Another day, another BNP behaving badly.

Following on the heels of Z. Budapest’s incendiary remarks, news is circulating that Christian Day, a prominent figure in the Salem, Mass. occult and pagan scene you may remember from his attempt to curse Charlie Sheen, has been sharing people’s private information in a public venue. When contacted by one of the people he “outed” who explained that among the many reasons she used a pseudonym was to elude a violent and threatening stalker, the “world’s best-known warlock” responded as follows:

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Yes, you read that correctly. This guy actually said:

I hope your stalker has some fun with you.

As well as:

Oh, and by the way, if he rapes you, please call out my name while he does so.

I am sickened beyond words. This vile creature’s ego is so bloated with hubris that he believes not only that speaking to an abuse-survivor in such a way is permissible but that he will suffer no consequences, either professionally or magically, for doing so.

Perhaps it’s time to show him otherwise.

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158 thoughts on “Another day, another BNP behaving badly.

  1. Hail Melinoe, may your shrieks haunt his sleeping hours and your shadow his waking.

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  2. Oh my Gods, Christian!

    Sadly, this is not the first time he has done anything so misogynistic. When I was training in Stregha under the family of the late Dr. Leo Martello, Lori Bruno was constantly called vile names and cursed out by him in front of people. She was called all sorts of derogatory words, and so were customers in his shop. Lori continued to work with him for a while, though.

    A mutual friend who tested positive was also outed on Facebook during a lengthy discussion and disagreement about race and privilege. Christian is no stranger to controversy, and we have had our own arguments about his behaviors. I’m disgusted this has happened.

    I know he feels he is in the right for trying to protect his partner from being attacked by other Wiccans in the Alexandrian and Gardnerian Traditions (his partner is Alexandrian), but he is magnanimous in his own mind due to his savvy business skills and mainstream success. The various BNP’s and their egos in Salem have all led to each person wronging the other; you wouldn’t believe the intense drama between him, Lori, Laurie Cabot, and others. He has also played down “Trigger Warnings” in a laughable way, feeling that victims of abuse need to get over themselves.

    It’s for this reason and more I swore I would never visit Salem, even though now he is in New Orleans. Disappointed and disgusted, Christian. >_<

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  3. I have had the misfortune of meeting this guy once. He was rude and incredibly dismissive of me while clearly playing the ‘don’t you know who I am’ game. As he didn’t know who *I* was and I didn’t bow down and kiss his butt over who *he*, I was apparently beneath his notice.

    It is also quite amusing when someone puts out that they could never, ever be touched by any sort of retribution work. All it takes is one person to find the tiniest of cracks in even the strongest shields, one person with a particularly strong spirit ally, one person with that bit of knowledge that you don’t have, or one person who has more than enough time to proverbially chuck darts at the bullseye featuring your head all day, all night. No one is fully bullet-proof, ever.

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  4. Rebecca Buchanan

    … holy …. This is … wow …. This is one of those situations where I wish I actually *did* know retributive magic. :( At the least, I’ll send a prayer to Nemesis, Melinoe, and Artemis next time I stand before my altar. Ugh!

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  5. Reblogged this on Kvasir Amongst the Gods and commented:
    Behold! Another BNP (who I had previously never heard of, honestly) whom I don’t give a crap about and never will!

    Completely unacceptable. May the community take to shunning this fool, depriving his voracious ego of it’s diet of petty nonsense and immature posturing.

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  6. I hope he meets the business end of someone’s fist.

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    • I hope it’s mine.

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    • He probably already has, if you think about it. I mean, he’s approximately Sannion’s age, and Sannion is a few years older than me (at least), and I know *I’ve* certainly made my share of enemies, and most of them were during the time i was still desperately trying to live as female –so I figure if not for that, in fact, I *know* if not for that I would’ve been punched in the face a few times.

      That said, you’ll never hear about it from Day until his situation gets so bad he just can’t deny it anymore.

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  7. Eilis

    Never heard of him before in my life, but since he owns a store, how about a picket line out front so potential customers know what type of person they are giving their money to?

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  8. Brandie

    This is the standard of conduct put forth by a leader of the Hellenic Community? Who I was told is the only initiate of Dionysus? How much pride and hubris does Sannion have to be full of to think he can play judge, jury, and executioner with any man and direct his brainwashed goon squad to attack someone just because he sees fit? I’m with the Christian man and say you’re a weak enough priest that you couldn’t curse him effectively even if you wanted to.

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    • Who said a curse was even needed? When you are a fake and fraud, with burned bridges, in OUR community… get ready to be called out. He is hanging himself…and whoever goes along with him. You just stay over there with him Brandie…serious practitioners don’t take him, or his minions, very seriously anyway.

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      • Serious is the key word… but there will always be sycophants named Brandie…. these people usually have armies of these pod people.

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    • Brandie, you were told no such thing. I’m sorry if your reading comprehension isn’t high enough for you to understand what you were told, but the fact that you are willing to side with a man who advocates rape says everything about your character anyone needs to know – in case there was still any lingering doubts.

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    • Any adult woman with the name of Brandie, well, we know there’s nothing slowing the wind blowing between her ears… unless it’s the thoughts that Christian Day put there for her to think.

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      • I am no fan of Mr. Day, and find what he wrote, to be deplorable. But I’m truly disturbed by this petty back and forth from people. Attack an opinion. Attack a stance you disagree with. Educate people about rape culture. But to pick on someone with whom you disagree, about her name?

        Aren’t we better than that? Have we forgotten the basic ethics that we follow about doing harm to no one?

        And if we’re going to speak out on the ethical treatment of women, shouldn’t part of that be giving basic respect to one who has chosen to comment here? Again, for the record, I don’t stand with Mr. Day, and I take what he said very seriously. But we must be able to address issues which arise within our community, in a way that is respectful of the divinity that flows through all of us. Even Brandie. Even Mr. Day.

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        • Before you come in lecturing people might I suggest familiarizing yourself with a situation first?

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        • No, obviously, I am not better than that, sorry to disappoint you, though I do know it’s unfortunate that her parents stuck her with a stripper name. Luckily I don’t feel the need to live up to your standards, better luck next time! I also don’t believe in divinity, so that doesn’t work either… but I do appreciate you trying to be the blog police, good for you, go get ’em tigger.

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    • Dearest Brandie… You seem to be mistaken as to the source of the above quote, for it was not aimed at the fine gentleman who owns this blog… but at me. I actually have never commented here before, although I have visited from time to time. Standing with Christian Day is, of course, a choice you can make. (Although, I would not call it a wise one at this point in time.) And unlike Mr. Day, I don’t really get into Drama-Llamaing, and aiming vitriol at persons of non-interest ;) Enjoy your days of being a banner carrier for Mr. Day. I have a feeling they will be limited though… No one *really* likes being caught in an epic poop-storm… and that is what is brewing from all signs I have seen.

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      • I am so sorry for what was said to you, Amorella. I have seen this issue talked about and finally read the comments for myself. I was disgusted and disturbed that someone who follows the Gods would choose to speak to another human being the way he spoke to you. And I’m shocked that anyone following this spiritual path, wouldn’t understand why some people might want or need anonymity. I truly hope that you remain safe, and your family as well.

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    • Brandie, wow. Just wow! I’ve stayed away from you since last week’s issues, but to actually support someone that encourages rape? What planet are you on?
      I don’t know if you’re just a troll, stupid, drunk, high, sick in the head or all of the above. But you have my sympathies. I think you need professional help.

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    • Brandie, I don’t need to curse Christian or you – merely by shining light on your words and deeds I render you powerless:

      http://thehouseofvines.com/2014/09/04/you-do-not-speak-for-hellenismos-and-you-certainly-do-not-speak-for-our-gods/

      Truth is the most potent of spells.

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  9. I would just like to say that, as the target of this particular comment by C.D., that the outpouring of support from my fellow pagans/witches/polytheists has been… Live-saving. (I will not lie, I had a few freak out moments, and almost deleted my facebook page over this nonsense.) Just the simple fact that people have taken note of this, and cared enough to condemn it makes me think that perhaps it will all be OK. I have taken measures to continue living in safety from my stalker, and… Well, if CD thinks Im going to go away and forget about this, he is quite wrong. Yes, I had words with him, but he needs to learn that *this kind of thing is NOT OK.*

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    • Amorella, I am so sorry you had to go through this. No one, absolutely no one, deserves to have such vile things said to them.

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      • Thank you… Honestly, and from the bottom of my heart :) As I said… knowing this is not getting ignored has been a healing process of it’s own.

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        • It’s good to hear that people are not ignoring this! Honestly, I’ve gotten so fed up with self-identified pagans that I honestly thought this’d be one of those incidents that most people couldn’t wait to make excuses for.

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          • Oh, there is some of that going around… But it is minimal for the most part. I think all but the super-hard-core CD fans have released that A.) This was so far over the line, trying to excuse it would backfire and B.) Im not really the quiet, going away type. Im not afraid to say I took this rather personally (Not just the rape comment, and the outing of my real name, but the insanity that set those two things into action, wherein Mr. Day used my good will to hurt other people.) The bottom line for me is… I will not allow this kind of thing to continue. I had NO part to play in his drama involving his fiance. I have no connections to anyone even in the Gard community. His decision to target me was strictly based on “I don’t like her friends.”

            It’s insanity… And he has continued to taunt me as well.

            I see no good reason to let him get away with this.

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    • Ilyssa

      I’m showing this to all the Pagan people I know. I’m so sorry you had to go through this…nobody deserves to be spoken to like that. I hope he gets what’s coming to him ASAP.

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    • menatandivy

      @Amorella Moon We’ve got your back girlfriend. Our solidarity is it’s own Magic. It’s far more potent than anything that scum calls Magick (TM). I will NEVER set foot in HEX in New Orleans EVER again! If I knew of this before I went a couple of weeks ago, I would have hand out flyers with his FB quote and ask that people entering his store to reconsider giving that worthless pile of flesh any money.

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    • Christopher Blackwell

      When it comes to public Pagans, Wiccan or other kind, it is our duty to speak out when they misbehave. After all public ones smear the rest of us when they misbehave So we have the right to call them out.

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  10. suileangaoth

    This is so disgusting! I hope he gets what’s coming to him!

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  11. The thing that gets me is, why does he have any validity at all? I can remember in the 80’s, Laurie Cabot being a laughingstock… but I guess time passes and memories are short and frauds and their students become the greatest warlocks on tv. TV witches, what would we do without all the laughs?

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    • AndreaSalgadoReyes

      This matter has no degree of being funny whatsoever. Incitement to rape is a criminal offence.

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  12. Stacey

    This guy is nuts. Plain and simple. He wouldn’t know true Witchcraft if a spell bit him on the arse. His behavior is that of a child throwing a tantrum and he needs a time out.

    Personally, I say we hit him where it hurts a media whore, a big united boycott. Not only of him but of the authors and shop owners who associate their brand with him. Christian’s brands is dying and he knows it. He pulls stunts like this to create the drama because in the day of reality TV, that is what sells. He needs to learn that there are consequences to his actions. He is not exempt. Boycott Christian Day and everything he is associated with. Raven Grimassi, is due to appear on his radio show soon. I am posing a question to Raven, is this the type of person you want your reputation associated with? If so, then I will not purchase anything further from you either.

    Also, I will not spend my money by traveling to Salem or New Orleans anymore. While they are two of my favorite vacation spots, I will not support them with my money while they allow someone like this to take advantage of people.

    My money, my choice. I call others to do the same.

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  13. I don’t even know what the original issue was about, but these comments were enough to make me unfriend him immediately. He then wrote to me saying it would have been nice for me to ask him his side of the story before unfriending him. I would have written him back and said “Fair enough. The thing is, I can’t imagine any situation wherein commenting that if someone’s stalker rapes them he hopes the victim calls out his name, would in any way be appropriate”, but he blocked me. If he hadn’t, I would have asked him if he was being slandered, for only then would his “side” be justified in my eyes. (Slandered by someone photoshopping his FB comments, yeah, not bloody likely).

    Soooo. Anyway. I was appalled to see this written to you, Amorelia.

    And this concludes my participation in Pagan drama for the year.

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    • That is very much appreciated Ms. Knight.

      (Also of note, I did not alter the screencap at all… I have a high quality bmp Image as well… the jpg.s always have all that… noise :/ )

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      • Oh I didn’t think it had been altered at all. I would have just said that to him as a way to demonstrate that would be the only justification in my eyes. But since he blocked me, I guess he knew already that he didn’t have a leg to stand on.

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  14. DevonWitch

    Day’s comments are hateful and vile – but for anyone who has met him even once they are not at all surprising. I made the mistake of working for him (very briefly) some years ago. I have never in my life met a more egocentric, self-aggrandizing, entitled and grossly immature human. He deserves nothing but scorn from the Witch/Pagan communities.
    Amorella, I am deeply sorry that you have gone through this pain. I wish you healing and peace.
    As for the rest of us, I hope that this example of Day’s true colors does go viral. And let us all do everything we can to see to it that his shops in Salem and New Orleans are abandoned by customers. It’s time for this hate-filled little child to reap what he has sown for so long.

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  15. cbtucker

    Hail to the Erinyes, and all the spirits helping the greater pagan community to cleanse itself. May we recognize your works and do what is necessary to carry their blessings into the world.

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  17. Jill Combs

    I am appalled by his comments as well.

    To Know, To Will, To Dare, To Keep Silent. Just remember those words if any work is to be done to stop his negativity and vile heart.

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  18. To the author of this article ….why would you use Z Budapest’s name in an article about his remarks when Z has worked and spoken out and yes done magical work for the protection of women from rapists for many years? Her remarks at PantheaCon are not remotely related to this idiot!

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    • Because, she’s just behaving badly… if you notice the title, Big Name Pagans (BNP) behaving badly. Both Z and Christian Day have made themselves laughingstocks.

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  19. Lethe

    Is he a BNP? I ask not only to question his standing in the Pagan community, but his Paganism in general — and not in a “no true Pagan…” kind of way. When the Kenny Klein situation hit, CD took to the blogs to loudly proclaim his opinion that those who were speaking out against Klein were giving Paganism a bad name (showing how hilariously lacking in self-awareness he is), while also taking great pains to separate himself from Pagans in general (though he was more than happy to enrich himself by selling Pagan wares in his shops.

    (http://wildhunt.org/2014/03/allegations-emerge-after-pagan-author-charged-with-possessing-child-pornography.html#comment-1310397511)

    Yet, his Anubis rattle-shaking warlocking, caked-on eye makeup attention whoring, and online petulant temper-tantruming is nothing compared to this. Doxing people and wishing sexual violence on them? Sounds like those affected should get the law involved, and the rest of us should boycott this man-child and any of his shops and projects.

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    • Woa. That’s just a special kind of special. In the future (and I kind of hope I never have to mention Day again) I will respect his identification and not lump him in with paganism. He may be a disgusting, misogynistic predatory shit but no one deserves to have a religious label applied to them they don’t want.

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  20. Heather

    What Christian said here is vile, vicious, horrific beyond words! Z. Budapest has spent her life fighting for women’s rights, even leading rape protection squads back in the day. Even if you don’t agree with her tactics, and in this case her poor choice of words, it is no where near as horrible as what he said! Blow it up, can be used as an expression to mean starting over. She may be behaving badly, but he is promoting violence, rape on a person, and making fun of her pain. I request you to separate the apples from the oranges here, and remove Z’s name from this blog post, that should be only about Christian, and the evil he is making! He has done enough damage to deserve a post all to himself!

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    • Oh please! Z has set back women’s rights for equality and instead promotes the superiority of women and bashes men (especially gay men). Z has supported the statements of Witch Wind in that all sexual intercourse between a man and a woman is rape: even if consensual. Z has also stated that all men are gay and they have set with women to hide their gayness.

      Those statements are just as vile, because now all men are rapists! And let’s not even go into her public statements with regards to her blatant transphobia. So if you and other Z supporters are saying she has done so much for women’s rights in rape, clearly there is a bigger context that’s dangerous being implied here.

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    • Well… I don’t find Z.s comments about people who are not women to be okay. I’m a feminist of the Ye Old Tyme, where we just want to be equal, not to make people who are not women to be lesser. I find a lot of her comments offensive because it makes me as an OG feminist look bad.

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      • Heather

        As an old time feminist, certainly you cannot believe that Z’s words this week are even in the same realm as Christians!? Where is your outrage about Christian’s sadistic remarks to a rape victim? Honestly, NO woman should even be mentioned in this blog post about him. We need to stand together in this fight against a culture of rape!

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        • You’re kidding me right? I guess it’s okay to slam and deny transgendered people, and crucify people who promote rapists? Excuse me? I think it’s all wrong and I think Heather that making one okay and the other not okay is wrong headed… but I guess yeah, transgendered people aren’t really real so we can stomp on them, right? This is why I think Z Budapest is crazier than a bedbug and really doing MY feminism a harm… meanwhile, I am working to get Christian Day booted off of facebook where he made these comments to my friend… He didn’t just say that to my friend either, he threatened two other of my friends that day and they aren’t getting any help… so let me tell you, I’d like to grind Christian Day under my boot, but I have room for a crazy fanatic like Z Budapest as well.

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    • Show me where Z uses the phrase “blow it up” in the sense you mean and I’ll remove the post. Until then I am going to take the most obvious interpretation of that as a threat of violence and consider her a terrorist.

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      • Heather

        I am asking you to remove her from this post about Christian, not the previous one. He deserves to be featured alone in this one about rape! She had her day in the last post, and that was all her. Today’s post about Christian requires a title more severe than behaving badly, and Z should not be mentioned in it at all! Yesterday you suggested Z is a terrorist, and today Christian should be called, perhaps a vile predator, or something more imaginative! Thank you for calling him out. I just do not like Z mentioned in it, when it had nothing to do with her, plus she gets plenty of blogosphere time anyway.

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        • No. Defenders of Z and defenders of Day are saying exactly the same sorts of things. “It was just one comment.” “They were just blowing off steam.” “Think about all the good they did – is that to be lost because of a single moment of stupidity?” “Words don’t matter.”

          They absolutely do matter, and it’s about damn time we start holding people accountable for them.

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  21. His comments are incredibly childish, he has a very long way to go. I am not dismissing his offensive statements and they are hurtful words, but he is obviously very young – in more ways then one.

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  22. Two people messaged me this morning to bring your blog post to my attention as I’ve been writing about sex, ethics, and rape culture in the Pagan community. I can’t say that I’m shocked, but I am appalled at Christian Day’s comments.

    As I so often say, I wish there were better ways to call out leaders and teachers in the Pagan community/subculture. Standing up and posting about their behavior is a good first step, but then it turns into blog battles, and not a lot changes. People will still listen to his podcast, they will still buy his stuff. They’ll insist, “Well, he’s got some attitude problems, but he’s just such a great teacher,” or whatever excuse comes up.

    We keep on excusing our abusive leaders and teachers. And that has to stop.

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    • Tzipora

      Shauna, Finding the best ways to stop this kind of behavior continues to be elusive. I am personally thankful that you are doing the work you are doing to help us recognize that there are issues in the community and we need to find a path to appropriate boundaries.

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  23. I agree, Shauna. What people say in public really gives a negative image for all and leaders should be more careful. This guy – I am sure he does it on purpose. What is most concerning is the abuse people receive in person from leaders and elders who use and abuse those who seek their guidance.

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  24. What a vile excuse for a man… And as for being the “World’s Best Known Warlock” his fame hasn’t reached this side of the pond! As far as I’m aware Christian day is a Rugby Union player from Northampton, England ;)

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  25. What a complete ass! I don’t care who he said these words to. It was entirely unacceptable.

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  26. juliaergane

    The problem as I see it (and this is entirely my own opinion and I don’t mean to insult anyone) is the fact that so-called neo-paganism is not attached to any decent form of ethics. The wishy-washy “Harm None” is just that — wishy-washy, filled with feel-good clap trap. I am not sure how many of the “elders” have heard of Aristotle. The amount of pure selfishness that I see in these BNPs behaving badly would have me striking them off my list if they were not already, including Adler. I have standards and they are HIGH. I do not want to be ashamed because the ass-hats have risen to the top.

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    • Azri

      WHOA! actually the “harm none” is the highest form of self discipline. if you adhere to it through your daily life and are true to that concept? HELLO! that is the BIGGEST way to make great changes in the world.
      i try not to harm folks, some days there is no avoiding it so I try to hurt no more than is absolutely necessary…

      not wishy washy at all.

      of course, this is all open to interpretation.
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      truthfully, there are VERY FEW BNP’s i even notice. that being said? Kerr Cuhulain & Selena fox, maybe 2 more? THOSE 2 have my utmost respect. i have met both & they are SUPER intelligent & EXTREMELY nice down to earth folks!

      Kerr (& his wife, also an author, Phoenix McFarland) especially ..Kerr’s shit is so square you can STACK IT! he LIVES what he writes. he walks the walk and talks the talk. unlike some of these would be BNP’s. his wife is also fantastic! the both of them were VERY nice to myself and my children when we met them.

      all other BNP’s? not interested.
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      hell I’ve only heard that twat CD’s name twice in my life in passing and really could give a damn less what he thinks, feels or does. what he wrote? wow.. just wow..

      look, the universe will get him in the end. of that i’ve no doubt.

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      ” I do not want to be ashamed because the ass-hats have risen to the top.”

      *ROTFL* that is PRICELESS!! and true in my opinion as well. i don’t follow ass hats. :D

      by the by? this is my 1st time here.

      have fun storming the castle!!

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      • Azri

        ehm, so he “apologized?

        whoopty do. he didn’t apologize because he TRULY MEANT IT! someone else CLUED him into the need to play CYA.

        apologized my frilly aunt Gertrude! PFFT!

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      • Azri

        finally saw a picture of him. isn’t he that twat fraud that ghost adventures got to do a “ritual ” when they visited Salem? Holy Hera! i blew a gasket over that tripe!

        YES !! thats the same loser!! OMG!! he’s considered a BNP? why? *FACEPALM* no WONDER the world doesn’t take paganism seriously!!

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        “Ghost Adventures: Salem Witch House Ritual ”

        THAT’S WHERE i heard his name from…i laughed myself damn near into a hernia watching that BS fluff n stuff!!

        just goes to prove there isn’t just 1 born every minute!

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      • Actually, if you really sit and analyze the concept, Azri, “Harm None” by the basic vagueness of it… is impossible. What qualifies as none? Just animate or sentient creatures? Or do they have to be self-aware? Only humans? Or are insects, animals, plants, birds and things in that as well? Where is that line drawn?

        It is too vague.

        Just the sake of existence requires us to harm something in order for us to survive. But that tends to get explained away in some sort of b.s. way that suits them at the time. One of many reasons why the whole Rede just does not sit well for me.

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        • Yup. Every time you take a shower and brush your teeth you are exterminating millions of microorganisms – and I’m personally okay with that. There are many ways to describe nature, but sentimental isn’t one of them.

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        • Azri

          hmm, i see what you mean. i was just saying how i felt about it and use it in my life.

          do you know if has anyone considered expanding on the harm none idea? lil more concrete rules?

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          • Rebecca Buchanan

            … Well … I wrote a term paper in college imagining a (utopian) society. I wrote three foundational tenets for the society, the third of which was “Do Not Murder.” I very deliberately used the word “murder,” as opposed to “kill,” and explained that it was the willful destruction of life/lives outside of the natural need to eat/maintain existence/et cetera.

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          • Not that I’m aware of and I doubt it will happen. Most people that adhere to the ‘Harm None’ and nothing more tend to do that as a way to step away from dogma and lists of “oppressive rules and guidelines from the patriarchy.” *shrug*

            You also can’t ever get them to agree on anything without it turning into a mud slinging contest. I like my ethical system. It’s all laid out for me nicely to work with a is, in a nutshell – “do in moderation” and “be a decent human being”

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        • To me it smacks of people who have difficulty leaving Christianity where the deity passes down laws like that, as let me tell you, my English ancestor witches had no problem harming plenty, that’s why they invented the word CURSE. It also gives people a way to feel that they know that they’re doing the right thing, not really doing anything at all… so much fear of action that they’ve taken the witchcraft out of witchcraft.

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  27. This is appalling behavior and shows the truth of who this person is. I’ve never seen anything from him that has warranted praise or respect but now I will be sure to turn away from him and keep this truth in the light as best as I can.

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  28. Sierra

    He deserves nothing better than to be forgotten, his name erased by the tides of history as if he never was. Despite the fact that ‘BNP’ isn’t necessarily a compliment, he doesn’t deserve that descriptor either. May he find nothing more than backs turned against him, eyes turned away, his pathetic and shameful attempts to garner attention by shock and vile words all come to naught.

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  29. So that Wild Hunt post Luis Valadez linked, about Yeshe Rabbit’s coven? I happened to already have that up in my browser thanks to catching up on Ruadhán’s blog.

    I was browsing the comments and look what I found: http://wildhunt.org/2012/03/amazon-priestess-tribe-retires-from-z-budapests-dianic-lineage.html#comment-461669124

    Also uploaded a screenshot to imgur in case Discus is being an ass. http://i.imgur.com/EWEJLfN.png

    Hmmm…

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    • I actually remember when that conversation took place. I was in Stregha at the time and Lori was present during that communication. It was passed down to the rest of the line as an example of bigoted behavior, since we had several gay men in our lineage.

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  30. I went to CD’s Facebook wall, to make sure I had unfriended him, and found that he had posted a fairly complete and strong apology there. I don’t know if he communicated it directly to the offended party; I would hope so.

    Wonders do never cease.

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    • G.

      Yeah. He had a surprisingly productive conversation with someone about diplomacy and appropriate behaviour last night, rather late. That person encouraged him to make that apology, and also was very clear that the apology obligated no one to forgive him, whether right away or in the future for his actions. But that it was the best step he could take. Now, we’ll see if it sticks.

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    • I feel compelled to offer that his apology is completely egocentric, as his apologies tend to be. You have to look at Christian Day and his pattern of abusive and harassing behavior. Guess who often apologizes? Abusers. They bring flowers, and then their codependent enablers forgive them and sign up for more abuse. When it happens this often, it’s a pattern.

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      • I know we all need to be accountable for our behavior, and you’re right, he does have a pattern of anger and abusive language. I think anyone who knows Christian will automatically state that as a fault no one can ignore. Even Christian himself knows this.

        I read his Facebook wall post, and I really do hope things become different. Not just for his sake, but for the sake of his relationship to his partner whom he recently met and fell in love with. In many ways his partner’s presence has changed a lot of Christian’s behavior.

        I’m just as appalled as everyone else at his remarks. Christian has also stated that he is a victim of abuse, and perhaps he really does need professional help. Speaking for myself, I know I did. I was abused (which I’ve written about), and sadly for a time became an abuser myself. It took years of therapy and support to get to where I am now, and thankfully that person seems like a past life that wasn’t me. I only hope the same for him.

        Simultaneously, I am glad Sannion brought this to our attention. And I’m glad the community has spoken out about this.

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        • I hear you…and yes, the sad truth is that most abusers were also abused. And sometimes, there’s help to be had.

          However…it’s not an excuse for repeat behavior, even when folks are genuinely contrite. Or at least, it’s not an excuse unless the behavior changes and sticks. My ex fiance (and former teaching partner) was always contrite, but he’d go right back to cheating on me (with students and community members), lying, stealing, and emotionally abusing me. It wasn’t even until after he was out of my life that I understood that the sex wasn’t always consensual.

          We did therapy, he was supposedly “getting help” and every once in a while, he does go into contrite/admitting he did wrong/seeking help mode…but then he goes right back into his harmful behaviors. And it’s sadder than I can articulate because my ex really could be an amazing community leader. He wants to be. He just can’t seem to stop harassing and hurting women.

          There are second chances, and then there are hundredth chances.

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          • You’re right, and it’s a sad truth that lots of people are not able to overcome those behaviors and they remain in those patterns.

            As sad as it is, accountability and standards is the only sure method our communities don’t allow abusive and derogatory language and behavior to continue. Absolutely.

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            • It’s why I keep finding myself in the position of speaking out against abusive and harassing behavior on my blog, and on Pagan Activist. Even though the hatemail I get is significant, someone’s got to speak out. And, I can’t ask others to speak out if I won’t. I only hope that–somehow–we can begin to build a healthier culture together, and a culture of leadership accountability.

              I can dream and hope :)

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      • His apology is a standard abuser faux-pology, making excuses for his actions and generally not actually apologizing, just trying to win sympathy. So, yes, what Shauna says!

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      • G.

        To be clear, I have no intention of either forgiving or forgetting his behaviour, nor do I encourage anyone else so to do based on anything he has to say about it. For me, having only heard about the discussion from the other party (who wasn’t Day), the productivity came as much in understanding how broken he is, because it took any kind of coaching at all. That having been said, it is not impossible that he could have legitimately understood what he did wrong. I don’t know. It’s possible that if he did understand it, he could also understand that some serious psychatric treatment is probably in his best interest. As is changing his field of interest, and trolling habits. And maybe he’ll actually do that.

        I don’t think he will. But he might.

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    • No he did not, and neither did he apologize to the other people he threatened that day. He pm’d me and told me that that was because the Christians might use it against him… he’s loony tunes…

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    • CatMorte

      I’ve read that apology and it’s nothing more than damage control.
      See, real apologies are given specifically to the person to the person you’ve harmed. Real apologies also don’t make excuses for the behavior.
      Honestly, if I squinted my eyes when I read it I could see the Baptist minister.

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  31. Lucky 13 Curio

    I Gypsy do not believe he is truly sorry. First off, if someone had to call him and counsel him in the lessons of diplomacy, then his apology is empty! If he was not compelled to apologize out of a true sense of remorse, then his apology is a sham. Lets not lose sight of the fact that it should not have been said in the first place. It does not change his character. I’m sure the apology was motivated by the fact that his “muggle” customers as he calls them might not come in and buy his over priced trinkets if they find out he is an advocate of rape. As some of you know he is fond of throwing around the word peasant to the pagan community, so obviously money is what makes him feel superior to others. If you truly want to hit him where it hurts, stop supporting him. I agree with Shauna. It really never stops with him and we have tried really hard to just ignore and block him as much as possible.

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  32. Stacey

    I completely agree with Lucky. His apology is hollow and only comes after the fallout and after being coached to do so.

    He is an abusive bully who needs to learn a lesson. A real lesson. Not just someone coaching him to make an apology. The people who feed into his ego and drama are only enabling him and perpetuating the problem.

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  33. This is not the first time he’s done something like this, especially as I know just before this, he threatened two people which is farther up in the conversation that was not screen capped.
    http://www.salemnews.com/news/local_news/article_fe531c5d-ab39-532f-b768-84e71254c648.html

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    • Franny Glass

      Yeah I’ve seen his apologies before only to be followed up By more bad behavior. He is the sickest form of abuser. And all of the piss dribble running down that apology thread. The women should be ashamed to sympathizing with him. Apologizing whole getting you ego stroked is just pornography for the abuser.

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    • Jill Combs

      I read the news article. He should have been removed off the tourism board immediately. Who would want that price of skank representing Salem!? Oy Vey!

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  34. Yikes.

    Nothing like waking up from a fitful days sleep to find that half of the witchy community is staring at you, waiting for you to say something profound or bitchy.

    Let me start off by saying that the last 48 hours or so have been rather surreal for me, and Im still processing, and still playing catch up on many things, having just got my account back after a 24 hour suspension.

    The very first thing I am going to address is the amazingly strong support I have gotten from not just my close friends, but from the overall pagan/witchy/polytheist community as a whole. Your outpouring of honest feelings, support, and community is so far beyond anything I ever expected that… I can never really repay you all. Each well wisher, each shoulder offered in support, and each voice calling out with mine on the wrongness of this situation has made this whole thing bearable for me.

    I am aware that right now, I have a rather alarming number of eyes pointed in my direction, eyes that are going to be gauging, judging, and measuring me and my response to all this. Most of these sets of eyes have no idea who I am, or any idea of the personality behind the screen, and I find that to be unfair *to them*. I do not want anyone putting me on some kind of dias just because I became collateral damage in a witchy war I had no hand in starting. You all deserve honesty form me, and Im a painfully honest person.

    The first thing all you folks who don’t know me should know about me is that I am not either a wilting flower, nor the raging bitch a few people have labeled me as. Im not the type of person to back down from a fight (this might have been… egh… noticed lol), but Im also not the kind to take up a fight that I do not believe is just. Im also, for all my presence online, a DEEPLY private person who is finding all this attention drastically unusual and… weird.

    Now… Back to the matter at hand.

    It has come to my attention that yesterday afternoon, Mr. Day issued an apology on his wall for the general public, and I both read it, and I am keeping a copy. I think that this apology (as generic as it was) was indeed a step in the right direction for Mr. Day. It was a FAR cry from his taunting remarks made the day I released his PM to the public. I have to admit that I have quite… mixed feelings about this. One the one hand, I don’t think anyone is “Beyond” learning from their mistakes… and on the other, I am still having to adjust to life unmasked to a man who very likely still means me harm, and I will admit that I am still very, VERY angry about that.

    Mr. Day may have indeed been very angry when he issued those PMs, and I understand that. Our full conversation has been published a number of times by now for anyone to go have a look at if they like. Anyone who has read them will note that I was being FAR from ubber polite with him. I accept that judgement, I was being a tad… scathing.

    I will be honest though… I cannot just shake this thing off. I put off writing this open letter this long because I have not been very emotionally stable since Mr. Day outed my Alias. I have been fighting old fears, slight panic, and an anger that should I unleash it, would burn bright and dangerous as the Sun. That is NOT the time to be penning anything of worth really. But even with a fitful rest, and plenty of hours between me and my initial anger-panic, Im having a very hard time reading any true remorse in Mr. Days words.

    I realise that he is taking a hit in the Court of Public Opinion, and I realise that I have had quite a hand in that, what with all my “Not shutting up.”, even with my facebook disabled. But I have seen my anger reflected in so many people during this, and they all have their own reasons for sharing this story, and that screen capture. The state of the Pagan Community is, right now, in a kind of disarray, as we keep discovering the people we look to as leaders are all to human, and sometimes deeply flawed. As a whole, we are frustrated, disappointed, and frankly becoming smart enough to look past “The Glamour” of our big name pagans. I see this as a good thing… a sign of growing pains that any community is going to have as it grows older and wiser.

    We “Everyday Pagans” need to keep in mind that, at the end of the day, we really *do* have the power to appoint our own leaders, and express our own power. I am one woman, and my story has reached thousands… but it ONLY reached thousands because other pagans took it upon themselves to advocate for me, for rape victims, for stalker victims, for women, and for this community as a whole. You, all of the amazing people who shared, commented, read, and reposted are the actual Victors here, and I hope you all realise that.

    Im going to end this by letting everyone know that yes, I am taking my and my childrens personal safety VERY SERIOUSLY. My life situation is so much different than it was when my stalker was targeting me it’s hard to believe. I have a strong support structure now, and far better means of making me and my home safe. Your well wishes have not fallen on deaf ears though, and If I can, Im going to try and say thank you to each and every one I come across :)

    And here I leave off for tonight… Wishing that Blessings fall upon you all like rain.

    Amorella Moon AKA Amanda Parker,

    With Love.

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    • Please don’t feel the need to apologize for yourself for any “scathing” remarks, bitchiness, or whatever. The safety of yourself and your children is paramount. Let no one stand in the way of that, nor make you feel wrong for defending you and yours.

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    • Honestly, it kind of pisses me off that all eyes are turned towards you. I’m sure you’re very nice to look at and you’ve been conducting yourself superbly, all things considered, and I’m immensely happy that you’ve received an outpouring of support, but you’re the fucking aggrieved party here.

      No matter what kind of person you are or what you may or may not have done in the past what Christian Day did was wrong, full stop, end of story, no further discussion needed, it is never, under any circumstances, ever okay to tell a woman that you hope she gets raped. And until he makes proper atonement for that (say by making financial restitution, throwing out all of his eyeliner or cutting off his balls, whichever would pain him more) he deserves to have the heat of public derision cranked up high on him. Making a half-assed apology and shedding some crocodile tears because a respected member of the community is coaching him to do so just doesn’t cut it.

      In fact, as much as I despise this piece of human detritus it’s not even really about him anymore. It’s about community and the standards of behavior that we will or will not tolerate. Are our communities safe places for women and children and transfolk and minorities and others in potentially vulnerable positions? After all the stuff that’s been coming out since the Kenny Klein story broke I think we can emphatically state that no, they are not.

      So what are we going to do about that? What kinds of language and actions are we going to tolerate? Frankly I’m sick to death of people paying lip-service to outrage and then quickly sweeping it all under the carpet before any uncomfortable changes have to be made. People valuing freedom over not being a dick to one another. People giving tacit approval to this shit through their silence and indifference or worse yet being abettors or shifting the blame and attention onto the victims of outrageous acts. If we, collectively, don’t start doing better, treating each other better, the whole fucking thing deserves to burn to the ground.

      Again, I’m so sorry you’re going through this and hopefully this situation will force positive change in our communities.

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  35. Oh trust me, Im not making ANY excuses for Christian Day. But I do want the people who have poured so much support in my direction to at least have an idea about who they are supporting. That is important to me on a personal level I guess.

    For the record, I have not, and will not just let this go… What he did in those moments of anger has pretty much changed my whole life, and I am still in the process of… well, of figuring out where I go from here.

    All I know for certain is that I will not be bullied into silence… I face what ever comes next with my chin up, chest out, and a gleam in my eye that is gonna worry the hell out of anyone who knows me very well ;)

    ~A~

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    • Please don’t feel that any of that frustration is directed at you. It’s entirely intended for the community which is apathetic and tolerant of this sort of behavior all too often. People need to understand that their words and their actions have meaning – and that goes both ways.

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    • G.

      I’m trying very hard not to turn my attention to you for just the reasons stated here by others. To be honest, there’s nothing you’re doing that should be scrutinized, and I sincerely hope that other people realize that relatively quickly. You were wronged, your family is in danger, you’re in danger, you’re freaking out (entirely justifiably), and you’re making a laudable effort to continue on with your life anyway. There’s nothing you’ve done, or are doing, that is worth the attention of the community, in regards to this, unless it’s providing an example of how to overcome those things. And the only way you should be expected to provide that is if you decide to offer it. Dealing with the kind of trauma you’ve had to deal with (based on the few interactions we’ve had online, and my own experiences in similar situations) is something that should be allowed to be as private as desired by the person who is recovering and healing. I sincerely hope that you are allowed to return to your alias relatively soon, and that you’re able to avoid a great deal, if not all, of the danger that’s been thrown your direction because of this.

      I do, however, want to express my appreciation for your lack of shutting up, your lack of willingness to roll over or be intimidated, and the fact that you were and are willing to let that exchange be very public. I think it demonstrates an incredibly important side of him that shouldn’t be ignored. I think his behaviour afterwards on his internet radio show was reprehensible. I think that shouldn’t be ignored either.

      I won’t lie, I’ve had some rough patches with you in the past, and I do, actually, have you blocked on Facebook. I still firmly believe you are the wronged party here, and I stand completely in support of you because of that. It’s regrettable that such a deeply abiding issue with “the community” (such as we have one) had to be pulled out into the light through such a harmful and reprehensible choice on his part, but the one good thing I hope comes out of this is a little more judgment on the part of others for who we respect as leaders, and a little more willingness to call this kind of behaviour of his (and the other folks who have been behaving rather poorly of late) to the carpet and demonstrably lack tolerance for it. Because, at least in my eyes, that kind of stuff is unacceptable.

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  36. No, I fully understand your frustration… It’s a frustration I share actually. There are lots and lots of people in the generic pagan community who are actively “Not Helping”. There is a lack of education, leadership, and a very strange proclivity to mistake “fame” with “worth”. (This is actually a pet peeve of mine LOL… I’ll stay off my soap box for now however.)

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  37. Lana Jones

    I found this on Facebook this morning : https://www.facebook.com/boycottchristianday

    He reaps what he sows, as it should be.

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  38. Well, color me unsurprised. I’ve heard of him as being a guy who profits from a “witchsploitation” persona (probably catering more to tourists in Salem than serious Pagans/Witches) He rather reminds me of Jonathan Sharkey, a dude who showed up in Minnesota to run for governor on a “Witches, Pagans and Vampires Party” ticket. No one here knew him. Complete stranger, but we had to deal with the publicity. Not “outing” people is one of the most basic social norms of any Pagan community. I have people I can’t stand, but still would never out. Then adding rape threats is just beyond the pale of bad behavior.

    Now, even if he had been someone I respected as contributing good things to Pagan communities (whether my own or someone else’s) I would still be denouncing him and lose respect.

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  39. Heather

    I am NOT defending Z! I am just outraged that others are not as outraged about Christian’s vileness to even just give him one day of repudiation without bringing Z into the discussion again. Why is it that women behaving badly are so reviled forever, but a man behaving repulsively is chalked up to youth, or stupidity, and well he apologized, so when’s that Halloween party he’s throwing? I smell the stench of patriarchy!

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    • I feel your frustration and I don’t want this to blow over or be swept under the carpet any more than you do. I also don’t want this to become about Z, which you’re kind of making it. My inclusion of the link was to remind folks that it’s not just Christian – we’ve got an epidemic of pagans behaving inappropriately and then trying to weasel out of being held accountable for their words or deeds. Her gender is irrelevant to that, though I think there’s actually a lot of misogyny and unexamined patriarchal hold-over in the community. The reason I did that is because if people think it’s just this one guy behaving badly they don’t have to examine themselves or the role they play in all of this. They can give token denunciation of him and then go back to being oblivious, thinking the problem’s solved. It’s not and it won’t be until we seriously start to dismantle the dysfunctional habits and structures in our communities. But focusing on Z is the wrong thing to take away from this.

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      • Z should never have been included in the post to begin with – which was Heather’s point! You want to focus on CD – why mention her at all? She had her day of ridicule! I think what Christian has said is horrific and he should be censured for it. In my opinion when one becomes an Elder it is important we make every effort to serve as a role model but it is also important to remember that elders are human just like everyone else. They don’t become perfect – ever. What goes on today is no different from how it has always been – we just know about more of it. That’s a good thing but we need to remember the humanity of all and not always be so quick to judge – nor inflate what actually happened.

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        • If the person doesn’t have enough self-control to curtail diarrhea of the mouth they don’t deserve the respect of being considered an elder.

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        • *scratches head* Maybe it’s just me, but I always find it interesting when any non – Christian will seek out to ridicule the elders of that faith because of their bigotry or greed, yet turn around and excuse the behavior of our so – called “elders.”

          “Oh they’ve done so much for the cause, don’t you know?”

          Yeah, yeah: that’s the same excuse for the Frosts, Kenny, Z, and others. I’ve been yelled at to “respect your elders, boy!” These aren’t my Elders, so I have nothing to worry about when I criticize their behavior.

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          • G.

            I respect Z for a lot of what she’s accomplished. I appreciate what she has done that is good. That doesn’t exhonerate or excuse her for her inappropriate behaviour and bigotted beliefs. Perhaps I’m breaking her into two people, the good work she did, and what she’s doing now, with what I see to be a distinct lack of good work alongside it, even. Does that make sense?

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          • Bingo. And just because someone is a respected elder doesn’t mean they’re above criticism. I applaud Z’s early efforts to legalize divination and get people worshiping goddesses once more. I don’t support the hateful rhetoric she spews about transfolk, gays, and other minorities in our community.

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          • who the hell is excusing it? I don’t think anyone who has spoken out about including Z in this post is excusing her. Using a woman, however, that has spoken out against rape and rapists in the same message of one who wishes rape on another is inappropriate. If you want to stir things up for CD – then don’t bring in others to be looked at in the same context. At least chose someone who is pro-rape! You want to talk about CD – then post about him.

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            • I don’t see any difference between her threats of violence and his, except that Z wants to use a bomb to hurt those she disagrees with and Day wants to use a penis. Both are wrong and deserve to be called out.

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            • For the record I’ve made six posts and one reference to Christian Day and one post and one reference to Z. Stop hijacking this thread to defend your bigoted elder, especially if you legitimately care about rape.

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            • Z has promoted something else just as dangerous: the notion that all sex between a man and a woman, even if consensual is rape. All men are rapists (so now I question her anti-rape stance and what that really entails).

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              • Yup. Which muddies the water as far as actual non-consensual sexual acts are concerned. As a devotee of Aphrodite I consider rape not only a violent crime but blasphemy.

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        • And if you don’t like the way I called out Christian Day, why don’t you call him out on your own blog?

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    • Z Budapest deserves extra scrutiny for her transmisogyny alone. She’s doing an immense amount of damage to some of the most vulnerable people not just in our communities but in society as a whole.

      Yes, women always seem to be more frequently criticized than men, and our behavior more deeply criticized, but Z is victimizing women here, too, and that should always be taken into account.

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      • She’s crazy, I enjoy sex, and let me tell you, I’m a strong woman who will not be ever confused with an old fashioned woman, for example, in the 80’s, I learned how to ride my motorcycle and work on it when even few lesbians did. So, saying that, I think that Z is wrong headed and forgettable as a fanatic, I wouldn’t take action against her as I am doing with Christian Day, but I think she needs to be forgotten, her day of harming my feminism is over. But you just keep bringing her name up and protesting… to me, it’s getting more and more obvious that bad attention is better than no attention.

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        • She is still doing harm to trans women. She is still excluding them and calling them horrible things. As long as she continues to do things that actually harm people, she should not be allowed to slink off into a corner and have her misdeeds ignored.

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  41. BellaLuna

    This is not the entirety of the conversation, nor is it presented in genuine context. Why not tell the whole story, to include Christian never outed Amorella’s identity, that he was attempting to apologize for blocking her, NOT for reporting her account, which he did not do because he prior liked her, and that she fat-shamed him and ad-hominem’d the conversation long before he went off on her?

    here is the FULL conversation:

    8/30, 3:44pm
    Christian Day
    Hi Amorella, I am terribly sorry. I mass blocked a bunch of people who are on that Thunderdome and I got heavy handed. Please accept my sincerest apology. I always love what you have to say even if you are in that horrible group. LOL
    Today

    7:04pm
    Amorella Moon
    Awwww, so cute.
    Try harder pudgy man. Im not afraid of my real name

    7:08pm
    Christian Day
    Nor should you be
    As I said, I apologize. I was heavy handed.
    But at least next time I get accused of something publicly, people will know I might enjoy the crime I was accused of. Well, short of eating poop or anything weird like that.
    Since Pamela remains unchallenged as an admin after what she did, I must confess, I have few regrets other than the handful of you I actually liked.
    I can pretty much rest assured the Gardnerians and Judith their pit bull will be leaving Brian alone.

    7:12pm
    Amorella Moon
    Right. You are just S*O* torn up about it, you reported the one person who defended you…

    7:12pm
    Christian Day
    I didn’t see you defend me. I just saw Catherine do so.

    I’m not saying you didn’t, but I don’t recall it and in the mood I was in at the time, I wasn’t exactly scrutinizing.

    Amorella Moon
    Um, Cat would have never known you were booted if *I* had not told her and called bullshit.

    7:13pm
    Christian Day
    well, hence part of why I apologized.
    not that I knew you defended me, but I knew you were one of the cool people.

    7:13pm
    Amorella Moon
    And for the record? If my stalker finds me, Im laying all the curses I left for him AT YOUR DOOR. Because you gave him the means.

    7:13pm
    Christian Day
    But if we’re going to have a discussion of honor while you’ve got Marcus Jackson on your page, who gave illegal drugs to his boss’s son knowing that said boss’s son had a basket of emotional problems is about as dishonorable as anyone can get.
    and I have an admission from him in email after weeks of lying about it.
    one I would be all too happy to post publicly should he keep his bs up.

    7:15pm
    Amorella Moon
    This is not a friendly chat. Know that your name will NEVER pass these lips again, unless it is to pass word of your misdeeds to M’Lady. Everyone sees you for the over-dramatic drama whore that you are. And you have nothing of possible interest to ever say to me again.

    7:15pm
    Christian Day
    LOL!
    I hope your stalker has some fun with you.
    bye bye now
    Trust me. “pudgy” hovers around the upper surface of how deep my words can cut.
    You couldn’t curse me if you tried. LOL
    All of you and your keyboard warrior friends together wouldn’t be able to make a dent in what I do.
    Oh, and by the way, if he rapes you, please call out my name while he does.
    Cheerio.

    7:18pm
    Amorella Moon
    This attachment may have been removed or the person who shared it may not have permission to share it with you.

    7:18pm
    Amorella Moon
    LOL, from the man with not a stitch of personal honor…Karen Cotton

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    • So in your world if someone calls you “pudgy” it’s okay to threaten them with rape? That’s good to know.

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    • and not only that, he threatened 2 of the moderators of that forum… oh wait a minute, 3, I missed one thread. He’s also spent quite a bit of internet time GLOATING about how he screwed over Amorella Moon. That’s also documented. Which negates his apology.

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    • CatMorte

      I’ve read that apology and it’s nothing more than damage control.
      See, real apologies are given specifically to the person you’ve harmed. Real apologies also don’t make excuses for the behavior.
      Honestly, if I squinted my eyes when I read it I could see the Baptist minister.

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  42. Franny Glass

    There is actually a screen cap where he admits it.

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  43. Listen Christian spent a good part of the previous few weeks reporting all sorts if people and owning up to it. After a group he was in lost favor with him he targeted all of them. There is proof of all of this. It will all come out. He is a liar and a coward.

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    • He reported me, but then I started a discussion forum about him, it didn’t do anything as I use my real name. :) I just had to prove it.

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  44. Actually BellaLuna, Christian fully admitted to reporting my name on his facebook wall not long after I initially made this screenshot public. Now, as I understand it, that post and all of it’s comments were taken down fairly quickly, but there is indeed a screenshot of it. Also of note, the above dialog has been released for some time, I even have the full screen capture up on my own blog for the whole world to peek at should they wish.

    I have been FAR more transparent during this incident than most people would find comfortable (It actually IS uncomfortable by the way)… Exactly because I knew that once this all got out, Mr. Day and his people would dry desperately to spin it every which way from Sunday, and that my only armor would be in ice cold facts, and full honesty.

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    • It seemed to me, after he attacked some of our other friends, that if they don’t support him in the manner of total fandom, he starts throwing a temper tantrum. I was appalled at what he said to the mods, telling them that if he had to act properly that was a ‘no’.

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  45. Andreanna

    I am really in awe. You are suppose to be the victim of a stalking? But your name and face are all over this, plus other stuff. While I understand that Christian’s words were awful….he is a human being who made a mistake. He does not condone the rape of “women”. He made a stupid comments and regrets doing so. Your witch hunt and trying to destroy his business, etc…..is worse then the comment. What kind of people are all of you? What does this say about you? As far as the “victim” goes….you seem to relish in this shit.

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  46. Andreanna

    and you want everyone to check out your blog…..OMG, you are nothing more than an Opportunist!

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  47. Excuse me? what about all the other threats he made, Andreanna zombie? I was THERE… I know all of what he did, I’m not a airheaded superfan. Just because you’re a fan of a psychotic media whore, doesn’t mean we’re not able to see through his shit.

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  48. Andreanna

    Zombie? Fan? Hrrmmmm….just an observer to all of this BS. Amorella seems to enjoy spreading this crap all over the internet. Sure does not seem like a person terrified of a stalker. I smell a whole lot of bullshit

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    • Andreanna whatever may or may not have led up to the initial confrontation, Christian Day made despicable and inexcusable comments. I posted about this because I think it’s time for us to start demanding accountability in our respective communities. I do not know Amorella and I did not post at her request. If you have anything to contribute to that discussion you are welcome to do so, but if you keep trying to shift the blame and make this about Amorella you will be banned and your comments deleted.

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    • CatMorte

      She ought to spread it all over the internet, although there’s no enjoyment involved.
      Andreanna having been at ground zero when this was happening I can assure you there were threats made concerning reporting names in private messages. Oddly enough a number of people in that Facebook group have had to go back to using their legal names. This is too much coincidence.
      You really need to find someone else to fan girl over.

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  49. Andreanna

    Honestly…just read her blog. “Deeply private person”….my ass! If the stalker “finds me” it is his doing? You are an attention queen. Anyone who has half a brain can see it. You made it viral!!! Give me a break. See, I am not a politically correct person. I am a person who speaks their mind, no matter what.

    I have had a real stalker for YEARS!!! Someone who would love to kill me. Your behavior is not one who is afraid of a stalker. You are not a “private person”…you relish in this crap. I do not know you nor him, just happened upon this junk because you started posting it everywhere. Saw stalker and thought of my own situation. Then saw what this real was….a stupid opportunist who is far from private who wants a whole lot of sympathy & a bunch of idiot people who go along like ignorant asses.

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  50. Mr. Day stripped me of having any choice in the matter of “Having my face and name out there.” when he reported my name as fake on facebook. I had two choices after that.

    1) Hide and hope for the best.

    2) Advocate and Fight.

    Of the two urges, the hide one would have been much easier on me over all. But, Im sticking to my decision to Advocate. And Im grateful to the people who have decided to Advocate with and for me.

    Silence in this situation would have been a betrayal to just about everything I believe in and stand for, and I don’t hold it against you for not understand all that..

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  51. Andreanna, you have a stalker? so, you think I should talk to you about your stalker in the same way? Should I hope that your stalker gets you and when he rapes you, you can scream my name? I mean REALLY? Why are you part of the rape culture??? Blame the victim? In your desire to have your head stuck up some guy with a lot of eye make ups ass, you’re becoming part of the rape culture… here, let me introduce you to Z. Budapest… it’s the blaming of the victim that create the cray crays like Z. Budapest.

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  52. In the past, especially since the Kenny Klein stuff came out, I’ve been writing about the abusive leaders and teachers in the Pagan community and the difficulty in speaking out against abusers. A lot of my writing has been in some ways my attempt to define the problem. In other words, how can we more effectively speak out? How can we support those people who are brave enough to speak up? When I have spoken out about my own ex, or other leaders, I have seen the victim-blaming pattern unfurl like clockwork. Just as it is unfolding with many of the comments here.

    And it’s not acceptable. What people do to whistleblowers is horrific. I support people who stand up and speak out, and at the same time, I cringe, because I know what they are about to go through. I’ve written on my thoughts on that recently on the Pagan Activist blog…though I have no answers, only questions.

    http://paganactivist.com/2014/07/14/sins-of-the-whistle-blower/

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    • Well said, Shauna. The only reason I am permitting Andreanna’s comments to stand is because it’s evidence of the disgusting lengths some will go to justify the unjustifiable. Every time we see this shit in our communities we should call it out and hold them accountable for their words and actions.

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  53. Shauna… That link… Thank you so, SO much for that. I needed to see that this morning.

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  54. Franny Glass

    Did you see this? This is more of the conversation that ensued directly after he sent the above to Amorella where he kept tagging her so she would continue to see and be verbally insulted. Als this is the first “apology” where he still makes it about himself:
    It is an addition to this blog http://cowardlychristianday.tumblr.com

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  55. Reblogged this on The Quill Is Mightier and commented:
    Is this the kind of deplorable crap I’ve missed hiding away in my home, sick as shit, avoiding the greater pagan community? Reprehensible behavior from so-called BNP? I’m not really surprised, sadly, and I know that the blog I’m linking from is a few days old now… but good lord.

    I kind of want to go back to hiding now. I avoided mainstream paganism to try to heal myself, at least I wasn’t missing much in my absence.

    This man is a degenerate. At least I can sleep well knowing hubris is generally punished swiftly.

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    • Tzipora

      I understand that feeling of “why did I come out of hiding?” all too well.

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