By your own admission “The White Helmets have certainly saved some lives under dangerous circumstances” – of course these people are not professionals. They’re training on the job and saving lives by your own admission. More than 150 have been killed and they get paid a paltry 150 dollars a month for their efforts.
If I was a child in a bombed building do you think I would give a damn who trained them or who paid for them, as long as they’re saving my life?
The reporting in Syria leaves much to be desired on both sides but I would no more trust a stooge from the Assad regime to give factual accounts. Most of the ‘writers’ are not trained journalists, they are incapable of disseminating information; accept free flights and five star hotels from which to write their pap under the watchful eye of a brutal regime. I’ve reported from ‘inside’ Assad’s regime and have ‘enjoyed’ the lavish hospitality give to foreign journalists before. The minders make sure you speak to the ‘right people’ who are picked in advance of your arrival and groomed to say what the regime wants them to say. Most trained journalists can spot this but sadly the gullible, useful idiots in the care of the regime can’t. This is illustrated by their constant demonisation of possibly the only force for good within Syria at the moment – the White Helmets who are putting their lives at risk to save others.

Hollywood buys into yet another lie

This is awesome to see. Commentary has been elevated to reporting on the mental state of decision-makers. No longer, is the populace seen as oblivious. The propaganda sellers may be the last to know.

Not quite. An herbalist, perhaps…And you, a hasbeenist?

Yes, yes it is. The CIA and the State Department are teaching them (out of the goodness of their hearts, naturally) how to manipulate the political discussion in the host nation.

‘Manipulte the political discussion’? I guess in your sovok Orwellian dialect that must mean ‘freedom of expression’…Let me guess,your employer resides in the Kremlin?

Teaching young folks how to better utilize facebook, twitter,flikr etc; real dangerous stuff here

Yes, yes it is. The CIA and the State Department are teaching them (out of the goodness of their hearts, naturally) how to manipulate the political discussion in the host nation. Unsurprisingly, it led to bloodshed and misery.

You are very, very transparent, Hack. A negative value for your employers.

Phil,
One more question. You used the term “dirty oil”. By that do you mean the oil with bitumen produced from Canada’s tar sands region? Bitumen is just another mined product. It is used to seal pavement cracks. Useful material.

Typically the chemical engineers classify crude oil in other terminology. They assay each newly discovered field to categorize the crude. Specific gravity, sulphur content, CO2 content, percent of volatiles, etc.

Heck, every kind of crude oil is pretty dirty stuff. Ask anybody who works on producing wells. It does need to be handled carefully. If we can put a man on the moon, we can handle crude oil!

Back to the main topic – I’m with Pat Buchanan regarding our dealings with Russia. It is ridiculous that we sell billions of $$ of advanced war machines to head-chopping Wahabbi Moslems while we antagonize a White Christian (sort of) nation that has lots of nukes. Neo-con policies are insane.

You see, I am not the only one to detect the signs of a hasbarist. Whether your ancestry is Jewish or Ukrainian (or both), your russophobic and pro-ziocon attitude is not amusing. But your manipulative style is.

Don’t you like the results of the 26 years of the US “helping”?

Sure beats over 400 years of Russia ‘helping’!

I watched the whole video. Teaching young folks how to better utilize facebook, twitter,flikr etc; real dangerous stuff here (I suppose the sharpshooter classes were held behind the building?). I think that your’re overreacting or just plain hallucinating?

Mr. Hasbara: “…nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point.”

“…to a certain point?” The agents were firmly in place at least 2 years before: “TechCamp Kyiv 2012″

Mr. Hasbara must be rubbing his hands together in Tel Aviv while Soros-funded #resist Color Revolution unfolds in US, pink pussy rioters take to the streets, and the Congress submits to abrogation of Constitutional rights – starting with Freedom of Speech.

Meanwhile, American patriots, take note of how they did it:

US TECH CAMPS in Ukraine Coup

“If Poroshenko doesn’t get his act together, he may be next!”

Something tells me that you are not going to risk your life on the barricades. How much time was left before the election in Ukraine when Nuland-Kagan & Co pushed for the regime change — some 2-3 months? Considering the available historical documents re the consequence of revolutions for the ordinary people, only a teenager with a poor self-control or a provocateur with an agenda would cheerlead for another revolution in Ukraine, particularly when some democratic mechanisms are (and were in 2014) still available.
And then you posted this ridiculous spiel by a puppet from State Dept.:
“Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance…” — Don’t you like the results of the 26 years of the US “helping”? Perhaps you are not aware that the US is in the most cordial relationships with the Kingdom of Saud, the main sponsor of terrorism (after the US). There was even a Miracle of Passports after 9/11, when the immaculate IDs for 14 Saudis (out of 19 high-jackers) were found among the debris of WTC towers and No 7. There were also the jubilant Israeli art students who had been whisked swiftly away from the US to the safety of Israel. These ominous signs produced no adverse influence on the US relationships with either Saudi or Israel. “Support the troops,” in short.
Look, the US has never bothered with democracy when the absence of democracy and even the most bloody dictatorships suited the US interests. The US needs a festering wound on the border with Russia, the ordinary Ukrainians be damned. Ukraine had lost her independence in 2014. Monsanto et al are welcome.
Here is a general observation: Your sanctimonious posts don’t sound right. First, you produced some insinuations of an obscure Ukrainian politician who “discovered” that Russians did Maidan. Then you tried to reject the facts of the neo-Nazis’ involvement in Maidan revolution and beyond (up to their direct representation in the current Ukrainian government). Then you cited the corruption of the former Ukrainian president as the main reason for his bloody removal (100 people died in Kiev and thousands more died in East Ukraine, the absolute majority of the victims are civilians); and then, in the same breath, you proclaimed that “corruption going on around the whole world.” This contortionist style could be OK for the “experts” at the Atlantic Council, but this forum is no AC.

You are funny. Nuland-Kagan gave you the number – $5.000.000.000- and you are making gentle noises about “moral support.”

Not quite as funny as you are though. The five billion figure was not some sort of secret slush fund used to topple the noble Yanukovych clan from power, but an amount used to aid all sorts of needy project in Ukraine over a 20 year period. The amount was not unusual as the US spends these sorts of funds in its relations with many,many countries around the world every year:

Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations,” she said. “We have invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.”..The insinuation that the United States incited the people of Ukraine to riot or rebel is patently false,” said Nicole Thompson, a State Department spokeswoman…About $2.4 billion went to programs promoting peace and security, which could include military assistance, border security, human trafficking issues, international narcotics abatement and law enforcement interdiction, Thompson said. More money went to categories with the objectives of “governing justly and democratically” ($800 million), “investing in people” ($400 million), economic growth ($1.1 billion), and humanitarian assistance ($300 million)…Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

Wow! what a revelation: there’s corruption going on around the whole world, including the US. So, why loose any sleep over Ukrainians that were willing to do something about one of the worst corrupt leaders at that time? If Poroshenko doesn’t get his act together, he may be next! At least in the US, many criminal politicians and white collar no gooders end up in prison. Not so in Russia and Ukraine. Just take a close look at all of the federal and state politicians who are in prison today, since 2010:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

Show me a similar list of malfeasers in either Russia or Ukraine?

“..nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents…”

You are funny. Nuland-Kagan gave you the number – $5.000.000.000- and you are making gentle noises about “moral support.”

Would you like if some stranger (with an eye on your possessions) comes to your house to teach you how to treat your mom & dad? You are cheerleading for the supremely wise State dept/CIA that “always know better” and thus “have the right” to redo any established democratic procedures. (Iraq, Libya, Syria? – have you heard about this formerly functioning states that were “remodeled” and “improved” by the “moral support” from US?)

“…the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime.”
Well. The corruption was endemic within the Obama regime. The corruption was endemic within the Bush regime…. Just a little lesson for you: currenty, the Pentagon cannot account for $6 trillion. Would you qualify this as a corruption? Would you like if some Russia or Germany or Venezuela send their emissaries from their State Depts and secret services to install a “proper” president to your country of residence? Please tell us about the crystal-clear souls in the current Ukrainian government. According to you, after Yanukovyvh was gone, there is no corruption in Ukraine. Is this true?

You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, “…a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.” This is not just naivete – this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere.

Of course it was homegrown. And nobody is denying that the US sent in its own moral support agents once things had got to a certain point. But the movement was homegrown, people were dissatisfied with the corruption that was endemic within the Yanukovyvh regime. No amount of Nuland’s cookies and milk could have insured that hundreds of thousands of protesters would brave the cold weather and physical violence endured by the security services. If you have eyes and ears, see for yourself the fierce sense of Ukrainian patiotism evident on film for history to judge, the ‘Revolution of Dignity’:

‘The highly respectable Sierra Club’ – I must disagree.

The Sierra Club used to be against government policies that encouraged rapid population growth, because it is rapid population growth that is the dominant source of environmental degradation. Then a billionaire with an arguable stake in cheap labor bribed the leadership of the Sierra Club, and now their party line is that governmentally-forced or -encouraged rapid population growth has no impact on the environment. (Check out “Sierrans for Population Stabilization” for the full story).

This about-face for the Sierra Club on population did not come about by careful analysis or reasoned debate, but because the leadership had been bribed. While the primary reason was to help stifle criticism of the ongoing US cheap-labor immigration policy, the global impact has been massive: the Sierra Club can no longer voice coherent arguments against for instance the Syrian government’s policy of banning birth control and propagandizing that it was every woman’s patriotic duty to have six kids each – a policy that resulted in that small arid country running out of water and, I think, was a primary underlying cause for much of the recent misery there.

But I digress a bit. The Sierra Club has a documented history of changing its official position on matters of substance for cash donations. That’s not a guess, it’s a fact. Whether this happened on other matters like fracking I cannot say, but I would certainly not call them respectable, not anymore.

‘I was mostly critical of you’
Sure, let’s go to the beginning of our exchange. You write, “No comment regarding the obtrusive and deadly amalgamation of FSB personnel in Ukraine during these events?”

You went into a fit re the principled and courageous Chussidovsky because you missed the original date of publication of the Chossudovsky article, and yet you were comfortable to promoting the lies.
“These events” were played according to a protocol of regime change, which was finessed by the US through many other regime changes (you could google the exact number of US-sponsored regime changes and other “humanitarian Interventions”).

You also write about the regime change in Ukraine, “…a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.” This is not just naivete – this is pernicious propaganda in support for ziocon policies in Ukraine and elsewhere. Whether Ukraine, or Libya, or Syria, the ziocons love to trumpet about the supposedly “homegrown” movements. And then one of the ziocons, like the odious Nuland-Kagan, steps up and reveals that a certain number of billions of dollars was dedicated to – guess what? – to the “promotion of democracy” in a poor victim. How much was invested in Ukraine? – some $5 billions? ($5.000.000.000 – never mind; just a pocket change for the deciders – though from the US citizenry’ pockets, of course). Here is the “promotion of democracy’ and “homegrown movement” in Syria: http://www.voltairenet.org/en

Hey, Geo. It’s late at night. Where is Alexander (and other ranters about money)? He’d like this conversation between Cynthia McKinney and Catherine Austin Fitts about $$$$$, the Constitution, Deep State elites, and Israel. (More from Fitts is at The Solari Report, solari.com)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPaP8cBdukc&feature=youtu.be

Just A Taste: Enforce the US Constitution with Dr. Cynthia McKinney

Yes, the reprinted article was originally printed in 2014. Then why have you attacked the courageous Chussidovsky – because of your own neglect?

I was mostly critical of you, for relying on dated information that no longer reflected accurate realities in Ukraine 3 years on. Chussodovsky could be criticized for reprinting the article, and not giving an update on the situation. He was able to deceive you, who hadn’t noticed that the information was now dated and 3 years old.

Yes, the reprinted article was originally printed in 2014. Then why have you attacked the courageous Chussidovsky – because of your own neglect?
Actually, my posts relied on “heavily” on many other sources; the Chussidovsky’s article was quoted only once. The main point of my posts was the involvement of ziocons in the destruction and desecration of Ukraine (which you tried strenuously to deny). At least, you have finally admitted that the US government has been cooperating with Ukrainian neo-Nazis.
The pernicious influence of ziocons affects the US internal policies as well: https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/
“THE CRIMINALIZATION OF political speech and activism against Israel has become one of the gravest threats to free speech in the West.”

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. Have you noticed the date when Mr. Chossudovsky wrote his article?

Yep, I sure have. The article that you rely so heavily on was first published in Global Research on March 4, 2014, and then for some inexpicable reason it was reprinted on March 4, 2017. A lot has transpired in the interceding 3 years, and you seem to have relapsed into a time warp and you don’t seem to be able to move forward. Try rapping your mind around this one, as we speak, there are 7 Svoboda representatives within the Ukrainian prliament, 1% of the total of 450 representatives. It’s halfway through 2017 now, and at the moment the Svoboda party is inconsequential with little or no direct input into any policies made in Ukraine today. It’s 2017, not 2014, get it?

1. You are incorrigible: “The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with.” – At least not the “most UNZ readers” as you wrote before. Please don’t project your own identification with Svoboda party on UNZ readers. Admire the “Svobodists” at your own peril.

2. Nice that you agreed that Svoboda party had/has its representatives in the Ukrainian government (https://freeukrainenow.org/tag/svoboda; Wikipedia: “Since 14 April 2016 the Chairman of the Ukrainian Parliament has been Andriy Parubiy, the co-founder of the neo-Nazi ‘Social-National Party of Ukraine.” You should reread your previous posts where you rejected outright the fact that the regime change in Kiev in 2014 was accomplished in the context of the ziocons’ collaboration with the local (and perhaps Polish) neo-Nazis.

3. Have you noticed the date when Mr. Chossudovsky wrote his article?

4. Last but not the least: The ziocons’ policies – including their amoral benevolent tolerance towards and even cooperation with Ukrainian neo-Nazis – have brought a civil war upon the country and they turned the lives of the ordinary Ukrainians, including the members of the Jewish community, into a hell: See the neo-Nazi parades in various cities of western Ukraine, as well as the sharp increase in the incidence of desecration of Jewish cemeteries and synagogues. Or it is anti-semitic to mention that the ziocons’ policies in Ukraine have been disastrous for the general population there?

Wiktionary: Ziocon (plural Ziocons) – a neoconservative Zionist

Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”

If you’re going to quote me, then at least be honest enough not to change my wording.What I wrote was:

Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with. Why, is characterizing the UNS Review as a gathering point of alt right thinkers really all that controversial?

I admit that most of the individuals that you’ve pointed out at one time or another had associations with the Svoboda party. I’ve also pointed out, that most of these individuals are not currently associated with Svoboda, or no longer have any role in the government. This is 2017, and everything you’ve cited goes back to 2014, three and a half years ago. I’ve cited information that indicates that there are currently only 6 representatives in the pariament that belong to the Svoboda party. You indicate that there are 36. I’m looking at the most recent information that shows that because Svoboda did not pass the 5% threshold it doesn’t even merit its own separate voting bloc, but is lopped together with 5 other political parties within the ‘People’s Will’ conglomerate. All totaled, these six parties hold 18 positions, with Svoboda holding 7 seats. I was off by 1 figure, you’re off by 29. So, you see, you and Mr. Chossudovsky are blowing smoke…because it just aint so annamaria!

People’s Will is a parliamentary group. Parliamentary groups consist of non-partisan deputies or representatives of parties that did not overcome election threshold (i.e. Svoboda, Strong Ukraine, etc.)…Parties that did not pass the 5% threshold of the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Svoboda (7 seats), Right Sector (1 seat), Strong Ukraine (1 seat), Volia (1 seat), and Zastup (1 seat) are part of non-affiliated.[22] After the 17 July 2016 constituency mid-term elections the parties UKROP and Our Land joined them. 3]/blockquote>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Ukrainian_Verkhovna_Rada

Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”

If you’re going to quote me, then at least be honest enough not to change my wording.What I wrote was:

Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

The Svoboda party is similar to many alt-right parties in Europe. The type of parties that I think many of UNZ readers can identify with. Why, is characterizing the UNS Review as a gathering point of alt right thinkers really all that controversial?

I admit that most of the individuals that you’ve pointed out at one time or another had associations with the Svoboda party. I’ve also pointed out, that most of these individuals are not currently associated with Svoboda, or no longer have any role in the government. This is 2017,and everything you’ve cited goes back to 2014, three and a half years ago. I’ve cited information that indicates that there are currently only 6 representatives in the pariament that belong to the Svoboda party. You indicate that there are 36. I’m looking at the most recent information that shows that because Svoboda did not pass the 5% threshold it doesn’t even merit its own separate voting bloc, but is lopped together with 5 other political parties within the ‘People’s Will’ conglomerate. All totaled, these six parties hold 18 positions, with Svoboda holding 7 seats. I was off by 1 figure, you’re off by 29. So, you see, you and Mr. Chossudovsky are blowing smoke…because it just aint so annamaria!

People’s Will is a parliamentary group. Parliamentary groups consist of non-partisan deputies or representatives of parties that did not overcome election threshold (i.e. Svoboda, Strong Ukraine, etc.)…Parties that did not pass the 5% threshold of the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, Svoboda (7 seats), Right Sector (1 seat), Strong Ukraine (1 seat), Volia (1 seat), and Zastup (1 seat) are part of non-affiliated.[22] After the 17 July 2016 constituency mid-term elections the parties UKROP and Our Land joined them. 3]/blockquote>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Ukrainian_Verkhovna_Rada

Thanks, I read the links. The Investopedia link was kind of thin. The Wiki article has a good outline of topics.
I agree the issues of water use quantity and recycling used frac water need to be addressed. Places like the Permian Basin are arid. Farmers in PA and OH should not have to compete with energy giants and pay high prices for water.
I’ve read that oilfield services companies are devising ways to treat and re-use frac water. That would conserve the H2O and minimize releases of unwanted substances.
But most of the Wiki article is of a suggestive nature – “there are concerns … studies should be conducted …”
Where Wiki reports conclusions of research, they typically dispel concerns.
An example from the “Health Effects” section:
“In 2011 in Garfield County, Colorado, the U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry collected air samples at 14 sites, including 8 oil and gas sites, 4 urban background sites, and 2 rural background sites. and detected carcinogens such as benzene, tetrachloroethene, and 1–4 dichlorobenzene at all the sites, both oil and gas sites, and background sites. Benzene was detected at 7 out of 8 oil and gas sites, in all 4 urban areas, and one out of the 2 rural background sites. The compound 1,4-dichlorobezene was detected in 3 out of 8 oil and gas sites, 3 out of 4 urban sites, and 1 out of 2 rural background sites. The benzene concentrations at one of the eight oil and gas sites was identified as cause for concern, because although it was within the acceptable range, it was near the upper limit of the range. The report concluded: “With the exception of the Brock site, these risk estimates do not appear to represent a significant theoretical cancer risk at any of the sites, nor does it appear that that the theoretical cancer risk is elevated at oil and gas development sites as compared to urban or rural background sites.”
Fracing is a heavy industrial process that needs careful supervision. A good thing is the fracing occurs usually a mile or deeper underground, giving quite a safety barrier for mishaps. And the many regulatory agencies (state, federal) already have eyes on the matter.

Fracking is an enormous boon to humanity, because of the way it alleviates the burden of poverty by reducing fuel costs. The difference between a $150 and a $300/month wintertime home heating bill means very little to me, but for the elderly poor trying to get by on $700/month social security, it could make an enormous difference in quality of life. And, cheaper polymer precursors lower the cost of all kinds of consumer products. My complaint is with the profligate rate at which we are using up our mineral wealth. What’s the big hurry to beggar our posterity? Wouldn’t we rather beggar Saudi Arabia’s posterity first? It’s madness to run baseload power plants on natural gas, the highest grade of fuel, that should go instead to domestic furnaces, clothes dryers and kitchen ranges. Meanwhile, coal combustion has been priced out of the market by envirohysteria. Our great-grandchildren will resent the fact that the era of cheap natural gas is as dead as the passenger pigeon, but screw-em – what has our posterity ever done for us, anyway?

Neo-Nazi Svoboda party in Ukraine – “the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.”
Speak for yourself. You can’t help yourself but insert provocations.

The story of the US-sponsored coup d’etat in Kiev began with the US ziocons support for Ukrainian neo-Nazis. This simple fact was/is very uncomfortable for you and you avoid it in your “research.” https://nsnbc.me/2014/02/24/us-administration-directly-supports-neo-nazis-ukraine-parliament/
“Claims that there are no Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and the Ukrainian parliament, and that the USA does not support Fascists, have been rebutted at numerous occasions. … Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, points out that Svoboda, a Neo-Nazi party, is the fourth biggest party in the Ukraine, holding 36 seats out of 450 in parliament. Svoboda is directly supported by Washington.”

http://humansarefree.com/2014/03/the-us-installed-neo-nazi-government-of.html

“Andriy Parubiy, a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (subsequently renamed Svoboda) was appointed Secretary of the National Security and National Defense Committee (RNBOU). He is referred to by the Western media as the “kommandant” of the EuroMaidan movement.
Dmytro Yarosh, leader of the Right Sector delegation in the parliament, has been appointed Parubiy’s deputy Secretary of the RNBOU. Yarosh was the leader of the Brown Shirt Neo-Nazi paramilitary during the EuroMaidan “protest” movement.
The Neo Nazi party also controls the judicial process with the appointment of Oleh Makhnitsky of the Svoboda party to the position of prosecutor-general of Ukraine.
Cabinet positions were also allocated to former members of the Neo-Nazi fringe organization Ukrainian National Assembly – Ukrainian National Self Defense (UNA-UNSO). This is a proxy government which enables the US, NATO and EU to interfere in Ukraine’s internal affairs and dismantle its bilateral relations with the Russian Federation. It should be understood, however, that the Neo-Nazis do not ultimately call the shots: Under a “regime of indirect rule” they take their orders on crucial military and foreign policy issues –including the deployment of troops directed against the Russian federation– from the the US State Department, the Pentagon and NATO.”

The rise of antisemitism in Ukraine (see my previous posts in response to yours) has been directly related to the ziocons’ collaboration with Ukrainian neo-Nazis during the regime change in 2014. Similar to the perfidious collaboration of US/Israel with the “moderate” Al Qaeda/ISIS “freedom fighters,” the US active cooperation with the neo-Nazis has resulted in the tragic consequences for the ordinary local people.

Please take this “type of parties” that you “feel quite comfortable in supporting” to your beloved Israel, but spare the suffering country of Ukraine: http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/359770/brazilian-neo-nazis-head-to-ukraine-to-fight-in-civil-war/

Blowing smoke again where there’s no fire? You’ve found two individuals with ties to the far-right party of Svoboda? Andriy Parubiy left Svoboda in 2004, more than 13 years ago. Oleksandr Sych, resigned a lower cabinet post in 2014 to pursue other political aspirations.

Svoboda failed to overcome the 5% threshold in the October 26 parliamentary elections, whereas six of its representatives were elected to the parliament in single-seat constituencies.

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/234059.html

So, out of 450 Ukrainian representatives, six represent the Svoboda party, that translate into 1% representation. It’s commendable that you concentrate so much of your time and energy on a party that cannot muster more that 5% support nationally, and only has a 1% representation in the parliament. BTW, the rest of Europe is littered with similar ‘alt-right’ political parties that wield a lot more influence in their respective countries than Svoboda does in Ukraine – the type of parties that I think most UNZ readers feel quite comfortable in supporting.

BTW, don’t look for me to defend the Svoboda party’s usage of NAZI symbolism. I’m not a fan of this party, and like I’ve already said, am more interested in political currents that represent 97% of the Ukrainian political landscape.

It is obvious for the UNZ readers that you are a troll. Unlike other commenters, I see a silver lining in your (and like your) presence on this forum: Your supposedly child-like insistence on your supposedly child-like “innocent” points (that smack of provocation) helps to recapitulate on the important aspects of the empire’s policies.
For instance, you feign innocence re neo-Nazis in Ukraine and you even insist that you have done a “research.” First, you have “overlooked” the articles that were posted for you in the previous correspondence. Second, for a change, here is Huffington Post, a popular site for commenters: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html
This reference is not only for you but for other eager defenders of ziocons, who occasionally come on this site to protest the “antisemitism” of the facts.
“Andriy Parubiy, the new secretary of Ukraine’s security council, was a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), otherwise known as Svoboda. And his deputy, Dmytro Yarosh, is the leader of a party called the Right Sector which, according to historian Timothy Stanley, “flies the old flag of the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators at its rallies. The highest-ranking right-wing extremist is Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych, also a member of Svoboda… The Svoboda party has tapped into Nazi symbolism including the “wolf’s angel“ rune, which resembles a swastika and was worn by members of the Waffen-SS, a panzer division that was declared a criminal organization at Nuremberg. A report from Tel-Aviv University describes the Svoboda party as “an extremist, right-wing, nationalist organization which emphasizes its identification with the ideology of German National Socialism. Last week Per Anders Rudling from Lund University in Sweden, an expert on Ukrainian extremists, told Britain’s Channel 4 News: “A neo-fascist party like Svoboda getting the deputy prime minister position is news in its own right.”

There is no such thing as ‘ freedom of speech’ at a private site such as UNZ.com. Their moderators can censor you, me, anybody for any reason or no reason at all.

How right you are. Speaking of censoring, I’ve just been blacklisted by antiwar.com. The offending post?:

Great stuff, Skywalker.

For some reason Justin is a little reluctant to identify what most neocons have in common and what may be the driving force behind their attempts to vilify Putin and start WWIII. He came very close to doing so, however, when he wrote this paragraph:

“I know where it’s coming from. Tucker’s viewers may not know that Boot is a Russian immigrant, who – like so many of our Russophobic warmongers – arrived on our shores with his hatred of the motherland packed in his suitcase. There’s a whole platoon of them: Cathy Young, who recently released her polemic arguing for a new cold war with Russia in the pages of Reason magazine; Atlantic writer and tweeter of anti-Trump obscenities Julia Ioffe, whose visceral hatred for her homeland is a veritable monomania; Gary Kasparov, the former chess champion who spends most of his energy plotting revenge against Vladimir Putin and a Russian electorate that has consistently rejected his hopeless presidential campaigns, and I could go on but you get the picture.”

To help some of his readers connect the dots, here’s a little background info on each of these individuals:

[Max] Boot was born in Moscow. His parents, both Russian Jews, later emigrated from the Soviet Union to Los Angeles, where he was raised.

[Cathy Young] – ONE DAY in February 1979, a Russian Jew named Ekaterina Jung confided to her 16-year-old classmates in Moscow’s Sokolniki District School Number One that her family had decided to emigrate to the United States.

[Julia] Ioffe was born in Moscow and her family immigrated to the United States in 1990 when Ioffe was 7; they were legal immigrants who according to Ioffe were “fleeing anti-Semitism” in the Soviet Union due to being of Jewish descent.

[Garry] Kasparov was born Garik Kimovich Weinstein in Baku, Azerbaijan SSR (now Azerbaijan), Soviet Union. His father, Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein, was Russian Jewish, and his mother, Klara Shagenovna Gasparian, was Armenian.

Lt. Colonel Peters – [He] showed his Zionist colours when espousing in an interview with The Jewish Press the most inane of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiments that would warm the heart of any Jewish zealot. Answering a question he stated that Americans would only sufficiently respond to Islam when there is an increase in Islamic terrorism on American soil. – Zionism, Islam and The West, Kerry Bolton 2015, Black House Publishing Ltd.

So, antiwar.com, supposedly one of the premiere non-interventionist websites, is banning commenters who insist on exposing the ethnic backgrounds of individuals who are keen on stoking the resurgence of Cold War 2 to benefit the villa in the jungle by dismantling the Shia Arc.

Can’t think of a better reason for banning someone who truly believes in non-intervention, can you?

Hmmmm, I hadn’t known of nor considered that. Thanks Geo.

{ Whatever happened to freedom of speech, I’m sure that Mr. Unz would agree.}

There is no such thing as ‘ freedom of speech’ at a private site such as UNZ.com. Their moderators can censor you, me, anybody for any reason or no reason at all. First Amendment _only_ applies to the Government.

And poster [NoseytheDuke] did not ask UNZ.com to restrict your non-existent ‘freedom’ of speech @unz.com: said poster only asked other posters to ignore youse and others.

I really think the responsible and fair-minded commenters here need to reconsider the feeding of the trolls…I’m pretty sure it’s not what Ron Unz wants.

Previous comment by our host on this topic:

Actually, I would argue that debating even with obvious “trolls” may have substantial value…

Consider that over 99% of the readers of this website or the individual comment-threads do not participate as commenters. Therefore, any arguments you make are much better addressed to that large, silent audience of third-party readers than the particular commenter whom you’re engaging. This is the downside of dishonest, stupid, “trollish” behavior. If you reply politely and effectively to such arguments, mustering a great deal of credible evidence, you’ll certainly not convince your silly opponent, but you may convince the hundreds or even thousands of other individuals who read the exchange, either at that time or much later.

http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/crunch-time-with-iran/#comment-997627

Your dishonest pleas for some sort of supposed missing civility is touching, but not really very convincing. What really disturbs you is that someone out there is posting opinions that you find to be opposite to ones that you, in your ‘lovely neighborhood’, hold dear and near. How dare someone have a differing opinion? He must be a ‘troll’,why else would he cut against the grain. As long as I’m civil in my tone (and I have been), why bother to censor me and my views? Whatever happened to freedom of speech, I’m sure that Mr. Unz would agree.

I really think the responsible and fair-minded commenters here need to reconsider the feeding of the trolls, people like Mr Hack, attilathehen, Sean, Quartermaster, Wizard of Oz (I’m sure I’ve omitted many others) who just clutter and degrade this website, which is actually their intent. I’m pretty sure it’s not what Ron Unz wants.

It’s a bit like if we all lived on a lovely street where neighbours exchange friendly greetings, keep an eye out for trouble and keep the houses and gardens nice until a couple of slobbish families move in strewing trash everywhere, inviting rowdy guests over and neglecting the properties so we all join in and do the same. It makes no sense at all and I’m confident that being totally ignored irks them far more than any truthful and logical rejoinder even if links are provided to back up claims.

These trolls are simply not for turning, click on any one of their histories and that is abundantly clear. If anyone agrees with this perhaps we can remind one another of it as required and the trolls will post less even if they never give up. Best wishes to all those that this is intended for and you know who you are. Cheers.

Like we don’t do the same kind of “intelligence gathering” things over there?? When it comes to dirty tricks our intelligence agencies are right up there with the best (or worst depending on your outlook) of them. And they have an even longer trail of death and destruction than the Russians. Any govt agency that’s so friendly with their mouthpieces in the nat’l left wing media, which are tainted too, shouldn’t talk too loud and are suspect of all kinds of political hanky-panky and intrigue. It’s a dirty business – no matter which side one’s on.

My research indicates that there are no neo-Nazis that hold ‘commanding positions’ within the current Ukrainian government?…

Very interesting. Thank you. https://journal-neo.org/2017/07/19/a-tale-of-two-nations-russia-vs-usa-economic-prospects/

“WHO EXACTLY are these nefarious neo-Nazis that hold ‘commanding positions’ within the Ukrainian government?”
Do your homework. This is not a kindergarten.

“Russia retaliated [against the Magnitsky Act of 2012] by prohibiting American families from adopting Russian children.”

If I recall, a major reason for Russia stopping American adoptions was the Newton and Truong case. That is, because American law offers insufficient protection against predation by degenerates. People in other countries are more familiar with the names Newton and Truong than we are, due to the rigorous self-censorship of our press. Any American journalist knows that if he visited that topic he might be Eich’d out of civilized existence, or at least suffer a major change in standard of living.

Well, you try to convince the readers that there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine on commanding positions in a government.

Just to be clear, So WHO EXACTLY are these nefarious neo-Nazis thaat hold ‘commanding positions’ within the Ukrainian government?

“…(the US) will not be supporting this ultra-right Ukrainian fighting battalion. How do you square that one (you can’t!)? Once again your theories seem discombobulated and don’t really make any sense.”
Well, you try to convince the readers that there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine on commanding positions in a government. But they are (courtesy State Dept. -sponsored regime change in Kiev). The US Congress has acknowledged the presence of the neo-Nazis and even decided (for now – one never knows which “freedom fighters” the empire is going to support, see Syria) to stop funding the Ukrainian neo-Nazis. Does this have a sense for you, or still confusing?

“More than half of the Battalion members are from eastern Ukraine and speak Russian. … But I thought that Eastern Ukrainians were squarely in Putin’s camp?”
You mean, when people speak English they are all British?

Plus, environmentalists would be persecuted like the BDS movement.

Four Jews.

There were (at least) four Jews involved: remember Jeff Feltman, Nuland’s man at United Nations, EU f&%ker – in – chief?

For the rest, Rurik covered it pretty well.

One might only add that this would not be the first time zionists have worked with or through Nazees to achieve their nastee goals.

absurd claims, that Ukrainian Jews are supporting Nazis in Ukraine

No, the Tribe was never interested in supporting the goyim, as usual.

The president of Ukraine, Poroshenko, is a Jew, who installed another Jew, Volodymyr Groysman, in 2016 to be the Prime Minister and replace another Jew, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who was in turn installed by Victoria Nuland (you guessed it – a Jew) after the coup. It’s kind of funny until you realise that the whole Ukrainian clusterfuck was predicted – and proposed – by Zbigniew Brzezinski (a Jew) ten years before in “The Grand Chessboard”.

Meanwhile, the front line western Ukrainian goyim troops are sporting swastikas on their necks and dying for this carnival troupe. Top kek.

Or you know, transition away from oil entirely. Its not like its toxic or anything……

The presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine was acknowledged by the US Congress. “The US House of Representatives has passed a bill that prevents the country from arming and training Ukraine’s infamously ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion”

This goes against all that you’ve been trying to propogate. According to your scenario, ‘Ziocons’, the same ones that are running the show in the US, have been supporting neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. Yet, here it clearly states, that the Ziocon Empire (the US) will not be supporting this ultra-right Ukrainian fighting battalion. How do you square that one (you can’t!)? Once again your theories seem discombobulated and don’t really make any sense.

BTW, from the Wikipedia article that you source, it clearly indicates that a least 50% of the fighters within the Azov Battalion originate from Eastern Ukraine. But I thought that Eastern Ukrainians were squarely in Putin’s camp? Go figure:

More than half of the Battalion members are from eastern Ukraine and speak Russian,[8] and some of its recruits come from the eastern cities of Donetsk and Luhansk.[9]

Thanks, you are more patient than I am with trolls. Always appreciate you information and links.

Here is a very long video that you may appreciate titled eight month in Ukraine:

“Truly prospects for a dynamic, economically growing Russian real economy today is more positive than at any time in the past two centuries or more. I can’t help but feel it would do our world far more in terms of the good to end with the silly losing wars everywhere and return to building up our nations and civilization. The energy of war is a no-brainer. Building up is exciting as China and increasingly Russia realize.”
F. William Engdahl

A Tale of Two Nations: Russia vs USA Economic Prospects

https://journal-neo.org/2017/07/19/a-tale-of-two-nations-russia-vs-usa-economic-prospects/

I guess that the facts are intolerable for you. Yes, the US ziocons have been cooperating with Ukrainian neo-Nazis. The presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine was acknowledged by the US Congress. “The US House of Representatives has passed a bill that prevents the country from arming and training Ukraine’s infamously ultra-nationalist Azov Battalion” https://sputniknews.com/politics/201705041053283419-us-congress-ukraine-neonazi/
The Azov Battalion used to be financed (partially) by Kolomojsky: “Ihor Valeriyovych Kolomoyskyi is a Ukrainian-Cypriot-Israeli business oligarch of Jewish descent… Kolomoyski is a prominent supporter of Ukraine’s Jewish community and the president of the United Jewish Community of Ukraine.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/

“Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCR) have connected the Azov Battalion to alleged war crimes such as mass looting, the use of torture, beatings of detained civilians, the abduction of journalists, electrocution and waterboarding. … The unit was described as having connections to neo-Nazism, with members wearing neo-Nazi and SS symbols and regalia; the unit has neo-Nazis among its ranks. German ZDF television observed Azov battalion fighters wearing helmets with swastikas and “the ‘SS runes’ of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps”, and on other occasions some of the soldiers have been reported to have SS tattoos” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

As for your rhetorical questions, “Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road?” you should direct the inquiry to the individuals in question.

You’re the one trying to make these absurd claims, that Ukrainian Jews are supporting Nazis in Ukraine, and therefore you should be able to validate these claims. If I were able to and actually put these questions to these individuals, they’d rightfully laugh me off the stage. No,I think that you might have better traction peddling these conspiracy theories at the local funny farm.

“Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated.”

If you want to focus on a theory of “three Jews” the story could look indeed confusing, since the contingent of ziocons supporting the regime change in Ukraine is much larger. As for your rhetorical questions, “Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road?” you should direct the inquiry to the individuals in question.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/ : “It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east.”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/ : ‘What Nuland did not reveal was that her meetings with ‘key Ukrainian stakeholders’ included neo-Nazi Svoboda party leader Oleh Tyahnybok and prime minister wannabe Arsenly Yatsenyuk of the Fatherland Party. … The Svoboda party which has roots with extreme vigilante and anti-semitic groups has since received at least three high-level cabinet posts in the interim government, including deputy prime minister. There is no doubt that the progenies of west Ukraine’s historic neo-fascist thugs that fought with Hitler are now aligned with the US as represented by Victoria Nuland” https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/

“The Right Sector’s roots go back to the Ukrainians who fought for Adolf Hitler against the Soviet Union during World War 2. It was the Right Sector that introduced armed fighters and turned the tide of the protests in Kiev from peaceful protests in favor of joining the EU to violent attacks on police… There is a tendency to discount the Right Sector as a small fringe group, but the Right Sector not only took control of the protests away from the Western supported moderates, as moderate leaders themselves admitted but also the Right Sector has enough public support to destroy the national monument to the Red Army soldiers who died liberating Ukraine from Nazi Germany.”
More for your attention: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/13/putin-ukraine-and-what-americans-know/
Why don’t you do your homework and google “Nuland, Kolomojsky, neo-Nazis, regime change,” and such? Instead of the groundless (and hysterical) personal attacks.

hi hack,

Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis?

(with anamaria’s permission)

the Jews organizing the neo-Nazis in Ukraine are cynically using them as their bitches to act as a thorn in Putin’s arse because Putin upset their little schemes in the greater Levant.

The big Jews don’t give a fuck if some little Jews are inconvenienced by some neo-Nazi thugs making Roman salutes. They have bigger fish to fry, and the whole charade is intended to warn Putin from interfering in their little sandbox / Syria. The reason they decided upon using Ukraine for that is because of the long held, and simmering hostilities between the people of Ukraine vs. Russia for the crimes (genocide) during the Soviet regime. Just like John McCain used his little puppet Saakashvili in Georgia for the same reasons.

so yea, the stooges in Kyiv who’re marching around like Nazis, are being used as bitches by international Jews to foment war. Wars that will benefit the big Zionist Jews greater agenda, by getting Ukrainian and Russian goyim slaughtered, even if a few little Jews also die or are inconvenienced.

nothing new under the sun

In fact, CIA/Israel will continue to do whatever they damn well feel like doing.

if history is any indication, I suppose you’re right, of course

but let’s pretend that for once in the last several decades, that the occupant of the White House is ideologically opposed to the US being Israel’s abject bitch.

He comes across as an egotistical alpha male, and the neocons and ((media)) seem to hate his guts.

the whole (almost) rotten, treasonous GOP is aligned against him

I’m not a Pollyanna by nature, but I’d like to at least pretend that there’s a chance, however ephemeral or fleeting..

Let me see if I understand your fantastical ‘Zioicon’ conspiracy theory correctly. We have three Jews, Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky, all giving support to known ‘Nazis’ in Ukraine? Don’t these three individuals know any history and realize that Nazis are responsible for killing millions of Jews during WWII? Don’t they realize that if they support the installment of Nazis into the Ukrainian political landscape, this may eventually lead to problems for the Jewish community in Ukraine down the road? Or are you claiming that Nuland, Groysman and Kolomojsky are themselves all Nazis? Certainly, you can see the problem with insisting that Jews themselves would be openly supporting neo-Nazi politicians, now don’t you? Your theory seems somewhat discombobulated. So far, putting everything together that you’ve written, it appears to me that you needn’t waste any more time looking for ‘Nazis’ in the Ukrainian woodwork, you only need to look into a mirror.

It’s a feint. Count on it.

Trump intends to keep up covert operators in Syria.

And once USA has repositioned itself and conveyed a sense of “can’t we all just get along-ness,” US will attack with the view to controlling more Syrian territory.
DO NOT TRUST THESE BASTARDS!!

MEPC hosted a conference the other day where it was neocon-splained that US has attacked Russia in Syria in ways calculated to make Syrians/Assad begin to worry that Russia is not able to protect its client. http://mepc.org/hill-forums/post-isis-iraq-syria

James Jeffrey, former ambassador to Iraq, was the first speaker at the conference. He came close to chortling as he detailed how US attacked Russian or Syrian forces at strategic times when those forces “crossed US limits of acceptable behavior.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=405&v=vvzt-D_aCEo

iow, we can pretty confidently conclude that USA was responsible for killing 80 Syrian soldiers, enabling ISIS — which was nearby — to continue the siege of Deir al-Zor http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKCN11N0PT

(fun fact: Deir al-Zor was the “relocation zone” for Armenians herded from their homes and villages. According to Scott Anderson in “Lawrence in Arabia,” Djemal Pasha

” . . . stood very much apart from his Young Turk coleaders in his response to the expulsions. In June, the first survivors of the death marches began to trickle into the north Syrian city of Aleppo, a way station toward their intended destination, the “relocation zone” of Deir al-sour some one hundred miles to the East. Visiting Aleppo, Djemal Pasha was horrified by what he saw. Reiterating a March decree that commanded his army to protect the Armenians, he lobbied Constantinople to impose the order on military units where it really mattered, in Anaatolia. That plea was ignored. “

And John – the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.

That video of Commander John leaping from his A-4 and scurrying below decks while real men fought the fire — always sets me cackling.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.620196799e59

CIA is owned and operated by Israel. CIA will continue to arm “rebels”, just changing the project codename. In fact, CIA/Israel will continue to do whatever they damn well feel like doing.

Soros and Netanyahu meet McCain as well

yes of course, but in a way, they’re not nearly as bad as the stain

Soros and Bibi, for all their demonic ways, are at least acting in what they consider to be the best interests of their people. John McCain on the other hand, is acting in ways that he knows are existentially catastrophic to the Americans that trust him to look out for their interests. He’s betraying his own people, to bolster Bibi’s and Soros’ agendas.

The Stain is the guy who comes into your hearth and home, and puts on the face of your friend and compatriot, and then poisons your family in the night, steals the silver and sets your house on fire.

it’s one thing to act as a fiend on behalf of your own people, it’s quite another to act as a fiend on behalf of your people’s enemies.

like a kapo, John McCain abases himself to the enemies of his people, for personal gain, just like he did in Vietnam. Just like he did with the S&L mass looting. Just like he did when he betrayed the sailors of the USS Liberty. Just like he did with his bailout efforts during the 2008 mass swindle. Just like he did when he conspired with a foreign invasion of this nation. Just as he’s done relentlessly with his war mongering.

I suppose Hillary might be as repugnant if she were still in power, but thank the Gods, she’s not. But the Stain still is, for now..

several guiding principles applied to everyone which should be followed–respect for sovereignty is the most important of them

I don’t know what to think of respect for sovereignty as the most important principle, in the light of the fairly well-known situation described here (http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf) in Chapter 61, especially on pages 867-869.

One could only hope that the likes of Soros and Netanyahu meet McCain as well…

Let’s not forget the rest of the “Israel first” crowd that has sold America’s collective soul to Israel.
A pox on the forty or so congresscritters who hold Israeli citizenship, the dual nationality policy wonks in our government, the misguided evangelicals who are looking for the “second coming” and “armageddon”, and anyone else who prostrates themselves at the feet of that “certain (sh!tty) little country” in the middle east.
All foreign entanglements with Israel and others must be summarily rescinded. America first…
Let the deportations begin.

glioblastoma, the same type of tumor that struck McCain’s close Democratic colleague in legislative battles, the late Ted Kennedy

Wow

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Article_2017-07-20-US–McCain-Brain%20Tumor/id-844b2d967a9f4289b6748fb95956633b

I wonder who else was afflicted with this exceptional malady?

John Wayne Gacy perhaps? Ariel Sharon?

…events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, …

speaking of, you know that I openly wished, (in fact earnestly prayed) here on this site for John – the bloodstain- McCain to have a malignant brain tumor?

when I consider all the evil that is done in the world deliberately, by people..

the unimaginable suffering, murder, atrocities, entire nations destroyed and millions of people forced to wander the ruins of their lands with terror drones bringing arbitrary slaughter from their skies..

and for all the worst reasons – insatiable avarice, tribalism, or simply the raw expression of power for its own sake.

I occasionally wonder who is the worst human being on the planet? Sometimes I consider that person to be Dick Cheney. Sometimes Tony Blair, and sometimes some other contender. But I always seem to settle back on John McCain as the most loathsome and execrable human being on the planet, bar none.

There are a lot of metrics that go into such a distinction you know. You can’t just be a murderous psychopath willing to betray your nation and your people and your vows and sacred oaths for personal gain. There are easily 635 + people like that in Washington DC off the top of my head. And you have to be much more than just a lying, corrupt, traitorous, mean-spirited asshole so off the charts criminal so as to be unprecedented, which if you look at history or even the planet just today, is saying a lot!

But still, that doesn’t qualify in itself as reason enough to wish brain cancer on someone, even someone that sinister, wicked and vile.

Nope, for a person to be that singularly rotten, down to the core and then some, to the point that the entire world should rejoice with celebrations and dancing in the streets.. at the news of brain cancer.. you have to be as black-hearted and perfidious and indeed, monstrous – being personally responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocents, and probably more.. guilty of the worst kinds of financial crimes and betrayal.. guilty of the treacherous betrayal of the men in uniform left to perish in Vietnam or the men who were murdered by cowards on the USS Liberty, or the boys and girls sent to kill and die in myriad wars all over the Middle East, with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands and always in wars based on devil’s lies..

but still, that’s not enough..

to celebrate a man’s diagnosis of brain cancer as the best news of the year, (perhaps decade or even century!), to accomplish that enormous feat, you have to be as nether-worldly rotten as they come, sure– but you also have to be a man in a position, and willing in the extreme, to send the people of the entire planet reeling into a third world war, with all that would mean, perhaps even going nuclear and perhaps even wiping out higher life forms on planet earth for perhaps all eternity. And why would you do such a thing? To sooth your vanity. To assuage your pumped-up opinion of yourself by getting the upper hand on Vlad, once and for all.

And John – the bloodstain- McCain qualifies for every single one of these metrics in spades.

Not only is his existence an abomination and a blood-stain upon all Americans, but his agenda is pure evil, and all for the worst reasons possible. Power, power, and more power, for its own sake.

May he die finally! and then get to the business of rotting in hell.

with sincere love for humanity in my heart ~ Rurik, the compassionate

Peace

Hey, Mr. Hack, does it hurt that people see clearly that the ziocon Nuland-Kagan has been in charge of bringing neo-Nazis to power in Ukraine? There are mass graves of Jewish victims of WWII in Ukraine. – Where are any signs of decency among the Kagans’ clan – as well as among the whole AIPAC belligerent crowd – considering that the US-installed junta in Kiev has blissfully allowed the neo-Nazi parades? (In case you are not aware, Bandera was a Nazi collaborator). Not a single peep of protestation from ziocons. Add to the roster the local leader of the Jewish community, certain Mr. Kolomojsky who used to finance the neo-Nazi-infested Azov Battalion – the same battalion that was involved in burning the civilians alive in Odessa. Does this ring auto-da-fe? – on Kolomojsky’ dime, with the encouragement of American ziocons?
You doth protest too much about the alleged “cliches:” why don’t you collect some courage to see the truth? For now, you are upset that the facts about the US-Ukraine affair have an anti-Semitic bias. But the Jewish victimhood card is not working anymore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw). The ongoing nonsensical situation in Ukraine is the direct result of the US involvement there. Read PNAC.
“Ukraine Honors Nationalist Blamed for anti-Jewish Pogroms:” http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.722629
“Antisemitism in Ukraine, JTA:” http://www.jta.org/tags/anti-semitism-in-ukraine
“Antisemitic Hate Crimes Thrive in Ukraine:” https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/04/21/antisemitic-hate-crimes-thrive-in-ukraine/

Yeah,I know, it just seems to0 fantastic to think that Yanukovych gave the order to shoot on an unruly mob to his loyal and nefarious Berkut security forces, that ended up shooting down 100 demonstrators on a cold day in Kyiv. It’s hard to picture someone as upright and moral as Yanukovych doing such a thing. But then again there are these incriminating photos…they must be photoshopped!

Poor, poor falsely accused Yanukovych…

http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-photographs-expose-russian-trained-killers-in-kiev

I’m curious why those of your persuasion aren’t at all rattled by Russia’s blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

A lot of that has to do with the fact that the US has no record of being lily white in that regard, so has no business pointing fingers and getting its tutu in a twist about it.

Another reason has to do with the practical fact that the Ukraine is in Russia’s back yard and about half a world away from the US, so it seems to make sense that what goes on there is not the business of the US as compared with Russia.

Another reason is that the people of the US have their own corrupt system to deal with and have shown themselves exceptionally poorly equipped to deal with it all, so it appears that we should mind our own business at least until we get a few of our own imperfections handled.

In other words, some of us are plenty rattled with the crapola served by our own masters and don’t have much time left over to be concerned with what goes on elsewhere.

Ever hear of the word, “priorites?”

Everyone (with a brain) knows that the snipers were false-flagging. Everyone (with a brain) also knows that Wikipedia is infested with special interest groups and autists-for-hire. You’re spreading bottom of the barrel propaganda, Mr. Hack.

I would love to go and see for myself. However we have no relatives in Moscow but in Ekaterinburg and surrounding and Voronezh/ Lipetsk. Moscow always was my favorite.

Yes, eminently coherent and readable. Pays the investment back immediately. Thank you.

What is the name of your new Prime Minister? – Mr. Groysman? “Groysman was born in Vinnytsia into a Jewish family…” How come that the predominantly anti-semitic Ukraine has elected this nonety with the proper ethnic background? –

Perhaps, the Ukrainian nation isn’t as anti-semitic as your warn out cliches would want people to believe? Maybe you’re the real anti-Semite, and you needn’t look any further to find expression to your nonsensical Ukrainophobic sentiments too!

Since Hilary was supposed to win the election. . .and didn’t, for those who hoped her win would paper over all the establishment corruption in Washington the election was indeed wrecked.

Yes, indeed. You beat me to it.

“President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.”

Now that they’ve “decided,” let’s hope they get on with it, (and don’t compensate with some other lunacy).

“…they served up a lot more than just milk and cookies”
It was Nuland-Kagan who brought the treats to Kiev. It was the (former) Director of CIA Brennan who came to Kiev (supposedly in secret) on the eve of the Kiev’ military actions against the civilian population of the pro-federalist east Ukraine. And you want to convince the UNZ readers that the Maidan was organized by Russians? What is the name of your new Prime Minister? – Mr. Groysman? “Groysman was born in Vinnytsia into a Jewish family…” How come that the predominantly anti-semitic Ukraine has elected this nonety with the proper ethnic background? – Sure you know how to explain that this is also the Russians’ fault. How about the US-enforced appointment of Misha Saakashvilli to the governorship of Ukraine’s Odessa? – Kremlin’s affair? Ukraine has lost its independence with the regime change in 2014.

“From what I’ve read…” – You mean the presstituting MSM? None of the respectable sources, from consortium.com to Sic Semper Tyrannus (http://turcopolier.typepad.com) have ever suggested that the coup d’etat involved – in any capacity – Russian government. Keep in mind that the above-mentioned sources present the analyses of the principled and patriotic Americans who dedicated their lives to the US nationals security. For obvious reasons, they are hated by ziocons.

since you have completely omitted the well-established facts of Nuland-Kagan’ and Brennan’ presence at the key moments of the regime change in Kiev

Just where have I ommitted reference to Nuland and Brennan. You must be mixing up my comments with somebody else?…I’ve noted that both were in Kyiv, but question their ability to direct a movement that was homegrown from the very beginning and till the bitter end.

You have also modestly omitted the fact of the rise of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, courtesy the US State Dept and its ziocon handlers.

You’re right, I have for the most part omitted reference to any far right parties. Svoboda, the largest of these, barely can muster 3% support in national elections. I’d rather concentrate my purview on the other 97% of the voter base, than on a 3% minority party.

But since you’ve brought up what I’ve conveniently omitted, HOW ABOUT YOU? No comment regarding the obtrusive and deadly amalgamation of FSB personnel in Ukraine during these events? From what I’ve read, they served up a lot more than just milk and cookies or courses in how to create a civil society?

There is a wonderful episode from a famous novel by Ukrainian writer Nikolai Gogol, where an official tells a story of an officer’s widow who allegedly whipped herself with a lash.
According to your fiction (since you have completely omitted the well-established facts of Nuland-Kagan’ and Brennan’ presence at the key moments of the regime change in Kiev), Russians have arranged the regime change in Kiev themselves – “cut off your nose to spite your face,” in short. You have also modestly omitted the fact of the rise of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, courtesy the US State Dept and its ziocon handlers.
Here is a report from much more reliable source of information than the ziocon-controlled MSM: “Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance, ” by Thierry Meyssan http://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html
Repost: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/white-house-admits-cia-director-brennan-was-secretly-kiev?page=7 https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/

I’m curious why those of your persuasion aren’t at all rattled by Russia’s blatant attempts to unduly influence events in Ukraine during the Maidan period:

According to government documents released by former Deputy Interior Minister Hennadiy Moskal, Russian officials served as advisers to the operations against protesters. Codenamed “Wave” and “Boomerang”, the operations involved the use of snipers to disperse crowds and capture the protesters’ headquarters in the House of Trade Unions. Before some police officers defected, the plans included the deployment of 22,000 combined security troops in Kiev.[84] According to the documents, the former first deputy of the Russian GRU stayed at the Kiev Hotel, played a major role in the preparations, and was paid by the Security Services of Ukraine.. agents had been stationed in Kiev throughout the Euromaidan protests, had been provided with “state telecommunications” while residing at an SBU compound, and had kept in regular contact with Ukrainian security officials. “We have substantiated grounds to consider that these very groups which were located at an SBU training ground took part in the planning and execution of activities of this so-called antiterrorist operation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution

I found this small article to be wonderfully instructive on economics.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1993/12/how-the-world-works/305854/

I disagree with a lot of my American friends because they cannot conceive the notion that projects designed to benefit all of society are not necessarily evil socialism.

I believe in affordable healthcare for all and think Trump could achieve this by infusing the VA Hospital system with some extra funds and by using the Cuban healthcare methodology and then offering the service to those in need and charging according to what people can afford to pay. Medical students would be selected purely on merit and would work in the hospital as orderlies, cooks, cleaners whatever while undergoing studies. Post-graduation they would work within the system at a low income for about 10 years to repay their education. Medicines would be produced within the system and any profits from R & D would be ploughed back into the system. Preventative care would also be a feature.

Private healthcare would remain untouched for those who want it and can afford it. I have it myself.

It could be done, would cost far less than thought and ALL would benefit except perhaps the greedy and immoral. America would be a better nation for it.

some good news vis-à-vis Russia, Syria and the US

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.620196799e59

Why are you going on a childish offensive by defending the US-installed junta in Kiev and demanding others to provide you with evidence that the neo-nazis and Banderites have nothing to do with Yatz and Poroshenko and Nuland-Kagan?
Google “neo-Nazi parades in Ukraine” and enjoy the show. If you still have doubts about the direct responsibility of Poroschenko for the neo-Nazi presence in the government of Ukraine, read about Pravyj sector and its role in the Maidan revolution. Also, Proschenko had been in contact with the State Dept for years before the Maidan revolution. Your take on this?
The main point is the US-orchestrated regime change in Kiev. Or you want to convince the UNZ reader that Nuland was a virtual reality and nothing has changed in Ukraine since Mrs. Nuland-Kagan’ and Mr. Brennan’s visit to Kiev? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-14/white-house-admits-cia-director-brennan-was-secretly-kiev?page=7
Do you realize that the US has brought a range of US officials to Kiev – including the Director of the CIA – to “improve” a democratic process there by removing a lawfully elected and acting president?
Yes, the US intervention has brought neo-Nazis and Banderites to the positions of influence in Ukraine. What could be more natural than a combination of the name “Kagan” and the word “neo-Nazis?” https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/20/a-family-business-of-perpetual-war/

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31887-the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made

“You couldn’t make it up.”

Actually, you could. In fact, somebody did.

Bonjour

No anti-rocket system will help

Even a 100% accurate system can be made useless if someone sets the warhead to detonate upon hitting the ground. Hitting a rocket (which is the goal) would only result in a nearby mushroom cloud. That’s quite a predicament for the operators and for the host country.

Coming from a natural resource science background I would argue that GDP is not relevant to a sustainable society. The concept of GDP is based on the mythology of ever increasing growth. This has been debunked by the late Dr. Bartlett many years ago:

What is relevant is a sustainable society that maintains soil quality/fertility, water quality, and does not exceed the human carrying capacity of the land. More recently, the concept of doughnut economics encapsulates this:

Doughnut Economics – Grab a pencil, draw a doughnut!

https://theminskys.org/doughnut-economics/

https://www.kateraworth.com/animations/

Perhaps Russia can delay civilizational collapse by not following the the Western economic growth trap with the fracking, GMOs, water pollution, etc that is destroying what was once the resource rich land of America.

ps. Another quibble with GDP or PPP measurements is that it does not adequately measure WEALTH generated from the internal economy. See the automatic earth website for a different economic model.

Today, Russia from the point of view of her citizens is good, and working hard for excellence

Without any jokes, however lighthearted this my statement may appear to you, one of the fields in which Russia’s greatness is unsurpassed by the US is the field of… 100% cotton socks. No, I don’t mean those white (and warm) cotton socks any COSTCO or department stores sell. No, I am talking about 100% cotton socks of thin and different colors (including of dressy kind) you can by in any Russian department store or Auchan. This is not the case with US anymore. For years now I was either bringing back with me or whenever any of our friends flew to Russia and back–the request is always the same: bring 10-12 pairs of not-white thin 100% cotton socks. I gave up trying to find these socks in US long time ago now, probably circa 2008-09. Including by means of internet. This is really ridiculous in the nation which was known around the world for its superb cotton products from jeans to socks for decades. I am almost forced now to go back to Russia next year to buy socks–jokes aside, a very serious consideration among few others.

Here’s material for Phil Giraldi’s next week’s piece:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-overheard-comments-netanyahu-lashes-eus-crazy-policy-on-israel/

Just to add one personal observation. I know Russia very well, lived there for 12 years, last time in 1991. Then I visited Russia several times until 2006 – improvement was visible, but nothing prepared me to the Russsia 2017! Even people on the street changed – to the positive. As to buildings, stores, it is incredible, I couldn´t recognize old Russia, everything was new, shining, smart and much better than before. Russians are optimistic, which was impossible in nineties! It was really a shock for me, very nice shock…I don´t know how to express to you this enormous surprise…I never thought such transformation possible….
So speaking about Russia like about some sick giant is a very stupid thing to do. Today, Russia from the point of view of her citizens is good, and working hard for excellence. I think Western leaders still think about Russia in categories of 90´s, and that is a big mistake. They should understand once for all, that Russia has to be treated as equal, and not messed with, like in Ukraine. If they will not, I think that the Russia will pass from partner, to the Master.

In my opinion, it follows that both Russia and China need the USA for economic reasons — markets, currency standard, stabilizing effect of military, etc.

Secret to China’s economic miracle are precisely these very American markets, which were opened to Chinese-made goods. Russia is far-far less, on several orders of magnitude, less dependent on US markets than China, hence Russia has much bigger room for maneuver. But in the rest, you are correct–US is too important to global economic balance, even despite being so damaging to it, to think that possible collapse could be contained. It could not be contained completely. Some sort of accommodation has to be found. What sort? I am not competent enough to be very specific, plus we will have to go into military-political aspect of that issue.

I came away with a “C” and forgot everything I had learned almost immediately

Very similar, albeit I scored A (“5″) IIRC on my Political Economy Of Capitalism (did less well on the same but of Socialism) in naval academy. But life forced me, eventually, especially against the collapse of the USSR and our lives being thrown in complete disarray (politely speaking), to start review and, eventually, study the subject anew.

Lets punish Russia? Are you sure that you have big enough punisher?
How you people get to think and say such a things? Are you not aware that Russia can obliterate USA and western Europe in 30 mins? No anti-rocket system will help, russian missiles can change their trajectory in flight(american don´t ) ! Not adding that to defend against thousands of missiles is virtually impossible. You still writing like you have power over Russia,this is the most stupid thing you can do – but of course , you are an exceptional representative of the exceptional people… You have a donkey for the president, and you blame it on Russia? Whole world is having fun watching this opera..
As to international law, USA and NATO countries are in the gravest breach of the international law, they have executed illegal war and occupation in Serbia, since 1999.(That is just first of many) Let us first punish that, together with reparations to the attacked nation, and then you can start speaking about “International law”.

As a rule of thumb, nominal GDP is a superior proxy of financial strength, while PPP-adjusted GDP is better as a proxy of industrial, inc. military-industrial potential (and of real living standards in its per capita format).

Somewhat true. But while PPP is, indeed, “better” it is still highly inaccurate, and I mean highly. Reason being the “adjustment” itself, which changes dramatically across the whole spectrum of real (that is productive) economy plus calculation of costs in general–e.g. US healthcare system. While highly developed and world-class (most of the time), its “cost calculations” (through “charge masters”) is ridiculous but it is this number (horrendously inflated) which goes in as part of US GDP. But here is an example which anyone will understand, since unlike financial transactions, it is an essential and extremely important service, that is healthcare. My mother just recently, in Moscow nonetheless, literally built all her teeth anew–she has now literally a new mouth. She paid 130 000 Rubles. World class dentist, excellent equipment, great service, implants etc–whole 9 yards. Now, if converted directly to US Dollar it comes up to 2167 USD. What can I do for that here, in US? I know for sure, my good acquaintance dentist offered me a single implant (and I really need it badly) of an upper tooth for a good price of 2 500 USD. Should I do to my teeth (desirable for me) what my mother did–I would end up with 20 000 + bill in the best case scenario. How do we convert that? I looked once at the cost (covered by my insurance, thankfully) of one of my CT scans–2 000 + USD. This is without “reading” it. As you may have guessed it already, the same procedure in Russia will cost much-much less, this is without counting free ones, but you have to wait there for weeks or even months. Here are simple examples of those gigantic discrepancies. Once one gets into real hi-tech manufacturing field, most (not all) Western “economists” will have their brains exploding.

PARAGRAPHS, dammitall man, PARAGRAPHS!!!!

Arseniy Yatsenyuk [center], former PM of Ukraine, also NOT performing a Nazi slaute.

I take this quote directly from underneath the photo in the article that you cite. Not an expert on correct ‘Nazi salutes’ I’ll defer to the author of this photo for his knowledge on this matter. Yatseniuk, may have showed some solidarity with rightists like Tyahnybok during the Maidan period, but he’s never been known for any far right viewpoints or belonging to any far right political parties, and indeed has been referred to as a Jew on many occasions. I don’t know for a fact whether or not he’s Jewish, not having taken a part in either his Christian baptism, nor his Jewish Bar Mitzvah.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/fearful-of-anti-semitism-22-of-european-jews-hide-identity/

“One of the latest claims is that Moscow has been covertly funding some environmental groups, most particularly those opposed to the use of fracking technologies.”

And Russian environmental critics of Putin, such as Evgueniya Chirikova and Nadezdha Kutepova, are notoriously sponsored by organizations linked to the US government. The moral outrage of the American establishment is totally hypocritical. Anything is right or wrong just when it serves the interests of the American establishment.

In fact, much of the Russian opposition is financed by Washington, but this has never generated any tearing of the Yankee mainstream media.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-opposition-caught-filing-into-us-embassy-in-moscow/30717

Phil,
What’s your beef with hydraulic fracturing?

mea culpa

those pigs are actually very beautiful, and they have my apology for comparing them to the Kagans

{For the record then, since you so cavalierly throw around the terms ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis’, just who exactly do both Yatseniuk and Porosheno represent in your sophisticated view of contemporary Ukrainian political persuasions? Or are both of them both ‘Banderites’ and ‘neo-Nazis?}

Don’t know about Porkyshenko, but The Yats is a neo-Nazi*: scroll down and take a gander of The Yats giving the traditional greeting to his Nazi Master, Adolf. (right after Oleh Tyahnybok).

Heil Hitler!
Sieg Heil!

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https://off-guardian.org/2016/11/05/ukraine-fascisms-toe-hold-in-europe/