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[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 94 points95 points  (22 children)

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So basically, we are a tournament species by default.

And we needed some social constructs to make our civilizations more equitable.

That something, I'm guessing, looks like "patriarchy"?

[–]199639 68 points69 points  (11 children)

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The other important point is AWALT. Merely exposing a woman to dominant male immediately decreased her commitment to her mate. Men exposed to high value women did not decrease their commitment to their mates. So if you and your wife go to a baseball game and you see a hot girl in skimpy clothes and your wife sees a dominant, successful, muscular man you both react differently. When you go home to your kids that night you're still committed to your wife and relationship. She, however, is thinking of abandoning you and having an affair.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (5 children)

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Merely exposing a woman to dominant male immediately decreased her commitment to her mate. Men exposed to high value women did not decrease their commitment to their mates. So if you and your wife go to a baseball game and you see a hot girl in skimpy clothes and your wife sees a dominant, successful, muscular man you both react differently.

Actually, the comparison was between dominant members of the opposite sex. So, when women see a dominant man, they want him. However, when men see a dominant (independent, strong) womyn, he doesn't want her. Still not a surprise to us.

From the article:

exposure to physically attractive women appears to evoke in men desires to fulfill women’s evolved preferences, such as increasing men’s attention toward and desires to possess resources and to display ambition, creativity, independence, and risk-taking

When men see an attractive woman, they do things that are associated with high testosterone, such as risk-taking. Hand in hand with that, women's preferences are for men with these behaviors, because they show high testosterone. Ladies love high T guys.

Put that together and you get the fact that women prefer dominant men and men prefer physically attractive women. Who knew?

[–]rockumsockumrobots 5 points6 points  (4 children)

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When men see an attractive woman, they do things that are associated with high testosterone, such as risk-taking.

So, what you're telling me, is that unless you are a completely spineless, lazy, self hating loser you have reasonably good prospects to reproduce from the real world effects of physiological drive?

I don't know whether to feel encouraged or depressed.

In any case, I can only imagine what kind of fierce warriors our ancestors must have been to fight for attractive women, before they became all fat and shit.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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I can only imagine what kind of fierce warriors our ancestors must have been to fight for attractive women, before they became all fat and shit.

Compared to today, stuff men did in ancient history is like some kind of superhero saga.

[–]2IVIaskerade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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stuff men did in ancient history is like some kind of superhero saga.

Hell, in a lot of cases (cf. The Odyssey, the Icelandic Sagas) it was.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Psshh, men are still doing it in various tribes throughout the world today.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 5 points6 points  (2 children)

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So, feminism (as a vehicle to deliver female sexual desire above all else) requires it be defined as in opposition to its nebulous concepts of patriarchy?

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    [–]2chainzFLEX 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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    "if u trigger me again, im calling the reddit police."

    [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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    tough deal when you think about it.

    [–]ubercoolhipsterguy 24 points25 points  (9 children)

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    I mean, cmon, other than indoor lighting, indoor plumbing, the engine, the refrigerator, the railroad, the car, the transistor, the computer, the cell phone, the dishwasher, logic, integration, differentiation, guns, the assembly line, every symphony ever written, and the rule of law, what have white men ever done for us?

    [–]rockumsockumrobots 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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    B-b-but th-that's the patriarchy! Just submit to being a slave to the parasites you...you...ummm...uh..RACIST! Yeah, racist, sexist, mysoginist!

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      [–]1beerthroway 14 points15 points  (3 children)

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      Even the most extreme feminists don't want to kill all men....

      Because then they'd actually have to work.

      [–]laserdicks 4 points5 points  (2 children)

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      I'm sorry I completely disagree. What is "work"?

      [–]2chainzFLEX 10 points11 points  (1 child)

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      Getting a shitty degree, gossiping all day at work,living off beta hubby by 40, and taking strange dick- for most women really

      [–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      This pretty much matches all my dating experience with divorced, separated, "educated" women. Even when the degree isn't shitty (one was PhD in epidemiology and worked in the field), they fuck off and do the least amount of work they can phone in.

      As the "strange dick" in a couple of these (both separated, not divorced), can confirm they live off the beta semi-ex.

      [–]RickJamesBond 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      The dishwasher was invented by a woman who didn't want her servants to keep breaking her heirloom China.

      [–]2IVIaskerade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Well then maybe she should've washed the fucking things herself.

      [–]JihadDerp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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      Hold on, I left my robe at the dry cleaners...

      [–]notmyusualreddit 53 points54 points  (34 children)

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      The part about lawyers and doctors is very true and funny. My college gf went to medical school where I tagged along while working. I hung out with them after hours for almost 2 years, and know the entire group well. They are all 29-33 now, and virtually none of them married. My college ex hasn't even ever BEEN to a wedding because no girls she knows have gotten married, since all her peers were cold hearted driven women. Now she tells me her and all her gfs hate their field because it takes all their time and energy, took their youth in school and residency, and the only guys they want (the guys that make $2-300k + like them) want younger hotter girls. And they will NOT stoop to a guy that isn't making atleast $120k with plans to make more soon. They're not bad looking, but the dryness shows.

      [–]LUClEN 23 points24 points  (12 children)

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      [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 10 points11 points  (12 children)

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      So what you're saying is ... eventually they'll get desperate?

      In which case even a ~$125k+ programmer could fetch a high earning doctor wife who would be at risk if she thinks divorce ??

      [–]NakedAndBehindYou 29 points30 points  (3 children)

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      So what you're saying is ... eventually they'll get desperate?

      What he didn't mention is that those girls are all already giving their pussies up to the alpha fucks anyways. They just complain that they can't find guys to marry.

      [–]the_red_scimitar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      Having been an AF to a high earner, can confirm.

      [–]notmyusualreddit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      Very true. I was 2nd for the doctor chick. She tried to land one more guy in med school that was cool even by my admission. That didnt work out. In the next 7 years she went on a ~12 guy (that shes admitted to me..) search for entertainment while saying "none of the guys out there are good enough!". So from 16 to 23yrs old she was at 3 men. Still manageable mentally probably. By 30 she has hit 15 admitted guys.. and no prospect of finding a guy she wants.

      [–]wanderer779 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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      I don't know why he'd mess with it. The girl isn't fertile anymore and the guy has plenty of money.

      [–]notmyusualreddit 10 points11 points  (5 children)

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      at you're saying is ... eventually they'll get desperate? In which case even a ~$125k+ programmer could fetch a high earning doctor wife who would be at risk if she thinks divorce ??

      For the ones I know, if you were a programmer making $125k, they would give you a chance. A few of them are dating, but the complaints are still there. IMO though, judging from how often these relationships fail, I dont think you could get these doctor women being a programmer unless you ALSO had something else pretty significant going for you. You'd have to be one of the better looking ones obviously, not be a total loser in our free time, and talk to them about how you want to conquer your way up to VP soon. If you just said you were a programmer, you relaxed at home playing xbox or watching mma, and were somewhat skinny fat, they would not even give you a chance. Those guys are for the girls in the same companies the progammers work for.. aka the project manager and marketing girls making $70-90k.

      [–]the_red_scimitar 7 points8 points  (4 children)

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      I used to like to be the guy they CAN'T own. I've got the income, career, home, recreational pursuits, fitness and other physical traits, and love for fun times that few men my age seem to have or keep. I suppose, based on what they tell me, I'm the equivalent of a "unicorn". This is not to brag - I basically have never considered it for myself, but I hear it regularly.

      The point is that this is quite attractive to the post-wall woman who thinks she can still pull an AF. There are a ton of these women in my area. Usually mid-40s, divorced or separated, two kids, moderately to very well off, with income, child support and alimony (California, go figure). And around here, they often are gymrats, yoga enthusiasts, etc., and their bodies can truly look 20 years younger. Sometimes they've taken care of their skin and really are overall a hot package.

      And they all try to turn it as rapidly as they can into a captured romance, cowed BB type. It's fun to constantly deflect that, while being openly non-monogamous and ensuring they know about the other women I date. The competitiveness some of them show is entertaining, and nexting them is, to say the least, an adventure in female drama. All that investment, wasted.

      Seriously, one bought a throat-anesthetic spray so she could be the best at deep throating me. She made it a mission. Can't say I complained about that.

      [–]notmyusualreddit 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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      Great stuff, and I hope the forever alone crowd reads this stuff and believes its possible. I've met a few that think its just not in the cards for them and its not that easy. I'm almost there with you, except I cant maintain recreation and fun so Im missing that (which is a huge hit), and even I can get girls damn excited for a while. It's surprising how rare it must be because I've had a few women latch ON saying they know they wont find it again and it makes me laugh "you wont find a guy with a good job and house that doesn't binge eat or drink his way to a gut? its that hard?" But it seems to be.

      [–]the_red_scimitar 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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      The recreation/fun thing is HUGE for me. It is common for a plate to tell me "how much fun" it is being around me. I just do the stuff I'm interested in, and I pick the plate who would be most fun on such an occasion. Or I go alone, because I don't often base my entertainments or activities on what somebody else wants. The exceptions are things I'm interested in or curious about anyway.

      That whole "won't ever find it again" is their form of oneitis. I don't know your age, but let's just say I remember JFK's assassination. At this age, I can date women from their early 20's to 60, and (around here) there are bona fide hotties in the older ranges, usually being chased by MILF hunters. Many of them really dislike dating younger guys - the main complaint being they have "nothing going on", or are just moochers (according to these women). But there's just about no men in their age range who are available, active, fit, intelligent, healthy, and give them gina tingles. Younger almost always means around 29, for some reason.

      Being an older RP guy with dominant/alpha characteristics is actually a lot easier than being a 20-something. And I can and do pull the 20-somethings, but honestly, they have been huge disappointments (except for one). Generally, if they are gonna go after the older guy, they are also going to glom onto him hard and rapidly. I had one that wanted to move in after 3 months (I live alone and intend to keep it that way). The one cool one? Um... her boyfriend objected... (I didn't know - not interested in helping anybody cheat, so I nexted that immediately).

      [–]notmyusualreddit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Good to hear. I'm 30. Went from being the cool guy in college (streetbikes, trucks, jetskiis at a top engineering school.. rare), to a top 1% salesperson in the country for a certain industry.. and then it just leveled off. Tried to spend time with the gf, took more time off work, paid off the house which meant I didnt have an Audi to show her, and so forth.. you can feel the boredom now that I look back. She told me a few months ago "you were so vibrant when I met you! that excited guy angry at all his inferior coworkers. now you just say work is 'ok'". Jesus. I'm in Northern California so theres decent money around in the tech field, but mostly betas and hipsters, so being from the valley yet making even more money than everyone except the IPO kids I do ok.. I just cant get myself to spend as casually as those guys.

      Reading your stuff makes me feel better because as much as people spout about picking up 20 year olds at 40 is easy, I wasnt so sure even being a good looking 30 year old, because at 30 I'm starting to get the resistance that Im too old for a 21 yr old. So I wondered how a 25 yr old would ever react to a 40 yr old. But I read some of your posts and you seem damn genuine and realistic, so I trust it. Thanks

      [–]the_red_scimitar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Interesting. "Vibrant" is the word my current fave plate uses to describe me. She's a quarter-century younger than I.

      I appreciate the vote of confidence.

      [–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Their best bet is an older doctor or lawyer who is divorced. That's the only guy successful enough for her and old enough where he wouldn't want to chase twenty something tail anymore.

      [–]bulldoozer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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      The painful truth is the higher up the ladder they climb the greater their dating pool shrinks. And the men at the very top are FAR more likely to date/sleep with young gorgeous women because they are already the highest status men and can choose so.

      Also, what corporate women fail to understand, is that those men (doctors, investment bankers, etc) aren't stupid. They put a ton of effort into their career and understand the value they bring. They aren't going to place a woman first in their lives. Not after climbing as fast as they did

      [–]sweetleef 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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      since all her peers were cold hearted driven women.

      It's sad in a way - these women have been indoctrinated into a bizarre ideology where they have been led to believe that their worth depends on their acting like men. But they aren't men, the things they dedicate their lives to don't actually make them happy, and they never can.

      [–]zephyrprime 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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      And they are not generous like men either. A man will user his strength and resources on behalf of his women. That's the whole reason women want to be with a man like this. A woman will not use her strength or resources on behalf or her man and if she does, she will lose attraction for her man. What use is a strong woman to a man then? None.

      [–]95wave 3 points4 points  (1 child)

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      The sad thing is these women might have higher than average IQs, what a waste of potential brainpower for offspring.

      [–]donit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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      I wonder if the big, successful career ruined them for mating and marriage? As doctors and lawyers, how are they going to become someone's wife? How are they going to fold up their ego and become someone's help-mate? How will any of those women be able to look up to a man, and be able to subordinate herself in a Robin-to-Batman relationship?

      What happens when girls are raised as boys instead of girls? What happens if girls abandon their role? Maybe the female role not that important anymore, and so now it's thought of as sort of an option, perhaps just a fun, old-timey thing to role-play in, just for laughs, rather than still being a requirement for us to exist?

      What will you tell your daughter?

      [–]the_red_scimitar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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      I've seen a number of these post-wall, educated and employed, "modern" women (and dated more than a few). They are TERRIBLE mothers, wives (based on their own admissions of their married lives), and frankly, are kinda shitty plates.

      However, and this is important, every one of them I dated was eager to be subjugated in the bedroom. You're going to find impact play, humiliation, and other BDSM play punishments to be practically endemic in this crowd.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 11 points12 points  (0 children)

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      I'll look through the individual sources later, but this some pretty compelling data. Nice find.

      [–]1twinyix 12 points13 points  (0 children)

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      many other scholars have found men’s higher level of personal status is related to higher fertility, but the same is much less true (or not at all true) for women’s higher level of personal status; in fact, modern women who have higher personal incomes themselves tend to have fewer children

      Does this take into account the fact the women with higher income typically have a greater opportunity cost when going through the pregnancy and child rearing? If it does then that's an amazing find.

      I can't believe only being experimentally exposed to a man with very high dominance has such an effect. It makes so much sense now. This is the reason why you can't LTR a girl with a lot of guy friends.

      edit: a word

      [–]S74RK 10 points11 points  (7 children)

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      Great bullet point summaries. There are some interesting ones, like:

      • "contrary to the expectation that gender egalitarianism always reduces sex differences, it was found that sex differences in Good Looks are largest in nations with the highest gender egalitarianism"

      This actually makes sense. Gender egalitarian societies have abundant resources, i.e. got their shit together. How else would they be able to waste time with nonsense like gender egalitarianism and women's studies? Nobody in Africa is studying women's studies. So anyways, what ends up happening in societies where the basic amenities are taken care of is that women don't need males to be providers, not nearly as much. What do they look for instead? Alpha fucks.

      • "many other scholars have found men’s higher level of personal status is related to higher fertility, but the same is much less true (or not at all true) for women’s higher level of personal status; in fact, modern women who have higher personal incomes themselves tend to have fewer children"

      A lot of people, mostly plugged in, like to whine and complain about Idiocracy taking place. About society getting worse because dumb people are by far out-reproducing the smarter ones. Or maybe shaming the high earners, upper echelon types for not reproducing. But this blame is misplaced. It's feminism that's making women infertile. And a lot of the "smart" ones seem to be taking the bait.

      [–]drunkandstoned 3 points4 points  (2 children)

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      Or maybe shaming the high earners, upper echelon types for not reproducing. But this blame is misplaced. It's feminism that's making women infertile.

      True, but cities are also IQ Shredders, it seems like it might be best for society to offer incentives only for smarter city workers to have children. Instead we give the most incentive to reproduce to the poor.

      [–]systemshock869 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      But giving condomz to third graderz will fix everything!

      [–]rygar_the_red 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      I don't think the people in charge of those kinds of decisions want to be in charge of a bunch of smart people though.

      [–]FUCK_YEA_GLITTER 0 points1 point  (3 children)

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      Can you explain the last point in a little more detail please? I tend to think that the dumb people are by far out-reproducing the smarter ones, and I'm not quite understanding what your saying.

      [–]1RU_Crazy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      He's saying the cause is due to feminism (I.e. the devaluing of motherhood and its place the CC and "careers")

      [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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      Only rich women are reproducing less. Rich men are reproducing more. It is hence feminism and not wealth that is the problem.

      [–]drunkandstoned 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      Is this actually true? I've never seen statistics for any group narrower than families with an income >$100k being classified as rich. I'd be interested to see if rich women in families with net worth >$10mil are actually less fertile. I suspect the fertility of the rich is just fine and it is the upper middle class that is getting bred out of existence.

      [–]M4rkyboy 5 points6 points  (3 children)

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      What's the 70th percentile in cash terms?

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Men that earn more than 69% of the other men. Depending on what country you live in, it would vary. In the UK, I'd say that's about 90k - 100k a year (Pounds).

      [–]cagethepepper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      I don't know any man that earns that much. I'd say 60K is more realistic.

      [–]Gamer_Guru_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      Yeah I get it, so be tough, don't take shit from no one, and just roll. What next?

      [–]pedler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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      great post. I especially liked the bolded parts! pretty much makes it sink in how hopeless women are. Once theyve had that alpha dick everything else is bland

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

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      Blue pillers

      Op why even bother?

      They are ignorant dumbasses who just want to be morally superior

      [–]1WardlyHasted[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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      Sometimes I just like to poke the bear.

      Plus, when they cross-post from TRP it's always good for a laugh. All they do is take one sentence out of context and say, "Look how stupid they are!", while adding nothing of value or any counterpoints.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      "Oh man he said this one thing I cherry picked out the context They are all womym hating deckneards"

      [–]sweetleef 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      tl;dr: a lot of words to state the obvious.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

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      This was a fun read. But be wary of anything titled "evolutionary <insert social science here>."

      [–]ChadThundercockII 6 points7 points  (1 child)

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      As a cultural studies student. I can assure you that the postmodernist and post-structural faggots don't acknowledge the wisdom(truth) in anything springing from a scientific stem, in this case it's Evolution. Feminists jumped on the wagon with postmodern feminism. The whole thing is the a big hamster race.

      [–]95wave 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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      postmodernism is complete and utter shit, through and through.

      [–]pedler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      great post. I especially liked the bolded parts! pretty much makes it sink in how hopeless women are. Once theyve had that alpha dick everything else is bland

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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      the game is easy and disgusting. awalt really destroyed my world.