Is C.H.I.P dead?


#1

Hi,

I am wonder, if is CHIP dead, beacuse its long time ago when they stop and start working on GR8 (or something like that). I am very angry, I order one and when I want more, they stop production…

Will be CHIP back?


#2

Yes, the original CHIP is dead.

There is the CHIP Pro, which is also unavailable at the moment.

As far as the new CHIP goes, I have to believe the hardware exists (given time from announcement). Just not sure why they are keeping quiet.

At this point, don’t get your hopes up. Go find another SBC for your needs.


#3

Alright, since i’m backed into a corner here, what is another SBC that I can order that is at the $9 range and that won’t just vanish without any news at all?

I own 4 CHIPS. I’m bummed out because I would order wayyyyyyy more if they were still a thing :frowning:


#4

@Ouren I had to move on to other hardware to keep my project going. So far I’ve received the Orange Pi Zero ($6.99 / $8.99) and the NanoPi NEO Core ($7.99 / $17.99). Both were very easy to get up and running with Buildroot. Buildroot’s default setup uses Vagrant where as NTC used Docker. Vagrant was almost as easy to get up and running and is a lot more transparent in how it works.


#5

I have to agree with @EricB
The Orange Pi Zero has worked perfectly for me and was less of a headache in so many ways. Also the external wifi antenna/connector made life a lot easier as my 3d printer would cause a little interference with the CHIP and the nand issues was the reason i switched to orange pi. The Orange pi zero i got a 512mb version.


#7

@xtacocorex Do you know any FCC/CE approved SBC in the price range of CHIP Pro? I was thinking about NanoPI, but it turns out that these have too big unintentional radiation to be certified.


#8

The only people I know that have gone through certification for wifi and bluetooth are NTC (with CHIP and CHIP pro) and Raspberry Pi (with Pi3 and ZeroW). Most of the others haven’t even bothered.

Also I think some of the other boards have poor choices for the WiFi chipset used (certainly there were a lot of warnings from the communities about the WiFi chipset in the orange pi zero and how it’s currently unsupportable in mainline kernels as the required documentation wasn’t available).

More devices without rf components (WiFi or bluetooth) may have certification, but that’s likely easier to obtain.


#9

Appearently, the original CHIP is dead. Customers who already paid for they CHIP are also considerd dead by Next Thing Co, so they keep their money without answering any of their emails about their lost orders.


#10

We will FCC and CE certify for sure. I am thinking about Omega2/Omega2S with additional flash storage and the bluetooth module. What do you think about it?

PS. I know that Onion is another kickstarter company, so I am a little bit concerned about them. Still, our product needs to be cheap, so I can’t use modules from Toradex, SOPINE (Pine64) or even Raspberry PI compute unit. This is a risk we must take.


#11

Omega is crap and I’d say your best bet is using tinkerboard or something with greater support. I am testing a first gen linux compute stick with lubuntu. It is really good. Ubuntu that is installed on it is very laggy. I got the compute stick for the price of a RPi. It comes with 1gb ram and 8gb storage. The windows version with double ram and quadrupal the storage is 40. So for a bit extra, you got a substantially better product.


#12

Yea but those sticks are only good if you want a wifi dongle type pc… no interface abilities and so on… basically good for a smart screen and not much else without addons. You can plug in an arduino n so on…


#13

Yeah, it is just a cheap alternative, not saying it is the best.


#14

Guys, I do not need any of these. The system I am working on requires you to have 100+ devices in one setup. Few dollars make big difference here as it is multiplied by 100 or even more. I only need 600Mhz+, ~256MB RAM device with decent storage. Also, the board will be surface mounted, so all of these rPIs are not a way to go for me. Omega2S is not perfect, but still better than any of your suggestions…


#15

If I am right, if internal eMMC of NanoPi NEO Core can be used as storage with OS > the last thing I need is WiFi and I will buy xx of it… But if internal eMMC isn’t for OS and data and I will need SD card, I will go for NanoPi Duo what has Wi-Fi…


#16

Ohhh. Get the Orange Pi 2G IOT. Should have told me RAM isn’t an issue.


#17

Chip being open hardware, why couldn’t somebody grab the specs and have some more made, along with a new kickstarter campaign ?


#18

If the issue is availability of certain parts then that may not help until that availability issue has been solved.

Otherwise yes someone could get their own batch made, but you might find that various suppliers/manufacturers won’t talk to you unless your talking about quantities of 10k units or more. That’s assuming the gerbers have been published (rather than just the circuit diagram - I’ve not actually checked for the gerber files).


#19

It‘s all there:

One needs to export gerbers from the ORCAD file manually


#20

It’s very possible however given they had to discontinue CHIP it would not surprise me if the cost to build even in their >50,000 piece lots exceeds $9 each.

An unfortunate part of building consumer electronics is that even 50,000 pieces is considered pretty small for a manufacturing run.

If I had CHIP quoted out by purchasing where I work, I would not be surprised to get back a quote like this:
$200 each @ 100 pieces ($20,000/order or no bid)
$100 each @ 1,000 pieces ($100,000/order or no bid)
$50 each @ 10,000 pieces ($500,000/order or no bid)
$20 each @ 100,000 pieces ($2,000,000/order)
$8 each @ 1,000,000 pieces ($8,000,000/order)


#21

Onion has been delivering product reliably for a couple years, so I wouldn’t worry too much about that. I believe some of this is down to the fact that it’s plausible that they are actually making a profit selling their Omega whereas it’s hard to see how NextThing was building CHIPs for $9. One can also get a very similar development board directly from MediaTek, the SOC vendor and they’re probably not going away anytime soon.

The Omega modules are intended to be used on a carrier board rather than as a standalone module as the power is not regulated on board. They’re also considerably more limited devices than CHIP in that they have a relatively small amount of memory and a less powerful CPU. It may be adequate for your application, but it’s strictly a web enabled embedded processor, not really a general purpose device like CHIP (or RaspberryPi, Orange Pi, etc).