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    There is only one story in the news, for followers of the Israel/Palestine conflict, and that is Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Grim’s report at the Intercept yesterday on new legislation in the Congress that would criminalize support for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS). The bill is such a crude example of overreach by the Israel...
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    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic.
     
    That's the very definition of chutzpah -- invading somebody else's country, kicking them out, then calling yourself the victim!

    “the jew cries out in pain as he is attacking you”

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  • Last Wednesday at noon at Arlington National Cemetery I attended the annual commemorative gathering of the survivors and friends of the U.S.S. Liberty. The moving service included the ringing of a ship’s bell for each one of the thirty-four American sailors, Marines and civilians that were killed in the deliberate Israeli attack that sought to...
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    “”..I did not have an accurate ship’s position at this time, but I knew that to the left of the ship’s course at that time lie shoal waters and by turning to the left I would be approaching land closer than had been given me in directives which I held in that instant in time. I realized that if I attempted to turn to starboard, I would expose a larger target to the torpedo boats. I elected to maintain a heading of 283 at maximum speed.
    When the boats reached an approximate range of 2,000 yards, the center boat of the formation was Signalling to us.

    Also, at this range, it appeared that they were flying an Israli (sic) flag. This was later verified. It was not possible to read the signals from the center torpedo boat because of the intermittent blocking of view by smoke and flames.
    At this time, I yelled to machine gun 51 to tell him to Hold Fire.
    I realized that there was a Possibility of the aircraft having been Israeli and the attack had been Conducted in Error.
    I wanted to Hold Fire to see if we could read the Signal from the torpedo boat and perhaps avoid additional damage and personnel injuries.

    The man on machine gun 51 fired a short burst at the boats Before he was able to understand what I was attempting to have him do. Instantly, on machine gun 51 opening fire machine gun 53 began firing at the center boat.
    From the starboard wing of the bridge, 03 level,
    I observed that the fire from machine gun 53 was extremely Effective and Blanketed the area and the center torpedo boat.
    It was not possible to get to mount 53 from the starboard wing of the bridge. I sent Mr. LUCAS around the port-side of the bridge, around to the skylights, to see if he could tell QUINTERO, whom I believed to be the gunner on machine gun 53, to hold fire until we were able to clarify the situation. He reported back in a few minutes in effect that he saw no one at mount 53.

    As far as the torpedo boats were concerned, I am sure that they felt They were under fire from the USS LIBERTY. At THIS time They opened fire with their gun mounts and in a matter of seconds one torpedo was noted crossing astern of the ship at about 25 yards.”…”
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  • There is only one story in the news, for followers of the Israel/Palestine conflict, and that is Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Grim’s report at the Intercept yesterday on new legislation in the Congress that would criminalize support for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS). The bill is such a crude example of overreach by the Israel...
  • Shock waves? Really? But then, which ‘progressive’ community? The bottom feeding Proglodytes or the powerful Proglobalists who changed leftism from concern for workers and masses to praising homo neo-aristocrats and 50 genders of trannies?

    It seems most elites in media/academia, most politicians, and most Deep State people don’t care about shutting down BDS.

    Ambitious people want to be where the power, money, and action is, and they better suck up to Jewish Globalists.

    There is a Patriotic Test.
    Question is, “If you were a member of People A, and if you were to become rich and privileged, would you side with non-rich members of People A or with rich members of People B or C who might actually be hostile to People A?

    A true patriot will side with his own kind even if he becomes rich and they remain un-rich. It’s like Moses, even as a privileged ‘Egyptian’, cared about his own people, the Hebrews.

    A collaboriot or toady will side with any power even if it harms his own people if he, as a person of privilege, gets to rub shoulders with others of privilege.

    As Jewish Globalists control the Power, even so-called Progs, at least those with ambition, will remain mum about BDS since their main objective is to be with power and privilege.

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  • @Marty T
    Almost all anti-Israel activism is thinly disguised Jew-hatred. On an objective basis, Israel's "human rights violations" are laughable compared to every other country in its region. Talk to a BDS type and the hatred of "Israel" will become hatred of "Jews" very quickly. To the bigots who promote the BDS agenda, Israel can do no right and no other country can do wrong.

    I don't agree with making BDS support criminal, but let's be clear - while BDS hates Jews most of all, they're not huge fans of white people in general. We need to let Israel handle its business like we should have let South Africa handle its business.

    Great, they can handle their business on their dime, not the West’s.

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  • Almost all anti-Israel activism is thinly disguised Jew-hatred. On an objective basis, Israel’s “human rights violations” are laughable compared to every other country in its region. Talk to a BDS type and the hatred of “Israel” will become hatred of “Jews” very quickly. To the bigots who promote the BDS agenda, Israel can do no right and no other country can do wrong.

    I don’t agree with making BDS support criminal, but let’s be clear – while BDS hates Jews most of all, they’re not huge fans of white people in general. We need to let Israel handle its business like we should have let South Africa handle its business.

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  • @Robert Dunn
    There is no 'too far' when dealing with Israel. They belong at the bottom of the sea for what they've done!

    Defend their citizens from savages?

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  • Another stellar example of how desegregationist zionism is (NOT):

    Transferring’ Palestinian citizens of Israel to a Palestinian state goes from outrage to Netanyahu policy

    The Israeli press reports that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has now adopted an idea that had been beyond the pale: transfer– stripping Israeli Palestinians of citizenship without their OK and making them citizens of another country, all of course on a religious-ethnic basis.

    A Palestinian lawmaker in Israel’s parliament accused Netanyahu of endorsing a “war crime.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/transferring-palestinians-palestinian/

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    "If the liberals win, you’ll be obliged to flood your country with every imaginable mystery meat so ‘civil rights loving Jews’ can soothe their fear those WASPs will pop them back in the oven."

    Really funny considering:

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com


    "Some stories are true that never happened."
    - Elie Wiesel
     

    Israel is using legal defenses available. It ahs done its best to reach solution but Palestinian wont budge from illegal demands

    Here is Spengler —

    “Five times a day Muslims pray to acknowledge the absolute sovereignty of Allah, repeating “Come to prayer, come to success.” There is no success to point to.
    Yet the Jews have come back to Israel and Jerusalem, and even the guardians of the holy sites of Mecca and Medina, the Saudi royal family, quietly seek help from the Jews to protect them against Iran. India, the largest developing country by population, has abandoned the Palestinian cause; its prime minister visited Israel without paying so much as a courtesy call to Ramallah.

    With Donald Trump’s electoral victory, Palestinian hopes of luring the international community into a dictated agreement suffered an enormous setback. Meanwhile the Gulf states have come to view Israel as an ally against Iran, while Egyptian security cooperation with Israel is stronger than ever in history. The Palestinians are the odd man out.

    The last wedge that the Palestinians can drive between Washington and its Arab allies is the Temple Mount itself. This is not a matter of Muslim theology, nor a question of sentimental attachment: rather, it is the embodiment of the last hope that the hated Zionist presence will be temporary, and the prayers of a billion and a half Muslims for “success” eventually will be granted. Whether last week’s murder of Israeli policemen with guns hidden on the Temple Mount was a fortuitous pretext for the protests, or a provocation intended to produce a wave of outrage in the Arab world, is unclear.

    . Feeding the Arab’s refusal to admit defeat, though, will only encourage behavior that has come to resemble the Black Knight’s one-sided battle with King Arthur in Monty Python’s Holy Grail film. Peace isn’t made when one side is defeated, but when one side admits that it is defeated. Delaying this admission keeps the war going”

    http://www.atimes.com/arab-humiliation-temple-mount/

    By DAVID P. GOLDMAN, Spengler JULY 27, 2017 12:18 PM (UTC+8)

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  • @anon
    "en the Israeli government and its supporters (the Senate bill is being promoted by AIPAC) attempt to delegitimize the Palestinian-led boycott — a political and economic pressure tactic well within the normative democratic toolbox — they are actually saying that Palestinians do not have the same political rights as others with regards to individual political expression, but more importantly, the right to national self-determination.

    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic. Yet if denying the right to national determination to one specific group means crossing such a thick red line that it wades into anti-Semitic territory, then denying another group a set of legitimate tools for achieving that same aim should be just as unconscionable." http://lobelog.com/americas-bds-law-attack-on-far-more-than-free-speech/

    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic.

    That’s the very definition of chutzpah – invading somebody else’s country, kicking them out, then calling yourself the victim!

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  • @El Dato
    More treasonous treason by poisonous traitors.

    In broad daylight, too.

    Not enough with instrumenting the State to bump off a rash of countries at the behest of a certain other country (a job still in progress). Now it's being instrumented to implement some good old mind-aligning stalinism in the homeland. If you have nothing to think, you have nothing to fear, right.

    What a jood plan.

    (Truth be told, I wouldn't wish on Israel to become the next South Africa, that would be going too far.)

    There is no ‘too far’ when dealing with Israel. They belong at the bottom of the sea for what they’ve done!

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  • I don’t blame AIPAC – the Israeli or Jewish lobby as they’re merely behaving like cunning, vindictive, devious parasites as usual. Who I blame is the US government that allows this ‘special’ relationship between the US and Israel as if the interests of both nations are identical. This prevents AIPAC from registering as a foreign lobbying group which is exactly what it is. I also blame the obsequiese political shills in the US government for whom power is more important than constitutional obligations, which brings us to this democracy ending piece of legislation. I’m glad ACLU and other ‘progressive’ organizations are coming out against this but I don’t think that will be enough to convey the outrage this legislation deserves OR the lessons needed to assure lawmakers in the US do not attempt this treason in the future. For that, terror, real terror needs to be employed such that the price to be paid for selling your nation out is way too high to pay than whatever political favor such treachery yields. I’m talking about wouldn’t it be funny if the authors of this wound up in a park, their bloated corpses hanging from a tree??

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  • @Foolisholdman
    Letter 26
    Wizard of Oz
    "How could anyone with your pretentions not know that the Guardian is owned by the Scott Trust so it can preserve its independence? That trust is not something Soris can buy."

    Reading the Guardian recently, you could have fooled me! If the Zionists have not bought the Scott Trust, they have certainly muzzled it as far as news from the ME is concerned.

    I had to modify my reference tp the Scott Trust – not in a way relevant to your post – but you might care to modify your comments based on the misinformation you acquitre when wasting your time on the Grauniad. Just try Googling “Is Soros a Zionist” and skip the items relating to Iran or what someone in Hungary has said in Hungary and you will find him denounced as a self hating Jew who identified with the Nazis and wants to chhange the Jewish character of Israel. I leave it to you to assess that strong and strongly expressed view.

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  • KA says:
    @anon
    "en the Israeli government and its supporters (the Senate bill is being promoted by AIPAC) attempt to delegitimize the Palestinian-led boycott — a political and economic pressure tactic well within the normative democratic toolbox — they are actually saying that Palestinians do not have the same political rights as others with regards to individual political expression, but more importantly, the right to national self-determination.

    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic. Yet if denying the right to national determination to one specific group means crossing such a thick red line that it wades into anti-Semitic territory, then denying another group a set of legitimate tools for achieving that same aim should be just as unconscionable." http://lobelog.com/americas-bds-law-attack-on-far-more-than-free-speech/

    The German and French foreign ministries added their support to Juncker. The German foreign ministry said: “It is not in the Americans’ right to judge or stipulate which way European companies may engage in cooperation with any third parties – particularly, with Russian energy companies.”

    The French foreign ministry said: the sanctions “contradict international law” due to their “extraterritorial reach.” – Paul Craig Roberts at UNZ

    Isn’t it appropriate to say chicken coming home ? French German have no problem until now no pile on Iran with more sanctions for last 20 yrs . Now the cry baby is waking up . The nature of the hegemone has struck them right between the legs alerting the brain .

    But how America can keep on saying that it can sanction everyone else but not the ones it chooses? Sure there is some law .But law is man made and breaking it also is man’s job when it is patently wrong .

    Some one has expressed the idea that Israel can gravitate to China and India . Sure it can. Right now India is thinking Trump and Israel can get him the face saving exit from Bhutan india China crisis . China is engaging in nationalistic hyperbole . Will they abstain in future voting against Israel? Thats all they can do. But what happens day after America orders the gravy train back to shade for some self repair ?

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    You do drive your load of cobblers right off the rails sometimes don't you? I onlý had to get to your mention of Guardian and Soros to find your amazing confidence in totally baseless fiction on display. How could anyone with your pretentions not know that the Guardian is owned by the Scott Trust so it can preserve its independence? That trust is not something Soris can buy.

    Letter 26
    Wizard of Oz
    “How could anyone with your pretentions not know that the Guardian is owned by the Scott Trust so it can preserve its independence? That trust is not something Soris can buy.”

    Reading the Guardian recently, you could have fooled me! If the Zionists have not bought the Scott Trust, they have certainly muzzled it as far as news from the ME is concerned.

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  • @Anon
    No, it's bad when it happens to everyone, Mr. Straw Man.

    No, it’s bad when it happens to everyone, Mr. Straw Man.

    No kidding, Mr. I-Don’t-Do-Sarcasm-Well.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    Is Weiss aware that there are already laws on the books in America that criminalize material support for the ‘Arab boycott’ of Israel? Surely he does.

    There is a law on the books since 1970′s forbidding boycotting of Israel by US corporations.

    https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac
    During the mid-1970′s the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation’s economic boycotts or embargoes. These “antiboycott” laws are the 1977 amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the 1976 Tax Reform Act (TRA). While these laws share a common purpose, there are distinctions in their administration.

    The Arab League boycott of Israel is the principal foreign economic boycott that U.S. companies must be concerned with today. The antiboycott laws, however, apply to all boycotts imposed by foreign countries that are unsanctioned by the United States.

    Conduct that may be penalized under the TRA and/or prohibited under the EAR includes:

    Agreements to refuse or actual refusal to do business with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies.

    It is one thing for the company to boycott It is different thing for the citizen to demand that the 1 Company divest and removes business from Israeli OT 2 He is she has the right to say that she or he is boycotting or his or her company is not buying those products for resale 3 or asking the Pension Fund or Church to divest from Israeli OT products.

    The law doesn’t abrogate or nullify 1st Amendment right , right for freedom of speech or right to raise awareness through these means . The laws are enshrined by international legislation US is a signer to the treaties if not US should to avoid future problems

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    Is Weiss aware that there are already laws on the books in America that criminalize material support for the ‘Arab boycott’ of Israel? Surely he does.

    There is a law on the books since 1970′s forbidding boycotting of Israel by US corporations.

    https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac
    During the mid-1970′s the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation’s economic boycotts or embargoes. These “antiboycott” laws are the 1977 amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the 1976 Tax Reform Act (TRA). While these laws share a common purpose, there are distinctions in their administration.

    The Arab League boycott of Israel is the principal foreign economic boycott that U.S. companies must be concerned with today. The antiboycott laws, however, apply to all boycotts imposed by foreign countries that are unsanctioned by the United States.

    Conduct that may be penalized under the TRA and/or prohibited under the EAR includes:

    Agreements to refuse or actual refusal to do business with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies.

    “en the Israeli government and its supporters (the Senate bill is being promoted by AIPAC) attempt to delegitimize the Palestinian-led boycott — a political and economic pressure tactic well within the normative democratic toolbox — they are actually saying that Palestinians do not have the same political rights as others with regards to individual political expression, but more importantly, the right to national self-determination.

    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic. Yet if denying the right to national determination to one specific group means crossing such a thick red line that it wades into anti-Semitic territory, then denying another group a set of legitimate tools for achieving that same aim should be just as unconscionable.” http://lobelog.com/americas-bds-law-attack-on-far-more-than-free-speech/

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    The German and French foreign ministries added their support to Juncker. The German foreign ministry said: “It is not in the Americans’ right to judge or stipulate which way European companies may engage in cooperation with any third parties – particularly, with Russian energy companies.”

    The French foreign ministry said: the sanctions “contradict international law” due to their “extraterritorial reach.” - Paul Craig Roberts at UNZ

    Isn't it appropriate to say chicken coming home ? French German have no problem until now no pile on Iran with more sanctions for last 20 yrs . Now the cry baby is waking up . The nature of the hegemone has struck them right between the legs alerting the brain .

    But how America can keep on saying that it can sanction everyone else but not the ones it chooses? Sure there is some law .But law is man made and breaking it also is man's job when it is patently wrong .
    ---

    Some one has expressed the idea that Israel can gravitate to China and India . Sure it can. Right now India is thinking Trump and Israel can get him the face saving exit from Bhutan india China crisis . China is engaging in nationalistic hyperbole . Will they abstain in future voting against Israel? Thats all they can do. But what happens day after America orders the gravy train back to shade for some self repair ?
    , @Seamus Padraig

    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic.
     
    That's the very definition of chutzpah -- invading somebody else's country, kicking them out, then calling yourself the victim!
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  • @Anon123
    Good for Congress. BDS is out to destroy Israel, which would be a disaster for what remains of Western culture. There are two enemies of the West: the left and Islam. It's not a coincidence that both are enemies of Israel and the Jewish people. Churchill, Washington and Lincoln all admires the Jews, for good
    reason. They have given the world more than any other people. And we in America need them and their genius to weather the storms that are coming. You haters of the Jews on this website are so uneducated, obsessed and utterly stupid it is laughable to read your comments.

    And we in America need them and their genius to weather the storms that are coming.

    Yes! We need (((them))) in order to weather the very storms which (((they))) are busy creating.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Weren't the Kemalists Donmeh (i.e., crypto) Jews?

    A handful, maybe, but certainly not the majority. Some were also Armenians and some Greeks. In any case, no Kemalist could refuse to adopt Turkish language and customs. Atatürk was born in Salonika, which was Donmeh central, but he was a lapsed Muslim, not a Donmeh.

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  • a group of 43 senators — 29 Republicans and 14 Democrats — wants to implement a law

    and then…

    the bill is about the Israel lobby’s presence inside the Democratic Party, and therefore of the role of conservative Zionist Jews inside the Democratic Party.

    Remarkable.

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  • @Anon
    Nonsense.

    Maybe the key book to read on this topic is Taner Akcam's The Young Turks' Crime Against Humanity. It's important because Akcam is Turkish and reads Ottoman Turkish fluently. He went to the archives and not only identified documents previously ignored but then addressed the research of other Turkish authors, as well as McCarthy and Gunther Lewy, and showed how they had distorted the source material.

    Tolle lege: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9678.html

    Also: http://inevitablehistoricity.blogspot.com/2016/10/contra-lewy-armenian-genocide.html

    Weren’t the Kemalists Donmeh (i.e., crypto) Jews?

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    A handful, maybe, but certainly not the majority. Some were also Armenians and some Greeks. In any case, no Kemalist could refuse to adopt Turkish language and customs. Atatürk was born in Salonika, which was Donmeh central, but he was a lapsed Muslim, not a Donmeh.
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  • @iffen
    There is no downside for an American politician giving support to this legislation.

    OTOH, failure to support has huge downside potential.

    There is no downside for an American politician giving support to this legislation.

    OTOH, failure to support has huge downside potential.

    It’s such a tone-deaf caricature of every anti-semitic argument that, if I were a truly ‘woke’ legislator, I might actually sponsor and vote for it.

    You could hardly imagine a safer or more effective way to call attention to who the real enemy is, while actually appearing to be helping them.

    I hope we see more of this sort of thing.

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  • @AndrewR
    I wish there was a penalty for proposing and voting for unconstitutional legislation. It needs to be harsher than simply being not reelected, which rarely happens anyway.

    I wish there was a penalty for proposing and voting for unconstitutional legislation. It needs to be harsher than simply being not reelected, which rarely happens anyway.

    I did ask a while back if there was no offence under law along the lines of ‘conspiracy to deny constitutional rights’. I compared it to the left’s weasel-tactics of trying to wield double-jeopardy when they couldn’t get their way in court, by resorting to ‘conspiracy to deny civil rights’.

    Steve Sailer posted some time later with the actual statute, in the context of using it to go after those who were organizing to shut down campus speakers – ie, that they were breaking the law by ‘conspiring to deny 1st amendment rights’.

    In the case of lawmakers, I might guess they’d have some kind of immunity, but I don’t know.

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  • @jacques sheete

    Slavery is, like, really bad when they do it to white people.
     
    Sorta like concentration camps and mass murder are, like, really really bad when it happens to "Jewish" people?

    No, it’s bad when it happens to everyone, Mr. Straw Man.

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    No, it’s bad when it happens to everyone, Mr. Straw Man.
     
    No kidding, Mr. I-Don't-Do-Sarcasm-Well.
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  • @MEexpert

    As a descendant at some remove of ordinary Ceylonese villagers (though Catholic and not exactly peasants as fishing and brick-and-tile manufacturies were the main sources of income in the area), I’d say they were quite aware of the fact that the British were not “quite like them”, as one might say.
     
    This sentence doesn't even make any sense. Could you please translate it in simple English for us peasant. Tea export was, and still is, the main source income, although some other industries have bloomed in the post British era.

    I have been going to Sri Lanka at least once a year for many years and have no trouble understanding the comment. Sri Lanka is a country very different from India, with a huge ethnic diversity which doesn’t need the same special knowledge to discern and understand as does India’s. And most people live quite close to the sea. Even the inland peasant would probably always be wondering which lot of foreigners wete intruding most recently. Yet the ignorance would also have been marked judging by the typical enough case of one of our Sinhalese drivers who made such ill informed (as well as derogatory) comments about Tamils when we were in the Tea Country where there were villages populated by “plantation Tamils” that it was clear he had no idea of the 1000 year history of half his country’s Tamils, mostly in the NE where there had once been a Hindu kingdom. (Mind you the local Tamils might have made one think of the northern Tamil Tigers when one saw a young man, who had been accused of rape and dragged off a bus, lying beaten to death beside the road. A hundred villages with wooden clubs were marching along the road to find and deal with his mate.).

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cato
    Dude, this is not an Armenian Genocide Forum--hating Turks is not de rigueur. Most people here are smart enough to know that you are trying to conflate the horrors of Anatolia during WWI with the Holocaust (that pernicious malady, Holocaust-envy, is widely known to be most prevalent among Armenians). As you might know, almost all historians who have learned to read Ottoman Turkish, and who have looked into the details of this "genocide," have concluded that the violence was two-sided: Armenians not only killed equal numbers of Muslims, they actually initiated the cycle of killing. Anyone curious about the truth need only read a book or two by Justin McCarthy.

    Nonsense.

    Maybe the key book to read on this topic is Taner Akcam’s The Young Turks’ Crime Against Humanity. It’s important because Akcam is Turkish and reads Ottoman Turkish fluently. He went to the archives and not only identified documents previously ignored but then addressed the research of other Turkish authors, as well as McCarthy and Gunther Lewy, and showed how they had distorted the source material.

    Tolle lege: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9678.html

    Also: http://inevitablehistoricity.blogspot.com/2016/10/contra-lewy-armenian-genocide.html

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  • @Anon
    Slavery is, like, really bad when they do it to white people.

    Slavery is, like, really bad when they do it to white people.

    Sorta like concentration camps and mass murder are, like, really really bad when it happens to “Jewish” people?

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    No, it's bad when it happens to everyone, Mr. Straw Man.
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  • @Mulegino1
    And to think these white slavers and mafiosos like Mo Dalitz, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were instrumental in funneling arms to the Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Such are the heroes of the ADL.

    And to think these white slavers and mafiosos like Mo Dalitz, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were instrumental in funneling arms to the Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Such are the heroes of the ADL.

    In case yer not aware of this article, I think you’d find it interesting. Christopher Bollyn also has good info on similar topics.

    Two minute article that offers a glimpse of the US mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel in the beginning. The Aspen Institute vid is worth viewing too.:

    Was it ‘jihad’ when Henry Crown smuggled plane parts to Israel?,July 29, 2013 27

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/was-it-jihad-when-henry-crown-smuggled-plane-parts-to-israel-and-when-jeffrey-goldberg-moved-there.html

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  • Bill Making It a Federal Crime to Support BDS Sends Shockwaves Through Progressive Community

    I think its telling that there is very little evidence for shock or outrage coming from any other quarter though.

    You’d think the tough guy, fake conservative and faux patriot crowd would be all over this expressing ineffable indignation, but nary peep do I hear.

    Compare the relatively low number of comments on this article with the number at JR’s article regarding the fabulous tales of immigrant sexual assault. That’s telling too!

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  • The first amendment to the US constitution states,

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    I would think that even if the BDS bill passed through the congress, the Supreme Court will strike it down.

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  • @iffen
    except for the part about an island.

    But Israel is a cultural and political island.

    There, fixed it.

    No need for all you Jew-haters to thank me.

    But Israel is a cultural and political island.

    We all know that. We all know it’s a special one too, ‘specially chosen by G-d himself as a refuge for mendacious,thuggish, opportunistic, anti-Semitic, fascist, materialistic, narcissistic, sadistic, psychopathic, parasitic, militaristic, terroristic, pedophilic, authoritarian, sex and organ trafficking atheists even.

    You can thank me for being so generous and highlighting only their better characteristics.

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  • @Anon
    As a descendant at some remove of ordinary Ceylonese villagers (though Catholic and not exactly peasants as fishing and brick-and-tile manufacturies were the main sources of income in the area), I'd say they were quite aware of the fact that the British were not "quite like them", as one might say.

    The royal family was quite popular; my grandmother still has a picture of Queen Elizabeth, though she liked the Queen Mother (the other Elizabeth) very much better.

    By the way, thanks for enabling replies from the commenterfilter pages; this is much appreciated.

    As a descendant at some remove of ordinary Ceylonese villagers (though Catholic and not exactly peasants as fishing and brick-and-tile manufacturies were the main sources of income in the area), I’d say they were quite aware of the fact that the British were not “quite like them”, as one might say.

    This sentence doesn’t even make any sense. Could you please translate it in simple English for us peasant. Tea export was, and still is, the main source income, although some other industries have bloomed in the post British era.

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    I have been going to Sri Lanka at least once a year for many years and have no trouble understanding the comment. Sri Lanka is a country very different from India, with a huge ethnic diversity which doesn't need the same special knowledge to discern and understand as does India's. And most people live quite close to the sea. Even the inland peasant would probably always be wondering which lot of foreigners wete intruding most recently. Yet the ignorance would also have been marked judging by the typical enough case of one of our Sinhalese drivers who made such ill informed (as well as derogatory) comments about Tamils when we were in the Tea Country where there were villages populated by "plantation Tamils" that it was clear he had no idea of the 1000 year history of half his country's Tamils, mostly in the NE where there had once been a Hindu kingdom. (Mind you the local Tamils might have made one think of the northern Tamil Tigers when one saw a young man, who had been accused of rape and dragged off a bus, lying beaten to death beside the road. A hundred villages with wooden clubs were marching along the road to find and deal with his mate.).
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  • @Cato
    Dude, this is not an Armenian Genocide Forum--hating Turks is not de rigueur. Most people here are smart enough to know that you are trying to conflate the horrors of Anatolia during WWI with the Holocaust (that pernicious malady, Holocaust-envy, is widely known to be most prevalent among Armenians). As you might know, almost all historians who have learned to read Ottoman Turkish, and who have looked into the details of this "genocide," have concluded that the violence was two-sided: Armenians not only killed equal numbers of Muslims, they actually initiated the cycle of killing. Anyone curious about the truth need only read a book or two by Justin McCarthy.

    {Dude, this is not an Armenian Genocide Forum–hating Turks is not de rigueur.}

    Dude, this is whatever Forum UNZ.com moderators say it is: if they didn’t like what I posted, it wouldn’t be published. So take your de rigueur and shove it.

    The rest of your denialist, revisionist, irrational psychobabble is no closer to ‘truth’ than the so-called books of discredited Turk shill Justin McCarthy.

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  • @Avery
    {...understand the context....}

    Not satisfied with the Genocide, and having flooded into Europe, the Islamist UygurTürkoğlu savages are openly calling for the murder of Armenians*.

    [‘Death to Armenian dogs:’ Turkish leader in Sweden steps down after call for killings]
    {The deputy head of Sweden’s main Turkish association stepped down in disgrace after calling for death to Armenians. Speaking to a small crowd in Stockholm, Barbaros Leylani urged Turks to awaken, and to kill what he branded "the Armenian dogs.”} (2016)

    {“It is time for uniting the Turkish nation. The Turks will wake up putting an end to the Armenian dogs. Death to the Armenian dogs! Death! Death! I appeal to believers**. There is an expression, which says that love toward your motherland is a sign of faith. The motherland should not be given to others. It is time for the Turkish republics to unite, it is high time! Thank you everyone for your presence. By this, we show all the Scandinavian states and Europe that we do not like blood, but we are ready to shed it,” Barbaros Leylani stated.}

    I am sure if a group of people murdered 70%-80% of your family, then came around and started inciting the street mobs to murder the rest of your family - you would be discussing the merits of 'peas and pods' , instead of doing everything in your power to stop them.

    ISIS has been advocating the murder of Christians in Europe and more than one 'believer' has acted on it. The savage nomad with the appropriate name "Barbaros"*** squatting in Europe is lucky to get away with just a fine: where is ASALA when we need them.
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    *
    https://www.rt.com/news/339418-sweden-turkey-armenia-scandal/
    http://www.gagrule.net/anti-armenian-protest-stockholm-azerbaijani-turkish-nationalists-chant-death-armenians/

    ** I.e.Turk IslamoFascist nomad savages.

    ***
    means "Barabarian".

    Dude, this is not an Armenian Genocide Forum–hating Turks is not de rigueur. Most people here are smart enough to know that you are trying to conflate the horrors of Anatolia during WWI with the Holocaust (that pernicious malady, Holocaust-envy, is widely known to be most prevalent among Armenians). As you might know, almost all historians who have learned to read Ottoman Turkish, and who have looked into the details of this “genocide,” have concluded that the violence was two-sided: Armenians not only killed equal numbers of Muslims, they actually initiated the cycle of killing. Anyone curious about the truth need only read a book or two by Justin McCarthy.

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    {Dude, this is not an Armenian Genocide Forum–hating Turks is not de rigueur.}

    Dude, this is whatever Forum UNZ.com moderators say it is: if they didn't like what I posted, it wouldn't be published. So take your de rigueur and shove it.

    The rest of your denialist, revisionist, irrational psychobabble is no closer to 'truth' than the so-called books of discredited Turk shill Justin McCarthy.

    , @Anon
    Nonsense.

    Maybe the key book to read on this topic is Taner Akcam's The Young Turks' Crime Against Humanity. It's important because Akcam is Turkish and reads Ottoman Turkish fluently. He went to the archives and not only identified documents previously ignored but then addressed the research of other Turkish authors, as well as McCarthy and Gunther Lewy, and showed how they had distorted the source material.

    Tolle lege: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9678.html

    Also: http://inevitablehistoricity.blogspot.com/2016/10/contra-lewy-armenian-genocide.html
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).
     
    There are further elements of that strong historical analogy, which I remember pointing out to various people ten or fifteen years ago...

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local compradorelites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the "Mother Country," absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    Most amusingly, I'd suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their
    villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island. Presumably, they thought that Gladstone and Victoria, if they even knew their names, were just the Indian imperial rulers from over the next mountain.

    As a descendant at some remove of ordinary Ceylonese villagers (though Catholic and not exactly peasants as fishing and brick-and-tile manufacturies were the main sources of income in the area), I’d say they were quite aware of the fact that the British were not “quite like them”, as one might say.

    The royal family was quite popular; my grandmother still has a picture of Queen Elizabeth, though she liked the Queen Mother (the other Elizabeth) very much better.

    By the way, thanks for enabling replies from the commenterfilter pages; this is much appreciated.

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    As a descendant at some remove of ordinary Ceylonese villagers (though Catholic and not exactly peasants as fishing and brick-and-tile manufacturies were the main sources of income in the area), I’d say they were quite aware of the fact that the British were not “quite like them”, as one might say.
     
    This sentence doesn't even make any sense. Could you please translate it in simple English for us peasant. Tea export was, and still is, the main source income, although some other industries have bloomed in the post British era.
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    For the first time ever, I agree with you on this point.

    There’s always hope for you. :-)

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  • @Mulegino1
    And to think these white slavers and mafiosos like Mo Dalitz, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were instrumental in funneling arms to the Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Such are the heroes of the ADL.

    Slavery is, like, really bad when they do it to white people.

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    Slavery is, like, really bad when they do it to white people.
     
    Sorta like concentration camps and mass murder are, like, really really bad when it happens to "Jewish" people?
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  • @Avery
    {... peas in a pod....}

    How original: is that the best you could come up with?
    And there are no ' Republicans' nor 'Democrats' in Europe.
    Read the entire chain of posts and understand the context before you render an irrelevant opinion.

    {…understand the context….}

    Not satisfied with the Genocide, and having flooded into Europe, the Islamist UygurTürkoğlu savages are openly calling for the murder of Armenians*.

    [‘Death to Armenian dogs:’ Turkish leader in Sweden steps down after call for killings]
    {The deputy head of Sweden’s main Turkish association stepped down in disgrace after calling for death to Armenians. Speaking to a small crowd in Stockholm, Barbaros Leylani urged Turks to awaken, and to kill what he branded “the Armenian dogs.”} (2016)

    {“It is time for uniting the Turkish nation. The Turks will wake up putting an end to the Armenian dogs. Death to the Armenian dogs! Death! Death! I appeal to believers**. There is an expression, which says that love toward your motherland is a sign of faith. The motherland should not be given to others. It is time for the Turkish republics to unite, it is high time! Thank you everyone for your presence. By this, we show all the Scandinavian states and Europe that we do not like blood, but we are ready to shed it,” Barbaros Leylani stated.}

    I am sure if a group of people murdered 70%-80% of your family, then came around and started inciting the street mobs to murder the rest of your family – you would be discussing the merits of ‘peas and pods’ , instead of doing everything in your power to stop them.

    ISIS has been advocating the murder of Christians in Europe and more than one ‘believer’ has acted on it. The savage nomad with the appropriate name “Barbaros”*** squatting in Europe is lucky to get away with just a fine: where is ASALA when we need them.
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    *

    https://www.rt.com/news/339418-sweden-turkey-armenia-scandal/

    http://www.gagrule.net/anti-armenian-protest-stockholm-azerbaijani-turkish-nationalists-chant-death-armenians/

    ** I.e.Turk IslamoFascist nomad savages.

    ***
    means “Barabarian”.

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    Dude, this is not an Armenian Genocide Forum--hating Turks is not de rigueur. Most people here are smart enough to know that you are trying to conflate the horrors of Anatolia during WWI with the Holocaust (that pernicious malady, Holocaust-envy, is widely known to be most prevalent among Armenians). As you might know, almost all historians who have learned to read Ottoman Turkish, and who have looked into the details of this "genocide," have concluded that the violence was two-sided: Armenians not only killed equal numbers of Muslims, they actually initiated the cycle of killing. Anyone curious about the truth need only read a book or two by Justin McCarthy.
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  • @Cato

    the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense
     
    Sounds like you and the "29 Republicans and 14 Democrats" are peas in a pod.

    {… peas in a pod….}

    How original: is that the best you could come up with?
    And there are no ‘ Republicans’ nor ‘Democrats’ in Europe.
    Read the entire chain of posts and understand the context before you render an irrelevant opinion.

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    {...understand the context....}

    Not satisfied with the Genocide, and having flooded into Europe, the Islamist UygurTürkoğlu savages are openly calling for the murder of Armenians*.

    [‘Death to Armenian dogs:’ Turkish leader in Sweden steps down after call for killings]
    {The deputy head of Sweden’s main Turkish association stepped down in disgrace after calling for death to Armenians. Speaking to a small crowd in Stockholm, Barbaros Leylani urged Turks to awaken, and to kill what he branded "the Armenian dogs.”} (2016)

    {“It is time for uniting the Turkish nation. The Turks will wake up putting an end to the Armenian dogs. Death to the Armenian dogs! Death! Death! I appeal to believers**. There is an expression, which says that love toward your motherland is a sign of faith. The motherland should not be given to others. It is time for the Turkish republics to unite, it is high time! Thank you everyone for your presence. By this, we show all the Scandinavian states and Europe that we do not like blood, but we are ready to shed it,” Barbaros Leylani stated.}

    I am sure if a group of people murdered 70%-80% of your family, then came around and started inciting the street mobs to murder the rest of your family - you would be discussing the merits of 'peas and pods' , instead of doing everything in your power to stop them.

    ISIS has been advocating the murder of Christians in Europe and more than one 'believer' has acted on it. The savage nomad with the appropriate name "Barbaros"*** squatting in Europe is lucky to get away with just a fine: where is ASALA when we need them.
    __________________
    *
    https://www.rt.com/news/339418-sweden-turkey-armenia-scandal/
    http://www.gagrule.net/anti-armenian-protest-stockholm-azerbaijani-turkish-nationalists-chant-death-armenians/

    ** I.e.Turk IslamoFascist nomad savages.

    ***
    means "Barabarian".
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  • @Avery
    {Any time history is protected by laws one must assume that the proof for this particular history is very thin.}

    That is your uneducated, Turkophile biased opinion.

    {The Armenian genocide now is protected in France and Germany.}

    No it isn't: but the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense.
    We are working at it.
    It will be sooner or later in more European countries.
    Part of the full spectrum defense against UygurTürkoğlu invadoNomad Turks who are continuing their centuries old campaign to wipe out Armenians and Armenia.

    the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense

    Sounds like you and the “29 Republicans and 14 Democrats” are peas in a pod.

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    {... peas in a pod....}

    How original: is that the best you could come up with?
    And there are no ' Republicans' nor 'Democrats' in Europe.
    Read the entire chain of posts and understand the context before you render an irrelevant opinion.
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  • @Druid
    True! As was breaking prohibition illegally and prostitution in the US east. The mafia were pikers comparatively!

    And to think these white slavers and mafiosos like Mo Dalitz, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were instrumental in funneling arms to the Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Such are the heroes of the ADL.

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    Slavery is, like, really bad when they do it to white people.
    , @jacques sheete

    And to think these white slavers and mafiosos like Mo Dalitz, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were instrumental in funneling arms to the Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Such are the heroes of the ADL.
     
    In case yer not aware of this article, I think you'd find it interesting. Christopher Bollyn also has good info on similar topics.

    Two minute article that offers a glimpse of the US mobsters who supported the criminal state of Israel in the beginning. The Aspen Institute vid is worth viewing too.:


    Was it ‘jihad’ when Henry Crown smuggled plane parts to Israel?,July 29, 2013 27

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/was-it-jihad-when-henry-crown-smuggled-plane-parts-to-israel-and-when-jeffrey-goldberg-moved-there.html

     

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  • @Mulegino1
    Wrong. The transatlantic slave trade was dominated by Sephardic Jews, not Christian Europeans. You people are all about celebrating collective achievement while eschewing collective guilt, while at the same time impugning the latter to everyone else.

    True! As was breaking prohibition illegally and prostitution in the US east. The mafia were pikers comparatively!

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    And to think these white slavers and mafiosos like Mo Dalitz, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel were instrumental in funneling arms to the Jewish terrorists in Palestine. Such are the heroes of the ADL.
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1
    Wrong. The transatlantic slave trade was dominated by Sephardic Jews, not Christian Europeans. You people are all about celebrating collective achievement while eschewing collective guilt, while at the same time impugning the latter to everyone else.

    Well, gee, that’s a compelling argument.

    Sephardic Jews dominated the slave trade in some places and not in others. In Recife, for examples, where the Jews were virtually all Sephardic, they dominated that trade. In the United States, however, they did not. In the United States, the slave trade was dominated by white plantation owners and British shipping companies.

    Don’t forget, by the way, that demand drives a market and not supply. You could potentially prove that every last slave trader was Jewish, and you still wouldn’t exculpate white Christian Europeans, who constituted the vast majority of the people buying slaves.

    So suck on that, K?

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  • @Anon
    Um, Europe. Remember that triangle thingy they taught you about in high school? Three points of departure/arrival: slaves from West Africa sent to the U.S. South; cotton and sugar sent from the south to Europe. Money and ships sent from Europe, chiefly England.

    Wrong. The transatlantic slave trade was dominated by Sephardic Jews, not Christian Europeans. You people are all about celebrating collective achievement while eschewing collective guilt, while at the same time impugning the latter to everyone else.

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    Well, gee, that's a compelling argument.

    Sephardic Jews dominated the slave trade in some places and not in others. In Recife, for examples, where the Jews were virtually all Sephardic, they dominated that trade. In the United States, however, they did not. In the United States, the slave trade was dominated by white plantation owners and British shipping companies.

    Don't forget, by the way, that demand drives a market and not supply. You could potentially prove that every last slave trader was Jewish, and you still wouldn't exculpate white Christian Europeans, who constituted the vast majority of the people buying slaves.

    So suck on that, K?
    , @Druid
    True! As was breaking prohibition illegally and prostitution in the US east. The mafia were pikers comparatively!
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  • @Avery
    You again, Dr. Bovine M.D.
    Haven't you had enough of - what is it that you called me - the "Armenian tool"?

    I was right.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    I know I'm going to regret this, but you're saying it's ok to have censorship and curtailment of free inquiry in Europe but not the US (you don't actually say you'd object to it here, come to think of it)?

    You again, Dr. Bovine M.D.
    Haven’t you had enough of – what is it that you called me – the “Armenian tool”?

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    I was right.
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  • @JA139
    'The trust is not something Soros can buy'
    Ahem

    "The Guardian is not owned by a trust at all. In 2008, “the trust was replaced with a limited company” that was accordingly re-named “The Scott Trust Limited.” Though not a trust at all, but simply a profit-making company, it is still referred to frequently as ‘The Scott Trust,’ promulgating the widely-held but mistaken belief in the Guardian’s inherently benign ownership structure. … The problem, of course, is that the Guardian functions under the same sort of corporate structure as any other major media company."

    The Guardian got in bed with Soros years ago.

    I may have oversimplified the situation when correctly refuting Dyxstra’s wild misstatement about Soros buying the Guardian. However I prefer the Wikipedia elaboration to the short tendentious quote you have found somewhere.

    In fact Soros has been severely criticised by or in the Guatdian. That I find out from the obvious search as I rarely read the Guardian.

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  • @jacques sheete

    Most amusingly, I’d suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island.
     
    Although it's more depressing than amusing, much the same could be accurately said about the masses of American proles and peasants of today along with their "leaders" (even and especially the high IQ and well schooled ones), except for the part about an island.

    except for the part about an island.

    But Israel is a cultural and political island.

    There, fixed it.

    No need for all you Jew-haters to thank me.

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    But Israel is a cultural and political island.
     
    We all know that. We all know it's a special one too, 'specially chosen by G-d himself as a refuge for mendacious,thuggish, opportunistic, anti-Semitic, fascist, materialistic, narcissistic, sadistic, psychopathic, parasitic, militaristic, terroristic, pedophilic, authoritarian, sex and organ trafficking atheists even.

    You can thank me for being so generous and highlighting only their better characteristics.
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  • @Ron Unz

    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).
     
    There are further elements of that strong historical analogy, which I remember pointing out to various people ten or fifteen years ago...

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local compradorelites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the "Mother Country," absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    Most amusingly, I'd suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their
    villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island. Presumably, they thought that Gladstone and Victoria, if they even knew their names, were just the Indian imperial rulers from over the next mountain.

    You might be right about the ignorance of the average peasant but Nepalese for example would have been very conscious of the career opportunities for Ghurka soldiers who were peasants’ sons and throughout India there would have been not a few comparable traditional careers.

    After independence there was quite a lot of nostalgia for the Raj amongst those who despised their local politicians and resented the corruption which had not been a feature of ex-pat civil servants’ behaviour. I recall a mountain guide, brought up in Assam but from a Christìan Kerala family who pointed that out precisely. Our ex Indian army officer guide also despised local politicians and seemed to like his Anglo clientele.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    He wasn't talking about slavery as such, but rather the slave *trade*. Where do you think those ships sailed from?

    Um, Europe. Remember that triangle thingy they taught you about in high school? Three points of departure/arrival: slaves from West Africa sent to the U.S. South; cotton and sugar sent from the south to Europe. Money and ships sent from Europe, chiefly England.

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    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    Wrong. The transatlantic slave trade was dominated by Sephardic Jews, not Christian Europeans. You people are all about celebrating collective achievement while eschewing collective guilt, while at the same time impugning the latter to everyone else.
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Of course they would, the essence of fascism is state capitalism, big business is in bed with the government (that was the model for the New Deal). At any rate the Nazi dictatorship was far milder than its Soviet counterpart, witness the public opposition to the early euthanasia program, this would have been unheard of in the SU.

    Depends on the point of comparison. Certainly, in most cases, the Soviet system was more authoritarian. But in the middle of a war, with resources stretched, a corporation is going to tell bald-faced lies to the SS and expect to get away with it? I don’t think so.

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  • @Anon123
    Good for Congress. BDS is out to destroy Israel, which would be a disaster for what remains of Western culture. There are two enemies of the West: the left and Islam. It's not a coincidence that both are enemies of Israel and the Jewish people. Churchill, Washington and Lincoln all admires the Jews, for good
    reason. They have given the world more than any other people. And we in America need them and their genius to weather the storms that are coming. You haters of the Jews on this website are so uneducated, obsessed and utterly stupid it is laughable to read your comments.

    They have given the world more than any other people.

    It seems that the world would be a lot better off with much of what they’ve given it.

    Myself, I’d rather have syphilis.

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  • @Anon
    Rhode Island was the first British colony to ban slave, fully 100 years before the Touro Synagogue was founded in Newport. So no, you're wrong.

    He wasn’t talking about slavery as such, but rather the slave *trade*. Where do you think those ships sailed from?

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    Um, Europe. Remember that triangle thingy they taught you about in high school? Three points of departure/arrival: slaves from West Africa sent to the U.S. South; cotton and sugar sent from the south to Europe. Money and ships sent from Europe, chiefly England.
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  • @Anon
    Really? So they'll puff up their product to the secret police of the most powerful state in Europe?

    Of course they would, the essence of fascism is state capitalism, big business is in bed with the government (that was the model for the New Deal). At any rate the Nazi dictatorship was far milder than its Soviet counterpart, witness the public opposition to the early euthanasia program, this would have been unheard of in the SU.

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    Depends on the point of comparison. Certainly, in most cases, the Soviet system was more authoritarian. But in the middle of a war, with resources stretched, a corporation is going to tell bald-faced lies to the SS and expect to get away with it? I don't think so.
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  • @Avery
    {No it shouldn’t. It is bad enough Jews want Holocaust denial a federal offense. Add in Armenians....}

    My post was specifically concerning Europe and was specifically directed at the individual who is spreading falsehoods about AG. I won't play nice with people like that.

    As to US: it would be pretty damn impossible for Jews or anybody else to curtail the First amendment. For some reason or other, both conservative and liberal SCOTUS have shown great reverence to the First even while the other amendments have been under relentless attack over decades and have been rendered all but void. (particularly the 2nd, 4th, 5th,..)

    {We have enough of our own homegrown real issues to deal with. We don’t need to include the rest of the worlds ethnic hatreds.}

    Agree 100%. Assuming "we", e.g. our Federal government (State Dept) , does not stick its nose in every corner of the world and get involved in the rest of the world's "ethnic hatreds." When they do - as you know very well they do - and take sides with one party or other, at the expense of the other, _and_ at the expense of the American taxpayer _and_ contrary to the interest of the American people, then 'ethnics' like me have no choice but to get involved.

    Case in point: Syria.

    US worked with Turkey and helped Turkey (with a bunch of others) to wreck Syria.
    Syria had done absolutely nothing to America or Americans.
    As a result of the wrecking orchestrated by US State Dept (remember Sect Clinton's email re Syria?), a large and fairly prosperous Syrian-Armenian Christian community was largely destroyed, alongside with the rest of Syria. Wealth accumulated over several generations was stolen and looted. A lot of the loot ended up in Turkey. If you were in place, what would you do? Not get involved?

    IF there were a strong Syrian lobby in US, quite possibly the pressure on US Congress would have prevented US wrecking of Syria.
    IF there were a strong Serbian lobby in US, quite possibly Bill Clinton would think twice before bombing Serbia. On the other hand, there _was_ a strong Albanian lobby which encourage Clinton to attack Serbs. (I think McCain was one their darlings).

    Unfortunately that's the situation.
    One has to get involved to mitigate the damage caused by current US foreign policy.

    btw: if you recall, during the "troubles" Irish-Americans were heavily involved in supporting and supplying the IRA. So nothing new.

    I know I’m going to regret this, but you’re saying it’s ok to have censorship and curtailment of free inquiry in Europe but not the US (you don’t actually say you’d object to it here, come to think of it)?

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    You again, Dr. Bovine M.D.
    Haven't you had enough of - what is it that you called me - the "Armenian tool"?
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Yes. When it comes to sheer terror and barbarism, indiscriminate area bombing of civilian centers, pioneered by the British and perfected by the Americans, has few equals.

    Yes. When it comes to sheer terror and barbarism, indiscriminate area bombing of civilian centers, pioneered by the British and perfected by the Americans, has few equals.

    Yup.

    Bombardment from the air is legitimate only when directed at a military objective, the
    destruction or injury of which would constitute a distinct military disadvantage to the
    belligerent.

    – The Hague Convention of Jurists, 1923.

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  • @Mulegino1
    I concur. The US Congress is the ultimate illegal Israeli settlement.

    Rhode Island was the first British colony to ban slave, fully 100 years before the Touro Synagogue was founded in Newport. So no, you’re wrong.

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    He wasn't talking about slavery as such, but rather the slave *trade*. Where do you think those ships sailed from?
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  • @Mulegino1
    I concur. The US Congress is the ultimate illegal Israeli settlement.

    Really? So they’ll puff up their product to the secret police of the most powerful state in Europe?

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    Of course they would, the essence of fascism is state capitalism, big business is in bed with the government (that was the model for the New Deal). At any rate the Nazi dictatorship was far milder than its Soviet counterpart, witness the public opposition to the early euthanasia program, this would have been unheard of in the SU.
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  • @Ron Unz

    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).
     
    There are further elements of that strong historical analogy, which I remember pointing out to various people ten or fifteen years ago...

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local compradorelites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the "Mother Country," absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    Most amusingly, I'd suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their
    villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island. Presumably, they thought that Gladstone and Victoria, if they even knew their names, were just the Indian imperial rulers from over the next mountain.

    Most amusingly, I’d suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island.

    Although it’s more depressing than amusing, much the same could be accurately said about the masses of American proles and peasants of today along with their “leaders” (even and especially the high IQ and well schooled ones), except for the part about an island.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    except for the part about an island.

    But Israel is a cultural and political island.

    There, fixed it.

    No need for all you Jew-haters to thank me.
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  • @MarkinLA
    No it isn’t: but the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense.

    No it shouldn't. It is bad enough Jews want Holocaust denial a federal offense. Add in Armenians and everybody will point to some date in their past history and demand a federal law about it. We have enough of our own homegrown real issues to deal with. We don't need to include the rest of the worlds ethnic hatreds.

    {No it shouldn’t. It is bad enough Jews want Holocaust denial a federal offense. Add in Armenians….}

    My post was specifically concerning Europe and was specifically directed at the individual who is spreading falsehoods about AG. I won’t play nice with people like that.

    As to US: it would be pretty damn impossible for Jews or anybody else to curtail the First amendment. For some reason or other, both conservative and liberal SCOTUS have shown great reverence to the First even while the other amendments have been under relentless attack over decades and have been rendered all but void. (particularly the 2nd, 4th, 5th,..)

    {We have enough of our own homegrown real issues to deal with. We don’t need to include the rest of the worlds ethnic hatreds.}

    Agree 100%. Assuming “we”, e.g. our Federal government (State Dept) , does not stick its nose in every corner of the world and get involved in the rest of the world’s “ethnic hatreds.” When they do – as you know very well they do – and take sides with one party or other, at the expense of the other, _and_ at the expense of the American taxpayer _and_ contrary to the interest of the American people, then ‘ethnics’ like me have no choice but to get involved.

    Case in point: Syria.

    US worked with Turkey and helped Turkey (with a bunch of others) to wreck Syria.
    Syria had done absolutely nothing to America or Americans.
    As a result of the wrecking orchestrated by US State Dept (remember Sect Clinton’s email re Syria?), a large and fairly prosperous Syrian-Armenian Christian community was largely destroyed, alongside with the rest of Syria. Wealth accumulated over several generations was stolen and looted. A lot of the loot ended up in Turkey. If you were in place, what would you do? Not get involved?

    IF there were a strong Syrian lobby in US, quite possibly the pressure on US Congress would have prevented US wrecking of Syria.
    IF there were a strong Serbian lobby in US, quite possibly Bill Clinton would think twice before bombing Serbia. On the other hand, there _was_ a strong Albanian lobby which encourage Clinton to attack Serbs. (I think McCain was one their darlings).

    Unfortunately that’s the situation.
    One has to get involved to mitigate the damage caused by current US foreign policy.

    btw: if you recall, during the “troubles” Irish-Americans were heavily involved in supporting and supplying the IRA. So nothing new.

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    I know I'm going to regret this, but you're saying it's ok to have censorship and curtailment of free inquiry in Europe but not the US (you don't actually say you'd object to it here, come to think of it)?
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  • @jacques sheete

    Nazi and its minions were the same breed as the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese, they were out doing each other in atrocity to fill their diabolic egos,
     
    That is propaganda that'll soon be a century old. It's a bit past it's expiration date, doncha think?

    Here's a primer to help you get your head straight.


    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.
    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler's Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    - Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966
    http://mises.org/daily/2592
     

    Regarding the Japanese, your claims are mostly baloney.. For proof, grab yourself a copy of Charles Lindbergh's memoirs.

    Lindbergh reports that some of our soldiers tortured Japanese prisoners and were as cruel and barbaric at times as the Japanese and comments that he doubts that our record with respect to civilized behavior stood very much higher than that of the Japanese. (pg 875)

    He goes on to relate that American Army officers freely expressed the desire “to exterminate the Jap ruthlessly, even cruelly” and says that it is not the willingness to kill on the part of our soldiers that concerns him but the lack of respect for even the admirable characteristics of the enemy and how we twisted those qualities to make the enemy appear degraded while we called the same characteristics in ourselves admirable and heroic. (ppg 879-80)

    Yes. When it comes to sheer terror and barbarism, indiscriminate area bombing of civilian centers, pioneered by the British and perfected by the Americans, has few equals.

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    Yes. When it comes to sheer terror and barbarism, indiscriminate area bombing of civilian centers, pioneered by the British and perfected by the Americans, has few equals.
     
    Yup.

    Bombardment from the air is legitimate only when directed at a military objective, the
    destruction or injury of which would constitute a distinct military disadvantage to the
    belligerent.

    -- The Hague Convention of Jurists, 1923.
     

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  • ‘The trust is not something Soros can buy’
    Ahem

    “The Guardian is not owned by a trust at all. In 2008, “the trust was replaced with a limited company” that was accordingly re-named “The Scott Trust Limited.” Though not a trust at all, but simply a profit-making company, it is still referred to frequently as ‘The Scott Trust,’ promulgating the widely-held but mistaken belief in the Guardian’s inherently benign ownership structure. … The problem, of course, is that the Guardian functions under the same sort of corporate structure as any other major media company.”

    The Guardian got in bed with Soros years ago.

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    I may have oversimplified the situation when correctly refuting Dyxstra's wild misstatement about Soros buying the Guardian. However I prefer the Wikipedia elaboration to the short tendentious quote you have found somewhere.

    In fact Soros has been severely criticised by or in the Guatdian. That I find out from the obvious search as I rarely read the Guardian.
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  • @Ron Unz

    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).
     
    There are further elements of that strong historical analogy, which I remember pointing out to various people ten or fifteen years ago...

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local compradorelites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the "Mother Country," absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    Most amusingly, I'd suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their
    villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island. Presumably, they thought that Gladstone and Victoria, if they even knew their names, were just the Indian imperial rulers from over the next mountain.

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local comprador elites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the “Mother Country,” absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    It’s true that the British needed native collaborators, and they gave a special status to people at the top of the old power structure (Indian princes) who became honorary members of the elite, sharing in their schools and the British social world. The problems came from what you might call “Proletarian Nationalism” when it developed into a mass movement.

    Another person who regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman in his youth was Lee Kuan Yew, that great Chinese nationalist.

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  • @Z-man
    Excellent but I would add one important item to your post...

    Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and government (ZOG)*, the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
     
    *The American congress is populated by an disproportionate amount of Jews or Jew-ish sycophants. Thus the term Zionist Occupied Government or Territory as in Palestine.

    I concur. The US Congress is the ultimate illegal Israeli settlement.

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    Really? So they'll puff up their product to the secret police of the most powerful state in Europe?
    , @Anon
    Rhode Island was the first British colony to ban slave, fully 100 years before the Touro Synagogue was founded in Newport. So no, you're wrong.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    An equally realistic speculation is that it was a covert opponent who had the ridiculously draconian penalties included.

    Interesting point, but unfortunately, we have no such sleepers inside the staff of our Israli politicians.

    The certainly wouldn’t leave something like that to chance. These aren’t exactly amateurs, each aspect of this law is perfectly choreographed by the Israely Bullying, Subversion and Enforcement Gang known by the misnomer, AIPAC.

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  • @Miro23

    Congress is the lower house of the Knesset and Tel Aviv is actually the capital of Israel's colony i.e. America.
     
    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the "Jewel in the Crown").

    - Both the British colonialists and Jewry in general regarded/regard themselves as racially superior to the natives as proved by the fact that they could dominate and exploit such a numerically superior people.

    - The British colonialists and Jewry were/are required to display a high level of ethnic solidarity with social systems in place to separate them from the natives and reward work in the Imperial Administration.

    - Finance and trade were/are biased to favour the home country Great Britain/Israel, and in times of war Imperial Possessions are required to provide troops and economic support.

    - Natives calling for independence from Great Britain/Israel are harassed and investigated and face social exclusion or prison as subversives with Nationalism being the principal crime.

    In fact the British crushed the attempt of Mahatma Gandhi and the Indian National Congress to force them to "quit India" in 1942 but they were weakened by the mass campaign and exhausted officials + the lack of sufficient troops to defeat a renewed mass campaign eventually led them to leave.

    On this reading, BDS and American Nationalism are due to grow and be violently opposed by US Zionists.

    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).

    There are further elements of that strong historical analogy, which I remember pointing out to various people ten or fifteen years ago…

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local compradorelites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the “Mother Country,” absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    Most amusingly, I’d suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their
    villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island. Presumably, they thought that Gladstone and Victoria, if they even knew their names, were just the Indian imperial rulers from over the next mountain.

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    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local comprador elites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the “Mother Country,” absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.
     
    It's true that the British needed native collaborators, and they gave a special status to people at the top of the old power structure (Indian princes) who became honorary members of the elite, sharing in their schools and the British social world. The problems came from what you might call "Proletarian Nationalism" when it developed into a mass movement.

    Another person who regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman in his youth was Lee Kuan Yew, that great Chinese nationalist.
    , @jacques sheete

    Most amusingly, I’d suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island.
     
    Although it's more depressing than amusing, much the same could be accurately said about the masses of American proles and peasants of today along with their "leaders" (even and especially the high IQ and well schooled ones), except for the part about an island.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You might be right about the ignorance of the average peasant but Nepalese for example would have been very conscious of the career opportunities for Ghurka soldiers who were peasants' sons and throughout India there would have been not a few comparable traditional careers.

    After independence there was quite a lot of nostalgia for the Raj amongst those who despised their local politicians and resented the corruption which had not been a feature of ex-pat civil servants' behaviour. I recall a mountain guide, brought up in Assam but from a Christìan Kerala family who pointed that out precisely. Our ex Indian army officer guide also despised local politicians and seemed to like his Anglo clientele.
    , @Anon
    As a descendant at some remove of ordinary Ceylonese villagers (though Catholic and not exactly peasants as fishing and brick-and-tile manufacturies were the main sources of income in the area), I'd say they were quite aware of the fact that the British were not "quite like them", as one might say.

    The royal family was quite popular; my grandmother still has a picture of Queen Elizabeth, though she liked the Queen Mother (the other Elizabeth) very much better.

    By the way, thanks for enabling replies from the commenterfilter pages; this is much appreciated.
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  • @Anon123
    Good for Congress. BDS is out to destroy Israel, which would be a disaster for what remains of Western culture. There are two enemies of the West: the left and Islam. It's not a coincidence that both are enemies of Israel and the Jewish people. Churchill, Washington and Lincoln all admires the Jews, for good
    reason. They have given the world more than any other people. And we in America need them and their genius to weather the storms that are coming. You haters of the Jews on this website are so uneducated, obsessed and utterly stupid it is laughable to read your comments.

    You Ziofascists have used Islam as your foil for long enough. You guys are the truly dangerous to the entire world and people are slowly waking up to it like many societies have done before. Time is approaching, Talmudic Jew Zionist!

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  • @Anon
    Overly fascist and violent and a hater of Jews.

    That's heroic to you?

    By the way, my Jewish forebears arrived here 150 years ago. I am the host culture.

    You guys are never hosts. Always parasites. Three thousand years of your psychopathy proves it!

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  • @DESERT FOX
    Congress is the lower house of the Knesset and Tel Aviv is actually the capital of Israels colony ie America.

    Congress is the lower house of the Knesset and Tel Aviv is actually the capital of Israel’s colony i.e. America.

    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).

    - Both the British colonialists and Jewry in general regarded/regard themselves as racially superior to the natives as proved by the fact that they could dominate and exploit such a numerically superior people.

    - The British colonialists and Jewry were/are required to display a high level of ethnic solidarity with social systems in place to separate them from the natives and reward work in the Imperial Administration.

    - Finance and trade were/are biased to favour the home country Great Britain/Israel, and in times of war Imperial Possessions are required to provide troops and economic support.

    - Natives calling for independence from Great Britain/Israel are harassed and investigated and face social exclusion or prison as subversives with Nationalism being the principal crime.

    In fact the British crushed the attempt of Mahatma Gandhi and the Indian National Congress to force them to “quit India” in 1942 but they were weakened by the mass campaign and exhausted officials + the lack of sufficient troops to defeat a renewed mass campaign eventually led them to leave.

    On this reading, BDS and American Nationalism are due to grow and be violently opposed by US Zionists.

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    To my mind the best parallel is with Imperial Great Britain with respect to its Imperial colony India (the “Jewel in the Crown”).
     
    There are further elements of that strong historical analogy, which I remember pointing out to various people ten or fifteen years ago...

    In the Indian Raj, enormous wealth, social prestige, and local political power was still retained by considerable numbers of native rulers in the princely states, who were therefore staunch supporters of the status quo.

    Their sons as well as sons of the other local compradorelites were usually educated at British-style schools, or even spent a few youthful years being awed by the wonders of London and the rest of the "Mother Country," absorbing the ideology and dress of their rulers. For example, I think in his youth Gandhi regarded himself as something of a quasi-English gentleman.

    Most amusingly, I'd suspect that the vast majority of ordinary Indians, the peasants living in their
    villages and such, were so totally ignorant of politics and the world around them that they probably never even realized that they were actually ruled by non-Indians from a small, far away island. Presumably, they thought that Gladstone and Victoria, if they even knew their names, were just the Indian imperial rulers from over the next mountain.
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  • @Mark Green
    The Zionist lobby seeks again to censor and to criminalize speech in America. This latest attack on Free Speech, says Weiss, sends 'shockwaves' through the progressive community.

    But what's so 'shocking' about this ruthless and unscrupulous tactic? For the Jewish Lobby, this is business as usual. Sure, it's an outrage. But it's hardly shocking.

    Philip Weiss is a good man. He does important work. But he's pulling his punches regarding this latest Zionist attack since the overall situation in America involving Israel is even worse than he's willing to describe.

    Indeed, is the progressive community really so naive that they are 'shocked' over a Jewish-lead attempt to criminalize dissent? 'Shocked'? Ha!

    Jewish attempts at wholesale censorship have just reached a new highpoint, that's all. But we're not done yet. Watch the ((media)) ignore this Orwellian law as is salivates over 'Russia-gate'. The kosher fix is in. This is how the Zions play the game.

    Has Mr. Weiss not noticed who controls most news and most entertainment in America--if not most of the Western world? Is he familiar with the original architects of 'hate speech'? Take a deep breath, Philip.

    Censorship, banishment and blacklisting are key tactics of Organized Jewry. Sadly, this nefarious formula has worked very well for the Jewish community. Control speech, control the narrative, control politics. It's what they do. And they do it well.

    So why does this proposed law 'shock' you, Mr. Weiss? Censorship is a key and well-worn factor behind the rise of Jewish power in Washington and beyond.

    The other key element in this equation are the unseemly sums of Jewish money directed at (and withheld from) political candidates based solely on their usefulness to Zionist causes. This is the ugly reality of the situation, Mr. Weiss. It's vast. It's dark.

    What we have in our midst is a quasi-criminal enterprise that operates globally on behalf of the purported interests of Israel and the Jewish People. Among other things, this enterprise targets Free Speech, grass root democracy, intellectual liberty, and genuine self-determination.

    Indeed, more than a few dissidents around the globe have already been already been jailed and/or ruined for disputing certain core Jewish 'truths', especially those concerning events before and during WWII. These are thought crimes. But these Orwellian laws didn't just spring into being by magic. There are Zionist fingerprints all over them.

    This situation is certainly detestable, but it's not shocking. Modern speech infractions began with so-called 'Holocaust Denial'. They have metastasized from there. And it gets worse.

    Entire countries and peoples have been annihilated due to Zionist tricks inside Washington, London, NATO and countless NGOs around the world. This is how Zionists operate.

    Yes, Jewish censorship is a hard and ugly fact of American life. But it's been with us in various forms for decades.

    Without this vast level of control, intellectual and political life in America would surely be more open and free. We would be a different culture. But Zionist taboos and a huge Zionist filter on public discourse affects virtually all political speech in America (some internet sites excepted).

    Without Zionist censorship, Israel's unique and special place in Washington (and in the American Mind) would surely be less than it is now, too. Far less.

    But Israel is coddled and Israel is precious and Israel is privileged like no other nation in the world. Israel's unique place in America has not be achieved by accident. It is a brilliant Zionist accomplishment.

    One trick used by Organized Jewry to attain their special place in the West involves the fallacy of 'anti-Semitism', which is to conflate mistrust of Jews with preemptive mass murder of Jews. And in the worst way imaginable.

    You see, killing huge numbers of people with rockets and bombs really isn't so bad, especially if democracy is achieved. This is how Zio-America conducts its business. Plus, many of these people that we good guys target are terrorists and Nazis!

    But gassing ((people)) to death is a Crime Against Humanity! That's the really bad/evil way to kill people. Bad!

    This is the message. This is how countless Americans are taught to think about political discourse, bad forms of murder, and needless US 'interventions'.

    On top of that, the most evil man who ever lived and the most evil people who ever walked the earth are 'anti-Semites'. Yep.

    This is how the story goes.

    Self-serving myths of this kind come directly from the usual sources. This has produced a very unbalanced and dangerous situation.

    Thus, aversion to Jewish activism is a very reasonable reaction to destructive and dangerous levels of Jewish power and the misuse of that power. 'Anti-Semitism' is therefore a rational and legitimate defense mechanism. It is not equal to, nor does it cause, murder. Violence is violence. Mistrust is mistrust. Very different things.

    Yet ethnocentric Zionists have managed to hype 'anti-Jewishness' ('anti-Semitism') to unparalleled heights. This mega-taboo requires continuous indoctrination and endless repetition. 'Anti-Semitism' is just so terrible and so dangerous! Evil! (Roll out footage of children at Auschwitz. Repeat.)

    Meanwhile, the actual destruction of (anti-Zionist) countries is legitimized and treated like it's 'normal'. Democracy! Freedom! Women's rights! (Destruction of Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Libya is not really so bad. Democracy is coming! So get over it. No apologies necessary).

    This is the Orwellian world we now inhabit. It is not a new development. And we know who the chief architects are.

    Thus this latest assault by upon Free Speech by the usual suspects is merely another step down a long path that's been paved with kosher rules, restrictions, taboos, and prohibitions.

    And wars.

    But the progressive community is 'shocked'?

    Why not simply be outraged by vast and unchecked Zionist criminality?

    The situation is actually far worse than Weiss ever describes.

    (But is saying this 'anti-Semitic'?)

    Whatever the case, this latest legislation is simply another undeclared act of war on political freedom and other basic liberties enshrined in the US Constitution.

    Hey but it's a small price to pay for 'Israeli security'!

    But I must ask: why is it only 'progressives' who can be shocked (disgusted) by Zion's latest attempt to smother Free Speech in America?

    What about the millions of 'non-progressives' who see and understand the cancerous impact that organized Jewry is having on America and much of the world?

    Don't our opinions matter? Can't we express outrage?

    Or are we just deplorable 'anti-Semites'?

    Really. Why are we constantly ignored by 'progressives' like Weiss?

    It is obvious to anyone who thinks about and comprehends this issue that Organized Jewry's latest attempt to muzzle and punish anti-Zionist activism fits a very dark pattern. And it's non-Jews who are most impacted.

    The timeless strategy by Jews to impose silence on their critics goes a long way towards explaining the head-spinning concentration of ((ownership)) in America of our newspapers, out publishing houses, as well as our TV networks and film studios by you-know-who. This is power. Immense power. And it's attainment did not happen by accident.

    As for new speech infractions, the 'crime' of offending/defaming Jews has caused the ruin of countless gentiles. Does this also shock and worry the progressive community? I suspect not.

    Is Weiss aware that there are already laws on the books in America that criminalize material support for the 'Arab boycott' of Israel? Surely he does.

    And I suspect that he's not shocked by that fact.

    Certainly Weiss and the progressive community are disturbed and conflicted over this latest pro-Jewish attack on America. What thinking individual wouldn't be?

    Zionism is aggressive, dangerous, and full of contradictions--especially for 'progressives'.

    As for Israel, does Weiss envision a segregated Jewish state 'living in peace' next to a non-threatening, segregated (and de-militarized) state that's reserved for the native non-Jews (Palestinians). Is that the dream?

    This imposed segregation ('hafrada', in Hebrew) is a central Zionist goal. OK. But Weiss surely understands that this endgame does not jibe very well with liberal values circulating here in America. This is where Zionist political magic comes into play. So 'Never Forget'! (Different rules may therefore apply.) Double standards serve Israel.

    But the fact is that core the Zionists goal of segregation for Jews in Israel (and elsewhere) preceded WWII by centuries. Jewish separation is as old as the Jewish people.

    Ironically, normalacy (peace and even integration) could end up destroying the Jewish people. How? By diluting the Jewish genome via intermarriage. Really. That's the worry among some leaders in Israel. Peace therefore poses an existential (and ironic) threat to the Jewishness. Integration and intermarriage could cause Israel to lose its 'Jewish character'. The Jewish people could become hopelessly diluted.

    Indeed, Jews may celebrate integration and the end of racism in America, but this recipe does not exactly suit 'Jewish continuity'. This explains why marriage between Jews and gentiles in Israel is prohibited.

    And this further explains why ((Hollywood)) celebrates black/white miscegenation in film and on TV, but never will you see Jewish/Arab romance glorified in Hollywood or on Israeli TV. That horrific scenario is worse than a Jew converting to Christianity!

    In their hearts, Jews (even 'progressive' Jews) wish to maintain their separate, kosher, just-us-Jews culture and traditions. This in part is what makes them strong and what's keep the Jewish people intact. They want it for themselves. But they work tirelessly to deny it to whites.

    This double standard further explains why Weiss and his progressive buddies want to keep the 'battle' against Israeli extremism where it properly belongs: just among Jews.

    Thus Weiss pivots to the ((ACLU)) in his offering of a pro-freedom opposition to 'right wing' Zionist hegemony inside America; as if a Jewish-dominated cabal of lawyers ((ACLU)) represents the ideal opposition to domestic Zionist hegemony. This is Jewish theater. Please drop the curtain now.

    Dear Mr. Weiss: perhaps it's time to eliminate these all-Jewish debating societies--especially in matters where there might be ethnic favoritism and a conflict of interest (like with Israel).

    It's time to simply renounce political violence and round up the criminals. But speech--all political speech--must be tolerated. On that we can agree.

    Well said, Mr. Green

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    @Mark Green
    The Zionist lobby seeks again to censor and to criminalize speech in America. This latest attack on Free Speech, says Weiss, sends 'shockwaves' through the progressive community.

    But what's so 'shocking' about this ruthless and unscrupulous tactic? For the Jewish Lobby, this is business as usual. Sure, it's an outrage. But it's hardly shocking.

    Philip Weiss is a good man. He does important work. But he's pulling his punches regarding this latest Zionist attack since the overall situation in America involving Israel is even worse than he's willing to describe.

    Indeed, is the progressive community really so naive that they are 'shocked' over a Jewish-lead attempt to criminalize dissent? 'Shocked'? Ha!

    Jewish attempts at wholesale censorship have just reached a new highpoint, that's all. But we're not done yet. Watch the ((media)) ignore this Orwellian law as is salivates over 'Russia-gate'. The kosher fix is in. This is how the Zions play the game.

    Has Mr. Weiss not noticed who controls most news and most entertainment in America--if not most of the Western world? Is he familiar with the original architects of 'hate speech'? Take a deep breath, Philip.

    Censorship, banishment and blacklisting are key tactics of Organized Jewry. Sadly, this nefarious formula has worked very well for the Jewish community. Control speech, control the narrative, control politics. It's what they do. And they do it well.

    So why does this proposed law 'shock' you, Mr. Weiss? Censorship is a key and well-worn factor behind the rise of Jewish power in Washington and beyond.

    The other key element in this equation are the unseemly sums of Jewish money directed at (and withheld from) political candidates based solely on their usefulness to Zionist causes. This is the ugly reality of the situation, Mr. Weiss. It's vast. It's dark.

    What we have in our midst is a quasi-criminal enterprise that operates globally on behalf of the purported interests of Israel and the Jewish People. Among other things, this enterprise targets Free Speech, grass root democracy, intellectual liberty, and genuine self-determination.

    Indeed, more than a few dissidents around the globe have already been already been jailed and/or ruined for disputing certain core Jewish 'truths', especially those concerning events before and during WWII. These are thought crimes. But these Orwellian laws didn't just spring into being by magic. There are Zionist fingerprints all over them.

    This situation is certainly detestable, but it's not shocking. Modern speech infractions began with so-called 'Holocaust Denial'. They have metastasized from there. And it gets worse.

    Entire countries and peoples have been annihilated due to Zionist tricks inside Washington, London, NATO and countless NGOs around the world. This is how Zionists operate.

    Yes, Jewish censorship is a hard and ugly fact of American life. But it's been with us in various forms for decades.

    Without this vast level of control, intellectual and political life in America would surely be more open and free. We would be a different culture. But Zionist taboos and a huge Zionist filter on public discourse affects virtually all political speech in America (some internet sites excepted).

    Without Zionist censorship, Israel's unique and special place in Washington (and in the American Mind) would surely be less than it is now, too. Far less.

    But Israel is coddled and Israel is precious and Israel is privileged like no other nation in the world. Israel's unique place in America has not be achieved by accident. It is a brilliant Zionist accomplishment.

    One trick used by Organized Jewry to attain their special place in the West involves the fallacy of 'anti-Semitism', which is to conflate mistrust of Jews with preemptive mass murder of Jews. And in the worst way imaginable.

    You see, killing huge numbers of people with rockets and bombs really isn't so bad, especially if democracy is achieved. This is how Zio-America conducts its business. Plus, many of these people that we good guys target are terrorists and Nazis!

    But gassing ((people)) to death is a Crime Against Humanity! That's the really bad/evil way to kill people. Bad!

    This is the message. This is how countless Americans are taught to think about political discourse, bad forms of murder, and needless US 'interventions'.

    On top of that, the most evil man who ever lived and the most evil people who ever walked the earth are 'anti-Semites'. Yep.

    This is how the story goes.

    Self-serving myths of this kind come directly from the usual sources. This has produced a very unbalanced and dangerous situation.

    Thus, aversion to Jewish activism is a very reasonable reaction to destructive and dangerous levels of Jewish power and the misuse of that power. 'Anti-Semitism' is therefore a rational and legitimate defense mechanism. It is not equal to, nor does it cause, murder. Violence is violence. Mistrust is mistrust. Very different things.

    Yet ethnocentric Zionists have managed to hype 'anti-Jewishness' ('anti-Semitism') to unparalleled heights. This mega-taboo requires continuous indoctrination and endless repetition. 'Anti-Semitism' is just so terrible and so dangerous! Evil! (Roll out footage of children at Auschwitz. Repeat.)

    Meanwhile, the actual destruction of (anti-Zionist) countries is legitimized and treated like it's 'normal'. Democracy! Freedom! Women's rights! (Destruction of Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Libya is not really so bad. Democracy is coming! So get over it. No apologies necessary).

    This is the Orwellian world we now inhabit. It is not a new development. And we know who the chief architects are.

    Thus this latest assault by upon Free Speech by the usual suspects is merely another step down a long path that's been paved with kosher rules, restrictions, taboos, and prohibitions.

    And wars.

    But the progressive community is 'shocked'?

    Why not simply be outraged by vast and unchecked Zionist criminality?

    The situation is actually far worse than Weiss ever describes.

    (But is saying this 'anti-Semitic'?)

    Whatever the case, this latest legislation is simply another undeclared act of war on political freedom and other basic liberties enshrined in the US Constitution.

    Hey but it's a small price to pay for 'Israeli security'!

    But I must ask: why is it only 'progressives' who can be shocked (disgusted) by Zion's latest attempt to smother Free Speech in America?

    What about the millions of 'non-progressives' who see and understand the cancerous impact that organized Jewry is having on America and much of the world?

    Don't our opinions matter? Can't we express outrage?

    Or are we just deplorable 'anti-Semites'?

    Really. Why are we constantly ignored by 'progressives' like Weiss?

    It is obvious to anyone who thinks about and comprehends this issue that Organized Jewry's latest attempt to muzzle and punish anti-Zionist activism fits a very dark pattern. And it's non-Jews who are most impacted.

    The timeless strategy by Jews to impose silence on their critics goes a long way towards explaining the head-spinning concentration of ((ownership)) in America of our newspapers, out publishing houses, as well as our TV networks and film studios by you-know-who. This is power. Immense power. And it's attainment did not happen by accident.

    As for new speech infractions, the 'crime' of offending/defaming Jews has caused the ruin of countless gentiles. Does this also shock and worry the progressive community? I suspect not.

    Is Weiss aware that there are already laws on the books in America that criminalize material support for the 'Arab boycott' of Israel? Surely he does.

    And I suspect that he's not shocked by that fact.

    Certainly Weiss and the progressive community are disturbed and conflicted over this latest pro-Jewish attack on America. What thinking individual wouldn't be?

    Zionism is aggressive, dangerous, and full of contradictions--especially for 'progressives'.

    As for Israel, does Weiss envision a segregated Jewish state 'living in peace' next to a non-threatening, segregated (and de-militarized) state that's reserved for the native non-Jews (Palestinians). Is that the dream?

    This imposed segregation ('hafrada', in Hebrew) is a central Zionist goal. OK. But Weiss surely understands that this endgame does not jibe very well with liberal values circulating here in America. This is where Zionist political magic comes into play. So 'Never Forget'! (Different rules may therefore apply.) Double standards serve Israel.

    But the fact is that core the Zionists goal of segregation for Jews in Israel (and elsewhere) preceded WWII by centuries. Jewish separation is as old as the Jewish people.

    Ironically, normalacy (peace and even integration) could end up destroying the Jewish people. How? By diluting the Jewish genome via intermarriage. Really. That's the worry among some leaders in Israel. Peace therefore poses an existential (and ironic) threat to the Jewishness. Integration and intermarriage could cause Israel to lose its 'Jewish character'. The Jewish people could become hopelessly diluted.

    Indeed, Jews may celebrate integration and the end of racism in America, but this recipe does not exactly suit 'Jewish continuity'. This explains why marriage between Jews and gentiles in Israel is prohibited.

    And this further explains why ((Hollywood)) celebrates black/white miscegenation in film and on TV, but never will you see Jewish/Arab romance glorified in Hollywood or on Israeli TV. That horrific scenario is worse than a Jew converting to Christianity!

    In their hearts, Jews (even 'progressive' Jews) wish to maintain their separate, kosher, just-us-Jews culture and traditions. This in part is what makes them strong and what's keep the Jewish people intact. They want it for themselves. But they work tirelessly to deny it to whites.

    This double standard further explains why Weiss and his progressive buddies want to keep the 'battle' against Israeli extremism where it properly belongs: just among Jews.

    Thus Weiss pivots to the ((ACLU)) in his offering of a pro-freedom opposition to 'right wing' Zionist hegemony inside America; as if a Jewish-dominated cabal of lawyers ((ACLU)) represents the ideal opposition to domestic Zionist hegemony. This is Jewish theater. Please drop the curtain now.

    Dear Mr. Weiss: perhaps it's time to eliminate these all-Jewish debating societies--especially in matters where there might be ethnic favoritism and a conflict of interest (like with Israel).

    It's time to simply renounce political violence and round up the criminals. But speech--all political speech--must be tolerated. On that we can agree.

    Is Weiss aware that there are already laws on the books in America that criminalize material support for the ‘Arab boycott’ of Israel? Surely he does.

    There is a law on the books since 1970′s forbidding boycotting of Israel by US corporations.

    https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac

    During the mid-1970′s the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation’s economic boycotts or embargoes. These “antiboycott” laws are the 1977 amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the 1976 Tax Reform Act (TRA). While these laws share a common purpose, there are distinctions in their administration.

    The Arab League boycott of Israel is the principal foreign economic boycott that U.S. companies must be concerned with today. The antiboycott laws, however, apply to all boycotts imposed by foreign countries that are unsanctioned by the United States.

    Conduct that may be penalized under the TRA and/or prohibited under the EAR includes:

    Agreements to refuse or actual refusal to do business with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies.

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    "en the Israeli government and its supporters (the Senate bill is being promoted by AIPAC) attempt to delegitimize the Palestinian-led boycott — a political and economic pressure tactic well within the normative democratic toolbox — they are actually saying that Palestinians do not have the same political rights as others with regards to individual political expression, but more importantly, the right to national self-determination.

    The latter is particularly sinister when you consider that one of the more common Israeli talking points against the BDS Movement these days is to accuse boycotters of denying the Jewish people the right to national self-determination. Denying that right to the Jewish people alone, the argument goes, means the boycott movement is anti-Semitic. Yet if denying the right to national determination to one specific group means crossing such a thick red line that it wades into anti-Semitic territory, then denying another group a set of legitimate tools for achieving that same aim should be just as unconscionable." http://lobelog.com/americas-bds-law-attack-on-far-more-than-free-speech/
    , @anon
    It is one thing for the company to boycott It is different thing for the citizen to demand that the 1 Company divest and removes business from Israeli OT 2 He is she has the right to say that she or he is boycotting or his or her company is not buying those products for resale 3 or asking the Pension Fund or Church to divest from Israeli OT products.

    The law doesn't abrogate or nullify 1st Amendment right , right for freedom of speech or right to raise awareness through these means . The laws are enshrined by international legislation US is a signer to the treaties if not US should to avoid future problems
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  • @Anon
    Overly fascist and violent and a hater of Jews.

    That's heroic to you?

    By the way, my Jewish forebears arrived here 150 years ago. I am the host culture.

    Your Jewish forebearers? You are an Indian as admitted in another thread. Why play games?

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    Overly fascist and violent? You mean like this?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/idf-chief-says-israel-is-becoming-like-nazi-germany-refuses-to-back-down/5600782

    Qhat do you know about the globalresearch site and its backers, practices etc? That seems to be a pretty trustworthy article.

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  • @Mulegino1
    They would also have a reason to engage in puffing up their product. Ever heard of Billy Mays?

    Ever heard of Billy Mays?

    Wow Billy Mays. He was just beginning to get the ‘mother load’ of $$$ when he died at 50! RIP

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  • @Expletive Deleted

    I wish there was a penalty for proposing and voting for unconstitutional legislation.
     
    A good old Anglosaxon sanction. Banishment and permanent exile.

    Execution by hanging of the neck. It would be an excellent deterrent to future traitors.

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  • @Anon
    Yes, the nerve of how he made them bomb Hawaii.

    Yes, the nerve of how he made them bomb Hawaii.

    You probably think that’s a super clever clincher, but he actually did pretty much that. Any serious student of the times knows that FDR goaded them to such a degree that the militarists attacked in a very desperate attempt to buy time.

    Furthermore, among his many crimes, he callously sacrificed US Navy personnel in order to get into the war.

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  • @The Alarmist
    No free speech for you!

    Seinfeld reference, if you didn't get it.

    Such an apt reference.

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  • @Druid
    The government is nothing but but a bunch of psychos ruled by their desires of power, wealth, sex and often, drugs!

    And rock & roll!

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  • @Mulegino1
    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.

    Let's face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright - if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus. The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term "antisemitism" really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.

    You may be the "host culture" now - not that it can be called a "culture" more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion - kind of like Weimar Berlin.

    Excellent but I would add one important item to your post…

    Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and government (ZOG)*, the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.

    *The American congress is populated by an disproportionate amount of Jews or Jew-ish sycophants. Thus the term Zionist Occupied Government or Territory as in Palestine.

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    I concur. The US Congress is the ultimate illegal Israeli settlement.
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  • @Anon
    Overly fascist and violent and a hater of Jews.

    That's heroic to you?

    By the way, my Jewish forebears arrived here 150 years ago. I am the host culture.

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    Qhat do you know about the globalresearch site and its backers, practices etc? That seems to be a pretty trustworthy article.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Virtue signalling to a rather specialised audience - with political payoff in donations...

    so basically, traitors showing loyalty to their masters :)

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  • Good for Congress. BDS is out to destroy Israel, which would be a disaster for what remains of Western culture. There are two enemies of the West: the left and Islam. It’s not a coincidence that both are enemies of Israel and the Jewish people. Churchill, Washington and Lincoln all admires the Jews, for good
    reason. They have given the world more than any other people. And we in America need them and their genius to weather the storms that are coming. You haters of the Jews on this website are so uneducated, obsessed and utterly stupid it is laughable to read your comments.

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    You Ziofascists have used Islam as your foil for long enough. You guys are the truly dangerous to the entire world and people are slowly waking up to it like many societies have done before. Time is approaching, Talmudic Jew Zionist!
    , @jacques sheete

    They have given the world more than any other people.
     
    It seems that the world would be a lot better off with much of what they've given it.

    Myself, I'd rather have syphilis.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    And we in America need them and their genius to weather the storms that are coming.
     
    Yes! We need (((them))) in order to weather the very storms which (((they))) are busy creating.
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  • @Joe Wong
    You should say the "6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers" is questionable or exaggerated but not scientifically impossible frauds; in the Nanking massacre the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese had massacred nearly 400,000 just using Samurai swords and bayonets within few weeks without gas chambers, Nazi and its minions were the same breed as the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese, they were out doing each other in atrocity to fill their diabolic egos, killing "6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers" in so many years from 1938-1945 is entirely possible, otherwise the Nazi and its minions would be a laughing stock to the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese.

    The staff in the forum.codoh.com is the same tricks used by the Japanese to white wash and deny their war crimes and crimes against humanity by questioning the minute details, presenting false evidence, watering down events, outright denial, pointing fingers, accusing victim aggressively, …., the same morally defunct evil propaganda the American is using to wage reckless wars around the world on the moral high ground.

    Nazi and its minions were the same breed as the barbaric and beastly unrepentant war criminal Japanese, they were out doing each other in atrocity to fill their diabolic egos,

    That is propaganda that’ll soon be a century old. It’s a bit past it’s expiration date, doncha think?

    Here’s a primer to help you get your head straight.

    “… this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.
    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    - Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    Regarding the Japanese, your claims are mostly baloney.. For proof, grab yourself a copy of Charles Lindbergh’s memoirs.

    Lindbergh reports that some of our soldiers tortured Japanese prisoners and were as cruel and barbaric at times as the Japanese and comments that he doubts that our record with respect to civilized behavior stood very much higher than that of the Japanese. (pg 875)

    He goes on to relate that American Army officers freely expressed the desire “to exterminate the Jap ruthlessly, even cruelly” and says that it is not the willingness to kill on the part of our soldiers that concerns him but the lack of respect for even the admirable characteristics of the enemy and how we twisted those qualities to make the enemy appear degraded while we called the same characteristics in ourselves admirable and heroic. (ppg 879-80)

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    Yes. When it comes to sheer terror and barbarism, indiscriminate area bombing of civilian centers, pioneered by the British and perfected by the Americans, has few equals.
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  • @Anon
    Töpf und Söhne manufactured those ovens. I think they'd have reason to know.

    They would also have a reason to engage in puffing up their product. Ever heard of Billy Mays?

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    Ever heard of Billy Mays?
     
    Wow Billy Mays. He was just beginning to get the 'mother load' of $$$ when he died at 50! RIP
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  • @Anon

    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.
     
    Codreanu was a pig and died like a pig.

    Let’s face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright – if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus.
     
    I don't know about Lebanese, but Armenians and overseas Chinese have faced rampant discrimination and at times outright genocidal violence, the former in WWI Turkey and the latter in Malaya and Indonesia. That both ethnicities also controlled large proportions of their respective economies is probably no accident, nor is the fact that both groups enjoyed the existence of international ethnic networks of their own people. Who does that remind you of?

    The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term “antisemitism” really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.
     
    Jews have been in this country since the beginning. How are they any less authentic than any other group, given the nation's identity as one of immigrants?

    You may be the “host culture” now – not that it can be called a “culture” more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion – kind of like Weimar Berlin.
     
    Don't get your panties in a bunch, honey pie. There's plenty more America for your kind.

    Codreanu was a “pig”? This from the same cast of characters who shouted “Give us Barrabas!”, “We have no king but Caesar!” and “Crucify him!” and who to this very day concur with this hellish demand of their coreligionist forebears? Sorry, but Codreanu was a fighter made of iron- a deeply spiritual man whose love of country and his faith would hardly be comprehensible to the petty, litigious, mercantile and dirty mind of a Talmudist or his progeny.

    You are correct about Jews being in this country from the beginning. We know this from the existence of synagogues in Newport, Rhode Island and Charleston, South Carolina – two centers of the transatlantic slave trade. Now you can hardly deny the vastly disproportionate role of Sephardic Jews in that nasty business. Of course, the role of the Jews in the slave trade did not begin or end with the transatlantic trade. White slavery is quite a kosher practice.

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  • THE CRIMINALIZATION OF political speech and activism against Israel has become one of the gravest threats to free speech in the West. In France, activists have been arrested and prosecuted for wearing T-shirts advocating a boycott of Israel. The U.K. has enacted a series of measures designed to outlaw such activism. In the U.S., governors...
  • @utu
    There is a law on the books since 1970's forbidding Israel boycott by US corporations.

    https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac
    During the mid-1970's the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation's economic boycotts or embargoes. These "antiboycott" laws are the 1977 amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the 1976 Tax Reform Act (TRA). While these laws share a common purpose, there are distinctions in their administration.

    The Arab League boycott of Israel is the principal foreign economic boycott that U.S. companies must be concerned with today. The antiboycott laws, however, apply to all boycotts imposed by foreign countries that are unsanctioned by the United States.

    Conduct that may be penalized under the TRA and/or prohibited under the EAR includes:

    Agreements to refuse or actual refusal to do business with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies.
     

    There’s been a law on the books since 1791 forbidding congress from adopting a law like this:

    “Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech . . . or the right of the people . . . to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    Ben Cardin is alien filth loyal to a foreign government and utterly contemptuous of the American people and their Constitution. I agree with other commenters here – let the Israel First vermin try and pass this and then enforce it. It will be a great catalyst of long overdue backlash against this cancer.

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  • There is only one story in the news, for followers of the Israel/Palestine conflict, and that is Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Grim’s report at the Intercept yesterday on new legislation in the Congress that would criminalize support for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS). The bill is such a crude example of overreach by the Israel...
  • @Mulegino1
    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.

    Let's face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright - if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus. The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term "antisemitism" really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.

    You may be the "host culture" now - not that it can be called a "culture" more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion - kind of like Weimar Berlin.

    Töpf und Söhne manufactured those ovens. I think they’d have reason to know.

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    They would also have a reason to engage in puffing up their product. Ever heard of Billy Mays?
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    @Mulegino1
    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.

    Let's face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright - if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus. The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term "antisemitism" really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.

    You may be the "host culture" now - not that it can be called a "culture" more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion - kind of like Weimar Berlin.

    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.

    Codreanu was a pig and died like a pig.

    Let’s face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright – if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus.

    I don’t know about Lebanese, but Armenians and overseas Chinese have faced rampant discrimination and at times outright genocidal violence, the former in WWI Turkey and the latter in Malaya and Indonesia. That both ethnicities also controlled large proportions of their respective economies is probably no accident, nor is the fact that both groups enjoyed the existence of international ethnic networks of their own people. Who does that remind you of?

    The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term “antisemitism” really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.

    Jews have been in this country since the beginning. How are they any less authentic than any other group, given the nation’s identity as one of immigrants?

    You may be the “host culture” now – not that it can be called a “culture” more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion – kind of like Weimar Berlin.

    Don’t get your panties in a bunch, honey pie. There’s plenty more America for your kind.

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    Codreanu was a "pig"? This from the same cast of characters who shouted "Give us Barrabas!", "We have no king but Caesar!" and "Crucify him!" and who to this very day concur with this hellish demand of their coreligionist forebears? Sorry, but Codreanu was a fighter made of iron- a deeply spiritual man whose love of country and his faith would hardly be comprehensible to the petty, litigious, mercantile and dirty mind of a Talmudist or his progeny.


    You are correct about Jews being in this country from the beginning. We know this from the existence of synagogues in Newport, Rhode Island and Charleston, South Carolina - two centers of the transatlantic slave trade. Now you can hardly deny the vastly disproportionate role of Sephardic Jews in that nasty business. Of course, the role of the Jews in the slave trade did not begin or end with the transatlantic trade. White slavery is quite a kosher practice.
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  • @Astuteobservor II
    if it doesn't work, why even bother passing this law :)

    Virtue signalling to a rather specialised audience – with political payoff in donations…

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    so basically, traitors showing loyalty to their masters :)
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  • @Mark Green
    The Zionist lobby seeks again to censor and to criminalize speech in America. This latest attack on Free Speech, says Weiss, sends 'shockwaves' through the progressive community.

    But what's so 'shocking' about this ruthless and unscrupulous tactic? For the Jewish Lobby, this is business as usual. Sure, it's an outrage. But it's hardly shocking.

    Philip Weiss is a good man. He does important work. But he's pulling his punches regarding this latest Zionist attack since the overall situation in America involving Israel is even worse than he's willing to describe.

    Indeed, is the progressive community really so naive that they are 'shocked' over a Jewish-lead attempt to criminalize dissent? 'Shocked'? Ha!

    Jewish attempts at wholesale censorship have just reached a new highpoint, that's all. But we're not done yet. Watch the ((media)) ignore this Orwellian law as is salivates over 'Russia-gate'. The kosher fix is in. This is how the Zions play the game.

    Has Mr. Weiss not noticed who controls most news and most entertainment in America--if not most of the Western world? Is he familiar with the original architects of 'hate speech'? Take a deep breath, Philip.

    Censorship, banishment and blacklisting are key tactics of Organized Jewry. Sadly, this nefarious formula has worked very well for the Jewish community. Control speech, control the narrative, control politics. It's what they do. And they do it well.

    So why does this proposed law 'shock' you, Mr. Weiss? Censorship is a key and well-worn factor behind the rise of Jewish power in Washington and beyond.

    The other key element in this equation are the unseemly sums of Jewish money directed at (and withheld from) political candidates based solely on their usefulness to Zionist causes. This is the ugly reality of the situation, Mr. Weiss. It's vast. It's dark.

    What we have in our midst is a quasi-criminal enterprise that operates globally on behalf of the purported interests of Israel and the Jewish People. Among other things, this enterprise targets Free Speech, grass root democracy, intellectual liberty, and genuine self-determination.

    Indeed, more than a few dissidents around the globe have already been already been jailed and/or ruined for disputing certain core Jewish 'truths', especially those concerning events before and during WWII. These are thought crimes. But these Orwellian laws didn't just spring into being by magic. There are Zionist fingerprints all over them.

    This situation is certainly detestable, but it's not shocking. Modern speech infractions began with so-called 'Holocaust Denial'. They have metastasized from there. And it gets worse.

    Entire countries and peoples have been annihilated due to Zionist tricks inside Washington, London, NATO and countless NGOs around the world. This is how Zionists operate.

    Yes, Jewish censorship is a hard and ugly fact of American life. But it's been with us in various forms for decades.

    Without this vast level of control, intellectual and political life in America would surely be more open and free. We would be a different culture. But Zionist taboos and a huge Zionist filter on public discourse affects virtually all political speech in America (some internet sites excepted).

    Without Zionist censorship, Israel's unique and special place in Washington (and in the American Mind) would surely be less than it is now, too. Far less.

    But Israel is coddled and Israel is precious and Israel is privileged like no other nation in the world. Israel's unique place in America has not be achieved by accident. It is a brilliant Zionist accomplishment.

    One trick used by Organized Jewry to attain their special place in the West involves the fallacy of 'anti-Semitism', which is to conflate mistrust of Jews with preemptive mass murder of Jews. And in the worst way imaginable.

    You see, killing huge numbers of people with rockets and bombs really isn't so bad, especially if democracy is achieved. This is how Zio-America conducts its business. Plus, many of these people that we good guys target are terrorists and Nazis!

    But gassing ((people)) to death is a Crime Against Humanity! That's the really bad/evil way to kill people. Bad!

    This is the message. This is how countless Americans are taught to think about political discourse, bad forms of murder, and needless US 'interventions'.

    On top of that, the most evil man who ever lived and the most evil people who ever walked the earth are 'anti-Semites'. Yep.

    This is how the story goes.

    Self-serving myths of this kind come directly from the usual sources. This has produced a very unbalanced and dangerous situation.

    Thus, aversion to Jewish activism is a very reasonable reaction to destructive and dangerous levels of Jewish power and the misuse of that power. 'Anti-Semitism' is therefore a rational and legitimate defense mechanism. It is not equal to, nor does it cause, murder. Violence is violence. Mistrust is mistrust. Very different things.

    Yet ethnocentric Zionists have managed to hype 'anti-Jewishness' ('anti-Semitism') to unparalleled heights. This mega-taboo requires continuous indoctrination and endless repetition. 'Anti-Semitism' is just so terrible and so dangerous! Evil! (Roll out footage of children at Auschwitz. Repeat.)

    Meanwhile, the actual destruction of (anti-Zionist) countries is legitimized and treated like it's 'normal'. Democracy! Freedom! Women's rights! (Destruction of Iraq, Syria, Palestine and Libya is not really so bad. Democracy is coming! So get over it. No apologies necessary).

    This is the Orwellian world we now inhabit. It is not a new development. And we know who the chief architects are.

    Thus this latest assault by upon Free Speech by the usual suspects is merely another step down a long path that's been paved with kosher rules, restrictions, taboos, and prohibitions.

    And wars.

    But the progressive community is 'shocked'?

    Why not simply be outraged by vast and unchecked Zionist criminality?

    The situation is actually far worse than Weiss ever describes.

    (But is saying this 'anti-Semitic'?)

    Whatever the case, this latest legislation is simply another undeclared act of war on political freedom and other basic liberties enshrined in the US Constitution.

    Hey but it's a small price to pay for 'Israeli security'!

    But I must ask: why is it only 'progressives' who can be shocked (disgusted) by Zion's latest attempt to smother Free Speech in America?

    What about the millions of 'non-progressives' who see and understand the cancerous impact that organized Jewry is having on America and much of the world?

    Don't our opinions matter? Can't we express outrage?

    Or are we just deplorable 'anti-Semites'?

    Really. Why are we constantly ignored by 'progressives' like Weiss?

    It is obvious to anyone who thinks about and comprehends this issue that Organized Jewry's latest attempt to muzzle and punish anti-Zionist activism fits a very dark pattern. And it's non-Jews who are most impacted.

    The timeless strategy by Jews to impose silence on their critics goes a long way towards explaining the head-spinning concentration of ((ownership)) in America of our newspapers, out publishing houses, as well as our TV networks and film studios by you-know-who. This is power. Immense power. And it's attainment did not happen by accident.

    As for new speech infractions, the 'crime' of offending/defaming Jews has caused the ruin of countless gentiles. Does this also shock and worry the progressive community? I suspect not.

    Is Weiss aware that there are already laws on the books in America that criminalize material support for the 'Arab boycott' of Israel? Surely he does.

    And I suspect that he's not shocked by that fact.

    Certainly Weiss and the progressive community are disturbed and conflicted over this latest pro-Jewish attack on America. What thinking individual wouldn't be?

    Zionism is aggressive, dangerous, and full of contradictions--especially for 'progressives'.

    As for Israel, does Weiss envision a segregated Jewish state 'living in peace' next to a non-threatening, segregated (and de-militarized) state that's reserved for the native non-Jews (Palestinians). Is that the dream?

    This imposed segregation ('hafrada', in Hebrew) is a central Zionist goal. OK. But Weiss surely understands that this endgame does not jibe very well with liberal values circulating here in America. This is where Zionist political magic comes into play. So 'Never Forget'! (Different rules may therefore apply.) Double standards serve Israel.

    But the fact is that core the Zionists goal of segregation for Jews in Israel (and elsewhere) preceded WWII by centuries. Jewish separation is as old as the Jewish people.

    Ironically, normalacy (peace and even integration) could end up destroying the Jewish people. How? By diluting the Jewish genome via intermarriage. Really. That's the worry among some leaders in Israel. Peace therefore poses an existential (and ironic) threat to the Jewishness. Integration and intermarriage could cause Israel to lose its 'Jewish character'. The Jewish people could become hopelessly diluted.

    Indeed, Jews may celebrate integration and the end of racism in America, but this recipe does not exactly suit 'Jewish continuity'. This explains why marriage between Jews and gentiles in Israel is prohibited.

    And this further explains why ((Hollywood)) celebrates black/white miscegenation in film and on TV, but never will you see Jewish/Arab romance glorified in Hollywood or on Israeli TV. That horrific scenario is worse than a Jew converting to Christianity!

    In their hearts, Jews (even 'progressive' Jews) wish to maintain their separate, kosher, just-us-Jews culture and traditions. This in part is what makes them strong and what's keep the Jewish people intact. They want it for themselves. But they work tirelessly to deny it to whites.

    This double standard further explains why Weiss and his progressive buddies want to keep the 'battle' against Israeli extremism where it properly belongs: just among Jews.

    Thus Weiss pivots to the ((ACLU)) in his offering of a pro-freedom opposition to 'right wing' Zionist hegemony inside America; as if a Jewish-dominated cabal of lawyers ((ACLU)) represents the ideal opposition to domestic Zionist hegemony. This is Jewish theater. Please drop the curtain now.

    Dear Mr. Weiss: perhaps it's time to eliminate these all-Jewish debating societies--especially in matters where there might be ethnic favoritism and a conflict of interest (like with Israel).

    It's time to simply renounce political violence and round up the criminals. But speech--all political speech--must be tolerated. On that we can agree.

    Philip Weiss always pulls his punches. Mondoweiss is a site written for Jews, by Jews. The premise is to decry certain behaviors dubbed unworthy of Judaism, but never to question the legitimacy of Israel. (Gilad Atzmon calls such writers “Anti-Zionist Zionists.”)

    Should I read this article? More useful to read the bill itself, S.720 – Israel Anti-Boycott Act -

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720/text

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  • Wow!!!! $1 million and twenty years behind bars?? Next we’ll have to bow and pray to them, with an amendment to the constitution…. and make it a capital crime…

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  • And, most important: a diverse coalition of human-rights-loving Democrats are enraged by this legislation and are organizing against AIPAC’s role in the party.

    I sojourned among former and disgruntled Democrats for years after Bill Clinton kicked Labor to the curb and Dubya began the insane GWAT. I pleaded with them to bolt the party. I finally gave up on them. The Corporate Dems use them and then fuck over them time and time again. It’s Charlie Brown and the football. Most recently the Corporate Dems blatantly stole the nomination for Hillary the Terrible. Yet the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party remains loyal on election day. Forget about them. They will never leave the Reservation.

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  • @Anon
    Overly fascist and violent and a hater of Jews.

    That's heroic to you?

    By the way, my Jewish forebears arrived here 150 years ago. I am the host culture.

    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.

    Let’s face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright – if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus. The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term “antisemitism” really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.

    You may be the “host culture” now – not that it can be called a “culture” more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion – kind of like Weimar Berlin.

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    Codreanu made the brilliant observation that, as there is a feeling of kindred spirit between those who work to serve their society and culture, there is also the same type of kinship between those who would destroy them.
     
    Codreanu was a pig and died like a pig.

    Let’s face facts- the Jews do not face the antipathy of peoples universally because they are successful or bright – if that were the case, the Lebanese, the Armenians and many southern Asian ethnicities would also face the same animus.
     
    I don't know about Lebanese, but Armenians and overseas Chinese have faced rampant discrimination and at times outright genocidal violence, the former in WWI Turkey and the latter in Malaya and Indonesia. That both ethnicities also controlled large proportions of their respective economies is probably no accident, nor is the fact that both groups enjoyed the existence of international ethnic networks of their own people. Who does that remind you of?

    The Jewish collective is disliked because of the behavior of its most prominent and powerful elements and agents. Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
    As such, the misused term “antisemitism” really refers to an immunological response of the authentic folk to a societal virus.
     
    Jews have been in this country since the beginning. How are they any less authentic than any other group, given the nation's identity as one of immigrants?

    You may be the “host culture” now – not that it can be called a “culture” more like an anti-culture of rot, scatology and perversion – kind of like Weimar Berlin.
     
    Don't get your panties in a bunch, honey pie. There's plenty more America for your kind.
    , @Anon
    Töpf und Söhne manufactured those ovens. I think they'd have reason to know.
    , @Z-man
    Excellent but I would add one important item to your post...

    Nobody that I know complains about kosher delis or Jewish dentists. But Hollywood, the entertainment business, the iron grip over academia and government (ZOG)*, the corruption of the arts, not to mention usurious finance are another matter.
     
    *The American congress is populated by an disproportionate amount of Jews or Jew-ish sycophants. Thus the term Zionist Occupied Government or Territory as in Palestine.
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  • @Anon
    Tell us all: why did Töpf estimate the crematory power at Birkenau to be 4,500 bodies per day?

    It doesn’t matter what “Topf” estimated or claimed. According to Engineer Prufer when two bodies were put into one of the retorts, the retort could not stand the strain and burst into flames. The retorts were ordinary cremation retorts which had a one body per hour limit, with periodic need for maintenance and cooling and a lifetime capacity of approximately three thousand cremation cycles.

    A body cannot be cremated in less than an hour. Modern crematories with their state of the art gas ovens cannot achieve this and certainly the primitive coke fired ovens could not have. There are thermal barriers and heat parameters necessary. Below the lower limit, the body will simply scorch and above the upper limit it will become charred and rubbery, as is evinced by the horrendous photos of victims of the Dresden firestorm.

    After the recent Japanese earthquake, the entire nation found that its crematory capacity was woefully inadequate to handle the mere thousands of victims of the tsunami.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/15/japan-tsunami-petrol-food-bodies

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  • @Bill Jones
    The vomiting of the State of Israel on the people of Palestine was the biggest foreign policy fuck up since FDR's attempt to get a war with Japan started.

    Yes, the nerve of how he made them bomb Hawaii.

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    Yes, the nerve of how he made them bomb Hawaii.
     
    You probably think that's a super clever clincher, but he actually did pretty much that. Any serious student of the times knows that FDR goaded them to such a degree that the militarists attacked in a very desperate attempt to buy time.

    Furthermore, among his many crimes, he callously sacrificed US Navy personnel in order to get into the war.
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  • @DESERT FOX
    Congress is the lower house of the Knesset and Tel Aviv is actually the capital of Israels colony ie America.

    Absolutely true. I’ve been saying for a while that we are part of the Israeli Empire i.e. It’s crown jewel that it can exploit to the fullest. Someday maybe we will fight for our freedom from these Zionist fascists

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  • @Alden
    Allegedly the Frankish tribe of Germans under GrossKarl slaughtered 5,000 Saxons after the Saxons lost a battle in the 9th century.

    I always wondered how that was arranged. Unless the Franks brought 5,000 shackles with them, how did they control the Saxons? An army would have whetstones to keep sharpening the blades. Who buried the bodies?

    The Old Testament would have added noughts, with relish. I wonder if the Internet is bringing back the ancients custom of florud rhetoric and gross exaggeration.

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  • @jacques sheete

    But maybe the end is in sight, Udo Ulfkotte wrote a bestseller in Germany about how the media are manipulated, a second book on Lügen Presse, lying newspapers, will be published soon.
     
    Here's another one for ya. it details the rot at the top and how the goons get their way. It shows how the law of the jungle operates under a well constructed mask., and how the media is complicit.

    https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/books/adults-in-the-room/

    I consider it a "must read" for anyone interested in what runs the show. Spoiler.: The system stinks to the point of non-redemption. Many if not most of the operators are clowns and fools, including the ones in positions of supposed power.

    I doubt the end is in sight though, because Upton Sinclair, in the 1920s, wrote about the topic you mention, and none other than Thomas Jefferson was aware of the problem of scumbag newspapers.


    “You know well that [the British] government always kept a kind of standing army of news writers who without any regard to truth, or to what should be like truth, invented & put into the papers whatever might serve the minister. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”

    T Jefferson, to G. K. van Hogendorp, Paris, Oct. 13, 1785

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/let38.asp

     

    I challenge anyone to prove that the situation is fundamentally better today.

    The government is nothing but but a bunch of psychos ruled by their desires of power, wealth, sex and often, drugs!

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    And rock & roll!
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  • @Avery
    {Any time history is protected by laws one must assume that the proof for this particular history is very thin.}

    That is your uneducated, Turkophile biased opinion.

    {The Armenian genocide now is protected in France and Germany.}

    No it isn't: but the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense.
    We are working at it.
    It will be sooner or later in more European countries.
    Part of the full spectrum defense against UygurTürkoğlu invadoNomad Turks who are continuing their centuries old campaign to wipe out Armenians and Armenia.

    No it isn’t: but the denial of the AG should be a criminal offense.

    No it shouldn’t. It is bad enough Jews want Holocaust denial a federal offense. Add in Armenians and everybody will point to some date in their past history and demand a federal law about it. We have enough of our own homegrown real issues to deal with. We don’t need to include the rest of the worlds ethnic hatreds.

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    {No it shouldn’t. It is bad enough Jews want Holocaust denial a federal offense. Add in Armenians....}

    My post was specifically concerning Europe and was specifically directed at the individual who is spreading falsehoods about AG. I won't play nice with people like that.

    As to US: it would be pretty damn impossible for Jews or anybody else to curtail the First amendment. For some reason or other, both conservative and liberal SCOTUS have shown great reverence to the First even while the other amendments have been under relentless attack over decades and have been rendered all but void. (particularly the 2nd, 4th, 5th,..)

    {We have enough of our own homegrown real issues to deal with. We don’t need to include the rest of the worlds ethnic hatreds.}

    Agree 100%. Assuming "we", e.g. our Federal government (State Dept) , does not stick its nose in every corner of the world and get involved in the rest of the world's "ethnic hatreds." When they do - as you know very well they do - and take sides with one party or other, at the expense of the other, _and_ at the expense of the American taxpayer _and_ contrary to the interest of the American people, then 'ethnics' like me have no choice but to get involved.

    Case in point: Syria.

    US worked with Turkey and helped Turkey (with a bunch of others) to wreck Syria.
    Syria had done absolutely nothing to America or Americans.
    As a result of the wrecking orchestrated by US State Dept (remember Sect Clinton's email re Syria?), a large and fairly prosperous Syrian-Armenian Christian community was largely destroyed, alongside with the rest of Syria. Wealth accumulated over several generations was stolen and looted. A lot of the loot ended up in Turkey. If you were in place, what would you do? Not get involved?

    IF there were a strong Syrian lobby in US, quite possibly the pressure on US Congress would have prevented US wrecking of Syria.
    IF there were a strong Serbian lobby in US, quite possibly Bill Clinton would think twice before bombing Serbia. On the other hand, there _was_ a strong Albanian lobby which encourage Clinton to attack Serbs. (I think McCain was one their darlings).

    Unfortunately that's the situation.
    One has to get involved to mitigate the damage caused by current US foreign policy.

    btw: if you recall, during the "troubles" Irish-Americans were heavily involved in supporting and supplying the IRA. So nothing new.

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