“America’s entry into the war resulted in Germany’s defeat”

An American myth. Britain and France would have defeated the Germans anyway. It would have just taken a bit longer. American supplies were very helpful, though.

Churchill was a bought and paid for gambling drunk.
He insisted on war because the people that owned him wanted it that way.
He is the most evil corrupt monster to have ever walked this earth.
He is responsible for more deaths than anyone else. Ever.

A few good thoughts here and there, but a very inaccurate summary of events in total.

” so seduced by “Uncle Joe” Stalin, they handed half of Europe to the Soviet Union.”

That’s just ridiculous.

Russia defeated Germany, full stop. That’s why they call WWII the Great Fatherland War.

Who on earth was going to order Stalin and his then massive and victorious Red Army to stop at a certain border? The wise thing to do was accommodate to some degree and try to keep amicable relations for future, which is what was done.

America’s contribution seems large to Americans, but in the scheme of things, it was rather marginal.

I too am no friend of Churchill. His contribution was to start the bombing of cities before Hitler. Churchill was a brutal man who had little sense of Britain’s place in the world anymore and thought nothing of killing large numbers of civilians. After all, it was his same point of view as holding on to the Empire – that is, big tough Britain machine-guns and bombs huge numbers of people, as he did.

Mr. Unz:

I find it hard to believe that you have only been exposed to this information in the last 6 to 7 years. This information has been in play for decades. I know that I was first exposed to it about 30 years ago. I’m sure you would have considered the sources to be “conspiracy theories”, but when “conspiracy theories” are finally accepted, what do they become then? History? Not yet. There are still too many non-thinkers that are convinced that America is the good guy, and too many traitors that know it is the truth but can’t let it become History that will never allow the truth to be revealed until about two generations after the fact. It is like Schopenhauer’s quote:
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”

There are photographs of US astronauts on the Moon.

Everybody said that Sputnik One in 1956 was a very primitive satellite, certainly compared to the US Explorer One which was launched only two years later and the Soviet Molniya which made a soft landing on the Moon on 31 January 1966 was nothing compared to all the successful US manned Apollo missions to the Moon in 1969, only three years later, in record time. So, yes, we are the greatest, and our made in China cellphones are better than their made in China cellphones.

Well, for comparison, an arrow is a *much* slower projectile than pretty much any bullet, yet its penetrative power can be quite impressive:

, though of course the aerodynamics are quite different. Here is a weird sort of OSS projectile:

; there were many others including actual bows, though I don’t know how much use any of them saw. Of course, that doesn’t answer the question of what happened to the projectile, though no doubt Wilcox takes some stab at this issue.

To find out what happened Patton, let’s look at the details of the accident here. Of supreme importance is the car Patton was in. Here’s a photo of it right after the accident:

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-general-george-s-patton-car-accident-1945-129582153.html

Here’s another view of this particular make and model of car Patton died in:

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-history-cop/2012/02/free-parking-for-general-pattons-staff-car-at-2012-chicago-auto-show/

It’s a 1939 Model 75 Cadillac. It is not a Jeep. There was a technical sargent following behind Patton’s staff car in a vehicle which was indeed a Jeep. Why is this distinction important? Because it creates a fundamentally different picture of the accident. According to the telegraph article Ron links to, which is here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html

Target Patton claims the OSS agent, “Staged the car crash by getting a troop truck to plough into Patton’s Cadillac and then shot the general with a low-velocity projectile, which broke his neck while his fellow passengers escaped without a scratch.”

Now take a look at this description of Patton’s death on this page: http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/general-george-s-patton-jr-death-final-days/

“Neither driver was injured, and Gay received only slight bruises. Patton, on the other hand, although conscious, was bleeding profusely from head wounds received when he was thrown forward against the steel frame of the glass partition separating the front and rear seats and then backward again into his seat. There were, of course, no seat belts in those days, and whereas Gay and Woodring, having seen the oncoming truck, had braced themselves for the impact, Patton, who had been looking out the side window, had not. He knew he was seriously injured and apparently murmured, “I think I’m paralyzed,” and later, “This is a helluva way to die.”

It was December 9th, a winter day, and Patton was riding in the back seat of a fancy green staff car with enclosed windows. There were no seatbelts, and Patton was looking sideways when the accident happened and had no warning it was about to occur. He was thrown forward with enough force that he cut his face on the glass and steel frame of the partition between the front and back seats, and then was whiplashed backwards.

The second article says Patton had, “A fracture of the third cervical vertebra, with a posterior dislocation of the fourth cervical vertebra.” Which your head is turned sideways at the moment of impact, slams into a glass partition, and then is whiplashed backwards, that sounds about right for that type of injury.

But there’s still a big problem with the claim that the neck injury was caused by a ‘low-velocity projectile.’

Take a look at the Cadillac staff car again. It has glass windows all the way around. Anybody shooting at Patton at the exact moment the impact of the accident took place, would have had to be one heck of marksman to hit a moving body while Patton was being thrown forward and backwards. It’s always hardest to hit a moving target.

Secondly, it would have to break a window to be able to hit Patton. But, according to Target Patton, it was a ‘low-velocity’ projectile. Okay, it would have had to smash a window and still retain enough force after that impact to break Patton’s neck in a way that didn’t look suspicious. Anything that retains enough force to kill somebody that way sounds like a regular bullet, which would have left a plainly visible entry wound. But it’s very likely any ‘low-velocity projectile’ would have ricocheted or deviated from its path because of contact with the glass of the window. There’s no way you can guarantee you can hit Patton if you have to shoot through something else with a weapon that is low-velocity, meaning it doesn’t have a lot of punch. You have to calculate to an extreme refinement all the forces involved, and they didn’t have that level of exactitude in shooting weapons back during World War II.

And what sort of ‘low-velocity projectile’ could it have been? Projectiles like guns operate via explosions inside a barrel, which slams the bullet out with tremendous speed and force. How do you make this low velocity? You can slow speed if your projectile is very large, like a cannon ball, but it still takes massive explosive force to move it. This ‘low-velocity projectile’ would have in all probability stayed inside the vehicle after hitting Patton, and very likely would not have had enough force to exit through another window after hitting both the entry window and Patton, especially if it was low velocity to begin with. If anyone’s found any strange object inside the car with Patton, I’ve never heard of it. I’ve never heard anyone mention suspicious broken windows around the compartment Patton was riding in, either.

Let’s look at this low-velocity projectile again. How do you make something hard enough to break a window and Patton’s neck without being deflected, yet make it ‘low-velocity?’ What was it, a sling-shot? Low-velocity means not much force could have thrown it. This is a basic law of physics. Besides, if a strange piece of shooting technology existed in 1945, we would have heard what it was by now.

The physics involved with a ‘low-velocity projectile’ make no sense at all.

Sorry Ron, the whole ‘Patton was assassinated’ thing sounds like a crock of nonsense, and it doesn’t hold up according the physical evidence of Patton’s death.

The end of WWII was a charade. We, the USA, didn’t really win it. Patton was right. He knew the USSR needed to be confronted and not given any territory!

The problem is that people have this idea that people in power will do the right thing if they recognize it… that is a bad idea to deceive yourself with…

Pat Tillman was the new Patton, got the same treatment.. We’ve been warned many times. The treason runs DEEP.. Don’t forget about what the Bolsheviks did to Christians in Russia, we’re approaching that type of situation.

Nixon, Truman, and FDR’s Private Thoughts About Jews

https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/30/nixon-truman-and-fdr%e2%80%99s-private-thoughts-about-jews/

http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf

Israel’s Mossad was a primary (and critical) behind the scenes player in the conspiracy that ended the life of JFK. Through its own vast resources and through its international contacts in the intelligence community and in organised crime, Israel had the means, it had the opportunity, and it had the motive to play a major frontline role in the crime of the century – and it did.”
It was Piper’s assertion that Israel’s motive for the assassination was Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion’s outrage at JFK’s opposition to Israel becoming a nuclear power, and that in his final days as Prime Minister Ben-Gurion commanded the Mossad to become involved in a plot to kill America’s president. JFK’s assassination served the dual purpose of eliminating not only the threat to Israel’s nuclear ambitions, but also the need for the AZC to register as a foreign agent. So when Vice President Lyndon Johnson (LBJ) was sworn in as JFK’s successor, he wasted no time in increasing Israel’s arms budget and also turned a blind eye to its nuclear arms development program. A further blow to the integrity and independence of the U.S. Senate occurred in November 1963, when Nicholas Katzenbach replaced RFK as Attorney General with the result that the AZC evaded registration and calculatingly morphed into the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that U.S.-based Israeli Mossad agents might someday need to “order a hit” on the president of the United States.

http://original.antiwar.com/alison-weir/2012/01/24/israeli-assassinations-and-american-presidents/

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/284979-ajt.html

On Jan. 13 the Atlanta Jewish Times featured a column by its owner-publisher suggesting that Israel might someday need to “order a hit” on the president of the United States.
In the column, publisher Andrew Adler describes a scenario in which Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu would need to “give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel.”
The purpose? So that the vice president could then take office and dictate U.S. policies that would help the Jewish state “obliterate its enemies.”

http://time.com/4711687/john-f-kennedy-diary-hitler/

The diary reveals that during his time in Berlin, Kennedy wrote about visiting Hitler’s bunker only months after Germany surrendered in the Second World War.
“You can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived,” Kennedy wrote in his diary in 1945.
“He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him,” he added. “He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.”
“The room where Hitler is supposed to have met his death showed scorched walls and traces of fire,” he wrote. “There is no complete evidence, however, that the body that was found was Hitler’s body.” “The Russians doubt that he is dead,” Kennedy added.

1962-63 period Senator William J. Fulbright of Arkansas, Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations, convened hearings on the legal status of the American Zionist Council (AZC). Fulbright — who lost his Senate seat the following year — had no qualms about boldly announcing on CBS Face the Nation that :
“Israel controls the U.S. Senate. The Senate is subservient, much too much; we should be more concerned about U.S. interests rather than doing the bidding of Israel. The great majority of the Senate of the U.S. —somewhere around 80%— is completely in support of Israel; anything Israel wants; Israel gets. This has been demonstrated time and again, and this has made [foreign policy] difficult for our government.”

McCarthy had already been humiliated; he wouldn’t have been worth the trouble.

Of course he would’ve been “worth the trouble” to American Marxists – take a look around at the species today, even more vengeful and sadistic peddlers of ideological scorched earth than their forebears ever were. (Of course, those forebears had to live with the uncomfortable possibility that the US might clean their clocks for them, here and abroad, which taught them discretion.)

Their choosing an opportune moment to prevent any sort of second act for the Tailgunner makes a lot more sense than his dying of “alcoholism” at age 48….a death that raised little (allowable) suspicion and no investigations.

To German reader: You ‘forgot’ to mention that Poland as a result of II WW lost 1/3 of its east territory taken by Stalin and USSR. Stalin removed from these part of former Poland 3 millins Poles. And one small point – the idea to move polish borders to west is the decision of Jalta agreement where Poles did not have the voice.

No significance in this story, hovever sort of annectdotal : I have stood outside of the room in the US Army hosp in Heidelberg in which he passed Dec 1945.

Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

Perhaps the best article on the predicament General Patton found himself in is here — https://nationalvanguard.org/2014/12/general-pattons-warning/ “General Patton’s Warning” by William Pierce

The next question this raises is, “If France had been occupied by the Red Army after WWII, would you be able to tell the difference today?”

There would be less Trucks of Peace.

Very often I have to work with people who send me their scripts. Scenarios are different, some are just awful, and others are wonderful. Sometimes I have to make my own edits. But working with electronic documents is not always convenient. Such standard programs that read the PDF format are simply do not running sometimes. Over time, I found a way out for this situation. It is an online pdf editor which can be used as on my laptop or on my phone. This is a very convenient online editor for me, which I do not even need to install.

Pal I used to live a couple miles away from the border there for three years while in art school, spend 3 summer vacations on hiking trails, speak fluent Polish with their accent, so save your breath.

Wikipedia your source for accuracy? LOL. You need to go get an education.

Hey, I forgot to mention that they finally released a video of a woman getting sexually assaulted in Cologne. Check this out!

I had a quick look through those links and I can’t figure out what you think is convincing about any of this. In the first link, there is footage of him walking through a shopping mall. At some point, he is looking at a rack with firearms in there, then they show him buying something, swiping his credit card, and it is labeled that he is buying a gun, in fact, the very gun that he used to kill all those people, but it is not clear in the video what he is even buying. What they are showing there is so many degrees away from proving that he did anything, it’s ridiculous.

As for the rest of it, my own belief is that they are showing video from some sort of drill and trying to pass it off as real footage. It’s incredibly grainy. You can’t see much on it.

But anyway, maybe you could point to the points in the video that you find really convincing.

Also, could you answer a quick question…

Do you really believe that there is this political movement in the Middle East that wants to kill some random homos in a fag bar in Florida?

You believe that? If you do believe it, could you tell me WHY they think this will further their political goals. I can’t honestly make any sense of the whole thing, so maybe you could help me understand this phenomenon.

I saw recently in Daily Mail new videos were released from Pulse in Orlando

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5536913/New-videos-Pulse-nightclub-gunman-prepping-attack.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5512883/New-video-footage-reveals-Pulse-nightclub-shooter-open-fire.html

and new videos from Las Vegas

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5533067/Mandalay-Bay-security-cameras-Stephen-Paddock-arsenal-suitcases.html

and haven’t heard much reaction by leading falseflaggot researchers. Does this new evidence reinforces their conclusions they formulated about 25 seconds after hearing about the event or do they have go back on some claims they made? Or perhaps the new videos are all CGI?

A prime example of jewish zionist control of the mass media is the fact that on the 50th anniversary of the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (GTR-5) on June 8, 1967, there was NOT ONE MENTION of the 50th anniversary of this event on any news media outlets. Normally, the 50th anniversary of just about any event gets mentioned, but not the USS Liberty (GTR-5).
This is PROOF that the media is controlled by “you know who”…

When you stop thinking about elephants in San Francisco

Utu, I have interacted with you enough to know that you are sufficiently intelligent to understand that the parable of the elephants in San Francisco is not actually about elephants or about San Francisco.

With my last comment being in reconciliatory mood

If you were really in a “reconciliatory mood”, you would desist from this tactic of yours, of using willful obtuseness to try to wriggle out, when you are being cornered in a debate.

It is infuriating and no way of getting reconciled with anybody (at least with me) but aside from that, it reflects some underlying malaise. I have felt it to be profoundly disrespectful. Originally, I perceived it as being disrespectful to me, but finally, I think it is more disrespectful of yourself.

This resort to sophomoric tactics like this is the behavior of man who lacks self-respect. You don’t feel compelled to behave in a respectable manner because you don’t respect yourself.

The author of this article suffers from much the same problem, I think.

Tired of this ‘poor me’ mantra – Here’s your real face and mind set … Enlarge it 2oo% and read.
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Save your breath and spare me name calling just tell me where I’m confused or incorrect ,…

At 454 I explained to you what was the reason for this so called Kielce ‘pogrom’ and ask you to name other ‘pogroms’ that you conveniently haven’t noticed and keep tossing ‘poor jews’ crap against the wall hoping that something is going to stick to it.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Snag: You are obviously confused about the dates, history, geograpahy of the WW2. That is another feature of schizophrenia. It is not worth bothering you with history because you don’t understnnd it.

A very creative use of language: Auschwitz is not Auschwitz, a Jew is not a Jew when he was a kapo (‘renowned for their cruelty’):
“The German concentration camps depended on the cooperation of trustee inmates who supervised the prisoners. Known as Kapos, these trustees carried out the will of the Nazi camp commandants and guards, and were often as brutal as their SS counterparts. Some of these Kapos were Jewish, and even they inflicted harsh treatment on their fellow prisoners. For many, failure to perform their duties would have resulted in severe punishment and even death, but many historians view their actions as a form of complicity. After the war, the prosecution of Kapos as war criminals, particularly those who were Jewish, created an ethical dilemma which continues to this day”.
But of course, the Nazis made them do it. Like the Judenräte forced to designate those marked for ‘extermination’ lying to them that they selected for ‘resettlement’. Imagine their pangs of conscience! (if they were not really ‘assimilated Polish Jews”).

It doesn’t mean nothing – My dad’s friend survived Auschwitz because he was a clever, a fighter and master shoemaker, they needed prisoners like him.

We’re not talking about Auschwitz but Birkenau a sub camp exclusively for Jews and Gipsies. They say Auschwitz but mean Birkenau where the alleged genocide happen. I have to repeat, dad’s friend was a few times in Birkenau and wasn’t aware of any gas chambers, he learned about them after the war. The only Jews he have seen in Auschwits were the kapos and snitches read: an assimilated Polish Jews.

Auschwitz was a dead camp for those the Germans feared like Polish inteligencia and potential leaders and organisers of underground resistance.

In regard of your mom – In October 1938 Nazis expelled and dumped on Polish border around 17.000 Jews, some that used to live in Germany for decades a few with expired Russian passports issued before WWI by Tsar administration in partitioned Poland and most of them undocumented – Non of them spoke Polish. Why blame Poles, they had their share of Jews and what comes with them that is, nothing but problems. Poles don’t own you anythig, no one invited you there and no one missed.

Nobody likes an arrogant squatters, stop whining and forget about it ,…

Never give up hope.

Yeah, as snitches, guards, NKVD goons and administration, an oppressors not the oppressed.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RymTWpQg6wI

Hopefully none. They spent a year in various camps /gulags in the USSR and then released after June 1941.

It is you that tried to muddy the waters of discussion by introducing some “mass grave” in Ukraine. Agreed that 500 + bodies constitutes a mass grave but not in the context of holocaustianity. My reply would then be “OK, you found 500+ bodies, where are the remaining alleged 10,000,500 bodies or their remains? (6 mil. Jews plus 5 mil. Gentiles as alleged).

I think not.

“Proving” the Holocaust would require a lot of time to run it all the way up to 11 million (or six million, for that matter). Therefore, some short cuts are required. Let me ask you this question: How many mass graves and/or what total number of shooting victims would I have to prove to you for you to accept that the Nazis conducted a concerted campaign to murder Jews on the Eastern Front? Ten percent? Twenty-five percent? More? Less? If your answer is that only by proving 100% of the mass graves, then I think we can wrap things up. Otherwise, we can move on to another grave. If and when you accept the existence of mass graves, we can move onto gas chambers, first by way of T4 and then to camps.

Your move.

As one sage would have it: “Extraordinary allegations require extraordinary proof.”

As stated earlier, my interest lies with holocaustianity, that is why I chimed in earlier in this thread.

It is you that tried to muddy the waters of discussion by introducing some “mass grave” in Ukraine. Agreed that 500 + bodies constitutes a mass grave but not in the context of holocaustianity. My reply would then be “OK, you found 500+ bodies, where are the remaining alleged 10,000,500 bodies or their remains? (6 mil. Jews plus 5 mil. Gentiles as alleged).

Back to our original contention: Where is the forensic evidence to support your allegations of 11 million gassed and cremated???????? hdc

With my last comment being in reconciliatory mood I was trying to shift your attention to a bit broader sense of perception of reality. I was hoping that you may snap out from your intense obsessions. But I see something more radical is needed. ECT perhaps?

When you stop thinking about elephants in San Francisco and stop believing that you have no other choice than being an automaton you may try me again.

Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum

You know, that reminds me… I always believed that the sun rises every morning in the east, but I recently found out that there are some terrible people who also believe this — really bad folks, like even serial killers and torturers. They also believe that the sun rises in the east every morning.

So now I am having second thoughts about the whole thing…

falseflaggots

Well, I asked a question earlier. Suppose you have your “falseflaggot” automaton that always spits out the same conclusion: it says that every one of these murky events is a false flag. And then you have your “shit eater” automaton that always says that the official story is true.

In your opinion, which of the two automatons is going to be right more often?

I thought that was interesting question to focus matters. I’d like you to answer it.

I’d also like you to answer the question I posed a good while back:

It was reported that a few weeks ago, an elephant escaped from the zoo and was wandering around the center of San Francisco for a few hours in broad daylight. However, you searched exhaustively and you could find absolutely no photos or videos of this online.

Would you believe that the event had really happened?

Well, I asked the above two questions earlier and you dodged them, so I would be pleasantly surprised if you finally answered. But, if not, tell me, why do you dodge legitimate questions continually?

Britain lost the benefit of the doubt long before 7-7 (and America long before 9-11).

A sound comment apart from the last paragraph. All of history should be open to revision otherwise there’s be no point in historical research. Historians are always likely to have differing opinions and some are more valid than others so it is up to the reader to decide what they believe.

As to the falseflaggots term, it’s beneath you. There are enough instances of false flag action that it has become prudent to look for signs with any and every event. If a person lies to me once then everything that follows is assumed to be suspect. The latest nerve agent poisoning incident in the UK comes after the dodgy dossier (which led to the destruction of Iraq, the deaths of a million or so Iraqis and trillions of wasted dollars that should have been invested in the betterment of Americans). 7/7 is another example.

British claims should from now on always be suspect until they’ve cleaned house. This is true also for the US, Canada, Aust and NZ.

National Socialism was never as ethnically narcissistic or as mean spirited as Talmudism, Jewish supremacism or radical Zionism. Its origin and purpose was to create an economically and politically just order in Germany as far as humanly possible, and to undo the injustices inflicted upon the German nation at Versailles.

Hitler did not view the Jews (as a collective) with blind hatred but, with the benefit of historical hindsight and personal experience, as a problem and an obstacle to the German people’s achievement of economic and political independence, not to mention to the restoration of a better and sounder Germanic culture. He looked to remove the Jews from public influence as fairly and humanely as possible, not to kill all of them. There were no “pogroms” or major eruptions of anti-Jewish violence in Germany under Hitler, with the sole exception of the overblown “Kristallnacht” which may very well have been the work of agents provocateurs, taking advantage of the assassination of the German diplomat in Paris by the Polish Jew Grynspan, while most of the members of the party, including Hitler, were attending a commemoration of the Beer Hall Putsch in Munich. One can observe photographs of queues of Jews lining the sidewalks the day after to make insurance claims. Only international Jewry is able to turn broken shop windows into a terrible “pogrom.”

It is true that the German Zionists and the National Socialists had a commonality of interests, in the sense that they wanted to remove as many Jews from Germany as possible via peaceful emigration, but it would be a mistake to claim that Hitler favored the creation of Israel- which he rightly prophesied would become not a Jewish homeland but a kind of criminal base of operations and haven for criminal fugitives for international Jewry.

“Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination”

https://www.kedem-auctions.com/content/nazi-medallion-swastika-and-star-david%E2%80%93-nazi-travels-palestine-1934

No problem, just don’t lie and conduct the discussion in the appropriate forum. USS Liberty, AIPAC, Jewish Neocons etc –plenty of meat there. Jews in the commie repression apparatus in Eastern Europe, ditto. Jews as primary movers in the immigration-inclusiveness racket — yes, good stuff, discuss; but why cram it here when the essay deals with a different subject.

And then:

Fed — total lie; there was one single Jew among the founders, and the main motor was JP Morgan, hardly one of the chosen. WWI has nothing to do with da jooz, and WWII is only about them as victims–yes even the kapos and Judenrat were victims. So if you wipe the blinding foam of unrestrained joo-hate off your face, and deal with the issue rationally, judiciously, without an overwhelming confirmation bias, first, you’ll be closer to the truth, which is important per se, and two, you’ll be much more convincing in your attempt to open people’s eyes to negative Jewish influences and actions.

Plus, there is the chicken -egg thing and the stupid “Christ-killers” thing, Christ having been a Jew by the name of Yoshua and called Rabbi by his (Jewish) acolytes and apostles (it’s in the NT, you don’t have to believe me), and the Christian church, for its first 50 years of existence, having been exclusively Jewish. You have to look at the matter with an attempt at dispassionate objectivity, the way an academic of integrity does — then you’ll be much more convincing.

Have you the deniers considered a possibility that Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination? Jews asked Nazis to help them create the story that they were exterminated because the story was necessary to further Jewish goals of taking over the world. And Nazis obliged. They passes anti-Jewish laws, then they took them into their custody, then they put them in ghettoes all over Europe, then they started loading them on trains and moving them from camp to camp so everybody got confused and lost the track where did the Jews go. And after the war the winners helped Jews to hide the extra 4 millions or so of survivors by having them changing names and adopting new identities in many countries all over the world. I am asking because without Nazi collusion it is hard to imagine how the hoax could be so successful:

Nazis colluded with Jews to perpetrate the hoax of extermination

The question is why did Nazis oblige? Nazi ideology was really Jewish ideology. Feliks Koneczny believed that adopting it by Germans was the last attempt to save Byzantine civilization from complete obsolescence.

https://justice4poland.com/2016/10/17/jewish-civilization-feliks-koneczny/
Feliks Koneczny realizes that Nazism is the strongest form of anti-Semitism, yet he suggests that it is, in a sense, a copy of Jewish civilization. This is in the sense that Nazism copies the Chosen People and Chosen Race concept. (p. 362, 365). In addition, both systems rely on monolatry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFeliks_Koneczny
…Koneczny, he didn’t wrote that Nazism is product of Jewish civilisation in the sense “of Jews”. He divided civilisation into several types, gave all civilisation names. “Jewish civilisation” was one of his types of civilisation, and Nazism in his typology fall under that type. Similarly, he wrote that earlier Germany was of byzantine type of civilisation, and Russia is of turan type of civilization..

You know I am just trolling you.

Post @ 589 is my responce for utu @ 587 .

Sorry ,…

” the fact that Poland while utterly penetrated by Jewish and Zionist interests still is a force that has a potential to make changes in the official WWII narrative”

There’s a problem in who’s interest since for most of the time afterr WWII Poland was run and still is by crypto-jews? They have nice Polish names but they aren’t Poles.

http://www.ivrozbiorpolski.pl/index.php?page=lista-prawdziwych-zydowskich

The gist of the great controversy regarding the Shoah Business narrative and the revisionists is this:

If Hitler really desired world conquest and the National Socialist regime did indeed commit industrial scale genocide and murder “six million Jews and five million ‘others’” based almost entirely upon racial, ethnic and religious considerations, then it must be accounted one of the most evil expressions of tyranny and despotism in all of human history.

If the foregoing was indeed true, all of the subsequent horrendous atrocities against the Germans (and in a broader sense, all western and central Europeans) were, if not entirely justified, then certainly understandable in light of the “Good War”, whose protagonists wanted to save the world (and the Jews) from subordination and annihilation. To put it more concisely, Dresden and all of the firebombed cities, the mass rapes and mass murders committed by the Soviets, the culture of rape and abuse among the Allies, Eisenhower’s starvation camps, etc., all merit absolution as part of a great crusade to save the world from unique German criminality and savagery.

On the other hand, if Hitler had no desire to conquer the entire world, and the National Socialist regime did not carry out the aforementioned industrial scale genocide – and all the concrete, physical and authentic documentary evidence indicates that they did not- then what subsequent generations have imbibed with their mother’s milk and propagandized with is nothing but bunk. And this bunk was designed to underpin an Atlanticist-NATO and subsequently Zionist hegemonist world view- with the seat of the hegemon in Wall St., the City of London and Tel Aviv.

You are wasting your time on this guy. He is old and probably lost ability to change anything in his belief system. It is possible that this his first encounter with the deniers or rabid kind. He lived whole his life believing the official orthodox line. I do not think he is able to admit to simple mistakes either. He did not when I corrected him on the fact that Polish Army in the West during WWII actually had many ( about 30%) former Wehrmacht soldiers. The historical landscape he sees is that seen with eyes of child who went through school system in Poland or other Soviet Block country in late 1950s or early 1960s when questioning the official narrative of infinite suffering and infinite evilness of Germans (NAZI term was not used then yet in Soviet Block) was unthinkable and nobody heard of any revisionists. At the same time people had relatives who went through camps and they used to have Jewish neighbors who did not come back after war and they had parents who remember Jews being rounded up and taken away so nobody had any reason to question Jewish extermination. At the same time Jewish suffering was not on the forefront of the narrative because Polish or Russian suffering and heroism was the main part of the story and the Jewish part was not rubbed in and no guilt was evoked as it is done now so people had no reason to be irritated by it.

If this guy was smarter and had more imagination he should point out to the fact that Poland while utterly penetrated by Jewish and Zionist interests still is a force that has a potential to make changes in the official WWII narrative. Now when it came to blows between Poles and Jews Poland has two options: (1) get into the contest with Jews by emphasizing Polish suffering and begging public opinion to recognize it or (2) undermine Jewish narrative of victimhood, martyrology and innocence. This guy opted for (1) while actually it should be (2) with small admixture of (1) for PR purpose. In Poland there people who realized that and I have heard of a great slogan directed at Jews that is popularized there now:

Stop telling lies about us or we we will tell the truth about you.

Which indicates that people in Poland get it even though there are no radical revisionists there. What they mostly mean is the story about how Jews were awful to each other during WWII and how they betrayed Poland by collaborating with not only Soviets but also Germans.

But the guy is right in some sense about revisionists. Many of the so-called Holo revisionists are scum and also there are many falseflaggots like yourself who lost their way.

OMG, did I hurt your feelings? One more time, no one missed you there or anywhere, deal with it.

“Please don’t claim Holocaust history is important because it has, and will prevent future Genocides.”

Yeah, like Pol Pot’s Cambodian “Killing Fields” thirty years later. Over 1 million dead. Not quite 6 million (or whatever) but, hey, who’s counting?

Snag:
Are you suferring from distrurbed thought processes ?
That is a form of schizophrenia when you talk about one thing and then jump to another topic which is virtually unrelated to the first.
You need to go and see a Neurologist about it.

Russia mobilised because Austria-Hungary attacked her loyal ally Serbia. Maybe she shouldn’t have? Well, Germany went in after Serbia gave a bloody nose to Germany’s ally, Austria-Hungary. Somehow I consider that the most responsible for the war is who actually started it. Austria-Hungary started it and Germany followed.
And just for info, the then Prime Minister of Serbia, Nikola Pašić, after having been informed of the plans to assassinate the archduke Franz-Ferdinand, who had chosen the anniversary of the battle of Kosovo to visit Sarajevo, had ordered a halt to the plan, in fear that it might lead to war with Austria-Hungary, and a war was what Serbia, just out of two Balkan wars, wanted last. The conspirators proceeded with their plan nonetheless and Austria-Hungary presented an ultimatum to Serbia that no sovereign country on Earth could accept. The organiser of the attack, Dragutin Dimitrijević Apis was eventually sentenced to death for high treason and executed.

(The Rambouillet “agreement” in 1999 was a similar ultimatum and was just as unacceptable)

As a conclusion, in WWI, Germany, Austria-Hungary and their allies were the aggressors, they invaded Serbia, Greece, Belgium, France, and that’s where the battles were fought, no battle was fought in Germany. In WWII, it was Germany again invading other countries, you can spin it anyway you like, those remain facts.

Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum.

You know, for a while in all of this, I was feeling a bit sorry for you. After all, I believed the conventional “Good War” version of WW2 for most of my life as well.

But, look, your behavior here is increasingly sordid. Now, you are down to the level of screaming that everybody who disagrees with you is self-evidently a Nazi. This is just typical tiresome fallacious nonsense. One can deconstruct it pretty easily as follows:

Somebody says: “Jeffrey Dahmer killed like a thousand people, Dude.”

You reply: “No, that’s ridiculous. Jeffrey Dahmer killed a dozen people, maybe two dozen tops.”

(In fact, I just looked it up and the official number is 17.)

The person now replies: “You sick fuck, supporting the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer!”

If the claim is that the Hitler regime systematically murdered something like 11 million people (6 million Jews and 5 million “others”) and you reply: “No, that is a massive exaggeration.” Does this mean that you are a supporter of the Nazi regime? Regardless, the year is 2018! What would that really even mean in practice?

I’ve heard the claim that Stalin killed 30 million people. I’m pretty sure that’s an exaggeration too. I suspect that the regime killed a lot of folks, but probably a tenth of that figure.

Does that make me a Stalinist?

You’re engaging in this kind of mentally squalid sort of stuff. And this idea that whatever story is true because all the academic historians proclaim their belief in it. Well, obviously they do, when it’s a crime punishable by prison and so forth to say you don’t believe it!

It has as much validity as pointing to a confession that was extracted via torture. Granted, somebody could confess to a crime under torture and he’s actually guilty of said crime. That’s possible, but the confession doesn’t mean anything. I would confess to anything under torture. Anybody would.

You’re engaging in such a sleazy, squalid, contemptible kind of discourse. It’s really disgraceful.

I agree that the causes of WW1 were multi-faceted, and that the Germans are not completely blameless. (But they had little choice after Russia’s mobilization.) However it’s completely untenable to portray Britain’s entry has somehow gallantly standing up for the rights of neutrals (esp. ludicrous given Britain’s history of such violations). Britain’s concern (as with the continuation war in 1939) was with suppressing an economic rival and their historical concern with preventing the rise of a competitive power on the Continent.

You cannot win with this swarm of ‘Zionist black helicopters (ZBLAH)” truthers…

Now that’s funny, but mockery like that is also typical of those who can’t present a rational argument and are trying to defend the indefensible.

Good thing you people have Germany to scapegoat; “Dem Jerminz dunnit! Waaaaa!” It’s always “dem jerminz,” isn’t it?

The Germans brought it on themselves.

Pure nonsense; noting but repetition of war time propaganda and the myth was busted even as it was going on.

Apparently you are dealing with Stalin’s orphan. I did not know that they have them in Poland but here you can encounter them at Saker and Israel Shamir blogs.

Hubris? Austro-Hungarian expansionism? Zionists to this day reproach Serbia for having refused to accept all the terms of the ultimatum in 1914. They said so in my face. My mother didn’t believe it until she was told in the face too. She afterwards came to to tell me that she couldn’t believe I was right.
I concede to you that war was in the making long before 1914 and the main culprit is the Austro-Hungarian empire. The same Austria-Hungary that from 1878 the Berlin Congress administered and in 1908 formally annexed a then majority Serbian Bosnia-Herzegovina, was legitimately seen as an occupier. Russia being the loyal ally she is warned in advance that she would defend Serbia. Austria-Hungary attacked, couldn’t win it alone, got her noose bloodied at the battle of Cer then was kicked out of Serbia after the battle of Kolubara, and Germany came to the rescue of her ally, Germany which on the Western front attacked France through neutral Belgium, which is the reason why the UK entered the war. Russia entered the war because of Serbia, the UK because of Belgium, at the instigation of Winston Churchill and only after half the cabinet resigned in protest. Nobody resigned in protest in Germany. My four great grandfathers fought in WWI and did the retreat over Albania.
I understand that people are p*ss*d off by Zionist policies, and would like to pin the blame on Jews for the extinction of the dinosaurs, and paint the Germans white because the world wars have resulted in a less than rightful and pleasant world order. I realised how nefarious Zionism was during the 1990s and the war in the former Yugoslavia. Most of the propaganda against Serbs was done by Jews as it is today against Russia. Actually the same folks who concocted the war in Iraq, concocted before that the war on Serbs and are cooking now the war against Russia. But no, Germans are not innocent doves. Had they won, the world would have been no better. In fact, liberated France did great until de Gaulle was toppled.
That said, I feel no hate for Germans, on the contrary, I appreciate their great contribution to European culture and I love to listen to Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, as much as to Dvorjak, Tchaikovsky or Rachmaninov. Granted my knowledge is only partial but History is History and I don’t look at it through an ideological glass.

A short version would be that unless you consider bolshevism as an offspring pan-slavism,

I don’t. Never have, and the idea seems bizarre if not preposterous to me.

pan-slavism isn’t responsible for anywhere near the number of deaths as pan-germanism.

That is highly debatable especially considering that Russia and her backers, France and the Brits, were far more to blame for WW1 than Germany could possibly have been.

All of them were spending large sums to build up their militaries and they far outspent Germany, and as a result they had a much greater combined military might than the Central Powers, plus Germany -Austria was largely encircled by hostile forces, had little in comparison with natural resources, and was vulnerable so why would Germany start a fight?

This is what you wrote about Solzhenitsyn documentary “Two Hundred Years Together:” “The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense. … he was not an expert on the numbers.”
– For a high-IQ-minded person like “polskijoe,” the grammar could be better. And what are your numbers? What kind of expertise do you have, which allows you to smear Solzhenitsyn as if he was not smeared already by an army of Israel-firsters?
Here was my post: “Have you personally had an access to the Soviet archives? Or you believe that since the facts (FACTS, documented facts) are inconvenient for the Jews it is Ok to sequester a book/documentary created by a Noble Prize Laureate in Literature. Who are you to bad-mouth Solzhenitsyn who stood up courageously to the Soviet regime when people like you were opportunistically submissive? Guess, the innocence of your mind does not allow you to take a look at Solzhenitsyn book: https://www.sott.net/article/271904-Solzhenitsyn-Banned-all-over-again http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/
– Again, who are you to smear the courageous free thinker? What is so hard for you accept in Solzhenitsyn book “Two Hundred Years Together?” According to Wikipedia, the book is “a comprehensive history of Jews in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, and modern Russia between the years 1795 and 1995…” The book has been sequestered by all publishing houses in the UK and US. Guess, the publishers believe, like you, that “The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense. … he was not an expert on the numbers.”

“don’t sabotage it for the rest of us.”

As in the Fed? WWI and II? The USS Liberty? 9/11? GWOT? WMD? That kind of sabotage?

A generation from now, they will be Jewish Palestinians. (The ones that stick around, that is.)

Nobody missed them there. In regard why do they hate? One reason because the Poles know more about them than anybody else and wittnessed their conduct at it lowest during the war. – Would you like somebody that witnessed a rape on your daughter or wife and you doing nothing try to be respected and trust worthy person or ridicule and portray him as BS peddler?

Judenrat and their goons were known for running brothels, 5 star hotels, restaurants, pubs and cabarets in ghetto while their woman and children were dying from cold and hunger on the streets, they’re known for extorting gold and jewelry for a slice of bread or potato from their starving brothers and sisters. Judenrat brass and it’s goons was known for raping 12 year old girls and boys and for corruption on scale unknown in modern world. Poles witnessed , abhored them as humans and talk to much.

Read uncensored “Notes from the Warsaw Ghetto” by Ringelblum, not the one in Yad Vashem

How many times did you hear or read about Warsaw ghetto uprising ‘heroes’? Here’s a real account – A lousy google translation but an eye opening.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://www.maurizioblondet.it/faurisson-sulla-insurrezione-del-ghetto-varsavia/&prev=search

The chase concenration camps clerks and janitors in their 90′s but ignore their own basatrds.

“Gancwajch and surviving members of the group later re-emerged posing as Jewish underground fighters, though in reality they were hunting for Poles hiding the Jews”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_K%C3%BCbler

It would be very interesting to speculate on why amazon pulled these books when they did, since they’ve sold them for years without any apparent qualms. But it’s irrelevant here. You apparently need to be reminded again that this isn’t your website, it’s Ron Unz’s (who deserves great praise for his commitment to free debate on hot-button topics). Why don’t YOU take your own advice and start your own blog where you are free to control who contributes and who doesn’t. At a minimum, why don’t you ask Ron to kick out all the Holocaust skeptics, see what he says. Please keep us informed.

listen you Square Head, nazi larper.

German invaders stole Polish land. Murder millions of Poles. Destroyed and leveled tons of cities.

Even Berlin was created by Slavic tribes.

Gdansk created by Polish people.

As were many of those cities you think are German.

Polands current lands were created by Stalin. Poles had little choice.

Hitlers offers were all crap. He was a lunatic mass murder.

Nazi Germany lost. Deal with it.

What is claimed to have happened in these camps has no basis in evidentiary fact. My presence or absence there has absolutely no bearing on this, nor do blatant emotional manipulations like survivor accounts.

what the hell does your comment even mean?

I said I respect him. But he was not an expert on the numbers.

Soviet archives were realesed but partly…

Look at the demographics, its impossible 60 million lost their lives.

Are you gonna babble too much Adolf crap? who allied with Zionists?
looks like you are the Jewess.

FACT IS that a large number (and most) historians have lower estimates for Stalin murders.

Do some research instead of depending on one or two estimates.

We should just solve the “Arab” problem in a Polish manner.

You desire to eliminate all things Palestinian – is noted!

We will think PEACE — as you prescribe death.

Art

the simplest possible automaton that disregards inputs and always produces the same output: “Yep, another hoax, another false flag.”

Well, okay, fine. Let’s say that we have a simple automaton like that always says that.

Then we have a competing simple automaton that always says: “Yep, the official narrative from the government and MSM, that’s exactly what happened.”

So now we have two competing automatons. In your personal opinion, which of the two automatons is going to be right more often?

Well, Nakba means disaster in Arabic.
And it was a disaster for the Arabs – they lost the war and Israel survived.
Only 21 Arab states in the World, from Morocco in Atlantic to Oman in the Indian.
Poor Arabs have not enough space !

No, I am not suggesting that Israelis want to go back to Poland. I am just explaining why Israelis particularly dislike Poles.

What is this “Zionist project” you talk about ?
You seem to be living in a parallel universe. There are almost 7 million Israeli Jews and with the high birth rate of 3.1 kids per family, there will be 10 million in a generation from now. After a while, a project reaches a certian state of reality and stops being a “project”.

Art:

Yes, you are right.
We should just solve the “Arab” problem in a Polish manner.

You don’t get it, boyo,

By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances, you are poisoning the whole kettle of soup. You are doing for it what the “Jews won’t replace us” crowd did for the white cause in Charlottesville. You could not be more effective if you were a Black Ops unit of ZOA or ADL– and perhaps that’s what you are.

Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum. It’s a free country, you can wear svastika armbands, you can hold your own demonstrations, but don’t sabotage it for the rest of us.

Gaza is 150 square mles.
That’s one big concentration camp !!
A concentration camp with a border with Egypt.

Ah…..still here I see. You love it don’t you.

I’m going to have to add sadomasochistic to your personality profile.

You should find some less public solution for your abnormal urges.

The last time I checked, the boss of Amazon.com was not one of them Zionists. Amazon just did what I’ve tried and failed to do here: get rid of the fruitcakes, the redundant noise.

Still, you have Arktos for publishing and Daily Stormer, VNN, codoh and other such for debate. Why try to stir things up here? It won’t work, you are just a bunch of black helicopters nutters arguing with a kin bunch of blue-and-white helicopters nutters. You can do it here, since there is no technical means to prevent you, but it would be much more dignified for you if you moved to a platform where people can’t actually read you and guffaw.

Here is one you Jews murdered in revenge. Jews all over the world claimed her death was justified because she was stupid. Sad!

https://i2.wp.com/www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/images/article_images/people/rachel-corrie.jpg?w=1200&quality=75&strip=all&ssl=1

Fifteen years ago Friday, 23-year-old American peace activist Rachel Corrie was killed by an Israeli bulldozer that was preparing to demolish a Palestinian home in the Gaza Strip.
Corrie has since become an icon of global solidarity with the people of Palestine.
Born on 10 April 1979 in Olympia, Washington, Corrie dedicated her life to defending Palestinian rights. In 2003, she went to the Gaza Strip as a member of the International Solidarity Movement.
She was known for her love of peace and for defending Palestinian rights, frequently broadcasting photo essays exposing Israeli rights violations in the occupied territories.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180316-rachel-corrie-remembered-15-years-on/

She is remembered!

Think peace — Art

In their book about Treblinka, revisionists Mattogno and Graf write re the charlatan J.F. Steiner, whose fairy tale book the ignorant Max Denken linked to as a great example of Treblinka literature:

Even one hundred percent loyal advocates of the orthodox ‘Holocaust’ image have grasped that this sort of statement undermines the credibility of their position. Thus fourteen years later, the French Jew Pierre Vidal-Naquet, who in the beginning had expressed his “admiration” for Steiner’s book,[49] suddenly spoke of “sub-literature” appealing to sadism and admitted that he had “walked into the snare set by J.-F. Steiner.”[50] Another French critic, Didier Daeningckx, devastatingly described Steiner’s book as “a false novel, which is presented as true” and which makes use of the “technique of parallel montage.”[51]

Re atrocity propagandist Grossman, after reproducing excerpts from his ridiculous text, Mattogno/Graf write:

In his edifying report Grossmann writes that there were three methods of mass killing: gassing, scalding with hot steam, and suffocation by evacuation of the death chamber by means of vacuum pumps. We shall return to this theme in the following chapter. In any case, the second as well as the third murder method very soon took their leave from history; only the gas chambers have remained. The number of Treblinka victims, postulated several times by Grossmann as three million, was also dropped at that time as being obviously all too incredible, and in the publications that followed writers contented themselves with significantly lower numbers of victims.

M.Denken: “…Grossman alone is an author of world stature, considered among the finest…”

pfffFFFHABUHAHAHHAHAHA

This keeps getting better and better, keep it coming max, you really are good for a laugh!

Vasily Grossman of all people!! This Soviet Jew atrocity propagandist is generally avoided like the plague by the so called “respectable” holohoax historians… and for good reason, as his book is pure and obvious black propaganda.

You see, the difference between you and Beefcake, is that, for one thing, Beefcake has obviously studied the subject in depth, while you obviously never did. You barely know the official story, let alone the revisionist work, which you have never read. That’s how you come up with Karski and , gasp, even Grossman!

For your information, fool, the revisionist historians have addressed all of the main holohoax historians and their “arguments”, and destroyed them. This includes even the pathetic atrocity propagandists like Grossman, the charlatan Jean-Francois Steiner, as well as big names in your amazon list, like Arad.

The revisionist historians Carlo Mattogno and Jürgen Graf, have written a book(Treblinka—Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?) specifically about Treblinka, which even reproduces many passages from several of the books you refer to. I cannot link to Amazon because, you see, organized Jewry put so much pressure on it that Amazon gave in and took the entire revisionist catalog down.
Somebody is very afraid of revisionist research , eh max? So much so that it must be hidden from the public eye.
Check it out at http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=8

Would in not be better to talk about the Palestinian children tortured last night in Israeli prisons?

Would that not be the humanitarian thing to do?

Why does your picture justify what happened last night?

Think Peace — Art

The clown does not have anything, so he has to resort to using these cheap emotional gimmicks.

But what to expect from an individual who thinks J. Karski is some sort of credible source for his holohoax fantasies??

Neither you nor I were actual inmates in Treblinka nor are experts in the subject. You want to argue that Treblinka is a myth, argue with its survivors or the experts who wrote the books. Start with this book; others are at the bottom of the page:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0451625668/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

Grossman alone is an author of world stature, considered among the finest. I guarantee that if you write a book challenging his account — credibly — you will gain world stature, too.

And here is a little film; I believe that no Zionists were involved in its production:

Impressive, your comments are getting progressively stupider. On the subject of AI, you’re starting to sound like Hal as he’s deprogrammed.

utu, the self-admitted liar: ‘Say we have a very complex AI net with billions, bla, bla, bla…”

Yawwnnnn, you are a slipping pill.

Say we have a very complex AI net with billions and billion of nods that can process many inputs but for some reason always produces the same output. On functional level this complex AI net can be replaced with the simplest possible automaton that disregards inputs and always produces the same output: “Yep, another hoax, another false flag.”

The complex AI net if it had feedbacks and developed an ability to be self-reflective it possibly could go to meta thinking level and try to figure out why it always comes up with the sam output. And perhaps it would try to reevaluate it processing whether there is some inherent bias or whether it is being fooled by inputs. That there might be some structural problem in its net.

But you do not do that. You are like a single nod automaton that always produces one output: “Yep, another hoax, another false flag” and you accept it without looking inward.

Why would anybody engage in discussion with AI net that functionally is equivalent to single nod automaton that produces only one output: Yep, another hoax, another false flag.”

Can you fix the machine?

As far as Holocaust, you can check my #540 comment.

Max, thats all “fake and no proof”. Hitler was “good” guy.
All Zionist propaganda.

codoh.com

You see, the problem with your view is that Czechoslovakia took this land illegally in 1920, so you need to read more about our history before making such statements.

On something absurd that was once taken as authoritative, see:

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11684

I saw this just the other day, with the breathless headline about how colorizing pictures enhances the “horror of the Holocaust”. (Usually you see these things before some new Israeli atrocity.) It’s already been granted that there was real human suffering during the war, and that the Germans bear some (but not all) responsibly for it. Can you explain it’s bearing on the believability of what happened at places like Treblinka?

A short, interesting presentation, particularly for those whose only French word they know is Faurisson:

Czesława Kwoka avait 14 ans quand elle a été déportée à Auschwitz.
75 ans plus tard, l’artiste @marinamaral2 a colorisé sa photo pour honorer sa mémoire. pic.twitter.com/puA4v81bfm

— Brut FR (@brutofficiel) March 15, 2018

Don’t forget the evasive, but revealing, “where did they go”?

There is no greater example of “confirmation bias” than in the official narrative of the “Big-H”, which is always in search of evidence that fits, and never admitting that the narrative must fit the evidence and the parameters of physical and logistical possibility.

73 years after the end of the Second World War, the believers in this narrative cannot agree upon a murder weapon or manner of execution of the alleged “more than 4 million victims.” First it was ovens, then it was steam chambers, electrified floors, pedal driven brain bashing machines, execution by tree felling, atomic bombs, delayed reaction gas, diesel exhaust, then gas coming through the shower heads (how this is done when the gas is lighter than air is beyond me), and finally, chambers using pesticide pellets and mass shootings on the Eastern Front.

They have constantly changed the venue of the alleged “industrial scale” genocide. First it was Bergen-Belsen and Dachau, then Auschwitz-Birkenau and the Aktion Reinhardt camps, then the Eastern Front.

When asked to explain why the “most documented event in history” needs a plethora of forged documents, coerced testimony and faked photos they just change the subject. When asked why there was no Hitler order or any other official and authentic documents indicating a policy or program of killing the Jews of Europe, they claim that their mass genocide was the result of a “meeting of the minds” and claim that perfectly innocuous words became “code words” for genocide.

The false narrative needs to be kept alive so that the NATO hegemony over Europe can be justified, the huge mistake of Israel’s founding in Palestine can be ignored and the extortion and guilt racket can continue to function ad infinitum.

Some details – A couple of excerpts from a book “How Israel Lost: The Four Questions” by Richard Ben Cramer taken from interview with general Pundak.

“The Israelis took Hassen out of prison, took him around the Jabalya camp and
then, at the edge of the camp, they shot him dead, in front of a crowd.
Why? “Because he was thought of as an activist, and they brought him back to
he camp to point out who else was active in the resistance. He wouldn’t
squeal, so they killed him in plain view. They wanted everybody to see.”

“… Sharon and Eitan caught this man and they killed him right there , they
slit his throat. The Israeli officer who told about this said the man made
the sound of a sheep who is slaughtered”

Someone has a lot of free time on their hands.

I understand. The case of unreasonable counter argument to unreasonable claim usually do not work because those who made the unreasonable argument in the first place can get very reasonable in defeating your unreasonable counter argument and their unreasonable claim is forgotten and left standing.

Zionist Black Helicopters brigade

I prefer to think of them as the OJ’s black female jurors. They are paranoid and believe that everybody is conspiring and all witnesses must be lying. It is easy for them to make this projection because they themselves are quite familiar with their own lies. Lies in critical situation are justified in their minds and thus are a norm for them. They want to believe that OJ is innocent and want to acquit him so they assign unwarranted weight to any evidence that may point to his innocence. They are too ignorant to see the totality of the picture and all the evidence so they can be easily swayed by a singular and narrow in scope argument like “if it doesn’t fit you must acquit” that will help them to dismiss the totality of evidence with a simple stroke. In the end OJ walks.

H-deniers are not interested in truth but only in confirmation of their beliefs. They just want to acquit Germans and/or bring the Jews down. They will reject the totality of evidence using singular narrow in scope arguments like “too low concentration of Prussian blue,” “not sufficient throughput of ovens,” “evidence was planted after the war like building a chimney in Auschwitz I,” “this and that witness confabulated and/or lied,” “this evidence was fabricated.” Just like Blacks who know of dishonesty and not infrequent criminality of police H-deniers know of Jewish shenanigans and opportunistic dishonesty when it come to Holocaust which has been turned into useful and profitable cult for Jews.

Unlike the Black ladies who actually participated in a real American court proceedings the H-deniers are in the make believe court by making strenuous analogy of American Justice system to a historical discourse which however is governed by different rules. American Justice system was never set up to arrive at the truth. Nobody is obliged by law or any legal doctrine to search for the truth in the process. It is an adversarial system. It only matters who wins. Somebody is legally guilty or not within the doctrine of the margin of unreasonable doubt which in itself is vague and undefined. But truth for them is whatever is the outcome of a trial. So OJ is innocent, right?

Poles were hoping to get some more liebenstraum from Germany in a future rerun of WWI.

Poland is over with ..
German Nazis are history…

We should be discussing today’s Nazis

”The Qibya massacre, also known as the Qibya incident, occurred during “Operation Shoshana”, a reprisal operation that occurred in October 1953 when Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon attacked the village of Qibya in the West Bank. At least sixty-nine Palestinian villagers were killed,[1] two-thirds of them women and children.[2] Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed.[3]

Some people died there. But 40k is way too many.

LOL

It’s like the six million Jews. Obviously it’s not an exact figure.

And note, when I linked to that DM story, I was asserting nothing about the number of Russian POWs, if any, who died by the hands of the Nazis on the island of Alderney.

I was refuting Mulegino1′s ridiculous statement, endorsed by Beefcake the Moron, and the literacy impaired Renfro that:

By all accounts, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law.

So it’s irrelevant to my point whether a single solitary Russian POW was murdered on the island of Alderney by the SS, who, so the DM article proves by photographic evidence, were certainly on Alderney during WW2 — to tend the gardens while the British residents remained evacuated to the mainlandm, perhaps — (or is it asserted that the photographs in the DM article are fakes, and the guys in SS regalia are CRISIS ACTORS?).

My sole point was to negate Mulegino1′s claim that “BY ALL ACCOUNTS, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law.” I provide two “ACCOUNTS” that proved Mulegino1′s claim to be nonsense.

Now let’s hear an apology from Beefcake the Moron and others for their insulting response to my irrefutable rebuttal of a nonsensical comment, not that I’ll be holding my breath.

Some people died there. But 40k is way too many.

Comte Jean Szembek, Ancien sous-secrétaire d’État aux Affaires étrangères de Pologne, ‘Journal, 1933 – 1939’, Paris 1952
The Poles were not dumb.
They were betrayed by FDR and Churchill
Jan Ciechanowski, vormals polnischer Botschafter in den Vereinigten Staaten, ´Vergeblicher Sieg’, Zürich 1948 ( Defeat in Victory, New York, 1947)