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The New Rome; or, the United States of the World (1853) There is a presumed history of things that is taught to most, that even the less powerful from amongst the elites believe…and then there is another history of these events, that only a relative few and powerful know. It is important for those wishing to see not only the preservation of their own people, but the other various peoples of the world as well that make up humanity, to have an excellent grasp of the past so as to see clearly as to what to do in the present. Hence entries here such as this… The Revolutions of 1848 are suppressed across Europe and many of the revolutionary leaders and those that took part flee their countries. Thousands from Germany that took part in the 1848 revolution there are granted refuge in the United States, amongst them one by the name of Theodore Poesche (1824-1899), a student revolutionary from the University at Halle. Poesche, in cooperation with a person of German ancestry in the US by the name of Charles Goepp, would write a book in 1852 and entitle it The New Rome; or, the United States of the World, which is free and on-line at the linked title, and it would be published in 1853 (seven years before the election of Abraham Lincoln The book emphasizes five primary points which are as follows and in this order… 1) The separation of the United States and the British Empire is intended to be but ‘temporary’ so as to allow the order of things being established in the New World time to experience its ‘realization’...ie the United States needs time to gain strength. In the future the United States and the British empire will re-unite. (bottom of pg.87 and top of page 88) 2) At the time that the US and UK re-unite, thus forming ‘the Anglo-Saxon Empire’, the center of power of the British Empire will move from England to the United States, ‘its real center’, and the US will ‘take the lead’. (bottom of pg 87 and top of pg 88) 3) The US and UK (‘the Anglo-Saxon empire’), ‘having received its legitimate organization’, will co-jointly conquer and gain control of Germany, and lay hold an ‘unyielding grasp upon the countries of the Germanic confederation’. (bottom of pg 95 and bottom of pg105) 4) Immediately following the conquest of Germany by the US and UK, a struggle will ensue centered upon Europe (in time encompassing the entire globe) between specifically the United States and Russia. The United States will prevail in this struggle with Russia. (pgs 105, 107, & 109) 5) The United States will ultimately acquire ‘the empire of the world’ economically by way of Capitalism. (the entire book) Comments:2
Posted by Roger Gray on Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:19 | # Admittedly, I do sometimes wonder why Britain especially, even leaving out its empire interests, would have struggled might and main against Germany, its natural kin. I find it especially interesting that some in Germany, and the US, were, according to your account, self-consciously advocating a new Romanist ideal, considering that Britain, to an embarrassing degree, modelled itself on late antiquity. Couldn’t they have found a rapprochement? Instead, so far as I can tell, Britain exhausted herself defeating Germany. To what end? Most people are not aware, it seems, that Britain was the greater beneficiary of the Marshal Plan than Germany. Yet it is Germany that has triumphed. 3
Posted by Alex on Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:26 | #
Regarding ‘a new Romanist ideal’...leaving aside some of the more esoteric stuff, this person seems to have got what that is in part about in regards to the linked book topping this post in what he describes below from an article the writer entitled ‘Freemasonry and the Roman Spirit’. It would seem, as with many a past ruler and potnentate, that at some very high levels of these things there are those who see themselves as recreating the Roman Empire Study of the ideas of the leaders of these forces within Freemasonry reveals that their dream, intention and plan was to create out of Britain and America a New Rome, a new World Empire, a new uniformity of thought and lifestyle that would embrace the whole world. To this end, a new state, the United States of America, was established, the first “world state”...
He goes on…
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Posted by Alex on Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:48 | # Some quotes from the book… pg 59
and… pg 70-71
Nations, we have seen, are unions based upon community of speech; this the Americans renounced, in favor of a union based upon a unity of thought; and thus fell nationality, and arose the republic... ...It is the duty of the American party to combat all European traditions which are incompatible with Americanism; but, above all, that of nationality. To vindicate individualism against nationality, is the office of America.
we do not conquer, we liberate.. ...We go behind nationalities to find the people. This is the head and front of our offending; this is what will give to the American Revolution the empire of the world.
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Posted by NeoNietzsche on Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:21 | # 4) Immediately following the conquest of Germany by the US and UK, a struggle will ensue centered upon Europe (in time encompassing the entire globe) between specifically the United States and Russia. The United States will prevail in this struggle with Russia. So they hope. But there will be no winner in this “struggle”. There will be no USA and no Russia, in the aftermath. [No suitcase nuclear weapons foreseen in 1853.] But the geo-political foresight is remarkable. 6
Posted by Alex on Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:00 | # It should be noted that unlike in the 19th century when this book was published, today the center of world finance is no longer located in London, but is rather in New York City, and it is not British troops predominantly doing the fighting in Afghanistan and other parts of the Middle East, but US troops. From the bottom of page 87 and top of pg. 88 of The New Rome; or, the United States of the World... ‘The stupendous greatness of England is factitious, and will only become natural when that empire shall have found its real centre. That centre is in the United States…’
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Posted by Alex on Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:17 | # From an article published in the United States in 1958 in the very US establishment publication Time magazine. ’...the roads which once led to imperial Rome and London now converge on Washington.’
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Posted by Alex on Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:26 | # I agree NN that there would in reality ultimately be no ‘winner’ in such a struggle that this book describes… unless someone calls a future for the entirety of humanity being a boot stomping a human face forever as ‘winning’ as Orwell described things in his dystopia One has to bear in mind that there are powerful elements of elites of various peoples that are doing these things and they only would seem to care about acquiring wealth and power, and not right and wrong. 9
Posted by Lurker on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:33 | #
In that era Britain embarked on the building of the welfare state - public housing, NHS etc and supporting an unprecedented massive peacetime military. Not the only factors of course but… 10
Posted by Alex on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:32 | # ‘Having received its legitimate organization’ is a reference to the US and UK having re-unified. Recall ‘the special relationship’ between those two powers since about 1900, a relationship that is only just short of an outright political union, and that since that time the US and UK have done just about everything together, particularly in the area of wars. From the bottoms of pages 95 and 105 pg 95 ‘This [Germany] is the hearthstone of Europe, physically and morally…’
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Posted by Alex on Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:30 | # From pgs. 107, 109, 155, 156 regarding Russia. Bearing in mind that this was written in 1852 and published in 1853, on page 156 the author writes of US air power defeating Russia and its land armies. On the page before he speaks of the world being on ‘the eve of aerial navigation.’ pg 107 ‘Napoleon’s vision failed when he said that in fifty years Europe
pg 109 ‘Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on
pg.155-156 ‘It [air power] will give us the victory over Russian continentalism. American air-privateers will be down upon the Russian garrisons, to use our own expressive slang, ‘like a parcel of bricks’...
Compare the above excerpt from pg 155-156 of the 1853 book with something written about the modern Russian Alexander Dugin below. A person might begin to think that these things were being manipulated between the US and Russia. Dugin’s theories foresee an eternal world conflict between land and sea, and hence, Dugin believes, the U.S. and Russia…
Additional written material on Alexander Dugin. 12
Posted by Alex on Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:50 | # Interesting commentary from the book on pg. 18-19 about Winfield Scott. Despite being offered a million dollars by ‘private citizens’ to stay in Mexico with his army and ensure its annexation (which they no doubt call ‘love’), out of concern and love for his own people, he refused to subjugate the Mexican people, which those that promote the Multi-Cult would no doubt call ‘hate’. They offered me one million of dollars as a bonus, with a salary of 250,000 per annum, and five responsible individuals to become security in any bank in New York which I might name. It would be so arranged that I might get it in five days.
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Posted by Alex on Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:23 | # Roger Grey or Lurker, or, perhaps someone else with knowledge of this, I’d be very much interested in your elaborating on what you have said. I’d always heard it was a common expression amongst the English that they ‘should have lost the war’ as then ‘they would have gotten some of the aid’ that was seen to be being showered by the US upon Germany and Japan in the form of the Marshall Plan and such. Perhaps that was an exagerration of things? Thanks. 14
Posted by Alex on Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:28 | # It is one of those curiosities of history that, much like Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations, Edward Gibbon’s first volume of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire was also published in 1776. If you have the time to read any of Gibbons work on the very Multi-Cultural Rome it is certainly worth the effort If you look closely, it becomes readily apparent that ancient Rome, amongst certain propronents of the multi-cult, is very much a real turn on to them. And just like the ancient Romans, the multi-cultists too have their hordes of slaves…in the form of the cheap laborers, aka ‘immigrants’. ‘In hoc signo vincent!’ translates roughly from Latin as ‘In this sign you shall conquer!’ From pg 119... ‘The signs of the times are clear and unmistakable, and
The photograph below is that of General MacArthur accepting the surrender of the Japanese Empire in September, 1945. The flag in the background is Admiral Perry’s flagship US flag which he had taken with him on his 1853 naval expedition to open up Japan to US trade. Perry’s flag was brought from the United States and installed on the USS Missouri specifically for the symbolic purpose of being present at the Japanese surrender ceremony. From pgs 76-77
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Posted by Alex on Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:33 | # On the Jewish people… All the world are now Jews; everybody makes money; and Rothschild is the ‘sixth great power’... Liberty and commerce, the essence of their [the Jewish peoples’] character, are also the essence of Americanism…But liberty and commerce, which are the characterisitcs of Judaism and of Americanism, are also those of annexation: every Jew will hasten to claim the protection of the American flag for his operations over the world, and Rothschild will not shut his eyes to the only prospect of enabling the European states to liquidate the debts they owe him.
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Posted by Alex on Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:53 | # More on individualism in the United States on pgs 37-38... ’...the absolute and indefea-
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Posted by Alex on Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:19 | # About the US merchant marine fleet on pgs 84-85. Below is a press release from May 20, 1945… ‘The Americans, proceed-
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Posted by Alex on Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:09 | # On pg 98 regarding the importation of Chinese cheap laborers to the United States. In the 19th century the claim was made that the sea coast of the US simply could not be controlled as to mass immigration for cheap labor. As they are doing now about the borders of variosu countries, they were lying… ’...the day will not be far distant when America will num- ‘From these relations we may calculate upon an emigration of American business
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Posted by Alex on Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:50 | # More on ‘cheap labor’ , from India, in addition to what they hoped to be acquiring from China on pg 95...
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Posted by Alex on Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:08 | # Regarding the history of corporations in North America on pg127... ‘All the colonies were government
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Posted by Alex on Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:44 | #
It would seem many of the events that we see taking place today and appear ever so spontaneous had been planned long ago. I very much recommend reading the book that forms the title of this thread and which can be found free and on-line here.
I’ll soon enough be posting some quotes from this book.