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Porsche fans really, really don't like change. Remember when the 911 moved away from air-cooled engines? Now, as the company prepares to move the vast majority of the 911 line away from naturally aspirated powerplants, one of the brand's highest ranking officials is speaking out to prevent a similar outcry.

Dr. Heinz-Jakob Neusser, the head of powertrain development for the Volkswagen Group and a board member of the VW brand, told Car that turbocharging won't take away from the rev-happy nature of Porsche's current engines.

"Turbocharging is possible with higher revs – it's not true to say that turbocharged engines must stop at 6000rpm," Neusser told Car at the 2015 New York Auto Show. "That's not true... If you look at McLaren, they already have in production turbo engines with high revs."

With turbocharged engines, Nuesser explains, there's no need to go for a super high redline, because engineers are trying to spread the torque over the entire rev range. "It makes no sense to go to 10,000 rpm with a turbocharged engine," Neusser told Car.

The other big concern that comes with the switch to turbocharging focuses on the 911's iconic flat-six exhaust note. Maintaining the car's well-known acoustic character shouldn't be an issue, Neusser said. "Noise is not a problem," adding that the Volkswagen Group knows a thing or two about building sweet-sounding turbos.

"Look at the 911 Turbo; it has an extremely expressive noise today – that is not a problem. At the other end of the scale, the Golf R has it too," Neusser told Car. "You won't miss character with turbos, I promise."

According to Car, the new turbocharged engines will arrive later this year at the 2015 Frankfurt Motor Show, as part of the current 911's facelift.


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      Matt
      • 1 Day Ago

      I actually hope the turbo engines are the bees knees, then the price of used models equipped with the n/a engines will plummet. A used Cayman GTS would be the perfect "fun" car if you can get a low-mileage one for ~$40k. 

      However, if history is any guide, the turbo engines will piss off their "purist" customers (no matter how good they are), sending used prices for the n/a engines through the roof. 

        Christopher Anderson
        @Matt

        "However, if history is any guide, the turbo engines will piss off their "purist" customers (no matter how good they are), sending used prices for the n/a engines through the roof."

        Bingo. The same way that NA Ferraris (Scuderias especially) are spiking now.

        EvoShift2
        • 1 Day Ago
        @Matt

        Only a idiot buy the pathetically weak Porsche NA motors. Let the fan bois choke on them.

          Matt
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          Most of their top n/a engines exceed 100 hp/L. If that's "pathetically weak", what exactly is your benchmark? 

          Rick C.
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          Obviously it's the USS Enterprise.

          KaiserWilhelm
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          EAT GLASS

          Christopher Anderson
          @EvoShift2

          Evo, when comparing cars, yes, power-to-weight is a better measurement. But when you are comparing just the engines, power-to-weight is almost meaningless. Anyone with half a brain can build a 500 hp 7.0L V8, but it takes serious engineering skill to get 500 hp from a 4.0 flat-six.

          Just for fun, an LS7 is 430 lbs, and a GT3 RS 3.8 Mezger is 403 lbs. The 500-horse RS 4.0 lost some engine weight compared to the 3.8, so the power-to-weight of the engine is 0.8 lb/hp (at worst), while the LS7 is 0.85 lb/hp.

          To continue this comparison, the C6 Z06 has a total power-to-weight of 6.23 lb/hp, while the GT3 RS 4.0 is 5.99.


          What exactly was your point?

          EvoShift2
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          Power per liter discussion is for LOSERS and ricers. Intelligent people and racers analyze power vs. weight. 

          EvoShift2
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          Chris- Are you so stupid that I have to spell it out for you?   GM makes a 7.0L engine that is the SAME weight and size as a 3.8L Porsche.  The LS7 makes 470ft lbs of torque compared to the PATHETIC 310 ft lbs from the Porsche. Not to mention, that LS7 will make 600hp+ with a cam and long tubes.  Porsche's N/A engines are as PATHETIC as their fan bois.

          PS: We were talking about the GT4. How much is that GT3 RS? Yup. PORSCHE IS PATHETIC.

          EvoShift2
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          Chris- If you knew as much as you think you do, you'd understand that power, weight, and size are HUGE factors in analyzing a ENGINE. The compact size, low weight, huge power, high reliability/simplicity, low cost, and massive aftermarket is what makes the LSx/LTx engine family great and makes the Porsche N/A engines so pathetic in comparison. It's also why a 440ci LSx engine will make 650+HP, fit in a Cayma, 911, and even RX7 while making twice the torque and weight the same or LESS.   Go weigh and measure  a AMG 6.2, Porsche 3.8, or Mustang 5.0L, compare it to a 7.0L LS7, and get back to me.

          I repeat, Porsche pricing and pathetically underpowered N/A engines make Porsche a JOKE.

        PatrickH
        • 1 Day Ago
        @Matt

        People that buy used Porsches are, in some cases, completely different types of people than those that buy new ones.  And these dyed in the wool fans, speaking as one myself, are not going to take too kindly to the death of the NA flat six.  We don't care (as much) about fuel economy or (excess) safety:  we care about the driving experience.

      pavsterrocks
      • 1 Day Ago

      Sweet - this will prop up values of all the naturally aspirated 911's, including the very basic C2 997 which I happen to own.

        johnnyhedwardsjr
        • 1 Day Ago
        @pavsterrocks

        I own a C4S and I am hoping the same.  I personally don't care, but if I can get into a 991 Turbo S for less after a trade in then I'm all for it.  I have no love for the N/A for real and if it goes then it goes.  I have always wanted a Turbo Porsche anyway and so do most Porsche guys, so if they want to decide to all of a sudden love NA more then more power to them.  Let them pay $100,000 for a NA Porsche just because.  

        Dvanos
        • 1 Day Ago
        @pavsterrocks

        I hope so cause the C2 997S is my favorite.

      johnnyhedwardsjr
      • 1 Day Ago

      I can't wait for this change.  It will make modification much easier for us.  Also there is said to be a much needed power pump across the board.  The base 911 will now be over 400 hp while the Turbo S will be pushed to around 600 hp.  

      GregoryW
      • 1 Day Ago

      I have a 2015 Boxster base with a PDK, my first non manual transmission after passing up on BMW and Audi's dual clutch boxes. It's a slow but satisfying Porsche - the acceleration isn't going to knock the wind out of you. I, too, would like to get into a turbo Porsche for under $150k. 375 HP and 360 ft/lb would be plenty given how little a Porsche weighs and where the weight is. If you can tune another 10% out of it, that's fantastic but it normally requires a pricey cooling upgrade if you're going to track it.

        EvoShift2
        • 1 Day Ago
        @GregoryW

        What kind of fool pays $80k+ for a Cayman that doesn't have acceleration that "knocks the wind out of you"  ???? It's a SPORTS COUPE !!!!   They Cayman GT4 is a awesome car........for $30k. 

        In response to the clueless fan bois, you can buy a new C7 Corvette with 460/460 for $47k if you shop around that will embarrass  a GT4 when stock, and SMOKE a 911 when modified. 

        The current 911 Turbo S should sell for under $100k new. The prices are ridiculous. But, a C4S with a turbo motor comes closer to making any sense. 

          elanjacobs
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          They banned you because you're a useless, noisy troll. Pity autoblog doesn't do the same

          AlfieR
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          Funny, you sound like a clueless vette fan boy right there

          thefightingbull
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          A modified civic can also beat a C7 corvette. Your argument adds no value. 

          Christopher Anderson
          @EvoShift2

          When comparing OE cars, mods should never be brought into the discussion. Given enough money, I could build a Honda Civic that would beat a C7; it's a never-ending subject.

          Also, you probably didn't get banned for bitching about the C7, but for saying the exact same damn thing in every single thread that is graced with your presence. Also, you're a twat.

          EvoShift2
          • 1 Day Ago *Edited*
          @EvoShift2

          I can buy a brand new C7 for $47k. You should know that the C7 will KILL the GT4, especially with a few dollars in mods. Tune, long tube headers, and tires are cheap and basic. Give me $10k and a C7 and I will DESTROY that GT4. If you actually race cars or spend time at a track, you know I'm right. Don't even get me started on what a C5 or C6 can do for MUCH less money. 

          With all that said, and money not a consideration, a 991 Turbo S is my favorite daily driver right now. 

          Christopher Anderson
          @EvoShift2

          Because it has grip that knocks the wind out of you. 

          So you're saying that a Cayman GT4 is worth the same as a 370Z? At least the Porsches won't overheat running up a mountain

          A base C7 will not beat a GT4 on almost any track in the world. Since you love power-to-weight so much, the C7 is 7.49 (using C&D's weight for a Z51) and the GT4 is 7.67. That's a paltry 0.19 lb/hp difference and the GT4 has massive grip, aero, and braking advantages.

          EvoShift2
          • 1 Day Ago
          @EvoShift2

          If i'm a "Corvette fan boy", how come the c@nts at their forum banned me, a corvette owner since 1997,  for saying the C7 is pathetic for not offering a PDK/DCT and AWD as OPTIONS?  I am a educated car fan. The Porsche 911Turbo S is my favorite daily driver, but the rear engine layout and price are PATHETIC. 

      ferps
      • 1 Day Ago

      first they came for the air-cooled engine, but I was not air-cooled, so I said nothing...

      Barry Hubris
      • 1 Day Ago

      You do miss it.  Had many turbos.  They're fun and easy to tune.  But an NA engine screaming to redline is kinda more visceral.  

      EvoShift2
      • 1 Day Ago
      Now that the C4s gets a turbo motor, a USED porsche FINALLY BEGINS to make some sense financially. The prices of all porsches, rear engine, and the gimping of the Cayman makes Porsche a PATHETIC company.
        KaiserWilhelm
        • 1 Day Ago
        @EvoShift2

        EAT SH*T AND DIE

          Aussie Aspie
          • 1 Day Ago
          @KaiserWilhelm

          At least the latter will be something new for him.

          EvoShift2
          • 1 Day Ago
          @KaiserWilhelm

          Fan bois showing their stupidity. Typical. Do you girls even own a Porsche with money that you earned?

          EvoShift2
          • 1 Day Ago
          @KaiserWilhelm

          Fan bois showing their stupidity. Typical. Do you girls even own a Porsche with money that you earned?

          EvoShift2
          • 1 Day Ago
          @KaiserWilhelm

          Fan bois showing their stupidity. Typical. Do you girls even own a Porsche with money that you earned?

        KaiserWilhelm
        • 1 Day Ago
        @EvoShift2

        EAT SH*T AND DIE

      Azazel
      • 10 Hours Ago

      Most of the Porsches i've seen are driven by people who don't even know where the engine is let alone care what type of engine is in it. I am certain Porsche's sales will not suffer this change.

      PatrickH
      • 1 Day Ago

      "With turbocharged engines, Nuesser explains, there's no need to go for a super high redline, because engineers are trying to spread the torque over the entire rev range. "It makes no sense to go to 10,000 rpm with a turbocharged engine," Neusser told Car."

      Of course there is, it's called F-U-N.

        jack
        • 1 Day Ago
        @PatrickH

        I live at 7000 ft and any NA engine is 20% down on power at this altitude. I haven't had a NA car since 91. You rock Porsche!


        jack
        • 1 Day Ago
        @PatrickH

        I live at 7000 ft and any NA engine is 20% down on power at this altitude. I haven't had a NA car since 91. You rock Porsche!


      Bernard
      • 1 Day Ago

      In a world where the rest of the auto industry is surging forward, Porsche stays mired in the past.

        ScottT
        • 1 Day Ago
        @Bernard

        Which is why Porsche seems to be struggling so much now...  oh wait....

      Teleny411
      • 1 Day Ago
      Gross. Piped in sound. I wish this stupid turbo fad would die.
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