Jimmy Dore shows what happened there:

Russia/Syria: Send weapons inspectors because we have nothing to hide

US/Britain/France: Bomb the sites before weapons inspectors arrive because we know there are weapons.

Which seems more plausible?

I’ve grown disillusioned with the LP long ago, but luckily they’re not the bulk of the libertarian movement.

You make fair points about the pie-in-the-sky libertarians and the antifamily homosexual-glorifying drugs-are-no-big-deal hipster-wiseass “Reason magazine” libertarians.

But still you are attacking something of a straw man, because many libertarians are not moral relativists, are not naive about the destruction caused by hard drugs, and do not support open borders. Especially those of us who are long out of unrealistic college days and are trying to protect and raise our children.

I’ve been basically libertarian my whole life, yet have never tried hard drugs and would immediately stop associating with people who take them. I want a moratorium on all nonEuropean immigration, plus a Wall, land mines, and National Guard on our entire border with our dirtbag southern neighbor, an end to birthright citizenship. Numerous libertarian and libertarianish acquaintance’s think the same.

We can’t even get libertardians to oppose laws telling us how and to whom we may sell our property, how we can hire and fire and promote, how we constitute our private institutions, businesses, and communities, who we sell our products to, etc. Good luck getting them to name the Jew.

Libertardians are a shameful lot, reduced to leftism + crony capitalism, hard drug advocacy, and bill of rights advocacy (as long as leftist racists don’t push them off).

Their own (ostensible) principles. It’s all libertardians can lay claim to, and even that claim is bogus.

To elaborate: anti-freedom laws (“anti-discrimination” laws) are the biggest violation of libertarian principles in the US today, but libertardians have jack shit to say about them.

President Trump will come to regret the day he let the neocons take over his foreign policy.

He couldn’t care less – this is all about “Winning” i.e. Winning the race to become President.

Jews and SJW’s were not going to help him with that, so it had to be traditional white Americans tired of ME wars, mass immigration and outsourced manufacturing – so he sells them the goods.

There are no ethics or morality in any of this. Trump is a high rise property developer from New York and knows better than anyone that those massive WTC buildings didn’t collapse due to some mostly extinguished fires.

Even Ron Paul dares not utter the J-word.

We live in a Fake Democracy.

Svigor, not being confrontational just asking – What do you mean by “dereliction of duty”? “Duty” to whom or what?

Tried for war crimes by who, when Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld continue living lives of luxury?

They weren’t elected over the unified opposition of the Deep Shit State and The Swamp…

Libertardians’ disastrous ignorance of HBD, open borders, the dangers of hard drugs; their abject venality and cowardice, dereliction of duty, concerning anti-freedom (so-called “anti-discrimination”) laws….

Libertarians are a joke.

there has been no (((neo-con))) takeover over of the Trumpenthal regime:

Trumpenthal has been a stooge for the Wall St./Las Vegas Zionist banksters and billionaires his entire adult life.

the appointments of shabbatz goy warmongers Pompeo and Bolton are what he intended all along.

next step, after the enroute Truman carrier battle group arrives in the eastern Med:

another murderous false flag, and then an attempt to blow the Russians out of Syria.

when/if that succeeds, Iran will be hit next

and then Russia itself, probably via the Ukraine.

Putin could have short-circuited the ZOG escalation by sinking the 2 ‘Murkan destroyers that fired most of the missiles. Now, his deterrant credibility is close to zero.

“Do we really want to be al-Qaeda and ISIS’s airforce?”

Are you kidding me? How could Ron Paul not know that this has been the reality for years now?

Tried for war crimes by who, when Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld continue living lives of luxury?

If he thinks impeachment is bad, just wait until he gets tried for war crimes.

No doubt the upper decks will try to lock down steerage …

No doubt about it, and that answers RP’s question, (which need not have been asked):

The only question is whether the existing system will be replaced by a free market and limited constitutional government or we will complete our descent into totalitarianism.

In fact, if we’re not living under totalitarianism as we speak, then what would qualify?

This is a good article with an interesting observation:

Many are also demanding protection of their right to opt out — not just from government programs like Obamacare but also from the Federal Reserve System. For example, Wyoming recently joined Arizona in passing a law recognizing gold and silver as legal tender. Citizens of these states are now able to protect themselves from the coming dollar crisis by using what has historically been considered real money.

“Demanding protection of their right to opt out” is an interesting concept.

It’s a way for local political units (States in this case) to claim some autonomy for their people. Metaphorically, they are building lifeboats to escape a sinking ship. No doubt the upper decks will try to lock down steerage (need to keep control – don’t want a riot) but the activity below decks shows a lack of confidence in the officers running the ship.

Wyoming could for example continue the process, by developing shadow state authorities to cover all the major areas like education, healthcare, law, commerce etc. in case the Federal level fails. If the dollar collapses then they have their own currency ready to go based on local stocks of precious metals or Wyoming land value certificates.

The Fed is the main reason our economy sucks. All the other ills people worry about flow from Fed policy. Fed policy is why we’re running a permanent trade deficit with China and other trading partners; under a hard money system, money flowing out of the country in exchange for foreign goods would either have to be used to buy American goods or else our purchase of foreign goods would have to stop. But if we keep adding new money, we can keep buying foreign goods without the foreigners needing to buy our goods in return.

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/hey-donald-its-not-bad-trade-deals-its-bad-money-part-1/

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/its-not-bad-trade-deals-its-bad-money-part-2/

Fed policy is also the reason middle and working class incomes stagnate while rich people’s incomes soar. Worker productivity has been rising due to capital investment, but this should lead to higher real wages as the cost of goods goes down. New money creation means the banks and big corporations that get the new money first can buy up all the goods, driving up prices for the rest of us and leaving us with less.

“as long as he avoids the JQ aspect of who runs the Fed, he can condemn fiat money, central banking and inflation without fear that anything bad will happen to him as a consequence.”

I’m confused. Do you think the Fed is a good or bad thing? Just above you claimed that the Fed is already audited (by an accounting firm employed by the Fed rather than by Congress, but whatever); you made it sound like there was nothing there to worry about. Now you’re castigating RP for not talking about the Jews at the Fed. Why would he need to talk about the Jews or anybody else at the Fed if the Fed is nothing to worry about?

A debt-based monetary system will always fail. END THE FED….. MAGA will follow.
All wars are banker/MIC wars. So long as the devil has a blank check, expect him to do bad things.

Dr. Paul keeps up his nonsensical attacks on the Fed because he knows that he can pretend to defy the state without having to inconvenience his comfortable life; as long as he avoids the JQ aspect of who runs the Fed, he can condemn fiat money, central banking and inflation without fear that anything bad will happen to him as a consequence.

Which at least shows that he has more sense than the crackpots who took their libertarianism “seriously” by denying the tax laws and going to prison, like Irwin Schiff and Robert Beale.

You can already find Federal Reserve audits online as free public documents:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/audited-annual-financial-statements.htm

So I don’t see what Dr. Paul gratuitous audit would accomplish, other than telling us what we already know, namely, that the Fed has complied with the law.

Ron, we got plenty of other existential crises to cover, but you libertardians are still stuck on the fed and legal pot.

GROW SOME BALLS. Act like your values are genuinely held, and denounce anti-Freedom laws (so-called “anti-discrimination” laws). Denounce the ongoing project of soft genocide of European peoples by open borders and mass immigration invasion.

At least acknowledge how thoroughly the opioid crisis has raped the stupid libertardian obsession with drug legalization.

“The only question is whether the existing system will be replaced by a free market and limited constitutional government or we will complete our descent into totalitarianism.”

How can Dr. Paul doubt that when the United States of America becomes the largest, most diverse, and most overpopulated country in Latin America that it will have become a Libertarian Utopia?

We definitely don’t need a second political party. What we need is to get rid of all political parties.

But that’s just tinkering around the edges of the real problem. When elections are split roughly 50%/50% time and time again, that should indicate there’s a larger problem that need to be solved. Clearly, it is the size of the United States of America that’s the problem. It encompasses too much territory. It encompasses too many people with differing ideas on how things should be. There shouldn’t be a single person with the title of President of the United States that has the wherewithal to start another war to end humanity.

The US of A needs to be broken up into more manageable parts where differences of opinion can lead to areas where the inhabitants are more likely to share their world view. The States should all declare an end to the Fed Gov and go their separate ways; 50 new countries. The entire world would be a more peaceful place if the warmongers that infest Washington DC would lose their sponsorship. People could vote with their feet and move to an area more conducive to their needs and outlook.

History ain’t gonna be kind to the U.S. Likewise my birthplace, U.K. Well documented ill treatment of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Grabe, marines pissing on dead Afghans. I was in charge of 12 Japanese prisoner a few weeks before the war ended, they were half naked, no shoes, half dead, a sorry looking lot, former marines. I gave them water and my cigarette ration of seven. They were fully expecting us to kill them. I wasn’t going down that road, even knowing how bad they treated our wounded prisoners. I don’t know if that changed their attitude but I can go to sleep knowing that I did the right thing.

In every election I can remember, the voters elected the “peace candidate”. But after each ritualistic lever-pulling, we get a war president.

That, alone, proves that the US democracy is a total and utter sham.

To get elected, the professional liars called politicians lie. Ergo, the cliche, “How do you know a politicians is lying? When his lips are moving.”

The politicians serve the global oligarchs, nobody else. Everything else is political theater. “Are you not entertained?”

It was obvious Trump was a Swamp Creature from the get. You do not get to be a billionaire, in New York, in the real estate (think: banking) and media industries, without being “on the home team”. Duhhh.

So none of this is the least bit surprising. Not the massive budget and deficit. Not moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Not threatening war with Iran, N. Korea, etc.. Not the Russophobia. Not the failure to expel illegal immigrants. Not the failure to accomplish anything on global trade. Not the appointment of Bolton or the other warmongers, war criminals, torturers, murderers, liars, charlatans, chicken-hawk and cowards to top positions of war-making. Not making the White House kosher. Not a single thing has surprised me.

I had given Trump a < 5% chance of being genuine – just because, I always admit the possibility that my Weltanschauung has a fundamental fault. It is now down to 0%. The Orangutan played the “alt-right” and “deplorables” just like Obama played the “progressives”.

Putin’s national address seems to have finally quenched the war between the Globalists and Pentagon in the Beltway. So the United Anglo-Zionist cabal has gone into full throttle with their encircling operation of Russia. These Neocon-Zionist-Mofos are really eager to start the WW3.

In addition to the national address, another reason for this sudden increase in antagonism against Russia is certainly the changing situation in Syria. Russia has allowed Turkey to hit the first nail in the coffin of the planned “Zionist-PKK pro-Israel” state supposedly extending all the way over to Med. The Neocons are obviously red hot mad with Putin. For the first time since 9/11, the Neocons are losing a “war of terror” they started.

The people who are usually reliable soldiers and solid citizens won’t fight to keep Bradford Muslim or to ensure that the gangs in Telford have a ready supply of white baby meat. If the Neocon scum actually succeed in starting a war, they might find their citizen soldiers go over to the Russians. I hope that the bull-dykes and Upworthy followers are up for it. I’m not.

I’m not sure how you expect the proles to care about foreign wars when they’re not allowed any peace or security at home (from neoliberal guests variously described as migrants, minorities, etc). Nobody voted for war, but war they shall have. So has it been, so shall it always be. Spare us the lecture. You know exactly who and why. Brow beat the proles no more for the iniquities of the chosen.

I am heartened to see some Senators – including Sen. Rand Paul – pledging to oppose President Trump’s nominees for State and CIA.

Trump just let us all know his intentions by appointing (Israeli citizen and psychopathic war pig) John Bolton as National Security Advisor

I pray God speed to Senator Rand Paul, and any other honorable congressmen willing to stand up to the Fiend.

this may be the test of a lifetime, but then, if Trump is no more than just another zio-puppet, then it really looks like all is lost.

Stop supporting the neocons and the rest of the war mongers. White people especially – stop allowing/encouraging your children to join the military. As long as there are immoral people willing to serve the sick, twisted desires of these war pigs they will never stop their quest for global domination.

It’s troubling. There appears to be no hope of the neocons being dethroned in this political generation and therefore likely that they will eventually get their wish of war with Iran, particularly since the Gulf-Israel alliance.

Fortunately Netanyahu is a psychopath and the broader Israeli national culture is one of psychopathy and so they will overextend without understanding the consequences and make themselves a pariah. Making Jersusalem the capital is the start to the end of Israel and Netanyahu and co are too stupid to see it.

Israel simply did not steal enough territory to be viable and has acted in a manner that not even the most die-hard pre-war anti-semite could really have believed. (Or at least believed they’d get away with)

Israel’s very quiet, slow-motion unofficial policy of ethnic cleansing was very effective since it meant Western diplomats could still pretend it wasn’t happening and that a two-state solution was being worked on, that things were in stasis. But to make Jerusalem the whole capital of Israel is to end the two-state solution and to end Israel’s being able to hide. That they tied it to Trump means the Left will be unable to stop their lower ranks from really seething about it with the gatekeepers becoming more clear in their real agendas.

The issue is whether the cure is worse than the disease. Big trade imbalances are a sign something is wrong, but RP says, and I agree, that this is because of inflation. Foreigners exchange their goods for our debt. This is not a problem with trade but with our monetary policy. Imposing tariffs will not fix the underlying problem of too much debt; instead, it will prevent foreigners from acquiring our debt so cheaply, meaning we’ll have to keep it at home and this will lead to rising prices and lower living standards.

Fixing monetary policy means we won’t be producing so much debt. Instead of offering debt in exchange for goods, we can offer our own goods, leading to mutual benefit. That’s how trade is supposed to work.

Libertarians place a premium on national independence and rightfully so, but America can’t remain truly independent for long when we rely on imports for almost everything that we used to provide ourselves.

AGREED!

… with this whole comment and your comments in general (under iSteve), Ken. Good stuff all around, IMNHO.

is Ron Paul ok with allowing unfettered entry & practice of foreign opthomologists to Kentucky?

Hey , how about stop filling pocket of the rich. Lower taxes , more wars , more military bases, damaging Bush , trillions lost in Pentagons, and in Iraq, count is endless..
And how will the world respond ? The same. And import will be more expensive..
And sanctions continue against the whole world…

Foreign manufacturers may make convenient scapegoats for the problems facing US industry.

This is a favorite hobby horse of the libertarians, viz, foreign industry is just so much darn better and more efficient than U.S. industry. Foreign manufacturers don’t have the regulatory & tax burden and their wages and benefits are frequently a fraction of U.S. manufacturers which puts us at a competitive disadvantage. Even if these burdens were lessened tariffs would still be required to protect certain industries.

In most cases these foreign manufacturers wouldn’t even be in business were it not for greedy corporate executives looking to exploit the very cheap/slave labor of the third world. The monetary investment, technology transfer & manufacturing know how by U.S. companies to their offshore manufacturing sites is staggering and this all exerts pressure on domestic industry.

U.S. industry is not perfect but the “problems” Ron Paul alludes to are largely artificial resulting from unfair trade and regulatory policy.

Libertarians place a premium on national independence and rightfully so, but America can’t remain truly independent for long when we rely on imports for almost everything that we used to provide ourselves.

Yes, taxes are bad, yes the government spends too much. Certainly the direct tax on my personal income impacts my personal economy in a negative way, much the same way a tax on steel will affect steel consumers.

However, unless one is a pretty far out there politically, taxes DO need to be raised. For the short term I’m going to ignore the protectionism aspect, I don’t think things are out of hand for America in this regard, and so I think this is a relatively “good” way to raise revenue– indirectly.

I’m a free trade, free market guy, Trump is also getting a pass on this one from me because he’s doing more for my cause than the side that opposes him. I also think the short term objections to these tariffs are overstated for political purposes. The tax will merely be passed down the line, much like other taxes.

Long term focused protectionism will harm America’s competitiveness, much as it has always done to countries that practice this.

…. This would cause a major economic crisis — but at least it would stop our shores from being flooded with “cheap foreign goods.”

Hey, Dr. Paul, the crisis is gonna happen anyway. You are completely right on the root causes of business, especially manufacturing, leaving America. However, the FED isn’t going anywhere UNTIL the economic SHTF, so may as well just get ready for it.

The tariffs may help quite a bit in the meantime, but yes, the crash will be coming. Start prepping, bitchez! “Beans, bullets, band-aids” / “Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica”

Won’t someone think of the global economy?

If the Iraqis had used a little smarts, they would have agreed to an internal truce while they acted nice and pretended to go along with US rule and democrazy until the Americans just got bored and went home, and then resumed hostilities until they could divvy the place up into tribal chunks, which is the only peaceable arrangement long term. The only question is who gets what and how much.

All because of Israel. When will America put the boots to AIPAC and become human again?

Al Qaeda existed before we went into Iraq under Bush II. ISIS was created as a result of the destruction of Saddam’s regime. Saddam needed to be removed, and his nuke program destroyed, but destruction of the regime was a strategic blunder equal to that of the sealed train that carried Lenin to Russia. We should have removed Saddam and handed the keys to the next guy in line with the admonition, “Don’t make us come back,” and after all nuke materials were recovered and seized, then left the country.

Dr. Paul is right in this, as he usually is on foreign policy. There will never be any consequence for the people who promoted and executed the destruction of Iraq, and Syria, and Libya. They do whatever they want, and even if the average American does not support each war of choice, it has gotten to the point where the emperor…er, I mean, the president, whoever he may be and whichever party he belongs to, may launch attacks on people across the globe at will, and there will be no consequence to him or his enablers.

What are we to do? Our representatives, such as they are, will not hold themselves, the executive, or the judicial branches of the federal government accountable to their oaths, or even to the basics of morality. Not when doing so will likely end their time at the trough.

This is too big to stop. It will go on until the whole rotten edifice of what used to be America collapses in on itself. That won’t be a fun time, but if there is such a thing as karma, this country will have more than earned the pain that is coming.

Svigor was claiming that violence was just a black or brown problem. Cruz is white, his last name notwithstanding.

Bullshit, that’s your straw man.

My comment:

While we’re at it, let’s look beyond the left’s delusional narrative of human cognitive equality, too: America doesn’t have a gun violence problem, America has a black and brown violence problem.

Cruz looks pretty white to me.

A lot of Jews can pass for white. That said, anecdotes != statistics, and anecdotes != national problems. So your comment is irrelevant at best.

Furthermore, I think their histrionics set the pattern for today’s left-leaning movements such as Antifa, MeToo, BLM and The Resistance.

The Tea Party’s opposition to Obama and the left was rhetorical only. They didn’t shut down left wing speakers on college campuses through mob action and physically threaten, assault (in the case of antifa) and murder (in the case of BLM) they’re perceived enemies.

The various left wing groups making up the so called “resistance” are following the example and using the tactics of violent communist revolutionaries.

Although I’m an independent voter, I’ve always leaned conservative when their candidates and platform deserved my support. But because I was always shocked and dismayed at the seemingly nonsensical protests of the conservatives’ Tea Party I’ve often voted against other than conservative.

If they’re no more. Fine. They were more of a hysterical protest movement against Obama than they were activists for liberty.

Furthermore, I think their histrionics set the pattern for today’s left-leaning movements such as Antifa, MeToo, BLM and The Resistance. So, their example was readily adopted and easily subverted to the goals of the left and the conservatives have few to blame for this but the Tea Party.

Extremism serves no permanent master. So, it should be evoked with great, meticulous care, instead of capricious abandon like the Tea Party did.

We conservative leaning voters now see what they wrought and it’s not pretty.

You can’t have fiscal responsibility AND debt money. First you end the FED. Then you balance the budget. The Tea Party thought the congress could stave off bankruptcy merely by borrowing less. The Club For Growth could not understand that with debt money increased debt IS growth.

Today, just as diversity is our strength, debt is our prosperity.

Sounds crazy I know. But consider elite political dogma that maintains there is no such thing as race. No such thing as national borders. No such thing as BOYS AND GIRLS. That whiteness is the cause of all ills of humanity. Or the ridiculous notion that our national security is threatened by Iran or North Korea. Or that Donald Trump is a Russian agent.

The creators of the current incarnation of the banking cartel knew from the beginning that their project would end in disaster but proceeded anyway for their own personal enrichment. The inevitable crash when the debt money ponzi has run its course is finally upon us. Imperial Washington is in the service of evil. Next comes the flood.

Dr. Doom’s pessimism above is justified by Ron Paul’s loser son…Zionist Randy Boy.

RP is still fine (except for his constant crowing about “de konsitooshun), but as you say his kid is as goofy and as worthless as they get.

The kid has to be an unspeakable embarrassment to the old man.

As for TEA party, it was a fraud from the beginning, just like Trump, and I had no idea it still existed. If its supporters had any brains, they’d know that there are no political remedies to the problems of this terminally degenerate moral cesspit.

Dr. Doom’s pessimism above is justified by Ron Paul’s loser son…Zionist Randy Boy.

Ron Paul himself is beyond irrelevance these days.

Greg, I like yours and Dr. Paul’s optimism, and you are right that there will be an “other side”. Somehow, though, Dr. Doom’s scenario seems just as realistic to me. Plus, there are his credentials.
;-}

Let’s not be bamboozled by the media on the tea party issue. Trump and the “alt-right” are far more interesting fodder right now. However, listen to the members of the freedom caucus speak and note their votes. Ron Paul used to be the sole “no” guy, now there’s a relative bunch of them. Furthermore, the idea of liberty is often times projected into the broader debate by many people. Progress has been made, there’s no reason to be apocalyptic about the chances of liberty, and my thought is that there’s a lot of turmoil and potential in the American political scene, in particular the deception of rank and file liberals. There may be a reckoning, and liberty has as good a chance as any of coming out stronger on the other side. We have been speaking a consistent and appealing truth, and that is not without its power.

The TEA Party isn’t over Ron. The American Dream is over. Its not the Gold Standard, its the Den of Thieves who run the federal reserve. Its Baron Rothschild and the Rockefellers, Ronnie. They’re not businessmen, they’re crooks. That monopoly money was NEVER any good. It has stolen America from the White Men who built it.
It will not stand. The brown cannot even maintain what has been stolen. Computers and robots cannot keep it running either, boy. What was ours before will be ours again. Its inevitable. Whether they get Idi Amin or Pancho Villa, they won’t get a stable society. The black and brown have NEVER done that.

Call it racism. Say Anti-Semitic to the Moon gawds. It doesn’t matter. America is either White or its nothing. This globalism is a delusion. There is no plan here. Puerile fantasies of power and slaves. The ludicrous gibbering of loons. Imbeciles that have failed over a hundred times and only survived due to their cowardice and having somewhere to run to.

That’s all over. The globalization has made finding gullible victims pretty much impossible. The enemy parasite has never been one to think things through. I expect it will keep doubling down and trying to instigate wars to save itself. This perfidy stinks to High Heaven.

The Gods are Angry. Its not carbon dioxide you have to worry about. Diseases, wild weather, earthquakes, wars and rumors of wars. Welcome to the Book of Revelation. There is a fork in the road. The wheat and the chaff are about to part. A Global Conflagration is Here. Diseases run rampant. Influenza is hardly the only one. Pestilence Chan has been busy. Hepatitis, Black Plague, Ebola, TB, and others. Immune from vaccines and medicines.

Let us not mince words. That materialism of times past has corrupted Mankind. A cleansing of such nonsense is now in order. Gold won’t save you. Drugs whether legal or illegal will not save you. Pain is good for the soul. Pain should warn you of your errors. More pain is now assured. The Gods will not be Ignored.

Whatever God you believe in. Whatever name you use. Whatever religion you care to prescribe to.
It only matters that humanity and materialism shall not stand against the Ones Most High.

There are Powers That Be, but they are not the ones who bleed and need Gold.

I don’t know what to believe about Cruz’ race: you or my own two lying eyes.

Cruz has a Jewish mother and Jews don’t consider themselves white (i.e., European) and according to Jewish religious law having a Jewish mother makes one a Jew. You only want to make him white because he did something bad but if he helped rescue kids from a shooter then the media would be playing up the fact that he has a Jewish mother and Jews would be claiming him as one of their own.

When Jews do something good they are identified as Jews but when they do bad or commit evil acts then suddenly they are cast as evil white men.

When blacks commit around 55% of all murders nationally while whites are underrepresented in all violent crime categories then violence is primarily a black and brown problem. When the “stop and frisk” debate in NYC was raging a few years ago it was revealed that black and brown commit an astounding 90% of all murders. Same story in Chicago as I recall.

If I had to hazard a guess I’ll bet you live near very few, if any, blacks and browns because you know who poses the most violent crime threat, but it feels good to lie to yourself. If you think that most blacks and Latinos have an inner Ron Paul that they can channel you will be sorely disappointed.

Per Peak Stupidity’s “Dealing with tragic reality and the women’s vote” your statements here out you as a woman. If I had known you were a lady, albeit with a man’s name, I’d have not spent as much of my time fruitlessly arguing with an emotional non-thinker. Thanks a lot for the hour I’ll never get back, Miss Mason.

Cruz is white, his last name notwithstanding

Could be a Sno Ball, pumpkin bar, or egg.

Svigor was claiming that violence was just a black or brown problem. Cruz is white, his last name notwithstanding.

“Well regulated” meant well-practiced, i.e. trained-up to shoot well.

Regulated means “ruled” and comes from the same latin root as the word king (rex). There is not really any evidence that it used to mean anything other than “well-ordered”.

In any case, the Bill of Rights was something concocted by a committee and the members may not even have exactly agreed on the meaning of each word, but the British colonials who composed it just thought it sounded like something that ought to be in a Constitution.

However, I don’t think it is all that important what the Founders thought they were saying, because that was then, and now is now, and no one really believes that the Founders intended to allow lunatics to easily obtain rapid firing weapons to kill and maim school children. At least no one except the NRA.

You think like a leftist. “Well regulated” in the context of the second amendment does not connote government control by Diane Fienstein, Chuck U Schumer, the ADL or some federal institution like Congress. It essentially means that not only should the sovereign states have a militia but that it be well organized and trained.

Militias served as protection for the individual sovereign states and, if necessary, against the federal government who had no standing army at the time because it was not supposed to have a monopoly of force over the states like it has today. Eisenhower and JFK federalized national guards to force racial integration upon hapless whites at gunpoint and for all intents and purposes they are just another tool which the federal government uses to project raw power throughout the country when needed.

Militia meant mean any adult citizen capable of bearing arms and was not, as presumably you and the left ignorantly or deceitfully claim, just a precursor to the national guard and police forces which now somehow nullifies an individual’s right to bear arms.

That’s NOT what the founders of this country who wrote up the Bill of Rights, meant by “regulated”, and you should know that, I mean, after your BIG TEST and all back in the ’80′s.

“Well regulated” meant well-practiced, i.e. trained-up to shoot well.

If you were well “well read”, you might have known this before now, Mr. Mason. I’m well-read, but could still use to get better regulated.

Joe Sobran was asked if Bill Clinton made him miss George Bush, his former target. His answer? Are you kidding? Bill Clinton makes me miss George III.

Of course, Reg, I’d agree that compared to the US Police State going back to the mid-1970′s*, we’d all be better off under King George.

It’s just that he was another Englishman, as you said, who didn’t have a fucking clue. Nothing that went on then resembled the atrocities of justice and the Anarcho-tyranny that go on everyday in this place, not to mention actual physical atrocities like Waco and Ruby Ridge.

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* Of course the decade is arguable. I and other Libertarians enjoy arguing about that. It’s the clueless Masons (the ones on unz, I mean) who just are too stupid to make arguing enjoyable – all their damn premises are wrong, and they know no history.

You’ve got to be borderline-retard to have been here since 1986, living in the South that whole time(?), and still not understand why people better keep their guns. I don’t believe it.

PS, I understand the Constitution perfectly well, as I had to pass a test to become a US citizen.

I’ve helped a few colleagues study for this so-called test. In no way is understanding the Constitution “perfectly well” a minimum requirement. Or even an encouraged goal.

The civics questions are at a second- or third-grade level at best. I’d be surprised if the Boy Scouts of America’s requirements for the corresponding merit badges aren’t significantly more demanding.

In fact, they are:

Citizenship in the Nation merit badge requirements

Explain what citizenship in the nation means and what it takes to be a good citizen of this country. Discuss the rights, duties, and obligations of a responsible and active American citizen.
Do TWO of the following:
a. Visit a place that is listed as a National Historic Landmark or that is on the National Register of Historic Places. Tell your counselor what you learned about the landmark or site and what you found interesting about it.
b. Tour your state capitol building or the U.S. Capitol. Tell your counselor what you learned about the capitol, its function, and the history.
c. Tour a federal facility. Explain to your counselor what you saw there and what you learned about its function in the local community and how it serves this nation.
d. Choose a national monument that interests you. Using books, brochures, the Internet (with your parent’s permission), and other resources, find out more about the monument. Tell your counselor what you learned, and explain why the monument is important to this country’s citizens.
Watch the national evening news five days in a row OR read the front page of a major daily newspaper five days in a row. Discuss the national issues you learned about with your counselor. Choose one of the issues and explain how it affects you and your family.
Discuss each of the following documents with your counselor. Tell your counselor how you feel life in the United States might be different without each one.
a. Declaration of Independence
b. Preamble to the Constitution
c. The Constitution
d. Bill of Rights
e. Amendments to the Constitution
List the six functions of government as noted in the preamble to the Constitution. Discuss with your counselor how these functions affect your family and local community.
With your counselor’s approval, choose a speech of national historical importance. Find out about the author, and tell your counselor about the person who gave the speech. Explain the importance of the speech at the time it was given, and tell how it applies to American citizens today. Choose a sentence or two from the speech that has significant meaning to you, and tell your counselor why.
Name the three branches of our federal government and explain to your counselor their functions. Explain how citizens are involved in each branch. For each branch of government, explain the importance of the system of checks and balances.
Name your two senators and the member of Congress from your congressional district. Write a letter about a national issue and send it to one of these elected officials, sharing your view with him or her. Show your letter and any response you receive to your counselor.

https://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Citizenship_in_the_Nation

Of course, Achmed! It is because they are just an arm of the arms industry, and have no interest in representing the best interests of everyone.

Hardly. Read up on the Cincinnati revolt.

Major gun manufacturers actually supported the Gun Control Act of 1968, no doubt because what they gained in trade protection from the Germans, Austrians, and other competitors outweighed any slowdown in sales. It was the rank-and-file that hated it.

And that hatred was stoked by the observation that the (grossly misnamed) urban “liberals” who were the strongest advocates of tightening the vise on firearms regulation were also those softest on real criminals.

Whatever your opinion of our “gun culture”, at least admit its truly grass-roots origins and nature.

Britons like gun control because it means proles disarming toffs. Americans hate gun control because it means toffs disarming proles.

Jonathan, are you any kin, maybe 12 generations away, from a guy named George, first name King?

George III wasn’t a gun controller at all. His men went after the public armories in two villages in one colony that were already in open rebellion against him, so that action has at least a plausible excuse.

At home, he was one of the better monarchs they’ve had. Like Hirohito, he seems like a decent guy who got really bad advice in his naive youth, saddling him with unnecessary enemies. I may be somewhat prejudiced on this, having attended a lecture last night by Joseph Pearce on the English Reformation, but the accomplishments of George’s reign aren’t weighted down by a long list of atrocities, as with some other “great” kings. And queens.

Joe Sobran was asked if Bill Clinton made him miss George Bush, his former target. His answer? Are you kidding? Bill Clinton makes me miss George III.

You’ve been here, what, a coupla’ years?

Since 1986, mas o menos, so that would be quite a few years/

Cruz looks pretty white to me.

Yeah, but his name ends in Z, so a second look is in order.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State

Exactly, and who is to regulate the militia well? How can you have a free State when schools in the State are having to talk about arming teachers because the State cannot defend them against militiamen like Nikolas Cruz? What is the use of having these imaginary militias, if they cannot defend the schools from terrorist attacks? Even armed cops who were present were not able to defend the school that was attacked in Florida, or the people who died in the nightclub in Orlando a while back.

Anyway, the real enemy is not the Second Amendment, which is largely irrelevant, but the NRA, which loses no opportunity to inject extreme right-wing politics into any nuanced discussion of harm reduction and tries, and often succeeds in intimidating legislators and even the weak-minded President of the US into giving credence to its bullshit.

Dr. Paul is an intelligent independent thinker and has many great ideas that I support, but on this he has got it dead wrong and seems to have forgotten his Hippocratic oath to do no harm. I guess age catches up with us all.

Of course, Achmed! It is because they are just an arm of the arms industry, and have no interest in representing the best interests of everyone.

You’ve been here, what, a coupla’ years? You don’t know much about it, so quit spouting bullshit. The NRA was created over a hundred years ago, and started off protecting free black people’s rights per Amendment II. (Possibly they’d have been better off not bothering, but some people have principles.)

Of course, they advertise guns and ammo in the magazines, oh and magazines, NOT “clips”. The NRA has been a one-issue organization, and the biggest one protecting this most important civil right of all. Granted, they wussed out in the late 1960′s – no I wasn’t around then, but I have read about this. The GAO, Gun Owners of America is a more hard-core group and deserves our support.

The job of the NRA is to promote ways to sell more guns and kill more people

Nope, again, there’s are real lack of understanding on your part. I am slightly on the cynical side, and I even commented under John Derbyshire’s* article on the subject (which you should have read) that big organizations have a main purpose to stay in business. Regarding this, I stated that I have seen them start early on the 2018 election, maybe because, till recently things have probably been slower in terms of membership/donations due to Trump not being a complete Hoplophobe like the Øb☭ma administration and people like you.

The arms industry is pretty damn small, Mr. Mason. It is one industry that still has most manufacturing in America, so that’s a good thing. It’s just not big enough to have much power at all. The NRA’s 5,000,000 or so members are 99% not involved in the industry besides as customers.

Jonathan, are you any kin, maybe 12 generations away, from a guy named George, first name King?

* BTW, there’s an imported Englishment who spends time learning to avoid spouting cntrl-left garbage to people who know better. You should learn something from him.

PS, I understand the Constitution perfectly well, as I had to pass a test to become a US citizen.

Nope, I’ve stated before that you must have cheated on that text (like most of the legal immigrants, I know), as you must have not read this part:

Amendment 2 – Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

(Bolding was not in the original.)

I am really incensed with people like you, who are possibly intelligent enough to know better, spouting your anti-Constitutional crap to people who have lived here their whole lives. Could you at least get off of Dr. Paul’s page, as he is 5 orders of magnitude more of an American than your imported ass.

What make it worse is, you’re gonna vote some time. I don’t go to England telling them they should or should not have a King or Queen, or how stupid they’ve been for letting themselves be disarmed! Yeah, maybe I would tell some Englishmen in person how stupid some things are there. They would not allow me to vote on it though.

Could you please do us a favor and move to Massachusetts, Mr. Mason? There are fewer mosquitoes, and you’d fit in better. Your vote wouldn’t make much difference up there, as they are all a bunch of Commies.

NRA stands for National Rifle Association. Can you see from that title why they don’t have any plans to improve child and adolescent mental health services?

Of course, Achmed! It is because they are just an arm of the arms industry, and have no interest in representing the best interests of everyone.

This is why we should pay no attention whatsoever to their ideas about how to protect schoolchildren, for example by arming teachers.

The job of the NRA is to promote ways to sell more guns and kill more people. Once we are straightforward about that, we should discount any suggestions they might make about school safety just as we would if the National Association of Turkeys was making suggestions about having fish for Thanksgiving Dinner.

PS, I understand the Constitution perfectly well, as I had to pass a test to become a US citizen.

Cruz looks pretty white to me.

… they and their allies in the NRA seem to be quite devoid of practical plans to improve child and adolescent mental health services in the US.

NRA stands for National Rifle Association. Can you see from that title why they don’t have any plans to improve child and adolescent mental health services? Why don’t you get on some forums where people who deal with that stuff write, and get an answer from them?

People like you, Jonathan Mason, should never have been let to immigrate from England, no matter how white you may appear. You don’t understand the Constitution, won’t learn a damn thing on unz from people who do, like Dr. Paul, and now you’re in freakin’ Florida, helping to turn a state blue. Nice going, asshole!

You have to go back!

When you analyze it, whenever people start talking about “freedom”, they are nearly always talking about someones freedom to make money with some kind of business. Clearly there are lots and lots of people who make their livings manufacturing, selling, servicing, repairing weapons and other weapon-related activities and commerce, including, perhaps, hotels and restaurants in good venison hunting areas.

Like selling any kind of product, advertising works by kidding people into deluding themselves that the product has value. The situation with people believing that Second Amendment weaponry is protecting them from the Federal Government has gotten completely out of control.

The US is not a confederation of tribal chieftaincies each ruled by a warlord, where the reach of the national government is tenuous. Using guns to resist the power of the federal government is quite futile, as Waco and Ruby Ridge showed. Yes, it is true that the government botched this events and caused numerous unnecessary deaths, but clearly the Branch Davidians could never have won their miniature war with the federal government. They actually became guinea pigs for the Second Amendment, and without the Second Amendment most of them would be alive today.

But what about my freedom to have fresh passion-fruit to make juice? It does not seem to be available in supermarkets in Florida, and yet I am not allowed to bring it or other produce in with me or import it from the Dominican Republic, where it is cheap and plentiful. If I go down to the FDA office with a semi-automatic rifle, will this make the Government more likely to pay attention to my family’s needs? I think not.

But if there are more restrictions on who can buy high-powered semiautomatic rifles and ammunition, might there not be less deaths in school invasions, might not more people survive, might the injuries of the survivors not be less serious and disabling? I think a harm reduction focus could bring some benefits and it would not really harm anyone other than weapons manufacturers and dealers.

Those intent on mass murder don’t obey gun laws.

No, but those who run businesses selling guns to mass murderers will generally have to follow laws, or else end up paying huge noncompliance fines.

We cannot stop tragedies like this by banning guns

This is true up to a point, but banning certain types of gun might lead to a lower number of deaths when these events occur, or more people surviving their injuries.

It is noticeable that while fans of the Second Amendment are quick to point to psychotropic medicines and the failure of mental health services, they and their allies in the NRA seem to be quite devoid of practical plans to improve child and adolescent mental health services in the US.

We need to look seriously into the psychotropic drugs that more and more Americans are being prescribed.

Quite so, Mr. Paul. And what have you, a physician, and your son, who is also a medical man done to improve mental health services in the US? You have been one of the leading physicians in US politics for decades and what exactly have you achieved in this area? What have you been saying about mental health all these decades?

What about Trump? As a physician, don’t you think the man is crazy and that his latest idea to turn schools into shooting galleries is really jumping the shark?

Or are you so afraid that someone will take away your pop-gun, that you don’t care how many of other people’s children have to die over this Second Amendment foolishness?

So now Trump is considering making pointless changes to gun laws and regulations thanks to a bunch of narcissistic 16-18 year old high school students and their parents who love the sound of their own voices and think their experts on guns and social policy.

The failures here are many fold before attending to outlawing weapons”

1. parental
2. school
3. community
4. psychiatric
5. local authorities
6 the FBI

But all in all, we are just rarely able to predict who afflicted with what is going to engage in some manner of violent revenge. Murder is a rare occurrence, in fact, given the population, it is an abnormality. In this case there appear to have been some obvious signs that without intervention – violence would result in the immediate. I am not include to put much faith in psychiatric pre-emption. Psychiatry get a lot of data sets incorrect. They are not unknown misdiagnose, over/incorrectly prescribe medications.

Within the classification of murders mass shootings rarer still. The best solutions to most crimes of this nature is the value vested in developing personal relationships. I find it an odd suggestion given the vapid polity of anti-bullying campaigns, and “trigger settings” that this community (including his academic community) permitted someone as ostracized as this young man was to slip between their sensitive souled fingers.

A few suggestions:

-spend more money on helping the seriously mentally ill, at the moment people are scared to report mentally ill relatives to the authorities out of fear they will be arrested and imprisoned (the US leads the West in imprisoning psychotics)

-make gun laws more uniform across states and allow concealed carry in schools and colleges

-don’t reveal details about the killers for at least six months after their crime.

Note, other Anglo countries also dish out lots of antidepressants, so its unlikely they are significant cause of gun violence.

It’s been nothing but hysteria and Piers Morgan style preening since the shooting. Now Trump has partially cucked and ordered the DOJ to outlaw bump stocks and is considering bumping up the legal age to procure long guns to 21 even though he has no power to do these things.

The left just wants to use dead kids to disarm the deplorables.

Cruz belonged in a psychiatric institution. The focus should also be on anti-depressants since some can induce mania as a side effect.

If anything needs banning it’s cultural Marxism since it’s turned America into an open air insane asylum. The second amendment isn’t the problem.

I’m sure e-verify will work out as well as the “no fly list” has .

How many are dying every day from the CIA/Mossad heroin/meth epidemic, how many every day from Big Pharma opioids?
How many suicides every day, how many Vet suicides, how many Vets homeless, there are homeless camps popping up in rural Ga. now, we’ve never see anything like this before.
Yet you won’t hear the media or puppets in congress crying out in outrage over these real issues. No protests.

America is 100% corrupt, top to bottom, international corporations, banksters, Zionists, Wall St parasites are calling the shots, and they’re profiting from all of these man made epidemics, the “media” works for the same criminal cabal, so not a peep out of them.
Until something is done about the bribery, blackmail, corruption murder in DC and local govts. don’t expect any change.
End the Fed scam.

Right on, Dr. Paul, and with regard to your 2nd/3rd paragraphs: You may know, but others would not believe how many thousands of people in (EACH) agencies like the IRS, FDA, and many others go get gun training at Glynco, Brunswick, Georgia from the Feds and can carry guns around. How many damn onerous laws do we have in modern America to require these people to feel they many need to shoot Americans while being from the government and here to help you?

Let the Feral Gov’t disarm first – then we can talk about gun control (we can talk, but I won’t change my mind anyway).

While we’re at it, let’s look beyond the left’s delusional narrative of human cognitive equality, too: America doesn’t have a gun violence problem, America has a black and brown violence problem.

Let’s face it, libertarians are lined up with the left and the cucked right when it comes to acquiescing to the delusional narrative of human cognitive equality.

They’re all peas in a pod.

Why does it always seem that the shooter in these mass killings has been on some kind of psychotropic drugs? As the New American magazine pointed out this week, at least ten high profile mass shootings have been committed by individuals who “were either on — or just recently coming off of — psychiatric medications.”

Seems like half the country is on psych meds at this point.

Invading the world is a perfectly reasonable political goal if good results can be obtained at a reasonable cost.

Tôjô would agree. Lindbergh would not.

I guess the Lone Eagle wasn’t as American as the Razor. Nor as concerned with “white interests”, whether implicit or ex-.

Liberty isn’t always bad, but there are many problems for which the answer is not liberty.

Immigration is a very obvious example–complete liberty here would result in the destruction of America.

Hmm, not really. True liberty starts with preservation of liberty, which open borders destroy. Homogeneous states are the way to preserve liberty; those with the DNA or “cultural DNA,” if you really must stick your head in the sand, can preserve liberty, while those who can’t or won’t are walled out.

It’s like not being so capitalist you sell the rope to hang you to communists.

For hundreds of years of Icelandic history, liberty was the solution to every problem.

But, if in that happy new land you hope to build without liberty, you ever have anxiety about your moniker not sounding quite Nordic enough, I’m happy to help out with several with much stronger suggestions.

I like liberty. I like it a lot.

I don’t like libertarians though. Libertardians. Most of them are spergs.

Libertardians would sacrifice liberty on the altar of radical individualism, anti-nationalism, and open borders.

Atomized individuals can’t defend borders, nations, peoples, or liberty.

The other guy is right; time for libertardians to go away.

AGREED!

“If we’d pursued a larger middle class back then, or limited big business; we probably would have won. Libertarians wouldn’t let us. People were paranoid of “socialists”.”

So, the evil and powerful libertarians foiled your plans to “limit big business”. If you two had any idea what morons you appear to be with such ridiculous statements, you would probably STFU.

Sorry for the interruption. You and Ms. Finnsdottir can go back to swapping spit and dry humping in the corner now.

Libertarianism didn’t serve white interests. It was largely a vehicle for manipulating whites, with some positives.

If we’d pursued a larger middle class back then, or limited big business; we probably would have won. Libertarians wouldn’t let us. People were paranoid of “socialists”.

Ron Unz’s proposal of a higher minimum wage was an excellent attack on the state. Libertarians hated it. “That sounds socialist.” Unz argued it’s better to pay workers more than to have the state redistribute wealth. And others noted how it would reduce business desire to import cheap labour if the minimum wage limited how far market wages could be hammered down.

Libertarians still mumbled about “socialism”…

Now things are so bad that more extreme, and risky, proposals are considered. Ideology is a disaster. Libertarianism wasn’t the only enemy, but it was an important enemy.

Since you invented “wrongism”, you might be able to tell me something: if someone is accused of “wrongism”, and they recant, are they now guilty of wrongwasm?

Wrongedism.

“I’m not a country. But I did invent the concept of wrongism. And you are a wrongist.”

Since you invented “wrongism”, you might be able to tell me something: if someone is accused of “wrongism”, and they recant, are they now guilty of wrongwasm?

“It’s offensive to still be libertarian, as libertarianism was simply an implicit vehicle for white interests.”

I’m a little younger than Ron Paul, and I’m not a libertarian, but I will become one just to offend you. You sound like some whining little SJW: “OMG, that’s SOOOOOOO OFFENSIIIIIVE”.

Maybe you can explain how your right to be protected from offense supersedes the right of another man to choose whatever political philosophy he likes. Go be offended if it suits you, just don’t expect anyone else to bring you a jar of butthurt salve.

Made ya mad, huh? Well, geezer, have some notion of what you’re talking about, and you won’t have to get angry.

Nope, not a libertarian. Libertarian principles can sound good, sure. Some can work, most cannot.

I like Plato’s model better, but it certainly isn’t perfect.

Gittelson:

So you’re a “right libertarian” or some such?

Fuck off.

I like Ron Paul but he’s wrong here. E-verify is pretty simple to use and isn’t much of burden on business. And the false negative rate is very low, with procedures in place to rectify situations where a citizen or legal resident doesn’t pass. It is grossly irresponsible to say that “millions of Americans could be denied jobs”, the system isn’t anywhere near that inaccurate. As for the dangers of a national id, between social security numbers and drivers licenses that water passed under the bridge long ago.

The biggest opponents of E-verify are businesses that want to violate the law by hiring illegal immigrants. It’s as simple as that.

Can you still oppose it, though? Why are you so sure that your side will remain in power and that these tools will not later be used against you?

LOL about the Academie. They incorporate changes all the time; they have no more power to stop language change than any authoritative dictionary committee in the English-speaking world.

Libertarianism is a proper subset of liberalism. If one isn’t a liberal, then one isn’t a libertarian. QED.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. None whatsoever.