Many fans expected to hear about a new entry in Sony’sÂ mythology-based action series. The franchise has sold over 20 million copies, after all. It wasn’t even all that surprising to see the setting change from Greek to Norse. A calmer, more thoughtful Kratos that fights with, protects, and teaches a young son? That was surprising.
GamesBeatÂ already talked to God of War director Cory Barlog about the demo Sony showed off at E3, one of the largest gaming events of the year. Now, we talk to him about the change in tone for a series that used to be all about anger and bloodlust.
GamesBeat: I find the tone shift interesting. A lot of people expected a new mythology, but the quieter, more thoughtful tone seems like the bigger deal. Was that something thought out very early in the design?
Cory Barlog: It was a push I had, something I really wanted to get into. I saw a shift in the audiences. I saw that people were accepting bigger games that didnâ€™t have to shout all the time. I thought this was an opportunity for us. Itâ€™s cool to get in and be able to tell stories in a much more diverse emotional palette. We were always kind of, â€śRAAARGH!â€ť
Itâ€™s an interesting start for his journey. That first idea, though, was pitching Kratos getting another chance at being a dad. That was the essence of the pitch. People were kind of looking at me sideways. â€śWhat are you talking about?â€ť But you start thinking about it a little bit. How would he deal with that? Just saying, â€śOh, Kratos wants redemptionâ€ť is selfish. Itâ€™s old Kratos. Itâ€™s self-centered. It has no purpose. But this idea — something beyond him is motivating him to change. Heâ€™s known for a long time that he needs to change. But the change is coming from not wanting to repeat the mistakes of his past.
GamesBeat: Was there a lot of pushback to that idea at first? Were people saying that Kratos is just a force of nature, just anÂ embodimentÂ of anger?
Barlog: That did come up. â€śForce of nature,â€ť people did say that. On the design team, we had a core group of 12 people. There was a lot of pushback initially. People said, â€śThis sounds cool, but… .â€ť And then the â€śbutâ€ť is always things like, we have big cinematic cameras, we do all these other things. We got stuck in this loop initially of, â€śThis is what we do.â€ť
But after people started looking at some examples from television and movies, mostly television — television is this great format where people can have a relationship with characters for an extended period of time. During that time, a character can go from one extreme to another. They can go from a character you loathe to a character you love and root for.
Probably the really small beginnings of this idea, the germination of this â€” when I was working at Lucas, I was allowed to go up to the ranch and read the scripts for the [canceled live-action Star Wars] TV show. It was the most mind-blowing thing Iâ€™d ever experienced. I cared about the Emperor. They made the Emperor a sympathetic figure who was wronged by this fucking heartless woman. Sheâ€™s this hardcore gangster, and she just totally destroyed him as a person. I almost cried while reading this. This is the Emperor, the lightning out of the fingers Emperor. Thatâ€™s something magical. The writers who worked on that, guys from The Shield and 24, these were excellent writers
GamesBeat: Thatâ€™s not where I thought this would have originated. Thatâ€™s pretty cool. When you think God of War, you think violence. Is thisÂ more thoughtful turn indicative of a progression in the industry in general? Or is that reading too much into it?
Barlog: I donâ€™t know. I mean, weâ€™re getting older. A lot of us who are making games, who came up around the same time, weâ€™re hitting a time in our life in which we see the world through a different lens. Creatively we see things differently because weâ€™re all having kids. Weâ€™re all experiencing a change in our lives. Weâ€™re all getting to an introspective point where we look back on stupid crap we said to our parents and realizing weâ€™re hearing stupid crap from our kids in just the same way. The audience, I think, wants it as well. To me thatâ€™s the best part about it.
GamesBeat: Both God of War and The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the WildÂ are two very established franchises that are changing things in interesting ways. They’re also two of the most talked about games from E3. But with God of War, itâ€™s not just gameplay. Do you feel a sense of validation, in any case, now that youâ€™ve shown it and seen that positive reaction?
Barlog: Yes. I didnâ€™t sleep for days leading up to this. Tossing and turning. I believed in this with every fiber of my being. I believe in the team I work with. But it doesnâ€™t matter how much belief you have. That voice inside your head that says theyâ€™re all gonna laugh at you — I can see a GAF post that just eviscerates this, and a thousand other follow-ups that say the same thing. â€śDid I make a mistake?â€ť Then I go and re-evaluate every choice, and no, this is what we were talking about, this works. Iâ€™ve re-watched it over and over again.
I wasnâ€™t nervous about playing it in front of millions of people. Didnâ€™t bother me at all. What bothered me was, what are they going to say afterward? We did it so many times in rehearsal to an empty theater, so I kind of got used to it, though. Iâ€™d finish up and one person would clap, right? That awkward moment from high school. And then weâ€™d move on. Iâ€™d be ushered off so I couldnâ€™t see anything else from the show.
But man, sitting out there in the balcony, people stood up. They were clapping for that. That was unexpected and amazing.