OT: “Where microaggressions really come from: A sociological account”

Jonathan Haidt comments on a paper (by Bradley Campbell and Jason Manning), which attributes the rise of microaggressions to an emerging culture of victimhood and contrasts it to cultures of honor and cultures of dignity.

http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/

The paper’s URL: http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/15691330-12341332

I’m curious about what a HBD explanation of this phenomenon would be.

They certainly seemed very emotional at the Nuremberg rallies.

And Obama’s German rally

Henry should approach the SPLC to fund a makeover for himself. They need a scary figure to get donations with, while he is just a professionally isolated academic with highly unfashionable views and stroke related disabilities. I’m sure the SPLC would love HH to be so much more.

I’ve run into this kind of thinking before. Several years ago I heard of a local academic in Halifax, NS, Canada who’d proved that negroid brains were in some way different from ‘white’ brains. I think it was on the basis of size. Of course the Liberals went mad until I pointed out that different is not better or worse. A person’s value in society is dictated by the fact that he is a human being and citizen. Science cannot make value judgements, better or worse, etc. That is our job (or God’s if you will). Science can say bigger or smaller, not better or worse. I suspect it was a lot of racist nonsense, but I never saw any peer reviews or commentaries about the assertion. There are of course no shortage of pseudo-scientist who claim to be able to prove racial”inferiority”, but without success.

They certainly seemed very emotional at the Nuremberg rallies. Listening to Hitler’s speeches, he seems to be anything but calm and unemotional.

Sorry about that I meant to post it on Steve’s blog.

Thank you for the reference to La Griffe whose work, and geniality, I have enjoyed for many years. I don’t remember having read the linked piece before.

A natural follow up to consideration of Ashkenazi IQs by the threshold method would be to try out the method on Brahmins educated in the US or UK, Parsees ditto, Yankee Episcopalians who have remained so and married their kund, whether believing in God or not, for foyr generations, titled Germans etc.

OT: Kevin Drum asks why gains in test scores disappear at high school, says nothing about how heritability of IQ increases with age:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/why-do-high-schools-erase-all-test-score-gains-past-40-years

[…] Jayman marvels that the very mild (and sweetly liberal!) Henry Harpending has been targeted by the SPLC. […]

Thank you Jay Man, I am pleased and flattered to have your attention. But…. that is Jay Man with cruise control on.

While you did pick the one of my explicit and implicit questions which arose directly from something already on this thread you didn’t actually answer my question about the meaning (and implications) of such statements. Or were you being kind to my naiveté in supposing it *could* mean that, if you blocked the expression of that 5 per cent of IQ related genes, you would expect that to knock 5 per cent off the subject’s IQ. Your answer was almost consistent with its meaning that we only know of 5 per cent of the estimated 2000 genes which give us our cognitive capacity but it surely doesn’t mean that. (Or maybe it does because people whom one would hope know better make some pretty slipshod statistical and numeric statements).

May I take the opportunity to raise another matter which you might care to comment on or elaborate That is the curious way in which the normal curve seems to be assumed to apply to large groups of people who cannot be sensibly regarded as single populations to whom one set of Gaussian parameters apply. I was really intrigued about 10 or 12 years ago when the great John McCarthy seemed to be ignoring the reality. You must have noticed this tendency and I would be interested to know if you have formed any systematic view as to when it matters. The issue is obviously not new. It clearly predates the Ivy League Dating Service. (And think what Jews must have done for the average Polish IQ before WW2!).

Does it affect the calculation of regression to the mean or estimates of heritability? That could be important. Even the sds??? After all the popular tabloid science journalism version would just say that the average IQ of Americans (or white Americans: the point remains the same in principle) was 100 and SD 15 and make calculations which would suggest that they had never heard of Cyril Burt’s undoubtedly good work which included finding a big bulge on the right side of the distribution at about the 170 mark amongst English school children. (Greg Clark’s work goes a long way to explaining that as do all those family photographs circa 1860s to 1914 of the Midland – or Yorkshire or Lowland Scots – successful businessman and most of his 13 children. They mostly didn’t marry milkmaids and waitresses).

To digress a little… When I look back over 160+ years of my immigrant forebears, all entrepreneurs when newly arrived, and their descendants, it is actually quite intriguing to have discovered only recently that my most successful great-grandfather, whom legend had it was the illegitimate son of a Duke and a governess, and who probably has had no descendants with IQs under 1.3 times SD above average, seems to have been the son of an illiterate farm worker and his first cousin! Any generalisations clearly deserve to be viewed sceptically and cautiously – like family legends.

Jayman,

End of XVI century, Poland. Decent democracy, tolerant to the extent that When Italian papal envoy tries to incite a pogrom, he creates a shitstorm so large taht he then asks pope to revoke him for duty because he is universally hated. People from outside marvel how safe are the roads. Italians supposedly tell each other that they should not boast how many people they killed, because it’s seen as a wrong thing in Poland.

Just 50 years later. Polish brethren are expelled, there is rising support to remove “Warsaw Confederation” articles from king’s oath (basically, a legal guarantee of freedom of religion). Democracy basically collapses, when each parliament is destroyed by corrupt envoys. Roads are full of bandits, there are basically numerous civil wars going on.

100 years later – Poland is totally defunct country. Intolerancy is rampant. Last protestant envoy is removed from the parliament (because he was corrupted and proven to be financed by outer powers, but so were a lot of other envoys).

First half of 19th century – romanticism, idealisation of sacrifice, Poland as “messiah of nations”.

Second half: positivism, Poles should just work as hard as Germans, and instead of fitghting in uprisings, they should strive to make “a better butter than German, better bread than German, have more clean house”.

I could go on and on. The changes to the culture are too big to be thought of as just a function of biological characteristics of Polish population. I do not deny there is a biologic factor to the culture and maybe some a population is limited in a choice of possible cultures it can create, or number of culture within it it can strive; but I argue than you cannot argue from the opposite, e.g. take a culture and argue everything within it comes from the biological characteristics of population (my favourite example is of course communism, where HBD chick and you argue there had to be something within Polish nation explaining why we have communism. Somehow, the fact that we were invaded from the east, communism was imposed by force and after tens of thousands of victims was jsut waved off with reaction I personally took as “yeah, but it’s not interesting. let’s talk about Poland being outside Hajnal line and that’s why communism was in Poland.”)

Likely he’s got Swedish, Finnish and other European ancestors within a recent timeframe as Finland-Swedes are a very cosmopolitan group. For hundreds of years Swedish was the administrative language of Finland as well as trade language in towns, and for Finns changing language from Finnish to Swedish and assimilating into the Swedish-speaking population was essential for social mobility, while for Swedish speakers there was no advantage in switching to Finnish. The end result would be a Swedish speaking population with very significant Finnish ancestry, as well as some Scottish, German and so on from foreign traders who settled in towns, and a Finnish speaking population with very little Swedish ancestry, especially further away from coastal regions.

This has happened elsewhere in larger scale and is, for example, the reason why many Turks have ancestry from Armenia and the Balkans but the indigenous Armenians and Balkanites have very little Turkish ancestry despite having been under Turkish rule for a long time – those who mixed with the ruling Turks started speaking Turkish and assimilated.

This reply to Jay Man seems to have got misplaced so I’ll try to find a workaround.

You will no doubt agree that there is often a problem of interpretation when people quote percentages (right down to making one wonder whether the reduction of say 5 per cent means 20 per cent becomes 15 per cent or 18 per cent…). I find it a bit difficult to be sure I understand all the implications of such statements as that heredity explains 60 per cents of the variance in IQ – let alone remembering what the difference is if it is narrow sense heredity or broad. Any elucidation so that I would be prepared with answers to a range of “so that means that, if etc…” questions would be greatly welcomed. But, in the immediate context, what I am seeking is elaboration of the implications of “100 genes explain [only] 5 per cent of IQ”.
Does that mean that, if you blocked the expression of those 100 genes what would have been an IQ of 100 would be an IQ of 95 and that 160 would become 152? or what?

“Our [African] employees were so adamant to show me the truth that they pooled their money so they could take me to the local witch doctor, who would turn me into a frog. ‘ ”

I think I saw that guy in the Budweiser beer commercials a number of years ago. As I recall, he was really funny. I think his name was Larry, but I may be confusing him with one of the chameleons. The one important life lesson I got from those commercials was “never send a ferret to do a weasel’s job.”

I think I read many years ago (can’t recall where or when) that Morris Dees was Jewish, but I didn’t give much thought to the issue. Here is what Wikipedia says:

“Morris Seligman Dees, Jr. (born December 16, 1936) is the co-founder and chief trial counsel for the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), and a former market engineer for book publishing.[3] Along with his law partner, Joseph J. Levin Jr., Dees founded the SPLC in 1971,[4] the start of a legal career dedicated to suing organizations in discrimination cases. . . Dees was born in 1936 in Shorter, Alabama, the son of Annie Ruth (Frazer) and Morris Seligman Dees, Sr., tenant cotton farmers.[3][5] His family was Baptist.[6] His father was named “Morris Seligman” after a Jewish friend of Dees’ grandfather.[7] After graduating magna cum laude from the University of Alabama School of Law in 1960, he returned to Montgomery, Alabama and opened a law office. ”

So, technically he is not Jewish, but based on this sketchy outline of facts, it appears that he has had a close association with Jews over the years, to the extent that his first two names derive, through his father, from the name of a Jewish friend of his grandfather. But if what Haxo Angmark says is true, then Dees is a mere figurehead of SPLC, and the organization is actually controlled by Jews. In any event, I agree that SPLC is an organization that lives off shakedowns, sort of like Jesse Jackson’s organization.

“Culture does not exist as an entity divorced from biology.”

That is totally wrong – what does Newton’s laws of motion have to do with biology – that is a cultural achievement.

Biology says that tribalism is the natural way to live and organize ourselves. Extending personal freedom to your neighbor regardless of tribe is an cultural intellectual thing that goes counter our biological instincts.

In your thinking you cannot divorce biology from chemistry, and chemistry from atoms. There are atoms, modules, and biology, and culture — they are all different things at distinct different levels of natural organization. They must be thought of as different things, as different intellectual subjects – PERIOD.

Yes, it’s interesting how many eminent “Finns” have been Swedish or descended from Swedes.
Even Nevanlinna I think was from a Swedish descended family who changed their name to sound more Finnish.

57%? What’s your source? My data tells me Germany is 70% with light eyes, Poland above 72+%. The light hair, OTOH, you may be right, as only 56+% according to my data has light hair. Still, the physical type is quite similar (as long as you are willing to say Austria, England, Germany and Sweden share similar physical type – as I think you will agree that percentage of Austrians with light hair and eyes is much smaller than in Poland).

As for the stereotypes, well, they do change. Note i am not trying to argue that in early 19th century Germans actually were lazy, slow-witted and so on; only that they appear so to the British. I do not think the genetic composition of Germans changed that much within a century. Therefore, the changes to our current stereotypes simply had to be cultural. The answer to HBDchick question “where the culture comes from?” is “quite often it comes from the outside”. Not every aspect of the culture is effect of biological characteristics of the population.

Why do you describe Finland as “Anglo-Germanic”?

Finland was under Swedish rule for nearly 700 years, and even when it was transferred to Russian control Swedish remained the sole official language of Finland for the next 50 years. Swedish is still a co-official language in Finland, and Swedish-Finns have played a hugely outsized role in all aspects of Finnish life: politics, the military, industry, trade, art, architecture, literature, science, music, and on and on, arguably even more so than Finnish-Finns have. And Finland since independence, especially since 1945, has aligned itself ever more closely with the rest of Scandinavia, so much so that it has at least partially subsumed its sovereignty to the Nordic Council, along with Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Iceland.

Percentage of light hair and light eyes in Poland is as high or even higher than in Germany

Not quite. The percentage of people with light hair or light eyes in Germany is 68%, and in Poland it’s 57%.

So the Germans are “indolent,” they “never hurry,” they’re “not distinguished by enterprise or activity,” they’re “unable to cooperate with each other,” their infrastructure is of “poor quality,” and they’re “dishonest” and “overly emotional.”

LOL, talk about an inversion of stereotypes!

You’ve said enough here, I think. No more comments on this where you just restate your case.

Sorry man. The reason I restated my case is because my initial reply to you (comment #101) just disappeared when I tried to post it. So I re-posted it in a much abbreviated form (#110) and figured that was the end of it. Then my initial reply miraculously showed up here a day and a half after I posted it.

I’m not trying to harangue you about it. I just think that the uniqueness of Northwest European civilization is an important topic, as is a proper definition of what exactly constitutes it and what doesn’t. But that’s a discussion for another day.

Why do you describe Finland as “Anglo-Germanic”?

Out of curiosity, what were some of the hobbies you observed among Africans?

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/pause/

So there is a anthropological difference between northwestern Europe and Southern; sure. But then, there is no such difference between Eastern Europe and Northern (at least, if you are claiming Ireland, England, Sweden and German all share common features; because all of those countries have different anthropological types). Percentage of light hair and light eyes in Poland is as high or even higher than in Germany, and while pure “nordic” type is rare, so is in Germany.

Next, look at the regional variation of GDP:

Suddenly you have Germanic-speaking regions which are poorer and more similar to French, Spanish or southern Italian regions (in terms of GDP). I bet you could produce similar maps depicting life quality etc.
Moreover, here are some of the opinions about Germans from early XIX Germany, quoted after some Korean scientific paper about economy:

QUOTE STARTS HERE

“Before their economic
take-off in the mid-19th century, the Germans were typically described by
the British as “a dull and heavy people”9 “Indolence” was a word that was
frequently associated with the Germanic nature.10 Mary Shelley, the author
of Frankenstein, wrote in exasperation after a particularly frustrating
altercation with her German coach-driver; “the Germans never hurry”.11 It
wasn’t just the British. A French manufacturer who employed German
workers complained that they “work as and when they please”.12
The British considered the Germans also to be slow-witted.
According to one John Russell, a travel-writer of the 1820s, the Germans
were a “plodding, easily contented people … endowed neither with great
acuteness of perception nor quickness of feeling”. In particular, according to
Russell, they were not open to new ideas; “it is long before [a German] can
be brought to comprehend the bearings of what is new to him, and it is
difficult to rouse him to ardour in its pursuit.”. 13 No wonder that they were
“not distinguished by enterprise or activity”, as another mid-19th century
British traveller remarked.14

Germans were also deemed to be too individualistic and unable to
cooperate with each other. The Germans’ inability to cooperate was, in the
view of the British, most strongly manifested in the poor quality and
maintenance of their public infrastructure, which was so bad that John
McPherson, a Viceroy of India (and therefore quite used to treacherous road
conditions), wrote, “I found the roads so bad in Germany that I directed my
course to Italy”.
British travellers in the early 19th century also found the Germans
dishonest – “the tradesman and the shopkeeper take advantage of you
wherever they can, and to the smallest imaginable amount rather than not
take advantage of you at all … This knavery is universal”

(NOTE by szopen: In Polish, “oszwabić” comes from a derogatory term “szwab” used for a German and means “to cheat someone”).

observed Sir
Arthur Brooke Faulkner, a physician serving in the British army.17
Finally, the British thought the Germans to be overly emotional.
Today many British seem to think that Germans have an almost genetic
emotional deficiency. Yet talking about excessive German emotion, Sir
Arthur observed that “some will laugh all sorrows away and others will
always indulge in melancholy”.

Henry,
You broke your cherry!

Thanks.

IQ is very stable after the age of 7 or so, & is actually quite stable by age 4 or 5 for people with extreme scores. IQ test batteries have well established reliabilities listed right in their manuals – you can look them up! psych’s one contribution to science (besides for testing) is we can quantify uncertainty very accurately!

if one’s IQ is at the 98th %ile of 5 year, 3 month olds, they’ll be at about the 98th %ile when age 29 (compared t0 a rigorously representative sample of 29 year olds). the reason IQ is a little less stable at the younger ages is simply b/c they cannot do as much yet, so we don’t measure them quite as precisely.

The high reliability (& stability!) of 1:1 administered IQ type batteries is well known among psychometricians (!) an overly generic term, e.g., you get licensed as a psychologist in your state, not as a psychometrician. in the old movie “stand & deliver” the SAT guys refer to themselves as “just a couple of psychometricians from new jersey.” if your psych PhD concentrated on stats & measurement, you might call yourself a “psychometrician” but you would get licensed in your state as a “psychologist.”

““The reason the Industrial Revolution happened in 1800, rather than the year one thousand, or zero, which it could have, the Romans certainly could have done it, is that a new kind of human evolved in northern Europe, and probably northern Asia.”

I would guess that the Renaissance, Enlightenment, and Industrial Revolution were knock-on effects of the Black Death. Yersinia pestis, the cause, helped reset Europe back to it’s Greco-Roman heyday by culling a substantial percentage of the barbarians-at-the-gates that undermined the abilities that made Greece and Rome great civilizations. The interplay of higher testosterone, aggressiveness, lower cerebral control and intelligence, and higher reproductive rates on civilization were reversed when the depressive effects of higher testosterone on the male immune system met Y. pestis in 14th century Europe.

The takeaway: at a high enough percentage of representation, those who can’t create an advanced civilization will undermine one that already exists and removing that influence will allow an advanced civilization to rise again. The new kind of human was basically a replay of an old kind.

Insofar as genetic effects are g-loaded, the genetic confound would tend to INCREASE the apparent correlation of these variables with g.

Also see

http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1001826

There are likely many sources of domain-general ability in humans, and the g factor in one population represents a mix of these different sources. Thus, a highly general effect on a component of g that is not represented strongly in the general population could easily appear to not be g-loaded. I think that is going on with the studies above. I also think that is what is going on with (some of) the educational and Flynn effect gains. A corollary of this hypothesis, though, is that g has more environmental admixture in populations with poorer environmental quality, which entails that MCV between g and genetic variables will be weaker and between g and environmental variables stronger. To my knowledge this prediction has not been confirmed –– in fact, the available data tends to disconfirm it (if memory serves). I suspect an effect, though, and I am presently re-analyzing some Army test data from 1918, which might produce some relevant results.

Are IQ tests more or less predictive at age 5 or at age 11? What is the reason/value behind giving IQ tests to a range of child ages as opposed to one set age?

My impression is that Richard Lynn ranks as one of the most prominent psychometricians of the last fifty years

That tells us more of psychometricians than it does of Lynn.

My impression is that Richard Lynn ranks as one of the most prominent psychometricians of the last fifty years, and I noted that the vast majority of the IQ studies he cites include children younger than 13, which would be odd if he and his colleagues regarded such results as of doubtful validity. Furthermore, we must ask ourselves why the trained psychometricians who conducted the hundreds of such worldwide studies catalogued in his various books would have wasted their time and money producing such invalid data, and the same is true for most of the IQ studies I’ve seen elsewhere.

Psychometrician, no. Psychometrics is a mathematically centered field dealing with issues of measurement. Lynn has not, to my knowledge, made contributions to that field.

Psychologists who studies group, particularly racial, differences, yes, he is the last of the three grand old men (Jensen and Rushton being the other two).

Lynn’s style is a broad stokes style (see the interview of Lynn by Nyborg). His focus is on the big picture. His books contains loads of errors, many of which has been pointed out on the internet. With errors corrected, the big picture remains the same however. For some more even-handed dealing with the errors, read the works by Jason Malloy. Malloy have done a series of high quality reviews of IQ and achievement scores by country. Malloy’s style is clearly that of a perfectionists. The problem is that Malloy is such a slow worker that his reviews cover only a small fraction of nations.

Generally, when using IQs, I use the LV12 ones with the corrections made by Malloy. Hopefully, more people will start doing these high quality reviews for countries, so that we can obtain more reliable measurements.

I agree that parasite reduction is an unlikely explanation for the observed (or apparent) rise in Irish IQ scores.

That being said, the Rockefeller effort to rid the country of swamp parasites extended to outhouse management, and the discovery that cesspools needed to be 4 feet away from human contact:

As Despommier tells it, in the early part of the 20th century, millionaire John D. Rockefeller set out to profit from southern industry, but was stymied by the lack of productivity from an unenergetic workforce. Rockefeller funded studies that discovered the cause: a microscopic hookworm which could travel up to 4 feet in soil from a site of defecation.

http://endtheneglect.org/2012/01/how-the-outhouse-helped-save-the-south-and-what-it-can-do-for-the-worlds-bottom-billion/

Ah yes, if one is to better exploit the working masses, then one will have to find a way around all that laziness. The invisible hand strikes again.

I’m more familiar with the removal of European wetlands than the evolution of outhouse management over the same time, but when it comes to Flynn effect in rural areas, the latter is also worth looking into, though again, the effect was probably much larger in Southern Europe and the American South in the earlier decades of the last century, then it would have been in Ireland or the Northern Slavic countries.

That is mighty white supremacist of you to say all that wisdom.

The hypothesis I raised in my 2013 paper and follow-up columns were that rural life, especially in the pre-electronic era, produced the sort of “cultural deprivation” that artificially depressed IQ scores.

Makes sense. The low-IQ Slavic immigrants were most likely products of centuries of serfdom, a situation not unlike that of Mexican peasants (and presumably Irish ones). Indeed Jensen found similarities between Mexicans and these types of Europeans, with respect to IQ.

Well if some idiot Roman hadn’t murdered Archimedes imagine Roman engineering with calculus. He was working at the fringes and could have finished 2000 years ahead of Newton and Leibniz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

Ironically David Ruenzel, a SPLC member from Oakland was killed in December 2014 by the ones he wanted to protect. http://clashdaily.com/2014/12/oops-man-made-living-excusing-black-crime-gets-murdered-two-black-thugs/

“you don’t need to be a genius to be . . . a mechanic”

But it helps to be smart. At least, I prefer those diagnosing my car’s problems to be smart. Saves return trips.

From that list, I count 15 countries which have IQ scores from both adults and children (12 have only one data set, and 5 are only of children). Of the 15, ten show higher IQ scores for adults compared to children (Den, Czech, Bulg, W.Germ., Gre., Irel., Pol., Port., Sp., and Sweden) and five show higher IQ scores for children compared to adults (Belg., Fin., Fr., Italy, and Switz.).

So you’re basically saying that we should throw out nearly all our existing national IQ datasets, past and present, as invalid.

Maybe, maybe not. I’m no expert, and don’t claim to be, but it is strange to group 5 year olds with 11 year olds. It seems more valid to wait for full brain maturation to occur before testing its ability, or at least test people of the same age- that’s what PISA does. The 11+ was given at age 11, not 5. We don’t do this in athletic ability- that’s why we have adult and U-x leagues. Maybe children are smarter than adults. Maybe they’re better soccer players too, and no one has noticed this yet. Personally, I don’t think book burning is a good idea, but precision is important, especially with such a sensitive topic.

Why did you get all defensive for asking a simple question?

I read them later but I didn’t think my question was out of order.

Thanks for the links in previous and this post.

“…regarding the American-born children of Italian, Greek, Slavic, and other European immigrant groups, [the eradication of hookworm and various other low-level infections] doesn’t seem likely…I strongly believe the main cause behind the very low IQ scores was “cultural” rather than “physical” deprivation.”

That’s a fair point, but given how long those swamps had been around, I maintain that the local culture was also likely to have been impacted by those low-level infections, in inelastic ways, and therefore, there is more to consider than just the direct physical effects. Culture develops differently in a society where a significant portion of the collective blood supply ends up inside some parasite’s gut. People do not expect anyone to mach schnell, like they do up north. They do not expect anyone will arrive for an appointment on time, or make an effort, etc. They even speak more slowly. And voilà, IQ scores are depressed. Of course, warmer temperatures are responsible for some of that sloth, and that has to be separated out. But once that casual attitude works itself into the culture, those habits will not instantaneously revert once the parasites go away or someone crosses the Atlantic. There may well be a more gradual shift.

Admittedly that’s a lot of supposition, but I think it’s worth considering. Perhaps in the future that can be tested by comparing Flynn effect of African (or Chinese or Indian) rural immigrants from both highland and lowland altitudes, assuming that the latter areas are generally more malarial and full of parasites.

Anyway, if Mussolini had lived a few decades earlier, he might have found it much more difficult to get those proverbial trains to run on time, given that there were considerably more swamps back then.

My comment was about an anecdotal observation that I found interesting. It would be nice to have more data, in this case informative anecdotes even. I have no particular attachment to this particular “hypothesis”.

Many of the “hbd crew” that I know have little or no interest in the politics of the matters. Human biological diversity is interesting enough without its hangers-on ever vigilant for symptoms of incorrect thought. (BTW I am not slamming you with this remark.)

There could easily have been an industrial revolution in Roman times. Take a look at this set of Roman water wheels in Syria at

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCNKLy_Diz8cCFQeWiAod0sIHLA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdepositphotos.com%2F3557876%2Fstock-photo-aqueduct-with-water-wheel-in.html&ei=G2ziVZKSD4esogTShZ_gAg&psig=AFQjCNFidSGp0C2Y4xSTqbxzApx9K-0WnA&ust=1440988436271936

BTW they have been maintained and repaired by the Syrian government. They almost certainly are not the original wood.

And the US would obviously benefit from an influx of these Wise Village Elders,

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/08/india_town_council_orders_two_girls_raped_as_punishment_for_brothers_elopement.html

And whose Northern kindred have done so much to enrich the culture of my native land.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/387428/1400-english-girls-raped-multiculturalism-dennis-prager

Don’t read too well, do you?

Missed the piece about “do not have that ingrained culture” did we?

I am myself an immigrant in these here Untied States, but being English have an abundance, rather than an absence, of the ingrained culture.

I am, I’m sure my wife would claim, destructive to many things, but social capital is not one of them.

Non-g-loaded IQ gains don’t seem to translate into anything in the real world

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000105

I think I have been looking at this a lot longer than you have, and the Hajnal line demarcation works quite well. You just need to understand that there is variation within the Hajnal line region.

Nobody is questioning your Hajnal expertise. The “variation within the Hajnal line region” that you’re talking about is actually two very distinct cultures: the Anglo-Germanic one in the northwest (which includes Ireland, Finland and Austria), and the Latin one in the southwest.

Coincidentally, I recently received Harpending (and Cochrane)’s The 10,000 Year Explosion from Amazon, though I am only on the first chapter. But I’ve read the SPLC website extensively, and read its critics, and what really troubles me is why?

I understand that it is a money making machine for an expert at direct mail, and is humorously referred to as a hedge fund, if it is not actually a hedge fund – but why? Why does it have such a bizzare ideology?

Either they actually believe in what they are doing, in which case they often lie to further the good cause, which is accepted as virtuous by the Left and in the Talmud, or they really don’t believe, but have found an exploitable market segment that does believe … And so, money.

We must remember the USS Liberty. It was a spectacularly hatefilled attempt to kill non-Jewish allies and leave no trace, for perceived gain. Luckily it failed, except for the killing part.

Even if the IDF had succeeded in sinking the Liberty, with no survivors, various countries’ Intelligence listening posts, even as far away as Scotland, had heard and recorded much of the horror, so Israel would not have gotten off Scot (ahem) free. Still they pretty much got away with it.

I think that attitude sure would kill the attitude that has lead to school mergers in small-town America

Dear Ron,

1. The Gill study was of children from the ages of 5-11. How valid are IQ tests in that age range? My understanding is that one should wait until at least 13 (the age Lynn incorrectly stated the children were) for IQ testing. I suspect that is the reason Lynn altered the age, and that deception explains his behavior more than sloppiness.

2. I’ve read through the controversy, but I haven’t seen anyone yet prove something of vital importance to the debate: the average IQ of the Irish who left. The assumption is that Irish IQ was low because of a prolonged brain drain. What proof is there that those who left were smarter than those who stayed? It’s flattering to Irish Americans, surely, but the fact is Ireland is a great place to be if you’re smart, well connected, and well off. One could just as easily argue the poorer (and thus less intelligent?) had greater cause to leave. Indeed, the famine Irish, at least, were largely from the poorer West (also the most native Gaelic). This cohort forms the bulk of the Irish American community. Still, even excluding the Famine, the areas of Ireland which had (have) the highest emigration levels are in the west and southwest.
As genetic data show an East-West divide within Ireland, and as it is argued that the former (being more Anglo/Norman) is more intelligent than the latter (being more Gaelic), perhaps due to earlier rates of outbreeding, it doesn’t make sense that the less intelligent Irish in Ireland became more intelligent abroad than the more intelligent Irish at home.
Whether Irish IQ increased dramatically, the case that the halting of the brain drain caused that increase is dubious at best.

Remember, there is regional variation in each of those countries (particularly, a north-south gradient in each). Northerners cluster close to the Germanic countries, while southerners make up the true “Southern Europeans”. There are plenty of ways where Ireland distinguishes itself from the “Core” European countries – and even within Ireland, there is a regional gradient (mostly east-west).

Sure. The north-south gradients in Italy and Spain are particularly extreme. But I’m more interested in the differences *between* countries than within them. Northwest Europe has Nordic-Germanic-Protestant core that consists of Scandinavia, Germany, Holland and Britain, and a periphery that includes Finland, the Alpine States, Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland and the Anglo settler societies. So even though Finland, Ireland and Austria are partial outliers in a cultural sense, they clearly belong to the Anglo-Germanic family of nations in a way that the Latin countries don’t.

I think I have been looking at this a lot longer than you have, and the Hajnal line demarcation works quite well. You just need to understand that there is variation within the Hajnal line region.

No one’s doubting your Hajnal expertise. But I’m arguing that the Hajnal line divides Eastern Europe from Western Europe as a whole, not just Northwest Europe. You say that there is variation within the Hajnal line region. Absolutely. Above all, there is a major cultural fault line that divides Nordic-Germanic-Protestant Northwest Europe from Mediterranean-Latin-Catholic Southwest Europe, and the Hajnal line divides both from Alpine-Slavic-Orthodox Eastern Europe.

One major difference between Northwest and Southwest Europeans is racial phenotype. The latter are generally shorter and darker than the former. All of the Anglo-Germanic nations average 50% or more of their native (or white in the case of the Anglo settler societies) population having either light-coloured hair (blond, red, light brown) or light-coloured eyes (blue, green, grey). None of the Latin nations do.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?35882-New-Hair-and-Eye-color-statistics-(2011)

Of the 7 nations in question, the percentage of each having light-coloured hair or eyes is:

Finland: 85%
Ireland: 60%
Austria: 54%
France: 43%
Italy: 23%
Spain: 19%
Portugal: 16%

As for average height (in this case for 20 year-old males), the Anglo-Germanic nations all fall between 174.3 and 181 cms. The tallest Latin nation is shorter than the shortest Anglo-Germanic nation. Here’s how the 7 nations in question fared:

Finland: 178.4 cms
Austria: 177 cms
Ireland: 175 cms
France: 174.1 cms
Italy: 173.2 cms
Spain: 172 cms
Portugal: 170.5 cms

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=120DzHmKJOgO9k5lTlIBh0WALCz-MpXOuoXwznyM#rows:id=1

A couple more economic lists, both taken from Wikipedia, showing that Finland, Ireland and Austria cluster with the other Anglo-Germanic nations near the top, and consistently beat France, Italy, Spain and Portugal in these crucial indices.

Per Capita Income:

Ireland: $53,462
Austria: $51,307
Finland: $49,497
France: $44,538
Italy: $35,823
Spain: $30,278
Portugal: $22,130

Unemployment Rate:

Austria: 5.7%
Finland: 9.4%
Ireland: 9.7%
France: 10.5%
Italy: 12.4%
Portugal: 13%
Spain: 22.7%

And finally, from your post on the worldwide distribution of personality:

The Anglo-Germanic nations, including Finland, Ireland and Austria, all cluster near the Linear-Active cultural type, while the Latin nations lean towards the Multi-Active node.

So in terms of racial phenotype, linguistic group, religious heritage, history, geography, culture, politics, economics, intelligence, trustworthiness, personality, temperament etc etc, Finland, Ireland and Austria are clearly part of the Anglo-Germanic/Northwest European world. And–just as clearly–the Latin nations are not. There is not just one meta-culture inside the Hajnal line, but two: the Anglo-Germanics in the northwest and the Latins in the southwest.

Societies succeed because they’ve built up, usually over centuries, a widely accepted and practiced set of behaviors; social capital built up of predictable actions and attitudes and beliefs. The core of the culture.
Immigrants who do not have that ingrained culture are likely to be destructive of social capital and destructive to the host society. Despite the gibberish of the lunatic left most people recognize this and quite rightly reject the attempt to destroy their society in pursuit of a crazed political fantasy.

“It’s very difficult for me to see a strictly hereditarian explanation for a 25-30 point rise in relative IQ scores in just 50-60 years…”

With regard to non-hereditarian explanations, eradicating parasites like hookworm in the early decades of the previous century is cited as a possible cause for the IQ rise in the Southern states of the US, and throughout Southern and Eastern Europe. Draining the swamps and marshes of Europe was a massive public works project that lasted over a millennium, but it became especially important about a century ago, when people realized that lethargy is a way of life where hookworm is endemic, and that that was no coincidence. (According to the hygiene hypothesis, the subsequent reduction of swamp and marshland parasites also possibly spurred the rise of Crohn’s disease, hyper-allergies, and other autoimmune disorders in recent generations, given that human immune systems that had evolved to battle such parasites now go haywire and attack the host. It’s always something.)

http://rockefeller100.org/exhibits/show/health/eradicating-hookworm

The newfound awareness of parasites also had deep political implications, as both Nazis and Communists incorporated the concept of parasitism into their ideologies. Not much has changed in that regard, judging from the comments sections of unz.com. I am curious whether the hygiene hypothesis, as it becomes better known, will have some similar impact on the political Zeitgeist.

According to Robin Dunbar brothers of berserkers didn’t get murdered very often. No one wanted to mess with a psycho. here. Killing and revenge attacks were far from rare among the Inuit. It only pays to be harmless in a peaceful environment. So the idea that “sociopathy (and “hysteria”) are or have been adaptive traits in men and women respectively in some times and places is relevant.

Morris Dees is not Jewish but there can be no doubt that the SPLC is fundamentally a Jewish-dominated organization:

https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-the-southern-poverty-law-center/

“But, in the end, culture doesn’t exist somehow divorced from genes, nor can it. Genes influence culture which in turn influences genes (through selective forces). This is gene-culture co-evolution.”

It is true that emotions will always be with us – but more and more our knowledge based culture makes our decisions regarding the future.

As time is progressing biological evolution is waning as a changer of the future. Biological selection is coming to a halt. For the most part Western babies do not die – cultural science keeps them alive. And the top 80% of the gene pool have only two children – if that! All over the globe cultures are migrating to the Western knowledge culture.

There is one good biological thing happening, people are marring out of their local gene pool – this is a good thing.

Did people become more pacified because the State took over and monopolized the violence?

almost on par with James Watson’s remarks about African employees

I use the reaction to this statement as a mental shibboleth. Although a lot of them seem to be operating from the right side of the curve, I am not sure how many of the HBDers understand what that remark indicates about his thinking and the flaw therein.

I am looking forward to reading your blog.

As Ireland became much wealthier and less rural, there was a huge and steady rise in Flynn-adjusted IQ, showing an almost perfect correlation with time.

Ten IQ points in forty years, apparently.

When HBD Chick and I say “Northwest Europeans”, we typically exclude the Celts. Ireland for example sits firmly outside the Hajnal line.

Yes, Ireland sits firmly outside the Hajnal line, as do Finland and most of Austria too. Meanwhile, France and most of Italy, Spain and Portugal sit firmly inside the Hajnal line, making a mockery of the term “Northwest European” to describe the nations inside the line. Maybe we need another term to accurately describe these culturally akin nations other than the geographically vague “NW European.” Right now I’m leaning towards “Anglo-Germanic.”

I made the case that Ireland, Finland and Austria belong with the Anglo-Germanic/NW European group of countries, and that France, Italy, Spain and Portugal don’t, here:

http://www.unz.com/jman/national-prosperity/#comment-1064964

http://www.unz.com/pfrost/a-genetic-marker-for-empathy/#comment-1082073

Since then a couple of new studies have been released that confirm my belief. The Fraser Institute came out with their Human Freedom Index, using 76 distinct indicators of personal and economic freedom. All 17 Anglo-Germanic nations (not including Liechtenstein) finish in the top 22. This is how the 7 nations in question ranked:

#3. Finland
#8. Ireland
#12. Austria
#25. Portugal
#33. France
#34. Italy
#37. Spain

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/human-freedom-index-preliminary-report.pdf

The Economist came out with their annual list of the world’s most liveable cities. Here are the top ten (actually 11 because two cities are tied for tenth place):

1. Melbourne
2. Vienna
3. Vancouver
4. Toronto
5. Calgary
5. Adelaide
7. Sydney
8. Perth
9. Auckland
10. Helsinki
10. Zurich

All 11 cities are in the Anglo-Germanic world, including one each from Austria and Finland. Needless to say, no Latin cities made the list.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/08/daily-chart-5

These two studies add to the mountain of evidence that the Anglo-Germanic countries (and cities) totally dominate all international standard of living/quality of life rankings. And Ireland, Finland and Austria consistently cluster with the rest of the Anglo-Germanic world, while France, Italy, Spain and Portugal don’t.

So using the Hajnal line seems pretty irrelevant to a useful definition of Northwest Europe. Using a common linguistic group works much better both in theory and in practice.

This stereotype of Swedish behavior is something I associate to varying degrees with other people of Northwest Euro background.

Individualistic, orderly, rule following, needing “distance” from others.