Congratulations to Mr Ron Unz and great respect for Mr Ron Paul. As a non-American, I can only write that both are rare examples of US individuals of immense integrity, capacity and intelligence. A better endorsement could not have come, great news which put a happy smile on my face. Wish Ron the best for his candidacy and hope the voters will recognize what most of us commenters at unz.com already know: Vote Unz to represent California!
There is no such thing as bad publicity (albeit this one is not bad):
The Unusual Mr. Unz Comes Closest To Immigration Patriotism In CA’s Tribalist Senate Debate
by Brenda Walker, May 14, 2016
It was nice to see on the photo Mr. Unz’s hair nicely trimmed.
In spite of the title, Mr. Unz did not demonstrate tribalism.
God speed, Mr. Unz.
Doctor Paul has endorsed Ron Unz. High praise indeed.
All the best to Unz and his campaign.
Well sir, among the western politicians, being a “turncoat” is considered “nothing to be ashamed”. You remember Republican propagandist David Cole, who used to demonize American Muslims and especially Iran – now claims Holocaust was based lies, fraud and hoax.
Then there is former French president Nicolas Sarkozy, the half-Jewish who used to work for Israeli Mossad before entering politics. During his presidency he turned against the self-claimed “Viceroy” of the world Jewry, Benjamin Netanyahu.
In November 2011, according to two journalists, Arnaud Leparmentier of Le Monde and Dan Israel of Arrêt sur Images, Sarkozy told Obama: “I cannot bear Netanyahu, he is a liar“. To which Obama replied: “You may be sick of him, but I have to deal with him every day“.
https://rehmat1.com/2011/11/09/adl-slams-obama-and-sarkozy-for-insulting-bibi/
“However, Ron Paul’s endorsement could turn the Organized Jewry against you.”
I am not sure I agree with you.. The Ron Paul camp was responsible for the election of the turncoat Ted “I am Canadian” Cruz, and he and his wife are ashkenazi puppets..
I want to congratulate Mr. Unz on the endorsement, and I also want to thank him for something even more significant:
In his campaign, Ron Unz is correctly describing the links between immigration and other issues. In debates and written positions, he explains to voters how unchecked immigration effects not only jobs and wages, but also our environment.
Supply and demand connects immigration with wages, as Unz explained during a debate recently. He made this point during his answer to a question about the minimum wage.
When asked about global warming (presumably anthropogenic) Ron pointed out his great scientific qualifications and then went on to point out that rapid population growth in the US, caused by massive immigration, is creating real, concrete damage to our environment.
Kudos to Candidate Unz!
an amazing endorsement Senator Unz!
it says a lot
kudos and God speed in your efforts
Being endorsed by a man if Paul’s stature and integrity is a great achievement. Congratulations, Ron Unz.
Nevertheless, millions of illegal immigrants must be rounded up and safely returned to Mexico. This must remain a top priority for any high California official. Is massive repatriation inhumane? No, not at all. In fact, repatriation is not only culturally and economically sensible, but it’s a relatively mild penalty for lawbreakers.
Just consider the fact that America (and California) arrests and imprison millions of is own citizens just for smoking weed. It’s how we do business. But smoking pot should be a personal choice in a free society. After all, abortion is.
Also, countless women (and their customers) are arrested for being in the sex industry. Meanwhile, pornography is legal, being declared a ‘constitutional right’. What’s with that?
We are not a free society. And we are a dangerous society.
Indeed, ‘democratic America’ routinely invades and slaughters countless people thousands of miles from its borders. These injured and killed foreign nationals committed no crime against America and sought no conflict with the American people. Murder by remote control is just part of how Washington does business. But maybe those responsible should be removed from office. Maybe they should do some jail time, too. Don’t innocent lives matter?
Ron Paul is right: US agencies must stop their violent and aggressive interference in the lives of others. War criminals should be prosecuted, including the ones who nest in Washington. Freedom and liberty must regain its proper place in American life.
But let’s add this to the list as well: no illegal invasion by unwanted foreign nationals can be countenanced.
These are all urgent issues. Let’s press forward.
[…] 10. Ron Paul endorses Unz for U.S. Senate (Hat Tip: Scott Sumner) […]
“Ron Paul Endorses Ron Unz for the U.S. Senate in California”
FANTASTIC !!!
How many have felt hope for California from the Ron Unz stand? Me, for one. Pray it’s not too late and he’ll win.
[…] And Ron Paul is supporting Ron Unz in the California Senate race. Here are some of Unz’s […]
Now all you need is the endorsement of the Bush family and your in.
I wish I were from California, so I could vote for you, Mr. Unz. Best of luck!
Ron Paul is that rarest of breeds, a politician with integrity, so this is fantastic news! Congratulations, Ron!
Congratulations on this endorsement Mr. Unz. Ron Paul is a truth teller and does not pass out endorsements casually. I hope and expect that this will help you with California Republicans.
Mr. Unz, it’s indeed a great achievement to be endorsed by a patriotic politician like former Congressman Ron Paul. I sincerely hope you also get endorsement from Cynthia McKinney.
However, Ron Paul’s endorsement could turn the Organized Jewry against you. I remember in 2011, Abraham Foxman, national Guru of Israel lobby group, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), said that all GOP contenders with the exception of Ron Paul, agrees with Israel Lobby’s (AIPAC) views on Israel, Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hizbullah.
Douglas Bloomfield, a writer at the Jewish Week, wrote an Op-Ed in Israel daily the Jerusalem Post on February 22, 2012, titled ‘Washington Watch: Watching the Arab vote’. Bloomfield’s article shows his concern about the popularity of Ron Paul among the Arab minority, 63% of which is first-second-third generation Christians immigrants from Syria and Lebanon.
Bloomfield says that unlike most American Jews – Israel is not the highest priority within Arab community in Michigan and elsewhere. They’re more focussed on Syria, Hizbullah and Iran. “Sympathy for the Palestinian cause runs high among Arab-Americans, but it’s not the highest political priority for most of them – not unlike the Jews and Israel,” Bloomfield quotes Cohen, an Arab-American community expert with the Detriot Jewish News.
So, my sincere advice would be to pick-up phone and call the local chapter of ADL and pledge that you would be more loyal to Israeli cause than Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump put together.
In 2014, in an interview Ron Paul told Charles Goyette, host of podcast ‘Money and Markets’ that Bush administration had the pre-knowledge of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
“I believe if we ever get the full truth, we will find out that over government had it in the records exactly what the plan were, or at least close to it,” Ron Paul said.
https://rehmat1.com/2014/09/04/ron-paul-911-was-an-inside-job/
Ron Paul’s 2002 Predictions All Come True – Incredible Video!
It was the insertion of these things that made you switch from an opponent to a supporter of the agreement? I'm intrigued to learn more about such pivotal matters... care to elaborate how these items assuaged your earlier concerns that the agreement would result in Iran getting the bomb at its conclusion?
...just important memoranda and ratifications...
I never was an opponent to begin with.
Importantly in the last three months, details of monitoring, composition, financial and economic snapbacks were still being made explicit. There are actually many details that are still in process. For example, the Iranian equity markets are trading internally at roughly 5 times earnings, which is attractive. What happens in the event of a snapback for investors who risked capital?
A few questions of that nature (a risk management aspect really).
Would you now do me the courtesy to perhaps respond to my query #140 in the other forum of Phil Giraldi’s?
…just important memoranda and ratifications…
It was the insertion of these things that made you switch from an opponent to a supporter of the agreement? I’m intrigued to learn more about such pivotal matters… care to elaborate how these items assuaged your earlier concerns that the agreement would result in Iran getting the bomb at its conclusion?
Could you be a little more specific about which articles were inserted that facilitated the switch?
...over which the switch occurred, certain rather important “articles” were inserted...
Nothing sinister, just important memoranda and ratifications between European and American Banking as they apply towards ongoing custody and settlements.
It was the insertion of these things that made you switch from an opponent to a supporter of the agreement? I'm intrigued to learn more about such pivotal matters... care to elaborate how these items assuaged your earlier concerns that the agreement would result in Iran getting the bomb at its conclusion?
...just important memoranda and ratifications...
Indeed I do and right you are. There is also this small matter of dates, over which the switch occurred, certain rather important "articles" were inserted, which concluded the deal.
the important role articles play in sentences and the confusion that ensues when switching from the indefinite to the definite article, no?
…over which the switch occurred, certain rather important “articles” were inserted…
Could you be a little more specific about which articles were inserted that facilitated the switch?
Here's what you wrote before:
Yes to the deal...
Being the consummate grammarian you claim to be, you, of all people, should understand the important role articles play in sentences and the confusion that ensues when switching from the indefinite to the definite article, no?
I am not opposed to a deal...
the important role articles play in sentences and the confusion that ensues when switching from the indefinite to the definite article, no?
Indeed I do and right you are. There is also this small matter of dates, over which the switch occurred, certain rather important “articles” were inserted, which concluded the deal.
Could you be a little more specific about which articles were inserted that facilitated the switch?
...over which the switch occurred, certain rather important “articles” were inserted...
Here’s what you just wrote:
Yes to the deal…
Here’s what you wrote before:
I am not opposed to a deal…
Being the consummate grammarian you claim to be, you, of all people, should understand the important role articles play in sentences and the confusion that ensues when switching from the indefinite to the definite article, no?
Indeed I do and right you are. There is also this small matter of dates, over which the switch occurred, certain rather important "articles" were inserted, which concluded the deal.
the important role articles play in sentences and the confusion that ensues when switching from the indefinite to the definite article, no?
Yes to the deal no to nukes.
The deal has ample safeguards, and the economic opportunities for the US and global investors are compelling, which will serve to promote peace and stability.
Netanyahu is actually a creature limited by his narrow vision and intelligence. His demagoguery was directly responsible for Rabin’s assassination.
Sharon was a consummate chess player, soldier and realpolitiker (I know you hold a dim view of Sharon, Sabra Shatla etc. etc., however it is not the whole truth, all leaders are flawed. Show me one that is not). When he realised that there was no support for Greater Israel (mind you that Palestinians also wanted Greater Palestine from Jordan river to the Med Sea), he started unwinding, convinced that a 2SS was the answer (with the Wall). He was fully invested in it and was the leader everybody looked to bring it about, with the partnership of GWB. He had the drive, vision and experience. Then he suffered a stroke and that nebbisher Bibi and his maniacal group of proto-Russians (who imho are not really Jewish) took over. How I regret his death.
No?
Agreed, but it all depends on which end of the exponential distribution you happen to fall.
Point is, we all speculate to varying extents, notwithstanding the indulgence in cryptics.
+7σ
http://www.unz.com/article/the-politics-of-protest-is-literally-killing-us/#comment-985766
Simply wanted to see the source of that poll. Also as I made abundantly clear, I am not opposed to a deal, but not one that hands over the bomb upon expiration of it!
Yes?
um
“Mossad!, Mossad! I say” was lost on us? Why not the KGB, CIA
assuming you’re talking about 911
The anthrax attacks occurred immediately after the attacks on 9/11. The attempt was to link them to Saddam Hussein to justify the invasion of Iraq. Cui bono?
Simply wanted to see the source of that poll. Also as I made abundantly clear, I am not opposed to a deal, but not one that hands over the bomb upon expiration of it!
http://www.unz.com/article/the-politics-of-protest-is-literally-killing-us/#comment-985766
It appears the advice I proffered to Mr. 204 to preface each comment with “I am simply speculating” applies to you as well, as you know nothing about me.and naturally, the implication being that your own statements are are pristine and free of any speculation, (kept typically cryptic, yet transparent in their attempts to stay out of trouble). Did you think, e.g. your statement
and it's not quite subtle allegation, that it was "Mossad!, Mossad! I say" was lost on us? Why not the KGB, CIA or any of the other clandestine organisations? Point is, we all speculate to varying extents, notwithstanding the indulgence in cryptics.
It’d be fascinating to get a glimpse of the Mossad’s “to do” list!
Point is, we all speculate to varying extents, notwithstanding the indulgence in cryptics.
Agreed, but it all depends on which end of the exponential distribution you happen to fall.
um
“Mossad!, Mossad! I say” was lost on us? Why not the KGB, CIA
assuming you’re talking about 911
Not necessarily and not necessarily about the WTC attacks.
It appears the advice I proffered to Mr. 204 to preface each comment with “I am simply speculating” applies to you as well, as you know nothing about me.and naturally, the implication being that your own statements are are pristine and free of any speculation, (kept typically cryptic, yet transparent in their attempts to stay out of trouble). Did you think, e.g. your statement
and it's not quite subtle allegation, that it was "Mossad!, Mossad! I say" was lost on us? Why not the KGB, CIA or any of the other clandestine organisations? Point is, we all speculate to varying extents, notwithstanding the indulgence in cryptics.
It’d be fascinating to get a glimpse of the Mossad’s “to do” list!
“Mossad!, Mossad! I say” was lost on us? Why not the KGB, CIA
um
assuming you’re talking about 911
I don’t think is was KGB agents who were caught ‘documenting the event’
or the hundreds of “art students” who were rounded up and sent back to Israel after 911
check out Carl Cameron’s investigation of the subject
“evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”
like the video’s of the plane hitting the Pentagon, there are just some things too hurtful for us American’s to see or know about
that’s why they won’t show the video of the SEAL team taking out Osama Emanuel Goldstein or any pictures of the dead mastermind
it would just be too hurtful for us to see that
better that we watch Gadhafi being sodomized and butchered by our noble allies or some other such trifle
I’m pretty sure it was the KGB who did that as well
Not necessarily and not necessarily about the WTC attacks.
assuming you’re talking about 911
The anthrax attacks occurred immediately after the attacks on 9/11. The attempt was to link them to Saddam Hussein to justify the invasion of Iraq. Cui bono?
assuming you’re talking about 911
I'm nobody special, just someone who doesn't overlook the fact of western culture's excusing of the rank pederasty and pedophilia associated with Plato worship for generations, for instance the practical worship of Plato in Catholic intelligentsia (Keep it in the closet boys!) Example given, the Lycée Louis-le-Grand that educates the elite of France is run by these people:
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight – Plato has been studied for over two millennia for his profound insights and you… who are you again? (rhetorical question)
western culture’s excusing of the rank pederasty
all the pro-homosexual crap and other abominations emanating out of the occupied west are anathema to Western Civilization and its people. The pederasty of ancient Greece and Rome (and today’s British aristocracy and the Vatican) are abhorrent to the sensibilities of the Western man’s nature. That’s just one more reason why increasingly we are forced to lament that we in the occupied west don’t have a leader like Putin. There he is over there in Russia far to the east and he’s ten times more of a Western man than any of the vile cretins who they’ve propped up for us to vote for here in the “west”.
US involve itself with the terrorists
Once you understand that the whole point of all the wars over there is to destroy any and all opposition to Israel’s genocidal atrocities, then everything makes total sense. Including arming and funding and providing material support for sub-human cannibals and head-slicers. They want the Golan Heights, and destroying Syria like they did Libya will make that a reality.
I think that when it suits these guys to pretend that they don't get it (the "it" in this case being sarcasm or irony or whatever) then they don't get it -- i.e. wilful obtuseness.
I guess you don’t do sarcasm eh?
Shama guy with his Pinocchio story about his ivy league shrink friend who had diagnosed me …
yea, I was prescribed pharmaceuticals on this very thread for my ‘affliction’. I guess at a certain point they have to resort to that kind of thing when their arguments are destroyed and they’re tossing in the wind. But then again, it must hurt to have their egos checked a little. Some of them around here are rather large.
So, why are you so darned obsessed with the realization that a clique of criminals within your government murdered thousands of innocent people on 9/11, framed another set of innocent people, in order to start wars of aggression in which hundreds of thousands or millions more innocent people would ultimately die?
How can you be obsessed by something so utterly trivial?
you put that very well
I think on some level we all have an agenda, and mine (and others) is to find out the truth and hold the people responsible for what they did on that day- and their subsequent war crimes and assorted atrocities. Whereas other people’s agenda is to do the opposite, and try to muddle and befuddle the truth so that the treasonous murdering fiends can get away with it and do it again.
They too have their agenda.
you say:
It appears the advice I proffered to Mr. 204 to preface each comment with “I am simply speculating” applies to you as well, as you know nothing about me.
and naturally, the implication being that your own statements are are pristine and free of any speculation, (kept typically cryptic, yet transparent in their attempts to stay out of trouble). Did you think, e.g. your statement
It’d be fascinating to get a glimpse of the Mossad’s “to do” list!
and it’s not quite subtle allegation, that it was “Mossad!, Mossad! I say” was lost on us? Why not the KGB, CIA or any of the other clandestine organisations?
Point is, we all speculate to varying extents, notwithstanding the indulgence in cryptics.
um
“Mossad!, Mossad! I say” was lost on us? Why not the KGB, CIA
Agreed, but it all depends on which end of the exponential distribution you happen to fall.
Point is, we all speculate to varying extents, notwithstanding the indulgence in cryptics.
That's strange... I could have swore you were opposed to this deal, as well.
For example I think that AIPAC et al. are seriously in the wrong on the Iran deal...
Certainly not. Check my previous responses.
http://www.unz.com/article/the-politics-of-protest-is-literally-killing-us/#comment-985766
Simply wanted to see the source of that poll. Also as I made abundantly clear, I am not opposed to a deal, but not one that hands over the bomb upon expiration of it!
It appears the advice I proffered to Mr. 204 to preface each comment with “I am simply speculating” applies to you as well, as you know nothing about me.
It appears the advice I proffered to Mr. 204 to preface each comment with “I am simply speculating” applies to you as well, as you know nothing about me.and naturally, the implication being that your own statements are are pristine and free of any speculation, (kept typically cryptic, yet transparent in their attempts to stay out of trouble). Did you think, e.g. your statement
and it's not quite subtle allegation, that it was "Mossad!, Mossad! I say" was lost on us? Why not the KGB, CIA or any of the other clandestine organisations? Point is, we all speculate to varying extents, notwithstanding the indulgence in cryptics.
It’d be fascinating to get a glimpse of the Mossad’s “to do” list!
I'm nobody special, just someone who doesn't overlook the fact of western culture's excusing of the rank pederasty and pedophilia associated with Plato worship for generations, for instance the practical worship of Plato in Catholic intelligentsia (Keep it in the closet boys!) Example given, the Lycée Louis-le-Grand that educates the elite of France is run by these people:
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight – Plato has been studied for over two millennia for his profound insights and you… who are you again? (rhetorical question)
ps @ geokat, your inability to set aside your ethnocentric bias in relation to your own culture’s heroes is nothing special, it’s little different to what Eyal Weizman states in relation to Israeli denial:
the negation of negation tallies well with what Saree Makdisi, talking about the Israeli refusal to acknowledge the Nakba, has termed ‘the denial of denial’, which is, he says, ‘a form of foreclosure that produces the inability – the absolutely honest, sincere incapacity – to acknowledge that denial and erasure have themselves been erased in turn
If you’d listened to the Marimba Ani interview in the youtube link I’d provided, she discusses underlying psychological phenomenon in relation to European culture that is related. But even then it is doubtful you’d see outside the prism cultural bias produces in European based mentality.
Denial is a powerful psychological force in most people-
Let's see if I've got this straight - Plato has been studied for over two millennia for his profound insights and you... who are you again? (rhetorical question)
Sure, Plato might have espoused stuff like that, but then hypocrites abound...
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight – Plato has been studied for over two millennia for his profound insights and you… who are you again? (rhetorical question)
I’m nobody special, just someone who doesn’t overlook the fact of western culture’s excusing of the rank pederasty and pedophilia associated with Plato worship for generations, for instance the practical worship of Plato in Catholic intelligentsia (Keep it in the closet boys!) Example given, the Lycée Louis-le-Grand that educates the elite of France is run by these people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpWS1pBXSas
^
all the pro-homosexual crap and other abominations emanating out of the occupied west are anathema to Western Civilization and its people. The pederasty of ancient Greece and Rome (and today's British aristocracy and the Vatican) are abhorrent to the sensibilities of the Western man's nature. That's just one more reason why increasingly we are forced to lament that we in the occupied west don't have a leader like Putin. There he is over there in Russia far to the east and he's ten times more of a Western man than any of the vile cretins who they've propped up for us to vote for here in the "west".
western culture’s excusing of the rank pederasty
It really does not, if you look at my views carefully. If it has a slant, it is no more than that which characterises the opinions of the opposition.
Your speculation always seems to take on a particular slant… but then again you never announced (like some others) that your goal was seeking the truth!
For example I think that AIPAC et al. are seriously in the wrong on the Iran deal…
That’s strange… I could have swore you were opposed to this deal, as well.
I think that when it suits these guys to pretend that they don't get it (the "it" in this case being sarcasm or irony or whatever) then they don't get it -- i.e. wilful obtuseness.
I guess you don’t do sarcasm eh?
Does US involve itself with the terrorists that it has been fighting against for 10 -13 yrs? Involvement isn’t engaging from opposing camps but holding hands ,nurturing,and facilitating?
It still will be ridiculed as absurd paranoia conspiracy but the truth is that one man’s conspiracy is another man’s grand bargain.
Once you understand that the whole point of all the wars over there is to destroy any and all opposition to Israel's genocidal atrocities, then everything makes total sense. Including arming and funding and providing material support for sub-human cannibals and head-slicers. They want the Golan Heights, and destroying Syria like they did Libya will make that a reality.
US involve itself with the terrorists
bosom?!
bosom buddy
bosom!!!
Yeah, what would old Ziggy Freud say about all this? I should ask my (imaginary) psychoanalyst friend.
Maybe you could be forgiven for smugly replying with that same snide and hollow pretension your known for, even when you're clearly wrong, because as I'm starting to see, sarcasm may be a bit too nuanced for you. (being as you like to pigeon hole us all into neat little groupings to assuage your narrow bigotries) But that other thing bouncing around here even replied to this post! So it has zero excuse for not seeing the glaring, dripping, over-the-top sarcasm.
•Rurik
July 18, 2015 at 2:51 pm GMT
@Wizard of OzOK then ..
Now if you were to make a nuanced distinction between the very latgely commercial – e.g. Murdoch, the propagandist as in anything in English from Russia or Beijing, the largely non-commercial and semi independent like the BBC and Guardian etc etc….that could be quite interesting.
For a distinction between the controlled media of the west vs. Russian (I don’t know much about the Chinese media), I offer the following for your edification
In the west as regards Saddam’s WMD, all we heard about was lies intended to justify attacking an innocent nation and its people based on evidence that was lied about. When it turned out to be lies, the entire western media collectively yawned and just kept the lies coming. Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, Osama the mystery cadaver that our SEAL team heroically took down while the entire western media collectively lied about virtually every single thing mentioned without exception. And when all these vile and disgraceful lies were proven to be lies, they just tell more lies.
I could on for quite some time about the lies our controlled western media tell. Starting of course with all the other lies that were used to foment wars and their subsequent slaughter of innocent people by the millions. Lies and the consequent wars that now in retrospect, people should be dancing at the end of a rope for telling. But are rather there, still entrenched in front of the camera telling us all more lies every day.
Recent lies of course are the lies that are told about the events of 911. The lies and vile innuendoes that were repeated relentlessly about Saddam’s terrorism ties to 911. The lies about Afghanistan’s guilt for 911 and the lies that were told to get us into that catastrophic war. The lies about the Syrian gas attack. The lies about Benghazi and how that silly movie motivated the whole thing and caught them all off guard. Now the lies about how Putin shot down the plane.
All these lies are told with an amazing amount of uniformity from the entire length and breath of the west, from Alaska to New Zealand. It’s as if when the wall came down, it was because the Soviet Union had now come across the wall and had taken root over here in the former West- where truth was something of value, and turned into the new west, where lies are ubiquitous, and the only thing that seems certain, is that if Tony Blair, or George Bush, or David Cameron or Barak Obama are talking, then they are lying.
Vs. Putin who to my knowledge has not spoken one lie that I know of. (please enlighten me if you can). Who has not made one aggressive act against any of his neighbors or anyone else, but rather has been forced to scramble to the aid of his friends as international pieces of shit like John McCain and his tools like Saakashvili, (who now finds his pathetic self in Ukraine acting on behalf of the douche bag McCain once again)- start fires all over the place where Putin has to waste his time putting them out.
Putin is forced to be the only adult in the room when he’s confronted by the west today. He’s had to deal with McCain’s BS in South Ossetia just like today’s he’s having to do the same thing in Crimea. And he’s always honest about it (that’s why his people love him), while our politicians and media only tell lies on top of lies after lies and more lies. That’s why their mistrusted and hated universally.
Is that a little distinction for ya?
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I guess you don’t do sarcasm eh?
I think that when it suits these guys to pretend that they don’t get it (the “it” in this case being sarcasm or irony or whatever) then they don’t get it — i.e. wilful obtuseness.
To me, it was totally obvious that you were repeating those MSM talking points ironically — that you yourself believe the exact opposite.
The way some of the arseholes on this site behave is just extraordinary at times. Like this Sammy Shama guy with his Pinocchio story about his ivy league shrink friend who had diagnosed me with some mental illness…
I was thinking about that a bit more today and it’s really weird. I mean, the whole idea that I (or you, say) suffer from some “obsession” about 9/11, say. I’m no shrink, but surely an obsessive disorder is about being obsessed with stuff that doesn’t matter, like Jack Nicholson in that movie who suffers obsessive compulsive disorder and has all these weird obsessions, like not stepping on the cracks in the pavement when he walks down the street, stuff like that.
The idea that being “obsessed” with the truth about 9/11 and the other false flag terrorism is a mental illness — this surely is based on the idea that this is just a trivial, unimportant topic and that only somebody “loopy” would be obsessed with it.
So, why are you so darned obsessed with the realization that a clique of criminals within your government murdered thousands of innocent people on 9/11, framed another set of innocent people, in order to start wars of aggression in which hundreds of thousands or millions more innocent people would ultimately die?
How can you be obsessed by something so utterly trivial?
You should pay attention to important things, like not stepping on the cracks in the sidewalk!
yea, I was prescribed pharmaceuticals on this very thread for my 'affliction'. I guess at a certain point they have to resort to that kind of thing when their arguments are destroyed and they're tossing in the wind. But then again, it must hurt to have their egos checked a little. Some of them around here are rather large.
Shama guy with his Pinocchio story about his ivy league shrink friend who had diagnosed me …
you put that very well
So, why are you so darned obsessed with the realization that a clique of criminals within your government murdered thousands of innocent people on 9/11, framed another set of innocent people, in order to start wars of aggression in which hundreds of thousands or millions more innocent people would ultimately die?
How can you be obsessed by something so utterly trivial?
Sure, Plato might have espoused stuff like that, but then hypocrites abound…
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight – Plato has been studied for over two millennia for his profound insights and you… who are you again? (rhetorical question)
I'm nobody special, just someone who doesn't overlook the fact of western culture's excusing of the rank pederasty and pedophilia associated with Plato worship for generations, for instance the practical worship of Plato in Catholic intelligentsia (Keep it in the closet boys!) Example given, the Lycée Louis-le-Grand that educates the elite of France is run by these people:
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight – Plato has been studied for over two millennia for his profound insights and you… who are you again? (rhetorical question)
Through contact with Beauty itself the human being becomes immortal and produces true virtue.
True religion consists in a virtuous life and recognition of Reason's operation in the universe.
Plato refused to acquiesce in the relativity of science and moral values.
Plato meant to establish ascertained truth.
Sure, Plato might have espoused stuff like that, but then hypocrites abound (or maybe he was just self deceived.) Spiritual advisers to the mighty do male prostitutes:
How different is Plato’s (or ancient Greek society’s) elder men’s lust for young men different to modern pederasty? Is the modern European identical habit only wrong because it is kept in the closet? Is this why it is not ‘beautiful’ ?
Meanwhile, you might expand your horizons by having a look at another culture’s view of Plato:
Could Plato be a case of ‘beauty is in the eye of the beholder’ ? (rhetorical question)
It really is. Just like reality is a fluid thing in a constant state of change. If you think about it, people's perceptions are fragile as a consequence. Similar to someone or something is frozen like a snapshot in one's memory and the surprise when meeting again after quite some time to note perhaps unanticipated changes. As well, institutions, even nations can suffer from a lack of necessary elasticity to adapt and become irrelevant or even brittle and break. As went Sparta...
Truth is an ephemeral concept
I’ve been reading Frederick Copleston’s A History of Philosophy and came across these quotes that pertain to Plato’s views on truth and reality:
Through contact with Beauty itself the human being becomes immortal and produces true virtue.
True religion consists in a virtuous life and recognition of Reason’s operation in the universe.
Plato refused to acquiesce in the relativity of science and moral values.
Plato meant to establish ascertained truth.
Medications are used to treat the symptoms of mental disorders such as schizophrenia, depression, bipolar disorder (sometimes called manic-depressive illness), anxiety disorders, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Sometimes medications are used with other treatments such as psychotherapy. Psychotherapy alone may be the best treatment for a person, depending on the illness and its severity. Other times, psychotherapy is combined with medications.
This health topic includes general information on:
Types of medications used to treat mental disorders
Some of these medications have been available since the mid-1950s. These first-generation medications are also called conventional "typical" antipsychotics. Some of the more commonly used medications include:
Chlorpromazine
Haloperidol
Perphenazine
Fluphenazine,
In the 1990s, new antipsychotic medications were developed. These newer medications are called second generation, or "atypical" antipsychotics.
One of these medications was clozapine. It is a very effective medication that treats psychotic symptoms, hallucinations, and breaks with reality, such as when a person believes he or she is the president. But clozapine can sometimes cause a serious problem called agranulocytosis, which is a loss of the white blood cells that help a person fight infection. Therefore, people who take clozapine must get their white blood cell counts checked every week or two. This problem and the cost of blood tests make treatment with clozapine difficult for many people. Still, clozapine is potentially helpful for people who do not respond to other antipsychotic medications.
Other atypical antipsychotics were developed. All of them are effective. Agranulocytosis is less likely to occur with these medications than with clozapine, but it has been reported. These include:
Risperidone
Olanzapine
Quetiapine
Ziprasidone
Aripiprazole
Paliperidone
Lurasidone…
Of course you should not self-medicate but consult with a mental health professional -
bosom buddy
bosom?!
bosom!!!
is that yet another thinly veiled sexist shibboleth of the closet misogynist?
I’ve sort of suspected that someone here protesteth just a little too much ; )
projection I think it’s called
and no, I’m NOT referring to bosoms! >: (
Yeah, what would old Ziggy Freud say about all this? I should ask my (imaginary) psychoanalyst friend.
bosom!!!
Maybe you could be forgiven for smugly replying with that same snide and hollow pretension your known for, even when you're clearly wrong, because as I'm starting to see, sarcasm may be a bit too nuanced for you. (being as you like to pigeon hole us all into neat little groupings to assuage your narrow bigotries) But that other thing bouncing around here even replied to this post! So it has zero excuse for not seeing the glaring, dripping, over-the-top sarcasm.
•Rurik
July 18, 2015 at 2:51 pm GMT
@Wizard of OzOK then ..
Now if you were to make a nuanced distinction between the very latgely commercial – e.g. Murdoch, the propagandist as in anything in English from Russia or Beijing, the largely non-commercial and semi independent like the BBC and Guardian etc etc….that could be quite interesting.
For a distinction between the controlled media of the west vs. Russian (I don’t know much about the Chinese media), I offer the following for your edification
In the west as regards Saddam’s WMD, all we heard about was lies intended to justify attacking an innocent nation and its people based on evidence that was lied about. When it turned out to be lies, the entire western media collectively yawned and just kept the lies coming. Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, Osama the mystery cadaver that our SEAL team heroically took down while the entire western media collectively lied about virtually every single thing mentioned without exception. And when all these vile and disgraceful lies were proven to be lies, they just tell more lies.
I could on for quite some time about the lies our controlled western media tell. Starting of course with all the other lies that were used to foment wars and their subsequent slaughter of innocent people by the millions. Lies and the consequent wars that now in retrospect, people should be dancing at the end of a rope for telling. But are rather there, still entrenched in front of the camera telling us all more lies every day.
Recent lies of course are the lies that are told about the events of 911. The lies and vile innuendoes that were repeated relentlessly about Saddam’s terrorism ties to 911. The lies about Afghanistan’s guilt for 911 and the lies that were told to get us into that catastrophic war. The lies about the Syrian gas attack. The lies about Benghazi and how that silly movie motivated the whole thing and caught them all off guard. Now the lies about how Putin shot down the plane.
All these lies are told with an amazing amount of uniformity from the entire length and breath of the west, from Alaska to New Zealand. It’s as if when the wall came down, it was because the Soviet Union had now come across the wall and had taken root over here in the former West- where truth was something of value, and turned into the new west, where lies are ubiquitous, and the only thing that seems certain, is that if Tony Blair, or George Bush, or David Cameron or Barak Obama are talking, then they are lying.
Vs. Putin who to my knowledge has not spoken one lie that I know of. (please enlighten me if you can). Who has not made one aggressive act against any of his neighbors or anyone else, but rather has been forced to scramble to the aid of his friends as international pieces of shit like John McCain and his tools like Saakashvili, (who now finds his pathetic self in Ukraine acting on behalf of the douche bag McCain once again)- start fires all over the place where Putin has to waste his time putting them out.
Putin is forced to be the only adult in the room when he’s confronted by the west today. He’s had to deal with McCain’s BS in South Ossetia just like today’s he’s having to do the same thing in Crimea. And he’s always honest about it (that’s why his people love him), while our politicians and media only tell lies on top of lies after lies and more lies. That’s why their mistrusted and hated universally.
Is that a little distinction for ya?
• Replies: @geokat62
You can pass this on to your bosom buddy JR (it be good for Bibi too)
bosom?!
bosom buddy
I didn't forget this, especially now that (in your recent comment) you've made an assertion your religion is truth. Firstly, these are Pentagon and Department of State talking points. Secondly, it was Carla Del Ponte was promptly pushed out of her UN role on the Syria gas issue when she pointed the finger at the anti-Assad forces for false flag gas attacks early on (information developed further by independent investigators.) Thirdly, Putin shooting planes out of the sky is something even the phony, politicized, Dutch led investigation won't dare conclude. And fourthly, you consistently prop up the patently dishonest (classic troll technique) act represented in JR.
Let’s stop worrying about who killed who’, and go about discussing important things like why is Assad gassing his own people?! What the hell’s wrong with that guy? Why are we allowing Putin to shoot planes out of the sky?! Why isn’t Obama sending troops?!
I guess you don’t do sarcasm eh?
Those “talking points” you point out were things I was mocking as obvious absurdities. This is a post from a thread you were on, even if you missed it. It shows perfectly that I’m quite aware of the State Dept. penchant for lies. (I even put them in bold for you just for your convenience ; )
•Rurik
July 18, 2015 at 2:51 pm GMT
@Wizard of OzNow if you were to make a nuanced distinction between the very latgely commercial – e.g. Murdoch, the propagandist as in anything in English from Russia or Beijing, the largely non-commercial and semi independent like the BBC and Guardian etc etc….that could be quite interesting.
OK then ..
For a distinction between the controlled media of the west vs. Russian (I don’t know much about the Chinese media), I offer the following for your edification
In the west as regards Saddam’s WMD, all we heard about was lies intended to justify attacking an innocent nation and its people based on evidence that was lied about. When it turned out to be lies, the entire western media collectively yawned and just kept the lies coming. Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, Osama the mystery cadaver that our SEAL team heroically took down while the entire western media collectively lied about virtually every single thing mentioned without exception. And when all these vile and disgraceful lies were proven to be lies, they just tell more lies.
I could on for quite some time about the lies our controlled western media tell. Starting of course with all the other lies that were used to foment wars and their subsequent slaughter of innocent people by the millions. Lies and the consequent wars that now in retrospect, people should be dancing at the end of a rope for telling. But are rather there, still entrenched in front of the camera telling us all more lies every day.
Recent lies of course are the lies that are told about the events of 911. The lies and vile innuendoes that were repeated relentlessly about Saddam’s terrorism ties to 911. The lies about Afghanistan’s guilt for 911 and the lies that were told to get us into that catastrophic war. The lies about the Syrian gas attack. The lies about Benghazi and how that silly movie motivated the whole thing and caught them all off guard. Now the lies about how Putin shot down the plane.
All these lies are told with an amazing amount of uniformity from the entire length and breath of the west, from Alaska to New Zealand. It’s as if when the wall came down, it was because the Soviet Union had now come across the wall and had taken root over here in the former West- where truth was something of value, and turned into the new west, where lies are ubiquitous, and the only thing that seems certain, is that if Tony Blair, or George Bush, or David Cameron or Barak Obama are talking, then they are lying.
Vs. Putin who to my knowledge has not spoken one lie that I know of. (please enlighten me if you can). Who has not made one aggressive act against any of his neighbors or anyone else, but rather has been forced to scramble to the aid of his friends as international pieces of shit like John McCain and his tools like Saakashvili, (who now finds his pathetic self in Ukraine acting on behalf of the douche bag McCain once again)- start fires all over the place where Putin has to waste his time putting them out.
Putin is forced to be the only adult in the room when he’s confronted by the west today. He’s had to deal with McCain’s BS in South Ossetia just like today’s he’s having to do the same thing in Crimea. And he’s always honest about it (that’s why his people love him), while our politicians and media only tell lies on top of lies after lies and more lies. That’s why their mistrusted and hated universally.
Is that a little distinction for ya?
• Replies:
Maybe you could be forgiven for smugly replying with that same snide and hollow pretension your known for, even when you’re clearly wrong, because as I’m starting to see, sarcasm may be a bit too nuanced for you. (being as you like to pigeon hole us all into neat little groupings to assuage your narrow bigotries) But that other thing bouncing around here even replied to this post! So it has zero excuse for not seeing the glaring, dripping, over-the-top sarcasm.
Yet look at how is rollicks around here in its exuberant inanity.
Medications are used to treat the symptoms of mental disorders such as schizophrenia, depression, bipolar disorder (sometimes called manic-depressive illness), anxiety disorders, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Sometimes medications are used with other treatments such as psychotherapy. Psychotherapy alone may be the best treatment for a person, depending on the illness and its severity. Other times, psychotherapy is combined with medications.
This health topic includes general information on:
Types of medications used to treat mental disorders
Some of these medications have been available since the mid-1950s. These first-generation medications are also called conventional "typical" antipsychotics. Some of the more commonly used medications include:
Chlorpromazine
Haloperidol
Perphenazine
Fluphenazine,
In the 1990s, new antipsychotic medications were developed. These newer medications are called second generation, or "atypical" antipsychotics.
One of these medications was clozapine. It is a very effective medication that treats psychotic symptoms, hallucinations, and breaks with reality, such as when a person believes he or she is the president. But clozapine can sometimes cause a serious problem called agranulocytosis, which is a loss of the white blood cells that help a person fight infection. Therefore, people who take clozapine must get their white blood cell counts checked every week or two. This problem and the cost of blood tests make treatment with clozapine difficult for many people. Still, clozapine is potentially helpful for people who do not respond to other antipsychotic medications.
Other atypical antipsychotics were developed. All of them are effective. Agranulocytosis is less likely to occur with these medications than with clozapine, but it has been reported. These include:
Risperidone
Olanzapine
Quetiapine
Ziprasidone
Aripiprazole
Paliperidone
Lurasidone…
Of course you should not self-medicate but consult with a mental health professional -
I think that when it suits these guys to pretend that they don't get it (the "it" in this case being sarcasm or irony or whatever) then they don't get it -- i.e. wilful obtuseness.
I guess you don’t do sarcasm eh?
It really does not, if you look at my views carefully. If it has a slant, it is no more than that which characterises the opinions of the opposition.
Your speculation always seems to take on a particular slant… but then again you never announced (like some others) that your goal was seeking the truth!
Truth is an ephemeral concept
It really is. Just like reality is a fluid thing in a constant state of change. If you think about it, people’s perceptions are fragile as a consequence. Similar to someone or something is frozen like a snapshot in one’s memory and the surprise when meeting again after quite some time to note perhaps unanticipated changes. As well, institutions, even nations can suffer from a lack of necessary elasticity to adapt and become irrelevant or even brittle and break. As went Sparta…
Through contact with Beauty itself the human being becomes immortal and produces true virtue.
True religion consists in a virtuous life and recognition of Reason's operation in the universe.
Plato refused to acquiesce in the relativity of science and moral values.
Plato meant to establish ascertained truth.
I wish more commenters began their posts with these words... especially those who claim to be truth-seekers!
I am simply speculating.
Your speculation always seems to take on a particular slant... but then again you never announced (like some others) that your goal was seeking the truth!
The “dancing Israelis” probably caught the trickle down of information and after the 1st tower was hit, rushed around to film it.
Your speculation always seems to take on a particular slant… but then again you never announced (like some others) that your goal was seeking the truth!
It really does not, if you look at my views carefully. If it has a slant, it is no more than that which characterises the opinions of the opposition.
Truth is an ephemeral concept, especially as it applies to political subjects. Truth of the matter is, I agree with Ronald’s hypothesis : the goals of disparate groups align occasionally, which at times works for the betterment of the larger populace and at other times not as much.
For example I think that AIPAC et al. are seriously in the wrong on the Iran deal, and their interests are not aligning with the interests of any group other than Netanyahu and his coterie of deluded individuals.
It really is. Just like reality is a fluid thing in a constant state of change. If you think about it, people's perceptions are fragile as a consequence. Similar to someone or something is frozen like a snapshot in one's memory and the surprise when meeting again after quite some time to note perhaps unanticipated changes. As well, institutions, even nations can suffer from a lack of necessary elasticity to adapt and become irrelevant or even brittle and break. As went Sparta...
Truth is an ephemeral concept
That's strange... I could have swore you were opposed to this deal, as well.
For example I think that AIPAC et al. are seriously in the wrong on the Iran deal...
I am simply speculating.
I wish more commenters began their posts with these words… especially those who claim to be truth-seekers!
The “dancing Israelis” probably caught the trickle down of information and after the 1st tower was hit, rushed around to film it.
Your speculation always seems to take on a particular slant… but then again you never announced (like some others) that your goal was seeking the truth!
It really does not, if you look at my views carefully. If it has a slant, it is no more than that which characterises the opinions of the opposition.
Your speculation always seems to take on a particular slant… but then again you never announced (like some others) that your goal was seeking the truth!
I didn't forget this, especially now that (in your recent comment) you've made an assertion your religion is truth. Firstly, these are Pentagon and Department of State talking points. Secondly, it was Carla Del Ponte was promptly pushed out of her UN role on the Syria gas issue when she pointed the finger at the anti-Assad forces for false flag gas attacks early on (information developed further by independent investigators.) Thirdly, Putin shooting planes out of the sky is something even the phony, politicized, Dutch led investigation won't dare conclude. And fourthly, you consistently prop up the patently dishonest (classic troll technique) act represented in JR.
Let’s stop worrying about who killed who’, and go about discussing important things like why is Assad gassing his own people?! What the hell’s wrong with that guy? Why are we allowing Putin to shoot planes out of the sky?! Why isn’t Obama sending troops?!
I didn’t forget this, especially now that (in your recent comment) you’ve made an assertion your religion is truth.
You took the words right out of my mouth!
I thought you were going to write: "The “dancing Israelis” ... got wind of the attack and rushed to inform the appropriate authorities."
The “dancing Israelis” ... got wind of the attack and rushed from one spot to another, until they got a clear view.
I am simply speculating. I don’t think these characters were anywhere near the chain of command to inform the FBI (that was done much before….weeks and likely months) of intense chatter. The “dancing Israelis” probably caught the trickle down of information and after the 1st tower was hit, rushed around to film it.
I wish more commenters began their posts with these words... especially those who claim to be truth-seekers!
I am simply speculating.
Your speculation always seems to take on a particular slant... but then again you never announced (like some others) that your goal was seeking the truth!
The “dancing Israelis” probably caught the trickle down of information and after the 1st tower was hit, rushed around to film it.
you see no connection between the two events?
The “this” in my original sentence referred to the dancing Israelis, not to who killed whom.
Let’s stop worrying about who killed who’, and go about discussing important things like why is Assad gassing his own people?! What the hell’s wrong with that guy? Why are we allowing Putin to shoot planes out of the sky?! Why isn’t Obama sending troops?!
I didn’t forget this, especially now that (in your recent comment) you’ve made an assertion your religion is truth. Firstly, these are Pentagon and Department of State talking points. Secondly, it was Carla Del Ponte was promptly pushed out of her UN role on the Syria gas issue when she pointed the finger at the anti-Assad forces for false flag gas attacks early on (information developed further by independent investigators.) Thirdly, Putin shooting planes out of the sky is something even the phony, politicized, Dutch led investigation won’t dare conclude. And fourthly, you consistently prop up the patently dishonest (classic troll technique) act represented in JR.
Sayanara dude, I’m indulging myself in the thought of *JIDF* (again) or like minded folk, here’s a fine compilation of candidates:
http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/18/military-sock-puppets-nsa-trolls-cia-shills/
^
You took the words right out of my mouth!
I didn’t forget this, especially now that (in your recent comment) you’ve made an assertion your religion is truth.
Maybe you could be forgiven for smugly replying with that same snide and hollow pretension your known for, even when you're clearly wrong, because as I'm starting to see, sarcasm may be a bit too nuanced for you. (being as you like to pigeon hole us all into neat little groupings to assuage your narrow bigotries) But that other thing bouncing around here even replied to this post! So it has zero excuse for not seeing the glaring, dripping, over-the-top sarcasm.
•Rurik
July 18, 2015 at 2:51 pm GMT
@Wizard of OzOK then ..
Now if you were to make a nuanced distinction between the very latgely commercial – e.g. Murdoch, the propagandist as in anything in English from Russia or Beijing, the largely non-commercial and semi independent like the BBC and Guardian etc etc….that could be quite interesting.
For a distinction between the controlled media of the west vs. Russian (I don’t know much about the Chinese media), I offer the following for your edification
In the west as regards Saddam’s WMD, all we heard about was lies intended to justify attacking an innocent nation and its people based on evidence that was lied about. When it turned out to be lies, the entire western media collectively yawned and just kept the lies coming. Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, Osama the mystery cadaver that our SEAL team heroically took down while the entire western media collectively lied about virtually every single thing mentioned without exception. And when all these vile and disgraceful lies were proven to be lies, they just tell more lies.
I could on for quite some time about the lies our controlled western media tell. Starting of course with all the other lies that were used to foment wars and their subsequent slaughter of innocent people by the millions. Lies and the consequent wars that now in retrospect, people should be dancing at the end of a rope for telling. But are rather there, still entrenched in front of the camera telling us all more lies every day.
Recent lies of course are the lies that are told about the events of 911. The lies and vile innuendoes that were repeated relentlessly about Saddam’s terrorism ties to 911. The lies about Afghanistan’s guilt for 911 and the lies that were told to get us into that catastrophic war. The lies about the Syrian gas attack. The lies about Benghazi and how that silly movie motivated the whole thing and caught them all off guard. Now the lies about how Putin shot down the plane.
All these lies are told with an amazing amount of uniformity from the entire length and breath of the west, from Alaska to New Zealand. It’s as if when the wall came down, it was because the Soviet Union had now come across the wall and had taken root over here in the former West- where truth was something of value, and turned into the new west, where lies are ubiquitous, and the only thing that seems certain, is that if Tony Blair, or George Bush, or David Cameron or Barak Obama are talking, then they are lying.
Vs. Putin who to my knowledge has not spoken one lie that I know of. (please enlighten me if you can). Who has not made one aggressive act against any of his neighbors or anyone else, but rather has been forced to scramble to the aid of his friends as international pieces of shit like John McCain and his tools like Saakashvili, (who now finds his pathetic self in Ukraine acting on behalf of the douche bag McCain once again)- start fires all over the place where Putin has to waste his time putting them out.
Putin is forced to be the only adult in the room when he’s confronted by the west today. He’s had to deal with McCain’s BS in South Ossetia just like today’s he’s having to do the same thing in Crimea. And he’s always honest about it (that’s why his people love him), while our politicians and media only tell lies on top of lies after lies and more lies. That’s why their mistrusted and hated universally.
Is that a little distinction for ya?
• Replies: @geokat62
Going forward my best suggestion to us all is to first get people to question the official narrative. Tell them about building Seven. Use the Internet to spread the truth. Talk to people.
Yes, it would appear we have a false flag but haven’t solved the crime of ‘whodunnit.’ And if we had solved that, or if you believe you’ve solved it, returning to Sam’s question, where would you point to, going forward?
don't you mean presumptions by myself?
presumptions of yourself I would disagree with
of this I am absolutely certain, and that is why I am so in earnest. Perhaps in the process, others might benefit.
I think you misapprehend some things.
what I can tell you is that my religion has nothing to do with my ethnicity or gender or culture, per se. No. My religion can be reduced to one word, and that word is the truth. That is my religion. The search for the truth. Come what may..
When does pursuit of what you believe become a religion where worship is the point, more so than problem solving?
Indeed. "the unexamined life is a life not worth living'.
Wasn’t is Socrates exhorted Western civilization to “Know thyself” ? My take is, his is a miserably failed endeavor:
well, reading your latest (my favorite so far), I'm compelled to agree to some extent
We’re a long ways from on the same page, other than some superficial aspects
You excoriate Western Civilization for its specifically "denial of female intelligence", repressing the intelligence of half the population, and what you seem to be glaringly ignoring (repressing?) is that it is European culture that stands out heads and tails over all other major cultures for its manifest elevation of the female of the species to first-class citizen status. Women are treated by our culture and the culture of the west, (and Scandinavia in particular) as at least equals. They even dominate the universities in the West. Did you know that? Who but the west treats its women with such respect and even pedestalization? On which continent are they just as entitled to total equality under not just the law, but in every way imaginable? Africa? Asia? S. America?
With the cultural denial of female intelligence and consequent male mono-sexual narcissistic (or ego-self-image) mentality, the European based cultural ego’s logic is carried to insane collective extreme incapable of solving the problems it creates. With fully one half (an entire brain actually, we each have a ‘pair’ of brains) of intelligence repressed,
the parallel lines write these words: Self-Image, Fear and Ego.
I find it very good.
European science blindly pushes into unseen reality, and because there are no cultural reference points, their science cannot grasp consequence of going where there is no cultural understanding, not knowing how to navigate the unseen reality.
European culture that stands out heads and tails over all other major cultures for its manifest elevation of the female of the species to first-class citizen status
I’d merely note the 1st Spaniards in America were amazed at the (real) equality of the women in a culture without modern ‘glass ceilings’ and the Spaniards haven’t changed much:
http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/10/a-coward-named-machismo/
I’m convinced that no matter how savage or primitive or cruel (especially to his women) that the native American “Indian’ was to each other
I think you must have gotten your impressions from Mary Reinhart novels, you’ll find her work referenced here:
http://www.dickshovel.com/ind.html
^ it’s about the sort of horseshit you just spouted
And here’s a bit of authentic history pointiing to who the real savages are, including where (some ) contemporary Native Americans learned to beat women:
http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/10/06/modern-indian-society-2/
If you’re going to be a ‘renaissance man’ you should know what you’re talking about -
You read at the link where I provided several proposed possibilities and you've turned them into mere 'peripheral logistics' but each of those proposed scenarios poses a set of distinct problems, with possible overlap. Yes, it would appear we have a false flag but haven't solved the crime of 'whodunnit.' And if we had solved that, or if you believe you've solved it, returning to Sam's question, where would you point to, going forward? It's a valid question, which left unanswered, renders the entire conversation 'academic' .. Sam had asked:
Anyways, you seem just as convinced of 911 being a false flag as any of the rest of us. So I’m not sure what we’re debating, except the peripheral logistics
I'd have been very interested in a clear answer to the question (above) Sam posed to yourself
So given that the choir is already behind the notion, what precisely is the game plan going forward?
Wasn't is Socrates exhorted Western civilization to "Know thyself" ? My take is, his is a miserably failed endeavor:
My biggest fear, delving into this swamp, is that looking deep enough into the abyss, I think there are things about the human animal I’d really rather not know
Yes, it would appear we have a false flag but haven’t solved the crime of ‘whodunnit.’ And if we had solved that, or if you believe you’ve solved it, returning to Sam’s question, where would you point to, going forward?
Going forward my best suggestion to us all is to first get people to question the official narrative. Tell them about building Seven. Use the Internet to spread the truth. Talk to people.
Once there is a critical mass of people who doubt the lies we’re being force fed, then perhaps cracks will appear in the fabric of the iron matrix we’re all marinating in. People will shout down Larry Silverstein when he shows up somewhere. Demanding he answer some questions. I’ve already seen video of this kind of thing. When they can’t crawl out from under their heavily secure rocks they’re hiding under, and people all know when the next false flag happens, just who is responsible, then perhaps they’re be some hope for the future.
How’s that?
One of my favorite guys is the former director of studies at the US Army War College Dr. Alan Sabrosky.
Check out what he’s been saying and doing. That kind of thing.
presumptions of yourself I would disagree with
don’t you mean presumptions by myself?
probably not alas. I’m starting to suspect you do actually mean presumptions of myself. ; )
I think you misapprehend some things.
of this I am absolutely certain, and that is why I am so in earnest. Perhaps in the process, others might benefit.
When does pursuit of what you believe become a religion where worship is the point, more so than problem solving?
what I can tell you is that my religion has nothing to do with my ethnicity or gender or culture, per se. No. My religion can be reduced to one word, and that word is the truth. That is my religion. The search for the truth. Come what may..
Wasn’t is Socrates exhorted Western civilization to “Know thyself” ? My take is, his is a miserably failed endeavor:
Indeed. “the unexamined life is a life not worth living’.
and it wasn’t Western Civilization that he thus exhorted, but the individual, without which, there is no one to exhort
We’re a long ways from on the same page, other than some superficial aspects
well, reading your latest (my favorite so far), I’m compelled to agree to some extent
With the cultural denial of female intelligence and consequent male mono-sexual narcissistic (or ego-self-image) mentality, the European based cultural ego’s logic is carried to insane collective extreme incapable of solving the problems it creates. With fully one half (an entire brain actually, we each have a ‘pair’ of brains) of intelligence repressed,
You excoriate Western Civilization for its specifically “denial of female intelligence”, repressing the intelligence of half the population, and what you seem to be glaringly ignoring (repressing?) is that it is European culture that stands out heads and tails over all other major cultures for its manifest elevation of the female of the species to first-class citizen status. Women are treated by our culture and the culture of the west, (and Scandinavia in particular) as at least equals. They even dominate the universities in the West. Did you know that? Who but the west treats its women with such respect and even pedestalization? On which continent are they just as entitled to total equality under not just the law, but in every way imaginable? Africa? Asia? S. America?
I have to wonder if there’s just a hint of some bias going on here.
as for the other stuff
the parallel lines write these words: Self-Image, Fear and Ego.
European science blindly pushes into unseen reality, and because there are no cultural reference points, their science cannot grasp consequence of going where there is no cultural understanding, not knowing how to navigate the unseen reality.
I find it very good.
For myself, as I look around and see what the white man has done to this continent, and what he’s going to do, and why, I’m convinced that no matter how savage or primitive or cruel (especially to his women) that the native American “Indian’ was to each other, he sure did a better job of being a custodian of these lands and its denizens than what we’re doing to it. It is a monstrous sin what’s being done, and where it will lead, and why.
I'd merely note the 1st Spaniards in America were amazed at the (real) equality of the women in a culture without modern 'glass ceilings' and the Spaniards haven't changed much:
European culture that stands out heads and tails over all other major cultures for its manifest elevation of the female of the species to first-class citizen status
I think you must have gotten your impressions from Mary Reinhart novels, you'll find her work referenced here:
I’m convinced that no matter how savage or primitive or cruel (especially to his women) that the native American “Indian’ was to each other
Regarding non-violence, here is a comment I posted previously at UR:
I would say politically, temper tantrums are always disastrous, and like Gandhi or MLK, the preferred method should be non-violent resistance. Perhaps people, deep down somehow understand this.
“The only practical political antidote to violence is peaceful resistance.”
Prof. Michael Neumann completely demolishes this myth:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/02/08/nonviolence-its-histories-and-myths/
But non-violence, so often recommended to the Palestinians, has never ‘worked’ in any politically relevant sense of the word, and there is no reason to suppose it ever will. It has never, largely on its own strength, achieved the political objectives of those who employed it.
… In short, it is a myth that nonviolence brought all the victories it is supposed to have brought. It brought, in fact, none of them.
Are you suggesting the Palestinians ought to become more militant?
Personally, I’d be for anything that helped their cause.
The “dancing Israelis” … got wind of the attack and rushed from one spot to another, until they got a clear view.
I thought you were going to write: “The “dancing Israelis” … got wind of the attack and rushed to inform the appropriate authorities.”
I see it as ..
Could Cheney’s team all have been Israeli assets? It seems unlikely.
look at how Cheney's Halliburton cleaned up [pun intended] over there
competing elements whose interests often line up.
Anyways, you seem just as convinced of 911 being a false flag as any of the rest of us. So I’m not sure what we’re debating, except the peripheral logistics
You read at the link where I provided several proposed possibilities and you’ve turned them into mere ‘peripheral logistics’ but each of those proposed scenarios poses a set of distinct problems, with possible overlap. Yes, it would appear we have a false flag but haven’t solved the crime of ‘whodunnit.’ And if we had solved that, or if you believe you’ve solved it, returning to Sam’s question, where would you point to, going forward? It’s a valid question, which left unanswered, renders the entire conversation ‘academic’ .. Sam had asked:
So given that the choir is already behind the notion, what precisely is the game plan going forward?
I’d have been very interested in a clear answer to the question (above) Sam posed to yourself
Why I return to this thought is, I’ve seen presumptions of yourself I would disagree with but you would have us all assume we’re on the same page. We’re clearly not in my own estimation. I think you misapprehend some things. I don’t dispute everything I see, it’d be the task of Sisyphus. But you do easily make assumptions. Let me give you a tip; there is this thing called ethnocentric bias, to one degree or another, everyone suffers from it. In a lesser sense it can be called cultural bias and cultures can be pretty specific, such as ‘truther’ movement and the like.
If you cannot set that bias aside in yourself, your analytical abilities, no matter how incisive, will drift into what amounts to a faith-based initiative. When does pursuit of what you believe become a religion where worship is the point, more so than problem solving? If that had happened to you, would you even know it? An automatic inclination to reject the idea should be the 1st red flag you might actually suffer the problem.
More importantly in my view is, why does this s**t happen. You state:
My biggest fear, delving into this swamp, is that looking deep enough into the abyss, I think there are things about the human animal I’d really rather not know
Wasn’t is Socrates exhorted Western civilization to “Know thyself” ? My take is, his is a miserably failed endeavor:
http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/15/youve-got-apes/
We’re a long ways from on the same page, other than some superficial aspects
Going forward my best suggestion to us all is to first get people to question the official narrative. Tell them about building Seven. Use the Internet to spread the truth. Talk to people.
Yes, it would appear we have a false flag but haven’t solved the crime of ‘whodunnit.’ And if we had solved that, or if you believe you’ve solved it, returning to Sam’s question, where would you point to, going forward?
don't you mean presumptions by myself?
presumptions of yourself I would disagree with
of this I am absolutely certain, and that is why I am so in earnest. Perhaps in the process, others might benefit.
I think you misapprehend some things.
what I can tell you is that my religion has nothing to do with my ethnicity or gender or culture, per se. No. My religion can be reduced to one word, and that word is the truth. That is my religion. The search for the truth. Come what may..
When does pursuit of what you believe become a religion where worship is the point, more so than problem solving?
Indeed. "the unexamined life is a life not worth living'.
Wasn’t is Socrates exhorted Western civilization to “Know thyself” ? My take is, his is a miserably failed endeavor:
well, reading your latest (my favorite so far), I'm compelled to agree to some extent
We’re a long ways from on the same page, other than some superficial aspects
You excoriate Western Civilization for its specifically "denial of female intelligence", repressing the intelligence of half the population, and what you seem to be glaringly ignoring (repressing?) is that it is European culture that stands out heads and tails over all other major cultures for its manifest elevation of the female of the species to first-class citizen status. Women are treated by our culture and the culture of the west, (and Scandinavia in particular) as at least equals. They even dominate the universities in the West. Did you know that? Who but the west treats its women with such respect and even pedestalization? On which continent are they just as entitled to total equality under not just the law, but in every way imaginable? Africa? Asia? S. America?
With the cultural denial of female intelligence and consequent male mono-sexual narcissistic (or ego-self-image) mentality, the European based cultural ego’s logic is carried to insane collective extreme incapable of solving the problems it creates. With fully one half (an entire brain actually, we each have a ‘pair’ of brains) of intelligence repressed,
the parallel lines write these words: Self-Image, Fear and Ego.
I find it very good.
European science blindly pushes into unseen reality, and because there are no cultural reference points, their science cannot grasp consequence of going where there is no cultural understanding, not knowing how to navigate the unseen reality.
I don't. That's why I was eager to get a glimpse... to be able to confirm the truth.
And how do you know that it was Mossad that wrote that note and delivered the Anthrax?
I don’t. That’s why I was eager to get a glimpse… to be able to confirm the truth.
Righto. Well I’m off to get it for you. As well as those from the CIA, NSA, FBI and possibly AIPAC
And how do you know that it was Mossad that wrote that note and delivered the Anthrax?
I don’t. That’s why I was eager to get a glimpse… to be able to confirm the truth.
Righto. Well I'm off to get it for you. As well as those from the CIA, NSA, FBI and possibly AIPAC
I don’t. That’s why I was eager to get a glimpse… to be able to confirm the truth.
I certainly agree. I had written in another post:
On a broader observation of the present forum, which I find rather interesting in general, the constant and thoughtless use of “Hasbarist” etc by some, is actually detrimental to its ultimate success, I would hazard to opine. It would tend to cause the loss of curious and well-informed readership. I am utterly convinced that many writers here, who so obviously resent a contrary opinion, would abjectly flounder and fail, if placed in the view of a wider audience, which one supposes is the objective of the UR, in the first place.
9/11 is considerably more complex than any of the three examples you cite. You (different to JR's lunacy) read more into what I've said than is there, a more typical (and benign) sort of serving one's own argument. For some of my speculation (note I am specifying these are speculations) you may read some of my actual thoughts on the matter in part two (analysis section) of this piece:http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/^
911, is more akin to something like the attack on the USS Liberty and the subsequent cover up at the highest levels of our government and controlled media. Or the sinking of the Lusitania or the Gulf of Tonkin affair for instance
Could Cheney’s team all have been Israeli assets? It seems unlikely.
I see it as ..
competing elements whose interests often line up.
look at how Cheney’s Halliburton cleaned up [pun intended] over there
They’re all cut from the same cloth. Self-interest. It seems to be what defines a politician or huge corporation executive these days, (perhaps always has). A clinically psychopathic wiliness to disregard the suffering of any and all who can be tossed under the bus to advance their self-interest.
From Cheney to Rupert Murdoch to all the rest of the whores and liars and thieving murderers, not to mention traitors.
My biggest fear, delving into this swamp, is that looking deep enough into the abyss, I think there are things about the human animal I’d really rather not know.
Anyways, you seem just as convinced of 911 being a false flag as any of the rest of us. So I’m not sure what we’re debating, except the peripheral logistics.
Building Seven does not lie.
The BBC reported it coming down before it did.
The evidence of the crime was destroyed
they didn’t want any investigation
the flight data recorders are missing or ‘damaged’.. the videos from the Pentagon are missing or too hurtful for us to watch out of concerns for “national security”.
My only question is are the people who still doubt that it was a false flag too stupid or morally terrified at the truth or complicit somehow- if for no other reason than because they fear what the truth getting out would mean. I.e. some kind of foggy subconscious fear that the USA is not full of ‘exceptional’ people in the way they like to fool themselves. Or that the “Jews” will have something to answer for. Or some other deep fear. Perhaps that the Republicans (or Democrats) will suffer politically. I’m not too sure what motivates people these days.
You read at the link where I provided several proposed possibilities and you've turned them into mere 'peripheral logistics' but each of those proposed scenarios poses a set of distinct problems, with possible overlap. Yes, it would appear we have a false flag but haven't solved the crime of 'whodunnit.' And if we had solved that, or if you believe you've solved it, returning to Sam's question, where would you point to, going forward? It's a valid question, which left unanswered, renders the entire conversation 'academic' .. Sam had asked:
Anyways, you seem just as convinced of 911 being a false flag as any of the rest of us. So I’m not sure what we’re debating, except the peripheral logistics
I'd have been very interested in a clear answer to the question (above) Sam posed to yourself
So given that the choir is already behind the notion, what precisely is the game plan going forward?
Wasn't is Socrates exhorted Western civilization to "Know thyself" ? My take is, his is a miserably failed endeavor:
My biggest fear, delving into this swamp, is that looking deep enough into the abyss, I think there are things about the human animal I’d really rather not know
Speaking of the Anthrax attacks, here's a comment I previously posted here at UR:
Absolute foreknowledge of imminent Antrhrax attack by one disgraced microbiologist was also not discussed by media and was ignored by FBI.
Speaking of “Still a whodunit and nobody cares anymore,” whatever happened to the investigation into the Anthrax attacks?
The letters containing anthrax that were sent to Senators Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle, (both had been attempting to slow the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act), read:
09-11-01
YOU CAN NOT STOP US.
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX.
YOU DIE NOW.
ARE YOU AFRAID?
DEATH TO AMERICA.
DEATH TO ISRAEL.
ALLAH IS GREAT.
It’d be fascinating to get a glimpse of the Mossad’s “to do” list!
And how do you know that it was Mossad that wrote that note and delivered the Anthrax?
Or, was the last sentence a purely orthogonal wonderment?
I don't. That's why I was eager to get a glimpse... to be able to confirm the truth.
And how do you know that it was Mossad that wrote that note and delivered the Anthrax?
Hey JR, I don't and never have suspected that Freddie's problem was a lack of smarts. Shucks no. It isn't that he's dumb, but rather that he's a venal coward who likes his invites to Washington DC cocktail parties a little too much. He's like so many alas. I think of SCOTUS justice Roberts and the way people who thought they knew him were/are shocked at how willing he is to use the Constitution he swore an oath to uphold as toilet paper. These intelligent men who so many people count on are willing to betray everything for a little bit of vanity-assuaging, ego massaging 'acceptance' by people who can't stand them. It's a conundrum.
inform Freddy boy that the black kid in the video is 10x as smart as he is.
then we agree
Would that be understandable? I think so.
me either
Does that ever happen? Nope. Why? I dunno.
I would say politically, temper tantrums are always disastrous, and like Gandhi or MLK, the preferred method should be non-violent resistance. Perhaps people, deep down somehow understand this.
Regarding non-violence, here is a comment I posted previously at UR:
“The only practical political antidote to violence is peaceful resistance.”
Prof. Michael Neumann completely demolishes this myth:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/02/08/nonviolence-its-histories-and-myths/
But non-violence, so often recommended to the Palestinians, has never ‘worked’ in any politically relevant sense of the word, and there is no reason to suppose it ever will. It has never, largely on its own strength, achieved the political objectives of those who employed it.
… In short, it is a myth that nonviolence brought all the victories it is supposed to have brought. It brought, in fact, none of them.
Absolute foreknowledge of imminent Antrhrax attack by one disgraced microbiologist was also not discussed by media and was ignored by FBI.
Speaking of the Anthrax attacks, here’s a comment I previously posted here at UR:
Speaking of “Still a whodunit and nobody cares anymore,” whatever happened to the investigation into the Anthrax attacks?
The letters containing anthrax that were sent to Senators Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle, (both had been attempting to slow the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act), read:
09-11-01
YOU CAN NOT STOP US.
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX.
YOU DIE NOW.
ARE YOU AFRAID?
DEATH TO AMERICA.
DEATH TO ISRAEL.
ALLAH IS GREAT.It’d be fascinating to get a glimpse of the Mossad’s “to do” list!
On 910 one day earlier WASHINGTON TIMES ran a report gathered by SAMS ( US. army’s SCHOLL OF ADVANCED MILITARY STUDIES ) – ” Of the Mossad ,the Israeli intelligence service,the SAMS officer say: Wildcard,Rithless and cunning. Has capacity to target US forces and make it look like Palestinian/ Arab act”
Donald Rumsfield on 910 , one day before 911
to Pentagon ” the topic today is an adversary that poses a threat ,a serious threat,to the security of USA” . He asserts ” much subtler,more implacable, more dangerous than Soviet ever been ”
He informed” more deadly,” much closer to home ” and ” crushes new ideas” with ” brutal consistency and disrupts the defense of US”
( A Pretext to War James Bamford ) also quoted by Frank Rich in NYT
Culled from Commondreams.org
What Rumsfield knew ,what was he referring to?
But next day same Rumsfield jumped the guns by 911 feet and squarely blamed Iraq for being that deadly much closer implacable worse than Soviet anti US enemy.
It can all be explained as nothing but attempts to create a fear psychosis among Americans . 911 ,when happened , was used and directed to the same goal – create fear ,submission,hatred,animosity and impotence .
Well Sam, it’s true that it was the ease with which I was able to post to this site that opened the door to my participation here. Had I been forced to jump through hoops, I probably would have wandered off.
But then it seems to me that the wider ranging the viewpoints- the better the experience, (with the exception of comments like ‘Siri, are we there yet’ or “you catch on fast” which I put down to too much vino ; ). Anyways, I try to be respectful, I know I’m a guest on Ron’s site, and I think we’re all grateful for what he’s created. There are a lot of high powered dendrites and synapses firing about.
On a broader observation of the present forum, which I find rather interesting in general, the constant and thoughtless use of “Hasbarist” etc by some, is actually detrimental to its ultimate success, I would hazard to opine. It would tend to cause the loss of curious and well-informed readership. I am utterly convinced that many writers here, who so obviously resent a contrary opinion, would abjectly flounder and fail, if placed in the view of a wider audience, which one supposes is the objective of the UR, in the first place.
http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-meaning-of-the-us-saber-rattling-at-the-borders-of-russia/#comment-1021458
and per your 'Theory' ..
I somehow doubt there is a tight-knit cabal but rather suspect competing elements whose interests often line up.
911, is more akin to something like the attack on the USS Liberty and the subsequent cover up at the highest levels of our government and controlled media. Or the sinking of the Lusitania or the Gulf of Tonkin affair for instance
9/11 is considerably more complex than any of the three examples you cite. You (different to JR’s lunacy) read more into what I’ve said than is there, a more typical (and benign) sort of serving one’s own argument. For some of my speculation (note I am specifying these are speculations) you may read some of my actual thoughts on the matter in part two (analysis section) of this piece:
http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/
^
I see it as ..
Could Cheney’s team all have been Israeli assets? It seems unlikely.
look at how Cheney's Halliburton cleaned up [pun intended] over there
competing elements whose interests often line up.
Understandable, yeah. Well, let me tell you a story. There is a man who has only one son and that son is the light of his life, the thing he most loves in the world. That son signs up to join the military after 9/11 and gets killed. The father is devastated, and feels he has no more reason to live. He knows full well that his son was sent to war based on a pack of lies. So the father, so embittered and angry, goes off to Washington D.C. and figures he'll gun down every one of those Congress critters he can find.Would that be understandable? I think so. Does that ever happen? Nope. Why? I dunno. The question isn't whether something is "understandable" but whether it really does happen!!??What blew me away recently was that I saw that Lieutenant William Calley, you know of My Lai massacre fame -- that guy is still alive and living openly in Atlanta. You know, this guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley who is responsible for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_MassacreNot only has nobody taken their revenge on William Calley for this, but the guy just lives openly, never changed his name and nobody has done anything to him. It would be perfectly understandable if some angry Vietnamese showed up one day and dragged this guy off and administered some justice, but it never happened.Blowback does not really exist!"Blowback" is just some contrived explanation of these false flags to avoid facing the obvious, that they are false flags.Anyway, as regards this fear of telling the truth, the best comment on this is here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EKrXFcVyXEYou can tell Freddy Reed that the black man in the video is 100x smarter than he is and has 100x more integrity as well.
If we did get some blowback, it’d be understandable.
inform Freddy boy that the black kid in the video is 10x as smart as he is.
Hey JR, I don’t and never have suspected that Freddie’s problem was a lack of smarts. Shucks no. It isn’t that he’s dumb, but rather that he’s a venal coward who likes his invites to Washington DC cocktail parties a little too much. He’s like so many alas. I think of SCOTUS justice Roberts and the way people who thought they knew him were/are shocked at how willing he is to use the Constitution he swore an oath to uphold as toilet paper. These intelligent men who so many people count on are willing to betray everything for a little bit of vanity-assuaging, ego massaging ‘acceptance’ by people who can’t stand them. It’s a conundrum.
Would that be understandable? I think so.
then we agree
Does that ever happen? Nope. Why? I dunno.
me either
I can think of a lot of people who have every right to exact justice/retribution. The relatives at Waco for instance, or the people who lost loved ones when Clinton bombed Serbia. If one of them tried to hold Clinton to account, who could blame them?
All I can say is that for myself, even if I’ve been wronged, I try to forgive and move on. Life is precious and should not be tossed away if one can avoid doing so, but then when that guy shot the man who molested his son, everyone understood and even applauded his courage and humanity. I would say politically, temper tantrums are always disastrous, and like Gandhi or MLK, the preferred method should be non-violent resistance. Perhaps people, deep down somehow understand this.
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I remember watching that video of Farrakhan a while back and sending it to a few people I know. I was very impressed and have much more respect for the man, racist tho that he is. But he calls it straight. If Americans are that cowardly and pathetic, then we deserve what we get.
Regarding non-violence, here is a comment I posted previously at UR:
I would say politically, temper tantrums are always disastrous, and like Gandhi or MLK, the preferred method should be non-violent resistance. Perhaps people, deep down somehow understand this.
“The only practical political antidote to violence is peaceful resistance.”
Prof. Michael Neumann completely demolishes this myth:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/02/08/nonviolence-its-histories-and-myths/
But non-violence, so often recommended to the Palestinians, has never ‘worked’ in any politically relevant sense of the word, and there is no reason to suppose it ever will. It has never, largely on its own strength, achieved the political objectives of those who employed it.
… In short, it is a myth that nonviolence brought all the victories it is supposed to have brought. It brought, in fact, none of them.
Dancing Israelis were caught in broad daylight with ,maps,and multiple passports plus cash. ( 4700.00 dollars in a sock ) When asked,they told the police ” we are not your enemy. Arabs are your enemy”
They also said” we wanted to document the event”. Israeli gov admitted that they were spies . 2 of them were working for Mossad at that time.
Urban Moving company ‘s owner managed to escape from US and landed in Israel .
The releases of these 5 from detention facility was made possible by 2 prominent NewYork congressmen and negotiated by Alan Dershowitz .
The names of the dancing Israelis appeared as hits in searches of an FBI national intelligence database .
Despite the unanswered questions,they were allowed to leave . Despite the potential of the clues, this angle was not followed or discussed by NYT,CNN,WSJ or NY Post or Cabinet members or Presidential hopefuls or mentioned by 911 commission. ( Christopher Ketcham in COUNTERPUNCH ,2007 Vol 14,No 3/4 )
Absolute foreknowledge of imminent Antrhrax attack by one disgraced microbiologist was also not discussed by media and was ignored by FBI. ( Justin Raimondo has documented this extensively in antiwar.com) at a time when media was unearthing secrets of Saddam in the mix of sand,alcohol,immigration,drug abuse,and fantasy of the homeless person in dire need of money and a place to live in faraway Germany ,Prague,Jordan.
Speaking of the Anthrax attacks, here's a comment I previously posted here at UR:
Absolute foreknowledge of imminent Antrhrax attack by one disgraced microbiologist was also not discussed by media and was ignored by FBI.
Speaking of “Still a whodunit and nobody cares anymore,” whatever happened to the investigation into the Anthrax attacks?
The letters containing anthrax that were sent to Senators Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle, (both had been attempting to slow the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act), read:
09-11-01
YOU CAN NOT STOP US.
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX.
YOU DIE NOW.
ARE YOU AFRAID?
DEATH TO AMERICA.
DEATH TO ISRAEL.
ALLAH IS GREAT.
It’d be fascinating to get a glimpse of the Mossad’s “to do” list!
nothing more
wishing to engage in simply knowing the “truth”) . So what more?
Far be it for me to claim any fiefdom. That would be up to Ron Unz (e.g. he could institute a registration and login). I am simply curious re: opinions, but not to the extent of tolerating verbal filth.
If you look at the cryptic (attempts at sharp, rapier incisiveness, no doubt) by @Geokat62 (“something smells fishy”, “you catch on fast” , “holocaust and Holocaust” distinction), and @Jeff Albertson (“Siri: are we there yet?”), they are apparently claiming protective fiefdom.
Me, I am just an interested traveller.
Who's this Occam fellow and does he know you're playing with his razor? Careful, Sammy Boy, you might cut yourself!
Allow me to make an attempt to avail Occam’s Razor.
And your conclusion after no reading and no research is that the conclusions of the 9/11 commission report are correct because they are written down in the 9/11 commission report. The truth is what the U.S. government claims because they claim it.
Your conclusion after considerable reading and research on the matter is that 9/11 is the greatest, most daring, false flag operation
Sammy, this here is basically a discussion forum. The only thing you can do on a discussion forum is have a discussion. What can come from a discussion is that more people end up knowing the truth. That alone is not sufficient, but it is a necessary condition.
So given that the choir is already behind the notion, what precisely is the game plan going forward? (I believe that some here, are just pure and Socratic, don’t you know, wishing to engage in simply knowing the “truth”) . So what more?
And your conclusion after no reading and no research is that the conclusions of the 9/11 commission report are correct because they are written down in the 9/11 commission report. The truth is what the U.S. government claims because they claim it.
: )
to show up this nonsense about “blowback terrorism” which, as far as I can see, is a phenomenon that, to all intents an purposes, is nonexistent.
it does indeed seem rare, but then when you point that out, the first thing someone is going to do is try to discredit the only living American statesman of our time, Ron Paul for his use of the expression. (Which he and others are forced to use because it is universally considered beyond the pale to point out that 911 was actually a false flag).
This will I suspect change in time as more and more people come to see the treachery on 911 as self-evident. Or not.
I somehow doubt there is a tight-knit cabal but rather suspect competing elements whose interests often line up.
and per your ‘Theory’ ..
The phenomena you seem to be discussing is more akin to something like Zionism, and the way the people involved are not talking to each other, but simply understand the general goal, and behave thus. Sort of like Manifest Destiny of the Euro colonists of N. America a few centuries ago.
Whereas a more immediate example of a conspiracy theory of the type being discussed vis-a-vis this thread; 911, is more akin to something like the attack on the USS Liberty and the subsequent cover up at the highest levels of our government and controlled media. Or the sinking of the Lusitania or the Gulf of Tonkin affair for instance. Lies that permeate from the top down- and cow the sheeple into bowed-head obedience through the other, first kind of conspiracy which is a kind of collective cowardice in the face of the emperors flowing robes. A ‘conspiracy’ of ‘going along to get along’..
9/11 is considerably more complex than any of the three examples you cite. You (different to JR's lunacy) read more into what I've said than is there, a more typical (and benign) sort of serving one's own argument. For some of my speculation (note I am specifying these are speculations) you may read some of my actual thoughts on the matter in part two (analysis section) of this piece:http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/^
911, is more akin to something like the attack on the USS Liberty and the subsequent cover up at the highest levels of our government and controlled media. Or the sinking of the Lusitania or the Gulf of Tonkin affair for instance
That’s it. Yet there are those who speculate, rather believe (if you have followed this thread), that the “dancing Israelis” were somehow connected to the actual attacks, managed the 19 “patsies” into crashing into the WTC and then (after 2 months of questioning) released by FBI (on orders from the neocon bosses).
The Israeli connection imo is much simpler. Higher level Mossad (as well as Egyptian and British intel) did have a great deal of chatter data to conclude that some attacks on highly visible and populated targets were imminent, and communicated the same to the CIA and FBI. I am sure this information filtered down to the button men. The “dancing Israelis” were very likely low level Mossad, infiltrating the Patterson, NJ Arab hotspot, got wind of the attack and rushed from one spot to another, until they got a clear view. Their behaviour (which is basically hearsay), to put it mildly, was immature.
I thought you were going to write: "The “dancing Israelis” ... got wind of the attack and rushed to inform the appropriate authorities."
The “dancing Israelis” ... got wind of the attack and rushed from one spot to another, until they got a clear view.
wishing to engage in simply knowing the “truth”) . So what more?
nothing more
does engaging in the pursuit of truth = trying to shut Unz Review down ?
or are people trying to treat this place like their own little fiefdom where outside opinions and questions are verboten?
Interesting choice of spellings for the term "H(h)olocaust."
... the horrors of WWII and sixty million people in a holocaust of death and misery like the world had never known. Not to mention that other Holocaust that was all a consequence of the people who burned the Reichstag getting away with it.
why?
do you want for me to explain to you why one is capitalized and the other is not?
“The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation.
“”They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement,” said a senior Israeli security official.”
That’s what Mossad did. They threw sands at the US intelligence by making the association between Iraq and Al Qiada. This piece of I telligence will be highly uspect to US and it shouldn’t have been lost to Israel.
Obviously US didn’t buy the assessment and ignored the warning.
Like you said about Dr. Paul, there are places people dare not go. One of them today is the truth regarding 911.
Frankly, his discourse seems deliberately ambiguous!
Yes, of course I’m familiar with Fred Reed, and, yeah, as far as I can tell, he just doesn’t go there. If you find yourself in this conversation with him again, you should share this video:
and inform Freddy boy that the black kid in the video is 10x as smart as he is.
If we did get some blowback, it’d be understandable.
Understandable, yeah. Well, let me tell you a story. There is a man who has only one son and that son is the light of his life, the thing he most loves in the world. That son signs up to join the military after 9/11 and gets killed. The father is devastated, and feels he has no more reason to live. He knows full well that his son was sent to war based on a pack of lies. So the father, so embittered and angry, goes off to Washington D.C. and figures he’ll gun down every one of those Congress critters he can find.
Would that be understandable? I think so. Does that ever happen? Nope. Why? I dunno.
The question isn’t whether something is “understandable” but whether it really does happen!!??
What blew me away recently was that I saw that Lieutenant William Calley, you know of My Lai massacre fame — that guy is still alive and living openly in Atlanta. You know, this guy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley who is responsible for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
Not only has nobody taken their revenge on William Calley for this, but the guy just lives openly, never changed his name and nobody has done anything to him. It would be perfectly understandable if some angry Vietnamese showed up one day and dragged this guy off and administered some justice, but it never happened.
Blowback does not really exist!
“Blowback” is just some contrived explanation of these false flags to avoid facing the obvious, that they are false flags.
Anyway, as regards this fear of telling the truth, the best comment on this is here:
You can tell Freddy Reed that the black man in the video is 100x smarter than he is and has 100x more integrity as well.
Hey JR, I don't and never have suspected that Freddie's problem was a lack of smarts. Shucks no. It isn't that he's dumb, but rather that he's a venal coward who likes his invites to Washington DC cocktail parties a little too much. He's like so many alas. I think of SCOTUS justice Roberts and the way people who thought they knew him were/are shocked at how willing he is to use the Constitution he swore an oath to uphold as toilet paper. These intelligent men who so many people count on are willing to betray everything for a little bit of vanity-assuaging, ego massaging 'acceptance' by people who can't stand them. It's a conundrum.
inform Freddy boy that the black kid in the video is 10x as smart as he is.
then we agree
Would that be understandable? I think so.
me either
Does that ever happen? Nope. Why? I dunno.
Wow this page really got broadcasted out. I’ve been reading Ronald’s material for some time time now and this exchange is something. I personally buy what Ron has been saying and also checked out some links earlier put out. I mean this guy Jonathan Revusky is like like totally possessed by this. Man you’ve been duking it out with exact same stuff for a while. Its funny!
It's a mentally ill culture dude, you can't step anywhere without stepping in that shit. That said, there is this thing called 'degrees' or the extent to which any one individual suffers (get help, it's why there is an entire industry devoted to mental illness.)
If I and most of the rest of the people here suffer from mental illness, why are you choosing to participate in a discussion forum dominated by mentally ill individuals? Are you just some sort of masochist? Why would anybody do that?
Ron, did Sam Shama appoint you as his spokesman or what?
Out of idle curiosity (and also, just so we know what we’re dealing with here) do you believe Sammy’s story about the prestigious NYC psychiatrist friend of his who performed a long distance diagnosis of my mental condition?
you see no connection between the two events?
The “this” in my original sentence referred to the dancing Israelis, not to who killed whom.
… the horrors of WWII and sixty million people in a holocaust of death and misery like the world had never known. Not to mention that other Holocaust that was all a consequence of the people who burned the Reichstag getting away with it.
Interesting choice of spellings for the term “H(h)olocaust.”
Who's this Occam fellow and does he know you're playing with his razor? Careful, Sammy Boy, you might cut yourself!
Allow me to make an attempt to avail Occam’s Razor.
And your conclusion after no reading and no research is that the conclusions of the 9/11 commission report are correct because they are written down in the 9/11 commission report. The truth is what the U.S. government claims because they claim it.
Your conclusion after considerable reading and research on the matter is that 9/11 is the greatest, most daring, false flag operation
Sammy, this here is basically a discussion forum. The only thing you can do on a discussion forum is have a discussion. What can come from a discussion is that more people end up knowing the truth. That alone is not sufficient, but it is a necessary condition.
So given that the choir is already behind the notion, what precisely is the game plan going forward? (I believe that some here, are just pure and Socratic, don’t you know, wishing to engage in simply knowing the “truth”) . So what more?
If I and most of the rest of the people here suffer from mental illness, why are you choosing to participate in a discussion forum dominated by mentally ill individuals? Are you just some sort of masochist? Why would anybody do that?
It’s a mentally ill culture dude, you can’t step anywhere without stepping in that shit. That said, there is this thing called ‘degrees’ or the extent to which any one individual suffers (get help, it’s why there is an entire industry devoted to mental illness.)
Allow me to make an attempt to avail Occam’s Razor.
Who’s this Occam fellow and does he know you’re playing with his razor? Careful, Sammy Boy, you might cut yourself!
Your conclusion after considerable reading and research on the matter is that 9/11 is the greatest, most daring, false flag operation
And your conclusion after no reading and no research is that the conclusions of the 9/11 commission report are correct because they are written down in the 9/11 commission report. The truth is what the U.S. government claims because they claim it.
Certainly, when repeatedly asked for proof that the government story is true, you have been unable to provide anything that withstands the proverbial laugh test. You claimed that a video of a plane hitting a building is somehow proof that Bin Laden was behind it. There is a clear record of this kind of level of discourse on your part here.
So there is no proof for the official story. So, given that, why are the government, the media and self-styled experts on foreign policy like Mr. Giraldi here, pushing or at least going along with an explanation for the event for which there is absolutely no real proof?
Why? You have an answer for that? I guess not, except to insinuate that the people who don’t accept this and want to get at the truth must suffer some sort of mental problem.
So given that the choir is already behind the notion, what precisely is the game plan going forward? (I believe that some here, are just pure and Socratic, don’t you know, wishing to engage in simply knowing the “truth”) . So what more?
Sammy, this here is basically a discussion forum. The only thing you can do on a discussion forum is have a discussion. What can come from a discussion is that more people end up knowing the truth. That alone is not sufficient, but it is a necessary condition.
Open, honest discussion aimed at getting at the truth does not in and of itself achieve anything concrete, no, but it is still threatening enough to certain elements that there are organized trolling campaigns to try to disrupt such discussions — here and elsewhere.
I feel that my main contribution to this page has been to show up this nonsense about “blowback terrorism” which, as far as I can see, is a phenomenon that, to all intents an purposes, is nonexistent. I made that point in a response to the original author of the article and he simply did not deign to respond.
http://www.unz.com/article/turning-swords-into-plowshares/#comment-1020073
I did not expect him to respond, but I feel that it was important to (a) make these points and (b) to show clearly the fact that the author is unwilling and/or unable to respond to these points — which I think is also quite clear.
Regardless, if you think the discussion on this page is pointless, then the real question is why are you here, Sammy? If I and most of the rest of the people here suffer from mental illness, why are you choosing to participate in a discussion forum dominated by mentally ill individuals? Are you just some sort of masochist? Why would anybody do that?
It's a mentally ill culture dude, you can't step anywhere without stepping in that shit. That said, there is this thing called 'degrees' or the extent to which any one individual suffers (get help, it's why there is an entire industry devoted to mental illness.)
If I and most of the rest of the people here suffer from mental illness, why are you choosing to participate in a discussion forum dominated by mentally ill individuals? Are you just some sort of masochist? Why would anybody do that?
: )
And your conclusion after no reading and no research is that the conclusions of the 9/11 commission report are correct because they are written down in the 9/11 commission report. The truth is what the U.S. government claims because they claim it.
it does indeed seem rare, but then when you point that out, the first thing someone is going to do is try to discredit the only living American statesman of our time, Ron Paul for his use of the expression. (Which he and others are forced to use because it is universally considered beyond the pale to point out that 911 was actually a false flag).
to show up this nonsense about “blowback terrorism” which, as far as I can see, is a phenomenon that, to all intents an purposes, is nonexistent.
Observing the social psychology is interesting, where people sit on their hands as though wowed/frozen when watching a ‘whodunit’ suspense thriller while wearing 3D goggles.
My guess is, people will continue in their state of suspense, most not wishing to disturb social order, many more not knowing what to do, or what direction to take, until something unexpected breaks in a big way; with no way of predicting outcomes.
Something my cultural background tells me is, as soon as you’re absolutely certain you’ve got all the facts pinned down, you’re quite likely wrong. I somehow doubt there is a tight-knit cabal but rather suspect competing elements whose interests often line up.
Meanwhile, to take that immediate, preceding, thought forward, here is a ‘devil’s advocate’ piece:
http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/06/26/rons-conspiracy-theory/
^ “Ron’s Conspiracy Theory”
and per your 'Theory' ..
I somehow doubt there is a tight-knit cabal but rather suspect competing elements whose interests often line up.
Allow me to make an attempt to avail Occam’s Razor. Your conclusion after considerable reading and research on the matter is that 9/11 is the greatest, most daring, false flag operation carried out by the US neocon + Israeli + British cabal, with the aid of the Fed to continue its megalomaniacal pursuit of world domination. That is more our less it, correct? ( I am sure others feel similarly with small variations).
Obviously that is a very powerful set of actors to confront. If you think that any further convincing is required to tip the balance in the minds of the UR readership, you must surely know that you are preaching to the true believers. A few might be a bit cloak and daggerish about it, but we should put that down to a mild act in order to appear “balanced and serious”.
So given that the choir is already behind the notion, what precisely is the game plan going forward? (I believe that some here, are just pure and Socratic, don’t you know, wishing to engage in simply knowing the “truth”) . So what more?
Who's this Occam fellow and does he know you're playing with his razor? Careful, Sammy Boy, you might cut yourself!
Allow me to make an attempt to avail Occam’s Razor.
And your conclusion after no reading and no research is that the conclusions of the 9/11 commission report are correct because they are written down in the 9/11 commission report. The truth is what the U.S. government claims because they claim it.
Your conclusion after considerable reading and research on the matter is that 9/11 is the greatest, most daring, false flag operation
Sammy, this here is basically a discussion forum. The only thing you can do on a discussion forum is have a discussion. What can come from a discussion is that more people end up knowing the truth. That alone is not sufficient, but it is a necessary condition.
So given that the choir is already behind the notion, what precisely is the game plan going forward? (I believe that some here, are just pure and Socratic, don’t you know, wishing to engage in simply knowing the “truth”) . So what more?
nothing more
wishing to engage in simply knowing the “truth”) . So what more?
You see my query to you as a veiled attempt to shut the Unz Review down?
you see no connection between the two events?
The “this” in my original sentence referred to the dancing Israelis, not to who killed whom.
See my previous comments re newcomers.
Its no imaginary friend. Every bit of my post is true.
LOL! Yeah, and I guess, if I ask you for proof, you’ll point back to the original message where you claim this! Just like the 9/11 commission report is proof of the 9/11 commission report.
The psychiatrist friend is real and practices in NYC, with a degree from one of the very top U.S institutions.
So this prestigious ivy league educated shrink agreed pro bono to diagnose my mental health based on my writings on this site and maybe another one or two places.
Did you ask him to diagnose anybody else’s mental health pro bono? Only me? To what do I owe the honor?
How extraordinary…. And he did this valuable work for free! One clarification: did you offer to pay him his going rate, but he then declined?
Hold on! I’ve got it! You must have offered him some “blowback”!
C’mon, look, Sam. Everybody here knows that you just made this story up. And what’s further incredible is that surely you know that everybody knows you’re lying, yet you just keep gamely on with this! Why would anybody do this? Okay, it’s just a virtual forum, so you don’t have to show your face, but still…. this is so demeaning, isn’t it? Why continue with this? Why not just walk away?
The "this" in my original sentence referred to the dancing Israelis, not to who killed whom. I think my previous posts speak for themselves on the latter topic.
And the first place to start, is by caring ‘who killed who’.
The “this” in my original sentence referred to the dancing Israelis, not to who killed whom.
you see no connection between the two events?
the ‘dancing Israelis’ and ‘who killed who’(m)?
The only false flag that comes to mind that was used in just such a way as 911 was the burning of the Reichstag which was the spark that led to Hitler’s consolidation of power over Germany and eventually the horrors of WWII and sixty million people in a holocaust of death and misery like the world had never known. Not to mention that other Holocaust that was all a consequence of the people who burned the Reichstag getting away with it.
If the real perpetrators of the Reichstag fire could have been caught and punished and WWII could have been prevented, I feel that would have been a worthy effort, no?
So too with 911. If the dancing Israelis are proof of Israeli participation on 911 at the highest levels of its government, and upon further examination, proof of elements in our own government’s complicity on that day, then if that knowledge could be used to bring the guilty to justice and prevent yet another banker’s world war, like they’re busy trying to foment as we speak, with their efforts in the Ukraine, don’t you think it makes sense to at least pursue the leads?
You keep telling me that you’ve already answered all these questions, but then again, as you point out, I’m a newcomer here. So why not just humor me with your explanations once again, and if there’s a wandering soul out there who stumbles across this oubliette and out of curiosity peers in, they too will be able to drink of the fruit of your insights…
Or should we all just consider the matter of 911 settled?
Are we just wasting our time pursuing chimeras. The people who died on 911 are dead. (just like the guys on the USS Liberty, or the million or so innocent Iraqis, or Libyans…) Nothing we do can bring them back. Let’s stop worrying about who killed who’, and go about discussing important things like why is Assad gassing his own people?! What the hell’s wrong with that guy? Why are we allowing Putin to shoot planes out of the sky?! Why isn’t Obama sending troops?!
Interesting choice of spellings for the term "H(h)olocaust."
... the horrors of WWII and sixty million people in a holocaust of death and misery like the world had never known. Not to mention that other Holocaust that was all a consequence of the people who burned the Reichstag getting away with it.
I didn't forget this, especially now that (in your recent comment) you've made an assertion your religion is truth. Firstly, these are Pentagon and Department of State talking points. Secondly, it was Carla Del Ponte was promptly pushed out of her UN role on the Syria gas issue when she pointed the finger at the anti-Assad forces for false flag gas attacks early on (information developed further by independent investigators.) Thirdly, Putin shooting planes out of the sky is something even the phony, politicized, Dutch led investigation won't dare conclude. And fourthly, you consistently prop up the patently dishonest (classic troll technique) act represented in JR.
Let’s stop worrying about who killed who’, and go about discussing important things like why is Assad gassing his own people?! What the hell’s wrong with that guy? Why are we allowing Putin to shoot planes out of the sky?! Why isn’t Obama sending troops?!
would your sentiments on the subject tend to mirror the gentleman in the video?
Not sure why we’re rehashing this.
And the first place to start, is by caring ‘who killed who’.
The “this” in my original sentence referred to the dancing Israelis, not to who killed whom.
I think my previous posts speak for themselves on the latter topic.
you see no connection between the two events?
The “this” in my original sentence referred to the dancing Israelis, not to who killed whom.
of the already in progress …
they had their equipment set up before the first plane hit
“document the event” as in a news scoop.
they weren’t journalists, they were Mossad agents
The israelis had info re: possible attacks which they shared with the Americans.
Some Americans. The rest of the Americans, like the ones working in the second tower were told to return to their work stations after the first plane hit. They were all told there was no danger and to return to work. Lucky Larry wanted as many of his tenants, (the unimportant ones anyways who had not been warned) to be slaughtered in the conflagration. It was “very good”, as Bibi put it, that so many died on that day. The more deaths, the more outrage at Israel’s enemies.
So yes, some Americans were warned. Giuliani, Ashcroft.. many others. And then again some specifically- were not warned.