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Here are the archived council proposals and their outcomes from the past.
201420152016

January 2015[edit]

Approved[edit]

One Mall per User Policy (+1)[edit]

Topic added on January 8, 2015.
Topic will be removed on January 24, 2015.

Hey! Yoshi here.

Although it's not a widespread problem, I find that a user owning more than one mall is quite useless. What's the point? This new rule will limit this to one mall per user, and additional malls would require administrative approval. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 13:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

NOTE: If this topic passes, existing malls would be grandfathered.

For (4)[edit]

  1. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 13:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 15:11, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Proud to be Estonian! Snowstormer TalkContributionsMall 12:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Mario Rk was here! 12:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Against (3)[edit]

  1. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 11:34, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 12:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Hello this is Brukkelas.JK it's Mahna. Talk to me. See what I have done. Visit my Megamall. 08:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • I SAID I WON'T MAKE A 4th MALL. AND THE CURRENT MALLS ARE NOT CLOSING. 100 MALLS WOULD BE AGAINST RULES, NOT 3. NOW REMOVE THIS TOPIC OR I WILL MAKE 10,000 MALLS. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 11:34, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
    • "Grandfathered" means that the existing malls would stay open, even if the topic passes. So even if this topic passed, your malls wouldn't get closed. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 15:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Might I also say quacker, if this topic wasn't removed and you made more malls you'd probably get ikn trouble, maybe even banned. So please stop making ridiculous, idle threats. CK 06:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • What CK said. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 07:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • A benefit of this is that space can be saved. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 13:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm neutral on this. Although I definitely support it (weird, huh?) in some cases it would be practical to have two malls (i.e. when I had Chill World and Puff World open at the same time, or Chill World and Herbert and Radztur's Supreme Mall) however I think no more than two should be allowed. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 15:12, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I CANNOT USE ALL THE DIFFERENT TEMPLATES IN 1 MALL, ALSO THAT WOULD DESTROY Q CITY, INSTEAD THERESHOULD BE A TOPIC TO BAN YOSHI! --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 11:41, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, it certainly makes sense in some situations, like Shoptastic Center replacing Bro Mall due to construction, as well as Moon Island City and Dancing Penguin City. If a user is able to give a valid reason to an admin, like "it's part of my mall's story", then the user will be able to create a second mall. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 14:57, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it is 1000% useless. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 15:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Just wondering, if this policy gets passed, does it mean that admins are free to create more than 1 mall, and are exempted from the policy? Cause it says that users can only make more than one mall if they received permission from an admin, so does it imply that admins can grant him/herself permission to bypass the policy? If no, please do clarify; If yes, this sounds kinda unfair... --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 16:57, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • That is a good point. Maybe one admin can chat with another admin for mall approval, and vice versa. However, I do believe that administrators cannot bypass the policy. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 17:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Administrators definitely would not be exempt from the policy, however I think they would be sensible enough to determine whether or not their new mall is needed on their own. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 19:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I voted for, but I feel like what should be allowed is one main mall, and then if one wanted, a miniature mall or two for events in the mall, but not fully functional malls. --Proud to be Estonian! Snowstormer TalkContributionsMall 12:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Is it THAT hard to just open another shop in your mall? Mario Rk was here! 12:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
  • This would be a good general rule, although special exceptions could be permitted if the admins see fit (so users can ask for permission or something). CK 14:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Denied[edit]

February 2015[edit]

Approved[edit]

Denied[edit]

Demote Dps04 (-6)[edit]

Topic added on February 12th, 2015.
Topic will be removed on February 26th, 2015.

Look, I have a fair bet that your going to vote against this, but hear me out. Dps is an inactive admin, why? Well it's not his fault. Dps's time zone is GMT +8. Due to this, he's likely asleep right now as I'm typing this. Unlike SlenderXP, Dps dose not go to the wiki at at 1:00 AM and leaves when he has school. So, Dps is the most inactive admin in shops. Like I said, it's not his fault. So I have put up this topic for possible demotion. I'm not going to vote on this one. --Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. Come to my mall!

For (0)[edit]

Against (6)[edit]

  1. Least active =/= inactive. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 23:26, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
  2. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 00:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Aquamarina14 (Talk) (Mall) 06:50, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  4. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 12:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  5. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 18:12, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  6. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 19:08, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • Like you said, it's not his fault. Why should we demote him because of his timezone? It's great that we have someone awake when all the other admins are probably asleep. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 23:28, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
  • And why does timezone matter? Sure, he hasn't done much lately, but there's nothing wrong with Dps. Plus, he is one of the bankers here, and it's nice to have an Asian representative for Shops. Otherwise, the majority of the admins would just be American, which is not very diverse. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 00:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

(Edits) 21:09, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

        • ^ --Aquamarina14 (Talk) (Mall) 21:29, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
  • ^--Aquamarina14 (Talk) (Mall) 06:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  • So what will you do if I eventually stop going on the wiki at 4.50 AM occasionally? Demote me or something? --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 12:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  • nice to see you wanna demote someone cause they aren't American so they aren't in same time as you --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 18:12, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


March 2015[edit]

Approved[edit]

Wall of Fame (+4)[edit]

Topic added on March 1st, 2015.
Topic will be removed on March 15th, 2015.

I think it's about time we finally had a Wall of Fame. There are plenty of users here who should be honored. (or something like that) Thankfully, a few years ago Bro came up with a pretty cool draft for a Wall of Fame. Obviously we'd need to update the design a bit, but I think it can work. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 22:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

For (5)[edit]

  1. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 22:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
  2. --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 11:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 13:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
  4. --PartyIcon.png Aquamarina14 (Talk) (Mall) 16:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
  5. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 14:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Against (1)[edit]

  1. CK 18:44, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • Well, I just don't see it as a useful thing for us. We're not like a standard wiki where we can honor people for editing. The only thing we can really put people up there for is community participation. On another note, Bro ended up using that WoF format to redesign Fanon's WoF, so it seems like it might be a bit of a ripoff to use it as-is. CK 18:44, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Denied[edit]

April 2015[edit]

Approved[edit]

Sharkbate's Inventory Format (+1)[edit]

Topic added on April 5, 2015.
Topic will be removed on April 19, 2015.

I think that it's about time that Sharkbate's ideas are turned into actions. As you may have noticed, our wiki is dying a long and painful death due to inactivity; the minority who join and make an account here leave shortly after this, simply because our wiki is...well..."bland". We need to start attracting more and more users into the wiki, and it is possible to create a bigger wiki, since there ARE many creative spirits out there who play Club Penguin...and would enjoy making and selling their own items. To help boost our wiki's activity, Sharkbate has proposed a new inventory format, which is easier, simpler and more organised than most of our inventories at the moment. He has also came up with some "Starter Items" and has proposed to increase the starter bonus to 1000 WB$. You can see his inventory concept here. Any thoughts/queries? Leave your comments/suggestions below. --Aquamarina14 (Talk) (Mall) 10:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

For (5)[edit]

  1. --Aquamarina14 (Talk) (Mall) 10:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
  2. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 20:36, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
  3. Chriskim98 00:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
  4. Its unlikely that new users will be given a larger bonus. If the bonus is increased, monthly salaries will be decreased. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 08:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
  5. Me.png (t|c|e) 19:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Against (4)[edit]

  1. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 07:38, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
  2. --ToadetteYakumanDS.gif Tumblr static 38dsyr6dfs4kksowwo0s4ck4g.gif 3774.gif 03:56, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Weooo.png Hopsphietalk.png Hopuser.png 04:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
  4. --Djf1107 (talk) 04:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

My inventory IS WAY too big for that, and the biggest problem it includes is the h a n d (NO TO H----S!) items section. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 07:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Look at the long term effects it will have on the wiki. Sharkbate said "I think you all should seriously think about this. "Oh, well I already have my inventory the way I like it and I don't feel like changing it. Too much work." Not a good enough argument. Think about the possibilities in the long run!" --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 13:14, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
My answer is no, has been no and will stay no, only not if Botstormer will do that,heis a bot and can do it fast. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 13:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
So, you're refusing to change your inventory because it's big and it has Hand Items on it? Humans. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 13:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, that's invalid reasoning. Plus, you can always change your inventory, as long as it keeps the same general layout. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 13:50, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
THAT ISN'T INVALID.--Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 13:59, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes it is, it is completely unfair that because of one person, that this idea is abolished. It is better to make one person unhappy than the entire world unhappy. There are many new users that could be interested with the new shops format (inventory) and make the audience more interested. :) Chriskim98 14:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Chris, you've just made my day. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 14:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
why are you dorps talking to Quackerpingu? everybody knows talking to him is like talking to a lamp --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 20:52, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
  • You guys can SCRAP the starter bonus idea. Just vote on the inventory for now. --$harkbate Talk Page 14:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Sharkbate, I think that we've all decided on rising it to 750 WB$ anyway :D --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 14:13, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
DO NOT VOTE FOR THE INVENTORY IDEA! --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 14:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Quack, I don't understand why you are being so stubborn. En plus, people can vote for what they want, but only if they have a valid reason. You're making a big issue out of a tiny change. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 14:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
  • -faceplums- It means develop a bigger/expand this wiki. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 16:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

To those who voted against, can you please explain why? I'll try to address any concerns. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 19:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

  • ^ Unless if your "reason" is I can't be bothered, which is philistine. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 19:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

[edit]

Topic added on April 12, 2015.
Topic will be removed on April 26, 2015.

Currently, the advertisement system allows for ads to be put up onto the sitenotice as soon as an admin sees the request. However, even with an ad limit, the sitenotice is still pretty cluttered. I'm proposing a cap of maybe around three ads, and then those ads would be swapped with new ads every week or so. What do you think? --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 15:22, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

For (4)[edit]

  1. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 17:52, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
  2. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 15:14, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
  3. --ChillInGame.png Chill57181 Talk Contribs Mall ChillInGame.png 15:02, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
  4. --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 15:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Against (0)[edit]

Comments[edit]

  • This is a good idea. I understand that the wiki can be dire (cough this week cough), but having too many ads can be distracting... if you know what I mean. Establishing an advertisement rota should enable everyone to have the ability to display their ads and to let their current ads remain on the board. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 17:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Nice idea. We probably shouldn't make the sitenotice too lengthy :) --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 15:36, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Party Planner Userright (+9)[edit]

Topic added on April 30th, 2015
Topic will be remove on May 14th, 2015

Before I completely retire, I'd like to see events come back to shops. I don't want to leave it in the heap that it has become, and I know that official parties will bring back some of the liveliness the site used to have. But, there's one problem. The administrators aren't really up to planning and setting up parties, so last year I wanted to involve the community. But, even if that had went through, there would have been a divide since the admins would have had to set up the parties...

I don't know if it's actually possible and/or if the staff (sea; I recently asked him on his talk page) are willing, but I'd like to make a new userright that I hope will solve some of the problems. Since we can't just promote everyone helping with parties to admin rights, I asked Sea if it's possible to make a new userright that... essentially lets normal users edit admin-only pages (like the mainpage or it's various templates), but not ban/promote/demote other users. That way these rights could be given to everyone who's an official party planner (not including admins since they can already edit protected pages), and those people will be able to set up parties (without having to be admins).

My basic idea was going to call it the Party Planner or Event Planner, but leave your ideas in the comments. If this vote passes, the staff would also have to be willing and able to make a new userright for it to actually happen. CK 08:15, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

For (9)[edit]

  1. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 08:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  2. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 13:41, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  3. Easier then chat admin, and YOU did say I can help plan party's! --Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. Come to my mall! 14:10, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  4. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 15:04, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  5. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 12:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  6. --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 13:54, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  7. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  8. The derp cadence pin club puffle.png Mrdave921 (talk). The derp cadence pin club puffle.png 23:04, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  9. Mario Rk was here! 22:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Against (0)[edit]

Comments[edit]

  • I'm going to try and stay neutral, but since I came up with the idea, I am in favor of it (obviously). CK 08:15, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  • "Encyclopedia Spongebobia" (on w---a) has Assistant. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 08:21, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  • If this is possible, it would be a really good idea. A lot of the stuff we use for parties is kinda sensitive and we don't let anybody edit it willy-nilly. At the same time, we can't have regular users planning parties and then having the admins run around and fix everything. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 13:41, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Should admins be able to promote these users, or should only Bcrats have the right to do so? CK 02:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Admins should be able to promote them (Admins:Bureaucrats) --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 06:14, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  • It's only a minor right, so administrators should be able to promote them. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 12:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Although I gave my two cents earlier, admins should be able to promote them. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 15:01, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Ok, any name suggestions? CK 22:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Junior admin? Planner? --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 22:30, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Bulbapedia has a similar right called Junior Admin that allows users to edit otherwise protected pages, but not block users. I think that's a good name. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 22:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, the right wouldn't really be for people in training to be an admin or anything... Though, that could be a good purpose for it as well... CK 22:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Sounds like the old Patroller right with a different name. Mario Rk was here! 21:14, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Actually no. The Patroller right was so that regular users could delete pages, but they couldn't block people or promote people. In this case, they'll be able to edit protected pages but not able to do anything else. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 21:20, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Maybe, in the parties, the official CPS mascots can be used! --The derp cadence pin club puffle.png Mrdave921 (talk). The derp cadence pin club puffle.png 00:29, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
  • They were. At least back in 2012. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 04:07, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Denied[edit]

Shops Wikia Oversight (0)[edit]

Topic added on April 4, 2015.
Topic will be removed on April 18, 2015.

After the whole fiasco with Wikia staff and the Fanon administration, I'd say that it's time to do something with the Club Penguin Shops Wikia. I'm not sure what, but maybe we can recognize that the Wikia exists (which might be contradictory, but whatever), and maybe deploy ambassadors to the Wikia or something to make sure that it's dead. Any thoughts? --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 05:02, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

For (0)[edit]

Against (0)[edit]

Comments[edit]

May 2015[edit]

Approved[edit]

Community Portal (+7)[edit]

Topic added on May 2, 2015.
Topic SHOULD HAVE BEEN removed on May 16, 2015.

While thinking about administrator ambitions, I've came up with a community portal idea. Basically, this would be a central place for users to post their own tutorials and guides, malls to attract potential customers via advertisements, a place for users to ask questions, and possibly even for fun stuff. This would go pretty well with Sharkbate's inventory idea (which should have been passed but wasn't because Dave voted when voting was supposed to be over) to make new users feel welcome. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 23:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

EDIT: Here's a very crude concept that I made.

For (7)[edit]

  1. --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 00:09, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  2. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 11:11, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  3. The derp cadence pin club puffle.png Mrdave921 (talk). The derp cadence pin club puffle.png 14:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  4. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 15:28, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  5. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 17:34, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  6. CK 17:21, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  7. --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 16:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Against (0)[edit]

Comments[edit]

  • So, it's basically a modified version of our main page..? --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 23:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
  • But with more stuff, and stuff is good. --NevadaFlag.png Yoshi11 | Yes! 00:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't see how it could hurt anything; another center for user activity and mingling. CK 17:21, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Yoshi, 1. I didn't want it because I didn't want to convert to this, it would take to long... 2. My vote should have REBOUNDED due to the fact voting ended. So, ja, it passed... --Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. Come to my mall! 17:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Denied[edit]

Reduce Moon Island Regions (-4)[edit]

Though Pen set up a Moon Island Improvement Project, I don't think they like the suggestion I had, so I'm bringing it to the council. Moon Island in general has become far too complicated, too expansive, too large. It has something like a dozen (or more) "subregions", each one that has a city (or should, supposedly), and I find that ridiculous. So, my idea is, let's reduce Moon Island to two or three "states"/subregions (North and South MI, or North, Central, and South). That way, it's a HECK of a lot less complicated "government"-wise. Also, there will be no need for inactive cities any more. Even if each state only has three "active" cities, that's better than MI having 30 cities, with 5 of them being active and none of them ever receiving attention. I know people have worked hard on the present MI, and they're not going to like me or this topic, but I think it'd be better for all of us (the users), and Moon Island itself in the future. CK 22:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Pen and Aqua, before you rage, Moon Island doesn't belong to anyone according to your changes, it's a community effort. You might not like the rest of us having our say about it, but this isn't fanon, so there's no "OOC rights" either.

For (3)[edit]

  1. CK 22:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
  2. Mario Rk was here! 22:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Bro (Talk | Contribs) 22:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Against (7)[edit]

#--Aquamarina14 (Mall) 06:21, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

  1. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 06:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  2. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 11:10, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  3. --cats (talk) 11:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  4. The derp cadence pin club puffle.png Mrdave921 (talk). The derp cadence pin club puffle.png 14:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  5. --Not Scorn.PNG Quackerpingu (talk). Visit Quackmall, Q Mall and Quackerpingu Mall! Eesti lipp.gif 15:24, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  6. --Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. Come to my mall! 16:37, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  7. --ToadetteYakumanDS.gif Tumblr static 38dsyr6dfs4kksowwo0s4ck4g.gif 3774.gif 04:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • The Moon Island users ("government") can figure out on their own which cities to qualify for inactivity, and how to reduce city numbers. Tbh, if all of the cities are completely active, I have no problem with them being there. But I know they're not, so it's just a waste of space, and more confusion for new users and old users alike (who aren't part of the MI "clique"). CK 22:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
  • After some consideration, it could be rather beneficial, but forcing people to do stuff isn't on my agenda C: --Aquamarina14 (Mall) 21:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I already had enough with you, backstabber. You don't even edit on Moon Island / participate in Moon Island activities (neither does Mario Rk) and you have no right to say things over here. Topics like this are also to be discussed in the Moon Island Government Building. Also, you really want me out of the network, do you? --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 11:10, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
    • Don't assume bad faith Pens. I am sure CK is also trying his best to help us improve Moon Island as well. Although I may not completely agree with his decision to bring this matter to the wiki council, his opinions are valuable as well :) --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 16:21, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • What the heck? This is like if you were to force someone to shut down their mall. Moon Island is just like a mall, you can't just make a council topic for this, it is up for the owners of Moon Island to decide. Moon Island is like a mall, and the cities of other people are like if you rent shops on a mall. This is nothing you have control over. --cats (talk) 11:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • It's not like shutting down someone's mall. It's removing the useless "regions". Seriously, the work from the old regions can go into the new regions, or focus can go to cities and malls. CK 23:19, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
  • And sorry, but you have no right to interfere with Moon Island business, as you don't even participate in it. We have our own council. You can't just destroy ages of our work. And Dps is the creator of Moon Island. He has the right to control over the island, not you. The Council is about discussing wiki business, not mall, city and island business. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 11:16, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Actually, with how expansive you've made Moon Island, you've made it wiki business. CK 23:19, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Well then put it in your "Moon Island "Government" building on my behalf. I put it here because I knew none of you would even consider my idea; on IRC all you and Aqua said (essentially) was "lel it's too late for that go away. We moon islanders we do wat we want". I didn't realize so many people were actually involved in moon island, to vote against it. As far as I'm concerned though, Moon Island and the users who edit it are still in their own little world, and it's unfair to them and everyone else. Open MI back up, make it easier to navigate, and that way EVERYONE can get involved with it again. Right now, it feels like a large, complicated, Clique society. CK 15:53, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Although I do agree with CK that Moon Island is a bit difficult to navigate, I don't think it is a good idea to set up a vote in the wiki council to force changes to be made to another users' mall or city. This vote, if passed, would undoubtedly set a very bad precedent - next time, when a user dislikes another user's mall/city, can he set up a vote to force changes to be made according to his or her will? Also, there is no rule in shops which forbids malls or cities from being "far too complicated". So, it is probably not a very wise idea to deal with such matters here in the wiki council. --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 16:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Then you should tell the "Moon Islanders" to shape up, because they say they'll listen to you (but you're too easy on them). Also, I never suggested we go around closing active cities. The purpose of this vote was for the states'. There's absolutely no need for them. Cities was another matter entirely, but I do think if this went through, that inactive cities should be removed, and to be more cautious creating cities in the future. The vote though, is about all of these ridiculous states. It should all just be Moon Island, and as I said here, maybe two or three regions if the clique wanted to be that specific. No need for 13 states, a constitution, "State of shops island" ANYWHERE, etc etc etc. We're not fanon, there are no nations (we went over this last year), and I don't think there should be any states. To be fair, this was the only option I had other than force, since I already Knew Pen nor Aqua would even think about my suggestion since they immediately turned it down yesterday. And although numerous people have voted against, I don't think any of them have given legitimate reasoning as to why states should stay. CK 16:57, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • "I don't think any of them have given legitimate reasoning as to why states should stay. " we like them? --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 17:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • CK, you have to understand that it's not like I am the supreme leader or dictator of Moon Island, and I have no rights to "tell other Moon Islanders what to do". Also, I don't need anyone to listen to me. Everyone is a seperate individual with their own thoughts, and I respect their own beliefs. I won't force my beliefs on others :) --Rowboat Pin.PNGDps04talk | Mall 17:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't see how it's apparently so confusing to navigate. There's 2 imagemaps on the main page (which is not complicated), and since users own states/cities, it's up to them to choose how complicated they make their city or state. You don't have to even read on downwards. I do agree that Shops isn't Fanon, and Moon Island doesn't need a constitution or recognising of Shops Island as a country... --Snowstormer (talk) 18:52, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • As the owner of Shops Island on the Fanon Wiki, and therefore having part ownership of Moon Island in turn, I say that Moon Island here and the Moon Island on Fanon should not be interconnected. Shops is meant for buying and selling things and making shops, not for creating country pages (not articles, Shops has literally no articles). Country making, states, and the game of politics is best left to the Fanon Wiki, and I personally think that it shouldn't play a role here. Shops and Fanon must remain distinct from each other. --Bro (Talk | Contribs) 22:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I STRONGLY disagree with this. People have every right to do what they want on Shops! That's what makes this place so much fun! We can't just take away freedoms like this --ToadetteYakumanDS.gif Tumblr static 38dsyr6dfs4kksowwo0s4ck4g.gif 3774.gif 04:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Yeah, although I agree with CK that Moon Island is huge and complicated, it's not fair to force someone to change their mall/city/whatever. Which is why I've been neutral the entire time :D --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 13:09, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

November 2015[edit]

Approved[edit]

Ban Miron from IRC Indefinitely (+5)[edit]

Topic added on November 13th, 2014.
Topic will be removed on November 27th, 2014.

After a long discussion on IRC, it's time to decide whether or not Miron should be banned again. He was originally banned for refusing to follow rules, but was unbanned by Penstubal. Despite his second chance, he hasn't changed at all. I think he should be banned, although because of some disagreement we're putting it up to a vote. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 21:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

For (6)[edit]

  1. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 21:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  2. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:29, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Bro (Talk | Contribs) 21:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  4. --User:EDFan12345 21:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  5. CK 01:44, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  6. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 03:48, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Against (1)[edit]

  1. --Avatar quackerpingu.png Quackerpingu (talk). Click here to visit my mall :) Quackerpingu.png 19:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • I previously agreed keeping him unbanned unless he does more stupid actions, but I agree with banning him indefinitely now. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:35, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  • i cry evrytiem Super Miron (talk) 21:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Miron's never done anything useful. He's just been a nuisance to the channel for well over a year, especially during the Dorp Wars of 2014, where he and Snow tried to say they were above the policy because common sense laws weren't written into said policy. I would say Snow is just as bad, but he's not that active when I'm on, so I don't know. But, I do know that Pen has been too lenient with them for far too long, and has even abused his powers as chat mod a few times with a biased opinion (i.e. unbanning early for no good reason). If the dorp trio wants to talk, that's fine, but they don't need to make a pigsty of our channel. CK 01:44, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Keep Cp kid as Chat Moderator (+3)[edit]

Topic added on November 13th, 2014.
Topic will be removed on November 27th, 2014.

Cp kid kept his op status even after his demotion. He became an official chat mod a few days ago, but following some recent drama, I've decided to do a vote. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 21:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

For (7)[edit]

  1. --Avatar quackerpingu.png Quackerpingu (talk). Click here to visit my mall :) Quackerpingu.png 19:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  2. Mario Rk was here! 21:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Bro (Talk | Contribs) 21:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  4. --User:EDFan12345 21:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  5. -Wonderweez Talk 23:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  6. -- Agent Isai! Happy Halloween! 00:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  7. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 01:24, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Against (4)[edit]

  1. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:29, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  2. Against all together. --Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. Come to my mall! 21:42, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Snowstormer (talk) 21:50, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  4. --ToadetteYakumanDS.gif Tumblr static 38dsyr6dfs4kksowwo0s4ck4g.gif 3774.gif 00:19, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • FIRST Mario Rk was here! 21:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  • His recent actions, swearing on the IRC channel and after getting kicked raging because of that, not kicking Chill for spamming over 30 lines on the channel, and breaking his own rules prove him unworthy to be an admin, barely even a chat moderator. His administrator history on Fanon is also pretty dark; he is too soft on people when he should be tough and he is too tough when he should be soft. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:35, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
    • you're really salty about me not getting kicked aren't you --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 14:52, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  • CK's mom cheated on her pregnancy test. Super Miron (talk) 21:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
  • I have two reasons to support:

1. You left shops and you should have no more power.

3. I just don't like you.

4. You didn't or did notice I did not put in a 2.

5. There is more then 2.

6. I support Pen, Slender, and Miron, leave them alone.

--Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. Come to my mall! 21:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

  • I think you all have been over-sensitized toward any incident regarding "power abuse" and whatnot, as well as a "cuss word" which in my opinion isn't that hurtful, compared to other things I've heard in general. Now, I wasn't here for any of this drama, but from what I'm seeing, you all are offering up some pretty B.S reasons and/or masking ulterior motives to his demotion that you don't want to share.

There are several places I can start, but I should say the obvious ones first. In no way do I think that C.K's administrator-ship on the CPFW is in any way, shape, or form "dark" or "lousy." He's done more during his time there than most others have in 2-4 yrs. In addition, I don't think that just because he's a "bad admin" on one wiki, it should constitute the notion that he is/will be bad on another. So please leave his intra-network business out of it and focus on the problem at hand.

I do not know what he meant when he said the said cuss word, but I do believe he did not mean what he said. In addition to idling, we are human and we make mistakes at times, quantified by a lack of judgement and an immediate apology afterwards. It's also worth mentioning that Miron has no real consistent contribution made toward any of the Wikis that I have known of, and often idles or causes firestorms within the CPSW IRC channel.

Personally, he's a nice guy. Sometimes a bit oblivious towards the happenings, but otherwise, on point and key to address issues. But like us, we're human, and I can surely list several issues with every single user on this network. Professionally, he's good at doing business and keeping his word, and I do not think that what you are presenting is proficient to facilitate his demotion. Also, I think the personal comments said by Miron are necessary, nor is Dave33333's "reasons," having no justifiable clause of any kind whatsoever. But that's just my bread and butter. -Wonderweez Talk 23:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

  • I love how the five people that voted against me are: The Dorp Trio, Dave, who seemingly hates everyone, and Brook, who popped out of the woodwork and didn't want to associate himself with Shops or remember all the time he "wasted" with it. But, despite that, Brook and Dave have nothing to go on other than Pen's biased words. I did say a word I probably shouldn't have said, but I was quoting the literal translation of something miron had said to me, with his fancy wordplay of course. So, of course I was kicked for saying that, and apprently everyone forgot or didn't care that Miron had said it a few minutes earlier. Or there's pen, who actually was making excuses for miron, "it's ok for him because it's just a prank meme". So basically, I don't think all of the hostilities are justified, but freedom of speech I guess. CK 01:44, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
    • Do you think I find the "your mom" jokes seriously? You could make them too and my response will be the same as to Miron when HE says that: "ok". "biased words" biased words with lots of logs to prove those words, sure --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 12:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
    • Wow, you have one big smart mouth, CK. You think I hate EVERYONE! You personally think I am a guy who hates Shops and the admins. I don't hate DPS and Slender. But you two, you two are just... Wow... And you know what, I don't have to use Pen's "Bias word." I have something else, your passive aggressiveness. That's why I think you need a demotion. I aim to say this also: anyone wanting CK back as a Chat Admin in a dying wiki branch is a completely stupid to do so (Sorry Isai, I was aiming at everyone else.). And when you went and go ignore my posts on Fanon and not help me, wow... That was a mere attempt to just fix s bridge, and even though I vote against, you went out of your way and did this. I am just AMAZED at how you go and try blaming others people for your actions. I am purely provoked right now. I recommend you go and resign. These votes shouldn't count anyway! They're not in the real voting page, so they're useless. Congratulations, you just got screwed. --Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. Come to my mall! 19:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
      • "the real voting page" Um, yeah, this is a valid vote. And it's true, I never see you having a kind word to say about anyone. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 01:41, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
        • I don't hate the people, just the wiki, it is stupid how you and Quack keep pressing on its chest for life. Face it, it, is, DEAD! --Dave33333 all hail To the epic king. Come to my mall! 21:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
          • If you hate this "dead" wiki, then why are you here trying to get someone demoted? Don't you have better things to do? --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 16:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Just because he has done great job as an admin and bureaucrat in the Wiki at the past doesn't mean that he's exempt from the rules. Seriously, what do you even mean by telling me "you might as well resign and quit, bcuz your opinion doesn't matter'? All I did was to try and solve this dispute in a fair and unbiased manner, and I got a rude insult coming. In case you didn't know, I am not really into supporting Miron or Penstubal either. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 03:47, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Denied[edit]

Change voting policy to include the entire CPWN (-2)[edit]

Topic added on November 14th, 2015.
Topic will be removed on November 28th, 2015.

Currently, the voting policy only allows you to vote if you were an active member of Shops. However, I'm pretty sure at one point you only had to be active on the CPWN, and this is the policy we've followed for years anyway. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 15:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

For (1)[edit]

  1. --Avatar quackerpingu.png Quackerpingu (talk). Click here to visit my mall :) Quackerpingu.png 19:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Against (3)[edit]

  1. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 15:57, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  2. CK 01:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 01:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • Well the CPW didn't allow me to vote there bcuz I wasn't active there, so I think this should apply to the CPSW too. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 15:57, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  • I think the current situation is better because we don't want random people with no connection to shops voting on shops things (though they should still be able to comment), like if TurtleShroom were to come back and start voting on things. CK 01:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Ban asking for votes (-1)[edit]

Topic added on November 14th, 2015.
Topic will be removed on November 28th, 2015.

JUST TO CLARIFY: This is NOT to ban asking someone to vote. This is to ban bribing or persuading someone to vote for a certain option.

This is another change to the voting policy that should be made. Sometimes, during big votes, it seems users campaign to get people to vote for their side, mostly evidenced by people who have long disappeared popping up again to vote for the losing side. It's not just here either, I've seen it on the CPW too and probably on Fanon. So yeah, if this passes, you won't be able to go around asking people to vote for a certain side. They can find it on their own and decide themselves. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 15:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

For (2)[edit]

  1. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 15:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  2. CK 05:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Against (3)[edit]

  1. --Avatar quackerpingu.png Quackerpingu (talk). Click here to visit my mall :) Quackerpingu.png 19:43, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  2. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 15:52, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  3. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:55, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • /Bribing/ someone to vote should be banned, not asking someone to vote. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 15:35, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
    • Like I said, you can still ask people to vote, you just can't influence them to one side or the other. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 15:47, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
  • I am against because it can be very hard to prove it, especially if someone is influencing someone else's vote on PM. --CPRussia.pngBelarus flag.jpgSlender Talk to me 15:52, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
    • Just because it's hard to prove doesn't mean it shouldn't be discouraged. --Chill57181 Talk Contribs 01:45, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Oh yeah I just noticed that Pen asked Dave to vote (via fanon talk page) on the above topics because he knows Dave hates me (for what reason, I don't know) CK 05:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)