The God’s Code of Nature
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§1. Vacuum: T= 0K, E= ∞ , p = 0, t =∞
§ 2. Particles: C/D= pi=3,14, R/N=k, E/M=c^2, h=0, c=0, i^2=-1
§ 3. Photon: h=E/t, h=kb, h=1, c=1
§ 4. Electron: h*=h/2pi, c>1, E=h*f , e^2=ach
§ 5. Gravity, Star formation: h*f = kTlogW : He II — > He I — > H– >
§ 6. Proton: (p)
§ 7. The evolution of interaction between Photon / Electron and Proton:
a) electromagnetic
b) nuclear
c) biological
§ 8. The Physical Laws:
a) Law of Conservation and Transformation Energy/ Mass
b) Pauli Exclusion Law
c) Heisenberg Uncertainty Law
§ 9. Brain: Dualism of Consciousness
§ 10. Test and Practice: Parapsychology. Meditation
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The secret of God, Soul and Existence is hidden in
” The theory of Vacuum and Quantum of Light”
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Israel Sadovnik Socratus
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This article then begs the question – well why then, did Churchill and the bellicose Anglo-Zionist Empire, side with Russia over Germany with respect to World War 2? Could it be because, what Barrett sees as the bellicose Anglo-Zionist Empire, could instead be more accurately described as the bellicose efforts of Zionist-empire-building-proper?
When you say whitey you mean the basque british ,why are you blaming mainland europeans for the hundreds of millions you have killed,you afraid once the majority basque americans lose their power all the nations you wronged will tear you to pieces, also asians have nothing on you when it comes to killing.
[…] Politically, morally, spiritually, and ecologically, the world in general and the USA in particular are heading for hell in the proverbial handbasket. What set us on this seemingly inexorable course toward almost unimaginable catastrophe? Many things…but a key moment was undoubtedly September 11th, 2001, the date the neocon virus metastasized. In his new book Bush and Cheney: How They Ruined America and the World, David Ray Griffin diagnoses, in excruciating detail, the political disease that is literally killing us. The first half of this interview covers that book; the second focuses on Dr. Griffin’s previous book, God Exists But Gawd Does Not, which I reviewed here. […]
I would welcome any additional information on that if you would oblige. Thank you.
Russia was the only legit anti-Rothschild nation at the time, thus the original author is correct, albeit dog-whistling to a degree. Hitler was 100% controlled along with Churchill.
The aggressive war plan Field Marshal Alfred Graf von Schlieffen, chief of the Imperial German General Staff, crafted in 1905 called for defeat of France in a flanking attack via Luxembourg and Belgium in six weeks. Didn’t happen. (‘Miracle of the Marne’ etc.)
“Germany was winning the war, but they saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter of the flower of Europa, and suggested to the other belligerents that they simply end it.”
Really? Erich, another outstanding nitwit, masterminded the Battle of Verdun in 1916. The concept was simple. Lure the poilu into a ‘meatgrinder’ that would kill as many as possible. Sure enough, Erich killed 600,000. Unfortunately half were German, sacrificed for absolutely nothing. Erich was dismissed 29 Aug 1916.
“Germany...saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter”.
Messianic? About a four-time bankrupt real estate developer? A guy who steals family crests? Get a grip.
“But now is a new time wiz, one where there’s no longer a quisling puppet in the White House. (or so at least we can hope!)”
Wow, Rurik! Going to demand a tithe next? Offer a prayer cloth from Wötan or a vial of holy water from some sacred fjord?
“...let’s at least make this a bipartisan prayer, (so to speak). Let’s both ‘send it out to the universe’ and plead to whatever power that amuses itself with the follies and affairs of man’s quixotic, enigmatic, and tragicomic existence, to intervene here and make all of our lives infinitely better with just one big malignant tumor. For the love of God, for the love of His people, and for the love of truth, honestly, dignity, life, happiness and goodness all around.”
“That is my earnest prayer...and so heed it please Lord, and spread your blessings upon your beleaguered children.”
You have previously claimed ignorance of any Rothschild involvement in the two world wars and I believe I answered that you were simply being disingenuous. You obviously enjoy reading so this should surely be one to add to your list.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/hidden-history-the-secret-origins-of-the-first-world-war/5600090
I have smaller ambitions and would prefer prosperity for myself and my kind, a sense of gemutlichkeit will suffice and is both easier and harder to achieve. Harder to achieve through their methods which exclude the human-scale factor and easier because doing so doesn’t require reprogramming the entire world.
sounds good to me
but we are caught in a struggle for the soul of our societies and cultures, between those (like myself) who would like them to persevere, and those who would not (and are driven by some intractable imperative to see it all destroyed)
Cheers
The aggressive war plan Field Marshal Alfred Graf von Schlieffen, chief of the Imperial German General Staff, crafted in 1905 called for defeat of France in a flanking attack via Luxembourg and Belgium in six weeks. Didn’t happen. (‘Miracle of the Marne’ etc.)
“Germany was winning the war, but they saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter of the flower of Europa, and suggested to the other belligerents that they simply end it.”
Really? Erich, another outstanding nitwit, masterminded the Battle of Verdun in 1916. The concept was simple. Lure the poilu into a ‘meatgrinder’ that would kill as many as possible. Sure enough, Erich killed 600,000. Unfortunately half were German, sacrificed for absolutely nothing. Erich was dismissed 29 Aug 1916.
“Germany...saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter”.
Messianic? About a four-time bankrupt real estate developer? A guy who steals family crests? Get a grip.
“But now is a new time wiz, one where there’s no longer a quisling puppet in the White House. (or so at least we can hope!)”
Wow, Rurik! Going to demand a tithe next? Offer a prayer cloth from Wötan or a vial of holy water from some sacred fjord?
“...let’s at least make this a bipartisan prayer, (so to speak). Let’s both ‘send it out to the universe’ and plead to whatever power that amuses itself with the follies and affairs of man’s quixotic, enigmatic, and tragicomic existence, to intervene here and make all of our lives infinitely better with just one big malignant tumor. For the love of God, for the love of His people, and for the love of truth, honestly, dignity, life, happiness and goodness all around.”
“That is my earnest prayer...and so heed it please Lord, and spread your blessings upon your beleaguered children.”
#393 it seems with shifts in the numbers ,not #394 …
LOL!
(also at #394)
;)
I agree with your analysis but if I write about Jews, they screw up my computer. Really, I mean that. So I stopped.
that's definitely one of the reasons ThreeCranes, among others. Incessant pop culture, Hollywood/Madison Ave spiritual sewage flowing from the kosher msm 24/7. Academic dumbing down, lower standards, a psychotic imperative to do away with the tenacious performance gap, even if it means lowering the higher down to the lower, and many, many other causes. But I agree most definitely that our constant wars and especially the Eternal WarsⓊ we're in right now are a catastrophe.
We have declined as a people because of the incessant small-time wars we inflict on the world.
in a life and death struggle, I couldn't agree more.
I believe that when a person or nation acts, they should do so decisively and with full power
I'd put an unhesitating bullet right though them, and aim for a instant death
but one should not passively allow another, irrespective of the justice of their motives, to bomb innocents on planes etc.
but who are we to punish?
punishment, to be effective, must be harsh enough to hurt enough such that the perpetrator never wants to experience it again but not so harsh as to instill a lingering sense of resentment such that the perpetrator devotes the rest of his life to revenge.
People reflect about the future of the USA and muse about the “decline of Empires” but I can tell you one sure way to ensure that our nation doesn’t suffer that fate and that’s to not become an Empire to begin with.
Too late for that, I know.
NeoLibs who believe in the wonders of Empire cite statistics about higher standards of living in Rome et al due to uniform standards of measures, coinage, absence of internal tariffs, ease of transport on the far-flung well built roads etc. NeoCons cream their jeans because they anticipate raw power on a larger scale.
Neither do much for me. I have smaller ambitions and would prefer prosperity for myself and my kind, a sense of gemutlichkeit will suffice and is both easier and harder to achieve. Harder to achieve through their methods which exclude the human-scale factor and easier because doing so doesn’t require reprogramming the entire world.
sounds good to me
I have smaller ambitions and would prefer prosperity for myself and my kind, a sense of gemutlichkeit will suffice and is both easier and harder to achieve. Harder to achieve through their methods which exclude the human-scale factor and easier because doing so doesn’t require reprogramming the entire world.
Here are some links to help you out;
“The laws concerning the rights and duties of neutrality are contained, for the most part, in the Declaration of Paris of 1856, Hague Convention V, 1907 (neutrality in land war), and Hague Convention XIII, 1907 (neutrality in maritime war). One of the first recommendations of the last convention was that, when war breaks out between certain powers, each nation wishing to remain impartial should normally issue either a special or general declaration of neutrality. Such a declaration, however, is not required by international law. A neutral state may, during the course of the hostilities, repeal, change, or modify its position of neutrality, provided that such alterations are applied without bias to all belligerents.”
I agree with your analysis but if I write about Jews, they screw up my computer. Really, I mean that. So I stopped.
We have declined as a people because of the incessant small-time wars we inflict on the world.
that’s definitely one of the reasons ThreeCranes, among others. Incessant pop culture, Hollywood/Madison Ave spiritual sewage flowing from the kosher msm 24/7. Academic dumbing down, lower standards, a psychotic imperative to do away with the tenacious performance gap, even if it means lowering the higher down to the lower, and many, many other causes. But I agree most definitely that our constant wars and especially the Eternal WarsⓊ we’re in right now are a catastrophe.
I believe that when a person or nation acts, they should do so decisively and with full power
in a life and death struggle, I couldn’t agree more.
but one should not passively allow another, irrespective of the justice of their motives, to bomb innocents on planes etc.
I’d put an unhesitating bullet right though them, and aim for a instant death
punishment, to be effective, must be harsh enough to hurt enough such that the perpetrator never wants to experience it again but not so harsh as to instill a lingering sense of resentment such that the perpetrator devotes the rest of his life to revenge.
but who are we to punish?
it was the Israelis that did 9/11, and yet our congress gushes over Bibi when he comes to lord it over us all. It is Israel that extorts billions from us in a circle of corrupt largess that runs from congress to Tel Aviv right back to congress. It is Israel that foments so much hatred in the Muslim world, and our boys and girls that get ground up over there, destroying those people’s countries and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of their innocent souls, if not more.
When it comes to ferocity, I can tell you that what I’d unleash upon ISIS would spin your head. But I consider them as less than animals, and deserving of a quick path to Allah. Not so the people of Syria or Libya or Iraq whose nations we have destroyed, at the behest of our enemy Israel. That’s the problem as I see it.
Thank you for being so frank. Nothing to do there with breaching neutrality “treaties”. Indeed no suggestion that a case could have been made that American laws were being breached. The 1935 Joint Resolution, if that was the “Neutrality Act”, seems to have been a fine exercise in politically adroit euphemism. Did it, I wonder, enjoy enthusiastic support from Jews in America concerned at the direction Hitler was taking Germany?
“On this day in 1935, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs the Neutrality Act, or Senate Joint Resolution No. 173, which he calls an “expression of the desire…to avoid any action which might involve [the U.S.] in war.” The signing came at a time when newly installed fascist governments in Europe were beginning to beat the drums of war.
In a public statement that day, Roosevelt said that the new law would require American vessels to obtain a license to carry arms, would restrict Americans from sailing on ships from hostile nations and would impose an embargo on the sale of arms to “belligerent” nations. Most observers understood “belligerent” to imply Germany under its new leader, Adolf Hitler, and Italy under Benito Mussolini. It also provided the strongest language yet warning other countries that the U.S. would increase its patrol of foreign submarines lurking in American waters. This was seen as a response to Hitler’s March 1935 announcement that Germany would no longer honor the terms of the Treaty of Versailles, which prohibited Germany from rebuilding her military; he had then immediately stepped up the country’s submarine production.
Although the legislation stated that the U.S. intended to stay out of foreign wars, Roosevelt insisted that the country could not foresee future situations in which the U.S. might have to amend its neutral stance. Noting that “history is filled with unforeseeable situations that call for some flexibility of action,” Roosevelt contended that the law would not prevent the U.S. from cooperating with other “similarly minded Governments to promote peace.” In other words, he left plenty of room for America to change its mind regarding the sale of arms to friendly countries and gave it the right to exercise options to protect her own safety. This came to pass in March 1941, when the passing of the Lend-Lease Act increased America’s military exports to the British in order to help them fight off Hitler’s advance toward England.”
geokat62,
The proposal is, like the Cuba deal, that the US promises to not attack NKorea and NKorea promises to eliminate all nukes. This has worked with Cuba – it has saved more war.
It is time to be rational again. It is time for Trump to make a rational Kennedy move.
If I were an advisor to Kim Jong-un, I would tell him to hold on to his nukes for as long as he can. Look what happened to Saddam.
Just came across this interesting article on consortiumnews.com.
Here’s an excerpt from The Logic in North Korean ‘Madness’:
Richman underscored the rationale for the North Korean government to develop nuclear weapons against the will of the U.S. “Kim shows every sign of having learned the lesson of recent US regime-change policies toward Iraq and Libya, neither of which were nuclear states. Same with Syria, whose regime has been targeted by the U.S. government. The lesson is: if you want to deter a U.S. attack, get yourself some nukes.”
Robert E. Kelly, Associate Professor of International Relations in the Department of Political Science at Pusan National University, wrote, “This is not a suicidal, ideological, ISIS-like state bent on apocalyptic war but rather a post-ideological gangter-ish dictatorship looking to survive. The best way to guarantee the North’s survival is nuclear deterrence. … It is a rational decision, given Pyongyang’s goals to, 1) not change internally, and 2) not be attacked externally. This is not ideal of course. Best would be a de-nuclearized North Korea. But this is highly unlikely at this point.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/17/the-logic-in-north-korean-madness/
Was the UK “far behind the front” when Germany invented and initiated aerial bombing Jan 1915-Aug 1918? Think Germany would have hesitated for a moment in ‘39 if they had heavy bombers (Halifax's, Lancaster's, B-24s, B-17s and ample incendiary production? Germany bet on close air support (superb JU-87s) for surprise invasions. Dorniers and Heinkels were insignificant. Blame Göring.
“The bombing of civilian centers far behind the front by heavy bombers was completely different and initiated by the British, not the Germans.”
#394
You are here confusing jus in bello, which was at issue, and jus ad bello, which was not. Likewise the accurate comparison of the bombardment of Warsaw is not to the bombing of Dresden, but to something more like the Soviet bombardment of Berlin in 1945.To steer the conversation back to the subject of the article: why did no Power bombard Afghanistan?
What made German and Soviet invasions of Poland ‘39 “legal”?
Very prudent of you when pulling high toned intellectual rank on another to go Anon. After all even the most leatned legal and classical acholar could make a slip in a relaxed moment and forget that “bello” being ablative the preposition has to be one of the group that you would remember from “a, ab, absque, coram de etc”rather than the “ad, ante, apud” lot which take the accusative.
Still, even a learned chap like Incitatus needs a prod now and again. It would be funny if someone with his witty moniker didn’t pick your solecism. Ah, yes it comes to me: the deliberate mistake to sus him out….
What were thoae “neutrality treaties” you refer to? If you can’t give links please give sufficiently precise titlea so one can research them.
“All are invited to tell us how the US and FDR started WW2, given Germany’s 11 Dec ‘41 declaration of war on the US.”
Easy. U.S. violated every clause of the neutrality treaties then in effect, shipping armaments, ammunition, weapons of war to combatants (England). Roosevelt had already declared de facto war on Germany long before the German declaration or war on America. Every historian knows this. No one disputes it.
Did you go to college?
You’re like Tiny Duck. You enjoy making patently absurd statements that are so easily refuted that no one bothers to do so. Then you construe their silence as admission of the unassailability of your drivel.
Yawn.
as for America's involvement in WWI, all I said was:
I won’t take issue over accuracy or bias but note the amusing way that you confirm non-Americans old impressions of American insularoty and ignorance... [blah, blah..] but here you are promoting them up front with your indifference to America’s part in WW1 being very late and quite perkpheral (except that it had the advantage of being still fresh and actually richer.
now what does that have to do with Americans being fresh?
'the Balfour Declaration proves that America's involvement in WWI was a direct act of treachery on behalf of Zionism by treasonous and disloyal Jews who controlled our newspapers and others (Woodrow Wilson, et al)'
what was the end result of WW2 wiz?
so much for your nonsense that WW2 was a Zionist creation.
“Germany was winning the war, but they saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter of the flower of Europa, and suggested to the other belligerents that they simply end it.”
The aggressive war plan Field Marshal Alfred Graf von Schlieffen, chief of the Imperial German General Staff, crafted in 1905 called for defeat of France in a flanking attack via Luxembourg and Belgium in six weeks. Didn’t happen. (‘Miracle of the Marne’ etc.)
Here’s what Chief of Staff Generaloberst Helmuth von Moltke (junger) wrote his wife 9 Sep 1914: “Things have not gone well. The fighting east of Paris has not gone in our favor, and we shall have to pay for the damage we have done.” He’s alleged to have told Wilhelm II “Majesty, we have lost the war.” 38 days after Germany invaded Luxembourg.
How do you explain that Rurik? Was Germany “winning the war?” Do you know better than Helmuth?
Von Moltke, beset with health concerns (terminal stupidity?), resigned as chief of staff 25 Oct 1914 and was replaced by General Erich von Falkenhayn
“Germany…saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter”.
Really? Erich, another outstanding nitwit, masterminded the Battle of Verdun in 1916. The concept was simple. Lure the poilu into a ‘meatgrinder’ that would kill as many as possible. Sure enough, Erich killed 600,000. Unfortunately half were German, sacrificed for absolutely nothing. Erich was dismissed 29 Aug 1916.
Rurik, you allude to a German desire for peace. Forget to mention their hope to keep Luxembourg, Belgium and Northern France? Despite the fact they knew they’d lost the war 38 days after invasion?
Are you that desperate?
“But now is a new time wiz, one where there’s no longer a quisling puppet in the White House. (or so at least we can hope!)”
Messianic? About a four-time bankrupt real estate developer? A guy who steals family crests? Get a grip.
“…let’s at least make this a bipartisan prayer, (so to speak). Let’s both ‘send it out to the universe’ and plead to whatever power that amuses itself with the follies and affairs of man’s quixotic, enigmatic, and tragicomic existence, to intervene here and make all of our lives infinitely better with just one big malignant tumor. For the love of God, for the love of His people, and for the love of truth, honestly, dignity, life, happiness and goodness all around.”
“That is my earnest prayer…and so heed it please Lord, and spread your blessings upon your beleaguered children.”
Wow, Rurik! Going to demand a tithe next? Offer a prayer cloth from Wötan or a vial of holy water from some sacred fjord?
Interesting how the torture methods are remarkably similar to recent cases, say, Zamerican torturers in the fraudulent "war on terror".
...The prisoner[Höss] was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse."
...The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell. (p. 237)
So it is that Bernard reveals "It took three days to get a coherent statement out of [Höss]" (ibid.). This admission was corroborated by Mr. Ken Jones in an article in the Wrexham Leader. (October 17,1986): Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the fifth Royal Horse Artillery stationed at Heid[e) in Schleswig-Holstein. "They brought him to us when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join Höss in his cell to help break him down for interrogation. "We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones.
...Clarke's statement, obtained under the conditions just described by bullies of British Military Security under the brutal inspiration of sergeant-interpreter Bernard Clarke, became Höss's first confession, the original confession indexed under the number NO-1210.
Take a weekend off, and what do’ya know? It’s like TV exterminator adds. When light’s absent, the blattella germanica multiply in conjugal delight. In this case fearless squamata germanica (L.K) has even weighed in with his usual “intellectual” contribution:
“pathetic troll, BS, ridiculous Troll, disgraceful LIAR, complete intellectual FRAUD., So cute, Lying and trolling, you are full of shit, bitch”
Needless to say, I’m humbled by the academic force of those words!
“I myself had already provided you with evidence of torture re those show trials [Nüremberg ‘45-46]. I won’t let you forget, bitch: As I said, Höss testimony is complete nonsense and the reason is that the man was tortured into ‘confessing.’
Kindly post where you and I exchanged views on Nüremberg torture. You write you “already provided…evidence of torture.” Provide the date, post number, and UNZ link please.
“Re Höss’ torture at the hands of the British as reported in the book ‘Legions of Death’, for which the author interviewed some of the torturers…”
Why do you omit the subtitle L.K? The book you source is titled ‘Legions of Death: The Nazi Enslavement of Europe.’ Disagree with the subtitle? Two and a half stars on Amazon (4 customer reviews). Are you (as Amazon reviewers comment) cherry picking the text as a “holocaust denier?”
No matter. Here’s what I asked 14 Apr ‘17. Heads up blattella germanica (ThreeCranes, Jacues/Jacques Sheet, etc). Simple question:
L.K I don’t doubt your love for Germany. I part ways with you when it comes to 20C Wilhelmine and Nazi leadership. I think it was the biggest enemy of the German People. Two catastrophic wars – the first ruined them financially. The second brought moral and physical ruin. For what?
Alternatives. Blame WW1 and WW2 on everybody but Germany. But whose troops were first to invade? Germany. So either German enemies mobilized and ordered German troops into battle (you’re not claiming that are you?), or German leadership underestimated the enemies they invaded. My bet’s on the second option. Which means German leadership was incompetent. And criminal. Period. Biggest loser? The German People. QED my critical stance on 20C German leadership. Their prime victims were the German People. And a lot of others as well.
Why didn’t Hitler supply his troops with winter gear in ‘41 L.K? Did he forget? Did the Jews (or FDR or Churchill) make him forget? Why did Adolf turn on his own people in ‘44-45 and order Speer to destroy Germany in an epic Wagnerian Götterdämmerung Morgenthau would envy? Was it because he loved the German People? Why did SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler pretend to be Sergeant Heinrich Hitzinger and quickly commit suicide on discovery? Was it because he was proud of his record?
-#529, http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/aipac-is-back-in-town/
L.K, you didn’t answer. Just as TC can’t say how the Entente was responsible for ordering German troops to invade Luxembourg, Belgium and France (post #64).
All are invited to tell us how the US and FDR started WW2, given Germany’s 11 Dec ‘41 declaration of war on the US. Did nasty FDR plant the impulse in saintly Dolf’s mind? Give us a hint.
Step back. I’m in fear of misleading any and all, and can only offer the following pathology on squamata germanica and blattella germanica:
• Characteristic behavior is to ignore questions too difficult to answer;
• When unavoidable respond with patronizing dull-witted tropes;
• When asked to substantiate posts, change the subject (Jung, ‘dark side’, etc);
• Embrace sympathetic sentiment, lover’s laments (anything but answer the question);
• Return to your original post (#64) and pretend it’s unchallenged;
• Cherry pick bogus sources to confer legitimacy (L.K);
• In extremis resort to vile ad hominems (“pathetic troll, etc”) (L.K).
This ends in simple advice. Buy a good laxative. You’re all full of crap.
I prefer to consider it a purely defensive weapon ThreeCranes, rather than a bludgeon held over other's heads, demanding compliance.
though we hold it in reserve and other peoples mostly comply with our wishes.
I would posit that it has hurt them much, much more than it has hurt us, unless you're talking about the mothers and fathers of young American men and women sent to fight and die in contrived wars of aggression against nations that have done us no harm, but that Israel wants destroyed for their own nefarious reasons. And of course our moral standing in the world as a result of our aggressions for Israeli hegemony. But other than those things, it is undoubtedly the smaller nations that have been utterly destroyed, like Iraq and Libya, others.. that have come out the worse for wear from our myriad and serial depredations upon them.
Other men push against us here and there, now and then and we don’t push back except with tiresome, burdensome “limited wars” that end up hurting us as much or more than the countries we fight.
do you know why the "Muzzies" started doing that? Did you know that until the 1970s, Americans could get on a passenger jet with their shotguns in tow, because there simply was no reason on God's green earth for anyone to want to do other passengers any harm. It was quite literally unthinkable at that point. But then something happened in the world that changed everything. America became Israel's bitch. A bully and a murderous thug on the world's stage. Dooming the Palestinians to murder and humiliation beyond anything a human could stand, so they began (understandably) to lash out. They are like modern day Amerindians who're being genocided and slaughtered and brutalized and humiliated, and they can only take so much, from a world and an America in particular that lectures the rest of the world on 'human rights', even as it denies these people their humanity, and writes them off as inconvenient, because Zionist Jews control the USA's money supply, which allows them to own all the media of consequence and the politicians and courts and universities, etc... Did you know all that? So America went from a well loved, (if criticized nation for the lot of the blacks) to a hated nation responsible for atrocities in the Middle East and elsewhere. The Ukraine for instance. If you're going to have a conversation about Islamic terrorism, without a fundamental understanding of where that terrorism emanates out from, then it's a little pointless. Muslims would normally have little or no reason for killing Americans, especially when we're so far apart geographically, and we like to buy their oil. But because it is America that has been facilitating the slaughter of Muslims in the holy land, and now we've taken to destroying their countries willy-nilly, and assassinating their leaders, and driving millions upon millions of them to jihad with our serial wars upon them- always based on lies- that I wonder if a little self-reflection isn't called for from us Americans. Here's a clue for Americans: They don't hate us because we're free. They hate us because we slaughter their families with terror drones from their skies. We bomb their nations into the stone age, and murder their leaders and impose Zio-quislings upon them to steal their resources and impose an iron-fisted rule upon them. That's why they hate us. And then to add insult to injury, we invite them into the West and then act shocked because some of them go berserk with rage at what we Westerners have done to their respective nations, and figure at least they can rape or kill a few of us as payback. So there is much insanity in the world today, thanks to the Zio-Fiend who has his money-grip on our collective necks. We're forced to send our young people to die in war that are 'good for the Jews', and then when we've driven these people insane with rage at what we've done, the Jews think what better than to invite these stone age people to live in the heart of Europe and N. America! They have us eating our own shit, and blaming Muslims for what ((they)) are doing my friend. And if you don't think they're laughing about it all the way to the bank, you couldn't be more wrong.
The Muzzies began terrorism back in the 70′s and saw that we had no real effective response.
a declaration of war would require an act of a cowardly and treasonous congress, and we all know those sniveling whores aren't worth the blood and dirt on a single American soldier's boots. I'm not sure what to make of your myopia vis-a-vis Israel, which is the festering boil on our body politic that is the center of all the things you're lamenting. Yes, the Western male is a shadow of masculinity, and more often a groveling imitation of a man, too feminized to and put upon to even defend his own family and lands from invasion. But that isn't the fault of the invaders, rather it's the fault of the kosher man behind the curtain, pulling all the levers and turning the dials of our cultural narrative, where we're all evil racists except when we're dying in Eternal Wars for Israel, then we're suited to our task, and our widows are handed a shiny medal as proof that our young men died for the right reasons, as their home communities are overrun and their children are raped or savaged by invading hoards. At least, that's more or less how I see it.Cheers
We simply won’t declare war against them and fight with all the tools at our disposal.
I agree with your analysis but if I write about Jews, they screw up my computer. Really, I mean that. So I stopped.
And yes, I did mean by damage to America all the negative spin offs you mentioned. We have declined as a people because of the incessant small-time wars we inflict on the world.
I believe that when a person or nation acts, they should do so decisively and with full power. Quickly and totally. Let pain be crisp. That’s the end of it. No long lingering slow bleeding or torture of either one’s adversaries or self. I live this way and believe it the right way for nations as well. It is more humane, establishes a pecking order and therefore promotes peace and understanding.
Men will respect you only if your show that you can beat them or if you kowtow to them. Then you can be friends with full understanding between you.
I don’t support what Israel has done to the Palestinians or American support for Zionism but one should not passively allow another, irrespective of the justice of their motives, to bomb innocents on planes etc.
As Aristotle observed, punishment, to be effective, must be harsh enough to hurt enough such that the perpetrator never wants to experience it again but not so harsh as to instill a lingering sense of resentment such that the perpetrator devotes the rest of his life to revenge.
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I agree with your analysis but if I write about Jews, they screw up my computer. Really, I mean that. So I stopped.
that's definitely one of the reasons ThreeCranes, among others. Incessant pop culture, Hollywood/Madison Ave spiritual sewage flowing from the kosher msm 24/7. Academic dumbing down, lower standards, a psychotic imperative to do away with the tenacious performance gap, even if it means lowering the higher down to the lower, and many, many other causes. But I agree most definitely that our constant wars and especially the Eternal WarsⓊ we're in right now are a catastrophe.
We have declined as a people because of the incessant small-time wars we inflict on the world.
in a life and death struggle, I couldn't agree more.
I believe that when a person or nation acts, they should do so decisively and with full power
I'd put an unhesitating bullet right though them, and aim for a instant death
but one should not passively allow another, irrespective of the justice of their motives, to bomb innocents on planes etc.
but who are we to punish?
punishment, to be effective, must be harsh enough to hurt enough such that the perpetrator never wants to experience it again but not so harsh as to instill a lingering sense of resentment such that the perpetrator devotes the rest of his life to revenge.
That is a view I begin to find more sympathy with than when my father used to express it but I don’t think it offsets the oppressiveness of the European Continental conscription systems back when they chewed up 2 or more years of much shorter lives than e now expect.
though we hold it in reserve and other peoples mostly comply with our wishes.
I prefer to consider it a purely defensive weapon ThreeCranes, rather than a bludgeon held over other’s heads, demanding compliance.
Other men push against us here and there, now and then and we don’t push back except with tiresome, burdensome “limited wars” that end up hurting us as much or more than the countries we fight.
I would posit that it has hurt them much, much more than it has hurt us, unless you’re talking about the mothers and fathers of young American men and women sent to fight and die in contrived wars of aggression against nations that have done us no harm, but that Israel wants destroyed for their own nefarious reasons. And of course our moral standing in the world as a result of our aggressions for Israeli hegemony. But other than those things, it is undoubtedly the smaller nations that have been utterly destroyed, like Iraq and Libya, others.. that have come out the worse for wear from our myriad and serial depredations upon them.
The Muzzies began terrorism back in the 70′s and saw that we had no real effective response.
do you know why the “Muzzies” started doing that? Did you know that until the 1970s, Americans could get on a passenger jet with their shotguns in tow, because there simply was no reason on God’s green earth for anyone to want to do other passengers any harm. It was quite literally unthinkable at that point.
But then something happened in the world that changed everything. America became Israel’s bitch. A bully and a murderous thug on the world’s stage. Dooming the Palestinians to murder and humiliation beyond anything a human could stand, so they began (understandably) to lash out. They are like modern day Amerindians who’re being genocided and slaughtered and brutalized and humiliated, and they can only take so much, from a world and an America in particular that lectures the rest of the world on ‘human rights’, even as it denies these people their humanity, and writes them off as inconvenient, because Zionist Jews control the USA’s money supply, which allows them to own all the media of consequence and the politicians and courts and universities, etc…
Did you know all that?
So America went from a well loved, (if criticized nation for the lot of the blacks) to a hated nation responsible for atrocities in the Middle East and elsewhere. The Ukraine for instance.
If you’re going to have a conversation about Islamic terrorism, without a fundamental understanding of where that terrorism emanates out from, then it’s a little pointless.
Muslims would normally have little or no reason for killing Americans, especially when we’re so far apart geographically, and we like to buy their oil. But because it is America that has been facilitating the slaughter of Muslims in the holy land, and now we’ve taken to destroying their countries willy-nilly, and assassinating their leaders, and driving millions upon millions of them to jihad with our serial wars upon them- always based on lies- that I wonder if a little self-reflection isn’t called for from us Americans. Here’s a clue for Americans: They don’t hate us because we’re free. They hate us because we slaughter their families with terror drones from their skies. We bomb their nations into the stone age, and murder their leaders and impose Zio-quislings upon them to steal their resources and impose an iron-fisted rule upon them.
That’s why they hate us. And then to add insult to injury, we invite them into the West and then act shocked because some of them go berserk with rage at what we Westerners have done to their respective nations, and figure at least they can rape or kill a few of us as payback.
So there is much insanity in the world today, thanks to the Zio-Fiend who has his money-grip on our collective necks. We’re forced to send our young people to die in war that are ‘good for the Jews’, and then when we’ve driven these people insane with rage at what we’ve done, the Jews think what better than to invite these stone age people to live in the heart of Europe and N. America!
They have us eating our own shit, and blaming Muslims for what ((they)) are doing my friend. And if you don’t think they’re laughing about it all the way to the bank, you couldn’t be more wrong.
We simply won’t declare war against them and fight with all the tools at our disposal.
a declaration of war would require an act of a cowardly and treasonous congress, and we all know those sniveling whores aren’t worth the blood and dirt on a single American soldier’s boots.
I’m not sure what to make of your myopia vis-a-vis Israel, which is the festering boil on our body politic that is the center of all the things you’re lamenting.
Yes, the Western male is a shadow of masculinity, and more often a groveling imitation of a man, too feminized to and put upon to even defend his own family and lands from invasion. But that isn’t the fault of the invaders, rather it’s the fault of the kosher man behind the curtain, pulling all the levers and turning the dials of our cultural narrative, where we’re all evil racists except when we’re dying in Eternal Wars for Israel, then we’re suited to our task, and our widows are handed a shiny medal as proof that our young men died for the right reasons, as their home communities are overrun and their children are raped or savaged by invading hoards.
At least, that’s more or less how I see it.
Cheers
Every citizen of every civilized country should serve either two years military service or two years civil service engaged in labor such as shoveling ditches. Not only does this give a young person a feeling of having contributed something useful to his nation but it also gets them off their butts and out of the ghetto, suburb or city into fresh air.
your 'inconvenient truths' were, if I remember correctly, that until the Nordic people adopted Christianity, they were basically wallowing in the mud. This is a common refrain, and wrong.
Today according to Rurik (after yours truly posted some inconvenient truths):
I agree with all the aspersions you cast upon the Abrahamic religions, but….
as for why today’s European male is passive in the face of the colonization of his territories I wonder if something else isn’t at play.
Since the invention of the nuclear bomb and the world’s reaction to the United States’ using it on Japan, the U.S. has never even threatened to use it in anger against anyone, though we hold it in reserve and other peoples mostly comply with our wishes. This may have given western men a false sense of security and power. They know they have the biggest gun so they don’t have to be intimidating and forceful.
Other men push against us here and there, now and then and we don’t push back except with tiresome, burdensome “limited wars” that end up hurting us as much or more than the countries we fight. The Muzzies began terrorism back in the 70′s and saw that we had no real effective response. Now they know that we’re too cowed by nanny moralizers to turn their cities into molten glass and so they have no fear and therefore no respect for us.
We simply won’t declare war against them and fight with all the tools at our disposal.
Why should they take us seriously? We’re self-castrated eunuchs.
I prefer to consider it a purely defensive weapon ThreeCranes, rather than a bludgeon held over other's heads, demanding compliance.
though we hold it in reserve and other peoples mostly comply with our wishes.
I would posit that it has hurt them much, much more than it has hurt us, unless you're talking about the mothers and fathers of young American men and women sent to fight and die in contrived wars of aggression against nations that have done us no harm, but that Israel wants destroyed for their own nefarious reasons. And of course our moral standing in the world as a result of our aggressions for Israeli hegemony. But other than those things, it is undoubtedly the smaller nations that have been utterly destroyed, like Iraq and Libya, others.. that have come out the worse for wear from our myriad and serial depredations upon them.
Other men push against us here and there, now and then and we don’t push back except with tiresome, burdensome “limited wars” that end up hurting us as much or more than the countries we fight.
do you know why the "Muzzies" started doing that? Did you know that until the 1970s, Americans could get on a passenger jet with their shotguns in tow, because there simply was no reason on God's green earth for anyone to want to do other passengers any harm. It was quite literally unthinkable at that point. But then something happened in the world that changed everything. America became Israel's bitch. A bully and a murderous thug on the world's stage. Dooming the Palestinians to murder and humiliation beyond anything a human could stand, so they began (understandably) to lash out. They are like modern day Amerindians who're being genocided and slaughtered and brutalized and humiliated, and they can only take so much, from a world and an America in particular that lectures the rest of the world on 'human rights', even as it denies these people their humanity, and writes them off as inconvenient, because Zionist Jews control the USA's money supply, which allows them to own all the media of consequence and the politicians and courts and universities, etc... Did you know all that? So America went from a well loved, (if criticized nation for the lot of the blacks) to a hated nation responsible for atrocities in the Middle East and elsewhere. The Ukraine for instance. If you're going to have a conversation about Islamic terrorism, without a fundamental understanding of where that terrorism emanates out from, then it's a little pointless. Muslims would normally have little or no reason for killing Americans, especially when we're so far apart geographically, and we like to buy their oil. But because it is America that has been facilitating the slaughter of Muslims in the holy land, and now we've taken to destroying their countries willy-nilly, and assassinating their leaders, and driving millions upon millions of them to jihad with our serial wars upon them- always based on lies- that I wonder if a little self-reflection isn't called for from us Americans. Here's a clue for Americans: They don't hate us because we're free. They hate us because we slaughter their families with terror drones from their skies. We bomb their nations into the stone age, and murder their leaders and impose Zio-quislings upon them to steal their resources and impose an iron-fisted rule upon them. That's why they hate us. And then to add insult to injury, we invite them into the West and then act shocked because some of them go berserk with rage at what we Westerners have done to their respective nations, and figure at least they can rape or kill a few of us as payback. So there is much insanity in the world today, thanks to the Zio-Fiend who has his money-grip on our collective necks. We're forced to send our young people to die in war that are 'good for the Jews', and then when we've driven these people insane with rage at what we've done, the Jews think what better than to invite these stone age people to live in the heart of Europe and N. America! They have us eating our own shit, and blaming Muslims for what ((they)) are doing my friend. And if you don't think they're laughing about it all the way to the bank, you couldn't be more wrong.
The Muzzies began terrorism back in the 70′s and saw that we had no real effective response.
a declaration of war would require an act of a cowardly and treasonous congress, and we all know those sniveling whores aren't worth the blood and dirt on a single American soldier's boots. I'm not sure what to make of your myopia vis-a-vis Israel, which is the festering boil on our body politic that is the center of all the things you're lamenting. Yes, the Western male is a shadow of masculinity, and more often a groveling imitation of a man, too feminized to and put upon to even defend his own family and lands from invasion. But that isn't the fault of the invaders, rather it's the fault of the kosher man behind the curtain, pulling all the levers and turning the dials of our cultural narrative, where we're all evil racists except when we're dying in Eternal Wars for Israel, then we're suited to our task, and our widows are handed a shiny medal as proof that our young men died for the right reasons, as their home communities are overrun and their children are raped or savaged by invading hoards. At least, that's more or less how I see it.Cheers
We simply won’t declare war against them and fight with all the tools at our disposal.
It was a Soviet Russia, that had the full support of some of the world's richest banksters, I might add.
Germany only attacked because of the very real threat that Soviet Russia represented, which became clear through various provocations.
It was a Soviet Russia, that had the full support of some of the world’s richest banksters, I might add.
Those simple concepts, while true and extremely easy to grasp, still elude most of the population. It’s really unfortunate that things so readily apparent still remain mysteries even when they’re pointed out so clearly. Thread bare, century old Allied propaganda still prevails in the minds of the simple.
world’s richest Jewish banksters?
like the ones who funded Trotsky?
I just typed a frustrated diatribe on today’s “Christianity”, and the ‘Christians’ who can’t get enough of wars and slaughter and Israel’s version of genocide, terrorism and rapine in the holy land, so long as it’s all being done by “God’s chosen people”, for whom no amount of moral abasement is enough for today’s “Christians” (especially the German version).
I put it all down to venality. The leadership of Christianity today is fundamentally [heh] corrupt and avaricious and venal. Rotten IOW, and this is why so many of the things you mention are true; that Western civilization is so dumbed down that they’re sheep to the slaughter, and the men and women with the cattle prods pushing the children of the West to die in Eternal Wars for Israel, are as often “Christian’ as anything else.
But they’ve become so used to being on their knees, as self-loathing ‘sinners’- too terrified of thinking for themselves, that there doesn’t seem to be any humiliation or wanton slaughter so egregious that they won’t embrace it.
lemmings
And people like me are horrified to watch them all march off the cliff, but if we try to tell them – its a fool’s errand, because being proudly, militantly dogmatic and eternal followers, they’ll Pavlovian-like remember their catechisms and kneejerk howl their feeble denunciations.
Today according to Rurik (after yours truly posted some inconvenient truths):
our civil Christian culture is a direct representation of our blood.
Christianity has become the death knell of Sweden and Western Europe, not its savior.......Now more than ever they should heed the blood-call of the ancient Gods of vigor of
their ancestors
Today according to Rurik (after yours truly posted some inconvenient truths):
your ‘inconvenient truths’ were, if I remember correctly, that until the Nordic people adopted Christianity, they were basically wallowing in the mud. This is a common refrain, and wrong.
There is ample, (what wasn’t specifically destroyed) evidence that the Nordic people’s were very advanced indeed, well before the catastrophe of having to worship the dead Jew on a stick.
But this particular mind-fuck was so convenient to the PTB, that they couldn’t resist.
‘You mean we tell then that they have to believe it, and if they don’t they’ll burn in pits of lava for eternity? And once they’ve been thus morally terrified, we can treat them like cattle and order them around like sheep, and they’ll even consider acting like sheep as a kind of virtue, and brag about it?! ‘
How could the kings resist?! A religion that reduces your people to wanting to live on their knees, obeying and obeying and obeying, as if it were a virtue!!
pay your taxes, send your young men to die in endless wars of conquest so that your king will be that much more exalted!! Praise God!
we need more wars? send in the priests!
look at them now, their sons and daughters taught in Ireland to love homosexuality from the Catholic pulpits. America’s evangelicals worshiping all too mortal, two legged Jewish war pigs. Christians in America’s heartland feverishly augmenting an African, Islamic invasion of their lands. Dooming their white Christian children to hell on earth.
The GOP (Christian to a man and woman!) sycophants abasing themselves in prostrate obeisance to Jewish war pig Sheldon Adelson, licking the shekels off the floor at his feet.
This is Christianity? As Ted Cruz excoriates any genuine Christian that doesn’t bow down to the anti-Christ, Moloch-god of zion.
and you think it was this imposed and enforced worship of a primitive desert religion that saved the Nordic, Germanic peoples?
It doomed them. Look at Germany today for God’s sake!
they’re spreading the other cheek like no tomorrow! Look at England, a pedophile’s paradise.
Look at France, where Muslims are ascendant and openly put their Islamic god’s boot on the face of the Christians and laugh at their effete impotence, as they rape their women and slaughter and terrorize their sheople.
No, I say that it was the words about truth, love and justice that won over the Western man to Christianity, (words and concepts I too respect), but in the end, the institution rotted from the top, and today it is the death of our collective civilization, and the very institution that will usher in a dystopian hell on earth.
You’ll forgive me if I don’t bow down to it, (and all the venal liars and opportunistic child molesters and private jet owners and war pig$) who make up its leadership today.
I won’t take issue over accuracy or bias but note the amusing way that you confirm non-Americans old impressions of American insularoty and ignorance… [blah, blah..] but here you are promoting them up front with your indifference to America’s part in WW1 being very late and quite perkpheral (except that it had the advantage of being still fresh and actually richer.
as for America’s involvement in WWI, all I said was:
‘the Balfour Declaration proves that America’s involvement in WWI was a direct act of treachery on behalf of Zionism by treasonous and disloyal Jews who controlled our newspapers and others (Woodrow Wilson, et al)’
now what does that have to do with Americans being fresh?
Germany was winning the war, but they saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter of the flower of Europa, and suggested to the other belligerents that they simply end it. But Perfidious Albion (being Perfidious Albion) was not to be mollified, and intrigued to bring the Americans in on their behalf, telling the Jews and Zionists that if they use their control of Americas newspapers (and Wilson’s White House) to cajole America into the war, that the Zionist Jews can have Palestine for a Jewish state.
That’s all I said about it, (and it’s all true). So I don’t get your angst over American insularity. If anything, we Americans could do with a lot more insularity when it comes to bombing all of Zion’s well-earned enemies.
That’s my hope wiz, that Trump will usher in a new era of American foreign policy, where we don’t go all over the place slaughtering people for Israel. As we did in both world wars, and are doing today in Syria. Except that seems to be changing huh wiz, as the money and arms seems to have been choked off to the orcs, and now Putin and Assad are winning over there, and it looks like the Golan Heights will remain Syrian territory, since Syria is going to remain a sovereign nation with recognized borders, (unlike the “shitty little state” that refuses to define its borders, hoping always [with America's help!] to steal the land of others and incorporate them into Israel), huh wiz?
so much for your nonsense that WW2 was a Zionist creation.
what was the end result of WW2 wiz?
what global objective was obtained by the slaughter of 60 million people, with Europe and Russia in smoking ruins?
what rose up out of the graves of so many millions of the children of Europa / Christendom, with the blessings of zio-England and zio-America’s leaders, and to the outrage of the rest of the world, far too brutalized by war to object other than feeble denunciations. But that didn’t stop the Arabs from heroically trying to fight off these Jewish usurpers and genocidal thieves and terrorists, but with America’s relentless aid, the Arabs were defeated and more and more of their land became occupied or stolen or both.
But now is a new time wiz, one where there’s no longer a quisling puppet in the White House. (or so at least we can hope!)
and just look at this!
there are many good and decent Christians and honorable Muslims and Jews that come to this site. May I please offer to join them in my very, deeply held and earnest prayers for God / Allah / Jehovah- and all the other Gods to intervene with this matter and urge providence along in a way that will make this planet and the universe a far, far, FAR more divinely gracious place. It’s hard to imagine a time for more celebration and great joy all around than for such an auspicious turn in the US Senate. Please God, hear our prayers!
I’m not just praying for a single soul, but rather for the literally millions of souls that this man has condemned to horrors and worse, but even more so God, I’m praying for the millions of souls that this man has not yet, but certainly would if he could, send your way prematurely.
Join me wiz, let’s at least make this a bipartisan prayer, (so to speak). Let’s both ‘send it out to the universe’, (as my girl likes to say ; ), and plead to whatever power that amuses itself with the follies and affairs of man’s quixotic, enigmatic, and tragicomic existence, to intervene here and make all of our lives infinitely better with just one big malignant tumor. For the love of God, for the love of His people, and for the love of truth, honestly, dignity, life, happiness and goodness all around.
That is my earnest prayer, (and I hope wiz’s too!), and so heed it please Lord, and spread your blessings upon your beleaguered children.
The aggressive war plan Field Marshal Alfred Graf von Schlieffen, chief of the Imperial German General Staff, crafted in 1905 called for defeat of France in a flanking attack via Luxembourg and Belgium in six weeks. Didn’t happen. (‘Miracle of the Marne’ etc.)
“Germany was winning the war, but they saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter of the flower of Europa, and suggested to the other belligerents that they simply end it.”
Really? Erich, another outstanding nitwit, masterminded the Battle of Verdun in 1916. The concept was simple. Lure the poilu into a ‘meatgrinder’ that would kill as many as possible. Sure enough, Erich killed 600,000. Unfortunately half were German, sacrificed for absolutely nothing. Erich was dismissed 29 Aug 1916.
“Germany...saw it for what it was, a fratricidal slaughter”.
Messianic? About a four-time bankrupt real estate developer? A guy who steals family crests? Get a grip.
“But now is a new time wiz, one where there’s no longer a quisling puppet in the White House. (or so at least we can hope!)”
Wow, Rurik! Going to demand a tithe next? Offer a prayer cloth from Wötan or a vial of holy water from some sacred fjord?
“...let’s at least make this a bipartisan prayer, (so to speak). Let’s both ‘send it out to the universe’ and plead to whatever power that amuses itself with the follies and affairs of man’s quixotic, enigmatic, and tragicomic existence, to intervene here and make all of our lives infinitely better with just one big malignant tumor. For the love of God, for the love of His people, and for the love of truth, honestly, dignity, life, happiness and goodness all around.”
“That is my earnest prayer...and so heed it please Lord, and spread your blessings upon your beleaguered children.”
Oh please,
The biggest terrorist entity in this world is the ZUSA & its various allies, such as Britain, Zaudi Arabia, etc… and by a wide margin too.
The ZUSA & allies have been bombing, sanctioning, invading, occupying and murdering people in various Muslim countries for over 20 years now, all under spurious pretexts…
Killing, wounding, starving & displacing millions. That is terrorism on steroids.
Also, the ZUSA & ZUK – even France – all have a long history of covertly supporting & using Wahhabi extremists in various ways…
The ZUSA, ZUK & France have used Wahhabi mercenaries in Libya & have long been using them in Syria. Al-Qaeda in Syria has been covertly supported by the ZUSA & ISIS’ reign of terror was deliberately sponsored as a tool for the ZUSA to re-insert itself into Iraq & create a pretext for the US to illegally invade Syria supposedly to fight… ISIS… which the US & its allies helped create.
The biggest alleged Muslim terrorist attack, 9-11, as Rurik points out, was an obvious inside job, a false flag op. The official story does not have a leg to stand on…
Backing up the above with some evidence;
American Officials Admit that the U.S. Is a Huge Sponsor of Terrorism
The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom – noted:
Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.
Odom also said:
By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
The Washington Post reported in 2010:
“The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism, according to a secret CIA analysis released Wednesday by the Web site WikiLeaks.”
The head and special agent in charge of the FBI’s Los Angeles office said that most terror attacks are committed by our CIA and FBI.
Ted Gunderson Former FBI Chief – Most Terror Attacks Are Committed By Our CIA And FBI
Former US Ranger Jack Murphy, after talking to US spec ops instructors training “Syrian Rebels” in Turkey and Jordan, wrote;
…a former Green Beret says of America’s covert and clandestine programs to train and arm
Syrian militias. “Everyone on the ground knows they are jihadis. No one on the ground believes in this mission or this effort, and they know they are just training the next generation of jihadis…Distinguishing between the FSA and al-Nusra is impossible, because they are virtually the same organization. As early as 2013, FSA commanders were defecting with their entire units to join al-Nusra. There, they still retain the FSA monicker, but it is merely for show, to give the appearance of secularism so they can maintain access to weaponry provided by the CIA and Saudi intelligence services. The reality is that the FSA is little more than a cover for the al-Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra.
Nkorea is not a communist country – it is a country run by a cult, based on genetic purity of tribe. The people of NKorea are not candidates for democracy. The people of NKorea are into this fanatical tribal purity. Currently making rational sense of NKorea is not in the cards of possibility. We should make peace with what they are.
So why does North Korea want nuclear weapons, especially ones that can reach the United States? It wants them for the same reason that Cuba, another communist state, wanted nuclear weapons back in 1962 — for defensive purposes.
Defense against whom? Defense against the U.S government, of course.
Think back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Cuba had never attacked the United States or even threatened to do so. It was the CIA that had attacked Cuba. The reason? Regime change, a core principal of the U.S. national-security state since its inception after WWII. Both the Pentagon and the CIA were determined to oust Fidel Castro from power and replace him with a pro-U.S. dictator, similar to the one who Castro ousted from power, Fulgencio Batista.
That was the purpose of those Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba — not to start a nuclear war with the United States but simply to deter the U.S. government from invading Cuba again and effecting a regime-change operation there.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47388.htm
No fake peace from me, every time Tra-la-lah (pbuh) uses the word, it is a lie.
It is really moronic of you to think that things like axe heads and boats prove that germanics created a civilization worthy of the name. Where are the pagan Germanic monuments? Where are their books on literature, history, religion, philosophy? Where is their math, science and technology? Why were they considered primitive barbarians by the greeks and romans who founded western civilization?
Before you run down old Nordics as primitives go visit the museums in Denmark and Sweden. You will find beautifully sculpted bronze axe heads that date to 1500 b.c.
Hey, I’m sorry I called you a moron.
But I still disagree with you.
Of course the Germans didn’t leave a permanent record as did the Greeks because the Germans worked in wood and the Greeks in marble. A boat is just as much a testament to human achievement as is a marble temple. And the bronze casting of the Danes was as good as anything in the world. What you say notwithstanding, metal working is an indication of high culture and you have to have sharp tools to carve wood.
Remember too that the Germans (or some type of precursor) followed the retreat of the glaciers and just as in Alaska today, civilization (such as it is) on the fringe of retreating ice sheets is of necessity primitive, consisting as it does of trapping and hunting, trading furs for manufactured goods.
I won’t argue with you about philosophy etc. I have studied Classics and Philosophy, History of Mathematics and without question, the Greeks set a high bar. I’ve read the Icelandic Sagas and found little reason to argue your point.
But I still think its a mistake to dismiss Nordic civilization with a dismissive wave of the hand. They weren’t barbarians. They were rural people who made their living from farming, herding, fishing and hunting.
Any thoughts on this?
Medieval sources are full of BS, you cannot believe them at face value
Such ideas deserve to exist, but considering the rigidity of the established narrative any such ideas will be always anathematize as fringe and heretic. And unfortunately they also attract real freak scientists like Fomenko, which does not add any credibility to such ideas. While in fact a lot of the established history is very doubtful, but one cannot question it lest one will be excommunicated from the scientific historical community. For its rigidity and authoritarian mind-set the historical academia is hardly different from other “social studies”.
I don’t think the military advantage of steppe nomads over sedentary populations in the pre-modern era is controversial;
Controversial because to wage war you need resources, while the harsh Mongolian steppe has always lacked that. Look for how the Kalmyks have happened to live near Volga and what they endured during their trip. Logistics: a great deal of historians always ignore this important thing.
if you’re interested, just read the relevant sections in Azar Gat’s “War in human civilization”.
From its table of content I imagine it is another typical Western humanitarian (I’d even say Talmudic, considering the author) empty talk. I doubt it’s worth my time to read. Does he mention anything about logistics?
Of course medieval sources are often unreliable in their numbers, but you can’t just dismiss everything in them and construct some alternative history out of your own imagination.
Not to dismiss, but not to take at face value. And you must have confused me with somebody, but I have not constructed some alternative history. Sorry, I did not know that to question the established historical narrative is a crime against history. But after all we are in a revisionist thread
And some of those texts were by eyewitnesses who had the misfortune of personal experience of the Mongol invasion.
The journos from WP and NYT are also witnesses, alright. Or if we return to the main topic of the thread, the innumerable eyewitnesses of WWII. We even can not make up and agree on what have happened 70 years ago, but we pretend we are 100% damn sure what have happened 700 years ago. Because, because, well, decayed mediaeval scrolls cannot lie!
After all, I did not say that the Mongols had not existed or something like that. I disagree with the idea that Mongols were superhuman super warriors, omnipotent destroyers and exterminators, who destroyed dozens of Asian civilizations and exterminated bazillions of people. Their empire must have worked some other way.
Are you unaware of the Liberal government’s moves toward a welfare state in Britain circa 1910? Apparently not? And has it occured to you that two years conscription into the Germàn army was a pretty big negative to set against a few paternalistic welfare state type payouts designed to win enough support to offset the lack of democratic rights and freedoms?
That’s the best comment on the subject I’ve ever read. As eloquent as it is true.
Unfortunately, the message will be misunderstood, sneered at, and twisted beyond recognition.
I’d think that those who are terrified of the Void are those who think a bit too much of themselves, and as you say, they would do well to grow up.
Speaking of wilderness, you are correct and I would add that everyone would do themselves a favor and make an effort to get out on a clear night and observe the Milky Way. One would do well to consider that many “stars” beyond it are actually other galaxies many times larger than our own.
If that doesn’t set one’s mind straight, nothing will.
Where on earth did you get the impression that Germany started WW1?
The type cannot get beyond Allied propaganda. I’ve argued the point numerous times without effect. Apparently at least some of them have now heard about H.E. Barnes, so maybe that’s a start.
Good luck, but I predict that soon enough you’ll see that it’s not worth spending much time answering them.
On p.105, Russian historian Pavlova summarizes that from an objective point of view, the preemptive character of Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union cannot really be denied, given that it forestalled the massive & imminent Red Army offensive against Germany.
- From the outset Stalin reckoned on a war with Germany, and the [Soviet] conquest of Germany. To this end, Stalin concentrated on the western border of the USSR operational offensive forces, which were five- to six-times stronger than the Wehrmacht with respect to tanks, aircraft and artillery.
Germany only attacked because of the very real threat that Soviet Russia represented, which became clear through various provocations.
It was a Soviet Russia, that had the full support of some of the world’s richest banksters, I might add.
Those simple concepts, while true and extremely easy to grasp, still elude most of the population. It’s really unfortunate that things so readily apparent still remain mysteries even when they’re pointed out so clearly. Thread bare, century old Allied propaganda still prevails in the minds of the simple.
The only remedy, if any, is probably repetition, so thanks!
world's richest Jewish banksters? like the ones who funded Trotsky? I just typed a frustrated diatribe on today's "Christianity", and the 'Christians' who can't get enough of wars and slaughter and Israel's version of genocide, terrorism and rapine in the holy land, so long as it's all being done by "God's chosen people", for whom no amount of moral abasement is enough for today's "Christians" (especially the German version). I put it all down to venality. The leadership of Christianity today is fundamentally [heh] corrupt and avaricious and venal. Rotten IOW, and this is why so many of the things you mention are true; that Western civilization is so dumbed down that they're sheep to the slaughter, and the men and women with the cattle prods pushing the children of the West to die in Eternal Wars for Israel, are as often "Christian' as anything else. But they've become so used to being on their knees, as self-loathing 'sinners'- too terrified of thinking for themselves, that there doesn't seem to be any humiliation or wanton slaughter so egregious that they won't embrace it. lemmings And people like me are horrified to watch them all march off the cliff, but if we try to tell them - its a fool's errand, because being proudly, militantly dogmatic and eternal followers, they'll Pavlovian-like remember their catechisms and kneejerk howl their feeble denunciations.
It was a Soviet Russia, that had the full support of some of the world’s richest banksters, I might add.Those simple concepts, while true and extremely easy to grasp, still elude most of the population. It’s really unfortunate that things so readily apparent still remain mysteries even when they’re pointed out so clearly. Thread bare, century old Allied propaganda still prevails in the minds of the simple.
Agreed, accuracy in language is important and while “Zionism” can be a reasonable proxy, it’s often inaccurate. And I hope you are are right about the rise of counter-movements like BDS, but we shall see. BTW, while there’s no doubting Jewish intellectual abilities and initiative, Israeli tech and military success comes largely off of their parasitical relationship with the West, mainly the US.
Good omments there. Those who’ve responded negatively once again demonstrate that they don’t know what they’re talking about.
One claimed “Wilhelmine Germany invented aerial bombing of civilians Jan 1915″ but is clearly errant. Way off, in fact, as per usual, and the claim is debunked with ease.
The first time a city was bombed from the air was in 1849…
http://ideas.ted.com/the-warfare-tactic-that-crushed-cities-but-not-spirits/
Aerial bombing from heavier-than-air aircraft was apparently first done in Libya, over a century ago, by an Italian pilot who carried out the first ever air raid. The Italian pilot Giulio Gavotti dropped 1.5 kg of bombs on Ain Zara, a village 8 km west of the capital Tripoli. The fact that Turkish forces were encamped there does not nullify the claim. It was indiscriminate bombing of an oasis where non combatants were as likely to be as actual combatants.
During fighting in November 1911 between Italy and forces loyal to the Turkish, Ottoman Empire, Lieutenant Giulio Gavotti wrote in a letter to his father: “Today I have decided to try to throw bombs from the aeroplane.
“It is the first time that we will try this and if I succeed, I will be really pleased to be the first person to do it.”
Here’s another pre-1915 example. Adrianople was a city and likely contained civilians. Whether they were intended as a target is moot.
Bulgarian airmen prepare for a mission to drop a bomb by hand on Adrianople (now Edirne, Turkey), from their Bleriot XI aircraft, during the First Balkan War, circa 1913. The Bulgarian Air Force was the first to use aircraft for offensive military action.
http://world.time.com/2012/10/08/the-balkan-wars-scenes-from-the-frontlines/photo/bulgarian-bomber/
Before you run down old Nordics as primitives go visit the museums in Denmark and Sweden. You will find beautifully sculpted bronze axe heads that date to 1500 b.c.
It is really moronic of you to think that things like axe heads and boats prove that germanics created a civilization worthy of the name. Where are the pagan Germanic monuments? Where are their books on literature, history, religion, philosophy? Where is their math, science and technology? Why were they considered primitive barbarians by the greeks and romans who founded western civilization?
and grew into the most intelligent, virulent, proud, hardy, fiercely independent, fighting off Romans and Ottomans and everyone else who dared raise a sword on their ancient lands. Until they were seduced by Christianity, with its talk of honesty, truth, kindness and love that most certainly resonated within their noble blood, until today, when the ravages of that Middle Eastern nonsense about spreading the other cheek has them handing over their lands and their daughters to Muslim invaders. A lot of good the religion of living on your knees and spreading the other cheek has done them, (and the rest of us) eh?
Germanics were human sacrificing pagans for a hell of a lot longer than they have been Christians.
this is pure idiocyChristianity has become the death knell of Sweden and Western Europe, not its savior. Take a look at how Markel's Christian democrats have doomed Germany. Or the whining, politically correct, prostrate, abased, self-loathing Swedes are fairing today in Sweden. Now more than ever they should heed the blood-call of the ancient Gods of vigor of their ancestors, and toss these pitiful African and Middle Eastern invaders out on their arses, along with all the crybaby Christians and other abased, obsequious worms slithering in the government and media and institutions demanding Sweden commit suicide to save their souls.
So how do you explain the inability of swedes and the rest of the germanics to create a civilization of their own for thousands of years after other races had succeeded?
Yesterday according to Rurik:
our civil Christian culture is a direct representation of our blood.
Today according to Rurik (after yours truly posted some inconvenient truths):
Christianity has become the death knell of Sweden and Western Europe, not its savior…….Now more than ever they should heed the blood-call of the ancient Gods of vigor of
their ancestors
your 'inconvenient truths' were, if I remember correctly, that until the Nordic people adopted Christianity, they were basically wallowing in the mud. This is a common refrain, and wrong.
Today according to Rurik (after yours truly posted some inconvenient truths):
Organised Jewry has indeed existed in changing forms and strengths for a long time (compare perhaps old fashioned Protestant churches who are now led by women clergy pushing for the ordination of transgender dogs etc ). Jews organising as Jews were, for example, by no means all Zionists 100 years ago. I note that typical Reform Jewry in America has tended to be secular and assimilitative although unsurprisingly not anti-Zionist and certainly and understandably susceptible to Israel’s very strong propaganda weapons such as the Holocaust, the providing of refuge for Soviet Jews etc. No doubt some pride to in overturning stereotypes of the stetl Jew by military success and the more recent flowering of the high tech Israeli economy.
I doubt if organised Jewry or even a few rich Jews who had the President’s ear had anything like the systematised power before some time in the 60s or 70s or even later that they have now when the Cold War is no longer a competing factor and American politics has been totally corrupted by money. Mind you the costs of American health care and governments’ rising unfunded liabiliries compete pretty well with the Israel lobby for damage to ordinary Americans.
Specifically, I don’t think “Organised Jewry ” is a particularly useful substitute for a description that emphasises Israel because I can’t see anything much uniting Jews strongly and uniformly except defence of Israel. Preferential access to the Ivies? Maybe, for a minority.
I should perhaps have added elsewhere (to Rurik?) that I think Israel has probably reached peak influence. Numbers do count and the growth of BDS is a sign of what may be coming.
lost while editing…. Despite my scorn for your insularity I am not happy that “The American Century” has already collapsed with the American form and substance of government no longer being a worthwhile model of “government for the people”,
hi wiz,
What on earth did Zionism have to do with causing WW1 – or WW2 for that matter?
I won’t take issue over accuracy or bias but note the amusing way that you confirm non-Americans old impressions of American insularoty and ignorance of the the rest of the world (one of the more recent areas for derision has been the low number of Congressmen with passports when elected and Governor George W. Bush never having travelled outside the US eccept to Mexico). I have tended to resist such scornful jibes but here you are promoting them up front with your indifference to America’s part in WW1 being very late and quite perkpheral (except that it had the advantage of being still fresh and actually richer. As to WW2, America’s late entry into it can be regarded as a mere two and a quarter years if measured from Hitler’s attack on Poland up to at least four if you count Japan’s second 1930s attack on China. You may have overllooked that Britain in the late 30s actually restricted Jewish immigration to Palestine: so much for your nonsense that WW2 was a Zionist creation.
As to your “genocidal slaughter of the flower of Europa” you seem to have overlooked that the truly genocidal slaughter was of Jews although what both Nazis and Soviet forces did in Poland to the intelligentsia and upper classes was genocidally intended. It was actually WW1 which could be (and was) tegarded as destroying the flower of some countries’ educated and intelligent upper classes compounded by the fact that the volunteer officer class of Britain was from the first generation since birth control had begun to reduce family size markedly starting with the educated. Earlier phenomena of restricted fertility as in 17th century Britain and 19th century France and Ireland are I think interesting phenomena and maybe also dysgenic.
as for America's involvement in WWI, all I said was:
I won’t take issue over accuracy or bias but note the amusing way that you confirm non-Americans old impressions of American insularoty and ignorance... [blah, blah..] but here you are promoting them up front with your indifference to America’s part in WW1 being very late and quite perkpheral (except that it had the advantage of being still fresh and actually richer.
now what does that have to do with Americans being fresh?
'the Balfour Declaration proves that America's involvement in WWI was a direct act of treachery on behalf of Zionism by treasonous and disloyal Jews who controlled our newspapers and others (Woodrow Wilson, et al)'
what was the end result of WW2 wiz?
so much for your nonsense that WW2 was a Zionist creation.
unleash the awesome power of Thor’s nuclear hammer on an Islamic city for every act of terror on our shores, their mischief would stop immediately.
yes, but we should always keep in mind that the worst of these “terror” attacks are done by Israel, as a false flag to get us to kill their myriad and well-earned enemies.
From the Lusitania to Liberty to 9/11, these murderous and treacherous fiends have been using us as chumps and Janissaries to kill people who’ve done us no harm, like the Iraqis or Libyans, or Syrians today, whose nation we destroyed to bolster Israel.
When I am King, heads will roll.
Skol to that!
It reminded me of similar polls in Russia after the fall of the SU. Although Yeltsin's popularity was at an all-time low of 6%, the (((Russian))) oligarchs made him an offer he couldn't refuse. They promised him they would do everything in their power to help him win the election, if and only if he agreed to give them control and ownership of the Crown Jewels. And miracle of miracles he won... just like a Rocky movie, he came back from the dead.
National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our population favored a similar course for America.
It reminded me of similar polls in Russia after the fall of the SU. Although Yeltsin’s popularity was at an all-time low of 6%, the (((Russian))) oligarchs made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
we have a front-row seat view to how it’s all done Geo, just by watching their incessant lies for war right now. CNN is nothing but 24/7 lies about Russia. And they all march in lock-step to the lies, like the pathetic sheep they are, and no doubt were back then.
wars are ‘good for the Jews’, so it seems, so long as other people fight and die in them
here’s to hoping that Trump and Putin and the rest of us can somehow pull back their reins of the demonic schemes
It reminded me of similar polls in Russia after the fall of the SU. Although Yeltsin's popularity was at an all-time low of 6%, the (((Russian))) oligarchs made him an offer he couldn't refuse. They promised him they would do everything in their power to help him win the election, if and only if he agreed to give them control and ownership of the Crown Jewels. And miracle of miracles he won... just like a Rocky movie, he came back from the dead.
National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our population favored a similar course for America.
Apologies to TC. I somehow hit “reply” to the wrong comment.
and grew into the most intelligent, virulent, proud, hardy, fiercely independent, fighting off Romans and Ottomans and everyone else who dared raise a sword on their ancient lands. Until they were seduced by Christianity, with its talk of honesty, truth, kindness and love that most certainly resonated within their noble blood, until today, when the ravages of that Middle Eastern nonsense about spreading the other cheek has them handing over their lands and their daughters to Muslim invaders. A lot of good the religion of living on your knees and spreading the other cheek has done them, (and the rest of us) eh?
Germanics were human sacrificing pagans for a hell of a lot longer than they have been Christians.
this is pure idiocyChristianity has become the death knell of Sweden and Western Europe, not its savior. Take a look at how Markel's Christian democrats have doomed Germany. Or the whining, politically correct, prostrate, abased, self-loathing Swedes are fairing today in Sweden. Now more than ever they should heed the blood-call of the ancient Gods of vigor of their ancestors, and toss these pitiful African and Middle Eastern invaders out on their arses, along with all the crybaby Christians and other abased, obsequious worms slithering in the government and media and institutions demanding Sweden commit suicide to save their souls.
So how do you explain the inability of swedes and the rest of the germanics to create a civilization of their own for thousands of years after other races had succeeded?
What you say is true, brother.
The Muzzies, Jews and indulgent, do-gooder Christians stir up trouble amongst us only because we fight them with one hand tied behind our backs. Were we to unleash the awesome power of Thor’s nuclear hammer on an Islamic city for every act of terror on our shores, their mischief would stop immediately. These Middle Eastern one-allseeing-eye-in-the-desert-sky-worshipping types live by our indulgence and they shouldn’t be allowed to forget it. We coddle them.
When I am King, heads will roll.
yes, but we should always keep in mind that the worst of these "terror" attacks are done by Israel, as a false flag to get us to kill their myriad and well-earned enemies.
unleash the awesome power of Thor’s nuclear hammer on an Islamic city for every act of terror on our shores, their mischief would stop immediately.
Skol to that!
When I am King, heads will roll.
Odom also said:
Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.
The Washington Post reported in 2010:
By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
...a former Green Beret says of America's covert and clandestine programs to train and arm
Syrian militias. "Everyone on the ground knows they are jihadis. No one on the ground believes in this mission or this effort, and they know they are just training the next generation of jihadis...
Distinguishing between the FSA and al-Nusra is impossible, because they are virtually the same organization. As early as 2013, FSA commanders were defecting with their entire units to join al-Nusra. There, they still retain the FSA monicker, but it is merely for show, to give the appearance of secularism so they can maintain access to weaponry provided by the CIA and Saudi intelligence services. The reality is that the FSA is little more than a cover for the al-Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra.
Germanics were human sacrificing pagans for a hell of a lot longer than they have been Christians.
and grew into the most intelligent, virulent, proud, hardy, fiercely independent, fighting off Romans and Ottomans and everyone else who dared raise a sword on their ancient lands.
Until they were seduced by Christianity, with its talk of honesty, truth, kindness and love that most certainly resonated within their noble blood, until today, when the ravages of that Middle Eastern nonsense about spreading the other cheek has them handing over their lands and their daughters to Muslim invaders.
A lot of good the religion of living on your knees and spreading the other cheek has done them, (and the rest of us) eh?
So how do you explain the inability of swedes and the rest of the germanics to create a civilization of their own for thousands of years after other races had succeeded?
this is pure idiocy
Christianity has become the death knell of Sweden and Western Europe, not its savior.
Take a look at how Markel’s Christian democrats have doomed Germany. Or the whining, politically correct, prostrate, abased, self-loathing Swedes are fairing today in Sweden.
Now more than ever they should heed the blood-call of the ancient Gods of vigor of their ancestors, and toss these pitiful African and Middle Eastern invaders out on their arses, along with all the crybaby Christians and other abased, obsequious worms slithering in the government and media and institutions demanding Sweden commit suicide to save their souls.
Today according to Rurik (after yours truly posted some inconvenient truths):
our civil Christian culture is a direct representation of our blood.
Christianity has become the death knell of Sweden and Western Europe, not its savior.......Now more than ever they should heed the blood-call of the ancient Gods of vigor of
their ancestors
Thanks for sharing the Lindbergh speech, Rurik.
I was especially struck by this quote:
National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our population favored a similar course for America.
It reminded me of similar polls in Russia after the fall of the SU. Although Yeltsin’s popularity was at an all-time low of 6%, the (((Russian))) oligarchs made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. They promised him they would do everything in their power to help him win the election, if and only if he agreed to give them control and ownership of the Crown Jewels. And miracle of miracles he won… just like a Rocky movie, he came back from the dead.
we have a front-row seat view to how it's all done Geo, just by watching their incessant lies for war right now. CNN is nothing but 24/7 lies about Russia. And they all march in lock-step to the lies, like the pathetic sheep they are, and no doubt were back then. wars are 'good for the Jews', so it seems, so long as other people fight and die in them here's to hoping that Trump and Putin and the rest of us can somehow pull back their reins of the demonic schemes
It reminded me of similar polls in Russia after the fall of the SU. Although Yeltsin’s popularity was at an all-time low of 6%, the (((Russian))) oligarchs made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
There is irony here Art.
My opinion of the German people is going down – they still accept leadership dictates – taking in all those mad refugee people is crazy – they listen to Merkel like they followed Hitler.
“I have to wonder, if Putin and Trump are = Hitler, was even Hitler = Hitler?”
There ya’ go mate. The reason they have to pound the theme home to us every evening with some program about the Nazis on TV is that without the artificial propping up of the bogus flats, we would see the entire theatre set for what it is, a painted illusion. If Hitler were who they say he was and if their version of events were true, those would stand on their own merits.
“So how do you explain the inability of swedes and the rest of the germanics to create a civilization of their own for thousands of years after other races had succeeded? ”
I’m not ordinarily rude but I’m getting tired of this.
You are an ignorant MORON!
Before you run down old Nordics as primitives go visit the museums in Denmark and Sweden. You will find beautifully sculpted bronze axe heads that date to 1500 b.c. Elegant, form following function synthesizing art and utility, the direct lineal precursors of Scandinavian design that is justly admired today. To say nothing of their magnificent ships that owed nothing to the prophet of the unrelenting, blinding light of the harsh desert. Your Jesus is a poor, dusty carpenter compared to our magnificent ship-building, world-exploring Thor!
Metalworking of this high a caliber is definitely not the product of troglodytes. Even the flint axes that preceded these are works of art.
It reminded me of similar polls in Russia after the fall of the SU. Although Yeltsin's popularity was at an all-time low of 6%, the (((Russian))) oligarchs made him an offer he couldn't refuse. They promised him they would do everything in their power to help him win the election, if and only if he agreed to give them control and ownership of the Crown Jewels. And miracle of miracles he won... just like a Rocky movie, he came back from the dead.
National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our population favored a similar course for America.
It is really moronic of you to think that things like axe heads and boats prove that germanics created a civilization worthy of the name. Where are the pagan Germanic monuments? Where are their books on literature, history, religion, philosophy? Where is their math, science and technology? Why were they considered primitive barbarians by the greeks and romans who founded western civilization?
Before you run down old Nordics as primitives go visit the museums in Denmark and Sweden. You will find beautifully sculpted bronze axe heads that date to 1500 b.c.
That is actually not a bad point, but I take his comment to use the more modern (if perhaps narrow) term “Zionism” for the more accurate (if somewhat unwieldy) term “Organized Jewry”. Do you dispute that such a thing exists?
What on earth did Zionism have to do with causing WW1 – or WW2 for that matter?
hi wiz,
the Balfour Declaration proves that America’s involvement in WWI was a direct act of treachery on behalf of Zionism by treasonous and disloyal Jews who controlled our newspapers and others (Woodrow Wilson, et al)
what was the end result of WWII (and the genocidal slaughter of the flower of Europa), imposed by Zionist Jews and others (FDR, Churchill)…
… but Israel, rising out of the ashes of Europe
duh
here’s Charles Lindbergh’s patriotic speech on the verge of America going to WWII
(I invite the moderators to use the “more” link:)
At least Barrett’s rubbish, which would make Frankopan embarrassed to have him as a reviewer, gave me the occasion to read and question what appears to be a minor item of rubbish in your Comment. What on earth did Zionism have to do with causing WW1 – or WW2 for that matter?
hi wiz,
What on earth did Zionism have to do with causing WW1 – or WW2 for that matter?
Hear hear - you have got that right - 9/11 has pushed the US totally into the 15,000,000 strong Jew Matrix camp.
But my main point (I know, I know, get on with it already!)… is that IMHO, neither the exaggerations of the Holocaust or the treachery of the world wars are what should occupy our efforts are getting to the truth, but rather 9/11 is the ticket to freeing the planet from the devil’s death grip.
Hey Art,
My opinion of the German people is going down – they still accept leadership dictates – taking in all those mad refugee people is crazy – they listen to Merkel like they followed Hitler.
There is irony here Art.
The only reason the German people are going down is because they’ve been ravaged and eviscerated and hounded and demonized like no people ever since the Old Testament gloried in the genocide of Israel’s enemies (everyone ele).
It is directly due to the ubiquitous smears of the German people as ‘Nazis!!’ and ‘racists!!’ that are causing them to lose their dignity and will to survive as a people. The Germans are a magnificent race of humans with a glorious past. They’re the engine of Europe’s economy and the pride of Europa, but they’ve been so relentlessly bashed by the ‘people of envy, malice and hate’, for generation after inglourious generation, that they’re giving up.
They don’t have the energy to fight not only the tribe, but those of the goyem who’ve joined in on the fun of pilling on for their own personal advancement
what ever you want to say about Hitler, he and his Nazis are all long dead. But their memory and their notoriety is now used as a weapon by the Jews to destroy anything and anyone who gets in their way. Just like the way today they compare Donald Trump or Putin = Adolf Hitler.
It’s long past time since we play along with these people’s tiresome (and genocidal) narrative. I have to wonder, if Putin and Trump are = Hitler, was even Hitler = Hitler?
Or is that ultimate boogey man just the expression of the ((tribe’s)) angst over being put out of total power over a people / victim / host, as was certainly the case during the Weimar regime, when the tribe lorded it over the prostrate and betrayed German people like no other.
because not enough people stood up against the lies re WW2, the holohoax, etc, these falsehoods have become “facts” which are to this day used by the powers that be to justify all sorts of illegal wars.
I don’t think it was the lies per se. Rather it’s the liars. If you took possession today of the Federal Reserve Bank, and with that unlimited power of the purse – purchased every media outlet, every Internet outlet of consequence, every politician and every judge, inserted your people into the universities and all the ad agencies until it was your voice alone that rang out from California to Poland, and from S. Africa to Greenland, then in no time flat all those lies that were told would melt away like kosher butter in the sun, and the memes and paradigms and mantras would be yours to write into the history books.
All it would take is a decade of movies and TV shows, school text books and billboards telling the truth, and the lies would slither into the dank crevices and die, and the truth would ring from all the lands.
But you’d have to control the narrative. That’s all. Once you do, you’d be able to create a popular culture to suit your inner-most deeply held wishes and aspirations. If you wanted people to consider Israel a murderous, genocidal apartheid state, it’d be as simple as telling the truth. Something that is verboten today.
Being as ((they)) own all of those things, from the Fed on down to who’s deciding what’s in your child’s text books, today ((they)) have that power over our culture and institutions, and that is the reality that we live in.
But with 9/11, something so immediate and outrages and documented, I suspect that if anything does have the power to open (especially young) people’s minds, then that is it.
They can lie like a wiz 24/7, but with videos of building’s plopping into their basements, and more and more people speaking out
http://yournewswire.com/cia-911-wtc7/
the truth-snowball just might create a firestorm.
and when the lies about 9/11 go, so too will all the other lies about WWII and all the rest, because all of those lies are all emanating out of the exact same orifice of zion.
Cheers
I didn’t bother about this article which seemed an odd fit for UR but then read RU’s astonishing Digest note which said it had top billing for Comments. Now I have been prompted to read up a bit on the unusual Frankopans, as they have taken to calling themseves (and good for them adding a bit of gaiety to boring reality and upsetting the Association of Croatian Noblity which is not polite about their claims to a title whose successive lines had, from memory, died out five times by 1600). And I have read some reviews of the best selling book which made no mention at all of anything to support Barrett’s thesis and give it qualified approval only for accuracy and balance on the rest. Altogether a strange beast to find in this alternative media webzine.
but I wasn't doing that Ace, I was simply pointing out why those that froth about Hitler! and Nazis! under the bed, are doing so. Pointing out how pathetic they are, is not the same as romanticizing Hitler, no?
This romanticizing of Hitler as a hero of the “white race” is wrong headed.
his hubris and mistakes were catastrophic, I agree
He is responsible for killing more white people than anyone else in the last 1,000 years.
our civil Christian culture is a direct representation of our blood. Culture is nothing more or less than the earthly, mortal expression of our DNA. If you took ten thousands Swedes out of Sweden, and raised them in the Congo with zero ties to their native culture, in three generations they'd be building marvels among the mud huts. And philosophizing about the heavens, and their place in it. Conversely if you took ten thousand Congolese and raised them in Switzerland, in three generations they'd be raping each other and turning the place into a giant Detroit.
It is our civil Christian culture of personal cooperation and hope for the future, that makes us notable – not our war making native tribal nature.
he was a superlative genius, and visionary, but for a hero of the white race, I'd take the man I just mentioned on another thread; Charles [The Hammer] Martel.
Isaac Newton as a hero of the white race.
our civil Christian culture is a direct representation of our blood. Culture is nothing more or less than the earthly, mortal expression of our DNA.
This is funny considering that swedes/germanics do not even exist in the christian bible. Germanics were human sacrificing pagans for a hell of a lot longer than they have been Christians. Most of them have abandoned Christianity anyway. You look very stupid and ignorant attempting to tie religion and culture to blood and DNA.
If you took ten thousands Swedes out of Sweden, and raised them in the Congo with zero ties to their native culture, in three generations they’d be building marvels among the mud huts. And philosophizing about the heavens, and their place in it.
So how do you explain the inability of swedes and the rest of the germanics to create a civilization of their own for thousands of years after other races had succeeded? Swedes were christianized and civilized only in the 12th century.
and grew into the most intelligent, virulent, proud, hardy, fiercely independent, fighting off Romans and Ottomans and everyone else who dared raise a sword on their ancient lands. Until they were seduced by Christianity, with its talk of honesty, truth, kindness and love that most certainly resonated within their noble blood, until today, when the ravages of that Middle Eastern nonsense about spreading the other cheek has them handing over their lands and their daughters to Muslim invaders. A lot of good the religion of living on your knees and spreading the other cheek has done them, (and the rest of us) eh?
Germanics were human sacrificing pagans for a hell of a lot longer than they have been Christians.
this is pure idiocyChristianity has become the death knell of Sweden and Western Europe, not its savior. Take a look at how Markel's Christian democrats have doomed Germany. Or the whining, politically correct, prostrate, abased, self-loathing Swedes are fairing today in Sweden. Now more than ever they should heed the blood-call of the ancient Gods of vigor of their ancestors, and toss these pitiful African and Middle Eastern invaders out on their arses, along with all the crybaby Christians and other abased, obsequious worms slithering in the government and media and institutions demanding Sweden commit suicide to save their souls.
So how do you explain the inability of swedes and the rest of the germanics to create a civilization of their own for thousands of years after other races had succeeded?
Data source please? Per Angus Maddison, Mao’s China had lower average living standards than the US in 1820. Deng Xiaoping visited Singapore in November 1978 and convened a meeting of the Politburo in December 1978 to launch the “Open Door” policy reforms. Chinese living standards have multiplied by more than 10 since that time.
while I agree with you vis-a-vis Hitler's racial arrogance, with his talk of Aryans and 'lebensraum', it's also important I think to look at Hitler's (and Nazi Germany's) antics with a sense of history, and the enormities that were visited upon Germany by the monstrous treachery and betrayal after Germany laid down their arms at the end of WWI. Seduced by Wilson's (now infamous) 'Fourteen Points', Germany behaved nobly and trusted the allies to act in kind, only to be stabbed in the back, so to speak, and starved into slavery and destitution.
I have seen the patty-cake sing-along 1930’s speeches poor old Hitler gave. He is just so misunderstood.
Attacking all those nations was purely defensive.
But my main point (I know, I know, get on with it already!)… is that IMHO, neither the exaggerations of the Holocaust or the treachery of the world wars are what should occupy our efforts are getting to the truth, but rather 9/11 is the ticket to freeing the planet from the devil’s death grip.
Hear hear – you have got that right – 9/11 has pushed the US totally into the 15,000,000 strong Jew Matrix camp.
Chief Matrix man – Netanyahu said “that 9/11 would help Israel” – that is the gross understatement of the century.
My opinion of the German people is going down – they still accept leadership dictates – taking in all those mad refugee people is crazy – they listen to Merkel like they followed Hitler. Tribalism makes people dump – period.
Peace — Art
p.s. I do not use the Matrix Jew “h-word” – only the “six million lie.” There is no disputing that.
There is irony here Art.
My opinion of the German people is going down – they still accept leadership dictates – taking in all those mad refugee people is crazy – they listen to Merkel like they followed Hitler.
It is obvious you are insane.
The historical FACT is that your Nazi ancestors murdered ~100, 000 Polish intellectuals.
You are delusional: Intelligenzaktion. _was_ a Nazi operation.
Katyn was Katyn, and Intelligenzaktion was Intelligenzaktion.
You live in some kind of an alternative Universe.
Your Nazi German forebears murdered ~100,000 Polish intellectuals during operation Intelligenzaktion. Murders were carried out by units of Nazi German military specializing in war-crimes, mass-murder, torture, ….such the Einsatzgruppen.
It is obvious that you are a hasbara troll who will deflect historical FACT as it puts you Bolshevik jews in a bad light…
{….…the murders were carried out by Bolshevik communists}
Intelligenzaktion was carried out by Bolsheviks in 1939-1940?
I didn’t know Nazi German Einsatzgruppen were Bolshevik.
Maybe there is a parallel Universe where there was another WW2, and Nazi Germans there were Bolsheviks: is that the one you are referring to?
Nope…the murders were carried out by Bolshevik communists (not ordinary Russians). It is interesting to note that the Katyn massacre perpetrated by the Bolsheviks resulted in an unusual collaborative effort between the Germans and the Allies. There is a certain amount of denial by the Allies, who did not want to demonize the Bolsheviks, but were forced to by the evidence and by the participation of the International Red Cross…you see, it was jewish Bolsheviks that committed the massacre…
{My Polish friends who lived through WW2 described the Germans as very polite and professional.}
Wow: that is quite a revelation.
Amazing.
Did your alleged ‘Polish friends’ also describe the Intelligenzaktion as, quote, ‘polite and professional’?. You know, the aktion that murdered about 100,000 Polish élites (i.e. intelligentsia, teachers, priests, physicians, et al.)?
Maybe the murders were carried out politely and professionally by Nazi Germans?
The chronology of German ultimatums, spurned diplomatic alternatives, and launched invasions. Facts.
“Where on earth did you get the impression that Germany started WW1?”
Please quote the British acknowledgement. You refer to the Treaty of Versailles, signed by Germany. You state Germany had a “legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen” by the very treaty to which they agreed. Please post evidence of that right.
“And Germany’s “invasion” of its neighbors in WW2 was acknowledged even by the British as its legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen from it by the Treaty of Versailles.”
And so on. You must really be fun at parties!
"I spoke of owning one’s dark side and this seems to be particularly relevant to you. As Carl Jung said, “The brighter the light you bathe yourself in, the darker the shadow you cast.”
“You seem to be relatively unsophisticated and have little capacity for self-reflection so let me help you understand what he is saying.”
“When we assume the mantle of unblemished, righteous Virtue we immediately, in a Hegelian fashion, implicitly put others in a bad light–even though we are not aware of doing so. The Tao Te Ching teaches us the same lesson. It is a mechanism, a principle of the Universe. That’s why there is a light and dark side to the yin/yang symbol.”
“For Jung, the Shadow we cast was the unexamined dark side of our nature. Because it is at odds with the good we see in ourselves, we don’t want to acknowledge it, look into it and least of all, own it.”
You’ve obviously been too busy with Jungian therapy. Reprisal executuions are established facts in WW1 history. 23,700 Belgian civilians were thus dispatched. An additional 62,000 died from exposure and famine (unsurprising after the Germans burned civilian dwellings and made thousands homeless).“
“Are you arguing that the German Army deliberately massacred Belgium citizens? Prove that.”
I’ve nowhere mentioned ‘Jews in Poland’, ‘the SS’, ‘Jewish resistance’ on this thread . Why introduce those subjects TC? Troll? Your #327 continues with allusions to Sartre, fulcrums and:
Maybe of more concern to you; the execution of many Jews in Poland by the SS took place behind the battle lines and was in response to Jewish resistance attacks on German supply lines which killed German soldiers. Fine. War is Hell. But if a civilian takes up arms, they cannot then claim to be innocent and undeserving of retribution.”
Where did I posit “Germans mistreated Poles and Jews” on this thread?
“...Germans waged a more civilized war than the Allies...as Camus observed, in guerrilla war, there are no innocents...You’re absolutely correct that Germans mistreated Poles and Jews and that’s because they had convinced themselves that those two groups lay outside the classification of people who were protected by the umbrella of civilized treatment. In short, they were outsiders.”
My Polish friends who lived through WW2 described the Germans as very polite and professional. When there were German troop movements, an officer would go door-to-door to politely advise the occupants to stay indoors until the troops passed through. There were even individual acts of kindness demonstrated by German troops.
Of course, the gentile Polish people had no problem “ratting out” the communist commissars who were primarily jews…
It is interesting to note, that on the 50th anniversary of the June 8, 1967 deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5), NOT ONE MAJOR MEDIA OUTLET commemorated the event–not even a small “blurb”… Usually, the 50th anniversary of ANY event is mentioned…not so for this deliberate act of war…
This is PROOF that the “tribe” OWNS the media…
Which is precisely what scares the bejesus out of shills like inZitatus.
“… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.
If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”
- Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966
“ The task of revisionism has been to penetrate beneath these superficialities and appearances to the stark realities underneath — realities which show, certainly in this century, the United States, Great Britain, and France — the three great "democracies" — to be worse than any other three countries in fomenting and waging aggressive war. Realization of this truth would be of incalculable importance on the current scene.”
It’s no use L.K, you can’t get through to him. He’s armored himself with faux Virtue.
He keeps going on about the loss of lives in Belgium and asks what “right” the Germans had to invade Belgium in 1914 as though war were something to be debated by lawyers before the first stone is thrown in anger. He has a legalist’s mind.
Had Britain not stuck her nose in, WW1 would never have occurred. There would have been a brief war between Germany, Russia and France; it would have been settled in a year and the continent would have returned to peace. But Britain’s intervention turned it into a “World” war. Same with WW2. Both wars would have been regional contests and that would have been that. Neither Britain nor the United States had any business interfering in Continental disputes.
Of course, if Germany had won WW1, Incivitas would not argue on behalf of poor Belgium but rather on behalf of Germany. His schtick can only work in a setting in which the side he takes is the prevailing Law Of The Land–else his argument has no traction. He would be in Belgium’s face demanding reparations to be paid to the Nazis for loss of lives and property due to Belgium’s resistance. As a legalist he is a shameless opportunist. Standing upon Law gives him the sense of upholding What is Right and this allows him to shield his own selfish motives from himself as he advances his personal agenda. This is the Shadow at work. He blinds himself to his personal gain by shining the white light of Virtue upon his endeavor.
Through jacques sheete, I came upon this excellent article by Jewish American economist and historian, Murray Rothbard:
“… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.
If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”
Which is precisely what scares the bejesus out of shills like inZitatus.
“ The task of revisionism has been to penetrate beneath these superficialities and appearances to the stark realities underneath — realities which show, certainly in this century, the United States, Great Britain, and France — the three great “democracies” — to be worse than any other three countries in fomenting and waging aggressive war. Realization of this truth would be of incalculable importance on the current scene.”
- Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966
I should add that Höss is NOT an isolated case. There were several such incidents. For example, British journalist Alan Moorehead, described the treatment of some of the Belsen camp personnel after the british takeover:[Essay by A. Moorehead, “Belsen,” in: Cyril Connolly, ed., The Golden Horizon, pp. 105–106.]
As we approached the cells of the SS guards, the [British] sergeant’s language become ferocious. “We had had an interrogation this morning,” the captain said. ‘I’m afraid they are not a pretty sight.’ … The sergeant unbolted the first door and … strode into the cell, jabbing a metal spike in front of him. “Get up,” he shouted. “Get up. Get up, you dirty bastards.” There were half a dozen men lying or half lying on the floor. One or two were able to pull themselves erect at once. The man nearest me, his shirt and face spattered with blood, made two attempts before he got on to his knees and then gradually on to his feet. He stood with his arms stretched out in front of him, trembling violently.
“Come on. Get up,” the sergeant shouted [in the next cell]. The man was lying in his blood on the floor, a massive figure with a heavy head and bedraggled beard … “Why don’t you kill me?” he whispered. “Why don’t you kill me? I can’t stand it any more.” The same phrases dribbled out of his lips over and over again. “He’s been saying that all morning, the dirty bastard,” the sergeant said.
The chronology of German ultimatums, spurned diplomatic alternatives, and launched invasions. Facts.
“Where on earth did you get the impression that Germany started WW1?”
Please quote the British acknowledgement. You refer to the Treaty of Versailles, signed by Germany. You state Germany had a “legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen” by the very treaty to which they agreed. Please post evidence of that right.
“And Germany’s “invasion” of its neighbors in WW2 was acknowledged even by the British as its legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen from it by the Treaty of Versailles.”
And so on. You must really be fun at parties!
"I spoke of owning one’s dark side and this seems to be particularly relevant to you. As Carl Jung said, “The brighter the light you bathe yourself in, the darker the shadow you cast.”
“You seem to be relatively unsophisticated and have little capacity for self-reflection so let me help you understand what he is saying.”
“When we assume the mantle of unblemished, righteous Virtue we immediately, in a Hegelian fashion, implicitly put others in a bad light–even though we are not aware of doing so. The Tao Te Ching teaches us the same lesson. It is a mechanism, a principle of the Universe. That’s why there is a light and dark side to the yin/yang symbol.”
“For Jung, the Shadow we cast was the unexamined dark side of our nature. Because it is at odds with the good we see in ourselves, we don’t want to acknowledge it, look into it and least of all, own it.”
You’ve obviously been too busy with Jungian therapy. Reprisal executuions are established facts in WW1 history. 23,700 Belgian civilians were thus dispatched. An additional 62,000 died from exposure and famine (unsurprising after the Germans burned civilian dwellings and made thousands homeless).“
“Are you arguing that the German Army deliberately massacred Belgium citizens? Prove that.”
I’ve nowhere mentioned ‘Jews in Poland’, ‘the SS’, ‘Jewish resistance’ on this thread . Why introduce those subjects TC? Troll? Your #327 continues with allusions to Sartre, fulcrums and:
Maybe of more concern to you; the execution of many Jews in Poland by the SS took place behind the battle lines and was in response to Jewish resistance attacks on German supply lines which killed German soldiers. Fine. War is Hell. But if a civilian takes up arms, they cannot then claim to be innocent and undeserving of retribution.”
Where did I posit “Germans mistreated Poles and Jews” on this thread?
“...Germans waged a more civilized war than the Allies...as Camus observed, in guerrilla war, there are no innocents...You’re absolutely correct that Germans mistreated Poles and Jews and that’s because they had convinced themselves that those two groups lay outside the classification of people who were protected by the umbrella of civilized treatment. In short, they were outsiders.”
You are such a pathetic troll, inZitatus.
All this BS you are posting here, including this old crap blaming Germany for WW 1 has been refuted extensively, by moi and others, in other threads.
You are a ridiculous Troll, a disgraceful LIAR, & a complete intellectual FRAUD.
inZitatus to Solonto: “Still waiting on your sources for torture at Nüremberg ‘45-46.”
So cute…Lying and trolling comes all so naturally to you, eh? Obviously you are full of shit, because I myself had already provided you with evidence of torture re those show trials. I won’t let you forget, bitch:
As I said, Höss testimony is complete nonsense and the reason is that the man was tortured into ‘confessing’. How do I know? For one thing bc Höss himself wrote about it before execution – he was tortured by the Brits and the Poles – but also, because confirmation has come with the publication in England of a book containing the name of the chief torturer, a British sergeant, and a description by the torturer of the circumstances of Höss’s arrest, as well as his torture. The book is ‘Legions of Death’ by Rupert Butler, published in 1983.
Re Höss’ torture at the hands of the British as reported in the book ‘Legions of Death’, for which the author interviewed some of the torturers, Prof. Faurisson writes:
…The prisoner[Höss] was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: “Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.”
…The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell. (p. 237)
So it is that Bernard reveals “It took three days to get a coherent statement out of [Höss]” (ibid.). This admission was corroborated by Mr. Ken Jones in an article in the Wrexham Leader. (October 17,1986): Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the fifth Royal Horse Artillery stationed at Heid[e) in Schleswig-Holstein. “They brought him to us when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in the barracks,” recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join Höss in his cell to help break him down for interrogation. “We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance,” said Mr. Jones.
…Clarke’s statement, obtained under the conditions just described by bullies of British Military Security under the brutal inspiration of sergeant-interpreter Bernard Clarke, became Höss’s first confession, the original confession indexed under the number NO-1210.
Interesting how the torture methods are remarkably similar to recent cases, say, Zamerican torturers in the fraudulent “war on terror”.
Needless to say, I’m humbled by the academic force of those words!
“pathetic troll, BS, ridiculous Troll, disgraceful LIAR, complete intellectual FRAUD., So cute, Lying and trolling, you are full of shit, bitch”
Kindly post where you and I exchanged views on Nüremberg torture. You write you “already provided...evidence of torture.” Provide the date, post number, and UNZ link please.
“I myself had already provided you with evidence of torture re those show trials [Nüremberg ‘45-46]. I won’t let you forget, bitch: As I said, Höss testimony is complete nonsense and the reason is that the man was tortured into ‘confessing.’
Why do you omit the subtitle L.K? The book you source is titled ‘Legions of Death: The Nazi Enslavement of Europe.’ Disagree with the subtitle? Two and a half stars on Amazon (4 customer reviews). Are you (as Amazon reviewers comment) cherry picking the text as a “holocaust denier?”
“Re Höss’ torture at the hands of the British as reported in the book ‘Legions of Death’, for which the author interviewed some of the torturers...”
L.K, you didn't answer. Just as TC can’t say how the Entente was responsible for ordering German troops to invade Luxembourg, Belgium and France (post #64).
L.K I don’t doubt your love for Germany. I part ways with you when it comes to 20C Wilhelmine and Nazi leadership. I think it was the biggest enemy of the German People. Two catastrophic wars – the first ruined them financially. The second brought moral and physical ruin. For what?
Alternatives. Blame WW1 and WW2 on everybody but Germany. But whose troops were first to invade? Germany. So either German enemies mobilized and ordered German troops into battle (you’re not claiming that are you?), or German leadership underestimated the enemies they invaded. My bet’s on the second option. Which means German leadership was incompetent. And criminal. Period. Biggest loser? The German People. QED my critical stance on 20C German leadership. Their prime victims were the German People. And a lot of others as well.
Why didn’t Hitler supply his troops with winter gear in ‘41 L.K? Did he forget? Did the Jews (or FDR or Churchill) make him forget? Why did Adolf turn on his own people in ‘44-45 and order Speer to destroy Germany in an epic Wagnerian Götterdämmerung Morgenthau would envy? Was it because he loved the German People? Why did SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler pretend to be Sergeant Heinrich Hitzinger and quickly commit suicide on discovery? Was it because he was proud of his record?
-#529, http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/aipac-is-back-in-town/
while I agree with you vis-a-vis Hitler's racial arrogance, with his talk of Aryans and 'lebensraum', it's also important I think to look at Hitler's (and Nazi Germany's) antics with a sense of history, and the enormities that were visited upon Germany by the monstrous treachery and betrayal after Germany laid down their arms at the end of WWI. Seduced by Wilson's (now infamous) 'Fourteen Points', Germany behaved nobly and trusted the allies to act in kind, only to be stabbed in the back, so to speak, and starved into slavery and destitution.
I have seen the patty-cake sing-along 1930’s speeches poor old Hitler gave. He is just so misunderstood.
Attacking all those nations was purely defensive.
Rurik: “WWII and the Holocaust are ancient news for millennials, who couldn’t care less. But with 9/11, all the proof of their lies are as glaring as a YouTube video.”
Hmmm… because not enough people stood up against the lies re WW2, the holohoax, etc, these falsehoods have become “facts” which are to this day used by the powers that be to justify all sorts of illegal wars.
I am not so sure millennials care much about 9/11 either… how many even know a third building which was not hit by aircraft, collapsed just like in a controlled demolition setting?
Remember what I said about the USS Liberty? Ancient history too by now , eh? It is.
Few in the ZUSA know or care.
Give it some decades & 9-11 will go down the same road. Even in alternative media, a lot of which is about gatekeeping anyway, rarely is the obvious Zio/Israeli role/responsibility ever brought up.
Everything is important. I first woke up to the holohoax/ww2 lies, and that, in turn, made me a lot more suspicious about other events, including the 9-11 hoax.
Cheers
I don't think it was the lies per se. Rather it's the liars. If you took possession today of the Federal Reserve Bank, and with that unlimited power of the purse - purchased every media outlet, every Internet outlet of consequence, every politician and every judge, inserted your people into the universities and all the ad agencies until it was your voice alone that rang out from California to Poland, and from S. Africa to Greenland, then in no time flat all those lies that were told would melt away like kosher butter in the sun, and the memes and paradigms and mantras would be yours to write into the history books.
because not enough people stood up against the lies re WW2, the holohoax, etc, these falsehoods have become “facts” which are to this day used by the powers that be to justify all sorts of illegal wars.
‘My cup runneth over.’ I’m all a’tingle. More frantic compost spread to avoiding simple answers. Getting stale TC?
“Where on earth did you get the impression that Germany started WW1?”
The chronology of German ultimatums, spurned diplomatic alternatives, and launched invasions. Facts.
Discussed on several posts on this thread. Your 64, 103, 253, 262, 268, 308, 320. Mine(98, 235, 258, 304, 319. You’re unable to refute facts. Squid-like responses cover pretentious stupidity. Nonsense designed to evade substantiating your #64 (Entente responsible for WW1).
“And Germany’s “invasion” of its neighbors in WW2 was acknowledged even by the British as its legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen from it by the Treaty of Versailles.”
Please quote the British acknowledgement. You refer to the Treaty of Versailles, signed by Germany. You state Germany had a “legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen” by the very treaty to which they agreed. Please post evidence of that right.
Into your Jungian mystical shadow lands, another fig leaf for inability:
“I spoke of owning one’s dark side and this seems to be particularly relevant to you. As Carl Jung said, “The brighter the light you bathe yourself in, the darker the shadow you cast.”
“You seem to be relatively unsophisticated and have little capacity for self-reflection so let me help you understand what he is saying.”
“When we assume the mantle of unblemished, righteous Virtue we immediately, in a Hegelian fashion, implicitly put others in a bad light–even though we are not aware of doing so. The Tao Te Ching teaches us the same lesson. It is a mechanism, a principle of the Universe. That’s why there is a light and dark side to the yin/yang symbol.”
“For Jung, the Shadow we cast was the unexamined dark side of our nature. Because it is at odds with the good we see in ourselves, we don’t want to acknowledge it, look into it and least of all, own it.”
And so on. You must really be fun at parties!
But there’s more – your patronizing epistle #327:
“You equate Germany’s treatment of the Belgium Army with the Allies’ deliberate starvation, rape and massacre of innocent German civilians during and after the War. ”
Projection? Quote anything I’ve said about the “Belgium Army” versus the “deliberate starvation, rape and massacre of innocent German civilians during and after the War.” Please.
“Are you arguing that the German Army deliberately massacred Belgium citizens? Prove that.”
You’ve obviously been too busy with Jungian therapy. Reprisal executuions are established facts in WW1 history. 23,700 Belgian civilians were thus dispatched. An additional 62,000 died from exposure and famine (unsurprising after the Germans burned civilian dwellings and made thousands homeless).“
Maybe of more concern to you; the execution of many Jews in Poland by the SS took place behind the battle lines and was in response to Jewish resistance attacks on German supply lines which killed German soldiers. Fine. War is Hell. But if a civilian takes up arms, they cannot then claim to be innocent and undeserving of retribution.”
I’ve nowhere mentioned ‘Jews in Poland’, ‘the SS’, ‘Jewish resistance’ on this thread . Why introduce those subjects TC? Troll? Your #327 continues with allusions to Sartre, fulcrums and:
“…Germans waged a more civilized war than the Allies…as Camus observed, in guerrilla war, there are no innocents…You’re absolutely correct that Germans mistreated Poles and Jews and that’s because they had convinced themselves that those two groups lay outside the classification of people who were protected by the umbrella of civilized treatment. In short, they were outsiders.”
Where did I posit “Germans mistreated Poles and Jews” on this thread?
Need I say it TC? You’re so full of crap it’s amazing you don’t explode. Sacrifice half your troll pay, or double your Jungian analyst visits. Your current program’s inadequate. Your “dark side” is winning. Enough said. Best wishes.
PS. Hi to S2C. Glad to hear you’re getting in touch with your sensitive side. Still waiting on your sources for torture at Nüremberg ‘45-46. Don’t disappoint me!
Interesting how the torture methods are remarkably similar to recent cases, say, Zamerican torturers in the fraudulent "war on terror".
...The prisoner[Höss] was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse."
...The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell. (p. 237)
So it is that Bernard reveals "It took three days to get a coherent statement out of [Höss]" (ibid.). This admission was corroborated by Mr. Ken Jones in an article in the Wrexham Leader. (October 17,1986): Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the fifth Royal Horse Artillery stationed at Heid[e) in Schleswig-Holstein. "They brought him to us when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join Höss in his cell to help break him down for interrogation. "We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones.
...Clarke's statement, obtained under the conditions just described by bullies of British Military Security under the brutal inspiration of sergeant-interpreter Bernard Clarke, became Höss's first confession, the original confession indexed under the number NO-1210.
Was the UK “far behind the front” when Germany invented and initiated aerial bombing Jan 1915-Aug 1918? Think Germany would have hesitated for a moment in ‘39 if they had heavy bombers (Halifax's, Lancaster's, B-24s, B-17s and ample incendiary production? Germany bet on close air support (superb JU-87s) for surprise invasions. Dorniers and Heinkels were insignificant. Blame Göring.
“The bombing of civilian centers far behind the front by heavy bombers was completely different and initiated by the British, not the Germans.”
This is just ridiculous and evasive, although I do agree with you that war IS a crime. German bombing of England in World War 1 was limited to military and port targets. The Warsaw uprising in 1944 has nothing to do with your original point I was replying to, which was the beginning of the war in 1939. (And for the record I have never denied that the Germans did commit crimes in the course of the war in the East, only that these were exaggerated.) And of course you do not dispute my main point, that area bombing of purely CIVILIAN centers (i.e. with no objective beyond terror) in World War 2 was initiated by the British, NOT the Germans.
Comprende inglés reboludo? Your reading comprehension skills need some sharpening, amigo.
Perhaps next time you will read the whole comment twice and let it sink in for at least 5 minutes before insulting perfectly reasonable commenters that agree with your points?
Stop embarrassing yourself perro.
In what way were Poles and Jews in Poland "hosted" by Germans?
The moral to be drawn is that when your host asks you to leave then maybe you’d better go.
A. As we all know, Poland was handed some of Germany by the Versailles treaty.
B. As I said above, Hitler, in his infinite wisdom, thought of all Poles and Russkies as Slavs whom, he believed, didn’t belong in Nordic Europe. Of course, not all Poles are Slavs but Hitler was a fairly provincial man who didn’t travel a lot so he didn’t know any better or didn’t care because all he wanted was a big country just like America.
The USA had showed the way by exterminating the native population and Hitler thought that Germany could do just that as well. Unfortunately, his neighbors were not really Untermenschen like Native Americans and so the so-called civilized world reacted in horror at his program. Poles and Jews being nearer to them on the phylogenetic scale and all that; you know the way empathy works.
Hitler strategic mistake lay in thinking that the Brits, as brother criminals in arms, would back him in his quest to build an Anglo/Saxon Empire. But the Brits already had an empire to protect and as I said above, were not interested in allying themselves with a nation that implemented ameliorative social labor reforms that occupy a political place between their, the British brand of Oligarchic Capitalism and Soviet-Jewish Bolshevism.
This may come as a surprise to many people, but Hitler (following in Bismarck’s footsteps) was a moderate and his progressive-for-their-time social policies have since become the norm in most Western democracies.
If only France hadn’t ceded that strip of land separating Danzig from Germany to Poland, then history would have been different. Alas, but for the the petulance of Frenchman and perfidy of Albion….
The moral to be drawn is that when your host asks you to leave then maybe you’d better go.
In what way were Poles and Jews in Poland “hosted” by Germans?
Was the UK “far behind the front” when Germany invented and initiated aerial bombing Jan 1915-Aug 1918? Think Germany would have hesitated for a moment in ‘39 if they had heavy bombers (Halifax's, Lancaster's, B-24s, B-17s and ample incendiary production? Germany bet on close air support (superb JU-87s) for surprise invasions. Dorniers and Heinkels were insignificant. Blame Göring.
“The bombing of civilian centers far behind the front by heavy bombers was completely different and initiated by the British, not the Germans.”
What made German and Soviet invasions of Poland ‘39 “legal”?
You are here confusing jus in bello, which was at issue, and jus ad bello, which was not. Likewise the accurate comparison of the bombardment of Warsaw is not to the bombing of Dresden, but to something more like the Soviet bombardment of Berlin in 1945.
To steer the conversation back to the subject of the article: why did no Power bombard Afghanistan?
All sides inflated claims in propaganda. Including Germany. Big surprise.
Not sure civilian victims in “front-line, hardened [Nazi] targets” felt any better burned or blown death than those in tragic Dresden ‘45. Including the 150,000-200,000 Polish civilians killed in Warsaw Aug-Oct ‘44. Whoops, forgot. That was “legal” since it was a “military objective.”
What made German and Soviet invasions of Poland ‘39 “legal”? Law of the jungle? Justice met by winning? Doesn’t the same justify Dresden Mar ‘45? Collapse of civilian confidence and régime support make it “ancillary to the main military objectives”? Just a thought.
I mourn all the victims. Don’t think any war is legal. Always surprised when someone parses history to legitimize the defeated (especially if they started the conflict). Or victor, for that matter.
“The bombing of civilian centers far behind the front by heavy bombers was completely different and initiated by the British, not the Germans.”
Was the UK “far behind the front” when Germany invented and initiated aerial bombing Jan 1915-Aug 1918? Think Germany would have hesitated for a moment in ‘39 if they had heavy bombers (Halifax’s, Lancaster’s, B-24s, B-17s and ample incendiary production? Germany bet on close air support (superb JU-87s) for surprise invasions. Dorniers and Heinkels were insignificant. Blame Göring.
Even when they had a good thing (ME-262), Hitler hog-tied production as a light fighter-bomber.
Thank God.
You are here confusing jus in bello, which was at issue, and jus ad bello, which was not. Likewise the accurate comparison of the bombardment of Warsaw is not to the bombing of Dresden, but to something more like the Soviet bombardment of Berlin in 1945.To steer the conversation back to the subject of the article: why did no Power bombard Afghanistan?
What made German and Soviet invasions of Poland ‘39 “legal”?
Don’t think so.
“We’re just trying to get the facts straight.”
You equate Germany’s treatment of the Belgium Army with the Allies’ deliberate starvation, rape and massacre of innocent German civilians during and after the War. Are you arguing that the German Army deliberately massacred Belgium citizens? Prove that.
We Europeans fight under what we call the Rules of War, not always perfectly, but the rules are there. I suspect that you are not European and so don’t fully grasp this. I am of European extraction and I hold my countrymen to the standards that history has passed on to us. Union and Confederate Armies did not practice random genocide in the countryside as they passed through, though they did help themselves to pigs, corn, and chickens because Armies march on their stomachs. Some Armies have tried to recompense the civilians whose farms were raided and their commanders prohibited pillaging.
Maybe of more concern to you; the execution of many Jews in Poland by the SS took place behind the battle lines and was in response to Jewish resistance attacks on German supply lines which killed German soldiers. Fine. War is Hell. But if a civilian takes up arms, they cannot then claim to be innocent and undeserving of retribution.
This is why thinkers such as Sartre wrote short stories about the resistance and used it as the fulcrum of their analysis of the modern world. If you decide to resist then you are a combatant. If comrades of the soldiers you murdered come to your village and demand that the perpetrators give themselves up and if the village shields them then the foreign Army will have the citizens draw lots and punish villagers by random chance. Innocents will die, but as Camus observed, in guerrilla war, there are no innocents. Vietnam drove that point home. All armies (and good, loyal citizens of occupied countries) have wrestled with the same moral dilemma.
By many accounts, the Germans waged a more civilized war than the Allies. At the start of the war, their submarines allowed Allied sailers time to abandon ship before sinking their mother vessel and so on. When Britain began bombing civilians, those policies were abandoned.
You’re absolutely correct that Germans mistreated Poles and Jews and that’s because they had convinced themselves that those two groups lay outside the classification of people who were protected by the umbrella of civilized treatment. In short, they were outsiders. The Germans felt that neither Semites nor Slavs belonged in Northern Europe. Let the Slavs have southeastern Europe and the Jews have the Mediterranean. Part of this can be blamed on the Depression which wiped out the savings of the German Middle Class. People were desperate and therefore intolerant. In tough times the outsider is driven out. That’s life. The moral to be drawn is that when your host asks you to leave then maybe you’d better go. I predict that Islamic people in Europe will be taught the same lesson within fifty years.
In what way were Poles and Jews in Poland "hosted" by Germans?
The moral to be drawn is that when your host asks you to leave then maybe you’d better go.
Jung thought that there was a personal Consciousness and a Collective Consciousness; a personal Unconscious and a Collective Unconscious. The Individual is connected to the group in the same way as a mushroom is to mycelium. The Individual is the fruiting body of the deeper organism.
As an individual consciousness develops in the world, it is thrown off its trajectory by various obstacles, some foreign, some internal. Through a homeostatic mechanism, the greater Wisdom embedded in the individual’s Collective Consciousness and Unconscious would try to restore equilibrium by calling the individual back to his Center.
The Self (the larger Whole that includes all parts of the individual) does this by sending messengers to the Ego ( ordinary consciousness). Because the Self comes from somewhere prior to and of a deeper fundamental nature than the Ego, the Self cannot communicate to the Ego using mere words. It must use symbols, the type of cryptic messages we receive in dreams.
Because all humans go through similar life stages, the messages are delivered to the Ego by characters as in the cast of a drama. So, to give some examples, there is a Trickster, A Wise Elder, a Totem Animal, The Shadow, The Anima, (our female counterpart if you’re a male and vice versa if you’re a female), a Twin and so on. He found that these characters cropped up repeatedly in his patient’s dreams. He called them Archetypes.
This biological and psychic urge towards wholeness lies behind our affinity for Mandalas like the Rose Window of the Chartes Cathedral, the Swastika, and other Wheel of Life symbols.
Hey ThreeCranes,
I recently spoke to a Muslim teacher who had gone vegetarian for the last few months – some of this was due to health reasons and some due to not wanting to eat meat produced by anything other than absolutely impeccable humane and organic standards (also halal hand slaughtered) – a combo which is very difficult to find. I asked him how it had affected his spiritual state – he said he could clearly feel the difference. He mentioned one incident where he passed by some trees that had had their branches cut and he said he could feel their pain.
Really profound stuff.
We should definitely not be consuming so much meat that we have to set up these crazy oppressive agri-business monoliths to supply it.
Peace.
We are all literally “afraid of our own shadows”. And rightfully so. Our shadows are the part of ourselves we lock in the closet.
When you take a walk in the wild you notice that you are surrounded by silence. All the animals have gone quiet because they know your shadow. Through long experience with humans, animals are instinctively aware of our murderous, meat-eating propensity.
And as every naturalist, hunter or landscape painter knows, if you can just sit quietly for any length of time the animals will resume their normal lives and you will be rewarded with membership in a novel community.
We don’t think of our behavior as casting a shadow because we’re too busy laying plans and licking our chops. But a good hunter, one who kills his own game, is aware of his shadow. A person who has never killed an animal and then eaten it is, in a sense, a baby. Sort of like that big overgrown monster with the baby face in the Mad Max movie. By killing an animal and eating it you come face to face with your own shadow. Defending your children from harm will do the same.
Growth, from there, is largely unconscious.
One night you step through a door into the Void. If the shadow frightens us, the Void outright terrifies us.
But it is the Void between the Sun and the Earth that allows light to reach us.
The messenger comes from the Void.
well said, and thank you for insights from Jung and Tao Te Ching; I know very little about those teachings.
I do recall a lecture by Joseph Campbell in which he explained the difference between Amerindian prayers of thanks to the buffalo before it was killed to provide sustenance and shelter/clothing for humans, and other traditions who felt it was their right to kill animals.
Hey Art,
I have seen the patty-cake sing-along 1930’s speeches poor old Hitler gave. He is just so misunderstood.
Attacking all those nations was purely defensive.
while I agree with you vis-a-vis Hitler’s racial arrogance, with his talk of Aryans and ‘lebensraum’, it’s also important I think to look at Hitler’s (and Nazi Germany’s) antics with a sense of history, and the enormities that were visited upon Germany by the monstrous treachery and betrayal after Germany laid down their arms at the end of WWI. Seduced by Wilson’s (now infamous) ‘Fourteen Points’, Germany behaved nobly and trusted the allies to act in kind, only to be stabbed in the back, so to speak, and starved into slavery and destitution.
When you look at how Germany behaved once it had regained it’s dignity under Hitler, from the perspective of history, their actions make more sense, even if ultimately tragic. But then it seems like Hitler and the Nazis never really grasped the netherworld malice that the world holds for those whom they envy, as today Germany and Germans discover they will ultimately be doomed to slow genocide by the forces of global envy and hatred.
But my main point (I know, I know, get on with it already!)… is that IMHO, neither the exaggerations of the Holocaust or the treachery of the world wars are what should occupy our efforts are getting to the truth, but rather 9/11 is the ticket to freeing the planet from the devil’s death grip.
The people who did that are still alive and entrenched in power. They will NEVER relinquish that power willingly, and only by a universal acceptance that Israel (and blood-stained, treasonous elements in our own governments) were guilty of that unspeakable evil, will mankind ever be able to wrest free of the chains of tyranny that these demons have us all under their thrall to.
Americans are tossing their children into Moloch’s sacrificial fires, because they’re lied to.
if we could but reach them and show them that they’re handing over their children to a murderous and treasonous, demonic ZUS government, perhaps the dominoes will one day fall and the hundredth monkey will open his eyes.
WWII and the Holocaust are ancient news for millennials, who couldn’t care less. But with 9/11, all the proof of their lies are as glaring as a YouTube video. Something tells me even now, that Larry Silverstein has (and needs) more security details than Donald Trump. And that’s a start!
Hear hear - you have got that right - 9/11 has pushed the US totally into the 15,000,000 strong Jew Matrix camp.
But my main point (I know, I know, get on with it already!)… is that IMHO, neither the exaggerations of the Holocaust or the treachery of the world wars are what should occupy our efforts are getting to the truth, but rather 9/11 is the ticket to freeing the planet from the devil’s death grip.
Luxembourg, Belgium and France were German “property” in 1914? “Strike back” meaning the first strike - launching aggressive war?
“If a man steals your property and tries to starve you are you justified in striking back?"
Wilhelmine Germany invented aerial bombing of civilians Jan 1915. 51 bombing raids, more than 5,000 bombs dropped on the UK by Aug 1918. Guernica ‘37, Warsaw ‘39, Rotterdam ‘40. Antecedents?
“...the behavior of Germany had antecedents. Hitler did not make the decision to bomb London until England had bombed German civilians.”
Guernica ‘37, Warsaw ‘39, Rotterdam ‘40? Nazis used incendiaries. Were Dolf's fires humane? As many Polish civilians were slaughtered in Warsaw ‘39 as Germans in Dresden ‘45. Any tears for them?
“The decision to use incendiary bombs was made with an eye towards killing as many civilians as possible.”
The US and UK invaded countries and launched wars? Slip into the Teutonic Twilight Zone again?
“The truth is that the British and Americans couldn’t allow a nation like Germany to succeed with such social-ill-ameliorating programs in place. It would have set a bad precedent and given their workers an example to emulate. For demonstrating an alternative to the cruelly-indifferent capitalism of Britain and America, Germany had to be crushed.”
Plus the "compassionate" benefit of serving as cannon fodder invading neighbors and the "employment security" of eternal rest in a foreign cemetery.
“At least national socialism (note, small n and s) granted its people some measure of employment security...a far more compassionate attitude towards their people than the English or American elite had and has for theirs.”
Guernica was exaggerated by communist propaganda. Warsaw and Rotterdam were front-line, hardened targets ancillary to the main military objectives and their bombing was legal. The bombing of civilian centers far behind the front by heavy bombers was completely different and initiated by the British, not the Germans.
Was the UK “far behind the front” when Germany invented and initiated aerial bombing Jan 1915-Aug 1918? Think Germany would have hesitated for a moment in ‘39 if they had heavy bombers (Halifax's, Lancaster's, B-24s, B-17s and ample incendiary production? Germany bet on close air support (superb JU-87s) for surprise invasions. Dorniers and Heinkels were insignificant. Blame Göring.
“The bombing of civilian centers far behind the front by heavy bombers was completely different and initiated by the British, not the Germans.”
Don’t think so.
“We’re just trying to get the facts straight.”
Where on earth did you get the impression that Germany started WW1?
And Germany’s “invasion” of its neighbors in WW2 was acknowledged even by the British as its legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen from it by the Treaty of Versailles.
Go back and read some of the posts by others above. They will help educate you about the role of various players in the drama.
I am not an apologist for Hitler yet I won’t fall into the cognitively and emotionally simple ploy of blaming him and him alone for the tragedies of the 20th century.
I spoke of owning one’s dark side and this seems to be particularly relevant to you. As Carl Jung said, “The brighter the light you bathe yourself in, the darker the shadow you cast.”
You seem to be relatively unsophisticated and have little capacity for self-reflection so let me help you understand what he is saying.
When we assume the mantle of unblemished, righteous Virtue we immediately, in a Hegelian fashion, implicitly put others in a bad light–even though we are not aware of doing so. The Tao Te Ching teaches us the same lesson. It is a mechanism, a principle of the Universe. That’s why there is a light and dark side to the yin/yang symbol.
For Jung, the Shadow we cast was the unexamined dark side of our nature. Because it is at odds with the good we see in ourselves, we don’t want to acknowledge it, look into it and least of all, own it.
But you cannot advance as a human being–or as a nation–if you don’t have the courage to look at the negative you create just by living. And this applies to Germany, Nazis, Americans, neutral Swiss and Swedes.
Every living being lives by killing and eating. Don’t pretend you’re not a murderer just because some proxy kills and slaughters your beef for you or that your not a polluter because someone else pumps your oil for you. You’re a murderer, a meat eater, a consumer and you cast a shadow.
During the war the American and British Armies and peoples committed atrocities as well. Only a child or a fool would deny that. It’s not condoning his behavior to see your enemy with some compassion, to realize that he suffered some injustice at your hands.
The chronology of German ultimatums, spurned diplomatic alternatives, and launched invasions. Facts.
“Where on earth did you get the impression that Germany started WW1?”
Please quote the British acknowledgement. You refer to the Treaty of Versailles, signed by Germany. You state Germany had a “legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen” by the very treaty to which they agreed. Please post evidence of that right.
“And Germany’s “invasion” of its neighbors in WW2 was acknowledged even by the British as its legitimate right to reclaim territory that had been stolen from it by the Treaty of Versailles.”
And so on. You must really be fun at parties!
"I spoke of owning one’s dark side and this seems to be particularly relevant to you. As Carl Jung said, “The brighter the light you bathe yourself in, the darker the shadow you cast.”
“You seem to be relatively unsophisticated and have little capacity for self-reflection so let me help you understand what he is saying.”
“When we assume the mantle of unblemished, righteous Virtue we immediately, in a Hegelian fashion, implicitly put others in a bad light–even though we are not aware of doing so. The Tao Te Ching teaches us the same lesson. It is a mechanism, a principle of the Universe. That’s why there is a light and dark side to the yin/yang symbol.”
“For Jung, the Shadow we cast was the unexamined dark side of our nature. Because it is at odds with the good we see in ourselves, we don’t want to acknowledge it, look into it and least of all, own it.”
You’ve obviously been too busy with Jungian therapy. Reprisal executuions are established facts in WW1 history. 23,700 Belgian civilians were thus dispatched. An additional 62,000 died from exposure and famine (unsurprising after the Germans burned civilian dwellings and made thousands homeless).“
“Are you arguing that the German Army deliberately massacred Belgium citizens? Prove that.”
I’ve nowhere mentioned ‘Jews in Poland’, ‘the SS’, ‘Jewish resistance’ on this thread . Why introduce those subjects TC? Troll? Your #327 continues with allusions to Sartre, fulcrums and:
Maybe of more concern to you; the execution of many Jews in Poland by the SS took place behind the battle lines and was in response to Jewish resistance attacks on German supply lines which killed German soldiers. Fine. War is Hell. But if a civilian takes up arms, they cannot then claim to be innocent and undeserving of retribution.”
Where did I posit “Germans mistreated Poles and Jews” on this thread?
“...Germans waged a more civilized war than the Allies...as Camus observed, in guerrilla war, there are no innocents...You’re absolutely correct that Germans mistreated Poles and Jews and that’s because they had convinced themselves that those two groups lay outside the classification of people who were protected by the umbrella of civilized treatment. In short, they were outsiders.”
The type cannot get beyond Allied propaganda. I've argued the point numerous times without effect. Apparently at least some of them have now heard about H.E. Barnes, so maybe that's a start.
Where on earth did you get the impression that Germany started WW1?
Ah, TC! Master of hollow banter, ad hominems and bogus projection. You’re really clever, aren’t you?
Still unable to explain why (1914 & 1939) Germany invaded other countries in ‘14 and ‘39? Simple question. Can’t answer? Without the silly ‘Entente forced them’, ‘Germany was hedged in’, ‘everybody hated Germany’, ‘Germans suffered greatly’, ‘Germany was a big stallion’ bit?
“We’re just trying to get the facts straight.”
Don’t think so.
“If a man steals your property and tries to starve you are you justified in striking back?”
Luxembourg, Belgium and France were German “property” in 1914? “Strike back” meaning the first strike – launching aggressive war?
“…the behavior of Germany had antecedents. Hitler did not make the decision to bomb London until England had bombed German civilians.”
Wilhelmine Germany invented aerial bombing of civilians Jan 1915. 51 bombing raids, more than 5,000 bombs dropped on the UK by Aug 1918. Guernica ‘37, Warsaw ‘39, Rotterdam ‘40. Antecedents?
“The decision to use incendiary bombs was made with an eye towards killing as many civilians as possible.”
Guernica ‘37, Warsaw ‘39, Rotterdam ‘40? Nazis used incendiaries. Were Dolf’s fires humane? As many Polish civilians were slaughtered in Warsaw ‘39 as Germans in Dresden ‘45. Any tears for them?
“The truth is that the British and Americans couldn’t allow a nation like Germany to succeed with such social-ill-ameliorating programs in place. It would have set a bad precedent and given their workers an example to emulate. For demonstrating an alternative to the cruelly-indifferent capitalism of Britain and America, Germany had to be crushed.”
The US and UK invaded countries and launched wars? Slip into the Teutonic Twilight Zone again?
“At least national socialism (note, small n and s) granted its people some measure of employment security…a far more compassionate attitude towards their people than the English or American elite had and has for theirs.”
Plus the “compassionate” benefit of serving as cannon fodder invading neighbors and the “employment security” of eternal rest in a foreign cemetery.
Don’t forget the great uniforms! One for everyone. Postal Worker, Tax Inspector, Street Sweeper, Ditch Digger, Lavatory Attendant, etc. Nothing better than feeling part of the group! Oh, for the days of the Pickelhaube, Stechschritt and Hitlergruß! Sauerkraut and Schnitzel for all!
Col. Pat Lang posted this thought-starter the other day:
Pretty funny.
Art,
I feel sorry for you… you just don’t have a bloody clue as to what you are talking about…
Clearly u wish to remain ignorant of the facts as it probably makes you feel good…
Ignorance is a bliss, as they say, eh?
That’s okay, like I said, I tried.
The main falsehood is that WW2 was the ‘good war’, pitting the ‘good guys’ vs pure evil, i.e. the axis, which, of course, is the party that lost.
I have seen the patty-cake sing-along 1930’s speeches poor old Hitler gave. He is just so misunderstood.
Attacking all those nations was purely defensive.
(Gee that sounds like Matrix speak.)
Peace — Art
p.s. (Sarcasm-off)
while I agree with you vis-a-vis Hitler's racial arrogance, with his talk of Aryans and 'lebensraum', it's also important I think to look at Hitler's (and Nazi Germany's) antics with a sense of history, and the enormities that were visited upon Germany by the monstrous treachery and betrayal after Germany laid down their arms at the end of WWI. Seduced by Wilson's (now infamous) 'Fourteen Points', Germany behaved nobly and trusted the allies to act in kind, only to be stabbed in the back, so to speak, and starved into slavery and destitution.
I have seen the patty-cake sing-along 1930’s speeches poor old Hitler gave. He is just so misunderstood.
Attacking all those nations was purely defensive.
Wow, the only sane voice in this repulsive torrent of jew-hating lies.
Art: “The main falsehood, the most important one, the one that is materially relevant to today’s events – is the Jew Matrix “six million lie.””
Not really, Art.
The main falsehood is that WW2 was the ‘good war’, pitting the ‘good guys’ vs pure evil, i.e. the axis, which, of course, is the party that lost. The ‘bad guys’ were responsible for starting the war, so we are told, and all the other evil deeds, including the holohoax, stems from that initial ‘evil’.
Classic comic level BS narrative.
Ain’t it interesting how the defeated are always the bad guys?!
Cheers