I agree that main stream media’s portrayal of white conservative gun-owners as main perpetrators of gun related crimes is totally unjustified. However, in case of assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons, one could make a case that these weapons make mass murderers much more effective killers. So, if they were to use a handgun or a knife, they would have perhaps killed 5 or 10. But with assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons these same crooked people could murder 50+ people. However, with many guns already being out on the loose, and our government’s inability to enforce even enforceable laws such as border control and drug problems, I agree with the points some of the commentators have made that government may not be able to effective enforce gun control laws even if such laws were to be enacted by the Congress.

Racist much? There has been many mass murders in Africa, Asia, South and Central America and communist countries. Muslims and Jews guilty too. Jewish money is responsible for most wars. War is very profitable. Terrorism is meant to end freedom and liberty. The inner cities are loaded with unsolved murders by human animals. Point is we are all animals.

How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn’t? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?

The Brown SCOTUS pretty much called the Plessy SCOTUS dunderheads.

(About Plessy, that is. We’re still waiting to hear any SCOTUS question the same Court’s Wong.)

No, if an adult is too “mentally unstable” to handle a gun, he’s too “mentally unstable” to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc;

You left out the most important one. He’s too mentally unstable to be allowed to vote.

Whatever the purpose of the Second Amendment, it most certainly did not apply to blacks.

1638. Act X.
All persons except Negroes are to be provided with arms and ammunition or be fined at the pleasure of the governor and council.
–Virginia statute

Indeed but it surely isn’t a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.

Keeping guns out of the hands of the “mentally unstable” sounds great in theory, but it’s horrible in practice; no way in Hell I trust gov’t to do the job. They’re guaranteed to use it to infringe on sane people’s rights.

No, if an adult is too “mentally unstable” to handle a gun, he’s too “mentally unstable” to be trusted with freedom, driving a car, kitchen knives, gasoline, etc., etc., etc; the gov’t can lock him up if he wants to keep him from harming someone.

ThreeCranes says:
April 13, 2018 at 7:04 pm GMT • 200 Words

Good to know. Any thoughts on what 9mm ball does to 1/2″ ply? Only tests I’ve done was against unsuspecting pine trees, and it barely even penetrated the bark – bounced right off the wood underneath, barely leaving a mark.

Maybe 9mm is a better choice vs. overpenetration.

The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

Your assumptions are puzzling me here because you seem to be assuming that everyone is murdered, and, further, by someone of the opposite race.

I would assume that k interactions resulting in murder take place, depending on the bloodthirstiness of society. Then we should expect that (6k/26) of these murders would be performed by blacks, and (20k/26) by whites, and that the same proportions should apply to murder victims. I wouldn’t tend to think that population numbers would be the limiting factor in number of murder victims, since unless we’re entering civil-war-type scenarios most of the population will not in fact be murdered. Perhaps I’m not accounting properly for spree killers?

I don’t understand Mr. ECI’s jogging analogy at all, but since he has apparently called it quits I don’t think I ever will.

For a guy who believes in academic integrity you seem to carelessly misrepresent what others reply to you.
I mainly described a component of Black victims who do not cooperate because of fear, not because they approve of afro criminality.
Plus there is a distinction from afro ghetto crime which overtly plays out more in the open, as compared to Russian (or Italian etc) organized crime that is covert. Even when you have the typical resident who admires organized crime, they are not inside it to provide detailed info to the FBI. The organized crime must me infiltrated from the within, which is difficult to do.
As opposed to the example of one afro shooting another afro, in the street in broad daylight, in their own neighborhood, and the other Black residents refuse to cooperate because of either fear, or admiration.
If you were not so insulated in the pathologically naive world of preferred academia, this should be common sense to you (maybe you should read less and get out in the world a little more, then maybe you will obtain some useful practical knowledge on how things actually work… LOL, sorry I couldn’t help it).

Despite what Scalia J wrote for the court in Heller?

How come you know that and SCOTUS doesn’t? How come those dunderheads could have got it so wrong?

Sorry. Try #178

Maybe #176 is what he’s saying.

Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it’s never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they’re only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.
The rest of your “arguments” are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

That pretty much sums it up. But somehow I believe elitcomminc actually believes his own obfuscated sophist nonsense, pleasantly isolating himself from the real world (favoring the contrived world of academic make believe). I almost pity him when future harsh reality pays him a visit, with nowhere to hide. Then living in denial will no longer protect him from the violence, he so wishes to desperately ignore. [I guess he believes afro perpetrated violent crime doesn't exist, or the victims are all just making it up] Only in modern society can people live while denying reality. Prior to modern times this poor survival trait caused progressive minded people to die off. It is amazing that he appears to be so smart, yet so disconnected.

So 6/26 of murders would be by the black and 20/26 by the white?

The whites would murder blacks 6/26 (23%) of the time and blacks murder whites 20/26 (77%) of the time.

Contrast and compare with the actual.

I won’t go through it again. But suppose I am jogging down Brentwood. As I jog, I bump into a woman who happens to black. I turn a corner and lo and behold I bump into another black women. Then I notice nearly all of the women running on this side of the street are black. Interesting.

That night on the news, a lead in, “A man was bumping into black women on K street in Brentwood.”

Story:

“A man was targeting black women on K Street this morning while jogging. There were about ten black women in the lane and about three white women, but this man seemed only interested in bumping into the blacks. During questioning the man claimed he wasn’t aiming at black women, there were just more of them in the lane. I usually run along smith and there are very few black women there, but today I jogged east to K Street. An investigation has begun to consider acts of racist assault. One of the white women stated, “He never bumped into me — I think it was a racist act.”

Speaking of exercise . . .

Anyone attempting to anything among any population is going to impact the majority of that population — whether or not he is targeting X or B requires more evidence that he or she bumped into you and you because you are green.

The evidence and record is overwhelmingly against a certain population acting maliciously against another.

Take a guess what the record and history tells us about who targets whom more in depth, scope and breadth and does so using perfectly legal and illegal mechanisms to boot. I don’t support anyone committing acts of violence — but coloring a 98.5% of a population based on 1.5% distributed throughout the country that might interact less than .3% of a criminal element — in my view constitutes a degree of irrationality. 200 plus years of attribution to disenfranchise said group has done its work deep and well.

A further lack of response on my part is neither fear, lack of critical or disrespect to anyone. I am sure this will come up again with some other article —

You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn’t deal with it and abortion doesn’t make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?

You are one of a number of commenters who are anti- abortion. I am interested to know what your reasons are, apart from occasional bad effects on the mother or a potential father being upset. Since the Bible doesn’t deal with it and abortion doesn’t make sentient members of the community fear for their safety what is your argument? Is it one that you think should be enforced on those who disagree with it?

Indeed but it surely isn’t a reason not to try and reduce the availability of guns, and the deadliness of guns available to the mentally unstable, adoescent and criminal and to make sure they are kept safe from children and from theft.

Sex is one of those simple animalistic things blacks excel at, like dancing and fighting. But you sound like you are on the downlow too

Explain it to me. If these interactions are truly random shouldn’t there be a statistical equivalence between (# murdered of race X) and (# murderer of race X)? What am I mussing in the model here?

If I have twenty white bowling pins and I have six black bowling pins . . .

Nevermind. It is ever amazing that such knowledgeable people don’t get simple probabilities of random interactions . . . again . . . nevermind

Your a little late this has been addressed detail. I have never posited poverty alone. Not even close. And before you start to the races you might want to carefully read what I actually said, not what you wanted or hoped I said.

Your right, it has been studied ad nauseum. An d anyone actually reading what I stated would get immediately that I am not linking any one set or sets singularly. More importantly, any researcher that claims they are controlling for education, unemployment, levels —

Excuse me once you grant out the impacts are real and significant, you can’tr very well proceed to controlling them. None of these neighborhood are that static especially their relational dynamics. It’s great to isolate out those factors and then proceed to control for them by ignoring their interrelated nature as well as impact on family community structure, ethics of said community and it formulation –

You have jumped on a band wagon, I did not create. But I am not inclined to quibble an artifact that is not representative of the whole. And that is the issue here as indicated all throughout the article. There’s nothing that ignores the obvious. What there is a challenge top overall advance that blacks as a people are criminally prone. But it is of course appropriate fore you to narrow your advance — of some 1.5% of the violent criminals.

I also think think your example to population, income and crime comparison of value. It’s one example, though I do not in any way dismiss it. I am curious as to the relational dynamic, proximity, surely you are not comparing a rural community of similar population to one located in or near an urban environment. Be that as it may, I would hazard a guess that there are some white communities that have higher crime rates — when making comparisons, the variables in question must actually be comparable. I am not saying yours is not or that false comparison is being made here, what we understand about stats today and what constitutes validity in said circumstances matter. Given your tend to support overgeneralized conclusions — well, there it is.

Since you have completely missed the arguments and characterized the one you reference, it’s safe to say your comments about my polity, character, and ethos are just as incorrect. But it is a sign of the problem. Your obviously didn’t read my the lengthy discussion which says something about your generalizations of my character and politics, of which you know absolutely nothing —

One of the characteristics of serious researchers is prudence, a characteristic of conservatives I hear. And it is imprudent and careless to make the kinds of generalizations about an entire group of people based on these small data sets of a unique population. No one dismisses color dynamics — and I have in no manner avoided them. Since you are now standing on your head, it is safe to say I won’t rehash anything further.

Well , you do have one observation spot on correct — correlation does not alone mean causation. That bit of advance was unraveled in the 1970(?) — it’s great that you caught up.

but based on the data as well as what the data sets mean in the real world, your experience is fairly inconsequential to application to the whole. It is over generalized conclusions based on data that is very small to small to apply to a population which does not by data represent the characteristics that have been claimed here. They do describe 41,000,000. They may note 1.5% percent of them — maybe. But even they are a limited set to themselves with cast variations to environment, location and relational dynamics. Your experience applied to the general population has led to incorrect conclusions about a population set with data, from across the country over more than a hundred years on the record, indicates is incorrect. Yet those conclusions have been applied to a very specific population and it explains: segregation, denial of employment, heavy handed policing, destructive housing policies, a shallow system of politics based not on accurate appraisals but false conclusion derived from tainted and small data sets that set in motion an entire national ethos and policy meant to re-affirm the incorrect conclusions. It explains why German prisoners of war were treated with favor , even permitted benefits black citizens could no. It explains the voting practices and redlining and school dysfunction. It explains why the country imported whites who could neither speak the language, nor comprehend the country instead incorporating free blacks desperate and eager to make their way. It explains the mad scramble to have those false conclusions concerning DNA. Because the house predicated on being white once thought to have been a house built on bricks has turned out to be a house of cards resting on what Christ says is bad foundation – sand. It explains why this country still desires to import Mexicans, Yemenis, Syrians, Saudis on assumptions they are better for the country — and doing so at the same time immigration policy as a whole is undermining the very fabric of what citizenship means. Mexicans will be delighted to get the southwest territories back in presence and ethos despite the name. The point is that the human dysfunctions are not unique to the small set of blacks – doing so advances faulty and damaging policy.

No. you not only failed to identify a specific population, you failed to apply the conditions accurately as each has it’s own unique staple of characteristics, worse, even among “ghetto” or urban populations, those engaged in criminal behavior are not the majority despite the fact that poverty and its accompanying dysfunctions are environments that seem to foster criminal activity. And that is not a “black trait” that is a general trait for said conditions in even mostly white countries or brown laden countries. And in the US before blacks held those environments, whites: Italians, Poles, Irish, — what have you manifested as much — and some of course worse than others. But most poor Italians were not mafia members. Most Irish were not mobsters. Despite associations with the same. It takes far more work than noting skin color to make the assumptions being made. And given that 98.5% of the black population would not reflect the conclusions here — I am comfortable in saying blacks in general seem to be as most of the population, despite the load of incorrect analysis being hoisted on their shoulders.

There are blacks that are dangerous. No doubt. No doubt that dysfunctions that exist highest in poverty stricken communities breed a very dangerous element, but that would not a unique
“black thing.” But I can say without a doubt immigrating foreigners instead of ensuring as much access to black citizens has not solved anything save to bring about the a quickening death of the US, that has been going since the end of slavery.

I am sure various criminal enterprises would love to compete for the top slot of who controls their environment and thwarts police activity the most effectively. The tough Russians or the wily Bloods, MS13s, the stalwart Irish or the sophisticated Italians . . . bottom line fear intimidation, maintaining a sense of control and order has no parent nor any single unique place to rest. — I am confident they would all claim rights to not cooperating. My suspicions is that the police do a better job of not telling from the officer on the beat to the District attorney’s who conspire to violate the law – in the name keeping people safe. No telling is no unique neighborhood’s or color population’s ethos. I find it a tad discomforting that you explicate Russian toughness as unique –as though it matters why they don’t cooperate — the fact is as you admit – they don’t.

Ohh good grief, stop with the references to theory. We are talking about the numbers and how the numbers as applied do not yield the generalizations that are claimed to the whole of blacks. That cat is out of the bag. You can back pedal to smaller and smaller groups, but the fact is what has been on display in article after article in comment after comment are a series of incorrect assessments which reflect a history of policy and ethos treatment of the black population on the whole.

your comment that I have made any attempt to deny any aspect of the events or conditions is incorrect. I have at no time avoided dealing with the characterizations nor have I attempted to defend, excuse or dismiss any. i have foolishly and forthrightly tackled the issues as they arrived. And if I missed any contend, that was an organizational error, not one of avoidance. I have tolerated personal insult, entire characterization and even reorganized comments destroying the content and context in which I made them. I have taken the time to unravel those deliberate or accidental characterizations and I have done so as objectively as I possible. I carry my fair fair share of wrongs to my person, maybe even more than my fair share. This is life is not fair, but that is neither excuse nor cause for me to be unfair to others or to dismiss unfairness against others. Because i am a conservative, blacks are all to happy to have me tossed out as are a host of liberals. But that cannot lead me to a path of discussion rooted on that alone. I will always embrace being told i am naive as a sign left of my own innocence. But I have not denied a single event because it’s hard to look at. I have indicated that the lens is either incorrect, infused with dirt, out of focus, or completely incorrect leading to incorrect conclusions. it may very well be that tomorrow, while on my rower one the rascals slips into my home and takes my life — if that person were to be black, that would not change the data sets one iota. It would reflect that i ran into one of the .3% percent who might engage in such behavior. My understandings of social realities is not to cause for someone breaking into my home, my car, my life. If I was killed buying drugs, then one could say, my behavior placed me in harms way, but that death would still be in the context of the data. Nor would my death confirm your own incorrect assessments.

In the end most blacks are not after anyone’s weapon. There’s no evidence that the blacks that are after weapons want them for the purpose of killing whites in the future. There is evidence that more whites want everyone’;s weapons than blacks. In fact, there’s more evidence – even here that whites, if said commenters are white would prefer to:

get rid of the black population by

killing them in the womb

replacing them with noncitizens – despite the results of doing so staring them squarely in the face

moving them all to one local and denying them access to their citizenship – ignoring the real world consequences of having largely do so

I will state for the record again, the worst US citizen is worth more to me than any foreigner. I don’t need Pres Putin or PM May to solve or tell me how solve the social issues in the US. And i don’t need to hire foreigners instead of my fellow citizens regardless how much they may hate me or i dislike them.

I think I have said far too much for far too long, especially as one who doesn’t fancy or takes to writing. Any lack of response in the future is by choice not by lack of critical response.

“I’m not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock.”

Are you kidding me?

I took my shotgun out into the back yard one day, set up a sheet of 1/2″ ply and shot various loads into it from various distances.

Why plywood?

Here’s an experiment I encourage every one of you (still reading this thread) to try. Take a scrap piece of 1/2 or 3/4″ ply say, 2′ x 2′ and lay it on a stump or whatever is is you split your firewood on. Grab your best axe or hatchet from the woodshed. Sharpen it good and sharp. Now address the ply with a good shoulder width apart, square stance, lift the axe over your head and bring it down as though you were trying to impress your girlfriend at the county fair when swinging a wooden sledgehammer at one of those make the bell ring affairs.

What happened? Your axehead may have penetrated a bit through the ply, but not much. Ply is really tough stuff.

So, back to the shotgun. If I remember correctly, even #7 birdshot will blow a fist sized hole clean through a piece of 1/2″ ply from 15 yards.

Double aught Buck shot would go through sheet rock like a bull through cobwebs (at any reasonable indoor distance).

The Militia is the People and not the treasury-draining army. It does not matter whether the 2nd Amend. was originally put there to put down slave revolts, foreign invasions, enable hunting or to give pause to a post-WWII non-elected Neo-liberal predatory cabal such as the one that now runs the US. The 2nd Amend. is an Inalienable Right for defense of the individual citizen against two-legged predators- no matter their origin. The violence- prone hunter-gatherer US Afro sub-population that has been purposely dispersed by the US government into the White suburbs of the US is a reason to have privately owned firearms.

I do have a response here — but i have to take some time before i decide to post if at all.

There are several points I would take issue with. I am just not sure it is necessary given my previous responses.

“86% of white murder victims are killed by whites.”

In other words, ethnically cleansing Whites from many urban areas (so-called “White flight”) did allow them to partially escape from Negro violent crime (including murder), due to less daily contact with Blacks. But a Black is still 26x more likely to murder a White than the other way around, and Blacks, at 13% of the population, still commit >50% of the homicides in the country.

Are you claiming that we should be grateful for these vastly disproportionate levels of Negro violent crime? Or merely that we should ignore them, and focus on some imaginary epidemic of Black men who dindu nuffin being killed by da popo for no reason at all?

Just curious.

Addendum, it’s best to have at least 2 or 3 weapons in your chosen calibers (preferably weapons as similar to each other as possible, so they can share parts, mags, and manuals of arms), with emphasis on important calibers like 9mm and 5.56, before you start buying your strictly SHTF/mothballed guns.

So in the above example, you’re looking at having like 35 guns before you even start on the second-order guns. Like I said; “serious” collections.

No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense.

The ideal is to stock up on guns and ammo in selected calibers, and for extra credit also buy at least one firearm in various popular calibers that you don’t stockpile ammo for, so you’ll have something that shoots found/gifted/whatever ammo.

E.g:

Stocked calibers:

.22lr
9mm
.308
.357
5.56×45
12 gauge

Most of your guns fire rounds listed above, but you also keep at least 1 gun in:

.380
.38
.45
10mm
.40
.44

7.62×39
7.62×51
.270
.300AAC
7mm Remington
30-30
30-06
.338 Lupua

20 gauge

Etc.

Obviously this is if you want a “serious” collection; most of us will short of the ideal. If you just want an adequate home defense collection, buy 9mm and 5.56, and pistols and ARs chambered for them.

“in the lowest of the low income arenas blacks seem to reflect the same dysfunctions that exists among the previous owners on inner city life – occupying the ladder that blacks in larger numbers now own. And lo and behold, they also have the same disproportionate crime stats.”

No. Not this “poverty causes violent crime” canard yet again. Sad. Apart from the obvious problems with the face plausibility of idiotic assertions like “poverty makes people rape/ engage in random murders/ etc..” this bald-faced lie has been directly disproven multiple times.

One example: the poorest White area in America has a lower crime rate than the wealthiest Black area.

It’s not as if no one’s ever studied this. In the social sciences, a correlation coefficient in the .3 range is considered to be fairly significant. The correlation between crime rates and various SES measures (poverty, education, unemployment levels, etc.) is in this range– around .28 – .35. No one on the Right denies that this is significant, of course. Correlation between crime rates and race (% of population that is Black and Hispanic)? .81

Controlling for poverty, education, and unemployment only reduces this to 0.78 (suggesting, of course, that much of the apparent poverty-crime correlation is an artifact due to higher levels of poverty among Blacks and mestizos).

http://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

In graphical form:

It’s very rare to see that level of correlation in any area of social science. Yet ignorant, deluded (or deliberately dishonest) race denialists like you just step over it. Pretend that it’s never been studied. Ignore it. Almost as if they’re only willing to accept facts that accord with the beliefs of their cult, or something.

The rest of your “arguments” are similarly toxic stews of pilpul, sophistry, cant, and mere blabber, of course. Sad.

“What is the problem in America with starting on a chipping away at gun crime”

Stop right there. That’s your entire problem — a false embedded assumption; framing the issue in a deliberately distorted manner.

Replace “gun” with “Negro” in that sentence (a more accurate characterization of the problem). Do the policy implications differ?

You can’t possibly be as stupid as you pretend to be. Are you really incapable of comprehending such a simple concept as “per capita?” The relevant stat, as regards to a realistic assessment of the risk of a stranger attacking you for no apparent reason, has nothing to do with the total populations. It has to do with the characteristic of the group that stranger belongs to. Or do you somehow believe that every person in the country comes into contact with every other person in the entire population, every day?

Using 2010 data:
the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa. Moreover, blacks who committed violent crimes chose white victims 47.7% of the time, whereas whites who committed violent crimes targeted black victims only 3.9% of the time.*

In other words, a Black who sees a random White male walking towards him has nothing to fear. A White who sees a Black male stranger walking towards him is quite correct in appraising that individual as markedly higher risk to commit random acts of violence.

*According to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), an estimated 320,082 whites were victims of black violence in 2010, while 62,593 blacks were victims of white violence. That same year, according to the Census Bureau, the white and black populations in the U.S. were 196,817,552 and 37,685,848, respectively. Whites therefore committed acts of interracial violence at a rate of 32 per 100,000, while the black rate was 849 per 100,000. In other words, the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa.

At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.

True. The Constitution is perfectly sufficient to address the matter. People say “if the Founders knew the technology that was coming,” bla bla bla. But the Founders left perfectly functional options in place for Amending the Constitution. If a restriction becomes so obviously needed that any fool can see it, then everyone will agree, and the Constitution can be Amended to reflect the consensus. The trouble is, leftists don’t have the support of such a consensus, and can’t get broad support for their goals. They run around shouting with their wigs half-off as if it were obvious that they have the support, but they don’t.

I’m no gun expert at all, but I’m pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

Shotguns have their uses, but no, they are not generally “the way to go” for home defense. They are locked into a rather unfavorable form factor, because their capacity is tied to their length (exceptions like box-fed and other newfangled mechanisms that probably haven’t caught on for good reasons, notwithstanding). Put another way, a pump shotgun with sufficient firepower is too unwieldy. An AR is a much better choice. Shotguns have their uses, but ARs are a much more popular home defense choice, and have been for years; the form factor is much better (far better firepower:length ratio), for one thing. Also, pump shotguns are way too slow to reload. The one good thing about shotguns is that if you use shot shells, the rounds are stopped by almost anything; I’m not sure buckshot will even penetrate sheet rock. So if your main concern is overpenetration, shotguns are a good choice.

So I’m told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

People press their own ammo at home, in every caliber you can think of.

RadicalCenter’s reply is good enough, but I will add “do you know what a thousand rounds is?” Let’s just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18″ x 6″ high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That’s over 10,000, but is that an “arsenal”? According to the Lyin’ Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.

1k rounds of .22lr weighs roughly 7lbs, IIRC.

If you’re worried about the future, you don’t want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers – it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet – and it will.

Guns and ammo are a good investment. Any financial planner will tell you how important diversification is. IMO, that includes a share in durable goods. There are no more durable goods than firearms. They’ll last for generations, given minimal effort to store them properly. Ammo has a really long shelf-life, too. It’s easy to make a bit of coin by selling during panics, and then buying again when prices have dropped (though I recommend having a core stock not subject to sale, except to rotate out and replace the oldest ammo).

For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I’d prefer to be 6′ 6″ with some MMA training.

I’d take a good knife over MMA training, any day. A knife is a much better force multiplier than training is. Well, physical training, anyway (nothing is more important than being psychologically prepared to defend yourself). TBH I think I’d rather find myself stuck in a woman’s body and armed with a knife and facing a man armed with a knife, than be an unarmed man facing a man with a knife.

Best to have both a firearm and a knife; TL;DR version is, at a certain (close) range, blades are more deadly than firearms.

Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.

Why the FBI is being offered as an honest, impartial source for information is beyond my ken. They’re federal employees; they’re as likely to give you a pile of politically-correct horseshit as the truth.

If you like a shotgun – buy and keep a shotgun. I have a tactical shotgun but I’ve never pulled it out and pointed at a home invader. I have done that with home invaders with my handgun – twice.

For the short ranges that are involved in most home defense the scatter of a shotgun is irrelevant, But shotguns are cost effective. You can get a perfectly lethal shotgun for peanuts. Don’t bother with analysis – just get one and put it in your gun safe.

I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior.

Uhh, …world wary experiences in harsh reality (which at times were potentially life threatening).

That is not unique among black populations.

I did not make the claim that Black populations everywhere adhere to this; merely Blacks living in afro american urban ghettos, who follow their own rational self interest by not making themselves a target of retribution, for cooperating with the criminal justice system (but maybe I was not specific enough?).

Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs.

True, but generally Russians are an unique breed due to their exceptional toughness.

You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.

Maybe you are better off to a certain extent, but it does leave you somewhat vulnerable (I never claimed I like the way I am, but simply a product of what was learned from my own & others tribulations; despite your past desperate attempts to deny their existence).

So be it if you are unwilling to believe me (that is obviously your choice); however an over reliance on the latest social science theory may distort a true depiction of what is actually occurring, potentially compromising your future physical survival, not mine (many academic ideas fall out of favor, failing the test of time… An academic social theory that is unable to stand up to the scrutiny of daily uncontrived direct observation should be considered to be invalid).

Some of the common motifs/knowledge may lack experience, and seem to be supported by preferred confirmation bias, untested against a brutal/unforgiving world (existential threats to your life has a way of eliminating ineffectual defense mechanisms). Just because one wishes to avoid thinking about uncomfortable truths does not negate their existence. Again (as in the past), I wish you luck.

For a street thug, I would prefer he had a knife, if I had a gun, and he was still > 5 yards away from me. Inside of that, I’d prefer to be 6′ 6″ with some MMA training.

This is hopefully hypothetical for me, as I’d really prefer to know ahead of time that I’m in a bad spot, and this guy looks shady. Often just showing that one has a gun can put the kibosh on violent crime by non-professional thugs.

For a burglar, a good dog is best, so that I’d at least know well ahead something is up. Then I wouldn’t care so much what weapon he has once the glass starts breaking.

With all sincerity, I am saddened that you experienced any manner of criminal act on your person —

I agree that said experience can be life changing and skewer one’s a priori view of others. I would that I could say, I have had no such experience(s).

RadicalCenter’s reply is good enough, but I will add “do you know what a thousand rounds is?” Let’s just talk .22LR. One could have just 1/2 a carton (say 1 ft x 18″ x 6″ high), open on top with maybe 20 boxes of 550 rounds apiece. That’s over 10,000, but is that an “arsenal”? According to the Lyin’ Press it is, but it may just just a stock up at a good price that could last for 6 months or a year for the family to go plinking regularly.

If you’re worried about the future, you don’t want to imitate Mad Max, BTW. He was not really ready for what happened to his family in the 1st movie, and in the 2nd movie, none of those guys were preppers – it was a real shit-show. No, having various calibers bought at reasonable prices well before TSHTF is just common sense. The .22 LR may even serve as a good currency for a while after the US $ goes down the toilet – and it will.

Sounds rational and indeed reasonable. My widowed mother had a very rich cattle owning paaaartner late in life. He was a small old man but he surprised me by saying he had a (licensed) small revolver as he lived nornally in one if Australia’s safest cities. If I lived off the beaten track in the country I think I might, especially past youth and strength, acquire a hand gun as well as the rifle and/ or shotgun for the rabbits and foxes (and maybe dingoes and snakes – apparently killing the cockatoos that can strip a tree is not allowed; query fruit bats). In youth I was in rifle teams for a couple of major trophies so I don’t have any relevant emotions – apart from regret at not having worn hearing protection.

Same point to make as about suicide…. Who wouldn’t prefer that a burglar or street thug had a knife rather than a gun?

Mr. Paul Kersey,
Your fact-heavy output is appreciated sir. God bless.

At a minimum, anything a cop can have is covered by the Second Amendment. Yeah, that includes belt-fed MG-42s, body armor and M16A2s.

That is not unique among black populations. Nothing and I mean nothing you have mentioned is unique to black populations. Every word you have uttered is a factor among any population anywhere on the planet.

Russians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Native Americans, Irish, Italians, Indians, white, black, brown, yellow, peach, tangerine . . . even non criminal entities practice closed dynamics . . .

I am unclear where you and others get these peculiar notions about human behavior. It’s disconcerting that there are so many false narratives wading on the tips of tongues intelligent and powerful people. Watch any crime program — numerous stories of young students participating in murder, aware of the murder, know where the body is, take their friends to see the body and never say a word for months, years — white kids. rural farmers battle with criminal thieves, even rustlers who don’t rat each other out – despite being neighbors to the victims – whites.

Ask the FBI which is tougher to break a black group of youths in a gang or members of Russian gangs. You are correct, I am naive — and I thank God that bitterness hasn’t completely eroded that bit of my character. But the comments I am making are common motifs and common knowledge.

“Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans.”

Too true. Our neighbors in Western Washington were dairy farmers. All the family farms from the 1940-1950′s had sold out to the one Big Man left standing. He rented all their nice old homes to his Mexican help who were and are, essentially, serfs on his feudal manor. And I’m not speaking hyperbolically. They lived on his land, worked every day of the week, milked at all hours etc. American farming practice has returned to the Middle Ages.

The Big Man drove around in his suburban, wore khakis and a polo shirt. Never got his hands dirty or his boots muddy. He told us one day, “I should have bought your farm when it came on the market”. We had purchased what was left, 5 acres, of what had been an old dairy farm that had been homesteaded by the original Swedish family for over a century.

The Big Man didn’t want any small holders around because then he had to take some care when he sprayed, which was weekly. We still got doused in insecticide and fertilizer even though we would take precautions whenever we saw the spray trucks getting ready to do their thing.

We are a long way from the Jeffersonian ideal of the small yeoman farmer. On the self sufficient farm a man, his wife and children became capable and strong by the demands, responsibilities and discipline that farming imposes on people. Now we are a nation that regards truly independent people as enemies to be stomped out, autarchic anachronisms.

The NRA probably is too powerful, but it’s certainly no more powerful than AIPAC, and it’s a helluva lot less harmful.

It is no coincidence that the NRA is a target while Planned Parenthood skates given that they both make roughly equal political contributions…

Laugh,

Unfortunately,

you are mistaking the events of 9/11 to black citizens. Furthermore, until perhaps, 9/11, no group has been under more scrutiny,. surveillance privacy violation and suspicion than blacks. The use of terrorism may be a convenient excuse to the attitudes of the black population — but that mess was the result of the leadership exclusively white tending to stoke fears for power position and war making . . . blaming black people for that is more than over the top.

I am unclear why I am would entertain seriously anyone who supports murdering children in the womb – for any reason. You are afraid because less than .3% of blacks might, maybe, bump into you randomly and do an act of violence. Hey I understand irrational fears. It might be justified to that small percentage of whites who might that experience. But honestly, if that fear resides you — you might want to stop feeding it.

One just has to get over the fact that blacks are the overwhelming legitimate concerns from whites. And while I think it is problematic – I would be a liar if I didn’t admit there’s whole sale justification. Far more by a solar systems breadth of justification. I have been schooled, taught in both private and public systems, worked among and with CEO’s and staff of private companies. And by far — it’s the black person at whim of whites regardless of their status, financial position or expertise. I won’t say that it is all justified, but the data sets back up that reality.

Relax, whites have a long way to go before our society is equal enough for you to be afraid any black person instinctively.

LOL, I think you watch too much television (despite being completely misguided, there is an innocence in your naïveté, that I find endearing).

You are correct that detectives depend on community cooperation, but that does not mean they always get it. Many Black witnesses/victims legitimately fear reprisals since they reside in the same neighborhood as the offender. They can forward information anonymously to arrest an offender, but that anonymous info is not evidence for court room purposes. That is one reason why convictions are so low as compared to actual arrests, and arrests are lower than the actual criminal occurrences (which are not all reported).

I truly hope (and I am being completely sincere about this) you never have to learn the hard way. ["Don't Put Your Hand On That Stove" !! but I know you won't listen]

You took the words right outta my mouth, Sondjata.

I have been targeted with violence for being white, and the complex process I used to reach that conclusion is that the attacker was African in both cases and talked hateful “die white mother—–” crap to me while attacking me. Not amenable to any contrary interpretation.

Elite, man, you are a smart guy with a lot of insights, but please don’t underestimate the extent of explicitly anti-white intimidation and violence in the USA nowadays. It’s not rare and it’s often not subtle or ambiguous.

There’s this little practiced matter in criminal cases — it’s called motive. I noticed your comment has no references to just how that was determined. Just because get smacked in the head by a red head does not by itself mean I was attacked for being green eyed.

Further, I have no doubt that some number of whites get attacked just for being white, but one cannot know that simply by looking at the numbers. That is the kind of simplistic explanation hijacks color game. The recorded history on such behavior clearly weighs against whites as to cause and is well documented.

Note: I did not say it doesn’t happen. Apparently, you and the articles author are on the same shallow page — one of the vital issues when assessing criminal cases is motive. Sometimes motive is so hard to determine given the issues – that some locals don’t even require it.

It would do well, not make arguments I am not making such as — color is not factor in criminal behavior against whites. I didn’t say that and I did not suggest that.

What I said again — is that just because a black person has committed a crime against a white person does not mean it was motivated by the persons whiteness. The reason such cases are easier to make for black people is very simple — the vast national practice in which whites attacked blacks merely;y for being black:

black on the beach
black disrespect
black dating flirting married to white person
blacks seeking job
black buying a home -0 wrong neighborhood
black with money
black with no money . . . .

being black.

The history of discrimination based on black anything is just a hard hurdle to ignore.

If anyone needs reality check its anyone claiming that said color motivated crimes by blacks is in any manner the magnitude, scope and consequence in every aspect of citizenship the same for whites — even color is indicated as the motive.

No my comments do not condone, excuse or in any manner suggest that such motivations (skin color alone) are justified.

Some fancy themselves heroes, to be sure. But the rest of us don’t expect that we will be able to buy ammunition, at least for quite a while, in the aftermath of a social-collapse event. And any available ammo probably would be terribly jacked up in price, depriving us of money needed for also-scarce and inflated-price food and water.

Would it be smarter to risk running out of ammo, or running out of money to buy both food and ammo, if that situation persists for a long time?

Some people who keep that much ammo on hand are nutty, but I’d wager most are not. Certainly there is nothing inherently illogical about keeping it on hand. Better to have and not need, than need and not have, as the old aphorism goes.

Also, a couple can go to the range a couple times and fire off hundreds of handgun rounds practicing in a month. Could go shoot skeet or trap and use up over a hundred shotgun shells easily, as well.

Given the extremely high HIV infection rate in the African-American “community”, among other reasons, skip it.

Well said, Mr. Newman.

I’m no gun expert at all, but I’m pretty sure that a shotgun is generally the way to go for indoor home defense. Have handguns, too, by all means, but the spray from a shotgun makes it harder to completely miss: best chance of at least wounding that home invader so he is slowed down and bleeds out or flees.

So I’m told by people who are experienced shooters (both retired military officers, one a former instructor of a Gun Self-Defense Course for women, and they even make their own ammo with their own big-ass machine at home).

I always find it sad to think about which guns are best at blowing people apart in different contexts and settings. “Man’s inhumanity to man” and all that. But then, it’s even sadder to think about what home invaders do to innocent people if they’re NOT met with firearms.

By invading our home or business, the invader is the one ensuring that there may no good way out of the situation for either of us. F— ‘em.

Dunno, in the USA, it seems to be nearly universal in their misnamed “communities.”

Well said, sir, and thank you for pointing out what I’ll call my “myopia” on the subject.
My own direct experience with blacks is largely restricted to my time living in Oakland CA some years ago

Well do not be too hard on yourself because unfortunately what you described earlier is the preponderance of behavior from afro americans (especially in Oakland, which is a rough town, definitely not cupcake). The urban ghetto version of radical afro predatory behavior is what dominates, and holds sway over the afro american culture (to which pandering progressives seem to contradictorily both praise it, but dismiss its occurrence).

As such that is what is destabilizing our civilization with unsustainable debt (from the insatiable, ever increasing, welfare entitlements provided to afros at taxpayer expense, resulting in unpayable burdens for future unborn generations to come); and afro animosity that breeds contempt for its host society to the level of a de facto race war. When this enormous debt cannot be continued, and the free welfare checks stop being handed out to afros, the race war between us will most likely become a hot one.

This is my dreaded fear, but stoically I accept it as almost inevitable, therefore I say we must prepare for this hardship. Humans go through low & high points in history, so this is not unusual (just depends where we are living in history). Our job in this wave of history is to carry it forward through the trough portion, so it may peak again. We may not benefit by seeing the next peak, but we can carryon so future generations can enjoy it benefits (and take it for granted again where it will begin to decline). Sorry I do not have a better answer, but it is what it is (hopefully human history will learn from its errors).

It’s terrible to say, but I wonder if pro-life people understand that this country would be inundated by Africans and become an incredibly violent African/Mexican-majority country without legal available abortion.

Imagine the daily Hell and terror of life in a USA that was even 25% African, let alone 50%.

Letting people of any race murder their babies before birth is no acceptable answer to anything if the woman’s life is not in danger. The answer was NOT bringing the Africans here in the first place, or sending them back to Africa (a much bigger “Liberia” project) long ago. Too late, obviously.

Now all of us have to put up with increased restrictions on our civil liberties and privacy — including “gun control”, constant surveillance, and excessive police power — because a certain meaningful segment of the population actually can’t be trusted with freedom (including many whites and Hispanics, of course, but a large highly disproportionate number of Africans).

And some of us find ourselves saying very sad things like “without abortion, WE would be outnumbered and murdered by those ‘sweet little babies’ when they grow up.”

and Somalis, apparently, at some meat-processing plants in Arkansas and the like.

I’m not surprised to hear that. How sad. I don’t blame those folks for taking the jobs; how could I? But I blame the farmers, food processors, and other employers for selling us out.

Maybe we should move to where he lives, seems like a nice guy and apparently has better local demographics than either of us

My mother is highly educated and has been all around North America and Europe, yet she still refers to all Hispanics, including indio and mestizo people, as “Spanish.”

She is visiting us here in L.A. and recently described the people in a certain store nearby as “Spanish people” — to which I responded, “I wish.”

I wonder how different America would be if our Hispanics were actually Europeans, i.e. Spaniards. Imagine replacing, say, forty million Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Guatemalans, Ecuadorans, Nicaraguans, etc., in the USA with Spaniards. (though hopefully not the ones from the part of Spain with that freeking lisp, is it Barcelona?)

Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?

No. There are some I would tolerate, but if we’re being honest they’re all infringements on the 2nd Amendment.

I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I’ve pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn’t been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.

An AR “pistol” is a good compromise. Chambered in .300 AAC, the ballistics are still good down to 8″, and you can go much shorter if you want; in 5.56 you need a longer barrel, at least 10.5 to 11.5 inches.

If the public narrative focuses on whites owning guns, there will not be enough “talk time” to discuss black males being hyper-violent and using them … to primarily kill each other it seems. Therefore, the narrative will be about evil whites owning guns rather than attributing the somber statistics to ethnic cultures or genes, which is forbidden in a relativist, counterfactual milieu that categorically declares (in the face of science) that race, gender, culture, and age are artificial social constructs.

I recall reading part of a multi-volume History of the United States by Princeton University. It was written in the 1890s. It related two persistent problems in the Negro communities of the time … violence and drug use, primarily cocaine.

It seems things change … but nothing changes.

Victims are not random. They are chosen. You can be the one with the gun free zone sign.

OK, now we’re getting somewhere.

“3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed.”

Willfull ignorance of the fact that many whites are in fact targeted because they are white makes for a poor argument. You should give Colin Flagherty a follow and then come back and revisit your commentary.

I take responsibility for any typing errors — speed for accuracy — my mistakes. If it is so bad as to be unintelligible

laugh – there’s an in –

I will answer any press to do so.

First,
I don’t think my comments challenge crime rates.

Second,
my comments don’t challenge the demographics of crime.

Third,
my comments don’t claim that blacks are criminals because whites own the majority power stakes.

My comments explicate (not the same as excusing) what the numbers most likely indicate.

1. Most blacks don’t challenge or don’t care about the second amendment.
2. crime is no unique characteristic of blacks — a brief look at history will make that clear.
3. That blacks are actors more often against whites in criminal activity — is not an indication that blacks target whites — certainly not merely because they are white. It’s a simple state on interactions — as discussed.
4. Whites have little to fear from blacks wanting to take their guns – so that can kill them later — there’s no evidence to support it.
5. The simplistic explanations regarding the stats have little if any veracity and I note why that is the case.
6. Mounting these types of assails is indicative of some level of irrationality. With respect to violent crime various comments and the article suggest that nearly three hundred million whites in the country will be victims of 1.5% of blacks engaged in violent criminal behavior. Given what we now know about criminal behavior, most whites will never come into contact with violence at the hands of any black in fact the likelihood is 0.2615% — not even a 1% chance of such an interaction. That percentage drops considerably when one starts looking at the distribution of said criminal actors. So if every single black person involved in criminal violent act were crammed into the same space as the 235,170,569.5 whites there would be less than a 0.3% chance of being a victim from a black person. Stratifying that population out across the country, diffuse it further by relational dynamics and the chances decrease considerably. Mounting a fear campaign based on those numbers is a tad, in my view irrational.
7. When I was a young conservative I used to hop on these numbers in the same way. But eventually my course work took me through actually doing stats and evaluating stats and interpreting stats. And understanding what numbers mean in human relations be a tough row.

I never sure how to respond to when someone takes one comment and juxtaposes it against an entirely different subject as you have done. I am never sure if the person is confused, , doesn’t frasp when one argument in a series if not by cause related , whether that person is just being mischievous or deliberately manipulated context so as to make some “kneejerk” point. Whatever the dynamic in — you have managed to misapply my comments on power stakeholders –

That comment does not go to explicating criminal behavior. It applies to understanding why there seems to be so much panic among whites with increasing intensity. Especially the tendency to blame blacks. And I guess I would have continued to what I suspect is at the moment given the data an unseasoned fear of blacks. Now it is entirely possible one day the majority of blacks will begin campaigns against whites that whites engaged previously on them. I doubt it. There is little evidence to support it. Maybe. Which leads one to second guess — what is the historical record of what whites have done that suggests turn about is fair play.

“Gun nut” is relative, certainly. A wealthy gun collector doesn’t necessarily qualify even if he’s spent 100,000 dollars on guns. Someone who enjoys shooting doesn’t necessarily qualify. And it’s insulting to me for you to imply that I even might classify that “white family” with a shotgun and a pistol as “gun-obsessed rednecks.”

I primarily was thinking of that type of nutjob who stores thousands of rounds of ammo for some Mad Max dystopian fantasy in which they style themselves heroes.

I think you should get some firsthand experience as to whether blacks can fuck or not, Bro. go to a black nightclub and run some game.
Don’t die wondering.

Murders by blacks are mostly of other blacks. We thought you guys had a problem with being murdered, but if not, that’s OK too, I guess.

I keep up with the NRA magazine America’s First Freedom. I’ve probably read more about those cases than you by a long shot, but it’s not my favorite part of the magazine. The Heller decision struck down a ban against gun ownership in Washington, FS. There were follow-up cases regarding carrying and also the FS’s ban on gun stores in the district shithole.

You don’t seem to take any long-term consideration of what happens when the registrations, limitations, and eventually confiscations start. It’s not like you don’t have an example, Wizard, in your own damn country for cryin’ out loud. It’s very recent history. Now, in formerly-Great formerly-Britain, they are implementing knife control which is kind of hilarious to us Americans who predicted this 20 – 30 years ago and were laughed at.

“Oh, what a rube with this ‘When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” bumper sticker!” they exclaimed. Now it’s knives – do you people get the point yet, or are we gun-redneck-nuts being too obtuse for you all?

No.

I won’t argue with your statement that a shotgun in the mouth is the more likely way of suicide in rural Australia. Fine. It’s just bullshit to say that that’s the easier way. I don’t think either was is a cry for help – more like a cry for come contractor to come and redo the carpets in the former case along with a cry for a funeral director in both case.

How do you think that using a gun is more reliable than taking a bunch of pills, unless you are very poor with math? Anyone can look up how much of whatever medicine is enough to kill, and double it (as if you were tallying up an estimate from your car mechanic). Keep your body weight in mind – if you are light, just go with an ordinary dose; if you’re one of those full-figured gals, buy an extra bottle. (I don’t think I’d be worried about the extra cost at that point.)

LOL

Thanks for the instruction.

Things must have changed in the study of vectors since I attended college. We were taught that, by definition, a vector had both magnitude and a direction. I guess I should try harder to keep abreast of new developments.

In the mean time, if it wouldn’t be too much bother, would you mind instructing me as to just what angle should separate my black vector from the white vector? That would seem to be crucial, seeing as we’re taking the cosine and all.

I mean for example, if they’re drawn perpendicular to each other, then the cosine is zero, meaning I suppose, there’s no overlap, no commonality, at all. The two races are doomed to function at proverbial cross purposes. And of course, the opposite case, if the angle is near zero, then the cosine becomes one, unity, indicating, I suppose, the happy state of synergistic superposition of interests.

In light of the foregoing I’m curious to know just what value you assigned to the angle in your own construction?

And finally–though I hesitate to admit it , because it shows just how slowly my mental gears grind–would you be kind enough to tell me just what it is I “will have” when I’m through with this rigorous proof?

I don’t know about conditions in Australia. I know about the situation here in California.

I used to have a little revolver when I lived in San Francisco on Russian Hill (good neighborhood). I had reason to use it twice. The first time there was a sniper – probably a lunatic – who set up a shooting nest about twenty feet from our bedroom. I took the wife to the other side of the apartment and sat on the floor below window level and waited for the Tact Squad. It was very comforting to have that gun in my hand while I waited for the cops to come.

A year or so later there was a guy who was trying to open my bedroom window and come in. I sallied forth with my little .32 revolver in hand and screamed at him. I lied. I yelled that I had a .45 and I was coming around the corner. He took off over the fence.

Now I live in Oakland and wait for the quake. The Hayward Fault is a couple blocks away. The government says it will soon slip. At that time I expect that my all-white neighborhood will be invaded by darker skinned people from lower down the hill. People who haven’t prepared. I have a weeks worth of food and water and a couple guns. Everyone around here has guns.

I think that for most houses like mine at least a handgun and a long gun are needed. If there is an intruder a handgun is a whole lot easier to handle indoors. BTW I’ve pulled out my revolver twice to deter home invaders. It hasn’t been just a theory for me. But if the action moves outside then you will probably want a long gun (rifle or shotgun). The Korean grocers had rifles. The store owners who stood outside in Ferguson also had rifles.

Are there any restrictions you would favour being part of the law with respect to possession or ownership or buying and selling of guns – and enforced – that you would support? Age? Mental disability or insanity? Kind of weapons (bazookas? machine guns?)? Safe keeping? Where they may be carried (schools e.g )? Prior criminal record? Number of weapons without obtaining a special license? Kind of ammunition? Compulsory skills? Lending of firearms? Time interval for background checks?

You can indeed read it but without a lawyer’s help you evidently can’t understand it. Why is that so clear?

First because you haven’t understood – probably not read – the Heller Case you cite and therefore don’t understand that it doesn’t support your version of what the Second Amendment means; and specifically because

Second, your bolding of “shall not be infringed” [notably the word "infringed"] can only be understood as meaning that you think it is saying “shall not be limited”. And that is just plain wrong. Everything I wrote about as possible small gun control measures would be OK if you read and understand the lead judgment of Justice Scalia. The following contains relevant quotes from his judgment:

http://bigthink.com/risk-reason-and-reality/the-supreme-court-ruling-on-the-2nd-amendment-did-not-grant-an-unlimited-right-to-own-guns

Please don’t think you can do without a lawyer if you are ever charged with a firearms offence.

When you take your busy hands off your….. typewriter and switch your brain on you could reduce your reply to acknowledging that attempting suicide with a gun is likely to achieve death more reliably than attempts by the other means. The favoured way in rural Australia is with a shotgun in the mouth. Being found with your brains blown out is less likely to have people talking about a “cry for help” than being found in bed with an empty bottle of sleeping tablets next to you.

No simple stuff, Old Sport. One line signifies “magnitude”, another “direction.”

So draw your two vectors indicating “black” and “white” measure the cosines and you will have it.

The long-term solution, never to be implemented before some kind of massive societal upheaval, would be a complete roll-back of the welfare state. These black thugs are around to begin with because people have no reason to be responsible in their reproduction, and one can live the thug life instead being forced to live a productive life by “the cruel world”.

Shorter-term, only more separation would help the white people who don’t “get to” live in the gated (AND GUARDED) communities. I agree with Joef that the decent black people are in the worst situation. White people don’t want them around due to who comes with them, and they don’t want the violent blacks to live near them either.

We’re in a pretty big jam, that’s for sure.

The great thing about the US Constitution is that you don’t need to be a lawyer to read it. If you couldn’t understand this one sentence that I pasted in for you, you’re pretty hopeless. Could you give more suggestions for Australian politics? Our gun rights are really none of your business, but, additionally, your logic is unsound.

BTW, why don’t your read up on the “Heller” case, supported by the NRA against the unconstitutional restrictions that had been set up by Washington, FS, and a follow-up case, if you’re into that sort of thing. I don’t care – I can read Amendment II without the help of a lawyer.

… and only chipping away at the problem is possible or desirable for the forseeable future.

It’s NOT AT ALL desirable. You seem aware enough of the reasons American’s want to keep their guns, and you may have some small inkling of why one may need a gun down under too, where they’ve been mostly confiscated over the last 20-odd years.

How come you can’t put 2 and 2 together, Wizard? We do NOT WANT what happened in Australia, and we luckily had some forefathers who foresaw the problems with being unarmed subjects and put their solution in writing. That doesn’t mean it will hold up forever, not with the imported populations of recent years. However, we’ll do our damndest to keep anyone from :chipping away” at it.

You mention the REAL PROBLEM, the type of people in a society. Why don’t you write about chipping away at the actual problem, not chipping away at the solution? Your Australian logic is as distastful to me as a jar of vegemite.

Gun suicide is a special problem resulting from proliferation of guns because guns tend to do the job better than wrist slashing or sleeping pills.

Really now? I could not see how in the hell it’s easier to kill one’s self with a gun vs. a bottle of sleeping pills, and I knew someone who tried the latter (got her pumped out and good to go).

Guns: You may have one, but if you don’t you may need to come up with a good reason to borrow one (especially if friends/family see that you are off kilter). You’re gonna need a handgun, I suppose, too, unless you are the engineering type, who usually don’t get suicidal anyway. It’s gonna be messy, even if it works. If it doesn’t work right, you may paralyze yourself for life or at least disfigure yourself. Then you’ve got that going for you. It might hurt A WHOLE LOT before you die!

Pills: Just go to a few different drugstores if you need lots of them. Drugstores are all over the place now – there are too damn many in fact, so the chains are consolidating. It’s very easy – get a big glass of water, put on some Enya music, if that’s your thing, or maybe some Smashing Pumpkins, and start swallowing. There will be no pain, at least from what I heard from Mr. Pink Floyd. (“There is no pain, you are receding … “)

I hope you got to the horse races in Aiken, or at least got to do some drinking (we never saw any actual horses at the races).

“Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?”
One just has to look at the HIGH STD, rape and illegitimacy rates of blacks to see a trend.

By Khazar, you are elliptically referring to the Jews in a racist pseudo-intellectual way? Funny because the Jew hating whites blame the “Khazars” for covering up black crime & using black thugs to enforce “ZOG” and to create the “white genocide”.
No I arrived at that conclusion by living in cities that were progressively ruined by blacks and their destructive criminal ways, aided by fathead white progressives. But the blacks had a way of deflecting from their manifold shortcomings by blaming whites for even the bad black behavior; that they ALSO encouraged!
Like when one points out how horrible black schools are, that are now even run by blacks, they barf out nonsense that some crypto KKK is expelling too many brainless thugs. Or they’ll remind you of old ante-bellum laws in some southern state that prevented blacks from being educated. You’d think given those ancient laws and the general impression that black students are stupid and undisciplined, the average black school would do its best to fight those trends and produce qualified disciplined black grads. Instead, we get black frauds like DC’s Ballou HS where in 2017 even illiterates who skipped the whole year graduate AND THEN got into college!
Black “education” is a the proverbial leading a horse to water but he won’t drink. Instead the horse urinates in the trough.

I hate to back up comic book boy, but “No snitchin” while far more prevalent amongst blacks, is hardly a universal feature of all black communities.

LOL, such a comic book intellectual. But here are some simple facts to digest. Blacks commit 1/2 the US murders and have 8X the homicide rate of whites.
But that is okay, because the amoral black excuse machine repeaters will barf out some bogus nonsense as:
“Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test.”

Blacks are ~ 10% of the population of my metro area, but account for at least 60% of the murders, and their hispanic bros account for another 15% of homicides.
So like I can really see that it is those evil palefaces who are the worst and most dangerous.

“vector math, my friend….”

Okay…..

2D? 3D? 9D? Are you adding them? Taking dot products? Cross products? Using matrices?

I’m all ears.

EliteCommInc. says:
April 12, 2018 at 2:39 am GMT • 200 Words

Laugh.

Your number two argument at the bottom includes that suggestion that blacks have some unique practice about not reporting on one’s fellows. One of Miss Ann Coulter’s and Miss Laura Ingrham’s contends from days of old. A small list of the cukltures which in engage in no telling on each other:

I can think of no human behaviors that are binary by race. That said, “no snitchin” really is a thing, enforced by murder and intimidation, in the Black community. It really isn’t a thing in the White community. The words we bandy won’t change that.

Demographics: the rate of change in the black population to the overall population is at 14% or 13%

1% increase if categorizing blacks uniquely and (roughly)
2% percentage points if one broadens the definition of black citizens.

http://blackdemographics.com/ That rate of change suggests a fairly constant range to the overall population even to the 12.5% provided. I guess one could argue about what constitutes constant.

Laugh.

but it is not uncommon for people to misconstrue what the numbers means. Many here are convinced that they are under some unique threat from blacks — because you incorrectly interpret or apply some statistical analysis. I have grown acustomed to simply taking the numbers as they come, because regardless of how they are skewed. Here the conclusions suggests a very shallow grasp of how crime operates or the meanings in context. It reveals why the relational dynamic remains a convenient scapegoat for irrational fears.

If I have twenty white pins and five of those of pins are black and then roll a black ball down a lane , it’s more likely that my black ball will hit more whites pins than black pins.

That’s a statistical probability. But that

Probability also depends on the angle, composition disbursement of the pins, etc. not even taking into account motive and vitally important factor – When examining the numbers minus the shallow thinking of what may appear obvious – given the disperstment of those who might engage in crime across the nations cities and the conditions for said activity the likelihood of anyone of you coming into contact with sad violent anyone white or black is not conditioned on skin color. But on location personal exposure, and one’s interaction with said population. Numbers don’t lie – most of the time, but how those numbers are used in narrative is anybody’s guess. Here the simplest accounting is flat out the consequence of deliberately or ignorantly, misinterpreting what the numbers mean in the context of reality.

This happens as knee jerk reaction to some hard to take realities about white culpability in building a society touting whites as superior and having to discover that white superiority is not all that it made out to be. It’s a lashing out as what was once a house of brick is tumbling slowly as a house of cards. Because when iy comes to motive the numbers don’t lie — as many are fond of saying. There are very few crimes in the US against whites merely because one is white. So despite the numbers the evidence is slight that blacks are doing anything to whites merely because they are white. The interactions are based on numbers
Those blacks who might be inclined to criminal behavior operate in more white populations than whites inclined to criminal behavior operate in black populations.

That’s a statistical reality based on the numbers in the proper context of interactions.

The simplistic formula that more then that in context requires a bit more analysis to why beyond — by the numbers whites would be attacking more blacks. Which when considering motive is would be correct. But when one deals in dire straits or a panic, I understand the desire to take short cuts on interpretation to design a narrative that puts one in a positive light. I have had students work in teams in which regardless of the configuration — mistakes were rarely ever her failings, but that of others. Whites own the conditions and positions of power, If one wants to be serious about whiteness as actor to the benefit, then, one has to also take responsibility for white failures in vitally important ways. And blaming that on blacks who by and large do as the whites in power direct fails the accountability and logic test.

There is nothing liberal about understanding context. Which is why I used the police death example for reference. Taking the rate of percentage increase, it was concluded that there is a war on police. But examining the actual numbers of the increase and why, how, etc. the interpretation was convenient and wrong.

The farm towns of eastern Washington are full Of Mexicans. Dairy farmers in Vermont and Maine have imported Mexicans.

Everywhere there is a farm, there is a White farmer employing Mexicans. The Tyson slaughterhouses in the south east, especially Georgia are full of Mexicans
Wherever there is food there are Whites importing Mexicans and Central American Indians.

Elite comm seems to live in a White world where the people with Spanish last names are actually Spanish and the local government offices are not full of affirmative action blacks

Whoops. Correction.
Not 1 out of 5, but 1 to 5 or 1 out of 6.

12.5 / 12.5+ 63 = 16.6 % the new, 2018 percentage of blacks relative to whites in America.

So, again, the commonly cited statistic (even in the main stream media) that black percentage of population has remained constant (relative to whites) is wrong.

So the Khazars keep telling you.

But hey, their IQs are much higher.

No my friend, there are x- number of whites and x- number of blacks in this country; This is the case when whites murder blacks and it is the case when blacks murder whites. To which you will say:

Buh…buh…buh… Truth, There are many more whites in this country so they should be murdering more blacks…

Illogical, they have less black targets that white ones.

Buh…buh…buh…Truth, there are many less blacks in this country, they should not be murdering so many whites,

Illogical, they have more white targets than black ones.

Somewhat simple vector math, my friend…

I’ll grant you one thing; you Africans have always been good at one thing and that’s f*cking.

Well so I’ve been told. Do you know from firsthand experience?

…And much MORE likely to murder whites. That’s why they do. Numbers don’t lie.