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Secession. Sorry.

The US of A will balkanize. There is plenty of space for five or so new countries. Succession is more doable than revolution and makes more sense. Bring the government closer to home. Keep an eye on it. Let public hanging be the punishment for corruption.

I’m all for it. They will recognize their time could be better spent in a real job, paying more than $2/hr.
Nothing for nothing.

I kinda appreciate the gun nuts right now about the right to bear arms. we just might need it in the future.

Violent revolution throughout the West and the complete elimination of the One Percent is another possible outcome.

It appears that they’ve anticipated that and are one step ahead of the curve on this one. The gradual militarization of police forces over the years on down to even the small local ones, SWAT teams becoming ubiquitous, sniper training for everyone with a badge, surplus military equipment being handed off to the police, the security state with it’s all-encompassing snooping, the tentacles have been tightening for years. In addition the culture has been manipulated to induce the public to go along with all this out of fear, ‘terrorism’ being the current bogeyman. Cop shows galore with valiant forces of the law smashing ‘bad guys’; civil liberties must be ignored for our own safety is the message. ‘If you see something say something’ is the current theme song of the snitch culture.
The people on top have absolutely no intention of relinquishing their position. Just look around and it becomes apparent that they’ve been preparing for years, just in case. They know what’s coming. They’ll use everyone’s tax dollars to pay the mercenaries who’ll be in charge of suppressing the selfsame taxpayers. People will be paying for their own jailers. That’s their stroke of genius.

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.” – Thomas Jefferson, Aug. 30, 1787.

To the NSA: Please store this email as evidence of intent to incite “terrorism” to be used in a future secret “trial”, that my patriot blood may be shed to water the tree.

It works like this; power is bought by campaign contributions, expensive campaigns convince gullible voters that the candidate cares about and will care for the citizen voter, and, when elected the candidate now legislator/executive is beholden to the contributor, not the voter.
When it gets untenable the political system is “reformed” sans real change and the other team operating under the same system takes over.

The only answer is the diminishment of government such that it’s not worth paying for influence and control. Of course in time the old system will reassert itself unless the people take personal responsibility.

Violent revolution throughout the West and the complete elimination of the One Percent is another possible outcome.

I do not doubt that it will be attempted. You should not doubt that it will be co-opted by those in power. Some financiers (supposedly the 1%) may be thrown to the wolves, but that will be window dressing.

We now have an urban population totally dependent on the wheels of commerce turning. 18-wheelers must deliver food to the back of the grocery and the people must go in the front with a piece of plastic that allows them to exit with same.

The revolution will not last long. Once people are hungry enough they will clamor for a strong hand to bring order and deliver the goods. Then, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

The only way things will change is after we go back to being a more self-reliant people. That will not happen until the population is reduced. Nature bats last.

I am close friends with someone who works for a social service agency that is a subcontractor to the State which in turn implements Federal policy regarding Food Stamp qualification and the like. Her job is to monitor food stamp recipients and ensure compliance with state and federal law.

Soon to be implemented is a policy which will require that all single, childless persons who have received food stamps for more than 3 months will, in order to continue receiving (approx) $185 of food stamp benefits per month, have to find “employment” as volunteers somewhere in the workforce for 90(?) hours per month. The numbers are close but not exact. The takeaway is that the effective pay rate is $2 per hour.

They are called “volunteers”, but compliance is mandatory if one wishes to continue to receive benefits. The agency will not help recipients in their job search. It is entirely up to each individual to locate a prospective employer, present themselves to them and convince that employer to take them on as “volunteers”–despite any faults they may have from having erred in their pasts, such as DWIs, felonies etc. that would limit their likelihood as candidates for employment.

$2/hour. Re-enserfment indeed.

So there it is, the fulfillment of the prophesy that outsourcing and dropping all tariffs would result in the convergence of wage scales between the United States’ and Chinese work forces. To paraphrase Pogo, “We have met the future, and it is now”.

The Parliament of Whores–er, uh, Congress–is the best that money can buy.

Good column. Americans appear to have almost no power over the laws anyways-even when Congress, instead of a corporation, make them.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

What a load!!! The only one (and at home by mass killing its citizen with crazy police forces) creating havoc in the world with their monstrous and genocidal policies is the murderous US of A. Killing killing killing!!!! Since the massacres of 54 millions bisons and of most Natives, little has changed in fascist amerikkkkka!
A grotesque killing machine nowadays, not unlike nazi Germany.

Thanks for sharing that video, Hrw-500. It is definitely interesting stuff.

I’ve actually seen that video along with a bunch of other Brother Nathaniel’s videos, but you have to take everything that he says with a grain of salt because of his misdirection of blaming the Jewish religion and the fact that he tries to stoke anti-semitism instead of blaming the real culprit. The political ideology of Zionism. Just like Alex Jones and David Icke who both will give you truths or half-truths and then take it to whole other levels of Crazy to make it seem like the truths are un-true, Brother Nathaniel is controlled opposition.

To me, what gives him away as a double-agent, along with his misdirection, is that he wears TWO crosses around his neck that are highlighted in the beginning of EVERY video by a flash.

Two crosses = a double-cross

Some may call me crazy and say that I’m making strained connections, but I’ve never seen an Orthodox Christian wearing a double-cross and I don’t think that it’s mere coincidence that he highlights them in every video. He’s entertaining and brings up some good points, but I don’t trust him and his misdirecting double-crossing ways.

Speaking of coup d’état, I spotted that video althought it’s not TPP related but he might have some interesting points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwXiktrgGx0

. Yes, I have read the whole report and the even longer technical appendices. The report was the responsibility of the Dutch Safety Board, although they drew upon input from a number of other countries, not only the ones you mentioned but others, including the USA, Germany and Poland.

It is not the qualifications of the report writers that is the problem. They chose to include some material and more importantly exclude other material. Some refused to provide relevant data, and the most important of these was the USA who refused to provide its satellite data. The Russians were more forthcoming, eg. their 21 July 2014 press conference, and the previously classified material from the BUK manufacturer, but I think the evidence strongly suggests that they have not released all their data either.

One of the unspoken issues is the agreement of 8 August 2014 between Australia, Belgium, Netherlands and Ukraine that provided that nothing would be in the report that all four (and later Malaysia) countries did not agree with. That gave the prime suspect, Ukraine, an effective veto.

One of best sources of material on this issue is John Helmer’s website, Dances with Bears which I suggest you read carefully.

Thank you for planting an idea. Australia’s federal government would be constitutionally bound to pay adequate compensation (“just terms”) if it compulsorily acquired property of any kind. So it could presumably find some constitutional head of power to justify use of Australia’s equivalent of eminent domain for any IP but would then have to pay judicially assessed compensation which would at least give some weight to future profits foregone on the assumption that e.g. the IP could have been taken advantage of in Australia – in the case of drugs because they would be approved for government reimbursement. But…. no such constitutional restrictions apply to the states. Any protection would have to be written into the treaty. I suspect that it has been thought of….

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If the TPP is a legit treaty and not a invitation to a economic and cultural ass r**ing, it would be open to public scrutiny. It’s not and that’s a serious concern. Because it means the political and corporate elites are planning something bad for us.

SOPA is part of TPP. hahahahahaa.

how do you like it now guys? fuck the govt.

TPP is a snare to entangle other countries in the La Brea Tar Pits of America’s Intellectual Property system.

A good way to circumvent Intellectual Property is through Eminent domain

The property may be taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties, who will devote it to public or civic use or, in some cases, to economic development.

How about a column that explores the idea of extending Eminent domain to Intellectual Property?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

Great video thanks the the post.

This sounds mad to me. I have trouble taking seriously someone whose grasp of the relevant terminology us so slight.

What “bill” (sic)?

There is a draft treaty it seems and the secrecy of the negotiations rouses suspicion but there is no bill before any legislature unless you are referring in a confused way to the President getting fast track authority for what may eventually be the treaty to be voted on.

There seems to be some confusion in the linked article between the TPP and the similar proposed deal with Europe. It is indeed very diificult to see Malaysia agreeing to outlaw BDS.

If you have sobered up from the drink you used to settle your temper after a bad day you might care to switch on logic and even end up apologising. Just some of the clues….

“Working to shaft us[sic]”. Who is “us”? You may think TPP bad for America although the case has been long since made that the globalisation which has sent manufacturing offshore was the product of much earlier policies. But there are many countries involved with, you as an insular American may be surprised to learn, different interests and different perspectives.

You don’t seem to construe plain English very well if you can’t see what my “even though…” qualification implies added to the plain truth that only the obtuse, stupid or drunk could overlook, namely that a person can be, indeed normally is, respected for qualities if character like honesty so that there is not much implied about a person’s ultimate contribution to the good of (some part of) mankind – and the relationship to “credibility” is tenuous to say the least even if you use of “credibility” as you did was better than a clumsy solecism.
PS You don’t sound like a pseudo-intellectual and I doubt if you could if you tried because you wouldn’t recognise high standard intellectualism if you came across it though I should qualify that if your silly and offensive comment was indeed alcohol fuelled.

I ask this in no combative spirit; merely to find out if there is someone I can rely on: have you read the whole report and if not how much of it and why not the rest?

Who were the actual people from Holland, Russia, Ukraine, Belgium, Malaysia and Australia (I think I have that list right) involved in making the report a d do you see a problem about their qualifications?

Welcome back to the world of commentary Mr van Wolferen. You have been absent too long. As a Dutch resident would you now like to turn your analytical eye to the farcical report of the Dutch Safety Board into the shooting down of MH17?

Neither China nor Russia will participate in the TPP. Will the TPP have any meaning after the collapse of the Anglo/Zio Empire? If not why worry about it?

“Once upon a time copyright was meant to provide protection to authors for a set number of years. Then it was applied in a broader way to works of art in general. This made sense, and was in line with the thinking behind patents for industrial inventions. But it has long since become exploitative.”

Another way to put this is that you have civilizations, cultures, genomes, and regimes that are grounded in producing actual things, and those that are grounded in profiting by turning those things into abstractions.

The conversion of everything into real estate and a rentier regime is well covered by Michael Hudson.

http://michael-hudson.com/

Unfortunately he doesn’t seem to have awakened yet to HBD issues.

“even though I know Australia’s minister in charge of TPP negotiations well enough to respect him.”
You lost all credibility with that one statement.You respect a man who is actively working to shaft us. You sound like a pseudo- intellectual to me.

@Hendrick – How funny you expect people to believe a crook who claims he is not a crook!!

Seriously? All that trouble for diamonds and pharmaceuticals?

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/middle-east/north-africa/israel

These political accords prove why businesses need to seek protection from unpredictable and changing politicians and whimsical populaces.

The so-called Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) has nothing to do with establishing trade partnership with foreign countries. It’s a political bill authored by AIPAC to protect illegal Jewish settlements by forbidding signatories of TPP to boycott Israeli goods.

The bill with its hidden clauses gives the US president the power to negotiate the TPP trade deal without public scrutiny – require the president make combatting any boycott of the Zionist entity a principle trade objective and would require the president to report to Congress on any business that are participating in such boycotts. Watch a video below in which a US official explains TPP’s ‘secret clauses’.

Interestingly, the language of the bill specially includes “territories controlled by the state of Israel” – that is, territories occupied by the Jewish army during June 1967, which no country in world including United States, recognizes as part of Israel.

http://rehmat1.com/2015/07/28/tpp-serves-israels-interests/

TPP = Trans-Pacific Plunder

All this is easily understood. But it still leaves us with the puzzle of why Asians as well as Europeans, whose EU trade commissioners have been mouthing the same job creating nonsense around the TTIP that has come with the TPP, appear unable to tackle intellectually the dominant power aspects of these treaties.

As Upton Sinclair once explained, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

Free trade does not require an “agreement”.

The secrecy behind this says it all.

What are they hiding from the public?

“The most transparent administration in history” Oh yeah.

https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/why-is-the-tpp-still-a-secret/

A lot of experience of politics and politicians has not led me to trust those negotiating the TPP even though I know Australia’s minister in charge of TPP negotiations well enough to respect him.

The author seems puzzled that the US has managed to sell the TPP to so many countries (even if not yet to Congress). But that’s not puzzling if you think of the politics and psychology involved. Each negotiating party is going to have something they can boast about even if it is as feeble a claim as having got access to the US market opened up for Australian sugar and beef producers over a considerable number of years.

The author does sound well informed but it would be a help if he fleshed out the evidence of actual as opposed to presumed motivations. For example, as one who is suspicious of provisions for investor state dispute resolution (and conscious of the very expensive case brought by Philip Morris against the Australian government im Hong Kong) I can nonetheless understand why business might want protection against straightforward or devious government action which changed the goal posts or upset the level playing field. I have little faith in US lawyers and courts and most other countries’ systems would probably be worse if governments decided to behave deviously and damagingly to honest investors.

As the author notes, and Laurence Summers did before him, there is little freeing up of trade in the TPP but there are other objectives pushed hard for as in the case of Intellectual Property. The ridiculous length of Copyright protection is the real scandal. Already the “Mickey Mouse” clause that Disney got into the 2004 US-Australia (so called) Free Trade Agreement has given rise to an unjustified extradition of an Australian who had never been to the US where he got the usual banged-up-till-plea-deal coercive treatment. The author is undoubtedly right that what is proposed will make the weak the prey of legal leeches imposing burdens of cost that they cannot bear.

The Chinese Fifth Column is breeding on Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space. The Chinese Fifth Column bought, and now owns the “US” Congress.
Now you understand the political economy behind TPP…

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GREAT article! Thank you for writing this Mr. Wolferen and helping to bring much needed attention to this disaster in the making. The MainStreamMedia’s total silence on this issue is deafening.

This trade deal is a global corporate coup d’etat of America. It is ALL about our national sovereignty, which will NOT exist if Congress passes it. This TPP is the Judicial Branch of a World Governance that will be run by International Corporation Tribunals with NO allegiance to America and whose rulings will take precedence over US laws.

This TPP trade deal hands our national sovereignty over to International Courts through ISDS tribunals. The highest court in this land will no longer be the Supreme Court. The highest court in this land will be the International ISDS tribunals with absolutely NO accountability to US citizens at ALL.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kill-the-dispute-settlement-language-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership/2015/02/25/ec7705a2-bd1e-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html

https://www.popularresistance.org/the-plan-behind-the-tpp-to-destroy-national-sovereignty/

http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/02/04/corporate-coup-detat/

http://action.citizen.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=12496

Free trade, always worth reviewing Sir James Goldsmith’s opinions.

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc0504/article_480.shtml

From what little leaks we have heard these two treaties sound as bad as the secrecy and drafters involved would imply.

now why’d a nice girl like jp get into bed with the slimly snake ?

here’s an article about jp,
no, more than an article, its a historical fact,
that jp also targeted civilians in its imperial wars,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1135368.stm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42797.htm

perhaps beneath its aesthetic culture and art, exquisite mannerism, jp is no different from the unitedsnake, ruthless, predatory and unrependent ?

So basically Abe wants to establish The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere 2.0

wow, u manage to dig up a *scoop* !
hehehe

but pray tell, what are u getting at ?

p.s.

1]
by changing subject,
i take it that u’r conceding all your previous rants are bs. ?

2]
here’s some tips for u , a newbie,
anybody can enter some words in a search engine and rake up millions of hits,
how to separate the wheat from the chaffs is another matter.

to wit,
what u brandish here is a book review from [expired] uber sinophobe jonathan mirsky,
thats not evidence of anything at all,
its at most an accusation from mirsky and his ilks, at worst a smear job.
knowing the man, i suspect the second scenario !

lemme show u what constitute a proof, irrefutable, verifiable proof.
here’s is proof positive that unitedsnake deliberately target civilians in ex yugo, afghan, iraq, africa, nam,.
Q.E.D.
http://www.swans.com/library/art7/gowans11.html

hope this helps.

An article on China.

All this stuff about ‘blood-thirsty’.

I mean, come on.

Yes, Deng has blood on his hands, but should a scholar resort to such hyperbole?

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/oct/22/bloodthirsty-deng-we-didnt-know/

Cheapens an otherwise interesting article.

pissfactory,

dispute the following if u can, else shut up and stop spewing nonsense !
*****************************

ming dynasty,
jp terrorised chinese coastal towns.

1894,
jp robbed tw, diaoyu off china.

1900,
jp partook in the rape of beijing,

ww2,
jp invaded china, committed genocides including
the rape of nanjing, unit 731…

1972
deng xiao ping suggested shelving the diaoyu issue, both countries to move forward on reconciliation.

2008,
china suggested joint development of oil resources in ecs,

the world’s no1 trouble maker, aka the pro arsonist unitedsnake , who make its living igniting sparks all over the world, was no doubt horrified by the imminent threat of peace …..
a peaceful world means the snake would be out of work !
it doesnt take too long for the snake to strike….

2010
with unitedsnake’s goading, jp broke the gentlemen agreement with deng xiao ping to shelve the diaoyu issue, declared the isle as absolute sovereign, arrested chinese fishing boat captain , who had been operating in the vicinity hitherto unmolested.

2012
jp up the ante with *purchase* of the diaoyu

2013,
abe staged a foto op, sitting in a fighter with 731 marking, a clear *in your face* provocation to china.

2014
jp commissioned its first defacto aircraft carrier, named after the flagship of ww2 invasion fleet to china,
the izumo, an obvious follow up to the 731 taunting,

2015,
abe again kowtow to washington, followed obama’s dictat to dump article 9 of the constitution,
thus setting the jp army free to fight on foreign land once more,

another aircraft carrier was launched,
its named after the aircraft carrier kaga, which took part in the invasion of china,
must be just another *coincidence* , hehehe !
*Its features have led some to conclude that it is meant singularly or primarily for direction against China, specifically for anti-submarine warfare.*

is this your idea of jp *making nice* with china ???
all this while, jp and its echo chamber in the murkkan msm keep scolding china of *harping on history* !

so when jp former fm taro aso complained to the indians that
*jp didnt have good relation with china for the past centuries till this day,* ! [sic]
and
pissfactory here blame china’s *belligerence* which drove jp to the unitedsnake,

its classic ROBBER CRYING OUT ROBBERY my dear. !!!
this has been the unitedsnake’s signature m.o.,
looks like it’s rubbed onto the jp.
just goes to show that when u lie down with dogs…….
[my apology to the canine family]

“First you underestimate the arrogance not to say delusionality of the Japanese right. Every bit of logic told them that it wasn’t feasible for them to go to war against the United States to begin with, but they attacked Pearl Harbor anyway.”

Puke of Queer, you make me laugh long time. You so delusional you not understand what I say.

First, Japanese Right of today so very different from Japanese right of pre-war. New Japanese right since end of war develop with pragmatism and sense of dependence. They not so ideological. They realistic and develop in dependence to US. So, it very different from pre-war Japanese right. What today’s Japanese Right want is more pride and freedom of action. It not seek dominate Asia or Pacific. New Japanese right understand US and China now the big powers. They only want Japan to be more proud and have more elbow space.

But China act bad, so Japan now turn more to America. It same old game. But US play game too. Remember in 80s, many Americans fear fast rise of Japan. Then, US say China is good guy and treat china like most favor nation. But when Japanese economy go down and China go up, US now fear China and say weaker Japan is good guy. It just realpolitik. It not delusional.
But China not play realpolitik but play big and tough, and this scare Japan.

Also, Pearl Harbor now look stupid but not look entirely stupid back then. In 1941, Japan so sure that Germany defeat Russia soon. Also, Japan think Americans so anti-war and unwilling to fight that if attacked and scared at Pearl Harbor, US back down. Japan misread US psychology big time, but it seemed logical at time cuz anti-war passion so high in US. Japanese knew US bigger country with more power and industry. But Japan bet that US not have gall to go all across the Pacific to fight big war with Japan over Asia that US not much care about. Japan miscalculate. But it seem logical at time. After all, Japan think, we fight Russia and win. Russia lose will to fight. So, if US lose will to fight, maybe US give up long fight with Japan. Japan think wrong but it half-way seemed logical in old day. (But sometimes, crazy idea win out. Mao took big gamble when he enter korean war. He gambled US not use nukes. But if US decide use nukes, Mao’s China finished. Mao gambled too. And Vietnamese gamble that if they fight on, US eventually quit. Vietnam prove correct. In light of such gamble, Japan gamble on Pearl Harbor not as crazy when seen back then.)

But not only Japanese miscalculate. Everyone miscalculate. UK and France make big mistake in wage on Germany in 1939. France got invade by Germany as result.
So, democratic power can gamble and lose too.
And Stalin make big mistake in making peace with Hitler. He think he can trust Hitler.
But he nearly lose USSR. But then, Hitler miscalculate too. So, all sides miscalculate big time.
And look at Chinese. Chinese make big gamble and take on Japan when it no can win. Chiang warn China: “now not time for fight. if we fight japan now, japan crush KMT, and it give communist second chance. what we must do is first totally destroy communist bandit, then build up chinese industry, and then fight japan.” But Chinee people no listen. They say KMT and Communists join up and fight Japan NOW. But what happen? Total ruin for China and millions die. Chiang was right, but Chinese hot-headed and no listen.

Also, looky at Mao. China backward and need Soviet help. But Mao act big and make Khrushy angry and then, USSR and China split and China no get aid. Also, Mao push great leap and then cultural revolution. So many deaths and destruction.
You see how the Chinese Left can be delusional and crazy. And some of that craziness still in CCP though not on level of crazy Mao.
And looky at US delusion in invading Iraq. US think Iraq be made good and free and everyone happy? Haha, not so.

“You also overestimate the impact of Chinese public opinion on Japanese domestic and foreign policy.”

You not understand what I say. If only Chinese people get angry once awhile, Japan not worry. Problem is Chinese populist rage encouraged by Chinese government. And Chinese government feel pressure to satisfy populist mass rage by act belligerent against Japan. That is problem. Chinese government justify its rule by promoting patriotism by making Japan so very bad in eyes of Chinese. So, when people show anger against Japan, Chinese government need feel strong by acting nasty to Japan, and Japan not like this.

“Article 9, Japan’s Constitution, her newfound post war pacifism, war guilt, etc were not fashioned by the Chinese. They were created by the Americans in image of their liberal world order. Everything that Abe seeks to overturn and the historical judgement that he seeks to undo wasn’t the result of the Chinese, but rather the Americans.”

You not get it. Japanese Right not really want to overturn article in total way. They just want more flexible. Japanese Right want more independence but also want US to stick around. Why? If US gone, it just Japan vs China, and that scare Japan cuz China now bigger and getting bigger in economy while Japan slipping.

You overestimate Japanese Right. They not fanatical. They just realistic. They see China acting pushy. But it not just Japan that feel such fear. It same thing in Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Philippines.
You Chinese say it is only about bad bad Japanese, but why so many other Asian nations feel so much like Japan do? China need look itself in mirror.
It a big power. When big power act pushy, others scared.

“Your timing is also a bit off. In the 1980s China was a post Maoist basketcase still poorer than most African countries. The idea of China as a rival to the American hegemony simply wasn’t a realistic threat scenario 30 years ago.”

You put word in my mouth like chinese cook put apple in pig mouth.
I not say this state of affair happen 30 yrs ago.
I even say Japan wanted good relation with China. I also say US change position back and forth between China and Japan.
But in recent times, it a fact that China make it a policy to base new patriotism on hating Japan big time. And that make so many Chinese anti-Japanese, and now Chinee government feel obligate to act tough on Japan. And Japan real pissed by this. It like white people tired of black people crying ‘racism’ all time.

In some way, today’s China more like pre-war Japan. Pre-war Japan military goverment convince Japanese people that Japan is big and proud nation that stand up to West and win in Asia and never back down. Once such populist passion spread in Japan, it hard for military government to back down from more aggression.

Today, Chinese government make such big deal on China as new great power that stand up to bad Japan and bad US that many Chinese people no understand the need for compromise. They think, like Puke of Queer, that they always right and everyone else always wrong.

That no good. It dangerous.

the prissfactory is pissing in the wind ….again !
i’ve shown here irrefutable proofs how jp dumped the deng xiao ping initiated honeymoon , rekindled the dormant diaoyu spat to provoke china, all the while with the unitedsnake pulling the string
in the background.
u didnt challenge my evidences each time i brough it up , but show up with the same bs that its china who pick fight with jp whenever a new thread is opened.
whats it, u dont understand english, willfully obtuse or just here to troll ?

the pissfactory is pissing in the wind ….again !
i’ve shown here irrefutable proofs how jp dumped the deng xiao ping initiated honeymoon , rekindled the dormant diaoyu spat to provoke china, all the while with the unitedsnake pulling the string
in the background.
u didnt challenge my evidences each time i brough it up , but show up with the same bs that its china who pick fight with jp whenever a new thread is opened.
whats it, u dont understand english, willfully obtuse or just here to troll ?

Your analysis makes several fundamental errors. First you underestimate the arrogance not to say delusionality of the Japanese right. Every bit of logic told them that it wasn’t feasible for them to go to war against the United States to begin with, but they attacked Pearl Harbor anyway.

You also overestimate the impact of Chinese public opinion on Japanese domestic and foreign policy. This is actually an old passive aggressive political rationalization that Japan has historically deployed to absolve itself of any agency or responsibility in her own decision making process. It is always so and so did this so Japan is “regrettably” “forced” to do this. China is also fundamentally not even responsible for guilt tripping Japan as it were. Article 9, Japan’s Constitution, her newfound post war pacifism, war guilt, etc were not fashioned by the Chinese. They were created by the Americans in image of their liberal world order. Everything that Abe seeks to overturn and the historical judgement that he seeks to undo wasn’t the result of the Chinese, but rather the Americans.

Your timing is also a bit off. In the 1980s China was a post Maoist basketcase still poorer than most African countries. The idea of China as a rival to the American hegemony simply wasn’t a realistic threat scenario 30 years ago. Likewise the downturn in current sino Japanese wasn’t a gradual culmination of Chinese ill will but rather a sharp breaking in 2006 after Junichiro Koizumis departure from office and the ascension of Taro Aso, Abe’s ideological predecessor as Prime minister and now current foreign minister. The survey data’s actually bear this out with 2006 being the last year in which both Chinese and Japanese had positive impressions of one another when in 2007 it had swung to 80-20 negative.

“Japan is Americas unwitting vassal that was subjugated by American force of arms. The current US-Japan relationship was established back when Japan was still being occupied by hundreds of thousands of American soldiers. Abe and the faction he belongs do not accept the victors judgement that was rendered upon them after WW2.”

You dammy.

Japan knows it can never be the great power it once was.

There was a time when Japan vied for top position in Asia. It sought to push out the Westerners and be rulers of Asia. In some ways, what Japan feared more than Western imperialism was the rise of China.

It wasn’t always so.

In the 19th century when Japan was under Western threat, Japan had hoped to rely on China to ward off the West. But Japan realized that China had lost the Opium Wars and was being dismembered by the West.

So, Japan got very nervous. They began to modernize. But only to defend itself. Japan didn’t think it could compete with the western powers. But Japan made rapid progress and was able to get a toehold in Asia. And then it ‘defeated’ Russia, and Japan began to think that it could indeed be the top player in Asia.

Now, Japan was no longer looking at China as a great nation but something to take a piece of. And China seemed to be lost forever. The Manchu dynasty fell and then China broke apart into warring states. China seemed like the sick man of Asia.

But then, KMT under Chiang began to unify China again and by 1937, Chiang had unified much of China, which was finally getting things in order, if slowly and unevenly.

Japan was now alarmed cuz China seemed to be finally getting its act together. China even seemed to threaten Japan’s hold on Manchuria as many Chinese demanded that the KMT do something to fight the Japanese.

So, even though Japanese invoked Asian unity and independence to justify its aggressive move on Asia — in the name of driving out western imperialists — , what Japan was really doing was trying to secure its role as the dominant Asian power against the rise of China. Because if Japan didn’t crush China before it got too strong, China would eventually become the dominant power with its size and population.

But the thing is Japan failed. Japan failed to conquer China and then it totally lost to the US.

Since then, Japan gave all imperial plans. Sure, Abe may be right-wing and all that, but he knows reality. Japan can never be the dominant power in Asia. It can’t even take back Korea and Taiwan. All Japan can hope for is more business and more prosperity.
And with China rising again in the 80s, Japan made peace with the notion of a China growing in power and prosperity.

And by improving relations with China, Japan hoped to move out of US sphere.

But China turned virulently anti-Japanese by making WWII war-guilt a major curriculum in Chinese schools. That created an entire new generation of Chinese who were anti-Japanese. So, every time there is a little spat between China and Japan, a lot of Chinese freak out and the Chinese government has to play to those passions.
And Japanese patience wore thin after awhile.

Look, get real.

Japan isn’t looking for any kind of dominance in Asia. It wants to be on good terms with other Asian nations. It wants more independence from the US, but this is only possible if Japan has good relations with China. But if Japan fears China — and Japan really does fear China — , it has no chance but to grow closer to the US.

Sure, Abe may use China-fear to call for more military independence and national autonomy, but that’s just talk. What is happening in Japan is not unlike what is happening in Vietnam and Philippines that are also growing closer to the US, and why?

Because they too fear China.

Look, China has to see itself as an elephant surrounded by pigs. The elephant has to be more careful in what it says and does cuz a false move can crush the pigs. China so big, its neighbors so small.
China needs to understand that smaller nations are naturally afraid of elephant China. They want peace with China but because China is so big and growing stronger, they get nervous when China makes belligerent noises.

If a mouse roared at you, you would laugh. If a tiger roared at you, you would shit.
When China talks, it’s like a tiger talking to mice. Mice get nervous.

Even when an elephant sleeps, it has to be careful cuz if it rolled over carelessly, it could crush pigs nearby.
So, China needs to play more gingerly. But it’s been acting big and angry, and this makes all Asian nations worry.

You call yourself the duke but you’re just a mook.

What you say would be true IF Japan was looking to be the dominant power of Asia again. But Japan has no such dreams. The Japanese Right simply wants more independence from the US, but this isn’t possible as Japan now sees China as the #1 threat.

China really blew it.

Dear Duke of Qin, what you write is true: “It is American policy trying to maintain hegemony on the cheap that suffers from magical thinking that by complicating strategic decision making with a third party resentful of them actually empowers US influence.” But your wrong premise is, as I wrote in my previous comment, that the US wants to control Japan and any cost. The US wants Siberia, the biggest piece of loot on the planet, and is happy for its temporary deputy, Japan, to quarrel with China. My impression of the Japanese is that of polite racist egomaniacs. Therefore, I cannot imagine Japan accepting Chinese domination of the Asia Pacific. Also, the Japanese are the second most brainwashed people on the planet, after the US citizens. It will be extremely easy to whip up their nationalism in the environment of a tanking economy, especially after a nice false-flag or two.

The US only wants to control the Chinese submarines, as a direct challenge to US invulnerability, whilst it will happily let Japan to the rest against China.

Knowing both nations, I am absolutely and totally sure that Japan and China cannot co-exist peacefully, who dumped whose friendship first is irrelevant.

China didn’t blow their relationship with the Japan. Japan or rather Taro Aso and company chose to throw their relationship with China into the trash bin so they could trick the Americans into giving them their independence. You obviously didn’t understand Lee’s article or perhaps your American myopia is getting the better of you. Japan is not Americas ally. Japan is Americas unwitting vassal that was subjugated by American force of arms. The current US-Japan relationship was established back when Japan was still being occupied by hundreds of thousands of American soldiers. Abe and the faction he belongs do not accept the victors judgement that was rendered upon them after WW2. The war for Abe was a war of racial liberation lead by Japan against the whites in general and the US in particular, that is what their ideology teaches irrespective of actual more direct causes. Abe’s policies are being pursued to maximize Japanese strategic independence at the expense of the United States not China. Abe does not actually expect to fight China, as evidenced by Japans continued marginal defense spending, but is using the China threat card to increase Japan’s strategic autonomy and if the US and China actually come to blows, more lulz for him since his interest is to maximize Japanese influence which is well served by the only two obviously stronger states ruining each other. It is American policy trying to maintain hegemony on the cheap that suffers from magical thinking that by complicating strategic decision making with a third party resentful of them actually empowers US influence.

“These burgeoning economies are robust enough to defend themselves and keep greedy and reckless neighbors from getting ideas.”

Another great article Peter, you are the single most informed independent observer of the situation in the Asia-Pacific. Your eyes are always on the developments and you help us catch up on the real news (as opposed to the MSM garbage). However, your optimistic ending quoted above is unjustified.

Firstly, what is really going on in Asia is the same political corruption game which has happened in the much more mature “democracies” of Europe. The Europeans cannot comprehend how their leadership can work so blatantly for the US interests and against the interests of their own voters. In other words, you are underestimating the corruptibility of the leadership of Asia, which the US is the World leading expert in (hand-in-hand with the government change know-how). Therefore, we should view the situation in Asia-Pacific as a repeat of EU under its franchisor of corruption, the US, with an added twist of a master franchisee of corruption – Japan. Japan and the US are TPP-ing the developing Asian countries like ducks into a row, to start taking the protection racket from them in the form of selling them their war hardware and protection services. I am quite certain that this scheme will work very well for the franchisor of corruption and his master franchisee.

Secondly, you are overestimating the US concern about Japan going on its own. For the US, China is a much bigger problem than just a regional power in the Asia-Pacific. China is a global competitor to the US. If China could be contained by Japan, the US will leave a large share of the racketeering money on the table for Japan to take. Even if Japan grows militarily and somehow sheds the chains of the US control, Japan will then be even more capable of confronting and containing China. In other words, your belief that US should be concerned about the revival of the Japanese Militarism, the Second Meiji Restoration, is totally misplaced. Simply put, the US would be most happy for the hyper-militaristic Japan (becoming more and more an economic basket case) to confront China and free the US to conquer Russia aiming for the Siberia’s riches. If we know anything about the US it is that the US easily creates monsters (Mujahideen of Afghanistan, Japanese Militarism, etc) and only later worries about them.

It is simply a nice division of tasks between the global crook and the regional crook.

Finally, I have written this issue several times before – the story of the South China Sea is primarily a story of controlling resources and shipping lanes, but in a military sense China aims to place arrays of passive submarine sensors into the South China Sea to detect US attack submarines lurking around the Chinese submarine base on HaiNan Island. Such sensors, in combination with submarine sensing satellites (in preparation), would help the Chinese submarines avoid such US attack submarines and gain access to the open Pacific towards the US coast. The Chinese Jin class is the crucial component of the Chinese nuclear deterrent against the US First Strike on China – the classical MAD.

“Japan and the United States will together lead Asia Pacific toward the goal of turning it into an ocean of freedom and prosperity, working in partnership with countries that share values such as freedom, democracy, human rights and rule of law.”

US that forces ‘gay marriage’ on other nations? US that now imprisons people for refusing to bend over to the foulness of ‘gay marriage’?

US that invades and destroys nations? Just look at the Middle East and Libya.

US that uses billions to subvert other governments and foment crisis in Ukraine?

US that supplied arms to ISIS and other crazies in Syria?

Some freedom and prosperity for the Middle East. Some rule of law. Some human rights. Some democracy.

And if Japan is so proud, why is still a puppet of the US instead of seeking true independence?

That said, Chinese were stupid to blow their relationship with Japan. By alienating Japan, they just drove it closer to the US.

Chinese are so petty and myopic.