http://www.facebook.com/aka.pop.tarts Clarence Thompkins II

        I was just helping out the author of the article with some of the facts that he missed or was misleading.

      • Randall Nelson

        the GPU in the PS4 has 1152 GNC cores, the Xbox one has 768 GNC shaders. Same architecture, PS4 just has more. Games will either run smoother or look better.

      • Gamer96

        Example?

        • webduelist

          well for example the Radeon 5850 (2Tflops) vs Radeon 7770 (1.5Tflops), almost identical performance and when we crank it up to 1.7Tflops with the Radeon 7790 the Radeon 5850 is pretty much destroyed.

          • Gamer96

            That comes down to architecture then and the apus don’t really have power or architecture going for them the same example can be said for nvidia cards compared to AMD cards the nvidia cards destroy the AMD cards even when the specs on the AMD card is significantly higher

  • Xbox One Forums

    Going to the x86 architecture will be a game changer. – http://www.xboxoneforu.ms

  • zeeshan khan

    crap innit , sort urself out. u cant even afford a card board box, let alone an xbox.

  • zeeshan khan

    flip u

  • zeeshan khan

    u cant even afford a card board box, let alone an xbox

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  • zeeshan khan

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  • zeeshan khan

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  • zeeshan khan

    shut up

  • tomtomtom

    If you don’t have cash for new xbox go home and cry there.

  • Coolbot

    Did no one notice that this article states that Cell chip were used on both Xbox and ps4

    • eAbyss

      Yeah, the guy’s an idiot. Any gamer would know that isn’t true and it would have taken him less than two minutes to Wiki the consoles.

  • Robert

    Just like they knew the next xbox would be called Infinity and have online only DRM

  • Yoon YoungJo

    Reply @Chojin, in case you missed my reply. These companies are conducting fraud. I will give you an example of a company committing fraud and then going to extreme lengths to hide it.

    Take for example a Chinese MMO company named Perfect World Entertainment. The company allows fake sponsored players to cheat, harass and out play ONLY paying customers. The purpose? Who knows, I am no criminal so I could never completely figure this part out. What I do know is that these sponsored players are allowed to “sell” and utilize (make money off of) 3rd party virtual goods websites. Here is what doesn’t make sense. These virtual goods sites should be stealing from the companies legitimate profits. Their answer to this problem? Ban “buying” and “paying” customers giving the company and the virtual sites money to stop the 3rd party virtual goods resellers that are taking profits from the company. Oh, but leave the sellers and operators of the 3rd party virtual goods sites alone. Also making promises about your product then changing your mind AFTER you have the customers money…. That’s fraud. I don’t see anywhere Sony or Microsoft is being fraudulent. My example above, now that’s an example of fraud.

    • Phobos

      Dude don’t waste your time explaining what a fraud is to chojin. its best to just make fun of his retarded comments.

  • stevenshearing

    Last generation I chose a high end PC instead and what a mistake that was.
    At that time 7800gtx was high end gpu.
    It started great it was better graphics and better gaming with high fps but then slowly over time that dropped, in the end after 7 years it could not even play the same games as the console on its lowest setting at 30fps yet the xbox360 was able.
    One example the xbox 360 was able to play crysis 2 while the pc could not get past 20fps on 800×600 low settings, it can’t even play crysis3 what so ever and teh consle does.

    I won’t make the same mistake this time, ill buy ps4 and be able to play from start to end with no upgrades saving lots of money.

    • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

      7800gtx infact it was phased out and replaced in march of 2006. 8800gt (fall 2006) not even gtx will still plays todays games at 1080p at 60fps. Your 7800gtx also did not support dx10 only dx9 which is one of the major problems you are having.

      your PC is way older than what you are making it out to be, and also from that time where you had to upgrade every year, the upgrade every year thing has fallen way off and a single gpu gtx 660 ti and up will last you 6+ years

      PS consoles cant play Crysis 2 or Crysis 3 without lowering the textures, no AA, and only at 720p @ 25-30fps in other words completely nerfing them.

      • Phobos

        What are you talking about? the ps3 and 360 only play dx9 games and some games on the pc give you the option to play them in dx9,10 or 11. It is true you buy a console you are good for a couple of years, were as a pc you will need to upgrade to a new video card and possible new PS more $$ just to play console ports.

        • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

          again because current gen consoles games are nerfed. Also as I stated earlier, back in 2006 the constant upgrading every year was a serious problem, now its not nearly as bad and newer gpus can get you years of play.

          • Phobos

            Only time will tell.

      • stevenshearing

        You seem to misunderstand the point.

        At the lunch of 360 the gtx7800 was high end, a pc with one cost 3 times more then the console.

        Not talking at about 60fps or 1080p, no i’m talking on the same level as the xbox 360, it can’t do the same yet it was a better hardware.

        A console will play at 30fps and 720 from day one to game over 7 years later, crysis 3 lowest frame drop is 26 on consle and most times it is at 28 on 720p, yet 7800gtx can not run crysis 2 on 800×600 20fps yet stronger card in specs.o

        • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

          let me break it down a little. a good gaming computer will run you anywhere from $700-900 right? That sounds expensive, however if we look at it this way.

          Most people have a computer and a gaming console. Most people are going to go to their store of choice and spend around $400-600 on said computer that most likely wont perform well. They are also going to buy a gaming console that could range from $200-400. So now that we have most peoples bed rooms (lol) broken down into prices they are going to be spending $600-1000 on a computer and a console. But then we have xbox live if your on xbox which is $420 dollars over 7 years. The grand total for playing xbox hardware not even games is $620 – 820.

          Now lets move onto PC, lets say make a build for $910, that is a build with dual gtx 660s which is above the performance of a current gtx 680. A little bit more than playing xbox right? However the thing a lot of people forget is that its also a computer, so lets add the price of the computer mentioned before onto maximum cost of playing an xbox for 7 years, $1220 – 1420. So now lets say your PC starts to show its age after half of that time and you want to upgrade your GPUs lets say we are getting 2 GTX X60s and its going to be around $400 like the twin 660s That brings the grand total of the build up to $1310, $110 dollars bellow the maximum of getting both a computer and a console (at $400 which is 360 launch price) and only $90 above the minimum.

          And to top it all off the PC will perform better than a walmart PC obviously and you also said your self the graphics are better on PC.

          (this is fair because this is what it takes to get the same functionality. a xbox is not a PC therefor you need a PC to fill in that functionality.)

          So to recap maximum cost of playing xbox and buying a new PC $1420, Cost of PC $910, with optional GPU upgrade mid cycle $1310.

          Ya Ya I know PS is free to play online, but they have also been hacked a couple of times, been down a couple of times, I guess if you take the PS route it would be cheaper by $420 But that is only the mid cycle upgrade on the PC GPUs.

          • Ironmanxrs2

            And your PC will sound like an airplane taking off and will get bogged down with crapware.

          • webduelist

            only if you install the crapware, (use virtual machines if you must install stupid stuff) and actually I can’t hear mine, a little if I am trying to hear it, but much quieter than any 360 or ps4 and there is always water cooling that is completely silent.

      • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

        Let me know how many seven year old gaming PCs with 256 MB RAM can play crysis 2 or 3 with the same quality and gameplay than the old consoles. Exact: zero. Of course, if you choose a modern gaming PC with 8 GB RAM and about 10–16x the graphics performance of the old consoles then you will play with larger textures and higher framerates. You would be very worried if a 10x more powerful, noisy, and expensive PC could not do that. By the year 2020 you would post here again how you can play Crysis 5 better than the PS4 or the Xbox One.

        • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

          actually, ya, a 7 years old computer can play crysis 2 or 3 better than a xbox 360 can, its not really relevant anymore that “consoles take better advantage of the hardware” back in 2001 it was not anymore. Not to mention the console version is so nerfed that a PC version with that low of graphics is not available.

          PC are also not noisy if you know what you are doing, you can even water cool them and make them silent.

          I can tell you have been out of the PC game for a while, I suggest you get caught up.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            There no exist seven year old computers (neither modern) with 256MB RAM and 256MB VRAM that can _load_ crysis 2 or 3 still less _play_ them with the same graphic quality and gameplay than the old generation consoles. Water cooling is expensive and only a tiny minority of gaming PCs use it; moreover, not all water cooling kits are noiseless. Consoles are much more efficient than PCs, that is a fact that everyone knows albeit some few reject.

          • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

            um actually I can prove that seven year old computers will do it. Also my system is not water cooled and isn’t as noisy as my 360,

            Again if you know what you are doing you can make a system silent and still perform, “water cooling kits” well ya, DIY and know what you are buying helps a ton.

            Yes Consoles are more efficient but not terribly so, in the same way a 4 banger and a v8 will both get you to 70 mph, one just has a lot more head room but uses a lot more gas getting there.

            Typically the efficient thing comes from porting to different architectures, but the ps4 and the xbox one are both AMD APUs that are x86, which will make porting a lot easier.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            You couldn’t prove it just like you couldn’t prove that the Earth is flat… Nobody said that you cannot build a silent system, do you read? Not all the PCs are silent, most gaming PCs aren’t. As noted by game developers the consoles efficiency factor is between 2x and 3x, with 2x coming almost exclusively from API overhead.

          • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

            so my 7 year old computer with a single 8800gt must not be real then?

          • Gamer96

            Actually most pc’s are way more silent than consoles I didn’t even try to make a silent system and it is silent. One funny thing is that you keep making up numbers about consoles “oh consoles are 2x more efficient” stop pulling numbers out of your ass

          • Marexxx

            juanrga what are you talking about?

            I have 6-7 year old pc, q6600 @3,4GH, 8800 GTX, 4gb RAM, and I play Battlefield 3 Hight-Mid settings at 50-60 fps!

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            Did you read my post? If yes, then use only 256 MB RAM and 256 MB VRAM and say me if you can _play_ games with the same graphics quality than the PS3. Oh! wait you couldn’t even _load_ BF3. If you didn’t read, then read it.

          • Gamer96

            calm down console fanboy haha I used to be just like you untill I switched to PC from consoles

          • Gamer96

            Thats why you upgrade what is needed every 3 years and efficient lol it’s not the pc that is inefficient it is the lazy developers look at and valve game and see how amazingly optimized it is for pc

        • Gamer96

          It is not always about the cost! it is about the experience I’m sorry that you are poor when it comes to money and very misinformed it sucks that you can not afford a decent gaming pc

    • Denzo

      Funny thing was thats the boat I am in too.. my previous PC, and first decent one I ever owned was the Dell Dimension 9150 (anyone remember those bad boys lol). It came with a 7800GTX 256MB.. it played Doom 3 awesome and at the time you could say it had better graphics than the consoles.. but for some reason.. that nVidia product didn’t want to support Blu Ray.. even though it obviously could! So that is what made me (tricked me?) into upgrading to the monstrosity I have now. Worst thing about it.. I dont really watch movies on my PC cause I have a nice Samsung TV to watch via my PS3 LMAO!! After all that!!

      Anyway, yeah next gen Im going console and I am pretty much done upgrading my PC.. I have a decent PC now and that will last me for all my Word, Web Surfing, Music, Videos etc and will only buy replacement parts now if something breaks. For my PC gaming, im just going to play my current PC into the ground and then stick with consoles after that. The returns on graphics for PC compared with what they charge is just too much. Im not broke I have a disposable income but I am not crazy. If you want top of the line graphics you have to spend. If you want the TESSLX and PHYSX etc.. you need a GTX670 or 7850 minimum. You need a decent power supply. You need some decent ram. You want a decent looking case. A decent mouse. A nice monitor etc.. I got a 7970 3GB now from Asus, after upping from my a GTX295 and it really was like.. yeah.. cool.. give me my money back, the REAL benefits are minimal.

      • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

        Your CPU is bottle necking the 7970, A CPU from the time of the GTX 295 can not use a 7970 to its fullest because of a slow North Bridge.

  • Some Dude

    It’s hard for PC to pull ahead from consoles looking better, when current PC hardware is already better then the next-gen consoles.

    Yeah, these consoles are years (about 8, to be exact) ahead of last-gen consoles, but, as always, any top of the line made-for-console game will just be run of the mill on PC.

    • Ironmanxrs2

      It’s awesome that you know that owning no next gen games for console because they’re not out yet. PC is good for strategy games & MMOs. For the rest, console is the best.

      • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

        So the fact that I just beat, Metro Last Light, Bioshock Infinite, and Farcry 3 just this month and play BF3 in 32 vs 32 servers and have BF4 pre-ordered plus all of the games look better than they do on the console says what exactly about PC being only good for strategy games and MMOs?

        • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

          Do you really wait that an ancient console with only 256 MB RAM can have better graphics than a 10x more powerful PCs with 4GB or 8BG RAM? Consoles are good but not that good. That is why a new generation is going to born. Moreover, read what Metro Last Light developer said in a recent interview about the next gen consoles.

          • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

            “It is no secret that 4A Games do want to release an SDK for Metro, finish the extremely promising multiplayer component and release this in some form, and investigate a PlayStation 4 version provided it makes commercial sense,”

            “Although no development has started on any next-gen console versions [of Metro: Last Light]. We have confirmed these hopes and ideas plenty of times before.”

            “However, all these ideas are just ideas at the moment. It will be some time before we can officially commit to any of these projects or suggest when they might materialize. They genuinely might all happen, but equally none of them might happen. Anyone expecting Metro: Last Light as a PS4 launch game is probably going to be disappointed…” – Deep Silver

            Also that was not the point of this comment, the point was PC is not just for MMO’s and Strategy games, its a serious platform with AAA titles.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            The OP did not say that the PC is only for MMO’s and Strategy games, it said was “good” for that. Regarding metro last light developers, the relevant part is when he destroys the argument against consoles that you tried in another part of this page.

            Digital Foundry: Do you think that the relatively low-power CPUs in the next-gen consoles (compared to PC, at least) will see a more concerted push to getting more out of GPU Compute?

            Oles Shishkovstov: No, you just cannot compare consoles to PC directly. Consoles could do at least 2x what a comparable PC can due to the fixed platform and low-level access to hardware.

          • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

            Your confusing efficiency for performance. Yes if a PC was running the exact same specs the console would win hands down. But they are not, PCs are running much higher end hardware than the consoles, and no I am not talking about the $4000 super builds, i’m talking the $700 – $1500 builds.

            What this doesn’t mean is PC’s which on average are going to be 4x more powerful than a console are going to be beaten by a console. The console would only be capable of half of the power as the PC even with the fixed optimizations available.

            See a PC with similar specs to the 360 and PS3 are going to be beaten by them. But a computer built around the same time they came out (my 2006 build) beats them because the hardware was already more powerful.

            You then also have the issue of the “fixed” platform, things are not going to get better on consoles, they are going to stay exactly the same for the next 7 years or so, PC’s will continue to get better over the next 7 years, and if you feel like your system is getting dated and you don’t like the way it is running (halo 4), you can put new parts in it, if you are happy the way it is running leave it like it is.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            Weird reply. It is a combination of stuff that I am saying to you mixed with off-topic and unrelated stuff.

          • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

            “Consoles could do at least 2x what a !!!***COMPARABLE***!!! PC can due to the fixed platform and low-level access to hardware.”

            Comparable – Able to be likened to another; similar.

            This means the PC would have almost the same specs as the console. But no one builds computers with with the same specs as the PS4 or Xbox one, PCs specs are vastly better.

            Again your confusing efficiency for performance.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            And you repeat again what I said to you before, just to ignore my point once again. Weird.

          • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

            ok, what the hell is your point then? Because the only point I see you trying to push is that consoles are more efficient which isn’t even up for debate cause its a known fact. Again efficiency is not performance.

          • Gamer96

            Some one has obviously never PC gamed

  • ops17

    chojin999
    if u read this, I like ur conspiracy thought but how are they frauds?
    Do you know how much it would cost to build a home computer to be like the ps4 or Xbox one, over $1200 dollars.
    Just the CPU and motherboard alone is over $300 depending on which
    board you buy atx or btx but they are customizing theirs and the graphic
    cards they are using can go from $300 to $400 shit graphic card can go
    for over the thousands, the ram easily $150 to $200 and the blu ray player still in the $100’s. Plus the case alone $200 and wires,power box,fans,heat sinks ROM and hard drive that not all. Shit look at the operating systems for windows from $200 to $500. So are they frauds well if you bought over 500 million CPU’s from AMD Im pretty dam sure they would give you a discount.
    In stead a CPU costing $150 they bought enough im sure you could get
    them for $25 to $50 its called buying in bulk which almost all large
    size family’s do And think a average computer program designer can make
    over $100,000 salary and how many are employed with Sony and Microsoft.
    So if they want to buy cheap, build the system and pay for the labor and
    give me a decent price on there gaming systems then how is that fraud? I could see if the systems were over a grand.
    And if you ask why does it cost so much to buy AMD’s shits well chips
    circuity are made from gold and hiring people to build them are not
    cheap. And for your hole think about CPU being obsolete i agree but people don’t know what the hell to do with a 8 core clocked at 4.0 GHz in there computer as it is and its only takes 3 cores to run a game, i mean shit some people can barley us a dam tablet or a smart phone and they only 1 core clocked at 1ghz. So why the hell would the government give dumb as American higher tech?

    • Phobos

      I’m not sure I understand you, but here at least in the U.S building a htpc is not really expensive, it doesn’t have to be as powerful as the next gen consoles but can get the job done well enough. Don’t get me wrong I like consoles but I will only use it to play games and that’s it. With a HTPC is way more flexible than a console. As for the parts it depends where you look for them for a cheaper price. Also if you go INTEL is bit more expensive than going AMD performance wise is not that much different.

    • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

      Ok well I had this long drawn out thing about how this is completely wrong a PC does not cost that much, but then backspace happened so abridged.

      Wires & heat syncs included ($0), Dual GTX 660s (on paper better than GTX 680 @ $500) ($400) ($200 a piece) , Ram $100, Mobo + CPU ($300) Case ($40 – 60), PSU (50 – 100) Blue Ray Rom ($56), keyboard and mouse ($20). TV can be used as output same as xbox and ps4 $0

      Xbox one $400 + $420 xbox live over 7 years

      So Xbox one $820

      PC $920

      Functionality break down

      Xbox one plays games and tv, is not able to do PC tasks such as video editing or MS office

      PC plays games and does PC tasks such as video editing and MS office, does not watch tv unless card is bought to do so.

      :Final Thoughts

      So to do the same tasks photo edit, MS office etc, with Xbox one you are also going to need to buy a PC which brings your total up to $1220 – 1420 depending on the computer this is based on walmart computers and prices which we all know are mediocre at best.. and a custom build is going to perform way better.

      PC at $920 does everything you would need to spend up to $1420 otherwise.

      Furthermore its pretty common knowledge that the xbox one and ps4 are hovering around the low – mid range pc level of performance which you could build for $500 – $700 which again does all gaming and PC functions as well.

  • B_Boss

    “With both consoles moving to
    fill more of a media center/set-top box role, rather than focusing on
    gaming”

    Great article but as I came across the above comment, it was a head scratcher considering the different philosophies adopted by each company regarding their flagship consoles. Of the two, MS is the company dedicated to creating a console to take over the living room as an ‘entertainment/media hub’. Sony’s goal seems to be exactly what this article seems to deny (and many would consider, the opposite from MS): a focus on the PS4 as primarily a gaming console and a powerful one at that. The PS4 announcement clearly showed this, focusing on Developers’ visions and the games for the system.

    • Ironmanxrs2

      It’s ironic considering that a large chunk of PS3’s sold in the US was due to it being a cheap Blu Ray player. The same reason so many PS2’s sold as a cheap DVD player.

      • B_Boss

        For sure lol.

      • oddvintagetaco

        I wouldnt word it like that. Its more like a Trojan horse idea. People Buy PS3 why would they buy a HDDVD player? PS2 was also a trojan horse… VHS? i have this DVD player already. With the PS4 they dont have format(B-Ray) nor a technology (Cell Chip) to push but their gaikai & 4K streaming.

  • superdynamite

    Microsoft dumped all their first party developers. Basically, the XB1 is a glorified cable box. No thanks!

  • SiliconNooB

    This article is shockingly poorly researched.

    360 didn’t have a cell processor – believe the word you were searching for was Power PC processor.

    Also, PS4 is 1.8 TF, while Xbone is closer to 1.1TF – both are a far cry from 2TF.

    • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

      The PS4 APU (CPU+GPU) has (102.4 + 1843) GFLOPs = 1.9454 TFLOPs. This is usually rounded to 2 TFLOPs. The Xbox has slightly weaker GPU but it is rumoured that has a slightly stronger CPU, therefore must be also close to 2 TFLOPs total.

      • SiliconNooB

        Incorrect. Xbox One has the same CPU as PS4.

        • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

          Link confirming same CPU and clocks?

          • SiliconNooB

            You don’t know how to use Google?

            I have neither the time nor inclination to remedy your ignorance.

            Both consoles are using 2 X AMD Bulldozer quadcore CPUs clocked @ 1.6 GHZ – you can either believe that, or not; it matters very little to me.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            Besides lacking a single link you now confound bulldozer cores with jaguar cores… LOL

          • Mitchings

            Both consoles are using 8-Core Jaguars (2x 4-Core) and both consoles are using GCN-Based GPU’s.

            On the GPU the PS4 has 50% more Compute Units, twice the ROPS (Fillrate) and a 700% increase in granularity/control in the GPGPU compute queues.

            Both systems are rumoured to be running at 1.6GHz/800MHz for CPU/GPU respectively. However, only the clock speed of the PS4 can been confirmed (800MHz) by reverse-calculating the Flop/s of the PS4 GPU; however, that may even change by launch.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            I know are using jaguar cores. It was SiliconNooB who confounded them with Bulldozer cores. I also know the rumours about the clocks, but I asked for a confirmation, because I also hear rumours about different clocks.

      • Gamer96

        You don’t round TFLOPS every decimal place is a huge difference.

  • Locust76

    Xbox 360 didn’t have a Cell processor, as this article states.

  • eAbyss

    Do your research. The 360 has a 3 core PowerPC processor and the PS3 has a 7 core Cell processor. The very unique architecture of the Cell processor made it extremely difficult to program for so although it made it more powerful than the 360 there was no real difference between the two when it came to real life gaming performance, it did make it a media powerhouse though.

    Also the X1 is not the 720 and the X1 wasn’t “formerly known as the Xbox 720,” it was codenamed (formerly known as) Durango. The public made up the name Xbox 720, along with a few others, when they were trying to guess what the X1 would be called, they simply doubled 360 to get 720.

    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      The PS3 isn’t 7 core, it has 1 CPU core and 7 SPEs which is not the same thing. Its relatively easy to code for a general purpose core, its REALLY hard to write for SPEs. Its why Xbox 360 was easier as it has 3 normal cores.

      However SPEs can assist with graphics related operations, so a really dedicated developer can achieve better graphics on PS3 than Xbox 360 (even though Xbox has the better GPU). But the cost difference to do that is SERIOUSLY high, which is why its only worth it for PS3 exclusives.

  • Marlon Pineda

    Yeah, I read somewhere that the nextgen consoles (if, there were going to be any) were going to be more of a direct reflection of today’s economy. Of course, this was stated more around 2010, back when Microsoft and Sony had hoped to have “true” nextgen hardware out, but instead, were thrown off by the economical downward spiral that had occurred in 2008. So, blame the times between then and now. They did also mention that the “nextgen” aspect would namely take place within services and on the software front, than in the hardware. Looks like they were right, these are piddly specs.

  • Marlon Pineda

    Clearly ExtremeTech forgot to mention that the “only” significant thing that makes the 7790 and 7870 different from eachother, in the PC world, is the memory interface. It’s a completely different market than the console market in terms of architecture. Consoles are built for longevity. I highly doubt that the 7790 is going to feature the same, narrow, limited 128bit interface that the PC counterpart does. After all, it is not the PC 7790 going into the Xbox, nor is it the PC 7870 GPU going into the PS4…they are “Based On” their PC counterparts, with different architecture as a foundation.

    With these projected bandwidth specs, you can through 128bit memory interfaces out the door. Both of these consoles are probably going to be sitting on something more similar to the high-end 320bit interfaces, to achieve this sort of throughput. The only reason why PC gamers opt for the high end, expensive cards, is because there is little bottlenecking, e.g. they typically sit on a 320bit+ memory interface. Take the 128bit inteface out of the equation and you have virtually identical GPU’s with the 7870 maybe sporting a few extra stream processors, that’s it. There’s barely anything to debate outside of that. In fact, you probably couldn’t even factor in the stream processor count on these things. We don’t know what their shipped configuration will be yet.

  • PC

    $185 Intel Core i5-3470 + $190 nVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 > PS4 > X1

    • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

      You forgot to add a case, hard-disk, memory, motherboard, cooler, PSU, gaming keyboard, gaming mouse, Windows license… and finally you got an expensive gaming PC with less performance than the PS4. The high-end gaming PC used by Epic and other developers in their comparison with the PS4 is an Intel i7(with Hyperthreading activated) + 16 GB RAM + Nvidia GTX-680(2GB), and no gaming developer can assure that high-end PC will be able to play all PS4 ported games because it will not.

      • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

        Console Developers are going to talk up Consoles and talk down PCs, especially when they can’t release their exclusives for PC because of contracts and stuff. Also it is well known the GPU in the PS4 is mid range, equivalent of a Nvidia 550 ti or 650ti. Its also a 1.6 Ghz 8 core APU, you are really going to tell me that it can keep up with a 3rd or 4th gen i5, let alone a 3rd or 4th gen i7, maybe a i3 or a older i5.

        So lets see here,
        first it was
        “computers are loud” = false
        (quite fans and heatsyncs (noctua nh-d14), or water cooling can make your system almost inaudible.)
        “computers are expensive” = false
        (bigger down payment but less or the same in the long run)
        “seven year old computers can’t game” = false
        (yet you insist otherwise, I have a 7 year old system next to me, do you?)
        “you can’t load bf3 on a 8800 gt (7 years old)” = false
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw48V03EaVk

        (note the cpu is the bottleneck, with a proper cpu the gpu would perform better)

        Just stop, you don’t know what you are talking about, you cite articles from console developers who have exclusives on that console, or was mistranslated, such as the interview with the 4A developer.

        I have no doubt in my mind that you believe what you are saying is correct, but its not.

        • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

          Another weird reply. You avoid the main part of my post and use your ‘reply’ to post a collection of fake quotes with barely resemblance to what was really said to you in other parts. LOL

        • Ω ＧＵＮＴＺ

          My tip young man, is to save your money and you will soon become rich.

          • http://twitter.com/webduelist webduelist

            ? now i’m just confused. PC’s are per function cheaper than Consoles, if you trying to imply that you can save money by buying a console its simply not true over the long hall.

          • Ω ＧＵＮＴＺ

            Then you’re even more full of crap than I thought.

          • Ω ＧＵＮＴＺ

            You got one of those faces that look better at some angles than at others. Sometimes hot, sometimes not.

        • Mitchings

          You can’t just take one PC GPU and compare it to another to gauge the GPU in consoles.

          All I hear is PC gamers saying oh, PS4 has a 7850 GPU and a 1.6GHz CPU as if it’s directly comparable.

          The PS4 for eg. has to be taken as a single, coherent system.

          – It’s a fixed spec machine, balanced and dedicated primarily to gaming.

          – Developers will have increasing access to the hardware at a low level as the generation goes on. API’s aren’t as restrictive.

          – It operates on an APU with no perceptible bottlenecks, they work together; right next to each other. There is no PCIE in between keeping data throughput lower.

          – Massively Increased Draw Calls.

          – System-specific modifications to primary hardware along with dedicated hardware for secondary/other functions.

          – Lightweight, less bloated OS.

          – Unified Memory Architecture which most importantly acts as a Unified Address Space. The same unique piece of data can be worked on by the CPU, GPU etc. without a need for duplicating within that ram pool or having to copy to another, slower ram pool.

          – Massively increased compute (GPGPU) functionality on the [PS4] GPU (64 [8x8] Compute Queues vs 4 [2x2] Compute Queues in PC cards).

          • webduelist

            efficiency does not always equal performance. Sure a PC has to throw a lot more resources at it to get where its going, but it also has a lot more of those resources to give. Similar to how a v8 drinks more gas but has more power than a 4 cylinder, they both get you to 60 mph but the v8 can still give you more, even tho its drinking more gas.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            You are entirely right. As PC game developers know a console is at least twice faster than a PC with similar hardware. Moreover, the PS4 has a custom GPU which is not available to PCs.

        • RyuNoHadouken

          i just bought an HP Phoenix with an i7-3770, 12gb ram, 2TB HDD w 16GB SSD cache drive, liquid cooled and an HD 7670…im new to PC gaming, so all this is stock…based on comments ive found online, im definitely gonna need to upgrade the graphics card…but how do i stack up with next gen gaming?

          • webduelist

            oh GTX 260 range, so not very well, everything looks pretty good but that HD 7670, its in the range or 4-5 years behind, so it probably ahead of the current gen, but next gen its about 3 years behind.

            Since your new I’m going to give you a few tips, first make sure that you Power Supply can handle a card, typically sites like newegg will tell you the recommend wattage your Power Supply should have for that GPU. Also even if the wattage is ok make sure it has the correct connectors and a pci – e 2.0 slot on the board.

          • RyuNoHadouken

            ok, thanks…the power supply it came with I know for sure is 600 watts…my budget will only allow for a $200 graphics card(unless i can convince my girl to give me $100 on top of that $200 so “we can stream hi-def content”…hehehehe)

          • RyuNoHadouken
      • RyuNoHadouken

        i just bought an HP Phoenix with an i7-3770, 12gb ram, 2TB HDD w 16GB SSD cache drive, liquid cooled and an HD 7670…im new to PC gaming, so all this is stock…based on comments ive found online, im definitely gonna need to upgrade the graphics card…but how do i stack up with next gen gaming?

        • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

          The HD 7670 is clearly below the PS4. Minimum would be a HD 7970, but probably will be outdated in one year. Several people recommend a HD 7990 as safe option.

          • RyuNoHadouken

            ok, thanks!!!!

          • RyuNoHadouken

            $1000!!!!!! ummm, ill pass….lol

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            I never understand why people would buy a super high end graphics card today to be “future proof” when it works out cheaper to go for mid-range today and upgrade in a year or two.

            People also forget to factor in the cost of electricity when going for the high end cards and multi-card configurations.

            In a year or two a brand new card is likely to be just as powerful as that high-end card was, use 1/3 the power and cost 1/10 of the price.

          • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

            Well I have given him both options. Buy now a top card or buy a medium-high and upgrade latter.

      • Gamer96

        Most people who game can reuse all the parts

  • Samad Majidi

    i believe Microsoft is getting ahead of its self with the new Xbox and with Blue-ray drive in both consoles i believe PS4 will beat Xbox this time

    http://www.technostop.net/xbox-one-vs-ps4-the-next-gen-console-war-begins/

  • Dustin Wagner

    I like how people keep claiming the PC still trounces its rivals. Sure it does, however that really wont play into the PC gaming market.

    Rather than making three different versions of games, to save costs and time you are going to see identical games brought out on all systems, with slightly different exclusive features for each console and the PC so that we are more likely to buy multiple copies.

    • RyuNoHadouken

      games are created on PC hardware, then ported and optimized for consoles…PC games will always look better when doing a side by side comparison of multiplats

  • WoodyHD

    “games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.” Wait a minute. You actually think PCs are ever going to fall behind. I laugh at you sir.

  • Luis Cueva

    Auxillary Power Unit?

  • OnlyWar

    PS4 is better

  • Johny Cage

    People have chose here http://www.xboxonevspsfour.com
    But i prefer xbox one and u ?

  • John Potato

    Games will “look better” on consoles for a few years? How would someone get such an idea? MY PC is 2 years old and the significantly better system for gaming. Unless they’re ported extremely bad, games will not “LOOK BETTER” on consoles. It will STAY the other way around.

    • mazty

      Does your PC have 6-7GB video memory?

      • Gamer96

        It’s not needed not even 3 monitor setups use more than 4 gbs of memory the ps3 will probably never use even less than half the 8 Gb for video and the ps4 is still at 720p so even less vram will be used

        • mazty

          lolwut. PS4 is 1080p dude. And the Shadowfall demo back in Feb used 3gb of RAM just for the graphics, google: inside Killzone Shadow Fall.

          • Gamer96

            No it is not the gpu can’t handle it like a decent PC gpu. BF4 on consoles was announced be 64 players and have 60 fps at 720P (not that it matters, shooters on aim assisted consoles lol) and 3gb lol where did you get that info from? your ass? That demo didn’t even look that good. And even if it did assuming you’re right what the fuck does it matter if it used 3Gb I’ve never needed more than the 2Gb of vram I have on crysis 3 1080P Very High texture settings

          • mazty

            Are you retarded? You’re webbed fingers stopping you from googling what I said? Idiot.

            That demo was easily on par with the best PC graphics today, more so that it’s a game that’s being released for Christmas. Well yes, why would Crysis 3 have textures that surpassed almost every graphics card VRAM limit? Keep flipping burgers at Wendy’s kid and keep your opinion off the internet because it’s a waste of everyone’s time.

            720p is really, really shit. I can’t see why they can’t aim for 1080p on the PS4 as it’s effectively a 7950 when optimisation is considered. But if they are just using the Xbone as the base console (7790), that would explain a lot.

          • Gamer96

            Kill zone shadow fall was running at 1080p yes but at 30fps like the developers said. And obviously it is well know that crysis 3 is one of the most demanding games out there and the textures are what takes up the vram. Stop spewing bullshit about how the ps4 is a 7950 equvulant because it is not. I swear you must jack off to the ps4 everyday if you are dense enough to think the consoles will be superior.That 200% 300% bs that you guys are talking about is not true if it was ps3 would still be on par with pcs. And flipping burgers are you kidding me just because I’m stating my opinions proving you wrong you have to talk about me as if you know me lmao you don’t know me I’m a dual enrolled student in high school and college with a major in computer science.

          • mazty

            The frame rate doesn’t change that it was using 3GB of video memory, something you denied PS4 games would be using.

            http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen

            It is a 7950 equivalent when you factor in console optimisation. I know thats difficult for you to fathom, being retarded and all, but I’m going to go with the pros on this rather than some whiny idiot on the internet.

            Superior? Since when the was the 7950 better than the 7970? Or the GTX 670? What does any of that have to do with the PS3? Are you drunk, stupid, or mentally challenged?

            Aw don’t have a tantrum because I’ve proven you wrong time & again. Oo a major in computer science. So instead of flipping burgers you’ll be that mildly autistic, socially awkward outcast stuck in the basement of a small firm for 30 years, dreaming about what it’d feel like to touch a woman. Keep it up kid, you’re a total joke.

          • Gamer96

            It’s funny that you act like you know what you are talking about and try to go low just because you are a sorry fool who has run out of things to say. And you obviously can’t follow what I’m saying that I’m using current gen as an example of your bs. Keep on wishing that your console will be all powerful. And you clearly know nothing about computer science if that’s all you think of it. Im done talking to a fool, bye

          • mazty

            I’m clearly the fool because I’ve given you links proving all your points to be crap. Current gen has nothing to do with the next-gen because the hardware is different, and your point is also retarded. Since when is the power of the HD 7950 “all powerful”? You really aren’t all that bright are you?
            Computer science is a good subject, however you’re an idiot with a bad attitude which generally means you’re not going to be riding a whirlwind of success through life. Enjoy, you deserve what you get.

          • Gamer96

            Yes from what one or two devs said. And yes clearly what you say will be my future is what it will become… not. And you are right I got what I deserved my college paid for

          • Gamer96

            it is not a 7950 it is like a 6870 you are giving more credit than credit due because you are a FANBOY yea and damn my life like you have any say because I pissed you off Oh and guess what bf4 is confirmed to run way better on pc by ign (central news for console fanboys) and tom Clancy the division and your argument for the ps3 being cheaper in the long run is invalid because you have to pay $50 a year for online and you pay a lot more for games

          • Singh1699

            Ehh. Pc better 5 dollar steam sales for last year games op

            Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.

          • Gamer96

            Oh yea metro the last light for $19.99 while still $60 on consoles or when black ops 2 came out $30 for digital deluxe(came with cod 5 FREE and other stuff) $15 bf3 with premium $5 humble bundle for 7 AAA titles including newer games like dead space 3. Tomb Raider 2013 for $14, bought just cause two awhile ago $2 but on pc has online mp mod, gta 4 complete colletion $6 (pc has mods), got assasins creed 3 on release FREE with my graphics card metro 2033 FREE from nvida facebook page, bfbc2 and crysis FREE from origin other F2P games that are actually good there are many more I personally bought but other great deals like the THQ humble bundle more AAA titles, Dead island riptide durring the summer sale(near it’s release) was $19.99. also pc has way better and more indie games. obviously their are tons and tons of games I didn’t list

          • Gamer96

            games go one sale after like one month

          • Gamer96

            Games go on sale after like one month for around $40 sometimes crazy low like $19.99 and if they go on sale again it will be a lower price steam has sales every week. 75% off more or less

    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      The GPU in the PS4 is around the same specifications as the majority of budget-conscious PC gamers. So of course it will look better than a PC of that specification, the PS4 is far more optimised than a PC.

      Will they look better than a top of the range PC? Probably not. But you are talking about graphics cards which cost almost as much as the PS4 itself so that is hardly a fair comparison. The running cost of a PC like that is huge, you could probably power the PS4 off the thermal output of a PC like that.

  • gerry

    __question for anyone who might know__

    with both ps4 and xb1; you have to pay to play games online. this simple fact on its own, seperate of all the other arguments is a total deal breaker. why would youhave to pay to play online? consoles AND pc’s have been gaming online for free for years? where is this charge coming from?

    [ im presuming its just grabbin €'s, but i often miss things. is there actually a good reason they are charging you to play online?]

    • Mitchings

      Because it’s an ongoing, unified service.

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        Exactly. I NEVER game online on PC, because all my friends are on Xbox 360 (likely to move to PS4) and its so easy to use. The progress on EVERY game is tied together with achievements, cross-game chat. Being able to pop on to xbox.com and compare achievements, etc, its just a nicer experience.

        Even on Steam not all games have achievements and just because a game is on Steam doesn’t mean it seamlessly uses your Steam friends list. Every game starts off on its own, Steam is just slapped on top. But PSN and Xbox Live are seamlessly integrated into the games themselves.

        I find it bizarre that people are willing to pay for sattelite/cable TV but complain about having to pay the tiny fee for Xbox Live.

  • Daniel

    a computer will always be better than console hands down

    • jockster1000

      I find that interesting because my pc cost £1800 and 6 months old yet none of the gpu demos compare to halo 4 on 360 which is 8 years old.

      • mazty

        Are you blind? Go run Heaven benchmark and stop being ignorant. A £1800 6 month old PC will annihilate the existing consoles and even next-gen.

        • Alex_Atkin_UK

          Which Heaven benchmark did you have in mind as I haven’t seen any that come close to some of the stuff I saw at the Sony conference.

          • mazty

            The only Heaven benchmark…You clearly have no idea what is out there. The Heaven benchmark is on par with PS4 graphics and A New Dawn is superior. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll probably get a PS4, but it’s not cutting edge graphics at all.

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            My mistake, I got my memories crossed thinking all the Unigine benchmarks were prefixed Heaven. What I meant was that I haven’t seen a single Unigine demo that blew me away like The Dark Sorcerer technical demo for PS4. They are just too stale and boring, because they are plain benchmarks rather than technical demos (which have to be entertaining rather than just push the hardware).

            Technically the PS4 is far from the best PC technology, that is unquestionable fact. Its also far more efficient though so can pull of better graphics than the specifications would suggest.

            Could the PC do better? Absolutely. Does it? Not yet. Games frequently max out your PC without really having much to show for it, because they hit bottlenecks in the PC and developers haven’t been pushing Direct X 11. Just look at how many people with insane SLI configurations moan about games performing worse than with SLI turned off. Because power hungry PC gamers are a tiny minority so developers cannot put the effort in required to fully cater to them.

            Now Xbox One/PS4 should help there by encouraging developers to target much newer GPUs rather than focusing on current consoles so much that the PC versions miss out on most of what the newer GPUs have to offer. However I don’t think the difference is going to be night/day any time soon, as with PS4 games pushing 1080p at 60fps, where can the PC version pull ahead and REALLY make a difference? Probably more relevant for multi-monitor/4K configurations.

            Sure, later on when developers start pushing PS4 so hard they have to target 30fps, then PCs will have the edge again maintaining 60fps. But how much that bothers you depends a lot on the game, and it means nothing if you are missing out on PS4 exclusives.

            The fact remains that the PS4 GPU is around the spot that many PC gamers have today. Its literally the “sweet spot” for cost to performance ratio. But with its optimised architecture it can pull of things a PC with those specifications can only dream of. When you are getting graphics worthy of a PC costing double or triple the price of the PS4, I don’t think that is something to moan about. Especially as unlike PC I can rent games, borrow them from friends, things which are core to many console gamers and reasons they might choose a console over PC.

          • mazty

            Well firstly you need to address the point of a benchmark – it’s to benchmark a system, not give you the same “wow” factor as found in E3 demos. I can guarantee you that A New Dawn is far more technically advanced than anything found on the 8th gen consoles and the same goes for FaceWorks, the latter being made for Titan.

            Oh I know it can pull off better graphics – digital foundry estimates that the 7870 in the PS4 will more likely function somewhere around a 7950. Nevertheless, that’s still a step behind the 7970 and beyond.

            Does the PC do better? Absolutely. Go check out Last Light. Go check out even Metro 2033 maxed out. I feel that you haven’t much experience with PC games – Crysis 3 even will push graphics to their limits. Your SLI comments aren’t true – many games perform better in SLI.

            You forget that your average $150 GPU is far better than the PS360, therefore if a game is going to be put on PC, generally the graphics are noticeably improved for the PC. Heck, that was even done with Just Cause 2 years ago.

            That is one of the good things about next-gen consoles that the overall visual quality of games will be greatly improved because at the moment almost everything is DX9, but there are still some hard hitting DX11 games out there.

            I agree the PS4 is brilliant value for money, but if we’re to be honest, it isn’t technically pushing any boundaries that a good PC (~$800) won’t be capable of achieving.

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            I don’t forget the current graphics card is far better than PS360, I specifically said MY current graphics card is around PS4 level. I am not referring to PS360 at all because they are ages old hardware, no comparison. Although its still impressive what they get out of the limited hardware, no PC with those kind of GPUs would come close.

            But when I originally bought GTA IV on Xbox 360 an affordable PC graphics card didn’t run it much better visually, then last year when I upgraded my PC to the current affordable card it absolutely trounced Xbox 360 on GTA IV – not even counting what the game can do with mods. The same will happen again, initially the difference will be minimal and later it will be huge, this is just normal.

            Also I didn’t say no games benefit from SLI, I said there are a lot of complaints of games that don’t.

            All I’m saying is that while its not pushing any boundaries that a good PC “can’t” do, it IS pushing the boundaries of what PC games are generally doing today. I still expect it to be a few years before the gap becomes obvious, on affordable PC hardware.

          • mazty

            Dude, GTA 4 is known to be one of the worst console ports ever done for the PC…Using that as a benchmark is a really bad idea.

            Most mainstream games do support SLI.

            Well yes, but that’s because PC games tend to just get the DX9 version that’s on the console and only a handful of devs bother to use the power available to them granted by good GPUs. The gap is already obvious – most enthusiast cards are kicking out 40+ fps at 2560 x 1600 resolution with AA on top of that.

            I’m fine with the power of the consoles to be honest. It’ll certainly help raise the bottom line expected graphics of games to DX11 which has been needed for years.

          • Gamer96

            It still looks better on pc

          • mazty

            I never said it didn’t, but it’s a really, really poor example of looking at the potential power PC’s have.

          • Gamer96

            Yes true

      • Gamer96

        Thats a lie lol

        • jockster1000

          No it ain’t tried heavan demo on the pc and was not at all impressed compared with console games such as Halo 4 or Forza. Pc gamers are just deluded ;)

          • Gamer96

            Well then you have a shitty over priced pc. simple

  • DatGuy

    With the DRM checks, the xbox one SHOULD sell their games at a lower price, since they know that the game cannot be re-sold without paying Microsoft directly.

    But we all know how greedy Microsoft can be.. So there is every chance they will sell them at the same price anyways.

    • Dustin Horne

      Err… Microsoft isn’t “selling” the games or mandating that they be priced at $60. That would be up to the publishers and retailers.

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        True, but considering they are forcing us into a licensing our games rather than owning them outright, I agree they should be cheaper.

        • Dustin Horne

          Again, Microsoft isn’t forcing anything. They just made it an option for publishers to do if they choose. Now, I don’t like it, but they did it. That being said, really this only aligns the console with the PC market in how game purchases are handled. Most all PC games require a license key and it’s hard to sell used PC games. But, PC games are also $10+ cheaper… so if any publisher decides to go down that route, they better drop the price of their games.

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            Yes they are, if the console has to be online every 24 hours or your games stop working that is out of my control. If Microsoft decide to drop the service, not a single game will work on Xbox One from that day. It might not be an issue today, but if I want to play an Xbox One game in say 15 years time there are no guarantees I could even if I had a working console.

            Microsoft compromised in that you can transfer the “license” of a game ONCE. However every other console including the PS4 you can transfer the game ownership as many times as you want, because its based on the physical disc being present in the console not some DRM license in the cloud.

            Steam has the same issue to some extent, except as PCs always remain backwards compatible its mostly a none-issue. Even there I won’t buy games full price, I buy them on sale to compensate for my lost freedom. Then there is Humble Bundle where I have been able to pick up several games DRM free.

            So Xbox One is literally the ONLY system making this unreasonable restriction.

          • RyuNoHadouken

            dont buy it…im not…i have a highly customized HP Phoenix, Wii U and pre-ordered my PS4 yesterday…im set for this gen of gaming

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            I will probably get one “eventually” for Forza 5, although that depends a lot on if they pull the BS of not allowing me to use a USB racing wheel like they did on 360.

            This mandatory stuff however HAS made the decision that PS4 will be my primary console this gen, after Xbox 360 being my primary console previously and Xbox prior to that.

          • Dustin Horne

            The 24-hour checking is kind of separate… it’s used for validating authenticity of games, which won’t matter if the publishers don’t require the licensing… but it’s unclear what other ramifications… will the whole console stop working? It appears so, which I agree with you is a big mistake on Microsoft’s part.
            The ownership transfer is another interesting topic… I think this only applies for someone who has been on your friends list for a specific period of time so it’s pretty crappy but better than nothing. None of the services allow you to transfer digital purchases (unless XB1 allows it for digital purchases as well).
            As for physical media, the ownership transfer will ONLY be applicable if the publisher decides to utilize / enforce it. If publishers don’t jump on board then it won’t happen and you’ll be able to buy/sell/trade all you want.
            I think adding the feature was a mistake, but it was a marketing play for Microsoft. I think they saw the trend with some publishers like Ubisoft and EA (even though they rolled it back) attempting to do the same thing. They likely saw it as an opportunity to get more exclusive games by offering the publishers a way to get recurring profits.
            Again, I don’t agree with the policy, but I’m saying that it isn’t Microsoft that will make the decision on whether or not the capability is leveraged.

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            Its up to the publisher if they allow used game sales, but its NOT up to the publisher if you can trade privately. You get ONE private trade per physical disc, that is mandated by Microsoft and I don’t agree with it. I should be able to rent or lend a physical disc from/to anyone I want with no restrictions.

            Even if the publishers do not restrict second hand sales, the place you sell it to still are required to do some unknown procedure in order to unlock the license of a game disc so they can sell the disc to a new user. That means all second-hand game shops require access to the Internet. That’s fine for the big chains, but smaller stores won’t necessarily have Internet access in-store. Its going to be a huge hassle for example if you are a market stall.

            I have no immediate plans to pick up Xbox One as they haven’t even mentioned anything about racing wheels for Forza 5 yet, I will be getting PS4. But it doesn’t mean I won’t complain about Xbox One as Microsoft need to know they have converted me from a huge Xbox fan into a Playstation one by this behaviour.

          • ikari_paul

            Ms has to give us a guarantee that the servers will be up 15,20,30,40+ years from now, or else why spend money on rented games and console?

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            I don’t know about you, but for me NO guarantee would ever be good enough.

            No company is going guarantee anything further than “we will endeavour to keep the service running as long as possible”. Most companies also have clauses like “we reserve the right to do whatever the hell we want as long as we give you 30 days notice”.

            Even if they DID guarantee, that doesn’t force them legally to comply with that promise. If they pulled out of the market they could probably say something like “that division of the company no longer exists so we aren’t obligated to continue the service”.

            The ONLY guarantee you can depend on is them NOT including the ability to revoke your ability to boot the game from disc in the first place.

          • ikari_paul

            thats true. no company can give a 100% guarantee that they will still be in business 20 years from now. The way surface and the winphone bombed, and more & more people buying tablets instead of computers, m$ might be irrelevant, not around in 20 years.

            that said, they can at least give us the guarantee that, if they were to shut down the servers, they would release an update removing mandatory updates (that’s would be easy for them).

            i certainly wont commit to a machine/platform, spend 500$ on the console, +1000$ on games, while risking that in 10-15 years time they’re just a doorstop.
            I wont buy into the platform under these circumstances, but you can do whatever you want with your money.

            ps: ill bet dollars to doughnuts that the machine will be hacked and a windows emulator will appear in a few years, but that’s not the same

          • ikari_paul

            Mandatory logins are not “optional”.

          • Dustin Horne

            I don’t think you’ve read or digested all of the comments. I’m specifically referring to publishers implementing licenses that stop you from reselling the game (or at least stop you from buying a used game without buying an additional license). The mandatory logins are a separate issue and I don’t particularly like them. My xbox is connected to the internet 99.9% of the time so it won’t affect me, but if I were to lose internet for > 24hrs and I was no longer able to use the xbox then I’d be pretty upset.

      • ikari_paul

        True. But they have to promote frequent sales and try actively to have publishers participating in them, like what Valve does with steam. If the x1 doesnt have sales, then really dont see a reason to go with. Not going to give up used games and offline play, if i in return dont get discounted games. Thats what i, and a lot of people, feel

        • Dustin Horne

          I fully agree. There has to be some kind of compensation for the paradigm shift if they want anyone to be on board with it.

  • ryanbodker

    my two year old gtx 570 is better than the gpu in the consoles
    coming out 6 months from now…fail.

    • mazty

      In terms of raw power, yes, but when you take optimisation into account, the PS4 is more likely to be performing at the level of a HD 7950, whilst having 6GB of video memory (maybe 7). Is that better than a high end PC? Of course not, but the PS4 costs only $399. For that price, it’s a pretty decent setup.

      • Gamer96

        LOL you wish where do people pull bs out there ass about the power of the consoles at best it will perform like a 7850 and by the end of its life a 7870

        • mazty

          The PS4 has a 7870 in it – how the hell, with console optimisation considered, will it perform like an inferior card?? You don’t actually know the PS4 specs do you?

          • Gamer96

            Yea I do know the specs as much as they put out which isn’t much but from what I can tell it is most deffiently not a 7870 which is 2.56 Tflops you are crediting the ps4 with .56Tflops more than it has which is 78% more than what it actually has the ps4 is exactly like a 6870 you know nothing obviously and I bet you are a little dissapointed fan boy preaching the superiority of the ps4 and recently it was announced to use 3.5 Gb of ram for the os yea FUCK YOU

    • Mitchings

      Ermmm, yeah….No. No it doesn’t.

      And that doesn’t even take into account low level access, a fixed platform specification, the compute capabilities and HSA.

    • eric

      I have the exact same card. It is more powerful, but all of the unified stuff in those consoles does make them better. Not by much though. GTX 570 is still benchmarked #12 top card on the market still? I don’t plan on upgrading for a while.

    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      Except its always been the case on PC you need hardware many times more powerful than the consoles to get “the same” results. Because on console they optimise to that specific hardware, get every last drop of performance out of it.

      PCs waste a HUGE chunk of their performance on the generic OS, drivers and game code that has to adapt to millions of different hardware combinations.

      My PC has around the same GPU power as the PS4 and wipes the floor with its CPU, but I will be stunned if Watch Dogs runs anywhere near as well on it as the PS4.

      • Gamer96

        I don’t think so my GTX 660 is more powerful than the consoles and can run most games on max settings 60 fps and it only cost $190 now ($230 when I got it)

        • Alex_Atkin_UK

          The GTX 660 is what I have too and unless I am mistaken its approximately the same power as the PS4 GPU. We must be running different games as mine drops below 30fps on top settings on many games.

          Granted the PS4 does a lot more GPGPU than most PC games, but its also more efficient and has greater memory bandwidth than a GTX 660. Not having to copy data from system memory to GPU memory (because its the same) is a huge advantage on PS4 too.

          GPGPU can be quite limiting on PC as you have to move the data over PCIe from system RAM, work on it, then move it BACK to system RAM. That is extremely inefficient.

          • Gamer96

            What games are you play and at what resolution because all of mine are fine and actually the gtx 660 has more teraflops than the ps4

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            The GTX 660 has around 1.86TFLOPs (the OEM had 2.2, it seems the retail version got downgraded a bit), like the PS4. It has slightly less memory bandwidth than PS4 too but that should equal out with the CPU using the same memory on PS4.

            While some of that GPU power will be used for GPGPU to offset for the weaker CPU, its far more efficient on unified memory so I don’t think that will hit on the graphics as it doesn’t have PCIe to slow it down and developers can code around any limitations, you can’t on PC because every PC has different weaknesses depending on their unique configuration.

            I still believe it will perform, as a whole, better than a PC with a GTX 660. Its always been the case that consoles push more out of less hardware than a PC can because developers don’t have to worry about different configurations.

            Saints Row 3 runs very nicely on the 660 but it does not maintain a solid 60fps by a long shot. Although it sounds like that is an exception to the rule, probably due to it having a HUGE draw distance and very detailed textures.

            It seems you were right though, looking around at benchmarks it seems some sites use the hardest games which give sub 60fps on the 660, but others just use popular games where many run above 60fps. It seems I have been focusing on the harder ones.

            The point is though, on console there won’t be that discrepancy. If a game runs higher than 60fps they will push the graphics that bit harder or lock vsync, if it runs too far below they will optimise until it hits 60fps average or decide to target 30fps and push the graphics even harder. That is the beauty of consoles vs PC, the developer knows exactly how it will run on every PS4 out there, so they can tweak it until its exactly how they want it.

          • Gamer96

            I agree but it will take time for the developers to get a lot out of the console and by that time I will have upgraded probably to a gtx 770 and actually the oem version is usually the weaker card in benchmarks and the teraflops are the same I am sure of it and the clock speed is raised a lot in the non oem

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            It seems with the GTX 660 they dropped some shader cores on the retail unit (960 vs 1152 on OEM) but increased the clock rate.

            Based on what I can find online it meant it bumped up the memory bandwidth my 10GB/s but still came out lower in overall TFLOPs. Its hard to say if that means its better or worse for gaming performance, its the nature of only having TFLOPs to go on which do not tell the big picture.

  • Ron Stevens

    You’re leaving a whole lot out when it gets to comparing it to a PC.

    You gloss over the fact that the programming is going to be different but don’t really give enough info.

    AMD has been trying to push HSA Parallel processing for some years now. But Intel’s dominance in the market has resulted in more of an adaptation in their favor. HOWEVER with this console the programmers will completely utilize AMD’s more advanced technologies. It will finally demonstrate how innovative AMD actually is. However because of Intel’s market dominance it’s been neglected from a programming stand point.

    As is normally the case, it’s not the raw numbers but what you do with it. These jaguar APUs are going to blow the market away when released for tablets come winter.. Just wait.

  • tosh

    What was Microsoft thinking with Xbox one they have the most fans and mostly the best games thanks to the hard architecture of ps3 they should have stuck to what they where good at instead of alienating loyal fans almost seems like there console was way behind sonys and was rushed was meant to have gddr4.

  • Tim

    A good question is why would you WANT to use an Xbox game controller with a PC game? Mice and keyboards offer far more flexibility in my opinion.

    • mazty

      Enjoy playing Dark Souls or a racing game with a keyboard and mouse.

    • eric

      i have a 360 troller for my PC, but hardly use it. Still nice to have though, almost all games on steam have the troller option. The tony hawk hd remake is epic with the troller. almost impossible to play without.

    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      Is a keyboard/mouse best for platform games? Nope.
      Is it remotely useful for racing games? Not at all.
      Is it optimal for FPS? Still no, as an analog stick for movement and mouse for aiming is far more precise.

      WASD effectively is digital, you have little flexibility in how you move, analog is far preferable and precise. As for realism, Playstation Move/Wii Mote/Light Gun is far closer to a real gun and requires you to be more accurate. A mouse tends to be easier as you don’t have to hold your arm steady.

      The only benefit a keyboard has is that everyone with a PC owns one and the sheer number of keys. However a well designed game should scale perfectly well to a controller (most do thanks to needing to port to consoles).

      Probably the only thing a keyboard and mouse is perfect for is strategy games and MMOs. Even then the games could be adapted to work and be more comfortable with a controller.

      • Bob

        Agreed. I have a gaming PC and I always use an Xbox controller, I personally dislike keyboards/mice for gaming.

        • Alex_Atkin_UK

          Even though I plan to get a PS4 I may get an Xbox One controller for my PC if its more comfortable than the Xbox 360 one.

          • Bob

            It’s exactly the same controller lol. You just get one of those PC receivers.

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            There are a LOT of differences between the Xbox One and the Xbox 360 controller. Most notably the triggers are shaped around your fingers so they shouldn’t dig in when you are squeezing them for prelonged periods (eg racers). Also the battery compartment is built-in so your fingers shouldn’t get cramped round the back like they did on 360 wireless controllers.

            I’m not convinced making the analog sticks more loose is a good thing, but supposedly the dead zone is smaller too so it might work.

            To be fair, I always found the original chunky Xbox controller comfortable, it just got more cramped when they shrank it down. But I accept it hard to make a controller that is comfortable for all hand sizes.

            Even if it turns out worse than the 360 controller its probably going to still be better than the PS4 one (for comfort not features). But thankfully its looking like the PS4 controller might be the first Sony controller that won’t cramp my hands, although until I feel it for myself I can’t be sure.

          • Bob

            My bad, I didn’t see Xbox one. I thought you said the Xbox 360 controller for PC was different than the one for Xbox 360.

        • ikari_paul

          It really depends on the game. Persoanlly, i hate to play FPS’s on a pad, cant stand it. And RTS. And MMORPG… But sports titles need a pad. Really depends on the genre your playing

    • Gamer96

      Racing games

    • ikari_paul

      FIFA, any sports title, or puzzle

  • mazty

    You forget the difference in RAM speed. The Xbox One is rated at around 68,000MB/s, whereas the PS4 is rated at around 176,000MB/s. Is this important? Yes, because the PS4 can use it for graphics memory, and even the Titan doesn’t offer 8GB of memory. The PS4 doesn’t just have the edge, it hammers the Xbox one into the ground.

    • Gamer96

      its shared ram so cpu and gpu have to share that 8Gb and the bandwith. also no game uses more than 4Gb of vram even when using a triple monitor setup and the titan has 6Gb

      • mazty

        Well as the PS4 is spec static, it’ll allow devs to use much larger textures.

  • erock

    Is 8gb enough memory? I’m scared to buy the ps4 for running out of memory, then what?

    • eric

      the 8gb is for the ram. WHich it has a more updated ram than the xbox one. both had 500gb hard drives with ps4s being upgradable. 8gb ram is the norm for gaming now, and gddr5 is about 33% faster than the ddr3 in the xbox one.

      • Gamer96

        The xbox one has both ddr3 and gddr5. ddr3 being for the cpu and gddr5 for the gpu like all gpus these days the benefit from that is that they don’t have to share the bandwidth of the ram

        • Alex_Atkin_UK

          No it doesn’t, it has 32MB of eDRAM on the GPU and 8GB of DDR3 for the system.

          That is FAR trickier to work with than a single unified 8GB of GDDR5, although a good developer should be able to make it work just as well for the most part. However the PS4 also has a more powerful GPU, so all bets are off.

          • Gamer96

            I’m comparing it mostly to pc’s I’m a pc person and I think it’s funny that console fan boys who have never played pc games think that the consoles will have superior graphics

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            Fair point, although you WILL need a PC costing more than PS4/Xbox One to pull off the same graphics, that is normal.

            Sure a top of the range PC will kick the consoles to the curb, but then the graphics card alone costs as much as a PS4. That is before you consider the noise and electricity consumption.

            One reason people like consoles is they are generally quiet. The Xbox 360 was a bit of an anomaly there as I ended up having to put it in a different room to my TV and run a long HDMI cable because it was annoyingly noisy. I’m not expecting PS4/Xbox One to be that bad.

          • Gamer96

            the ps3 and xbox 360 were the loudest computers I have ever heard my pc is whisper quite at full fan speeds

          • Gary Leadbeater

            the xbox one has 32MB of ESRAM not EDRAM

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            Right, although for the sake of the argument it doesn’t matter what type of RAM it is, its still more complex than plain unified GDDR5.

  • Tyler

    The xbox just seems to expensive to justify it versus the pc, but the multitasking thing looks great… and I really do love the social aspect.

  • Murth

    How much would a PC with the same specs cost, only taking the hardware into account?

    • Gamer96

      like $500

    • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

      The hardware is custom and cannot buy it in a PC store. But a PC with similar performance will cost more than $1200.

      • Murth

        I obviously meant similar performance, just didnt want the costs of software included :p

  • ysonera

    Just wanted to point out that the XBOX 360 does NOT use a “Cell-based” CPU. PS3 and XBOX 360 are both PowerPC based CPUs but only the PS3 uses the Cell architecture. The XBOX360 used a more conventional PPC based CPU which made things a lot easier for programmers than PS3.

  • Articulation

    Specs look pretty promising for now but they will age very fast, as usual. Sadly I don’t think these will come too close to a decent PC build from within the last few years, but at $400-$500 I don’t think you could really expect them to.

    • StringZero

      Well, with a PC, you can do a little deal searching and overclocking and put together a pretty nice gaming PC for about as much as an XBone.

      I managed to get a self-contained liquid cooler, radeon 7850, a decent AMD 8 core, a 17 inch display (not bad, not great), 16GB of memory, 2 TB of storage, and a pretty nice, roomy mid-tower case… For just under 600 USD. Newegg deals and ebay hunting for the win!

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        Which gives you a PC around the same power as the PS4.

        The difference being that console games are tweaked to max out the hardware, PC games can’t be as they have to automatically adjust to millions of configurations. So that PC is not going to run the same game as well as the PS4 would.

        Of course there are other benefits to PC gaming, but when it comes to graphics you would have to spend a lot more than the cost of Xbox One to beat it, for now. Of course that is unlikely to remain the case for long, in a year or two that is unlikely to be the case but then the price of the consoles may also have come down by then.

    • Don_06

      Im quite sure both will off load some of the processing to the cloud in the near future. I guess people with better quality connections will be fine.

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        I think they are exaggerating just how much they CAN do with the cloud.

        Most of the hard work in a console is real time stuff which cannot be sent over the Internet quick enough to offload to cloud computing. Its more likely to be things like what Forza 5 is doing, and neat little things like real-life weather conditions.

        But “the cloud” then would just be a fancy way of saying “it checks the weather forecast”. Still technically accurate, but nothing they couldn’t have done on current hardware. (by the very nature of it being cloud based, they could)

  • FaggitShit

    enhanced definition tube tv
    vs 4k $7000 tv
    that’s a smaller difference than a cheap a$$ console with a crappy laptop gpu and an ipad cpu (that’s whats inside the ps4 and the xbox1…literally)
    vs.
    a high end gaming machine that can game in 2560×1600 with 16x anti aliasing
    next gen consoles don’t even look close to a high end rig from 2010, let alone the hardware out today
    anyone who thinks a $400 toy is going to even stand close to a gaming pc is moron

  • brightshadow1989

    Thanks for the comparison. It was utterly exquisite. Finally some in depth insightful research contrasting the otherwise very superficial and incomplete raw hardware stats comparisons you can read elsewhere.

  • sansom

    “overall memory bandwidth is comparable between the two systems” Huh??? Um… no it’s not. Total size maybe, but bandwidth? There’s a huge difference. The GPU and GDDR5 of the PS4 are about 33% faster then the One.

    • Dustin Horne

      Except XB1 has an additional block of fast cache memory available which will mitigate a portion of that.

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        Only if a developer optimises their code for that cache memory and that only makes up for having slower RAM, not having less GPU cores.

        I think we will find a lot of multi-platform titles that maybe look the same on both consoles but have a MUCH smoother frame rate on PS4. I have already read a few people suggesting that Watch Dogs already looks more polished on PS4 than Xbox One, although its impossible to know if they are comparable builds of the game code. It will be interesting to see at launch.

        • Dustin Horne

          Maybe but it’s all speculative at this point. For all we know, Microsoft has customized the xbox core to automatically take advantage of that cache memory when necessary. We know the architecture but not the underlying platform so it’s really tough to make a call.
          As for framerate smoothness, this is going to depend on how hard developers push the limits. If one game is running at 100fps and the other at 80fps, the difference will not be perceptible, so long as the framerate doesn’t ever drop too far below 60.
          I personally think the consoles will be capable of more than we’ll actually see. New features such as hardware tessellation and increased RAM will definitely help and we’re going to definitely see better graphics, but what we should see more of is better AI and effects. Developers already spend years developing some of these great titles and higher poly art assets, better bigger texture support, etc are going to require more time to implement. At some point they have to weigh the cost / profit and decide just how far they want to push it.

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            There is no way a console game is going to be running more than 60fps. There is just no good reason to have GPU power going to waste like that unless its a multi-platform game that runs 60fps on Xbox One so might end up running higher than that on PS4.

            Even then I think they would up the graphical detail instead of wasting the additional power. The only reason games run so high on PC is the sheer fact they AREN’T pushing the PCs to their limits, because the game has to scale down to much less powerful PCs and deal with the potential that someone is running at higher than 1080p, or running dual/triple monitors. Its just not possible to always max out every single PC configuration.

            That is why I like consoles, because most developers will always try to get the most out of the system. While the PC team are trying to fix compatibility with every PC configuration, the console team are optimising to squeeze every last drop of performance out of the consoles.

          • Dustin Horne

            That really depends. I’m not sure how the engines are constructed… they may be doing all of their rendering on a fixed step or using vsync and thus maxing it at 60 fps, but running > 60 fps and rendering > fps are also two different things. Let’s set aside for a second multithreaded tasks and just think about the process… They may be limiting their Render to a max of 60 fps, however there may be update steps (games run technically in a rapid loop) running more than 60 times per second. Depending on how well the developers optimize… the game itself could easily be CPU bound.
            Things like dynamic level of detail are things that often times have been CPU bound… for instance, terrain mashes are made more complex close to the camera and invisible areas are culled away. The same goes with 3D models, where often times higher resolution models are swapped in when they get close to the camera. Things like tessellation which I mentioned help with this because more of the work can be done on the GPU with less complexity. Less need for swapping in higher resolution models when texture maps can be used to do distance based refinement on the GPU.
            Now, PCs do have some issues… they are much more powerful and capable of much more than consoles, but consoles are doing things that PCs aren’t such as offering a direct pipe (APU) between the processor and the graphics card. They’re able to throw larger textures and perform more texture swapping than PCs because they have less overhead in the communication between the CPU and the GPU.
            Graphically I think we’ll see very little difference between the XB1 and the PS4. I think developers are going to concentrate more on better physics simulations, AI, and just the sheer volume of characters and objects they can have in the game. RAM is definitely going to be beneficial but in the end, the CPU is still going to be the bottleneck for the consoles as they’ll be doing more processing on more objects.

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            I would have thought you wouldn’t really want the engine running faster than the output, its how you end up with the controls out of sync with the picture. For example if you are aiming and pushing in a direction, it could register twice in the engine but only gets to display the change once, so you end up missing your target.

            Still, I don’t pretend to understand all the intricacies of game engines so accept there may be cases where this is exactly how it works.

          • Dustin Horne

            It really depends on what you’re doing, but many times you want to do things multi-threaded, so really things like physics and AI might be operating on a separate (but similar) schedule. They will update as quickly as they can, as many times per second and the render process will be based on whatever the current data is for that “frame”.
            Another good example is multiplayer stuff. Your frames aren’t exactly timed with those of your opponents… So, there may be a separate process that’s running, or running more than 60fps that’s keeping your client instance in sync with your opponents, so when they move, or shoot, or whatever they do, those events get propagated to you. Then, when you hit your rendering frame, your instance knows exactly what to display because it knows what your opponents did.
            That’s probably an overly simplified explanation, but there are plenty of times when you’d want things to be running outside of the normal render cycle. There’s a lot of computation that goes on that goes far beyond the output step. Even on PCs, CPUs haven’t kept up with GPUs. When you do things like run two cards in SLI, it’s not necessarily that the video card isn’t powerful enough… it’s many times just the fact that you’ve maxed out the pipeline for how much data and how quickly you can send to a single card.

  • nalberg

    XBox1 is running three OS’s at all times!… I read that 3 of the 8 gigs of memory is dedicated completely to the OS’s (so you can swap between games and tv/whatever really fast) …. From your prior articles: “OSes are permanently switched on and constantly rendering their video output, to enable instant switching/snapping between games and apps/TV.”
    which.. if true… is gonna really hurt its gaming output.

    • nalberg

      O… plus.. Xbox1 needs an extra USB3 on the back for your external hard-drive you will have to buy… because you cannot swap out the hard drive on the Xbox1.

      • webduelist

        give me a hammer I will show you how to swap out a hard drive.

      • timetomarket

        Don’t worry if the Xbox 1 is really running on Window’s heritage software the same core vulnerabilities can be used to let you install windows 7/8/server possibly on the console. Inversely there is a possibility that if Microsoft uses DirectX and a number of windows only APIs for the gaming side of things people may be able to emulate Xbox One games on a PC due to the high similarity in hardware and software.

        This is likely why there is the always online checks and required kinect (DRM). It makes it harder when you have to talk to a server and present some hardware that a PC typically doesn’t have and even the PC version would be IDed differently. (The cable for the new kinect is also proprietary)

        • Alex_Atkin_UK

          I doubt emulation will happen, the original Xbox only got Halo emulated and that had its security hacked wide open.

          Xbox One more than likely has a trusted computing chip. All traffic on the motherboard will be encrypted, I can’t see it getting hacked any time soon and emulating all that would be insanely hard.

          You also have to bear in mind that the bottlenecks in a PC are completely different to Xbox One. Just because you have a PC many times more powerful than Xbox One, doesn’t mean you can emulate one. There are memory bandwidths and latencies that can mean its still not powerful enough.

          This is one of the reasons it took so long to get PS2 emulation working properly. Its relatively low powered hardware but its memory bandwidth was HUGE compared to PC. There is more to emulating a machine than merely the CPU and GPU instructions.

      • ikari_paul

        Are they going with standard harddrives, or will we have to buy proprietary hdd’s, considering m$ is greedy? I still remember the overpriced proprietary harddrives of the 360… Shudder

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        Why does it need an extra USB3 on the back? What else do you plan to use the existing two on the back for?

        Nobody in their right mind is going to want to be fishing around the back of the console to plug controllers in, that is what the one on the side is for. Plus as save games are in the cloud now, so you shouldn’t need to carry your profile around on a USB stick any more. So the only logical use for the back ones are stationary HDDs, Kinect has its own port.

        If anything it needs an extra one on the side so you can plug in two controllers more easily. Of course two on the front would have made more sense, but I’m guessing they put it on the side to ensure people do not block the side air vents by putting their equipment too close together.

        • nalberg

          They were pointing out the “lack of connectivity” of the PS4 because it doesnt have as many ports and what-not on the back. I was simply stating that those “extra” ports the XBox1 has… will be needed as you will need to buy external crap like a hardrive.. The PS4 will let you actually replace the hardrive with a larger one.

          • Alex_Atkin_UK

            Oh right, I see what you mean now I COMPLETELY misread the context of your post, sorry.

            Its also amusing that they would class an HDMI Input and IR blaster as being any sort of big deal on a “games console”.

            I’m skeptical how the HDMI In will work on Xbox One as when using a set top box it would need to decode Dolby Digital, mix the console audio in, output PCM 5.1 (HDMI) or encode back to Dolby Digital (TOSLINK). The latter I’m not sure they are allowed to do due to HDCP rules. If you take an HDCP input I believe it HAS to remain encrypted all the way to the receiver, which TOSLINK cannot do.

            As for USB ports though they are just as important on PS4 as we need them to charge the controllers. So it is a shame they didn’t put four on the front rather than two, as I expect PS4 to support USB racing wheels and other stuff the Xbox One may not. Still, at least they ARE on the front. The location of the Xbox One USB ports is really poor.

      • Doug Johnson

        Uhhh, they mentioned in the initial announcement that the HDD was accessible and could be swapped out. Where are you getting your information?

    • Dustin Horne

      They won’t both be constantly rendering output. When you switch between them they go into a suspended state. The first OS is really not exactly a full blown OS. It’s a modified Hypervisor (Hyper-V) that is the container shell between the other two OS’s and allows switching between them. One primary OS is for the UI and Apps, the other is for the Games, with the 3rd really only being a host container that handles resource allocation and swapping.

  • Thomas Falco

    stop playing games :-)

  • john

    I used to be a huge PC gamer back in the day, but I find the ease of use with consoles to be more appealing to me now that I’m older…lol. Although no console will really compare to the performance and graphics of the PC, they have done a pretty good job blurring those lines a little bit with their current iterations of consoles. Yes, PC is better graphics and power and speed, but console are a close second and are much more user friendly…in my opinion.

    • webduelist

      what is the ease of use argument consoles people keep talking about? Its not like Gaming is complicated on a PC, Step 1, buy game, Step 2 , install game, Step 3 play game. It not any more complicated then installing any other piece of software. I mean really to launch double click the icon like you do with any other application. Then you also have steam big picture mode that has a console like UI.

      Trust me I remember the days when it was all you have to have these 3 pre reqs and you could only find 2 of them. Those days are pretty much gone, aside from EA and their annoying origin store. With steam games there are no go search for the missing files, and they can be set to auto update when a patch comes out or new content is released.

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        PC games tend to have a psychological barrier for me. Unless you have the very best hardware you have to decide do I lose some AA and bump up the resolution, do I aim for frame rate or pretty, are my drivers optimal for this game, etc.

        Sure, games make most of these decisions for us now but its too tempting to try just pushing the graphics that bit harder, you end up spending more time trying to get the very best graphics possible for your hardware rather than playing the game. If you aren’t bothered about that sort of thing, you probably wouldn’t be gaming on PC in the first place, you would be on console.

        Consoles are easier because they take away all those options. You know the graphics have already been tweaked by the developer to obtain the best possible on that hardware, you don’t have to think about it, just play the game.

        • webduelist

          but isn’t that half the fun, trying to figure out those last couple of setting that keep it above 60fps but make it look a little better? I guess if you a PC overclocker its not as bad.

          (not to scare anyone cause you don’t have to do this)
          with self overclocking when you are trying to get the thing stable its boot, stress test, blue screen over and over again for well over a hour. Eventually you start getting closer and it doesn’t blue screen but you can still see cores failing out in stress testing. Compared to that tweaking your gfx settings is a walk in the park.

    • ikari_paul

      Its not only about the graphics, the pc hosts a bunch of other genres that are really not present on consoles, like RTS, MMORPG, Strategy, Management, Flight-Sim, and then you can mod the games, its miles ahead in the indie scene. And FPS are so much better with a mouse and keyboard, imo. Of course, all this comes down to which genres you like to play, but pc offers a experience which, imo, is briader and deeper than consoles. Its not just about graphics really

  • ikari_paul

    This article states that output resolution in this current generation is 1080. Its not. Almost every game, with the exception of just a few, run at just normal HD, around 720.

    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      Any demonstrations right now are running at best beta code and performance improvements are the very last thing any developer ever does.

      So its logical that games running at 720p right now (just to get them running smooth enough for demos) could be running at 1080p once they have been optimised. You have to effectively have finished the game before you can make those kinds of improvements, as any little change could affect the performance.

      • ikari_paul

        i was refering to this gen. the article said that the PS3/X360 usually run games at 1080, which is untrue. Its 720, at sometimes not even that (like haze, Halo3, …)

        the article said:
        “Another way of looking at the Xbox One and PS4, though, is their power relative to their predecessors. In terms of raw, synthetic performance, the Xbox 360 could churn out around 300 gigaflops; the PS3 was around 400 gigaflops. The Xbox One and PS4, however, should both be above two teraflops — about six times more powerful than their predecessors. Remember, the output resolution (1920×1080) is unlikely to change — so, with six times more power, we’re looking at a significant improvement to image quality.”

        1366*720 = around 1 million
        1920*1080 = around 2 million

        so, if the next gen is 6 times more powerful, because pixelcount has increased by 2, its really only 3x more powerful (6x more powerful, divide by 2 = 3x)

    • Mirimon

      very true.. xb360 has some titles that claim a 1080p resolution, but this is actually 720p being sent on a 1080p signal, it’s faked in there.

      ps3 though.. has some nice, exclusive indie titles, that are also interesting to play, that are at 1080.

  • leon

    the ps4 does have a hdmi

    • Doug Johnson

      Out, but not In.

  • jroc74

    Something else about the hardware thats not mentioned alot:

    The PS4 will use 7GB of the 8 available for games, the rest to the UI and whatnot.

    Xbox One will use 5GB of the 8 available for games, the rest to the TV Guide…

    Seriously, the other ram for the Xbox One is gonna be used by the guide, multi tasking features and whatnot. The XBO might have a smoother UI vs the PS4 if thats the case, but games designed to take full advantage of the PS4 and the extra ram, might have to be ‘optimized’ for the XBO. MS is taking a big gamble with the XBO.

  • http://www.youtube.com/BADA55GAMING BADASS GAMING

    lol this pretty much sums it all up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r19ys9zoWIE

  • edward hicks

    Since when do xbox 360s have Cell Processors.

  • chunkz
  • John Appel

    pc gamers wont leave till we can have a key board and mouse on the console,controller sux

    • Charles Seizinger

      its called since ps2.. been using keyboard and mouse since then, surfing the internet, virus free..

      for game use, that is a different story, and completely up to the publisher to leave in the game, not the console.

    • RuinedXJake

      the point of controller is to make a more compact, and efficient device that everyone can use. arma 2 uses the entire keyboard. No. think of windows 8 tablets or laptops. they have so much mutigesture now, because you are stuck with full screen. same with the controller. navigating is easier and you cant really use a keyboard and mouse on a couch while leaning forward, its just not as comfortable. With tv’s across the room, you don’t damage your eye sight AS MUCH but there still isa harmful effect.

    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      That’s what makes me laugh. Some PC gamers are so stuck on the keyboard thing and its not even a very accurate control scheme.

      There are two control schemes vastly superior to keyboard and mouse on consoles, Wiimote+Nunchuck and Playstation Move+Navigation Controller.

      Sure, there are a select few games which need such a vast array of keyboard shortcuts they aren’t exactly practical. But most people seem to moan about the lack of keyboard and mouse for FPS, which the above control schemes are a billion times more realistic for.

  • James Sivley

    This article says the xbox 360 has a cell based processor. It doesn’t. I don’t know if it’s a typo or they don’t know their stuff.

  • James Sivley

    @crazypete1. Its really more about what you can do with the video game systems not what the graphics are going foward into the future. ex. Streaming virtually everything, downloading games instead of going to the store and buying them. There aiming to not only be a gaming system but to be the Entertainment System in your home.

    • RuinedXJake

      they were going to do the take games with you anywhere, but after we all got mad with that idea, they said ok ok nevermind you can have disks I am sorry, then we all rejoiced, and that whole moving forward idea was gone. it is about what we can do with graphics capabilities. thats the whole point now because other than plugging our dish box to a console, its the same thing only higher end with minimally more features

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        I don’t know about you but I found the idea of taking my games with me via “the cloud” pretty useless. You can already do this with Xbox Live Arcade titles.

        If I ever wanted to play a game at a friends house it would always download too slow, or his HDD would be full. It only worked if I kept it on a memory stick and took THAT with me. If I have to remember to put it on a memory card before leaving home then its easier to just use a disc version. We don’t even know if the Xbox One would let you use memory sticks or if you can use an external HDD from one Xbox One on another. If downloading was the only way, its pretty useless unless you plan to spend days at a friends house or download well in advance. If you are planning THAT far in advance, its still easier to take the discs.

        Microsoft seemed to be assuming everyone has 100Mbit broadband and that downloads will always run at that speed. I was unconvinced that would happen as even ON 100Mbit broadband I only get round 17Mbit downloads on my Xbox 360. However my PS3 has increased from around the same to 50Mbit over the last few months.

        Microsoft has this bold view of the future that is just not realistic for everyone. Its great for the wealthy people working at Microsoft HQ with their fancy fibre broadband, but the rest of the world is not so perfect.

  • Andrew

    “In terms of raw, synthetic performance, the Xbox 360 could churn out around 300 gigaflops; the PS3 was around 400 gigaflops. The Xbox One and PS4, however, should both be above two teraflops — about six times more powerful than their predecessors. “

    – The ps4 will have 1.84 teraflops whereas the xbone will have around 1.3 teraflops, definitely not over 2.

    • Alex_Atkin_UK

      I believe the talk of 2 that by Sony is because 1.84 TFLOPs on the GPU plus the power of the CPUs comes “close” to 2 combined.

      In the great scheme of things of course, it means little. We don’t know how long it will be or even IF they will ever figure out how to get the most out of a low-clocked 8 core CPU. It will be interesting if they do though as it could have serious repercussions on how well games could be made to run on tablets.

      • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

        Right, the 2 TFLOP is the total performance (rounded at one digit) of the APU (CPU+GPU)

      • RuinedXJake

        it’s quite clear how they would run. games will utilize all 8 cores. each core will receive certain data, like one will get textures, one will get pixels, one will get effects, etc etc. just take away some cores, and lower quality games can run with lower res, and without certain effects. aka 2/4 core tablet

        • Alex_Atkin_UK

          The CPU has nothing to do with textures and what you mean by “pixels” I have no clue. Post-processing of the graphics is done on the GPU. CPUs aren’t good at that sort of thing, that is why the GPU was invented.

          There are some things that the CPU was still useful for when it comes to graphics, but those are exactly the things GPGPU is designed to offload onto the GPU as well. The CPU ultimately should be doing everything BUT the graphics.

          Its also nowhere near as simple to offload tasks to multiple-CPU cores as you make out. Even on PC today they mostly rely on you having at least two fast cores, so the switch to 8 much slower cores is going to be quite a learning curve.

      • RuinedXJake

        this is apu, so gpu is on the same chip. Since all it is doing is gaming, the cpu part of the chip is designed to work with the gpu part, and it will work on graphics more than a computer pc would, BECAUSE ITS ALSO THE GRAPHICS CARD

        • Alex_Atkin_UK

          The reason an APU is good is because you can make the GPU do things that normally you would HAVE to use the CPU for. There are few scenarios where you would ever want to use the CPU for graphics tasks.

          Anything that has to interact with collission detection, player controls, is done by the CPU and stored in system RAM. So its very inefficient to have the GPU do work there as it has to copy it over to GPU RAM, do work on it, copy it back to system RAM, and all during that time the CPU is blocked from doing any work on that piece of data.

          With unified memory you can have the CPU and GPU working on the same data in memory, more or less at the same time. So where the GPU would be more efficient at doing the processing, you can do that.

    • RuinedXJake

      horse-poop…, xbone will be equivalent to 7790, and ps4 to 7870. So no, you are wrong

  • Stefan Verbeeck

    The xbox 360 does not have a Cell processor but a Xenon chip. It wasn’t hard to understand at all, as the design was just like any triple core cpu. The only difference is that it’s a Powerpc architecture, nothing else… So the point is that Microsoft didn’t had any reason to drop it…

  • Charles Seizinger

    xbox one wasn’t even at e3, those were ALL pc’s running nvidia 700 series (ddr5) chipsets.. the devkit ps4’s on the floor though were VERY REAL, .

    ponder this also.. using pc’s with hardware 3-4 times as powerful than xbox published specs.. what will their games really look at play like??

    • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

      Not “ALL”. Some developers confirmed their demos/games were running on Xbox One. The rest were running on PCs with similar performance than the console. http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/06/peter-moore-battlefield-4-during-ea-conference-was-running-on-xbox-one/

      • RuinedXJake

        a gtx 760 is $400. all the rest are like way more money. A gtx 700 series compared to the radeo 7790 that the xbone will be equivalent to, is a card that has a 70% higher texture rate, more than a 45% higher pixel rate, it has 2x more memory, and has more than 2xs higher memory bandwidth, (gpuboss.com). So no, it was not running on a pc with similar performance. And why? because the quality wouldn’t look good. and it would get less sales.

        • http://twitter.com/juanrga juanrga

          In the first place the Xbox One has not a 7790 but a custom (improved) hardware derived from the 7790. In the second place you cannot compare PC and console specs that way, as Metro Last Night developer says in a recent interview (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-inside-metro-last-light), because a console is at least 2x more powerful than a PC with the same hardware. If you make the computation the equivalent PC has a GTX -700 series.

          • RuinedXJake

            you are an idiot; just because a console comes out during the same time a computer graphics card comes out, does not make the console 2 times more powerful? that may have been the case when xbox 360 came out, THAT MANY PEOPLE DIDNT HAVE THOSE GRAPHICS CARDS, but!!! THEY STILL EXISTED, THEY WERE JUST HUNDREDS OF DOLLARDS. but I guarantee you with any low quality game that came out with the xbox 360 was easily playable by many graphics cards of the time, because the goddamn games are tested on high end computers at microsoft studios. xbox one is coming out and many graphics cards will stomp any performance from it, but some won’t because they aren’t made for the same purpose. That’s like saying your intel ivybridge desktop beats my amd trinity laptop just because they came out at the same time, and intel is better. Yeah it’s faster, but more expensive. graphics cards were faster than xbox 360 but just more expensive. The 7790 is actually more powerful than xbox 1 not less. radeon 7790 by amd can reach 1.79 teraflops while xbox1 is at 1.23. hmmmm? ps4 can do 1.84 teraflops. Fuck you and your bitchy comments about how a 7790 based apu can beat a 7850OC in a computer. They dont even run games more than 30 fps on xbox. I can do higher quality with more effects and get 60. Fuck you.

      • Mirimon

        nono, said the xb1 FIRST PARTY DEVS.. cmon, you know they do what they can to avoid any bad image xbox puts off..

        them saying it, and me seeing it, are two different things atm.

    • RuinedXJake

      if you know your gpus, a website claimed that xbone’s apu will have 7790 gpu capabilites (which is not impressive), and ps4 will have 7870 capabilities (which is impressive). I am an avid xbox player, with 40 games for xbox, and 3 for ps3. But i think ps4 wins this one for me haha

    • RuinedXJake

      also keep in mind, that sony’s ps3’s great apus were still pretty darn good, and to make the experience better, they made a lot of games 720p and maxed out settings like anti-aliasing, and ambient occlusion, because unfortunately when someone has a 720 tv/monitor, the ps3 and xbox didn’t care what res it is in, 720 or 1080 it won’t run in higher quality or lower to adjust for the monitor you have, making a lose-lose situation for many. hopefully they will address this issue in the next gens,like PC has been doing since it’s existence. If I had a 720 monitor, i would want to be able to adjust a setting that makes the gpu in my xbox work more on effects rather than resolution. and YES you can change a ‘resolution setting” on both ps3 and xbox 360 but it did not change any performance whatsoever. do you understand what I am saying?

  • Charles Seizinger

    and all in one entertainment has been done before, see ps2 (which still outsold the xb360 for a LONG time)

    see also ps3 (which brought a ton of innovation to gaming consoles, but many either did not know or ran away from the $600 price that really was a huge discount for what they got in the box).. the current “all in one” proposed only makes the console a passthrough for tv.. nothing more, it still costs you money to obtain a tv service from somebody, and it only works in the US…the only other addition, is also covered by the cheaper, more capable, and global ps4, and that would be the so called 4k output.

    soo innovative it does what ps3 and ps4 will do, but for a lot more money? and unreasonable restrictions? no thank you.

    • RuinedXJake

      they removed restrictions and its the exact same price in the us as ps4. ps4 wont come with ps eye, which is $100. xbox one comes with one and is a hundred bucks more. I still would rather get ps4 because xbox one looks kinda sucky. The PC’s they used to show the games they played were high end, plus they themselves, microsoft, wasnt even using windows 8, which is what the console is based on………

      • Charles Seizinger

        Nobody wants the Kinect, and it is part of why it is banned from military installations atm. The eye costs only 60, is optional, while the xb1 still has issues, like it not being multivultage. The region thing is not solid, they are actually still ironing that out. Lets not also forget the vastly better services from psn, the larger ps library that will be available, and the fact that there are more people online on pan go play with. With the camera, it is still cheaper and does more, in mor places. The online ser ice is also cheaper. They do doubt will let ms squirm some more, play all their cards, and simply offer more while under utting them. Xbox brand has been going downhill for a while, and more so recently, enough that the board on microsoft is seriously discussing dropping that label completely.

  • HakanK

    XBOne is running on Hyper-V so Xbox games are going to be DirectX 11.1 games right? Is not that going to effect performance?

    • RuinedXJake

      it’s affect for verb, effect is a noun. The size of apu will make this possible, but I would wait for it to come out so you can compare it to prior gen consoles, and to high end pcs

    • crazypete1

      What does the bare metal hypervisor have to do with the Direst X version?

  • Lorenzo

    At this point i think to jump over this console gen and buy a good pc with steam.

    • RuinedXJake

      dont forget origin for bf4

  • RuinedXJake

    i posted this in other forums too, so here goes nothing.

    BEFORE YOU SAY I AM BIAS, I HAVE PLAYED XBOX AND PC MY WHOLE LIFE. I HAVE 40 XBOX GAMES, AND 3 PS3 GAMES. this will be a long post…to all of you who think there is little improvement, you are wrong. Xbox definitely is showing improvements in its OS, and games will look nicer, but still not even as nice as my radeon 7850. games were ran on a super high quality gtx 700 series graphics card.

    PS4 has made huge improvements, and will possibly dominate the market, or was going to at least before microsoft backed out of its DRM proposal. The consoles are the same exact price in theory, the only difference is sony gives you the option to buy ps eye or not, meaning we now know whether it will be required in games, or just take a role like “mass effect’s features with kinect” Xbox one is sounding more and more about media, and windows 8, taking away the fact that we want a stable OS with performance, 2 things that microsoft has yet to prove, since the PC’s they used at indie stands and E3 were using gtx 700 series, (forgetting that they themselves, weren’t even using windows 8 but windows 7, plus the graphics card is way over what xbone will be since the graphics card they used was worth$400 or more, literally way over the xbone performance capabilities) whereas ps4 was all about games, and they were using the ps4 kit most of the time, just in a “utilitarian box”. This also shows that xbox hardware isn’t as ready as sony is. Sony has it down, which disappoints me as microsoft screwed up with windows 8, they screwed up with xbox drm,and they even backed out of it. Sony was straight with us from the start, despite their patent on how to set up DRM (which they didn’t even use in the end, it was just so microsoft didn’t steal it), and they told us how it was going to be and gave us features that will help us connect to each other, not to switch between apps and watch tv, that’s is was directv and dish is for.

    They both offer used games, cost a membership, are giving away things each month, but PS4 looks readier than ever, and will be a HUGE leap from ps3 where everyone hates on. I honestly think the ps3 OS was simple enough, maybe a little less sophisticated than 360, but honestly guys, they both are simple enough to understand plus xbox has a windows phone feel, and ps3 has an android feel where you can edit all your files and be in more (exploring) control.

    Now that microsoft gave up their DRM dream, we are still in the now with no special features that either has to offer. 3rd party apps don’t need a sony plus member ship, and if you look at it, ps3 has offered free games all the time from sony plus, whereas microsoft never has done it. ps4 didn’t explain all their features at e3, but since the only features that people didn’t like were DRM, and the features that helps us game, sony is already in the lead with what they had to offer, like friends jumping in, or just watching, (but the achievements for that makes me wonder…) however all we know is we didn’t exactly like all the xbox features, then sony went to E3 and made us all happy. As long as there is no DRM, both charge a membership fee, both give free games, both have good controllers, I see the fact that one has more possibilities with the specs given to it.

    Microsoft stock only went down a little after E3, but Sony’s stock went up 20% after MICROSOFT’S presentation. Sony was straight with us, and now Microsoft is the other lemonade stand simply competing with the better one. You don’t have the option to buy kinect separately, and the exclusive games won’t be much more higher quality than they are right now. [ps4 will have a radeon 7870 equivalent graphics spec within the apu, while xbox 1 will have a 7790 equivalent graphics spec wtihin its own apu. PS4 will have Gddr5, whereas xbox one will have ddr3. It is clear who will be a winner of this battle.] ([cited] at extremetech.com)

    Have you seen the xbox 360’s BF3 compared to a simple 7790’s performance at 30 fps. It definitely looks significantly better (aka, there will be an improvement yes of course), but have you seen a 7870’s performance?? most games can be almost maxed out, because I have a 7850 OC which will essentially be equivalent to ps4’s apu.

    Sony has had a special way to deal with its own graphics capabilities- dev teams would simply make games that were 720 rather than 1080, then give them really good effects. The gpu was already better than xbox 360, but 720 honestly isn’t that bad-looking. Now keep in mind this is MORE for like exclusive games with some excetions, and this isn’t always the case. but Battlefield 3 on ps4 has more effects than xbox, like falling, and moving around, at the cost of slightly lower quality picture, which is totally worth it to me. PS3’s “The Last Of Us” was 720 quality but I noticed some effects that wer just like Uncharted 2, like ambient occlusion, where anytime you move, the character seems soft. metro 2033 did the same thing, but you couldn’t see it on your friends unless you stood still. In the last of us you can see it on yourself when you are moving, and to be honest the whole thing looks like a movie compared to older gamess like resistancce 2. So now that I know that ps4 is really making a turn around, I will be happier that it has made such an improvement rather than just for a ps4, because my ps3 doesn’t beat my xbox at all. None of my friends play it, and my exclusive games like halo and state of decay are all I play on xbox (the majority of games I have aren’t exclusive series’s, like mass effect, call of duty, then games like mirrors edge, rainbow six vegas, is max payne not on ps3? grand theft auto is and will be on both. The list goes on and on. OVERALL, DON’T PREORDER ANYTHING YET. MAYBE MICROSOFT WILL DROP THE KINECT SOON. WAIT UNTIL YOU GET TO SEE BOTH OS’s AT YOUR LOCAL BEST BUY OR WHATEVER

    • Ironmanxrs2

      TL:DR

  • RiCHeeGee

    “Likewise, games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.”

    The PC is at the cutting edge but at a price, if games look better on consoles for a while it will be at the will of the developers – poor porting – not because of hardware limitations…

  • Dewi Davies

    The ps4 gpu is hardly comparable to the hd 7870 if anything it’s performance will be similar to a moderately overclocked hd 7850, the Xbox one on the other hand seems to be at 7770 ghz level

  • crazypete1

    I have two questions:

    (1) What is the chance of being able to port the OS to my PC and use my PC as an xbox/ PS4 (with MS it should be fairly easy since they’re using hyper-V). Then I don’t have to buy either.
    (2) Can I run a hypervisor on either system (which the xbox is already running) and then run windows or linux as a virtual machine inside. Then my console can double as my computer.

    • luis3007

      1. Supported, none. By yourself, don’t expect any help from MS or Sony but you are free to try.
      2. Same as above xD

    • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

      Not sure you can port the Xbox One gaming OS, as it is running on a customized Hyper-V built for the exact hardware it is running on. the Win8 Xbox OS is pretty much the same thing as Windows 8 (customized to handle the underlying hardware only, to reduce size).
      It might be more possible to get a VM to run on Xbox’s Hyper-V. Like Luis E. notes, either case is not supported by either MS or Sony and probably hindered as much as possible.

    • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

      Not sure you can port the Xbox One gaming OS, as it is running on a customized Hyper-V built for the exact hardware it is running on. the Win8 Xbox OS is pretty much the same thing as Windows 8 (customized to handle the underlying hardware only, to reduce size).
      It might be more possible to get a VM to run on Xbox’s Hyper-V. Like Luis E. notes, either case is not supported by either MS or Sony and probably hindered as much as possible.

  • Tyson H

    I will not be getting either after ripping the guts out of an old ps3 and amping it up to stats on par with the ps4 and x box one. Also not interested in buying any new games… There is no originality. I’m back to buying snes games. Tired of sequels to these games. genres-Mindless shooters where you run into things and shoot as fast as you can, roleplaying games lacking an original GOOD quality stories, sports games (like I’m dying to play those), action adventure games that are geared towards what seems to be only toddlers, and gameplay that has been shortened to the size of a pea (with exceptions to games that are REPETITIVE like skyrim). Not a whole lot to look forward to and not worth dumping my money into at all. I could care less about graphics getting realistic, it takes away from the gaming experience. If it is too realistic its better to just do it yourself in reality. Game companies are really going to have to show me something amazing and more than just one game to ever get me off the old systems.

    • Tyson H

      ALSO I do not like online gaming. It’s ridiculous that they focus more on this than the actual gameplay offline.

      • Ironmanxrs2

        It’s not ridiculous at all. Single player isolated gaming is now a part of gaming, not the entire experience. Socialization allowed gaming to become more popular and expand its audience. People like to play together.

        • Mirimon

          I would say people like to have that choice… they like to be together, and need it just as much as they need some alone time in an world of their own.

          • Ironmanxrs2

            agree

  • Joe

    “The Xbox One gamepad, in comparison, is basically just a refined version of the Xbox 360 gamepad. The only new feature seems to be Impulse Triggers — which are normal triggers, but with a rumble function built in.” How about you actually do some research before posting this garbage. The Xbox one controller has over 40 new improvements and innovations. Microsoft has a gigantic list, look it up you dumb fucks. This entire article is biased.

    • Mirimon

      not really, they also abuse the term”improvement”.. essentially it feels the same, except the shoulder buttons felt like crap (the top ones). not having that battery pack sticking out was also nice.. but aa’s?????? in a controller with even more rumble motors to burn up juice??? still using IR?

      no thanks. down the road see this: New rechargeable pack upgrade for your controller, only $39.95, $49.95 if you want the cable also…..

      it’s not really biased if the controller has made no real improvements. moving wall a and pillar 273x by 4.7 nanometers is not an improvement to be touting about. MS like to bloat their numbers, seemingly in everything they do.

      • Ironmanxrs2

        It doesn’t use IR. It uses WiFi connect. Also, play and charge kits will be available for fast swapping cartridges instead of AAs. I love my play and charge kit for the 360.

        • Mirimon

          yes they will.. I love spending more money for attachments that are solved by standard features on other systems that cost less..

          for that money you could get a game (maybe) or 2 dlc content packs…. or another controller for a friend/loved one to play with.

          • Ironmanxrs2

            So how are you going to charge your PS4 gamepad? Connect a wire to your console? Exactly.

          • Mirimon

            up.. any standard usb cable (but my own mancave has ports in my recliners…

            that hard to plug it in when not playing a game? lasts for days and weeks between charges???
            again.. it costs nothing to keep a controller running on ps4, Xb1 on the other hand, will nickle and dime you in battery fees or charging “kits”

          • Ironmanxrs2

            The PS4 controller battery life wont be as good as the PS3. You will actually have more rumble this time and there is a big light on the backside of it to power for some odd reason when the PS Eye wont even be bundled with the console.

          • Mirimon

            hm.. you may be on to something.. though, I don’t game for 30 hours strait anymore…. (that is the battery life on one charge)

            it also features low power settings for conservation.
            the light bar is used in titles to indicate to the player, via ambiance, things happening, like low life, low ammo, etc. It is not an EYE only function, …

            winning Emmy awards for it’s design.. the Dual Shock 4 is no chump.

          • Mirimon

            tad off topic.. ever want your controller to look different? not hard to paint.. but what about making a gold controller, not just color, but an actual gold controller?

            Take controller apart, cover things you don’t need covered, and things that need clearance for movement and i/o.

            apply tacky spray adhesive.
            with light brush apply gold leaf carefully (the dust from other leaf pieces can be used as filler or to add an element of marbling. let set and dry underneath.
            apply clearcoat to seal.
            put controller back together. Yay!! controller of precious metals!

          • Ironmanxrs2

            LOL – I’ve never been that great at arts & crafts.

          • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

            Connectivity is a custom wireless similar to Bluetooth. The IR is used for added information on the controllers location, as well as more sophisticated things like heart rate and such, as the Kinect is a serious IR camera as well as HD 3D cameras.

          • Mirimon

            it is similar to bt in that it is a signal, and that is all, the differences is that wifi direct needs it’s own network adapter to function, hence, why the xbox one has 2 network adapters.. one for controllers, and the other for internet (because you cannot access internet and slave off to devices on the same adapter)

            furthermore.. wifi direct throws another wrench in the works, it uses 97% more energy than bt does to transmit the same amount of information.

            it is simply overkill.. and not the right tool for the job. This will translate to replacing batteries much faster, further increasing the cost of operation.

            IR.. serious IR, yes.. 3d camera? no.. it uses the IR to map out a simulated 3d field, but without having multiple perspectives, it is not true 3d.
            Sadly, the kinect is yet another situation of msft using the wrong tool for the job at hand..
            High-tech? yes… real time and practical for motion gaming? NO… not as accurate, and far too slow.

            DARPA has a hard time getting it right, and still has not resolved the latency issues, there is no way in hell msft figured it out.

          • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

            The IR system allows for the 3D, which is easier to deal with technically, than actual 3D imagery. So, in theory, the 3D mapping should be more accurate than the PS Eye.
            By the way, it was the Israeli company that figured out the processing needed to make it work.
            I guess we’ll see about the controllers. I did not find anything on them using Wi-Fi Direct, other than the console has Wi-Fi Direct for devices. There is also no actual information on battery life for the controllers.

          • Mirimon

            stopping you at “easier to deal with…
            it’s not… little processing takes place in stereoscopic, and is real time.
            the use of IR requires transmission, reflection, and reception, then it further requires analysis, processing, interpretation and interface… it is a time consuming process, plenty of lag, both on paper and in reality…. it should be more accurate than it is, even at only 30 fps… but it isn’t, having used it.
            DARPA uses a 5 ton truck, fills the whole thing with sensors and computers, to attempt to do the same thing, and it is still plagued with lag, despite tons of super computing power…..I know the israeli’s are familiar with doing much with little, but no… the lag inherent in this type of tech atm is plainly visible when using the kinect 2.0
            is it improved from the 360 kinect? yes… is it optimal? NO

            considering the use of AA, and even the play and charge kit… the battery life would vary,. BUT…. I assure you, the controllers use the secondary network adapter in the xbox one for wifi direct (aka, peer to peer wireless)… and it literally uses 97% more energy than BT does… no way around that. It simply is not the right tool for the job, it is tech overkill.

            Controllers and headsets are low energy usage devices.. and especially given their size and portability, should be using protocols specifically for low energy usage. BT works more than fine for controllers, and audio as well, given that even BT can handle 7.1 dts… This also opens the doors for better business, as it allows more people to compete in the accessory market by using a protocol that is certified and standardized, rather than something seldom used and more difficult to interface with.

          • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

            The dependency is on what you are using the 3D data for. Stereoscopic 3D requires processing as well, and suffers its own lag as the processing is all handled in software vs. the IR hardware components are doing part of the work before going to software. I can’t say I know the exact amount of work in either case, as I only remember partial information from 3D processing back in college, where stereoscopic was the method used.
            So does anyone have the same detail level as the Kinect for Xbox One?
            Also, do you have a particular reason for disliking Microsoft in general, or is it just because the Xbox 1 isn’t made the way you’d like?

          • Mirimon

            no.. haha, I do not dislike msft, they simply have a bad track record for products.. their best piece of hardware they have ever made soo far is the Surface pro.. and oddly enough, it’s the one thing of theirs that isn’t selling so well…msft should have gotten with that dev team on the casing and heat management for the xbox 1.

            Again, it has nothing to do with the brand names, I choose a product based on it’s ability vs price vs other products… my biggest concern is one I cannot even test yet: durability. And it has nothing to really do with preferences and more to do with efficiency.

          • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

            There are a lot of Microsoft products I like, mostly their software, Visual Studio, Office, Windows Phone, Windows, etc. I also like their keyboards and mice, and their Surfaces. Like you, I choose products based on ability vs price vs other products.

          • Mirimon

            indeed, the office suite has been good (though, I tire of them rearranging things every other iteration), the OS though.. well.. we all know, for every good OS of windows, there are 2-3 bad ones..

            I do avoid them for hardware… and prefer gamer oriented i/o options, Razor is popular, though imo.. not really best… I’ve had better (sadly, those companies wen’t out of business, leaving us with options of cheap, or expensive…)

            I definitely rate surface pro though a 9.5/10

          • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

            Connectivity is a custom wireless similar to Bluetooth. The IR is used for added information on the controllers location, as well as more sophisticated things like heart rate and such, as the Kinect is a serious IR camera as well as HD 3D cameras.

        • Mirimon

          no.. it uses IR.. and wifi DIRECT is the word you are looking for.. which is signal overkill, requires a separate adapter to operate while online, and uses 97% more energy than bt, while at the same time being difficult to secure communications with and not found in much of anything.

    • Mirimon

      also.. what 40 “advancements”????? go ahead.. find me a link from their site listing the 40 advancements.. just another fluff work from ms.. like the buzz words “smart” glass, and “cloud”….

  • James Tolson

    i drew the line with ps3.. im not buying either console… i bought a ps2 off an internet auction site for next to nothing with tonnes of extras, i can buy used games from a second hand store for 49 pence each.. and it plays ps1 games, so that to me makes the ps2 the only console that has a humongous game library.. why would i want to invest best part of 500 quid into a machine that does nothing more than my ps3? just to have 50 quid crap COD clones rammed down my throat when i don’t even like fps shooters? or sports games.. ill stick to retro gaming thanks and My pc Rig for the odd new game worth buying once every year or so..

  • Ironmanxrs2

    I am really excited for the XBOX One’s Win 8 based OS. XBOX Live OS for the 360 was good and evolved over time, but this new Hypervisor OS is some next level stuff. It’s pretty neat. Imagine instant pausing a game and switching to IE via voice command to pull up some tips on how to beat a certain boss or level. Cool stuff we dreamt of when we were kids.

  • zapper

    I would prefer :
    1. It should work as PC too
    2. Some immersive h/w gear would have been great

    3. Instead of playing games sitting on a couch it would be better if some body movement also for health such as walking , moving hands etc. Xbox kinect can have such superiority but I wonder how caring & humane attitude based Japanese have missed this ability. I hope they develop some tech for that.

    • Mirimon

      you mean, like when they made the ps2.. and the EYE TOY.. which had titles that did those things? more than a decade ago??

  • Marios Nikolaou

    Gpu close to hd 7870?PC will be better before the release of xbox and ps4 :)

  • Leeroy Jenkins

    Anyone who is arguing that the ps3 was superior to the xbox 360 should be checked into a mental hospital. If you really want to test the power of the console play a high round game of zombies. For ps3 the game crashes at around 160-170 and starts having about 2-10 fps 10-15 rounds before that. While the 360 can make it from 195-200 and only having console lag in the early 190’s. those 30 rounds are about 15 hours more of gameplay btw.

    • Odin Soevik

      probably the dumbest attempt at an argument I’ve ever read. You understand how software porting works, right?

    • Mirimon

      i dare you to plug in a game called Battlefield Middle Earth on your 360, and try to have more than 5 units on the screen at a time… a made for windows RTS game…

      also.. since we can loosely use terms to make our cases around here.. how about the fact that it took M$ a second console, halfway through it’s cycle, until it could handle the game FF11.. something that started on the PS2 and PC??.. yeah…

      over 30 million more users online on psn (that’s more than twice the population on xbox live) would disagree with you

  • Bloodthirst

    if you are going to mention that on the PS4 “There’s built-in movement tracking, so the console can track who’s holding each controller” you should also mention that the Xbox One has the same functionality. The one big difference is that on the PS4 you will need to purchase the Eye Toy Camera since it does not come with the PS4 if you want the PS4 to track who has which controller.

    • Mirimon

      actually.. it tracks the ds4 in relation to the console w/o the need for a camera.. while xbox.. you get the camera no matter what, it won’t even function without the camera.. on, all the time….staring into your house with night vision..

      • Alex_Atkin_UK

        Are you sure? I see plenty of suggestions that “PlayStation®4 Eye senses the color of DUALSHOCK®4′s light bar to judge the positions of multiple players”

        When they announced the tracking the intention was to bundle the camera in as standard. They changed their mind to get the cost below Xbox One and alleviate the fears of the paranoid people thinking it will be spying on them if mandatory for the console to function.

        • Mirimon

          the cost would still have been below xb1 with it in.

          also.. who is holding what controller?? has not been an issue for decades “oh, you have 1, i have 4? lets swap, here you go” .. a non issue… without the camera the controllers have sixaxis, which is like the wii mote, but far more precise and responsive.

          the camera is like the kinect, but 3d (two cameras) with directional stereo microphone, and able to record in no less than 60 fps and up to 240 fps.. also it doesn’t simply recognize you smiling.. it recognizes the difference between your face and somebody else, great for security and profiles.
          together, they bring the best of both methods, but all for naught when not produced for. we need some truly innovative games to use these features, and not some gimmick shovelware.

          • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

            Are you comparing the PS4 Eye to the Kinect and saying the PS4 Eye has 3D with directional stereo microphone? The original Kinect had that, the new Kinect has that, but with even greater detail level, including infrared, which can read heart rate (among other things).

    • E319

      lol eye toy was for ps2. and ironically the ps4 with camera is still less expensive than an X1

  • JJBOY

    you sir… are a retard. Have you watched E3? Either you did and your an idiot… or you’ll defend Microsoft in whatever they do even if their policies control your life. HOW WAS IT CLOSE??!!! PS4 WAY SURPASSES XBOX!!! ITS FACT!!!! ITS INTERIOR IS 2x AS CAPABLE AND HALF THE SIZE OF THE XBOX ONE!!! I’ve seen the specs!! You’re the guy who doesn’t like used games and getting watched by Kinect 24/7. Just because it’s 100$ more, DOESN’T MEAN UR GONNA GET MORE!!!! IT MEANS MICROSOFT IS GREEDY. WHAT HAPPENS IF UR KINECT BREAKS? MIGHT AS WELL THROW AWAY THE CONSOLE!! U CANT USE IT UNLESS KINECT IS CONNECTED!!!!

    • UrMomsNewDude

      If you don’t want to buy something because it might break you might just want to avoid buying anything ever. If I buy a new mixer for baking and the arm that holds the attachments breaks I might as well throw away the mixer. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to buy it.

    • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

      Please calm down and use an inside voice :)
      By the way, you don’t have to have the Kinect connected.

  • Generalkidd

    What I want to know is if the Xbox One can still play with people on the Xbox 360 over Xbox Live?
    For example, if I buy Call of Duty: Ghost on the Xbox One, but my friend buys it for the Xbox 360, will be still be able to play with each other over Xbox Live?
    Basically, is there cross-platform compatibility between the Xbox One and Xbox 360 for multiplayer games?

    • Mirimon

      no

    • Ian Edelenbos

      Cod ghosts is exclusively for next-gen consoles

      • Generalkidd

        Nope, it will be available on all current and next-gen consoles. I know a similar situation arose with CoD 2 and 3 where it was released for the Xbox and Xbox 360, but I never got the games back then so I don’t know if the Xbox versions were capable of playing online with the Xbox 360 versions over Live. I’m hoping we’ll be able to with the Xbox 360 and Xbox One versions of Ghost and other games that will be released on both consoles.

  • Doug Johnson

    Looks like the author has missed something. The Xbox One controller has motion tracking via IR picked up by Kinect. It was demonstrated in one of the promo videos from the initial announcement.

    • oddvintagetaco

      CELL is power pc based.

      • Doug Johnson

        Yes, but not the other way around. Every Cell is a Power PC, but not every Power PC is a Cell.

        • oddvintagetaco

          Yeah, thats what he meant.

  • Greg

    Strange how this article is only 2 days old, but some of the comments are over a month old. You have just entered the Twilight Zone (insert creepy theme tube here).
    Ah memories of when the word Twilight meant you were in for some scares. Instead of just a bunch of uber gay vampires & werewolves flexing their pecks. Yes ladies they are gay.

  • NaotaChannel

    Way too many things wrong with this article. In gaming, an i7 doesn’t even double the fps of even a 3 or 4 year old cpu if they both have the same graphics card, so how could it be “twice as powerful” as the 8 core jaguar?

    He says that an i7 is 2x more powerful than the PS4 and that the PS4 is 6x more powerful than the PS3. That implies that an i7 processor will give you 12x more performance than a PS3. . . . Uh . . . no . . . it won’t. Unless you think a modern computer gets 360 fps in Skyrim.

    Also, to suggest that the X1 has the edge with people looking for an “all in one” entertainment system, is really stretching it. What percentage of gamers are looking for that? 1% . . . at the most.?

    • TurmoilX

      He’s talking purely computational power of the CPU. Frames per second is more closely related to the video card.

    • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

      Actually, X1 has the edge for “all in one” entertainment. Why? Because it has a dedicated OS for handling other entertainment on top of the gaming OS. This is something the PS4 doesn’t have. Now, for some, the PS4 is better because it doesn’t have that, that’s fine, but doesn’t change X1’s edge.

  • RE Hamrick

    don’t forget cloud computing in the xbox one. we don’t really know what devs will do with it yet.

    • Mirimon

      yeah, don’t forget that.. being ran by Oracle, who are essentially clueless when it comes to “cloud” computing….. lol.. just like M$.. reminds me of starbucks.. selling the cheapest, worst beans in the land, for 10x the price, and people lap it up in droves…

      • RE Hamrick

        you really cant judge on it yet.

        • Mirimon

          you can make some pretty good bets though, given the 2 cloud providers of gaikai and Oracle.. really.. look up the issues they have with cloud.. gaikai, and pretty much anybody not Oracle, knows how to do cloud.

          only reason Oracle is with MS(which have been rivals for years) is because Oracle was in a lot of trouble, allowing MS to pretty much dictate to them.

      • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

        How is Oracle involved with the Xbox One cloud computing? I thought the cloud computing is built from Azure, which is not dependent on Oracle, Oracle just can be installed in Azure.

      • http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

        How is Oracle involved with the Xbox One cloud computing? I thought the cloud computing is built from Azure, which is not dependent on Oracle, Oracle just can be installed in Azure.

  • DarthDiggler

    “Connectivity-wise, the Xbox One definitely has more sockets — in particular, the PS4 lacks an HDMI in. This means that the PS4 can’t be used as a media center in the same way as the Xbox One, though the PS4 will still have lots of streaming content, I’m sure.”

    That feature set won’t be available day one and Sony has ample time to create another SKU. That being said none of that provides any unique features that people don’t have already with other devices.

    • Mirimon

      that and.. it only works in the us for now.. and .. like stated everywhere, only gets in the way and causes transmission leakage of hi fidelity signals.. tv’s, a/v surround units.. and a remote… all do these swapping things just fine for the last, oh, 30 years??
      nah… it’s over for now, ps4 won it, and it will take nothing short of a miracle for xbox to make a comeback.

  • Mirimon

    been finding this all over the internet:
    as of last night, several online polls have had dramatic shift in votes, of 3-4 thousand more, all in favor of xb1…

    not related to any event, no news, no publishing, not a blog.. just at random, in only a few hours, 3-4 thousand votes were cast to xb1 on these polls…. also, it is contrary to current preorder numbers..

    methinks M$ is up to their tricks again.. (ahem. remember the reddit issue?)

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  • Luke Fraser

    “…games will probably look better on consoles for a few years, and then PCs will probably pull back ahead.”

    You’re an idiot. My PC in 9 months old and is far more powerful than both consoles. My CPU is faster, and my GPU is more powerful. I’m not even running the best hardware on the market. I have a 3rd Gen i7, and an AMD Radeon HD7950 (which has already been superseded). You’re also an idiot if you think the Xbox One and PS4 are almost identical in hardware. The PS4 clearly wins in the graphics performance department because it will be running a GPU that’s a whole series above the Xbox One.

    • Mirimon

      an idiot would really be a person who can’t be bothered to know how to spell “supercede” nor seemingly know what it means.

      • Luke Fraser

        Both spellings are correct, look it up. While you’re at it, explain to me how I have the context or meaning wrong if you don’t mind?

        • Mirimon

          moot, perhaps we need to change the names of the language for us? call it American?…

          anyways..

          while I agree on the point of which console is superior of the two, in terms of pc power I would have to disagree.

          ~$230 moderately clocked 7870 (those btw.. come with 2gigs of gddr5…., as we know.. ps4 is using 8.. and very well clocked… makes it hard to price, but the included ram I would say definitely adds to it.

          ~$10 psu (nobody in their right mind would use it.. not a gamer anyways..)

          ~$100 for an i3 ish cpu.. (tbh.. regardless of what info we have, until tested in public it’s hard to determing the cpu strength of either console, regardless, most work will be done on the gpu side of the apu’s)

          ~$50 case (BUT,lets be honest, alot goes into taking all of these parts and cramming them into something half the size of the VCR looking xb1, it costs money to design, develop, and manufacture this stuff)

          ~80 motherboard, with usb 3.0..

          ~$25 for a blutooth and wifi card

          ~$90 for a slot loading, internal optical drive, at 8x bd etc…

          ~$10-50 bucks in fans and heatsinks, pastes

          ~$20 bucks in harnesses/wiring.

          you end up spending almost $700 bucks.. on some pretty crappy parts you, as a decently minded and not insane gamer would ever have chosen… focusing ONLY on the equivalent power of the “cpu and gpu”….

          and you can pretty much bet it will not run that great.. building a pc that LOOKS like what the new consoles (well.. the ps4) are putting out on a screen.. right now.. will cost you some dough..

          down the road you could get more for less.. and simply be competing with the ceiling of fixed hardware vs the improvement of specified programming.

          but.. like many, you already have a decent pc I assume… and would not think of using a gaming console for anything other than media (but.. I did enjoy using the linux on my fatboy ps3 to do photo/video editing, word publishing, pretty much anything a common joe would use their home pc for…. soo sad..)

          no.. what is offered in the box will be quality parts, with excellent performance to do exactly what they are intended to do, play media VERY well….
          while we see some games that are cpu intensive, and some that are gpu intensive, very few are both, the consoles will exclusively be gpu intensive. For that task.. ps4 has this in the bag.

          • Luke Fraser

            There’s no doubt both consoles win in cost effectiveness.Perhaps though if that was the intended point of the last paragraph, it should have stated so.

          • Mirimon

            it really wasn’t, but then again.. look at the overall cost of last gen, (and i mean, actual cost, no matter who spent the money)
            counting the average time frame from purchase to burn out, cost of online play membership, and not counting the verious attachments and things most gamers would get, like, charging kits/more batteries, the xbox 360 would cost no less than $3,300 over a 15 year period.

            even a launch ps3 would have cost $600 over 15 years… $300 for the revision.

            as far as 8th gen, we shall have to see what holds up in durability testing, and I pray consumers do not initially report to the manufacturer, but log the breakdown on a outside source, then send it to the manufacturer, that way we can get public, and accurate reports for hardware failures and not red tape and cover ups.

            that said.. we all know that right off the bat you save on the ps4, even with a camera (400 vs 500, or 460 vs 500). And, you save with psn for online play ($10 difference, but that could have been chicken! or some dl content)

            you save also in that you will not have to replenish double A batteries, and then buy the new charging station and kit for the xb1 controller w/e that comes out….

            imo.. sony should take Home Depots’ slogan “more saving, more doing” or some such.

            I think, if they really want to put the screws to MS, they need to educate the general consumer, and not just make shiny commercials with explosions. Make a commercial with comparrisons, something up front, bold, honest, and informing.. as the average shopper knows nothing about the two systems, and only buys what is perceived as popular.

          • Chicken Pickin’

            It’s called American English, isn’t that enough?

          • Mirimon

            imo.. we need to just call it American and get it over with…..

          • Chicken Pickin’

            Well, America is a lot bigger than the US. Would you call Spanish and French American too?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

          • Chicken Pickin’

            America is bigger than the US.

  • Dug Thompson

    Why anyone would buy either is beyond me. With the new processor architecture, just build a PC and wait for someone to port the ps4 os, drink tiger blood, win and stuff. Developers will still make games if you buy them and since a dedicated console is nowhere near required anymore, perhaps doing what I stated would make them start making games for windows. The necessity for a separate gaming console was made a thing of the past when these 2 companies decided to ditch the old ways of having their own chipset architecture and go the more cost effective route of x86. They both shot themselves in the foot. End of story…

    • Mirimon

      except.. mainstream consumers are clueless about building a pc.. so the only prices they see are from crap boxes spat out by dellienware and their ilk.. the consumer will be much lest knowledgeable and interested in the hassle of understanding tech. What they WILL see.. is a media device, that is easy to use, easy to get, easy to install, and for a lot less, that is why there is still a market. were the console market to die off by next gen, I wouldn’t mind.. but as long as one company makes something, so will another.

  • RamboSquirrel909

    PlayStation 4 will be my choice for the next gen , PC gaming may be better to some people , but Sony has some amazing franchises .. not to mention “The Last of Us” amazing game

    • Mirimon

      gaikai=pc titles on ps4

  • Gunner Santana

    between the two i dont believe xbox has shit for an edge… What does talking to my cable have to do with gaming? Enertainment yes but to bring back halo without bungie is just insulting and why all the sudden the switch to blueray?? Thought that wasnt the future microsoft? and if your system couldnt handle its old processer with out burning up why would i trust them now needing to run all the time?? All the titles on ps4 almost all of them i got an itch to buy not to mention still making amazing games for ps3 (the last of us, beyond two souls,and gran turismo) while xbox’s last good release was halo 4 which was a fail in my book .. And controller wise im glad they took a lil bit of xbox design but i dont believe it to be a remade based off it but made around what gamers want. A beefy controller still has all the fundamentals of a playstation controller… And dont forget that controller is one reason bungie got hands in the ps4. Very smart business move. But im stubborn and dont want the controller to die along with all the amazing developers on the playstation crew that have been around since 1994 ken kutaragi and shu yoshida the masters of consoles in my eyes.. When i look at xbox i see lack of love for gamers and more aimed around shiny toys like the kinect and skype(most of the shit my phone can do) there vision is focused on enertaining not gaming. kinda like holding a nice binky that u dont only suck but has glowing lights on it over a toddler.. And i bet that little bit of power over the xbox will go a long way when streaming, downloading,and game play.. Again very smart move by sony something aimed at gaming and sheer game emmersment. Sony has never dissapointed me on a single aspect besides the move while xbox screws me around every corner from fees to hardware that burns up and scratches the shit out of games if its just tapped.

  • Gunner Santana

    Do u see pc’s caring about kinect?? No cause raw power is more important

  • James R Lyons Jr.

    The reason to buy one of these new systems is because the 7th gen is nearing its end. They will soon stop making games for the 360 and ps3. They will be things of the past in the next year.

  • Total Wafflez

    PS4EVER!

  • Mahmoud Ragheb

    FOrever PS$

  • Jerrell Griffin

    Well I feel that the only way ps4 will have the advantage over xbox one is two things.First of all sony has to figure out how to fully harness the power of the console to take advantage of xbox one.Second thing is it come down to the games.If ps4 solve those two questions then it willbe the greatest console in the world period.

  • Hater

    The fact that you put a ps4 in front of the Xbox One already show what is your personal favorite. This showdown is worthless.

    • Singh1699

      They both crap, build a pc there’s your advice.

      Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.

    • ivan134 .

      Yea, definitely, Don’t let facts get in your way. Numbers are meaningless apparently.

  • BattleAxeofMight

    Here’s the scoop as I see it:

    (1) I started playing video games on a console, Atari 2600. That’s all it could do. It worked and worked well.

    (2) Enjoyed many years of early pc games, albeit with problems. Yet this was pre-internet days, so what help was I going to get.

    (3) Playstation 1 followed by Xbox.

    (4) Back to pc and have stayed since. Steam has incredible prices on games.

    If I want to play on the big screen, I hookup my pc via hdmi and use a controller.

    Generally speaking, baring any console flop outs / DOA etc., consoles are a great choice for someone who doesn’t want to be bothered with pc driver updates, whether it’s video or sound, or perhaps a bug ridden game that just doesn’t behave well on your particular pc setup.
    I really do see merit for that – just let me play the game already – view point. The game is optimized right out of the gates, because everyone is running on the exact same system.

    Having said that, in my case, pc gaming just works well for me. I enjoy the frequent Steam sales. Yes, it takes more work to get a game going sometimes due to driver issues, but that’s part of the trade-off I suppose.

  • kazetsukai

    The author is wrong: The Xbox 360 had a triple-core PowerPC CPU dubbed the “Xenon”. The PS3 had the Cell CPU, which had two PowerPC cores and 7 SPEs designed for floating-point path.

    The Cell wipes the floor with the Xenon on floating point math. It is not a traditional “multi core” CPU- The SPEs are specialized processing units designed to churn out floating-point computations. The parallelism and computational power the Cell offers is clearly superior: The 360 could render a beautifully detailed character or two, but the PS3 could do the same with an army of characters through clever coding.

    The problem with the PS3 is incompetence: Sony didn’t provide a decent SDK to tap the Cell CPU until late in the console’s lifetime. Developers were stuck micro-managing memory and babysitting SPE workloads. Game developers essentially wrote Sony’s Cell SDK by complaining day and night about the difficulty of synchronization.

    I’m quite the Sony fan, but the most fair comparison you’ll ever hear of the 360/PS3 is this:

    You can think of the 360 as a Yamaha digital piano – 180 instruments at the fingertips of the developer, lots of reward for little effort. You can think of the PS3 as the Boston Symphony Orchestra. Endlessly tuneable and deep, it has an incredible personality and every aspect of performance can be explored. But the developer is the conductor- and an orchestra is a hell of a lot of work.

  • ToyCollectorsUnited

    PC will pull back ahead? We were, we are, and will always be ahead of Consoles lol

  • ToyCollectorsUnited

    PC will pull back ahead? We were, we are, and will always be ahead of Consoles lol

  • angh

    AMD Mantle wont change a thing:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-api-xbox-one-directx-11.2,24691.html

    ESRAM is simply too small to make any changes as frame buffer for screens bigger than 720p:
    http://www.redgamingtech.com/xbox-one-esram-720p-why-its-causing-a-resolution-bottleneck-analysis/

    Both consoles allocating 2 cpu cores, but that doesn’t change things much.
    Games will do a difference. And last few years of support surely helped me to make a decision.

  • poken1151

    A good write up I think. Thanks.

  • meddle0ne

    I can’t understand after watching the side by side video how anyone couldn’t see the XB1 is far superior. I don’t care what it says on paper. There’s a very obvious difference in favor of XB1.

  • GT-Source
  • convolution

    PC gaming = master race

  • massau

    if the games are cross platform whit the PC maybe they could let the PS4 draw whit better textures (which they made for the master pc race)? but they wouldn’t make better textures when its only console vs console.

  • Marble Shark

    So basically PS4 wins hands down as next gen is all about graphics and not a lot else. And my PC I bought 2 years ago is more powerful than 4 of them put together. Don’t all rush at once!

  • sf

    WoW! Great specs, if we were in 2005.

  • Yoshi

    Great article, thanks!

  • Marlon

    The Xbox One version isn’t using ESRAM, that’s why the lower res. It was already stated in another article. “Developers can simply choose to use the ESRAM or simply opt for lower resolution.” That’s exactly what happened. Otherwise, how else is the PS4 and Xbox One going to be 4k supportive? They were both built to be 4k supportive. Not to say they will run a native 4k resolution, but will probably be upscaled from 1080p+

    • http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony

      Not sure what your comment is all about. Lots of disinformation, I think. _Every_ 1080p video stream can be upscaled to 4K — by the TV! You can upscale 720p to 4K as well, if you want.

      The Xbox One has ESRAM. I am sure that most/all games will use it, because it’s a key part of programming for the console. It’s completely unrelated to 4K.

      • Marlon

        I’m only suggesting that I doubt these consoles will scale up from sub 720p-1080p. Likely higher. I know you can scale up to anything. Heck, people were hooking their Wii’s into their expensive set-top boxes and scaling from 480p up to 1080p.

        ESRAM has a lot to do with resolution. Relying on slow DDR3, will hamper your ability to go high in resolution. Memory speed is everything. It dictates whether you get to use decent AA and AF too. The higher the resolution; the more pixels, the more pixel fill-rate, the more pixel fill-rate, the higher the bandwidth requirement. What do you think memory does?

        • http://www.reddit.com/r/X1UIMockups/ ilovegoogleglass

          Great breakdown…

  • saywhat

    All this hardware talk says to me is that visuals will be way more important than story or gameplay in this generation, and the extra man-hours necessary to fully utilize the hardware will push all small dev studios completely out of the game, and drive the prices of games up to $100, or more if you want a physical disk.

  • jessterman21 .

    Bottom line is the XBone will have more aliasing in games. If you’re a consolite, you don’t know what this is and won’t be able to tell the difference.

  • Jmg1andonly

    PC Gamers run ultra “next-gen” graphics now, and the PS4 and Xbox One only have a 7790, and 7870 GPU in them, 8GB of SHARED memory, and a processor clocked at 1.6?

    Wow. I have to say that there is room for the next big innovation to come out. These consoles are less than spectacular, but have been marketed SO MUCH, and SO WELL that it seems like the “next-gen” of gaming has arrived with these average specs and slightly better than average graphics.

    Please…….

    So far, Steambox is the next big thing to wait for. If it wasn’t for PSN and Xbox Live, Microsoft and Sony wouldn’t have such a big foothold on the gaming community as it is.

  • Roman Cruz

    Hasn’t Microsoft already declared that they will not support Mantle API for the XBone?

  • d3v

    Didn’t you already report that XBOne will not support Mantle?

  • MaTT

    i feel the PS4 has more life-like graphics, but the Xbox has more vivid colors
    if you look closely at the shadowing and H20, you can see an advantage for the PS4 (in terms of replicating reality).
    The PS4’s shadows are much ‘softer’ and it makes the items ion the clothing, like the shotgun shells, more 3-D and especially realistic

    man i remember playing on my old Nintendo, good ole 2-D Mario. and top-down 2-D Zelda
    its CRAZY how far computing power has come, do yourselves a favor and play a Nintendo so you can compare those graphics, and truly appreciate the amazingness we have now (in either console)

  • Andrejs Silvans

    Let me start off by saying I’m unbiased and actually play on a PC rather than a console.
    In my opinion, the Xbox One’s graphics actually look better, they stand out, more defined where as the PS4 graphics seem like they have somewhat of a blurring effect to make the graphics look smoother, on the other hand the graphics on the PS4 do look more realistic when looking at details such as faces, and that is purely because of the superior hardware. And the superiority is actually by quite a big amount. I don’t care what people say about architecture and OS utilization, as a computer tech, a 7870 is far superior to a 7790. so whether the Xbox1 utilizes graphics better or not, it will not make up for the fact that the 7870 is 50% more powerful. It might make it seem somewhere along the lines of 40% more powerful, but definitely not mach up to it. My question is just why does the PS4 graphics seem so blurry compared to the Xbox1, are they trying to squeeze more frames out to make the PS4 seem that much more superior? Just my 2cents on the subject.

  • HeWhoGameZ

    Honestly the BF4 Xbox One vs PS4 and on Cod Ghosts the colors and and shadows look better on Xbox One. And the water and rain looks a lot more detailed on Xbox. Honestly the only reasons I see to buy a PS4 is purely on the exclusives and price. Yes if you buy an Xbox you will find yourself spending a tad bit more. Although Halo, Titanfall and Ryse together are way better than the announced PS4 exclusives.

  • Alby Metevier Jr.

    well looking at your video comparison, to me the xbox one had more clarity and deeper rich colors, ps4 was brighter but not as clear, my money is on xboxone, sony has a long recovery road and if you want it fixed, i would rather trust a american made product. xbox one wins. if only they would play xbox 360 games, and of course the ps4 dont play ps3 games either, bottom line, the death to the used game market, lol, :(

  • John Scott

    Ok I am 50 years old now and got into gaming late in life. Never had anything as a kid. I had a Xbox 360 until it died, had a PS/3 and games crashed too much. So I sold it. I really am not convinced its worth spending this amount on a console and buy the games at the price they charge. The attention span and length of game is simply not of good value. They are wasting cost on developing the most realistic game at the expense of a lengthy game trilogy. So I get some great stuff for what it last. Big deal, it just does not last that long.

  • mezzy

    If you know what you’re doing you can easily build a great gaming computer for cheap
    I use a 2048MB ASUS HD7770 Series video card and it runs every game with no problems.

  • Abbie Hoffman

    Sorry although this review makes you want to believe, This guy is smoking some weird crack There is no way the ps4 or xbox one will come close to the 7850 or 650Ti or even the 650. (more like the 640 maybe) I am sure these consoles will perform very well and the numbers are impressive. But we are talking about different graphics rendering.

  • sQueezedhe

    article from 15th nov, first comment from 6 months ago.. hrrrm

  • Jack Smith

    “Today, eight years after the launch of the Xbox 360, the launch of the PS4 finally kicks off the eighth generation of video game consoles.”

    Nope.

  • Xtrm Xpdr

    And the console with lower specs has the best looking game at launch… lol.

  • Abbie Hoffman

    This is kinda misinformation, There is no way the PS4 or XBOX One Will come Close to a ATI 7850 or a GTX 650Ti. I understand how you get impressed with his review trying to match numbers with GPU’s, But we are talking about 2 completely different types of graphic rendering. I have no doubt the PS4 and XBOX One will be good gaming units, However to compare the graphics on them to a 7850 or 650Ti or 660 is like Comparing a 1983 Datsun 280 turbo to a 1970 Dodge Challenger 426 Hemi Wedge
    Both perform good and are fast, But one is completely outclassed

  • Abbie Hoffman

    This is kinda misinformation, There is no way the PS4 or XBOX One Will
    come Close to a ATI 7850 or a GTX 650Ti. I understand how you get
    impressed with his review trying to match numbers with GPU’s, But we are
    talking about 2 completely different types of graphic rendering. I have
    no doubt the PS4 and XBOX One will be good gaming units, However to
    compare the graphics on them to a 7850 or 650Ti or 660 is like Comparing
    a 1983 Datsun 280 turbo to a 1970 Dodge Challenger 426 Hemi Wedge
    Both perform good and are fast, But one is completely outclassed

    he also seems to not like this truth being told as he deletes my posts

  • Hameedo

    You have two things wrong in your article :

    1-Memory Bandwidth for the CPU is less than 30GB for PS4, because the CPU bus is not as wide as the GPU bus. Not to mention the CPU itself is weak. Same thing for XO.

    2-Mantle is a separate API, it works irrespective of DirectX, so both the PS4 and XO can use it. In fact in the recent AMD developer convention, presented a slide, in which they stated that PS4 will support Mantle.

    Also Console developers don’t need to use Mantle , they program the chips to the metal themselves, they did so with the PS3 and Xb360, and they plan to do this again with the PS4 and XO.

  • Knowledge Power

    PS4 seems much better as a games console i mean Xbox One is just like a PC right? If i wanted to play games on PC i could buy a much more powerful one than the Xbox one.

    • Zybeon

      In that respect, the PS4 is a PC as well. If anything the PS4 Is more like a PC than XO in regards to hardware. Though XO has more software that makes it more PC like in regards to versatility.

      • Knowledge Power

        Not at all, PS4 is actually a games console while the Xbox One is a PC…

  • Ed

    its 2013 please tell me the GPU’s do directX 11.2 natively? and when will consoles natively output 4k? (ultra HD)?

    • Zybeon

      Both do DX11.2. Neither the XO or PS4 will ever be capable of 4k output on AAA games.

  • Samuel Wan

    Xbox One will not support Mantle while the PS4 will…

  • Russell Mania

    I like this site, it has no bias. When it shuts down after the Xbox one release, where will the fanboys go?

  • Cat

    Ill get an xbox for kingdom hearts and a few exclusives other than that ill stick with my PC. Honestly modding makes a game for me its awesome being able to mod an awesome game like morrowind to look better than skyrim and even better than some ps4 and xbox one launch titles is priceless! And well i have a tendency to replay Planescape torment or boldurs gate from time to time.

  • RoyCar69

    Seriously, the XO looks better from my eyes. Just look at the grass on the left 1 minute into the FMV. I think the exclusives will be a better tell of how good each console will look. The XO looks like it has richer color as well. PS fans need not get upset. These things are determined by the developer. Anyway. I’m a PC gamer and Nintendo fan so I’m not bias…

    • Marko

      It’s funny that you make yourself believe certain things. The Xbone and PS4 have the same GPU architecture so games should look identical in terms of colors. It’s also funny that most xfans believe the colors in the Xbox360 version of AC4 look better than the ones in the PS4 version. That is a major lie. The xbox 360 version has lower rez, fps, textures, details, no AA and the colors are blurry as hell. You could make the PS4 version look the same as the xbox360 if you change the contrast. Why would anybody do that is beyond me.

  • PhilVoid

    If I were to base my opinion solely on the video provided within this article, I’d rather play the game on the system on the right (Xbox One). I’m a bigger fan of black-levels than resolution (within reasonable comparable resolutions). It makes for a better depth, or feeling of 3D.

  • disqus_1bNDZBPsgj

    Seems like the SRAM and faster GPU and CPU of the Xbone make up for the faster RAM and bigger GPU of the PS4 – seems like they balance each other out… Anyway you still can’t fight dragons with 40 other people on 1920×1080 ultra graphics at over 30fps on either system yet, so back to playing on my computer for a year at least.

    • Stu

      You obviously only selectively read that item. They said that PS4 would always be ahead of the XB1.

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  • Larry

    Still can’t beat my GTX Titan. Lol PC is still King!

    • Stu

      Yes, but that’s one expensive GPU. It’s much like comparing a Ferrari with a family saloon.

  • Michael Norris

    The whole Xbox will use AMD’s Mantle makes me laugh……MS will only use DX11.2 Mantle will be Pc only.

  • Christian Dixon

    “just pray that the games won’t cost $70 or more.”

    “Maybe they will price directly at $100, obviously with online DRM checks.”

    These comments are golden!! Looking 6 months back, look at all the PC fear mongers here!! lol They are laughable!!!

  • Amit

    Both the PS4 and the Xbox 360 launches need to be hung with asterisks, slightly; the Xbox One launch was in thirteen countries, while we don’t know how the PS4 will be received outside North America. But both systems sold over a million on launch day, which is the first time that has ever happened in console history.

    And both have a bit of a rough road ahead of them; the Xbox One has more launch exclusives, but neither system is really tearing up the release calendar until the summer. It seems likely that come the summer we’ll have a better sense of who might be able to pull ahead.

    There are reservations and concerns about the future of game consoles. The Xbox One in particular seems the most likely to be reinvented. But, no matter how you slice it, in this fight, it looks like console gaming in general is the winner.

    http://technology-mix.blogspot.in/

  • Ethan Gjurovich

    what is that music?!?

  • jwinford

    ….I bet Sony selected these slightly better specs b/c they know ppl are spec whores. Like the article said, cross platform games will look the same -minus some res diffs- and exclusives titles will look amazing on their respective platforms b/c devs will take time to utilize the respective hardware.

    • Jecht_Sin

      50% is now “slightly more”? Is it the new definition in the MS dictionary?

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  • Carlos Barrajon

    Do you know what kind of wi fi they have in them cause im noticing one gets wi fi wayy better than the other.

    • WallyBaiter

      Xbox One is dual band 2.4ghz & 5ghz, PS4 is 2.4ghz. Bluetooth Xbox One has 4.0, PS4 2.1.

  • HF74

    True release hardware specs are showing the PS4 to be almost twice as fast as the XBOX ONE. Ram is 130% faster and CPU is 80% faster. Also the PS4 is $100 cheaper initially and $40 cheaper outfitted with accessories equivalent of the XBX1. PS4 got twice as many positive mentions in social media as the XBOX ONE. Unless Microsoft comes up with some phenomenal exclusives this war is over.

  • Help!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHm7qvxNajU This is better recording. ps4 recorder sucks, but how this guy did it, it came out much better than before.

    Whoops, not supposed to be as help :D

  • 101

    So I don’t really want to start a war. Iam looking at buying a ps4 or Xbox one, I am not interested in a PC, I do understand it’s probably the more logical option but I don’t want one.

    If you had to pick one which would it be. I understand the ps4 is more powerfull no doubt about that. However thou surely Microsoft would not release a unit that is that far behind in technological terms. Makes me wonder if hey have something up their sleeve? at the moment I actually think that they are trying to push the unit forward by utilizing the one gimmick, being the kinect. if that is the case Microsoft will not be in it for very Long.

  • 101

    So I don’t really want to start a war. Iam looking at buying a ps4 or Xbox one, I am not interested in a PC, I do understand it’s probably the more logical option but I don’t want one.

    If you had to pick one which would it be. I understand the ps4 is more powerfull no doubt about that. However thou surely Microsoft would not release a unit that is that far behind in technological terms. Makes me wonder if hey have something up their sleeve? at the moment I actually think that they are trying to push the unit forward by utilizing the one gimmick, being the kinect. if that is the case Microsoft will not be in it for very Long.

  • 101

    So I don’t really want to start a war. Iam looking at buying a ps4 or Xbox one, I am not interested in a PC, I do understand it’s probably the more logical option but I don’t want one.

    If you had to pick one which would it be. I understand the ps4 is more powerfull no doubt about that. However thou surely Microsoft would not release a unit that is that far behind in technological terms. Makes me wonder if hey have something up their sleeve? at the moment I actually think that they are trying to push the unit forward by utilizing the one gimmick, being the kinect. if that is the case Microsoft will not be in it for very Long.

  • theelviscerator

    Either way the graphics suck compared to pc, and no framerate to speak of, NO AA is horrid.

  • MR.X

    The PS4 dose allow low level GPU acsses and the Xbox one dose not. Thats a big diffrence thats been miss stated in this artical. in proformance thats a huge diffrence when develipers learn how to use it .not even pc allows that even the ones that state thay do are forced to re-go thro the CPU making the process useless because of restrictions. That basicly allows the PS4 to do things the pc curently can not but that said the PS4 only go’s as far as the develipers that decide to use it properly and to its fullest protenchell. When coparing hardware its good to keep in mind that it only shows its acuret protenchell when using sofeware thats running the same (PS4 1080p, XBOX ONE 720p upconverted)on a tv that is good and on top of that the game sofeware is coded diffrently for both systems so one chould have mistakes the other dose not, casing lag,slow load times or crashes. Also its hard to agree that both systems are reltivly the same when the PS4s cpu and gpu where custem bilt for the PS4 while the the company that made the xbox ones are off the line chips and that company also stated that thay chould not produce the chips the PS4 requerd. This is all true it just requers a little reserch to find this info. Hope the people that run this site are exspereanced computer and electronical engeinerrs :-) ps: sorry for the bad spelling and grammer never was good at that:-)

  • Loel

    The difference seems miniscule… it’s easy to get a big wooow when looking at percentages, 50% sure sounds like a lot! but percentages are deceiving…. saying the percentage is 50% more doesnt mean the ps4 is twice as powerful. that’s faulty. Im sure both the consoles will be running games at native 1080p not too long from now.

    • vaffangool

      Brain injury notwithstanding, there is nothing deceptive about these numbers.

      percentages are deceiving…. saying the percentage is 50% more doesnt mean the ps4 is twice as powerful. that’s faulty.

      If you can’t tell the difference between 50% more powerful (1.5x) and 100% more powerful (2x), you have no business calling anything faulty.

  • DBP

    two words, tiled resources. Do some research on it, X1 will blow PS4 away

    • truevip

      Well, I guess one person knows something about visual communications

    • Xtreme Derp

      Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

      Sorry, you’re wrong, your conspiracy theories are dumb and insane, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance.

      The only idiots eating crow are MS fanboys with their constantly WRONG doomsday predictions.

  • Jadon Hicks

    “In reality, due to commercial
    restraints, I expect most cross-platform games will look virtually
    identical across the two consoles for their entire lifecycle. PS4
    exclusives that take full advantage of the console’s superior hardware,
    though, such as masterpieces produced by Naughty Dog, will probably look
    significantly better than anything on the Xbox One.”

    So, it’s the same as last Gen…yay…

  • truevip

    Its funny, how many of you speek of resolution and textures, when none of you truely know shit about graphical display and translation when conjoined with a display. I have a masters degree in visual communications, and everything you girls complain wins one over the other is complete idocracy, because things like 30 fps is the maximun a human can percieve… both are identical, when it comes to true human visual limitations and how your individual display uses the video information provided, to say one is better is ignorance or jealousy. Whatever one you like, is the winner, and should be decided by who provides to your gaming preferences. I personally like xbox one better because of how the video is a more raw signal to the TV, which allows clearer colors and deeper contrast to be achieved if desired. I also think MS is better at being involved with the community, and constantly evolves their products but that is me, if you like sony great. They lost me as a customer after the ps2 and never won me back because their lack of American focused industry, and graphics elements they never fixed like intelligent spacial anti aliasing and depth detail based resolution enhancing (detail is increased as vector function of distance).

    • Alf Sofen

      “because things like 30 fps is the maximun a human can percieve”

      Wrong. 60 fps is about the maximum. 60 fps look sharper than 30 fps when things move. Difference is not big but it is there

      • truevip

        Uh, yea 30 fps. Read a text book, its a known fact

        • Alf Sofen

          Please stop spreading lies on a serious page like this. I have shown with links to test that the difference is there. You can try find a test that show there is no such difference if you think you are right. As almost all monitors can show 60 fps everybody can easily check who speaks the truth here.

          http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates-text

          • truevip

            I don’t need to go to the link, I don’t need to read anything you put as a reference… there is a difference between your opinion, and fact. A medical and science fact. I’m sorry that you guys can’t tell the difference between your opinion and a medical fact… the fact that you see something must mean there’s something wrong with you . movie projectors play 24 frames per second because that’s what you normally see, 30 frames per second is usually used for high action or games because your brain is more intensely focused and able to process slightly faster. now I’m sorry that you don’t believe a known fact but you both must not be out of high school yet, or you just might be stupid, because this is something you should have learned before you got out of high school. There is nothing you can say, or do, to disprove a fact that is concrete. And in order to disprove a fact, it must follow the standard scientific model. This has, which is why its a FACT.

            to argue against a fact is either in defense, jealously, or pure stupidity.

          • truevip

            Until ypu have a masters degree in any field related to human perception, like I do, you clearly have no room to argue. No matter who told you what, or whatever so-called “test” you’ve seen, you are merely stating speculations based on an unproven source. My line of work is based entirely around displaying, and the peception of visual information, and I am required to be aware of these things, and to not take it on faith but know through experimentation that things like this are true.

          • Trae Barlow

            You don’t have a masters degree from anywhere but Bullshit University, if you did you’d know that you’re using the “Argumentum ab auctoritate” fallacy.

            You can’t even form a basic sentence or paragraph out of your drivel of excessive swearing and ad hominem arguments, much less write a dissertation. You probably don’t even know what a “dissertation” is. With your poor writing, and flimsy rhetorical skills you couldn’t even pass a Composition class at a community college. lmao

            Here’s a tip. If you don’t want to make yourself look like a clown, don’t use fallacies in your argument, at the very least use them only in support of a real/valid argument, not 100% on their own. Real educated/intelligent people can spot a fallacy by name just as fast as they can hear/read them.

            Seriously, what kind of “professional” communicates like this “what a faggot ididt moron yuo muts be.!… haaha sad to be you! human eye is 30 fps you must be child I have a masters degree so no room to argue”

            Please knock it off, you’re giving real college graduates a bad name swearing at perceived children in such a rage that you misspell every other word in poorly structured, incorrectly punctuated sentences. SMH

          • truevip

            Well, I guess ur trolling. I dont care what you or others think. I know im right, and jonathan seems to know science. Anybody that matters does too. And yes I do have a masters degree, and because im responding using a tablet without care to my grammer, doesnt negate that fact. I have a life and thats why i don’t care to learn internet lingo. There’s the saying opinions are like assholes, and in your case, an opinion from an asshole. Alot of our world is built around the 30fps standard. 60fps is used more for non visual aspects like collision detection, and quicker response times as it provides more time division for which calculated input/output responses can utilize and put into effect. In FPS this is useful for when one player shoots at roughly the same time as another, with more frames, a discernable difference can then be determined more accurately as to whos bullet traveling a certain distance at the given velocity impacts the target first- so things like mutual kills happen less often. Its a matter of realistic cause and effect timing, not visual aesthetics, although it does help increasing the fluidity, or natural feeling of the picture.
            with a name like trae, im sure you’re a porch monkey, and only a few steps evolved from the jungle.

          • dobyblue

            That’s incorrect, movie theaters do not display at 24Hz at all, they display at 48Hz or 72Hz to avoid noticeable flicker. The original source material is 24fps, but they are not displaying at 24Hz otherwise gross flickering would be introduced. We can still pick up on the original 24Hz used to shoot movies as not being fast enough to capture motion which is why we capture fast moving events at 50Hz or 60Hz, not 30fps as you suggested in your post. F1 for example is shot at 1080p50 and available to broadcast providers at 1080i50 MPEG-2 42 Mbps. In North America they’ll convert to 1080i60 @ around 19 Mbps MPEG-2, in the EU/UK they’ll broadcast at 1080i50 using MPEG-4, the more efficient codec providing a better overall picture. Most tv shows and films are indeed shot at 24Hz with the exception of those now using HFR. One must be careful to clarify.

          • Alf Sofen

            You spread lies. There is no such science you talk about. Therefore you cannot give any such reference because you have invented it yourself. You don’t want to click my link because you know you are a liar and probably an internet troll. Don’t feed the trolls people say. So I won’t write more to you.

          • truevip

            I guess you’re just an ignorant moron, and im sorry that you have to go through life that way…

          • Alf Sofen

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy explains what truevip is.

          • Trae Barlow

            Wow, so you go on the internet and call people you perceive as children “faggots” and “ignorant morons”, in such a rage that your punctuation and lettering completely fall apart? All over some x-box marketing myth that the human eye can only detect 30FPS? You call yourself an “adult” but seems like you got some growing up to do kiddo.

            PS: Plenty of “adults” know what internet trolls are, we aren’t in the 90s anymore. In fact, if you were born in the 80s / early 90s and you don’t know what an internet troll is, you probably have a learning disability.

            SMH. Could you fail any harder?

          • Singh1699

            Even at 90 fps, well a 60hz refresh rate the animations are slower than real life.

          • Trae Barlow

            24fps is old news, movie projectors are moving towards 48FPS now days. Evidently the entire Hobbit audience has “something wrong with them”. Perhaps people have evolved while you haven’t?

        • Carl Lazarraga

          You don’t need to read a book to know that’s false. There is clearly a difference between games that run at 30 FPS and 60 FPS.

          Why do I need a book when I have eyes

        • Trae Barlow

          Nope. Please quit spewing advertising/marketing garbage from the ps2 / voodoo graphics era of gaming.

        • vaffangool

          Anyone who uses the phrase it’s a known fact is incapable of discriminating the difference between reliable science and fatuous hokum like intelligent design.

      • Jonathan Bilodeau

        There is a clear misconception here. There is a difference between clarity and flicker. The human eye detects pure fluid motion at around 24 FPS, but, the human eye can detect far great FPS than 30. There won’t be a hugely discernible difference other than increased clarity. You need to be more clear with your statements. The human eye can certainly detect frame rates higher than 30, it just cannot detect flicker.

      • Jonathan Bilodeau

        There is a clear misconception here. There is a difference between clarity and flicker. The human eye detects pure fluid motion at around 24 FPS, but, the human eye can detect far great FPS than 30. There won’t be a hugely discernible difference other than increased clarity. You need to be more clear with your statements. The human eye can certainly detect frame rates higher than 30, it just cannot detect flicker.

      • VersaType

        Actually humans perceive more than that. We don’t perceive in fps but It’s a lot higher than 60fps if you were to compare it to fps. 60fps is the ideal fps for some games. The higher it is though the better.

    • unwittingnemesis

      ” I have a masters degree in visual communications, and everything you girls complain wins one over the other is complete idocracy, because things like 30 fps is the maximun a human can percieve… “

      Proof that any idiot can earn a Master’s degree…

  • Onmy Owna

    I have to say the graphics on the xbox one appear to me more sharp and vivid than the ps4 which has a washed out look to it

    • WhiteManFromTown

      That’s a damn lie, I have both of them!!

      • VersaType

        Comparisons show it time and time again the ps4 has better resolutions for 4 games but those same games look sharper on the xbox one.

        • Xtreme Derp

          LOL delusional wrong fanboy imbecile.

          • VersaType

            I’m pointing out what everyone has seen. Resolutions aren’t that important. If you think otherwise you’re are the fanboy here and not a true gamer.

  • Johnathon Allen

    You can not call yourself a gamer if you only own a pc. Yes pc is supreme yes it will always be, well all know this and no one is arguing. Fact pc does not get every single game worth buying, no one platform does. You could have the most advanced pc in the world and you still can’t play uncharted , gta 5 , halo 4, infamous etc. you could wait 10 more years for someone to develop a decent enough emulator for them , by then the pc spec might run them smoothly.

    • VersaType

      Exactly! PC, Playstation, Xbox and yes Nintendo systems are all great in their own ways. Owning all of them if you have the money is great for any hardcore gamer. Limiting yourself is stupid unless your just someone who plays cod all day every day.

  • KuroiAmaterasu

    This Kinect stuff sounds gimmicky and idiotic, TBH.

    Then again, the Wii stuff sounded like that to me too, and that turned out okay (for their intended audience).

    • VersaType

      Kinect 2.0 works pretty well for launch. I find myself using it everyday. Not for games typically but for apps and navigation or starting up the xbox and a game when I’m not at the controller. Now it’s not something you need but it’s a nice small luxury that also feels cool if your into tech.

      • KuroiAmaterasu

        At least it’s fun to shout curses whenever you spot your roommate playing 2k14 :P.

        • VersaType

          True. My point is though it’s not as bad as people like to think. Do you really need it? No but it’s a nice addition.

  • achraf
  • achraf

    ps4 hard drive size

    In the ultimate test of hard disk capacity of PS4 IGN, we found that, of the 500 GB HD included with the system, only 407GB is available to actual use player. This is not so bad considering that previously, during the tear down, it was estimated that 408GB would be available. OS and preinstalled applications of the involved PS4 93GB worth of data.
    http://psbox34.blogspot.com/2013/12/ps4-hard-drive-size.html

  • narg

    Reviewers just don’t get the programming “bare metal” ability of the Xbox One’s OS setup. This is why Sony HAD to put more hardware on the GPU, in order to compete with the Xbox One. Otherwise they would have been noticeably slower with 100% identical hardware. Everyone developer on the planet has stated that both consoles are virtually identical in processing and GPU power.

    • vaffangool

      Untrue. The Mantle API is unavailable to Xbox One developers:

      The Xbox One graphics API is “Direct3D 11.x” and the Xbox One hardware provides a superset of Direct3D 11.2 functionality. Other graphics APIs such as OpenGL and AMD’s Mantle are not available on Xbox One.

      Low-level coding can be performed on either console through DX11.x.

      Every developer has determined that the GPU in the PS4 has 50% higher peak performance than the GPU in the Xbox One. Not only does the PS4 has 50% more compute units (and thus 50% higher peak teraflops), but its 5500MHz GDDR5 RAM gives the PS4 a massive bandwidth advantage–the PS4′s CPU and GPU will have 176GB/sec of bandwidth to system RAM while the Xbox One’s 2133MHz DDR3 RAM makes do with 68.3GB/sec.

      Intensively-optimised system-exclusive games may make proper use of the Xbox One’s 32 MB of ultra-fast SRAM, but it is divided into four blocs of 8 MB each, making even the full 32 MB unavailable for quick blasts of data. Overall, it is feature that is unlikely to be exploited often enough to challenge the PS4’s unified memory architecture.

  • Brent

    I still prefer the Xbox One.

  • Dave Jones

    For everyone spouting off how their PC is so much better, take a deep breath.

    PC games generally look and play badly on a TV and to get high quality 30+ inch monitors costs well over 1500 dollars. PS4 was designed for TVs and uses its power to make games fantastic, realistic and look as good if not better than a PC game on a MUCH larger screen.

    I think consoles provide a far better gaming experience, except for lack of modding and lack of indie and strategy games.

    • jkflipflop98

      Completely and utterly false.

      • vaffangool

        +1

    • vaffangool

      You are completely full of shit. Unless you’re talking about an IGZO 4k panel you shouldn’t be paying anywhere near $1,500 for a 32″ monitor capable of reference performance.

      Any modern video card should give you HDMI out–and will render digital video every bit as properly as the dedicated gaming unit. Video cards that are more powerful than next-gen consoles–delivering higher frame rates and greater fidelity at full 1920×1080 resolution–are widely available at consumer-level prices.

    • Andrew Gman

      You are falling behind on the times it sees. I have a 280x and have my computer hooked up to a 60inch 3d tv and it looks amazing. I can even make ANYTHING slighty 3dish on my screen.

      280x = 4.1 terraflops
      ps4 = 1.8 terraflops

      I hardly call the ps4 a “next gen” system. How bout “last years mid graphics card from a laptop” should be more like it,.

  • YOUR MOMMY

    i am gonna kill you in one week

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  • Anonamo

    You know, I was going to say something about the value of graphics in games, but since just about anything I say (especially about graphics) will probably get me flamed, I’ll say this instead…

    “I MAKE THOUSANDS A WEEK WORKING FROM HOME! I WAS SKEPTICAL AT FIRST, BUT NOW GOOGLE CUTS ME A CHECK FOR 1,500 DOLLARS EVERY FRIDAY! VISIT http://WWW.GLERBBYDIDLYSMERKLKOKER.COM FOR MORE DETAILS!”

    Also, when Al Gore gets a sex change and then immediately gets frozen in a block of ice because of global warming, his new name will be Alice.

    Yep, that’s about it. Oh, and Trogdor sends his regards.

  • RazorRuss

    Own a Gaming PC if graphical power and best of high end gaming concerns you. Otherwise, only Nintendo remains dedicated to delivering a unique system of which is no slouch … only $200 for a warrenty refurb bundle direct from NoA.

  • ayobro

    the ps4 cpu actually performs better

  • Earlywakening

    Now I’m not reading all these comments but it doesn’t look like anyone is actually mentioning Azure cloud processing. The author might not of known about this at the time of writing either. Using Azure the Xbox One will have a distinct advantage that the PS4 will have a hard time to keep up with in the near future. Although this does rely on developers actually utilizing the ridiculous tool they have at their disposal.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Demonstrates-Power-Cloud-Xbox-One-63207.html

  • Kevin

    Yes

  • Gil G

    The Xbox One has gotten a patch to get that 10% Kinect loss back.
    The only major difference seem to be the output resolution being different? With having at least 720p it’s a “meh” difference.

  • YouDisappointMe

    I actually like the darker screen of the Xbox its a really nice black tone but I couldn’t help but notice the detail of the PS4. The tones are better on the Xbox but the detail of the PS4 overshadows the Xbox by far. I can get over the shades.

    I don’t get the new systems though when the last systems weren’t maxxed out. Are they going to push these systems? Everybody has an HD TV so what’s the deal?

  • You are flat out wrong

    “Ultimately, despite the Xbox One having a slightly faster CPU, it is very unlikely that the CPU will make a big difference to either console’s relative games performance.”

    Suck it down, Quatman. The Xbone is holding back the PS4.

  • N2K12

    Xbox won.

  • cassasins

    Well we are a year in now in the new gen and yes the ps4 has had resolution advantage on some games HOWEVER in with CoD AW, Dragon Age Inquisition and one other game I cant think of right now, the xbox one has been out performing ps4 in fps. The ps4 is doing 1080p and Xbox One is doing a dynamic 1080p but 900p then scaled and the performace has been better on xbox one. So really, the ps4 ISNT capable of performing properly at 1080p. Im sure they can get the xbox one to do 1080p also but that will hurts its fps just like its doing on ps4. I own both but have gottne all these games on xbox one because performance trumps resolution…