Good piece.
One minor correction to this part:
“Every freshman class in Congress, plus spouses, is automatically whisked off for a deluxe all expenses paid propaganda trip to Israel, which is funded by an affiliate of the American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC).”
It’s actually the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, for what it’s worth.
And of course, although they’re obviously acting as a foreign agent, AIPAC is not registered as such. The last people who tried to require the group (under their previous name, the American Zionist Council) to register as a foreign agent were JFK and RFK.
new jewish theme park slated for jerusalem; the mega-jew corp. announced plans for a gigantic theme park in jerusalem; including, many casinos, number games, courses on how to fleece the goyim, and most spectacular; a booth using the latest electro-magnetic wave-length, to make visible the divine jewish soul; amazing !, get your tickets now; fun for the whole family, ……….
Nordau maintained that Jews had been degenerated by a number of things:
"The means of thinking about the world by racially determined means permeates Degeneration [Nordau's major book -- a best seller in Europe]. While illustrating the evolution of the pre-Raphaelite67 movement in England, Nordau introduces the racial underpinnings of his social analysis: “the Anglo-Saxon race is by nature healthy and strong-minded. It has therefore a high degree, that strong desire for knowledge, which is peculiar to normally constituted persons.” These racial assumption were said off-hand by Nordau, illustrating how central racial discourse was to his day.
Good work; nice find. Thanks to you and Jacques Sheete for taking interest in Max Nordau.
Reading even the first 20-some pages of Mr. Umland’s thesis, I see further leads going off in all directions, so it’s fertile ground for someone with the time and energy to dig more deeply into the tangled roots of Zionism, but I’ve seen enough already, at least for the time being.
The concept of physical and moral degeneration was fairly widespread by the end of the 19th century, and gave rise–among other things— to various fitness, fresh air, and back-to-nature movements, many with a nationalistic flavor that was additionally not without military utility. For example, the late 19th century German Lebensreform movement had counterparts elsewhere, even some “nature boys” who settled in California, and would show up again later.
Nordau’s most famous work was not Degeneration, but Conventional Lies of Our Civilization, 1883. From Chapter 3:
it leads him to criticise and harshly condemn the varying phases of our modern social life…called by some nervousness, by others pessimism, and by a third class, skepticism. The multiplicity of names describes but one and the same disease…Literature and art, philosophy and positive knowledge, politics and economy, all are infected by its taint.
We discover … in the literature of the latter part of the last century … the upper classes were following an uninterrupted round of corrupt gayeties, making their lives one prolonged orgy while the self-sufficient bourgeoisie saw nothing beyond the length of their own noses and were stupidly content with the way things were going,
of a sudden Jean Jacques Rousseau lifted his voice in a ringing appeal for deliverance from his surroundings which yet had so many attractions … His cry awoke an echo in the hearts of all his contemporaries…a proof that Rousseau’s longings pre-existed unconsciously in those around him.
Rakes and Philistines alike began to cultivate their yearnings for primeval nature and life in the wilderness;
(my edits)
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Conventional_Lies_of_our_Civilization
With their typical skill with language and gift for gab, Herzl and Nordau were able to seize upon and manipulate popular sentiments, especially that unique late 19th century Fin de siècle hysteria, for their own immediate purposes, and personal ambition, while at the same funneling ancient, but traditional Jewish sentiments and longings for a homeland into a vital mass that could be forged into political power. Others would capitalize on their success, and erect the Zionist monolith on the foundation laid down by Hertz and Nordau.
Uganda? Just a stepping stone.
Industrialization, technological advances, and the rapid and accelerating pace of modernization during the course of the 19th century created new social conditions, and ills, that spawned generations of reactionaries, revolutionaries, and a hodge-podge of opportunists, some sincere, others masquerading as reformers, socialists, naturalists, spiritualists, fresh air enthusiasts, escapists, anarchists, utopians, snake-oil salesmen, as well as a host of straight-out crackpots peddling miracle cures for every disease, even Neurasthenia., known more colorfully in recent years as “Industrial Disease,” which also causes global warming!
Disease and fix. Too often they arrive in tandem like a matched set.
Fair enough. Bye.
The problem with Muslims is that they want to spread everywhere regardless of the big picture.
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Can you see the big picture?
Actually, I have the opinion that the picture that I see is quite large. Whether that picture is accurate or not is a question.
Anyway, in this “big” picture, I see Muslims almost everywhere I look.
You’re obviously a Muslim. The problem with Muslims is that they want to spread everywhere regardless of the big picture. The Jews are using that weakness to “offer” you white lands (without people?!?) knowing that you’ll bite. The plan is based on an age-old D&C principle but the times have changed and we’re witnessing the dawn of a new age. The awakened whites will help you to remove a common enemy – if you can see the big picture.
Can you see the big picture?
Palestine: –>You know that “Land without People for a People without a Land”.
Some of the early immigrants actually believed this.
http://www.jewishmag.com/180mag/max_nordau/max_nordau.htm
Herzl desperately needed Nordau. He needed legitimization. Herzl needed Nordau's name. He needed Nordau's endorsement, influence and reputation for Zionism. Herzl and Zionism's need for legitimization did not end with Nordau. It was only the beginning, the first vital victory.
Nordau saw in Herzl and through Zionism how to save the Jews. Nordau saw that the Jewish twin diseases, Neurasthenia and anti-Semitism, sinking Jews into degeneration and destruction, could be averted. They could be reversed, even cured through Zionism.
Herzl's first convert would be more vital to Zionism than Herzl ever dreamed. He was the critical voice, the fire eater for Zionism that Herzl could never present himself publically to be. It was Nordau's political connections that were vital to the success of Zionism. After World War I, when the treaty of Versailles was being negotiated and the later San Remo treaty was accepted by the League of Nations, it was Nordau's influence that showed. Prime Minister Clemenceau and others had become strong proponents of the Zionist cause because they had known and were converted by Nordau, not Herzl.
Sparkon, You may gain more insights into Nordau’s thinking from this paper, an undergraduate thesis at University of Colorado:
Max Nordau and the Making of Racial Zionism [by] Joshua Umland
Nordau was a white (Anglo-Saxon) supremacist! —
“The means of thinking about the world by racially determined means permeates Degeneration [Nordau’s major book — a best seller in Europe]. While illustrating the evolution of the pre-Raphaelite67 movement in England, Nordau introduces the racial underpinnings of his social analysis: “the Anglo-Saxon race is by nature healthy and strong-minded. It has therefore a high degree, that strong desire for knowledge, which is peculiar to normally constituted persons.” These racial assumption were said off-hand by Nordau, illustrating how central racial discourse was to his day.
Nordau maintained that Jews had been degenerated by a number of things:
-the radically changed world of phones, trains, telegraph, etc. that made life faster and more hectic, imposing a degenerative effect;
-the lack of opportunity that forced Jews into impoverished, crowded conditions that debilitated them physically as well as mentally.
His solution was the regeneration of Jews by creating “muscle Jews” — mimicking the YMCA & establishing gyms, sports, and encouraging disciplined physical activity to improve the body, inspired by bible stories of their brave and brawny forebears. In addition, Herzl’s Der Judenstaat version of zionism would ensure that Jews were never again at the mercy of those who would consign Jews to impoverished circumstances. They would be able to defend themselves.
(my edits)
it leads him to criticise and harshly condemn the varying phases of our modern social life...called by some nervousness, by others pessimism, and by a third class, skepticism. The multiplicity of names describes but one and the same disease...Literature and art, philosophy and positive knowledge, politics and economy, all are infected by its taint.
We discover ... in the literature of the latter part of the last century ... the upper classes were following an uninterrupted round of corrupt gayeties, making their lives one prolonged orgy while the self-sufficient bourgeoisie saw nothing beyond the length of their own noses and were stupidly content with the way things were going,
of a sudden Jean Jacques Rousseau lifted his voice in a ringing appeal for deliverance from his surroundings which yet had so many attractions ... His cry awoke an echo in the hearts of all his contemporaries...a proof that Rousseau's longings pre-existed unconsciously in those around him.
Rakes and Philistines alike began to cultivate their yearnings for primeval nature and life in the wilderness;
Fighting for their life since the beginning? Funny, I think that’s how the Palestinians have felt ever since the Israelis started ethnic cleansing Palestine.
Palestine: –>You know that “Land without People for a People without a Land”. Arabs being not people in this formulation.
No one can prove that Israel is an alley of any country of the world.
Good for you Chuck !!!!
Many thanks, Sparkon. Now I have even more homework to do!
It looks as if Zionism’s early idealism has been corrupted by Israel into the opposite of what Herzl and Nordau seemed to have desired.
To defend the freedom of the individual against State oppression and the mechanical routine of the Philistine
Another revolution co-opted. Used and perverted for the gangster’s own ends. Their dreams are being mocked, as usual, by the sadistic, money bag monsters.
Along these lines I say that loss of the two state option for the Palestinians could be a blessing in disguise since the state never has been and never will be anything more than a tool of the rulers. It’s a false god; a wretched, perverted “savior.”
IOW< if the Palestinians gained a state, it would soon be used against them just as the USA was neither designed nor intended to benefit anyone but the rich and the same goes for Israel and all the rest.
http://www.jewishmag.com/180mag/max_nordau/max_nordau.htm
Herzl desperately needed Nordau. He needed legitimization. Herzl needed Nordau's name. He needed Nordau's endorsement, influence and reputation for Zionism. Herzl and Zionism's need for legitimization did not end with Nordau. It was only the beginning, the first vital victory.
Nordau saw in Herzl and through Zionism how to save the Jews. Nordau saw that the Jewish twin diseases, Neurasthenia and anti-Semitism, sinking Jews into degeneration and destruction, could be averted. They could be reversed, even cured through Zionism.
Herzl's first convert would be more vital to Zionism than Herzl ever dreamed. He was the critical voice, the fire eater for Zionism that Herzl could never present himself publically to be. It was Nordau's political connections that were vital to the success of Zionism. After World War I, when the treaty of Versailles was being negotiated and the later San Remo treaty was accepted by the League of Nations, it was Nordau's influence that showed. Prime Minister Clemenceau and others had become strong proponents of the Zionist cause because they had known and were converted by Nordau, not Herzl.
great find, Sparkon, thanks.
(you owe me 3 hours’ sleep)
http://www.jewishmag.com/180mag/max_nordau/max_nordau.htm
Herzl desperately needed Nordau. He needed legitimization. Herzl needed Nordau's name. He needed Nordau's endorsement, influence and reputation for Zionism. Herzl and Zionism's need for legitimization did not end with Nordau. It was only the beginning, the first vital victory.
Nordau saw in Herzl and through Zionism how to save the Jews. Nordau saw that the Jewish twin diseases, Neurasthenia and anti-Semitism, sinking Jews into degeneration and destruction, could be averted. They could be reversed, even cured through Zionism.
Herzl's first convert would be more vital to Zionism than Herzl ever dreamed. He was the critical voice, the fire eater for Zionism that Herzl could never present himself publically to be. It was Nordau's political connections that were vital to the success of Zionism. After World War I, when the treaty of Versailles was being negotiated and the later San Remo treaty was accepted by the League of Nations, it was Nordau's influence that showed. Prime Minister Clemenceau and others had become strong proponents of the Zionist cause because they had known and were converted by Nordau, not Herzl.
Prime Minister Clemenceau and others had become strong proponents of the Zionist cause because they had known and were converted by Nordau, not Herzl.
Clemenceau was known to be a super ass and a pain in one during the negotiations but I never knew he was pro-Zionist. Figures. Now I have some more homework to do!!
Thanks!
Is there another way to view that video? I can’t find it on Atzmon’s website.
Let me see if I can determine whassup.
Lots more at the link. Amazing stuff.Confirms what everyone with a brain already suspected. I do wish the Izzy firsters would get on with the program. It must hurt to be so smart yet so slow to learn.
Pre Zionist writings by Herzl suggest that the promising Viennese Journalist was convinced that Anti-Semitism was actually good for the Jews : He thought that it would mount pressure that would lead Jews eventually to “adapt” and transform into Goyim by means of conversion (5:49).
Later, when Herzl, changed his mind, and decided that Zionism was the ‘way forward’, he still thought that anti Semitism was a good thing, since it could only push Jews more urgently towards establishing the future Jewish State.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-the-anti-semitic-side-of-zionism-must-watch.html
To better understand Zionism, and its roots, please look also at Simcha Maximilian Sudfeld, better known to the world as Dr. Max Nordau.
Herzl desperately needed Nordau. He needed legitimization. Herzl needed Nordau’s name. He needed Nordau’s endorsement, influence and reputation for Zionism. Herzl and Zionism’s need for legitimization did not end with Nordau. It was only the beginning, the first vital victory.
Nordau saw in Herzl and through Zionism how to save the Jews. Nordau saw that the Jewish twin diseases, Neurasthenia and anti-Semitism, sinking Jews into degeneration and destruction, could be averted. They could be reversed, even cured through Zionism.
Herzl’s first convert would be more vital to Zionism than Herzl ever dreamed. He was the critical voice, the fire eater for Zionism that Herzl could never present himself publically to be. It was Nordau’s political connections that were vital to the success of Zionism. After World War I, when the treaty of Versailles was being negotiated and the later San Remo treaty was accepted by the League of Nations, it was Nordau’s influence that showed. Prime Minister Clemenceau and others had become strong proponents of the Zionist cause because they had known and were converted by Nordau, not Herzl.
http://www.jewishmag.com/180mag/max_nordau/max_nordau.htm
Of course, being an article in Jewish Magazine, Jerry Klinger’s article about Max Nordau ends with the obligatory note about the Holocaust, but nothing more about the other shrunken heads.
Clemenceau was known to be a super ass and a pain in one during the negotiations but I never knew he was pro-Zionist. Figures. Now I have some more homework to do!!
Prime Minister Clemenceau and others had become strong proponents of the Zionist cause because they had known and were converted by Nordau, not Herzl.
Nordau maintained that Jews had been degenerated by a number of things:
"The means of thinking about the world by racially determined means permeates Degeneration [Nordau's major book -- a best seller in Europe]. While illustrating the evolution of the pre-Raphaelite67 movement in England, Nordau introduces the racial underpinnings of his social analysis: “the Anglo-Saxon race is by nature healthy and strong-minded. It has therefore a high degree, that strong desire for knowledge, which is peculiar to normally constituted persons.” These racial assumption were said off-hand by Nordau, illustrating how central racial discourse was to his day.
Lots more at the link. Amazing stuff.Confirms what everyone with a brain already suspected. I do wish the Izzy firsters would get on with the program. It must hurt to be so smart yet so slow to learn.
Pre Zionist writings by Herzl suggest that the promising Viennese Journalist was convinced that Anti-Semitism was actually good for the Jews : He thought that it would mount pressure that would lead Jews eventually to “adapt” and transform into Goyim by means of conversion (5:49).
Later, when Herzl, changed his mind, and decided that Zionism was the ‘way forward’, he still thought that anti Semitism was a good thing, since it could only push Jews more urgently towards establishing the future Jewish State.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-the-anti-semitic-side-of-zionism-must-watch.html
Hey jacques sheete ,
Is there another way to view that video? I can’t find it on Atzmon’s website.
Let me see if I can determine whassup.
Is there another way to view that video? I can’t find it on Atzmon’s website.
Moderation from Trump & co is rather unlikely.
Moderation in all things save moderation.
Lots more at the link. Amazing stuff.Confirms what everyone with a brain already suspected. I do wish the Izzy firsters would get on with the program. It must hurt to be so smart yet so slow to learn.
Pre Zionist writings by Herzl suggest that the promising Viennese Journalist was convinced that Anti-Semitism was actually good for the Jews : He thought that it would mount pressure that would lead Jews eventually to “adapt” and transform into Goyim by means of conversion (5:49).
Later, when Herzl, changed his mind, and decided that Zionism was the ‘way forward’, he still thought that anti Semitism was a good thing, since it could only push Jews more urgently towards establishing the future Jewish State.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-the-anti-semitic-side-of-zionism-must-watch.html
The first thing I read about Herzl recounted that his sister (and only sibling, iirc) died at a very young age. The loss devastated the family– mother, father and Theodor, who was still in his teens. So distraught was the family that they moved from the city where the child died to another place, The biographer emphasized that Herzl was deeply destabilized by this experience.
Atzmon calls Herzl a “promising journalist,” but the biographer related that Herzl struggled to develop meaningful work and was a middling writer. Herzl may have been thinking of his own experience when he wrote in Der Judenstaat:
At the same time we continue to produce an abundance of mediocre intellects who find no outlet, and this endangers our social position as much as does our increasing wealth. Educated Jews without means are now rapidly becoming Socialists http://www.mideastweb.org/jewishstate.pdf
echo : Der Judenstaat contains a lot of surprising information.
No sense trying to reason with a bunch of nut cases…Here’s evidence.:
Pre Zionist writings by Herzl suggest that the promising Viennese Journalist was convinced that Anti-Semitism was actually good for the Jews : He thought that it would mount pressure that would lead Jews eventually to “adapt” and transform into Goyim by means of conversion (5:49).
Later, when Herzl, changed his mind, and decided that Zionism was the ‘way forward’, he still thought that anti Semitism was a good thing, since it could only push Jews more urgently towards establishing the future Jewish State.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-the-anti-semitic-side-of-zionism-must-watch.html
Lots more at the link. Amazing stuff.Confirms what everyone with a brain already suspected. I do wish the Izzy firsters would get on with the program. It must hurt to be so smart yet so slow to learn.
echo : Der Judenstaat contains a lot of surprising information.
At the same time we continue to produce an abundance of mediocre intellects who find no outlet, and this endangers our social position as much as does our increasing wealth. Educated Jews without means are now rapidly becoming Socialists http://www.mideastweb.org/jewishstate.pdf
http://www.jewishmag.com/180mag/max_nordau/max_nordau.htm
Herzl desperately needed Nordau. He needed legitimization. Herzl needed Nordau's name. He needed Nordau's endorsement, influence and reputation for Zionism. Herzl and Zionism's need for legitimization did not end with Nordau. It was only the beginning, the first vital victory.
Nordau saw in Herzl and through Zionism how to save the Jews. Nordau saw that the Jewish twin diseases, Neurasthenia and anti-Semitism, sinking Jews into degeneration and destruction, could be averted. They could be reversed, even cured through Zionism.
Herzl's first convert would be more vital to Zionism than Herzl ever dreamed. He was the critical voice, the fire eater for Zionism that Herzl could never present himself publically to be. It was Nordau's political connections that were vital to the success of Zionism. After World War I, when the treaty of Versailles was being negotiated and the later San Remo treaty was accepted by the League of Nations, it was Nordau's influence that showed. Prime Minister Clemenceau and others had become strong proponents of the Zionist cause because they had known and were converted by Nordau, not Herzl.
Sorry, I misread. Moderation from Trump & co is rather unlikely. For one, I don’t know what is to be gained from moving our embassy to Jerusalem [other than of course fulfilling a wrongheaded campaign promise]. Trump cannot change at his age his current behaviour which is not in the least bit different from the antics he used to pull while in Manhattan, engaged in drama with the media. Should Trump resign in frustration [not likely] I am at a loss to name my preferred candidate. I don’t think Pence is a warmonger, but I have no idea what his economic leanings are.
No, no. I pray for his moderation, not ouster. Check what I wrote, please.
On the [our ME group] thread, (which started with someone linking Kushner’s non-disclosure of support for illegal settlements), someone posted a prayer that Trump be out by Jan.20. I had replied that wasn’t such a useful (cool) idea, opined a bit about Pence, Ryan, and Hillary, and asked just what was the gameplan. This might have gone under the radar, but a new party responded to support me, with a couple more emails ensuing. We were declared OT and “tedious” – meaning, I infer, a challenge to their view.
On Trump’s failings, I agree with you, as much as I’m able (again, I’m no economics wonk). Trump stinks, but, just as I was even less a fan of HRC, I’m opposed to jumping from frying pan to fire, i.e. Pence, Ryan, or anarchy.
Robin,
I did reckon you were serious, thus my query and this, your subsequent response does clear up matters.
Yes, Mike sounds enigmatic indeed; his choice of lifestyle and dwelling which he mentions in point of fact, are consistent with the disaster he predicts, all direct consequences of the social and economic choices adopted by the group he calls neo-Vikings [as an aside, you may find it interesting that I carry 20% of my DNA from Vikings apparently!!] . I happen to agree with his keen observation that Jewish texts, [principally the Tanakh and Talmud, as well as Zohar], are accounts of life as lived by a people over the ages, together with the analyses and commentary undertaken by Rabbis, sometimes cryptic, more often expansive even rambling, yet scarcely light on details. In short, we’ve attempted to learn the lessons and I do believe not too shabbily. Opinions differ on this.
I am a bit puzzled to hear about the recent censor imposed by your Christian ME policy group. Are they not aware of your beliefs? What causes you to pray for Trump’s ouster? Not that I oppose the notion, given the tax policy which is mostly a gift to corporations and billionaires and, which while it might have a positive effect on GDP will almost surely reduce Gross National internal income, as the new internal earnings from foreign capital will naturally accrue to those foreign sources, not Americans. If he cannot attend to the economic needs of the common citizen, what else can we depend on him for?
I agree with you about Hillary entirely.
The extended family (not without its problems, no human institution is) is probably a more natural, and socially viable, framework.
Extended family leads to clans – clans lead to tribes – tribes lead to Saudi Araba.
Tribalism is the bane of humanity – we have brains – we don’t need to be run by our gonads. The number one product of tribalism is war.
Western culture has been somewhat successful, because it has partially advanced away from tribalism.
The nuclear family is a whole unit of humanity – it has the minimal parts needed for a human organization to extend its future. It is internally strong, but not outwardly powerful.
Think Peace — Art
Well, I don’t know ….. and I mean that seriously. Just to use caution, I guess. The reason I looked at Mike’s history is that even what he wrote on this thread was kind of enigmatic ….. I couldn’t quite make it out. Sure, it’s a worthwhile human trait to learn from history, no problem. But he gets into this weird neo-Viking gender stuff, seems to say [Jews? ME?] are de facto better…. So, being more or less half Viking myself (original, not neo – whatever that means) naturally I take that askance.
OT, it may amuse you that I’ve just been reprimanded and denied posting privileges by my Christian ME policy group. Cause? Suggesting that praying for Trump’s ouster before Feb. wasn’t such a cool idea. Also asking, what then?, and pointing out Hillary’s track record or murder and mayhem. I’ve known for a long time that they were incurable snowflakes, but this was cold. What can you do? As you know, I avoid absolutes, but I think I can bank on none of them reading Unz!
You got it wrong. Israel can’t survive if peace ever breaks out . It couldn’t have if peace ever existed . This is why talk and hint of each and every compromise by the neighbors have resulted in active denunciation and misccharecterization all along by Israel . Israel knows it survives by stealing,by theft,by usuary,by shakedown,by entitlement ,by guilt forced donation,and by forcing money out of benefactor and friends and by simple threat against enemies .
A peace will deprive it of the oxygen . It will never learn to live in peace just like a fish can’t out of water .
Though I am using Israel, I mean to include Zionism because this concept of compromise embraces the anti peace nature of intransigent inflexible racist lying Zionism as well.
If it is “of course not”, why your post? Didn’t you mostly mean to signal that I ought not to have concurred with Garrett?
Of course not indeed. Indeed, why would anyone ask such a question?Of course not.
“Do you mean to say that if a commentator writes from a perspective somewhat at odds with one’s own, agreement on any matter is impossible?”
You are unfamiliar with rhetorical devices, it is clear. So read the thread. Or, its a case of senility compounding inherent obtuseness.
I will mention also, that you appear rather stricken, on account of my description as cringeworthy, your various attempts at poetry; for it is since that post you’ve taken to the use of that word at every turn. LOL
Jacues, ‘umbleness suits you.
Hey, Rurik... are you familiar with the details of the Fourth Crusade?
I suspect, that in the times of the Crusades, that these men were not motivated by a worship of Mammon...
The prominent medievalist Steven Runciman wrote in 1954: "There was never a greater crime against humanity than the Fourth Crusade."[64] The controversy that has surrounded the Fourth Crusade has led to diverging opinions in academia on whether its objective was indeed the capture of Constantinople. The traditional position, which holds that this was the case, was challenged by Donald E. Queller and Thomas F. Madden in their book The Fourth Crusade (1977).[65]
Constantinople was considered as a bastion of Christianity that defended Europe from the advancing forces of Islam, and the Fourth Crusade's sack of the city dealt an irreparable blow to this eastern bulwark. Although the Greeks retook Constantinople after 57 years of Latin rule, the Byzantine Empire had been crippled by the Fourth Crusade. Reduced to Constantinople, north-western Anatolia, and a portion of the southern Balkans, the empire fell to the Ottoman Turks who captured the city in 1453.[66]
Eight hundred years later, Pope John Paul II twice expressed sorrow for the events of the Fourth Crusade. In 2001, he wrote to Christodoulos, Archbishop of Athens, "It is tragic that the assailants, who set out to secure free access for Christians to the Holy Land, turned against their brothers in the faith. The fact that they were Latin Christians fills Catholics with deep regret."[67] In 2004, while Bartholomew I, Patriarch of Constantinople, was visiting the Vatican, John Paul II asked, "How can we not share, at a distance of eight centuries, the pain and disgust."[68] This has been regarded as an apology to the Greek Orthodox Church for the massacres perpetrated by the warriors of the Fourth Crusade.[69]
In April 2004, in a speech on the 800th anniversary of the city's capture, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I formally accepted the apology. "The spirit of reconciliation is stronger than hatred," he said during a liturgy attended by Roman Catholic Archbishop Philippe Barbarin of Lyon, France. "We receive with gratitude and respect your cordial gesture for the tragic events of the Fourth Crusade. It is a fact that a crime was committed here in the city 800 years ago." Bartholomew said his acceptance came in the spirit of Pascha. "The spirit of reconciliation of the resurrection... incites us toward reconciliation of our churches."[70]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade
are you familiar with the details of the Fourth Crusade?
interesting Geo,
as I’m sure you can tell, I’m no scholar on the Crusades (or anything else ; ), but this and the following comment was an interesting read.
I wish I had time to immerse myself more in historical pursuits that mock the folly and foibles of human nature and struggle. It looks like a fascinating labyrinth of intrigue and power.
The one crusade that I always found most tragic was the ‘Children’s Crusade’. Were these Christians just trying to get rid of surplus children, as their current serial wars sometimes seem intended to accomplish?
Or were they really that stupendously gullible and bovine stupid, even to the point of sending their off-spring into Muslim slavery?
it is one of the tenets of my understanding of history, that you can often glimmer what motivated people back then, by looking at how they behave now.
and watching the Christians send their children to die in contrived wars for the profit and amusement of evil men right now, even as I write this, I do wonder if some of them are simply tossing their children onto Moloch’s pyres, for some perceived personal benefit. Even if it’s one less mouth to feed.
Knowing what we all know today, that our governments all lie us into catastrophic wars for their own personal profit, as the young people are sacrificed to the demon’s maw, how is it possible for any parent to allow their son (or daughter!) to suit up and go kill people (or die trying) in far-off lands? And ALWAYS based on LIES
The Eternal Wars we’re fighting today seem not all that different than the Children’s Crusade.
the children are being sacrificed to assuage the idiocy and moral cowardice of their parents
This brings us to the reason for all the gender laws of the Western Religious tradition as well as those of Confucius. If you keep half of the economy at home and totally out of the marketplace, then when that trade economy disappears you still have strong families, small flocks and gardens to fall back on. Societies that keep the women out of the trade economy completely and at home will survive and recover after the great tragedies
pure idiocy
women care for a home and children because they’re women, not because of some laws in some religious books
the ((radical feminism)) movement in the West is an anomaly (and abomination) of human society and gender roles, not the norm of human nature you find in 99% of all human societies both past and present. (at least in the non-feminized western world)
humans don’t need a book to tell them to act like men and women. They do so because it’s their nature to do so.
duh
Rurik ~ the neo-Viking barbarian
neo-Viking barbarians
Now there is a term you don’t see used every day.
I’ll have a look, thanks.
Good for Eisner taking a principled stance. However, the “self-hating Jew” smears have already begun in the comment section there, so I suspect she’s a voice in the wilderness.
My favourite quote:
Just as troubling as this blatant disrespect for American norms is the applause in that auditorium on Sunday. American Jews have myriad of public organizations whose sole purpose is to help shape administration policy with regards to Israel. The community is hardly voiceless or powerless, and the American public knows this.
… but a few commenters at UR are less willing to admit this.
What's the word I'm looking for... oh, yeah Chutzpah!
Jared Kushner Was Right To ‘Collude’ With Russia — Because He Did It For Israel
https://forward.com/opinion/national/388867/jared-kushner-was-right-to-collude-with-russia-because-he-did-it-for-israel/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1
….And…. the rebuttal ……
“I am not certain what is more troubling: reading reports that Jared Kushner — before he became the most powerful Jew in the White House, when he was just the president-elect’s powerful son-in-law — secretly worked to persuade Russia to defy the Obama administration and stop a U.N. resolution condemning Israel for its settlement policy.
Or watching so many American Jews applaud him.”
Jared Kushner Was Wrong To Undermine America — Even To Help Israel
https://forward.com/opinion/389051/jared-kushner-was-wrong-to-undermine-america-even-to-help-israel/
... but a few commenters at UR are less willing to admit this.
Just as troubling as this blatant disrespect for American norms is the applause in that auditorium on Sunday. American Jews have myriad of public organizations whose sole purpose is to help shape administration policy with regards to Israel. The community is hardly voiceless or powerless, and the American public knows this.
Judging by the attitudes displayed by the hasbara trolls and their water boys here, the place has to be a moral and cultural pit. I mean look at the leadership it has; it's much worse than anywhere else, and that's saying a lot. What intelligent person could stand it?
Jerusalem Post
Diaspora
ISRAEL EMIGRATION TO UK OUTSTRIPS ALIYA, SAYS REPORT
Netanyahu visit to Britain set to spark protests
Poll: 75% of British Jews think settlements block peace
BY SAM SOKOL
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Israel-emigration-to-UK-outstrips-aliya-says-report-434751
Apparently a lot of young smart Jews are tired of Israel and migrate heavily
NIMBY!
Why would I want a horde of such sadistic immigrants to populate my backyard? You made your bed, now lie in it.
Yes, and very humbling to say the least.
Prime real estate on the East Mediterranean vs an End to Human Suffering!
But they’re Non-Vikings; they stay at home urging everyone else to come a-viking to their lands.
Have you read hbd chicks blog? She has done masses of really interesting research, some of which you’ll agree with and some probably not.
Bye bye indeed.
I keep reading similar things. Apparently a lot of young smart Jews are tired of Israel and migrate heavily to Germany as well.
Jerusalem Post
Diaspora
ISRAEL EMIGRATION TO UK OUTSTRIPS ALIYA, SAYS REPORTNetanyahu visit to Britain set to spark protests
Poll: 75% of British Jews think settlements block peace
BY SAM SOKOLhttp://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Israel-emigration-to-UK-outstrips-aliya-says-report-434751
Judging by the attitudes displayed by the hasbara trolls and their water boys here, the place has to be a moral and cultural pit. I mean look at the leadership it has; it’s much worse than anywhere else, and that’s saying a lot. What intelligent person could stand it?
NIMBY!
Apparently a lot of young smart Jews are tired of Israel and migrate heavily
Even bonehead Yankistani Millennial Evangelicals are seeing the scam.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.826720
Bye Bye Talmudic Lie. You drove your Merkava to the desert and ended up fried. [A little jingle set to Don Mclean’s American Pie].
Judging by the attitudes displayed by the hasbara trolls and their water boys here, the place has to be a moral and cultural pit. I mean look at the leadership it has; it's much worse than anywhere else, and that's saying a lot. What intelligent person could stand it?
Jerusalem Post
Diaspora
ISRAEL EMIGRATION TO UK OUTSTRIPS ALIYA, SAYS REPORT
Netanyahu visit to Britain set to spark protests
Poll: 75% of British Jews think settlements block peace
BY SAM SOKOL
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Israel-emigration-to-UK-outstrips-aliya-says-report-434751
Mike,
All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home.
I think the nuclear family is a liberal or individualistic extension of the atomized individual, disconnected from other social bonds and hence more liable to manipulation and outright control. (No surprise brain-dead conservatives fell for it.). The extended family (not without its problems, no human institution is) is probably a more natural, and socially viable, framework.
Extended family leads to clans – clans lead to tribes – tribes lead to Saudi Araba.
The extended family (not without its problems, no human institution is) is probably a more natural, and socially viable, framework.
All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home.
Mike,
Hmm — it seems that the nuclear family arrangement is the most successful organization in human history.
Could you be confusing the inadequacies of our economic systems with the nuclear family.
Didn’t the economic system fail because of the dysfunctional money system – not the family structure?
What is better – a system where one parent must work outside the home – or a system where both parents must be employed?
In tribal Africa – women are the economic system – men “as fathers and husbands” play a small roll in that system.
Think Peace — Art
“Do you mean to say that if a commentator writes from a perspective somewhat at odds with one’s own, agreement on any matter is impossible?”
Of course not.
Of course not indeed. Indeed, why would anyone ask such a question?
Cringeworthy.
You’ll need to be more explicit for us Dumb Goyim... or we’ll never get it.
There is a lesson there, somewhere, for someone.
There is a lesson there, somewhere, for someone.
You’ll need to be more explicit for us Dumb Goyim… or we’ll never get it.
That one doesn’t get any of it himself. He’s just repeating what someone else said before. Probably thinks he’s sounding profound by quoting someone with a clue. Appears to me as stolen intellectualism somewhat akin to stolen valor. You know the type.
I mean, the state of Israel is Jewish? If the idea isn’t a fraud, I don’t know what is, but then we all know about other significant frauds, don’t we?
But we should be warned to never question them. 😉
THE ANTI-SEMITES, on their part, always preferred the Zionists to other Jews.
Israelis secretly despise American Jews…
THE BASIC trouble is that the entire relationship between Israelis and Diaspora Jews is built on a lie: the belief that they are the same people. They are not.
-Uri Avnery, King and Emperor, 02/12/17
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1512137281/
Built on a lie? Where have we heard that before? Someone, somewhere, must never learn…
Even some of us dumb goyim learn Slowly, but we do learn.
This JTA article is a long, snide criticism of another article that in "Knickerbocker" that wrote in an unacceptably positive vein about the policies of German National Socialism.
If you keep half of the economy at home and totally out of the marketplace, then when that trade economy disappears you still have strong families, small flocks and gardens to fall back on. Societies that keep the women out of the trade economy completely and at home will survive and recover after the great tragedies. All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home. It is only the ignorant neo-Vikings with their temporary technical advantage who think the their urban wonderland will continue forever and not crash like all the others.
It's easy to find devastating denunciations of National Socialism's policies of keeping their women clothed, in homes, raising families; the JTA writer alluded to a "primitive reflex.". Herbert Hoover took the opposite view; he witnessed the phenomenon of Hitler's home building project and support for families and praised Hitler and Goring for their accomplishments.Meanwhile, in 1931 Jacob Leschinsky surveyed Jewish population patterns that showed that "the Jewish population of the world has more than doubled, while during the past century it has increased nearly five-fold . . . from 7,660,000 in 1881 to 15,800,000 in 1930."
This was essentially the spirit of a letter written on April 17, by Alice Brady, who surely deserves some recognition from the Hitler Government, in keeping with Herr Hitler’s promise to drive all women back to the kitchen.
Data collected by Hitler's statistician, Richard Korherr, affirm Leschinsky's conclusions:
"The great increase of Jewish population came mainly as a result of a great decline in the Jewish death rate, a much greater decline than among other peoples.
"Jews everywhere have less children than the peoples who surround them,” he writes, “because they became city people sooner than the non-Jews and have remained such to a larger extent." "
Korherr further interprets the demographic patterns revealed by the data:
"The population statistics of German Jews reveal an extraordinarily high excess of deaths over births, which is attributable not only to the high death rate but still more to the markedly low bilth rate. "
But some enterprising Jewish women still cling to the old ways. In the long and tortured history of attempts of Polish Jews to settle in Biro-Bidjan, this complaint was one of dozens lodged with "Oze, the society for safe-guarding the health of the Jews of Eastern Europe:"
The Jewish birth rate in the Old Reich in 1942 is about 2 1/2 per 1,000. Similarly there were only 679 Jewish births in Austria from 1.3.1938 through 1.1.1943 in contrast to 15 188 deaths. In the Old Reich, in December 1942, January and February 1943 there were only 14, 7, and 8 Jewish births respectively. We .should keep in mind that the Jewish communities in the civilized European states have not had large numbers of children for decades, and this is reflected in the statistics of births by religion. The Jew Felix Theilhaber commented as early as 1911 about the continuing "Decline of German Jewry", which the continuing stream of Eastern Jews had kept hidden. This phenomenon is only partly due to the aging of the urban European Jewish population; it is mainly attributable to genuine low life expectancy.Nevertheless the extremely unfavourable age structure of the Jews must be regarded in conjunction with their present extraordinarily high mortality and low birth rate. The German Jews are mostly old people as most of the younger Jews have now left. Their age structure as presented graphically instead of resembling a "pyramid" now resembles a "club", as the Reich Association of Jews has described so accurately. There are not enough children and adults of child-bearing age anymore, while the older generations exceed them not only proportionately but also numerically. This partially accounts for the excessively high number of Jewish suicide:;. Till' vast majority of suicides are nornlally committed by old people. https://codoh.com/media/files/downloads/StephenChallen-RichardKorherrAndHisReports-CromwellLondon1993-OCR.pdf
Jews also have a history of inducing a low birth rate among other peoples: the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg incited Russian soldiers to rape German women; this can be verified by accessing his personal papers, which he bequeathed to Yad Vashem http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html
Especially tragic is the situation of the lonely women. “Against their will they begin to traffic in prostitution! Some women go for this purpose to Khabarovsk, but in Tikhonkoe too several Jewish women have during September-October 1929 begun to occupy themselves with prostitution.”
Sadly, it is not true that "Jews never learn from experience." Rather, it appears they build one crime against humanity atop the other, enacting in real time what most had understood as myths.
Jews never learn from experience. One has to laugh at that odd charge, indeed, one might call it a case of projection:
Holy moley! Your scholarship is truly amazing!
Wow!
Very interesting set of comments. I like it!
…but never ever build cities or make for yourselves a united monarchy.
The Hebrew people went and did everything they were told not to do…
Those quotes explain a lot regarding the non-Jewishness of the state of Israel. The atheist Zionists who run the abomination are a living mockery of Jews and have hijacked the good name of Jews for their own wicked and nefarious project. I guess the priests learned form the past, but the rest do what they please, and do it repeatedly, then wonder what happened and claim eternal victimhood. Amusing.
The Israel supporting thugs even go so far as to flip the bird to the Decalogue and think they can get away with it forever. Good luck with that, fellas!
There are a few clear lessons here, but no doubt the usual suspects will be oblivious to the obvious.
Excellent post. Please offer more!
What's the word I'm looking for... oh, yeah Chutzpah!
Jared Kushner Was Right To ‘Collude’ With Russia — Because He Did It For Israel
https://forward.com/opinion/national/388867/jared-kushner-was-right-to-collude-with-russia-because-he-did-it-for-israel/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1
As has been noted here, the content of the article is a little less sensational than the title, however the overall point is clear: Jews really should not be surprised that they’re so often accused of dual (really single) loyalty.
However, he still had this weird neo-Viking faith in democracy and the ability of the system to heal itself. He always believed that getting the truth out before the people would somehow help.
Fighting the good fight – is invigorating – when you reach a certain awareness in life, there is nothing better. But there is more.
It is not only money and economic wellbeing at stake – there is also blood flowing. There is the prospect of WWIII to be talked about.
The Jewish Rothschild debt/interest money system is doomed – it is unsustainable – it is now dysfunctional – it is producing debt, but it is not paying interest. This is total win-win for them and lose-lose for us.
We are becoming serfs to Jew owned Wall Street. Like medieval times, they own everything, and we are burdened with debt. This is becoming more than obvious. This last election started something. Trump will fall short because he is doing an old way fix.
Why not push and agitate for a real solution?
Think Peace — Art
This JTA article is a long, snide criticism of another article that in "Knickerbocker" that wrote in an unacceptably positive vein about the policies of German National Socialism.
If you keep half of the economy at home and totally out of the marketplace, then when that trade economy disappears you still have strong families, small flocks and gardens to fall back on. Societies that keep the women out of the trade economy completely and at home will survive and recover after the great tragedies. All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home. It is only the ignorant neo-Vikings with their temporary technical advantage who think the their urban wonderland will continue forever and not crash like all the others.
It's easy to find devastating denunciations of National Socialism's policies of keeping their women clothed, in homes, raising families; the JTA writer alluded to a "primitive reflex.". Herbert Hoover took the opposite view; he witnessed the phenomenon of Hitler's home building project and support for families and praised Hitler and Goring for their accomplishments.Meanwhile, in 1931 Jacob Leschinsky surveyed Jewish population patterns that showed that "the Jewish population of the world has more than doubled, while during the past century it has increased nearly five-fold . . . from 7,660,000 in 1881 to 15,800,000 in 1930."
This was essentially the spirit of a letter written on April 17, by Alice Brady, who surely deserves some recognition from the Hitler Government, in keeping with Herr Hitler’s promise to drive all women back to the kitchen.
Data collected by Hitler's statistician, Richard Korherr, affirm Leschinsky's conclusions:
"The great increase of Jewish population came mainly as a result of a great decline in the Jewish death rate, a much greater decline than among other peoples.
"Jews everywhere have less children than the peoples who surround them,” he writes, “because they became city people sooner than the non-Jews and have remained such to a larger extent." "
Korherr further interprets the demographic patterns revealed by the data:
"The population statistics of German Jews reveal an extraordinarily high excess of deaths over births, which is attributable not only to the high death rate but still more to the markedly low bilth rate. "
But some enterprising Jewish women still cling to the old ways. In the long and tortured history of attempts of Polish Jews to settle in Biro-Bidjan, this complaint was one of dozens lodged with "Oze, the society for safe-guarding the health of the Jews of Eastern Europe:"
The Jewish birth rate in the Old Reich in 1942 is about 2 1/2 per 1,000. Similarly there were only 679 Jewish births in Austria from 1.3.1938 through 1.1.1943 in contrast to 15 188 deaths. In the Old Reich, in December 1942, January and February 1943 there were only 14, 7, and 8 Jewish births respectively. We .should keep in mind that the Jewish communities in the civilized European states have not had large numbers of children for decades, and this is reflected in the statistics of births by religion. The Jew Felix Theilhaber commented as early as 1911 about the continuing "Decline of German Jewry", which the continuing stream of Eastern Jews had kept hidden. This phenomenon is only partly due to the aging of the urban European Jewish population; it is mainly attributable to genuine low life expectancy.Nevertheless the extremely unfavourable age structure of the Jews must be regarded in conjunction with their present extraordinarily high mortality and low birth rate. The German Jews are mostly old people as most of the younger Jews have now left. Their age structure as presented graphically instead of resembling a "pyramid" now resembles a "club", as the Reich Association of Jews has described so accurately. There are not enough children and adults of child-bearing age anymore, while the older generations exceed them not only proportionately but also numerically. This partially accounts for the excessively high number of Jewish suicide:;. Till' vast majority of suicides are nornlally committed by old people. https://codoh.com/media/files/downloads/StephenChallen-RichardKorherrAndHisReports-CromwellLondon1993-OCR.pdf
Jews also have a history of inducing a low birth rate among other peoples: the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg incited Russian soldiers to rape German women; this can be verified by accessing his personal papers, which he bequeathed to Yad Vashem http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html
Especially tragic is the situation of the lonely women. “Against their will they begin to traffic in prostitution! Some women go for this purpose to Khabarovsk, but in Tikhonkoe too several Jewish women have during September-October 1929 begun to occupy themselves with prostitution.”
Sadly, it is not true that "Jews never learn from experience." Rather, it appears they build one crime against humanity atop the other, enacting in real time what most had understood as myths.
Jews never learn from experience. One has to laugh at that odd charge, indeed, one might call it a case of projection:
Apologies, S2C.
I do not have tiny presidential hands and I tapped the “disagree button.
Aside, I really appreciate your having mentioned the lost-to-history colony of Birobidjan!
Thanks.
This JTA article is a long, snide criticism of another article that in "Knickerbocker" that wrote in an unacceptably positive vein about the policies of German National Socialism.
If you keep half of the economy at home and totally out of the marketplace, then when that trade economy disappears you still have strong families, small flocks and gardens to fall back on. Societies that keep the women out of the trade economy completely and at home will survive and recover after the great tragedies. All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home. It is only the ignorant neo-Vikings with their temporary technical advantage who think the their urban wonderland will continue forever and not crash like all the others.
It's easy to find devastating denunciations of National Socialism's policies of keeping their women clothed, in homes, raising families; the JTA writer alluded to a "primitive reflex.". Herbert Hoover took the opposite view; he witnessed the phenomenon of Hitler's home building project and support for families and praised Hitler and Goring for their accomplishments.Meanwhile, in 1931 Jacob Leschinsky surveyed Jewish population patterns that showed that "the Jewish population of the world has more than doubled, while during the past century it has increased nearly five-fold . . . from 7,660,000 in 1881 to 15,800,000 in 1930."
This was essentially the spirit of a letter written on April 17, by Alice Brady, who surely deserves some recognition from the Hitler Government, in keeping with Herr Hitler’s promise to drive all women back to the kitchen.
Data collected by Hitler's statistician, Richard Korherr, affirm Leschinsky's conclusions:
"The great increase of Jewish population came mainly as a result of a great decline in the Jewish death rate, a much greater decline than among other peoples.
"Jews everywhere have less children than the peoples who surround them,” he writes, “because they became city people sooner than the non-Jews and have remained such to a larger extent." "
Korherr further interprets the demographic patterns revealed by the data:
"The population statistics of German Jews reveal an extraordinarily high excess of deaths over births, which is attributable not only to the high death rate but still more to the markedly low bilth rate. "
But some enterprising Jewish women still cling to the old ways. In the long and tortured history of attempts of Polish Jews to settle in Biro-Bidjan, this complaint was one of dozens lodged with "Oze, the society for safe-guarding the health of the Jews of Eastern Europe:"
The Jewish birth rate in the Old Reich in 1942 is about 2 1/2 per 1,000. Similarly there were only 679 Jewish births in Austria from 1.3.1938 through 1.1.1943 in contrast to 15 188 deaths. In the Old Reich, in December 1942, January and February 1943 there were only 14, 7, and 8 Jewish births respectively. We .should keep in mind that the Jewish communities in the civilized European states have not had large numbers of children for decades, and this is reflected in the statistics of births by religion. The Jew Felix Theilhaber commented as early as 1911 about the continuing "Decline of German Jewry", which the continuing stream of Eastern Jews had kept hidden. This phenomenon is only partly due to the aging of the urban European Jewish population; it is mainly attributable to genuine low life expectancy.Nevertheless the extremely unfavourable age structure of the Jews must be regarded in conjunction with their present extraordinarily high mortality and low birth rate. The German Jews are mostly old people as most of the younger Jews have now left. Their age structure as presented graphically instead of resembling a "pyramid" now resembles a "club", as the Reich Association of Jews has described so accurately. There are not enough children and adults of child-bearing age anymore, while the older generations exceed them not only proportionately but also numerically. This partially accounts for the excessively high number of Jewish suicide:;. Till' vast majority of suicides are nornlally committed by old people. https://codoh.com/media/files/downloads/StephenChallen-RichardKorherrAndHisReports-CromwellLondon1993-OCR.pdf
Jews also have a history of inducing a low birth rate among other peoples: the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg incited Russian soldiers to rape German women; this can be verified by accessing his personal papers, which he bequeathed to Yad Vashem http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html
Especially tragic is the situation of the lonely women. “Against their will they begin to traffic in prostitution! Some women go for this purpose to Khabarovsk, but in Tikhonkoe too several Jewish women have during September-October 1929 begun to occupy themselves with prostitution.”
Sadly, it is not true that "Jews never learn from experience." Rather, it appears they build one crime against humanity atop the other, enacting in real time what most had understood as myths.
Jews never learn from experience. One has to laugh at that odd charge, indeed, one might call it a case of projection:
“Kirche, Kinder, Küche …Hitler had it right.” – Great line from one of my favorite movies –
Beat The Devil (1953)
Hey Maven,
I know you and Little iffen-iffen will not cotton to the great ballad by Nobel Prize winner, has-been radical, Bob Dylan, and minus the expected Zio anti-Hitler & Islamo Fascist “spin” on video, the lyrics are generously linked (below) for your review!
I
https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-masters-of-war-lyrics
Selah Slow Train Coming & “Ya ‘gotta serve somebody.”
There is a lesson there, somewhere, for someone.
You’ll need to be more explicit for us Dumb Goyim… or we’ll never get it.
That one doesn't get any of it himself. He's just repeating what someone else said before. Probably thinks he's sounding profound by quoting someone with a clue. Appears to me as stolen intellectualism somewhat akin to stolen valor. You know the type.I mean, the state of Israel is Jewish? If the idea isn't a fraud, I don't know what is, but then we all know about other significant frauds, don't we? But we should be warned to never question them. ;)You’ll need to be more explicit for us Dumb Goyim… or we’ll never get it.
There is a lesson there, somewhere, for someone.
Built on a lie? Where have we heard that before? Someone, somewhere, must never learn...Even some of us dumb goyim learn Slowly, but we do learn.
THE ANTI-SEMITES, on their part, always preferred the Zionists to other Jews.Israelis secretly despise American Jews… THE BASIC trouble is that the entire relationship between Israelis and Diaspora Jews is built on a lie: the belief that they are the same people. They are not.-Uri Avnery, King and Emperor, 02/12/17
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1512137281/
If you keep half of the economy at home and totally out of the marketplace, then when that trade economy disappears you still have strong families, small flocks and gardens to fall back on. Societies that keep the women out of the trade economy completely and at home will survive and recover after the great tragedies. All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home. It is only the ignorant neo-Vikings with their temporary technical advantage who think the their urban wonderland will continue forever and not crash like all the others.
This JTA article is a long, snide criticism of another article that in “Knickerbocker” that wrote in an unacceptably positive vein about the policies of German National Socialism.
Knickerbocker Articles on Nazis Provoke Incredulity, Anti-semitism, Ironic Comment
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
May 7, 1933
https://www.jta.org/1933/05/07/archive/knickerbocker-articles-on-nazis-provoke-incredulity-anti-semitism-ironic-comment
JTA’s Jewish writer closes his (surely author must be male; Jewish females are at home making babies) screechy screed thus:
This was essentially the spirit of a letter written on April 17, by Alice Brady, who surely deserves some recognition from the Hitler Government, in keeping with Herr Hitler’s promise to drive all women back to the kitchen.
It’s easy to find devastating denunciations of National Socialism’s policies of keeping their women clothed, in homes, raising families; the JTA writer alluded to a “primitive reflex.”. Herbert Hoover took the opposite view; he witnessed the phenomenon of Hitler’s home building project and support for families and praised Hitler and Goring for their accomplishments.
Meanwhile, in 1931 Jacob Leschinsky surveyed Jewish population patterns that showed that “the Jewish population of the world has more than doubled, while during the past century it has increased nearly five-fold . . . from 7,660,000 in 1881 to 15,800,000 in 1930.”
Leschinsky, a social scientist, explained that
“The great increase of Jewish population came mainly as a result of a great decline in the Jewish death rate, a much greater decline than among other peoples.
“Jews everywhere have less children than the peoples who surround them,” he writes, “because they became city people sooner than the non-Jews and have remained such to a larger extent.” ”
Data collected by Hitler’s statistician, Richard Korherr, affirm Leschinsky’s conclusions:
“The population statistics of German Jews reveal an extraordinarily high excess of deaths over births, which is attributable not only to the high death rate but still more to the markedly low bilth rate. ”
Korherr further interprets the demographic patterns revealed by the data:
The Jewish birth rate in the Old Reich in 1942 is about 2 1/2 per 1,000. Similarly there were only 679 Jewish births in Austria from 1.3.1938 through 1.1.1943 in contrast to 15 188 deaths. In the Old Reich, in December 1942, January and February 1943 there were only 14, 7, and 8 Jewish births respectively. We .should keep in mind that the Jewish communities in the civilized European states have not had large numbers of children for decades, and this is reflected in the statistics of births by religion. The Jew Felix Theilhaber commented as early as 1911 about the continuing “Decline of German Jewry”, which the continuing stream of Eastern Jews had kept hidden. This phenomenon is only partly due to the aging of the urban European Jewish population; it is mainly attributable to genuine low life expectancy.
Nevertheless the extremely unfavourable age structure of the Jews must be regarded in conjunction with their present extraordinarily high mortality and low birth rate. The German Jews are mostly old people as most of the younger Jews have now left. Their age structure as presented graphically instead of resembling a “pyramid” now resembles a “club”, as the Reich Association of Jews has described so accurately. There are not enough children and adults of child-bearing age anymore, while the older generations exceed them not only proportionately but also numerically. This partially accounts for the excessively high number of Jewish suicide:;. Till’ vast majority of suicides are nornlally committed by old people. https://codoh.com/media/files/downloads/StephenChallen-RichardKorherrAndHisReports-CromwellLondon1993-OCR.pdf
But some enterprising Jewish women still cling to the old ways. In the long and tortured history of attempts of Polish Jews to settle in Biro-Bidjan, this complaint was one of dozens lodged with “Oze, the society for safe-guarding the health of the Jews of Eastern Europe:”
Especially tragic is the situation of the lonely women. “Against their will they begin to traffic in prostitution! Some women go for this purpose to Khabarovsk, but in Tikhonkoe too several Jewish women have during September-October 1929 begun to occupy themselves with prostitution.”
Jews also have a history of inducing a low birth rate among other peoples: the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg incited Russian soldiers to rape German women; this can be verified by accessing his personal papers, which he bequeathed to Yad Vashem http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html
Allied occupation forces decimated the ranks of German POWs — renamed “Disarmed Enemy Combatants” in order to end-run rules about their proper treatment; the Frankfurt School holds as one of its goals “the breakdown of the family;” https://www.henrymakow.com/frankfurt-school-satanic-judaism-in-action.html
Jews never learn from experience. One has to laugh at that odd charge, indeed, one might call it a case of projection:
Sadly, it is not true that “Jews never learn from experience.” Rather, it appears they build one crime against humanity atop the other, enacting in real time what most had understood as myths.
“Do you mean to say that if a commentator writes from a perspective somewhat at odds with one’s own, agreement on any matter is impossible?”
Of course not.
Of course not indeed. Indeed, why would anyone ask such a question?Of course not.
“Do you mean to say that if a commentator writes from a perspective somewhat at odds with one’s own, agreement on any matter is impossible?”
Thanks for the link, Chuck! I’ve been curious to hear what Dr. Roberts had to say about all this.
Take care
In 1963, the Kennedy administration was secretly fighting Israel’s nuclear weapons development program and had even secretly ordered Israel’s top—and largely foreign funded—lobbying organization the American Zionist Council to register as a foreign agent and openly report its public relations and secret lobbying expenditures on behalf of Israel. When Kennedy was assassinated the following November and conspiracy theories about Russian and Cuban complicity began to swirl, nobody of significance speculated about possible Israeli connections. That is because—as has become the norm in such cases—the relevant and highly detailed government records about the administration’s initiative to keep Israel’s lobby in check were effectively kept bottled up, in this case classified as secret until 2008. The story of JFK’s fight against the Israeli nuclear program was similarly withheld from the public until fairly recently. Nevertheless, one outcome is clear. JFK’s assassination settled both issues.
Yes, but Israel was not the only party with a motive to kill President Kennedy.
I suggest it is more likely that other suspects closer to JFK would have had both means and opportunity–in addition to motive–to set up and make the hit, pin the murder on a patsy, kill the scapegoat, hijack and control the autopsy, and orchestrate both Warren Commission whitewash and mainstream media cover-up.
LBJ’s most immediate motive would have been to avoid being dumped as JFK’s running-mate in ’64 after the Billy Sol Estes and Bobby Baker scandals had come to light.
Indeed, the Dallas Morning News published a column on the morning of the JFK murder headlined, “Nixon Predicts JFK May Drop Johnson,” based on speech by former GOP Vice President Richard Nixon in Dallas the previous day citing reasons for the president to discard the scandal-tainted Johnson from the Democratic ticket before the 1964 presidential election.
Who was Billy Sol Estes?
As his multi-million dollar empire began to fall apart in 1962, the well-connected Estes became a political liability to the Kennedy administration. President Kennedy himself had to publicly say that the Justice Dept. would get to the bottom of the Estes shenanigans.
Yet, as investigators dug into his labyrinthine schemes, they ended up dead — seven of them in fact; the majority dubiously ruled to be suicide. One victim’s “suicide” included five shots from a bolt action rifle.
[…]
Among Estes’ legacies: the allegation that Lyndon Johnson orchestrated the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
http://jfkfacts.org/billy-sol-estes-leaves-the-stage-claimed-lbj-killed-jfk-and-others/
Among the recently released JFK assassination-related materials, there is this choice nugget from FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover:
“On September 16, 1965, this same source reported that the KGB Residency in New York City received instructions approximately September 16, 1965, from KGB headquarters in Moscow to develop all possible information concerning President Lyndon B. Johnson’s character, background…
Our source added that in the instructions from Moscow, it was indicated that “now” the KGB was in possession of data purporting to indicate President Johnson was responsible for the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy…”
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32204484.pdf
I’m certainly not trying to exculpate or offer excuses for Israel, but by itself, Israel probably would not have been able to enlist the participation of FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover in the cover-up, nor is it likely that Israel was running the Lee Harvey Oswald(s) operation, the full extant and character of which even now remain murky, but Hoover knew already even before the assassination that someone was impersonating Oswald,
Shifting gears, and taking a step back, let’s briefly consider the question: what kind of work was Jack Rubenstein (Ruby) doing for Richard M. Nixon that prompted (the staff of) the junior congressman from California to ask that Rubenstein be excused from open testimony to the HUAC in 1947?
Of course, I’m not trying to suggest that there’s anything at all unusual in the fact that this guy who was doing some kind of undercover work for Nixon in ’47 shows up in ’63 to kill JFK’s accused assassin, or in the fact that Oswald sometimes shared a table with the boss at Ruby’s Dallas strip joint, or even that Ruby had been seen parked in Dealey Plaza letting out a passenger who appeared to be carrying a concealed rifle toward the infamous grassy knoll area just 90 minutes before the assassination.
But it might be something for the Coincidence Theorists to consider.
Tricky Dick gave at least three different accounts of his visit to, and departure from Dallas on November 22, 1963, which observation does not necessarily suggest that Nixon was involved in the assassination, or that he might have had any motive, other than revenge.
Thanks for the tip. Just sampled a few. Do you mean to say that if a commentator writes from a perspective somewhat at odds with one’s own, agreement on any matter is impossible?
Of course, you are welcome to solicit the opinions of anyone you wish to whet your curiosity on predations, perversions etc. I’ve learnt more about that stuff than I care for.
You might read Mike’s other posts, before you’re too amused.
“…knowing, a generation ahead, of the horrors to come, knowing our own people would be guilty.”
Of course I’d like his opinion on sexual predation & perversion, and entrapment for use as political blackmail.
Nice ballad 🙂
Great post. You may not be aware [I presume you are new to this forum] but a favourite theme amongst the intelligentsia here is that Jews never learn from experience. One has to laugh at that odd charge, indeed, one might call it a case of projection: for those who’ve promised Jews obliteration never quite took stock of what fell on their own lot. There is a lesson there, somewhere, for someone.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?435820-1/qa-david-dalinBut there's more: not only did Brandeis "offend propriety" in consulting with Wilson & FDR on policy matters while on the Supreme Court of the United States [nominally], he was doing so with the purpose of advancing projects in which he had a direct and substantial monetary interest, and also as the head of an organization that was collecting and investing even far larger sums in that financial project. Here's the evidence:Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA)
{Lamb had introduced the topic of Fortas]
"But I should say and this puts into context the notion of extrajudicial activities, which began with Brandeis and Frankfurter. When you're on the court, you're not supposed to be advising a president.
David G. Dalin
You're not supposed. It was said of Abe Fortas. And in my book I talk a lot about the situation with Brandeis and Frankfurter. It was said of Abe Fortas and he spent more time in the White House than he did in his Supreme Court chambers.
Brian Lamb
You say he had a private line to the White House from his desk in the Supreme Court?
David G. Dalin
From his desk, yes, in his office. Not only he had a private line, but he was included – there's a photo I have there – he was included on policy matters, on policy decisions. There's a photo there in which the whole national security staff are around a big rectangular table in the book and deciding on Vietnam policy.
Brian Lamb
You say actually he managed bills in the Congress for the president?
David G. Dalin
Yes.
Brian Lamb
When he was on the court?
David G. Dalin
Yes, while he was on the court. He completely drafted LBJ's 1966 state of the union message. It was written by Abe Fortas.
Brian Lamb
While he was on the court?
David G. Dalin
While he was on the court. In the photo that I have in my book, you have all the people, McNamara, McGeorge Bundy, et cetera, et cetera, and you have Abe Fortas sitting there on a major Vietnam policy decision which was, he shouldn't have been there.Brian Lamb
When Brandeis was in the court, who did he advise?
David G. Dalin
Yes. Ah, OK. Brandeis both advised Wilson and he advised FDR. But in advising Wilson, he did that himself.David G. Dalin
In fact, he helped convince, among other things, the Wilson administration to support the Balfour Declaration which in 1917, a hundred years ago. But more important, when Wilson was out of office, he helped Wilson write what was kind of a new manifesto of the Democratic Party.
David G. Dalin
But what really became today would be unacceptable and the height of impropriety, in the 1930s he worked out a relationship and a deal with Frankfurter. Brandeis was a millionaire. Frankfurter struggled financially all of his life. "
UF readers may find much more useful information in Brandeis's speech at that Mayflower Hotel prom.
"November 26, 1929 5:00am Justice Louis D. Brandeis yesterday broke the silence he had maintained since he ascended the bench of the Supreme Court in October, 1916, when he . . . joined with Felix M. Warburg and other notable leaders of the American Jewish community in formulating plans for the establishment of an economic corporation for Palestine.
The conference, held at the Hotel Mayflower, was called at the invitation of Mr. Warburg to meet with Justice Brandeis, Dr. Lee K. Frankel. Bernard Flexner and himself in order to consider practical possibilities for investments in Palestine. The conference unanimously decided to organize an American business corporation for the investment of funds with a view of furthering the economic development of Palestine.
{snip}
“We decided at Zurich that a financial corporation should be established. Under such conditions, and with the assurance of the English Government that life and property will be secure, we stated then that a number of us were prepared to invest a substantial amount. Lord Melchett agreed to subscribe $500,000, and I consented to subscribe a similar amount.
"
The religious laws of the West begin with Moses, but we seldom look at the situation in which this is said to have taken place. The time of the Exodus from Egypt was the end of the Late Bronze Age when all of the civilisations around the Mediterranean and the Near East were crashing all at once; something similar had happened at the end of the Early Bronze and Middle Bronze as well. Moses was directing a small people living between Egypt and Mesopotamia, much much bigger nations than Israel was ever likely to be, so he told them not to contend in the normal way. His advice was very specific: destroy everything in the land and everyone living there, then keep the land as a place for flocks and herds, tents and at most small villages, but never ever build cities or make for yourselves a united monarchy. Remain in tribes and small villages, and where you can slowly grow for many centuries, pulling back into the desert when the armies of Egypt and Babylon and Persia come calling. Make yourselves a conventional urban nation, and you will not last long.
This brings us to the reason for all the gender laws of the Western Religious tradition as well as those of Confucius. If you keep half of the economy at home and totally out of the marketplace, then when that trade economy disappears you still have strong families, small flocks and gardens to fall back on. Societies that keep the women out of the trade economy completely and at home will survive and recover after the great tragedies. All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home. It is only the ignorant neo-Vikings with their temporary technical advantage who think the their urban wonderland will continue forever and not crash like all the others. They believe that they are destined to press on forever expanding in power until they control the universe. They do not understand that when the current economy crashes a lot of single women with children are going to die or become enslaved.
The Ten Commandments that Moses gave Israel contain five that are word for word straight from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. He was carrying on with an ongoing literary tradition, passing on wisdom from the past. The importance of literacy in the Hebrew tradition continues, and it accounts for the wildly disproportional number of major Jewish scientists and academics in the West. Almost all of the scientists who gave us atomic weapons were secular Jews, on both the American and Russian teams, so the literacy alone is not the gift. The gift is the ability to record the failures of the past so that we can learn from them. The Hebrew people went and did everything they were told not to do, but their priests wrote an honest account of their failures, so that future generations might learn. This is at the heart of both science and religious studies — this learning from what really had happened in the past by writing about it honestly and accurately.
The neo-Viking barbarians talk of faith as believing in some human-like God being who lives in the sky, but the God of Moses was simply “what actually is as revealed by what really happened.” For the Europeans and Americans God is an invisible being that you hope is up there, but I assure you Moses was focusing on very real problems in ther here and now. He tried to save what could be saved at the end of an extraordinary period of human development, urging people to live simply on the land in order to survive the coming chaotic times.
This JTA article is a long, snide criticism of another article that in "Knickerbocker" that wrote in an unacceptably positive vein about the policies of German National Socialism.
If you keep half of the economy at home and totally out of the marketplace, then when that trade economy disappears you still have strong families, small flocks and gardens to fall back on. Societies that keep the women out of the trade economy completely and at home will survive and recover after the great tragedies. All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home. It is only the ignorant neo-Vikings with their temporary technical advantage who think the their urban wonderland will continue forever and not crash like all the others.
It's easy to find devastating denunciations of National Socialism's policies of keeping their women clothed, in homes, raising families; the JTA writer alluded to a "primitive reflex.". Herbert Hoover took the opposite view; he witnessed the phenomenon of Hitler's home building project and support for families and praised Hitler and Goring for their accomplishments.Meanwhile, in 1931 Jacob Leschinsky surveyed Jewish population patterns that showed that "the Jewish population of the world has more than doubled, while during the past century it has increased nearly five-fold . . . from 7,660,000 in 1881 to 15,800,000 in 1930."
This was essentially the spirit of a letter written on April 17, by Alice Brady, who surely deserves some recognition from the Hitler Government, in keeping with Herr Hitler’s promise to drive all women back to the kitchen.
Data collected by Hitler's statistician, Richard Korherr, affirm Leschinsky's conclusions:
"The great increase of Jewish population came mainly as a result of a great decline in the Jewish death rate, a much greater decline than among other peoples.
"Jews everywhere have less children than the peoples who surround them,” he writes, “because they became city people sooner than the non-Jews and have remained such to a larger extent." "
Korherr further interprets the demographic patterns revealed by the data:
"The population statistics of German Jews reveal an extraordinarily high excess of deaths over births, which is attributable not only to the high death rate but still more to the markedly low bilth rate. "
But some enterprising Jewish women still cling to the old ways. In the long and tortured history of attempts of Polish Jews to settle in Biro-Bidjan, this complaint was one of dozens lodged with "Oze, the society for safe-guarding the health of the Jews of Eastern Europe:"
The Jewish birth rate in the Old Reich in 1942 is about 2 1/2 per 1,000. Similarly there were only 679 Jewish births in Austria from 1.3.1938 through 1.1.1943 in contrast to 15 188 deaths. In the Old Reich, in December 1942, January and February 1943 there were only 14, 7, and 8 Jewish births respectively. We .should keep in mind that the Jewish communities in the civilized European states have not had large numbers of children for decades, and this is reflected in the statistics of births by religion. The Jew Felix Theilhaber commented as early as 1911 about the continuing "Decline of German Jewry", which the continuing stream of Eastern Jews had kept hidden. This phenomenon is only partly due to the aging of the urban European Jewish population; it is mainly attributable to genuine low life expectancy.Nevertheless the extremely unfavourable age structure of the Jews must be regarded in conjunction with their present extraordinarily high mortality and low birth rate. The German Jews are mostly old people as most of the younger Jews have now left. Their age structure as presented graphically instead of resembling a "pyramid" now resembles a "club", as the Reich Association of Jews has described so accurately. There are not enough children and adults of child-bearing age anymore, while the older generations exceed them not only proportionately but also numerically. This partially accounts for the excessively high number of Jewish suicide:;. Till' vast majority of suicides are nornlally committed by old people. https://codoh.com/media/files/downloads/StephenChallen-RichardKorherrAndHisReports-CromwellLondon1993-OCR.pdf
Jews also have a history of inducing a low birth rate among other peoples: the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg incited Russian soldiers to rape German women; this can be verified by accessing his personal papers, which he bequeathed to Yad Vashem http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p507_Weber.html
Especially tragic is the situation of the lonely women. “Against their will they begin to traffic in prostitution! Some women go for this purpose to Khabarovsk, but in Tikhonkoe too several Jewish women have during September-October 1929 begun to occupy themselves with prostitution.”
Sadly, it is not true that "Jews never learn from experience." Rather, it appears they build one crime against humanity atop the other, enacting in real time what most had understood as myths.
Jews never learn from experience. One has to laugh at that odd charge, indeed, one might call it a case of projection:
Those quotes explain a lot regarding the non-Jewishness of the state of Israel. The atheist Zionists who run the abomination are a living mockery of Jews and have hijacked the good name of Jews for their own wicked and nefarious project. I guess the priests learned form the past, but the rest do what they please, and do it repeatedly, then wonder what happened and claim eternal victimhood. Amusing.The Israel supporting thugs even go so far as to flip the bird to the Decalogue and think they can get away with it forever. Good luck with that, fellas!There are a few clear lessons here, but no doubt the usual suspects will be oblivious to the obvious.Excellent post. Please offer more!
…but never ever build cities or make for yourselves a united monarchy.The Hebrew people went and did everything they were told not to do…
Mike,
All the laws regarding gender grow from this need to divide the ecomomy and focus the women on family, on care of the young and old and preservation of the home.
pure idiocy
This brings us to the reason for all the gender laws of the Western Religious tradition as well as those of Confucius. If you keep half of the economy at home and totally out of the marketplace, then when that trade economy disappears you still have strong families, small flocks and gardens to fall back on. Societies that keep the women out of the trade economy completely and at home will survive and recover after the great tragedies
Below, see what Paul Craig Roberts thinks about the glorified “tax cut.”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/12/04/plunder-capitalism/
Brothers & Sisters,
Regrettably, rare is when attention is paid to the Trump administration’s blatant “treason” by the appointment of two Jewish Goldman Sachs veterans as 1, Treasury Secretary and 2. National Economic Adviser.
As we all await tomorrow’s P.G. article, I sense it’s valuable to hear Brother Nathanael plain spokenly address the treason of the Goldman Sachs Group; below.
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=645
Selah Real Jew News.
What's the word I'm looking for... oh, yeah Chutzpah!
Jared Kushner Was Right To ‘Collude’ With Russia — Because He Did It For Israel
https://forward.com/opinion/national/388867/jared-kushner-was-right-to-collude-with-russia-because-he-did-it-for-israel/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1
Good information, Geokat62, thanks.
The title is more inflammatory than the text, which reads like an assessment of legal SWOT.
But in the main, Kushner is following in the footsteps of Louis Brandeis, whose secret affiliations Alison Weir profiled in
Against Our Better Judgment http://againstourbetterjudgment.com
and also Felix Frankfurter and Abe Fortas.
In a recent book and discussion, David Dalin told Brian Lamb that:
{Lamb had introduced the topic of Fortas]
“But I should say and this puts into context the notion of extrajudicial activities, which began with Brandeis and Frankfurter. When you’re on the court, you’re not supposed to be advising a president.
David G. Dalin
You’re not supposed. It was said of Abe Fortas. And in my book I talk a lot about the situation with Brandeis and Frankfurter. It was said of Abe Fortas and he spent more time in the White House than he did in his Supreme Court chambers.
Brian Lamb
You say he had a private line to the White House from his desk in the Supreme Court?
David G. Dalin
From his desk, yes, in his office. Not only he had a private line, but he was included – there’s a photo I have there – he was included on policy matters, on policy decisions. There’s a photo there in which the whole national security staff are around a big rectangular table in the book and deciding on Vietnam policy.
Brian Lamb
You say actually he managed bills in the Congress for the president?
David G. Dalin
Yes.
Brian Lamb
When he was on the court?
David G. Dalin
Yes, while he was on the court. He completely drafted LBJ’s 1966 state of the union message. It was written by Abe Fortas.
Brian Lamb
While he was on the court?
David G. Dalin
While he was on the court. In the photo that I have in my book, you have all the people, McNamara, McGeorge Bundy, et cetera, et cetera, and you have Abe Fortas sitting there on a major Vietnam policy decision which was, he shouldn’t have been there.Brian Lamb
When Brandeis was in the court, who did he advise?
David G. Dalin
Yes. Ah, OK. Brandeis both advised Wilson and he advised FDR. But in advising Wilson, he did that himself.David G. Dalin
In fact, he helped convince, among other things, the Wilson administration to support the Balfour Declaration which in 1917, a hundred years ago. But more important, when Wilson was out of office, he helped Wilson write what was kind of a new manifesto of the Democratic Party.
David G. Dalin
But what really became today would be unacceptable and the height of impropriety, in the 1930s he worked out a relationship and a deal with Frankfurter. Brandeis was a millionaire. Frankfurter struggled financially all of his life. “
https://www.c-span.org/video/?435820-1/qa-david-dalin
But there’s more: not only did Brandeis “offend propriety” in consulting with Wilson & FDR on policy matters while on the Supreme Court of the United States [nominally], he was doing so with the purpose of advancing projects in which he had a direct and substantial monetary interest, and also as the head of an organization that was collecting and investing even far larger sums in that financial project.
Here’s the evidence:
Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA)
https://www.jta.org/1929/11/26/archive/brandeis-resumes-active-interest-in-palestine-cause-joins-with-warburg-in-establishing-palestine-co
Brandeis Resumes Active Interest in Palestine Cause; Joins with Warburg in Establishing Palestine Co
“November 26, 1929 5:00am Justice Louis D. Brandeis yesterday broke the silence he had maintained since he ascended the bench of the Supreme Court in October, 1916, when he . . . joined with Felix M. Warburg and other notable leaders of the American Jewish community in formulating plans for the establishment of an economic corporation for Palestine.
The conference, held at the Hotel Mayflower, was called at the invitation of Mr. Warburg to meet with Justice Brandeis, Dr. Lee K. Frankel. Bernard Flexner and himself in order to consider practical possibilities for investments in Palestine. The conference unanimously decided to organize an American business corporation for the investment of funds with a view of furthering the economic development of Palestine.
{snip}
“We decided at Zurich that a financial corporation should be established. Under such conditions, and with the assurance of the English Government that life and property will be secure, we stated then that a number of us were prepared to invest a substantial amount. Lord Melchett agreed to subscribe $500,000, and I consented to subscribe a similar amount.
“
UF readers may find much more useful information in Brandeis’s speech at that Mayflower Hotel prom.
a bitter old codger, and your poetry cringeworthy, appears to have left a lasting scar on your psyche
Share-croppers in a cold December rain
A wadded clump of dollars obtained from their pain
Little tow-headed winking, blinking and nod
What values this God?
We’re singing in the rain
I’m singing in the rain
Little stair-steps from Heaven flung from the shack onto the side of the road to Hell
Ain’t that cute, an Angel ringing its bell
Share-croppers in a cold December rain
We’re singing in the rain
more here:
a fluff piece, (doesn’t even mention Jared Kushner and obfuscates by distracting with Trump ‘sarcastically’ asking Russia to find Hillary’s missing emails) but it fleshes this thing out a little more..
the Obama Justice Department was intensely interested in Flynn’s discussions with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak about policy issues — sanctions against Russia, a United Nations resolution on Israel — during the presidential transition, when Barack Obama was still in the White House and Donald Trump was preparing to take office.
so this gets more interesting. Because if the Trump team, led by Zio-boy Kushner, told Russia to back off on a UN resolution inconvenient to Israel, and the incoming Trump administration would relieve sanctions and even perhaps recognize the Crimea as Russian territory as a quid pro quo, then that is going to cause a lot of hand-wringing and cognitive dissonance in the hive.
How do you bring down (the viscerally hated) Trump, when he was acting with his Jewish son-in-law (in cahoots with Bibi) on behalf of Israel?!
Sure, you can bring down Flynn, but how do you destroy Trump while saving Jared? What if it was all Jared’s idea? What if Flynn was acting on Jared’s instructions?
And if you’re going to destroy Trump, then how can you go about it when it seems the only evidence that he may have broken laws (perhaps committed treason) was in service to Israel?
that’s what you call a conundrum
because as we all know, just about everyone in Washington DC commits treason routinely on behalf of Israel. In fact it’s considered polity de rigueur to do so with every vote and action and nuanced word. Fealty to all things Israel trumps everything else in DC. Committing treason on behalf of Israel is sine qua non for wielding any power whatsoever in Washington, DC.
How do you bring down a president, for doing what every president and administration and congress have done and continue to do.. for generations?
What a blessing you guys are!
Ours is a problem in which deception has become organized and strong; where truth is poisoned at its source; one in which the skill of the shrewdest brains is devoted to misleading a bewildered people.
-Walter Lippman, A Preface to Politics (1913), quoted in The Essential Lippmann, pp. 516-517
Treasonous perfidy!
What's the word I'm looking for... oh, yeah Chutzpah!
Jared Kushner Was Right To ‘Collude’ With Russia — Because He Did It For Israel
https://forward.com/opinion/national/388867/jared-kushner-was-right-to-collude-with-russia-because-he-did-it-for-israel/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1
What’s the word I’m looking for… oh, yeah Chutzpah!
Here’s a phrase.: Business as usual.
But hey, the article tells us Israel is our close ally…
However, he still had this weird neo-Viking faith in democracy and the ability of the system to heal itself.
That, my friend appears to be a huge Achilles’ heel for those fine folk.
I keep asking for the source of people’s faith and have never once received an answer. Now it seems to me it isn’t faith, but hope ,or wishful thinking. Still, I very much appreciate the efforts of those who do the work and run the risks it takes to find and share the truth.
So, why try to slow the decline.
I ask the same question and hope that exposing the truth hastens the decline because the system is supported by believers, who if they knew the truth, would hopefully tend to alter their beliefs and maybe withdraw their support if even just a bit.
In the long run, in any case, it all seems to run in cycles and there’s something about contributing in some miniscule way to the process.
Anyway, please comment more often!
What's the word I'm looking for... oh, yeah Chutzpah!
Jared Kushner Was Right To ‘Collude’ With Russia — Because He Did It For Israel
https://forward.com/opinion/national/388867/jared-kushner-was-right-to-collude-with-russia-because-he-did-it-for-israel/?attribution=home-hero-item-text-1
Actually it’s borderline treason…”conspiracy against the United States,” a crime that the Mueller investigation has discovered
so this gets more interesting. Because if the Trump team, led by Zio-boy Kushner, told Russia to back off on a UN resolution inconvenient to Israel, and the incoming Trump administration would relieve sanctions and even perhaps recognize the Crimea as Russian territory as a quid pro quo, then that is going to cause a lot of hand-wringing and cognitive dissonance in the hive.
the Obama Justice Department was intensely interested in Flynn's discussions with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak about policy issues — sanctions against Russia, a United Nations resolution on Israel — during the presidential transition, when Barack Obama was still in the White House and Donald Trump was preparing to take office.
In 1963, the Kennedy administration was secretly fighting Israel’s nuclear weapons development program and had even secretly ordered Israel’s top—and largely foreign funded—lobbying organization the American Zionist Council to register as a foreign agent and openly report its public relations and secret lobbying expenditures on behalf of Israel. When Kennedy was assassinated the following November and conspiracy theories about Russian and Cuban complicity began to swirl, nobody of significance speculated about possible Israeli connections. That is because—as has become the norm in such cases—the relevant and highly detailed government records about the administration’s initiative to keep Israel’s lobby in check were effectively kept bottled up, in this case classified as secret until 2008. The story of JFK’s fight against the Israeli nuclear program was similarly withheld from the public until fairly recently. Nevertheless, one outcome is clear. JFK’s assassination settled both issues.
I hear ya. Thanks.
I had to do a double take when I read this headline on Forward.com:
Jared Kushner Was Right To ‘Collude’ With Russia — Because He Did It For Israel
What’s the word I’m looking for… oh, yeah Chutzpah!
Here's a phrase.: Business as usual.
What’s the word I’m looking for… oh, yeah Chutzpah!
https://www.c-span.org/video/?435820-1/qa-david-dalinBut there's more: not only did Brandeis "offend propriety" in consulting with Wilson & FDR on policy matters while on the Supreme Court of the United States [nominally], he was doing so with the purpose of advancing projects in which he had a direct and substantial monetary interest, and also as the head of an organization that was collecting and investing even far larger sums in that financial project. Here's the evidence:Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA)
{Lamb had introduced the topic of Fortas]
"But I should say and this puts into context the notion of extrajudicial activities, which began with Brandeis and Frankfurter. When you're on the court, you're not supposed to be advising a president.
David G. Dalin
You're not supposed. It was said of Abe Fortas. And in my book I talk a lot about the situation with Brandeis and Frankfurter. It was said of Abe Fortas and he spent more time in the White House than he did in his Supreme Court chambers.
Brian Lamb
You say he had a private line to the White House from his desk in the Supreme Court?
David G. Dalin
From his desk, yes, in his office. Not only he had a private line, but he was included – there's a photo I have there – he was included on policy matters, on policy decisions. There's a photo there in which the whole national security staff are around a big rectangular table in the book and deciding on Vietnam policy.
Brian Lamb
You say actually he managed bills in the Congress for the president?
David G. Dalin
Yes.
Brian Lamb
When he was on the court?
David G. Dalin
Yes, while he was on the court. He completely drafted LBJ's 1966 state of the union message. It was written by Abe Fortas.
Brian Lamb
While he was on the court?
David G. Dalin
While he was on the court. In the photo that I have in my book, you have all the people, McNamara, McGeorge Bundy, et cetera, et cetera, and you have Abe Fortas sitting there on a major Vietnam policy decision which was, he shouldn't have been there.Brian Lamb
When Brandeis was in the court, who did he advise?
David G. Dalin
Yes. Ah, OK. Brandeis both advised Wilson and he advised FDR. But in advising Wilson, he did that himself.David G. Dalin
In fact, he helped convince, among other things, the Wilson administration to support the Balfour Declaration which in 1917, a hundred years ago. But more important, when Wilson was out of office, he helped Wilson write what was kind of a new manifesto of the Democratic Party.
David G. Dalin
But what really became today would be unacceptable and the height of impropriety, in the 1930s he worked out a relationship and a deal with Frankfurter. Brandeis was a millionaire. Frankfurter struggled financially all of his life. "
UF readers may find much more useful information in Brandeis's speech at that Mayflower Hotel prom.
"November 26, 1929 5:00am Justice Louis D. Brandeis yesterday broke the silence he had maintained since he ascended the bench of the Supreme Court in October, 1916, when he . . . joined with Felix M. Warburg and other notable leaders of the American Jewish community in formulating plans for the establishment of an economic corporation for Palestine.
The conference, held at the Hotel Mayflower, was called at the invitation of Mr. Warburg to meet with Justice Brandeis, Dr. Lee K. Frankel. Bernard Flexner and himself in order to consider practical possibilities for investments in Palestine. The conference unanimously decided to organize an American business corporation for the investment of funds with a view of furthering the economic development of Palestine.
{snip}
“We decided at Zurich that a financial corporation should be established. Under such conditions, and with the assurance of the English Government that life and property will be secure, we stated then that a number of us were prepared to invest a substantial amount. Lord Melchett agreed to subscribe $500,000, and I consented to subscribe a similar amount.
"
As usual you are correct on all accounts. What the Nazis did was nothing short of a miracle given all the odds against them including the fact that they had to resort to barter.
He is totally right about the redistributionist nature of the scheme (and the overall inefficiency of barter in general), but of course this has to be contrasted with the far stealthier, and much more egregious, redistribution that went on (and continues to go on) under the international banking cartel (operated then out of London, since the end of the war out of New York).
I have just returned from a visit to Germany. … I have now seen the famous German leader and also something of the great change he has effected. Whatever one may think of his methods — and they are certainly not those of a Parliamentary country — there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvellous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook.One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will, and a dauntless heart. He is the national Leader. He is also securing them against that constant dread of starvation which is one of the most poignant memories of the last years of the war and the first years of the Peace. The establishment of a German hegemony in Europe which was the aim and dream of the old prewar militarism, is not even on the horizon of Nazism.
-David Lloyd George, As quoted in The Daily Express (17 November 1936)
Excellent post
I met Philip Geraldi decades ago, and we agreed on nearly everything concerning the Jewish dominance of the United States. However, he still had this weird neo-Viking faith in democracy and the ability of the system to heal itself. He always believed that getting the truth out before the people would somehow help. I always thought this was like throwing Moses out and letting the people get on with their fetish with the Golden Calf. It has always seemed highly unlikely the Americans would do anything but take decadence on and on and on until it pissed away everything and blew itself out as a classic empire crashing. So, why try to slow the decline. The whole planet will be safer if the crash comes sooner rather than later, so every capable American should avoid doing anything that can sustain the madness. If you have any knowledge of foreign affairs, or any useful skills, run and hide.
However, he still had this weird neo-Viking faith in democracy and the ability of the system to heal itself.
I ask the same question and hope that exposing the truth hastens the decline because the system is supported by believers, who if they knew the truth, would hopefully tend to alter their beliefs and maybe withdraw their support if even just a bit.
So, why try to slow the decline.
Fighting the good fight - is invigorating – when you reach a certain awareness in life, there is nothing better. But there is more.
However, he still had this weird neo-Viking faith in democracy and the ability of the system to heal itself. He always believed that getting the truth out before the people would somehow help.
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http://www.unz.com/announcement/new-software-releaseopen-thread/#comment-1951614
In 1963, the Kennedy administration was secretly fighting Israel’s nuclear weapons development program and had even secretly ordered Israel’s top—and largely foreign funded—lobbying organization the American Zionist Council to register as a foreign agent and openly report its public relations and secret lobbying expenditures on behalf of Israel. When Kennedy was assassinated the following November and conspiracy theories about Russian and Cuban complicity began to swirl, nobody of significance speculated about possible Israeli connections. That is because—as has become the norm in such cases—the relevant and highly detailed government records about the administration’s initiative to keep Israel’s lobby in check were effectively kept bottled up, in this case classified as secret until 2008. The story of JFK’s fight against the Israeli nuclear program was similarly withheld from the public until fairly recently. Nevertheless, one outcome is clear. JFK’s assassination settled both issues.
Yes. The Mossad connection to the JFK assasination is overlooked, even among conspiracy theorists, here’s an important work:
So all the Russian collusion is a lot less interesting than the Israel collusion. The press likes to say that those who ascribe power to the Israel lobby are conspiracy theorists. Well, here’s your conspiracy to subvert U.S. policy. But it’s still the elephant in the room. No one’s going to have a problem with that.http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/guilty-plea-russian-influence/
“ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE MORE SERIOUS”
#Kushner ordered Flynn to contact every member of the UN Security Council to lobby them to veto an anti-Israeli settlements resolution Obama wasn’t going to veto. This is orders of magnitude more serious than what Flynn was accused of saying to Kislyak.
__________________________________ Gareth Porter
And from BuzzFeed – –
“Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, called Michael Flynn in December 2016 and told him to call members of the UN Security Council in an effort to stop a vote on a resolution critical of Israeli settlement policy, according to a person who was present in the room when Flynn took the call.”
One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.Winston Churchill Hitler and His Choice
From Haaretz, ( I do admire Israel in one aspect. It appears to have a much freer press than the U.S.):According to Spiegel Online's article on the book, the 20-year-old Kennedy pondered on August 3, 1937: What are the evils of fascism compared to communism? On August 21 he added that the Germans had been ganged up on.Even after the war in Europe, Kennedy reportedly had positive things to say about Hitler. According to Spiegel, on August 1, 1945,[Kennedy wrote that he could] imagine how Hitler would be recognized as one of the most important people who ever lived. Another time, he wrote that there was something mysterious about Hitler – that he was made of the stuff of legends.http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/did-john-f-kennedy-admire-hitler.premium-1.525719
Speaking of JFK, here’s an excerpt from Grant Smith’s Big Israel: How Israel’s Lobby Moves America:
In 1963, the Kennedy administration was secretly fighting Israel’s nuclear weapons development program and had even secretly ordered Israel’s top—and largely foreign funded—lobbying organization the American Zionist Council to register as a foreign agent and openly report its public relations and secret lobbying expenditures on behalf of Israel. When Kennedy was assassinated the following November and conspiracy theories about Russian and Cuban complicity began to swirl, nobody of significance speculated about possible Israeli connections. That is because—as has become the norm in such cases—the relevant and highly detailed government records about the administration’s initiative to keep Israel’s lobby in check were effectively kept bottled up, in this case classified as secret until 2008. The story of JFK’s fight against the Israeli nuclear program was similarly withheld from the public until fairly recently. Nevertheless, one outcome is clear. JFK’s assassination settled both issues.
http://www.justice-integrity.org/880-understanding-hollywood-style-presidential-propaganda-from-jfk-to-trump
Indeed, the Dallas Morning News published a column on the morning of the JFK murder headlined, "Nixon Predicts JFK May Drop Johnson," based on speech by former GOP Vice President Richard Nixon in Dallas the previous day citing reasons for the president to discard the scandal-tainted Johnson from the Democratic ticket before the 1964 presidential election.
http://jfkfacts.org/billy-sol-estes-leaves-the-stage-claimed-lbj-killed-jfk-and-others/
As his multi-million dollar empire began to fall apart in 1962, the well-connected Estes became a political liability to the Kennedy administration. President Kennedy himself had to publicly say that the Justice Dept. would get to the bottom of the Estes shenanigans.
Yet, as investigators dug into his labyrinthine schemes, they ended up dead — seven of them in fact; the majority dubiously ruled to be suicide. One victim’s “suicide” included five shots from a bolt action rifle.
[...]
Among Estes’ legacies: the allegation that Lyndon Johnson orchestrated the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32204484.pdf
“On September 16, 1965, this same source reported that the KGB Residency in New York City received instructions approximately September 16, 1965, from KGB headquarters in Moscow to develop all possible information concerning President Lyndon B. Johnson's character, background...
Our source added that in the instructions from Moscow, it was indicated that “now” the KGB was in possession of data purporting to indicate President Johnson was responsible for the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy...”
The following, which was cited by Moon of Alabama, is from the NY Times –
Mr. Mueller’s investigators have learned through witnesses and documents that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel asked the Trump transition team to lobby other countries to help Israel, according to two people briefed on the inquiry. Investigators have learned that Mr. Flynn and Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, took the lead in those efforts. Mr. Mueller’s team has emails that show Mr. Flynn saying he would work to kill the vote, the people briefed on the matter said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html
Even so, since most folk only read the headline, [“Michael Flynn Pleads Guilty to Lying to the F.B.I. and Will Cooperate With Russia Inquiry“] only a concerted effort will keep the key point – Israeli interference and Trump/Kushner collusion with Israel – from being swept under the rug. Can we look forward to another letter to the editor in Scranton? 😉
You are welcome!
I’m not a huge fan of his either, but in this case he was correct, as I suspect you suspect!
Churchill and JFK also said similar things about him, but of course Churchill hedged a bit. The squirrelly bastard!
One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.
Winston Churchill Hitler and His Choice
From Haaretz, ( I do admire Israel in one aspect. It appears to have a much freer press than the U.S.):
According to Spiegel Online’s article on the book, the 20-year-old Kennedy pondered on August 3, 1937: What are the evils of fascism compared to communism? On August 21 he added that the Germans had been ganged up on.
Even after the war in Europe, Kennedy reportedly had positive things to say about Hitler. According to Spiegel, on August 1, 1945,[Kennedy wrote that he could] imagine how Hitler would be recognized as one of the most important people who ever lived. Another time, he wrote that there was something mysterious about Hitler – that he was made of the stuff of legends.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/did-john-f-kennedy-admire-hitler.premium-1.525719
In 1963, the Kennedy administration was secretly fighting Israel’s nuclear weapons development program and had even secretly ordered Israel’s top—and largely foreign funded—lobbying organization the American Zionist Council to register as a foreign agent and openly report its public relations and secret lobbying expenditures on behalf of Israel. When Kennedy was assassinated the following November and conspiracy theories about Russian and Cuban complicity began to swirl, nobody of significance speculated about possible Israeli connections. That is because—as has become the norm in such cases—the relevant and highly detailed government records about the administration’s initiative to keep Israel’s lobby in check were effectively kept bottled up, in this case classified as secret until 2008. The story of JFK’s fight against the Israeli nuclear program was similarly withheld from the public until fairly recently. Nevertheless, one outcome is clear. JFK’s assassination settled both issues.
Geokat
I try and take the “Elephant’s” room temperature, follow it’s moves, but P.G. casts special light on the big beast and brings the thunder upon it.
Thanks for the Weiss article link!
Even so, since most folk only read the headline, ["Michael Flynn Pleads Guilty to Lying to the F.B.I. and Will Cooperate With Russia Inquiry"] only a concerted effort will keep the key point - Israeli interference and Trump/Kushner collusion with Israel - from being swept under the rug. Can we look forward to another letter to the editor in Scranton? ;)
Mr. Mueller’s investigators have learned through witnesses and documents that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel asked the Trump transition team to lobby other countries to help Israel, according to two people briefed on the inquiry. Investigators have learned that Mr. Flynn and Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, took the lead in those efforts. Mr. Mueller’s team has emails that show Mr. Flynn saying he would work to kill the vote, the people briefed on the matter said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html
As usual you are correct on all accounts. What the Nazis did was nothing short of a miracle given all the odds against them including the fact that they had to resort to barter.
He is totally right about the redistributionist nature of the scheme (and the overall inefficiency of barter in general), but of course this has to be contrasted with the far stealthier, and much more egregious, redistribution that went on (and continues to go on) under the international banking cartel (operated then out of London, since the end of the war out of New York).
I have just returned from a visit to Germany. … I have now seen the famous German leader and also something of the great change he has effected. Whatever one may think of his methods — and they are certainly not those of a Parliamentary country — there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvellous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook.One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will, and a dauntless heart. He is the national Leader. He is also securing them against that constant dread of starvation which is one of the most poignant memories of the last years of the war and the first years of the Peace. The establishment of a German hegemony in Europe which was the aim and dream of the old prewar militarism, is not even on the horizon of Nazism.
-David Lloyd George, As quoted in The Daily Express (17 November 1936)
Thanks for that. I don’t know how much trust I put in Lloyd George though– he was incredibly corrupt as shown by his involvement in the Marconi scandal among other things!
One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.Winston Churchill Hitler and His Choice
From Haaretz, ( I do admire Israel in one aspect. It appears to have a much freer press than the U.S.):According to Spiegel Online's article on the book, the 20-year-old Kennedy pondered on August 3, 1937: What are the evils of fascism compared to communism? On August 21 he added that the Germans had been ganged up on.Even after the war in Europe, Kennedy reportedly had positive things to say about Hitler. According to Spiegel, on August 1, 1945,[Kennedy wrote that he could] imagine how Hitler would be recognized as one of the most important people who ever lived. Another time, he wrote that there was something mysterious about Hitler – that he was made of the stuff of legends.http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/did-john-f-kennedy-admire-hitler.premium-1.525719
Hey (S)hamster,
Let’s perform a play.
I’ll be Sterquilinus and you can be Cloacina.
Hey did you see Avnery’s latest? It warms the dingleberries of my heart; I’m bitter no more since he’s admitting what I’ve been saying for decades. Try to keep up. OK?
Some excerpts.:
When I was a schoolboy in (then) Palestine, everything we learned was soaked with a profound contempt for “exile Jews”, those Jews everywhere who preferred to stay in the Diaspora. They were definitely much inferior to us.
The climax was reached by a small group in the early 1940s, who were nicknamed “Canaanites”. They proclaimed that we were a new nation altogether, the Hebrew nation, and that we had nothing to do with Jews anywhere. When the full scope of the Holocaust became [invented], these voices were lowered, but not silenced.
THE ANTI-SEMITES, on their part, always preferred the Zionists to other Jews.
Israelis secretly despise American Jews…Unfortunately, the relationship creates more and more problems which cannot be hidden anymore…THE BASIC trouble is that the entire relationship between Israelis and Diaspora Jews is built on a lie: the belief that they are the same people. They are not.
-Uri Avnery, King and Emperor, 02/12/17
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1512137281/
I guess we dumb goyim are not the only ones to suffer Zionist contempt. Is there anyone youse guys don’t hate?
Israelum delenda est.
He is totally right about the redistributionist nature of the scheme (and the overall inefficiency of barter in general), but of course this has to be contrasted with the far stealthier, and much more egregious, redistribution that went on (and continues to go on) under the international banking cartel (operated then out of London, since the end of the war out of New York).
As usual you are correct on all accounts. What the Nazis did was nothing short of a miracle given all the odds against them including the fact that they had to resort to barter.
I have just returned from a visit to Germany. … I have now seen the famous German leader and also something of the great change he has effected. Whatever one may think of his methods — and they are certainly not those of a Parliamentary country — there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvellous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook.
One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will, and a dauntless heart. He is the national Leader. He is also securing them against that constant dread of starvation which is one of the most poignant memories of the last years of the war and the first years of the Peace. The establishment of a German hegemony in Europe which was the aim and dream of the old prewar militarism, is not even on the horizon of Nazism.
-David Lloyd George, As quoted in The Daily Express (17 November 1936)
Look forward to it, Phil.
What makes you think he has a beard?
So all the Russian collusion is a lot less interesting than the Israel collusion. The press likes to say that those who ascribe power to the Israel lobby are conspiracy theorists. Well, here’s your conspiracy to subvert U.S. policy. But it’s still the elephant in the room. No one’s going to have a problem with that.http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/guilty-plea-russian-influence/
I will be writing about this for Tuesday!
For those who are still having difficulty seeing elephants in the room, here is an excerpt from Philip Weiss’ excellent article, Flynn’s plea on Russian influence reveals… Israel’s influence!
So all the Russian collusion is a lot less interesting than the Israel collusion. The press likes to say that those who ascribe power to the Israel lobby are conspiracy theorists. Well, here’s your conspiracy to subvert U.S. policy. But it’s still the elephant in the room. No one’s going to have a problem with that.
http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/guilty-plea-russian-influence/
And from BuzzFeed - -
#Kushner ordered Flynn to contact every member of the UN Security Council to lobby them to veto an anti-Israeli settlements resolution Obama wasn't going to veto. This is orders of magnitude more serious than what Flynn was accused of saying to Kislyak.
__________________________________ Gareth Porter
"Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, called Michael Flynn in December 2016 and told him to call members of the UN Security Council in an effort to stop a vote on a resolution critical of Israeli settlement policy, according to a person who was present in the room when Flynn took the call."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/it-was-kushner-who-told-flynn-to-make-calls-about-israel-un?utm_term=.gq3RO0LyZD#.raLAEbZ6WP
Quod non capis...
nemo philosophus es, stultus;
barba non facit philosophum,
Stercus, neque te Latini;
si intelligatur sciretis,
veritas veritatis
sic luceat lux
I guess we dumb goyim are not the only ones to suffer Zionist contempt. Is there anyone youse guys don't hate?Israelum delenda est.
When I was a schoolboy in (then) Palestine, everything we learned was soaked with a profound contempt for "exile Jews", those Jews everywhere who preferred to stay in the Diaspora. They were definitely much inferior to us.The climax was reached by a small group in the early 1940s, who were nicknamed "Canaanites". They proclaimed that we were a new nation altogether, the Hebrew nation, and that we had nothing to do with Jews anywhere. When the full scope of the Holocaust became [invented], these voices were lowered, but not silenced.THE ANTI-SEMITES, on their part, always preferred the Zionists to other Jews.
Israelis secretly despise American Jews… Unfortunately, the relationship creates more and more problems which cannot be hidden anymore…THE BASIC trouble is that the entire relationship between Israelis and Diaspora Jews is built on a lie: the belief that they are the same people. They are not.-Uri Avnery, King and Emperor, 02/12/17
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1512137281/
You mean donmeh? KSA may not be too far off as well (and of course, the Israeli-Saudi alliance is the worst-kept secret in the ME anyway):
and let's not forget who unleashed the stone age orcs of ISIS to rape, torture and murder their way across the Greater Levant ~ ~ treacherous Jews and power-crazed (Saudi and Turkic) Muslims in the Holy Land Putin ~ as crusader http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YALTJ1HDIyo/UPeBnllQ32I/AAAAAAAAe7o/bXc0kSD-aWI/s1600/chrisitan+armies.jpgand why not?has he not ended the serial slaughter of innocent Christians and others by murderous, power-crazed Muslims and treacherous Jews in the Holy Land?
Russia today, as it slaughters -with a flaming Christian sword- the stone age orcs of ISIS.
Saudis and Turks are not Muslims
One Wahhabi, other Donneh
Agree
Well, I meant the entirety of Rothbard’s discussion, which provides important context of the overall monetary crisis at the time. (You are entirely right about the enormous number of great books the Mises Institute offers on line for free, they are doing heroic work here.) Mises discussion is interesting as well, thanks for highlighting. He is totally right about the redistributionist nature of the scheme (and the overall inefficiency of barter in general), but of course this has to be contrasted with the far stealthier, and much more egregious, redistribution that went on (and continues to go on) under the international banking cartel (operated then out of London, since the end of the war out of New York).
As usual you are correct on all accounts. What the Nazis did was nothing short of a miracle given all the odds against them including the fact that they had to resort to barter.
He is totally right about the redistributionist nature of the scheme (and the overall inefficiency of barter in general), but of course this has to be contrasted with the far stealthier, and much more egregious, redistribution that went on (and continues to go on) under the international banking cartel (operated then out of London, since the end of the war out of New York).
I have just returned from a visit to Germany. … I have now seen the famous German leader and also something of the great change he has effected. Whatever one may think of his methods — and they are certainly not those of a Parliamentary country — there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvellous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook.One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will, and a dauntless heart. He is the national Leader. He is also securing them against that constant dread of starvation which is one of the most poignant memories of the last years of the war and the first years of the Peace. The establishment of a German hegemony in Europe which was the aim and dream of the old prewar militarism, is not even on the horizon of Nazism.
-David Lloyd George, As quoted in The Daily Express (17 November 1936)
PS: No one has stepped up to answer my question as to why anyone would support both Jews and Israel. Makes about as much sense as cultivating a garden while spraying it with 2,4D.Yo, trolls! Please do try to keep up! Remember to invest wisely. And stay humble, (like me). Listen to the old guys, punks!Cheerio chaps! (And remember to wear 'em when mounting yer steeds.)
Yermiya became famous for an antiwar book he published in 1982 called My War Diary, and today he is remembered for a letter he wrote in 2009, quoted by Uri Avnery.I, a 95 year old Sabra (native born Israeli Jew), who has plowed its fields, planted trees, built a house and fathered sons, grandsons and great-grandsons, and also shed his blood in the battle for the founding of the State of Israel,
Declare herewith that I renounce my belief in the Zionism which has failed, that I shall not be loyal to the Jewish fascist state and its mad visions, that I shall not sing anymore its nationalist anthem, that I shall stand at attention only on the days of mourning for those fallen on both sides in the wars, and that I look with a broken heart at an Israel that is committing suicide and at the three generations of offspring that I have bred and raised in it.Dov Yermiya, who said, ‘I renounce my belief in Zionism which has failed,’ dies at 101
By Phil Weiss
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/dov-yermiya-who-said-i-renounce-my-belief-in-zionism-which-has-failed-dies-at-101/
Cheerio chaps! (And remember to wear ‘em when mounting yer steeds.)
Are you advocating bestiality?
Otherwise, great post!
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