exactly!
war – but then, sum up by blaming it on “The Joos.”
You forgot that we goyim are all motivated by jealousy, too!
Ya wanna hear something utterly depressing? I was talking to a young lady who’s been working on some degree in nursing and she said that they were required to take an “ethics” class. Guess what the big issue was? Yup, “The” Holycaust!!!!
Cheezus, the holycaust fanatics are everywhere. I mean everywhere and the layers of irony are piled on thick. You can bet your sore emerods that they weren’t discussing the “ethics” of making stuff like that up and brainwashing people with it 75 years after it was supposed to have occurred.
The holocaust conspiracy theorists just never give up. They are obsessed; nutzo! Good grief.
haAsk Hester Prynne.Puritans had a keen sense of psychological violence.
The New England Puritans frowned on violence as a way of resolving social conflicts.
Interesting that quote is what stood out to me as well. The Puritans could be some sadistic SOBs by what I understand of their history. Their treatment of their fellow “Christians” including Quakers was a bit creative and not exactly gentle.
Here’s someone commenting on their furious nuttiness.:
The Puritans are almost always portrayed as a peaceful and persecuted bunch, but they were a very revolutionary, seditious, and violent people.:
England was plunged into an environment of Puritan blood rage and unreasonable fundamentalism. In the words of Hume, “fanaticism had its own language, it was a new jargon invented by the fury and hypocrisy of the times.” The Puritans wanted “No king, no nobility,” and like every leftists or progressive, the Puritans wanted “universal equality.” To use the words of Hume, “it was, in short, necessary to fanaticize the people with notions of perfect equality, to assure the obedience of the masses, and gradually to form a coalition against the monarchy.”
http://shoebat.com/2014/11/03/puritans-just-violent-muslims/
Another source wrote this. (Sorry no link)
The Puritans wanted to be free to establish a “Christian” theocracy. (A perverted one complete with Indian extermination, communist principles, a police state…)
What does it mean to “serve honorably” in an unjust war of aggression? The only “honorable” action is to refuse orders.
I know, I know….You are incapable of seeing Vietnam as anything but an honorable endeavor from the charitable US govt. lol.
SHAME ON YOU…”lack of meaning”
YOU and your ilk are responsible for perpetuating the “Vietnam Veteran” stereotype in which YOU paint all of us with a very broad brush. For your information, almost ALL of us Vietnam veterans came back with sound minds to an ungrateful country and quietly resumed our lives without incident or fanfare. The promised government jobs that were mandated into law for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized. YOU are of the same ilk as traitor “Hanoi” Jane Fonda who gave “aid and comfort” to the enemy while our POWS were (and are) still in captivity. Very few returning Vietnam veterans had problems…the stereotype that YOU claim…is totally false.
I notice that you have swallowed the standard “loss of Vietnam” lies hook line and sinker. Americans and South Vietnamese prevailed in every battle…bar none. In fact, TET 1968 was a decisive victory for the South s the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces were decimated. Of course, the American “mainstream media” claimed it was a victory for the communists.
For your information, the American Vietnam war was not a “civil-war” but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese, who wanted control of the whole country. The INVASION was allowed to continue when American troops left and South Vietnamese troops were not resupplied.
YOU must have watched the Ken Burns’ “schlockumentary” on Vietnam, in which he built up the North Vietnamese while exacting harsh criticism (lies) on the American and South Vietnamese troops. Of course, to his credit, Burns “let it slip” that the “re-education camps” contrary to communist claims (actually prisons) would be in operation for approximately six months after the war was over–it turns out that many former South Vietnamese were “detained” for as long as twenty years.
Post-war Vietnam was so wonderful, tens of thousands of “boat people risked life and limb to escape that “communist paradise” [silence].
In other words "To take their stuff". Why else have a "puppet regime"?
The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
The purposes of America’s fake wars are not complex. Its the desire of adolescents to be war heroes, ie the American version of the medieval saint, plus a lot of cowboy excitement from shooting off lots of guns and missiles. Add in the vast amounts of money and prestige the military engenders in adolescent or pubescent American society, and you end up with a gigantic bureaucracy desperate with the need for war, and the ability to create as many wars as it wants via its ownership of the media and political system. What happens to the invaded and regime changed victim country is largely irrelevant, as by that time the American war machine, grossly obese like everything else in America, has moved on to its next theater of excitement and thrills.
I don’t know about you, but I worry more about the implications of China’s rise and Russian misbehavior than I do about Islamic terrorism.
”China has thoroughly studied the Western technique of getting out of crises via controllable armed conflicts and wars. It has written its own script for squeezing the United States off the world stage. The Western script becomes an episode in a larger game.”
Contents of the script:
- while remaining inactive and all but invisible, China retains and replenishes its resources;
- China supports actions of the West aimed at mutually assured destruction of Russia and the Muslim world;
- China supports bilateral conflicts in line with the Western script;
- China becomes ideologically active and active in the military sense when the moment is ripe;
- when the conflicts are over, China moves into the new territories…
The global conclusion is simple. This is the first time strategic interests of the West, Russia, Israel, and the Muslim world coincide. We can only survive together.
The Poles are no more "totalitarian" and "repressive" than the Russians. They have an open society with free elections. They are nationalists fully aware of their history with Moscow. Painting the Poles as crypto-fascists is insulting and condescending. Floating that kind of bile only aggravates the relationship between the two countries/cultures.
Frankly, the development of the Polish political system towards a totalitarian repressive regime doesn’t surprise me in the least.
Painting the Poles as crypto-fascists is insulting and condescending.
Don’t say.
Being brothers in Christ in what is largely a Post-Christian Europe should transcend political boundaries.
Whoah…..
Orthodox and Catholic, together, in Eastern Europe.
Stunned.
April showers bring May flowers.
If April showers bring May flowers, what do May flowers bring?
I am an unashamed advocate of the draft to ameliorate the primary dynamic in question.
The best way to “ameliorate the primary dynamic in question” is to mandate that the arrogant DC nitwits read the foreign policy sections of George Washington’s Farewell Address first thing every day. Have C-SPAN televise the reading every day that Congress is in session.
Then maybe those militarist clowns will eventually put 2 and 2 together without the need to draft American citizens into militarized slavery.
...the volunteers become mercenaries for Israel.
What Happens When a Few Volunteer and the Rest Just Watch?
If Jews direct our military forces for their nefarious ends these Jews must be incompetent halfwits. How did making Iraq an Iranian client benefit Israel? Did the Libyan failure benefit Israel? Is the Syrian/Russian/Iranian state a boon to Israel? Maybe Israel should try something else.
Well, colonel, in case of Thucydides, I'd go with “Their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound pre-vision; for it is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not fancy” pointing to human nature hasn't changed one bit, bringing up the more apropos:
"Thucydides’s famed .. “The strong do what they will, while the weak suffer what they must.”"
Just come out and say "Criminal." Or, look at whose books THE PENTAGON is auditing:
Meanwhile, under the terms of our military system, attention to how this money actually gets spent by our yet-to-be-audited Pentagon tends to be — to put the matter politely — spotty
Colonel, we haven't had a constitution & rule of law since the National Security Act of 1947. What we have is called "color of law." You might wish to study up on that:
The legal profession exists to implement the rule of law. We hope that the result is some approximation of justice
That's just oymoronish stupid (typo?) because it's our military and intelligence agencies combined behavior, inclusive of radicalizing Islam and setting it loose in Western China and Russia's Caucus, is no small reason for those rising giants looking at us like we're rabid dogs. BTW if you're really worried about the grid going down, well, you might have a look at EMP:
I don’t know about you, but I worry more about the implications of China’s rise and Russian misbehavior than I do about Islamic terrorism. And I worry more about changing weather patterns here in New England or somebody shutting down the electrical grid in my home town than I do about what Beijing and Moscow may be cooking up
The colonel is just flat out wrong; and I don't give a rat's a** if I was a mere sergeant and Bacevich was a colonel, because I went on to work in the trenches investigating corruption and the colonel went to the la-la-land of the ivory tower. Here's the real score:
"The generals who followed one another in presiding over that war are undoubtedly estimable, well-intentioned men..."
Colonel Bacevich is only playing the devil’s advocate, and, in a diplomatic manner, showing the contradictions between the “official” military agenda and the reality of today’s world.
If the US was ruled with the interests of its people and servicemen in mind, it would not be engaged in endless and unwinnable wars. But the NeoCons imperial elite don’t care, as they don’t have skin in the game, unlike the military (Colonel Bacevich lost his only son in Iraq).
The fate of an Empire is demise, because it is ruled by the few, who don’t care about reality, until this reality engulfs them.
Patriots try to stop such demise by the modest , realistic means available to them: enlightening people.
mea culpa sir
mea culpa
Nukes aren’t defensive weapons and couldn’t be used to stop an invasion. Israel could be invaded and taken down much more quickly than any of its neighbors. Only having a defender like the US has allowed Israel to survive this long.
I would encourage you not to despise the good will of citizens, even when it is irritating. I appreciate your service. I honor your sacrifice in Vietnam and millions of S. Vietnamese respect what you and your fellows did on their behalf. We generally assume that you served honorably, if not that is a matter for you to rest with your conscience.
I want to encourage you to embrace whatever blessings citizens can and are willing to bestow — even if in the main said bequeathed is obtuse and annoying. No one wants to insult vets, well few anymore and no one can immediately heal the wounds of an ungrateful and vastly misinformed citizenry on the issue of Vietnam. But I like to encourage you to let them try and embrace it the same —–
excuse or not my well intentioned comments. I tell me father repeatedly, “Appreciate your service” he too served in Vietnam and elsewhere.
so great a sacrifice none can repay . . .
Frankly, the development of the Polish political system towards a totalitarian repressive regime doesn’t surprise me in the least.
The Poles are no more “totalitarian” and “repressive” than the Russians. They have an open society with free elections. They are nationalists fully aware of their history with Moscow. Painting the Poles as crypto-fascists is insulting and condescending. Floating that kind of bile only aggravates the relationship between the two countries/cultures.
I’m not saying that the Poles’ interpretation of current Russian foreign policy is accurate. But it’s up to the Poles and Russians to collectively work that out over time.
The MASSIVE impediment to a productive and peaceful rapprochement between Poland and Russia is the Global Cop Gorilla in Washington that loves to stir the pot of conflict for its own ego’s sake.
P.S. I’m thinking the catalyst for improved relations between Poland and Russia would be visible exchanges between the Polish Catholic Primate and the Russian Orthodox Patriarch. Being brothers in Christ in what is largely a Post-Christian Europe should transcend political boundaries.
Don't say.
Painting the Poles as crypto-fascists is insulting and condescending.
Whoah.....
Being brothers in Christ in what is largely a Post-Christian Europe should transcend political boundaries.
Laughing . . . I get it.
You and the author simplify a bit; here is some context; you can find more context if you care.
No.
“War is the continuation of politics by other means.”
I've noticed you absent from Revusky's last thread; probably a wise decision on your part. But your input would be interesting if you have any (no need to read the piece in its entirety or more than the first few comments).
As, then, there may be life without pain, while there cannot be pain without some kind of life, so there may be peace without war, but there cannot be war without some kind of peace, because war supposes the existence of some natures to wage it, and these natures cannot exist without peace of one kind or other.
Nice.
Agree, of course.
Didn’t want to go that path on this site. Tried a couple of times and, let’s say that the level of misunderstanding was staggering.
Getting phylosophical, or even deep into human very makeup, well, this isn’t the place.
…because war supposes the existence of some natures to wage it, and these natures cannot exist without peace of one kind or other.
I’ll say just one thing.
I had my own war. Apparently, it was really a very bad one, by everybody’s account.
I just know one thing: I never felt so alive then and there. Nothing compares. Nothing……
All elements of life itself were on the level I’ve never felt after that. The scent of air, intensity of sounds, taste of food and drinks, sleep, rest, comradeship, well…everything was 100 %. Nothing in civilian life compares. Nothing. Well, one thing only, actually.Won’t say what.
Crazy a?
Or….hehe…..poor civilians, “chattering class” in particular.
If we want to get analytical now, the same applies to groups. A couple of mates, together, in war. A small community…larger community…..etc….etc.
Anyway.
I’ve noticed you absent from Revusky’s last thread; probably a wise decision on your part. But your input would be interesting if you have any (no need to read the piece in its entirety or more than the first few comments).
Read some of the article, skimmed through some parts. Read some comments; got surprised by, say, “internal workings” of this site. Too much personal bullshit and politics if you ask me.
As for the topic itself, well, got that video about Pentagon plane, so here I am:
Before reading some stuff on this site (thank you guys, a couple only, of course) I thought one thing.
Now I am inclined to think otherwise.
Two things:
I buy, 70/30 that the buildings, all of three of them, did collapse due to a peculiar combination of how they were built with how and with what they were hit, plus the rest. So, no demolitions.
Second, Pentagon plane. That video, well….so, again, I believe that a plane (the plane) hit Pentagon.
Now, did the government know that hijacking was going to happen, I am sure some parts of the intelligence community/security apparatus did. Was it intentionally not prevented, don’t think so. I go with incompetence and organizational culture there.
That the event was manipulated and used for the Deep State goals, of course.
I am sure that as soon some of them knew what was happening they started calculating and acting.
Having said all this, I really don’t want to get into debate about that. I mean…done around zillion times already.
One more thing.
Mentioned my little war. So, can’t get emotionally involved into 9/11. What Americans see as a terrible thing re loss of life, limb and property, guys like me see “and…..?”.
I am widely known as Russia hater here. So.. this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege
is, in my book, worse than 9/11.
Much worse.
And, to add insult to the injury, only this
2004
In September 2004, following bombing attacks on two aircraft and the downtown Moscow Metro, Chechen terrorists seized over 1,000 hostages at a school in Beslan, North Ossetia.
is on the Wikipedia site re “Terrorism in Russia”. Not even a fucking link.
It’s all about lies & propaganda for profit & power.
yes, because the only thing the cow-like goyim brain understands is raw power, and for the Jews to accomplish this, they have to use treachery and lies.
that’s why you must be made to feel guilty, so when the Senator who’s asked by Tucker Carlson, ‘why must we go to war in Syria’, and he answers ‘if you care about Israel…’
now if you didn’t kneejerk feel guilty about all the Jews you goyim gassed and your ovens, then would you feel the proper levels of guilt for what you did to them?!
No. You’d say ‘fuck Israel, what do I care?’
and so this is why they had to lie about it all, because of anti-Semites like you, who otherwise wouldn’t be willing to engage in endless wars for Israel! And wouldn’t give them endless billions and build endless Holocaust museums, to guilt-trip the next generations. How dumb do you have to be?!
It’s not rocket science man!
If you’d have simply allowed the world to destroy Germany, and then set about building Israel on her ashes, and then sent Israel all those billions it demanded and waged endless wars on her behalf, then they wouldn’t have even needed to go to all of that trouble to create the Holocaust narrative to enslave your minds and soul$.
Duh!
You are right. However, they probably would prefer to have an overland connection also that is not threatened by the U.S.
Some people don't equate the regime in Kremlin with Russia.
This means that Russia is fighting a defensive war and the West the war of aggression, which by definition makes Russia right and the West wrong.
Nobody was attacking Russia last time (5 minutes ago) I checked.
For the Russians “the turf”, as you put it, is our own country and we do defend it.
Some of us do. We also aren't bad in history either. Like remembering USSR expansion into Europe.We simply don't like to see another.
That we do not know.
The “regime” — and a theocratic one — is in your beloved apartheid Jewish State. (“Israel does not have a written constitution,” “the Israeli government gives special preference to Judaism,” “Although Israel does not grant special privileges to any special Jewish group, many European Jews belong to higher social classes than Arabs and “Oriental” Jews”).
And who are these “we” in your mysterious “We made our positions clear” – the US ziocons?
The ziocons had attacked Russian interests in Ukraine (which borders with Russia) and arranged the NATO military bae there. The coup d’etat was to the detriments of the majority of Ukrainian people, including Ukrainian Jews that have been enjoying the triumph of banderism in Kiev and beyond since then. Nothing pleasures the Kagans’ clan more than a profitable cooperation with the followers of Bandera. “Lionized as a nationalist hero in Ukraine, Stepan Bandera was a Nazi sympathizer who left behind a horrific legacy,” https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/stepan-bandera-nationalist-euromaidan-right-sector/
The ziocons have been arming and providing with the logistics the “moderate” terrorists in the Middle East, where Russia has been defending her interests by the legitimate means, on the legitimate invitation from the legitimate Syrian government — unlike the ziocon coalition of the US/NATO + Israel + the oh-so-democratic Saudis + the CIA-trained head-choppers and liver eaters.
Russia is just another unfortunate country where the militant Jews wanted to get the upper hand for the expense of the natives. What your tribe has been commemorating for centuries during Purim? — A mass slaughter of the native population provoked by the obnoxious Jewish guests. And this is what gives joy to your tribe: “Happy is the one who seizes your [Persian, Russian, German...] infants and dashes them against the rocks.” Psalm 137:9
when I read post 83, where he said " I detest the right-wing virtual signaling of people saying to me and others: “Thank you for your service.”
except for the vultures who got rich with the war
you really should have put a warning atop that photo.
Isruel would not exist without the USA and the fact that they have 100 nukes, the Samson option.
In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel –
Israel can exist without the USA. Nukes are a pretty good life insurance. How it would fare without US taxpayers’ money is another matter. You should bear in mind though that Jews rule the banks, the media, the entertainment, the justice, and the education in the whole Western world, not only in the US.
exactly!
war – but then, sum up by blaming it on “The Joos.”
You laughably stated:
“The Jews suffered the world to walk into those “showers” in the last century. You’ll please forgive them if they prefer to say Never Again’ this time around.”
Problem is that Jews were not ‘holocausted’ as they allege. There was no ‘millions of Jews murdered’, there were no ‘gas chambers’. Absurdly impossible. Proof is utterly lacking.
It’s all about lies & propaganda for profit & power.
The facts are that the ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth?
Only lies require censorship.
The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
No name calling, level playing field debate here:
Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
yes, because the only thing the cow-like goyim brain understands is raw power, and for the Jews to accomplish this, they have to use treachery and lies.
It’s all about lies & propaganda for profit & power.
If they take out Russia, Russia will take out Israel so Israel will be a dead king. The Zionists should better reign in the neocons if they want there to be an Israel.
What about the most common example of war for the purpose of plunder and material gain? The morality of "wrong" doesn't enter into it and ultimate peace may or may not be a goal.
Any war failing to yield peace is purposeless and, if purposeless, both wrong and stupid.
I like this "we" part. That evil witch certainly never risked herself but sent other people's children into the cauldron. There's no "we" in all this. The upper echelon sacrifices the small fry and their lives mean nothing to them.
Madeleine Albright said it best: “If we have to use force, it is because we are America
They're not defending the country, that's mind-boggling propaganda. There's so much delusion here that one could go through this article line-by-line and dissect it. I'm off this "support our troops" wagon. It's just a fiction; you sign up, you know the risks.
Having outsourced responsibility for defending the country
They’re not defending the country, that’s mind-boggling propaganda.
Indeed. The last Americans to die defending their country were the Confederate soldiers who died defending theirs. All others died for the US empire, including Union forces who died while making the South it’s first victim.
Global domination for neocons is not an end in itself, it is a means to an end... and that end is the enhancement of the security of the Jewish state.
For neocons,... it’s global domination, for Zionists, it’s Greater Israel...
Surely, you jest. The neocons like Robert Kaganovitch and his wife Victoria Nudelman, Willian Kristol, David Frum, etc, are obsessed with Russia as Russia is the sponsor of both Iran and Syria, which supply Hezbollah the means by which to keep Israel out of Lebanon.
... but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn’t help at all achieve the Zionists’ goals.
While the former is true, the latter isn’t.
In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel
On this, we both can agree.
The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.
If the US and its suppletives take on Russia, Israel becomes fair game. So to take out Russia, neocons would have to sacrify Israel. That’s where the Khazars diverge from mainstream Zionism. What’s the use of being God’s “chosen people” if you don’t rule the world but then what’s the use of ruling the world if there is no Israel?
Zionist support of neocon agenda may well terminate their beloved creature’s existence in the ME so they should think twice before pushing their US vassal to attack Russia.
I would like every one of the the war criminals, from top to bottom, hanged.
The failure to rebuild functioning nation states and the "need" for continuous occupation are not bugs but features. The ongoing occupation of Afghanistan has nothing to do with "fighting terror" or "spreading democracy and freedom" - it is to encircle Iran and preventing it from linking up with China. Afghanistan cannot be allowed to make its own decisions in this matter, so it must endure the occupation.
The problem is not with the US military. It is with the post-military strategy, for which the military is ill-equipped to handle. It’s not the military that is deciding to stay forever.
“it is to encircle Iran and preventing it from linking up with China.”
Yet Iran is linking up with China, big time.
https://thediplomat.com/2016/11/iran-china-sign-military-cooperation-agreement/
To be "catastrophic" means that Russia gets false-flagged, not Syria or Iran. It could happen. The Zionists want "regime change" with the destruction of Syria and Iran, and they're not going to get it while the Russians remain in the area .False-flags need time, preparation and co-ordination, and a clue might be the current intense anti-Russian propaganda. Modern day Zionist false-flags always seem to start with a preparatory media barrage against the target, and there's no doubt that Russia is getting the treatment.They could sink a US Navy ship to get their war, but what would the subsequent US assault look like? and with what kind of Russian response? It's given that the US can't fight a ground war in Syria and Iran, and it's navy and air force are too exposed to modern weapons, so as Saker suggests it could quickly develop into a Middle East nuclear war.This would give Israel/US/Saudi Arabia their victory, with the bet that Russia would pull back from a full inter-continental nuclear engagement given that only Syrian and Iranian targets are hit with nuclear weapons.However, if the fated bullet happened to be in that fated chamber, the Russians would decide to get it over with, and flatten Israel, New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, the Pentagon, Langley etc. with a few thousand warheads to spare.
Perhaps the next “click” will be some kind of catastrophic false-flag attack?
It’s given that the US can’t fight a ground war in Syria and Iran, and it’s navy and air force are too exposed to modern weapons….
Wishful thinking.
US can fight those ground wars and the other side is more exposed to modern weapons.
Much more.
Indeed, it would cure the primary dynamic in question practically over-night.
except for the vultures who got rich with the war
when I read post 83, where he said ” I detest the right-wing virtual signaling of people saying to me and others: “Thank you for your service.”
I was tempted to suggest that some of them, may have wondered if he hadn’t ‘fragged’ an ambitious lieutenant or two, and wanted to thank him for the effort.
If a war is immoral, illegal, unconstitutional, ‘based on lies, conducted against civilians for the fun and profit of evil men and women, (as all of our recent wars have clearly been)
then there’s few things in this world that would bolster my disposition more than news that one or two particularly vile war pigs might catch a bit of their own medicine.
To Ptrick Lang:
“The neocons believe so strongly that America must lead the world and mankind forward that they accept the idea that the achievement of human progress justifies any means needed to advance that goal.”
This statement has thrown me for a loop. It raises a few questions, like:
What are the neocons?
Aren`t the neocons Zionists?
What are the Zionists?
The neocons/Zionists are for “the achievement of human progress”, now?
What is “human progress”?
If neocons are Zionists, how does “America must lead the world and mankind forward” play into this, shouldn`t it state Israel, instead?
Why is “America must lead the world and mankind forward” seemingly equated with “the achievement of human progress”?
Why wasn`t it explained that “the end justifies the means” is a fallacious concept, since, if used, “the means” BECOME “the end” (humans, after all, are creatures of habit, in other words, addicts)?
Thank you.
what bollocks.
The purpose of all wars is conquest..
That a few “volunteer” is hopefully a sign of decreasing stupidity.
What sane person would fight, kill or die for the political filth?
Bullshit. The cost of most of our recent wars is orders of magnitude more than could ever be taken from these countries. That’s why the ‘war for oil’ slogan of the left is so stupid. We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil. The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
A conservative Scottish pastor at a Baptist Church I visited, credibly summed up the purpose of war, more accurately than Augustine:“The purpose of war is to take what belongs to someone else.”
We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil.
No, the trillions weren’t spent (as in wasted) they were simply diverted from the public to the private sector.
Fact: Zio-Washington is on a prolonged, blood-soaked, trillion-dollar killing spree.
multi-trillion dollar killing spree
What about Israel’s de facto ownership of the US Congress, Andrew?
Any thoughts about ‘patterns’ of ownership of American mass media, Mr. Bacevich?
Bacevich is a rank whore
an unctuous, gaping gash, undulating in yawning anticipation for copious and well-earned wampum.
I had the chance to speak with many american veterans of the Vietnam war in the 70`s . There was the draft ot the time .
Many of them came back very sick , abuse of alcohol , drugs , postraumatic stress disorder , they committed genocides against civilians , they felt guilty , they ” fragged ” , they were demoralized , they felt their country had betrayed them …
Many of them told me that the worse was that after a time in Vietnam they did nor see the meaning of the war , some of them told me : well if those f…. gooks want to be communists , let them be communists , I do not understand them , who am I or my country to tell them what to do , after all if communism is a shitty system let them eat shit , and at the end if it is a good system we will copy them , but what the hell are we doing there ….
The war of Vietnam was a big defeat fot the USA in the peak of its power at the hands ot a little
backwarded country , a military defeat , a moral defeat , a human defeat , an economical defeat ( except for the vultures who got rich with the war )
If Bacevich ( nice Russian name tovarich , privet ) defends the draft , or the arab wars , he has not learned anything fron the Vietnam war , and I am affraid from none of the arab wars , habibi .
when I read post 83, where he said " I detest the right-wing virtual signaling of people saying to me and others: “Thank you for your service.”
except for the vultures who got rich with the war
war – but then, sum up by blaming it on “The Joos.”
exactly!
if anything, the “Joos” are trying to stop all these wars!
who came out strongest against the wars on Iraq, and then Libya and then Syria, if not the ((NYT))?!
who has condemned the recent bombing of Syria, (over obvious lies about chemical attacks) if not Sheldon Adelson and bb Netanyahu!
I mean come on, right?
AIPAC has little to no influence in DC, but still that plucky little voice has been adamant that all of these wars are illegal, misguided and wrong.
The Kagan ‘cabal’ (as some anti-Semites refer to them) have been demanding investigations into the contrived putsch (Yatz is our guy’) in Ukraine, and all the lies about MH17!
The entire Jewish media, from CNN to all the rest have been exposing the lies about these wars like no other! Look how they railed at Clinton for her role in Libya!
But these tiresome anti-Semites will always look for an excuse for their own failures and failings, and it’s not like we haven’t seen this kind of scapegoat blaming before! When you’re having difficulties, there’s the temptation to always find some group to blame and spread blood libels, just as a certain mustached demagogue from history showed us all how it’s done.
It reminds me of those terrorists in Israel that never lose an opportunity to try to blame “The Joos” for all of their problems, so they attack Israel (on Passover!), and threaten to push her into the sea, demanding Hitlerian calls for genocide, like “The right of Return”!
They may as well be building gas chambers and ovens with talk like that, and what does the world do?!
they act all crybaby because a few terrorists got shot. Well what does these modern day Adolf Hitlers think the Jews are going to do when they demand The Right of Return / genocide?
The Jews suffered the world to walk into those “showers” in the last century. You’ll please forgive them if they prefer to say Never Again’ this time around.
From Palestinian terrorists, to neo-white supremacists like Ron Paul and PCR, pooh-poohing these wars, there’s always someone looking for a group to blame for their own mediocrity and incompetence.
Actor Gerard Depardieu, singer Charles Aznavour and former President Nicolas Sarkozy are among some 300 well-known French people urging national action to counter a “new anti-Semitism” that they blame on rising Islamic radicalism.
They signed a manifesto published Sunday in Le Parisien newspaper, joining politicians from the right and left, as well as Jewish, Muslim and Catholic leaders.
The statement urges prominent Muslims to denounce anti-Jewish and anti-Christian references in the Quran as outdated so “no believer can refer to a holy text to commit a crime.” It also calls for combating anti-Semitism “before it’s too late.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-bc-eu–france-anti-semitism-20180422-story.html
Audacity of these bastards!! Made possible by the Jews’s support to the anti Islam brouhaha and by the Jew creation of Islamophobia.
“It matters not what the Palestinians do. They could be led by Gandhi and Mother Teresa but whatever they do, given their opposition to the Zionist enterprise, they are going to be marginalized and demonized.”
Israel’s George Washington David Ben Gurion – “It doesn’t matter what the goy (non Jews) think – it only matter what the Jews do.”
Ben Gurion already knew that they already effectively controlled the world via their effective control of England, United States, France and via the Rothchild’s and other Jew’s banking empire and their control of the mass media. They have been doing what they or anyone should ever try to do i.e, become masters of the world in order to be mankind’s blessing and light etc. for a long time. Strabo a Greek cartographer said he “found them in high places everywhere” in every country he traveled through. Cicero in 50 BC feared their power in Rome. Voltaire wrote that he wouldn’t be surprised ‘if these people will one day become deadly to the human race.” Ben Franklin and George Washington thought they were dangerous to the Republic. And here they are being revered venerated celebrated adored bootlicked brown nosed kowtow fawned funded and protected and groveled before – and justifiably feared because they never forget and never forgive – by not only the entire United States but also by the entire Christian West and all of it’s international allies.
Great post, just what I think.
I saw this in the brochure:
Refuge for the Jews..
Guard the flank of the Suez for the British..
Western capitalist power against the Arab Soviet back Socialists for the cold warriors..
Democracy in the Middle East for Americans..
Jesus is coming soon for the Evangelicals ..
Access to oil for the Investment bankers ..
Something in it for everyone, yay.
As a Vietnam War vet, I detest the right-wing virtual signaling of people saying to me and others: “Thank you for your service.”
How do they know what kind of service I rendered? Was it honorable or dishonorable? Did I perform my duties or just drink booze and chase the native women? Most of us serving did a little bit of all of the foregoing.
But methinks the Col. doesn’t understand Trump and his followers. The worldwide transition of values and forces will hasten immanent events that will rock the post-war foundations is ongoing, but not elevated up to the public consciousness yet. Stay tuned. April showers bring May flowers.
If April showers bring May flowers, what do May flowers bring?
April showers bring May flowers.
Perhaps the next “click” will be some kind of catastrophic false-flag attack?
To be “catastrophic” means that Russia gets false-flagged, not Syria or Iran. It could happen. The Zionists want “regime change” with the destruction of Syria and Iran, and they’re not going to get it while the Russians remain in the area .
False-flags need time, preparation and co-ordination, and a clue might be the current intense anti-Russian propaganda. Modern day Zionist false-flags always seem to start with a preparatory media barrage against the target, and there’s no doubt that Russia is getting the treatment.
They could sink a US Navy ship to get their war, but what would the subsequent US assault look like? and with what kind of Russian response? It’s given that the US can’t fight a ground war in Syria and Iran, and it’s navy and air force are too exposed to modern weapons, so as Saker suggests it could quickly develop into a Middle East nuclear war.
This would give Israel/US/Saudi Arabia their victory, with the bet that Russia would pull back from a full inter-continental nuclear engagement given that only Syrian and Iranian targets are hit with nuclear weapons.
However, if the fated bullet happened to be in that fated chamber, the Russians would decide to get it over with, and flatten Israel, New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, the Pentagon, Langley etc. with a few thousand warheads to spare.
Wishful thinking.
It’s given that the US can’t fight a ground war in Syria and Iran, and it’s navy and air force are too exposed to modern weapons....
Bullshit. The cost of most of our recent wars is orders of magnitude more than could ever be taken from these countries. That’s why the ‘war for oil’ slogan of the left is so stupid. We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil. The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
A conservative Scottish pastor at a Baptist Church I visited, credibly summed up the purpose of war, more accurately than Augustine:“The purpose of war is to take what belongs to someone else.”
The biological purpose of war is to kill off ignorant, violent people and those who value themselves so little that they willing to risk their lives follow orders from literally anyone with a dollar in their pocket.
I go to baseball games regularly at the local university, and whenever a member of the U.S. military is identified as being in the audience he stands on the home dugout and receives a rousing two-minute standing ovation from virtually ever one of the roughly 3,500 souls assembled. It is beyond bizarre, especially for someone who was on campus during Vietnam. And quite scary.
My dad, who is a WWII veteran in his 90’s, saw heavy combat and received a Purple Heart and still has shrapnel in him from a Japanese grenade. He hates to be thanked for his service and never stands in church on Veterans Day weekend when they ask for veterans to stand. He thinks this glorification of people who “served” is total ludicrous and they should not get any benefits or preference for it. He said no one ever mentioned being in the war, and especially not simply being in the military, when he was younger.
Some people don't equate the regime in Kremlin with Russia.
This means that Russia is fighting a defensive war and the West the war of aggression, which by definition makes Russia right and the West wrong.
Nobody was attacking Russia last time (5 minutes ago) I checked.
For the Russians “the turf”, as you put it, is our own country and we do defend it.
Some of us do. We also aren't bad in history either. Like remembering USSR expansion into Europe.We simply don't like to see another.
That we do not know.
Some people don’t equate the regime in Kremlin with Russia.
This is not any “regime”; this is a government of Russia supported by more than 70% of the people. And if anybody is entitled to “remove” people in Kremlin, that would be citizens of Russia at the time and in the manner they see fit, and no one else. Whoever those “some people” are and what they think is of no consequence.
Nobody was attacking Russia last time (5 minutes ago) I checked.
Russia is under attack, albeit not yet with missiles. In case you missed that, economic sanctions is a form of warfare. The only reason missiles aren’t flying is that Russia can and will fight back, and you know it. And you aren’t good at fighting with an able adversary.
Some of us do. We also aren’t bad in history either.
You claim to be a psychic able to see the future? I sincerely doubt it. And you are pathetic in history, if you mean the real one, not the history you invented to suit your delusion of grandeur. USSR “expansion into Europe”, indeed! You conveniently forget that it followed a very bloody “expansion” of Europe into the USSR, my friend.
We made our positions clear.
Your position has always been abundantly clear. Pity it just doesn’t matter that much any more.
No.
The purpose of all wars, is peace.
Shallow and superficial.
War is evil. Large-scale, state-sanctioned violence is justified only when all other means of achieving genuinely essential objectives have been exhausted or are otherwise unavailable. A nation should go to war only when it has to — and even then, ending the conflict as expeditiously as possible should be an imperative.
No.
“War is the continuation of politics by other means.”
You and the author simplify a bit; here is some context; you can find more context if you care.
As, then, there may be life without pain, while there cannot be pain without some kind of life, so there may be peace without war, but there cannot be war without some kind of peace, because war supposes the existence of some natures to wage it, and these natures cannot exist without peace of one kind or other.
I’ve noticed you absent from Revusky’s last thread; probably a wise decision on your part. But your input would be interesting if you have any (no need to read the piece in its entirety or more than the first few comments).
I'll say just one thing.
...because war supposes the existence of some natures to wage it, and these natures cannot exist without peace of one kind or other.
Read some of the article, skimmed through some parts. Read some comments; got surprised by, say, "internal workings" of this site. Too much personal bullshit and politics if you ask me.
I’ve noticed you absent from Revusky’s last thread; probably a wise decision on your part. But your input would be interesting if you have any (no need to read the piece in its entirety or more than the first few comments).
is on the Wikipedia site re "Terrorism in Russia". Not even a fucking link.
2004In September 2004, following bombing attacks on two aircraft and the downtown Moscow Metro, Chechen terrorists seized over 1,000 hostages at a school in Beslan, North Ossetia.
Whew! Thanks for the link. I’d like to claim the title of “more zany commenter” for coining the phrase ‘corpses in his closet’ … but that honor goes to bjondo. ["In addition to corpses in his closet, wonder how much looted Russian loot in his off-shore account(s)?"]
Trouble is, bjondo and I were referring to Jeffrey Sachs. Pat Lang must believe every comment under his article is about him. Sad. One can only hope he reads his “top secret” “classified” information more carefully.
Meanwhile, he chose not to respond to my genuine concern. Why is he entitled (if he did) to castigate Larry Wilkerson…[pot calling kettle].? Why should Lang be forgiven, Wilkerson not? And BTW, Lang seems to have no remorse, so why forgive him at all?
As for the rest of his “Commenter Delusions” you’re quite right, Heros. Seems the man won’t tolerate to hear any other view than precisely his own.
It is an excellent article, but please, don’t sully it with The Saker.
Lang hightailed it out of the Unz comment section back to the safety of his own blog where he promptly bans and/or abuses anyone who he disagrees with.
Not before making an ass of himself in this comment section.
His loss. That’s why unz.com is growing and the colonel’s blog is a tiny circle-jerk, like a thousand other circle-jerks on the WWW. The supply-demand ratio is not in his favour. Ah, well…
So. The fact that the USA fails to meet the standards applied to Haiti and every other country means… What, that the USA deserves special eeeasy American self-esteeeem standards? “Here’s your gold sticker, Jimmy, everybody’s a winner in the the Special Yooman Rights Olympics!!” Face it, your police state stuffed your helpless masses down a shithole.
Globalism…? Get it straight, globalism is different than the old-school Eastern seaboard internationalism you just encountered, which upsets you so.
What exactly is your hardon for the OHCHR? They put your government on the spot in a way that your media doesn’t dare do, that your legislature doesn’t dare do, that your civil society doesn’t dare do. They’ve got more balls than your entire subject population. You obviously need their help, since you can’t escape your patriotic icecreamhole.
It’s a package deal. If they take out Russia, global domination is virtually assured and Israel will get the World’s crown sooner or later. At the heart of it there’s a messianic lunacy and that’s why we’re facing WW3 at, say, 90% probability.
Nice try. Neocons, like most liberal Jews, were originally leftists who crossed over the political divide because they realized, especially after witnessing The Left's resistance to the Vietnam War, progressivism would lead to a non-interventionist US foreign policy, spelling disaster for the Jewish state. In other words, Israel is the neocons raison d'être... without it, they would rejoin most of their brethren who reside on the left of the political spectrum. If you require proof of this, just look at how the neocons easily switched over to the Democrats and HC during the 2016 presidential campaign, when Trump promised to end the regime-change wars. That's because the only thing conservative about the neoconservatives is their support for a more hawkish foreign policy, for the benefit of the Jewish state.
I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.
Very good post.
Thanks for the information. I was wondering what happened to Dr. Pisorski after he was arrested more than a years ago, I think, on ridiculous charges of spying for Russia, and I believe China (!) was also mentioned. As ridiculous as it gets.
Frankly, the development of the Polish political system towards a totalitarian repressive regime doesn’t surprise me in the least. A rabidly nationalistic stance with extreme hostility towards any deviation from the official viewpoint in the interpretation of the historic or political events was to lead to repressions – this was inevitable.
The Poles are no more "totalitarian" and "repressive" than the Russians. They have an open society with free elections. They are nationalists fully aware of their history with Moscow. Painting the Poles as crypto-fascists is insulting and condescending. Floating that kind of bile only aggravates the relationship between the two countries/cultures.
Frankly, the development of the Polish political system towards a totalitarian repressive regime doesn’t surprise me in the least.
The purpose of all wars, is peace.
No.
“War is the continuation of politics by other means.”
War is evil. Large-scale, state-sanctioned violence is justified only when all other means of achieving genuinely essential objectives have been exhausted or are otherwise unavailable. A nation should go to war only when it has to — and even then, ending the conflict as expeditiously as possible should be an imperative.
Shallow and superficial.
With the basics so wrong the rest is pointless.
Feels good, though. A good starting point for online therapy.I”ll pass.
You and the author simplify a bit; here is some context; you can find more context if you care.
No.
“War is the continuation of politics by other means.”
I've noticed you absent from Revusky's last thread; probably a wise decision on your part. But your input would be interesting if you have any (no need to read the piece in its entirety or more than the first few comments).
As, then, there may be life without pain, while there cannot be pain without some kind of life, so there may be peace without war, but there cannot be war without some kind of peace, because war supposes the existence of some natures to wage it, and these natures cannot exist without peace of one kind or other.
Don’t bother debating with FB. He is a Mr. Know All, regards himself as the final depository of all knowledge and wisdom, loutishly rude for no reason, and given to hurling insults and abuse.
This means that Russia is fighting a defensive war and the West the war of aggression, which by definition makes Russia right and the West wrong.
Putin/Russia are fighting the “Anglo Zionist” empire because the same empire simply wishes to dispose of the regime in Kremlin and take over the country
For the Russians "the turf", as you put it, is our own country and we do defend it. It's the oldest trick in the book - to equate the aggressor and the defender because they both use military means. In reality, there is only one mafia here, and it isn't Russia.
Two mobsters in a turf war.
That we do not know. The only thing we do know is what is going on right before our eyes: the US and the entire West behaving like a gangster disregarding any and every rule of civilized behavior and endangering everyone, and Russia acting as the only adult in the room. The rest is a transparent attempt to justify the West's behavior: the West isn't to blame, for"both sides are equally bad".
should the empire goes down tomorrow, “Team Putin” will want to replace U.S. deep state in a second.
This means that Russia is fighting a defensive war and the West the war of aggression, which by definition makes Russia right and the West wrong.
Some people don’t equate the regime in Kremlin with Russia.
For the Russians “the turf”, as you put it, is our own country and we do defend it.
Nobody was attacking Russia last time (5 minutes ago) I checked.
Last time it happened ’41. At least you people are fond of regurgitating that all the time.
That we do not know.
Some of us do. We also aren’t bad in history either. Like remembering USSR expansion into Europe.We simply don’t like to see another.
“Do not trust Moscow”. Short and simple. Keyword “trust”.
We made our positions clear.
Let’s move on.
This is not any "regime"; this is a government of Russia supported by more than 70% of the people. And if anybody is entitled to "remove" people in Kremlin, that would be citizens of Russia at the time and in the manner they see fit, and no one else. Whoever those "some people" are and what they think is of no consequence.
Some people don’t equate the regime in Kremlin with Russia.
Russia is under attack, albeit not yet with missiles. In case you missed that, economic sanctions is a form of warfare. The only reason missiles aren't flying is that Russia can and will fight back, and you know it. And you aren't good at fighting with an able adversary.
Nobody was attacking Russia last time (5 minutes ago) I checked.
You claim to be a psychic able to see the future? I sincerely doubt it. And you are pathetic in history, if you mean the real one, not the history you invented to suit your delusion of grandeur. USSR "expansion into Europe", indeed! You conveniently forget that it followed a very bloody "expansion" of Europe into the USSR, my friend.
Some of us do. We also aren’t bad in history either.
Your position has always been abundantly clear. Pity it just doesn't matter that much any more.
We made our positions clear.
Excellent points, Anon !
To this one:
Assad’s regime was the regulator that kept the balance of power and order in Syria. But US interferes and undermines the regulator and all hell breaks loose.
I would add the following: this is true if you assume that the de-stabilization was inadvertent. It seems much more likely that we’re only at the beginning of the greater Israel project, which will be built on the mountain of corpses we’re right now engaged in creating for them.
We will destroy all their neighbors, while the US and Europe are being flooded by waves of migrants to keep everyone’s attention close to home. We will keep provoking Russia and later China to keep the world attention focused on the risk of its own demise.
And then, Israel will make its moves, massacring and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, securing from its neighbors all the resources of oil, gas, and water in order to amass all the necessary accouterments of a major regional power.
Thank you, Wobert.
What the author wants I don’t know, but a great part of what he wrote is Empire’s propaganda or outright nonsense, as other commentators also pointed out. The rest is more or less OK. For example, all the part about the “petulant, overarmed, misbehaved Russia” and Murica’s best-in-world-history military are BS propaganda.
Anything is possible here. Ya can’t just mate the king in a castled position. Ya have to pin, skewer, fork and threat to win. Bolton could be neocon prophylactic . He could be Sheldon brand ,TM oven mitts for red hot neocon buttons. Maybe he will toss Bolton after this at some point. I mean to do neocon stuff without a Bolton would tend to stick more to Trump. That would be really Machiavellian stuff….
It would also be really kind of funny if Russia baited this for their arms industry. What will really be telling is their sales of these systems in the next few years. It was a weapons demo.
As for domestically?
scenario #1
Our missiles are crap and need to be updated?
They are? Prove it.
Fire some missile at Syria and see what happens.
scenario #2
Sheldon has some cash.
for what?
You have to take in Bolton and take his advice.
Trump does so with disinterest , an lobs a few..
scenario #3
Trump had a spicy meal last night….
scenario #4
He has eyes for Bibi and his playboy life style is just a front….or he is a regular old crypto-zionist.
I mean what is to make of lobbing a few in half hearted , neocon fashion?
Mr. Bacevich, thank you for a great article that has given me much food for thought. One quibble: We should’ve used the atom bomb in Korea. Eastern cultures perceive restraint as weakness. We set a very bad precedent by not using the bomb, one which contributed to our losing Vietnam (where we shouldn’t have been).
We failed, to varying degrees, to achieve our objectives in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan because the enemy engaged in fourth-generation warfare. In all three cases they knew that we’d leave eventually and that they emphatically weren’t leaving. They just had to wait us out.
Rumors about the intelligence and impeccable honesty of the Brits are highly exaggerated: “The Skripal Affair: A Lie Too Far? by Michael Jabara Carley” http://www.voltairenet.org/article200813.html
“The Russian government, in fact, proposed that the alleged poisoning of the Skripals should be examined by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague, according to procedures to which Britain itself had agreed when the OPCW was established in 1997. …
The British attempted hijacking of the OPCW has compromised its independence… Moreover, since the BZ toxin is made by the US, Britain and other NATO countries, it begs the same questions, which the Tories put to Moscow: How did the perpetrators obtain the BZ toxin and bring it to Salisbury? Did MI5 or MI6 authorise a false flag attack against the Skripals, or was it authorised by the British cabinet or by the prime minister alone? Or did British authorities lose control of their stockpiles? The trail of evidence does not lead to Moscow; it leads to London.
A prima facie case can be made that the British government is lying about the Skripal affaire. … British authorities are now saying that they have other top-secret evidence, which explains everything, but unfortunately, it can’t be publicised. …
Given all the evidence, can any person with reasonable abilities to think critically believe anything the Tories are saying about the Salisbury affair?
“They are liars. And they know that they are liars,” the late Egyptian writer and Nobel laureate Naguib Mahfouz once wrote: “And we know that they are liars. Even so, they keep lying….” Mahfouz was not writing about the British, but all the same, he could have been. Are not his well-known lines apposite to the present government in London?”
The failure to rebuild functioning nation states and the "need" for continuous occupation are not bugs but features. The ongoing occupation of Afghanistan has nothing to do with "fighting terror" or "spreading democracy and freedom" - it is to encircle Iran and preventing it from linking up with China. Afghanistan cannot be allowed to make its own decisions in this matter, so it must endure the occupation.
The problem is not with the US military. It is with the post-military strategy, for which the military is ill-equipped to handle. It’s not the military that is deciding to stay forever.
Excellent point, Mike!
It’s all about keeping every country in check and scared so no one here or there ever starts to ask: ‘what the hell are we doing ?’ and ‘what have we done ?’
Well-written article, but Andrew Bacevich avoids (as usual) examining–or even mentioning–(1) the massive money, (2) entrenched political machinery, and (3) intellectual sleight-of-hand which funds, formulates, and justifies Washington’s lopsided and murderous Mideast ‘foreign policies’.
Shall we count the bodies together, Andrew?
Iraq, for instance, was a functioning and rising society before Zio-American forces went in there and annihilated it. Millions died or were wounded. Millions more have been displaced. Chaos came next.
Shouldn’t the perpetrators be identified and punished, Mr. Bacevich?
Any thoughts on crime and punishment?
In the meantime, let’s see if we can detect a pattern in all this.
Here’s the hit list:
Anti-Zionist Iraq: Crushed and neutralized. Anti-Zionist Syria: In ruins. Anti-Zionist Palestine: Under siege and in permanent lockdown. Anti-Zionist Libya: Dismembered and neutralized. And (coming soon): Death, misery and mayhem delivered to pro-Palestinian (and anti-Zionist) Lebanon and pro-Palestinian (anti-Zionist) Iran.
Is there a pattern here?–(one that Mr. Bacevich failed to notice)
Perhaps.
Are there pro-Zionist fingerprints in this crime scene?
Oh, maybe.
With entire nations destroyed, does this massive destruction not have the appearance of a criminal enterprise?
Possibly.
But support our troops!
Bibi was right when he (privately) whispered to a concerned Israeli: “Don’t worry about America. America can be moved.”
So true.
America has certainly been ‘moved’.
We are headed over a cliff!
But Bacevich barely notices. His ‘scholarship’ is typical of the Zionist-friendly, PC drivel that emanates from ‘TomDispatch’.
Fact: Zio-Washington is on a prolonged, blood-soaked, trillion-dollar killing spree.
Can we talk about it?
Death, discord and destruction (of Israel’s foes) is the objective.
So from an Israeli perspective, things are going very well in Libya, Iraq, Syria and Palestine.
Israel is rising. Her foes are sinking.
America’s ‘military disasters’ are just what the Jewish doctor ordered. Mission accomplished!
Yet all Bacevich can finally say is that America’s all-volunteer army is “the root cause of our predicament”.
Are we to take this man seriously?
What about Israel’s de facto ownership of the US Congress, Andrew?
Any thoughts about ‘patterns’ of ownership of American mass media, Mr. Bacevich?
Maybe next article, eh?
Bacevich as presented his readers a huge puzzle which he is determined not to solve. Perhaps that’s his objective.
multi-trillion dollar killing spree
Fact: Zio-Washington is on a prolonged, blood-soaked, trillion-dollar killing spree.
Bacevich is a rank whore
What about Israel’s de facto ownership of the US Congress, Andrew?
Any thoughts about ‘patterns’ of ownership of American mass media, Mr. Bacevich?
British imperialism was not so frightening.
Britain was and is a small country, that never had the resources the USA has.
British colonial wars were small, and not costly in money, except before WWI the Boer War.
Ian Hernon, ‘Britain’s Forgotten Wars, Colonial Campaigns of the 19th Century’, 2003, 2007, Chalford – Stroud
Even the Boers, with a few cannon, and just rifles, were a formidable opponent.
The natives were no match at all for repeater rifles, shrapnel cannon, or battleships.
The British empire could exist through bluff, manipulation, bribes, diplomacy.
WWI changed all that.
Germany was not a bunch of natives with spears and muskets.
WWII was the end of the British empire, thanks to Churchill:
John Charmley, ‘Der Untergang des Britischen Empires, Roosevelt – Churchill und Amerikas Weg zur Weltmacht’, Graz 2005
As far as I know the book just was published as german translation, I suppose no British publisher dared to publish the original by British historian Charmley.
That Churchill was not a hero, but an undertaker, it cannot be true.
“I honestly don’t know who in the US should get the credit for doing the right thing, but that person(s) deserves our collective gratitude. Rumors say that Mattis was the man, others point to Dunford and some even to Trump himself (I doubt that). Again, I don’t know who did it, but this action deserves a standing ovation.”
I believe the decision to scale back the missile attack on Syria was made by Orange Clown’s jewish-supremacist handlers themselves. As I see it, Orange Clown and the “people” around him are nothing but props. The whole Orange Clown administration is pure political theater, IMO.
I think the reason Bolton was appointed (and the reason Mattis has not been fired), is because the juxtaposition of the two – on either side of the arbitrary and capricious Orange Clown – gives our gamesmen maximum propagandistic flexibility in their psyop against humanity.
When a bellicose Trump makes threats, we’re to take it that he’s merely channeling Bolton. Then the gamesmen observe the response of the “system”, and they’re free to appropriately follow up with anything on the spectrum from bloodthirsty psychopath (Bolton) to that of a somewhat more reasonable bastard (Mattis).
I think this Bolton/Mattis dialectic is exemplified with the strike against Syria. Orange Clown was ordered by his handlers to marshal the naval strike group and make the necessary threats, i.e., to provide the stimulus, then the gamesmen studied the Russian response. And when the Russians put their ships to sea and the Russian Airborne Command Center took to flight or whatever, they assessed that Russia would respond militarily. Apparently not yet willing to start WW3, they had the flexibility to take a step back and attribute it to the influence of Mattis, thus limiting the loss of face.
Anyway, the big picture here, as I see it, is that Orange Clown and his handlers are faced with the same problem that Obama and his handlers had: All the low-hanging fruit has already been picked. And any attempt to pick the fruit hanging at a higher level, e.g. Syria, is associated with some very serious risks.
In the confusion that reigned immediately after Orange Clown’s inauguration, the opportunistic Orange Clown was able to quickly prop a ladder up against the tree, and start climbing (something that Hillary Clinton wouldn’t have been able to do). Despite Orange Clown’s affectatious posturing, it has now become clear that Orange Clown intended to pick the fruit himself (of course for his handlers), rather than spray the insects threatening the fruit, as he had disingenuously intimated.
So here we are now at a stalemate, albeit a very dangerous one, with Vladimir Putin trying to avoid a nuclear war (but already backed into a corner and ready to fight if forced), and Orange Clown’s handlers working day and night, interminably probing and pushing the limits, trying to come up with their next move.
Perhaps the next “click” will be some kind of catastrophic false-flag attack?
To be "catastrophic" means that Russia gets false-flagged, not Syria or Iran. It could happen. The Zionists want "regime change" with the destruction of Syria and Iran, and they're not going to get it while the Russians remain in the area .False-flags need time, preparation and co-ordination, and a clue might be the current intense anti-Russian propaganda. Modern day Zionist false-flags always seem to start with a preparatory media barrage against the target, and there's no doubt that Russia is getting the treatment.They could sink a US Navy ship to get their war, but what would the subsequent US assault look like? and with what kind of Russian response? It's given that the US can't fight a ground war in Syria and Iran, and it's navy and air force are too exposed to modern weapons, so as Saker suggests it could quickly develop into a Middle East nuclear war.This would give Israel/US/Saudi Arabia their victory, with the bet that Russia would pull back from a full inter-continental nuclear engagement given that only Syrian and Iranian targets are hit with nuclear weapons.However, if the fated bullet happened to be in that fated chamber, the Russians would decide to get it over with, and flatten Israel, New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, the Pentagon, Langley etc. with a few thousand warheads to spare.
Perhaps the next “click” will be some kind of catastrophic false-flag attack?
Laugh —- and
laughing.
This means that Russia is fighting a defensive war and the West the war of aggression, which by definition makes Russia right and the West wrong.
Putin/Russia are fighting the “Anglo Zionist” empire because the same empire simply wishes to dispose of the regime in Kremlin and take over the country
For the Russians "the turf", as you put it, is our own country and we do defend it. It's the oldest trick in the book - to equate the aggressor and the defender because they both use military means. In reality, there is only one mafia here, and it isn't Russia.
Two mobsters in a turf war.
That we do not know. The only thing we do know is what is going on right before our eyes: the US and the entire West behaving like a gangster disregarding any and every rule of civilized behavior and endangering everyone, and Russia acting as the only adult in the room. The rest is a transparent attempt to justify the West's behavior: the West isn't to blame, for"both sides are equally bad".
should the empire goes down tomorrow, “Team Putin” will want to replace U.S. deep state in a second.
The US-style “democracy on the march” in Poland, the obedient vassal of the ZUSA: https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/04/breaking-polish-political-prisoner-mateusz-piskorski-to-be-charged-with-espionage-for-russia/
“The Polish National Prosecutor’s Office has issued an indictment against the famous scholar, anti-NATO activist, and leader of the political party Zmiana, Dr. Mateusz Piskorski.
The full case and details of the indictment remain classified… The National Council of ZMIANA calls for the immediate declassification of the indictment against the Chairman of ZMIANA, Dr. Mateusz Pisorski: “ We believe that this whole affair is unprecedented in the recent history of Poland and is evidence of a lack of freedom of speech and freedom of political beliefs in the Republic evermore often referred to as “NATO’s Eastern Flank” as if the only meaning of our Fatherland’s existence is protecting the interests of the United States.” …
Dr. Mateusz Piskorski has repeatedly warned against the dangers of a Third World War breaking out over NATO expansion in Eastern Europe and Poland’s degradation into a potential battlefield. …
Piskorski has been dubbed contemporary Poland’s first political prisoner, and his indictment for alleged espionage behind closed doors could usher in a new era of political repression in NATO-occupied European countries…”
– There is no available information on the weasel Edward Zalewski, a current National Public Prosecutor, who produced the indictment
I go to baseball games regularly at the local university, and whenever a member of the U.S. military is identified as being in the audience he stands on the home dugout and receives a rousing two-minute standing ovation from virtually ever one of the roughly 3,500 souls assembled. It is beyond bizarre, especially for someone who was on campus during Vietnam. And quite scary.
My dad, who is a WWII veteran in his 90’s, saw heavy combat and received a Purple Heart and still has shrapnel in him from a Japanese grenade. He hates to be thanked for his service and never stands in church on Veterans Day weekend when they ask for veterans to stand. He thinks this glorification of people who “served” is total ludicrous and they should not get any benefits or preference for it. He said no one ever mentioned being in the war, and especially not simply being in the military, when he was younger.
I go to baseball games regularly at the local university, and whenever a member of the U.S. military is identified as being in the audience he stands on the home dugout and receives a rousing two-minute standing ovation from virtually ever one of the roughly 3,500 souls assembled. It is beyond bizarre, especially for someone who was on campus during Vietnam. And quite scary.
That's the first time I hear about this. Are there some good sources to confirm/learn more about it?
No one was surprised when Saddam annihilated the 3/7 Cav and fought the 3rd Infantry to a standstill in Baghdad ... until the US could drop a NWC-illegal neutron bomb
Detailed contemporary accounts by mid-level military seem to have been scrubbed off the web. Here’s a start:
https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2011/04/09/baghdads-neutron-bomb-and-americas-nuclear-obama/
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/15/vt-nuclear-education-nukes-in-iraq-confirmation/
Looking at it, Comment 52 is not clear about the sequence. The Battle of Baghdad was during the second US war of aggression against Iraq.
Like the Yankee coward he is, Lang hightailed it out of the Unz comment section back to the safety of his own blog where he promptly bans and/or abuses anyone who he disagrees with. This is typical Yankee behavior, cowardly running away and then crowing about victory once they are certain their opponents can no longer reach them.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/04/commenter-delusions.html#disqus_thread
Lang lightly addresses a few comments in this post from the safety of his own blog, but he ignores the stinky pile of elephant dung following him where ever he goes: War Crimes.
Every year they seem to drag up another poor conscripted German labor camp guard, who as a teenager in 1945 is still somehow guilty of war crimes now. These guys weren’t even officers.
Lang was in intelligence during Vietnam, when operation Pheonix was in force, which was the equivalent to the Nazi Einsatzgruppen. As the years have passed and the lies have slowly been pealed back about things like Tonkin and the secret bombings, it becomes clear to all non-Yankees that these were egregious war crimes and crimes against humanity. If we consider the complete aftermath of Pol Pot and the fall of Vietnam, the US army has more deaths and crimes to atone for than the German army did, without even considering what has gone on in the middle east since the US recognized Israel, a “country” with no official borders.
The problem is that there are millions of Yankee war criminals in the US collecting pensions, getting paid for appearances on talk shows, and basking in all that gratitude for their service. Even worse, they form little clubs, like SST, where they pat each other on the back and exchange tidbits of war criminal manna. I am referring to “intelligence”.
This entire Comey/McCabe/Muller/Clinton kubuki theatre that we are forced to endure revolves around “classified” information. Information that only these insiders are allowed to know about, which is clearly sold and leaked at will by those at the top of the food chain. This is the military war criminal manna. They can use and profit from this secret knowledge for decades after they have left “service”.
In Lang’s case, he can post juicy tidbits on his blog that he shares with other insider Yankee war criminals and know that the public will come to learn these great secrets, despite the abuse he heaps on anyone who questions anything they are told because of his deep insider knowledge.
So now that we finally know what a sham all this “top secret” information is, I would propose that it be used a the criteria for determining war crimes when the US finally faces judgment on the misery she has created for humanity. Low level security clearance means a couple of very hungry years in a re-education camp. High level security clearance means testicle crushing to extract forced confessions.
Not before making an ass of himself in this comment section.
Lang hightailed it out of the Unz comment section back to the safety of his own blog where he promptly bans and/or abuses anyone who he disagrees with.
IN ADDITION to the punishment of the criminals themselves.
LOL this guy wants us to treat the OHCHR seriously. I bet he thinks the Canadian CHRC is also a legitimate body we should all defer to.
“we can talk turkey.” OK let’s. Your irrelevant and (frankly insulting to our intelligence) commentary spoken as some UN plutocrat treating the US and Haiti as equal with equal standards is about as dumb as the gentleman above who wants us to think “half the US population has hispanic roots” or that we never “USA diversity never made room for the native americans”.
Your slimy globalism is showing, Pooftareader, no matter how many times you try to use expressions like “Arab headchoppers” to try, in your wormy manner, to fit in with how you think dissident nationalists talk.
I must be stupid, because I don’t understand what you mean.
“The root cause of our predicament is the all-volunteer force.”
Just before WWI various reforms were made that made entering into and maintaining a war easier. Most notably direct election of senators and the federal reserve bank. If you are looking to root causes, start with those. While the direct election of senators did not stop the US from getting into wars, it does seem to have made maintaining the war difficult or even impossible.
Russia/Syria: Send weapons inspectors because we have nothing to hide
US/Britain/France: Bomb the sites before weapons inspectors arrive because we know there are weapons.
Which seems more plausible?
Can’t tell if this a bad troll or you’re just very, very out of your depth at this website?
It’s an arrogant comment. What the author wants is to reinstate the draft.
Let those who want college tuition and free medical care enlist and get it. Let those who want to stay out of the military stays out.
Agree, up to a point.
The reason why most people chose to believe this soap opera,-Putin/Russia opposing , fighting the “Anglo Zionist” empire – is because they take their wish, hope for reality.
Putin/Russia are fighting the “Anglo Zionist” empire because the same empire simply wishes to dispose of the regime in Kremlin and take over the country
This means that Russia is fighting a defensive war and the West the war of aggression, which by definition makes Russia right and the West wrong.
Two mobsters in a turf war.
For the Russians “the turf”, as you put it, is our own country and we do defend it. It’s the oldest trick in the book – to equate the aggressor and the defender because they both use military means. In reality, there is only one mafia here, and it isn’t Russia.
should the empire goes down tomorrow, “Team Putin” will want to replace U.S. deep state in a second.
That we do not know. The only thing we do know is what is going on right before our eyes: the US and the entire West behaving like a gangster disregarding any and every rule of civilized behavior and endangering everyone, and Russia acting as the only adult in the room. The rest is a transparent attempt to justify the West’s behavior: the West isn’t to blame, for”both sides are equally bad”.
Some people don't equate the regime in Kremlin with Russia.
This means that Russia is fighting a defensive war and the West the war of aggression, which by definition makes Russia right and the West wrong.
Nobody was attacking Russia last time (5 minutes ago) I checked.
For the Russians “the turf”, as you put it, is our own country and we do defend it.
Some of us do. We also aren't bad in history either. Like remembering USSR expansion into Europe.We simply don't like to see another.
That we do not know.
“The troops are asked to sacrifice;….”
Really? What sacrifice? The troops are welfare queens living a socialist lifestyle. Everything paid for, everything taken care of by the taxpayer. The taxpayers serve the troops if anything. If the troops sacrifice anything, they sacrifice their conscience, that is, if they had one to begin with, which quite likely they did not or they never would have volunteered.
Here is the deal:
Mr. Troop, you do whatever we tell you and don’t ask any questions and we will pay for everything – food, housing, travel to exotic places, adventure, people constantly kissing your a**. The job is a little dangerous, but no more dangerous than many other jobs you might take for less money, no free health care, no special shopping centers, no free travel, no one kissing your a**, but you having to kiss others’.
The problem with the armed forces is that members get far more benefits and respect than they deserve. Take that away, and hardly anyone would join up for those somewhat dangerous ridiculous endeavors. The other problems would then solve themselves. Good ole supply and demand.
No one was surprised when Saddam annihilated the 3/7 Cav and fought the 3rd Infantry to a standstill in Baghdad … until the US could drop a NWC-illegal neutron bomb
That’s the first time I hear about this. Are there some good sources to confirm/learn more about it?
haAsk Hester Prynne.Puritans had a keen sense of psychological violence.
The New England Puritans frowned on violence as a way of resolving social conflicts.
Puritans are basically antisocials , they are against human beings ( and thus against God )
At one time, the US Military’s purpose and mission was thought to involve the defense of the territorial integrity of the United States of America as defined by its borders and the Constitution.
Over time, the mission was perceived to be that of policing the world for the cause of democracy and the very democratic profits of transnational corporations and international finance.
Now, it is self-evident that the primary mission of the US military, the greatest and most invincible in all of history, has always been to defend the right to commit sodomy and those of men who want to be women and women who want to be men. Nothing else matters.
Interestingly, the German mandatory military service, which used to be treated like a sacred cow by much of the public and by all parties represented in parliament, was very suddenly and unceremoniously terminated by Merkel and defence minister Guttenberg in 2011. Both have shown pretty clear signs of being US deep state assets. To her credit, however, Merkel has allowed the German forces to sink into abject decrepitude, to that they really are of no use whatsoever to the U.S. military adventurists.
Thanks for your kind words…glad to hear you enjoy my technical comments…
Adding up the events of recent history, it would appear that that sum is the correct one.
I suspect that the government’s fear of societal collapse – brought on by the impending collapse of the petrodollar, which the Empire is in vain trying to ward off by its perpetual wars in the Middle East and its feeble attempts at economic war on China – is behind the recent push for disarming the public. The prospect of a fully armed populace rioting in the streets is indeed a scary one.
A small volunteer force is perfectly adequate for defending the USA (its constitutional role) and worked fine until our overlords decided to create an American Empire. By doing so they have wasted our great geographical blessing of being “surrounded by oceans and weaklings” (per Bismarck).
Any war failing to yield peace is purposeless and, if purposeless, both wrong and stupid.
What about the most common example of war for the purpose of plunder and material gain? The morality of “wrong” doesn’t enter into it and ultimate peace may or may not be a goal.
It’s not the fault of the military that Afghans haven’t all cooperated with their occupation. They’ve done the job assigned to them but impossible jobs are, after all, impossible. It’s a military-political pipe-dream that was created by the incompetents of the Bush years and the political part is unattainable.
Madeleine Albright said it best: “If we have to use force, it is because we are America
I like this “we” part. That evil witch certainly never risked herself but sent other people’s children into the cauldron. There’s no “we” in all this. The upper echelon sacrifices the small fry and their lives mean nothing to them.
Having outsourced responsibility for defending the country
They’re not defending the country, that’s mind-boggling propaganda. There’s so much delusion here that one could go through this article line-by-line and dissect it. I’m off this “support our troops” wagon. It’s just a fiction; you sign up, you know the risks.
Indeed. The last Americans to die defending their country were the Confederate soldiers who died defending theirs. All others died for the US empire, including Union forces who died while making the South it's first victim.
They’re not defending the country, that’s mind-boggling propaganda.
Tom Dispatch left gatekeeping is like confirmation. A bunch of horny adolescents straggle into church holding prayer books in front of their out-of-control erumpent boners and say ridiculous nonsense in public. But Tom Dispatch goes beyond ordinary ridiculous nonsense like the holy spirit’s gonna get me, or I’m gonna commit cannibalism on christ:
“By common consent, the United States today has the world’s best military”
Where to begin? Back before the first Iraq war, this former death merchant modeled the industrial base for modern munitions. Long story short, it was pitifully inadequate. Any real mobilization would grind to a halt to retool extensive civilian assets, diverting resources at the cost, if you’re lucky, of a severe recession (if you’re outa luck inflation spikes too.) Static analysis with Leontief models show this. The dynamics are worse.
When the US regime went to war anyway, the inevitable happened. We all watched rusty national guard artillery get towed, not to the scrapyard where it belonged, but to the nearest airbase to blow up and get dumped in Iraq. No one was surprised when Saddam annihilated the 3/7 Cav and fought the 3rd Infantry to a standstill in Baghdad (That’s partly because no one was allowed to know about it. Massive OPSEC saved the day by hiding the rout from the US public until the US could drop a NWC-illegal neutron bomb.) Then the recession hit and our DCI head of state got canned. Then came a decade-long genocidal blockade, then the troops took a mulligan and the USA lost again – this time to Iran, who wasn’t even fighting.
The defense industrial base is now hollower and crookeder than ever. Institutionalized graft keeps it going as productivity decays. Russia just put it out of its misery.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/23/proven-americas-f35-junk-against-russia-syria/
Common consent. I got your common consent here in my pants.
That's the first time I hear about this. Are there some good sources to confirm/learn more about it?
No one was surprised when Saddam annihilated the 3/7 Cav and fought the 3rd Infantry to a standstill in Baghdad ... until the US could drop a NWC-illegal neutron bomb
I am an unashamed advocate of the draft to ameliorate the primary dynamic in question.
The best way to "ameliorate the primary dynamic in question" is to mandate that the arrogant DC nitwits read the foreign policy sections of George Washington's Farewell Address first thing every day. Have C-SPAN televise the reading every day that Congress is in session.
I am an unashamed advocate of the draft to ameliorate the primary dynamic in question.
I recall another crisply formulated aphorism that came from a German I had briefly come to know when I was rather young. I remember a few things like his preference Silvaner over Riesling. The most memorable thing was a German explaining to me a method that prevents tyranny which is drafted armies.
The Vietnam war can be know for three things at least. One is it was the last draft we had during war; it was remarkable in the freedom of the press; and it was hence a very unpopular war that was actually being won on the battle field. Well, they were not going to make those mistakes again.
Huh??? I highly doubt the deep state wants me to stop reading their propaganda.
The New England Puritans frowned on violence as a way of resolving social conflicts.
ha
Ask Hester Prynne.
Puritans had a keen sense of psychological violence.
It’s still violence.
The mouthpieces of god who mandated that violence still operated on the proposition, “Damn it, I am in charge.”
Another source wrote this. (Sorry no link)
The Puritans are almost always portrayed as a peaceful and persecuted bunch, but they were a very revolutionary, seditious, and violent people.:
England was plunged into an environment of Puritan blood rage and unreasonable fundamentalism. In the words of Hume, “fanaticism had its own language, it was a new jargon invented by the fury and hypocrisy of the times.” The Puritans wanted “No king, no nobility,” and like every leftists or progressive, the Puritans wanted “universal equality.” To use the words of Hume, “it was, in short, necessary to fanaticize the people with notions of perfect equality, to assure the obedience of the masses, and gradually to form a coalition against the monarchy.”
http://shoebat.com/2014/11/03/puritans-just-violent-muslims/
The Puritans wanted to be free to establish a “Christian” theocracy. (A perverted one complete with Indian extermination, communist principles, a police state...)
I was one of the first to sign up for the “All Volunteer Army”. It was only a two year commitment but the recruiters tried very hard to get me to enlist for three years.Two years is plenty of time to get to know what the army is like.
The people in my Company (roughly two hundred) were mostly from the mid to lower socioeconomic orders. About half did not have high school degrees. Some were there because a judge gave them a deal too good to pass up. Some were there because a politician interceded on their behalf due to serious criminal records. Most were there for action and adventure to counteract boredom.
The officers tried to scare us about the Russian menace even back then. So they sent us overseas to guard the German border in case the Russkies attacked.
The food was good and I venture to say that most of these young people never had it so good in terms of food, clothing and comfort. But the understanding was that we would risk our lives for the cause of world peace, love and understanding.
I always wondered why they never sent us to guard our own borders but always other borders. Our propaganda ministers were some of the best. These days the “Propaganda Matrix” we live in is all encompassing.
Long live the “military Industrial Complex”. Hail Caesar.
The way I see it, they’re [both colonels] shaped by environment and recall Franz Fannon:
“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief”
This can be expected of non-professionals and even professionals that are ‘bought in.’ But when said parties are claiming to be dissident, stepping 1/2 way out of the perception bubble doesn’t cut it, either yourself open to what’s actually going on, get at least a little bit humble and stay with the learning curve, or your stuff can get stepped on.
I did see Lang’s whining at ‘SST’ and he lost a lot of respect from your’s truly
That's a real gagger. Glad I didn't waste time reading the article and instead jumped right to the comments.It's an old trick to blame others for what you're doing. E.g., the Reds, who openly advocated and agitated for permanent worldwide revolution, blamed the Nazis for wanting to take over the world.A couple of other examples,
A “petulant, overarmed Russia” is a “security issue” for the U.S.? It would kind of seem to be the other way around.
"Blame others for your own sins."
J. V. Stalin, Anarchism Or Socialism ? December, 1906 — January, 1907
Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
It’s interesting that the Soviets had a universal political ideology pretty much requiring world conquest/revolution, while the Nazis did not, yet the Nazis were successfully manipulated (or manipulated themselves, I don’t know which) into invading most of their neighbors. The Soviets did that too but got away with it* by hiding behind the Nazi conquests at the same time.
*The Russian nation paid very heavily, though.
Note: This comment form was autofilled with “Ron Unz” as commenter handle. That’s a mistake, I think?
Syrian, Iraqi, and other terrorist groups have been de-funded, crushed, and no longer receive massive amounts of weapons from deceptive agencies. Sophisticated high tech information gathering is no longer routed to them. North Korea is no longer sending ICBMs over Japan, and hasn’t tested a nuke in some time. 1000′s of human traffickers have been arrested. The mainstream media is losing its viewer base. Alternative media is overcoming The Deep State’s efforts to censor it and is instead, continuing to grow rapidly. Solid, logical, scientific evidence is ever more being released to support the existence of a personal, benevolent, and vastly powerful Supreme Being. The ability to influence events by our perception and observation of Reality is being expanded by the Double Slit Experiments, Relativity’s basic dependency on the priority of the observer/ perceiver, and other evidence/ mathematically based science.
I would say that the above and MUCH MUCH MORE gives belief to the idea that things are getting better and the Truth is ever more coming into our existence.
It’s a great time to be alive!
Some would peg that almost a century prior or even earlier. The war of Northern bankers against Southern planters proved that the anti-federalists were correct in many ways.
Colonel, we haven’t had a constitution & rule of law since the National Security Act of 1947...
Partisan divisions over the military reflect much deeper cultural factors. “From the quasi-war with France [1798-1800] to the Vietnam war,” writes historian David Hackett Fischer, “the two southern cultures strongly supported every American war no matter what it was about or who it was against. Southern ideas of honour and the warrior ethic combined to create regional war fevers of great intensity in 1798, 1812, 1846, 1861, 1898, 1941, 1950 and 1965.” At the same time, the greater New England region has been home to the most intense opposition to American foreign wars-including the second world war. For 50 years, liberal American historians have spoken of “right-wing isolationists” but the fact is that most isolationists in the 1930s were liberals or leftists. Ironically, Roosevelt found the strongest supporters for his anti-Hitler foreign policy among racist Southern conservatives, who hated New Deal liberalism but were eager to save Britain and defeat Germany. The isolationist America First committee was a miserable failure in the south.
As the southern states have gone Republican in recent years, so has America’s military, in which southern whites have always been over-represented. In November 2000, during the electoral college crisis, Democratic party operatives in the contested state of Florida tried to disqualify, on technical grounds, as many overseas ballots from US military personnel as they could, on the correct assumption that American soldiers are overwhelmingly Republican.
What explains the deeply-ingrained military ethic of southerners-and the equally intense anti-military sentiments of greater New Englanders? Again, culture is the answer. The New England Puritans frowned on violence as a way of resolving social conflicts. The southern cavalier code, however, endorsed violence when personal or national honour was being “disrespected” or “dissed.” According to the sociologists Richard E Nisbet and Dov Cohen, although white southerners are no more likely than northern whites to kill strangers for money, they are much more likely to kill spouses, lovers, friends, and acquaintances who have insulted them. These differences explain why southern states have higher rates of homicide-and more executions. Most black Americans share southern culture (and the Latin American culture of honour is very similar). When murders committed by blacks and Latinos are not counted, the anthropologist Marvin Harris has observed, “America’s rates of violent crime are much closer to the rates found in Japan.” If southern whites were then subtracted from the murder figures, the US murder rate would be lower still.
All of this means that the talk in recent years about a supposed “resurgence of right-wing isolationism” is misleading. Many commentators have found themselves confused by the ambitious liberal interventionism of Clinton and Gore and the right-wing isolationism of Patrick Buchanan. But neither Clinton nor Buchanan are typical of their parties. Buchanan has little influence on the Republican right, which has repudiated his isolationism as well as his protectionism. Clinton, like Gore, emerged from the shrinking southern conservative wing of the Democratic party. His southern-style interventionism was supported by many Jewish liberals who want a US forward military presence capable of protecting Israel and who viewed Serbia’s ethnic cleansing in the Balkans as a replay of the Holocaust. But the interventionist sentiments of Jewish liberals are not shared by other groups in the Democratic electoral base, like Yankees, Germanic Americans and blacks.
This is why Europeans and Asians who believe that the Democrats will be more “internationalist” than the Republicans are mistaken. True, liberal Yankees are more in favour of constructive engagement with international institutions and norms than their southern rivals: compare the support of Clinton and Gore for the Kyoto treaty with George W Bush’s hostility to UN peacekeeping missions. But when the US uses military power-unilaterally or as part of an alliance like Nato-the fiercest opposition always comes from left-wing Democrats. Republicans may not like open-ended peace-keeping operations in the Balkans, but where US and allied security interests are clearly at stake, as in the Persian Gulf or the Taiwan Strait, they are hawks. By contrast, much of the Democratic left denounced Clinton as a war criminal during the Kosovo war. If a Republican president had led the Nato effort in the Balkans, most Democrats in Congress would probably have opposed it, just as most congressional Democrats voted against the Gulf war. Tony Blair may not like their thinking on domestic politics, but if he wants a strong Anglo-American alliance then his natural allies will be found among Anglophile Virginia Republicans, not among pacifist Democrats in Massachusetts or Oregon.
haAsk Hester Prynne.Puritans had a keen sense of psychological violence.
The New England Puritans frowned on violence as a way of resolving social conflicts.
Bullshit. The cost of most of our recent wars is orders of magnitude more than could ever be taken from these countries. That’s why the ‘war for oil’ slogan of the left is so stupid. We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil. The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
A conservative Scottish pastor at a Baptist Church I visited, credibly summed up the purpose of war, more accurately than Augustine:“The purpose of war is to take what belongs to someone else.”
I peg it as collective American, and by extension collective Western, insanity.
We’re not going to cure ourselves – we should be in the civilization equivalent of a straight-jacket, barring that, maybe we should be put out of our misery.
And BTW, the older generations to whom I’ve spoken mostly know what’s what. They know in their gut that their societies and their children have no future, and most are banking on being dead when the predictable collapse occurs.
Yup, the Boomers do not give a shit, and just want to live comfortably and then die. We are now at the end game.
Give it 20 years, maximum. 20 years – a blink of an eye in historical terms.
An interesting post. Agreed. Some other points.
1. Despite massive propaganda to the contrary, the last presidential election the American people clearly voted against wasting trillions of dollars on endless pointless wars of choice, and for spending that money on ourselves. As usual, however, there is no true Democracy in the United States, and we continue to pursue the status quo, the people be damned. But while it gets virtually zero news coverage, yes, Americans in general do NOT like what is going on.
2. One is reminded that massive citizen armies are a modern aberration. For most of recorded history, for better or worse, wars were fought by relatively few professional troops. It’s not new.
Mondoweiss had an interesting piece recently stating that Baptists, Catholics, LDS contribute the highest personnel numbers --percentage wise-- to the Armed Services. While Methodists, Congregationalists, Jews the fewest. Even Muslims have a greater percentage than Jews (surprising...no).
we count on these less affluent Americans to volunteer for military service
It was over ten years ago, and it said Buddhists were more represented than Jews, not Muslims. Muslims are as underrepresented as other overclass religions.
The idea is that an army of conscripts, that is, of citizens, may be a little more responsible than an army of unemployed robots. Before there was general conscription the military were a collection of psychopaths. General conscription diluted their preponderance in the armed forces. The use of a lottery to conscript during Vietnam was a device to stop protests.
“I’m not sure what that would make Trudeau.”
I am not familiar enough with the old Warsaw Pact leaders. However, if you are known by the company you keep, Trudeau’s pals – John Dalglish and Christopher Ingvaldson – might lead some, who don’t like Trudeau, to consider the term, pedophile.
Bullshit. The cost of most of our recent wars is orders of magnitude more than could ever be taken from these countries. That’s why the ‘war for oil’ slogan of the left is so stupid. We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil. The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
A conservative Scottish pastor at a Baptist Church I visited, credibly summed up the purpose of war, more accurately than Augustine:“The purpose of war is to take what belongs to someone else.”
The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
In other words “To take their stuff”. Why else have a “puppet regime”?
Well, colonel, in case of Thucydides, I'd go with “Their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound pre-vision; for it is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not fancy” pointing to human nature hasn't changed one bit, bringing up the more apropos:
"Thucydides’s famed .. “The strong do what they will, while the weak suffer what they must.”"
Just come out and say "Criminal." Or, look at whose books THE PENTAGON is auditing:
Meanwhile, under the terms of our military system, attention to how this money actually gets spent by our yet-to-be-audited Pentagon tends to be — to put the matter politely — spotty
Colonel, we haven't had a constitution & rule of law since the National Security Act of 1947. What we have is called "color of law." You might wish to study up on that:
The legal profession exists to implement the rule of law. We hope that the result is some approximation of justice
That's just oymoronish stupid (typo?) because it's our military and intelligence agencies combined behavior, inclusive of radicalizing Islam and setting it loose in Western China and Russia's Caucus, is no small reason for those rising giants looking at us like we're rabid dogs. BTW if you're really worried about the grid going down, well, you might have a look at EMP:
I don’t know about you, but I worry more about the implications of China’s rise and Russian misbehavior than I do about Islamic terrorism. And I worry more about changing weather patterns here in New England or somebody shutting down the electrical grid in my home town than I do about what Beijing and Moscow may be cooking up
The colonel is just flat out wrong; and I don't give a rat's a** if I was a mere sergeant and Bacevich was a colonel, because I went on to work in the trenches investigating corruption and the colonel went to the la-la-land of the ivory tower. Here's the real score:
"The generals who followed one another in presiding over that war are undoubtedly estimable, well-intentioned men..."
Pat Lang should’ve glanced at the comments to Bacevich’s writings before he posted on Unz,
The Unz commentariat refuses to be censored or to self-censor (thank you Ron Unz, 1000 X).
UFers call BS when they smell it.
Lang scurried back to his gated spiderhole & winged about “delusional” commenters at Unz.
Don’t let the door hit ya.
The failure to rebuild functioning nation states and the "need" for continuous occupation are not bugs but features. The ongoing occupation of Afghanistan has nothing to do with "fighting terror" or "spreading democracy and freedom" - it is to encircle Iran and preventing it from linking up with China. Afghanistan cannot be allowed to make its own decisions in this matter, so it must endure the occupation.
The problem is not with the US military. It is with the post-military strategy, for which the military is ill-equipped to handle. It’s not the military that is deciding to stay forever.
Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai believes Russia can play a decisive role in ending America’s longest war
With talk like this I’m sure the Western “intel” agencies are plotting to take Karzai out and replace him with another puppet.
If you stop reading something then you are a case of arrested development. Which is what the Deep State wants.
The military is being misused on Israels wars in the ME and elsewhere in the close to 800 bases around the world and Afghanistan where its job is to protect the CIA and MOSSAD and MI6 poppy fields.
The military should be brought home and placed on the southern border and stop the national suicide by illegal and unlimted immigration and end this zionist NWO bullshit that is destroying America.
In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel –
Isruel would not exist without the USA and the fact that they have 100 nukes, the Samson option.
Targeted assassinations, the Jews do it, the anti Zionist movement should do it also. Oye vey do I have a list. (Grin) Surprisingly many are shabbos goys.
Maybe for today, but for recorded history, the nod goes clearly to the Romans, who knew how to fight and conquer like Romans. We're just getting to our end-game via cheap imported labour and general societal decadence a bit faster than they.
"By common consent, the United States today has the world’s best military. By some estimates, it may be the best in recorded history."
[Bacevich: ... best military evah ... ] Maybe for today, but for recorded history, the nod goes clearly to the Romans, who knew how to fight and conquer like Romans.
The Roman armies are a good example, as are Ramses’ Egyptians, Cambyses’ Persians, Pausanias’ and Lysander’s Spartans, Epaminondas’ Thebans, Alexander’s Macedonians, Genghis’ Mongols, Peter the Great Russians, Napoleon’s French, Frederick’s and von Moltke’s Prussians … I could go on all day. Sure the US forces are the strongest right now, but within history, they are nothing special. In terms of bang for the buck, they are utterly pathetic, one reason being of course that the arms development and procurement agenda has been totally hijacked by corporate interests.
Hello Priss.
I don’t know about the win rate. Sure, there were the invasions of Grenada and Panama.
Maybe Nicaragua, but that was not a war, just massive malicious interference. They even had Russell Means, famous as an American Indian activist in the NAM, among other things, workimg there as an agent. Wonder how effective he was?
Gulf War I, sure killed many Iraqi soldiers and destroyed much materiel, Also ‘liberated’ that strange construct, Kuwait, back to despotism under its so-called royal family. Sure, liberated the exploitation of oil in Kuwait’s EEZ.
Cold War? Indeed a victory, but only through the placement and manipulation of traitors in the USSR (many from your fave ethnicity), not a military victory. The true and full story of that is yet to be told, and I am doubting that it ever will.
As one of your several fans on this site, I am curious about why you always are posting as Anonymous now, even when, as in this post of yours, the content is not very controversial.
Bullshit. The cost of most of our recent wars is orders of magnitude more than could ever be taken from these countries. That’s why the ‘war for oil’ slogan of the left is so stupid. We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil. The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
A conservative Scottish pastor at a Baptist Church I visited, credibly summed up the purpose of war, more accurately than Augustine:“The purpose of war is to take what belongs to someone else.”
The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
I doubt we prols and peasants will ever know the “purpose” of wars. From my perch, the vast majority of them are waged by simple-minded nutcases to satisfy some entirely unfathomable ( to us semi- “normies”, anyway) lust for domination or who knows what. They seem to be the biological adult behavior equivalents for kids torturing cats.
It seems to me utterly crackpot behavior that can never be satisfactorily understood by mere mortals.
I could be wrong, however.
Maybe for today, but for recorded history, the nod goes clearly to the Romans, who knew how to fight and conquer like Romans. We're just getting to our end-game via cheap imported labour and general societal decadence a bit faster than they.
"By common consent, the United States today has the world’s best military. By some estimates, it may be the best in recorded history."
Most expensive does not equal best.
The definition of being alive is consuming.
It is easier to steal than to produce
So, the purpose of life is stealing; the concomitant killing is unavoidable.
Errata:
“War is evil/wrong/stupid/.” No, war is criminal. See Rome Statute Articles 8 bis, 15 bis and 15 ter, which restate universal jurisdiction law for an independent jurisdiction. Use of force in manifest breach of the UN Charter is the gravest crime.
“Now, the nation that has created this military system is not some ‘shithole country.’” Yes it is. For your convenience OHCHR has compiled a handy comparative shithole map that clearly shows that your country is the biggest, most bouyant turd in the underdevelopment shithole, bobbing and reeking with Myanmar, Arab headchoppers, and a few atavistic African presidents-for-life. The big picture is apt to trigger indoctrinated reactions of dismissal, but you can drill down and examine the exhaustive supporting documentation compiled by independent experts and domestic civil society.
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Indicators/Pages/HRIndicatorsIndex.aspx
“We need a military system that accurately prioritizes actual and emerging threats.” No we don’t. The US government’s fixation on threats is how the military metastasizes. Furthermore, we don’t need a military system at all. Costa Rica does just fine without one, and they’re a softer target than the US.
“The root cause of our predicament is the all-volunteer force.” So, you’re going to fix our criminal-aggression ‘predicament’ by forcing every adult to fight with criminal penalties for non-compliance? This is how cognitive dissidence causes rational people to stop following their logical nose and veer off into idiocy.
So now that we’ve cleared away the cruft of residual state indoctrination with which Bacevich is valiantly struggling, we can talk turkey. The solution is simple. We need a law ‘n order president. The law and order the president enforces is to include UN Charter articles 2(4) and 51, ICCPR Article 20, and A/RES/25/2625. We had a president like that, JFK, but CIA shot him. Our next law ‘n order president must first do what Jack Kennedy wanted to do, until CIA murdered him: break CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds. That is a regime change. So any future law ‘n order president will by necessity be appointed by the victors of the last war our fatass loser military loses. The victors will impose command responsibility for US aggression (that in itself will decimate CIA and the flag ranks.) The victors will end CIA’s COG state-of-emergency regime and replace this obsolete dead-letter constitution with the UN Charter, the core human rights instruments, the International Bill of Human Rights, and the Rome Statute.
The problem is not with the US military. It is with the post-military strategy, for which the military is ill-equipped to handle. It’s not the military that is deciding to stay forever.
The failure to rebuild functioning nation states and the “need” for continuous occupation are not bugs but features. The ongoing occupation of Afghanistan has nothing to do with “fighting terror” or “spreading democracy and freedom” – it is to encircle Iran and preventing it from linking up with China. Afghanistan cannot be allowed to make its own decisions in this matter, so it must endure the occupation.
With talk like this I’m sure the Western “intel” agencies are plotting to take Karzai out and replace him with another puppet.
Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai believes Russia can play a decisive role in ending America’s longest war
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-28/ex-afghan-leader-karzai-sees-russia-as-key-to-peace-with-taliban
Bullshit. The cost of most of our recent wars is orders of magnitude more than could ever be taken from these countries. That’s why the ‘war for oil’ slogan of the left is so stupid. We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil. The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
A conservative Scottish pastor at a Baptist Church I visited, credibly summed up the purpose of war, more accurately than Augustine:“The purpose of war is to take what belongs to someone else.”
“The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.”
Seamus, buddy, I can’t disagree . . . I can’t disagree.
The USA has inherited the pirate genes of England , plus the brutal genes of militaristic germans , thats all for ” diversity ” .
USA ” diversity ” never made room for the native americans , for the hispanic roots of half of the country ……..
Out of its 239 years of existence the US has been at war for 222 years ( 93 % if its existence ) .
https://freakonometrics.hypotheses.org/50473
The USA does 50% of the military expenses of the world , the USA has some 800-1000 military bases out of the country . USA population 310 million , rest of the world 7,200 million
What else ?
Mondoweiss had an interesting piece recently stating that Baptists, Catholics, LDS contribute the highest personnel numbers --percentage wise-- to the Armed Services. While Methodists, Congregationalists, Jews the fewest. Even Muslims have a greater percentage than Jews (surprising...no).
we count on these less affluent Americans to volunteer for military service
The Deep State/ziocons were very smart to create a deification of the military in the past decades. So the American public would cheer on wars and occupations and endless global military expansion. We went from the grass-roots anti-war invective “Baby killers!” to the Fox News slogan, “Thank you for your service!”
Caution to Unz readers: Do not, repeat, do NOT accompany Isabella on a trip to the Serengeti.
If Isabella’s viewfinder is as accurate as the posted representation of “Fascism,” you may end up gobbled up by the same lion that devoured Germany and Italy in the 1940s.
First, what’s this “Fourteen Points” checklist? It’s something published by one Lawrence Britt.
Second, Who is Lawrence Britt?
Take your pick:
source: google
Who was Dr. Lawrence Britt and how is he connected with fascism …
http://www.slader.com/…/who-was-dr-lawrence-britt-and-how-is-he-connected-with-fascism…;
Lawrence W. Britt is not a doctor in any field but a novelist who compiled fourteen points which he believes define a Fascist regime. He is a novelist, with no formal training in political science or history and so his views on fascism should be viewed objectively and as an opinion rather than as fact or as a definition. He is widely known for using rhetoric to equate the modern Republican party with fascism and his work is largely deemed to be political opinion rather than analysis or study.
source: google
Lawrence Britt
explorepdx.com/britt.html
Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism, which appeared in Free Inquiry magazine—a journal of humanist thought. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in …
source: Lawrence Britt himself, via https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/
The list was originally created by Laurence Britt in 2003, for an article published by Free Inquiry magazine (a publication for secular humanist commentary and analysis). While subsequent postings of the list often attribute it to “Dr. Laurence Britt,” the author said that he was not actually a doctor (nor did he claim to be). Britt himself said that he could be more accurately described as an amateur historian:
I’ve read this thread with interest. For your information I never made a claim that I was a “Dr.” Someone on the internet made that ASSUMPTION when they passed on the artice. I am a retired bsunessman with a life long interst in history and current events.
I have a personal book collection on these subjects of over 3000 volumes. I’ve contributed chapters to three books, written another, and am working on a second. I’ve written aproximately 25 magazine and newespaper articles on political and econmic affairs.I spent about 200 hours researching the fascism article building on a lifetime interst in the subject.
My novel, “June , 2004” was written in 1997 and published in 1998. It was a fictional treatment of a future of fascism in America, which has turned out quite predictive of actual events since it was published.Regards, Larry Britt
Britt created this list during George W. Bush’s tenure as president of the United States. While he did not actually name Bush, he wrote in the original article that some of the early warning signs had already manifested in the United States . . .”
The Snopes article is the outcome of fact-checking a claim that the USHolocaust Museum “displayed a poster with the 14 points of fascism . . .”; Snopes learned that someone named Sarah Rose tweeted a photo of a “poster” listing the 14 points; on Jan. 30, 2017, under her photo of the poster, Rose tweeted:
“In the US Holocaust Museum.
I’m shook.”
Sarah Rose, who first shared the photograph on social media, confirmed to us that she took the picture in the museum’s gift shop. We reached out to the USHHM to confirm that it sold a poster showing “early warning signs of fascism,” and they told us that the museum no longer carries the poster. . . .
In less than an hour, Rose’s photo-tweet wended its way through what is euphemistically called the social media tech- work; on Jan. 30, 2017 “Eboneezer Goode added this text to an enhanced photo of Britt’s 14 points and tweeted:
@RaRaVibes There are two things he has left to do. It’s time for us to rise up and #resist #oppose and #impeach this monster.
SO, Third, What are the real threats to the American and all other people? How should we set our “viewfinders?”
The Number One threat is bigotry and ignorance.
Lawrence Britt’s list is bigoted and stupid.
USHMM is a temple to dissemination of disinformation for the purpose of engendering hatred, while simultaneously avoiding accountability. It is the centerpiece of bigotry in the Reception Hall of the US Capitol.
American taxpayers spend more than $50 million each year on this misguiding “viewfinder.”
Sarah Rose’s tweet was ignorant.
Rose’s tweet snowballed into an unhinged ad hominem attack and advocacy for extreme political action.
Isabella is a useful idiot.
The fruits of bigotry, ignorance and hate-filled disinformation are death and destruction.
The reason that US militarism is so frightening is that like its parent English imperialism it is insatiable and the very definition of self-righteous and features a world class ability to lie and deceive.
Everything that I’ve read here sourced to TomDispatch sounds like something one might hear on NPR. If “Andrew J. Bacevich is trying to write a book about how we got Trump,” then he might do well to look in the mirror.
My best guess after reading this column is that he wants Uncle Sam to conscript my kids to
- keep China from “rising”
- be stationed in eastern Poland to glare across the border at “petulant and over-armed Russia”
- wage a Great War On Climate Change
But why? Notice the pronoun propaganda worthy of Pat Buchanan:
“The root cause of our predicament is the all-volunteer force. Only when we ordinary citizens conclude that we have an obligation to contribute to the country’s defense will it become possible to devise a set of principles for raising, organizing, supporting, and employing U.S. forces that align with our professed values and our actual security requirements.”
Of course, the author would entrust these purported reforms to the Congress, which is going to rein in the Commander-In-Chief like it did back in [******].
Many of “we ordinary citizens” have come to realize that nothing run from Washington — especially military forces deployed outside “our” country — has much to do “with our professed values and our actual security requirements.” And it never, ever will.
A “petulant, overarmed Russia” is a “security issue” for the U.S.? It would kind of seem to be the other way around.
That’s a real gagger. Glad I didn’t waste time reading the article and instead jumped right to the comments.
It’s an old trick to blame others for what you’re doing. E.g., the Reds, who openly advocated and agitated for permanent worldwide revolution, blamed the Nazis for wanting to take over the world.
A couple of other examples,
“Blame others for your own sins.”
J. V. Stalin, Anarchism Or Socialism ? December, 1906 — January, 1907
Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
A conservative Scottish pastor at a Baptist Church I visited, credibly summed up the purpose of war, more accurately than Augustine:
“The purpose of war is to take what belongs to someone else.”
Bullshit. The cost of most of our recent wars is orders of magnitude more than could ever be taken from these countries. That’s why the ‘war for oil’ slogan of the left is so stupid. We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil.
The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
I doubt we prols and peasants will ever know the "purpose" of wars. From my perch, the vast majority of them are waged by simple-minded nutcases to satisfy some entirely unfathomable ( to us semi- "normies", anyway) lust for domination or who knows what. They seem to be the biological adult behavior equivalents for kids torturing cats.It seems to me utterly crackpot behavior that can never be satisfactorily understood by mere mortals.I could be wrong, however.
The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
In other words "To take their stuff". Why else have a "puppet regime"?
The purpose of our modern wars is to destroy countries and then occupy them to maintain control until a puppet regime of our can be planted and bloom.
No, the trillions weren't spent (as in wasted) they were simply diverted from the public to the private sector.
We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil.
Well, colonel, in case of Thucydides, I'd go with “Their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound pre-vision; for it is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not fancy” pointing to human nature hasn't changed one bit, bringing up the more apropos:
"Thucydides’s famed .. “The strong do what they will, while the weak suffer what they must.”"
Just come out and say "Criminal." Or, look at whose books THE PENTAGON is auditing:
Meanwhile, under the terms of our military system, attention to how this money actually gets spent by our yet-to-be-audited Pentagon tends to be — to put the matter politely — spotty
Colonel, we haven't had a constitution & rule of law since the National Security Act of 1947. What we have is called "color of law." You might wish to study up on that:
The legal profession exists to implement the rule of law. We hope that the result is some approximation of justice
That's just oymoronish stupid (typo?) because it's our military and intelligence agencies combined behavior, inclusive of radicalizing Islam and setting it loose in Western China and Russia's Caucus, is no small reason for those rising giants looking at us like we're rabid dogs. BTW if you're really worried about the grid going down, well, you might have a look at EMP:
I don’t know about you, but I worry more about the implications of China’s rise and Russian misbehavior than I do about Islamic terrorism. And I worry more about changing weather patterns here in New England or somebody shutting down the electrical grid in my home town than I do about what Beijing and Moscow may be cooking up
The colonel is just flat out wrong; and I don't give a rat's a** if I was a mere sergeant and Bacevich was a colonel, because I went on to work in the trenches investigating corruption and the colonel went to the la-la-land of the ivory tower. Here's the real score:
"The generals who followed one another in presiding over that war are undoubtedly estimable, well-intentioned men..."
Colonel, we haven’t had a constitution & rule of law since the National Security Act of 1947…
Some would peg that almost a century prior or even earlier. The war of Northern bankers against Southern planters proved that the anti-federalists were correct in many ways.
The constitution was a huge link in the chain around our necks.
Rule of law? When did that ever happen?
For neocons,… it’s global domination, for Zionists, it’s Greater Israel…
Global domination for neocons is not an end in itself, it is a means to an end… and that end is the enhancement of the security of the Jewish state.
… but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn’t help at all achieve the Zionists’ goals.
Surely, you jest. The neocons like Robert Kaganovitch and his wife Victoria Nudelman, Willian Kristol, David Frum, etc, are obsessed with Russia as Russia is the sponsor of both Iran and Syria, which supply Hezbollah the means by which to keep Israel out of Lebanon.
In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel
While the former is true, the latter isn’t.
The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.
On this, we both can agree.
Well, colonel, in case of Thucydides, I'd go with “Their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound pre-vision; for it is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not fancy” pointing to human nature hasn't changed one bit, bringing up the more apropos:
"Thucydides’s famed .. “The strong do what they will, while the weak suffer what they must.”"
Just come out and say "Criminal." Or, look at whose books THE PENTAGON is auditing:
Meanwhile, under the terms of our military system, attention to how this money actually gets spent by our yet-to-be-audited Pentagon tends to be — to put the matter politely — spotty
Colonel, we haven't had a constitution & rule of law since the National Security Act of 1947. What we have is called "color of law." You might wish to study up on that:
The legal profession exists to implement the rule of law. We hope that the result is some approximation of justice
That's just oymoronish stupid (typo?) because it's our military and intelligence agencies combined behavior, inclusive of radicalizing Islam and setting it loose in Western China and Russia's Caucus, is no small reason for those rising giants looking at us like we're rabid dogs. BTW if you're really worried about the grid going down, well, you might have a look at EMP:
I don’t know about you, but I worry more about the implications of China’s rise and Russian misbehavior than I do about Islamic terrorism. And I worry more about changing weather patterns here in New England or somebody shutting down the electrical grid in my home town than I do about what Beijing and Moscow may be cooking up
The colonel is just flat out wrong; and I don't give a rat's a** if I was a mere sergeant and Bacevich was a colonel, because I went on to work in the trenches investigating corruption and the colonel went to the la-la-land of the ivory tower. Here's the real score:
"The generals who followed one another in presiding over that war are undoubtedly estimable, well-intentioned men..."
There of course is no USA terrorism, those in Virginia that fire Hellfire from Predators go to church, and do not blow themselves up when murdering.
Those with explosive belts are the terrorists.
The problem just is that at the explosive belt side they have the opposite view about who the terrorists are.
“By common consent, the United States today has the world’s best military. By some estimates, it may be the best in recorded history.”
Maybe for today, but for recorded history, the nod goes clearly to the Romans, who knew how to fight and conquer like Romans. We’re just getting to our end-game via cheap imported labour and general societal decadence a bit faster than they.
The Roman armies are a good example, as are Ramses' Egyptians, Cambyses' Persians, Pausanias' and Lysander's Spartans, Epaminondas' Thebans, Alexander's Macedonians, Genghis' Mongols, Peter the Great Russians, Napoleon's French, Frederick's and von Moltke's Prussians ... I could go on all day. Sure the US forces are the strongest right now, but within history, they are nothing special. In terms of bang for the buck, they are utterly pathetic, one reason being of course that the arms development and procurement agenda has been totally hijacked by corporate interests.
[Bacevich: ... best military evah ... ] Maybe for today, but for recorded history, the nod goes clearly to the Romans, who knew how to fight and conquer like Romans.
The main thing in this world that frightens me is USA militarism.
De Gaulle already said ‘the USA thinks that force is the solution to any problem’.
About the best army, in NATO excercises comparing armies the Dutch most of the time won.
USA commanders never understood how without orders a problem was solved, while USA soldiers were waiting for orders.
With regard to discipline, the Dutch were the worst.
What Happens When a Few Volunteer and the Rest Just Watch?
…the volunteers become mercenaries for Israel.
The US has always been more of an economic construct than other nations. It was built on people abandoning the Old World in search of economic opportunity. They weren't idiots, and they had great success - but it's a country without much of a history. Americans trace their "roots" back to other countries in Europe, Africa, South America or Asia.
This can only be because the majority of Americans are idiots.
America’s problems cannot be corrected by elections.
Important insight.
thanks.
The Persian empire also offers interesting lessons: diverse ethnic groups were encompassed in the Persian empire and under the system of Cyrus, each conquered state continued its own cultural traditions. They were not melted into a pot of identity-less gravy but intermingled in a khoresh, a stew.
Later, the Persian empire was conquered by alien invaders who imposed their mores and intermarried with the Persian people.
Over the millennia, Iran has surrendered large chunks of territory, but a core of Iranian cultural identity, culture, and land mass persists, unified by realistic awareness of their history and a mindset that reveres their artists and poets greater than warriors.
But to my mind, what most distinguishes Iranian culture is that at its heart, it is not of the Abrahamic root, it is Zoroastrian. The essential element of Abrahamism is intolerance and conquest to force compliance. The essence of Zoroastrianism is the individual’s monitoring of his moral behavior, in his thoughts, words and actions.
The essay starts out on the wrong path and never finds its way: men and women in today’s military do not “volunteer” and “serve,” they make application and are employed; their status as employees is no different from a Walmart clerk but of less benefit to the common good than the men and women who collect the garbage or run the town’s water-treatment system.
They are not employed to wage war, i.e. to defend the nation against attack, they are employed to carry out exactly what Fran Macadam stated in #4: to take what belongs to somebody else.
While I agree with most of Anon (425)’s analysis and apt analogy to a physician/surgeon cutting into a human body; and contrary to Fran Macadam’s demur in #3, I also agree that civilian authorities are pulling the strings to set that physician/military to work on the wrong patient; I disagree that “the Military Industrial Complex . . . has no agency and autonomy” and vehemently object to equating employees in the MIC to “dogs who like to hunt.”
No human being surrenders his moral agency either before “voluntarily” becoming an employee of any organization or in carrying out the tasks as an employee.
Men and women who apply for employment in MIC are not dogs, they have moral agency: they know beforehand that the tasks they will carry out are to kill people and destroy things that belong to other people.
The first moral injunction of the physician is, Do No Harm.
Just War concepts that St. Augustine (among others) made a part of western civilization impose a similar constraint.
That is why the US Constitution requires that the representatives of the people Declare War: sending members of the community off to kill other people and destroy their homes is such a serious — “evil,” as Bacevich notes — act that the people must consider the act long and hard before taking that decision. An Authorization to Use Military Force is NOT a declaration of war, it is a sophist’s abrogation of his responsibility in order to achieve a nefarious purpose.
The man or woman who kills, destroys, or plunders in a military action that is not the object of a properly declared war is just as guilty of murder, theft, and crimes against humanity as the civilian authorities who set those acts in motion.
That this is so is proved by actions such as this:
94-year-old man charged with serving in Auschwitz death camp
https://nypost.com/2015/02/23/94-year-old-man-charged-with-serving-in-auschwitz/
and
94-Year-Old Auschwitz Guard Charged as “Juvenile” © Sputnik / Valeriy Melnikov
16.04.2018(updated 18:43 16.04.2018)
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201804161063619620-nazi-germany-auschwitz-trial/
At last some sense. The US Army and IDF ground forces are useless in the ME theater and the US Navy and Airforce are technologically obsolete compared to Russia. Why is that a bad thing?
A “petulant, overarmed Russia” is a “security issue” for the U.S.? It would kind of seem to be the other way around. Colonel, you’re well outside the mainstream media here. No need for even a courtesy bow to political correctness.
That's a real gagger. Glad I didn't waste time reading the article and instead jumped right to the comments.It's an old trick to blame others for what you're doing. E.g., the Reds, who openly advocated and agitated for permanent worldwide revolution, blamed the Nazis for wanting to take over the world.A couple of other examples,
A “petulant, overarmed Russia” is a “security issue” for the U.S.? It would kind of seem to be the other way around.
"Blame others for your own sins."
J. V. Stalin, Anarchism Or Socialism ? December, 1906 — January, 1907
Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
Great article. This piece by a guest author on the Saker blog makes a good addition to this piece. It puts the issue in a moral context:
So,the purpose of killing is life?
Wow, of the many “predictive” articles I’ve read on U.S./Russia (aka Trump/Putin) relations and how much of this hinges on Syria, this one is the real deal. Written 9 months ago and with so much behind it to back it up, Mr. McGovern not only predicted what happened a week ago would happen, he has enough of a full-scale understanding of exactly what is involved here, from things in the past as well as things that are happening today, to be able to predict this would happen long before Trump’s publicing his “intentions” to pull out of Syria.
I already knew Mr. McGovern knows his stuff; coming across this particular article 9 months later and oddly enough a week after what transpired in Syria, GOOSEBUMPS, and reinforcement of knowing I value his work as I do for a very valid reason.
“Thucydides’s famed .. “The strong do what they will, while the weak suffer what they must.””
Well, colonel, in case of Thucydides, I’d go with “Their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound pre-vision; for it is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not fancy” pointing to human nature hasn’t changed one bit, bringing up the more apropos:
“The extension of the empire has meant the growth of private fortunes. This is nothing new, indeed it is in keeping with the most ancient history” -Gaius Asinius Gallus (from Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome)
Meanwhile, under the terms of our military system, attention to how this money actually gets spent by our yet-to-be-audited Pentagon tends to be — to put the matter politely — spotty
Just come out and say “Criminal.” Or, look at whose books THE PENTAGON is auditing:
https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/05/30/usaid-in-central-africa/
The legal profession exists to implement the rule of law. We hope that the result is some approximation of justice
Colonel, we haven’t had a constitution & rule of law since the National Security Act of 1947. What we have is called “color of law.” You might wish to study up on that:
https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/12/01/the-oath-and-the-trash-bin/
I don’t know about you, but I worry more about the implications of China’s rise and Russian misbehavior than I do about Islamic terrorism. And I worry more about changing weather patterns here in New England or somebody shutting down the electrical grid in my home town than I do about what Beijing and Moscow may be cooking up
That’s just oymoronish stupid (typo?) because it’s our military and intelligence agencies combined behavior, inclusive of radicalizing Islam and setting it loose in Western China and Russia’s Caucus, is no small reason for those rising giants looking at us like we’re rabid dogs. BTW if you’re really worried about the grid going down, well, you might have a look at EMP:
https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/10/14/devolution-part-1/
As for:
“The generals who followed one another in presiding over that war are undoubtedly estimable, well-intentioned men…”
The colonel is just flat out wrong; and I don’t give a rat’s a** if I was a mere sergeant and Bacevich was a colonel, because I went on to work in the trenches investigating corruption and the colonel went to the la-la-land of the ivory tower. Here’s the real score:
https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/05/26/counterfeit-coin/
All in all, the colonel’s article is a fail.
Some would peg that almost a century prior or even earlier. The war of Northern bankers against Southern planters proved that the anti-federalists were correct in many ways.
Colonel, we haven’t had a constitution & rule of law since the National Security Act of 1947...
you are so smart and well read yet they have accused of being an Indian
I see what you did there with the implication of that statement.
I wonder if any hindoo nationalist degenerate with a sufficiently seared butthole will respond to that.
That would be further proof of the Evil Empire’s imminent demise. So, witnessing satan’s pussy slink away with its tail between its legs, should be something to rejoice.
I am all for Trump getting the Hypocrites, er I mean nobel, Peace Prize.
with regard to the multitude of crazies who use his comment-sections for, sometimes, rather wackadoodley semi-hysterical ranting.
I do it all the time. That is what I love about The UR.
See, it is one thing to be armchair crazies, generally quite harmless, just venting our feelings, than be the crazy racist mofers of your kind, who in stark contrast commit satanic evil, causing untold suffering to real people.
Can your despicable self understand that basic difference?
“I don’t know about you, but I worry more about the implications of China’s rise and Russian misbehavior”
I stopped reading here.
“During the first Cold War both American and Soviet forces took great care to avoid direct conflict, rightly afraid it could lead to uncontrolled escalation.”
Did you know, that it was WALL STREET BANKERS that FINANCED Russia’s TECHNOLOGICAL rise to Super-Power status, from at least 1945 to 1965? Read Stanford Professor Antony C. Sutton’s book THE BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY. Now, WHY, exactly, would the (((Western 1% CENTRAL BANKERS))) (predominantly counterfeit “Jews”, by the way) SEEK TO EMPOWER (((BOLSHEVIK/SOVIET))) RUSSIA by FINANCING its RISE to Super-Power status? Oops! I think I answered my own question.
One question: (((WHO))), exactly, would BENEFIT, from starting a WW III between historically WHITE, CHRISTIAN AMERICA, and historically WHITE, ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN RUSSIA? Oops! I just answered my own question, again.
ALL WARS ARE (((BANKERS))) WARS
“O, what a tangled web (((we))) weave when first (((we))) practice to deceive” ~ Walter Scott
Parentheses added. When are AMERICANS going to WAKE THE HELL UP?! Seriously.
Here is what needs to go mainstream:
Nice try. Neocons, like most liberal Jews, were originally leftists who crossed over the political divide because they realized, especially after witnessing The Left's resistance to the Vietnam War, progressivism would lead to a non-interventionist US foreign policy, spelling disaster for the Jewish state. In other words, Israel is the neocons raison d'être... without it, they would rejoin most of their brethren who reside on the left of the political spectrum. If you require proof of this, just look at how the neocons easily switched over to the Democrats and HC during the 2016 presidential campaign, when Trump promised to end the regime-change wars. That's because the only thing conservative about the neoconservatives is their support for a more hawkish foreign policy, for the benefit of the Jewish state.
I think it far from absurd to make the distinction between neocons and Zionists, since neocons will certainly not disappear even if Israel disappeared.
Neocons would be neocons with or without Israel. The tribal aspect is undisputable, there are overlapping interests, but the goals are different. For neocons, as for Soros progressives who are also far from being all Zionists, it’s global domination, for Zionists, it’s Greater Israel, which does btw encompass more land than just the mythical Eretz Israel.
Obviously, the neocons’ God complex has a lot to do with being “the chosen people” and obviously their rise to prominence wouldn’t have been possible without help from fellow “chosen people” so it’s not such a bad idea to root for Israel, but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn’t help at all achieve the Zionists’ goals. The latter don’t put all their eggs in one basket, and they do in fact have a lot of activity in the back of their American protector but if the USA goes down, the neocons / Soros liberals are gone too.
In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel – though they’d have to find other ways to pominence than Zionist money -, they’re both phenomenons of the same tribe but one can be contained and can be made to accomodate itself with that containment, the others represent a real threat to Planet Earth. The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.
Global domination for neocons is not an end in itself, it is a means to an end... and that end is the enhancement of the security of the Jewish state.
For neocons,... it’s global domination, for Zionists, it’s Greater Israel...
Surely, you jest. The neocons like Robert Kaganovitch and his wife Victoria Nudelman, Willian Kristol, David Frum, etc, are obsessed with Russia as Russia is the sponsor of both Iran and Syria, which supply Hezbollah the means by which to keep Israel out of Lebanon.
... but their obsession with subjugating Russia doesn’t help at all achieve the Zionists’ goals.
While the former is true, the latter isn’t.
In short, Israel would exist without neocons and neocons would exist without Israel
On this, we both can agree.
The Jewish grip on all aspects of public life, Zionism, neoconism are different processes. The first and the last need to be killed.
Are the conniving jooies and their kept goy boys pushing the ongoing destruction of the ME? If so, why not finger the vile jooies for being the bloodthirsty warmongers they are?
Please do us all a favour and rememeber to take your meds tommorow
Yup, regardless of what Trump does or doesn’t do, he has completely outed the globalist cabal and uniparty system.
To be honest I’m not sure that he even knew why he had such a following. He does not seem like the most thoughtful man. He saw the crowds with thousands of Americans cheering his message, so he kept repeating it. He might not have seen himself in the same way that we “conspiracy theorists” did. So he’s confused and doesn’t see how he’s letting us down.
Trump did the first bit, and quite frankly it’s up to the people whether or not our society will survive. Trump was a great push through the barriers, and it’s up to us to continue.
we count on these less affluent Americans to volunteer for military service
Mondoweiss had an interesting piece recently stating that Baptists, Catholics, LDS contribute the highest personnel numbers –percentage wise– to the Armed Services. While Methodists, Congregationalists, Jews the fewest. Even Muslims have a greater percentage than Jews (surprising…no).
The point is that in as long as educational benefits, medical care (for life) and a notion of service as a noble calling continue to be valued by a significant portion of the poor/lower middle class, the wealthiest among us will have numbers to project militarily. And it won’t be from their families.
I don’t believe the solution for a better world is more laws, better laws.
We will never have a better world until people understand that the only thing one can change is oneself. The only revolution worth talking about and doing is the one one does with oneself.
The only growth which has any meaning is “spiritual growth”. – Soljenitsyne.
With laws you can get everything. Even the hell: Communism, Nazism, Capitalism, were and are legal.
All Americans wars (mass murder) were and are legal.
“Now why does my mind keep wandering off into utopian territories ?”
Our thoughts are important.
I would suggest you to read a masterpiece – ISLAND ( Aldous Huxley). It’s about “utopian territories”.
“Island” should be mandatory reading in all countries. That of course won’t happen.
TL;DR;BS!
1) The new national anthum of (Alawite-Kurdish) Syria will be written by Acmed Scott Key (…..rockets red glare….),
2) The Alliance of the Willing, but reluctant, without any annoying text, was approved by the signatures of fire in the sky (look at a map) (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel, Egypt (?), U.K., France, U.S.),
3) Rodina (Mother Russia) gets to declare victory over ISIS and gets to building their new warm-water naval base,
4) The contract for the joint Saudi, Persian, Kurdish (Syrian), European pipeline has probably already been inked (all beaks will be wet),
5) The Ottoman theme park in northern Syria will be under new management,
6) Divine Punishment for doing exactly what was planned?, without the “Anglos”, “Honkies”, “Normies”, etc. you’all’d be sleeping in the mud with the pigs and killing each other with clubs. I am just hoping that we are on the call-up list for the next inning, especially the Scots, so I can see what comes after stills and steam engines,
7) Back to the vodka and beach umbrella.
Don’t you love it, these ziocons who have been supporting AQ/ISIS jihadis in Syria, and Israel who has been supporting AQ/ISIS jihadis in Syria, are now going to accuse Russia, who has been decimating jihadis and ISIS in Syria, of supporting terrorists?? What evil friggin SOBs these ziocon operatives like Cory Gardner and Nikki Haley are.
Sen. Gardner Calls for State Dept. to Look Into Labeling Russia as State Sponsor of Terrorhttp://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/17/cory-gardner-suggests-probing-russia-state-sponsored-terror
ziocons… AQ/ISIS jihadis… Israel…
Implying that normal white people are oh-so peace loving? Deceit of the white mind.
The current rise of the Jihadis was primarily due to the evil of the western civilisation (when every one of you enjoys the spoils of that evil, every one of you is culpable for that evil).
To be sure, those who fight and die against the armed enemies of Islam, refraining from transgressing the limits of just war, they are the blessed, the martyrs. Every other “jihadist” can go to hell.
What requires decimation is the hegemony of the western civilisation, if required through self-”genocide” (see post above), and their implanted cancer in Islamic lands.
Turn the other cheek or not, “Christians” are still pagan polytheist human worshippers.
Christ(pbuh) and his virgin mother(pbuh) had nothing to do with such deceitful delusions. They were among the most blessed of True Monotheists.
All that might not even be necessary to bring on a crash. It looks as though it could come on its own at any time. Maybe the current bloat will be enough.
Then again, it isn’t a fair fight: we have G-d on our side.
What you have is Satan on your side. Your minds and souls are too rotten to recognise the difference.
If only the people living under “regimes” in all countries, big or small, powerful or weak, could put in place laws to screen all politicians for (a) basic sanity (mandatory sanity testing); (b) basic honesty (mandatory anti-crookedness testing); and (c) basic truthfulness (mandatory truth-serum testing) all problems of war and peace will be solved.
Now why does my mind keep wandering off into utopian territories knowing fully well that no politician anywhere will pass all the three tests? So let us sit back and enjoy the games of Russian Roulette. Hell, if we bet and get the bet right we may even make a lot of money!