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From The New Yorker:

Elizabeth Warren Falls for Trump’s Trap—and Promotes Insidious Ideas About Race and DNA

By Masha Gessen October 16, 2018

The Trumpian taunt is a trap. A video released by Senator Elizabeth Warren, of Massachusetts, on Monday demonstrates just how it works. …

When ancestry-testing services first appeared in this country a dozen years ago, they found that Americans, at least, tended to have fairly reliable stories about their family heritage. An exception was people who had a family story, usually passed down through a number of generations, of having Native American blood—most often, the legend said that they were Cherokee. For years, geneticists had trouble finding any corroboration for this claim. It’s possible that their tests weren’t sensitive enough, or that they were looking in the wrong place; it is also possible that family stories of having descended from Native Americans were particularly unreliable. Over time, the tests learned to detect ever more subtle signs and patterns, as Warren’s case appears to have done.

First generation testing services had an amusing knack for reporting Ashkenazi Jews as part American Indian: famously, Larry David was declared to be 3/8ths Native American in 2009, which sounds like a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode, but actually happened. But they’ve gotten a lot more competent over the years.

… The senator’s video is carefully worded. Warren says that she is laying no claim to citizenship in a tribe. She frames her understanding of her ancestry in terms of experience, though this experience seems fairly well removed: the defining event in Warren’s family was her father’s family’s disapproval of his marriage to her future mother; Warren says that it was the Native American heritage that made her father’s family suspicious. Talking heads from the universities where Warren was employed assure the audience that she has never used her heritage to advance professionally.

I’d find these kind of declarations more persuasive if they included a list of Harvard Law Professors who indeed were hired for Diversity reasons. For example, I’d be impressed if a former dean said on camera: “Senator Warren was completely not a quota hire, unlike, say, Derrick Bell, who is only here because he’s black. If Derrick Bell were white, we wouldn’t have hired him in a million years even if he were the last white man on earth. But Warren was totally different than Bell.”

That’s the kind of hard-hitting inside investigation I’d pay to read.

But, in general, almost nobody in the 49 year history of affirmative action has ever been personally singled out by the Establishment as benefiting from affirmative action according to insiders who made the hire. You are allowed to be vaguely aware that affirmative action exists, but you aren’t ever supposed to think about who exactly got in because of it.

… Warren ended up providing one of the clearest examples yet of how Trumpian rhetoric shifts the political conversation.

Why is the President allowed to intrude in The Conversation? We need to have a national conversation over who is allowed into the conversation. And, more importantly, who isn’t. Why can’t Trump understand that the phrase “the conversation” means STFU, YT?

… She is also reinforcing one of the most insidious ways in which Americans talk about race: as though it were a measurable biological category, one that, in some cases, can be determined by a single drop of blood. Genetic-test evidence is circular: if everyone who claims to be X has a particular genetic marker, then everyone with the marker is likely to be X. This would be flawed reasoning in any area, but what makes it bad science is that it reinforces the belief in the existence of X—in this case, race as a biological category.

Warren’s video will hardly convince a Trump voter, who will see only a woman who feels that she has to prove something. Trump himself has already walked back his promise of a million-dollar charity donation. Warren, meanwhile, has allowed herself to be dragged into a conversation based on an outdated, harmful concept of racial blood—one that promotes the pernicious idea of biological differences among people—and she has pulled her supporters right along with her.

We need to have a conversation about not having a conversation about DNA and race.

 
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  1. Elizabeth is now to be cast out. Banished to the Outland of the Beckys. Begone Female White Privilege!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hamlet's Ghost
  2. TheBoom says:

    White man bad

    Race doesn’t exist

    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
  3. Now DNA stands for “do not ask”?

    • LOL: byrresheim
  4. Genetic-test evidence is circular: if everyone who claims to be X has a particular genetic marker, then everyone with the marker is likely to be X.

    Is it possible to be stupider than this?

    Behold The New Yorker.

  5. Biological differences among people? Damnable lies, sir, damnable lies!

  6. J.Ross says: • Website

    The guy who promotes insidious ideas about race at Twitter is fellow white person Yoel Roth. The twitter handle Not Racist When We Do It is posting a review of his work.

    Anon said: “This guy has overseen and directed the mass censorship at twitter and helped jack blow smoke up the governments ass about it.”

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/189784270

    • Replies: @FO337
    , @Svigor
    , @FO337
  7. Cato says:

    I’d be impressed if a former dean said on camera: “Senator Warren was completely not a quota hire, unlike, say, Derrick Bell, who is only here because he’s black. If Derrick Bell were white, we wouldn’t have hired him in a million years even if he were the last white man on earth. But Warren was totally different that Bell.”

    Oh man, that made me laugh! I could just see a movie, like Liar, Liar, where a character blurts this out.

  8. Jack D says:

    This has backfired spectacularly on Warren – she is being criticized from the left. She was probably HOPING that Trump would call her Pocahontas some more. In a Dem primary fight, being hated by Trump is a badge of honor and a sign that you are an estimable opponent.

    But instead the headline in the NYTimes is something like “Indian Tribes Criticize Warren”. Sorry, Becky, you don’t have as many Pokemon points as you thought you had.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  9. (((Masha Gesson)))

    as genetic an Ashkenazic Jew as you’ll ever encounter and

    also a communist and a

    lez. But these latter 2 categories aren’t gene-linked, just

    Jew-linked.

  10. “She is also reinforcing one of the most insidious ways in which Americans talk about race: as though it were a measurable biological category, one that, in some cases, can be determined by a single drop of blood.”

    Yes, Americans are always talking about things insidiously.

    Unlike weird little Russian lesbo-goblins.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  11. @TheBoom

    Sounds like you’re mocking inner-monologue-challenged characters. That’s both hate speech and election disinformation. Time for Unz to clean up this cesspool of wrongthink and prevent Russian bots from once again meddling in our holy elections!
    c:\>

  12. Why is Masha Gessen an expert in the genetics of race?

  13. In the spirit of Barbecue Becky and Permit Patty I’d like to suggest DNA Liz. Trump should run with it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  14. And so the purge of whites from the Democratic Party comtimues. This is suicidal. My retired teacher, charity volunteering, Democratic voting mother loves Warren. There must be millions of reliable Democratic voters like her. Will they vote for a party that is trying to purge nice, earnest, older white ladies for holding views that were acceptable yesterday, but are Nazism in The Current Year?

    If the Democrats continue these anti-white rhetoric and actions, they will be crushed in 2020.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Jefferson
    , @Rosie
  15. …the pernicious idea of biological differences among people…

    Humans are all exactly the same. Men, women, Pygmies, Dinkas, Einstein, the kid down the street, are all exactly the same, once we get past false cultural stereotypes and dangerously real, culturally inculcated attitudes like doubleplusungoodthink. Anyone suggesting otherwise is spreading a “pernicious lie”. These people must be crushed into subservient obedience to the narrative.

  16. Twinkie says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    My retired teacher, charity volunteering, Democratic voting mother loves Warren.

    Fear not. We’ll find her another white-looking American Indian.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
  17. Svigor says:

    I thought this was pretty rich:

    Three Percent of Elizabeth Warren’s DNA from Ancestor Who Rounded Up Cherokees for ‘Trail of Tears’

    So her Indian-genocidaire ancestry is many times her Indian ancestry.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  18. FO337 says:
    @J.Ross

    The twitter handle Not Racist When We Do It is posting a review of his work.

    You’re trying to tempt me back on Twitter, aren’t you? Won’t work!!

    What’s the saying, thrice burned, um, what’s the word for four times?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  19. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘White supremacists’ spend lots of time saying Jews and Asians are smarter and blacks are better at sports.

    So, why are they called ‘supremacists’?

    Bunch of Narrative Supremacists.

  20. Jefferson says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    “And so the purge of whites from the Democratic Party comtimues.”

    The Democratic Party will continue to get a late 30s to early 40s percentage share of the White vote in presidential elections, so they are doing just fine.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  21. Svigor says:
    @J.Ross

    Replace every reference to whites with a reference to Jews and watch his head explode as he bans you so fast he goes back in time.

    One sentence review of Mission Chinese: White people like eating fancy Chinese food in dimly-lit spaces while listening to rap.

    Seems antisemitic.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  22. Svigor says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Unlike weird little Russian Jewish lesbo-goblins.

    FIFY but otherwise QFT.

  23. Jefferson says:
    @Twinkie

    “Fear not. We’ll find her another white-looking American Indian.”

    During The Golden Age Of Hollywood, Amerindians were played exclusively by Italians and Jews.

  24. @Uilleam Yr Alban

    They’re all experts on Everything. Give Ezra Klein 20 minutes on Wiki and he’ll give you 1,000 strongly opinionated words on Anything.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  25. Jefferson says:

    Woke Wakanda Sista Franchesca Ramsey from MTV said it’s possible to be both a Person Of Color and still have White Privilege at the same time when she did as video about “Nonwhites” who can pass for White.

    So there is still hope for Elizabeth Warren to maintain her Person Of Color status.

    • Replies: @NickG
  26. George says:

    My Elizabeth Warren dossier:

    Was she an affirmative action hire?

    Her law degree is from a public university Rutgers which according to Wikipedia is rare. As of 2011, she was the only tenured law professor at Harvard who had attended law school at an American public university.

    On the other hand she has a long career of teaching at increasingly more prominent universities and doing research while raising a family. She joined the Harvard faculty after working there as a visiting prof and the Ivy League Univ of Penn. She was highly cited specializing in bankruptcy and commercial law (aka real law not some weird gender fluidity bs law).

    It is not clear to me she needed any affirmative action, her cv is pretty massive for a law professor and step by step over decades she does all the right things entering Harvard. It is not clear if she applied to work at Harvard or if Harvard sifted through CVs of visiting professors they liked and contacted her.

    Back to affirmative action, I don’t think the Cherokee thing got her special treatment at Harvard. Being a female, a mother, and an Oklahoman might have.

    Her cv is:

    1968 She married an IBM employee.
    1970 She got a BS Speach Pathology, proceeded to teach disabled children after getting a waiver for not having teaching credentials.
    1972 She gave birth to a daughter.
    1974 She started Rutgers Law School.
    1976 She graduated Law School and gave birth to her second child.
    1977-1978 She did lawyering type jobs from home while the raising the child and was a lecturer at Rutgers Law School.
    1978 She got divorced
    1980 She marries a University of Pennsylvania Law School Professor.
    1978–83 Houston Law Center where she became Associate Dean for Academic Affairs in 1980, and tenure in 1981. 1981 Visiting Prof at University of Texas School of Law
    1983–87 Full Prof Houston Law Center and researcher at Population Research Center of the University of Texas at Austin (1983–87). 1985 Visiting Prof at the U of Michigan.
    1984 Silly ‘Pow Wow Chow’ book is published including not very Cherokee recipes from Warren.
    1987-1995 Endowed Prof at University of Pennsylvania Law School. 1992 Robert Braucher Visiting Professor of Commercial Law Harvard Law School.
    1995 Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard Law School

  27. notanon says:

    the media has always known race is real and intelligence is genetic – they lie about it cos the people who pay their wages want to create a planet of 85 IQ slaves

  28. tyrone says:

    We need to know ……RIGHT NOW Sen. Warren ,are you now or have you ever been a milk drinker!

  29. @George

    She seems pretty impressive to me in general.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  30. OT:

    UC Berkeley chancellor condemns anti-Semitic fliers found on campus

    In response to anti-Semitic fliers that were found around UC Berkeley, Chancellor Carol Christ yesterday issued a statement blasting the “disturbing, disgusting” posters and urging the Cal community to stand together in “condemnation of this and all hateful ideologies.”

    The fliers, which also were posted at UC Davis and Vassar College in New York, blame Jews for the sexual assault allegations against newly sworn-in Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, with an image of Kavanaugh surrounded by Jewish members of the Senate with Stars of David drawn on their foreheads. Also featured is Jewish billionaire George Soros, who has been accused of funding opposition to Kavanaugh.

    “Every time some Anti-White, Anti-American, Anti-freedom event takes place, you look at it, and it’s Jews behind it,” read the fliers, discovered on Oct. 8. Responsibility was attributed to “your local Stormer book club,” the same attribution that appeared on anti-Semitic fliers found at five East Bay synagogues in late August. According to the ADL, the Daily Stormer Book Club chapters, or SBCs, are “small crews of young white men who follow and support Andrew Anglin and his neo-Nazi website, the Daily Stormer.”

    In her statement, Christ noted the text of the fliers echoed “a common, classic refrain perpetrated by those who see our Jewish friends, colleagues and fellow citizens as the root of all evil. There is little if any difference between this demonizing rhetoric and that used by the Nazis in the lead up to, and during the course of the Holocaust.”

    She said the UC Berkeley administration and campus community “abhor and condemn anti-Semitic words and deeds on this campus and beyond. UC Berkeley unequivocally supports the University of California Regents’ ‘Principles Against Intolerance,’ which clearly condemn bias, hatred, prejudice and discrimination. We also adhere to and strongly support this specific statement in the Principles; “Anti-Semitism and other forms of discrimination have no place in the University.”

    Christ asked that anyone with information about the incident contact the campus police at (510) 642-6760

    flyer pic here:

    https://www.jweekly.com/2018/10/11/uc-berkeley-chancellor-condemns-anti-semitic-fliers-found-on-campus/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anon
    , @FO337
    , @Svigor
  31. Rosie says:
    @candid_observer

    Is it possible to be stupider than this?

    No.

  32. Tim says:

    Yeah, I don’t like her or her politics, but she has a very impressive CV. And I think someone on Steve’s site had her as a professor, and said she was very good.

  33. Tim says:

    But, “Masha Gessen”???? Talk about privilege! ((((()))))))

  34. Rosie says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    This is suicidal. My retired teacher, charity volunteering, Democratic voting mother loves Warren.

    Indeed. If I’m not mistaken, Warren’s actual politics aren’t that bad when you look past the cringeworthy Fauxcahantas larping. I think she would have been a good candidate for the Dems, appealing as she is to nice White ladies. It’s good for Trump that she is out of the way.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @Authenticjazzman
  35. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    “Warren, meanwhile, has allowed herself to be dragged into a conversation based on an outdated, harmful concept of racial blood..”

    Elizabeth Warren is the one who has been pushing this conversation about her being a Picohontas, for decades, nitwit. And how fanatic are your own people about who is a chosen one?

  36. ic1000 says:
    @candid_observer

    The Progressive Left may be stupid, but they can all agree that BiDil, “the fixed dose combination drug treatment specifically approved by the US FDA to be used to treat African Americans with congestive heart failure,” must not work.

    If you are black and have severe CHF, you must refuse to swallow these pills. No problem for the cntrl-left if you die as a result, as that will (somehow) further prove that Race Is A Social Construct.

  37. @Jack D

    Warren rolled out her DNA results with this Democratic Convention worthy video that is now buried on her Youtube page. It’s folksy and moving. This was supposed to be her meta-announcement for Democratic nominee for president.

    She better learn from this misfire, but she is still a strong candidate.

    • LOL: Bragadocious
    • Replies: @Jack D
  38. SLM says:

    “…most often, the legend said that they were Cherokee.”

    So true. I’ve never heard anybody claim to be part Pueblo or Chumash.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  39. I remember going to grade school in the mid 70s there were always one or two white kids in class who claimed to be part Cherokee. It was always Cherokee, never Sioux, Pequot or Iroquois. This quickly became the class scuttlebutt and was considered cool. Hey did you hear, Sarah is part Indian. Now that I look back, it seems a sad bid for attention, nothing more. I bet Liz was one of these girls.

  40. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @George

    She may have known her stuff as many other non T14 law school grads, but U of P and Harvard being the elitist snobs that they are would never have taken a second look at her if she didn’t check the right box under “race”.

  41. BenKenobi says:
    @Jefferson

    “When Hollywood runs out of Indians,
    only the Indians will know.”

    - Matt Good, Champion of Nothing

  42. Note the headline says “insidious”. Not “inaccurate”.

  43. istevefan says:

    By Masha Gessen October 16, 2018

    …as though it were a measurable biological category, one that, in some cases, can be determined by a single drop of blood.

    So wrote the gal who benefited from a Cold War immigration policy that made such distinctions.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  44. Jack D says:
    @Jefferson

    Because they would show up on the set on time and not drunk, unlike actual Amerinds. Indians are sort of like Irish in that they are really great people when they are not drunk but monsters when drunk (see Kav), so when you average out the drunk/not drunk times they are not so hot to have around on average.

    Actually, some of the Hollywood actors playing Indians really were Indians, such as Jay Silverheels (Tonto).

  45. @ic1000

    I attended diversity training where everyone pretended to read “Courageous Conversations”, a popular current year goodthink manual. Being a curious badthinker I actually read it…

    One chapter was about how woke school kids followed their jewish professor’s advice and started a letter writing campaign to a manufacturer of calcium supplements. The goal was to get the recommendation of calcium supplements as specifically for *asian and white women* removed from the bottle.

    The evil racist company was just putting that on the bottle because they didn’t want NAM women purchasing their products. Probably management preferred being publicly racist to additional revenue.

    White supremacist medical researchers claim that differences in bone density contribute to osteoporosis risk for white and asian women. “Courageous Conversations” of course courageously understood that biological race does not exist so it did not see fit to platform the spewers of these hate misrepresentations.

    The Courageous result?

    Elderly black women should spend their modest means on calcium supplements that are not shown to benefit them AND/OR white and asian women should not take calcium supplements… and just get osteoporosis. Basically affirmative action for degenerative bone disease.

    Narrative uber alles!

    • Replies: @ic1000
  46. NickG says:
    @Jefferson

    So there is still hope for Elizabeth Warren to maintain her Person Of Color status.

    HOW!

  47. Jack D says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Yes, it’s exactly as I suspect – she was trumpeting Trump’s criticism as a badge of honor among Dems.
    Also:

    Native communities have faced discrimination neglect and violence for generations and Trump can say whatever he wants about me but mocking Native Americans or any group in order to try to get at me that’s not what America stands for.

    This drives me nuts. Who the F appointed Liz Warren and the Democrats the arbiter of “what America stands for “? Obama got away with this for a while but it’s getting pretty stale and sanctimonious. Stopping men from using the ladies room – that’s not who we are! Preventing gay couples from having their wedding cakes baked by the baker of their choice – that’s not who we are! Next week – stopping unions between humans and the animals that they love and that love them – that’s not who we are! I thought we were supposed to be for diversity so Americans could agree to disagree and stand (or kneel) for many different things, but they keep telling us that we all have to stand for the same thing and they keep telling us what that thing is this week and we are all supposed to agree to stand for that thing or else we are not Americans.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    , @Forbes
  48. First generation testing services had an amusing knack for reporting Ashkenazi Jews as part American Indian: famously, Larry David was declared to be 3/8ths Native American in 2009, which sounds like a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode, but actually happened.

    The Book of Mormon is real!

  49. Alfa158 says:
    @candid_observer

    It seems stupid to most people because most of us have what is termed “Goyische kopfs”. That basically means that we are suckers who try to engage in straightforward, logical thinking with the intent of working toward the truth. Masha knows she is making a bad faith argument, but the entire intent is to twist the argument in whatever direction leads to victory. We aren’t supposed to be smart or subtle enough to notice the argument is stupid.

    • Agree: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  50. @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Trump claims another scalp.

    Heap big election gains by hunter’s moon.

  51. @Bragadocious

    Perhaps it was that song “Indian Reservation (Cherokee People)” by Paul Revere and the Raiders that popularized that choice of tribe.

  52. @istevefan

    Is Masha still a gal? I thought that was being reconsidered.

    The students manning the desk at a college library I visited recently all sported buttons announcing their “preferred pronouns”. I’m pretty sure it was required of them– few looked nutty, and the school is traditionally tilted to tech, though it offers design and even fashion, too.

  53. Mr. Anon says:

    Genetic-test evidence is circular: if everyone who claims to be X has a particular genetic marker, then everyone with the marker is likely to be X. This would be flawed reasoning in any area, but what makes it bad science is……

    From Wikipedia: “Gessen briefly attended Rhode Island School of Design and Cooper Union to study architecture.”

    When I want the definitive word on biology, I listen to a hostile, lesbian failed architect.

    “If most everyone who claims to be X has a particular a cluster of particular genetic markers, then most people who share that cluster of markers is likely to be X” is more or less self-evidently true.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  54. @George

    If Falco were still with us, he could’ve put her CV to music.

    2018 — Warren reveals 99% Crab Mayonnaise genetics to surprise of no one.

    In fall of that same year, Austrian rock singer Falco records:

    ROCK ME POCAHONTAS POCAHONTAS pocahontas …

  55. @Steve Sailer

    Huh. On paper, maybe? Not so much in person …

  56. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:

    On substance, for the market research trained blogger:

    1. Warren did not announce the test (and then see how she did). This allowed her to disclose a positive result only. Not a sign of extreme confidence (or candor).

    2. Warren refuses to admit if she or her siblings used a commercial test earlier. Makes it possible that she failed an earlier test (even perhaps because the test is not interested in hypothesis test on 1/1024th cases).

    3. She had her test done, not by a service (that many people use) but by a cherry picked choice. (Even though the person is credible).

    4. From the testing report it is obvious that the test was not blinded and that the tester knew Amerindian blood was key thing to look for.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  57. @Anonymous

    If your one ancestor is eight generations ago, there’s a pretty sizable chance that no test would show it because all the DNA segments from that ancestor have disappeared. So it’s pretty sensible for you to not announce you were taking the test ahead of time.

  58. Lurker says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Her degree from Beauty College?

  59. The really interesting ancestry/history here is Masha Gessen’s

  60. eah says:

    Warren’s video will hardly convince a Trump voter

    No amount of scientific evidence will convince obtuse ideologues of the reality of race and racial differences.

    outdated, harmful concept of racial blood

    One could make a case that nothing has been and will be more harmful to white countries than denial of race and racial differences.

    • Replies: @FO337
    , @eah
  61. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Because she’s a White hating liberal Jew

  62. Cortes says:
    @It's All Ball Bearings

    She looks like she’s (using horse race pedigree chat) “by Menachem Begin out of The Wicked Witch of the West.”

  63. @George

    The problem from the Left perspective is letting Harvard off the hook by giving them a pretend woman of color to brag on and/or taking that slot from a real woman of color.

    Plenty of other state law grads with similar resumes. None but Warren make the cut. She had the right politics and right gender and had plausible deniability by the standards of the time race wise. Wonder if that second husband did some work behind the scenes, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  64. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson

    Check out Jeffrey Hunter’s body of work. He played Indians a lot with his big bright blue eyes. He did have prominent cheekbones and a big nose though.

    The Indian extras could be anything even if they needed body make up. They all wore long black wigs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  65. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    Those flyers are distributed by the professional Jews to raise money for their bloated salaries.

    It always starts in the fall. Then comes the weeping and wailing about how offensive and a violation of the establishment clause the word Christmas is.

    Then about January 10 the ADL AJC Israel bonds separation of church and state fundraisers start.

    Living near where most of the Los Angeles Jewish fundraisers are held, I’m very familiar with how the fundraisers operate.

    The separation of church and state actually anti Christian NGOs are all on high alert in the fall so they can rush to sue school districts about Christmas activities and decorations.

  66. FO337 says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    These things are usually hoaxes, and dropped by the MSM like a hot potato on the rare occasions that the truth comes out.

    Speaking of…

    http://takimag.com/article/fake-news-autopsy/

    Is there not some dependable online repository of the most brazen examples?

  67. “You are allowed to be vaguely aware that affirmative action exists, but you aren’t ever supposed to think about who exactly got in because of it.”

    This is a great point. AA is necessary and wonderful for its intended beneficiaries and if you doubt it you are a bigot. But if you claim to have benefited from it you are a joke.

    • Agree: ic1000
  68. Jefferson says:
    @J.Ross

    “Is Christ Jewish?”

    Yes but he eats bacon, which is why Christians like him so much.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  69. eah says:
    @eah

  70. Stogumber says:

    I’m not convinced that Jews are sooo clever and that Gessen really tries to “outsmart” us. Most Jews are stupid enough to really believe what they suppose is good for them, and Gessen really believes her own nonsense about “circular arguing”. (Typically, she doesn’t understand that reality (genetical clusters) is completely independent from the words we use – it would make no difference if we were to say X instead of Black and Y instead of Amerindian.)
    But of course, she ought to have attacked not Warren, but Bustamante (who has been invoveld in a lot of studies about the biological base of Jewishness).
    By the way, has she never had analyzed her own ADN? Meseems that most commercial businesses on this field came from Jews and appealed to well-off Jews. What’s with her editor David Remnick – no ADN test?

  71. Another tidbit about using Affirmative Action to claim a racial identity not your own:

    When I was in college in the late 70′s, I picked up a book called (I think) “The Undergraduate’s Guide to Getting Good Grades” or “How to Get Good Grades in College”…I can’t find it on Amazon so I’m probably mis-remembering the title. It was written by two women who had failed to get into grad school, I think.

    One of their suggestions was to claim you were an “Algonquin Indian” because there was no way of checking your claim, and it qualified you for affirmative action. I remember their comment- “Don’t feel bad about screwing the system- they’re sure screwing you!” (Or something similar- this is from memory over 40 years old). I remember I had never heard of an Algonquin Indian, although I had heard the term Algonquin, so it stuck with me.

    Just as the recipes from “Pow Wow Chow” were lifted from a newspaper article in 1979, this could easily have been her inspiration for her using her “Indian Heritage” to get a leg up.

    I actually bought the book at the campus bookstore, and there was a quite scathing review of it in the student paper later, which claimed all their methods were b.s., but in fact they were quite useful study and grade tricks that worked.

    My point is that gaming the A.A. system has certainly been going on a long time, but never reached the critical mass necessary to get Americans to get their collective heads out of their collective asses about this particular con. I remember a movie in the 80′s about a guy passing for black by dyeing his skin (shades of John Howard Griffith, if you’ll pardon the pun!) to get into Harvard, but that was a comedy (Can’t remember the name of it).

    Elizabeth Warren may have wound up doing us all a favor.

    On a side note, I know of an Indian Casino scam where an extinct tribe was recreated and granted a gaming license. All it took was a hefty bribe to an archaeologist to declare that he had found bones from this tribe on “sacred Indian burial ground” (conveniently located just where it would work out best) and voila! Vegas, Baby!

    I think this is all the tip of the iceberg. I’ve lost count of how many “women owned businesses” I’ve run across where a guy starts a business in his wife’s name to qualify for set-asides. I’ve been approached by people to do this myself with them, but never bit ( I used to be in manufacturing).

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Fred Boynton
  72. @Alfa158

    “Masha knows she is making a bad faith argument, but the entire intent is to twist the argument in whatever direction leads to victory. “

    I can think of a commenter like that, who people still sometimes foolishly engage in debate (I stopped a year ago when I realised his schtick).

    ” an outdated, harmful concept of racial blood..”

    https://lawoffice.org.il/en/aliyah-to-israel-by-dna-test/

    Advocate Joshua Pex, Israeli immigration lawyer explains how to make Aliyah to Israel by DNA test and receive Israeli citizenship. Phone: 03-3724722.

  73. Realist says:
    @candid_observer

    Is it possible to be stupider than this?

    They’ll damn well try.

  74. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I cannot imagine any man on the planet voting for her.

  75. ic1000 says:
    @Anonymousse

    Re: standing courageously against racist prevention of osteoporosis

    Havel’s Czechoslovakia had their “greengrocer” grotesque forced on them by a foreign imperial power’s elite. Our society’s elites freely choose it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  76. ic1000 says:
    @Jack D

    > Preventing gay couples from having their wedding cakes baked by the baker of their choice – that’s not who we are!

    To me, this looks like a very sensible and effective way of identifying the bigots who live among us. America celebrates diversity, but that must not include tolerance of outmoded and deviant patterns of belief.

    Why should this benevolent social development be limited to professional bakers? I wouldn’t just be glad to be asked to bake a cake for a gay, trans, or mixed human/animal couple (or triple) — I’d be honored.

    We could have a National Service Brigade modeled on the Peace Corps, where volunteers accompanied by 60 Minutes, Dateline, Today, and Real Housevives video crews knock on doors to ask this question. Clearly, the most honest (and telegenic) responses would be those given in the middle of the night.

    It’s puzzling that nobody’s ever thought of such a great idea, before this.

  77. MEH 0910 says:
    @Charlesz Martel

    I remember a movie in the 80′s about a guy passing for black by dyeing his skin (shades of John Howard Griffith, if you’ll pardon the pun!) to get into Harvard, but that was a comedy (Can’t remember the name of it).

    Soul Man – C. Thomas Howell – Trailer

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  78. Coemgen says:
    @Rosie

    I think she would have been a good candidate for the Dems, appealing as she is to nice White ladies.

    You must mean cat ladies.

    I live in Massachusetts.

    I’ve tried to listen to or read her screeches speeches (e.g., war on women, the middle class is getting hammered, the Republican is attacking my family, …).

    In 2012 her first job in government, U.S. Senator, was obtained by riding Obama’s coattails and by an onslaught of anti-Scott Brown media (including a whisper campaign attacking his wife and daughters).

    When I’ve called her office to request she vote against party, my interlocutor has used a quite impolitic and icy tone of voice with me.

    Outside of fanatic Democrat circles, she is a terrible candidate.

  79. VivaLaMigra says: • Website

    Bottom line: Whoo!Whoo! Warren’s claim that there was discord in her own family in very recent generations over a “mixed marriage” is total BS, like 90% of the carp that comes out of her yap. I wouldn’t believe a pronouncement from her that “the sky is blue’ without personal verification.

  80. @ic1000

    They’re not our society.

    Ask them.

  81. Mr. Anon says:

    New Yorker: Warren “Promotes Insidious Ideas About Race and DNA”

    Masha Gessen promotes insidious ideas about marriage and family.

  82. Brutusale says:
    @George

    That she was able to check the “Woman” and “Minority” checkboxes helped clean up the leftover stink from the Clare Dalton tenure affair.

    When Warren first announced I went to the HLS site to check the CVs of the scholars there. I’ll be charitable to Warren by saying that her CV was lacking compared to those her peers.

  83. Brutusale says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Funny that lesbian troll Gessen went to a school known locally as “Riz-Dick”.

  84. Svigor says:
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    In response to anti-Semitic fliers that were found around UC Berkeley, Chancellor Carol Christ yesterday issued a statement blasting the “disturbing, disgusting” posters and urging the Cal community to stand together in “condemnation of this and all hateful ideologies.”

    This is some great free advertising.

    In her statement, Christ noted the text of the fliers echoed “a common, classic refrain perpetrated by those who see our Jewish friends, colleagues and fellow citizens as the root of all evil.

    This is a regime delegitimization bomb; anyone who looks into countersemitism will discover that countersemites don’t blame Jews for all evil, but rather specialize in raising awareness about the sort of evil that most people are too cowardly to expose, and the regime actively perpetuates, endorses, or obfuscates. Then the delegitimization bomb goes off: “the regime lies.”

    There is little if any difference between this demonizing rhetoric and that used by the Nazis in the lead up to, and during the course of the Holocaust.”

    Yeah but where’s the lie tho?

    Actually, it depends on which rhetoric she’s talking about. Yes, there’s a huge difference between Anglin’s countersemitism and the Nazis’; the Nazis whole schtick wasn’t meant to be funny, Anglin’s clearly is.

    She said the UC Berkeley administration and campus community “abhor and condemn anti-Semitic words and deeds on this campus and beyond. UC Berkeley unequivocally supports the University of California Regents’ ‘Principles Against Intolerance,’ which clearly condemn bias, hatred, prejudice and discrimination. We also adhere to and strongly support this specific statement in the Principles; “Anti-Semitism and other forms of discrimination have no place in the University.”

    “And if we get our hands on the perps, we’re gong to be extremely, unequivocally intolerant of them, act out our prejudice and bias against these people we hate by discriminating against them to the limits of the law (at least).”

  85. Svigor says:
    @J.Ross

    *sigh* we’ve been over this. Half. Half Jewish.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  86. lavoisier says: • Website

    We need to have a conversation about not having a conversation about DNA and race.

    The conversation is this: Shut up.

  87. @Svigor

    That would true of many descendants of slaves also. Massa is in the DNA.

  88. @FO337

    Philia: That’s the brute who raped my country, Thrace!

    Pseudolus: He raped Thrace?

    Philia: And then he came and did it again! And then again!

    Pseudolus: He raped Thrace thrice?

    • LOL: jim jones, FO337
  89. We need to have a conversation about not having a conversation about DNA and race.

    In this case it should read ‘We need to have a pow-wow about not having a pow-wow about DNA and race.’

  90. Forbes says:
    @Jack D

    The prog-left mouths platitudes about diversity, but demand conformity.

    Soon enough, your ascent, nor approval will be sufficient–participation will be required to demonstrate complete agreement. Anything not prohibited will be mandatory.

  91. @Charlesz Martel

    I’ve lost count of how many “women owned businesses” I’ve run across where a guy starts a business in his wife’s name to qualify for set-asides.

    You see this with racial minority-owned-businesses as well, with racial minority fronts used by whites (who run and work the business) to compete for set-asides.

    In the case of women owned businesses, there are many vanity businesses as well where the wife is selling arts and crafts things just to keep herself busy and able to brag about her artistic, creative and business skills.

  92. While we’re on the subject of Indians, does anybody know what tribe the author of the story, Masha Gessen, is apart of? She doesn’t tell us in the story or her byline.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @J.Ross
  93. Forbes says:
    @Bragadocious

    I grew up in upstate NY and the lore and history of the Iroquois Nation abounds–Oneida, Onondaga, Mohawk, Seneca, Cayuga, and later Tuscarora tribes–and the only affinity is in playing lacrosse.

    And of course highway markers directing you to the casino.

  94. @ic1000

    There’s already ample medical evidence that different races process salt, for example, differently. Also, is your family most likely to develop sickle-cell anemia, Tay-Sachs, or nephropathic cystinosis?

    Background will affect both susceptibility to certain conditions and appropriate treatment. How can effective health care be practiced without taking it into account?

  95. @Bragadocious

    Actually, Cherokee were most likely to intermarry with white people rather than kill them in nasty ways like the Apaches and the Comanches. So there could be some truth to it.

  96. @Jefferson

    He also likes alcohol at weddings, so the Irish like him too.

  97. Forbes says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Coincidentally, I recently re-watched “Blazing Saddles” for the first time in decades. It is severely dated, and does not stand the test of time. Slapstick comedy and pushing-the-envelope, cutting-edge gags of 1974 didn’t age well.

    When someone complains that “Blazing Saddles” couldn’t be made today–they’re right. And it wouldn’t be a loss. Whatever novelty, cleverness, or ingenuity it revealed has been surpassed. We’ve moved on.

    Curiously, “Young Frankenstein,” also from 1974, and also a Mel Brooks-Gene Wilder vehicle, is still quite hilarious, in my opinion, and does stand the test of time.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  98. Whichever Democrat Party presidential primary aspirant uses the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY the most effectively will win the Democrat Party nomination for president in 2020.

    Remember, Hillary Clinton got her brains bashed out by Bernie Sanders in the New Hampshire Democrat Party presidential primary.

    Was Hillary upset? Not really, she knew that a massive horde of Black female voters would provide her a means to give a counter-bashing to the brains of Bernie Sanders.

    Big Black ladies with beefy arms and fire in their belly were hot to trot about bashing the Hell out of Bernie Sanders and the Bernie Bros and the White gentry snots who supported Bernie Sanders.

    If you don’t understand the AUNT JEMIMA STRATEGY or the GERMAN STRATEGY, you will never understand anything about American presidential politics.

    Tweet from 2015:

  99. Gordo says:

    Surely the plagiarism is the big issue here, disqualifier for continued registration as a lawyer, resignation issue from public office?

  100. @George

    Okay so fifty years of delving into the sicko world of justitia, lawyering being the most abberrated human endeavor since the advent of human thought : The mad-cap world of fork-tongued barristers, states-attorneys, power-mad grifters, sadists otherwise known as “judges”, downright thieves and leftist shit-talkers beyond any comparison, and this background somehow qualifies her parade around 24/7 as a pompous perfesser, and considered by the leftist blue-haired nut-cases as someone who could actually run the entire country from the WH.
    Damn the end is nigh and apparently no way to hold it off.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz peformer

  101. @Fred Boynton

    While we’re on the subject of Indians, does anybody know what tribe the author of the story, Masha Gessen, is apart of? She doesn’t tell us in the story or her byline.

    Maybe Masha Gessen is a member of the Episcopalian Tribe like Madeleine Albright.

    The Gessen and Albright branch of the Episcopalian Tribe ain’t much known for their looks.

    • LOL: lavoisier
  102. @Rosie

    ” Warren’s actual politics aren’t that bad”

    Bullshit, the political concepts of each and every democrat ( not saying that republicans are beyond reproach) the political goals and worldviews of ALL democrats are steeped in insanity, with the hidden end goal of a northern version of Venezuela for the US.

    AJM

    • Replies: @Rosie
  103. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nasty Whore Hillary Lost To Donald John Trump

    Nasty Whore Jebby Bush Lost To Donald Trump The Conqueror

    Tweets from 2015:

  104. @candid_observer

    Is it possible to be stupider than this?

    Negatory.

    Peak Stupidity, bitchez!

  105. Anonymous[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Hunter is most famous today for having turned down the role of Captain Kirk on Star Trek.

  106. Rosie says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    I’m afraid I must disagree with you.

    From the NYT

    “Warren lays out a position I’d call enlightened populism. She rails against the growing concentration of income and wealth in the hands of a tiny elite; argues that this concentration of economic rewards has also undermined our political system; and links unequal wealth and power to the stagnating incomes, growing insecurity and diminishing opportunities facing ordinary families. She puts a face on these stresses with capsule portraits of middle-class travails: a Walmart worker who needs to visit a food pantry, a DHL worker forced to take a huge pay cut, a millennial crushed by student debt.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/books/review/this-fight-is-our-fight-elizabeth-warren.html

    Of course, if you have a problem with economic populism, I understand that, but that doesn’t change the fact that it would be very appealing to White working class swing voters.

  107. @Rosie

    Again though she chose the wrong team. Those voters are going R or not voting at all. Ds are too wedded to courting the virtue-signaling whites to allow any populism. Plus blacks don’t like whitey pretending to be of color.

  108. Sigdrifr says:

    The ancestry databases contain no Cherokee data because the Indians refuse to truck with white man’s science. The Indian data is from S America, so it’s closer to Cherokee than I am by a long shot, but can’t really make Warren’s case. Moreover, the fraction of ancestry she found is within the error bar, she may have more or less than it shows, but the signal to noise ratio is negative.
    So the whole thing was a badly calculated piece of political theater.
    And she’s not even running for office this cycle!

  109. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Fred Boynton

    If you need help with this one you may be in the wrong place.

  110. FO337 says:
    @J.Ross

    Important info, BTW. EST as they say. EFT.

  111. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    They certainly do not suffer from a lack of confidence.

  112. … She is also reinforcing one of the most insidious ways in which Americans talk about race: as though it were a measurable biological category, one that, in some cases, can be determined by a single drop of blood.

    Only stupid/dishonest Lefties say things like that. The Right is right and never says anything that idiotic. Nor do ordinary Americans.

    Ever.

    That’s entirely a Leftist fantasy/lie.

  113. @Svigor

    It all depends what religion the Holy Ghost is.

  114. Mr. Anon says:
    @Forbes

    Coincidentally, I recently re-watched “Blazing Saddles” for the first time in decades. It is severely dated, and does not stand the test of time.

    When someone complains that “Blazing Saddles” couldn’t be made today–they’re right. And it wouldn’t be a loss. Whatever novelty, cleverness, or ingenuity it revealed has been surpassed. We’ve moved on.

    Brooks is highly overrated. He wasn’t that funny. “The Producers” wasn’t bad. “The Twelve Chairs” was an interesting idea. Other than that, I don’t find much of his stuff very funny. “Get Smart” was pretty good, but I think a lot of that was down to its co-creator, Buck Henry. He got worse with time.

    Slapstick comedy and pushing-the-envelope, cutting-edge gags of 1974 didn’t age well.

    The ZAZ movies (Zucker-Abrams-Zucker) – Airplane, Top Secret, The Naked Gun, etc. – hold up pretty well. They are very broad comedy, but I still find them quite funny.

    Curiously, “Young Frankenstein,” also from 1974, and also a Mel Brooks-Gene Wilder vehicle, is still quite hilarious, in my opinion, and does stand the test of time.

    I heard that Wilder wrote more of the screenplay than Brooks did.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  115. @Rosie

    Quoting you : ” She rails against the growing concentration of of income and wealth in the hands of a tiny elite” Yeah a “tiny elite” of which she , with her six-figure income and estimated 14 million in estimated assets, is a select member.

    Look I just don’t know who you are trying to fool with your rediculous contention that she, EW, or any other fork-tongued Democrat, is concerned with the welfare of the peasants.
    She, as an leftist academic, a leftist BSer, looks down her nose at the unwashed masses, such as all of the leftist con-artists do.

    AJM

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @Rosie
  116. @Authenticjazzman

    I can’t speak to her personally, but I do know that type. The most Marxist, Feminist, [insert-cause-here]-ist ones on my campus were always the ones who wouldn’t talk to the maintenance staff unless they wanted them to do something, not even to say “Good morning” or complain about the weather. There was a maintenance strike at one point, and all the SJWs joined enthusiastically in the protests, and even trashed the bathrooms (seriously inconveniencing employees with wheelchairs or guide dogs who had to go to the next building). One academic with a working brain and soul knew some of the maintenance staff from her church, and was disgusted by the hypocrisy–even told me privately that the maintenance staff never told anyone to mess up the bathrooms; they were just going to refrain from cleaning them. She predicted that the perpetrators weren’t going to be nearly as enthusiastic about cleaning up the mess they had made when the strike was over.

    When the strike was over, the SJWs went back to ignoring the maintenance staff unless they wanted them to do something. And they were nowhere around when the bathrooms needed to be cleaned up from their vandalism.

  117. @Mr. Anon

    “The Producers” wasn’t bad.

    The “Love Power” number alone is worth the price of admission.

  118. Rosie says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Look I just don’t know who you are trying to fool with your rediculous contention that she, EW, or any other fork-tongued Democrat, is concerned with the welfare of the peasants.

    I don’t recall saying that. I don’t know her heart. I do know that she has been banging the drum about the embattled middle and working classes for many years. This isn’t some new thing for her.

    Quoting you : ” She rails against the growing concentration of of income and wealth in the hands of a tiny elite”

    You’re not quoting me there. You’re quoting the NYT.

    Yeah a “tiny elite” of which she , with her six-figure income and estimated 14 million in estimated assets, is a select member.

    Being rich doesn’t preclude being a sincere populist. Trump is richer than her many times over, isn’t he?

    I don’t understand why you’re reacting this way to my assessment of Warren. I don’t think you understand how recent, and conditional, is the White working class swing to the GOP. The reason we’re talking about Warren now is because many in the Democratic Party recognize that she can appeal to the White working class, which they cannot do without, at least not just yet.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Authenticjazzman
  119. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    In 1992, Democrats held an 18-point advantage in leaned partisan identification among those with no more than a high school degree (55% vs. 37%). This Democratic advantage persisted through the 1990s and early 2000s but has evaporated over the course of the last eight years.(emphasis mine)

    http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/

    I think what is going on here is that the Democrats realize they jumped the gun on explicit anti-White politics, and are now trying to walk it back so they can put the lid back on White identity politics and run out the clock on the White majority. Warren would have been a credible economic populist candidate. She wrote this book in 2004:

    https://www.amazon.com/Two-Income-Trap-Middle-Class-Parents-Going/dp/0465090907

    with a sequel in 2016:

    https://www.amazon.com/Two-Income-Trap-Middle-Class-Parents-Still/dp/0465097707

  120. @Rosie

    ” I don’t think you understand how recent , and conditional , is the white working class swing to the GOP”

    You are talking down to me, as if I am an uninformed cretin.

    Look lets get one thing straight right now : There is nothing that you understand which I am unable to understand, myself as a “Mensa” society qualifier, and having been tested with IQ results upward of 150 points.

    Secondly : I grew up in Detroit, and am more familiar with the conditions and inner-workings of the
    “Working-class” than you could ever imagine.

    Thirdly : I regard ALL Democrat politicos as lunatics, grifters, liars, and fork-tongued scoundrels, and EW is right up at the top as far as dishonesty and hypocrisy is concerned.

    AJM

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