Testimony of Raymond Handboy in the
Trial of Arlo Looking Cloud
February, 2004

THE COURT: Call your next witness, please.

MR. MANDEL: United States would call Raymond Handboy.


called as a witness, being first duly sworn, testified and

said as follows:


Q. Sir, would you state your name, please?

A. Raymond Handboy.

Q. How is your last name spelled, sir?

A. Spell it?

Q. Yes?

A. H-A-N-D-B-0-Y.

Q. All one word?

A. Yes.

Q. What do you do for a living. Ray?

A. I work for IHS, Indian Health Service.

Q. Is that here in Rapid City?

A. Yes.

Q. How long have you been working for them?

A. Sixteen years.

A. Were you formerly married to Evelyn Bordeau?

A. Yes.

Q. Can you tell me what year the two of you got married?

A. Repeat that?

Q. What year were the two of you married?

A. 1977, I think.

Q. How long were you married?

A. Four years.

Q. Back in 1975 were you already going with Evelyn Bordeau?

A. Yes.

Q. At that time did she have some involvement in the

American Indian Movement?

A. Yes, I believe she did, yeah.

Q. To the extent you know, what was her involvement?

A. I think she just knew a lot of people in the movement.

Q. What about you, yourself, did you have any involvement in it?

A. Me?

Q. Yes.

A. No, not really, no.

Q. When did the two of you initially get together?

A. I met her in '75.

Q. In September of '75 were you already together?

A. Yes.

Q. In September of '75 did she ask you to take a trip to

Pierre at some point?

A. Yeah, we --

Q. Excuse me, I misstated that, I meant November?

A. November, yes. Yes, she did.

Q. Was that toward the end of November of '75?

A. I think it was toward the end, we were wintery out and


Q. Do you remember how that came about, sir?

A. I just came home from work one day and she said she, she

asked me if I wanted to take a drive, and I said doing what?

She said we need to give someone a ride. I said sure, let's do it.

Q. When you say you came home from work, where were you

working back then?

A. I was working at the Elsworth Air Force base part time,

and at the Central Fair Grounds here in Rapid.

Q. Did she tell you who you were taking for a ride?

A. No, I didn't know until we got over there.

Q. Did she tell you where you were riding to?

A. She said we are going to Denver.

Q. Was that the first stop you made?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you go to Pierre before you went to Denver?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember what time of day you headed out for

Pierre, sir?

A. It was in the evening, when we got over there in Pierre

it was dark. It was about 10:00 or something like that, I


Q. Where did you go when you got to Pierre?

A. We went to a hotel. There was a hotel, but there was a

gas station across from the hotel. At least I thought it was

a hotel, and I parked across the street in the gas station.

It was closed, it was pretty late when we got there. Evelyn

went into the hotel and she came out with Anna Mae.

Q. Was that the St. Charles Hotel?

A. I think so, I think that is what it is called, yeah.

Q. When Evelyn came out of the hotel did she introduce you

to the person you were giving a ride to?

A. Yes.

Q. What was her name?

A. Anna Mae.

Q. I have handed you Exhibit No. 27, a photograph, do you

recognize the individual in that photograph?

A. Yes.

Q. Who is that?

A. That is Anna Mae.

Q. After I take it she got into the car then?

A. Yes.

Q. Who was seated where, who was driving?

A. I was driving. We stopped and got gas I think at a

station going over the bridge before we leave Pierre, and we

filled up, and they wanted to go straight south to route 90,

then we were supposed to go to Murdo, I think it is, and then

south past Rosebud in to Nebraska to route 80. They wanted to

hit 80 and go west to Denver.

Q. So you were taking Highway 83 down to Highway 80?

A. Yes, I think that's the road.

Q. What time of night was it when you left there?

A. It was late, probably 11:00 or 12:00. It was pretty

late I know. I don't know exact time, but it was late.

Q. After you gassed up you were driving?

A. Yes.

Q. Where were they seated?

A. In the back.

Q. Both of them?

A. Yeah.

Q. Was there anyone else with you?

A. No.

Q. Was there any discussion as to why you were doing this?

A. No.

Q. So you took off down the road during the -- first of

all, did you drive all the way down to Denver from there?

A. Yes.

Q. Straight through overnight?

A. Yes.

Q. You drink a lot of coffee while were you doing it?

A. Oh, yeah. Off and on we would stop at a truck stop and

get coffee and then drive on.

Q. How long did it take you to drive down there?

A. Probably about six hours or more, because it was pretty

bad out. The roads were pretty rough.

Q. During the course of the drive was there any conversation?

A. Oh, they were talking, but I couldn't really hear what

they were saying because I was just paying attention to driving.

Q. So you weren't able to listen to any of the

conversat ion?

A. No.

Q. What happened when you got to Denver, sir?

A. They kind of indicated they knew where they were going

to me. I didn't know anything about Denver or the city, and

first time I ever been there, but they knew where they wanted

to go, and they just told me where to go, and I just drove.

And when we got to where she wanted off, we stopped and we let

her off, and they got out and they hugged each other. And I

just asked her do we have enough money to get back, and she

goes yeah, so we started out.

Q. Just turned around and headed back up to Rapid City?

A. Yes.

MR. MANDEL: I have no further questions, Your



Q. Afternoon, sir.

A. Hello.

Q. You have been interviewed before about this by Robert

Ecoffey, haven't you?

A. Pardon.

Q. Have you ever been interviewed by Bob Ecoffey about this situation?

A. Yes.

Q. How long ago was that, do you recall?

A. Probably in the spring.

Q. Looks like there is a report here from a March 13 of

1996, could he have talked to you quite a while ago about all this?

A. He might of, but I don't really remember that.

Q. Is it possible that Ms. Pictou-Aquash said to your wife

on this trip down to Denver that when she was in Pierre that

the FBI had threatened her?

A. No, I didn't hear nothing like that.

Q. Didn't hear anything at all like that?

A. No.

Q. Never said anything like that to you?

A. No.

Q. Or to your wife in your presence?

A. She wouldn't talk to me, she mostly talked to my wife

Evelyn at the time.

Q. Mostly Anna Mae was quiet on the trip down?

A. Yeah, they just talked about their families, you know,

the kids and stuff. I heard them talking about that when they

first started out. Then after that I couldn't. If they did

say things it didn't mean nothing to me, so I didn't pay


Q. You don't recall talking then to Mr. Ecoffey back in 1996?

A. You know, he probably did, but I don't remember.

Q. So the lady who becomes your wife says Ray, let's go to

Pierre and let's go to Denver and that is no problem to you?

A. No, of course not.

Q. Nothing out of the ordinary about something like that?

A. No.

Q. As you went down there you didn't know really the

purpose of the trip or anything like that, did you?

A. No.

Q. And even though you were in the car listening to what

people may or may not have been saying, you didn't find out

really the purpose of the trip, did you, sir?

A. No.

Q. Then you just came back to Rapid and went about your business?

A. Yes, I was just driving.

MR. RENSCH: That's all.

THE COURT: Anything further.


Q. I neglected to ask you, sir, on direct examination, what

happened to your wife Evelyn?

A. She got killed in a car accident in 1981.

MR. MANDEL: Thank you, nothing further, Your Honor.

MR. RENSCH: Nothing further.

THE COURT: Thank you, you may step down.

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