If we observed carefully, every world leaders are vocal in their every major events or policies, except China Prez Xi.

In most tense moment of South China Seas nuke confrontation with USN strike groups, to India Donglan confrontation last year, and current trade war, Prez Xi remained unusually silent to go about his domestic affairs as usual. Only relevant office spoke persons make announcement.

But he will spoke at length in various international events with well crafted speech promoting on peace, shared destiny, fair terms multipolar world, go green & globalization. And he spent more times in addressing domestic issues & inspiring his people than foreign affairs.

Such is Prez Xi exuding great confident & stable emotion, revealing he has everything in his control with his very capable team, to focus only on his domestic restructuring & global grand plan.

LKY didn’t live to see these, to exclaim Prez Xi is more than Nelson Mandela, may be half way of Deng XP, a class that required multiple unusual crisis and wars to attain.

denk,

by ‘fukusI’ you mean indians?. I think you are deliberately trying to create more and more enmity between indians and chinese.

”That’d be fukusI[ndia] M.O. down to a T…

fukusI have been stalking Chinese investments all over the world, sabotaging it with Arm twisting, disinfo, FF, terrorism, you name it,
every dirty tricks in CIA’s book.”

You mean indians have been doing all that? Where did you get this disinfo from? Just curious.

You are wise old man to judge thing according to facts, & who benefits behind. So your handle is deceiving

If the West msm said a enemy bad, i very much doubtful. If they said a enemy good, its very much trustable. But one wise Chinese commenter in unz taught me to be better, look who is benefiting when West msm are praising widely in well orchestrated effort(for Zhu Rongji bold joining of WTO under most Unequal Terms).

Yes, West msm used to praise Venezuela when they give all oil biz to them, even make Venezuelan winner of World Beauty Pageants frequently to blind them with pride. When oil is nationalized, its a national threat to be invaded & embargo.…a shithole of food shortage when its proven offshore oil & gas is larger than Saudi & Russia.

So are much West praising of Gorbachev & Yeltsin for Russia 1990′s disaster, Libya Gaddafi as UK best trusted ally, Iraq Saddam as best check to Iran tyranny,…and India Modi is now drunken in American lovely praising of next No1 Superpower demoncrap country, awaiting to be slaughtered when fatten enough.

but you can’t loose a trade war with a country you have a big trade deficit with.

You’re making the western mistake of looking at this from the perspective of individual actors rather than nations.

We can always agree to disagree. But you are blinded by US msm & simple algebra. Why Trumps is trying to soften down after Down jones wiped out more than tariff can get, while China is in unusual high posture, determined to teach tyranny US a very painful lesson, as its said a war at all cost like Korean war to stop future tyranny blackmail & geopolitical harassment.

According to China trade figures, actual China exports to US is only high 200+B, vs US inflated trade figure 500+B. The different come from US is using arrived shore figure that include all US export parts & freight/insurance gross cost. China is working on actual local value added, ie leaving shore less imported US components. So actual deficit is not as wide, and EU, Jp, Korea will take most of blunt in high tech goods tariff.

Take iphone as eg in a article i read, you have most parts imported eg from US(Qualcomm Snapdragon Cpu), Jp ICs, Korea memory & screen, etc. Taiwan Foxconn simply assembled, added value is meagre less than $1, add other China local parts $5… total cost say $300. Apple is said to make 70% gross margin out of $1000 price tag selling in China too, while china get less than 1~5%. And China is largest market next to US if you lose it.

In a simplified eg of 2way 20% tariff, means imported US components get hit & inflated iphone cost to say $330. Arriving US 20% tariff, iphone bcom say $400, selling at $1100. US consumer pay extra $100, Trumps get extra tax revenue $66, so do China get $30 to offset other loss. Who lost in iphone tariff?

You simply have no alternative consider China is having world entire low-mid level supply chains, go Walmart do a stock check.

It will take US at least 5~10yrs to reestablish its manufacturing capacity even murkans willing to bite dust by accepting China salary, but still lack China economic of scale & hyper efficiency, which as Steve Jobs said, jobs aren’t returning to US.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20120123/apples-jobs-to-obama-jobs-arent-coming-back-to-us

Sure EU & Jp, Korea will get hit badly as i highlighted too, as they contributed much components in this globalization supply chain. And they will be next target after China trade war. They are all in slow economic crisis with high unemployment if you research abit.

China is providing 30% global growth, if it stalled, everyone goes down. These people are smart enough to know, Trumps or Xi is better bet for future.

And China has yet to pull its lever on financial, service sector, FDI that US has vast surplus with China. China plan to make bigger cake, US think zero sum, its a trade war US will lost, very miserable & catastrophe, consider every parameters & China war chess of $4T reserve with 60% saving rate that immune it from worst case US zero trade for decade.

But this trade war & Petrol Yuan are more than struggle between China & US people as Chinese rational leaders have no hate to their customers-US people, its a existential fight between China-Russia alliance with Warstreet Bankers owned Fed who uses Anglozionist controlled US as mightiest machine to control global money (free Petrol USD printing) & resources under unipolar. If China win, benevolent Prez Xi will save the world & roll out a fair term multipolar world, otherwise all ended as slave.

If i have time will translate one interesting article: who is actually behind all these sudden hysteria war against Russia & China, that in history every Potus who dare resist get either killed or impeached.

And US is having deficit trade with hundred of countries not out of coincident, it is to export out its Fed free printing USD while import cheap products to keep hyper inflation off, with excess USD flow back to US treasury & investment to finance endless lavish life live on debts. Your budget deficit will soon reach $1T p. a., piling up on $21T debts with astronomical interest payment, living beyond a means to pay back.

Im not from China, which make my views & comment more objective on China, West, Jp, Korea & India. But my interest in current affairs & wide traveling in global business & works provide me a slightly better perspective than average worker. And internet is the wonderful key to access abundant independent info.

I can never be qualified in China Imperial Exam, its too competitive with talents from 1.4B, let alone becoming their consulate official de creame of crops.

Although after graduating, my country gov official did offered me a foreign affair job after interviewing me for a technical post, as they found lacking in such candidates. But i turned down, didn’t realize it was one of most profitable job simply by a middle man for illicit deals like weapon & banned goods utilizing wide contacts & diplomat privilege.

And i prefered to live a lay back life in down under Oz where property & cars are dirt cheap, with good welfare & nice people under sunny beach front house with my own yatch, not as gloomy cold in UK or crime infested US. But after getting my residency & living for some time, i found itch to move on, otherwise we are Oz mate…so im on 3rd world exploring…oh those damn shitholes juz so interesting…. hehehehe

Good question, how do we know what’s happening inside NK as we are fed with Western msm fake news since birth, that contradicted with everyone who visited those countries personally, incl a WHO Secretary. I believe those individual visitors are more reliable than Western mouthpiece msm.

Visit yourself to find out like i did for some, such as China which has been foretold to collapse under own debts with failed debt fueled bubble economic over 30yrs by numerous lying West & Indian shameless scholars.

A constant propaganda hyping on next superpower prosperous demoncraptic India that becoming more Hindustan shithole with time. If you read my comment history, im very critical on India corrupted ruling class & its millions of shameless cheating Indians, but very much loving the country rich civilization that surpass China history, & their beautiful rural people.

A very peaceful Myanmar is been smeared with fake news of forced labour, rampant rapes & killing & Rohingya crisis just because its so resource rich and pro-China.

Similarly, peaceful Sri Lanka is been sabotaged with West & India supported Tamil TTE terrorism & Muslim riots, etc.

In some articles, Cuba was found to has the best sustainable Western medical care & free training for global doctors, and flourishing organic farming under crushing embargo.

Iran is one of tech powerhouse & secular country subverted by West for not willing to be subjugated. And blame their econmic hardship on their gov instead of west sanction.

So is Venezuela with world largest proven oil gas is been told so bad people are eating their pets & riot over loaf of bread. Africa most prosperous Libya, oil rich Iraq, all oil resource rich countries are under attacked, incl Russia. Afghanistan has the highest ore resources for lithium battery, and CIA’s world largest opium agri plantation.

A secular Syria where Christian & non Muslims get to live harmony with Muslims has become Assad must go terrorist proxy war, after Assad refused to accept a US Israel bad deal of pipe across Syria to link Israel(stolen offshore gas field) & Saudi gas fields to EU, and a discovery ofpotential super oil gas field) … long list of fake news smeared & sabotaged countries.

Globalresearch.ca has some quite interesting articles on all above, you can search by keywords. Im in slow internet data plan over phone, living in 3rd world now, take too much time to list for you.

It seem always turn out to be a propaganda lies in my personal visits, and those countries make so poor/disorder by West oil & military vultures embargo on humanity ground, that these countries leaders are either trying to preserve their little resources for their elites, or under uncontrollable corruption breed by poverty & Western sabotaging.

In our country, high level healthcare is basic for even every poor, but the wealthy still get super private hospital care, isn’t it. Similarly, in these poor countries, basic healthcare are only affordable by the rich mostly, except NK which is very remarkable to provide high level healthcare for all according to WHO.

How have Chinese living standards changed since 2001, and how have American? This alone answers all the questions.

I have to disagree that it serves to clarify issues.

I know someone who will never enter into business and so, never be rich. His reason? He feels exploited and cheated if/when his prospective partner in business stands to make more money than him. In fact, he feels cheated when his prospective partner makes ANY MONEY AT ALL.

In any business transaction, the profits to be gained are rarely, if ever, shared equally, down to the last cent. One partner will make money, and the other one may make more, or make less.

I tried to make the point that the key consideration was this: If you enter into business together, do both of you HAVE MORE individually as a result, than you would both otherwise have if you had not entered? As the party who stands to, for example, make somewhat less money, would you rather not enter into business and thereby make ZERO money?

Back to the general economic relationship between developed (United States) and developing (China) economies: Of course the profits will not accrue equally – in high-tech collaboration, the United States benefited from China’s low-cost educated labor, and so reaped greater rewards than China. In low-tech exports, China in turn sold to America’s richer middle class, so profiting more than America.

In all honesty, it cannot be said that America as whole is not richer and better-off having traded with China. We are, in objective absolute terms, much better off than if we had not.

The real problem is how the profits and wealth have been distributed in America – meaning largely to the upper corporate ranks, with almost nothing for the middle management and employees.

THAT is a problem with America’s business structure, for which we cannot blame China.

I love the framing of government’s charges to Royal Commissions. That’s where the artfulness comes in!

I think you could be thinking of the appointment of Royal Commissioners and heads of judicial inquiries, though I can recall partisans saying in substance “what on earth did they think appointing someone with his ego meant that the inquiry was in safe hands?”.

The Costigan Inquiry appointed by the Fraser government into, from memory, thuggish waterfront unions, destroyed the government when Frank Costigan QC, of known Labor background pursued rabbits down a hole to where he found “bottom of the harbour” tax schemes.

It is worth remarking that the Bar and judiciary have been do anti-political that it was early made a rule by several superior courts no that no sitting (as opposed to retired) judges would accept appointment to government inquiries. I think one of the earlier such decisions occurred in Victoria after the very senior judge, Sir Charles Lowe, had been Royal Commissioner inquiring into something about the Communist Party. I suppose it led to publuc abuse of a judge without it being punishable (then anyway) as contempt of court.

Very flattering. You remind me of the time a junior member of my extended family, beginning on his PhD research, asked me for help with differential equations…. All shall be done when I reliably access parallel universes for parallel lives (or should I bank on reincarnation for a more traditional miltiplication of experiences?)

My family, for three generations, are almost all lawyers–corporate, family and government law–and I have seen amongst them the collegial antipathy of which you speak and their delight when they manage to get the (especially Commonwealth) government to back down.

But none of their cases impinged upon core government interests, like winning elections or pleasing powerful hegemons. At that level, cases are shunted to safe hands and the required verdict is returned. Always.

Thanks for picking that up. I’ve wondered about it ever since I first read it.

Could you correct it along the lines you suggest, so that it reads as clearly as it should? I don’t have the background to do that.

I take it that you are Chinese. I am glad you said that, as it confirms what I thought.

Please don’t spoil your good stuff by asserting so positively more than you know. Your “in all times and places the legal process is subordinate to the political and it is hypocritical [sic, I think you probably meant 'self-deceiving'] for the oligarchs to claim otherwise. There is no such thing as an independent legal system [I think you mean judiciary, don't you, although an ethical legal profession is vital too] anywhere” is rhetorical overkill that conveys very little truth of any value.

I can assure you that lawyers in your country of origin, particularly the independent Bars, take great pride in collegiality and boring it up governments in their many manifestations, and big business and unions. I recall well the pride felt when the government was determined on a hanging (it got one last one four years later) and successive judges had refused applications for injunctions, eventually at 9.30 pm on the Tuesday before the 8 am Thursday hanging, after which three judges of the High Court of Australia fitted in a Wednesday morning Melbourne hearing before departure for the Sydney sittings of the court and the Chief Justice requested of the Solicitor-General an undertaking to the court that the hanging would not take place before the matter could be considered properly on the following Tuesday. The Solicitor-General knew his political masters too well to give that undertaking at his own discretion so the Chief Justice said ” We make this order solely to uphold the inherent authority of this court [NB. not in any statute or constitution but "inherent" and the CJ was privately rather contemptuous of the senior judge who had sat until late the night before] to preserve the subject matter of an appeal” and he pronounced the injunctive order.

Then you would also be aware of the failures of governments before the courts in the vital matter of taxes. Of course you can say as a trite truism that there is no pure independent judicial or legal system any more than there can be anything close to pure free trade but that is to prefer trivia to substance. As with most of our virtues we have to put up with aspirations and striving for the ideal.

And again you have brought in the word “virtue” again that seems to me to show that we are engaged in a dialogue where our arguments are never destined to meet on the same ground. Assuming a judge is not bribable and – a problem here for Chinese judges – not going to be influenced in his decision by anything communicated outside the court hearing or by the authority or status of counsel, where does “virtue” come in?

The law says A is in the right but I judge that he is a bad man so I shall find against him!?!

A and B have a dispute over whether building work complied with specs and should be paid for or whether it is so defective that only rebuilding will suffice. Scope for “virtue”??!!!

A is quite right that no tax is legally payable on his large windfall gain but we think a virtuous man would have given up half the gain to the state if not to a charity – which he has not claimed….

If you really know the connotations of “virtue” in the Chinese legal context can you say how it affects outcomes in practice? How does it differ from traditions of judges having to hear both/all parties and sllow them to develop their cases fully, that judges must have no personal interest in tbe outcome, that they follow carefully worked out sentencing guidelines etc? It does seem that they effectively take orders from the party.

I ask about the concept because I can imagine the explosive derision of the average Australian barrister if he went to the swearing in of the new CJ and heard him/her say that if he wanted anything to be remembered of his tenure he would like it to be that it was marked by Virtue’s elevation as a judicial principle and as a concept whose time had come for deep embedding in our traditions. After all what would you make of that? Humbug surely? So why not also the Chinese version that you favour?

BTW did you know that the several Australian Bars were so keen on independence of the judiciary that they staunchly opposed promotion of judges within one jurisdiction where it could be seen as a reward for siding with the State as litigant? True, though sadly not observed now.

You are conflating balance of payments with balance of trade. I don’t blame you being confused by that Martin Feldstein article which wouldn’t open on the FT site but I got in pdf form elsewhere. I think Feldstein should have reread ot and self-edited it to remove some, to put it politely, opaque statements.

To deny the possibility of currrncy manipulation – or equivalent protective measures – can cause damage to or in the non- manipulator (but also maybe the manipulator) is plain wrong. It’s not just a case of American workers losing their jobs or being paid less because their employers can’t compete with Chinese imports (that many of their employed countrymen enjoy) the same is true of Germany’s currency being undervalued and putting Greeks out of jobs because it is the one size fits all Euro and the Germans are so much more efficient that they have much the same cost advantage as China vis a vis America.

It seems inevitable that lower paid Americans are going to do worse than the high skill-high paid as their smarter compatriots decide not to give up the advantages of global freeish trade. And, as good Christians, although age and geographical location may make adjusting a bit hard, are they going to begrudge higher incomes for poor people in developing countries?

I don’t think he’s making a “Western mistake”. Count TT as a junior or middling officer in a Chinese Consulate, probably in the US. He’s received some of his education in an English speaking country.

Actually, America’s balance of trade has nothing to do with China or anyone else. It’s an entirely domestic matter, as former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, Harvard professor Martin Feldstein, has written, “every student of economics knows or should know that the current account balance of each country is determined within its own borders and not by its trading partners.” Basic accounting principles tell us that the United States’ overall trade deficit is the result of a shortage in national savings relative to spending due to excessive government budget deficits and households consuming beyond their means. The countries that show up as being the source of the offsetting trade surpluses are coincidental”.

[End the currency manipulation debate – Financial Times.

https://www.ft.com/content/527f9d0a-b97b-3cd1-9fd6-2c6e75f3824f

In all times and places, the legal process is subordinate to the political and it is hypocritical of our oligarchs to claim otherwise. There is no such thing as an independent legal system, anywhere.

Unless rule of law is subordinate to rule of virtue, the result will be what we have in the US today: thousands executed and millions incarcerated without trial and public confidence in the courts at an all time low.

China’s balance between virtue and law works much better. When Harvard’s Tony Saich asked the public to prioritize their concerns, they ranked ‘Maintenance of Social Order’ highest and, when he asked which government service they were most satisfied with they again placed ‘Maintenance of Social Order’ first. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/23812346.2016.1138690.

Would they swap their system for ours?

Disagree, China exports a lot more to America than vice versa. Tariffs will hit some US companies hard, but overall China will suffer more than the US. Also, remember that many Chinese exports to US are products produced for European and Japanese companies. Germany and Japan will probably be hit harder than the US, which is why they’re getting alarmed. If the US had a tariff war with Latin America it might be a different story, as the US has an export surplus with Latin America, but you can’t loose a trade war with a country you have a big trade deficit with.

You’re making the western mistake of looking at this from the perspective of individual actors rather than nations.

I have just read two articles touching on rule of law ideals aspirations and actualities that I think you would find rewarding. Both are in the April 5 – 18 issue of the NYRB Volume LXV, Number 6.

One is by NY Federal District Judge Jed Rakoff and paints a sad picture of the American judiciary’s systematic failure to hold the Executive (especially the military and “national security” related) to account. That of course is a big blemish on America’s reputation as a Rule of Law country though it doesn’t affect the nature or validity of objections made against the legal systems of countries which don’t even aspire to be Rule of Law countries.

The other article is even more relevant to considering why one might not wish to be at the mercy of Communist police, prosecutors and judges in China. It is “God is a Russian” by Timothy Snyder, Levin Professor of History at Yale. He writes of the extraordinary philosopher Ivan Ilyin [yes, by partly fortunate coincidence for him, a nom de guerre of Lenin]. Ilyin started out as one of the young educated Russians who wanted above all the rule of law in the Czar’s empire, though puzzled about how you could sell the idea to the vast peasantry.

He was inspired by German philosopers, including Kant and Hegel, though not necessarily consistently. But by the time he had been helped out of trouble by Lenin (though, unlike Lenin he believed in God in an idiosyncratic way) and escaped the Soviet Union to form part of the cheer squad for White fascist revanchism against the Bolsheviks he became an enthusiast for Mussolini.

Should we be surprised that Putin and many others including the ex KGB man heading the Russian Orthodox Church have taken to quoting him favourably as supporting Putin’s type of supposedly nationalistic autocracy.
In 1925 he wrote “fascism is a redemptive excess of patriotic arbitrariness” in praise of forms of government which were clearly not conventionally Christian or in favour of rule of law. No doubt Mr Xi would approve the sentiment if it could be sobered up a bit for the technocrats. There are too many good quotes for me to load this up with now, but do look out for the word “virtue” about three quarters of the way through and consider what humbug a traditional Chinese mandarin might think it coming from a barbarian – and opportunistic – Slav, even though they also disdain the individualistic Western idea of Rule of Law.

Why are only a limited class of North Koreans able to enjoy the good things available there? Good hospitals you say – but for whom?

Just like the Moscow underground (?Metro) was such a great proof of the superior performance of the USSR and its economy!

BTW if so much money can be spent on what you admire why are so many North Koreans of stunted growth from poor nutrition and treated as an under class?

Juz google Beautiful North Korea to see for yourself those photos taken by visitors, compare with what West is lying with down under Oz gov. There were some old articles in Globalresearch showing photo of its medical care, schools, libraries, underground tubes, gymnastics, museums, etc. They are of truly amazing high standard, far from the msm propaganda.

Majon beach

Oh dear, so now I’m Redneck Anglo again …

Blame Kim for their poverty, courtesy of axis of evils embargo by US Nato UK, Canada, Oz & Nz.

Some beautiful photos of NK.

Mansudae Grand Monument

Sunset view overlooking
the Grand People’s Study House

The city of Pyongyang

A Farmer and his Child at Chonsam Cooperative Farm

Koryo Museum Entrance

Wonsan City

Pyongyang City

The city with the unique architecture building, along a straight Highway

Blame these countries gov for not giving them Australia living standard. Nikki Harley shrieking in UN, we must support economic angry protestors to subvert Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Africa, Palestinian, Lebanon, Vietnam, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Philippine, Sri Lanka, Mauritius, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Brazil, Agentina, South America, Mexico,…China 40yrs ago, endless list of West & Oz sabotage job.

I see you turned up on UR as Vidi (not Vici I am glad to note) in September last year and I still haven’t worked out why. (You are far superior to TT and I don’t think you are an alter ego of Godfee Roberts though I haven’t totally and finally excluded that possibility. A plural person? I don’t think so. They tend to go out of control like the unlamented “Rehmat”).

The reason I remain interested is that your last comment, presumably tossed off quite carelessly, contained the rather odd “as opposed to them being killed by the CIA” which presupposes a rewriting of an awful lot of what passes for contemporary history, and, above all, finding motive. I suppose a mate of Oswald Mosley might have suggested in the 1930s that the “Night of the Long Knives ” was not Hitler’s wickedness against his former leading supporters but the work of the NKVD or French or British intelligence. But I don’t see you as in that company or class.

Indeed, i have a lot of respect for your usual judicious balanced style which conforms with my preference for witholding overstatement and over certainty. I not only welcome the direction my already multi-racial, (actively integrating) multi-cultural country is likely to go with the right kind of immigration policy, I could see myself living comfortably in many non Islamic Asian countries, including China, without wishing them more democratic by theoretical Western standards. Still you aren’t really going to go into bat for North Korea as an acceptable way to run a country are you?!?
I guess you might be a quite polymathic person with a scientific background – if only senior level teaching physics and chemistry at high school on what you have so far disclosed – and one who has at least a serious interest in, and, probably, experience of East Asia. Possibly of East Asian parentage but I guess not.

Aha! It has taken me some time to find that it was indeed you who said “China has changed the world already with the Four Great Inventions”. It didn’t strike me as necessarily meeting your intellectual standards. Did European’s use of those inventions depend on acquiring them from China as implied? Not so it seems as for a long time the Three Great Inventions were assumed to be European and traced to their German “inventors”. (See the good Wiki article on “Four Great Inventions”) So what? Your point about contemporary China being able to learn from others and innovate to great effect (my paraphrase) is perfectly valid.

Clearly institutions and related culture played a dominant part in the rise of Europe and relative decline of China. Combined with further rapid innovation such as the internet and 5G change becomes an accelerating phenomenon in some areas, posing challenges in others which China seems determined to meet, albeit within some Chinese specific constraints (fear of China’s history of internal chaos and warlordism amongst them???). Not so most Islamic countries. Big ellipsis…..
[Note that on the first definition searching will produce that is complimentry to you.....]

Demography is the elephant in the room we haven’t given enough attention to. Cf. John Detbyshire’s recent UR article. Cf. also the fact that Malthus would have continued to be right everywhere but for “The European Miracle” (Eric Jones’s book title).

I once said, about 1999 in a formal interview, that nothing we were talking about would look in 25 years time as important as China’s One Child Policy. Thank G (if there were one) that countries which didn’t need to catch up were spared such hard measures! Now btw one has to ask whether it hasn’t been dysgenic. At least China still has millions more bright minds to invent a healthy future for us in the undoubtedly dysgenically breeding West. Demographics should also cast an explanatory light on the past to make rabid nationalists and chauvinists of all persuasions understand why so many changes occurred or were frustrated. How come there are so many poor Africans and subcontinentals multiplying and surviving still today when they were all so happy 200 years ago? Some of those who rightly deplore some of the results of having welfare states should consider how much better the world would nonetheless be for our greatgrandchildren if African families were given pensions for restraining their fertlity snd educating the girls…..

I don’t write for you to read, but for some who can benefits from independent sources that i find worthy.

You are making yourself a laughing stock by asking those questions that you should answer yourself, what your Wapo & BBC feed you since born.

Your comments everywhere have almost no substance, ranting on very obscured hinting & abstract delusional stories, quoting obvious West msm nonsense as usual. Even one word of you is a waste of time & resource, sorry to say.

I engaged you simply to support Mr Roberts, who do us great favour in sharing some good insights of China. My goal completed, readers can judge themselves who has better credibility & talk sense.

North Korea whose leader has had his uncle and half brother murdered

What evidence have you that Kim Jong Un had his uncle and half brother killed? As opposed to them being killed by the CIA, an American organization with a very long record of assassinations?

Last year, the NK Ministry of State Security accused the CIA of trying to kill the leader (Kim) :

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/05/cia-long-history-kill-leaders-around-the-world-north-korea

Of course, the Guardian is no longer that reliable, and the North Korean government may also have reasons to be flexible with the truth. But I am not dismissing the accusation out of hand, because the CIA has such a long, unsavory history.

Oh yes: And why don’t they let their citizens emigrate like other countries?

And, by the way, do you actually know any journalists or editors? Or are you just a hermit dependent on electronic communications for your simulation of interaction with the eorld and its media?

Whether you eat or don’t eat dogs is and was of no interest to me which is why I did not acknowledge the trivial detail that you didn’t yourself do what caused you to write so many words.

On important matters which you have evaded… Do you deny that Kim Jong-un is an autocrat dependent above all on military support? Do you deny that he had his uncle murdered (and one of his popular projects obliterated)? Do you deny that his half brother was murdered in Malaysia by North Korean agents? Fo you deny the figures showing North Korean malnutition which could have been relieved by expenditure diverted from armaments including the nuclear program as well as luxuries available to officials and senior military officers? Do you deny the abduction of Japanese nationals and the denial of their right to return or indeed of their existence over several decades dedpite North Korea not being at war with Japan? And, as to sanctions, what has that mattered while China and Russia have been their close neighbours and defenders/supporters?

As i clearly mentioned i never will eat dog, even my hospitable Korean colleagues invited, neither do i pretend to be morally superior to China people or Koreans.

They are morally better than those who do cruel game hunting for fun, certainly wolves & fox(Oz exterminate with poison baits) are more intelligent than dogs. And some Oz like ramping down Kangaroos for fun, also slaughtering them for dog food.

Your persistent regurgitation of West msm propaganda sewage without bother to even read what others tried to provide a reliable alternative independent info on NK has clearly reflect on your credibility.

A country under such unprecedented destruction with bombs more than whole ww2 add up dropped in a tiny land, flattening every civilian cities with anything that moved, under 50yrs of crushing embargo, could rebuild with such stella performance nation that even WHO Secretary after visited, exclaimed “a healthcare that is of US envy”.

We are world apart in our desire for truth, so we should stop here.

Sincerely I truly can’t figure out what you tried to say so far, besides proclaiming you find GR credibility wanting due to his Oz background & his discussion with you over Oz politics, coupled with some of your personal unpleasant experience here & there….with puzzling abstract “hinting”.

Since there is nothing you can factually pointed out, im concluding based on Mr Robert factual writings as a more credible source of information than your very confusing replies going round the bush. Case closed. Thanks.

you say that the only msm news sources you go to are Russian and Chinese while you reject anything from, presumably, everything from NYT, WSJ, FT, Guardian, Der Spiegel, The Economist, South China Morning Post etc to BBC, Deutsche Welle etc. How would you assess anything I say? Agreement with RT radio or the Global Times?

Independent sites, China & Russia msm are only news source i go to nowsaday.

I hope you could find the word “independent sites” you truncated that i access, like Globalresearch, PCR, ICH, Consortium news, MoonofAlabama, Veterans, Unz… and also RT & Global Times, Xinhuanet,…with that i could compare rich info that West msm are faking or not reporting, like US Nato atrocities in Syria war with collaboration of moderate terrorists & Noble Peace Prize nominated white helmets terrorists.

Indeed those Western presstitute msm you listed out, which were once my daily news sources, have zero credibility filled with fake news, a pure obscene low grade propaganda tool with no slightest modesty to hide, from Iraq has WMD to Russia did it.

Since we are world apart in our news source & goal here, l shall stop now. Thks for kindly responding.

“Boastful”. Please explain. Have you read his paragraph beginning “We are never more than a veneer away from lynching”?

I’m perfectly happy for you to eat dogs and even spend an inordinate proportion of your word count defending it but you can hardly expect people to accept your pretence of wanting civilised discourse when you go into bat head over heels for North Korea whose leader has had his uncle and half brother murdered, refuses to allow emigration, and has so distorted the use of and access to resources that his underfed people are on average several centimetres shorter than those in South Korea.

Your premises are wrong so I shall not attempt to make a case for what *you* say my case is wrt GR’s interesting writings.

It is a little disconcerting that you can’t see the logic of my having at least tentative reservations about the expert on Eurasian dogs who tosses in “by the way all cats in Australia are black”.

But then you put yourself in another universe to which I fear there is not even a worm hole connection with mine when you say that the only msm news sources you go to are Russian and Chinese while you reject anything from, presumably, everything from NYT, WSJ, FT, Guardian, Der Spiegel, The Economist, South China Morning Post etc to BBC, Deutsche Welle etc. How would you assess anything I say? Agreement with RT radio or the Global Times?

Substantively similar, but not as boastful.

you helped communist N Korea invade S Korea and you have had your share of civil wars.

You should go Globalresearch.ca to read up Korea War to know what’s your msm are lying to you, its your evil empire US invading war. China is the savior of North Koreans that US wanted to exterminate, even now after 50yrs war end in stalemate.

Who is the real evil demon? NK or US?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-versus-the-united-states-who-are-the-demons/28342

Achievement of NK in healthcare that WHO Secretary said its an envy murkans can dream about, free quality education…

https://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-their-health-system-sucks-do-they-have-schools-and-hospitals-in-america-weve-got-medicare/5604293

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-social-and-economic-achievements-of-north-korea/5594234

Go take a look of real North Korea by google some images, you will be surprise how US msm propaganda has been brainwashing us. Its a clean neat nice country with impressive growing GDP economic even under crushing west sanction for last 50yrs. They simply refused to die, with China humane help.

However we can call it even and consider you civilized when you quit having dog killing festivals and eating them. That would get you killed in this country by Americans like me.

No, not even the slightest chance to equate US tyranny civilization built on atrocities & wars(how many yrs US isn’t on war?) with opiods & LBGT to China 5,000 yrs of Confucianism civilization.

Dog eating has been thousands year of history in Chinese traditional medical believing that its a great tonic for winter. Korean has long street of dog eating shops with dog carcasses stripped of skin hanging when i visited, but i refused to try. They simply loved it. So are Thailand, Taiwan, and some Asian countries. But only China is to be singled out, bcos Uncle Scam said so.

And my country, yours likely too, are systematically slaughtering stray & expensive unwanted pet dogs in humanity hypocrite reason instead of food reason, when no one is asking our gov to feed them. Aren’t we more blamable than Chinese? And our gov punished animal abuser more seriously than human rights abuser, don’t we?

Also USM UK Nato endless wars, creating proxy ISIS terrorists to massacre Syrians & Iraqis in millions, what a joke we are here talking animal rights to Chinese who has not wage a single war in last many decades.

And what’s different between massive slaughtering of pigs(known to be higher intelligent than dog), cattles & fishes for food? Isn’t Dolphins & some whales are highest intelligent among animals, that Japanese & Swedish(?) are slaughtering in mass for ritual fun annually, not food.

Dogs & monkeys, orangutans, chimpanzees, etc. are also routinely subjected to more cruel torturing clinical tests by West & developed countries. A suffering many fold well surpassing what Chinese done to their medical food with one chop(as National Geography said humane killing in least pain).

So are we all should be killed by Chinese for more cruelty to animals, some more adorable & intelligent than dogs? That’s our hypocrite double standard of rights & civilization on anyone refuse to subjugate by US..

arsonist calling others lighting candle for light as criminal……hehehehe

I made some observation about China not historically bding expansionist and anyway not threatening us whatever it had inflicted on India over borders before leaving.

This gave a very good hint of what you have been reading & indoctrined. Your PM Turnbull & msm are still hysterical running 24/7 yellow perils, sinophobe threats & meddling to control Oz, as though US & UK with other countries are so Lily Pure. US even removed your PM who opposed to join Vietnam war.(unclassified)

Its open known facts that 1962 Sino-Indi border war, India PM Nehru as a pathological liar & expansionist, had ordered to invade China under US&UK and Soviet blessings, believing he had superior outnumbered force so well prepared & equipped over poor China, but soundly defeated by a small PLA lead by military genius Ling Piao in surprisingly swift counter attack reaching near Delhi. China was so humane to pull back, return all POW captured with dead buried in honor way.

Unable to swallow his own self inflicted humiliation, Nehru lied to his own people shamelessly that China had back stabbed India. Soon he died for his bad kamma in killing many innocents for his quest of expansion after independent, for all his lies & atrocities that poison India-China relationship till now. Last year Donglan border crisis is another repeated Indian shameless lies stunt, awaiting kind Oz help to reveal.

Since India gain independent, China South Tibet, Sikhim, 7sisters akar Naga land, 50 princely states, were gobbled up. Bhutan lost its entire sovereignty, without India approval it cant has any foreign diplomatic relationship till today. Nepal, Sri Lanka & Mauritius are still continuously under subversion with military & terrorism thrrats or Weapon of Mass Migration. Kashmir is still under military attacked. Bangladesh been splitted from Pakistan by India invasion backed by US, was too poor & muslimized that India refused to take in.

Its attempt at Oz was a backlashed by whites attacked. But it got excellent result in US, with Indian Nikki Harley as UN ambassador & Raj Khan as WH spoke person now, and Indian CEO over 30% of US corps. I was told Spore has literally turn to Little Delhi now, under Unequal Treaty forced into Spore throat. Its parliament, judicial, financial, IT, banking…are overwhelming stack with suspicious “Indians” honcho of low quality now, with a Indian DPM of criminal record in leaking state secret.

Now let some rare good honest Australian whites speak out the Truth of India attacked China in 1962 with facts.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/It-wasnt-China-but-Nehru-who-declared-1962-war-Australian-journalist-Neville-Maxwell/amp_articleshow/33094229.cms

http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2011/08/02/china-s-india-war-how-the-chinese-saw-the-1962-conflict/

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/maos-return-to-power-passed-through-india/

And now read all the long history of lies written by shameless Indians & West liars till today. Juz google, its voluminous.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/india-china-war-of-1962-839077-2016-11-21

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/CJB.htm

Google under Indian Pichai seem to has carefully scrubbed all search results to throw up Indians & US/UK lying propaganda. You need to specific in search term trying repeatedly to bring up anything negative about India nowsaday.

While i respect your life long experience, still im awaiting to hear your specific sharing on where Mr Roberts is making untrue starry eyes proclamation of China matter in his various articles & comments that i find very refreshing and unbiased for a westerner(or Down under if he is a Oz).

Mr Roberts even arouse my interest to rethink about Mao again, as West leaders & their msm echoed by staunch lackey Oz msm has absolutely reveal their presstitute ugliness of blatant fake news over last few years without slightest modesty. If im to read any West msm, its to see what’s biggest lies of the day. Independent sites, China & Russia msm are only news source i go to nowsaday.

Now, pls enlightened all readers with facts where Mr Robert’s writing is deemed doubtful & wanting, not some heresy from a senior judge nobody know or your feelings due to some unpleasant encounter.

You are highly intellectual writing with sophisticated old English, you should have no excuse to know your judge friend or solicitor will advise you its tantamount to defamation less you can produce solid facts to substantiate your “respectful comment” in casting doubts on someone credibility in public forum.

If he indeed is proven as you commented of wanting credibility & a starry eyed chicom troll, then we should view his writings with more scrutiny & care.

How would the equivalent to this excellent piece read in a Chinese opinion mag?

http://takimag.com/article/trial_by_fury_theodore_dalrymple/page_2#axzz5C3RBoJbt

It by a Jewish psychiatrist with much experience of criminals and prisons.

What adds nothing to the conversation is amateurish waffling which pays no attention to the words and concepts of educated people.

One example will do if you are capable of shame. I said nothing about “authoritarianism” but referred to the culture of deferring to elders and thos with formal authority – of which my anecdote was merely a bit of illustrative colour to help those who respond to that kind of presentation (most people any teacher of public speaking would tell you).

Your anecdote is still worthless and adds nothing to the conversation. I think you used it because that’s all you have.

Regarding authoritarianism, this should not be reduced to a something simple or universal since there are different circumstances and cultures at play here.

Having spent time in the west and the east, I feel much freer almost everywhere in Asia. The west being some bastion of freedom is so 90′s I can’t believe you are trying to pass that off here. You must be an old man.

Our rights here in the west have eroded so much I find it unbearable. I’m sure there are things in China that can land you in jail when it should not, but so what?

No country is really free, so you have to pick and choose what is important to you.

I trust my money more in the west, but that’s about it.

i thought you shameful “redneck” of country but it seems you even dumber, sack of shit that speak only one language. Иди́ к чёрту! you robber hurt us more….shameful hiding words blame others…anglo.

-vavalika

I had splendid confirmation of the truth of that observation (admittedly a truth with many exceptions) when leading an inquiry into juries which we used as reason to circumnavigate the world asking questions and listening. Actually I put down the high prevalence of approval of the lical system to avoidance of cognitive dissonance – which I suspecct Herodotus would have had noo trouble with.

If one should propose to all men a choice, bidding them select the best customs from all the customs that there are, each race of men, after examining them all, would select those of his own people; thus all think that their own customs are by far the best. Herodotus, The Histories

Some of that is true…but China is not lily white, you helped communist N Korea invade S Korea and you have had your share of civil wars.

However we can call it even and consider you civilized when you quit having dog killing festivals and eating them. That would get you killed in this country by Americans like me.

Oh dear, so now I’m Russian again. But this vatnik business actually doesn’t sound too bad

“vatnik

A Russian jingoist and a supporter of Putin’s politics. Exhibits stereotypical traits of a Russian jingoist: alcoholism, slovenliness, poverty and unconditional support of any decision of the Russian government.

– Crimea is ours!
– You are such a vatnik! ”

“The word “vatnik” can be used by Russians both in negative manner, to describe those of Russians who show forms of patriotism that are too jingoistic or foolish,[28] and sometimes in positive manner – to express speaker’s support for some aspects of Russian culture/values/politics.”

It really sounds like I’m in the majority there in Russia, especially with regards to the alcohol and Putin, traditional values and conservatism, self-sufficiency. Yes, screw globalization / integration, man must make his own vodka, Chinaman will put industrial solvents into the vodka to give it kick and sell it to you at a cheaper price instead of taking the time and effort to ferment and distill it properly.

What a lot of words with which to prove you have a tin ear. I was just jeering at a low IQ performsnce.

Interesting and good news in its way but I am not sure you get the distinction I point to between the different traditions. I don’t understand the “Legalists” of centuries BC as having a philosophical/jurisprudential base in common with Western rule-of-law-not-of-men lawyers and legal philosophers. You are pretty good at winging it but I don’t expect you to expound that Chinese Legalism esppecially when you pause to consider your rash attribution of rule of law to China back 3000
years unless you choose to ignore, for example, the first emperor and his son…

Mind you I deplore the US criminal justice system with its noxious combination of public slander (protected by the First Amendment), threats, overcharging and plea deals. I also deplore the rise of law-and-order-and-victims-free-kicks populism in other Anglophone countries. However….

The Chinese control of law (including illegal) enforcement and adjudication by the CCP is in another universe. In legal historical terms it goes back to huge populsr approval rates when royal or feudal or any authority’s forces gave the people burning of witches and heretics and hanging drawing and quartering of alleged traitors of a dissident religion to enormous enthusiasm of the crowd. And that’s without considering those incorroptible French models of rectitude in the 1790s who briefly set the pace for successors like the CCP.

But I admire the old Bar traditions in my country where “the liberty of the subject comes first” meant that a bail appeal conducted by junior counsel was heard before the QC was allowed to seek an injunction over a $25 million property. Now of course the right to bail everywhere is attenuated, and most often – when not because of ideology or malice – for lack of imagination as to what could be done to secure competing interests without incarceration. That doesn’t mean that a system which allows the CCP to snatch, lock up and convict at 99 per cent rates is accepttable on any view of human nature that I would regard as realistic. (No rule of the saints ever, anywhere, past, present or future. Good doctrine and principles can help. China is probably hurt by having a tradition of civilisation which they like to take pride in however much it failed them when modernity emerged elsewhere. Nelson Mandela with no such historical burden had no problem understanding and valuing the Wesyern concept of rule of law**)

**Don’t you find it depressing that, absent this footnote, some idiotic comment would probably ignore the word “concrpt” in what I have just written?

Quite.
Unfortunately that barbarian tradition is even worse. However….

My point is about a cultural tradition which defers to authority rather than one which cobdones injustice because of racial prejudice. Gottit?

I think I have been quite respectful by UR comment standards of Mr Roberts, of whom I had never heard when I first read or skimmed his interesting paean to Mao. It took me back to early days when I had been reading Felix Greene and Edgar Snow (though I have a guilty suspicion that “Red Star Over China” mostly sat accusingly on the bedside table) and I made some observation about China not historically bding expansionist and anyway not threatening us whatever it had inflicted on India over borders before leaving. An elderly judge noted the similar starry eyed views being spread around at the time of the Spanish Civil War snd helped to reinforce my natural scepticism and tolerance of uncrrtainty.

If I have seemed to be rude to Mr Godfree (whom I add to my quite long list of people I admire for coming back enterprisingly from financial disaster: I remember my own bad times and shudder at the thought they could have been as bad as others have suffeted) please note that my princcipal activity wrt UR is to decide, when I have woken earlier than I wish to rise, to find some bad/sloppy/carelessly expressed arguments to criticise – especially pathological certainties, if not ssneer at. I have very few certainties or even strongly held views that I want ti blow fruitlessly into the blogosphere. So….

I warned Mr Godfree and other readers that I had detected one symptom of unreluability that lifelong experience has taught me should fortify my scepticism and nit picking. He’s quite a salesman – good luck to him – he reminds me of a friend in another Asian country who has similarly staged something of a recovery from a failed business at home – but overblown assertions about politics which I absolutely know to be wrong fortify the irritated sceptic in me – irritated in part because I have to restrain my pleasure at coming across a novel perspective. Having just decided on investigation that L. Fletcher Prouty was at best a Walter Mitty character rather than source of important information I am sensitised to these matters.

This is not a topic that lends itself to anecdotes. China’s well-documented experience with rule of law goes back 3000 years and is ongoing.

Briefly, Between 2012-2016, violent crime fell forty-three percent (road fatalities dropped fifty-six percent) and satisfaction with public security rose from eighty-seven percent to ninety-two percent making China one of the most trusting, law-biding societies on earth.

When Harvard’s Tony Saich asked the public to prioritize their concerns, they ranked ‘Maintenance of Social Order’ highest and, when he asked which government service they were most satisfied with they again placed ‘Maintenance of Social Order’ first.

Today, after the most lawless century in Chinese history, death penalties are declining and the Social Credit campaign promises to create a smooth transition to a just, xiaokang society.

Nice anecdote. I could just as easily come up with an example in the west about a black man on trial and sitting on a jury with 6 other southerners.

So anyone who says something you deem as pro China must be paid by the gov?

How bout trying to debate ideas and not the person instead of ad hominem attacks when you can’t think of something.

Oh, by the way. It is common knowledge that the west pays for content and news all the time via CNN, Hollywood, and online content. So maybe you are a paid troll too.

Don’t forget CIA has been providing financial and military training to Dalai Lama and his followers to start uprising against CPC, to destablise China via gurrilla wars along China-India borders from later 1950s till 70s when US decided to make alliance with China against USSR, and to provide media propaganda/coverage from wall to wall to brainwash its people and to discredit PRC/CPC .

CIA helped and coodinated Dalai Lama’s escape to India in 1959, paid Dalai Lama 180,000 USD per year, gave (now is done through NED) 2-3 million USD to so-called Tibetan exile government annually.

There are tons of video and documents about CIA’r role in abetting the Tibetan separatists.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU9FKVd-rv0

Korea war started on June 25th June, US entered the war on June 27th and bombed Northeast (Manchuria) on 27th and 29th, August. MacArthur wanted to invade China, even thinking to nuke China to submission. This is one of the main reason he was later fired. This is why China took part in Korean War becasue of its own national sovereignty under attacks from US and its allies.

Mao had expressed his desire to work US but was turned down due to US’s allegic reaction to commies. The Western did what they could to put embargos and sanctions against China, just like what they did to Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

US did not even recognise PRC offically until 1979!

Few Westerners know the evil and shameful role their governments played in trying to kill off PRC.

On GR v. Rudd on China, however, I suspect both should be found wanting as GR seems to be starry eyed about China, ignoring the well proven status of Chinese, including their leaders not least, as fallible human beings.

While we don’t know what happens between your encounter with Mr Roberts that make you commented on his credibility as doubtful, do you have any to share on what he has writen so far in unz about China that you think is not factual or doubtful to say he has starry eye?

So far i have find his articles & comments are quite factual with reference sources without putting in too much personal judgement. That make him one of most credible writer in unz.

We ate perhaps not talking quite the same language unless your “rule of laws [sic]” is a typing error.

[Too many typos]

The Westrrn, especislly Common Law tradition is Rule of Law [singular] as agsinst the Rule of Men. Of course case law developed the Common Law but the theory largely adhered to was that the principles on which previous cases had neen decided determined what the applicable rules were and a judge’s personal prefrrences had to give way to any established principles which could intellectually, by proper judicial method, be applied to the instant case. I daresay the Continent of Europe was more influenced by Nstural Law doctrines but with a similar striving to remove the person of the judge, including his personal virtue or otherwise, from the adjudicating process. To my mind the proof beyond ressonable doubt rule in criminal cases is a similar attempt to avoid having the law damsge people by inflicting on them the results of fallible human judgment. From what I understand about the Mandarin traditions and respect for elders and authority in Chinese culture I wouldn’t fancy my chsnces as an innocent defendant in s criminsl case. That is consistent with what I was told by a Chinese speaking English businessman who had been born in Tianjin and grew up in China. He had served on a Hong Kong jury of 7 with six ethnic Chinese and said they all were for simply accepting what the prosecution alleged despite what he thought were real doubts that had been raised.

the Chinese approach to rule of laws that it must always degenerate into tricksterism unless it is subject to rule of virtue. That’s what the CCP is supposed to provide and Xi is expected to exemplify.

Does he?

“I would put him in the Nelson Mandela’s class of persons. A person with enormous emotional stability who does not allow his personal misfortunes or sufferings affect his judgment. In other words, he is impressive.” Lee Kwan Yew, Founder of Singapore.

http://world.time.com/2007/11/19/chinas_nelson_mandela/

Profoundly insightful, an almost invaluable contribution to this discussion on the WTO.

After they received their bribes, the barbarians insisted on year-round trading rights w China which, after weakly protesting, the Chinese granted. They then proceeded to win back, in profit, more than the value of the tribute they’d paid.

Sound familiar?

Your posted subscription links is always not accessible, pls take note.

While US President Donald Trump is turning up the heat on Beijing with escalating tariffs against Chinese exports to the US, the long-term result may be the opposite of what he intended.

This writer has missed some important deeper points. The entire trade war is not just serving Trumps’ gimmick for year end election only, it also serve to block Made by China 2025 plan & aspiration to move up supply chain to high tech innovation. This is China core interest, not to be negotiated.

All high tech products like aerospace, flat TV, medical, semicon, telecomm, robotics, etc are targeted purposefully to deny China development like 5G & AI, access to US market, and West technology sharing.

US plan to keep China at bottom supply chain with meagre margins while US continue to reap high profit at top end, with dominant control to entire high tech supply.

China knows, its a trade blockage to its 2025 plan, like 70% self sufficient target in semicon. West & Japan have been blocking China access to semicon technology since 1950′s, refused high tech equipments sales, with sprawling IP filing to sue late comer. Only simpleton like Caldre believe US has been generously transferring technology & FDI to make China successful.

Trumps steel & alu tariffs is catalyst aimed to split EU & others to block China trade, as it exempted some countries while China accounted for merely 4% is targeted. Its to blackmail China into accepting unequal terms in later trade negotiation, and to obsolete WTO after it has finished serving China Squeezing purpose. China well seasoned technocrat leaders see through what a little biz man Trumps’ team is up to.

After China countered with Trumps $3B steel & alu tariffs targeting his agri redneck voting bank, Trumps arrogantly list out $50B tariffs as bigger threat, while tweeting no trade war with his trade minister seeking visit to Beijing. China slap back $50B list on cars, aerospace, agri, etc. within 12hrs, very impressive speed to deny Trumps chance to back down.

Without China expanding largest market, US car industry will relegate to 2nd tier, surpass by Germany & Jp. Boeing will have less orders. Such market unable to meet certain production qty can turn profit to loss as overhead is high.

China export only account for 19% of its GDP, with US accounted for 15%. So China can live without US trade, unlike other country. With its strong production base & policy, $3T reserves, it can expedite restructuring to emerge stronger.

US will miss the world largest market, while China continue its trade expansion into the world enabled by BRI to generate wealth to more countries, hence new market for China.

And Petrol Yuan will be expanded into all tradings at faster pace since a prosperous US market no longer a bonus, hence a quicken death to US dollar.

Now Trumps unable to retract unless China let him climb down by concession, has up his bet to $100B, China vowed to follow suit at any cost. Also China file complaint to WTO.

So trade war will be retaliated in full force. China just warn that it will not just trading be targeted, asymmetric war will be applied to stop many strategic cooperations.

Most Chinese trade bodies & Chinese are supporting their gov to fight all out as they perceived that as US bully, vs all murkans jumping angrily over what’s gonna hit their livelihood.

Also many US companies are producing in China to import back cheap, tariffs only hurt them & US consumers, together with EU & Jp, Korea losing export to China, as China is only the assembly line making up small value.

There is another huge service sector, oil & gas import, & financial market that US has big trade surplus, which China will target at its discretion. US FDI is also reaping huge profit in China, like car joint venture, which will be screwed when trade war escalate. Plenty of buttons for China to press, since China is more open to US investment than US to China.

China will now control the game play by its own rule in scaling up or down, as Trumps can’t show weakness to back down even US can ill afford a full trade war with its weak economy, jobless & high debts.

And its people simply aren’t keen in trade war hardship as there isn’t cheaper replacement to vast China products stocking all shelves nor any manufacturing capacity to boost jobs.

Trumps has dig a big hole for himself, deeper as he up ante with fantasy thinking that he can hold China ransom in new trade nego(cheap developer technique, talk tough threaten to walk away to squeeze supplier), while getting some extra tax revenue from new tariffs.

He has more self mined IED in new Taiwan Relationship law, coming NK nego, Diayu Island, SCS FON, all touching China core interest, awaiting his foolish detonation as bargain chip to China which will flare up at his face. His grand daughter Mandarin poems singing at Chinese Embassy won’t work anymore.

Its amazing US allowed their country to rule over by idiots in a row run with team of inexperienced banker & generals. How are these clowns gonna compete with China best elite technocrat leaders carefully proven & elected over few decades.

It will be a interesting year to watch how it shape geopolitics, with Petro Yuan, Trade war & Syria war as Trumps tweeted to exit while alarming heavy assets are flown into their Syria & Jordan new bases. Taking on rivalry best strength simultaneously, Russia military & China economy.

Thanks for pointing out. Indeed gT has strange attitude towards China, hence Chinese should segregate such sino hater from good Russians, just as Russia should for diehard russophobia West Europeans. There can be no negotiation between sheeps & wolves how to share food.

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Trump’s tariffs miss the mark as China changes
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i am russian and you have to understand that people like gt are not normal, or in influence, they are “vatniks” who don’t really care for the people or the country, usually drink too much and want to keep a place where they can act in despicable ways. in vladisvostok i’ve grown up around japanese and chinese all the time and i’ve never really had much problem with them(much more from vatniks who bully me because I like japanese culture), so please don’t think that he’s the usual russian.

-vavalika

By gum, you short dicks certainly do yap incessantly.

blah blah blah blah and still more blahs

So sorry, but I’m still youngish and my testosterone levels are still high so its not possible for me to kowtow, until many of the older folks, so very sorry.

Joe, if you are from China, i wanted to say im very proud of your country & great leaders. They are great strategists, patriotic & work tirelessly with clear mission to miraculously transform China from a poor war ravaged country under West sanction, back to a powerful civilization with people interest in their heart, that will weed out povety in 2yrs time.

This great trade war if go full swing will change the entire world power – US Empire economy spine (on Ponzi Finance) will be broken. China will emerge as the hyperpower with Petrol Yuan, & 1.4B of IQ105 diligent people leading in every aspects, including unmatch 3,000yrs civilization soft power.

Here’s my posting in another article.

Mao had sum up everything neatly: “power emerge from gun barrel.” He let Chinese stand up. Deng let Chinese filled their belly. Xi is now letting Chinese fulfil their dream.

If a good guy hospitable to friends has no guns when surrounded by wolves, he is doomed.

So goes the Chinese old saying: ” When friends come, we have good wines. When wolves come, we have hunting rifles.”

China just teach US what is trade war like. “We decide the rule of engagement”. Love it.

Now Trumps has shot his own foot. China won’t let him off the hook easily without him giving the concession: leave Russia & Syria alone, or we will tighten the screw with $3T war chess and 60% saving rate that can last more than 10yrs without any trade with US.

A nation united to fight VS US capitalists all now screaming “No Trade War idiot Trumps”. The Dow jones index just wipe out more money than Trumps targeted tariff. With only 15% export goes to US, China can easily live as usual with high savings for next 10yrs, quicken domestic market rebalance, and expand trade with Latin America & Africa. But US is doomed, civil riot awaiting when Walmart goes empty.

Its a good show time for China to demonstrate its might to the world without firing single shot. The only country dare & powerful enough to confront US openly.

Really admire China strategists.

Come on, you have in many postings rationally pointed out the evil US Empire, and a few left over independent countries like Russia, China, Iran, NK, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria are now resisting it bravely.

Why do you want to go so low to continuously smear China here, who is now a high standard the world can look up for peace & prosperity with equal term?

You are fighting against the global current to defend the greatest evil empire out of pride. Even imagine anyone speaking out for China must be Chinese & started insulting with blatant lies like CIA propagandist.

There are tonnes of evidences you have already feasted on, yet wanted to whine how a smart China turn the table against the hedgmon that enforced unequal rules globally. There is no rules to observe in resisting evil US Empire which break every rules. The trade war will showcase how China gonna teach tyranny hedgmon US a painful lesson.

See what even Murkans think about who is the biggest threats.
China 1/10 lowest.
US & UK institutions eroding 9/10 highest.

https://www.shortlist.com/news/biggest-threats-world-2018-trump-north-korea-war/339390/amp

2013 Gallop polls

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4531824

There’s really no way to sugarcoat it: The rest of world believes that the United States is the country that poses the greatest threat to world peace, beating out all challengers by a wide margin.

The world is afraid of Americans

https://www.good.is/articles/the-world-is-afraid-of-americans/amp

Why US is biggest threat

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Why-the-US-is-the-Biggest-Threat-to-World-Peace-20150117-0024.html

the U.S. was exceptional, a beacon of liberty and justice in the world. But after considering the trail of blood, coups and bombs that continue to follow the U.S. flag wherever it flies, it’s safe to say that the U.S. is exceptional in many things; liberty and justice are not among them.

The U.S. leads the world in military spending, with more than US$7.6 trillion spent on the military and homeland security since 9/11. Washington is also a major threat to its own citizens: the U.S. is the world’s largest incarcerator of people, both in numbers and in proportion to its population, with 2.3 million in prison, 1 million of whom are African American.

In 2017, a rigged polling was done with US allies only, still US is Greatest Threats!

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/08/07/polls-us-greatest-threat-to-peace-world-today.html

However, now, on August 1st of 2017, Pew Research Center has issued results of their polling of 30 nations in which they had surveyed, first in 2013, and then again in 2017, posing a less-clear but similar question (vague perhaps because they were fearing a similar type of finding — embarrassing to their own country, the US), in which respondents had been asked «Do you think that the United States’ power and influence is a major threat, a minor threat, or not a threat to (survey country)?» and which also asked this same question but regarding «China,» and then again but regarding «Russia,» as a possible threat instead of «United States». (This wasn’t an open-ended question; only those three nations were named as possible responses.)

On page 3 of their 32-page pdf is shown that the «major threat» category was selected by 35% of respondents worldwide for «US power and influence», 31% worldwide selected that for «Russia’s power and influence,» and also 31% worldwide said it for «China’s power and influence». However, on pages 23 and 24 of the pdf is shown the 30 countries that had been surveyed in this poll, in both 2013 and 2017, and most of these 30 nations were US allies; only Venezuela clearly was not. None of the 30 countries was an ally of either Russia or China (the other two countries offered as possibly being «a major threat»). And, yet, nonetheless, more respondents among the 30 sampled countries saw the US as «a major threat», than saw either Russia or China that way.

gT & Caldre are those fucking scumbag that China should round up with a great wall. There is no friendship btw peaceful lambs with these white wolves. They will pound at you mercilessly whenever they gain upper hand, that’s why Opium War is always in their day dream.

We do not swear, and we present our views based on historical facts. UNZ Review is a rare case that supports freedom of speech in the West, we treasure it and appreciate very much it provides a tiny crack for us to present our view, the Chinese view not the CCP view, to the West based on our historical experience in the hope that we can resolve our differences through dialogue instead of bullets and blood. We hope we can work together to keep this lonely tiny globe continue to exist in this vast empty cold universe; we not only have the responsibility to keep ourselves survive and prosper as long as possible we also have the responsibility to keep all other living creatures on this planet to survive and prosper together with us as long as possible.

In 2015, police killed 991 people in the U.S. In the same year, five (5) people were killed by police in China.

Yes this is a big problem in US, but vast majority of these killed people are armed criminals, whom you would call “terrorists”.

Correction, the 991 people murdered by the American cops were what the fake news media calls terrorists. Oddly, most of these “terrorists” were black.

But let’s compare how China acts: “the Chinese Communist Party has engaged the state in the mass killings of innocents, primarily practitioners of the spiritually based set of exercises, Falun Gong, but also Uyghurs, Tibetans, and select House Christians, in order to obtain organs for transplants.”

Yes, this is probably more fake news. What credible evidence have you for these allegations?

Police state isn’t based on number of police killings of armed criminals. In fact that fact is entirely irrelevant to the concept.

There are, of course, a range of definitions for “police state”. But 991 murders by cop in the U.S. versus 5 in China certainly indicates which country’s police forces are more vicious — and therefore which country is more likely to be seen as a police state by most people in the world.

We are now living in a rapidly changing world…Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times. To keep up with the times, we cannot have ourselves physically living in the 21st century, but with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality.

Let go your jealousy, resentment and fear; trust us, we will work together to change the world where peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit is the norm and the trend of our times.

The link asks money to read the article, unless you can provide altnative access, otherwise we don’t know why it is interesting. The explosive tension in the UNSC plus the trade war, we are living in a dangerous time, it is not funny at all.

Oh my God, you and Joe Wong and Denk are fucking imbeciles. Not worth wasting another second of my time. I’m involved in a lot of online discussions and you three are the biggest hateful and unhinged morons I can recall in a long long time.

A very ‘insightful’ reply to my posts.

kinda expecting it, typical murikkans, never fail,…..

Ad hominem is the last refuge of a loser

You’r not stupid and you seem well informed.
You ought to know what kind of shit fukusI has done in this past century alone………

“Exposing Western hypocrisy – how much more exposed can they be? Which decent human being on Earth harbours any illusions about it? These are people whose histories are spongy with the blood of others.

Colonialism, apartheid, slavery, ethnic cleansing, germ warfare, chemical weapons – they virtually invented it all. They have plundered nations, snuffed out civilisations, exterminated entire populations. They stand on the world’s stage stark naked but entirely unembarrassed, because they know that they have more money, more food and bigger bombs than anybody else” (“The Cost of Living” by Arundhati Roy,

which begs the question,
How could the great satan enjoys a higher popurality rating than Russia/China ?

I know why US has its reputation, sometimes I am surprised it is not worse.

Good thinking ,
You gotta thanks CIA’S mighty wurlitzer,……

CIA

We can play on the world’s media like a giant Wurlitzer

http://www.converge.org.nz/abc/prsp25.htm

news.com.au, theindependent.uk
[aka the five lies MSM]

AND……that CIA front RFA !

That’s your idea of credible source ???

———————
journo 101 on basic rigor,

I’ve documented here several times how fukusI
fingered Chinese Indonesians as Beijing’s fifth columns, thus provoking a genocide that killed at least 3M.
[sources from CIA whistle blower and UK govn archive, you cant be more authentic than that]

If you think thats bad enough, here’s how fukusI fingered their own citizens for murder ,,,,cuz they offended Washington/London’s friendly tyrants.

‘In 1992, a Guatemalan guerrilla leader, Efraín Bámaca Velásquez, married to an American woman, Jennifer Harbury, was captured by the Army, tortured, and killed.

It took three years and the intervention of Rep. Robert Torricelli to learn the truth – that a guatemalan colonel on the American payroll had ordered the killing.

………………………..

A 1976 internal report of the State Department said the Chilean government “might have believed this American [Horman] could be killed without negative fallout from the US government.” And, “US intelligence may have played an unfortunate part in Horman’s death.”

The report suggests that he was fingered for the Pinochet regime by a CIA officer undercover as a consular official.’

https://archive.commondreams.org/view/022500-104.htm

What a lovely country,
The world’s oldest democracy !
hehehhehe

Its their tactic, you yourself said that China has no rules, so the Chinese commentators just go on and on repeating the same lies in different ways bringing in different “facts” in a slightly distorted manner, the truth is immaterial. We’ve got a great future to look forward to if they achieve any sort of permanent global dominance.

Soros.

You can have your fucking government, at least we have the possibility of changing ours, hard as it may be, in China’s case, you have no say whatsoever.]

Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton……….
300 years of warfare, 45 war pigs in a row couldnt be a bug, it must be a feature, my dear. !

news flash, the election is rigged !

If you still believe in changing murikka with your votes [sic]
then i’ve given you more credits than you deserve.

Doing the same thing every time and expect a different result is the sign of insanity.

utu the kid sniffs that murikka would be ruined if governed by the CCP,
ROTFLMAO !

Another news flash, China is progressing with each new day,
yes, including ‘human rights’.

whereas murikka is rotting in all departments, heading towards a banana republic, if its not already there !

The way murkkans are blaming it all on China while their dear leaders rob them clean is truly pathetic.

fukus is doomed.
I only hope when it goes down, they dont drag us all with it.

How is Falun Gong doing these days? Still tortured in prison with organs cut out and sold to Communist officials? Tibet still under the Chinese boot? Oh, yeah, you still worship Mao, the murderer of 30 million Chinese. What a lovely country!]

This only serve to illustrate how brainwashed murikkans are, even for those who thought they know better.

But then guilty until proven innocent is the murikkan mantra innit ?

‘Putin murdered his agent in UK , CASE CLOSED.’
cuz fukusI dear leaders , everyone of which is a serial lying scumbag, say so !

Mind you, they reserve the right to kill terrorists suspects, their families, friends, in any country they fancy.
To make sure the kill,
they obliterate all other houses in the vicinity of the suspect hideout .

What a lovely country !

hehehhehe

In any case,
kid,
Tibet has been ‘under Chinese boot’ since 15C, courtesy of the Mongols !
Yet you manage to outdone genghis Khan in 21C, the entire planet under murikkans jackboot, no mean feat that .
hehehhe

A friendly advice to fukusI,
dont ever lecture anybody on human rights and imperialism…you’r simply asking for it !

For example,
if I challenge you ‘how many women and kids have the USA killed today ?’ , you and I know thats a undisputable fact, as opposed to the kind of craps about flg, Mao the murderer , you spill above.

fukusI[ndia] banditry 3

AI
‘Throughout the world, on any given day, a man, woman or child is likely to be displaced, tortured, killed or “disappeared”, at the hands of governments or armed political groups. More often than not, the United States shares the blame. ‘

—————–

fukusI[ndia] banditry 4

exhibit Sudan….

Thanks to Wikileaks we know that the CIA began paying the salaries of what is today the South Sudanese “rebel army” led by Reik Machar in 2009. And the CIA is still paying them today.

We are talking about an army of at least 20,000 professionals with at least an equal amount of “militia”, little more than ethnic death squads, who have been actively waging combat for 18 months now in an attempt to overthrow the existing South Sudanese government.

The bill for salaries, food, fuel, equipment and ammunition runs upwards of $100 million with the source of these funds a best kept secret.

“Show me the money”. On the CIA payroll beginning in 2009, secret until Wikileaks broke the story, and on the CIA payroll still. It’s the CIA’s M.O. clear as day.

When it comes time to start looking for answers for the causes of the murder and mayhem in Africa its best to follow the money trail, in this case right back to the Obama Mafia White House and its African expert, BHO’s “Quiet Consigliere”, Gayle Smith.

Why would the Obama regime pay for this terrible crime ravaging South Sudan?

Its all about oil. The USA wants China out of its only oil field in Africa and will pay what it takes to get whomever to do its dirty work, whether the Contra “rebel army” in Nicaragua 30 years ago (back then it was Reagan’s War) or Riek Machar’s “rebel army” fighting “Obama’s War” in South Sudan today.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/16/obamas-war-in-south-sudan/

What a lovely country !

So much for China as the chosen one ,
hehehehhe

I know why US has its reputation, sometimes I am surprised it is not worse.

But Russia and China have a worse international reputation (Pew Aug. 2017), maybe you should wonder about that?

That’s funny, you are projecting. You and your CCCP buddy “Wong” do nothing but hurl abuse, whining and yammering about this and that totally off topic.

Vidi is Russian, you know. You might want to wonder why your country has gotten such a stellar reputation.

In 2015, police killed 991 people in the U.S. In the same year, five (5) people were killed by police in China.

Yes this is a big problem in US, but vast majority of these killed people are armed criminals, whom you would call “terrorists”. But let’s compare how China acts: “the Chinese Communist Party has engaged the state in the mass killings of innocents, primarily practitioners of the spiritually based set of exercises, Falun Gong, but also Uyghurs, Tibetans, and select House Christians, in order to obtain organs for transplants.”

And here we have: “Mao Zedong, founder of the People’s Republic of China, qualifies as the greatest mass murderer in world history, an expert who had unprecedented access to official Communist Party archives said yesterday.”

In Xinjiang: “at least 2,000 ethnic minority Uyghurs may have been killed by Chinese security forces following riots last week in a restive county in China’s western Xinjiang region, far more than reported by the state media”.

I don’t think Americans have any right to accuse any other country of having a “police state”.

Police state isn’t based on number of police killings of armed criminals. In fact that fact is entirely irrelevant to the concept.

It’s a scandal what Americans don’t know about their own country

Sigh. It’s a scandal what you don’t know about reading. The red light cameras (and in some countries speeding cameras) read license plates and ticket a CAR. Chinese new police state scans people’s faces and tickets the person. Right now it is only jaywalking, maybe, but soon those 200 MILLION (yes, that’s 200 MILLION) surveillance cameras in China will watch every single thing you do, face-scan you and ticket you/call the police if you do something the government doesn’t like. It’s actually a massive difference.

Also there is new policy, these cameras and other computers will monitor you and if you are guilty of “social misdeeds” will get a low “social credit” rating and can’t, for example, travel.

the ignorance of Americans doesn’t prevent them from hurling abuse at other countries.

That’s funny, you are projecting. You and your CCCP buddy “Wong” do nothing but hurl abuse, whining and yammering about this and that totally off topic. My point all along was that China is a massive WTO cheater and thief and has benefited massively from the WTO at the expense of Americans. These are just indisputable facts no matter how much foul-mouthed venom or irrelevant distractions you try to throw out there.

So have a good life, I am done with you too.

I’m involved in a lot of online discussions and you three are the biggest hateful and unhinged morons I can recall in a long long time.

Give an example that i make a hateful or foolish remark.

You are quite a good thinker elsewhere i can see, but not here when your ranting is simply not well substantiated, and absolute moronic when come to accusing China currency manipulating of 4x to erect 75% tariffs.

Wtf with US failed education to produce such imbecile like you unable to understand simple term – tariff, in telling me how hourly pay is calculated.

While i don’t pretend China is not violating IP & rules like everyone, its absurd you rant on unfairness when WTO is a openly known rape to China. And US is a known biggest abuser of every international rules.

Even been told Samsung produced different grade for various market based on my direct experience, and others giving you many sources, you are persistent with your false accusation.

You even go so low to attack China like your msm presstitute after mistaken me from China. And your criticism to Mr Robert well writen article is simply unwarranted.

Joe Wong might be right to say your deep jealousy of China rise against US declination is blinding you into harbouring foolish sinophobia hatred.

Bad as US government is, it’s much better than China’s totalitarian police state.

In 2015, police killed 991 people in the U.S. In the same year, five (5) people were killed by police in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_China

The difference is even more impressive when you consider how many more people live in China, and how much poorer they are. I don’t think Americans have any right to accuse any other country of having a “police state”.

I hear you have cameras issuing you tickets now.

Sigh. It’s a scandal what Americans don’t know about their own country:

21 states, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands have enacted laws permitting some form of red light camera use, with 9 states and the District of Columbia fully permitting use, and 12 states and the Virgin Islands allowing limited use.

https://www.ghsa.org/state-laws/issues/speed-and-red-light-cameras

Of course, the ignorance of Americans doesn’t prevent them from hurling abuse at other countries.

By the way, here’s a quote from the NBER’s website:

The NBER is the nation’s leading nonprofit economic research organization. Twenty-seven Nobel Prize winners in Economics and thirteen past chairs of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers have held NBER affiliations. The more than 1,400 professors of economics and business now teaching at colleges and universities in North America who are NBER researchers are the leading scholars in their fields.

http://www.nber.org/info.html

The US doesn’t take more action in the WTO tribunal because it knows it will lose.

We’ll agree to disagree.

The U.S. could, of course, exploit its dominance of the WTO to make the whole tribunal a mere kangaroo court, but that would destroy the WTO.

Why would I care what Branstetter and Lardy say?

You should care because the NBER is the National Bureau of Economic Research, the largest economic research organization in the U.S. Its current president is Professor James Poterba of MIT. It is far more credible than most American organizations are these days.

If the NBER says the U.S. basically rigged the WTO against the Chinese, that is almost certainly true. So you’ve no right to whine about it now, as the terms were the ones the U.S. forced on China, and the U.S. signed the deal of its own free will.

Those massive and continuous rules violations are thousands of times more important in real life then the minor stuff you whine on about.

First, what violations of WTO rules are these? And second, what credible evidence do you have that those violations occurred? Or are you behaving like a typical neocon, spewing evidence-free (and probably fact-free) allegations?

How is Falun Gong doing these days?

Last I heard, raising funds for ISIS is illegal in the US too. In fact, compliance with any trade actions against Israel is illegal.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22S.+720%22%5D%7D&r=1&elqTrackId=B52A0D0F8D779CEEE7C23F40CC76457F&elq=4b2a3945cac54cf78621b84002d5abd4&elqaid=31834&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=

The bill amends the Export Administration Act of 1979 to declare that it shall be U.S. policy to oppose:

1)requests by foreign countries to impose restrictive practices or boycotts against other countries friendly to the United States or against U.S. persons; and

2)restrictive trade practices or boycotts fostered or imposed by an international governmental organization, or requests to impose such practices or boycotts, against Israel.

The bill prohibits any U.S. person engaged interstate or foreign commerce from supporting:

1)any request by a foreign country to impose any boycott against a country that is friendly to the United States and that is not itself the object of any form of boycott pursuant to United States law or regulation, or

2)any boycott fostered or imposed by any international governmental organization against Israel or any request by any international governmental organization to impose such a boycott.

You just convince me im not bright to ask you a simple qn beyond your complex ability to comprehend.

Oh my God, you and Joe Wong and Denk are fucking imbeciles. Not worth wasting another second of my time. I’m involved in a lot of online discussions and you three are the biggest hateful and unhinged morons I can recall in a long long time.