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anon666,

Progressives did embrace eugenics before WWII. When you read “That Hideous Strength” the “progressive element” was strongly in favor of eugenics and hated the underclass. Rejection of eugenics only came after the Nazi’s, and only then when progressives realized that race was a way for them to advance their own status against their competitors (other whites). Progressives should be viewed as selfish opportunists first and foremost, and their “charity” as a form of bragging (oh, you can’t afford your own bubble to insulate from these dumb policies? well I can).

HBD can never be embraced by NAMs because even smart NAMs grandchildren will inevitably revert to the mean. If everyone knew that nobody would mate with even smart NAMs because they would know that their descendants would be damned. That is one reason why Jayman is marrying a white girl, it will improve the genes of his offspring.

Anon666 says,
“I can see the educated classes eventually pushing for a humane form of “soft eugenics”,”

– They already DO push for a humane soft eugenics by exclusively marrying and breeding with their ideological and class equals.

“keeping in mind that although the view is currently regarded as morally outrageous,”

– Not so. See above.

“it has no inherent ideological incompatibility with liberalism”

– Not only does it not have an inherent ideological incompatibility, it is 100% compatible.

“What I don’t see is them developing any special affinity for the “white race”. ”

– Absolutely not. As you yourself point out below….

“Their “tribal” loyalty will life first with their “own kind” — namely, other educated liberals from every country”

– Precisely.

“and secondly, to the underclass, who they will pity for having no power to improve their situation”.

– Guess what? They DO have the power to improve the situation of the underclass by MARRYING THEM – but they will not do this.

“You’re pissin’ off a bunch of white nationalists in the Dark Enlightenment right now.”

The moment I came across the term “Dark Enlightment” as a way to refer to impolite knowledge of race-based human differences, I started cracking up. Um, isn’t there a particular race-based difference such a term suggests? Instantly, I’m imagining a smug, erudite black guy trotting out this phrase as his way of suggesting, “once you go black you never go back.”

Any black History/English/Philosphy PhDs, the Dark Enlightenment pick-up line is the way to go when hitting on your melanin-challenged female colleagues.

I enjoy reading the Derb a lot, but man, sloganeering is not his forte.

Also, re, the WNs: Europeans have been pretty successful in proliferating their DNA over the course of the ages, as it can be found in varying concentrations not just in Europe, but throughout North South America, Oceania, Siberia, Central Asia, West Asia, North Africa and South Africa. Even Mongolians have a minor amount of European ancestry and it’s not uncommon for them to have blue eyes.

As a big fan of both blue-eyed women as well as Eurasian women, I’m hoping that more European DNA will flow into East Asia — perhaps from Russian women…

Sorry, that post had quite a few typos and grammar mistakes, but I think it conveyed my basic message.

People do marry their “own kind”, but one’s own kind is determined primarily by consideration of social classes. HBD only indicates that each social class might have different concentrations of racial groups.

There’s a common assumption on the HBD-sphere that a widespread acceptance of HBD by the educated classes would have conservative implications, but such assumptions underestimate the resiliency of liberalism. If educated white liberals came to accept it, they might feel a little bit less guilty about gentrification, but it would do nothing to damper their cosmopolitan internationalist tastes. They’d still feel a sense of benevolence toward the underclass, because even if underclass pathologies can be explained in part by genetics, that actually reinforces the liberal view that the underclass are victims (if not of oppression/marginalization, then of biology), and severely weakens the conservative “pull yourself up by your boot straps” view.

I can see the educated classes eventually pushing for a humane form of “soft eugenics”, keeping in mind that although the view is currently regarded as morally outrageous, it has no inherent ideological incompatibility with liberalism. What I don’t see is them developing any special affinity for the “white race”. Their “tribal” loyalty will life first with their “own kind” — namely, other educated liberals from every country — and secondly, to the underclass, who they will pity for having no power to improve their situation. That said, they may start to recognize the necessity of finding a means to humanely cull the underclass. They’re sympathetic to stray cats and dogs too, but they believe in spaying and neutering.

I don’t see anything wrong with this. Although I’m a more of a Hobbesian liberal than a progressive liberal (and consequently harbor no warm fuzzy feelings for the underclass), I think progressive liberalism would be less annoying if it had a greater basis in reality, although the moral status-competition dynamic of the community undermines its capacity for realism.

“Keep calm and date a Desi ;)”

Thanks to HBD, whenever I see brown girls these days, my mind runs towards the mathematics behind pedigree collapse.

It’s funny that HBD will drive some towards members of their own race, and others towards miscegenation for genetic diversity in offspring…and to offset any heebie-jeebies when calculating the most recent common ancestor(s).

It would be totally hilarious if “people of color” hi-jacked and took over the HBDsphere.

Would have those white racists smackin’ they heads like “how the hell did this happen!”

How about HBD adherents of all different backgrounds miscegnating (misceg mating) with each other ON PURPOSE because they WANT to get the widest range of genes into their offspring to increase their chances of ….. whatever.

How about a black nationalist man or woman marrying a white nationalist man or woman because their only other options were “race denialist liberals” of their “own kind”!

I dated a black nationalist once. He basically turned ME into a racist with all his rhetoric.

Good lord our arguments got ugly and those trigger words we’re not supposed to say dropped like candy falling out of a Mexican pinata.

Finally I just offered to help find him a black nationalist “nubian queen” since black people were so damn superior what was he doing with me?

I read one of his black nationalist books wherein the author stated that any black man who has sex with a white woman is actually engaging in homosexuality because in his sub-conscious mind he’s not thinking of the woman but of the white slave master that raped his great great grandmother and he’s having sex with a white woman to get back at “The White Man” and hence, since his mind is only filled with thoughts of “The White Man” during sex, its a homosexual act!!!!

I once went black. I RAN back. But now I’m ready to go black again. But you’re already taken, right?

“My dad is a Tamil Sri Lankan, and my mom is an Indo-Guyanese (her great-grandparents are from Northeast India).”

Keep calm and date a Desi 😉

Keep calm and date a Desi 😉

Same here. My dad is a Tamil Sri Lankan, and my mom is an Indo-Guyanese (her great-grandparents are from Northeast India). So already I am “mixed”, albeit still a brown mutt. I was always fond of girls from all over, but now that I am well-versed in their phenotypic differences, and the origins of those differences, I appreciate them even more.

The White Nationalist fringe of the Manosphere has completely bastardized the science of HBD.
And they foolishly assume that individuals armed with HBD would want to mate and marry with their “own kind”. For me, my exposure to a number of the world’s ethno-cultures has caused me to be attracted to ever wider varieties of members of the opposite sex.

Your tags for this are; “funny, good advice, joke posts, once you go black”

“once you go black”……. what?

Besides, why do you think they deserve such pleasure?

OK, enough with bad jokes for today 🙂 Sorry 🙂

Fuck ’em? I thought you are hetero 🙂

You’re pissin’ off a bunch of white nationalists in the Dark Enlightenment right now. 😉 “REGRESSION TO THE MEAAAAAAAAAN!” “GENOCIIIIIIIDE!!!”

I think i know what you mean. In my home country which is germany it was the same. When i grew up in the nineties there were still not much people with subsaharan african ancestry. The few who lived in my city were of the rather “awkward” kind, typicals third worlders with this attitude of being a faithful person and thriving to better their life with work in a rich country. They would have clothes germans would only have worn in the fifties, and they were not cool at all. And they were rare and did not develop the kind of self security you need to have to be aggressive.
But as the black population exploded in the last 15 years you can see some kind of cultural convergence, which means the situation in germany becomes more like the situation in uk or the usa. By now there are extremly lot of half black kids with westafrican, us or carribean fathers, and there are also lot of kids with two westafrican parents. Those kids begin to show a very aggressive attitude in the public, they slowly but with growing speed catch up with arabs concerning crime rates, etc.

There are no official statistics on race here, but there seems to be a consensus among criminologists that people from Northern Africa and the Middle East are the most overrepresented in crime, especially violent crime. Most people in that area are of one religion, not one race. (The least criminal immigrants are from East Asia, big surprise.) I can’t find any statistics on the origin of the victims, although Muslims are very open about their attitude that raping Western women is no big deal, they will say this in interviews and in front of cameras.

This is not to say that tribalism is the only factor but surely an important one.

Any studies on Wrestlers/wrestling fans and IQ.

It really does seem like entertainment by and for the retarded. Or at least those of very low IQ.

It’s funny how everyone is scared of Black people,

Especially other blacks. White people generally get to avoid the worst of them, other blacks not so much.

Here in Sweden it seems most Blacks are of the non-threatening variety.

Any data on black male perpetrated rape/murder/assault rates in Sweden?

Probably because they are so few and of such diverse origins that there is no basis for tribalism. And that’s the scariest part of any kind of people – them viewing you as an outgroup.

You underestimate black male rates of interpersonal violence. This doesn’t require gang/group identity.

I think you greatly underestimate violence WITHIN groups/tribes/families. Most murder and rape involves people who are some what acquainted. Familiarity not only breeds contempt it breeds aggression.

Time to turn HollyWood into HollyHood as well. Go gangstas!

It’s funny how everyone is scared of Black people, PC liberals included. Here in Sweden it seems most Blacks are of the non-threatening variety. Probably because they are so few and of such diverse origins that there is no basis for tribalism. And that’s the scariest part of any kind of people – them viewing you as an outgroup.

Yeah, i dont think anyone disputes this. Though in the comics the black nick fury is a try hard and isnt as cool as the old grizzled original. Black nick fury was made for movies, so it makes complete sense to go with that characterization. Especially given the lack of black marvel superheroes, it adds big studio approved diversity.