Whoever it was that created the hugely successful (i.e., effective) “It’s Okay To Be White“ meme is, in my humble opinion, a sort of Michelangelo of Memes
Actually the Martin Luther: the launch of IOTBW’s postering operation coincided with the 95 Theses quincentenary.
Major sh!tposting against a moribund cathedral (or synagogue) doesn’t have to be complicated to be effective.
You’re welcome. As an aside, note how seldom you see any kind of decent map in mainstream coverage of Syria…
TD,
who cares about Baked Alaska!? And what implosion are you talking about!?
The Alt Right have super-brainiac Sam Harris on their side now:
McInnes, Molyneux, and 4chan: Investigating pathways to the alt-right
The “skeptics” movement — whose adherents claim to challenge beliefs both scientific and spiritual by questioning the evidence and reasoning that underpin them — has also helped channel people into the alt-right by way of “human biodiversity.” Sam Harris has been one of the movement’s most public faces, and four posters on the TRS thread note his influence. – https://www.splcenter.org/20180419/mcinnes-molyneux-and-4chan-investigating-pathways-alt-right
Sam Harris
Verified account @SamHarrisOrg
9 hours ago
The @splcenter removes @MaajidNawaz from their Hate Watch page, but then adds me as a racist leader of the alt-Right. We may have discovered a new law of nature—the conservation of stupidity…
The @splcenter removes @MaajidNawaz from their Hate Watch page, but then adds me as a racist leader of the alt-Right. We may have discovered a new law of nature—the conservation of stupidity…https://t.co/tiYORddhp7
— Sam Harris (@SamHarrisOrg) April 20, 2018
Ummmm the alt right has imploded
Wathc all his videos
Antifa has owned you guys
Alt Right has youth and energy, and that’s plus.
But youth also means immaturity, childish egos, and playground behavior:
Here’s a good example with a guys calling each other ‘fat’.
Man. Once again, Fred subjects us to his incessant rant about ze poor Mexicans and the Alt right. BUILD THE WALL. KEEP FRED OUT!
Good piece from Richard Spencer:
Back To The Beginning
As an authentic anti-war movement, the Alt-Right is more relevant than ever.
Since the rise of Donald Trump, journalists, academics, and activists have amused themselves penning elaborate “think pieces” on the Alt-Right. “How could this have happened!?” seems to be the unvoiced question behind almost all of them. Whether it’s a smear job against an individual activist or an attempt to deconstruct, once and for all, the entire movement—or the occasional insightful analysis—the premise is that something has gone “wrong” somewhere. Thus, we get journalism as psychoanalysis and insinuation—how the Alt-Right is all about White racial anxiety, toxic masculinity, problematic online cultures, or how this is all just Russia’s fault.
There might be some kernels of truth in there; but in fact, the Alt Right can be explained very simply. It is a loosely organized grouping on the American Right, united around core commitments—Whiteness being indispensable. As I wrote on the eve of Charlottesville, “The Alt-Right wages a situational and ideological war on those deconstructing European history and identity.”
[...]
It is time for the Alt-Right to return to its roots. It is an opposition force, fighting against the established conservative movement, the neoconservatives in particular. The Alt-Right declares the organized conservative movement has betrayed its own constituency by encouraging a war which is not in the interest of the historic American nation. And the Alt-Right stands alone, not just against Conservatism Inc., but the frothing war-hungry jackals of the mainstream media, the foreign interests screaming for blood, and the hypocritical hall-monitors calling themselves antifa.
Yes Fred. I am not aware of anyone who has advocated the removal of Latins who are American citizens. Where do you find this alt right information?
Discouraging illegal immigration is not racist. It is common sense until such time that nation states go away. We are losing 50,000 per year to drug overdoses and most of the drugs come through the Mexican border. Maybe the Mexican state will eventually suppress the cartels and we could have a more pleasant relationship with our neighbor. Don’t hold your breath.
A wall is a practical means for defining a border. By itself it will not stop every border jumper. Personnel are also necessary. The wall can reduce the numbers of personnel needed and save money over time.
US security is the only reason we need a federal government. Most of us like Mexicans and other Latins. The illegal migrants we get are not lifting our nation. Apparently Mexican brain surgeons and engineers prefer to stay put. It costs our bankrupt nation a fortune to cover hospitals, schools and other costs of cheap labor.
Morissey’s become alt-right, and even Roger Waters is bashing the MSM.
Nope. Roger Waters especially. From what I can see he’s mostly upset about Palestine and Western “imperialism”.
Morrissey recommended Douglas Murray’s book. Murray claims to be a neoconservative, though he’s certainly much better on immigration and multiculti than any neocon I’m familiar with.
The Who’s iconic “Won’t Get Fooled Again” likely has the potential to pump up an 18-year-old campus Marxist as much as an 18-year-old (closeted) campus conservative.
Surprising your selection of Won’t Get Fooled Again, made more prominent by the link to the YouTube video. Anybody who actually listens to these lyrics comes away with a sense that the overarching theme is disenchantment and purposelessness. An overwhelming sense of irony, pessimism and helplessness pervades the whole. It really doesn’t help make your case, even though you are sort of obliquely trying to claim it for the Alt Right halfway, on behalf of closeted 18 year old conservatives.
Recall the lyrics.
There’s nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by the bye
Slogans come, slogans go. Yawn. Like the French say, la plus ça change, la plus ça reste la même chose. As depicted on the album cover, The Who are pissing on the paeans you wrote in praise of Alt Right memes (alliteration intended). Furthermore, a close reading and attention to the themes in the lyrics reveal if the Alt Right isn’t actually dead, it’s in hospice.
Great article! Absolutely agree! Thank you!
I Spend 24 Hours With A KEKISTANI Refugee
In memory of Meme War I #MAGA
It’s time to embrace Memetic warfare
Jeff Giesea page 68https://www.psywar.org/psywar/reproductions/Defence_Strategic_Communications_Issue_1.pdf
[...]
And in the same article, Giesea noticed that Trump supporters online were already practicing advanced meme warfare
– http://www.unz.com/forum/meet-silicon-valleys-secretive-alt-right-followers/#comment-1798766
Xurious – Rise Of The Alt Right
Xurious – The Trump Betrayal
Vanguard & Xurious – Survival
What about the the Sad Puppies? Castalia House? Alt-Hero?
Morissey’s become alt-right, and even Roger Waters is bashing the MSM.
Wendling proves yet again that SJW’s Always Lie.
The greatest source of memes is /pol/. And many /pol/ members are not white.
So…
Heh.
C’mon.
Memes are nothing new. It’s been used by radicals and satirists forever.
Also, many guys who do memes are not really Alt Right. They just like being subversive.
“Fred on Everything,” is it?
Has anyone ever seen Fred say ANYTHING even mildly critical of Mexico or Mexicans?
Or merely mentioning the existence of cartels?
But never mind that, Fred’s not afraid to bad-mouth far-away gringos. Or a carburetor:
— (http://www.unz.com/freed/in-which-embattled-manhood-rassles-a-carburetor-and-is-discomfited/ ]
Well, I guess we’ll just give ‘em a copy of muh Constitution as they cross the border, and the magic dirt will take care of the rest.
I think some central American nations already have a constitution modeled after ours but haven’t achieved the same results. Not even close. So either it’s the tragic dirt they live on or race and genetics matter also as those unspeakably wicked race realists, alt-righters and white nationalists have been saying.
Thanks for putting up that great map, James. I am a big map guy, and that is a good way to present this data.
One wonders what is up with Bolivia, though. Not enough air to take a good breath for good shooting accuracy or just too damn poor to even afford guns or knives? Then there’s British Guyana next to, but pinker than Surinam – is that just due to Jim Jones’ Kool-Aid drinkers distorting the average? It looks like Greenland is pretty safe if you are up on the ice cap but don’t wander down to Narsarsuaq at the wrong hour, huh?
Anyway, all joking aside, thanks for that graphic and great points in your comment #234. VDare collectively knows 3 orders of magnitude more about the immigration issue than Fred Reed.
KenH, I expected a bit more from you… I guess from some of your posts having to do with other issues…
I guess I expected a bit more from you as well. Did you bother to look up any of your claims?
There are no majority white nations in the top 25 for homicide rates per 100K. Russia only clocks in at #30 behind many Latino and black African nations while Uruguay comes in at #51.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html
Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world & it does have a very large white population… yet, its murder rate is higher than many very poor black African countries…
Whites in Brazil are only a plurality, not a majority. The mulatto and black population who comprise about 51% of the population commit the lion’s share of the murders just like they do in the USA.
That you want to control your borders I totally get, but there is no need for the BS.
Same to you. You’re trying to re-contextualize and spin data so it looks like white nations are as much or more violent than non-white or multiracial nations.
So what about Fred’s assertion that mestizos are peaceful types, with very little propensity for violent crime? Well, let’s see how they do back in their own countries. For instance, which countries have the highest homicide rates?
Huh. Looks like something going on among those peaceful, low-crime mestizos and Indios in Central America. What do the numbers say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Top 2 are El Salvador and Honduras. Good thing we don’t get anyone infiltrating the US from those countries, eh? Venezuela, Guatemala, and Belize are also in the top ten, with the remainder made up of African and Black-majority Caribbean countries. Even given the likelihood that the African stats are unreliable, thus depriving them of their full share of the credit, that’s pretty significant.
But what about Mexico? Mexico must be pretty peaceful and law-abiding, right? Not according to those “racists” and “nazis” at that evil hive of xenophobic rednecks– NPR:
Well, I guess we’ll just give ‘em a copy of muh Constitution as they cross the border, and the magic dirt will take care of the rest. They’ll suddenly transform into peaceful, low-crime, orderly White Americans, right? Ya just gotta BELIEVE!
I think some central American nations already have a constitution modeled after ours but haven't achieved the same results. Not even close. So either it's the tragic dirt they live on or race and genetics matter also as those unspeakably wicked race realists, alt-righters and white nationalists have been saying.
Well, I guess we’ll just give ‘em a copy of muh Constitution as they cross the border, and the magic dirt will take care of the rest.
“I have read in Alt-Right sites like Vdare and Breitbart News”
Vdare is Alt Right? lol. They’re civic nationalist/ patriotic immigration reform advocates, with a tinge of race realism. But apparently it takes only the occasional hatefact to trigger Fred.
And Breitbart? You’re not serious, are you? BB is straight-up Likud, with a thin veneer of populism/ civic nationalism.
“The obvious and intelligent course regarding immigration from the south is to stop further influx and assimilate those who are not going away and, being citizens, cannot be deported. ”
1. You know that’s vdare’s position as well, right? Either you’ve never bothered to read anything they publish, or you’re deliberately attacking a straw man here.
2. Of course, publicly supporting even this reasonable, moderate position (one that has been consistently supported by a majority of Americans for decades) gets you attacked as an ebil naatzee rayciss xenophobe by the J-Left establishment. Even supporting significant immigration restrictions, let alone a moratorium, causes both sides of the political establishment (neocons and neolibs) to have a conniption. You’re still a “nazi” in the eyes of the establishment for supporting even this one, Fred.
“Mr. Trump’s placing of troops along the border, if carried out, can quickly and practically accomplish the first of these”
lol. Theater. Even W stationed more of the National Guard on the border (6000 vs. 4000)
“as his silly wall would not.”
Ever hear of a country called “Israel?” How many foreign infiltrators made it across the Sinai border last year, hmm? Wasn’t it somewhere between zero and… zero? Sure, they have troops stationed there, but the big difference between now and a few years ago, when thousands were crossing, is… err… some sort of… physical structure…
And that’s just the first two sentences.
“There was not a deliberate plan to shift our population calculus. You are entertaining conspiracy theories.”
There was not a deliberate plan to shift our population calculus. You are entertaining conspiracy theories.”
lol. I’ve seen a lot of cognitively-limited (and deliberately disingenuous) open-borders shills, but this is the first time I’m run across with enough ignorance (or chutzpah) to be a flat out Hart-Celler denialist. “They all just showed up one day! No one knows what happened! It was inevitable! Like they fell from the sky or something!”
More, much more. In that you're ascribing a fairly uniform opinion to an ethno-religious group rather than ascribing a fairly uniform opinion to a fairly uniform opinion.
What Jews get wrong about the Alt-right.
Is that sentence any more or less racial than the title of the article?
Or, ‘people with ideas about people’s-ideas’ versus ‘people with ideas about people’s-ideas’.
Ha. Bad luck for you, my friend. Unlike most commenters around here, I grew up around Indians (yeah, that's what they called themselves). Indeed, I grew up around the Sioux, one of the badass tribes. So your mystical, "we are from the Earth" Indian bullshit holds no sway over me. Indians are just another people, like any other.
some of them my proud ancestors, . . .
If you want a pure white country, find a place that was only ever inhabited by white people that is not subject to the kind of immigration you loathe, transport yourself there, learn the language and call it home.
Yes, population genetics are determining that those peaceful and noble Native Americans/Indios genocided the prior population. Just like the Thule did to the Dorset. One could argue they did it the best way, there is no remaining population to claim victim status.
No it isn't. Entering improperly is a crime, though. IF I am wrong, cite to the law which supports your claim.
2. Living in the US as an illegal alien is a crime.
HAHAHAHAHA! More ignorance. This is a metaphor regarding the admissibility of evidence, and has nothing to do with immigration law.
enforce the law regarding fruit of the poisoned tree
Oh, brother. Don’t bullshit me, Rico. An illegal is an illegal is an illegal. If you wish to split hairs over the precise rule or regulation that is being broken by an illegal standing on the median of I-83 at 4:30AM on a Monday, be my guest. But don’t waste my time with your bullshit. He or she is an invading alien who must either be killed, imprisoned, or deported forthwith.
Do you mean the majority of Latins residing in the USA?
Again, the majority of Latins are not going to go away.
2. Living in the US as an illegal alien is a crime.
No it isn’t. Entering improperly is a crime, though. IF I am wrong, cite to the law which supports your claim.
enforce the law regarding fruit of the poisoned tree
HAHAHAHAHA! More ignorance. This is a metaphor regarding the admissibility of evidence, and has nothing to do with immigration law.
Well the problem is that Fred doesn’t see the world through the lens of reality. One reality I have noticed since the mass invasion of Mexicans is the dumbing down of the schools. When I was a kid there were distinct dumb kids classes and smart kids classes. Nobody thought much about it when the school is 85% white. It was probably the same for the majority black schools as well. Now for politically correct reasons there are no dumb and smart classes just dumb classes.
Not only that, but we have to find ways to get these dumb Mexicans college degrees so they can get government affirmative action do-nothing jobs.
This is just one of the many beneficial changes that has taken place in my lifetime. I kind of want to see these types of changes end.
LOL. Well, he does call himself "simple".
Yeah, I hate when their rhetoric is bomb blast. Those bomb blastic guys are hard to convince, you know?
I must admit it was “simple” of me to make such a post. As I remarked to Tweedy, I must had had my head up my ass. Next time I’ll make better use of my review time.
Yes, I must have had my head up my ass when I wrote that.
Like I said in the other thread, don't drink and post.
Perhaps you could up your game here and engage in substantive dialogue when I challenge your assertions, rather than pass the proverbial intellectual buck.
“Like I said in the other thread, don’t drink and post.”
Looks like your rhetorical game has sunk to a new low.
“The argument for engineering such a massive change in US demographics…”
There was not a deliberate plan to shift our population calculus. You are entertaining conspiracy theories.
“They are stolid, hard workers”
Hard workers, yes. And animated.
“and the planter class is no doubt delighted with their amiable helots.”
Considering their womenfolk are Roman Catholic adherents, your description is off the charts wrong.
“I still oppose my country being deliberately engineered to Central American social and political norms.”
We are not heading in that direction. And it’s not just “your” country.
Don’t you have some legal briefs to write?
The thought crossed my mind. Maybe he’s transracial. Maybe he’s transracial and transgender.
SPARE YOU?????!!!!
Spare me your theories on family relationships and angry white men.
I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU, YOU SCUMBAG! I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE! YOU WERE NOT A PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION!!!????
Welcome to forum software that has no “Private Message” function.
You sure are an excitable little fella. Calm down. You can bullshit if you like, but it’s a forum. Someone is bound to tell you that you’re just bullshitting.
when persons of any ideology stop debating with speech and start debating with real world actual violence .they have in the long run already lost the war of ideas. They may in fact stop some speakers for a time but in the longer run the very tactics of violence and intimidation will be used against them by people that truly are willing to die for what they believe they are protecting.their families, their cultures and the way of life that has made AMERICA great. what many on the left and in progressive circles fail to really comprehend………….. is that we who are not in the circle of their ideology….far far out number them, are better armed, trained, and willing to use whatever means necessary to stop this pollution of our ethical, moral and cultural life
Well, yes, indirectly. His position has reliably been one of belief that the mexican invasion is doing us all a lot of good. Good people, good for America, good for the future prosperity of the American United States of the Western Hemisphere, etc.
Fred now says serious immigration control is fine but don’t deport illegals already here.
Does anyone recall him saying this BEFORE the alien invasion became a catastrophe??
I think you missed my point.
Fred lately pays lip service to the idea that serious immigration enforcement is fine with him, just don’t deport illegals already here.
My point is that I don’t recall him EVER saying that until very recently, AFTER the invasion is already reaching critical mass.
BTW, I don’t “hate Mexicans” or anyone else (with the possible exception of genocidal chicken-hawk war-mongers for “Greater Israel”).
We are extremely over-crowded already. We don’t need any more humans, even if they’re all poster-child perfect (which they are NOT).
SPARE YOU?????!!!!
Spare me your theories on family relationships and angry white men.
See, this is a public forum, for better or for worse. I think that’s the main thing you don’t really understand. It’s quite probable that some people will exceed the limits of civility– whereupon the normal thing to do is ignore them or politely rebuke them, not come back sounding crazier than they do.
Perhaps you could up your game here and engage in substantive dialogue when I challenge your assertions, rather than pass the proverbial intellectual buck.
Like I said in the other thread, don’t drink and post.
SPARE YOU?????!!!!
Spare me your theories on family relationships and angry white men.
Lol! Here we go again with another weekend amphetamine binge…
This is why you don’t have any friends, Jonathan. You are over-self-medicated.
Oh, now, Jonny, be honest. Free speech is about having an intelligent discussion. A "conversation" is a cocktail party convention, the only "adult" part being a requirement for a fake ID to get booze. Furthermore, being "subtle and nuanced", if and when there may be such a requirement (and, seriously, how often do you go all subtle and nuanced, and what good does it do?), amounts to subtlety and nuance only in the mind of he who subtleizes and nuances.
Does a man talk like this?
Well, of course not. You’re obviously somebody who just never grew up.
“Free speech” isn’t about letting a bunch of children disrupt an adult conversation.
Spare me your theories on family relationships and angry white men.
SPARE YOU?????!!!!
I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU, YOU SCUMBAG! I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE! YOU WERE NOT A PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION!!!????
Welcome to forum software that has no "Private Message" function.
I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU, YOU SCUMBAG! I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE! YOU WERE NOT A PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION!!!????
“Why don’t you have a constructive conversation with Jonathan Revusky? I think you could both enlighten each other.”
Perhaps you could up your game here and engage in substantive dialogue when I challenge your assertions, rather than pass the proverbial intellectual buck.
Like I said in the other thread, don't drink and post.
Perhaps you could up your game here and engage in substantive dialogue when I challenge your assertions, rather than pass the proverbial intellectual buck.
Fred now says serious immigration control is fine but don’t deport illegals already here.
Does anyone recall him saying this BEFORE the alien invasion became a catastrophe??
Well, yes, indirectly. His position has reliably been one of belief that the mexican invasion is doing us all a lot of good. Good people, good for America, good for the future prosperity of the American United States of the Western Hemisphere, etc.
I’m not one for insisting that your Generic Mexican is Evil Incarnate, but how does that make a wholesale invasion by millions upon millions of non-assimilating generic mexicans into a “good thing”? 50 million generic mexicans are an economic burden on the middle class American. Certainly, the mexican substandard wage schedule is a boon to the nation-destroying greed of the wealthy class, but again, “good thing for America”? I don’t see it.
Does a man talk like this?
Well, of course not. You’re obviously somebody who just never grew up.
“Free speech” isn’t about letting a bunch of children disrupt an adult conversation.
Oh, now, Jonny, be honest. Free speech is about having an intelligent discussion. A “conversation” is a cocktail party convention, the only “adult” part being a requirement for a fake ID to get booze. Furthermore, being “subtle and nuanced”, if and when there may be such a requirement (and, seriously, how often do you go all subtle and nuanced, and what good does it do?), amounts to subtlety and nuance only in the mind of he who subtleizes and nuances.
Intelligent discussions require some measure of fact, some attempt at analysis, and perhaps some element of dialectics — Hegelian, Socratic or otherwise.
Intelligent discussions do not develop from adolescent maundering, nor from equally adolescent challenges to masculinity or maturity.
Hey, so you’re having a weak week, fine. But, if you want intelligent discussion, start with the elements of one. Spare me your theories on family relationships and angry white men.
SPARE YOU?????!!!!
Spare me your theories on family relationships and angry white men.
Does a man talk like this?
Well, of course not. You’re obviously somebody who just never grew up.
“Free speech” isn’t about letting a bunch of children disrupt an adult conversation.
Oh, now, Jonny, be honest. Free speech is about having an intelligent discussion. A "conversation" is a cocktail party convention, the only "adult" part being a requirement for a fake ID to get booze. Furthermore, being "subtle and nuanced", if and when there may be such a requirement (and, seriously, how often do you go all subtle and nuanced, and what good does it do?), amounts to subtlety and nuance only in the mind of he who subtleizes and nuances.
Does a man talk like this?
Well, of course not. You’re obviously somebody who just never grew up.
“Free speech” isn’t about letting a bunch of children disrupt an adult conversation.
Truth, you’re absolutely right. Let’s clink the virtual glasses and have drink.
Why don’t you have a constructive conversation with Jonathan Revusky? I think you could both enlighten each other.
[sigh]
Spare us, please. Well, spare me, anyway. Go write something for Parents Magazine. Feel better.
Fred now says serious immigration control is fine but don’t deport illegals already here.
Does anyone recall him saying this BEFORE the alien invasion became a catastrophe??
Well, yes, indirectly. His position has reliably been one of belief that the mexican invasion is doing us all a lot of good. Good people, good for America, good for the future prosperity of the American United States of the Western Hemisphere, etc.
Fred now says serious immigration control is fine but don’t deport illegals already here.
Does anyone recall him saying this BEFORE the alien invasion became a catastrophe??
“This country was founded as a white nation in 1776.”
Actually, our nation was founded by a host of Europeans.
“The greater truth is that we dragged them out of the stone age kicking and screaming all the way. We are now providing them with a first world quality of life.”
Perhaps these groups preferred their way of life, rather than be offered “comforts”. And who is to say that the European, compared to the Native American, way of life is “first world” or of “better quality”? Sounds like more an opinion.
“They want us to provide them a first world quality of life too, because they cannot provide it for themselves in Latin America.”
No, they can provide it, just not in the manner they would truly enjoy.
“In fact, we are doomed to become minorities in every culture we have built in this world…”
We, as human beings.
“because the non-whites cannot figure out how to improve their quality of life, other than to elbow their way into white cultures, dump themselves on white men, and demand that we provide for them.”
You seem to forget that it was Europeans who invaded and invited the world, who sought free stuff and gimmedats in the form of raw materials. And, certainly, they provided benefits to the newly conquered.
“They victimize the world because they have failed to turn their cultures into first world countries.”
Never ceases to amaze me the fetish that some have with race realism, false flags, below replacement, and first worldism.
“We are in an existential battle for the survival of Western Civilization.”
Except, Americans and Europeans generally do not view matters in those terms, nor should they be virtue signaled into seeing it as a “battle for Western Civilization”. Remember, you didn’t built it.
“I use Sailer’s definition of race, which is an extended family.”
Except, it’s NOT a definition, but a narrative. Race, ethnicity, family have commonalities, to be sure, but there are NOTICEABLE differences.
Besides, white people are not monolithic. They make up their own minds about race and culture, and need not be virtue signaled to death every time they choose not to “defend their tribe”. Grow up.
“Obviously, I hate the leaders more than the troops, but it’s the troops that will change my world permanently.”
Actually, if you stop the leaders, then there are no troops to lead.
Well, look, this is a very complex conversation if one wants to engage in it in a serious manner and most likely, you’re just here for light entertainment anyway. But look, to really break this whole thing down and discuss it, you have to separate out various issues. What you are saying is actually waaaay too simplistic.
For starters…
What we do in our personal lives does not necessarily absolutely reflect our ideological beliefs. Some of that is good old-fashioned hypocrisy but there are other nuances to consider. For example…
I might choose to live in a very “multicultural” environmental like central London or Paris, say, simply because that is what I personally prefer. Maybe because I find it more stimulating and interesting. However, I still could perfectly well recognize that the majority of British or French people do NOT want that. And I also could recognize that these people have the right to preserve the world that they know and they don’t want their own local town to be flooded with immigrants from all over the world.
So I could perfectly well believe that Hungary’s government has every right to decline to take in all the various refugees because they have the right to preserve their demographic status quo. Yet I also might not want to live in the resulting white ethno-state myself because maybe I would find it boring.
If Derbyshire, let’s say, marries a Chinese woman (which he did) and then moves off and lives happily ever after in China (which he didn’t… yet…) that is his personal choice based on his personal preferences, but if he then defends the right of more conventional white folks to be…. well,… conventional white folks, it’s not clear that there is such an absolute contradiction. Or, Fred Reed, based on the various parameters at that juncture in his life, decided to go live in Mexico and then married a woman he met there. Him doing that is not necessarily tantamount to his saying that everybody should do what he did or thinking that everybody wants that for himself.
One problem here is that this site has basically devolved into being basically some sort of nasty “angry white man” site so you’ve got all these assholes here who just can’t navigate any kind of nuance. So it’s just: “You married a Chinese woman, so you’re a cuck!” “You live in Mexico and seem to like Mexicans okay, so you must be anti-white!” One thing you notice is that they react in an absolutely hostile way to Fred Reed saying anything positive about Mexico, because, for them, if you don’t utter despise other peoples, then you’re anti-white or a cuck or something. This is the level that these people are at.
So, anyway, the issue is much more subtle and nuanced than what you are presenting. Even things that are more clear cases of outright hypocrisy still need to be broken down. Say you have the case of a moralistic preacher who writes eloquent sermons about marital fidelity and then it turns out the guy has a long-time affair with his secretary. Well…. that case is more like good old hypocrisy, but I would still make the point that this does not, in and of itself, mean that the ideals expressed in the guy’s sermons are wrong. Nor does it even mean that he doesn’t believe in all that on some level. That he doesn’t live up to the ideals that he expresses because… well, he’s human… that’s another matter. We understand this.
The issue I brought up that you are skirting around is the propriety of delving into somebody’s personal life from behind a cloak of anonymity. You talked of your “inner circle” and so on. But you’re clearly referring to a case where people who are well acquainted with one another are engaging face to face. So it’s not like you’re getting on somebody’s case over talking all negritude but having a white girlfriend and so forth WHILE hiding the details of your own life.
The other person presumably knows all the details of you life as well, right? And then probably can turn it around on you with things about YOUR life!
A key issue here is just the asymmetry of the whole thing here!
I haven’t had this stuff of people delving into my family or anything, but I have enough experience here of people talking to me in a very personal kind of way from behind a mask, while I’m completely forthright about who I am. I find it pretty disturbing and really quite improper and I think most people would feel the same way I do. It’s really NOT normal. If you (and others here) honestly cannot grasp this basic issue, it might be simply because you’ve never been in that position.
But anyway, I don’t know of any other place on the Internet where the kind of stuff that happens here is tolerated. So, okay, maybe everybody else is marching out of step. I think this website has a real problem with this kind of thing.
It’s part of a bigger problem though. The site is increasingly just some “angry white man” site for venting, more than a real intellectual venue. My feeling is that, to get things back on the rails, if one really wanted this to be more a serious site for intellectual discussion, the whole assholery issue would have to be dealt with.
Assholery and douchebaggery are not what free speech is about.
““Alt-Right paranoia”. Yes, of course. How silly of me not to see that.”
Finally, a breath of fresh air. Glad you realized you were being chumped.
“In other words, your words illustrate that you are a sad, spineless, politically-illiterate Jew apologist, and mentally-deficient cultural marxist, whose left-liberal mainstream-media brainwashing has blinded you to a whole set of simple truths which are painfully obvious to normal people.”
No, that would be an overblown generalization on your part.
“Either that, or a shameless race traitor. Which do you prefer ?”
Do not white people have the liberty to make their own decisions about race and culture? Why are you virtue signaling here?
A key element in what you are describing is that this is, in your own words, your inner circle. Presumably, these are people that you have a level of familiarity and trust with, and you're able to sit down over a beer (or five) and discuss these sensitive topics.You're talking about face-to-face contact of people who know one another personally. Inner circle, i.e. intimate friendships, right?The situation that we're talking about here, that's somebody showing up anonymously and talking about somebody's wife! We're talking about people taking these incredible liberties with you, that you've never met, you don't know who they are...Do you really think that this is the same thing? I wrote five articles here. I am not anonymous. Anybody any good at internet snooping can find out whatever about me. Suppose somebody I don't even know shows up and starts taking these kinds of liberties, talking about my family or friends or anything that they could maybe find out -- all from behind the cloak of anonymity.You really think that kind of thing is okay? Yeah, mon, that's just free speech. You have to accept it.Get a clue, man. That's not free speech. That's just shit.
In a general sense, I wouldn’t call it “badmouthing.” I’m black, and as I tell the “Malcolm-X’s” in my inner circle, who have white girlfriends;
My Friend, I suppose if unz.com had a log line, it would be “working tirelessly for the preservation of white people.”
Now as I said earlier, the most important decision that a man makes, and the one that speaks the most about who he is, is his selection of mate. This is 10x more powerful than one’s car, hobbies or the condition of one’s shoes. As Emerson once said, “what you are screams so loudly in my ears, I cannot hear what you say.
Now I, as an outsider, find it patently absurd that two white men with Asian and Mestizo wives would appoint themselves as preservers of white people. You didn’t preserve your own white heritage, but you are going to tell others how to do it? AYFKM?
That would be like Heidi Klum going on a campaign for the preservation of Germany from immigrants…
http://www.mommyish.com/heidi-klum-divorce-vacation-kids-492/
And being offended when someone made a snarky reference to her children.
I have no problem with anyone’s choice of life partner, that is for he to decide, I also have no problem with someone else shouting down a snake-oil salesman at a carnival.
This is a man’s forum. If you are going to make a fool of yourself by writing columns that contradict your most significant decision in life, be a man and be prepared to urinate standing up.
And to the credit of Mssrs. Reed and Derbyshire, they deal with the FEW snarky and insulting remarks about their families and I believe they are smart enough to know that what I am saying is true.
It is other posters who take offense to it.
Man; you made me actually take this thing seriously for a second! Note to self, go back to making jokes and give unz.com what it asks for.
How much of this drop may have been achieved by having the second highest incarceration rate in the world, IDK…
Second highest? Which is #1? (Hey, we’re always #1, dude!)
I always figured that the main reason for the drop in the murder rate was just the demographics. There was a post-war baby boom up until about 1964, which was then followed by a “baby bust”. So, in the seventies and eighties there was a huge over-supply of young males in their twenties and after that, far fewer. That’s probably the main reason. That the various politicians then want to take credit for this is to be expected.
Another thing that happened was the drug addiction crisis with crack cocaine and all that. It appears that flooding the black ghettos with crack was a deep state operation. So there’s all that sordid history too.
Anyway, I wrote a new article and it is up on my own website.
https://heresycentral.com/2018/04/09/blackbetty/
I submitted it to Ron but I would be surprised if he runs it. Though he still might. He hasn’t told me he isn’t (or that he is). But this weird irrational hostility he was expressing towards me under the last article has certainly not abated.
You did hear that, in New York, some minorities wanted to remove the statue of Christopher Columbus?
How do you feel about that? Glad to hear it? Disgusted by it? Indifferent?
It’s a prophecy. The iconoclasts are showing us how they will tear up the Constitution.
KenH, I expected a bit more from you… I guess from some of your posts having to do with other issues…
Anyway, the murder rate in the ZUSA has dropped considerably from what it was from the mid 60s, to mid 90s… back then, the ZUS was more white than it is now.
How much of this drop may have been achieved by having the second highest incarceration rate in the world, IDK…
Russia, which is generally considered a ‘white’ county by the ZUS Alt Right, reached nearly 50.000 murders in the 1990s, with a population 50 million less than that of present day Brazil.
Point is, the reasons for violence and crime in Latin America are complex and varied and to “explain” it through the notion of race, as in not enough whites or too much mixing or whatever, is just fraudulent.
Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world & it does have a very large white population… yet, its murder rate is higher than many very poor black African countries…
Uruguay’s population is overwhelmingly of European descent(mostly Spanish and Italian) but its murder rate is a bit higher than that of Peru, where most people are either Mestizos or indigenous & nearly 2x that of Chile, which has a smaller % of whites.
That you want to control your borders I totally get, but there is no need for the BS.
This is a bit like saying that Muslims are a bunch of terrorists, rapists and what not, as arguments against immigrants from Muslim countries… not only is this not true, but it ignores how the ZUS has directly or indirectly(through allies) encouraged and propped up Islamic extremist cults.
Second highest? Which is #1? (Hey, we're always #1, dude!)
How much of this drop may have been achieved by having the second highest incarceration rate in the world, IDK…
I guess I expected a bit more from you as well. Did you bother to look up any of your claims?
KenH, I expected a bit more from you… I guess from some of your posts having to do with other issues…
Whites in Brazil are only a plurality, not a majority. The mulatto and black population who comprise about 51% of the population commit the lion's share of the murders just like they do in the USA.
Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world & it does have a very large white population… yet, its murder rate is higher than many very poor black African countries…
Same to you. You're trying to re-contextualize and spin data so it looks like white nations are as much or more violent than non-white or multiracial nations.
That you want to control your borders I totally get, but there is no need for the BS.
I think it would be safe to assume your ancestors were Italian, right?
You did hear that, in New York, some minorities wanted to remove the statue of Christopher Columbus?
How do you feel about that? Glad to hear it? Disgusted by it? Indifferent?
Well, if our immigration policy is not changed, that will happen.
Then freedom to bare arms will be next to go, once minorities overtake us demographically.
Freedom of speech is already largely impeded, but it will be abolished completely.
In one word – freedom.
So if you cherish freedom, you’d want to preserve Whites as majority in any population.
Less Whites, less freedom.
One thing, very obvious to an impartial observer of this world, seems to be escaping you and the rest of egalitarian clique in this comment section:
Politics is downstream from culture, but culture is downstream from people.
No population with average IQ less than 90 ever built a productive society.
That should be fairly obvious from a quick glance over the state of continents.
Boers were also very liberal, very high-minded, open to diversity.
Now white farmers are getting tire necklaces, infants are put in ovens, women raped in front of their families.
Given all the real and fake grievances the left is constantly fueling into minorities, this is going to be our future in the US. To dwindle down to nothingness as a hated minority.
You care more about a rare specie of caterpillar going extinct then you care about your own people.
If our ancestors were behaving like you do today, we would’ve never achieved anything. No protection against Ottomans or Mores, no enlightenment, no territory gained, no exploration of new worlds, …
Only cucking.
It's a prophecy. The iconoclasts are showing us how they will tear up the Constitution.
You did hear that, in New York, some minorities wanted to remove the statue of Christopher Columbus?
How do you feel about that? Glad to hear it? Disgusted by it? Indifferent?
If you love it so much, then move there and embrace it. Otherwise STFU
He has, Fred lives in Mexico.
…Hispanics, the people who invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade, imported and worked to death nearly 9 million African slaves blah, blah
You obviously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. The “hispanics” “invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade”, eh?
The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empires.
Plenty of European Jews from these & other countries participated in it as well, though Spielberg won’t tell ya that.
Dumb fuck.
Allan Wall has the best writing on the problems presented by migrants from South of The Border.
Hey Fred, there is no such race or ethnicity as ”Latin”. It’s an ancient language. You are referring to Hispanics, the people who invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade, imported and worked to death nearly 9 million African slaves and prior to that committed the genocide against virtually all of the indigenous peoples of what is now Mexico Central and South America. The southwest of what is the USA never belonged to Spain or Mexico, in fact when they were attempting to colonize it, they were so barbaric to the Apache, Navajo and Utes those peoples attacked and purged them from their lands over and over again. Any claim they had on those lands was tenuous at best and when the US warred with Mexico, those same tribes joined with us to defeat Mexico. You want to brownwash the Hispanic’s history? You can’t the fecal tinged stench pervades it so much covering it up does no good. Hispanics are a corrupt lawless people whose culture invented the banana republic, it’s people are lawless and incapable of civilization. It is a rape culture. Mexico Central and South American countries are among the most violent countries in the world. If you love it so much, then move there and embrace it. Otherwise STFU. While there are some good Hispanic people they are the exception, not the rule
He has, Fred lives in Mexico.
If you love it so much, then move there and embrace it. Otherwise STFU
You obviously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. The "hispanics" "invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade", eh?
...Hispanics, the people who invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade, imported and worked to death nearly 9 million African slaves blah, blah
Plenty of European Jews from these & other countries participated in it as well, though Spielberg won't tell ya that.
The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empires.
In a general sense, I wouldn't call it "badmouthing." I'm black, and as I tell the "Malcolm-X's" in my inner circle, who have white girlfriends; "I don't give a shit how much Stokley Carmichael you can quote, show me three things and I will make a fair assesment on your feelings about black people:"
Look, I’m not much of a fan of Fred Reed, and especially not Derbyshire. However, I don’t think either of them should have to put up with swine here showing up and badmouthing their wives.
In a general sense, I wouldn’t call it “badmouthing.” I’m black, and as I tell the “Malcolm-X’s” in my inner circle, who have white girlfriends;
A key element in what you are describing is that this is, in your own words, your inner circle. Presumably, these are people that you have a level of familiarity and trust with, and you’re able to sit down over a beer (or five) and discuss these sensitive topics.
You’re talking about face-to-face contact of people who know one another personally. Inner circle, i.e. intimate friendships, right?
The situation that we’re talking about here, that’s somebody showing up anonymously and talking about somebody’s wife! We’re talking about people taking these incredible liberties with you, that you’ve never met, you don’t know who they are…
Do you really think that this is the same thing? I wrote five articles here. I am not anonymous. Anybody any good at internet snooping can find out whatever about me. Suppose somebody I don’t even know shows up and starts taking these kinds of liberties, talking about my family or friends or anything that they could maybe find out — all from behind the cloak of anonymity.
You really think that kind of thing is okay?
Yeah, mon, that’s just free speech. You have to accept it.
Get a clue, man. That’s not free speech. That’s just shit.
Hey the Southwest used to belong to Spain who lost it to Mexico which became a nation in 1810. When the Mormons moved to Utah they were running from persecution in the US. Then the US attacked and conquered the southwest. Read your history. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was broken as fast as the Indian Treaties. Land was stolen from legitimate owners in California as fast as the US squatters could move onto it. That is the history of the world, those with military power subdue those with lesser military power.
To those who don’t like Trump all that can be said about him is that he is doing exactly what he said he would do if elected. Personally I never liked his show where he said YOU ARE FIRED! Watched it once part way through and decided never again.
That's exactly what full commitment to free speech implies. You're just salty because people criticised your ridiculous articles and mocked your subsequent assholery. No one here should care about your "outrage" and "tolerance" thresholds. Just lock yourself in a local a trans-gender toilet and cry it out.
The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery.
The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery.
That’s exactly what full commitment to free speech implies.
Well, of course that is complete nonsense. A commitment to free speech is not a commit to limitless tolerance of assholery and douchebaggery. Of course, you might sincerely believe that it is. After all, if Ron Unz can’t understand the difference between free speech and assholery, obviously it stands to reason that anonymous dipshit #192 doesn’t understand either.
You’re just salty because people criticised your ridiculous articles
That is an utterly ridiculous statement. I wrote five in-depth articles on this site in the full knowledge that people would have criticisms. I openly welcomed a critique of the ideas I was putting forward. I didn’t receive much in the way of any legitimate critique though. Mostly just dishonest douchebaggery.
But, look, anybody who showed up with the shadow of a shadow of a legitimate critique of anything I was saying (or that they thought I was saying) I would engage that person in legitimate debate.
Since all of that, I have, on occasion, gone through all that discussion and it is my considered opinion that nobody ever laid a glove on me in any ensuing debate, either factually or logically. If you think somebody did, then there is a complete electronic record of all of it, and you can point me to where somebody scored any sort of debating point against me.
So what do people do when they can’t debate with somebody legitimately? They just start all the endless douchebaggery. It’s not like you (whoever you are) or anybody else there invented anything new. There are pages out there that break down the basic tactics of professional disrupters in discussion forums. You guys can be observed going through the classic playbook.
To be in a position where, in the name of some completely misconceived understanding of what “free speech” is, one is totally helpless against all this typical bullshit, it’s just ridiculous. The whole thing just degrades into being a sort of cesspool. What happens is that the professional disrupters, people with nothing to say, drive out all the legitimate participants (at least those with a minimum of good taste) who actually DO have something to say!
The whole idea that “free speech” = “unlimited douchebaggery” is just completely unworkable really.
I have to say I'm disappointed to hear that, since it means you probably won't be around to see the western world decompose into the negroidal crap heap that it must inevitably become if racial separation isn't effected.
I have not been accused of being a young man for many decades.
I have to say I’m disappointed to hear that, since it means you probably won’t be around to see the western world decompose into the negroidal crap heap that it must inevitably become if racial separation isn’t effected.
Well you will, Old Sport, and as they say. “failing to prepare is like…” My suggestion; incorporate a few new dance steps into your repertoire…
I’m pretty sure are professional disrupters and disinfo agents.
My Friend, let’s just be perfectly honest, a few, if not most, of the writers here are kikemason professional disinfo agents. If they truly believed what they wrote, the mystery would be how the generate enough brainpower to move their fingers on a keyboard.
I’ve put up with some amazing shit under the articles I wrote. Under one of them, there was this douchebag who signs his drivel “Mr. Anon” who wrote at least 50 comments under the article, fully admitting that he had not read the article! </blockquote
LOL, well you have to understand, Mr. Anon, AKA "grasshopper"; he is one of the "special" ones around here.
Look, I’m not much of a fan of Fred Reed, and especially not Derbyshire. However, I don’t think either of them should have to put up with swine here showing up and badmouthing their wives.
In a general sense, I wouldn’t call it “badmouthing.” I’m black, and as I tell the “Malcolm-X’s” in my inner circle, who have white girlfriends; “I don’t give a shit how much Stokley Carmichael you can quote, show me three things and I will make a fair assesment on your feelings about black people:”
1- Who you fuck
2- Where you live
3- On what you spend your money
I don’t need to hear “400 years of slavery” again, I’ve heard it. When your mouth matches your actions, then and only then are you a real manb.
“Race Traitors” bemoaning the fall of the white race, like the two gentlemen mentioned above, are mere court jesters, again in my humble opinon, who’s job is my entertainment. Apparently, a few others here, (not many) feel the same way.
A key element in what you are describing is that this is, in your own words, your inner circle. Presumably, these are people that you have a level of familiarity and trust with, and you're able to sit down over a beer (or five) and discuss these sensitive topics.You're talking about face-to-face contact of people who know one another personally. Inner circle, i.e. intimate friendships, right?The situation that we're talking about here, that's somebody showing up anonymously and talking about somebody's wife! We're talking about people taking these incredible liberties with you, that you've never met, you don't know who they are...Do you really think that this is the same thing? I wrote five articles here. I am not anonymous. Anybody any good at internet snooping can find out whatever about me. Suppose somebody I don't even know shows up and starts taking these kinds of liberties, talking about my family or friends or anything that they could maybe find out -- all from behind the cloak of anonymity.You really think that kind of thing is okay? Yeah, mon, that's just free speech. You have to accept it.Get a clue, man. That's not free speech. That's just shit.
In a general sense, I wouldn’t call it “badmouthing.” I’m black, and as I tell the “Malcolm-X’s” in my inner circle, who have white girlfriends;
Well, this is a misunderstanding. (I hope it's not deliberate.) I wasn't talking about anything that could be described in a sane manner as "censorship".
The low-censorship policy
Well my feelings on this are that the rules of what can, and cannot be said should be established upon the front page. If some keyboard kommando insults your wife under the cloak of anonymity, you have choices:
Insult back
Ignore it
Leave the site
Register a complaint
Ultimately I feel that the creator of a site has his right to the way the site is run and that’s fine with me. Unz and the rest, in my humble opinon are fair with what they allow and do not allow.
Well, this is a misunderstanding. (I hope it's not deliberate.) I wasn't talking about anything that could be described in a sane manner as "censorship".
The low-censorship policy
The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery.
That’s exactly what full commitment to free speech implies. You’re just salty because people criticised your ridiculous articles and mocked your subsequent assholery. No one here should care about your “outrage” and “tolerance” thresholds. Just lock yourself in a local a trans-gender toilet and cry it out.
Well, of course that is complete nonsense. A commitment to free speech is not a commit to limitless tolerance of assholery and douchebaggery. Of course, you might sincerely believe that it is. After all, if Ron Unz can't understand the difference between free speech and assholery, obviously it stands to reason that anonymous dipshit #192 doesn't understand either.That’s exactly what full commitment to free speech implies.
The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery.
That is an utterly ridiculous statement. I wrote five in-depth articles on this site in the full knowledge that people would have criticisms. I openly welcomed a critique of the ideas I was putting forward. I didn't receive much in the way of any legitimate critique though. Mostly just dishonest douchebaggery.
You’re just salty because people criticised your ridiculous articles
As the demographics of the United States cease to resemble East Tennessee and begin to resemble California and Hawaii, the politics of Congressman John Duncan will be replaced by the politics of Congressman Adam Schiff and Senator Brian Schatz.
Coronel Fred Reed del Batallón San Patricio disingenuously pretends to not understand this simple fact.
Like much of what else has been written here, you write out of pure suppositions, not facts. I have not been accused of being a young man for many decades. I have been at some pains to show you that though at some points I generally could agree with the critique here of leftism and its view of race, there is third way of looking at race outside of the racist/antiracist dialectic that that is based on facts not fetishes, e.g. Fred's article. I plead guilty to being brainwashed in what you could call a religion, because frankly my brain needed washing badly and continues to need it on an ongoing basis. The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is much older than a country founded in 1776 by white people and its roots are in the foundations of the earth. I regard my identity in Christ first, and I look for the eschaton, the consummation of all things when I will stand with the great multitude from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, before the throne. Furthermore, I'm not Italian. I'm also not Catholic.
Poor Giuseppe, you seem to be a young man thoroughly brainwashed in new religion of Antiracism. This is really the new experiment that has only been going on for only about 53 years. It has utterly failed. This country was founded as a white nation in 1776.
I have not been accused of being a young man for many decades.
I have to say I’m disappointed to hear that, since it means you probably won’t be around to see the western world decompose into the negroidal crap heap that it must inevitably become if racial separation isn’t effected.
On the other hand, I’m glad you aging anti-racist loons are departing this earth. The youngest generations have certainly been raised on a diet of racial lies, but genetic science and contemporary cultural-political developments are both beginning to severely undermine the case for race-denial in the eyes of growing numbers of people. I think such people will prove far more susceptible to reason than old school anti-white race-deniers like you.
Well you will, Old Sport, and as they say. "failing to prepare is like..." My suggestion; incorporate a few new dance steps into your repertoire...
I have to say I’m disappointed to hear that, since it means you probably won’t be around to see the western world decompose into the negroidal crap heap that it must inevitably become if racial separation isn’t effected.
Yeah, I hate when their rhetoric is bomb blast. Those bomb blastic guys are hard to convince, you know?
LOL. Well, he does call himself “simple”.
The blog’s owner decides. For example, check out the Saker’s blog: http://thesaker.is/moderation-policy/
Gee, ya think? Just FYI, I don’t read “the Saker”, and remain blissfully free from whatever influence he may be projecting.
I operated forums for twelve years. People insult each other with varying degrees of skill, and using varying methodologies. That’s what people do. No matter what measures a forum moderator takes, some degree of insult will trickle through.
In my opinion, moderators should have the discretion to delete any post containing ad hominem invective. Just delete such, outright. Let the nasty, insulting poster figure out a way to say it without attacking the character, morals, birthright legitimacy, etc. of the offending targeted person. It makes for better dialog when standard forms of vituperation are disallowed. Opinions, values, arguments, reasoning, etc. should be subject to attack. The person, never.
Now, I will concede that moderators, traditionally, have not been known for their ability to distinguish ad hominem from what may, in fact, be their own opinions as well as those of the person writing the ad hominem.
As my Mom frequently points out, we live in a fallen world. That being said, I see no good reason not to raise it up a bit, given what few opportunities we might have to do so.
“They’re not sending us their best”, remember. Even if the Mexican average is tolerable, the folks coming to the US are hardly the elites of Mexico City or Jalisco, but the un-educated, illiterate types. About 60%, I believe, have not finished high school at all.
Chairman Mao can really use a guy like you, Jonathan. You sound like you really get him.
It’s one thing to “let a thousand flowers bloom” but you still have to pull weeds.
Godree whatever is the better example of post-Maosist crap, but Revusky, Linh Dinh enjoys travelling with him, but thankfully, Revusky is just another commentor here, not columnist or commentator … yet.
The thing is that Ron Unz doesn't really understand the difference between free speech and assholery.
For God’s sake, Ron, why do you not have moderators to eliminate hate-filled angry fools like this person?
Exactly ! Thanks, John!
A right? Okay, let's not quibble semantic value. Censorship quells dissent. Is that good? Foul language can be distasteful and distracting from any genuine content that may or may not be included. Who decides, and who moderates the Moderators?
Why evil? The owner of a blog has the right to allow anyone he pleases to comment and he has the right to exclude people he doesn’t want.
“Who decides, and who moderates the Moderators?”
The blog’s owner decides. For example, check out the Saker’s blog: http://thesaker.is/moderation-policy/
Gee, ya think? Just FYI, I don't read "the Saker", and remain blissfully free from whatever influence he may be projecting.
The blog’s owner decides. For example, check out the Saker’s blog: http://thesaker.is/moderation-policy/
Chairman Mao can really use a guy like you, Jonathan. You sound like you really get him.
It’s one thing to “let a thousand flowers bloom” but you still have to pull weeds.
Look, I’m not much of a fan of Fred Reed, and especially not Derbyshire. However, I don’t think either of them should have to put up with swine here showing up and badmouthing their wives. Especially, people who are such cowards as to do it anonymously.
I’ve put up with some amazing shit under the articles I wrote. Under one of them, there was this douchebag who signs his drivel “Mr. Anon” who wrote at least 50 comments under the article, fully admitting that he had not read the article! That’s not the only one. Increasingly, the douchebag shit eaters who show up openly say they never read the article.
There are a lot of people here who are really up to no good. Some of them are just assorted anonymous cranks, but others, I’m pretty sure are professional disrupters and disinfo agents. It’s not always easy to distinguish the various groups. But regardless, when somebody openly says that he has not read the article up top and is there just to personally insult you, this is not free speech. It’s just douchebaggery.
Of course, that the various douchebags and assholes are not in favor of a crackdown on douchebaggery and assholery is hardly surprising.
It stands to reason that turkeys are not in favor of Thanksgiving either. However, it is not generally believed that the turkeys have any say in the matter.
In a general sense, I wouldn't call it "badmouthing." I'm black, and as I tell the "Malcolm-X's" in my inner circle, who have white girlfriends; "I don't give a shit how much Stokley Carmichael you can quote, show me three things and I will make a fair assesment on your feelings about black people:"
Look, I’m not much of a fan of Fred Reed, and especially not Derbyshire. However, I don’t think either of them should have to put up with swine here showing up and badmouthing their wives.
I’ve put up with some amazing shit under the articles I wrote. Under one of them, there was this douchebag who signs his drivel “Mr. Anon” who wrote at least 50 comments under the article, fully admitting that he had not read the article! </blockquote
LOL, well you have to understand, Mr. Anon, AKA "grasshopper"; he is one of the "special" ones around here.
My Friend, let's just be perfectly honest, a few, if not most, of the writers here are kikemason professional disinfo agents. If they truly believed what they wrote, the mystery would be how the generate enough brainpower to move their fingers on a keyboard.
I’m pretty sure are professional disrupters and disinfo agents.
The low-censorship policy
Well, this is a misunderstanding. (I hope it’s not deliberate.) I wasn’t talking about anything that could be described in a sane manner as “censorship”.
If it was firmly established that you were not allowed to insult another man’s wife here, especially from behind a cloak of anonymity, would you feel that this was a violation of your right to “free speech”.
If it is established (and I think it is) that I can’t walk around here in a public park with my dick hanging out, is that an attack on my “basic liberties”?
The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery. It does not and really, it cannot.
That's exactly what full commitment to free speech implies. You're just salty because people criticised your ridiculous articles and mocked your subsequent assholery. No one here should care about your "outrage" and "tolerance" thresholds. Just lock yourself in a local a trans-gender toilet and cry it out.
The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery.
Civil war will come soon enough.
No it won’t. That’s not to say a civil war will never happen, but it won’t be any time soon. Name one established militant group or militia and their leaders and give me an outline of their ideology. Now name one one established militant group or militia and their leaders that is opposed to the first group and give me an outline of their ideology.
You can’t name any potential belligerents because none exist at this point. When people are pissed off and motivated enough to stop bullshitting on the internet and hit the streets in their hundreds of thousands and present clearly articulated demands they wont back down from and are shot at by police or opposition instigators in a downward spiral of violence then you can start ruminating about civil war.
Snowflake college students who are so afraid of life they need “safe spaces” and a few lightweight antifa thug “warriors” versus preppy ethnic nationalist and conservative public speakers and a handful of their angrier supporters are gonna kick off a civil war? Right…and the causes they are prepared to kill and die for are, what, “diversity” and “inclusive spaces” versus the right to speak freely as per the 1st amendment?
Free speech is definitely a worthy cause but it takes a bit more to get thousands of people fired up enough to take up arms and form organized fighting groups. The snowflake antifa faction only “fight” if they know the cops are going to protect them and mommy is going to serve them ice tea after.
So yeah, no civil war coming up any time soon.
Poor Giuseppe, you seem to be a young man thoroughly brainwashed in new religion of Antiracism. This is really the new experiment that has only been going on for only about 53 years. It has utterly failed. This country was founded as a white nation in 1776.
Like much of what else has been written here, you write out of pure suppositions, not facts. I have not been accused of being a young man for many decades. I have been at some pains to show you that though at some points I generally could agree with the critique here of leftism and its view of race, there is third way of looking at race outside of the racist/antiracist dialectic that that is based on facts not fetishes, e.g. Fred’s article. I plead guilty to being brainwashed in what you could call a religion, because frankly my brain needed washing badly and continues to need it on an ongoing basis. The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is much older than a country founded in 1776 by white people and its roots are in the foundations of the earth. I regard my identity in Christ first, and I look for the eschaton, the consummation of all things when I will stand with the great multitude from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, before the throne. Furthermore, I’m not Italian. I’m also not Catholic.
I have to say I'm disappointed to hear that, since it means you probably won't be around to see the western world decompose into the negroidal crap heap that it must inevitably become if racial separation isn't effected.
I have not been accused of being a young man for many decades.
Yeah, I hate when their rhetoric is bomb blast. Those bomb blastic guys are hard to convince, you know?
LOL. Well, he does call himself "simple".
Yeah, I hate when their rhetoric is bomb blast. Those bomb blastic guys are hard to convince, you know?
“You and Ron Unz need to come up with a damn good explanation as to why Mexico is not a first world country. You both have failed miserably.”
Right on. I too will be waiting, in vain most probably, for such a very badly needed explanation. If this is not accomplished, then all their rhetoric is mostly bomb blast. In the Northern Hemisphere, the USA and Canada, why not Mexico?
Sure. White supremacist trolls are “too dumb” but the world is figuratively convulsing at the thought of disallowing everyone else to live in White society, while no one gives two shits about the right to live among anyone else.
I’d take you folks more seriously if you were as excised over whites living in non-white societies. Whites are all over the world, often in very privileged circumstances. On the other hand, Europe is one of the least diverse areas on earth. White nationalists often talk about Germany in terms of a so-called refugee invasion. Well I just returned from Germany and you’d have to work very hard to find a non-white person there. The same is true of the rest of Europe.
The truth is that the world prizes obtaining the genetics and the resultant society of those “too dumb” WNs. Which is why they are who they are
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Keep telling yourself that. I see no evidence of that in actuality. Evidence does indicate a desire among many whites (women in particular) to birth half-black children. They consider such mixed children more beautiful. I have personal experience of this.
Whites reflexively stop breeding with minority proximity. As the distance to minorities increases, so does breeding.
Yeah, that Russian minority is sure keeping those Ukrainians, Poles, Slovaks, White Russians, Armenians, Estonians, Lithuanians, and Letts from doing it:
Funny, isn’t it, how this ‘tard can launch a typical “hate whitey” spiel when he is so obviously white himself?
Not to mention gay.
That’s true of quite a pie wedge of the loony left. E.g., Ladd Everett.
The Civil War wasn’t fought in order to free the slaves. It was fought to stop traitorous white agribusiness from continuing to infest this country with blacks.
Then the “winning” side lost.
The reason for this is that you black men provide your people with the lowest quality of life on the planet.
On the other hand, sitting around under a shade tree drinking tea with your homeboys while your womenfolk do all the productive work would be seen as a very high standard of living by some. Some here, even.
Spare me the litany of past injustice. The greater truth is that for 400 years white men have been showing you how it’s done.
Change “400″ to “70″ and “white men” to “Jews”, and the “you” that follows could apply just as easily to Palestinian Arabs. But, boy, would you get a different reaction here!
Since it won’t let me post links, Mexico’s cartel violence caused the homicide rate to spike to over 25K and despite all the bookstores and intellectual activity, kidnapping for ransom continues to increase year over year. These two things among others doesn’t paint a portrait of a bucolic little Europe south of the border.
Another racially mixed paradise called Brazil has around 60K homicides. This is the USA’s future in just another 2-3 decades.
Fred’s definitely earned the Rachel Dolezal award for transracialism. He’s become a Mexican in mind and soul. He’s a white man no more.
His next column should be his acceptance speech for the award.
You blew up my troll key with that tirade.
Are you Corvinus’ Mom?
Shades of Grendel, whose mom was far worse than he.
Funny that the most accurate depiction of Anglo-Saxon sexual politics happens also to be the oldest one extant.
LOL. Pure undiluted nonsense.
Yet it’s whites that have been leeching off blacks for hundreds of years.
But, whites do everything better than blacks, to a very statistically significant T. Always have, still do.
White people do some things well and other things terribly.
ROFLMAO. Europe is decimated now, is it? African population explodes, Africa is unable to feed and house itself, but whites have decimated Europe? Oh, yeah, and everywhere else. What is noteworthy is that it worked, every time, better than any black alternative.Your group is statistically inferior, as a group. You, yourself, may not be, never mind the artificial compensating mechanisms you have been provided by whites. What have you got, personally? ... A 10% edge in a world where 20% of whites have a 10% edge on you?Be glad we let you live for a few more years, ay? All of our nasty, "exploitative, genocidal, ruinous, decimating force" still bubbles under the surface. Watch out, or we'll turn the Jews loose on you again.
Conversely, white people have been a deeply exploitative, genocidal and ruinous force that has decimated entire continents, including Europe itself.
But, whites do everything better than blacks, to a very statistically significant T. Always have, still do.
The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you. And they're pretty easy to unmask because they're too dumb to do it credibly.
Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.
The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you.
If he’s online, how do you know he’s white?
Your projection is total.
It is the WN wiggers who are left-wing, as they want intra-white socialism, and are pretty much useful idiots for feminism.
Low-talent people tend to prefer socialism. WN wiggers are the bottom 20% of white men in talent, looks, and brains.
High-talent people prefer small government, free-market societies. We don’t want WN wiggers mooching from successful whites like us.
> The Alt Right is nothing more than controlled opposition in my opinion. It comes off as disjointed, not very well organized and seems like it is packed with a bunch of whiny millenials that aren’t bright enough to go toe to toe with the left.
Its not well organized. Decentralized dissident movements have been standard since the Revolutionary War.
Those “whiny millenials who aren’t bright enough to go toe to toe with the left” took the nation from Obama to Trump in one election, with no MSM or other institutional support that the Left fully enjoys.
Your post represents dated and typical minority butthurt. In short, they are more relevant than either you or Antifa at the moment. And maybe more relevant than the MSM who just needed to invent a narrative out of whole cloth to justify a deep state investigation, at the cost of massive political capital, because they lost an election against the alt-Right.
The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you. And they're pretty easy to unmask because they're too dumb to do it credibly.
Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.
Sure. White supremacist trolls are “too dumb” but the world is figuratively convulsing at the thought of disallowing everyone else to live in White society, while no one gives two shits about the right to live among anyone else.
This makes total sense and doesn’t wreak of a need for rationalization and soothing self-talk whatsoever. Lets hurry up and make the right to lie with the dummies the world’s priority.
The truth is that the world prizes obtaining the genetics and the resultant society of those “too dumb” WNs. Which is why they are who they are.
I'd take you folks more seriously if you were as excised over whites living in non-white societies. Whites are all over the world, often in very privileged circumstances. On the other hand, Europe is one of the least diverse areas on earth. White nationalists often talk about Germany in terms of a so-called refugee invasion. Well I just returned from Germany and you'd have to work very hard to find a non-white person there. The same is true of the rest of Europe.
Sure. White supremacist trolls are “too dumb” but the world is figuratively convulsing at the thought of disallowing everyone else to live in White society, while no one gives two shits about the right to live among anyone else.
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The truth is that the world prizes obtaining the genetics and the resultant society of those “too dumb” WNs. Which is why they are who they are
Whites reflexively stop breeding with minority proximity. As the distance to minorities increases, so does breeding. Its likely a reflexive psycho-genetic behavior that stops excess DNA contribution to minority populations, which creates smarter enemies. There is only on solution to jump-starting White breeding.
Yeah, that Russian minority is sure keeping those Ukrainians, Poles, Slovaks, White Russians, Armenians, Estonians, Lithuanians, and Letts from doing it:
Whites reflexively stop breeding with minority proximity. As the distance to minorities increases, so does breeding.
The Left Wing ideology of White Nationalism??
Lemmee guess. You’re too “clever” to work a normal job an too old or stupid to work a status job. And thus are unemployed. Or you’re a minority. And probably a nationalist to boot.
Libertarians are the special education classroom of politics, when they aren’t mere concern trolls of the minority nationalist type. Which is what I suspect.
In any actual conflict you’d quickly be left in a ditch with a bullet behind you ear, not because you’re a threat but because you’re the loudest and most annoying of those who are too intellectually deficient to know that you’re wrong.
In a practical sense, you act as political saboteurs for the Left. Ayn Rand has the same basic social platform as any social justice warrior. Enjoy the freedom to be a complete faggot while it lasts, using the same psychological techniques of hyperbolic self-talk about who your enemies are to quell your rage. Your caricatures of the WN Right reflect those of the Left, which is telling. Even those on the alt-right aren’t as delusional about Jews as you are about who you think cross-class WNs are. Again, enjoy the freedom to take your dildos from your black lover faggot. It won’t last forever.
Better to be a “WN nigger” than a White who breeds with niggers or a German Jew who bred with Arabs however long ago.
I was somewhat centrist before. You cured me. Thank you.
Just skip to the end of the article for the summary.
There is no broad Jewish conspiracy against white people. Jews are fairly fractioned, except when under threat.
However, there are heavyweight Jewish contingents that are obviously anti-White and wreak very real havoc that can probably ultimately be measured in deaths (ie: anti-white employment policies lead to an x increase in white unemployment and thus a y increase in deaths). Direct deaths are also measurable when Whites are killed by social justice programming enabled hatred. Contingents who explicitly identify as Jewish have a very visible part in this.
The problem is that there is only a very small minority of Jewish individuals who condemn this Jewish anti-White behavior, and they are largely unheard. The vast majority of American Jews supports the ADL and its ilk without a second thought. Those that don’t aren’t nearly loud enough to counter its visible hatred.
If American Jews were to stand up to anti-white policies in a visible way, and hold to politically consistent immigration policies for Israel and the USA, then anti-semitism would be drastically decreased even in the alt-Right.
However, unfortunately, a failure to take these steps makes Jews stick out like a sore thumb due to a combination of action and inaction that paints a conspiratorial picture that is buoyed by historical claims against the Jews.
Really, people as nationalistic as the Jews should be completely in their own nation to avoid trouble for both themselves and others. Being less internally nationalistic is a requirement to avoid issues in a multicultural nation; even among one other major culture. Such separation would make life immeasurably easier for everyone. We have borders to separate nations because doing so allows everyone to live more peaceful and culturally fulfilling lives. The Jewish nation is uninhibited by borders.
The only white people I know that pretend to be black online are white supremacist trolls like you. And they're pretty easy to unmask because they're too dumb to do it credibly.
Ken, I doubt that this shill is black. He writes like a typical white SJW.
You know lots of white supremacist trolls? Well, they do say you know a man by the company he chooses …
Of course you are, since you cheerfully own embracing white racism yourself. Find a country of white people that isn't likely to allow immigration of the people you detest, transport yourself there, learn the language and call it home.
The way I see it, I’m far better off cooperating with the nordic racist in the hope that this will allow me to carve out a zone of racial homogeneity for myself, rather than supporting the lunacy of anti-racism.
Like the commenter who thought he had a gotcha photo of garbage in Chapala, in truth, all he had was a photo of a neighborhood collection point for residential garbage.
How was that a gotcha photo? It came from the news item I linked to above it, about erratic trash collection in Chapala.