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I have a friend who finished her PHD at Berkeley and immediately- like instantly- got a job teaching "Feminist Archeology" at Stanford. They pretty much dovetailed the professorship to her skills. If there's a job like that out there for her, there's a job out there doing exactly what you just finished studying. Or you can always sell out to skillset-specific evil, like an old boyfriend of mine who did "Peace Studies' at Santa Cruz and then became a defense analyst for a weapons tech company.

It's true. There are so many programs, schools, grants, etc. out there. ALL OVER. You can find the one for you.

What do you do with a BA in English?


Looking for a job with a degree in the social sciences is very different from looking for a job in the tech industry (which constitutes pretty much all of my work experience). In the tech industry, if you know UNIX, you look for UNIX admin jobs. If you know networking, you look for networking jobs. If you can program in Foo language, you look for Foo development work.

I have just spent the last several years aquiring a set of skills and knowledges so open-ended that they could be applied to just about anything. As a result, I feel that they apply to nothing. The world is vast and full of opportunity - I'm just not certain what those opportunities are right now.

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Welcome to the liberal arts degree.

However you managed to graduate with some actual skills, like speaking Chinese.

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Presumably, I will have two degrees in the social sciences. Strangely enough, I cannot tell the difference on the job market between Political Science/International Relations and a BA in English.

Whatever I wind up doing this summer, I would like to take some classes at the Confucian Institute so that my Chinese doesn't atrophy from disuse. Unfortunately, that brings me back to the need to make money that I can exchange for goods and services.

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Oh I know... I'm more familiar with what's out there for social sciences than other stuff. But just to give you an example. Mom: PhD in cultural anthropology. Later becomes Dean of Public Health (???), then Pres of a University. She just started that, and she'd 60. For a while she was a proff at UCLA in anthro while being associate dean of Public Health there. My Grandmother was also anthro, but ended up studying the radiation effects on genetic mutations in fruitflys.

Much of my extended family is rooted in the social sciences. When they were younger, people from diverse fields would show up somewhere and adapt to the work there. Now it seems like people hiring lknow that there are enough people out there that they can find that weird person with overlapping skills, and don't have to adapt. They want that rare and absurd match (such as Chinese + cultural study + international law). It does happen. There is so much out there, I'm inclined to believe that somewhere there's a few good matches.

The problem is that if there are a number of such jobs, they'd be scattered around the world, and you may not want to move there. In the meantime, I suspect there is less glamorous (but resume appealing) work in this city of many Chinese. Could you assist in translation in a court, for example?

The key is to get closer to the fields you're into (even if it's not glamorous or a good fit yet) and get your hands dirty. That does look good on a resume. Are there social action groups, community centers, etc. you could become involved in? Nonprofits and educational places need grantwriting (for example). Spread your skills out on the table and see where you can put any two or three to use, and think flexibily. Then see if there is anywhere that you can do that and be vaguly close to any other paths you might want to take.

And in this case, it may just be physical proximity. Would you be working with anyone? Another dept of same place etc. that might connect you to something else later?

You're just getting out. Yes, look for whatever major jobs you want (all over the damn world in your case), but also look for resume/experience-builders in town.

I'd check for schools (even small liberal arts schools) that have a strong Asian or Chinese program, with overlap with your other work. Taking a summer teaching or social work job in China wouldn't be bad either.

Good luck!

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And there's also the whole thing of going for a Masters. Sadly, it seems like the Masters in the new BA.

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I'm afraid it's much worse than that. I'm going to law school.

In the meantime, however, I need to pay some rent.

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Okay, I thought I remembered that. (hence the law stuffs).

I'm not very good with the rent thing- I have generally squeezed by on 2-5 random skills. Freelance web design pays decently well and is flexible hours from home if you can get the gigs. Advertise on Craigslist or something?

sk says she doesn't hate men. just the ones that pay for sex


I know, hence: or at least whatever it is that drives men to pay women money to simulate desire.


I always thought it was less about actual desire and more about being the center of attention - some weird perversion of the mommy complex.

and hi, I think we met while I was on my honeymoon road trip in 2002, and was staying with Erin. Or at least you sound like the girl I met then.


I don't know. If men need to feel like they're the center of attention, why is it so important that women take their clothes off while they're paying attention to them? I suspect that neither of us is really equipped to figure this one out. I need to ask some men to who actually go to strip clubs.

Also, hi! I am that girl. I probably talked about politics too much.

Hmm. While you are probably right, I think I'm not adequately expressing where I'm going with that.
I'm sure there are as many reasons as there are guys who go, but I think the really regular ones know it's all fake, that you're (sic) just doing it for the money, but they're desperate for that woman who will do anything for them, even if that anything is beat the shit out of them until the timer goes off.


It could be that they're lonely. I was intrigued by the observation, made by SKL and other sex workers, that many of their regular clients seemed to want a woman who made them believe that she was a perfectly normal, nay innocent girl who just happened to have oops stumbled into this strip club, and now hee hee her clothes are falling right off of her.

I'm really curious to hear from men who regularly go to peep shows and/or strip clubs to hear what they think about their motivations, but I strongly suspect that my livejournal is not the right forum for that.

Ahhhh... we all think we will be superheros if we do stuff... if we get our qualifications, etc. What I have learned in seeing various successful people is that they just kept going while being passionate about their work, and seized opportunities (even small ones) to work their way closer to their passion. The twists in the path are entirely unpredictable in most cases. What looks like a tiny step you might turn down turns out to be a secret windfall. The promised path frequently doesn't pan out.

It's the focus and jumping after things, pursuing you passion, regardless of setbacks and hardships that finds you (often years, even decades later) in a position to live your dreams.

If you have focus and determination, you're lucky. I feel like I've got much talent and luck, combined with learning and skill all over, but so much alll over that I don't pursue any one thing with enough focus or passion to get too far. Trying to fix that.

The trick is doing what you're interested in. Better that and poor/busy that disinterested and lacking passion.

Two of my first roommates upon moving to San Francisco were C and J, who paid their rent by being the "double in the bubble" at the Regal Show World - "where YOU are king." (J was C's boyfriend's little sister, and years later I STILL think that was pretty damned weird.)

The revulsion and disdain with which C and J spoke about the people who paid their rent was my first adult glimpse into that world, and it left an indelible mark.


When M is done with the adult industry, I will ghost write her memoir. If I'm feeling particularly perverse, it will be a funny, insightful romp.

i have a lot to say about all this. you should see my bookcase.



You know I'd be happy to come over and take a look at it.

So...where did you put Indecent?

It's between Porn Studies and The Lusty Lady, on the same shelf as Flesh for Fantasy; near Jane Sexes it Up, Gynomite, and The Other Hollywood and With a Rough Tongue: Femmes Write Porn. Not far from How to Make a Living as a Poet. ;)

This is one of those subjects that fascinates me, probably because I know a lot of people who can be considered sex workers.

My favorite class was probably the anthro "Sexuality and Society: A Globalized Perspective" (the required reading was awesome). We watched "Live Nude Girls Unite" (which I then remembered gigglingly when I actually got to visit) and talked abou Phillipino drag queens, and the Taiwanese marriage racket.

Somehow the topic got on to pornography, and one of the girls in the class spent fifteen minutes ranting about how pornography enslaves women. I had to leave, I was so upset by some of the blanket statements she was making - I wanted to yell at her "Seriously honey do you know any dominatrixes? Hell, have you ever even had an orgasm?" The professor was so alarmed by my expression that she followed me out the door to check on me. By the time the girl had stopped her tirade (at the prof's behest) there were five other girls who'd posed nekkid on the interwebs sitting outside with me.

Mmm, you may or may not enjoy reading boobiebar, and/or Mistress Matisse's blog feed.


I am of two minds about sex work. On one hand, I think it's vitally important that sex work should be legal and regulated because driving it underground creates a danger to sex workers. On the other hand, I don't think that sex work is necessarily a great job. I think it's possible for sex work to be sex-positive and empowering, but I think that more often it's exploitative and alienating.

I would not want to be a sex worker, nor would I want to be a customer, but I want to live in a world where both sex workers and customers are at least reasonably safe.

I was going to suggest that you put the two things together, and just go straight to nakkidnerds.com, but for some reason the domain seems to have gone away. The myspace is still there, though.

It was a website devoted to putting up naked pictures of 100% of the Boston People I Never Want To See Naked.

The Naked Brain (in a jar)


I'm familiar with the site. At the nadir of the dot-com bust, when I was threatening to turn the concrete bunker into a strip club staffed by unemployed geeks, J immediately pointed me there. There was going to be a fooseball table and a two-Snapple minimum!

Honestly, I don't think that anyone would pay me money to take my clothes off. Likewise, I can't think of anyone who would shell out money for me to keep my clothes on. It looks as if I will have to make my living using only the mighty power of my brain.

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Wait wait, I don't have to pay you to take your clothese off, that's pretty cool. :)

Cloei (the creator of that site) stopped doing Nakkidnerds, moved, and now has a baby.

Holy shit, I had no idea she had a kid. Thanks for the update!

I'm being somewhat sarcastic — some of my friends have modelled for that site, and I know Cloei in passing. She actually moved in with sbazzy after heresiarch moved out.

In practice, though, the site squicked me out. Every time I saw it, there would be someone on the front page whose bits I just, didn't, need to see. Many of my friends who modelled for her were not particularly happy about having done so, though it's unclear to me whether her business practices were any less ethical than elsewhere in the industry.

Heh. markedformetal is two degrees of separation away from me. The internet makes the world a really small place, at least superficially.

As the proud owner of a degree most suited for the question; "Would you like fries with that?" I can assure you that your fate need not be coffee jockey, at least not for very long.

I think your first paragraph here would make good copy for the back cover of a pornographic video. Perhaps you should talk to John about this, I hear he knows people.

You should work in education: the field with the highest percentage of advanced degrees for the lowest pay. You'll fit right in.

Seriously, though, whatever you do, just remember: it's all writing fodder. To date, I still haven't located the quintessential novel of our generation on any bookstore shelves, so I am counting on you.

i would say, "hey eva darling! come dance at poproxx...." but sadly i have nothing to offer you other than drink tickets and free entry" ....:( i'm sure you have those anyways.


so, clubs....blahblahblah....

how about more actual hanging out? you supposedly have books for me? indulge my geekiness....please!

you are beautiful, and you don't kiss my butt....wheeeee!
xoxox

---L



ps- i am a terrible cook and i burn/fuck up everything.....
;)

pps---
i want to raid your closet....
i bet i have things for you.
i'm throwing away everything size 3 and up...


even though you are teenie...

I had this idea, but it turns out Woody Allen already had it.

The Whore of Mensa


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