The Petals Drop: Why Calvinism is Impossible

One of the greatest debates behind the doors of the church today is in regards to God’s sovereignty and human responsibility. Typically, this debate is divided into two camps: Calvinism vs. Arminianism. Calvinists are rightly quick to defend the providence of God; however, in the process, their case eradicates human freedom and genuine responsibility. Arminians are usually quick to defend human responsibility for sin as this makes sense of hell and it prevents God from ultimately being charged with evil. However, many Arminians wind up diminishing God’s sovereignty in the process.
Years ago I struggled between these two ideas, as the Bible seemed to affirm both God’s sovereignty and human responsibility. I ultimately adopted the Calvinist position because all of my pastoral influences at the time were Calvinists and biblical passages like Romans 9 seemed to seal the deal.[1] I went on to not just label myself a Calvinist, I embraced it wholeheartedly; I believed it, bought it, taught it, preached it, prayed it, and lived it! I became an ardent “5-Point Calvinist.”

If you aren’t familiar with “5-Point Calvinism,” it is based on the acronym T.U.L.I.P.

Total Depravity
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints

After teaching these points to my youth group students several years ago, this philosophy started to seem iPhone 633unsettling. Moreover, around that time I really started getting into apologetics. Ironically, a Calvinistic pastoral colleague of mine introduced me to the work of Dr. William Lane Craig. I started watching his debates, and in November of 2010, I watched the video of Dr. Craig debating Christopher Hitchens at Biola University.[2] I was starting to love this guy until he made a passing comment that he didn’t agree with Calvinism.

WOAH! Stop the presses! Did this guy who is systematically destroying all of these atheistic arguments just denounce Calvinism? I immediately did what any good aspiring theologian would do and turned to Google! Pretty soon I stumbled upon the doctrine of “middle knowledge,” a.k.a. “Molinism.” In a nutshell, this view basically attempts to logically reconcile God’s sovereignty with human freedom and responsibility by stating, “God chose to create a world in which He knew with omniscient certainty how humans would freely choose.”[3]

It soon occurred to me that the dichotomy between Calvinism and Arminianism is a false one. That is to say, there are other possible options to consider; namely, Open Theism and Molinism. I began studying all four of these views and comparing and contrasting all of their claims and affirmations.

Initially, I was bent on disproving these other views because of my commitment to Calvinism. I honestly studied them almost every single day for over a year to demonstrate why they were wrong and why Calvinism was true. One day I was driving home from the church office, after scrutinizing Molinism all day, and I called me wife and said, “I think I’m losing my faith – in Calvinism!” I freely chose to label myself a bona fide Molinist!

Since that time, I have grown to abhor the Calvinistic teachings as the view is not only logically incoherent, but unbiblical as well! This is primarily due to the “I” in TULIP and the belief that humans are not genuinely responsible for our thoughts, beliefs, and actions. That is to say, a consistent Calvinist denies that humanity possesses libertarian free will to choose or do anything. Calvinists typically affirm that God creates us all with a spiritually dead nature (we are not responsible for this), and only God can change our nature to be spiritually alive (we are not responsible for this).

The focus of my master’s thesis was to prove atheistic naturalism false by logically proving the human soul exists. I did just that by logically proving that humans possess libertarian freedom, and this is only possible if we are more than merely physical beings. That is to say, there must be some immaterial aspect of our existence (i.e., the soul) that allows us this freedom in a deterministic cause and effect material universe.[4]

My thesis systematically destroyed atheistic naturalism just as Paul describes in 2 Corinthians 10:5, but there was also significant collateral damage to Calvinism. In fact, Calvinistic determinism was destroyed in the process of destroying naturalistic determinism. I have developed several logic-based arguments demonstrating the fallaciousness of Calvinism and I am planning on sharing all of them in the future, but as for now, I will focus on one of them that I call the Omni-Argument Against Calvinism. It looks like this:

1- If Calvinism is true, whomever God provides “irresistible grace” to will go to Heaven and not suffer eternal Hell.

2- If God is omnibenevolent, He would not desire to, nor would He, send anyone to suffer eternal Hell for choices they were powerless to make without God’s irresistible grace.

3- If God is omnipotent, he could provide irresistible grace to all people.

4- If God is omniscient, he would know how to provide irresistible grace to all people.

5- Some people suffer eternal Hell.

6- Therefore, either God is not omnibenevolent, or not omnipotent, or not omniscient (pick at least one), or irresistible grace (and Calvinism) is false.

For my fellow logic geeks out there, here is my argument in symbolic form:[5]

1 – C –> ∃P: I & ¬ H(P)
2 – G ≡ OB –> (desire) ∀P ¬ H(P)
3 – G ≡ OP –> (could) ∀P I(P)
4 – G ≡ OS –> (know how) ∀P I(P)
5 – ∃P H(P)
6 – ∴ ¬OB v ¬OP v ¬OS v ¬C

This symbolic form demonstrates the structure of my argument is valid, and the conclusion logically follows from the premises. If one is committed to reject the logical conclusion, they must demonstrate which premise is false to show my argument is unsound. A Universalist (one who denies eternal Hell exists) could reject (5) and thus deny the conclusion. That would lead to a debate where I would have to demonstrate that eternal Hell probably does exist. I am more than happy to use not only Holy Scripture, but straight-up logic alone to demonstrate the truth of the fifth premise (stay tuned for an upcoming article on the untruth of Universalism).

Now, if the committed Calvinist affirms that eternal Hell does exist, since the structure is valid and the conclusion follows, they must deny one of God’s omni attributes, or argue that one of his omni attributes does not imply what I think it implies. The premise that is usually attacked by those committed to their Calvinistic presuppositions is (2). Translated from the symbols above, (2) is read as:

“God is defined as omnibenevolent which implies that for all people, He would desire all people to not suffer eternal Hell.”

[*Note: In defense of this premise I would add the qualifier to the argument here such as, “unjustly,” “through no fault of their own,” or “for ‘choices’ they were powerless to make.”]

This seems intuitively obvious, as we simply know that good judges do not give people death sentences for crimes they are not responsible for. Moreover, I don’t even need to appeal to logical intuition to support premise (2) as I can appeal to Holy Scripture itself! Paul affirms this premise himself in 1 Timothy 2:4 “(God) desires *ALL* people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” I don’t know how it can get much more clear than that!

Therefore, if one affirms that God possesses His omni attributes maximally, and that 1st Timothy 2:4 is true, and that some people do suffer eternal Hell, then it logically follows that they must reject Calvinism. That is to say, if God is a Maximally Great Being and eternal hell is a reality, then Calvinism is false! To affirm all of these things simultaneously is logically incoherent. If we care about TRUTH, and if we claim that Christianity is TRUE, then we must avoid logical incoherence like the plague as affirming that Christianity is logically incoherent is the same as stating, “Christianity is NOT true!”[6]

After understanding God’s omniscient middle knowledge and the difference between logically possible and feasible worlds, one can (and should) logically drop the “I” of TULIP and Calvinism itself.[7] I think Molinism provides a superior explanation of reality. According to my friend, Randy Everist, “If you believe you have free will and that God does not force you to do all that you do, and if you believe God knows everything that could happen, will actually happen, and would have happened in any other circumstances, then you are a Molinist” (if you realize it or not).

Stay reasonable (Philippians 4:5)!

Tim Stratton

 

Notes:

[1] Here is an article I wrote regarding hermeneutical interpretation of Romans 9 and other scripture: http://freakengministries.com/free-will-calvinism-romans-9/

[2] Craig vs Hitchens debate: https://youtu.be/4KBx4vvlbZ8

[3] Read more on Molinism vs. Calvinism from William Lane Craig here: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/molinism-vs-calvinism

[4] Read more about my Freethinking Argument Against Naturalism here: http://freakengministries.com/stephen-fry-humanism-incoherence/

[5] A special thanks to Steve Williams and Randy Everist for helping me translate my argument into logical symbolic form. Randy mapped it out in much more depth and detail, but the form above saves space.

[6] “Christianity is Not True!” http://freakengministries.com/christianity-is-not-true/

[7] I’d like to thank Mike Licona for giving me the idea of the title of this article (and maybe a future book).

[8] I’d like to thank Peter Byrom and Sean Hays for helping me strengthen this argument. Indeed, “As iron sharpens iron, one man (or two) sharpens another!”

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  1. I’m a Molinist! Thanks for giving it a name. I don’t know if this logically makes sense to others, but as a mom, it makes sense to me. When I give my children instructions, it is my will they obey. If they choose to disobey my instructions, they have asserted their will above my own. Which would really raise my ire against them. It’s my will that my kids willingly choose my will. I think that’s the same as God’s desire. That our will would line up with His, not vice versa. I don’t think I’m disputing anything you have just stated, Tim. Just trying to clarify in my mind what I believe.

    • I think it is foolish to think you can please God by obeying. The whole old testament shows us that we can not obey. That’s the point of the old testament. To think you can obey more than someone like Moses did, is short sighted.

      Need I remind you that Moses did not enter the promise land because he disobeyed God. Moses was extremely faithful to God and we know of only one sin he committed. I am not sure anyone obeyed God more than Moses did. That is the point God is making. God is showing us we do not enter the promise land by obedience that’s why Moses does not get in. If anyone should get in it’s Moses. So God makes a point by showing us that if someone like Moses who was extremely faithful does not get in what chance do we have??

      We must also see that Moses wanted to get in. He pleaded with God. He repented and said God let me go in. But God refused. Moses will was to enter the promise land. Isn’t that what God wants from us to want to enter the promise land with him?? Moses willed it, but God said NO!!

      God did not deny Moses because Moses sinned, God denied Moses to show us that you do not get in by obedience, The reason why Moses doesn’t get in is so we can read about it and see obedience is not the way of salvation. Of course Moses will get into the REAL promise land but here on earth God is speaking to us by how he treats Moses. And the message is clear you do not get in because you obey or disobey or even if you want to get in. You get in because God allows you in.

      God allows the new generation (those of the second birth) to come into the REAL promise land and Those who relied on the law did not go in. So how do you get in, by a new birth. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. That’s how you get in and Only God can do this for you.

      The whole point of Romans 9 and the book of Galatians is to say that Salvation comes from a promise made to Abraham and to his seed. If you are part of the seed you will get in if you are not then you will not. Isaac is the promised seed, Ishmael is not. Ishmael is told to leave. Ishmael did not choose this, it was done for him. Ishmael was not asked do you wanna stay in the covenant, he was told to leave.

      The Israelite people were the chosen ones, The Egyptians were not offered the blood of salvation over the door posts. Only the Israelite people were. Why not offer this to the Egyptians as well? Because God remembered his promise to Abraham and his seed. And to these were given salvation.

      • How do you know that the story of Moses not being allowed into the promised land is equal to not being allowed into heaven? And how is the second generation a type of the second birth? How did you come to that conclusion?

  2. Good article. I came to a similar place that you did. Looking forward the the logical fallacy of universalism. It should be short! A = A, A /= A cannot be true.

    Curious, I might simply not know what this means “logical incoherence” but aren’t many of the things Jesus say capable of being classified as this? Love your enemies? How counter-intuitive is that? Why would this not be logically false? Or that I must decrease so he can increase? Whoever is to become the greatest must become the least? Are these in the same vein or can they be classified differently?

    Keep posting! Thanks!

  3. David Apr 9, 2015

    Tom,

    I respect your study, but disagree with your spoken logic. (Your symbolic logic seems to leave out the possibility of thoughts you have not put forward. — And I confess to not being a logician.)

    Your spoken logic assumes that the Lord must, or ought to, follow your thoughts, when clearly, from Scripture we see that it’s really the other way around, and we ought to follow His.

    YOur friend Mike Licona tweeted a reference to your article, and here’s how I replied to him; ‘@MichaelLicona YOur friend seems to neglect that The Sovereign One has His plan of how He wants things to end, and then substitutes his own.’

    God’s foreknowledge is not merely one of knowing what will happen, (like that of a fortune teller…{tongue in cheek}), but of ordaining what will, and seeing to it doing so.
    He is the determiner of what is good, not we.
    We are not to judge Him, He is our Judge; both Just and Merciful, as well as all the other attributes given from Scripture.

    Just how did you become convinced that God merely knows what will take place, but does not ordain whatsoever comes to pass? That would be a very impotent god who could not cause his own plan to do just as he pleases. Maybe the tulip has more to its petals than you seem to have seen.

    I don’t hold to the tulip as any kind of formula, after all, it was only the developed response to the followers of Arminius, and not from Calvin. I choose to use the term ‘reformed’ and not ‘Calvin’, due to the fact that any faith that we hold to must come from the best understanding of what the whole Scripture(s) teach(es), and not limited to any one man’s system. I think that reformed more refers to the agreed upon idea that the church was, (and perhaps still is), in need of a reforming break from the traditions and contradictions of Rome, and get back to the faith that was once for all, (time), delivered to the saints. Sola Scriptura and Semper Reformanda.

    I like Mike, and Craig, and perhaps you and I may have more in common than you or I may think, but I’d be careful about labeling myself with anything that limits God or His freedom to do all that He pleases, whether or not we either like, understand or agree with it.

    Thinking, praying,

    David

  4. Cheryl Apr 9, 2015

    Hi Tim… I will read your article more in detail, but the headline caught my attention, as my mother was raised Dutch Christian Reform – Calvinism. I have many relatives that are of that doctrine as well. But, let’s get back to mom — she explained to me some things about how “works” oriented it seemed for her, and she never really knew if her salvation was sure…that whole prestined thing was a mystery. Then, at the age of 17, she had the opportunity to go to a meeting — one of those “fire and signs following” types of things — it was 1938 — In that meeting, the offer was made to confess Christ as LORD and Savior at the time of the altar call. When that call was being made, it was a great relief to my mom — her heart had been “burning” in her to just “go and pray.” She went forward, and what she came away with was what she always told us as “my know-so salvation”… There was no doubt ever again. I know the home schooling curriculum/academy that we are using is a Calvinist based curriculum. My son, however, in some of his writings, has had to say that he “disagrees” and it was without me even explaining anything. We had a discussion before I printed off one of his writings that we will turn in (for a grade). It was good— he’s 14. The Holy Spirit opens our understanding in the Word. I know these men of days gone by studied, and were influenced by things in society, and even their attitude toward the original writers, and how things were translated down through the various eras and language. One thing I sense in Calvinism is it seems to almost be a works based doctrine. Not that we should be lazy and do nothing (saved by faith…) but the not knowing becomes a place of turmoil that says “if I can just do this better, and more, I’ll make the grade…” So many religions thrive on that, and so many lose heart. Our Savior is after our heart. Our Savior is after our thoughts. Our Savior is after our emotions. Our Savior is interceding for us. He has no desire for us to fail. He can be trusted — always. It’s kind of a twist — because we think we can’t be looked upon by Him because we’re always messing up. But He says, “Come! Run to ME!” and when He holds out His arms to us, we can’t miss seeing all that He is (scars & all), and the heart that drives Him to act as He does, so that nothing stands between in our relationship… Who can stand against this? I love remembering my mom and her “know-so salvation” testimony.

    Blessing!

    • Cheryl Apr 9, 2015

      *predestined * sorry –typo/spelling

    • Calvinism is the opposite of ‘works’ salvation. Calvinism, along with the Gospel, teaches that we are saved apart from our works and have nothing to boast in but the Cross of Jesus Christ ALONE.

  5. Bryan Apr 9, 2015

    See how William Lane Craig DENIES the Sovereignty of God to support his bad theology..

    As Someone has asked, WHO deals God the cards? We should worship him.

    Molinism and the Soteriological Problem of Evil Once More by William Lane Craig

    For the relevant circumstances may not be compossible. Your pun on Sophie’s Choice (a choice between two bad options) reveals that you haven’t yet grasped the theory of middle knowledge, for God doesn’t create such a choice for Himself. The counterfactuals of creaturely freedom which confront Him are outside His control. He has to play with the hand He has been dealt.

    http://www.reasonablefaith.org/molinism-and-the-soteriological-problem-of-evil-once-more

  6. I would suggest…
    Try Open Theism. To me it answers to the most philosophically and is also justifiable throughout the Bible, in my humble opinion. :)

    crosstheology.wordpress.com/open-theism/

    • oh, if you like my own logics thought, watch the video with the bottles of water at the bottom. (I know I appear unclear there but please try to understand it :) )

    • Bryan Apr 9, 2015

      Open theism is heretical..

      Is the Future Settled or Open? James White vs Bob Enyart

  7. David Apr 9, 2015

    Even if I disagree with someone, which I do with your position, I respect that you’ve thought it out. I would dare say that 90% or more of confessing believers have never done more than simply parrot what they were taught from the church nursery. I was raised Nazarene (Arminian) but moved into the Reformed camp after years of study. I was intrigued that it was the “I” in TULIP that put you off. To me, that’s one of the more easily defended points of the acronym. My Arminian beliefs had me trusting in a God that was ever hopeful, but woefully disappointed. What Calviniam did for me was help me to understand just how sinful I was, and how – unless he moved effectually in my life – I was truly lost and without hope. Knowing the depth of my sin, Calviniam drives me to my knees crying out “Why me, Lord!? Why would you have grace on me…I am a wretched sinner!!” The Arminian would say, “Why not me? I was smart enough, sensitive enough, spiritual enough or wise enough to see my need”. No, had God not appointed me to believe (Acts 13:48) the gospel would have been foolishness forever. That is my testimony.

  8. Chris Apr 9, 2015

    Your entire “argument ” is predicated on a denial of man’s radical depravity and natural enmity with a Sovereign God. Without acknowledging those truths, you set a platform that claims merit before and leverage over God.

  9. Nice logic, but not very strong on Scripture. And in the end, your conclusion doesn’t actually solve the problem.

    Once God knows what man will freely choose, and creates the world in which that choice is made (rather than another one where a different choice is made), God is complicit in the same way you see him in Calvinism.

    Not to mention, once God knows that free choice, man can’t change his mind. He has lost his freedom. He has to do what God knows he will do.

    This is why accepting revelation from God is so vital. You have imposed your thoughts about what God must do on God rather than accepting what God has said.

    • David Apr 10, 2015

      Thank you for seeing it the same way I do. It doesn’t matter if God chooses some people or simply looks down through time and sees what man will do and then creates them anyway knowing they will not believe…either way God is complicit in the fate of mankind.

  10. “2- If God is omnibenevolent, He would not desire to, nor would He, send anyone to suffer eternal Hell for choices they were powerless to make without God’s irresistible grace.”

    I’ll be the predictable Calvinist and address premise 2. I have two responses.

    A. It is logically possible that God could have multiple desires that conflict. Hence, given the *justice* of sentencing men to hell, He may sovereignly choose to opt for the greater desire. The purpose of the plan of the world is not the salvation of man but the glory of God.

    B. Here you appeal to fallen, finite moral intuitions and seek to hold God to honoring them. The fact that 21st century American consciousness doesn’t like the idea of federal headship doesn’t mean that it ceases to be a valid moral principle.

  11. Peter Apr 9, 2015

    God’s not omnibenevolent. Not even on your grounds. Why does God insist on saving only those who believe? That’s an arbitrary restriction (there’s certainly nothing necessary in the nature of God that would require a faith response in order to be saved). And the fact that “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated” is ignored by your post is pretty telling too.

  12. The “problems” that you say are created by Calvinism vs the alternatives are “problems” in ALL views (except for the universalism nonsense). Any issues of theodicy are not solved by placating oneself with the notion of “free will” abdicating God from any responsibility with the outcome.

    There is no logical way for God (as omnipotent and omniscient) to create a being that is free from the power of causation. Ie: God determines everything about everything He created. He cannot “not know” what the eternal effects of His manner/type/nature of His creation are. He cannot “not control” the eternal effects of His manner/type/nature of His creation.

    I have never heard anyone respond to this. Too many plea of God’s omnipotent as evidence of His ability to do so, but this argument is self-defeating as God, obviously, CANNOT do things which violate the laws of logic. (Ie: God cannot make Himself cease to exist, make something wet/dry at the same time, place, and manner, etc) Even if He could violate the laws of logic, He cannot do so in a closed system. Ie: He cannot do it in a system where a cause has a specific effect which He determined.

  13. Bryan Apr 9, 2015

    William Lane Craig’s “Middle Knowledge, Truth-Makers, and the ‘Grounding Objection'” A Reformed Critique
    http://turretinfan.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/william-lane-craigs-middle-knowledge.html

    Explanation and Refutation of Middle Knowledge
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SNtuo7kGro

    A Brief Biblical Providence
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeqjMwIIywo

    A caller-driven program that ended up focusing upon Molinism for about half the program.

  14. Jesus Christ used to pray a lot, but Calvinism tends to make prayer ridiculously vain. On the other hand, prayers, and particularly prayers of the Son of God and of His brethren, make sense only if God’s will is a fluid, dynamically filling the communitarian shape of the Trinity embracing God’s children. Who, by force of God’s will, remain free to be absent minded or break the spell of Love with their playful or miserable escapades. And this freedom granted must be an essential attribute of Love, as oposed to mere possession. Possession and total control of a living thing leads to the essence of Death, while God bestows Life through the total freedom and His grace. Being free Himself, we must admit that He can impart grace in a discretionary way, making apocathastasis and sharp predestination equally possible, yet remaining true to His holy nature.
    I really think that using Logic the way you do here (brilliantly, but rigidly overconsistent), is not appropriate to Theology (which is uttering the poetry of God as if we would be capable of thinking Him). Revelation is paraconsistent, as the tension between isolated, apparently contradictory assertions is exploding into Light.
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-paraconsistent/

  15. M Whitener Apr 9, 2015

    Good article. Glad you are thinking hard about this. Check out the Lutheran Confessions on this.

  16. Your point #2 is not found in Scripture. Everything else falls apart from there, IMO. Your definition of omnibenevolence implies that God must save all people (universalism) if He is to considered good or some other viable alternative. You are putting God on trial by saying that He must adhere to your fallen standard of what is good in order to be good.

    God does not send people to hell for not making choices they are powerless to make. He sends them to hell for the choices they do make, namely their sin. They get justice. In fact, He would be perfectly righteous to send everyone to hell – which would be justice. Nobody seeks after God according to Romans 3. The logical conclusion is that there is only one Seeker, God Himself. He gets all the glory for those who are saved, and He gets none of the blame for those who get exactly what they want and deserve. Some get undeserved favor (which is why it’s called grace). If it was deserved, it wouldn’t be grace, but your due. Some get justice. NOBODY gets injustice.

  17. All this nonsense about “it’s all philosophy and not exegesis”, pls. Tell me who ever comes to the reading of scripture without certain philosophical presuppositions? Open Theists, Arminians, Calvinists and Molinists alike all come to the reading and interpreting of scripture with certain baggage. It’s a matter of which baggage holds more closely to scripture than the next. So let’s not try and flaunt the ‘it’s all philosophy’ stick around and wave it in the air, you may get sore arms.

    Furthermore, the people throwing the word “heretic” around – I advise caution. I agree with Lewis concerning Mere Christianity, that it is essentially Christian dogma that unites us all. People who throw the heretic chips around are often confusing heresy with merely “different opinion to my own”.

  18. jerry dodson Apr 10, 2015

    William Lane Craig is a Molinist. He doesn’t believe in a sovereign God, so I can’t take his arguments seriously. I have no interest in debating your view, but it rests on an unbiblical god.

    • Are you saying all molinists do not believe in a sovereign God? Is that painting with too much of a broad brush? And just curious, how did you come to that conclusion?

  19. What do you mean by omni-benevolent?
    And where does scripture ascribe this attribute to God?

  20. Duh!

    If one is only letting scripture speak for itself there is no dilemma. A little common sense or logic doesn’t hurt either, and praise God, you are finally back to basic logic. An omniscient God knows the future (hence the many prophecies which were so accurate). That means He knows what choices us human will make before we make them. It does not mean He makes those choices for us. Romans 8:29 and 1 Peter 1:2 give a perfectly clear and logically adequate explanation for how we are predestined, and yet have free will – if we don’t tamper with the wording of the two texts: “predestined” or “elect” “according to the foreknowledge of God.” Look up “proginosko” or “proginosis” – it just means to know beforehand.
    I’ve heard no less than John MacAurther say that it is impossible to believe in the sovereignty of God and the free will of man – is that not patently absurd on the face of it? If God is sovereign then He is certainly capable of allowing His created subjects to have free will – or else He is not sovereign. What is different about God than man is that He can still be in control, while allowing sinful men to make their own choices.
    If you study Calvin objectively you will find many contradictions and much convoluted logic – but like his followers, he is very adroit at taking scripture out of context, and forcing it to say what he thinks it should say. He does the same thing with St. Augustine, from whom he quotes extensively. The things he and his followers did reflect this approach to scripture, and his theology – ask Michael Servetus.
    I start with Adam and Eve in the Garden, follow the Children of Israel through the Old Testament and then the Church and the message of the gospel in the New Testament, and I see the free will of man implicitly and often explicitly taught from beginning to end. I can easily provide explicit scripture to contradict every one of the five points of Calvinism – but then I take scripture at face value for what it literally says. And I keep passages like Romans 9-11 in context of all the other passages, including the Old Testament which gives us the necessary information about Jacob and Esau, and the Potter’s Wheel.
    But then I’m not a famous theologian – what can I possibly know?
    I admit I am appalled at, and abhor the notion that our God would create most of His creatures solely for condemnation, destined for eternal punishment, through no fault of their own, other than the way He created them. And then to call Him a just and loving God – what a convoluted sense of justice and love. And I am not quite so narcissistic or ego-centric as to think it is so great that He would pick me, and force me to be saved, while not even giving so many of my unsaved friends and relatives a chance, or the ability, to accept Him.
    Such a God is not the God of my Bible. Such doctrines fly in the face of simple gospel passages such as John 3;16, 1:12, Romans 10:9-17, or 2 Peter 3:9, 1 John 2;2, Titus 2:11, and the list goes on and on.
    Praise God you are coming back to the simple truths of the Word of God – maybe not quite so heady, and you may not be in good standing in the intellectually elite club of the so-called Reformation Theology, But God may be a lot happier with the way you will portray him to others from now on.

  21. Tomas Apr 10, 2015

    This was very useful and I learned a lot. Even though I really liked this article and I myself would say I where a Molinist (thanks to Dr. Craig), I do find myself struggling with the fifth premise. First of all. There are more views of hell then Universalism or Simply the view that hell does not exist.

    For example:
    Terminal punishment – http://www.douglasjacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/Hell-Jacoby.pdf
    Annihilationism.

    I do not know if these views of hell would cause any problem to the fifth premise, but I want to suggest that ”eternal hell” is not the only option.

    I would really like to hear you answer.
    My mail is. Tomas.roosguerra@gmail.com

    Thanks // Tomas, Sweden.

  22. Steven Dahl Apr 10, 2015

    Awesome. Thanks for your work and ministry!

  23. Joshua Apr 11, 2015

    I’m still waiting for a Molinist to explain Matthew 11:20-30. Basically from a Molinist’s perspective Jesus had middle knowledge of people who would have freely chosen Him if He had performed certain signs in front of them. Yet it is clear that He did not and as a result they perished. Also I’m sure you Molinists become really uncomfortable when you read this part of Matthew 11

    25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

    It seems clear to me that, given this text of Scripture, your argument would also apply to Molinism.

  24. James Giordano Apr 17, 2015

    1.) Have you ever read the book Life in the Son by Robert Shank. I would very highly recommend it. It was originally published sometime around 1961 and is still being published today. Shank has an appendix in the book where he explains Romans 9 extremely well in my opinion. The book deals primarily with the P in Tulip. Shank was a Baptist, who like you, took the Scriptures seriously and allowed them to shape his theology rather than vice versa.

    2.) There is a Facebook page called Rethinking Hell. It is a group of Evangelicals who believe that the Bible teaches that after the final judgment, those who are cast into Hell will not be tormented eternally but will die and be lost for eternity. Since eternal torment is one of your premises in the arguements you laid out, you at least should take a look holistically at what the Scriptures teach about Hell and the ultimate end of the wicked. Besides the FB page which is interactive by nature, there is also this web site from the same folks.
    http://rethinkinghell.com/

    Check it out and shoot me an e-mail (or friend me on Facebook) to let me know what you think.

  25. Tim Stratton Apr 18, 2015

    I want to thank everyone for your comments, questions, affirmations, and objections. I have my next three articles nearly completed and a couple more in the works. I believe most of the questions here will be answered and the objections refuted. Stay tuned and stay reasonable (Phil 4:5)!

    Tim Stratton (a.k.a. The Thinking Theist)

  26. I would like humbly to make a few suggestions. First look up the definition of “sovereign” in a non religious dictionary (kione dictionary). You will not find that the Calvinist definition is not kione and does not exist in dictionaries. Sovereign does not mean “all controlling and no subject has free will”. Calvinists are idiots, whether they know it or not. All false reports and deceptions about God use words whose definitions are not found in the dictionary.
    My second suggestion is that you purchase The Principled legal Standard for the first doctrinal reformation of the church, available @ amazon.com, kindle, etc.
    The penal substitute is on it’s way out. IT’S OVER! They cannot find a suitable replacement that is believeable or deceivable. They don’t have a substitution for the substitution heresy.
    principledlegalstandard.org

  27. Please listen to our lated podcast to hear our response to many of your questions, and also James White’s critique. http://freakengministries.com/a-freakeng-show-ep-21-the-petals-drop-discussion

  28. Dr. BS Oct 21, 2015

    I personally know William Lane Craig. He is wrong on so many levels. He and his whole denomination he was affiliated with hurt myself and many people. No better than Calvin himself. His theology is horrid he is a philosopher not a theologian.

  29. Pierre Apr 9, 2015

    1 Timothy 2;4 …who desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

    This is not God’s will of decree, but his will of desire. God doesn’t desire that we sin either, but he decrees that sin exist. God elects some from out of the world, some of every kind, hence “all men’, and leaves the reprobate to the consequences of their own depravity. This is the grace and sovereignty of God, our Potter.

  30. Exactly. 1 Timothy 2:4 is not speaking of all men without exception but all people groups without distinction.

    “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, FOR KINGS AND ALL WHO ARE IN HIGH POSITIONS, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

    Paul is saying that God desired for them to pray for all people groups, even kings and government leaders to be saved, which would be hard to think of in the Roman Empire (and even in today’s world).

    This is in keeping with God’s bringing in some from every walk of life. Slaves, free men, women, men, Jew, Greek, every tribe, language and nation. Not every person everywhere, but some from every group.

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