Why is this filed under Cockburn’s articles when it seems to be from Paul Craig Roberts?

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Patrick Cockburn wrote this? No way Jose.

It makes sense, PCR, until you realize that Putin himself is one of the Oligarchs … the proof? his son in law “Kirill Shumalov”, the “Jared Kushner” of the Kremlin!

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What is the purpose of anti-ABM installations around Russia and China? What is the purpose of claims of inflated abilities of these systems? Certainly not to prepare the first strike. It is to make Russia and China think that they will not win the first strike.

It’s exactly the opposite. Modern ABM systems are useless against the first strike with 1500 nuclear ICBMs among god knows how many decoys. They are useful, however, against a much weaker retaliation strike, provided that most of the enemy’s ICBMs have been destroyed (by your first strike) inside their silos. You will probably lose a few cities, but win Total World Domination. And that’s the game.

As though perhaps in the final tally we will have hit fifty two of “their” cities…and they will only have hit 20 of “ours”….like Seattle , Houston, Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, Albany , Denver, Boston, Charlotte, San Francisco,Richmond, Trenton, Juneau,Wilmington, Raleigh, Concord,Providence,Detroit, Hartford and Columbia….

Is this “victory “in your mind , Utu ?

Can you really be suggesting this ?

Are you suggesting there MIGHT be a clear winner in a nuclear confrontation between Russia and US , Utu ?

Are you actually suggesting this possibility ?

That somehow ONLY Russia will lose…and not the USA ?

Please.

It is my understanding that our THAAD deployments are not particularly numerous in comparison to the existing ICBM arsenal. It is also my understanding that THAAD is not particularly accurate.

If the author is so thin skinned that he cannot handle disagreement, then perhaps he lacks the self awareness to label dissenters as narcissists. To put it more plainly, the inability to take criticism is one of the diagnostic criteria of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. To believe that ones comments are so interesting that they invite active espionage on the part of Mossad and NATO is indicative of grandiose thinking, another diagnostic criteria of NPD.

What is the purpose of anti-ABM installations around Russia and China? What is the purpose of claims of inflated abilities of these systems? Certainly not to prepare the first strike. It is to make Russia and China think that they will not win the first strike. The objective is to create the split in the leadership of Russia and China in hope that more conciliatory factions willing to cry uncle will take over. It is really a psychological game. Mr. Roberts should know something about the effectiveness of psychological games as his overreactions to real and imagined trolling indicates.

I am willing to bet some money that Putin will be out of power by the end of summer this year. He will be pushed out by those Russia’s deep state who do not want to escalate confrontation with the US, confrontation that they can’t win. The fact that China is not willing to go along with Putin will be a part of it.

PCR’s critics are shit in my opinion. But if they can be banned so can I as I have been from many sites. Keep it open Mr. Unz.

PCR has totally jumped the shark with his “eat lead from my 45″ comment. It sounds like a physical threat to me for the dastardly deed of disagreeing. When a person habitually spouts paranoid opinions… & yes Paul they’re opinions… on the internet for the whole world to see they should be prepared to take some flak. Grow a pair Paul, or just slink away & die. Maybe your meds need adjusting.

Folks who have seriously looked at the subject cannot help but agree with you. People should recall that back in the 1950s, Henry Kissinger wrote a study of the idea of limited nuclear war. As head of Nixon’s NSC, Kissinger gave us SALT I, the first and in many respects most successful nuclear arms agreement. SALT I banned ballistic missile defense. It was understood by everyone, that ballistic missile defense is not a “defensive” system, but is part of a first strike weapons package. Ballistic missile defense can never be made good enough to defend against someone else’s first strike. Ballistic missile defense can, however, be expected to defend after YOU have launched your own first strike and taken out most of the other side’s nuclear forces.

Of course the Russians have not been standing still with all of this. Their S400 system has capabilities against both US stealth aircraft and ballistic missiles. The Russians make incremental changes to their systems and the Russian S500 system will have full blown ballistic missile defense capabilities. The Russians are also deploying their Topol M ICBM systems, and soon a successor, which is mobile and has multiple maneuverable warheads and penetration aids designed to defeat US ballistic missile defense systems. Most likely, as it seems is always the case, the US neocons will trust too much in US technology and will be unpleasantly surprised by the Russian response to any US nuclear first strike.

The wildcard of course is that a nuclear war need not be fought entirely with nuclear weapons. US conventional cruise missiles can be launched to target Russian radars. Likewise, however, the Russian Kalibr cruise missiles can directly take on US ballistic missile defense by threatening both US sea based defensive systems and land based THAAD systems.

It is easy to picture a scenario where in a crisis Russia strikes first using its conventional cruise missiles to target US ballistic missile defense sites. US sea based systems cannot engage in ballistic missile defense if they have to expend all of their missiles defending themselves from conventional attack. Similarly, a THAAD system is of limited use if Russians successfully destroy the missiles on the ground, or if they destroy the radars.

The US was surprised when the Russians used their Kalibr missiles with great success in Syria. That success created another layer of complexity in the US planning for nuclear war.

Would it hurt to give Dr. Roberts some respect?

He’s one of the unique voices of truth in an age of thorough deception.

His point is a reminder that our comments matter, despite their seeming abstraction.
I personally appreciate that reminder and hope to be able to live up to that challenge.

I have to wonder if the South Korean regime change of a few months back wasn’t a CIA color revolution designed to put a puppet into government in SK that would be willing to host these missiles.
It had all the hallmarks:
-Fancy stage with a visual/audio propaganda machine
-Highly coordinated crowd (lighters, etc…)
-Trumped up charges
-Demonization of the ‘Church of Eternal Life’, which is basically just another wacky protestant op,not a cult. If one looks at the google search results for this church (as opposed to, say bing) it is clear that they are on google’s CIA list of organizations to demonize by leading search results to propaganda sites…
-Use of the media to constantly demonize a single individual (Choi Soon) whose father was adviser to Ms Park (sounds like a pretty legit advisor to me)
-Ms Park had expressed a desire to work with both China and the US

In Tolkien’s Silmarillion he describes the lineage of Sauron as essentially a fallen angel, aka a demon.
There is no doubt that Washington is run by a host of people who are possessed by demons.

As far as using real names, the reason I don’t spell a full name out is not the desire to be unknown, but to avoid a search engine like google from collating everything I do online into a search result. Its one thing to be known in a certain circle of the internet, another for any bloke to pull everything together without context or participation in the actual discussions.

Anonymousness is sometimes needed for people to engage in a little bit of democracy just as we need the secret ballot. People have jobs and income to lose. It’s unfortunate but that’s the way things are. The internet is a form of samizdat for many. The trolls are all over. Some are clever and wiggle their way into website discussions by pretending to be sympathetic but then try to stir up factionalism and divisiveness. Others just try to discourage people by being insulting and thus wear people down. Then of course there’s those who are downright stupid or unmedicated. It’s hard to tell which is which. I just skip over a lot of commenters once I pick up on them being insincere game-players. Part of the cost of openness, anyone can just walk in. One side-effect is that it enhances one’s built-in bs detector which can be put to greater use in evaluating the latest government pronouncements.
Letting them get you discouraged is letting them win.

Calling people whose opinions you disagree with trolls is how different from being a troll? How much were you paid to say that? (This being irony. Of course nobody paid you to be annoying. It’s just who you are.)

I share Erebus’ view that it ought to be a relatively trivial task for a determined adversary to hit so much US infrastructure that just coping with the fallout would be a distraction that lasted for years. I often go to sleep thinking about how to do it.

Dear Dr Roberts, all these individuals attacking you here are an assortment of online fools and (paid) trolls. I have reduced my commenting on this site because they have almost taken over and it is becoming harder and harder to avoid their stupid and uneducated commenting and engage in proper debate about issues raised by articles. Unfortunately, this is the usual fate of all unmoderated/lowly moderated commenting sections.

You are not the only author who is getting annoyed by trolls and fools, Mr Philip Giraldi is another magnet for this human refuse, also because of his unorthodox approach to topics. The goal of fools and trolls is to dilute the real debate by posting their meaningless comments and personal insults to authors.

As I wrote before, there are many, many people who sincerely appreciate your insightful articles. I believe that I have not missed even one over the last ten years of so.

There is little we can do against the activities of fools and trolls except keep ignoring them (skipping garbage) and avoiding getting drawn into their mean feats.

PS I would not mind having an email check, although this is not a perfect way of removing trolls. They are simply a regime supported abuse of internet freedoms, unavoidable like spam.

Mr. Roberts
While your taking offence at commenters slandering you is perhaps understandable, it does not profit anyone to silence them, or to silence oneself on their account. Anonymous comment allows the same freedom of expression as the anonymous vote. This site allows one anonymous identity per pseudonymic name, and does not permit slander. What’s the problem?

Historically, the nom de plume genre did allow many slanderous publications, but it also allowed dissemination of just as many works of genuine criticism, and even of art that would have otherwise remained unheard. Today, one need think no further than of the anonymous Wikileaks whistleblowers whose information is vital to exposing the nefarious doings of our elites. Would you have them expose themselves before taking them seriously? Would you silence them? I know, it’s not the same thing, but it is on that same slippery slope we find ourselves when we demand a “commentator’s real name and real email address”.

As for the apocalyptic fantasies of the Washington elite, Putin and Xi have options besides unleashing a nuclear pre-emptive or retaliatory strike. The most devastating option would be as few as 35-50 RPGs well aimed at critical nodes in the American electrical grid. That would take the grid down more or less permanently, and would have almost the same socio-political effect as a nuclear attack, without anywhere near the radiation. It would be trivial to hide/disguise so few operatives. If I were in Putin’s or Xi’s shoes, I’d surely have had them there for a while now.
As a coup de gras, the PBoC could announce a dump of USTs at the same time…

Anyway, Mr Roberts letting the bastards grind you down is how they win.

Is PCR a real person or is he a fake made up by himself in order to write things that others comment on to piss him off. Maybe he is a Branch Davidian, I don’t know. But who ever he is, I totally enjoy his writing and crankiness. His words are not bullshit. But then if he isn’t allowing websites to comment on his writing, then why am I doing so now? The world has gone mad.

PCR: I respect your commentary and look forward to reading every one of your columns.

I feel that you are the butt of so much vitriol because you stand almost alone against the great trash dump of “acceptable opinion”, marching to your “different drummer”, which is your view of the deplorable world situation.

I hope you will not find it out of place for me to share with you and your few intelligent readers a poem by the politically-incorrect Robinson Jeffers, who opposed both WWI and WWII, which heresies (the latter in particular) placed him “beyond the pale” of “respectable” American letters. I hope that it will remind you that, though you may feel isolated, you are not alone. There are still both Jeffersonians and sons of Jeffers in America; there is still an audience among the public for your insights, what Milton called “fit audience, though few”.

The mad girl with the staring eyes and long white fingers
Hooked in the stones of the wall,
The storm-wrack hair and screeching mouth: does it matter, Cassandra,
Whether the people believe
Your bitter fountain? Truly men hate the truth; they’d liefer
Meet a tiger on the road.
Therefore the poets honey their truth with lying; but religion-
Vendors and political men
Pour from the barrel, new lies on the old, and are praised for kind
Wisdom. Poor bitch be wise.
No: you’ll still mumble in a corner a crust of truth, to men
And gods disgusting — you and I, Cassandra.

Please keep mumbling in your corner your “crust of truth”. In these times, not only is it is okay to be bitter, it is practically necessary.

” . . . Perhaps they think they can frighten the Russians and Chinese into surrender. Sounds awfully risky to me.”

Well, Washington, District of Corruption is filled with problem children, warmongers, Israel-Firsters, and other forms of vermin. Anything’s possible. . . .

Jus’ Sayin’, I’m jus’ sayin’ that Roberts is calling you out!

Roberts:

” . . . Most comments come from people too ashamed to speak in their real names and who are unwilling to provide their real email addresses. Almost all comments come from narcistic ignorant fools hiding behind fake names and fake email addresses and from paid trolls.”

I’m also contemptuous of anonymous comments. It’s moral cowardice. If you make a public comment, give your name with it.

Nice knowing you, PCR.

Seriously, though. Even though (pseudo/a)nonymous commenting often devolves into a trollfest, there is a massive value to freedom to being able to say what you want without fear. Granted, the government can track IP addresses, but if you’re doing something really revolutionary, not just shitposting, you can get around that.

Mostly though, I’m just disappointed that PCR, for all his talk, can’t handle the amount of sacrifices that are needed to even maintain one little corner of freedom. When the shills attack, he’s gone into full Tumblrina mode. By next week, he’ll announce that he’s discovered he’s a feminist/otherkin/misgendered/whatever. A sad end to one of the internet’s most sage commentators.

I don’t get why North Koreans can’t conquer other Asians though their culture like South Koreans do, haven’t Google Trends told us that Descendants Of The Sun was a popular S.Korean series in many parts of the world, and don’t forget the singer Psy, South Korea also have tech such as Samsung.

Whoa. No need to stress over things we can’t change. This too shall pass…

Honestly, I don’t see what @Jus’ Sayin’… wrote that requires him to hide. His opinion is your article displays arrogance and he won’t miss your writing on Unz (as Unz obviously permits anonymous posting, in fact, it doesn’t even have accounts or check email addresses), which is a fairly mild critique. Surely no reason to “slap the hell out of someone” (particularly since you write far more aggressive critiques of others, not that I think they are undeserved in many cases).

Turning to the merits, I agree that THAAD is meant to threaten Russia, not N. Korea … but also not China. China appears very much to be part of the Empire, as is virtually every country ever colonized by the House of Windsor (including, of course, the Commonwealth, US and China, but excluding Russia). China is given a very special status by the Empire: the rest of the Empire runs a huge trade deficit with China and sends it the Empire’s most advanced technology, including military technology. Do the “true” enemies of the Empire – Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, Russia (under Putin), N. Korea, etc. – get this sort of special treatment? Heck no, they get layers and layers of punitive sanctions. Only an idiot would so enrich an enemy they wish to destroy! and the Empire did not come to control the vast majority of the planet by being so very idiotic.

What I find disturbing in all this is that the U.S. has to know that they can’t simultaneously neutralize Russia and China’s entire nuclear arsenals and every means of delivery. But if so then this means they are ready and willing to sacrifice a portion of the American landmass and tens of millions of people to nuclear fire just to be the last man standing. Russia has “boomers” or submarines that can fire nuclear missiles from sea. I don’t think the Chinese have that capability yet but I haven’t been paying close attention.

Russia has multiple ways to deliver nuclear warheads and even if our nuclear defenses are only partially breached that means a terrible loss of life. It seems the U.S. high command has war gamed every scenario imaginable and thinks we will win with “acceptable” losses which of course doesn’t include they or their loved ones.

We’ve become as bloodthirsty and psychopathic as the Likud party of Israel. For all intents and purposes the mover and shakers within our government are either real or honorary Likudniks.

1/ ‘… I then looked at the comment sections on other sites that repost my columns, and there were the trolls hired by the CIA, Mossad, National Endowment for Democracy, George Soros, NATO, US State Department, and others denouncing me for promoting nuclear war…’

As an obvious paid troll of all these groups (plus the CFR, Bilderbergs, MI6, etc) I have never denounced PCR for promoting nuclear war.

2/’… Sites that do not have this requirement no longer have my permission to repost my columns…’

Of course any site can excerpt part of your column, link to the rest, and then have comments below. So what are you going to do? (And that’s excluding sites based in countries with sketchy copyright enforcement.)

The people in charge of American foreign policy, whoever they are (I keep asking for names, addresses and photographs) think they are preparing for a survivable preemptive attack. They should be in restraints. In hell.

There should be no comment sections unless there is a firm check on the commentator’s real name and real email address. Sites that do not have this requirement no longer have my permission to repost my columns.

Paul C. R.; I’m in accord with all of it. The government I have in my old age (60 next week) isn’t the same government, nor is this the same country, that I defended on carrier decks from Boston to Tel Aviv out to the Indian Ocean aboard Nimitz circa 1975-1981. For this government and country and these obese American feminist women, I wouldn’t spend 5 and a half years aboard a carrier deck defending.That’s assuming what I did then for a far better country and for thinner women was defense. So the current leadership stinks. And what’s to be done about it down here at the grass roots? As for YOUR comment, I post under my real name and UNZ has my email. But there’s been no firm check. And so, how do you know my name isn’t Lew the Jew, Manny the Muslim, Horatio Hispanic or some other iteration of the population’s designators?

Otherwise, with your remarks, I concur, Doctor.

… although Europe would certainly be completely destroyed as THAAD or anti-ABMs are useless against Russian nuclear cruise missiles and the Russian air force.

Those same nuclear subs can hit the US, too. And we don’t currently have anything in the US to shoot them down with. Star Wars was canned 30 years ago.

Sites that do not have this requirement no longer have my permission to repost my columns.

That’s a real pity. I’ve enjoyed reading your columns through the years. But I’m afraid your price is too high: anonymity is one of the best things about the web. While it’s certainly true that some malign (or mercenary) souls use it only to attack others, some people do use it to be more candid with each other. This digital samizdat of ours is rapidly undermining much of the public’s confidence in the government and the media. The problem, of course, is that the government and the media know this. So they’re going to make a major push to get total control over the internet–and the first thing to go will be the ability to log onto it anonymously. There’ll be a retina scan or something required.

No, Dr. Roberts. We must defend anonymity–and use it while it lasts.

Count me in as one who agrees with the the notion that the US is recklessly seeking nuclear superiority for whatever reason.

Also count me in as one who thinks that just as John Podesta didn’t pay me to comment that the pizza related accusations against him seemed to be nonsense, the notion that people are paid to troll also seems to be nonsense.

PCR, I’ve emailed you with good wishes in the past, so you could theoretically check who I am. Offering physical violence to people in web forums has never been impressive or the sign of superior intelligence.

Dear Mr. Roberts,

I am curious whether our glorious leaders in DC have taken the time to estimate our national debt “threshold”.

Aren’t you ?

Is there a point when our humungous mountain of “perpetual war debt” gets SO HIGH that it will literally squash the 320 million Americans standing “insouciant” beneath it ?

There must be somebody..SOMEWHERE….in our Congress….who is willing to point out that our continued “overspending” of over 4/5ths of a trillion dollars on average, every year since 9-11, has created the most monstrous debt load ever foisted on the back of American taxpayers in history ? ? ?.

Is not the phenomenon of generating nearly 15 trillion dollars of debt in a mere 17 years, as dire a threat to our nation, as being attacked by aliens from another planet ?

Is not the solvency of our nation a matter of national security in its own right ?

Who says it isn’t ,Mr Roberts…and why ?

Yet nobody in Washington seems to want to discuss this issue…at all….like NOBODY…..Its like “poison” to mention the insatiable appetite of our “war profiteers”and how their addiction to ‘perpetual war’ is devouring our ENTIRE country’s future.

But back to the original question,… What do you believe constitutes our national debt “threshold”, Mr Roberts ?

Is it 25 trillion ?..Is it 30 trillion?…Is it 50 trillion dollars of debt ?……how much higher does our debt have to grow BEYOND our GDP, before our dollar and our treasury bonds become “radioactive” ?

In 2000, the US had a debt of 5.7 T ,a GDP of 9.5 T, and was operating at @ a 250 billion SURPLUS.

We were actually running a “surplus”, …..Saints be praised !.

Who in the world would NOT covet our dollars and our bonds, when this was the scenario ?

But, today, thanks to our brilliant ‘elites’ and their neverending wars of CHOICE, the good ole
USA is now drowning in a “mind numbing” debt that has , unthinkably,eclipsed our GDP…

How did this happen ?

What would George Washington or Samuel Adams say, bearing witness to this carnage ?

Maybe the REAL REASON we are placing our THAAD on the doorstep of China and Russia is to EXTORT them …to threaten them…That if they EVER choose to dump all their US BONDS on the open market, because we have become a global credit liability…….we will respond with a nuclear first strike ?

How pathetic is that, Mr. Roberts ?

“These countries must, NOW, continue to underwrite our “pernicious war debt” or we will “nuke” them, into the stone age ?

How tragic have we become, as a nation ,Mr. Roberts ?…What have our stupid “wars of choice” done to us ? …All they have done for US ……is create a monstrous mountain of debt..

So sad .

.We now have to THREATEN our bond holders around the world…with Nuclear annihilation if they ever choose to sell .

Is this just the nadir of our once great nation..Mr Roberts ?…The absolute “pits” !

Shameful !

And won’t it be just the saddest day for our nation, when we are forced to SELL OFF our national heritage sites ,like Yellow Stone Park..at pennies on the dollars…to the very “war profiteers” who defrauded us out of all our “treasure” by lying us into the wars which created this heinous DEBT in the first place ? .

So sad….so pitiful….and so shameful .

A very tragic era….indeed.

More hyperbole unless you are truly admitting to being a homicidal maniac.

If you were not lying about your policy regarding anonymous replies you should immediately stop publishing on the Unz Review.

It is exactly this kind of near senile posturing that ruins the good impact on a wider audience that your ideas might have.

Are the people who run the US really prepared to gamble on a guaranteed 100% success rate for anti-missile missiles? Won’t they die too if they are wrong?

Still, it’s the simplest way to explain their very odd behaviour. Perhaps they think they can frighten the Russians and Chinese into surrender. Sounds awfully risky to me.

BTW, I agree entirely with the essential point of this essay, Mr. Roberets. It’s obvious to any rational and informed person that the USA is engaged in a geopolitical strategy to surround Russia and China with a coordinated anti-ballistic-missile system. The posting of THAAD in the Korean peninsula is the latest phase of this plan. The USA’s establishment seems to be planning a strategic system that they think will give the USA a first-strike capability and the flexibility to start a nuclear war with impunity. This plan is insanely dangerous and puts the entire world at risk of a nuclear conflagration.

But the poignancy of your message is greatly diminished by the overwrought, paranoid style with which you present it.

“As the readers of my website are a self-selected group of intelligent and concerned people who want to know what is the reality as opposed to what is The Matrix…”

Flattery can get you a long way, Mr. Roberts, but only fools will be taken in if it’s plastered on with a trowel. Also, you are giving yourself a heck of a big pat on the back here; a regular thumping, in fact.

“The only other explanation is that websites that have comment sections provide the opportunity for the ruling elites to hire the slander of truth-tellers.”

I seriously doubt that the “ruling elites” pay that much attention.

“I don’t write in order to be slandered by paid trolls and ignorant narcistic fools. I regard it as highly irresponsible for websites to undercut their writers with anonymous accusations and slander from no one knows who. There should be no comment sections unless there is a firm check on the commentator’s real name and real email address.

Sites that do not have this requirement no longer have my permission to repost my columns.”

Be sure to shut the door behind you as you exit the Unz Review.

Kentucky Fried Democracy. Hilarious!

Democracy is like the KFC secret recipe – only the US has the right combination, all the rest are just pale imitations.

We were never a “democracy”, but are properly defined as a “representative republic”…

I guess it all depends on how ‘democracy’ is defined. In 1914, Britain and Germany went to war with each other. Now, were they monarchies? Or were they democracies? Both had monarchs, and yet both had parliaments. Hmmm. I suspect that, in this case, Old Mags would have tried to argue that Britain was then a ‘true’ democracy, whereas Germany was not. But without any meaningful definition of the word ‘democracy’, such no-true-scotsman debates could go on forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

“no 2 democracies have ever gone to war with one another”: come now. In 1812 the USA attacked Britain while the latter was rather busy with The Corsican.

“Trump succumbed to pressure and sacrificed his National Secuity Advisior, who was supportive of Trump’s promise to normalize relations with Russia.”

Gators got’m.

A very astute reading of the American democracy. Mr. Putin is a real genius.

The reason why so many ME countries were invaded by the US is because they are not democracies. As Margaret Thatcher so eloquently explained (she was a very eloquent woman) – no 2 democracies have ever gone to war with one another. So, clearly US are exploiting a legal loophole which allows “democratic” countries to invade non-democratic ones.

This should be a warning to all non-democratic countries to hurry up and adopt democracy, because only then they can enjoy the full benefits of belonging to the sacred brotherhood of democracies. Of course, one thing that Thatcher failed to mention was that it wasn’t the democracy that prevented wars between 2 adherents to this sacred political ideology from going to war. It was the fact that most “democracies” are under the US thumb, thus eliminating the need for US to further democratize them.

“American Democracy: A Dead Man Walking”

The way of all democracies.

The Democratic Party Voting….the nonwhite Democratic Party…is the War Party against Christian Russia…think Maxine Waters…John Lewis…

Native Born White American Working Class Americans…way more friendly to Christian Russia….

Paul Craig Roberts=an enthusiast for importing the highly racialized nonwhite legal immigrant Democtatic Party Voting Bloc…..

” the modern left is now pro-war”

Not ” Now pro war” as they were always “Pro war” and pro violence when it furthered their cause, such as in the ” wars of liberation” in Latin America, for which they collected funding for weaponry etc.

And regarding Washington under DT moving towards nuclear madness : Yeah sure he, DT, and his family are itching to commit suicide, just for the fun of it.

PCR is confused beyond redemption, although he might mean well.

Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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It’s sort of like a God for a lot of people. Nothing is ever really real until its presented on an electronic screen.

I’ve had the same experiences over and over endlessly. Majority of people just repeat what they’ve seen on mass media. They have no mind of their own. It’s not raining unless the weatherman says so.

[…] Either Roberts has jumped the shark. […]

How bout nuclear winter Ken. For it or against it?

You mean nuclear war? Against it, of course. But then, it might take a nuclear war to finally destroy America’s capability to wage war and constantly threaten everyone.

However, PCR should stick to the script and stop drawing parallels between Nazis and American (((neoconservatives))) when the latter are both the ethnic and ideological progeny of (((Trotskyite))) communists, not German national socialists.

“Threads” wasn’t so dinky. I don’t think TDA was, either.

The end of the world?

Aren’t Unz.com types supposed to ask: Cui Bono?

Thanks Harry. I hadn’t thought about the c0nnection between global warming and nuclear winter. In future I will speak of nuclear war.

Washington Plans to Nuke Russia and China

This is a bold assertion. Probably true in my opinion. Except that Washington is a city and as such does not make plans. More helpful would be names, addresses and photographs of specific people in Washington who plan to Nuke Russia and China. What do you think Harry? Is there a plan, a conspiracy, to preemptively nuke Russia and China?

It’s never a good idea to condescend to your audience.

“Doomsday fetish? A bit boring by now. Still waiting for that Ebola apocalypse you PCR predicted…”

Exactly. Mr. Roberts repeats over and over again the end of the world and it fails to materialize.

Trump and his friends are all climate change deniers. Recall Nuclear Winter relied on the same or similar global circulation models that the climate change folks use. All that is different are the inputs (smoke and soot) and the time frame (short). If you deny climate change you tend to deny nuclear winter — and that is despite the fact that evidence from volcanic eruptions corroborates nuclear winter. Oh well.

The Russians just don’t put that many submarines to sea anymore. The old cold war plan was for the US attack submarines to sink the Russian subs that carried SLCMs and SLBMs. I would imagine that is still the plan today and the task has grown much simpler.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

‘Course, by that time it’ll be too late.

And there are no protests. The idiot British, the idiot Germans, the idiot French, Italians, Canadians, Australians, Belgians, Greeks, Portuguese, Spanish, Japanese, rally behind the insanity that is Washington.

And so apparently do the American people, a population stupid beyond all belief.

just start at the middle of the video and watch til the end

I’ll never forget a girl I knew who’d hear me talking about 9/11 and how they lied about it and Bush was a scumbag and such, and she’d just take it all with a grain of salt of course, but then Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 happened to be playing on the boobtube and it was pointing out Bush’s lies, and it was rather amazing how she was enthralled and shocked, and was saying ‘wow, you were right’

but for me the amazing thing was that for this girl, nothing was real or had merit unless or until it was on television. That for her was the criteria for anything to be considered true. It was on TV.

It’s sort of like a God for a lot of people. Nothing is ever really real until its presented on an electronic screen.

when you control what’s on that screen, you control the sheep

… the theory behind this insane scheme is that after America’s preemptive strike Russia will be so devastated that Russia would not retaliate with any remaining forces out of fear that Washington would launch a second major strike.

The theory seems to originate with this article in Foreign Affairs: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2006-03-01/rise-us-nuclear-primacy

The authors, after offering a laundry list of how Russia’s inheritance of the USSR’s military and nuclear arsenals had deteriorated, cite their own analysis, concluding that “what (it) suggests is profound: Russia’s leaders can no longer count on a survivable nuclear deterrent. And unless they reverse course rapidly, Russia’s vulnerability will only increase over time.”
Looking at the USM’s weapons development and procurement, the authors further conclude that “…the weight of the evidence suggests that Washington is, in fact, deliberately seeking nuclear primacy. For one thing, U.S. leaders have always aspired to this goal. And the nature of the changes to the current arsenal and official rhetoric and policies support this conclusion.”

From what is apparent to us today, the Kremlin read the article and, well, “reversed course rapidly” indeed. A decade later, some say that Russia’s nuclear arsenal is more modern and potent than the US’s. Certainly, Russia has exhibited a change in its conventional force capabilities that has astonished NATO.
If the US is just now waking up to the possibility that its goal of nuclear primacy is in jeopardy, and with it Global Hegemony, and a “use it or lose it” mentality is gaining traction, then we’ve arrived at a very hairy edge indeed.
PCR says we’re staring into the abyss right now. He knows a lot more about Washington’s thinking than I do, so I am more than a little concerned.

@Ken

I have long noticed that saying “We are an exceptional people who must rule the world” bears little to no difference from “We are a master race that must rule the world”. Both statements are identical except for a slight change in terminology. And that comes from the fact that while appealing to the German “race” worked in Germany, the American people don’t define themselves as a ‘race’. So the political terminology shifted to ‘exceptional people’ which more fits the American mindset.

The dangerous part is the “must rule the world” part that is included in both.

The “western leftwing” now must be regarded as completely “pro-war” and indeed “pro-nuclear war.”

It was striking that even what was allowed within the Democrats as a ‘socialist’ and ‘opposition’ campaign by Colonel Sanders was never allowed to mention being against the military. To campaign within the Democrats, Sanders had to be pro-military, pro-war, pro-Saudi and pro-Israel. The obvious way for Sanders to pay for his programs was to cut into the trillions of dollars that the US now throws at the military so it can create problems which then need trillions more to solve. But Sanders wouldn’t touch that with a 10-foot pole in his campaign.

Thus, we now see the limits of what’s allowed on ‘the left’. Anti-war is no-longer acceptable on the left.

Since then, we saw most of the Sanders supporters back Hillary and her campaign of “We want nuclear war and we want it now.” We saw the Sanders people refuse to back a candidate like Dr. Stein who supported Bernie’s social agenda but added a pro-peace, antiwar element to it. We’ve seen most of the left go out and protest strongly and in some cases violently because they thought they weren’t going to get their war. And we’ve seen the left suddenly fall in love with The Donald the second he fires off a bunch of cruise missiles.

The modern left is now pro-war, and believes in violence and intimidation to accomplish its goals. To the extent that there was any anti-war sentiment found in American politics in the most recent cycle, it was found within the Republican Party and on the right in general.

The Soviet movie ‘Letters from Dead Men” really sums up the devastation of a nuclear war. Suggest giving a watch. Much more profound than the dinky western versions like ‘The Day After’.

There are subtitles online. Might have to rip it from utube and use vlc.

How bout nuclear winter Ken. For it or against it?

“The US military/security complex has clearly prevailed over Trump’s intention to normalize relations between the US and Russia”.

Desperately sad. The best case for electing Trump was that he was the anti-Hellary. But it seems that his backbone is so weak that he’s bent before the wind. Or perhaps snapped. I hope that he’s being cunning as a fox but I fear it’s unlikely. More of a mouse, alas.

Wee, sleekit, cow’rin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!

….

But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
In proving foresight may be vain;
The best-laid schemes o’ mice an ‘men
Gang aft agley,
An’lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!

Still thou art blest, compar’d wi’ me
The present only toucheth thee:
But, Och! I backward cast my e’e.
On prospects drear!
An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
I guess an’ fear!

“And so apparently do the American people, a population stupid beyond all belief.”

Yes, indeed.

I sign under what PCR wrote. It is all true and realistic.

The chances are high that life on earth is approaching its end.

Doomsday fetish? A bit boring by now. Still waiting for that Ebola apocalypse you PCR predicted…

American exceptionalism is not accepted by Russia and China

Don’t really know about the Russians (although I’m pretty sure they have their own version as well), but no wonder that “China” doesn’t accept it, since there they have their own rather strong belief in Chinese exceptionalism.

Lt. Gen. Viktor Poznikhir, Deputy Head of Operations of the Russian General Staff has concluded that Washington in pursuit of global hegemony is implementing an anti-ballistic missile system that Washington believes can prevent a Russian nuclear response to a US pre-emptive attack.

Which ABM system would that be? Not the one in Eastern Europe, which would be useless against Russia’s submarine-launched cruise missiles (SLCMs). No, as I understand it, the neocons are advocating the use of tactical nuclear weapons (tac-nukes) in the belief that they could that way keep the conflict limited. But I find it doubtful that the loser of such an encounter would refuse to escalate. Very dangerous, indeed …

The neoconservative claim of American exceptionalism is the identical claim made for Germans by Hitler.

This is where PCR turns into left wing distorter of history. Every time he criticizes Israel or Jewry he then sets up a Hitler/Nazi straw man to eviscerate. This way he covers his fanny from being labeled as an anti-semite and avoids alienating the “good” Jews that he considers his friends perhaps even earning some kudos from them.

But let’s assume PCR’s interpretation of Hitler’s words and deeds is correct. This is no different than Japanese emperor Hirohito and Hideki Tojo fostering the belief that the Japanese are a superior race to all non-Japanese or Soviet Jewish propagandist Ilya Ehrenberg fostering a satanic racial hatred and blood lust of the Germans throughout the Russo-German War which climaxed with the mass rape of German women following the fall of Berlin.

In contemporary times, we have revanchist Mexicans who seek to recapture the American Southwest through high levels of illegal and legal immigration and evict Anglos and other non-Mexicans…..a belief system that’s never been discouraged by the Mexican government.

There are Muslims in Egypt, Syria and Iraq who believe that Islam is superior to Christians, Yazidis and other non-Islamic religions and seek to forcibly convert, enslave or murder them. And the Jewish controlled media merely yawns. PCR has hurled more broadsides at the Ukrainian neo-Nazis than ISIS, who are far more bloodthirsty and murderous than the former.

Israeli Jews barely treat Palestinian Christians and Muslims as third class citizens and discriminate against them.

Virtually every nation, racial and religion group sees itself as exceptional and superior to other nations and groups. It’s only unique, noteworthy and reprehensible on the occasions when Europeans have done it.

If LaPen wins the CIA no doubt has a few Muslim “lone nuts” warming up in the bullpen ready to attempt an assassination. But I think they’ll foment a color revolution in the form of massive riots and protests followed by condemnations of LaPen from Nikki Haley, rawhead Rex Tillerson and V.P. Mike Pence. If that doesn’t work then perhaps they’ll unleash a Mohammed Harvey Oswald.

As we’ve seen Trump can go from being your friend to your foe in less than 24 hrs.

Remember, Israel for the Jews, Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, most of the Middle East for Muslims (unless Israel decides they covet some Muslim nation’s real estate), but white nations are for everyone!!

Dr Paul Craig Roberts is a courageous and honest man . He tells the truth most of time and most of time is right. But his hate -good hate- of the disgusting global elite that is doing everything to destroy life as we know it, sometimes, blinds him.
It is not because the global elite supports a creature in form of a human being-Macron- that Le Pen becomes the best solution for France.
For someone as intelligent as Dr PCR, it is amazing that he can’t see that both candidate are bad and that even if Le Pen was elected, she, of course, wouldn’t do what she “believes in”.
If CIA can control Trump, it won’t be difficult to control Marie Le Pen. French service secret is controlled by CIA.(Mossad).
It is obvious that if she becomes President of France, she won’t leave NATO, she won’t abandon the Euro and she won’t support Russia in Syria for example.
The force that made all French presidents since Jacques Chirac (who was against the war in Iraq), an Israeli(american) poodles, is still there.

France has/had a very good solution: someone with intelligence and character. One can compare him to Ron Paul. His name is François Assalineau. He was candidate in the first round of the presidential election. He got 0.90%.
Marie Le Pen has neither intelligence nor character. She and Trump are Tsipras.
Dr PCR isn’t well informed about France and sometimes can be very naîve. He was very naîve about Trump. Hope can blind.

Actually, de Gaulle is the origin of France’s crisis. He failed to enforce the Evian Agreement, so French Algerians were forced to return to France, and he permitted the immigration into France of considerable numbers of North Africans. Some French Patriot!

Well said.
One of the problems of an American website is that a certain percentage of commenters show invincible ignorance of historical matters. Not only of important matters like Victorian Britain, but on basic American History.
Schools and colleges in Britain and elsewhere in Europe may deal with history quite poorly, particularly compared to how history was taught in the quite recent past. However, history as taught in America seems to be particularly dumbed down and simplified politically. There seem a lot more Americans really quite ignorant of basic historical events, even recent ones. Of course, that may be the aim of the education system- to keep the masses ignorant of what’s really happening.
The reason I like commenting on Unz Review is you generally get a much better class of commenter. But you still get the odd historically ignorant moron.

Thanks for your post. Rhodes et al were disastrous for White South Africans, Boers in particular. I never thought of Rhodes being emblematic of decayed capitalism, but, on reflection, you may very well be right.

“Socialism in one country,” declared Stalin as he killed off the Soviet neoconservatives.

Killed them off? What a concept!

“As for Russia and/or China joining hands and sending some thermonuclear goodness our way, that’s not going to happen unless they’re positively suicidal. They’re smart enough to know that that’s “end of the world” type stuff.”

Yes, but is the American power elite?

People are selfish and greedy – doesn’t matter if they live under a capitalist or communist society.

I don’t think that’s true. People can be selfish or they can be altruistic; or more to the point: individualist or collectivist, or anything in the middle. Social conditioning determines what they become.

PCR would be more convincing if he didn’t display such an obvious and bitter bias, saying dumb things such as:

“If not, will Washington become a good world citizen for the first time in America’s history…”

Please.

And it would helpful if PCR would include something to back up his various assertions. It doesn’t really cut it to simply assert that the U.S. gave the sarin to the Saudis and the Saudis set it all up in Syria and that somehow our government was able to get Syria to bomb that very building. You have to make a case for it.

I don’t believe the 9/11 narrative either, but I can make a case for why I don’t believe it, and I’ve been able to at least give a few people some doubts about the official story.

But I can’t really send a column like this to people who’re not already aware of the fact that the official narrative is usually an admixture of truth and lies, because if I do, all they’re going to see is unsupported assertions.

If PCR has a desire to call people stupid, that’s fine, if he thinks that that’s a persuasive tactic, but he should also try and make a convincing case for his view of the facts. Otherwise, it all comes off as preaching to the choir.

And saying, “Trust me. I have inside info.” doesn’t work either.

As for Russia and/or China joining hands and sending some thermonuclear goodness our way, that’s not going to happen unless they’re positively suicidal. They’re smart enough to know that that’s “end of the world” type stuff.

I suppose you can be thankful for the second amendment and the relative restraint it purchases from the crazies in government.

It was a good helping of word of mouth that gave DT his momentum so it might be helpful to turn that power towards those serving in the military and police to persuade them to detach in as many creative ways they can think of and not allow themselves to be used against the American people.

The first American revolution was largely powered by simple handbills, a low tech tool that still has its uses. People Power has been able to overwhelm tyranny in the past so I hope it will again in the future but a tipping point of understanding would have to be reached first.

I personally think that the most formidable weapon to be used against Americans will be the suspension of access to food but I hope I’m wrong on that. Always best to prepare for the worst and hope for the best though.

Must be difficult to grind out learned treatises on the plight of the hapless ME without any mention of the conniving IzzieFirster jooies……under 2% of the population, over 50% of the Swampster’s cabinet, control of the media and central bank and financial industries. These traitors riddle the whole federal government like termites in a 100 year old log home. White Americans have to be the most stupid, gullible creatures imaginable…….

His mentor was Roy Cohn.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/former-mccarthy-aide-showed-trump-how-to-exploit-power-and-draw-attention/2016/06/16/e9f44f20-2bf3-11e6-9b37-42985f6a265c_story.html?utm_term=.1df9df28de08

Trump has played his part perfectly. Just as every other POTUS, he immediately abandoned his rhetoric and became a mouthpiece for the Empire’s real rulers.

If he stays on schedule, within two years, Congress will finally declare war. We’ll then be living under martial law, and the PTB will replace Trump with a Hollywood action hero.

Enjoy the show!

Ideology doesn’t work. Taking communism seriously was suicidal. Taking capitalism seriously is suicidal. Society must allow for innovation, but it must also be regulated. It must allow for success while not making it a winner take all situation. The government should focus on making the economic infrastructure low-cost and efficient. Our economy is now only efficient at producing McMansions, trailer parks, prisons, and an obese population.

Depends on what you mean by “quality of life”. If someone has done objective, physical harm to you or your property, unintentionally or otherwise, you should be able to sue for damages if necessary.

Trump was the bane of the neocons and deep state on the campaign trail but is now their prodigal son. Some of his biggest critics, like (((Billy Kristol))) and Bushbot Dana Perino of FOX are suddenly his biggest supporters at least on foreign policy. Perino, who kept telling us that Trump was unelectable, is now predicting an easy Trump reelection in 2020!

Notice how the baseless allegations of Trump colluding with the Russkies and being a “Putin stooge” have suddenly faded away. That’s because they served their purpose and Trump finally took the hint that becoming an Israel first neocon would make his life and presidency much, much easier.

This just proves that the American people have been totally disenfranchised and that elections truly don’t matter. American elections are about as useful as those that took place in the former Soviet Union. America is governed not by its elected representatives, but ruled by a politburo of (((oligarchs))), corporate and racial lobbies and unelected bureaucrats.

Deep state dipsh!t for sure.

“Trump Now a Captive of the Deep State”

Or was he always a member.

Boers were also forced off their land, or more precisely dispossessed of their country. I suppose you can blame Rhodes and Beit for that, though the system that allowed them to do that was not capitalism per se but its terminal decay.

That might actually have been the most accurate part of “Anon”‘s post.

[…] Wash Post: Head of D.C. National Guard to be removed from post in middle of inauguration. UNZ Review: Is Obama Behind the Hit on Trump? How the Deep State Game Is Played. Is Trump Already Finished? […]

I’m starting to feel like a bit of a ditto-head when commenting on PCR’s columns, but there’s nothing he said here that I can disagree with. We are presently being ruled by profoundly evil people–and most Americans don’t know or even want to know. I am filled with despair.