I remember that Sabbatai Zevi was Sephardic. Great article from you.

Nah, we aren’t, I am happy to be so. Judaism is a living death, constrained by custom to hate.

The title of the article is wrong, it has some EXTRA LETTERS, (Non) – it must be –
Are Jews Human? . .

You are describing Pagan /Deception Christianity, as Exodus 20:4 clearly indicates.

People often look at so-called ‘idol’ worshipers and think people are worshiping ‘idols’. They are not. They are worshiping ‘statues’ of gods. Every church has a an ‘idol’ of jesus christ, does it mean they are worshiping ‘idols’? Or are they are praying to the statue of jesus christ?

One truth is already crystal clear for us… that God is One. No deceit about 3..n being 1.

So is the Koran uncreated and co-eternal with God? Yes or no?

There is such a thing as genetic Jewishness but it’s more complicated than genetic Europeanness and the term Jewish covers a lot of people who are not genetically Jewish. Whereas, there are very few people calling themselves European who aren’t genetically evidently so, even if they also have one or two Jewish ancestors. I think that’s true from what I’ve read but putting it together into a neat scientific argument is beyond me. There is a Cohenim marker, and there are haplogroups and certain disease markers.

Since there is no such thing as genetic “jewishness” (or anything else for that matter)

The Jews conceal themselves in a multi-name shell game called “hid the Jew.”

The truth is that the 15,000,000 strong Jew Matrix works as one entity against the Gentiles.

End of story.

Peace — Art

p.s. Their common shared pathos is “by deception we make war.”

That’s a good question, what are the measuring?

Since there is no such thing as genetic “jewishness” (or anything else for that matter)

If God exists then it is an Atheist. If you claim to be part of God then you are an Atheist by DEFAULT.
Israel did 911 and all world wars and they murdered JFK. Jews are Neanderthals.

helena,

Most leaders have a high-IQ or are a biological elite.

The point that I tried to make – but didn’t – is that high-IQ people within a group (tribe, religion) use “exclusivity” to bind the group together. They say “you guys are “distinct” – you are “exceptional” – you are “uncommon” – support me – give me your political life force – and together, you and me will be great.”

When this high-IQ asks you to attack someone else – is the time to dump them as a leader.

We are all subject to these situations – group defense is moral – good people being egged on to attack other good people of another group – is immoral.

Peace — Art

I find it odd that such pronouncements by several Jewish kooks should be taken as somehow definitive or all or most Jews. Jim Jones claimed to be a Christian. Are his writings to be taken as defining Christian belief?

The comparison is flawed.

Jim Jones led a very tiny group of very deluded people for a very short time to a very mortal end.

Jewish leaders have led entire nations to destroy other nations in some of the most horrific forms of killing and devastation that the world has experienced.

GRANTED, however, that Christian leaders with far more power and influence that Jim Jones have also led entire nations to destroy other nations, in horrific ways.

Jim Jones is dead. A pithy lesson has been learned from that tragedy: Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

On the other hand, Jews as well as Christians — both adherents of the Abrahamic imago — convinced that they alone possess the Truth, continue to rampage about the world, killing those who resist that imposed Truth.

The true word for the Khazars in what is known as Israel today is “Jew-ish” meaning “like Jews” not true Jews.

Unless I’m totally mistaken about the geography, Khazaria is in the ancient Scythian plateau, i.e. the Caucasus region.

Aryans — progenitors of ancient Persians — emerged from the Scythian plateau;

Ashkenazi Jews are said not to be Semites, or descendants of Abram of Ur, at all, but rather members of the Khazar tribe that opportunistically converted to Judaism.

“Caucasian” used to be the default designation for people (in USA) who were not “Negro” or other non-Caucasian race.

Linguistically,

“It is highly probable that the earliest speakers of [Indo-European] language originally lived around Ukraine and neighbouring regions in the Caucasus and Southern Russia, then spread to most of the rest of Europe and later down into India.” http://www.ancient.eu/Indo-European_Languages/

The Indo-European belt extended from the Caucasus to Iran and India; to Greece thence Italy, to France, Germany and Russia, and west to Ireland. http://www.ancient.eu/Indo-European_Languages/ –

Thus, Aryans/Persians/Iranians; Ashkenazi; most Europeans — Germans, Italians, French, Russian, as well as the Irish, share a geographic and linguistic region of origin.

What is different about these peoples is their mythological development/evolution:

–> as they migrated from the Scythian steppe, Aryans/Iranians developed an ethical system, organized by Zoroaster,

“Like all nomadic peoples lacking police and law courts, a code of honour was central to the Iranian tribes, and their religious beliefs differed from those of farming people. Whereas the farmers of Egypt and Mesopotamia had converted nature gods into city guardians, the Iranians had begun distilling them into a few universal principles. Zoroaster, who lived some time around 1000 BCE, drove this process. For him, the only god was the creator, Ahura Mazda, bringer of asha – light, order, truth; the law or logic by which the world was structured. Even those who were not practising Zoroastrians grew up shaped by a culture that valued simple ethical ideas such as telling the truth. ” http://www.ancient.eu/Achaemenid_Empire/

This commitment to telling the truth was uppermost among Aryans, according to Karen Armstrong:

“The Aryans took the spoken word very seriously. Like all other phenomenon, speech was a god. . . A vow, once uttered, was eternally binding, and a lie was absolutely evil because it perverted the holy power inherent in the spoken word. The Aryans would never lose this passion for absolute truthfulness. ”

–> (allegedly) Khazar Jews adopted the supremacist myths of the Abrahamic tribe, derivative of Mesopotamian- and Egyptian-origin myths. ( )

–> Abram’s (Abraham) story begins with smashing of the idols which others — including his own father and mother — revered. The very origin and essence of the Abrahamic tradition is the claim to possess The Truth, in the light of which all other beliefs were “in error” and must be converted or destroyed. Maimonides explains it this way:

“Abraham did not have a mentor, but was immersed amongst the stupid idolaters of Ur Casdim, where everyone, including his mother and father, served idols, as did he. In his heart, however, he continued to contemplate, until he realized the way of truth and understood the ways of righteousness from nature, and knew that there is a God who directs the spheres, created the world, and besides whom there is none other.

He also knew that the whole world was erring, and knew that what caused the mistake was that they [had] worshiped the stars and figures for so long that the truth had vanished.

Abraham was forty years old when he recognized his Creator. Once he achieved this, he began to reason with the inhabitants of Ur Casdim and to argue with them, saying that by serving idols they were not following the way of truth. He broke their images, and began to proclaim that it is not fitting to serve anyone other than God, and to Him it is fitting to bow down and to offer drink sacrifices and sacrifices to, so that all creation will recognize Him.

Abraham also proclaimed that it was fitting to break and destroy all the figures, so that nobody will err on account of them, like those who imagined that there is no God except for their idols did. Since people were listening to him, the king, Nimrod, sought to kill him, but a miracle was performed for Abraham, and he went to Haran, where he got up and proclaimed to the whole world that there is just one God in the world, whom it is fitting to worship. He went and gathered people together from cities and kingdoms, until he reached the land of Canaan, where he continued his proclamations, as it is written, “…and called there on the name of the Lord, the everlasting God”. http://learn.conservativeyeshiva.org/introduction-to-rabbinic-midrash-1-lesson-1-avraham-and-the-idol-shop/ Maimonides Mishnah Torah Laws of Idolatry 1:3

American Exceptionalism carries on the Abrahamic tradition: the determination that IT possesses the Truth; that all others are “in error,” and must be punished, their “behaviour” or their “regimes” changed such that they conform to that Truth, or suffer destruction of their lives, their shrines (idols) and their culture.

The Zoroastrian/Aryan/Iranian tradition, on the other hand, is equally committed to the principle of conforming personal (and community) conduct to respect for Truth in the spoken word since god is in the word — echoed in Christian gospel of John, “In the beginning was the Word . . .” and expanded in the Zoroastrian trinity that can be found carved in doorways and furnishings throughout Iran: “Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds.”

Your analysis may be right but I’m not sure you’re applying it to the right group.
Ethnicists might talk about IQ but what they want is for people to live in their own ethnic groups – for the high IQ to take care of the low IQ – a pre-marxist idea of social justice, as practiced by religions. If you look at HBD writers on the other hand, they tend not to be ethnicists. Yes, they use IQ group statistics to make points about policy but overall they are keen to promote multi-ethnic high-IQ people as a class apart (super high IQ). So I think to talk about a high-IQ rallying cry conflates the different reasons for being interested in IQ research.

Talha,

The High-IQ rallying cry of exclusivity is always a prelude to some trouble making. It is how High-IQ people get otherwise good folks to do something wrong to other good folks. It is how the High-IQ bring power to themselves. They pump us up with the false grandeur that we are better then others.

We each possess a political life force. We must NEVER give it over to others. We must shelter our political life force against manipulation. The elite need our life force. When in any way, the High-IQ demand that we attack others – we must say NO.

(There is a difference between defending and attacking – we must not be sucked into attacking.)

Peace — Art

p.s. The US DOD is the Department of Defense – Not the US Department of Offense.

Live with hope, life is sacred, love your neighbor, seek the truth, forgive, and extend grace – are those ideals. Those ideals have pushed the West to where it is.

Half of those are worse than useless on a battlefield or during an invasion. Attilathehen is way too aggressive but your love is clearly not conquering the World.

High-IQ thugs who pump themselves up with notions of biological superiority, are still with us. Exclusivity, as a powerful appeal to our darker nature – is still with us.

But clearly, they are being rejected more and more by the people of this Earth.

“Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth”. – from the Sermon on the Mount.

It is evolving to fruition. Work for it!

Peace — Art

MLK did not win his battles because love conquered hate, but because the superior firepower of the federal government crushed resistance.

Jim Crow was a very ugly thing – a great sore on America’s psyche – it had to go. Jim Crow was defeated because the American people said “enough.” The US government had the backing of the power of the people.

MLK voiced the obvious – he appealed to our better nature – our better nature won.

We can have a better peaceful world – we must voice the possibility of that. Only when we speak up for peace – can we achieve it.

Peace — Art

How far would MLK’s campaign of non-violence have gotten against Julius Caesar or Genghis Khan? Or against a slaveowner in 1850 Georgia?

It’s uplifting to talk about love defeating hate, but it only works against certain types of people, who were by definition not all that bad to begin with.

MLK did not win his battles because love conquered hate, but because the superior firepower of the federal government crushed resistance.

The endonym of almost every tribe on earth translates as “People” or “The People,” implying that outsiders are NOT People. This is the human norm. That many of us have gotten past that is because of the ideals expressed in the Jewish and Christian scriptures, in which we are all brothers because we are all equally children of God.

I find it odd that such pronouncements by several Jewish kooks should be taken as somehow definitive or all or most Jews. Jim Jones claimed to be a Christian. Are his writings to be taken as defining Christian belief?

Live with hope, life is sacred, love your neighbor, seek the truth, forgive, and extend grace – are those ideals. Those ideals have pushed the West to where it is.

Half of those are worse than useless on a battlefield or during an invasion. Attilathehen is way too aggressive but your love is clearly not conquering the World.

Hey NtD,

possess a high IQ

World War 2 is a testament to and case study in the complete and utter dysfunction that can grip the most High IQ societies. The meat grinder was basically most of Europe and the Far East. Though they did bring their fights onto other people’s territory like North Africa, Burma, etc.

“Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.” Proverbs 16:18

Peace.

Hey Bliss,

The Arab pagans tolerated Mohammad’s rantings against their religion for many years.

No – they were pretty thoroughly persecuted – especially if they were slaves. They had to leave finally after it became too much to bear. Some had even fled to Abyssinia in the early years.

He even had a female poet assasinated for writing poems criticizing his new religion.

Oh you mean the Asma Bint Marwan story that none of the scholars take seriously and hadith scholars on the level of Imams Bukhari (ra), Nisaa’i (ra) and Daraqutni (ra) said is a fabricated story from a worthless chain of narrators? Didn’t expect that one…again.

There were still many muslims left in Mecca, and they were not molested

No – there were only a handful that couldn’t get out – since hijrah was obligatory at that stage. And they were quite molested.

campaign of war against the caravans which were the livelihood of meccans.

Fixed it for you again. The Meccans knew what they were getting into. The book ‘Armies of Muslim Conquest’ by Prof. David Nicolle has the very first sentence under the chapter called “The Prophet’s First Warriors” is:
“Arabian warfare was based on different principles from that of their larger neighbors, razzia raiding being the most common tactic.”

If they were too stupid to understand that the Muslims would strike back using normative Arab warfare tactics (as opposed to those of the Visigoths)…well, sucks for them – free camels!!!

The Pagan Arabs would blow a fuse if they could read what kind of hippy metrosexuals you are making them out to be. I’ll give them credit, they certainly didn’t whine about the situation (as their latter-day apologists like to do on their behalf) – they played hard to win and knew what the stakes were. And when they lost their capital city (Mecca) and were granted amnesty, they became Muslims and helped preserve the very tradition you are now criticizing.

Peace.

As far as I know, de Leon didn’t live under Muslim rule. He was born in Leon, and died in Avila; both became Christian 200 years before his birth. He could be inspired by Sufism via Christian gnostics.

Thanks for correcting me. I was a bit lazy in my research.

Gnosticism was considered a heresy by the Catholic Church. The Cathar Crusade wiped out Gnosticism in Christendom in the early 13th century shortly before Moses de Leon was born (which was the same year Ibn Arabi died).

The point remains: Kabbalah was not created ex nihilo. Neither was Sufism. Nor was Gnosticism. They are all attempts to reconcile spirituality with middle-eastern religions.

Besides Ibn-Arabi, Muslim Spain also gave birth to Ibn Rushd who tried to reconcile Aristotelian Philosophy with Islam. Both Maimonides and Aquinas were inspired by Ibn Rushd aka Averroes to try the same with their religions, Judaism and Catholicism respectively.

These attempts to reconcile the Bible and the Koran with philosophy or spirituality were futile, being false…

I’ve fixed the small error you made in your comment.

‘Every page of social human history is blood socked with the deeds of self-attested “High IQ” minded people like you.’

It claims to possess a high IQ but so far it has insisted on withholding all evidence of such.

Nope – they persecuted and kicked out the Muslims.

Nope, liar. The Arab pagans tolerated Mohammad’s rantings against their religion for many years. In stark contrast Mohammad practiced zero tolerance as soon as he became a warlord in Medina. He even had a female poet assasinated for writing poems criticizing his new religion.

Many Meccan muslims migrated to Medina with Mohammad. But not all. There were still many muslims left in Mecca, and they were not molested even during Mohammad’s campaign of robbery, murder and enslavement against the caravans which were the livelihood of meccans.

Here is a little MLK – YOU need this.

“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction. . . . The chain reaction of evil–hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars–must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.” Martin Luther King

Peace — Art

If you live in the West, it’s time for you to move to Africa or Asia.

another anonymous reporting.

God loves all His children. They squabble, as children will. Pray extra long today for guidance.

Hey Bliss,

Mohammad started out as a judeophile imitator in Mecca

Yeah – because Late-Antiquity Mecca was the hub of virtue-signalling.

He migrated to Medina because it was the most Jewish town in Arabia.

No – because all the other towns refused to host him and only the Banu Aws and Banu Khazraj would.

murderous robbing expeditions against the Meccan caravans

Nope – they persecuted and kicked out the Muslims. The Muslims hit them back once they had permission – hard. Don’t start a fight you don’t intend to finish. And once you’ve kicked people out, don’t do something stupid like send a threatening follow-up letter – tends to piss people off:
“The infidels of the Quraysh wrote (a letter) to Ibn Ubayy and to those who worshipped idols from al-Aws and al-Khazraj, while the Apostle of God was at that time at Medina before the Battle of BadrB. (They wrote): You gave protection to our companion. We swear by God, you should fight or expel him, Or we shall come to you in full force, until we kill your fighters and appropriate your women…” -
reported in Abu Dawud

By all means though – protest in the UN for Pagan Arab reparations – 40 acres and a camel!

ordered Mohammad and his companions to prostrate towards the Kaabah

Fixed it for you.

he started prostrating towards the Kaabah in Mecca

That’s better.

Does that not make Mohammad and his companions polytheist idol worshippers?

No – the Kaaba was always originally a monotheistic house of worship, and then pagans screwed it up, and then it was restored.

Does the Koran not condemn such idolaters to eternal torture in hell

Yeah it does – but they weren’t worshiping idols.

talk about cruel and unjust

Take it up with Him when you see Him – He might take your arguments into consideration.

all-knowing, merciful and compassionate

He is – if you’re still alive to read this after your rant, He’s being fairly lenient. Oh – but you want to insult Him, His Messenger (pbuh) and His religion and still be pampered in the afterlife. Sorry – we don’t worship the All-Encompassing-Chump-of-tha-Feelz.

shameless dishonesty…Incredibly stupid…you brainwashed fools

You mad bro?

Peace.

Putting graffiti on or inside a sacred location does not reduce its status.

Since it is highly unlikely that you don’t know the meaning of the word graffiti the above is just another example of your willful, shameless dishonesty. Incredibly stupid of you to imply that the pagan Arabs were worshipping graffiti illegally painted on the Kaaba (as if they would even have allowed it) instead of the religious idols and images of numerous gods and goddesses that it contained.

Since idol worship is such an anathema in Islam how do you justify the Koranic revelation that ordered Mohammad and his companions to prostrate towards the pagan idols in the Kaaba?

Oh my — you love Jew Matrix banking and hate MLK – you write off 6,000,000,000 non-white people – you say they are too stupid to live in peace.

One must ask – what good are you? Why would society want your low-minded hateful backwards cultural “High IQ” outlook in leadership?

You say the high IQ people have no responsibilities to others. You claim to be Christian. Are these words not part of the Christian pathos? “To whom much is given, much will be required.”

The facts are that a good portion of the 7,000,000,000 humans on this Earth live in relative peace with their neighbors in local functioning communities. It is politically angry race thugs such as yourself who bring chaos to humanity. It is you who incite people to kill others they do not even know. Every page of social human history is blood socked with the deeds of “High IQ” minded people like you.

One does not have to be a rocket scientist to be at peace with one’s fellow humans. Christian philosophy does not have a corner on the market off “goodness.”

What makes Christian philosophy so successful – is that it’s set of ideals act as an engine of progress – it is not only “good” – it is never satisfied with the current status quo. Live with hope, life is sacred, love your neighbor, seek the truth, forgive, and extend grace – are those ideals. Those ideals have pushed the West to where it is.

Now people like you (some who falsely wrap yourselves in Jesus) are busy trashing Christian idealism.

Peace — Art

Your argument would have more coherence if it wasn’t for the fact that even in Mecca at the beginning, when there were no Jews to worry about, the qiblah was Jerusalem.

You clearly have a problem thinking rationally. Mohammad started out as a judeophile imitator in Mecca, prostrating towards Jerusalem not the pagan Kaaba, so what “incoherence” are you talking about? He migrated to Medina because it was the most Jewish town in Arabia. It was only after the Jews of Medina refused to accept him as a prophet and refused to join him in his murderous robbing expeditions against the Meccan caravans that he started prostrating towards the pagan temple in Mecca, which contained idols and images of a pantheon of gods and goddesses. Does that not make Mohammad and his companions polytheist idol worshippers? Does the Koran not condemn such idolaters to eternal torture in hell (talk about cruel and unjust)? That is an example of the incoherences and inconsistencies that you brainwashed fools imagine are the wisdom and morality of the “all-knowing, merciful and compassionate” God.

Days ago I read the question on a right-wing blog if “Blacks are humans”.

Isn’t it at least a bit amusing how all humans are fundamentally the same, subject to the same biases and illusions (dictated by desire for power, vanity, …), while one of these illusions is that their single group is unlike all others, never does wrong, and always is done wrong?

What a short-sighted species, humans.

Though note my follow up. It seems the neo-pagans might be even more Leftist than most. Apparently they’ve got room for everybody from Baal to Ananasi the Spider. So if neo-paganism takes off we might be seeing less skin-heads wearing “Sons of Odin” t-shirts and more public orgies (once the fertility phallus statue comes out – all hell [pardon the pun] breaks loose).

Also – man this is a great resource for when it’s 2 am and you just have to know which pantheon Belobog belongs to:

http://www.godchecker.com/

Paganism; BYOG.

Peace.

community-deification

Yes, actually that is what I was getting at; god-of-the-tribe.

By the way, do you often discuss UR articles/threads with friends and colleagues?

Once in a while, yes – though not colleagues. I’d like to keep my job!

And is UR a “thing”, as they say, with a fair section of the Muslim community?

Not that I know of, but there is certainly a very healthy push back developing in the Muslim community against the Left-liberalization of Muslim culture. Almost every traditional Muslim I speak to understands how dangerous the alliance with the Left can be. This is good news to someone like me. Getting kicked out of the West, doesn’t bother me a bit – wouldn’t be the first time. Our future generations remaining Muslims, firm on their faith, while being relegated to second class status in the West, doesn’t either. Losing future generations to materialist, hedonist, consumerist ideology while being accepted with open arms scares the hell out of me:
“By Allah, it is not poverty I fear for you, but rather I fear you will be given the wealth of the world just as it was given to those before you. You will compete for it just as they competed for it and it will destroy you just as it destroyed them.” – reported in Bukhari & Muslim

I speak to a lot of traditional Muslims about my conversations on UNZ. Many of them are quite sympathetic to the Alt-Right grievances actually. And even if they disagree, they will acknowledge the soundness of certain positions Alt-Right takes because we also reserve the right to take certain positions in Muslim lands that we don’t compromise on – so it’s just fair to acknowledge that right for others. What aspect that I notice in the Alt-Right that sucks is that they (even most Christians) have completely given in to define goals, metrics, and values completely based on a materialist framework – which is what I feel got them here in the first place.

since the pagan gods are after all creatures their dicta are not a reasonable foundation for morality

Lord, I wish more people would understand this and that it applies to many “gods”.

Peace.

Thanks for a very interesting comment, better than most of yours which is saying a lot.

I think you have some points wrong on the psychology of paganism ancient and modern, but I won’t go into them here; I probably comment more than I should on here already but even so I don’t write half the things that occur to me as I read the articles or comments. By the way, do you often discuss UR articles/threads with friends and colleagues? And is UR a “thing”, as they say, with a fair section of the Muslim community? I can vouch it isn’t among Catholics, though of course in the US this is a far larger pool and less interested in one common topic on here.

Anyway, I wanted to say you were right on the money about pride. Not necessarily about self-deification with the ancients at least, but certainly community-deification, connected with ancestor-worship among other things. But despite the fact that pagan societies (as a mark of sanity) condemn hubris, when pagans begin to philosophize this particular dictum seems to lack rational basis, as since the pagan gods are after all creatures their dicta are not a reasonable foundation for morality, and this hole tends to get filled with pride, especially by the Stoics and their successors, who include, oddly enough, many influenced by the Enlightenment.

…anger..best of me…this makes me giggle. It reminds of when men say women look sexy when they’re angry. I am not angry. Nor did I suffer a “childhood trauma..troubled” as annamaria asked. I deal with facts. I’m going to throw alot of stuff out there for you to think about.

You say “The Jew monetary system of interest and debt has taken over Western society.” This is because Westerners have allowed this to happen. There is nothing wrong with charging interest for a loan. There is an RCC convert, Ann Barnhardt who has produced several interesting youtubes about usury and Islam. Just a caveat – she is a fantatical RCCer who will never deal with the IQ/race issues. But I will attach a youtube about usury. She says that whenever people talk about non-interest loans (Marxists, socialists, Muslims) they are really just trying to blame the Jewish bankers for their problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCs1FNCuzF4&feature=youtu.be&t=4m43s
She also has very good youtubes about the banking crisis of 2007.

Next, you really believe in “universal brotherhood.” This is an evil, oxymoron. Of course all peoples of the world should get along. Christianity is the best religion for all people. But, again, as I listed countries that are Christian/not Christian, some non-Christian countries were better, i.e., Japan. Also, different peoples have their own countries. If they are not Western or cannot assimilate to the West, i.e., blacks/Asians, they do not belong in the West. They have their own countries.

We have to define “smart people.” Anyone with an IQ of 90+, is good for a country. Of course, the West will take care of its own people who are lower in terms of IQ by providing safe, clean countries for them to live in. But again, these are Caucasians, Europeans. The West has no responsibility for blacks/Asians of any IQ level.

You say I mention diverse peoples. Yes, but I also say they are not compatible with the West. You strike me as someone who believes in MLK, Jr.’s nightmarish “I have dream” speech.

You keep talking about “philosophical Christianity.” You sound like (((Stefan Molyneux))) – yes, his mother was a German Jewess who fled Hitler’s Germany as a child. He believes philosophy is the answer to world problems. In order to “philosophize” you need a people capable of such thinking. Only the West has produced such thinkers. The most important people in the West are Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Jesus, St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas. Blacks/Asians have limited analytical/critical thinking skills.

Also, it seems like we would have to reinvent the wheel every generation. Think about this. “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.” I can say that now I can see about 5000 years of history in a day. Construction of the Egyptian pyramids started around 2700 B.C. When Jesus was born the pyramids were ancient. There is a greater time distance between the pyramids and the birth of Jesus , than that of Jesus to the present. I read this on some website recently and this made me realize that I can do a quick overview of world history by looking at a map of world, the different countries, races and IQs and see where everyone is today. I can then make decisions as to who/what is best. And I know I am one person with only so much time and money on this planet. That is why I deal with the ultimate, objective truth: IQ. There is not enough time or money to help anyone who is not a part of my culture. The best these other people can do is realize that the West is best. And if they have enough IQ/common sense, they will try to order their nations around the best of the West.

This came as a surprise to me…

http://www.globalresearch.ca/idf-chief-says-israel-is-becoming-like-nazi-germany-refuses-to-back-down/5600782

Good points. I am presently studying the Indian civilization and culture. But again, big picture, a great people invaded, mixed with other races (which will produce several shades of skin color) and the worst outcome was IQ loss. What caused the IQ loss? This is what is most important to find out. And one good starting point is skin color. Almost all (some exceptions) dark-skinned peoples (Asians/blacks) have low IQs. We know this is what happened to the ancient Egyptians – IQ loss from mixing with blacks.

Sam has not answered me. He is communicating with Talha. That’s a historical pattern. Your comment, no. 202 was very good. Art has responded and I will respond to him.

https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Christ-Recovering-Lost-Light/dp/0802714498

”The few Indian Brahmins left are those who resisted miscegenation with Asians. Ancient Indian was invaded by Aryans who mixed with the native Asian/aborigine population. ”

One good way to continue ensuring your credibility and standing is to not talk about stuff you dont know fully about. First they are many holes in the ‘aryan-invasion’ theory itself. It is not fully credible. Second there are many backward caste people who are fair skinned than many brahmins. There are dark-skinned brahmins also and fair skinned lower caste people also. Third before the so-called ‘aryans’ allegedly went into india there existed a civilisation in india called the indus-valley civilisation which was just as sophisticated as egypt and sumer which too also existed much before the so-called fair skinned aryans allegedly went into those places.

Well, if this is accurate to any degree:
“The concept of immanence also prescribes a model of behavior for interaction with other human beings, expressed in the Neo-Pagan mantra, ‘Thou art God’ and ‘Thou art Goddess’. Neo-Pagans honor the diversity of life, and eschew sexism, racism, homophobia, and other forms of intolerance.”

https://neo-paganism.com/practices-of-neo-pagans/neo-pagan-ethics-2/

Then it seems neo-paganism is partially populated by ethnic nationalists and more so by counter-culture hippie-types that are more likely to welcome the darkies (and their gods – the more the merrier!). And no need for Zeus and Odin to slug it out – instead, we have the ultimate bromance!

“Jews”/Muslims — both sides of the same worthless coin.

Hey Sam,

The cognitive dissonance in the positions of certain people are enough to make my head spin. No problem though, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

resort to calling themselves Pagans

I was conversing with another Muslim brother who reads UNZ about it. The rise of this phenomena in Europe is fairly deplorable as far as I’m concerned. The reason being that it is not a very sincere religion, it is opportunistic and cynical at its core. Sure, the pagans of the past actually believed sincerely in their anthropomorphic deities and for that I give them credit. They sacrificed their possessions, held festivals in their honor, made monuments to them, they would even sacrifice people, etc. They were “real” to those people in their daily experience. Which brings about an issue as a famous Greek observed:

“The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black,
While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.
Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw,
And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods
Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape
Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own.” – Xeophanes

A very “practical” religion, that. The gods conveniently look like oneself – it is the deification of the self-image. I suppose Zeus and Odin could settle it out in a steel cage match. Mithra – as a neutral observer – could be referee or manage one or the other champion to figure out who represents Team Europe. How is it settled? Twitter war? Thumb-wrestling? The Celtic gods can’t play in the majors yet. The poor Irish have never had a fair shake:

https://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Routledge-Classics/dp/0415963095

Details aside, the Europeans who take on this neo-paganism – do they actually believe that there is an ontological reality to Thor and Odin? My community just collected a couple of million dollars to start up a mosque/khanqah. We sacrificed hundreds of dollars of our own wealth and much of our time to build a foundation for worship for us and future generations because this is real for us. Will we see them collecting to raise up pagan monuments that rival the Gothic cathedrals? Is this real for them? Or is it just fun to wear leather jackets with “Hammers of Thor” emblazoned on them and go beat up a 5% minority population? I guess that’s more manly than wearing jackets with Barney the Dinosaur and his magic sandwich (though they have the same ontological reality). Medieval LARP time! And then what happens after darkie is gone?

Does Odin make any demands of them, or is he at their beck and call when they need him to help liquidate the darkies – and then…back to the “friend zone” for a few centuries? A god that serves you – how convenient! Do they cry to him at night with their problems? Will they name their sons “Abdul-Odin”?

Reminds me of the story related by the second caliph, Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra), about his old-school pagan-Arab days. Some of his friends heard him laughing and asked why, so he related something he was remembering from the past:
“I remember that in the days of Jahiliyyah, I used to have this idol made of dates. One day, I became so hungry that I ate it.”

LOL – I guess one can’t say the Arab gods didn’t provide sustenance to their petitioners.

My advice to the Muslims in Europe would be – if Europe does indeed become the bastion of neo-paganism, then they should leave voluntarily and fast. I do not know what God would do to a people that would revert to an insincere paganism after He granted them the gift of monotheism – it’s His world after all. But I wouldn’t take my chances being anywhere remotely close to where they are standing.

Peace.

I would highly suggest the works of Michael Hoffman at this point.

This is a typical dodge.

Why should the world believe Jews when they will not admit what they say about non-Jews behind the closed doors?

flit –> flits

We do not hesitate to remind people of their forefathers’ faults – Germans, Russians, Brits, even Cook Islanders (they ate Cook), but Jews claim on being unique victim among the rogues is not good for their mental health.

1. To whom do you refer when you write “We”?
2. It’s utter nonsense to say Jews claim unique victimhood. I claim none, as do not any of my acquaintances or friends.
3. Speaking of mental health, it’s amusing to be lectured by one so unmoored from their religious and moral roots as flit from one religion to the next in search of solace and meaning manifest in muddle-headed virtue signalling.

From the Catechism of the Council of Trent, Chapter, from article IV on Christ’s passion: “ Gentiles and Jews were the advisors, the authors, the ministers of his Passion….”

Before that it says all who habitually sin crucify Christ. Christians who know Him are more responsible than Jews at that time who were mistaken about him.

“The truth” is cultural knowledge – NOT genetics.

They move together in harmony or with friction. Religions correspond closely to ethnic groups.
Where religions are overlayed onto previous belief systems, the older beliefs invariably show through.
Humans are a longitudinal proposition as well as a lattitudinal proposition.

Columnist and commentator ask wrong questions. Need to ask why Jews believe non-Jews are less than Jews. Chosen versus non-Chosen.
The Chosen believe in their destiny. Human commentary is irrelevant to the divine message.
Non-Jew survival requires acceptance of that position.
Failure to accept leads to Jewish programs to immunize non-Jewish role in the world.
Do not expect different results now when the same results have been happening for 2,000 years.

attilathehen,

Two interesting and revealing comments to the Jew Matrix man and myself. You are an intelligent person – but somehow, anger has the best of you.

I agree that most practical knowledge has been fostered by the Christian West. I agree that the Israel loving, John Hagee southern Christian is a real problem. I agree that RCC exclusivity is wrong.

I think you are 100% wrong about the Jew Matrix menace. Jews champion dishonesty and social chaos. The Jew monetary system of interest and debt has taken over Western society.

I do not agree that only the smartest of people are of value – good peaceful honest people can be found anywhere on the intelligence spectrum. Building a just forward-looking society is what Christianity does best. It does it because of its idealistic philosophy for living – not its exclusive connection to the god of the universe. Anyone can be a philosophical Christian. All races can be good Christians together.

Again, I say that philosophical knowledge trump genetics. Archimedes “law of the lever” is used by most all societies. Knowledge is universal – not tied to genetics. Some philosophies are better than others at producing better tomorrows. Actually, many of your comments are about diverse groups with different philosophies – not about different genetics.

You quote Jesus – “You will know the truth and the truth will set you free.”

“The truth” is cultural knowledge – NOT genetics.

Peace — Art

I just don’t see how any objective observer can conclude that muslims have a better claim to the site of the Jewish temple than the jews.

As a self-professed “objective observer,” you might like to know that any Jewish claim to the Temple Mount is as solid as a house of cards in a Category 5 hurricane:

https://www.washingtonreport.me/2011-august/misunderstandings-about-jerusalem-s-temple-mount.html

In biblical times the Haram was not a sacred place. Instead it was the place that Orthodox Jews considered defiled and the most despised place in the world. Within these walls were found no remnants of any of the earlier temples but rather an image of Mars, the Roman god of war. The 1st century Jewish Roman historian Titus Flavius Josephus said the Romans always kept a whole legion of soldiers (5,000-6,000) there, and that there were stones in its walls that were 30 feet long, 15 feet thick, and 71/2 feet high. While excavating the area, Mazar found these very stones there in the Haram—not in the temple.

Enjoy.

People like to think they’re special, and that their group and nation is special. This isn’t really news.

1. In zionism, such a disposition bears the imprimatur of religious truth.
2. Zionists control American government.

Not news, but these distinctions provide a weight to Mr. Shamir’s exposition that dwarfs your blithe dismissal thereof.

Art, I am a cradle RCCer. My family as been RCC for hundreds of years. But I grew up with Protestants. The old line churches, Anglo-Catholic, Presbyterian, Episcopalian were not Ziochurches. It is the Southern Baptists who came up with this nonsense. But fortunately the SBC will be ending. Russell Moore, the president, approved a resolution condemning the alt-right. It was proposed by a black preacher.

You have to distinguish between biology and beliefs. Christianity, Islam, are beliefs. Today’s “Jews” are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange who are a side note.

I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. Biology is now in direct conflict with beliefs. I am still a Christian because as a Western woman it is the best belief system for me. I have never advocated killing others. I just state logically that “universal brotherhood” and “universal church” are the 2 most evil oxymoronic beliefs that are destroying the West.

The RCC today is a homosexual, Freemasonic, multi-culti grand lodge. The Jews did not cause these problems. Why is Wall Street controlled? Because Caucasian cuck RCC/Zioevangizer males do not speak up. Right now there are some degenerate “traditional RCC” websites who are trying to restore the RCC. One, “Churchmilitant” is run by a negrophiliac, “ex-homo” who reverted because of “mommy issues.” His mantra is that man have to man up and take back the RCC. But he never specifies the type of “man.” White men, black men, little green men from Mars? These are questions that have to be answered. I don’t recall calling anyone bad names. I know I’ve called some commentators cucks. But that’s not a bad description, just an accurate description of who they are.

You will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

Response; “No thanks Jew-boy, now leave!”

LOL! Heretics, aren’t we all?

Hey Talha,
I am sure Ms. Hen hasn’t thought through that heresy of her position and the quandary it presents. I’ve noticed for some of these WN/supremacists when they find themselves faced with that very quandary (of potential heresy), they quietly regress some millennia and resort to calling themselves Pagans. Valhalla apparently awaits. As does blood-eagling for the guilty.

I’ve just had a bit of time to go over these exchanges and the article itself. I wonder what Israel’s motivation was when penning this piece. Is it to cast Jews in the usual dim light? Does Israel think most Jews even know what’s written in the Midrash Talpiot?

Unless of course, it was click bait for the UR crowd.

The received “science” … First, the world “Westernizes,” it never “Easternizes.” Almost everything of importance (99.9%) in world history took place in the West.

There were never many Ashkenazi Jews. Read Ricardo Duchesne The Uniqueness of Western Civilization. Jews/Asians had nothing to do with Western civilization (which consists of European/Causcasian peoples). The few Indian Brahmins left are those who resisted miscegenation with Asians. Ancient Indian was invaded by Aryans who mixed with the native Asian/aborigine population. Today the average Indian IQ is 82. The ancient Egyptians were Caucasians. What destroyed them? Mixing with blacks. Today the average Egyptian IQ is 81. An easy way to gauge IQ is: the darker the skin, the lower the IQ. Most Asians are dark-skinned. Egypt and India are hellholes today.

Yes, God gave the ancient Israelites the Torah, but the covenant and chosen people status ended because of the the degeneracy of the ancient Israelites. God chose a new people, the gentiles for his new covenant. Ruth, David’s great-grandmother, was the grafting of the gentiles. You can’t claim anything “Jewy” because you are no longer linked to the ancient Hebrews. Shlomo Sand said today’s Israel is invented.
Today’s “Jews” are not the same Israelites of the Old Testament. For today’s Zionism, I blame the RCC/Zioevangizers for the problems Jews cause in the West. They believe today’s Jews are a link to the past. No that link was broken in 33 A.D.

Today’s Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Here are 2 youtubes dealing with this.

This is why I asked about P. Chan being a shiksa. Woody Allen, Philip Roth had shiksa problems. Although now that Woody Allen married an Asian (Korean) he no longer conflicted. And the term shiksa was not applied to his wife either.

The reason for today’s Jewry and Israel is because Freemasons, Zioevangizers and now the RCC, believe that if the temple is rebuilt, either Jesus will come back or they will be able to rule the world. Satan tempted Jesus as they looked over Jerusalem. The rebuilding will never happen.

Jews/Asians do not belong in the West. Today, more than 1/2 of world “Jewry” lives in Israel. I am a supporter of Israel because this way “Jews” (or people who “believe” they are such) have a place to go to.

But again, even though a website like Stormfront or Daily Stormer will always blame the Jews, I first blame the RCC/Zioevangizers. Dealing with these 2 entities and the Freemasons, is the first and best way to solve the West’s problems.

Again, to funny – a Jew Matrix man and his principle beast of burden an Anglo WASP (Attila the Hen), are having a tribal spat. The Anglo who once was on the top of the human heap – does not realize his current status in relation to the Matrix. And he is being very nasty about it.

He does not realize that Jew bankers control his Anglo nation. This poor Anglo does not get it, that his people are virtual monetary serfs to the Jews.

Attila the Hen does his best to hide behind Jesus Christ, but his manic abnormal tribalness just bursts out of his words. Poor fella.

Peace — Art

I have consistently stated that the West is best. Christianity is the best religion for Westerners. It does not work for blacks/Asians. If they want to be Christian they must have their own churches.

Your manic obsession with the superiority of “White Anglo-Saxon Protestant” is wrong and misplaced. They are the weakest part of Christianity – they roll over for the Jew Matrix. They are totally fearful of even saying “Jew.”

Get a life man — all the great NE Anglo-Saxon protestant universities are controlled by the Jews. The great old line American corporations are controlled by Jew Wall Street. Those are relevant FACTS.

Besides all that – you are a joke of a Christian – remember “love your neighbor” – you show us ZERO of that.

Peace — Art

Israeli police: “Disperse!”

Palestinian guy: “Let me wrap up my two rakahs yo!”

#القدس الليلة .
Jerusalem tonight pic.twitter.com/Ij3BAyXuJy

— abd elraouf arnaout (@arnaout22) July 22, 2017

LOL! MashaAllah – may their spirit endure!

You also wish Jews and others to leave Western nations.

The Son of Mary (pbuh), on his return; “I have come to guide and lead the nations…”

Response; “No thanks Jew-boy, now leave!”

LOL! Heretics, aren’t we all?

Peace.

Sorry, I’ve been busier than usual, thus the short replies. Consider me now, properly informed regarding things typical of the Jewish mind.

Your position, one which asserts IQ to be the most important determinant of earthly success, Western culture the epitome of cultures, places you, a white woman (where do you live, and what is your ethnicity?), on a perch of high altitude. You also wish Jews and others to leave Western nations. Have I got it right?

Now, about IQ; I’ve read the literature and taken a few tests [as an aside I took those tests in my 20s and I am confident while they measure a person's ability for abstract reasoning, mathematical acuity, and pattern recognition, they are utterly useless at predicting most things which matter in life, on the average].

The received “science” has North East Asians, followed by Nordic Europeans, as possessing the highest group averages among large populations (105, 100 respectively). Ashkenazi Jews and Indian Brahmins, if one were to drill down to smaller sub-groups [ref. Anatoly Karlin] exceed the NE Asian and Nordic averages by at least one standard deviation. So what are we to conclude? Very little, I should think.

On Western culture; Well, that’s rather a broad subject, and culture is not static. If one were to accept as I do, Hellenic culture and philosophy as seminal to the West, it still begs the obvious, which is, seminal does not imply permanent. Still, many of us wish to preserve things rather important for ourselves in our own corners of the world. Quaint for others, important for us. For example, I don’t sense the use of understatement to make a point to be quite your style. Which leaves one wondering how on earth Lady Thatcher could possibly be a heroine for you.

Are we The Chosen? Yes, G’d chose to give us the Torah. That is the theological claim. Nothing more. I strongly believe in the primacy of individual responsibility and work, which supersedes all else.

What concerns you about Zuckerberg’s matrimony? Why is it is important to you? Is Priscilla a ‘Shiksa’? Perhaps a hundred years ago someone might’ve called her that, just as some today might call a rude woman a Minger.

”with apologies to those German Nazis who at least were ethnically cleansing people out of their own lands,”

If you dont want somebody in your lands, you politely ask them to leave and also allow them to take their belongings, money etc and give them enough time to leave. You dont ‘ethnically ‘cleanse’ them.

Also why did nazis want to ethnically cleanse slavs, who were in their own lands?

Oh, Sam will answer, don’t you worry!

You don’t need to be so feisty; just argue your points patiently and politely. Art does not deserve your insult about low IQ.

“Philosophical Christianity” requires IQ. Your IQ and reading/comprehension skills are low.

I have consistently stated that the West is best. Christianity is the best religion for Westerners. It does not work for blacks/Asians. If they want to be Christian they must have their own churches.

The West is made up of Caucasian/European peoples. If you cannot see the difference between Caucasians, Asians, blacks, add poor eyesight to your IQ deficiencies.

Here are concrete examples of where philosophical Christianity does not work for Asians/blacks.

Which country is better: RCC Philippines or Shinto/Budhhist Japan?
RCC Haiti or Protestant Iceland?
RCC El Salvador or WASP USA?

(((Sam Schama))) has not answered my questions. He can’t deal philosophically with my questions.

It seems the preview has been taken down for whatever reason; copyright probably.

You did not answer my questions. Typical of a “Jew.” Evasiveness is typical of the Jewish mind. Directness is not liked.

I stated before IQ is my starting point for everything.

Here’s another question: (((Marc Zuckerberg))) married Priscilla Chan a Chinese Buddhist. Is she a shiksa?

Do you deal with which facts? Which facts are those?

Oh my – how funny – here we have two tribalists going after each other – one a Jew Matrix man – the other an “Atalla the hen” devotee.

Both are unwilling to acknowledge the superiority of Western intellectual culture. Both think that their family gonads put food on their table, not the cumulative cultural knowledge that actually provides them their future.

Darwin unleashed the idea of “the survival of the biological fittest.” God’s universe provided us with gonads and brains. Without question, it has evolved that brains are superior to gonads at providing a better tomorrow. Cumulative knowledge in the form of intellectual culture, provides us with more and better tomorrows then does tribalism.

Today we live by “the survival of the fittest ideas” – not the fittest tribal gonads. Shared ideas will take us to the stars.

Philosophical Christian culture is by far the superior society at providing better tomorrows.

Peace — Art

Do you deal with which facts? Which facts are those?

Hey Bliss,

The site of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem is the holiest place of Judaism.

Yes.

holiest place of Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca

There is a difference of opinion on this, but generally yes.

ever since Mohammad changed his mind because the Jews of Medina

If you say so – we say it was revealed to him that the qiblah would be changed in recognition of the new direction of humanity towards the original house of worship built by the Prophet Abraham (pbuh). Your argument would have more coherence if it wasn’t for the fact that even in Mecca at the beginning, when there were no Jews to worry about, the qiblah was Jerusalem.

while it still contained all its idols

Putting graffiti on or inside a sacred location does not reduce its status.

There is no religious reason for Muslims to claim a share of the Jewish Temple.

Of course not, we are only concerned with the site of the miraaj – which happens to be smack dab in the middle of the temple site. They consider it “holy” – something for which there is zero empirical proof other than a claim – and so do we. The Romans destroyed it, we didn’t. On top of that, we claim all the Jewish prophets as our own – two of my sons are named after them – so anything associated with them is also of interest to us (us, meaning all Muslims from Senegal to Malaysia and anywhere else).

There is also the well known fact that Muslims (of all backgrounds) spilled their own blood and crossed swords to claim and defend their sovereignty over Jerusalem against the Byzantines, Crusaders, Mongols, European Empires, etc. And letting Jews settle therein (as reported by the Iraqi Jewish historian and journalist, Nissim Rejwan):
“It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe ‘learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey’ and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, ‘who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.’ This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas.”
Israel’s Place in the Middle East*

So yeah – we have always had a dog in that fight. If the Israelis do not want to negotiate and share sovereignty and would rather take it by force of arms, all good and well, they’ll just be another notch on our belt when the Muslim world is able to get past its differences and comes for the holy city again.

Peace.

*Note: Of interest here is that a while back I was able to link to text directly to a page inside the book, this is no longer possible. Now it takes you to the front page and description. This is the first book archived on Google for which I have experienced this. But if one wants to confirm the text is verbatim, they can just copy parts of it and do a search – it will show up in the search results page in bold under the link.

Yes the Jews may have had a temple on that site 2000+ years ago, but if everyone’s been paying attention – a lot has happened since then (like Christianity and Islam). Everyone’s got to share.

The site of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem is the holiest place of Judaism. The holiest place of Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca ever since Mohammad changed his mind because the Jews of Medina were not impressed by his judeophilia. Of course a Koranic verse was conveniently revealed ordering the change in direction of prayer and Mohammad and his followers in Medina literally turned their backsides to Jerusalem in the north and started prostrating towards the pagan temple in Mecca to their south….while it still contained all its idols! (Explain that away)

There is no religious reason for Muslims to claim a share of the Jewish Temple.

Vitriol! I deal in facts.

Since you are Jewish (mostly likely of Asiatic origin, yes Ashkenazis are Asians/blacks with European blood), answer this: Are Jews the chosen? If yes, why? If no, why not?

Well, surprises never cease! I should’ve known, but Maggie T was a bit early in the scheme of things for my generation. Yes, I am Jewish, born and raised in the U.K. and now a citizen of the U.S. What prompts your vitriol?

I put forth a theological proof about Islam and this is all you can come up with?

attila the hen was one of Margaret Thatcher’s nicknames. She is one of my heroines. A hint at my culture.

Are you Jewish? I don’t remember seeing your name before.

I’ve always liked Israel Shamir’s writing and the intelligence that powers it. But, he knows as well as I know and as well you know that it’s all a crock of shit!

I am certainly no Talmudic scholar but I have gone through a uniform sampling of its more than six thousand pages, consisting of the Mishnah, Gemara and the Torah.

I say without any trepidation, that these six words “the truth will set you free” from Jesus Christ, are of more value to humanity, then all six thousand pages of the Talmud.

In short, the future is everything – and finding the truth is the path to the future.

In human relations, finding the truth leads to peace.

Finding the truth is the path away from the chaos of the universe..

Peace — Art

To be perfectly honest, my friend, I have not read one page of the Talmud in context.. What I have read, is hundred of snippets of the Talmud from the internet, and it contains some, well, “unorthodox”to put it lightly, points of view, about many things, Including Jesus. One is that Jesus is to spend all eternity boiling in “hot excrement” in hell.

Now I understand the concept of epoch-related context, this occurs in the bible with differences between the Old and New Testament, such as slavery, and love thy neighbor, etc. As Talha will tell you, it is also a topic of discussion with Koran scholars, but the verses I’ve read about Jesus are vivid enough whereas negation would be a bit difficult.

Abraham, Moses and others communicated directly with G_d we are told. How much of the Bible is direct communication and how much is commentary? Would not the direct communication be of greatest value? Or is the struggle to develop commentary also worthy? Or is the latter subject to revision or manipulation over the centuries? How does one know what is truth and what is not? Do those questions not underlie all subsequent uses of scriptural text for direction and answers?

[Passing off this event as a peaceful situation – turned ugly in an instant – is a gross simplification – an intellectually dishonest account – it ignores the whole story.]

I am going to ignore the rest of your predictable nonsense, but tell me your account of what happened, won’t you?

For 21,900 straight days (60×365) the Israelis have made life hell for the Palestinians – on that day, payback just popped out. Human nature kicked back. What goes around comes around.

I do not expect you to get that.

Peace — Art

p.s. Taking life is wrong.

Even the Muslims in Bogota, Columbia are protesting:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1552303621488013&substory_index=0&id=125755470809509

For those who want to understand the layout of the compound from a Muslim perspective:

And this is good news:

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.802263

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=141&v=vHbJD_oIK9s

Thanks. I wonder if any explanation as to her ill-chosen handle is forthcoming.

[Passing off this event as a peaceful situation – turned ugly in an instant – is a gross simplification – an intellectually dishonest account – it ignores the whole story.]

I am going to ignore the rest of your predictable nonsense, but tell me your account of what happened, won’t you?

You’ve succumbed to certain temptations. Sorry if I make that accusation in haste, but saying the Talmud speaks ill of Jesus is both true and false. Mostly false, because it conceals the context. Humans are all the same, rabbis and Yehoshua included.

To do justice to the Talmud in short metrics, as I am about to attempt, will necessarily miss the boat by a margin. Hopefully not enough to result in a watery ending. I am certainly no Talmudic scholar but I have gone through a uniform sampling of its more than six thousand pages, consisting of the Mishnah, Gemara and the Torah.

Conceding it partially speculative – I have little knowledge regarding any heritage of systematical debates in Christianity or Islam – I submit the Talmud to be the lengthiest and broadest compendium of unbroken theological intellectualism, legal ethics, logic and lore. It is simply a revelation of the wide-ranging opinions of more than a thousand rabbis on all topics surrounding Jewish religiosity, ethics, law and life. It is thus at once fascinating, confusing, tiring, yet enlightening if the reader keeps the century and context in mind. Many early opinions are pronounced obsolete in the times which followed. It is, therefore, a most honest record of the progression of all that a people and their intellectual leadership understood, interpreted and debated.

Taken in that context, the opprobrium heaped on a non-conformist rabbi, one who would upend the established order and all its privileges, not to mention someone who gave the populist sentiment a voice is hardly surprising.

We live, learn and add to our common body of knowledge.

I saw the video in a social media post where the policemen were simply attempting to keep the peace amidst an increasingly agitated crowd.

One clearly sees what happened. The police speaking in calm measured tones “tiraga, tiraga” meaning “relax, relax”, then shots ring out killing two of them.

First, this reply does not condone the killing of those two men. Life is sacred – life is sacred – life is sacred.

Israel is a continuum of living hate for the Palestinian people. For sixty years and millions of times a day – Israel insults the Palestinian people.

Passing off this event as a peaceful situation – turned ugly in an instant – is a gross simplification – an intellectually dishonest account – it ignores the whole story.

But then, Israel lives and momentary thrives on half-truths.

The intellectual dishonesty of the Matrix Jew is their hallmark.

Peace — Art

All I did was to tell you what the document says.

…Because the “Jews” aren’t Jews, they do not even claim to be Jews, the are JewISH (Jew-like).

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/0b94ed_b67bf18dd23c4c10be2e988a6860e315.jpg_srz_940_644_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz

Thank you, Sam, for the proper dressing.

Hey Sam,

It does seem that things are starting to calm down. And if they go back to normal (as normal as it’s been), then I feel there no reason for major alarm and this was just more of our short-sighted extremists causing trouble by deciding they can speak for the world’s Muslims. I will definitely agree with you that Christians and Jews should be allowed to use the area to pray and I don’t know why they are allowed to visit it and walk around but not pray – the rule seems really, really stupid (especially as a Hanafi since our school states they can even enter and pray in the great mosques of Mecca and Madinah). I think this is all caught up in politics.

I certainly do hope cooler heads prevail on both sides – because if there is a move to restrict access or tear down existing structures – like I said, there will be massive trouble.

This is front and center for the Muslim community as of late – there has been a push by all imams in the US to make the Muslim congregations aware of the situation during the Friday prayers.

Peace.

Ms Hen

You appear to be clucking about rather busily, asserting your genetic/IQ superiority and all that. Be that as it may, do explain your choice of handle, a play on “Attila the Hun”; plainly inappropriate for a “Western Caucasian” supremacist wouldn’t you say?

It suggests a deep envy of Asian conquerors mixed with an inferiority complex on account of your gender.

Hey Talha, just a reminder. You’re a heretic.

and you’re an embarrassment

I just don’t see how any objective observer can conclude that muslims have a better claim to the site of the Jewish temple than the jews.

that’s because you’re a million miles away from being an “objective observer” Bliss

what’s obvious to a genuine objective observer is that the Zionists are nothing but a murderous cabal of racial supremacists and modern day Nazis, (with apologies to those German Nazis who at least were ethnically cleansing people out of their own lands, as opposed to zio-Nazis, who are cleansing the Palestinians out of the Palestinian’s lands)

if the second coming had happened, and He arrived according to Jewish and Christian gospels (not sure if Muslim religion has a second coming), but if the Messiah did actually arrive, then perhaps there’d be some justification for murdering other people and stealing their land and profaning their sacred sites.

But as long as all of this is being done by mortal men, for reasons of tribal/racial hegemony, then any talk any of this having religious connotation is blasphemy and a sin. Nothing more than mortal men behaving like bloodthirsty, ‘red in tooth and claw’ animals.

Hello Talha,
Returning after a shortish break. Seems UR has been buzzing with activity, as usual.

Anyway, the incident at the Temple Mount appears grave. Two policemen, Israeli Druzim, were shot by Arabs for no reason at all beyond the typical jostling and pushing at the site during prayers. I saw the video in a social media post where the policemen were simply attempting to keep the peace amidst an increasingly agitated crowd.

One clearly sees what happened. The police speaking in calm measured tones “tiraga, tiraga” meaning “relax, relax”, then shots ring out killing two of them. This is not a creation of conspiracies, so let us not throw chum in these waters filled with conspiracy bottom feeders, shall we?

Something needs to be done about the Mount. Jews and Christians are not allowed by the PA /Waqf to pray there, a very holy site for the religions. I should like to see Muslims make their opinions known to the PA regarding this. Israel will not seize the site to exclude Muslims. Guaranteed.

Hey Talha, just a reminder. You’re a heretic.

Technically and theologically, Islam is a Christian heresy. So what the Koran says about Jesus is not good, it is evil.

Cuckery on display again.

Hey Bliss,

They don’t, it should be shared between all three faiths. Muslims have no right to prevent others from utilizing those holy sites for worship – and vice versa. Whether that means splitting time of worship or designated locations, etc. If they construct a new temple and destroy whatever is currently on the site…there will be serious trouble.

Yes the Jews may have had a temple on that site 2000+ years ago, but if everyone’s been paying attention – a lot has happened since then (like Christianity and Islam). Everyone’s got to share.

Peace.