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5.0 out of 5 stars A must read., July 14, 2016
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An insightful account of a major global challenge from one of the leading scientists at the center of the storm. A must read.
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Initial post: Jul 18, 2016 11:35:31 AM PDT
Canman says:
Shawn Otto,

You've gotta be shi#ing us! You're a rather significant science author and you should know better. This book is at best a whiny, mediocre autobiography. It's not without value, but I have to ask you. Have you ever actually read any of the critiques of Mann's hockey stick? They're not only devastating, but a very interesting and important story in the annals of science. Anyone who reads HSCW should also at least read something from the other side. The seminal opposing work is Andrew Montford's "The Hockey Stick Illusion", written two years before HSCW. But there are also a lot of condensed summaries. Brandon Shollenberger has written two short inexpensive e-books: "The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Introduction to the Hockey Stick" and "The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Follow-Up on the Hockey Stick". There's also his review at WUWT:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/11/shollenbergers-technical-review-of-manns-recent-book/

For a really concise summary, I would recommend Matt Ridley's review of HSI:

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-case-against-the-hockey-stick

... or Judith Curry's comment at Real Climate:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/07/the-montford-delusion/comment-page-4/#comment-181895

I don't know if you are aware of this (writers on your side of the climate issue seem to be avoiding it), but Michael Mann sued pundit Mark Steyn in a case that has tied him up (with legal expenses) for almost half of a freaking decade! The ACLU and a whole bunch of news organizations, including the Washington Post, have written Amicus Briefs for Steyn. No one wrote one for Mann. As a "science" "writer", perhaps this is something you might want to comment on. If you want to read a lot of hilariously entertaining writing on this, I would suggest that you go to Steyn Online and from "Politics & War" on the menu bar, click on "Defend Free Speech!". For a shorter summary, I'd suggest this post by Tom Fuller:

https://thelukewarmersway.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/mannsteynmacfrank/

If you people want to believe that Mann is some kind of hero who has been hounded by the fossil fuel industry, you ignore what the critics have to say at your own peril.This is actually a rather interesting and entertaining story for more informed members of the general public. To quote Willis Eschenbach (picture Al Pacino wearing a pair of glasses with a thick strap and a crooked tie knot): "They are laughing at you!"

I'd just like to emphasize that I do not say there is no global warming or that all climate science is bad, but when I see Mann touted as a leading expert, I tend to take a lot of what I hear with a rain of salt.

Sincerely,

Mike Dombroski (aka Canman)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2016 11:55:35 AM PDT
Shawn Otto says:
Mann's hockey stick has not been successfully falsified anywhere. In fact, similar hockey stick graphs have been independently produced by several other scientists using independent lines of data, and Maan's work continues to be cited by the mainstream science community

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2016 2:25:11 PM PDT
Canman says:
Have you ever read any of the criticisms that I've just listed? Many of them are short. I'm not sure what you mean by "successfully falsified", but McIntyre did not find Mann's hockey stick to be true or false. He published papers showing that the work behind it was of such poor quality as to make it meaningless. As a science writer writing about this subject, don't you feel some sort of obligation to check out what the other side has to say? BTW, I just bought a kindle copy of your latest book. Looking through the index, I see a number of references to Michael Mann, but none for Steve McIntyre. That's kind of like writing about Jim and Tammy Baker and not mentioning Jessica Hahn.

Mann publishes a lot papers and I'm sure he continues to get citations, but his work also continues to get some criticism (search Climate Audit). He is also quite active in public, notably with his lawsuit against Mark Steyn, among others. This looks like a topic that should be at least tangentially related to your new book. Do you have any comments on it?
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