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At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

At 6/21/2015 5:33:29 PM, Skyangel wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Yes they can... Jesus is a myth. << See.

The character is nothing but a personification of a principle which is about Living a WAY of LIFE in TRUTH.

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

At 6/21/2015 7:02:17 PM, mOnkey031 wrote:
Jesus Christ is actually a real person, and not a myth. https://en.wikipedia.org...

At 6/21/2015 7:18:53 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:33:29 PM, Skyangel wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Yes they can... Jesus is a myth. << See.

The character is nothing but a personification of a principle which is about Living a WAY of LIFE in TRUTH.

CHRISTIAN... Christ Follower!!! They did not follow a MYTH into Martyrdom! Some maybe but NOT thousands!!!

At 6/21/2015 8:21:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:

At 6/21/2015 7:02:17 PM, mOnkey031 wrote:
Jesus Christ is actually a real person, and not a myth. https://en.wikipedia.org...

So you provide a link which compares the myths? That is hilarious.

LOL.

At 6/21/2015 5:17:45 PM, philochristos wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.

This alone ought to tell you that your source is completely bogus.

At 6/21/2015 8:26:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:

At 6/21/2015 7:18:53 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:33:29 PM, Skyangel wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Yes they can... Jesus is a myth. << See.

The character is nothing but a personification of a principle which is about Living a WAY of LIFE in TRUTH.

CHRISTIAN... Christ Follower!!! They did not follow a MYTH into Martyrdom! Some maybe but NOT thousands!!!

They followed a principle. It makes no difference if the character JC was real or not if they follow the principle the character conveyed which is to love the enemy and turn the other cheek.
Anyone can follow the principle without believing the character was some historical supernatural miracle worker. All they need to believe is that there is value in the principle and it is worth following.

At 6/21/2015 8:17:42 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Sure they can!

And they do. Many. many people.

Like these...........

http://www.gotquestions.org...

At 6/21/2015 8:17:42 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Sure they can!

And they do. Many. many people.

Like these...........

http://www.gotquestions.org...

At 6/21/2015 8:49:45 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:17:45 PM, philochristos wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.

This alone ought to tell you that your source is completely bogus.

they are myths..just like JC and yahweh.

Also...most if not all of christians holidays are simply copied from older Pagan ones.

Like these.............

http://www.nazarite.net...

At 6/21/2015 9:10:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:17:42 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Sure they can!

And they do. Many. many people.

Like these...........

http://www.gotquestions.org...

...you do realize that the source you just provided debunks your claims, right?

At 6/21/2015 8:58:21 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:17:42 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Sure they can!

And they do. Many. many people.

Like these...........

http://www.gotquestions.org...

There are thousands of Martyrs... All with the title Christian.. They were called and accused as cannibals back 2000 years ago... Because they believed in eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking his blood! Jesus taught this ...
53 Jesus said, "I tell you the truth. You must eat the flesh of the Son of Man. And you must drink his blood. If you don"t do this, then you won"t have real life in you.

These Christ followers went to their death believing this teaching from Jesus! They believed and taught eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking his blood in the form of bread and wine... They still do today!!!

At 6/21/2015 9:17:35 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 9:10:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:17:42 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Sure they can!

And they do. Many. many people.

Like these...........

http://www.gotquestions.org...

...you do realize that the source you just provided debunks your claims, right?

Not really.

Since I chose a source from a Christian website--so as not to be accused of going with Atheist sites as I have in the past--at the end of the article they make their apologist claim for JC's "uniqueness." Yes.

BUT--my OP's point was to show that the ancient hebrews and christians obviously borrowed from older, pre-dated Greek and Roman and Sumerian Mythos. Thus...JC realy could not have been an original. Or why is his b-day the same as Bacchus'?

And you should know---all biblical scholars agree, look this up, Vox--that nobody, even those who believe in JC, think his b-day was really December 25. This date was picked by the gospel writers to coincide with the Pagan Festival of Saturnalius--the Winter Solstice Celebration. (This mythos also is much older than christianity.)

Most think JC was born in late May..as there are mentions of shepherds and farmers in the fields working when he was born. (I am not sure where). This wold not have been going in in late December.

Hmm.seems ol' JC might've been a Taurus! LOL

At 6/21/2015 9:17:35 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 9:10:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:17:42 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:21:56 PM, Dogknox wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?

Dionysus is a MYTH!!!!
Jesus is a historical figure!! Big difference!!!

No one can say "Jesus is a Myth"!

Sure they can!

And they do. Many. many people.

Like these...........

http://www.gotquestions.org...

...you do realize that the source you just provided debunks your claims, right?

Not really.

Since I chose a source from a Christian website--so as not to be accused of going with Atheist sites as I have in the past--at the end of the article they make their apologist claim for JC's "uniqueness." Yes.

BUT--my OP's point was to show that the ancient hebrews and christians obviously borrowed from older, pre-dated Greek and Roman and Sumerian Mythos. Thus...JC realy could not have been an original. Or why is his b-day the same as Bacchus'?

And you should know---all biblical scholars agree, look this up, Vox--that nobody, even those who believe in JC, think his b-day was really December 25. This date was picked by the gospel writers to coincide with the Pagan Festival of Saturnalius--the Winter Solstice Celebration. (This mythos also is much older than christianity.)

Most think JC was born in late May..as there are mentions of shepherds and farmers in the fields working when he was born. (I am not sure where). This wold not have been going in in late December.

Hmm.seems ol' JC might've been a Taurus! LOL

At 6/21/2015 9:12:39 PM, philochristos wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:49:45 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:17:45 PM, philochristos wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.

This alone ought to tell you that your source is completely bogus.

they are myths..just like JC and yahweh.

Also...most if not all of christians holidays are simply copied from older Pagan ones.

Like these.............

http://www.nazarite.net...

There's no indication in your response that you understand why I responded the way I did, so let me explain myself. Nobody would use "born on December 25th" as a parallel between the Jesus of the New Testament and Dionysus if they actually knew what they were talking about and were trying to be honest. The reason is because the New Testament does not give the date of Jesus' birth and there's no evidence that Christians had any interest in the date of his birth until the third century when many believed he was born in March. The date was later moved to December 25th. So Jesus being born on December 25th is not part of the New Testament, and it has nothing to do with Christian origins. Anybody with the slightest familiarity with the New Testament and early Christianity would know this. The fact that somebody would include it in a list of supposed parallels between Jesus and Dionysus shows that the person is either being very sloppy with the facts or they are being dishonest.

At 6/21/2015 9:29:26 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 9:12:39 PM, philochristos wrote:

At 6/21/2015 8:49:45 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

At 6/21/2015 5:17:45 PM, philochristos wrote:

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.

This alone ought to tell you that your source is completely bogus.

they are myths..just like JC and yahweh.

Also...most if not all of christians holidays are simply copied from older Pagan ones.

Like these.............

http://www.nazarite.net...

There's no indication in your response that you understand why I responded the way I did, so let me explain myself. Nobody would use "born on December 25th" as a parallel between the Jesus of the New Testament and Dionysus if they actually knew what they were talking about and were trying to be honest. The reason is because the New Testament does not give the date of Jesus' birth and there's no evidence that Christians had any interest in the date of his birth until the third century when many believed he was born in March. The date was later moved to December 25th. So Jesus being born on December 25th is not part of the New Testament, and it has nothing to do with Christian origins. Anybody with the slightest familiarity with the New Testament and early Christianity would know this. The fact that somebody would include it in a list of supposed parallels between Jesus and Dionysus shows that the person is either being very sloppy with the facts or they are being dishonest.

There is zero slop in my OP, bro.

FACT: The Christians and hebrews borrowed MANY MANY things from older Mythos. Including but mot limited to the Sumerians; the Greeks; and the Romans.

(Are you familiar with the Epic of Gilgamesh?) If not, check it out. It shows that the whole Noah/Flood deal in Genesis was just one of many earlier flood fables.

I have never had a christian explain to me how the Genesis flood can be true if somebody wrote about their own version hundreds of years before?

Maybe you can?

Or maybe you can explain how all those similarites in my OP from the much earlier Bacchus/Dionysius/Horus Mythos can lead on to in any way think the Jews did not lift them for their own versions.

You are fixating on ONE mere point--the Dec. 25 b-day. What about all the rest of the stuff? The virgin birth? the riding into town on a donkey?

Use Occam's Razor, amigo. If you read an acount of something--that has never been proven in the least, BTW--and then also read an earlier account--one that pre-dated that story by centuries--and somebody asked you if it was mere coincidence? Or if the latter version borrowed from the first, what would you think?

And how could you possibly claim, in all honesty, that an already spurious story is not further dminished in its veracity when an earlier and strikingly account is made?

At 6/22/2015 11:11:12 AM, Harikrish wrote:
The concept of God, divinity. Deity, virgin birth, miracles etc. etc existed before the creation of the Bible. In fact the Jews were not a cohesive civilized people but tribal groups trailing advanced civilizations like Egypt, Mesopotamia , Babylon India and China. The Jews were also repeatedly invaded and enslaved by their more powerful advanced neighbours. They were very few things that came from the ancient Jews. The Jews were more influenced by their neighbours and borrowed and incorporated what they learned from their neighbours into their own mythology. Even Christianity was a small sectarian religion followed by the Hellenic Jews.

At 6/22/2015 2:31:15 PM, Labarum312 wrote:

At 6/22/2015 11:11:12 AM, Harikrish wrote:
The concept of God, divinity. Deity, virgin birth, miracles etc. etc existed before the creation of the Bible. In fact the Jews were not a cohesive civilized people but tribal groups trailing advanced civilizations like Egypt, Mesopotamia , Babylon India and China. The Jews were also repeatedly invaded and enslaved by their more powerful advanced neighbours. They were very few things that came from the ancient Jews. The Jews were more influenced by their neighbours and borrowed and incorporated what they learned from their neighbours into their own mythology. Even Christianity was a small sectarian religion followed by the Hellenic Jews.

The religions of the ancient world - including Greece, Egypt, M, esopotamia, etc. believed in deities that were actually part of nature. Zeus, Osiris, et al were not creator gods but something more akin to superheroes who personified a particular heavenly object (sun, moon, various planets or constellations) or aspect of nature (sea, wind, weather, seasons, etc.). Later some developed ideas of creator deities that were separate from these gods (e.g., Amun in Egypt) but the pantheons still were worshiped along with them. The idea of a people worshiping a single deity who is both creator and subsumes all the powers of nature is a uniquely Jewish development. The only near precedents would have been 1) the worship of Aten in the Armana period of Egypt and 2) the Zoroastrian dualist concept. However, in (1), the royal family were still divine as mediators of Aten and this was mainly the idea of the royal couple and not embraced by the people and in (2) there were two divine powers in struggle with no clear winner until the end of days. The embracing of monotheism by the Jews had no real precedent and the only question is when they embraced it. The only other monotheists of a sort were some of the philosophers but this was not central to any cult. Saying the Jews were completely derivative simply has no historical basis.

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

At 6/21/2015 4:53:40 PM, Saint_of_Me wrote:
Been reading some Greek Mythology, guys.

Seems Jesus was merely a Jewish "re-boot" or simply another version, of the ancient Greek God Bacchus, who was preceded by Dionysus. And even Horus before that!

These guys were all worshiped a GOOD 1000 years BEFORE Jesus!

So how can JC be considered real? Or original. (Feel free to look-up the timelines)

As you can see the similarities are amazing..........

The Greek god of wine, Dionysus or Bacchus, also called Bacchus, has been depicted as having been born of a virgin mother on December 25th; performing miracles such as changing water into wine; appearing surrounded by or one of 12 figures; bearing epithets such as "Father" and "Savior"; dying; resurrecting after three days; and ascending into heaven.

Dionysus shares the following attributes in common with the Christ character as found in the New Testament and Christian tradition.

Dionysus was born of a virgin on "December 25th" or the winter solstice.
He is the son of the heavenly Father.
As the Holy Child, Bacchus was placed in a cradle/crib/manger "among beasts."
Dionysus was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
Dionysus rode in a "triumphal procession" on an asss.
He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
The god traveled into the underworld to rescue his loved one, arising from the land of the dead after three days.
Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25th and ascended into heaven.
Bacchus was deemed "Father," "Liberator" and "Savior."
Dionysus was considered the "Only Begotten Son," "King of Kings," "God of Gods," "Sin Bearer," "Redeemer," "Anointed One" and the "Alpha and Omega."
He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
His sacrificial title of "Dendrites" or "Young Man of the Tree" indicates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
"Early Christian art is rich with Dionysiac associations, whether in boisterous representations of agape feasting, in the miracle of water-into-wine at Cana, in wine and vine motifs alluding to the Eucharaist, and most markedly...in the use of Dionysiac facial traits for representations of Christ."

"Dr. Thomas F. Mathews, The Clash of the Gods, 45



What say you, christian?