Let’s be honest for a moment. “Diversity” has nothing to do with being diverse. “Diversity” means “non-white”.
Up until a year ago I taught at a public school that prided itself on being “diverse”. The school, and surrounding neighborhood, was dominated by Asians, mostly ethnic Chinese, then Vietnamese, a few Philippinos, a few Indians, a small handful of blacks and Hispanics and a few whites. The ethnic Chinese dominated. A few years earlier, someone had left a copy of an old yearbook for school in the teachers’ lounge. I thumbed through the book and noticed the “ethnic” makeup of the, supposedly, non-diverse student body. There were Italians, Germans, Scotch-Irish, English, Poles, French, Dutch, Swedes, etc., etc. A few blacks and a few Hispanics. “But” you would claim “they were all white and European” Yes, but today they are all yellow and Asian. How is one more diverse than the other unless you define “diversity” as meaning non-white?
BTW, I loved teaching at that school. Lot’s of very bright students who never create discipline problems. But I would not want to teach at a “diverse” school in Baltimore or Los Angeles. Just saying.

Wow. Big news there, Waldstein. More Mexicans in California, thus more Mexicans at Dodger Stadium. Is that the kind of brilliance that got you your New York Times job?

Oh, it’s so beautiful to see a “diverse” sea of brown…

… replacing blondes, redheads, brunettes, green eyes, blue eyes, brown eyes, rosy checks, freckles, red lips, tan skin, pale skin, olive skin, and pink skin. Yes, it’s great to watch California rid itself of all those monochromatic European gentiles, isn’t it, Mr. Waldstein?

I was down at the ballpark in Cleveland this summer and I seen two Chinamen! I don’t know what would happen if all them Mexicans showed up. I heard they eat snakes and lizards.

We don’t have none of that diversity in Cleveland. We only got, let’s see, Germans, Irish, Eyetalians, Hunkies, Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, and even some Jews. One of our best sportswriters is a Jew, fella named Lebovitz. Oh, yeah, and the colored folks. But they’ve only been coming to the ballpark since ’47 when Larry Doby came up. No, we have no diversity here. Just lots of different nationalities.

Mexican faces aren’t “diverse”. They all have dark hair and rust colored skin.

Waldstein should open his eyes, look out at the world outdoors. Instead what he sees is a projection on the inside of his skull.

Go outside, Waldstein. Look about you. White Europeans have the most diverse coloration of any population on the planet. There is no comparison. Africans, Asians and Hispanics are just varying hues of black and brown while we Europeans rejoice in our unparalleled variety of skin, hair and eye color.

(Another second-rate Jewish thinker playing an infinite-loop tape in his brain. Are they all this unimaginative and repetitious? And to think that some fool once told me that Jews were smart.)

“The diversity is fantastic,” said Jaime Jarrin, the Dodgers’ longtime Spanish-language radio announcer. “When I first started in this job, the Latinos coming to the ballpark were about 8 to 10 percent.’’ …

Jarrin, who is originally from Ecuador, has been broadcasting Dodgers games since 1959.

The term “Hispanic” didn’t exist in 1959/1960, but in 1970 Los Angeles city was 61.1% white, 17.9% black, 17.1% Hispanic, 4.8% other. For some reason the US Census doesn’t give current racial data for Los Angeles city, but Los Angeles County is 26.5% white alone, 9.1% black, 48.5% Hispanic (or 44.5% white Hispanic), and 15.1% Asian.

Jaime Jarrin has simply seen the city’s changing demographics reflected in the baseball stands. Interesting racial maps of Los Angeles from 1940 to 2000. (LINK)

I dunno. Just one man’s humble opinion, but there’s a lot of wishing and wanting in the article. I see the scenes from all around the stadium and all *I* see is a sea of White faces. Same for RedSox games, Patriots’ games, all the expensive sports leagues, a sea of White, heh..

Go on, tell me where I’m wrong..

Understand your sentiment. As California residents, we will be especially sad to have to leave. If California becomes an independent country or simply in open active rebellion against the fed gov and against other Americans, it will likely become too dangerous here for decent people of any background, especially non-Mexicans. Then again, things are going that way already.

From your mouth to God’s ears, as the old saying goes.

Hmmm I wonder what the adjusted demographic numbers are for the US if California does leave?

Really find it kind of surprising that I don’t blink an eyelash at the prospect of California leaving, seceding, whatever you want to call it. Actually I relish the idea.

Maybe the divisions in this country are more pronounced than I thought, and I already thought they were pretty bad.

California voters gave us the reelection of Woodrow Wilson in 1916 and the reelection of Truman in 1948, which led America to World War I and the Korean War.

It is time to disenfranchise CA once for all.

Water is an underappreciated issue, one of the major reasons, if not the primary for the secular, the Israelis won’t leave Palestine.

http://nguyen.cssrc.us/content/senator-janet-nguyen-issues-statement-regarding-her-forcible-removal-senate-floor-during

I think that we should note the difference in the response to the idea that California might secede opposed to the idea that Texas might secede.

Let’s look at a real secession attempt in North American: Quebec province from Canada. Some things I haven’t seen anyone considering:

1. California will be obligated to pay for their share of the national debt. There’s no escaping that one;

2. What currency will California use? Dollars? Why would the United States accept your dollars? California would likely be warned that they must create their own currency. Will the state allow a CalFedRes to create your money, getting into the same currency slavery as the old union? The smart way the U.S. government could fix this would be to make dollars in colors like most European and Canadian currencies are, making the old green dollars stick out like a sore thumb. Think of the exchange rate (buy rate) for California currency. Who would accept it? What if the U.S. government made a blanket decree that any foreign country must refuse to accept California currency or face consequences. Look at Cuba’s embargo still going on;

3. Water. A big one. Why should Colorado keep diverting its river west to California. California would have to negotiate a riparian treaty with the U.S. government, assuming that the federal government is not in revenge mode. There are plenty of places like Argentina that veggies and fruits can be purchased at a competitive price or lower;

4. Travel to the rest of the continental U.S. More than likely, as a penalty, Californians will have to apply for travel visas to cross the border wall that Trump or his successor would build on the California border. This would be an obvious necessity to keep out illegal aliens from all over the earth invading the 49 states of America;

5. Military bases. This is an interesting one. Unknown numbers of Californians working at these military bases would be let go, and American citizens brought in. If you think that California is going to take these bases and all their military hardware think again and think Guantanamo;

6. Border patrol and national defense. Where is California going to get the finances to create its own military? And is the state going to become a refugee state, if the legislation is passed that’s being put forward at this time? I guess there won’t be any need for border agents. The swarms of the unwashed fleeing the drug wars in Mexico south to El Salvador’s MS13 will be salivating to get to your open door;

7. Export duty imposed on goods to California like automobiles, trucks, heavy equipment, all that stuff. Remember, Trump is going to be forcing manufacturers to leave China and return to the U.S. One look at the penalties the U.S. has imposed on California will be enough to deter them from crossing the border, your border. Remember, he said any American company that creates goods outside the U.S. is going to pay a 35% tariff. And likely, any goods going TO California will be penalized with a tariff as well.

This is enough to ponder.

Better yet, if California were a reconquered territory, part of its “Reconstruction” could involve large population transfers across international borders. If you take my oh-so-subtle meaning. Just food for thought. Once California had been properly adjusted (presumably including a new state of Jefferson carved from it’s northernmost counties), it’s negative impact on our electoral process would be greatly mitigated. Some of those who’ve decamped for Texas and Colorado, might even return.

Net California assets easily exceed $10T so they could pay their current budget with a net asset tax (NAT) of under 2% and eliminate other taxes. Now, that doesn’t provide them with the military they need but if they blow off the moribund government bureaucracy, with its unfunded liabilities, increase the NAT to 4% (this is still a Huge tax relief from the US Federal tax burden) and put the budget into a $3.3k monthly citizen’s dividend to able-bodied men to finance their own weaponry, training and social services to their immediate locale, CA might just make it while the US collapses under the weight of its own unfunded liabilities, debt and institutional sclerosis.

With a citizen’s dividend, these men would immediately start thinking rationally about immigration. They’d probably build a wall along the Sierra Nevadas.

It’s an amazing idea.

Splitting bigger countries into smaller and smaller ones would make countries more equal. Russia, China, India, and the US will definitely split into warring factions sooner or later.

Probably India first – within a 100 years.
Then Russia, US, and China.

Too bad I won’t get to see it.

(plays Pixies’ “Where is my mind” – the closing track of Fight Club)

till, I do think many Californians instinctively understand that their living standards will plummet after Calexit, even those who are very triggered by Trump, so they’ll be doing a lot of “checking out” but very little actual “leaving.

Anything down to Redding should stay, the rest can go to hell (especially Stockton). As long as Shasta remains in normal lands, who cares. If not for fvcking Californians, real estate prices in Washington and Oregon would have stayed more-or-less realistic, they drove them beyond any common sense, SOBs.

I think we’re to the point that an amicable split, somewhat resembling the collapse of the Soviet Union

Dude, the collapse of the Soviet Union was neither amicable nor was it bloodless. Believe me, I was there. Peace, man.

I live here, in occupied California, and I’m 100% in favor of secession. Not that I disagree with your analysis. That’s spot on. I just, on principal, am always in favor of secession. I think almost every country is too big, and too populous, to be fairly governed. I’d rather see an upper limit of roughly Ireland, in both size and population, for any country. As such, I’d want to see a further breakup within California, after the initial split from the feds. It’s blatantly obvious that the conglomeration known as California is made up of at least 3 incompatible sectors, (southern coast, bay area, and everyone else) none of whom like each other, or has any desire to remain chained to the others.

I think we’re to the point that an amicable split, somewhat resembling the collapse of the Soviet Union, is the only way to prevent the civil war that we can all feel coming. I don’t think it’s imminent, but I do think it’s becoming inevitable. And the closer we get to a violent split, the less likely we are to have a peaceful one. Just give me enough warning to get out of this future third world hell hole before it happens.

On the subject of Americans’ views on Mexico, I think that can be attributed to exactly what Trump said in the campaign. Mexico doesn’t send it’s best and brightest. My impression is that the ones who come up here are the most ambitious of the unemployable. Mexico isn’t a bad place to live, if you have a decent job. So the ones who can get decent jobs are happy to stay where they are. The ones who can’t, come up here, leaving Americans to form their opinions about Mexicans in general, based off an unrepresentative sampling.

You’re right. We could even cause a reduction in California welfare programs — and/or a big painful hike in already-high California income and sales taxes — before cali secedes.

Cut all fed funding to pro-invader a/k/a sanctuary cities and watch the traitorous pricks scramble to tax the Hell out of the remaining working people to keep funding their Mexican welfare state.

You are right about Hotel California. Lots of checking out, but very little leaving. Not least because the mestizos know that their welfare benefits would drop drastically in an independent California.

If California seceded from the union, Trump could just declare war and invade it again. Then treat it like a conquered territory, not a federal state, and therefore ineligible to participate in future national elections

“We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow… ”

-Henry Temple

Thus, people change their position according to their interest. Only ideologues are loyal to one specific belief like blind men (over elephant). Likely it is some kind of psychiatric issue.

Obviously some people are virtual ideologues due to their fixed social position.

At least gang rape does not occur at these Southern California beach communities populated by the rich.

Gang rape however does occur in Panama City Beach, Florida during spring break. And that is because spring break there attracts people from all racial and economic backgrounds. It is the extreme opposite of exclusive.

It is always a bad combination when you mix NAMs, drugs, and alcohol altogether.

Racial conflicts to blind the leftoidist classicism.

they’re jerks but, in their defense, it probably keeps their beaches from looking like this:

If the lawyers were truly Machiavellian they’d put out a casting call for black surfers, film them getting hassled at the beach, then try to get the justice department to launch a civil rights lawsuit against the local police for failing to protect them.

Then post the video to various websites.

You could pull that of for well under what it’s costing them to file this lawsuit.

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I can understand how greater ethnic diversity leads to race being a stronger explanatory variable, simply by dint of mathematics, if you were comparing individuals to the multi-ethnic state average. But if you are comparing the white average to the Hispanic average, and ignoring the combined state average, I don’t see why a 90,000 white / 10,000 Hispanic sample should look any different than a 50,000 white / 50,000 Hispanic sample, just based on statistical artifacts. The study here seems to be doing the latter.

Do the beta weights here depend on relative population size? I don’t think they do. I’d have to look at it more closely, but I think the beta weight would be the same whether the Latino population is 10% or 40%, assuming the population makeup remains constant.

I suspect the increasing beta weights reflect a decline in the quality of the Latino population due to the influx of illegal, uneducated Mexican immigrants (often indigenous), and the increase in the academic quality of Asians.

Right. On the other end, people would publish something about how race didn’t explain much of the variation in North Dakota. The racial difference was about the same as everywhere else, but there were very few blacks in N.D. Since the authors were journalism majors or sociologists, you can hardly accuse them of lying – it ain’t a lie if you’re too dumb to know better.

Probably the contribution to R2 of race is rising because the variation in race is rising.

Eric–exactly right, nailed it.

There’s absolutely zero surprising here: There’s more racial diversity, so more of the total test score variance comes from racial diversity.

In the old 90-10 America–or for California 90-5-3-2 or whatever it was–the mean is close to the white mean, and most of the variance of any *individual* score from that mean is mostly going to be individual genetics and luck, with parental class\income capturing\explaining some of genetic variation.

But when you start adding more and more diversity, then more and more individual variation is explained simply by the large score gaps between the various racial groups.

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This is just simply a statistical example of something that is crystal clear to anyone not soaked through the gills in multi-culti propaganda:

Diversity generates stark differences in outcome and creates conflict.

When everyone is white your low score just means you’re stupid–that’s life. (And no big deal when you can run a punch press or swing a hammer and make a living.)
With diversity your low score means “racist society is screwing me and my people!”–a social and political problem.

Or short form: “Diversity Sucks”

The Black/Asian gap went from about 178 to 215, and the Latino/Asian gap from 140 to 200.

The Black/White gap closed slightly, while the Latino/White gap went from 175 to 200.

No info on White/Asian.

It looks to me like Latinos got a little dumber (thanks, illegal immigration), Whites and Blacks stayed about the same, and Asians did a lot better. The explanatory power of the “Underrepresented minority” category increased as a result because their status increasingly explains that they’re not Asian.

But about half the change was already in place by 2005.

They changed the SAT in 2005, making it easier and shorter, which gives a big assist to those kids preparing 80 hours or more.

I haven’t read the study, was Geiser only using California residents, or UC applicants?

I’d think that that would have been the case, but the predictive power of a parental college degree seems to have been flat, maybe declining a little.

Implications?

Yeah, more need to hunt down and out the insidious racism in every white and make up for it with more affirmative action.

Parental education has lost comparative power as a predictor of achievement because college degrees are given away for the asking.

Race (a less varying variable) has thus increased in predictive power.

Implications?

This is pretty puzzling to me. Why the increase of almost 50% in the explanatory power of race since 1999? That’s only 15 years. It corresponds to the cohort born starting in 1981.

It looks like the BW gap is fairly steady, but the Black/Asian gap has widened.

Maybe an influx of smart Asians to Silicon Valley, where the high paying jobs would also drive up the explanatory power of income? The smart Asians/tech workers in the valley have a high income and smart children. Is the SV population large enough to drive these effects? I wonder if you could break it out the data by region.

Good point.

Another thing is, did they try fitting more than that one model (and btw I hope they didn’t really leave out the constant term…) Their “trend” could very well be an artifact of one particular model.

“New and surprising findings”. Amazing how easily surprised these folks always are. I don’t know how their “easily surprised” genes got carried down to them, since you would think their early ancestors would have been weeded out of the genetic pool by being ambushed by leopards, dire wolves, enemy tribesmen and so forth.

Probably the contribution to R2 of race is rising because the variation in race is rising. If the population is 90% white and 10% hispanic, race won’t explain as much as if the population is 50% white and 50% hispanic. Of course, once it gets to 10% white nad 90% hispanic the R2 will decline again.

This looks to me like it is just a mechanical effect of the Asian population growing and getting sharper at gaming the system. They are not an ‘underrepresented minority’, their population is growing fast, and their scores are going up. So that increases the gap between underrepresented minorities and non-underrepresented minorities.

I bet these charts would look totally different, with much less change, if it was just blacks and whites.

Its possible that the UC system no longer attracts the ‘best’ black applicants. Prop 209, to the extent UC adheres to it, passed in 1996 prohibited affirmative action admissions. This may have discouraged black students with good ( for black students) SAT scores from applying to UC as they could apply to other private Universities not subject to Prop 209. The tuition difference would likely be made up by loans and the willingness of private schools to eat the cost just to have more black students who met minimum admissions criterion.

I was thinking the same thing. Better nutrition, more equal access to schooling, etc., may have severely reduced the differences in “shared environment” among various groups.

That may be one of reasons that black test score improvement stalled after the early 1980s; they squeezed most of the juice out of environmental differences, leaving mainly innate IQ as the cause of the gap.

The expression “underrepresented minorities” seems rather odd.

A better expression would be “non-European-and-non-Asian minorities”.

I guess you’re only racist if you spell out that the explanation is genetic; if you leave open the possibility that the explanation is ‘systemic racism’, you’re ok. How much honking, in-your-face data can the mainstream explanation withstand? Probably, people are working out how to let it in from it in the dark ‘shadow’ parts of their minds. On the other hand we’ve had moments of shining HBD data clarity before and we’re still here.

The Washington Post has a piece front and center on their website this AM about NAEP scores, with the subhead noting large difference in scores between white and minority students as well as between different income levels. Yet reading the article, nowhere does the reporter actually provide an actual number – not for the national averages, by race, or by income. Why would they omit that information?

They did note an increase (again, no numbers provided) in DC’s scores…I think that would be relatively easy to figure out.

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How in god’s name can the black/white ratio be higher than the black/asian?

I thought most of the asians in California were from the “HBD approved” countries? You know, Japan, Asia, Korea,… Vietnam sorta.

There a lot of Filipinos there? Enough to skew this?

For all other racial/ethnic comparisons, test score gaps between underrepresented minority and other students have been growing. The Black-Asian, Latino-White, and Latino-Asian test score gaps have increased almost every year since 1998.

The fact that Black-White gaps have remained largely constant, whilst the gap between Black-Asian, Latino-White and Latino-Asian SAT scores have widened, prompts the search for causes.

Possible candidate cause…

Perhaps the cohort of Asians taking the SAT test now understand English better – because a higher proportion of them have been in the US longer and a higher proportion are second generation immigrants. This in turn prompts the obvious question – have the gaps widened because Asians are scoring better or because Blacks and Latinos are scoring worse, or a bit of both? Given that the Black-White gap has remained fairly constant, there is a hint that it may be Asians scoring better. What does the data tell us?

Of course the term Asian is misleading – it covers all from Istanbul to Tokyo. I also suspect that Asian immigration is quite selective, this may also be a factor. Asian Immigration by Indian Brahmins and clever East Asians from well to do families may be pushing Asian scores up.

The rise in the Latino-White Gap could be explained by the cohort of Latino SAT test takers scoring worse, because more of them are first generation immigrants with lower English skills. Again, given the broadly unchanging Black-White gap, there is a hint it may be due to falling Latino scores.

It could also be because Latino immigrants are increasingly from the Latino lower orders.

It should be possible to tease out further evidence from the data, supporting or falsifying these candidate causes.

This would also explain the rise in the ‘Under-represented minority’ (gotta love that term) upturn, you’d expect it as an artifact of the above.

I would say that’s racist, but it would eliminate all of the fun.

One expects that the underlying explanation of these trends is that environmental differences are mostly gone, and we are seeing the pure effects of genetics.

The moral/social paradox is that in a perfect meritocratic world, in which everybody has the same opportunity to succeed because their environments are in every key respect equivalent, it is genetics alone that engenders differences in outcome.

Be careful what you wish for.

Ya mean when Mexicans are in court you can’t ask them if they are here legally or not? Wow what a crazy country. Who thought of that rule?

Texas cares very much about fracking (never mind that the pollution generates miscarriages and birth defects) and other “freedoms.” But when women’s freedom is concerned, the Big Brother steps in and wants to handle the intimate females’ issues.
“…the budget for the Family Planning Network was drastically cut. Soon after … the Women’s Health Program in Texas came to an end. … those programs provided the vast majority of access for women in east Texas to get basic health.. Well-Woman exams, birth control and cervical cancer screenings.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-choice-group-moving-planned-parenthood-clinic-closed-texas-abortion-restrictions

Now one of the Planned Parenthood’ office serves for anti-choicers’ praying to God about fetuses. Sweet. Instead of demanding free prenatal care and universal health care for children, the Texan Christians have been eliminating affordable women clinics in Texas. Fracking and other kinds of poisonous pollution are of no concern for them, mind because it is easier to humiliate poor women than to confront the hypocritical well-connected corporatists.
The Texan legislating men (the loud mouth of X-tian persuasion) love their lavish health plans paid by taxpayers, and none of the legislating men wants to solve their health problems by praying to God. In the matters of health, the wealthy Christians do not trust God and prefer instead an advice of an expert atheist at a medical doctor’s office.

Anti-woman? Oh, puhleez. Give it a rest.

But “somehow” our laws only seem to destroy whites who dare to do the same thing. Heinous crime for us; commendable common sense for them.

Has there ever been a people as weak and stupid as we are?

Wanting our own country to be free of swarms of predatory foreigners is apparently bordering on calling for the burning of witches.

Pretty much it.

laws were passed against the Chinese that forbade them to …, marry white women,

I wouldn’t worry too much about that:

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

“Greedy Cheating Class White Liberals”
Wow!
How come then that the red states of Arizona and Texas (anti-women, anti-union, anti-social programs) have become inundated with the cheap illegal laborers? Plutocrats of all stripes love cheap labor and eagerly replace American law-wagers with the even cheaper and docile migrants.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/02/map_illegal_immigrant_population_by_state.html

Greedy Cheating Class White Liberals open and deliberate policy of low wage labor markets drives the very rapid race-replacement of The Historic Native Born White American Majority and the wiping out of America’s endemic and endangered species in the San Gabriel Valley and San Gabriel Mountains. Mexicans,Iranians and Asians packed in tight up to the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains. The Colonization will continue into the San Gabriel Mountains….surely this is much more important to talk about -discuss than the new SAT Test-and another round of PISA test scores….

The Battle for Blair Mountain never should have ended……..

the claim that a one bedroom apt. rents in Oakland for over 3000 dollars is ridiculous. maybe in a couple high rent joints.

close to the heart of Silicon Valley, a one-bedroom will rent for maybe around $2500, in a good upscale neighborhood like palo alto or menlo park. average.

the Peninsula is the garden spot of the universe. And the Chinese are getting hatred from whites i talk to who are much less concerned about mexers. The mexers are friendly and the chinks are rude, per everybody I talk to. And they are heavily into what used to be quaintly called conspicuous consumption. Thorstein Veblen…

Vulgar and money grubbing, lie cheat steal….that is the chink norm, not by my experience as I do not work, but by nice middle-upper whites I talk to. They are not reluctant to complain about the chinks. I only see their rudeness on the streets. When You are a pedestrian…watch out for the chink SUV, espec the female variety.

Cuddihy wrote the book on the Jews, The Ordeal of Civility, about the rude East European jews let loose on the streets of the East Coat. Apparently Jews have calmed down a bit. I dunno, but the chinks never will….look where they come from…Oriental Despotism, whether confucius, communist, or capitalist/communist. all tyranny and money. Name one “humane” cultural artifact of Chinese denomination. I even see jews mumbling about ‘em.

Joe Webb

Your comment about asians not taking pride in their work applies to the H1-B Indians in the tech field x1000. I work with hundreds of them, mostly nice folks, easy to get along with, but they see the tech field as a means to an end – a “respectable” position in management. I have yet to meet a single Indian contractor with any enthusiasm for technology. Their work clearly reflects that lack of engagement.

Although I must say, many of the Asians I have worked with do very, very good work. Some of them on par with the best American programmers. I have never experienced dishonesty from my asian colleagues either, but 5 or 6 examples does not prove a point one way or the other.

In my opinion, it’s not a genetic or racial thing, it’s almost totally cultural. White, nerdy guys like me build the best software because we eat, sleep and breathe the technology. Make fun of us if you must, but if you want your software to work properly, we’re your boys.

Two points:

1)There is no economic case for race-replacing The Historic Native Born White American Majority…tech field included.

2)Asians should not be allowed into America for they are a highly racialized nonwhite Democratic Voting Block enthusiastically voting Whitey into a racial minority on Nov 3 2016.

3) The very nasty Giant Snakehead Fish now destabilizing the State of Virginia’s Riparian Ecosystems….quite capable of ripping your Family Jewels off if you fall out of your kayak on the bucolic Potomac River.

In modern America, I think science/engineering is a very questionable career choice.

I think this is nonsense, and you are doing a disservice to smart young American kids by promoting such a view. There is a lot of alarmism based on a handful of cases of people being laid off and their jobs contracted off to firms with a preponderance of H1B workers. Find out the actual numbers on how many native born STEM graduates are unable to find a job and remain unemployed. The number would statistically be identical to what you would get if zero foreign workers were allowed. Now, one area in which there does seem to be discrimination is in laying off some older workers (those older than 50) in favor of younger ones. Since such older workers are almost all Americans, and many of the younger workers are H1B, rumors spread that natives are being replaced. Now, if there were no H1Bs, these older workers would still lose their jobs to younger native graduates, such seems to be the nature of the IT industry today. There is much to criticize about the operations of software companies, but your laments are completely unwarranted.

I am US bred/born from CA, now in WA. I have 2 kids with very different outcomes. One is on her way to a successful career, the other is one of the many who are just not cut out to be an engineer of any kind, and her life will be a bit trickier, in spite our our best efforts. This is surely the case in the former USSR as well as Asian countries. There is a select group that comes to the US, generally from privileged backgrounds, as others mentioned.

In addition, my wife and I both work with Asian immigrants that are well described in the article and the comments here. There is clearly in-group solidarity among them, and sometimes contempt that tech workers often have for Americans in general, if not outright revulsion at what they see of the American culture. And IMO their fears for their kids’ education is justified. After a generation or 2, they will see the same problems we see in the kids, from drugs, sexual confusion, crime.

We have also seen that the highly vaunted schools in our area are not delivering an education product quite as good as what we got back in the day. While our first kid was very bookish and likes being challenged, the other was not. Our first had teachers that inspired her, the second, none.
It’s an open question as to how a society like the US will cope when the majority of the native born kids just are not cut out to be software developers or mechanical engineers, especially when the bottom line message is that they just aren’t needed and will be undercut anyway (though the WSJ article mentioned above points out an alternative path for them).

Is California still cool?

I mean I think about the place, but have no real reaction to it at this point.

The California of the Mammas and Pappas, Beach Boys, the Summer of Love, heck Perry Mason, sure.

But modern California? It doesn’t have any of my headspace.

And to be honest I have never really thought it was terribly beautiful except along the coast. Too many of the wrong kinds of trees. You need Oaks, Hickories to make the place feel right.

Come to think of it, whole west coast has too many conifers.

Go back to Ho Chi Minh City and tell us how much better it is there.

Oh, come on! Like you’ve never complained about America yourself. Isn’t that our favorite pass-time here at Unz.com? Complaining about the US of A? That’s why I come here!

In general I don’t think STEM is the way to go anymore for young smart white men. With Silicon Valley and high tech companies in general importing H1-b workers by the millions to replace American workers – the handwriting is on the walls – we’re slated for extinction by the corporate and political elites.

I would agree. In modern America, I think science/engineering is a very questionable career choice. At least with law and medicine, you have a government license that protects you from foreign competition. As an engineer, however, your job can be off-shored at any time. Failing that, the company can just H1-B in some guys from Asia to do your job. It’s a real racket.

I congratulate you on giving your kids an excellent education. My observations show that the former Soviets are religious about their children’ education, hence the AP classes and the expensive private music lessons.
My point was, the teens in the US are not motivated to become engineers and the majority of them are not equipped to compete with the better educated (in sciences) Asian and Indian students.
Perhaps, the solution is the German system of hierarchical education, the perceived racial bias be damned.

I mostly agree with you. Here is some very interesting observation even from such a neo-liberal monetarist outlet as WSJ. Speaks volumes.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/daily-news-article/help-wanted-on-factory-floor/

AP courses are mostly for kids from a very narrow strata of ambitious, mostly well-off, students, among which Asian kids (India, China etc.) occupy a very large share. Overwhelming majority of the kids from both public and home school environments are subjected to the process of preparation for SAT (ACT) which are based not on the knowledge of the subject but mostly on the ability to “critically” think. That is why such courses as AP are introduced and that is why those courses are mostly for a very few. Then comes the comparison issue and that is where US public education in precise sciences gets blown out of the water. Studying partial derivatives or linear integrals in the 11th grade in some very few selective schools DOES NOT make education competitive, when the rest, which is an overwhelming majority of nation’s students, is performing on the level of math (SAT and ACT) which is best described as the 9th grade of European or Asian public schools. And then comes that very and most important thing–a SYSTEMIC education and that is what US public school system simply does not provide.

To annamarina, SmoothieX12:
I somewhat disagree with your statement about “physics and math and chemistry at the US high schools is laughable”.
AP courses in Calculus-AB and -BC were reasonably good for our kids; same with AP Chemistry and Biology. Sure, Physics in former USSR was better.
What is really great in the USA, my family’s new country, is the _ __freedom__ _ to choose (other side of your _valid_ statement “these classes are not even obligatory”.) Our two kids were allowed, even still in high school, not only to take AP ahead of time (for our son), but also courses in nearby University as “dual enrollment” students (for both.) That is something we even could not imagine in former USSR. We even did not have to pay for these courses. This is to be contrasted to subsequent college tuition. The main remaining problems were schedule and transportation: kids did not have driver licenses at the time of HS, we did not have spare car, and HS schedule was a must.

Robert Weissberg’s “Bad Students, not Bad Schools”,
http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Students-Not-Schools/dp/141281345X/ ,
covers this topic well.

It is a hard fact that among the best Ph.D. students and researchers at the US universities are the hard-working and well-educated Asians and Indians.
American teens prefer to head for financial sector, for obvious reasons. In the US (that has become the Empire of Federal Reserve) one can lie and cheat on a grand scale and still make billions of dollars. The screwing of the US legislature was not done by the nerdy engineers of a brownish/yellowish tint, but by the pompous and verbose predators of Morgan/Greenspan/Summers stock.
The US has been producing an undereducated population AT ALL LEVELS. As a rule, a quality of classes in physics and math and chemistry at the US high schools is laughable; moreover, these classes are not even obligatory. The US kids en masse do not know the History of the US and they are totally ignorant about the world history. What else one could expect from an educational system in a country that cherishes financiers above everybody else?

Snort. We don’t have to speculate that, someday, America might become a declining sewer. It is that now. I’m sure you, Bryan Caplan, and the rest of the Asperger’s Patrol are very happy with your Amazon Prime and last mile fiber subscriptions, though. Just think how great it’ll be when it’s all delivered by drone!!!1!

This article was so long winded it was hard to tell what the point was. Yes foreigners drive up the price of real estate, and natives are often driven out.

But this dynamic happens everywhere. Just look at the expats going into Thailand and Mexico and driving up the prices for locals there. Should Americans be banned from living overseas?

Also whites may lament Asians coming in and pricing out whites, but how do you think blacks feel when they are gentrified out of their own neighborhoods?

Global change causing the draught? Doubt it! Southern and mid-California were always dray and barren until huge dams and sluiceways delivered water around the state. The sluiceways enabled water run-off straight to the sea with little effort to conserve it for future predictable water shortages.

California is a planners nightmare! Construction on the San Adreus Fault for one! Misuse of huge water resources another! Massive home construction on slopes ill suited for even trees. The joke is on Californians.. You live in a desert or what once was a desert and only the cactus and snakes survive. Plenty of California snakes for everybody..

No, they have already realized that the soulless cheaters do their companies no good.
Smart native born, well 3rd gen + off the boat, STEM grads will always have a job, they are more balanced and ethical. The drones can code in the back room.

I don’t agree with this. My siblings & I are Indian-Americans (born and raised here) and we’ve interviewed in tech, finance, and strategy consulting (they work in large-cap tech in SV and Seattle and I work in the northeast in consulting).

In our collective interviewing experiences with top firms in these three sectors, Indians/Indian-Americans (i.e. our supposed co-ethnics) were the hardest/most confrontational/annoying interviewers. The easiest and most friendly were white gentiles.

Atleast in my experience it doesn’t seem like I received a handout from indian-americans. In fact, even with networking, white gentiles have been more helpful in professional experience.

“& the doomsayers never get tired of repeating the same old crap.”

Go back to Ho Chi Minh City and tell us how much better it is there.

No more of this loser. He’s the Ta nesi Coates of Asia.

California does not have that many good places to live in. It is a harsh environment. The best areas have already been taken, massively developed, and now builders are working in marginal real estate locations that are steep, unstable, and prone to fire danger and flooding. There are going to be some catastrophic failures along the way, though there will always be people who want to live in such a great climate amid spectacular beauty.

I’ve been to The Basement during one of their comedy nights. It was so sparsely attended I regretted making my way down there, because I was totally noticed making my way back out.

“Even Oakland is rapidly gentrifying, and becoming very expensive, with the average rent for a one bedroom going for an astounding $3,078.”

Uh not really. Knock about 1k off that (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/eby/apa?). Still, point taken.

Thoroughly enjoyed this. That is all.

In general I don’t think STEM is the way to go anymore for young smart white men. With Silicon Valley and high tech companies in general importing H1-b workers by the millions to replace American workers –

Hi-tech industry is not just some code-writing and, however important, semi-conductors production–it is, and even primarily so, energy generating, machine-building, yes, military-industrial, aerospace, advanced materials and other fields. Without these fields all those “millions” of highly overrated Indian programmers will have no job. Producing some sh.ty iPhone crap for wasting people’s time updating their bowel movements on FB and producing modern CNC 6 axes machine are two different universes, and so is, as an example–producing and deploying constellation of satellites for navigation. Yeah, producing advanced jet engines is also a REAL thing–I can count nations doing this on the fingers of my one hand. That is the real STEM, not some IT BS.

Cheating, it’s a major problem among Asian students, they take to it like a duck takes to water. I knew several CS teachers who pulled their hair out dealing with Chinese and Vietnamese students who continually cheated in their CS courses. It’s a cultural thing – get ahead at any cost including by lying, cheating and stealing.

Competitive? Yes to the point of being rude and obnoxious. But worse they don’t take pride in what they do, so quality goes out the door.

It’s not just here either. In China, academic fraud of all sorts is rampant, at Beijing U. you can buy any sort of degree you want including a MD, complete with transcripts if you have say $4k.

They have doctors in China who can’t read blood panels or X-Rays because they bought their degree and opened up a clinic in some backwater area where they can’t be caught.

In general I don’t think STEM is the way to go anymore for young smart white men. With Silicon Valley and high tech companies in general importing H1-b workers by the millions to replace American workers – the handwriting is on the walls – we’re slated for extinction by the corporate and political elites.

And as the high tech companies become more populated with Asians, they will make life very hard on the gwai lo’s(whites) in the company.

And at some point most of these companies will cease to innovate and die as they get filled up with engineers who can only do copy cat and ripping off others IP.

Zuck is from the East Coast and met his wife in college in Boston before he became wealthy.

Yikes. California hate’n cockroaches comin’ out of the woodwork.

Dropout rates have historically been high in hard STEM courses, but nowadays two new problems have arisen to plague native (and reasonably close to native) students in STEM programs.

First, the public school system in North America seems to be in decline. Lunatics and incompetents have taken over the academic education racket, and they are pushing various crazy ideas that are damaging the quality of education delivered at the schools. I attended a conference in Canada a year ago, where the representative from the top mathematics department in the province mentioned that his department has had to revise its honors courses, because the quality of the incoming students has been falling for quite a few years, and the newer batches are unable to cope with the material their predecessors were taught.
The province I mention is by no means unique – I am certain that professors at most American states and other Canadian provinces can make similar reports.

On a different level, STEM is becoming less and less sexy. As Steve Sailer pointed out a few weeks ago, back in the day IBM was respectable and sexy. It was not bad to be an engineer.
Nowadays, the STEM programs at the universities are filled to the brim with Asians who are ultra-competitive and pushy when it comes to grades, do not shy away from cheating, are often painfully nerdy, and frequently barely speak English and avoid association with non-Asians.
STEM is no longer sexy. It’s not merely nerdy, it’s worse that. It is now a hard slog through material high school did not prepare you for, in an environment full of people who will go to great lengths to get ahead, and who do not have all that much in common with you.
For example, if you search around, you’ll find a weird article from a major Canadian newspaper, quoting some white Canadian kids who do not want to go to Canada’s flagship university because it is “too Asian.”

Drop out rate is way high in hard science courses

It is high, because the way such subjects as math and physics (more like the storytelling ABOUT physics) are taught in schools.

The Asians will eventually take control of companies – as the authors mentions, the guys in charge of Adobe and Microsoft are Indian.
What happens then?

They will continue to hire their co-ethnics and expand their demographic footprint, as any reasonably self interested group should do.

Interesting take, but pessimistic. The Hindu, Jew, and Buddhist haven’t built civilizations that compare to what the northern European Christian has created.

The parasitoids are in ascendance, and we can’t have nice things.

Thanks for your reply.

Drop out rate is way high in hard science courses . Not in the business or finances or economics . Drop out rate is much lesson medicine and law . Students can take loan and and dream and finish business courses hoping for job . Science. Engineering is not run by the loan so much as as by the degree to which the students could cope . A science or engineer is also more likely to payoff the loan. Medicine and law cost but by that time they enter the discipline ,very few are constrained by lack of resources .
About IQ , I would like to tell you I don’t believe that IQ differ that much country to country.

If a person with IQ 100 can understand the complex science devised and calculated or invented by some one
with IQ 140 ,then I believe some one with IQ 90 can also understand a lot of stuff that’s out here with help and patience .

The high tech will continue to thrive – but who will reap the benefits? Profits in high tech are extremely concentrated. A tiny software company that comes up with some silly “app” that the circus-crazed plebs latch on to can sell for hundreds of millions, money basically spawned out of thin air, and pocketed by a handful of people (the authors of the app and the “investors”).

What do those outside benefit? Nothing.

Also, I’m not quite sure what white Americans are trying to do with Silicon Valley. I’m not sure if they are thinking ahead. Because they won’t be able to just hang on to management and marketing positions and let the Asians do the work forever. The Asians will eventually take control of companies – as the authors mentions, the guys in charge of Adobe and Microsoft are Indian.
What happens then?

This reads like a beggar’s travelogue of California. Mexicans are a lot wealthier than they used to be. Some Chinese are rolling in the dough. Nothing to see here. People change. Technology changes. The electron takes care of us. Listen to the electron, study it, eventually see it.

Desalination was invented in California 60 years ago. Ya think California’s brainiacs haven’t been on top of the drought issue?
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You also wrote:
“Engineering education is not affordable in US.”

Education of lawyers or of MBAs, or of medical doctors: is it more affordable in US,
as compared to education of engineers ?
Respectfully, F.r.