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    If you’re one of the millions of human beings who, despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary, still believe there is such a thing as “the truth,” you might not want to read this essay. Seriously, it can be extremely upsetting when you discover that there is no “truth” … or rather, that what...
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    So what?
     
    its good for all groups including jews and hispanics to accept responsibility for their role in the slave trade instead of just whites taking all the blame

    for example, South America took 20x as many slaves as North America did but do you ever see any TV history shows mentioning that?

    No living American had any part in the Black Slave Trade. None of us have any responsibility for ancient history.

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    You don't make it clear whether you accept the Dutchman's nonsensical idea that Hitler might choose to make a serious peace proposal to the UK by sending Hess, flying himself, to Scotland. Assuming you understand the absurdity of that fantasy I understand you to be saying that Churchill ought to have insisted on taking Hess's peace proposals seriously. But why? On what possible reasoning? It would have been folly to take Hess's mission seriously except to ensure that he was treated in a way which allowed him to give up whatever he might know that was of interest to MI6.

    Thus, prima facie, you have nothing sensible to say on the subject and your careless grammar where you say "Their desire was to destroy this threat to themselves and they did [sic] want peace" makes no sense and only contributes confusion as to whether you have anything intelligible to say on the subject. Despite all that I invite you to say where you get the curious idea that Chamberlain and then Churchill had people who told them what to do about some decisions or policies that you have not identified or defined and whom you believe they actually obeyed for some reason. Who? When? Why? On what issues? On what evidence? What did Churchill say about Hess and his mission? What did Martin Gilbert, WSC's biographer say?

    What did Martin Gilbert, WSC’s biographer say?

    be sure to trust (((martin gilbert)))

  • anon[997] • Disclaimer says:
    @APilgrim
    So what?

    So what?

    its good for all groups including jews and hispanics to accept responsibility for their role in the slave trade instead of just whites taking all the blame

    for example, South America took 20x as many slaves as North America did but do you ever see any TV history shows mentioning that?

    • Replies: @APilgrim
    No living American had any part in the Black Slave Trade. None of us have any responsibility for ancient history.
  • @anon

    > "One of the things a lot of people don't know about Puerto Rico....is that a long time ago, many generations ago, my family consisted of Sephardic Jews"
     
    perhaps (((your family))) was involved in the slave trade

    So what?

    • Replies: @anon

    So what?
     
    its good for all groups including jews and hispanics to accept responsibility for their role in the slave trade instead of just whites taking all the blame

    for example, South America took 20x as many slaves as North America did but do you ever see any TV history shows mentioning that?
  • @APilgrim
    Communist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims a long time ago, many generations ago, my family consisted of Sephardic Jews"

    https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1072035156049911808

    > “One of the things a lot of people don’t know about Puerto Rico….is that a long time ago, many generations ago, my family consisted of Sephardic Jews”

    perhaps (((your family))) was involved in the slave trade

    • Replies: @APilgrim
    So what?
  • The right wing Ecuadorean government of President Moreno continues to churn out its production line of fake documents regarding Julian Assange, and channel them straight to MI6 mouthpiece Luke Harding of the Guardian. Amazingly, more Ecuadorean Government documents have just been discovered for the Guardian, this time spy agency reports detailing visits of Paul Manafort...
  • @EliteCommInc.
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/leverage


    Laughing. Good grief.

    Can you spare that dictionary of yours for a few ticks and lend it to the President?

    He promises to return it, but will leave you his “smocking” gun as security.

    (don’t “l-u-agh” now)

  • If you’re one of the millions of human beings who, despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary, still believe there is such a thing as “the truth,” you might not want to read this essay. Seriously, it can be extremely upsetting when you discover that there is no “truth” … or rather, that what...
  • Progressives offer divisiveness & vindictive political turmoil.

    They will produce unemployment & economic collapse.

    And they are accelerating toward disaster, by the minute.

    President Trump does business. Democrats do mortal combat.

  • @Anon
    When did truth rule the planet? Before mankind appeared? Before it developed language and/or reason?

    Yeah,

    That is about when, according to Judeo-Christian, Muhammadan & Mormon doctrine.

  • @Cyrano
    The truth is like the dinosaurs – magnificent, simple, used to rule the earth and now –extinct. Lies are still evolving, with vibrant DNA, superior lies winning over inferior ones in the evolutionary race, but still just midgets compared to the dinosaurs.

    When did truth rule the planet? Before mankind appeared? Before it developed language and/or reason?

    • Replies: @APilgrim
    Yeah,

    That is about when, according to Judeo-Christian, Muhammadan & Mormon doctrine.
  • Foundational Truth, for practicing Christians does not begin with matters such as:

    2 + 2 = 4
    V = IR
    F = MA

    The recent Alaska earthquake measured 7.0 on the most current scale.
    The average terrestrial temperature is changing or stable.

    So, C. Hopkins does not posit much of interest, to Evangelicals, in this essay.

  • Communist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims a long time ago, many generations ago, my family consisted of Sephardic Jews”

    • Replies: @anon

    > "One of the things a lot of people don't know about Puerto Rico....is that a long time ago, many generations ago, my family consisted of Sephardic Jews"
     
    perhaps (((your family))) was involved in the slave trade
  • Christianity is, by far, the largest Jewish Sect.

    1/3 of Humanity considers themselves to be Christians.

    Christians believe that Jesus Christ, a Semite Jew, IS THE TRUTH!

  • Roughly 1/3 of humanity begs to differ, with this relativistic drivel, IMHPO.

    “In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darknesse, and the darknesse comprehended it not.”

    Bible, King James (1611 Authorized Version), Gospel of John, Chapter 1, Verses 1-5, https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_John-Chapter-1/

  • Light is the presence of electro-magnetic energy. Darkness is the absence thereof.

    Sound is the presence of phonon energy. Silence denotes its absence.

    Iesus saith vnto him, I am the Way, the Trueth, and the Life: no man commeth vnto the Father but by mee.

    A most remarkable Biblical claim: ‘The Truth is a person’. The Gospel of John, Chapter 14, Verse 6, https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_John-14-6/

  • @ploni almoni
    You have revealed your agenda, your malevolent desire to do harm, and so much more.

    Who is the “you”? And what are the “revealing” words? You aren’t referring to the article’s author are you?

  • @MacNucc11
    She would have gotten away with saying Jesus is not real but not Santa Claus. Santa Claus sells toys and other stuff.

    Laughing ——

    I think Jesus outsells Santa Claus as Santa remains real for “western societies” but Jesus is real everywhere.

    Having to rely on Rudolph has its drawbacks.

  • @The scalpel
    Didn't see you started a blog! Bookmarked. Looking forward to learning more

    Thanks doc…yeah, I figured I’d hop on the digital bandwagon LOL…I’m hoping to add stuff as time permits and I hope some will suggest topics that they would like to hear about…btw, I’ve read all of your articles with rare enjoyment…keep up the good fight…

  • @FB
    Glad you liked my first blog post dubya...I plan to cover both the civilian and military aspects of aerospace technology...and that includes some space stuff too...

    Being there in Yuma you can see some of that stuff up close...I think the flight tests on the Osprey tiltrotor are done there...an interesting machine, but perhaps a little too complicated...

    Hugs and slow blinks to Lilly and Sharky...

    Didn’t see you started a blog! Bookmarked. Looking forward to learning more

    • Replies: @FB
    Thanks doc...yeah, I figured I'd hop on the digital bandwagon LOL...I'm hoping to add stuff as time permits and I hope some will suggest topics that they would like to hear about...btw, I've read all of your articles with rare enjoyment...keep up the good fight...
  • The right wing Ecuadorean government of President Moreno continues to churn out its production line of fake documents regarding Julian Assange, and channel them straight to MI6 mouthpiece Luke Harding of the Guardian. Amazingly, more Ecuadorean Government documents have just been discovered for the Guardian, this time spy agency reports detailing visits of Paul Manafort...
  • I’ve been commenting on a side issue to a different article, but I’ve had a terrible thought on the fate of Julian Assange. It’s very frightening.

    The other thread drove me to read about the Council of Constance, held at Stadt Konstanz, today in Germany close to the Swiss border. This “council” of bishops and popes took place apparently between 1414 and 1418. A whistle-blower from Prague in Bohemia, one Jan Hus, was persuaded to go there having been given a guarantee of personal safety by the Emperor of the “Holy Roman Empire”, safety there and back and while there.

    Accepted belief, which it was more than your life was worth to doubt, was that the Christian Church consisted of the Pope, the Cardinals, and the lower hierarchy. Hus had written, leaked a document (his own), and also taught in a church in Prague, asserting that that was bullshit, that the Church consisted of all followers of Jesus, a man who had also been executed for heresy, what was intended for Hus, but now lived in the sky. And that the Church had no other head than that Jesus.

    So Hus was arrested notwithstanding the guarantees of safety, because when the accusation of heresy was made the Emperor’s guarantee was automatically rendered null and void. There could be no protection for a suspected heretic because that would make the protector a heretic. So Hus was imprisoned in solitary confinement under terrible conditions and became very sick.

    Because of his sad state others offered him pro-bono legal representation, but it was quickly hammered home to them that to defend a suspected heretic made you a heretic, deserving of death. So he had to do his best alone before three judges.

    (One, amazingly, was the Patriarch of Constantinople, centuries after the Great Schism! What would The Saker say about that?)

    Of course he was found guilty, as Assange will be. But, also of course, the Church didn’t execute him, it “handed him over to the civil authorities.”

    But if anyone in the civil administration had had sympathy for him, allowed him to live too long, that person would also have become a heretic deserving of death. The civil administration had to execute Hus, or else had to die themselves.

    All that medieval empire stuff seems to me terribly like the present American Empire, with its deeply corrupt, politicized court system, and its deeply corrupt system of government, concerned with nothing but the money to be made by destroying countries the world over, and its revolving door, and the fact that only a millionaire or a person financed by a billionaire can win at a Congressional or Presidential election.

    I fear greatly for the fate of Julian Hus Assange. Obviously, if Cardinal Theresa May doesn’t hand him over, she will die. That the same thing would happen to the President of Ecuador has already been made very plain to him.

  • If you’re one of the millions of human beings who, despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary, still believe there is such a thing as “the truth,” you might not want to read this essay. Seriously, it can be extremely upsetting when you discover that there is no “truth” … or rather, that what...
  • You have revealed your agenda, your malevolent desire to do harm, and so much more.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Who is the "you"? And what are the "revealing" words? You aren't referring to the article's author are you?
  • Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @ploni almoni
    You are speculating needlessly about Hess' "resentment" and "desire to restore relevance." Hess flew to Scotland, he said he had peace proposals. The people who told Chamberlain and Churchill what to do, the people behind WW II, did not want to hear of peace proposals. Their desire was to destroy this threat to themselves and they did want peace. Simple. After the war they did not want Hess talking about Hitler's desire for peace so he remained in solitary until he died, in what, 1992. You may not lack discrimination, but you have an agenda.

    You don’t make it clear whether you accept the Dutchman’s nonsensical idea that Hitler might choose to make a serious peace proposal to the UK by sending Hess, flying himself, to Scotland. Assuming you understand the absurdity of that fantasy I understand you to be saying that Churchill ought to have insisted on taking Hess’s peace proposals seriously. But why? On what possible reasoning? It would have been folly to take Hess’s mission seriously except to ensure that he was treated in a way which allowed him to give up whatever he might know that was of interest to MI6.

    Thus, prima facie, you have nothing sensible to say on the subject and your careless grammar where you say “Their desire was to destroy this threat to themselves and they did [sic] want peace” makes no sense and only contributes confusion as to whether you have anything intelligible to say on the subject. Despite all that I invite you to say where you get the curious idea that Chamberlain and then Churchill had people who told them what to do about some decisions or policies that you have not identified or defined and whom you believe they actually obeyed for some reason. Who? When? Why? On what issues? On what evidence? What did Churchill say about Hess and his mission? What did Martin Gilbert, WSC’s biographer say?

    • Replies: @anon

    What did Martin Gilbert, WSC’s biographer say?
     
    be sure to trust (((martin gilbert)))
  • @cassandra

    The current generation of these people have had hundreds of years behind them, and all the money in the world, to work at their craft, and they are very very good at it. No offence intended to you, or to anyone who may experience cognitive dissonance when exposed to objective facts that seem to wholly contradict what they had previously thought to be an unshakable reality.
     
    I agree 100%.

    I get excessively impatient with people who say about their political opponents, "How can people be so stupid!" The question should be, how can people possibly maintain any mental integrity in the face of such never-ending media propaganda?

    According to Barbara Honneger,
    (https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false),
    in February 1981 CIA Director William Casey said,

    We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false
     
    Propaganda seems now to be more than just a tool of political manipulation, but a routine exercise to test and maintain political power.

    Every time I delve into any major issue, I've found the mainstream narrative to be entirely misleading. Issues include not only the "American Pravda" issues that Ron Unz has discussed, but also the Climate Change story, the Russian collusion myth, Russian geopolitical plans, Putin and Trump's relations, and even Charlottesville (why did the MSM start calling the episode an "attack" straight from the gate without evidence?)

    And cultural deceptions: the existence of Jesus and Mohammed, the notion that religious beliefs are generally benign (at least Islam and Judaism have core doctrines antogonistic toward outsiders), and that unrestricted multiculturalism is intrinsically beneficial. And of course, that culture not chromosomes determine gender.

    There's also the overriding notion that the elites behave like enlightened despots wishing to improve their societies, as exemplified, for instance, by neoliberal economics, with austerity "reforms" and global trade pacts written by corporate lawyers.

    There are problems if not outright lies with what's told on all these subjects, and I find my worldview on ever-increasingly shaky grounds.

    Fortunately for myself, I have an interest in fundamental science and mathematics, so I actually enjoy the cognitive dissonance this situation produces and find it quite stimulating. It does make me a somewhat annoying Thanksgiving guest to have at the table, though.

    I have found that the term “systematized delusion” as defined in the law dictionary is the most universally appropriate description of process. A false premise, pursued by a logical process of reasoning to an insane conclusion.

    It occurred to me in the early 1990’s that “They always get you at the door”.

    Are you in the game?

    Yes.

    Then you lose.

    The administrators are simply not that bright (they probably could be, but have chosen not to be) and can only function according to a template or pattern of behaviour that we have all been programmed to call “policy”.

    A full appreciation, however, requires an understanding of the de facto doctrine or doctrine of necessity. De facto means “in fact, and for the time being”.

    Assume, for example, that you are the driver of a car, and that you have just come to a stop at a traffic-light-controlled intersection, and where there is a “No Left Turn” sign above the red light signal, and others elsewhere in the intersection. But before the light turns green, a police officer arrives and gets off his motorcycle and takes a position in the middle of the intersection and directs you to turn left.

    The question is: Do you obey the sign and drive straight forward when the light turns green?, or do you follow the officer’s direction and turn left?

    Legally, you have to turn left, even though the “No Left Turn” sign is otherwise legal / legitimate, because you are following the same authority “in fact and for the time being” as represented by the police officer.

    Notwithstanding the presence of the legal “No Left Turn” sign, the driver is complying with the policy of the authority (Crown) as administered by its officer(s) “in fact and for the time being”, and so there is no offence.

    With respect to nominal speed limits on the highway, it is the actual and announced policy of the Crown (or state government in the US) that drivers are encouraged to exceed the posted limit by a reasonable amount in the interests of traffic flow.

    That policy is then administered by the RCMP, for example, as agents of the Crown and “for the time being”.

    But if a given officer chooses to issue an offence ticket to a given driver, because such driver has, in the opinion of the officer, exceeded the posted limit by an unreasonable amount, then they will claim and charge the driver simply with exceeding the posted limit.

    That is fraud and maladministration on the face of it (also technically and in fact racketeering). At its most basic level, the Crown is not supposed to be engaging in such carny-level bait-and-switch con games. Such things are presumed to be beneath the dignity of the Crown to engage in.

    Procedurally, what the government and the courts are doing under the nominal speed limit laws is the same as charging the first driver, mentioned above, who follows the police officer’s directions to turn left, with failure to obey the “No Left Turn” sign.

    But further than that, the most salient aspect of the racketeering-based-enforcement model is that it is such an obviously legally and ethically defective system, yet the same socially caustic, corruptive, and corrosive system has remained firmly entrenched throughout most of the world since shortly after the invention of the automobile.

    We must consider at least the bare possibility that the racketeering-based corrosive system is in place domestically and globally as policy and for its own sake.

    Finally, to complete the model, assume that the real reason the police officer is standing in the middle of the intersection directing you to turn left, is because his brother-in-law has just opened a new store on the cross street and needs customers.

    That, in a nutshell, is how the whole world works. Everything that the people think is being done by law is actually policy, and it is the private policy of the administrators and is most often the diametric opposite of what the law provides. Is that clear?

  • @CollDoll
    i roundly disagree with this statement: The powerless are either servants of power or they are heretics. There is no third alternative.

    of course there is a third alternative and most people belong to it. It is those who are indifferent either because "I don't care" or because "there is nothing i can do." this is the large majority of the populace. Hopkins indirectly acknowledges this when he writes:

    At the same time, it is important to realize that “the truth” is not going to “rouse the masses from their slumber” and inspire them to throw off their chains. People are not going to suddenly “wake up,” “see the truth” and start “the revolution.”

    People already know the truth … the official truth, which is the only truth there is. NO the slumbering masses do not already know. That is why there is and needs to be Hopkins, Greenwald, etc. etc. to provide the alternative truth.

    People already know the truth … the official truth, which is the only truth there is. NO the slumbering masses do not already know. That is why there is and needs to be Hopkins, Greenwald, etc. etc. to provide the alternative truth.

    Actually, a lot of this makes more sense using the word narrative in place of truth. It may seem to be a strange distinction, but it seems to be that we hold our political knowledge more in the form of stories about, and impressions of, circumstances, than as a collection of “facts”.

    Propaganda seeks to tell us stories that leave us with some impression that we carry on afterwards for further accumulation and reinforcement. For example, seeing a cartoon of Putin as an octopus, or with blood-drenched teeth, facilitates acceptance of a later characterization of him as a brutal dictator. Gradually, but sooner than you might think, you’re uncritically adding every derogative you read to this collection of negativity, which eventually becomes so entangled within itself that it becomes difficult to understand any other.

    Presenting counter-narratives to pop such a bubble is guaranteed to fail, as we can see by witnessing all the political battles between people who try to present their worldview to their opposition, and then feel frustrated when their sincerest efforts fail to be persuasive.

    What does produce activity IMHO is a counter-narrative so limited that it provokes no contradiction, and yet is discordant enough to trigger a reevaluation, i.e., a “red pill”. At one time, I had been inclined to take the Economist’s line that economic reform benefited the Philippines, citing examples of prosperous hyacinth farms beginning to dot the landscape. But elsewhere, I came across stories of how such corporate “prosperity” was ejecting rice growers from their lands, and driving the women of the families of these formerly self-sustaining farmers to the sex shops of the Southeast Asian mainland. It’s interesting to note here that there was no contradiction between the facts in both stories; none were contested. The real collision was between the conflicting impressions that the narratives left, which forced me to form a more inclusive impression that respected both pictures.

    History is replete with such “supplementary facts” which do not contradict mainstream or “elite” narratives directly, but which do produce an impression at odds with the mainstream, whose incorporation can shift the narrative of our understanding seismically. For that reason, its study can be very subversive to mainstream promotions.

    I hope this explanation in term of narratives and their impressions makes the point, that “Truth”, as commonly used, isn’t really a very helpful concept for discussing psychological, political and propagandistic beliefs. The notion of truth just isn’t, well, truthful.

  • @Poupon Marx
    “Objective facts”. LMAO! More! More!

    “Objective facts”. LMAO! More! More!

    Glad you enjoyed it! Now your turn: tell us what gives you cognitive dissonance so we can get a good laugh from that.

  • i roundly disagree with this statement: The powerless are either servants of power or they are heretics. There is no third alternative.

    of course there is a third alternative and most people belong to it. It is those who are indifferent either because “I don’t care” or because “there is nothing i can do.” this is the large majority of the populace. Hopkins indirectly acknowledges this when he writes:

    At the same time, it is important to realize that “the truth” is not going to “rouse the masses from their slumber” and inspire them to throw off their chains. People are not going to suddenly “wake up,” “see the truth” and start “the revolution.”

    People already know the truth … the official truth, which is the only truth there is. NO the slumbering masses do not already know. That is why there is and needs to be Hopkins, Greenwald, etc. etc. to provide the alternative truth.

    • Replies: @cassandra

    People already know the truth … the official truth, which is the only truth there is. NO the slumbering masses do not already know. That is why there is and needs to be Hopkins, Greenwald, etc. etc. to provide the alternative truth.
     
    Actually, a lot of this makes more sense using the word narrative in place of truth. It may seem to be a strange distinction, but it seems to be that we hold our political knowledge more in the form of stories about, and impressions of, circumstances, than as a collection of "facts".

    Propaganda seeks to tell us stories that leave us with some impression that we carry on afterwards for further accumulation and reinforcement. For example, seeing a cartoon of Putin as an octopus, or with blood-drenched teeth, facilitates acceptance of a later characterization of him as a brutal dictator. Gradually, but sooner than you might think, you're uncritically adding every derogative you read to this collection of negativity, which eventually becomes so entangled within itself that it becomes difficult to understand any other.

    Presenting counter-narratives to pop such a bubble is guaranteed to fail, as we can see by witnessing all the political battles between people who try to present their worldview to their opposition, and then feel frustrated when their sincerest efforts fail to be persuasive.

    What does produce activity IMHO is a counter-narrative so limited that it provokes no contradiction, and yet is discordant enough to trigger a reevaluation, i.e., a "red pill". At one time, I had been inclined to take the Economist's line that economic reform benefited the Philippines, citing examples of prosperous hyacinth farms beginning to dot the landscape. But elsewhere, I came across stories of how such corporate "prosperity" was ejecting rice growers from their lands, and driving the women of the families of these formerly self-sustaining farmers to the sex shops of the Southeast Asian mainland. It's interesting to note here that there was no contradiction between the facts in both stories; none were contested. The real collision was between the conflicting impressions that the narratives left, which forced me to form a more inclusive impression that respected both pictures.

    History is replete with such "supplementary facts" which do not contradict mainstream or "elite" narratives directly, but which do produce an impression at odds with the mainstream, whose incorporation can shift the narrative of our understanding seismically. For that reason, its study can be very subversive to mainstream promotions.

    I hope this explanation in term of narratives and their impressions makes the point, that "Truth", as commonly used, isn't really a very helpful concept for discussing psychological, political and propagandistic beliefs. The notion of truth just isn't, well, truthful.
  • @cassandra

    The current generation of these people have had hundreds of years behind them, and all the money in the world, to work at their craft, and they are very very good at it. No offence intended to you, or to anyone who may experience cognitive dissonance when exposed to objective facts that seem to wholly contradict what they had previously thought to be an unshakable reality.
     
    I agree 100%.

    I get excessively impatient with people who say about their political opponents, "How can people be so stupid!" The question should be, how can people possibly maintain any mental integrity in the face of such never-ending media propaganda?

    According to Barbara Honneger,
    (https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false),
    in February 1981 CIA Director William Casey said,

    We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false
     
    Propaganda seems now to be more than just a tool of political manipulation, but a routine exercise to test and maintain political power.

    Every time I delve into any major issue, I've found the mainstream narrative to be entirely misleading. Issues include not only the "American Pravda" issues that Ron Unz has discussed, but also the Climate Change story, the Russian collusion myth, Russian geopolitical plans, Putin and Trump's relations, and even Charlottesville (why did the MSM start calling the episode an "attack" straight from the gate without evidence?)

    And cultural deceptions: the existence of Jesus and Mohammed, the notion that religious beliefs are generally benign (at least Islam and Judaism have core doctrines antogonistic toward outsiders), and that unrestricted multiculturalism is intrinsically beneficial. And of course, that culture not chromosomes determine gender.

    There's also the overriding notion that the elites behave like enlightened despots wishing to improve their societies, as exemplified, for instance, by neoliberal economics, with austerity "reforms" and global trade pacts written by corporate lawyers.

    There are problems if not outright lies with what's told on all these subjects, and I find my worldview on ever-increasingly shaky grounds.

    Fortunately for myself, I have an interest in fundamental science and mathematics, so I actually enjoy the cognitive dissonance this situation produces and find it quite stimulating. It does make me a somewhat annoying Thanksgiving guest to have at the table, though.

    “Objective facts”. LMAO! More! More!

    • Replies: @cassandra

    “Objective facts”. LMAO! More! More!
     
    Glad you enjoyed it! Now your turn: tell us what gives you cognitive dissonance so we can get a good laugh from that.
  • This is a Western derivative and limited scope, and of not much consequence or depth.

    The Buddha discovered Truths. They are eternal and describe The Reality we live in

  • @FB
    Glad you liked my first blog post dubya...I plan to cover both the civilian and military aspects of aerospace technology...and that includes some space stuff too...

    Being there in Yuma you can see some of that stuff up close...I think the flight tests on the Osprey tiltrotor are done there...an interesting machine, but perhaps a little too complicated...

    Hugs and slow blinks to Lilly and Sharky...

    Lots of routine V-22 Osprey ops.

    There’s one maneuver I find particularly interesting, and that’s the slow, low, and silent approach of an F-35 Lightning practicing a gun-and-run.

    Don’t even hear the thing coming, until it’s right there, just overhead. As if it glided in, under next to no power. Then punching out, with a howling turbine all wound-up to full-tilt after-burner, rattling windows, loosening trailer rivets, setting off car alarms and barking dogs.

    Most people around here don’t pay any attention, as they’re so used to these foaming at the mouth, combat aircraft.

    Lily’s used to it, but Sharky seems to be finding it all, rather novel.

  • The right wing Ecuadorean government of President Moreno continues to churn out its production line of fake documents regarding Julian Assange, and channel them straight to MI6 mouthpiece Luke Harding of the Guardian. Amazingly, more Ecuadorean Government documents have just been discovered for the Guardian, this time spy agency reports detailing visits of Paul Manafort...
  • • Replies: @letters
    Can you spare that dictionary of yours for a few ticks and lend it to the President?

    He promises to return it, but will leave you his "smocking" gun as security.

    (don't "l-u-agh" now)
  • If you’re one of the millions of human beings who, despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary, still believe there is such a thing as “the truth,” you might not want to read this essay. Seriously, it can be extremely upsetting when you discover that there is no “truth” … or rather, that what...
  • @Kratoklastes

    Try “….mutatur *et* lex” next time.
     
    Ordinarily I would absolutely agree - but that's not what is written ina US judgement that cites it, which is a New Jersey Supreme Court case (Fox v Snow, 76 A. 2d 877 [1950]).

    I admit that I was being lazy - Fox v Snow is bookmarked because it contains both formulations of the concept... I copied the text of the 'maxim' from there and pasted it without reading it.

    In mitigation, I offer that my copy of Coke's Reports[*] Vol IV (which is where the original text is) is in a scanned-image PDF that is not amenable to searching.

    Scalia cited Milborn's case in his dissent in Rogers v Tennessee 532 U.S. 451 (2001), whereupon his minion obviously copied the text from Milborn more diligently.

    I need better minions (however in future I will get the magic dead-language incantation right).

    Weirdly: Fox v Snow also uses the "cessante/cessat" formulation, although differently (its text reads Cessante ratione legis, cessat et ipsa lex - they add the 'et' - which makes the odd usage of 'ex' even stranger in their rendition of the 'ratione' form. Since it was 'Joizee' in the 50s, maybe they had shit minions too.

    [*] It's actually called The reports of Sir Edward Coke, knt. [1572-1617] in English, in thirteen parts complete; with references to all the ancient and modern books of the law, and as befits a 19th century edition, it's in the public domain having been scanned by Google's All-Seeing Eye back before Google became evil.

    Milborn's case (Trin 29 Eliz. ) starts in Vol IV, Part VII, p62... it's actually a very interesting case: whether a locality can be 'amerced' - held accountable - for failing to fulfil its obligation to keep the countryside safe, if the crime (a robbery) occurs at night (it actually happened some time before dawn). {Spoiler: Nope.}

    You remind me of the kind of old fashioned lawyer’s jokes and jibes I came across in youth through knowing a famous, classically educated, judge born in 1886. He had known Chief Justice of the High Court (Australia’s highest appeal court) Sir Samuel Griffith whose prestige was no doubt essential to the error which his ignorance or pretentiousness made permanent currency for later judges and high flying silks.

    Sec 51 of Australia’s Constitution sets out in a large number of paragraphs most of the powers conferred on the Commonwealth (federal) parliament. But it became commonplace, even customary to refer to them as placita, with abbreviation pl. for placitum. E.g. “If the Court pleases the appellants argument rest firmly on interpretation of placitum (xy)”.

    My old acquaintance liked to sneer in a genial way that it was all down to the learned Griffith’s lack of enough Latin to recognise that the “pl. XIV” or whatever in the Medieval Year Books from which most Common Law case law was first derived stood for “Plea number XIV”.

  • This entire blog, like the article is a bit disjointed, not because of the contributors, but, I suspect, because the truth is as well. Truth isn’t quite the same thing to a politician, to a historian, to a philosopher, to a theologian, to a scientist or to a mathematician. As we’ve seen here, discussions often begins by first establishing the common arena in which truth will be discussed. It’s as if the concept of the truth is an abstraction that can be applied to different forms of what passes for human understanding.

    Here’s a finding on what truth is like in pure mathematics. (Apologies for my oversimplified, mangled explanation; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems for a more comprehensive discussion.)

    There’s a famous result proven by Kurt Godel, that applies to any logical system based on axioms, that can be manipulated by numeric rules which can be combined to determine the truth or falsehood of other propositions (think equations, or geometry).

    No matter what set of axioms (“fundamental truths”) you choose for your system, either you’ll find that you won’t be able to determine whether some propositions are true or false (system is incomplete), or, you’ll need so many axioms that you’ll be able to prove that propositions that contradict each other can both be proven true.

    (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems)

    There; and you thought that propaganda made it difficult to find political truth 😉

  • FB says: • Website
    @wayfarer
    Extremely interesting, “The Adventure Begins.” Learned so much, in so few words.

    Living next to MCAS Yuma, I've been quite curious as to the basic mechanics of these machines, in general jet aircraft but in particular the combat aircraft.

    I dream of a world where machines are fundamentally simple, robust, and standardized.

    Will be following your future work, FB (a.k.a. Juliett Golf Oscar).

    Glad you liked my first blog post dubya…I plan to cover both the civilian and military aspects of aerospace technology…and that includes some space stuff too…

    Being there in Yuma you can see some of that stuff up close…I think the flight tests on the Osprey tiltrotor are done there…an interesting machine, but perhaps a little too complicated…

    Hugs and slow blinks to Lilly and Sharky…

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    Lots of routine V-22 Osprey ops.

    There's one maneuver I find particularly interesting, and that's the slow, low, and silent approach of an F-35 Lightning practicing a gun-and-run.

    Don't even hear the thing coming, until it's right there, just overhead. As if it glided in, under next to no power. Then punching out, with a howling turbine all wound-up to full-tilt after-burner, rattling windows, loosening trailer rivets, setting off car alarms and barking dogs.

    Most people around here don't pay any attention, as they're so used to these foaming at the mouth, combat aircraft.

    Lily's used to it, but Sharky seems to be finding it all, rather novel.

    , @The scalpel
    Didn't see you started a blog! Bookmarked. Looking forward to learning more
  • @RobinG

    The Bible is a detailed and historically accurate book.
     
    LOL.

    I dare you to read it. Scared you might learn something? How has that been working out? LOL back at you. How old are you child? I have great grand children that use lol.

  • @Anon
    Your overflowing brain lacks discrimination. What possible reason is there to believe that Hitler would choose a flight to Scotland by Hess as his method of delivering peace proposals to Britain? Isn't the truth more like Hess resenting being sidelined by Bormann' s growing influence on Hitler and a mad attempt to reestablish his relevance?

    You are speculating needlessly about Hess’ “resentment” and “desire to restore relevance.” Hess flew to Scotland, he said he had peace proposals. The people who told Chamberlain and Churchill what to do, the people behind WW II, did not want to hear of peace proposals. Their desire was to destroy this threat to themselves and they did want peace. Simple. After the war they did not want Hess talking about Hitler’s desire for peace so he remained in solitary until he died, in what, 1992. You may not lack discrimination, but you have an agenda.

    • Replies: @Anon
    You don't make it clear whether you accept the Dutchman's nonsensical idea that Hitler might choose to make a serious peace proposal to the UK by sending Hess, flying himself, to Scotland. Assuming you understand the absurdity of that fantasy I understand you to be saying that Churchill ought to have insisted on taking Hess's peace proposals seriously. But why? On what possible reasoning? It would have been folly to take Hess's mission seriously except to ensure that he was treated in a way which allowed him to give up whatever he might know that was of interest to MI6.

    Thus, prima facie, you have nothing sensible to say on the subject and your careless grammar where you say "Their desire was to destroy this threat to themselves and they did [sic] want peace" makes no sense and only contributes confusion as to whether you have anything intelligible to say on the subject. Despite all that I invite you to say where you get the curious idea that Chamberlain and then Churchill had people who told them what to do about some decisions or policies that you have not identified or defined and whom you believe they actually obeyed for some reason. Who? When? Why? On what issues? On what evidence? What did Churchill say about Hess and his mission? What did Martin Gilbert, WSC's biographer say?
  • @TimothyPMadden
    No I get no pleasure from fooling anyone. I try to educate people to see things that have been carefully mis-labeled to make them seem to be something that they are not, and positively not the things that they are.

    The current generation of these people have had hundreds of years behind them, and all the money in the world, to work at their craft, and they are very very good at it. No offence intended to you, or to anyone who may experience cognitive dissonance when exposed to objective facts that seem to wholly contradict what they had previously thought to be an unshakable reality.

    To borrow the words of Mr. Royce (I think) to the initial overwhelming negative response to the then new 1907 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost - If you liked it right away, then it would already be dated.

    The current generation of these people have had hundreds of years behind them, and all the money in the world, to work at their craft, and they are very very good at it. No offence intended to you, or to anyone who may experience cognitive dissonance when exposed to objective facts that seem to wholly contradict what they had previously thought to be an unshakable reality.

    I agree 100%.

    I get excessively impatient with people who say about their political opponents, “How can people be so stupid!” The question should be, how can people possibly maintain any mental integrity in the face of such never-ending media propaganda?

    According to Barbara Honneger,
    (https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false),
    in February 1981 CIA Director William Casey said,

    We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false

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    Propaganda seems now to be more than just a tool of political manipulation, but a routine exercise to test and maintain political power.

    Every time I delve into any major issue, I’ve found the mainstream narrative to be entirely misleading. Issues include not only the “American Pravda” issues that Ron Unz has discussed, but also the Climate Change story, the Russian collusion myth, Russian geopolitical plans, Putin and Trump’s relations, and even Charlottesville (why did the MSM start calling the episode an “attack” straight from the gate without evidence?)

    And cultural deceptions: the existence of Jesus and Mohammed, the notion that religious beliefs are generally benign (at least Islam and Judaism have core doctrines antogonistic toward outsiders), and that unrestricted multiculturalism is intrinsically beneficial. And of course, that culture not chromosomes determine gender.

    There’s also the overriding notion that the elites behave like enlightened despots wishing to improve their societies, as exemplified, for instance, by neoliberal economics, with austerity “reforms” and global trade pacts written by corporate lawyers.

    There are problems if not outright lies with what’s told on all these subjects, and I find my worldview on ever-increasingly shaky grounds.

    Fortunately for myself, I have an interest in fundamental science and mathematics, so I actually enjoy the cognitive dissonance this situation produces and find it quite stimulating. It does make me a somewhat annoying Thanksgiving guest to have at the table, though.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    “Objective facts”. LMAO! More! More!
    , @TimothyPMadden
    I have found that the term "systematized delusion" as defined in the law dictionary is the most universally appropriate description of process. A false premise, pursued by a logical process of reasoning to an insane conclusion.

    It occurred to me in the early 1990's that "They always get you at the door".

    Are you in the game?

    Yes.

    Then you lose.

    The administrators are simply not that bright (they probably could be, but have chosen not to be) and can only function according to a template or pattern of behaviour that we have all been programmed to call "policy".

    A full appreciation, however, requires an understanding of the de facto doctrine or doctrine of necessity. De facto means "in fact, and for the time being".

    Assume, for example, that you are the driver of a car, and that you have just come to a stop at a traffic-light-controlled intersection, and where there is a “No Left Turn” sign above the red light signal, and others elsewhere in the intersection. But before the light turns green, a police officer arrives and gets off his motorcycle and takes a position in the middle of the intersection and directs you to turn left.

    The question is: Do you obey the sign and drive straight forward when the light turns green?, or do you follow the officer’s direction and turn left?

    Legally, you have to turn left, even though the “No Left Turn” sign is otherwise legal / legitimate, because you are following the same authority “in fact and for the time being” as represented by the police officer.

    Notwithstanding the presence of the legal “No Left Turn” sign, the driver is complying with the policy of the authority (Crown) as administered by its officer(s) “in fact and for the time being”, and so there is no offence.

    With respect to nominal speed limits on the highway, it is the actual and announced policy of the Crown (or state government in the US) that drivers are encouraged to exceed the posted limit by a reasonable amount in the interests of traffic flow.

    That policy is then administered by the RCMP, for example, as agents of the Crown and “for the time being”.

    But if a given officer chooses to issue an offence ticket to a given driver, because such driver has, in the opinion of the officer, exceeded the posted limit by an unreasonable amount, then they will claim and charge the driver simply with exceeding the posted limit.

    That is fraud and maladministration on the face of it (also technically and in fact racketeering). At its most basic level, the Crown is not supposed to be engaging in such carny-level bait-and-switch con games. Such things are presumed to be beneath the dignity of the Crown to engage in.

    Procedurally, what the government and the courts are doing under the nominal speed limit laws is the same as charging the first driver, mentioned above, who follows the police officer’s directions to turn left, with failure to obey the “No Left Turn” sign.

    But further than that, the most salient aspect of the racketeering-based-enforcement model is that it is such an obviously legally and ethically defective system, yet the same socially caustic, corruptive, and corrosive system has remained firmly entrenched throughout most of the world since shortly after the invention of the automobile.

    We must consider at least the bare possibility that the racketeering-based corrosive system is in place domestically and globally as policy and for its own sake.

    Finally, to complete the model, assume that the real reason the police officer is standing in the middle of the intersection directing you to turn left, is because his brother-in-law has just opened a new store on the cross street and needs customers.

    That, in a nutshell, is how the whole world works. Everything that the people think is being done by law is actually policy, and it is the private policy of the administrators and is most often the diametric opposite of what the law provides. Is that clear?
  • @WorkingClass
    Your truth, my truth and the official truth may be bullshit. But the truth is real or there could be no lies.

    But the truth is real or there could be no lies.

    Nice return of the kickoff at #1, WorkingClass.

  • @FB
    Oh man...that is such nice news W...I hope you can provide this little gal with the home that she is looking for...that's the thing with cats, they choose you...kind of like women...LOL...[and there's not much you can really do about it after the fact]

    PS...I've included a link above to a brand new blog I've started...you may enjoy my first entry...!

    Extremely interesting, “The Adventure Begins.” Learned so much, in so few words.

    Living next to MCAS Yuma, I’ve been quite curious as to the basic mechanics of these machines, in general jet aircraft but in particular the combat aircraft.

    I dream of a world where machines are fundamentally simple, robust, and standardized.

    Will be following your future work, FB (a.k.a. Juliett Golf Oscar).

    • Replies: @FB
    Glad you liked my first blog post dubya...I plan to cover both the civilian and military aspects of aerospace technology...and that includes some space stuff too...

    Being there in Yuma you can see some of that stuff up close...I think the flight tests on the Osprey tiltrotor are done there...an interesting machine, but perhaps a little too complicated...

    Hugs and slow blinks to Lilly and Sharky...
  • @Wizard of Oz
    Just some quibbles with one question attached. The smallest quibble is your mumpsimus. Try "....mutatur *et* lex" next time. (Latin efficiently use its word for "and" to mean "also" - not to forget "Et tu Brute").

    As to how decisive the quoted maxim or the later American version would be, I would be confident of finding more decisions where courts had said, in effect or actually, "nonetheless this remains a statute of the national/state legislature and it is only the legislature elected by the people which has power to repeal or amend it". It would of course be a nice one for a moot court (as a notional appeals court) to consider whether a jury verdict in a witchcraft trial under some 17th century statute should be upheld if the only thing wrong with the trial was that witnesses swore to facts which we now, as moderns, know were impossible.

    My question/quibble relates to your objection to the use of sniffer dogs to establish probable cause for search because it is no better than a coin toss. That seems fallacious if, according to your figures, the dogs sniff 500 people and get excited by 10 of them of which 3 are correctly identified and 7 are false positives. By contrast, how might a coin toss work? I'm not sure exactly what you have in mind but one way would be to say that we expertly/rationally estimate that, say, 10 or 3 of 500 will be drug carriers so we are going to choose those 3 or 10 by some random system of coin tossing - perhaps tossing a coin 3 or 10 times on to a roulette type wheel with 500 numbered landing zones....

    Try “….mutatur *et* lex” next time.

    Ordinarily I would absolutely agree – but that’s not what is written ina US judgement that cites it, which is a New Jersey Supreme Court case (Fox v Snow, 76 A. 2d 877 [1950]).

    I admit that I was being lazy – Fox v Snow is bookmarked because it contains both formulations of the concept… I copied the text of the ‘maxim’ from there and pasted it without reading it.

    In mitigation, I offer that my copy of Coke’s Reports[*] Vol IV (which is where the original text is) is in a scanned-image PDF that is not amenable to searching.

    Scalia cited Milborn’s case in his dissent in Rogers v Tennessee 532 U.S. 451 (2001), whereupon his minion obviously copied the text from Milborn more diligently.

    I need better minions (however in future I will get the magic dead-language incantation right).

    Weirdly: Fox v Snow also uses the “cessante/cessat” formulation, although differently (its text reads Cessante ratione legis, cessat et ipsa lex – they add the ‘et’ – which makes the odd usage of ‘ex’ even stranger in their rendition of the ‘ratione‘ form. Since it was ‘Joizee‘ in the 50s, maybe they had shit minions too.

    [*] It’s actually called The reports of Sir Edward Coke, knt. [1572-1617] in English, in thirteen parts complete; with references to all the ancient and modern books of the law, and as befits a 19th century edition, it’s in the public domain having been scanned by Google’s All-Seeing Eye back before Google became evil.

    Milborn’s case (Trin 29 Eliz. ) starts in Vol IV, Part VII, p62… it’s actually a very interesting case: whether a locality can be ‘amerced’ – held accountable – for failing to fulfil its obligation to keep the countryside safe, if the crime (a robbery) occurs at night (it actually happened some time before dawn). {Spoiler: Nope.}

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You remind me of the kind of old fashioned lawyer's jokes and jibes I came across in youth through knowing a famous, classically educated, judge born in 1886. He had known Chief Justice of the High Court (Australia's highest appeal court) Sir Samuel Griffith whose prestige was no doubt essential to the error which his ignorance or pretentiousness made permanent currency for later judges and high flying silks.

    Sec 51 of Australia's Constitution sets out in a large number of paragraphs most of the powers conferred on the Commonwealth (federal) parliament. But it became commonplace, even customary to refer to them as placita, with abbreviation pl. for placitum. E.g. "If the Court pleases the appellants argument rest firmly on interpretation of placitum (xy)".

    My old acquaintance liked to sneer in a genial way that it was all down to the learned Griffith's lack of enough Latin to recognise that the "pl. XIV" or whatever in the Medieval Year Books from which most Common Law case law was first derived stood for "Plea number XIV".
  • @jilles dykstra
    How one can assert anything based on old stories, read
    Robert Eisenman, ‘The New Testament Code, The cup of the Lord, the Damascus convenant, and The blood of Christ’, London 2006
    A hopeless book, after 200 pages one sees but one good place for it; dustbin.
    But one never knows, so I persevered for all its 1300 pages.

    Interesting in this respect also is
    Wilhelm Kammeier, ‘Die Wahrheit über die Geschichte des Spätmittelalters’, 1936- 1939, 1979, Wobbenbüll
    The writer argues that the whole history of christianity was invented in the Middle Ages.
    He specifies in great detail on what this history is based, the oldest book a copy made in the 12th or so century.

    But one thing does not lie: the earth archive.
    Ceasar's propaganda was believed until the 19th century, THE great debunking instrument: the spade.

    That Paul created christianity as a secret agent of the Roman emperor, simply see him as MSM of two thousand years ago.
    If Jesus existed, with Mozes, and other biblical people, I do not know, and will never know, I suppose.
    At the same time, does it matter ?
    Christian ideas still are quite important in the world.

    If Jesus existed, with Moses, and other biblical people, I do not know, and will never know, I suppose.
    At the same time, does it matter?
    Christian ideas still are quite important in the world.

    The facts are that Christianity as practiced by Europe and America has advanced all of mankind. Clearly not perfectly, just a gradual steady better.

    Factually true or not, the story portraying Jesus’ idealism – is a practical beneficial model to live by.

    Think Peace — Art

  • Reference:

    Welfare by Mink and Sallinger

  • FB says: • Website
    @wayfarer
    Lily is doing just fine, thanks for asking, FB.

    A wily orphan kitten showed up unexpectedly at my trailer several weeks back. Scared, seeking shelter, and no doubt hoping to find a place to call home.

    This one's real smart and friendly as well, with lots of personality. She's camouflaged like a leopard shark, so I call her "Sharky."

    She's a keeper!

    Hope all of the cats in your world, are loving life too.

    source: https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/leopard-shark

    Oh man…that is such nice news W…I hope you can provide this little gal with the home that she is looking for…that’s the thing with cats, they choose you…kind of like women…LOL…[and there’s not much you can really do about it after the fact]

    PS…I’ve included a link above to a brand new blog I’ve started…you may enjoy my first entry…!

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    Extremely interesting, “The Adventure Begins.” Learned so much, in so few words.

    Living next to MCAS Yuma, I've been quite curious as to the basic mechanics of these machines, in general jet aircraft but in particular the combat aircraft.

    I dream of a world where machines are fundamentally simple, robust, and standardized.

    Will be following your future work, FB (a.k.a. Juliett Golf Oscar).
    , @Vendetta
    I’m not finding the blog link you referred to, could I trouble you to post it again?
  • The ruling class trains and hires people like C.J. Hopkins. If you don’t agree with the police state views at first there’s always an alternate half-wit to reinforce the same material by flipping the mirror. The Soviets sent dissenters to psychiatric hospitals just like in the US. Look, today’s ruling class uses technology to keep the brainwashed masses in online gulags. “Men of peace” like Chris Hedges visit you weekly. It’s always the ones you least suspect. Don’t be a commie. Slaves who refused to believe they were free. Soon another memorial will be dedicated to the victims of communism perhaps by another Bush.

  • @jilles dykstra
    How one can assert anything based on old stories, read
    Robert Eisenman, ‘The New Testament Code, The cup of the Lord, the Damascus convenant, and The blood of Christ’, London 2006
    A hopeless book, after 200 pages one sees but one good place for it; dustbin.
    But one never knows, so I persevered for all its 1300 pages.

    Interesting in this respect also is
    Wilhelm Kammeier, ‘Die Wahrheit über die Geschichte des Spätmittelalters’, 1936- 1939, 1979, Wobbenbüll
    The writer argues that the whole history of christianity was invented in the Middle Ages.
    He specifies in great detail on what this history is based, the oldest book a copy made in the 12th or so century.

    But one thing does not lie: the earth archive.
    Ceasar's propaganda was believed until the 19th century, THE great debunking instrument: the spade.

    That Paul created christianity as a secret agent of the Roman emperor, simply see him as MSM of two thousand years ago.
    If Jesus existed, with Mozes, and other biblical people, I do not know, and will never know, I suppose.
    At the same time, does it matter ?
    Christian ideas still are quite important in the world.

    False logic. Just because you can assert nonsense and lies based upon “old stories” does not mean you cannot also assert truth on the basis of old stories. You say that Robert Eisenman is nonsense. This is true, and it is obvious from what he writes, how he writes, and what he writes about himself. He is a fraud, and his purpose is to create confusion because that is his chaotic and narcissistic nature. He says his parents were “assimilated Jews.” What does that mean, really? What would you expect him to say about Christianity? Religion, like politics is the promised land of the con man, but that does not mean that everything is false and that there is no statesmanship or good religion or philosophy. You have to be discriminating in your thinking and not swallow everything.

  • @nsa
    This is a very interesting question. The finest history ever written is The Twelve Caesars by Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus. The famous Penguin edition is translated by none other than the poet, Robert Graves, and serves as the basis of his popular novels I, Claudius and Claudius the God. If JC existed at all, it would have been during the reign of Augustus (27BC - 14AD). There is no mention of JC in the Augustus chapter and no reference to JC in the whole book. There is a short one sentence reference to a "Chresto" stirring up the jooies in Rome in the Claudius (41 AD -54AD) chapter, which the chrissies have fastened onto as an allusion to their hero. Most historians dispute this interpretation. The first reference to chrissies appears in the chapter covering Nero (54AD - 68AD): "Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief". Again, there is no definite reference to JC anywhere in The Twelve Caesars, and there are only a few references to the troublemaking chrissies, but quite a few references to the troublemaking jooies. For example, in the Vespasian (69AD to 79AD) chapter, a paragraph is dedicated to Vespasian crushing a jooie rebellion after the Governor of Judea was murdered by the jooies in order to fulfill a prophecy.
    For those few interested, the Suetonius history presents an obvious contradiction. How is it possible to have references to Christians, but no references to JC? Hmmmmmm..........

    Because the references are not references to Christians. Christos means “Messiah” or “anointed one” so when Tacitus talks about “Chrestiani” these are insurgent anti-Roman groups whose leaders were touted as “Messiahs.” So, Jewish Messianists set fire to Rome, an act of terrorism, but not Christians, because as we can see from the Gospels, the Christians are actually pro-Roman, and instead, they are anti-Jewish establishment. The most telling example of a revolutionary messiah was BarKochba in 130 who was actually endorsed as Messiah by Rabbi Akiva. The Bar Kochba people killed anyone who professed to follow another Messiah and Jesus Christians would have been internal enemy number one.

  • WARNING: Contains Content That Some May Find Truthful.


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  • @jilles dykstra
    I meant that what you write is so incomprehensible to me that I'm unable to respond

    That is fair enough. Thank you for your honesty.

  • @nsa
    This is a very interesting question. The finest history ever written is The Twelve Caesars by Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus. The famous Penguin edition is translated by none other than the poet, Robert Graves, and serves as the basis of his popular novels I, Claudius and Claudius the God. If JC existed at all, it would have been during the reign of Augustus (27BC - 14AD). There is no mention of JC in the Augustus chapter and no reference to JC in the whole book. There is a short one sentence reference to a "Chresto" stirring up the jooies in Rome in the Claudius (41 AD -54AD) chapter, which the chrissies have fastened onto as an allusion to their hero. Most historians dispute this interpretation. The first reference to chrissies appears in the chapter covering Nero (54AD - 68AD): "Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief". Again, there is no definite reference to JC anywhere in The Twelve Caesars, and there are only a few references to the troublemaking chrissies, but quite a few references to the troublemaking jooies. For example, in the Vespasian (69AD to 79AD) chapter, a paragraph is dedicated to Vespasian crushing a jooie rebellion after the Governor of Judea was murdered by the jooies in order to fulfill a prophecy.
    For those few interested, the Suetonius history presents an obvious contradiction. How is it possible to have references to Christians, but no references to JC? Hmmmmmm..........

    The Historical Jesus: An Open Secret. The basic presupposition of critical-historical scholarship on the figure of Jesus over the last few hundred years is that the world-shattering impact of this 1st century Jew’s brief public career was soon domesticated by the early Christian communities, who found the radical challenge of his life and teachings almost impossible to live with.

    The central task of historical reconstruction, then, is to dig beneath the mythic and supernatural encrustations that were built up around Jesus and then ossified in the developing streams of early the Church (e.g. the Virgin Birth, the ‘only begotten’ son of God, substitutionary atonement, the pre-existing Logos, the Second Coming, etc.) in order to re-activate the “historical Jesus” – the earliest memory of this Galilean sage as he lived and breathed prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon.

    Now, in contrast to much modern-day skepticism about the historical reliability of the Christian gospels, the case to be made here is that the earliest memory of this Nazarene trouble-maker has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission in the 1st century. For (as we shall see below), the recorded parables of Jesus are so distinctive in their underlying structure and so memorable in their paradoxical shock and offense, that it is now clear that the unique signature of this itinerant Nazarene Jew’s characteristic oral voice-print is embedded within the narrative core of virtually all the parables of Jesus that have been handed down to us.

    Or more specifically, the linguistic DNA of the author of those teachings attributed to this itinerant Nazarene and preserved in the early gospels traditions is still intact today. For within the very heart of all the parables of Jesus that were remembered, retold and written down by his followers at the early dawn of Christianity is one and the same peerless and incomparable linguistic structure, where the evocative strangeness of Jesus’ mad-capped stories on the kingdom of God contain a shattering event that haunts and provokes us with a simultaneous promise/threat or invitation/challenge.

    So, what would the parables of Jesus look like if we stripped away all subsequent Christian interpretation and embellishment, extracted them from the accumulated doctrinal lumber built-up by the confessional theologies of the Church over the past two millennia, and started to retell the story of Jesus’ proclamation of God’s kingdom be unleashed in its first, disturbing, immediacy?

    Here’s the briefest possible summary:

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    Good Samaritan Luke 10:25-37: the agents of neighborly love, i.e. the devout Pharisee & Levite priest, are exposed as morally and religiously bankrupt; the morally and religiously bankrupt, i.e. the half-caste Samaritan, is an agent of neighbor love.

    Prodigal Son Luke 15:11-32: the younger wayward son, who is lost in rebellious exile from home, is saved with the father’s homecoming feast, the older dutiful son, who is saved in righteous obedience to his father’s home, is lost in rebellious exile from the homecoming feast.

    Vineyard Workers Matthew 20:1-16: the privileged status of those who started work at daybreak is the source of their envy and their sense of injustice; the envy and injustice of those who started work just before sundown, is the occasion for their privileged status, (when both groups receive equal pay from the vineyard owner).

    Pharisee and Tax Collector Luke 18:10-14: the self-righteous Pharisee, who is saved in as a Temple insider – is lost, just as the sinful Tax Collector, who is lost as a Temple outsider – is saved.

    Two Sons Matthew 21:28-32: the acceptance of the first son is a refusal to work in the field, and the refusal of the second son is an acceptance to go work in the field.

    The Friend at Midnight Luke 11:5-8, where: the refusal of a friend becomes the acceptance of stranger, while the persistence of a stranger is the faithfulness of a friend.

    Shrewd Manager Luke 16:1-8: where: a shrewd business manager has condemned his employer as a fraud, as this fraud is praised by his employer as a shrewd business manager.

    Unjust Judge Luke 18: 2-8: we see: the refusal to back down of a fearless judge is a merciful delivery of justice, just as the merciful pleas of the widow for justice are a fearless refusal to back down.

    Unforgiving Slave (Matthew 18:23-35): an occasion for judgment is act of forgiveness, an occasion for forgiveness is an act of judgment.

    Rich Fool (Luke 12:16-21, Gospel of Thomas 63): the wisdom of working to secure one’s future is foolish hoarding, the foolishness of an unsettled and uncertain future, is wisdom and security.

    Final Judgment (Matthew 25:31-46): those who know God’s name are damned in never serving the poor, while those who serve the poor are saved even though they never knew God by name.

    Great Banquet (Luke 14: 16-24, Matthew 22:2-14, Gospel Thomas 64): the ones who to get in are the ones who are expected to be left out; while the ones who are left out are the ones who are expected to get in.

    Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31): the rich man who is glorified in this life is destitute and without hope in the afterlife, just as Lazarus who is destitute and without hope in this life is glorified in the afterlife.

    Wedding Feast (Matthew 22: 1-14): the outsiders are in, just as the insiders are out.

    Treasure in the Field (Matthew 13:44) finding is losing and losing is finding.

    Pear of Great Price (Matthew 13:45-46): looking through many is finding one, selling many is buying one.

    Father’s Good Gifts (Matt 7:9-11, Luke 11:11-13): the suggestion of false gifts is an affirmation of good gifts, while the affirmation of good gifts is the suggestion false gifts (compared to the good gifts of the Father)

    Talents (Matthew 25:14-30): the risk of losing what has been given is to save one’s life, to save what has been given is to risk of losing one’s life.

    Slave at Duty (Luke 17:7-10): an occasion for grace is a demand for good works, while the occasion of good works is a confession of grace.

    Faithful and Wise Slave (Matthew 24:45-51, Luke 12:42-46): to be a slave in the master’s absence is to possess all the riches in his presence, while to possess of all the master’s riches in his absence, is to be a slave in his presence.

    Waiting Slaves (Mark 13:34-37, Luke 12:35-38): a promise is a threat as a threat is a promise.

    Wicked Tenants (Mark 12:1-12, Matthew 21:33-46, Luke 20:9-19, Thomas 65-66): a time for fruitfulness is an occasion of violence, while an occasion for violence is really the time for fruitfulness.

    Sower (Mark 4:3-8, Matthew 13: 3-8, Luke 8:5-8, Gospel of Thomas 9): just as abundant sowing leads to widespread scarcity, the scarcity of a few seeds in good soil leads to widespread abundance.

    Weeds and the Wheat (Matthew 13:24-30): a cause for division is a time for union, and what is a cause for union is a time for division.

    Barren Fig Tree (Luke 13:6-9): what is expected to be fruitful is judged to be barren, and a judgment of barren-ness is an opportunity for fruitfulness.

    Seed Growing Secretly (Mark 4:26-29): manual labor is natural growth and natural growth is the manual labor.

    Lost Sheep (Luke 15:4-7) and the Lost Coin (Luke 15:8-10): the one that is lost is more valuable than the many that are saved.

    Children Playing (Matt 11:16-19, Luke 7:31-35): the funeral song is too sad for those that want to play the wedding dance, and the wedding song is too happy for those that want to sing the funeral dirge

    So, contrary to much modern-day skepticism about the historical reliability of the Christian gospels, and even some recent attempts to deny that Jesus even existed as a historical person, buried in the radical dawn of the early Christian tradition there is a characteristic deep structure embedded in the parables of the Jesus that were recorded in the synoptic gospel texts and handed down to us.

    And while this unique pattern of paradoxical connections within the underlying structure of Jesus’ most memorable teachings has remained buried beneath Church traditions for nearly 2000 years, by re-activating the mind-bending event that these traditions harbor prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon, we not only demonstrate the historical existence of this itinerant 1st century Nazarene, but also confirm that the earliest memory of this Jesus has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission with the original signature of his historical voice-print still intact.

    Moreover, this new perspective can – and does – provide us with the best available evidence for a retrieval of Jesus’ authentic message and his original intentions in announcing the coming of the Kingdom, while offering a novel insight into the interior life of this radical Jew and his intimate access to his own experience of God.

    By unsettling the binary oppositions that constitute the very form and content of human language, Jesus’ discourse of radical paradox is a skilful means for a piercing through our protective defences and exposing the defects in any system that attempts to legitimize the status quo or justifying the “way things are” by interrupting our pre-given horizons of meaning with series of subversive reversals in the expected story-line at its deepest level that put language under pressure and puts into question our taken for granted assumptions about reality.

    And not only do we stand right before the historical person of Jesus when reading those enigmatic and mind-bending parables that were remembered and written down by early Christian communities, the paradoxical poetics of Jesus’ parables – which interrupt our conventional expectations and de-stabilize fixed identities, also embody a deeper internal discord than the teachings of any other religious founder or tradition.

    Simply put, Jesus’ central proclamation of the kingdom of God is a world with a void of meaning at its core, or as the Dom Crossan states, “he who finds the meaning loses it, and he who loses the meaning finds it…” In other words, these profound paradoxes can never be properly resolved, their spectral un-decidability is something we have to learn to live as they continually decentre us and put us into question while exposing us to the disruptive novelty of the event that is harbored in Jesus’ call for the coming of God’s kingdom.

  • @cassandra

    Can you prove differently? The Bible is a detailed and historically accurate book.
     
    Well, now that that is settled, we can begin the discussion.

    What a handy syllogism for proving all sorts of things I never would have suspected. For instance, I can't prove that Zeus doesn't exist, so Zeus must exist.

    Houston, we have a problem.

    I can’t prove that Zeus doesn’t exist, so Zeus must exist.

    Try out NEW! God & Son brand deity. Our new special Israelite formula performs miracles – watch Rabbi Goldstein scour your bank account clean* using our patented goyische kopf method.

    *not intended for removal of original sin stains

  • @Wally
    Didn't Roman historians write about Jesus?

    I'm curious, were / are there official Roman records of his execution?

    You do not seem to comprehend that, as far as I know, no old book is older than say the year 1000, in the original.
    When anyone mentions a say third century writer, hardly ever is explained that what can be read now is something written, say, in the thirteenth century, presented to us, the ‘we’ of then, as a copy, or already a copy of a copy.
    It has been demontrated that these copyists did not simply copy, but changed what they thought necessary.
    Old writings simply fall apart, considerable parts of the Dead Sea scrolls literally were blown away, when someone began to exxamine them on a flat roof somewhere in the ME.
    But there is one peculiar Dead Sea scroll, the one written on copper sheeting, specifying where the temple treasures had been hidden.
    The importance of money demonstrated in the best possible way, in my opinion.
    When you read detailed descriptions about the political rows over the Dead Sea scrolls, I for one lost any illusion that examining these fragments was aimed at finding the truth.

  • @Wally
    Didn't Roman historians write about Jesus?

    I'm curious, were / are there official Roman records of his execution?

    Wally, yes the famous Roman historian Tacitus in his “Annals”. He writes that Christianity was a distinct religion from Judaism. That Christianity originated in Roman Palestine. That Christians trace their origin to a man known as The Christ(name Jesus not mentioned) and that the ” ultimate punishment” was inflicted on The Christ on the authority of Praetor Pontius Pilate. Tacitus held positions of high authority in the Roman government including Governor of Anatolia, and was a member of an official agency tasked with studying and advising the government on forgein religions. He had access to primary sources and is not known for repeating hearsay or inaccuracies, as Herodotus is notorious for doing. Tacitus also writes of the official persecution of Christians, including over The Great Fire, where one of Nero’s cruel punishments was nailing Christians to crosses. Modern historians consider the account by Tacitus to be reliable confirmation of the existence and execution of Christ. Tacitus was hostile to Christianity, but wrote favorably of Celt and German resistance to Roman domination.

  • @TimothyPMadden
    No I get no pleasure from fooling anyone. I try to educate people to see things that have been carefully mis-labeled to make them seem to be something that they are not, and positively not the things that they are.

    The current generation of these people have had hundreds of years behind them, and all the money in the world, to work at their craft, and they are very very good at it. No offence intended to you, or to anyone who may experience cognitive dissonance when exposed to objective facts that seem to wholly contradict what they had previously thought to be an unshakable reality.

    To borrow the words of Mr. Royce (I think) to the initial overwhelming negative response to the then new 1907 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost - If you liked it right away, then it would already be dated.

    I meant that what you write is so incomprehensible to me that I’m unable to respond

    • Replies: @TimothyPMadden
    That is fair enough. Thank you for your honesty.
  • @ploni almoni
    In 1950 a French Semitologist named Andre Dupont-Sommer published a translation of a Dead Sea Scroll which clearly described a historic Essene leader who was crucified in 69 BC by the Jews. He was criticized by everyone, Jesuits and scholars, for "jumping the gun." The existence of the person in the scroll is corroborated by the Yeshua Toledot or anti-Jesus propaganda in the Talmud which dates from a century before the Gospels. In fact, this anti-Jesus propaganda dates from 69 BC because it takes place in the reign of Queen Salome who died shortly thereafter. While the Gospels may not be literally true as to the time and circumstance, the substance of the matter is not false either. In fact, Pilate's unanswered question: "What is truth" is a rhetorical treatment of exactly this question, namely, how true is the Gospel if it knows that what happened actually happened a hundred years earlier than when the Gospels say, before the Romans even arrived in Syria. The reason is that until the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, the possible meaning of what happened was not clear to anyone, not even the Essenes, who were the only ones concerned by it. Even they had to adjust what they thought about it all in a big way after that event. But their subsequent treatment of it made the evening news, and made it of interest to others. The whole matter is discussed in the "Second Coming of the Judeo-Zoroastrian Jesus of the Dead Sea Scrolls" much of which you can read on Amazon for free.

    How one can assert anything based on old stories, read
    Robert Eisenman, ‘The New Testament Code, The cup of the Lord, the Damascus convenant, and The blood of Christ’, London 2006
    A hopeless book, after 200 pages one sees but one good place for it; dustbin.
    But one never knows, so I persevered for all its 1300 pages.

    Interesting in this respect also is
    Wilhelm Kammeier, ‘Die Wahrheit über die Geschichte des Spätmittelalters’, 1936- 1939, 1979, Wobbenbüll
    The writer argues that the whole history of christianity was invented in the Middle Ages.
    He specifies in great detail on what this history is based, the oldest book a copy made in the 12th or so century.

    But one thing does not lie: the earth archive.
    Ceasar’s propaganda was believed until the 19th century, THE great debunking instrument: the spade.

    That Paul created christianity as a secret agent of the Roman emperor, simply see him as MSM of two thousand years ago.
    If Jesus existed, with Mozes, and other biblical people, I do not know, and will never know, I suppose.
    At the same time, does it matter ?
    Christian ideas still are quite important in the world.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    False logic. Just because you can assert nonsense and lies based upon "old stories" does not mean you cannot also assert truth on the basis of old stories. You say that Robert Eisenman is nonsense. This is true, and it is obvious from what he writes, how he writes, and what he writes about himself. He is a fraud, and his purpose is to create confusion because that is his chaotic and narcissistic nature. He says his parents were "assimilated Jews." What does that mean, really? What would you expect him to say about Christianity? Religion, like politics is the promised land of the con man, but that does not mean that everything is false and that there is no statesmanship or good religion or philosophy. You have to be discriminating in your thinking and not swallow everything.
    , @Art

    If Jesus existed, with Moses, and other biblical people, I do not know, and will never know, I suppose.
    At the same time, does it matter?
    Christian ideas still are quite important in the world.
     
    The facts are that Christianity as practiced by Europe and America has advanced all of mankind. Clearly not perfectly, just a gradual steady better.

    Factually true or not, the story portraying Jesus’ idealism - is a practical beneficial model to live by.

    Think Peace --- Art
  • @jilles dykstra
    Lasch demonstrated that already in the Nixon era truth no longer mattered in the USA
    Christopher Lasch, 'The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations', 1979, 1980, London
    Whyte showed that even USA college graduates understood so little of money that they were unable to oversee their own finances
    William H. Whyte, ‘The organisation man’, New York 1956, Penguin 1961
    But there seems to be improvement with regard to money
    Juliet B. Schor, 'The Overspent American, Upscaling, Downshifting, and the New Consumer', 1998 New York
    That an article appears here over the concept truth, also hopeful.
    The creationists here, a surprise for someone living in a country where Muslims are the largest religious group.
    For those really interested in how the concept truth evolved
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Truth, A History and a Guide for the Perplexed’, New York 1997

    Thank you for drawing Felipe F-as book to my attention.

    A thought which your reference to college students and their finances reminded me of. I suggest that the widespread innumeracy afflicting nearly all nations, like the relatively trivial fact that our memory for people’s names tends to be poor and to decline early, is a function of evolution by natural selection working on people living in primitive hunter gatherer circumstances. I have read that there are tribes whose language only has one, two and many for dealing with the numerous. And how often would it have been necessary or even useful to use numbers greater than ten at most? Maybe “how big is their raiding party?” but “maybe bigger than our fighting group but we can surprise them” would have been the answer. As for calculation, there is reason to believe that astronomy and trigonometry were always for specialists.

  • @DL.
    BINGO! You know I just love explaining to atheists that their evolution construct is as bogus as their "there is no God" construct. https://omegabooksnet.com/downloadFREEPDF

    And how do those atheists show their gratitude for your taking the trouble to impart your superior wisdom? Do they cover their mouths and pretend to smile when yawning?

  • @HallParvey
    You do realize that God invented Evolution.

    Of course God invented Evolution. If you were eternal, omnipotent and omniscient wouldn’t you be lonely and bored? As we know about those “made in His image” we know he would have set off evolution so he could watch and be entertained. It had another advantage too. Being omniscient He would have known that we would invent the Problem of Evil and start whining about Him so He could be content knowing that Evolution was a way of letting it all hang out with results out of His hands.

    Another thing we know in the same way. How ridiculous to suppose such a Being would be content to create just one universe. Would we, made in His image, have the patience? Of course not. There must be trillions to the power of trillions of universes. We just got one of the moderately interesting one’s probably.

  • Anon[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " In what can be described as a monumental step forward in the relentless pursuit of 9/11 truth "

    With events as Sept 11, Pearl Harbour, the holocaust, FDR's possible guarantee to Poland in August 1939, FDR's probable deal with Stalin in 1933, the flying boat accident in Scotland, 1943, from memory, there was a body too many, the JFK murder, the Hammarskjöld accident, the Liberty accident, the Ton Kin Gulf incident, Assad's and Saddam's use of poison gas, there is no and will never be a relentless pursuit of truth, as the truth may be leading to falls of governments, politicians in jail, a country changing overnight from champion of peace and democracy to a rogue state.
    Speeches as Chrustjow's in the sixties, exposing Stalin, very exceptional.

    It has never been explained who was the unknown body in the 1943 Scottish flying boat accident, if this was Hess, then wo was the man in Spandau, and what would he have told had he not been suicided ?
    In the mid nineties a member of the British cabinet stated in GB parliament that the 1941 Hess documents, in fact, I suppose Hitler' peace offer, still were a threat to GB national security.
    Pearl Habor, the 1946 Senate investigation, ten members, six Democrats, four Republicans, three different conclusions based on the same evidence.
    The Democrats of course did not see how FDR had deliberately provoked Pearl Harbour, they were in the majority, so their report became truth.

    Now, is there no objective truth about Pearl Harbour ?
    Of course there is, since 1946 many then unknown, or hidden facts, came to light.

    So again, also in matters with a high political importance, truth exists, but as political importance is becoming more important, the forces that at any cost want to hide the truth become more powerful.
    Time helps them, witnesses die, of natural causes, or otherwise, documents are 'lost', such as the 1937 Frankfurter diary.

    Public interest wanes, just a third of those living in Europe seem to know about the holocaust any more, despite remembrances, several times a year, monuments with huge numbers of names, trials against concentration camp guards, obligatory visits of heads of states to holocaust musea, new reparations sources, such as now the Dutch railways.

    Your overflowing brain lacks discrimination. What possible reason is there to believe that Hitler would choose a flight to Scotland by Hess as his method of delivering peace proposals to Britain? Isn’t the truth more like Hess resenting being sidelined by Bormann’ s growing influence on Hitler and a mad attempt to reestablish his relevance?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    You are speculating needlessly about Hess' "resentment" and "desire to restore relevance." Hess flew to Scotland, he said he had peace proposals. The people who told Chamberlain and Churchill what to do, the people behind WW II, did not want to hear of peace proposals. Their desire was to destroy this threat to themselves and they did want peace. Simple. After the war they did not want Hess talking about Hitler's desire for peace so he remained in solitary until he died, in what, 1992. You may not lack discrimination, but you have an agenda.
  • @Art
    We all know the reason “Truth” does not have chance in the MSM, it is because Jews control it. Only favorable half-truths can be published.

    Poor Mr. Hopkins – he is a slave – he has lost his freedom – he cannot say the truth in this article. He cannot say “Jew.”

    If he uses that word – he will lose his livelihood in the publishing world.

    He is harmed. How sad! How sad for the best thing that has ever happen on this Earth – America.

    Think Peace --- Do No harm --- Art

    p.s. Does the US Jew have an inkling of the damage he has done to America.

    p.s. Does the US Jew have an inkling of the damage he has done to America.

    do you have an inkling how little he cares?

  • @Wally
    Didn't Roman historians write about Jesus?

    I'm curious, were / are there official Roman records of his execution?

    This is a very interesting question. The finest history ever written is The Twelve Caesars by Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus. The famous Penguin edition is translated by none other than the poet, Robert Graves, and serves as the basis of his popular novels I, Claudius and Claudius the God. If JC existed at all, it would have been during the reign of Augustus (27BC – 14AD). There is no mention of JC in the Augustus chapter and no reference to JC in the whole book. There is a short one sentence reference to a “Chresto” stirring up the jooies in Rome in the Claudius (41 AD -54AD) chapter, which the chrissies have fastened onto as an allusion to their hero. Most historians dispute this interpretation. The first reference to chrissies appears in the chapter covering Nero (54AD – 68AD): “Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief”. Again, there is no definite reference to JC anywhere in The Twelve Caesars, and there are only a few references to the troublemaking chrissies, but quite a few references to the troublemaking jooies. For example, in the Vespasian (69AD to 79AD) chapter, a paragraph is dedicated to Vespasian crushing a jooie rebellion after the Governor of Judea was murdered by the jooies in order to fulfill a prophecy.
    For those few interested, the Suetonius history presents an obvious contradiction. How is it possible to have references to Christians, but no references to JC? Hmmmmmm……….

    • Replies: @CamFree
    The Historical Jesus: An Open Secret. The basic presupposition of critical-historical scholarship on the figure of Jesus over the last few hundred years is that the world-shattering impact of this 1st century Jew’s brief public career was soon domesticated by the early Christian communities, who found the radical challenge of his life and teachings almost impossible to live with.

    The central task of historical reconstruction, then, is to dig beneath the mythic and supernatural encrustations that were built up around Jesus and then ossified in the developing streams of early the Church (e.g. the Virgin Birth, the ‘only begotten’ son of God, substitutionary atonement, the pre-existing Logos, the Second Coming, etc.) in order to re-activate the "historical Jesus" - the earliest memory of this Galilean sage as he lived and breathed prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon.

    Now, in contrast to much modern-day skepticism about the historical reliability of the Christian gospels, the case to be made here is that the earliest memory of this Nazarene trouble-maker has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission in the 1st century. For (as we shall see below), the recorded parables of Jesus are so distinctive in their underlying structure and so memorable in their paradoxical shock and offense, that it is now clear that the unique signature of this itinerant Nazarene Jew’s characteristic oral voice-print is embedded within the narrative core of virtually all the parables of Jesus that have been handed down to us.

    Or more specifically, the linguistic DNA of the author of those teachings attributed to this itinerant Nazarene and preserved in the early gospels traditions is still intact today. For within the very heart of all the parables of Jesus that were remembered, retold and written down by his followers at the early dawn of Christianity is one and the same peerless and incomparable linguistic structure, where the evocative strangeness of Jesus’ mad-capped stories on the kingdom of God contain a shattering event that haunts and provokes us with a simultaneous promise/threat or invitation/challenge.

    So, what would the parables of Jesus look like if we stripped away all subsequent Christian interpretation and embellishment, extracted them from the accumulated doctrinal lumber built-up by the confessional theologies of the Church over the past two millennia, and started to retell the story of Jesus’ proclamation of God’s kingdom be unleashed in its first, disturbing, immediacy?

    Here’s the briefest possible summary:

    Good Samaritan Luke 10:25-37: the agents of neighborly love, i.e. the devout Pharisee & Levite priest, are exposed as morally and religiously bankrupt; the morally and religiously bankrupt, i.e. the half-caste Samaritan, is an agent of neighbor love.

    Prodigal Son Luke 15:11-32: the younger wayward son, who is lost in rebellious exile from home, is saved with the father’s homecoming feast, the older dutiful son, who is saved in righteous obedience to his father’s home, is lost in rebellious exile from the homecoming feast.

    Vineyard Workers Matthew 20:1-16: the privileged status of those who started work at daybreak is the source of their envy and their sense of injustice; the envy and injustice of those who started work just before sundown, is the occasion for their privileged status, (when both groups receive equal pay from the vineyard owner).

    Pharisee and Tax Collector Luke 18:10-14: the self-righteous Pharisee, who is saved in as a Temple insider - is lost, just as the sinful Tax Collector, who is lost as a Temple outsider - is saved.

    Two Sons Matthew 21:28-32: the acceptance of the first son is a refusal to work in the field, and the refusal of the second son is an acceptance to go work in the field.

    The Friend at Midnight Luke 11:5-8, where: the refusal of a friend becomes the acceptance of stranger, while the persistence of a stranger is the faithfulness of a friend.

    Shrewd Manager Luke 16:1-8: where: a shrewd business manager has condemned his employer as a fraud, as this fraud is praised by his employer as a shrewd business manager.

    Unjust Judge Luke 18: 2-8: we see: the refusal to back down of a fearless judge is a merciful delivery of justice, just as the merciful pleas of the widow for justice are a fearless refusal to back down.

    Unforgiving Slave (Matthew 18:23-35): an occasion for judgment is act of forgiveness, an occasion for forgiveness is an act of judgment.

    Rich Fool (Luke 12:16-21, Gospel of Thomas 63): the wisdom of working to secure one's future is foolish hoarding, the foolishness of an unsettled and uncertain future, is wisdom and security.

    Final Judgment (Matthew 25:31-46): those who know God’s name are damned in never serving the poor, while those who serve the poor are saved even though they never knew God by name.

    Great Banquet (Luke 14: 16-24, Matthew 22:2-14, Gospel Thomas 64): the ones who to get in are the ones who are expected to be left out; while the ones who are left out are the ones who are expected to get in.

    Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31): the rich man who is glorified in this life is destitute and without hope in the afterlife, just as Lazarus who is destitute and without hope in this life is glorified in the afterlife.

    Wedding Feast (Matthew 22: 1-14): the outsiders are in, just as the insiders are out.

    Treasure in the Field (Matthew 13:44) finding is losing and losing is finding.

    Pear of Great Price (Matthew 13:45-46): looking through many is finding one, selling many is buying one.

    Father’s Good Gifts (Matt 7:9-11, Luke 11:11-13): the suggestion of false gifts is an affirmation of good gifts, while the affirmation of good gifts is the suggestion false gifts (compared to the good gifts of the Father)

    Talents (Matthew 25:14-30): the risk of losing what has been given is to save one’s life, to save what has been given is to risk of losing one’s life.

    Slave at Duty (Luke 17:7-10): an occasion for grace is a demand for good works, while the occasion of good works is a confession of grace.

    Faithful and Wise Slave (Matthew 24:45-51, Luke 12:42-46): to be a slave in the master's absence is to possess all the riches in his presence, while to possess of all the master's riches in his absence, is to be a slave in his presence.

    Waiting Slaves (Mark 13:34-37, Luke 12:35-38): a promise is a threat as a threat is a promise.

    Wicked Tenants (Mark 12:1-12, Matthew 21:33-46, Luke 20:9-19, Thomas 65-66): a time for fruitfulness is an occasion of violence, while an occasion for violence is really the time for fruitfulness.

    Sower (Mark 4:3-8, Matthew 13: 3-8, Luke 8:5-8, Gospel of Thomas 9): just as abundant sowing leads to widespread scarcity, the scarcity of a few seeds in good soil leads to widespread abundance.

    Weeds and the Wheat (Matthew 13:24-30): a cause for division is a time for union, and what is a cause for union is a time for division.

    Barren Fig Tree (Luke 13:6-9): what is expected to be fruitful is judged to be barren, and a judgment of barren-ness is an opportunity for fruitfulness.

    Seed Growing Secretly (Mark 4:26-29): manual labor is natural growth and natural growth is the manual labor.

    Lost Sheep (Luke 15:4-7) and the Lost Coin (Luke 15:8-10): the one that is lost is more valuable than the many that are saved.

    Children Playing (Matt 11:16-19, Luke 7:31-35): the funeral song is too sad for those that want to play the wedding dance, and the wedding song is too happy for those that want to sing the funeral dirge

    So, contrary to much modern-day skepticism about the historical reliability of the Christian gospels, and even some recent attempts to deny that Jesus even existed as a historical person, buried in the radical dawn of the early Christian tradition there is a characteristic deep structure embedded in the parables of the Jesus that were recorded in the synoptic gospel texts and handed down to us.

    And while this unique pattern of paradoxical connections within the underlying structure of Jesus’ most memorable teachings has remained buried beneath Church traditions for nearly 2000 years, by re-activating the mind-bending event that these traditions harbor prior to his subsequent inscription within the New Testament canon, we not only demonstrate the historical existence of this itinerant 1st century Nazarene, but also confirm that the earliest memory of this Jesus has indeed survived the historical process of oral and written transmission with the original signature of his historical voice-print still intact.

    Moreover, this new perspective can - and does - provide us with the best available evidence for a retrieval of Jesus’ authentic message and his original intentions in announcing the coming of the Kingdom, while offering a novel insight into the interior life of this radical Jew and his intimate access to his own experience of God.

    By unsettling the binary oppositions that constitute the very form and content of human language, Jesus' discourse of radical paradox is a skilful means for a piercing through our protective defences and exposing the defects in any system that attempts to legitimize the status quo or justifying the “way things are” by interrupting our pre-given horizons of meaning with series of subversive reversals in the expected story-line at its deepest level that put language under pressure and puts into question our taken for granted assumptions about reality.

    And not only do we stand right before the historical person of Jesus when reading those enigmatic and mind-bending parables that were remembered and written down by early Christian communities, the paradoxical poetics of Jesus’ parables - which interrupt our conventional expectations and de-stabilize fixed identities, also embody a deeper internal discord than the teachings of any other religious founder or tradition.

    Simply put, Jesus' central proclamation of the kingdom of God is a world with a void of meaning at its core, or as the Dom Crossan states, “he who finds the meaning loses it, and he who loses the meaning finds it...” In other words, these profound paradoxes can never be properly resolved, their spectral un-decidability is something we have to learn to live as they continually decentre us and put us into question while exposing us to the disruptive novelty of the event that is harbored in Jesus’ call for the coming of God’s kingdom.
    , @ploni almoni
    Because the references are not references to Christians. Christos means "Messiah" or "anointed one" so when Tacitus talks about "Chrestiani" these are insurgent anti-Roman groups whose leaders were touted as "Messiahs." So, Jewish Messianists set fire to Rome, an act of terrorism, but not Christians, because as we can see from the Gospels, the Christians are actually pro-Roman, and instead, they are anti-Jewish establishment. The most telling example of a revolutionary messiah was BarKochba in 130 who was actually endorsed as Messiah by Rabbi Akiva. The Bar Kochba people killed anyone who professed to follow another Messiah and Jesus Christians would have been internal enemy number one.
  • @jilles dykstra
    How do you know that Jesus ever existed ?

    In 1950 a French Semitologist named Andre Dupont-Sommer published a translation of a Dead Sea Scroll which clearly described a historic Essene leader who was crucified in 69 BC by the Jews. He was criticized by everyone, Jesuits and scholars, for “jumping the gun.” The existence of the person in the scroll is corroborated by the Yeshua Toledot or anti-Jesus propaganda in the Talmud which dates from a century before the Gospels. In fact, this anti-Jesus propaganda dates from 69 BC because it takes place in the reign of Queen Salome who died shortly thereafter. While the Gospels may not be literally true as to the time and circumstance, the substance of the matter is not false either. In fact, Pilate’s unanswered question: “What is truth” is a rhetorical treatment of exactly this question, namely, how true is the Gospel if it knows that what happened actually happened a hundred years earlier than when the Gospels say, before the Romans even arrived in Syria. The reason is that until the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, the possible meaning of what happened was not clear to anyone, not even the Essenes, who were the only ones concerned by it. Even they had to adjust what they thought about it all in a big way after that event. But their subsequent treatment of it made the evening news, and made it of interest to others. The whole matter is discussed in the “Second Coming of the Judeo-Zoroastrian Jesus of the Dead Sea Scrolls” much of which you can read on Amazon for free.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    How one can assert anything based on old stories, read
    Robert Eisenman, ‘The New Testament Code, The cup of the Lord, the Damascus convenant, and The blood of Christ’, London 2006
    A hopeless book, after 200 pages one sees but one good place for it; dustbin.
    But one never knows, so I persevered for all its 1300 pages.

    Interesting in this respect also is
    Wilhelm Kammeier, ‘Die Wahrheit über die Geschichte des Spätmittelalters’, 1936- 1939, 1979, Wobbenbüll
    The writer argues that the whole history of christianity was invented in the Middle Ages.
    He specifies in great detail on what this history is based, the oldest book a copy made in the 12th or so century.

    But one thing does not lie: the earth archive.
    Ceasar's propaganda was believed until the 19th century, THE great debunking instrument: the spade.

    That Paul created christianity as a secret agent of the Roman emperor, simply see him as MSM of two thousand years ago.
    If Jesus existed, with Mozes, and other biblical people, I do not know, and will never know, I suppose.
    At the same time, does it matter ?
    Christian ideas still are quite important in the world.
  • What is happening today is that, with the populist wave which unsettled the political establishment in the West, the liberal-democratic Truth (the Big Lie with a Leftist or Rightist twist) that has served as an ideological foundation for this establishment is also falling apart. And the ultimate reason for this disintegration is the failure of the ruling establishment to maintain its ideological hegemony by manufacturing the consent of the voting public… What those who bemoan the “death of truth” really deplore is the disintegration of one big Story more or less accepted by the majority, a story, which used to bring ideological stability to a society. But one thing is clear: there is no return to the old ideological hegemony. The only way to return to Truth is to reconstruct it from a new cognitive interest in universal emancipation.

    For when all the boundaries between God and Satan collapse and we have no way of telling: a democratically elected President from an unaccountable tyrant, a diabolical madman from the leader of the free world, a free and civilized nation from the fearful and enslaved masses, a time of peace and security from a permanent state of emergency, the consensus of educated experts from a foolish mass delusion, the cold hard truth from a fabricated web of lies, a conspiracy theory from an official government pronouncement, a fanatical Islamic terrorist group from a US proxy army in the Middle East, the ruling political class from a degenerate criminal cabal, the corporate media’s propaganda machine from free and independent journalism, liberal-progressive language policing from a fundamentalist brainwashing cult, or a mass surveillance state of centralized social control from freedom of speech and the open-ended exchange of ideas – when we can no longer disambiguate these opposing forces, or collapse the agonizing tension between these twosomes, then we have crossed the critical threshold, and the situation is ripe for collective uprising and a non-violent populist insurgency

    At this historical moment we are all beset by the unsettling ambiguity of this spectral, in-between liminal space, where what we thought was the Truth is suspended as we are plunged into the empty/pregnant void, an absence of meaning that eludes all our programs of mastery, an anarchic abyss that slips through the grasp of all our schemes and strategies, and resists reduction to any human justification or rational explanation. It feels like the world as we know it is falling apart at the seams, but don’t despair the situation is perfect. For when there is no necessary order to secure the Truth or guarantee the meaning of the world as we know it, then the field of possibilities is wide open, and what is called the Truth is once again up for grabs. There is no such thing as the emergence of human freedom without this passage through madness, but by exposing the Truth as a Big Lie at least we’ve achieved the conditions that make a different – and hopefully better – world possible.

  • We all know the reason “Truth” does not have chance in the MSM, it is because Jews control it. Only favorable half-truths can be published.

    Poor Mr. Hopkins – he is a slave – he has lost his freedom – he cannot say the truth in this article. He cannot say “Jew.”

    If he uses that word – he will lose his livelihood in the publishing world.

    He is harmed. How sad! How sad for the best thing that has ever happen on this Earth – America.

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

    p.s. Does the US Jew have an inkling of the damage he has done to America.

    • Replies: @anon

    p.s. Does the US Jew have an inkling of the damage he has done to America.
     
    do you have an inkling how little he cares?
  • @Wally
    Didn't Roman historians write about Jesus?

    I'm curious, were / are there official Roman records of his execution?

    Hi: This is just from memory as I cannot find the citation (am currently on the road), but there is a book titled (I think) A Criminal History of Mankind. It was published in the 1980’s (I think) and I read it in 2016 or so. In it the author reproduces what is claimed to be the equivalent of a Roman “All Points Bulletin” or APB to be on the lookout for Jesus, and gives a description of a short, balding (male-pattern-baldness) slightly heavy / overweight man with a red / ruddy complexion. In short, what one would have expected instead of the way he is portrayed as a tall blue-eyed Arian in so many modern renditions.

    As I recall the book was generally well documented and you can likely find it in index at the back (otherwise it is about 700 pages and may take some time to locate).

    It is in the same chapter as the account of the Appian Way – a 200 kilometre long road leading to Rome where, in a single act of reprisal, the Romans crucified 6,000 slaves who had joined in an insurrection. Basically one on each side of the road every few hundred meters to send a message to everyone else. Fun bunch of guys those old Romans.

  • @Agent76
    Can you prove differently? The Bible is a detailed and historically accurate book. I challenge you to at least read the New Testament since Jesus died and said it is finished with his last breath and that means the old law was finished. AKA Old Testament.

    This is a intellectual approach if this is what you are seeking.

    Aug 6, 2013 Evolution Vs. God Movie

    Hear expert testimony from leading evolutionary scientists from some of the world's top universities:

    • Peter Nonacs, Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, UCLA
    • Craig Stanford, Professor, Biological Sciences and Anthropology, USC
    • PZ Myers, Associate Professor, Biology, University of Minnesota Morris
    • Gail E. Kennedy, Associate Professor, Anthropology, UCLA

    https://youtu.be/U0u3-2CGOMQ?list=PLIMAX6WHtnhB-42IPH_TWqwCRyZVuHOS-

    Can you prove differently? The Bible is a detailed and historically accurate book.

    Well, now that that is settled, we can begin the discussion.

    What a handy syllogism for proving all sorts of things I never would have suspected. For instance, I can’t prove that Zeus doesn’t exist, so Zeus must exist.

    Houston, we have a problem.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    I can’t prove that Zeus doesn’t exist, so Zeus must exist.
     
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  • @jilles dykstra
    Trying to fool me ?

    No I get no pleasure from fooling anyone. I try to educate people to see things that have been carefully mis-labeled to make them seem to be something that they are not, and positively not the things that they are.

    The current generation of these people have had hundreds of years behind them, and all the money in the world, to work at their craft, and they are very very good at it. No offence intended to you, or to anyone who may experience cognitive dissonance when exposed to objective facts that seem to wholly contradict what they had previously thought to be an unshakable reality.

    To borrow the words of Mr. Royce (I think) to the initial overwhelming negative response to the then new 1907 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost – If you liked it right away, then it would already be dated.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    I meant that what you write is so incomprehensible to me that I'm unable to respond
    , @cassandra

    The current generation of these people have had hundreds of years behind them, and all the money in the world, to work at their craft, and they are very very good at it. No offence intended to you, or to anyone who may experience cognitive dissonance when exposed to objective facts that seem to wholly contradict what they had previously thought to be an unshakable reality.
     
    I agree 100%.

    I get excessively impatient with people who say about their political opponents, "How can people be so stupid!" The question should be, how can people possibly maintain any mental integrity in the face of such never-ending media propaganda?

    According to Barbara Honneger,
    (https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false),
    in February 1981 CIA Director William Casey said,

    We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false
     
    Propaganda seems now to be more than just a tool of political manipulation, but a routine exercise to test and maintain political power.

    Every time I delve into any major issue, I've found the mainstream narrative to be entirely misleading. Issues include not only the "American Pravda" issues that Ron Unz has discussed, but also the Climate Change story, the Russian collusion myth, Russian geopolitical plans, Putin and Trump's relations, and even Charlottesville (why did the MSM start calling the episode an "attack" straight from the gate without evidence?)

    And cultural deceptions: the existence of Jesus and Mohammed, the notion that religious beliefs are generally benign (at least Islam and Judaism have core doctrines antogonistic toward outsiders), and that unrestricted multiculturalism is intrinsically beneficial. And of course, that culture not chromosomes determine gender.

    There's also the overriding notion that the elites behave like enlightened despots wishing to improve their societies, as exemplified, for instance, by neoliberal economics, with austerity "reforms" and global trade pacts written by corporate lawyers.

    There are problems if not outright lies with what's told on all these subjects, and I find my worldview on ever-increasingly shaky grounds.

    Fortunately for myself, I have an interest in fundamental science and mathematics, so I actually enjoy the cognitive dissonance this situation produces and find it quite stimulating. It does make me a somewhat annoying Thanksgiving guest to have at the table, though.
  • @jilles dykstra
    How do you know that Jesus ever existed ?

    Didn’t Roman historians write about Jesus?

    I’m curious, were / are there official Roman records of his execution?

    • Replies: @TimothyPMadden
    Hi: This is just from memory as I cannot find the citation (am currently on the road), but there is a book titled (I think) A Criminal History of Mankind. It was published in the 1980's (I think) and I read it in 2016 or so. In it the author reproduces what is claimed to be the equivalent of a Roman "All Points Bulletin" or APB to be on the lookout for Jesus, and gives a description of a short, balding (male-pattern-baldness) slightly heavy / overweight man with a red / ruddy complexion. In short, what one would have expected instead of the way he is portrayed as a tall blue-eyed Arian in so many modern renditions.

    As I recall the book was generally well documented and you can likely find it in index at the back (otherwise it is about 700 pages and may take some time to locate).

    It is in the same chapter as the account of the Appian Way - a 200 kilometre long road leading to Rome where, in a single act of reprisal, the Romans crucified 6,000 slaves who had joined in an insurrection. Basically one on each side of the road every few hundred meters to send a message to everyone else. Fun bunch of guys those old Romans.
    , @nsa
    This is a very interesting question. The finest history ever written is The Twelve Caesars by Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus. The famous Penguin edition is translated by none other than the poet, Robert Graves, and serves as the basis of his popular novels I, Claudius and Claudius the God. If JC existed at all, it would have been during the reign of Augustus (27BC - 14AD). There is no mention of JC in the Augustus chapter and no reference to JC in the whole book. There is a short one sentence reference to a "Chresto" stirring up the jooies in Rome in the Claudius (41 AD -54AD) chapter, which the chrissies have fastened onto as an allusion to their hero. Most historians dispute this interpretation. The first reference to chrissies appears in the chapter covering Nero (54AD - 68AD): "Punishments were also inflicted on the Christians, a sect professing a new and mischievous religious belief". Again, there is no definite reference to JC anywhere in The Twelve Caesars, and there are only a few references to the troublemaking chrissies, but quite a few references to the troublemaking jooies. For example, in the Vespasian (69AD to 79AD) chapter, a paragraph is dedicated to Vespasian crushing a jooie rebellion after the Governor of Judea was murdered by the jooies in order to fulfill a prophecy.
    For those few interested, the Suetonius history presents an obvious contradiction. How is it possible to have references to Christians, but no references to JC? Hmmmmmm..........
    , @Bombercommand
    Wally, yes the famous Roman historian Tacitus in his "Annals". He writes that Christianity was a distinct religion from Judaism. That Christianity originated in Roman Palestine. That Christians trace their origin to a man known as The Christ(name Jesus not mentioned) and that the " ultimate punishment" was inflicted on The Christ on the authority of Praetor Pontius Pilate. Tacitus held positions of high authority in the Roman government including Governor of Anatolia, and was a member of an official agency tasked with studying and advising the government on forgein religions. He had access to primary sources and is not known for repeating hearsay or inaccuracies, as Herodotus is notorious for doing. Tacitus also writes of the official persecution of Christians, including over The Great Fire, where one of Nero's cruel punishments was nailing Christians to crosses. Modern historians consider the account by Tacitus to be reliable confirmation of the existence and execution of Christ. Tacitus was hostile to Christianity, but wrote favorably of Celt and German resistance to Roman domination.
    , @jilles dykstra
    You do not seem to comprehend that, as far as I know, no old book is older than say the year 1000, in the original.
    When anyone mentions a say third century writer, hardly ever is explained that what can be read now is something written, say, in the thirteenth century, presented to us, the 'we' of then, as a copy, or already a copy of a copy.
    It has been demontrated that these copyists did not simply copy, but changed what they thought necessary.
    Old writings simply fall apart, considerable parts of the Dead Sea scrolls literally were blown away, when someone began to exxamine them on a flat roof somewhere in the ME.
    But there is one peculiar Dead Sea scroll, the one written on copper sheeting, specifying where the temple treasures had been hidden.
    The importance of money demonstrated in the best possible way, in my opinion.
    When you read detailed descriptions about the political rows over the Dead Sea scrolls, I for one lost any illusion that examining these fragments was aimed at finding the truth.
  • @HallParvey

    It seems impossibly obvious in this simple example, but with several of them orchestrated simultaneously or sequentially, anything can truly be made to mean anything.
     
    So, Clinton was right, after all.

    These things depend to a great extent on the ambiguity of words and the individual understanding of their meanings. "Thou shalt not kill" would seem to be an unambiguous statement, yet it seems to allow for slaughtering the enemy, when ordered by a ruling authority.

    Or, maybe not. It's all in the interpretation, isn't it, Bill?

    Hi! I get it now – you are referring to Bill Clinton and his famous response to the impeachment committee or whatever that: “It depends on what the meaning of the word is, is.”

    I did not actually see it at the time as I did not have a television set (still don’t) but I heard about it from many of my friends at the time.

    I have always been a kind of anti-conspiracy-theorist who tells people to calm down and look for a more logical explanation, but many of my friends at the time were convinced that Mr. Clinton was in fact sending a signal to the powers-that-be that if they did not back off, then he was going to give away the whole game.

    I thought at the time that that was a little much, but I am not so sure anymore!

    Thanks for that regardless as I had forgotten all about it. Tim.

  • @Agent76
    Can you prove differently? The Bible is a detailed and historically accurate book. I challenge you to at least read the New Testament since Jesus died and said it is finished with his last breath and that means the old law was finished. AKA Old Testament.

    This is a intellectual approach if this is what you are seeking.

    Aug 6, 2013 Evolution Vs. God Movie

    Hear expert testimony from leading evolutionary scientists from some of the world's top universities:

    • Peter Nonacs, Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, UCLA
    • Craig Stanford, Professor, Biological Sciences and Anthropology, USC
    • PZ Myers, Associate Professor, Biology, University of Minnesota Morris
    • Gail E. Kennedy, Associate Professor, Anthropology, UCLA

    https://youtu.be/U0u3-2CGOMQ?list=PLIMAX6WHtnhB-42IPH_TWqwCRyZVuHOS-

    The Bible is a detailed and historically accurate book.

    LOL.

    • Replies: @Agent76
    I dare you to read it. Scared you might learn something? How has that been working out? LOL back at you. How old are you child? I have great grand children that use lol.
  • @TimothyPMadden
    Hi: Oh yes - absolutely!

    The mortgages registered at the Land Title Registries are total fiction. It is all mind-bogglingly criminal but the bank solicitors believe that they are compensating through nominal "disclaimers" written into the financial securities. Here is brief excerpt:

    "As it was in 1880, the driving force and modus operandi of the system remained [in 1990], as it remains still, the all-or-nothing principle of contract law.

    Every time a bank lawyer goes before a civil / commercial Court they are saying in essence, in defence of any given illegality presented or claimed by the nominal debtor as a defence: “Look your honour, is this particular practice legal?”

    “If you tell me No, then the contract / security is wholly void and essentially all financial institutions everywhere will become instantly insolvent and collapse, and the legal profession as a body, including and especially you and me, will be held liable for the legal, financial and criminal law consequences.”

    “And if you tell me Yes, then we will take it as policy and compound our frauds / felonies with yet another new and escalated round of leveraged racketeering activities until we ultimately own and / or control virtually everything on Earth.”

    The entrenched-money-power has in fact both systemically and systematically employed that rule / principle to loot the equity of the masses for at least the past 300 years.

    Meanwhile, however, the owners and management of the private financial institutions and their solicitors nominally compensated for, and advanced the process of normalizing, their ever increasingly brazen criminal / racketeering activity (and general illegality - both civil (regulatory) and criminal) by adding and / or expanding general / blanket illegality disclaimers (which are themselves illegal and unlawful) to their financial contracts / securities while also adding more specific disclaimers corresponding to specific criminal law violations, such as in respect of the aforementioned s. 347 of the Criminal Code (criminal interest rate or criminal rate of conversion) - also a designated enterprise-crime or racketeering offence, and automatic (strict liability) money-laundering offence under ss. 462.31(1) and under the international treaties:

    [The net loan was $2 million at 9% but the security had been falsified by omitting to disclose a $100,000 kick-back to the purported lender, so as to claim $2.1 million at 7.75%. In law it is called a false-document and constructive forgery.]

    NOTWITHSTANDING the provisions of any Statute [law] relating to the rate of interest payable by debtors [e.g., s. 347 of the Criminal Code, s. 6 of the Interest Act, etc.], this contract [and security] shall remain in full force and effect whatever the rate of interest received or demanded by [the bank / nominal creditor].
     

    4.1 If the Interest Rate [Capitalized and referenced fixed rate of 7.75% per annum] stipulated herein would, except for this clause, be a criminal rate or void for uncertainty or unenforceable for any other reason, then the interest rate chargeable on the credit advanced or secured by this mortgage will be ONE (1.00%) percent per annum less than the rate which would be a criminal interest rate calculated in accordance with generally accepted actuarial practices and principles [i.e., 60% - 1% = 59% per annum].
     
    [The clause says in essence that the bank has complied with the federal securities law by declaring the real / net advance, and that the rate of interest defined by the required payments is 7.75%. Provided, however, that should it be discovered or raised as an issue that either or both declarations are false [which they are in fact], then the debtor agrees to amend the agreement to 59% per annum on the amount secured regardless of the amount actually advanced!!!.]

    Now, an ordinary sane man or woman may well ask: “But that’s crazy isn’t it?”

    And the answer is: “Yes. Yes it is.”

    A typical financial security in Canada (and ever increasingly the rest of the world) today is constructively and / or prima facie (on its face) offensive to domestic and international laws / treaties against one or more (and normally most) of falsification of an account, fraud, GAAP / IFRS-fraud, breach of trust, breach of fiduciary duty, embezzlement, constructive and actual forgery / making-false-documents, uttering false / forged documents, omitting material particulars from valuable securities, receiving / converting payments or partial payments of interest at a criminal rate, mail fraud, laundering proceeds of crime, and racketeering / wagering.

    And all nominally justified by disclaimers to the effect that the parties know and understand that the agreements and securities are illegal and criminal, but if such should be discovered or raised as an issue, then either (1) they simply don’t care, and / or (2) they were just kidding.

    But members of the broadly-defined financial law community are incapable of seeing it, by reason of cogno-linguistically-induced diminished capacity. You can take the most obviously and transparently fraudulent and harmful practice on Earth, and as long as those who traffic-in and profit from it agree to label it as “Not-Stealing”, they become functionally incapable of perceiving its wrongful and harmful nature and substance.

    But doesn’t that make them profoundly dangerous?

    Yes. Yes it does.

    ECT and strong anti-psychotic drugs may fix it.

  • @jilles dykstra
    Spinoza already explained that old hebrew could not be understood any more.
    The bible is not a translation, it is an interpretation.
    Hebrew does not have the letters a, e, o, u, o, i
    It does not have capitals, f and F.
    It does not have dots ...., it does not have comma's ,,,,, there are, as in Roman, no different signs for letters and figures, 7 in hebrew is VII.
    There is no objective way in Hebrew to see where a setence ends, thus also not where one begins, because also distances between letters, or figures, do not exist.
    A quite interesting Parisian atheistic rabbi gave as an example that moving the end of a presumed sentence three symbols forward turns the significance of the sentence 180° degrees around.
    The famous statement by Jesus something like 'throw your crutches away and walk' can legitimaly be translated, interpreted 'throw your literature away and walk'.
    The Torah was never meant to be translated, was never meant to be read by others than rabbi's.
    It was and is just some help for rabbis to prepare a synagogue speech.
    If you're interested google Francine Kaufmann, author of 'Pour Relire "Le Dernier des Justes"', 1987 Paris;
    She lectured in Paris, in French, about Torah interpretations, with the mentioned rabbi she gives quite a few amusing examples of differing interpretations.
    About evolution, wrong word, there is change of species.
    The problem is that now nobody understands how species change
    As to Jesus, any proof he ever existed ?
    Same question for King David, Mozes, whatever.

    If you are a reader you should be intrested in the number one selling book of all times. It has murder, sex, cheating, and scandal, and so much more. I hope you give it a go if knowledge is your thing as is it is mine. By the way both of parents are atheist to the tenth degree. I had a near death experience and seeked him out and found my faith in answered prayers. Be blessed!

  • @renfro

    why Julian Assange Wikileaks apparently did not include transmissions of Israeli & US/KSA officials’ exchanges during periodic Gazan “mowing of lawn”? Please refer to
     
    I wondered about that too.....perhaps he laid off it because he was already going to be in a dangerous position without increasing it by having Mossad teams sent to assassinate him.

    Regarding absence of Wikileaks exchanges involving Israeli studs, renfro intelligently surmised: “I wondered about that too…..perhaps he (Julian Assange) laid off it because he was already going to be in a dangerous position without increasing it by having Mossad teams sent to assassinate him.”

    Hey renfro!

    Did not consider such an (original) intimidating scenario for Assange. Thank you!

    Nonetheless, after sloppy 9/11 went down minus a real investigation, and subsequently, I suggest there was no space whatsoever between Mossad & CIA, and I don’t think even Pamela Anderson could come between them!

  • @TimothyPMadden
    It is actually a simple concept - the solicitors simply do not grasp the difference between commercial law jurisdiction and criminal law jurisdiction. "Deny Everything" has become engrained in their DNA.

    They directly violate multiple provisions of the criminal law, and of the international treaties to which they are enjoined, and then provide multiple disclaimers that expressly provide that if the criminal law offences should be discovered, then they simply don't care.

    What part of "NOTWITHSTANDING any statute [law] ...this contract [and security] shall remain in full force and effect" do you find to be not understandable?

    Look at it this way - If the solicitors who provided for it and drafted the securities were already in a psychiatric institution, then they would not be getting out anytime soon.

    Trying to fool me ?

    • Replies: @TimothyPMadden
    No I get no pleasure from fooling anyone. I try to educate people to see things that have been carefully mis-labeled to make them seem to be something that they are not, and positively not the things that they are.

    The current generation of these people have had hundreds of years behind them, and all the money in the world, to work at their craft, and they are very very good at it. No offence intended to you, or to anyone who may experience cognitive dissonance when exposed to objective facts that seem to wholly contradict what they had previously thought to be an unshakable reality.

    To borrow the words of Mr. Royce (I think) to the initial overwhelming negative response to the then new 1907 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost - If you liked it right away, then it would already be dated.
  • @bournite
    Does this author actually believe his collection of nearly random assertions will shake anyone's notion of "truth"? Nothing is demonstrated by any of his content. If someone testifies in a court of law that you committed a crime, when the fact is someone else did it, the conception of "truth" will likely be very dear to you. This is probably the worst article I've yet seen on Unz. It's a lame screed about anti-Trump propaganda.

    Lasch demonstrated that already in the Nixon era truth no longer mattered in the USA
    Christopher Lasch, ‘The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations’, 1979, 1980, London
    Whyte showed that even USA college graduates understood so little of money that they were unable to oversee their own finances
    William H. Whyte, ‘The organisation man’, New York 1956, Penguin 1961
    But there seems to be improvement with regard to money
    Juliet B. Schor, ‘The Overspent American, Upscaling, Downshifting, and the New Consumer’, 1998 New York
    That an article appears here over the concept truth, also hopeful.
    The creationists here, a surprise for someone living in a country where Muslims are the largest religious group.
    For those really interested in how the concept truth evolved
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Truth, A History and a Guide for the Perplexed’, New York 1997

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Thank you for drawing Felipe F-as book to my attention.

    A thought which your reference to college students and their finances reminded me of. I suggest that the widespread innumeracy afflicting nearly all nations, like the relatively trivial fact that our memory for people's names tends to be poor and to decline early, is a function of evolution by natural selection working on people living in primitive hunter gatherer circumstances. I have read that there are tribes whose language only has one, two and many for dealing with the numerous. And how often would it have been necessary or even useful to use numbers greater than ten at most? Maybe "how big is their raiding party?" but "maybe bigger than our fighting group but we can surprise them" would have been the answer. As for calculation, there is reason to believe that astronomy and trigonometry were always for specialists.

  • @jilles dykstra
    " If I agree to loan you $500,000 provided that you give me a mortgage claiming that I have loaned you $1 million, plus interest on $1 million, then what is the principal amount of the loan? "
    A good question is half the answer.
    This question is so muddle headed I cannot answer it.
    In order to answer I'd have to specify all possible interpretations of your question, and answer anyone of them.
    Waste of time, and no purpose

    It is actually a simple concept – the solicitors simply do not grasp the difference between commercial law jurisdiction and criminal law jurisdiction. “Deny Everything” has become engrained in their DNA.

    They directly violate multiple provisions of the criminal law, and of the international treaties to which they are enjoined, and then provide multiple disclaimers that expressly provide that if the criminal law offences should be discovered, then they simply don’t care.

    What part of “NOTWITHSTANDING any statute [law] …this contract [and security] shall remain in full force and effect” do you find to be not understandable?

    Look at it this way – If the solicitors who provided for it and drafted the securities were already in a psychiatric institution, then they would not be getting out anytime soon.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Trying to fool me ?
  • @FB
    Thanks wayfarer...enjoyed the video...

    Btw...give nice hug to Lilly for me [I hope I am remembering her name correctly]...

    Lily is doing just fine, thanks for asking, FB.

    A wily orphan kitten showed up unexpectedly at my trailer several weeks back. Scared, seeking shelter, and no doubt hoping to find a place to call home.

    This one’s real smart and friendly as well, with lots of personality. She’s camouflaged like a leopard shark, so I call her “Sharky.”

    She’s a keeper!

    Hope all of the cats in your world, are loving life too.

    source: https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/leopard-shark

    • Replies: @FB
    Oh man...that is such nice news W...I hope you can provide this little gal with the home that she is looking for...that's the thing with cats, they choose you...kind of like women...LOL...[and there's not much you can really do about it after the fact]

    PS...I've included a link above to a brand new blog I've started...you may enjoy my first entry...!
  • @HallParvey
    You do realize that God invented Evolution.

    BINGO! You know I just love explaining to atheists that their evolution construct is as bogus as their “there is no God” construct. https://omegabooksnet.com/downloadFREEPDF

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    And how do those atheists show their gratitude for your taking the trouble to impart your superior wisdom? Do they cover their mouths and pretend to smile when yawning?
  • The truth is like the dinosaurs – magnificent, simple, used to rule the earth and now –extinct. Lies are still evolving, with vibrant DNA, superior lies winning over inferior ones in the evolutionary race, but still just midgets compared to the dinosaurs.

    • Replies: @Anon
    When did truth rule the planet? Before mankind appeared? Before it developed language and/or reason?
  • So, if there is no truth since as we all know only the elites get to construct the truth, right, then how can it be that God does not exist (the author of this post is an atheist, no?) is the truth when as we also all know the elite who construct the truth hate God and Christ HAVE BRAINWASHED EVOLUTIONISTS AND RATIONALISTS FOR CENTURIES THAT THERE IS NO GOD???

    As with the evolutionist “rocks date the fossils and the fossils date the rocks” crapola, this “God is not truth and tells no truth” crap is just more circular reasoning. Honey, if evil exists, then so does good. If Satan exists, then so does God. Period. End of Story.

  • How hopelessly ironic that Julian Assange, an Australian national, may spend years in prison (not counting those already spent holed up in the Ecuadoran Embassy) for committing no crime, while Bradley Manning, an active duty Army private, committed espionage against the US when he leaked top secret documents to Assange, who legally published them. Bradley was sentenced to many years in prison, but had his/her sentence commuted by Obama as he was leaving office. Of course, it sure didn’t hurt Bradley’s cause when he/she decided she was a transsexual after being sentenced, and then became known as Chelsea.

  • Does this author actually believe his collection of nearly random assertions will shake anyone’s notion of “truth”? Nothing is demonstrated by any of his content. If someone testifies in a court of law that you committed a crime, when the fact is someone else did it, the conception of “truth” will likely be very dear to you. This is probably the worst article I’ve yet seen on Unz. It’s a lame screed about anti-Trump propaganda.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Lasch demonstrated that already in the Nixon era truth no longer mattered in the USA
    Christopher Lasch, 'The Culture of Narcissism, American Life in an Age of Diminishing Expectations', 1979, 1980, London
    Whyte showed that even USA college graduates understood so little of money that they were unable to oversee their own finances
    William H. Whyte, ‘The organisation man’, New York 1956, Penguin 1961
    But there seems to be improvement with regard to money
    Juliet B. Schor, 'The Overspent American, Upscaling, Downshifting, and the New Consumer', 1998 New York
    That an article appears here over the concept truth, also hopeful.
    The creationists here, a surprise for someone living in a country where Muslims are the largest religious group.
    For those really interested in how the concept truth evolved
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Truth, A History and a Guide for the Perplexed’, New York 1997
  • @WorkingClass
    Your truth, my truth and the official truth may be bullshit. But the truth is real or there could be no lies.

    As Lionel Nation is fond of repeating in many of his daily YouTube videos: Tolstoy said that history would be a wonderful thing if only it were true.

  • @ChuckOrloski
    With logic, C.J. Hopkins appears to extol the remarkable Wikileaks expose, and canonize Assange as Saint Lawn Mow Julian.

    Prior to Assange's Fox News Network interviews on the Sean Hannity Show, I too considered the former as a hero on path to secular martyrdom.
    In addition, I became more skeptical when learning about Pamela Anderson's, the wife/significant other of a rich Jew, eh-hem, visitations with the ZUS (almost) "Most Wanted," Julian Assange.

    A cordial question for C.J. Hopkins:

    Is it blasphemous against the relativity of "truth" to ask a question as to why Julian Assange Wikileaks apparently did not include transmissions of Israeli & US/KSA officials' exchanges during periodic Gazan "mowing of lawn"? Please refer to "Independent" article below?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israel-gaza-conflict-israels-mowing-of-gazas-lawn-is-an-unjust-war-9659364.html

    With or without a response comment, thanks Mr. Hopkins, yours TRULY..., Chuck Orloski.

    why Julian Assange Wikileaks apparently did not include transmissions of Israeli & US/KSA officials’ exchanges during periodic Gazan “mowing of lawn”? Please refer to

    I wondered about that too…..perhaps he laid off it because he was already going to be in a dangerous position without increasing it by having Mossad teams sent to assassinate him.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Regarding absence of Wikileaks exchanges involving Israeli studs, renfro intelligently surmised: "I wondered about that too…..perhaps he (Julian Assange) laid off it because he was already going to be in a dangerous position without increasing it by having Mossad teams sent to assassinate him."

    Hey renfro!

    Did not consider such an (original) intimidating scenario for Assange. Thank you!

    Nonetheless, after sloppy 9/11 went down minus a real investigation, and subsequently, I suggest there was no space whatsoever between Mossad & CIA, and I don't think even Pamela Anderson could come between them!
  • @MarkU
    Any article which starts off with a pseudo-philosophical argument that there is no such thing as truth, that all is somehow relative, does not deserve to be read.

    Why should I bother to read something, which according to the authors own arguments, cannot possibly be regarded as true.

    I am an individual who believes that true statements can be made, that indeed some things are true simply by definition ( eg water is a compound composed of hydrogen and oxygen molecules) Reality is something that exists regardless of belief.

    My advice to the author is to leave out the pseudo-intellectual garbage next time, because while that stuff might fly with people steeped entirely in humanist claptrap, no-one with a sensible scientific education is ever going to take him seriously.

    Any article which starts off with a pseudo-philosophical argument that there is no such thing as truth, that all is somehow relative, does not deserve to be read

    It is comical that the author declares there is no truth while telling us its ‘true’ that there is no truth…lol

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  • @EliteCommInc.
    The beauty of truth is that it remains true regardless of the anger, angst, fear, and retribution the powerful may engage.

    I am unwilling to merely cave to extortion, bribery, assaults (even by police), betrayal, lies, railings about my patriotism, lurid misrepresentations *lies) about my private life, hints about drug use . . . etc. Merely to prove my loyalty or anything else for that matter, on the matter of truth.

    There is a certain wholesomeness and freedom in standing on actual truth. I can only but be disappointed that one's hold to truth, should be to cause for others to engage in destroying others lives.

    I guess that is why Kant was never a rich man and Christ was murdered.

    I can only but be disappointed that one’s hold to truth, should be to cause for others to engage in destroying others lives.

    Right.

  • @jilles dykstra
    Spinoza already explained that old hebrew could not be understood any more.
    The bible is not a translation, it is an interpretation.
    Hebrew does not have the letters a, e, o, u, o, i
    It does not have capitals, f and F.
    It does not have dots ...., it does not have comma's ,,,,, there are, as in Roman, no different signs for letters and figures, 7 in hebrew is VII.
    There is no objective way in Hebrew to see where a setence ends, thus also not where one begins, because also distances between letters, or figures, do not exist.
    A quite interesting Parisian atheistic rabbi gave as an example that moving the end of a presumed sentence three symbols forward turns the significance of the sentence 180° degrees around.
    The famous statement by Jesus something like 'throw your crutches away and walk' can legitimaly be translated, interpreted 'throw your literature away and walk'.
    The Torah was never meant to be translated, was never meant to be read by others than rabbi's.
    It was and is just some help for rabbis to prepare a synagogue speech.
    If you're interested google Francine Kaufmann, author of 'Pour Relire "Le Dernier des Justes"', 1987 Paris;
    She lectured in Paris, in French, about Torah interpretations, with the mentioned rabbi she gives quite a few amusing examples of differing interpretations.
    About evolution, wrong word, there is change of species.
    The problem is that now nobody understands how species change
    As to Jesus, any proof he ever existed ?
    Same question for King David, Mozes, whatever.

    JillesDykstra inquired: “As to Jesus, any proof he ever existed?”

    Hm

    Uh, is there any proof George Orwell ‘s Big Brother existed?

    Uh, did either Orwell or Big Brother “manufacture” Double think?

    Thanks, J.D. Let me know what you think?

  • @TimothyPMadden
    Hi: Oh yes - absolutely!

    The mortgages registered at the Land Title Registries are total fiction. It is all mind-bogglingly criminal but the bank solicitors believe that they are compensating through nominal "disclaimers" written into the financial securities. Here is brief excerpt:

    "As it was in 1880, the driving force and modus operandi of the system remained [in 1990], as it remains still, the all-or-nothing principle of contract law.

    Every time a bank lawyer goes before a civil / commercial Court they are saying in essence, in defence of any given illegality presented or claimed by the nominal debtor as a defence: “Look your honour, is this particular practice legal?”

    “If you tell me No, then the contract / security is wholly void and essentially all financial institutions everywhere will become instantly insolvent and collapse, and the legal profession as a body, including and especially you and me, will be held liable for the legal, financial and criminal law consequences.”

    “And if you tell me Yes, then we will take it as policy and compound our frauds / felonies with yet another new and escalated round of leveraged racketeering activities until we ultimately own and / or control virtually everything on Earth.”

    The entrenched-money-power has in fact both systemically and systematically employed that rule / principle to loot the equity of the masses for at least the past 300 years.

    Meanwhile, however, the owners and management of the private financial institutions and their solicitors nominally compensated for, and advanced the process of normalizing, their ever increasingly brazen criminal / racketeering activity (and general illegality - both civil (regulatory) and criminal) by adding and / or expanding general / blanket illegality disclaimers (which are themselves illegal and unlawful) to their financial contracts / securities while also adding more specific disclaimers corresponding to specific criminal law violations, such as in respect of the aforementioned s. 347 of the Criminal Code (criminal interest rate or criminal rate of conversion) - also a designated enterprise-crime or racketeering offence, and automatic (strict liability) money-laundering offence under ss. 462.31(1) and under the international treaties:

    [The net loan was $2 million at 9% but the security had been falsified by omitting to disclose a $100,000 kick-back to the purported lender, so as to claim $2.1 million at 7.75%. In law it is called a false-document and constructive forgery.]

    NOTWITHSTANDING the provisions of any Statute [law] relating to the rate of interest payable by debtors [e.g., s. 347 of the Criminal Code, s. 6 of the Interest Act, etc.], this contract [and security] shall remain in full force and effect whatever the rate of interest received or demanded by [the bank / nominal creditor].
     

    4.1 If the Interest Rate [Capitalized and referenced fixed rate of 7.75% per annum] stipulated herein would, except for this clause, be a criminal rate or void for uncertainty or unenforceable for any other reason, then the interest rate chargeable on the credit advanced or secured by this mortgage will be ONE (1.00%) percent per annum less than the rate which would be a criminal interest rate calculated in accordance with generally accepted actuarial practices and principles [i.e., 60% - 1% = 59% per annum].
     
    [The clause says in essence that the bank has complied with the federal securities law by declaring the real / net advance, and that the rate of interest defined by the required payments is 7.75%. Provided, however, that should it be discovered or raised as an issue that either or both declarations are false [which they are in fact], then the debtor agrees to amend the agreement to 59% per annum on the amount secured regardless of the amount actually advanced!!!.]

    Now, an ordinary sane man or woman may well ask: “But that’s crazy isn’t it?”

    And the answer is: “Yes. Yes it is.”

    A typical financial security in Canada (and ever increasingly the rest of the world) today is constructively and / or prima facie (on its face) offensive to domestic and international laws / treaties against one or more (and normally most) of falsification of an account, fraud, GAAP / IFRS-fraud, breach of trust, breach of fiduciary duty, embezzlement, constructive and actual forgery / making-false-documents, uttering false / forged documents, omitting material particulars from valuable securities, receiving / converting payments or partial payments of interest at a criminal rate, mail fraud, laundering proceeds of crime, and racketeering / wagering.

    And all nominally justified by disclaimers to the effect that the parties know and understand that the agreements and securities are illegal and criminal, but if such should be discovered or raised as an issue, then either (1) they simply don’t care, and / or (2) they were just kidding.

    But members of the broadly-defined financial law community are incapable of seeing it, by reason of cogno-linguistically-induced diminished capacity. You can take the most obviously and transparently fraudulent and harmful practice on Earth, and as long as those who traffic-in and profit from it agree to label it as “Not-Stealing”, they become functionally incapable of perceiving its wrongful and harmful nature and substance.

    But doesn’t that make them profoundly dangerous?

    Yes. Yes it does.

    What is dangerous is comments like this.
    Those that already have trouble understanding money issues may try to understand you comment, what is impossible, because it cannot be understood.
    It amazed me for a very long time how relatively simple abstract concepts as truth, and subjective judgments, as well as money, can cause such confusion.

  • @TimothyPMadden
    Thank you for that, but I think that you have misinterpreted my meaning. I was trying to invoke the uncertainty principle as applied to language.

    If I agree to loan you $500,000 provided that you give me a mortgage claiming that I have loaned you $1 million, plus interest on $1 million, then what is the principal amount of the loan?

    Is it a question of objective fact ($500,000)?

    Or is it a question of agreement of parties ($1 million)?

    At its normal highest level of precision, the nominal financial system operates in fact of the "basis point" or 1/100th of 1%.

    My essential point is that everything else is virtually meaningless if the things being measured are subject to change by the subjective interpretation of the observer / decider.

    Otherwise, I simply don't have the physics background to comment with any degree of certainty on the mathematics of quantum mechanics.

    ” If I agree to loan you $500,000 provided that you give me a mortgage claiming that I have loaned you $1 million, plus interest on $1 million, then what is the principal amount of the loan? ”
    A good question is half the answer.
    This question is so muddle headed I cannot answer it.
    In order to answer I’d have to specify all possible interpretations of your question, and answer anyone of them.
    Waste of time, and no purpose

    • Replies: @TimothyPMadden
    It is actually a simple concept - the solicitors simply do not grasp the difference between commercial law jurisdiction and criminal law jurisdiction. "Deny Everything" has become engrained in their DNA.

    They directly violate multiple provisions of the criminal law, and of the international treaties to which they are enjoined, and then provide multiple disclaimers that expressly provide that if the criminal law offences should be discovered, then they simply don't care.

    What part of "NOTWITHSTANDING any statute [law] ...this contract [and security] shall remain in full force and effect" do you find to be not understandable?

    Look at it this way - If the solicitors who provided for it and drafted the securities were already in a psychiatric institution, then they would not be getting out anytime soon.
  • @denk
    George Carlin
    *What the US produces in abundance, is bullshit and bombs. It can't produce a toaster worth shit, it can't furnish 80 million of its citizens with adequate health care, it can't keep all of its citizens productively employed, but it sure can bomb the shit out of other countries and it sure can pump out bullshit to justify it. *

    http://www.swans.com/library/art7/gowans14.html


    heheheh

    wow,
    I like that.

  • @Agent76
    Can you prove differently? The Bible is a detailed and historically accurate book. I challenge you to at least read the New Testament since Jesus died and said it is finished with his last breath and that means the old law was finished. AKA Old Testament.

    This is a intellectual approach if this is what you are seeking.

    Aug 6, 2013 Evolution Vs. God Movie

    Hear expert testimony from leading evolutionary scientists from some of the world's top universities:

    • Peter Nonacs, Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, UCLA
    • Craig Stanford, Professor, Biological Sciences and Anthropology, USC
    • PZ Myers, Associate Professor, Biology, University of Minnesota Morris
    • Gail E. Kennedy, Associate Professor, Anthropology, UCLA

    https://youtu.be/U0u3-2CGOMQ?list=PLIMAX6WHtnhB-42IPH_TWqwCRyZVuHOS-

    Spinoza already explained that old hebrew could not be understood any more.
    The bible is not a translation, it is an interpretation.
    Hebrew does not have the letters a, e, o, u, o, i
    It does not have capitals, f and F.
    It does not have dots …., it does not have comma’s ,,,,, there are, as in Roman, no different signs for letters and figures, 7 in hebrew is VII.
    There is no objective way in Hebrew to see where a setence ends, thus also not where one begins, because also distances between letters, or figures, do not exist.
    A quite interesting Parisian atheistic rabbi gave as an example that moving the end of a presumed sentence three symbols forward turns the significance of the sentence 180° degrees around.
    The famous statement by Jesus something like ‘throw your crutches away and walk’ can legitimaly be translated, interpreted ‘throw your literature away and walk’.
    The Torah was never meant to be translated, was never meant to be read by others than rabbi’s.
    It was and is just some help for rabbis to prepare a synagogue speech.
    If you’re interested google Francine Kaufmann, author of ‘Pour Relire “Le Dernier des Justes”‘, 1987 Paris;
    She lectured in Paris, in French, about Torah interpretations, with the mentioned rabbi she gives quite a few amusing examples of differing interpretations.
    About evolution, wrong word, there is change of species.
    The problem is that now nobody understands how species change
    As to Jesus, any proof he ever existed ?
    Same question for King David, Mozes, whatever.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    JillesDykstra inquired: "As to Jesus, any proof he ever existed?"

    Hm

    Uh, is there any proof George Orwell 's Big Brother existed?

    Uh, did either Orwell or Big Brother "manufacture" Double think?

    Thanks, J.D. Let me know what you think?
    , @Agent76
    If you are a reader you should be intrested in the number one selling book of all times. It has murder, sex, cheating, and scandal, and so much more. I hope you give it a go if knowledge is your thing as is it is mine. By the way both of parents are atheist to the tenth degree. I had a near death experience and seeked him out and found my faith in answered prayers. Be blessed!
  • @HdC
    I disagree.

    Scientific Truth is what can be reproduced by independent researchers.

    You mean like Newtonian physics for 200 years?

  • @wayfarer
    Thanks for sharing your science and engineering expertise, FB. It's always quite interesting to hear your point-of-view.

    Zeno's Paradox
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Z9UnWOJNY

    Thanks wayfarer…enjoyed the video…

    Btw…give nice hug to Lilly for me [I hope I am remembering her name correctly]…

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    Lily is doing just fine, thanks for asking, FB.

    A wily orphan kitten showed up unexpectedly at my trailer several weeks back. Scared, seeking shelter, and no doubt hoping to find a place to call home.

    This one's real smart and friendly as well, with lots of personality. She's camouflaged like a leopard shark, so I call her "Sharky."

    She's a keeper!

    Hope all of the cats in your world, are loving life too.

    source: https://animals.sandiegozoo.org/animals/leopard-shark

  • The right wing Ecuadorean government of President Moreno continues to churn out its production line of fake documents regarding Julian Assange, and channel them straight to MI6 mouthpiece Luke Harding of the Guardian. Amazingly, more Ecuadorean Government documents have just been discovered for the Guardian, this time spy agency reports detailing visits of Paul Manafort...
  • @EliteCommInc.
    There's no confusion. Though I made it quite clear. My comments are not in reference to Mr. Trump the real estate developer/investor. You persist on pressing the matter. Included in your comment is the insinuation that i don't comprehend debt financing. You are mistaken. It is my understanding that Mr. Trump leveraged his debt against what the lenders might lose if he was unsuccessful. They essentially agreed. Using the existing legal financial mechanisms available Mr. Trump turned his losses into gains. He's a business entrepreneur. I further understand that sometime he was held liable for some debts and sometimes not. He is not the first to take advantage of the said mechanisms. He won't be the last. What would concern is if he had been convicted of acts as the result of this so called "shysterism". And it is my understanding that despite not having won every contend, he has yet to be convicted of financial misdeeds. And while, I agree that one can engage in unsavory conduct without being convicted. Mr. Trump does not appear to be any worse than his contemporaries.


    Now if you want to make a case concerning his presidency, make it.


    Laughing. I am not sure of the uniqueness of children mismanaging their parents inheritance. But I think you are simplifying the relationship between Mr trump Sr. and his son. As the father was alive and well during his sons ventures and invested in them as well as functioned as a business partner. Mr Trump Jr. ventured with far greater sums and risks than his father -- it appears to have paid off.

    To use ‘leverage’ as a verb is to participitate in one among many Jew.S.A. crimes against your language.

  • If you’re one of the millions of human beings who, despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary, still believe there is such a thing as “the truth,” you might not want to read this essay. Seriously, it can be extremely upsetting when you discover that there is no “truth” … or rather, that what...
  • George Carlin
    *What the US produces in abundance, is bullshit and bombs. It can’t produce a toaster worth shit, it can’t furnish 80 million of its citizens with adequate health care, it can’t keep all of its citizens productively employed, but it sure can bomb the shit out of other countries and it sure can pump out bullshit to justify it. *

    http://www.swans.com/library/art7/gowans14.html

    heheheh

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @denk
    wow,
    I like that.
  • Anon[853] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The point being that having the mental make-up of your average mainstream media journalist (or NGO representative,...) would mean relatively comfortable survival for God knows how many centuries or millennia, while having a truth-seeking, hypnosis-resistant, independent mindset would mean being cast out and dying.

    So you see this extraordinary (only from our standpoint) ability of the normal mind to be truth-indifferent and truth-unaware, and employ criteria and parameters changing by the issue and the moment, adapting real-time to immediate or long-term convenience.
    Same as regards the stunning speed and lack of inner psychological friction in how all the underlings' minds instantly adapt to changes in orders and "truths" poured upon them from high on. They are like cables in an audio system: just carrying what signals the sources give them — considered of as a high quality as little the signal changes ("noise") they cause.
    Noise-producing transmitting cables are "trolls" wbo "disturb the community", "instil uncertainty", "divide",...

    You, Hopkins, seem to have great distaste for the élite and their journalistic troops. However, they are nothing but the most skilled at doing what the general population does everyday, both in the exercise of their duties and jobs and in their relations and relationships.

    A "love story" doesn't substantially differ from a front page of The Guardian or the WaPo. Nor does running a successful business.
    Self-deception and its inner voice reassuring all actors that whatever they are doing they are doing for the good of the most / due to lack of choice is the lubricant that keeps the gear workiing fine.
    Anyone with a mind unfit to such system is destined to loneliness and anxiety — if not angst.

    At the same time, it is important to realize that “the truth” is not going to “rouse the masses from their slumber” and inspire them to throw off their chains. People are not going to suddenly “wake up,” “see the truth” and start “the revolution.” People already know the truth … the official truth, which is the only truth there is. Those who are conforming to it are doing so, not because they are deceived, but because it is safer and more rewarding to do so.

    .

    You call “chains” what to them are support and grounds needed to live a sustainable life of the mind.
    You are a very good writer, satirist, and political opinionist, and it shows nearly every time in what you write (including your plays).
    You are a good philosopher, but it doesn’t show in your blog writings.
    You want to preserve their accessibility I gather, and at least have some of the readers read them till the end.

    But seriously, if there is no truth (we leave Truth aside, here), how can someone proclaim that there is no truth? How can this statement be true?

    Second, I have never seen you wishing for the extinction of the species. The species is a social species. There is a nature-determined leaders/normals ratio, and there is the fear & hatred both the leaders and normals have to feel regarding the ones possessed of integrity and a mind of their own.
    If you don’t like this, you should either hope for the species’ extinction, or a upset in the élite composition. But just as the normals don’t change much generation by generation, what tells you the new élite would be the élite you wish we had?
    The nature of the normals and élite are interlocked, either can change if the other doesn’t.

    On top of all that, you tend to deny that this system mirrors the unaware desires of the most — and so it’s real democracy in its being anti-democracy.

    Yes the only truth is the truth proclaimed by power, but why? Because the Functional, or Normal, are so against searching for their own truth, and so enraptured by admiration of the powerful, that they want nothing but to conform, and show their conformism.
    It’s not like they are more sincere to themselves than they want the élite to be to them. There’s consistency, and efficiency.

  • By way of clarification to my last post – the bank had violated the criminal interest rate law by converting the $100,000 “loan fee” in advance and contrary to GAAP and IFRS (International Financial Reporting Standards). So its solicitors added a disclaimer that provides if the bankers get caught, then the borrower agrees to increase the interest rate almost seven-fold to 59%! That’s. Just. Nuts.

  • @EliteCommInc.
    Here's an interesting story (at least to me). Some time this week or last a 1st Grade teacher was terminated because she told her class that Santa was not real.

    While I have no idea why a 1st Grade Teacher would so engage, it is very clear that coercion in establishing truth is no small matter as demonstrated by this "small matter".

    Though the proper response would have been for Santa visit the class (an emergency visit) and extract a most sincere apology and voluminous "mea culpas". But then again maybe she is a sadistic woman who simply wanted to torment vulnerable young minds.

    But the system whether its the postal service or elementary schools and their parents say Santa is real and therefore truth be told . . .

    Santa Claus is real.

    Side note: I hope I got that story correct.

    She would have gotten away with saying Jesus is not real but not Santa Claus. Santa Claus sells toys and other stuff.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    Laughing ------

    I think Jesus outsells Santa Claus as Santa remains real for "western societies" but Jesus is real everywhere.

    Having to rely on Rudolph has its drawbacks.
  • @HdC
    I disagree.

    Scientific Truth is what can be reproduced by independent researchers.

    And it will be reproduced by “independent researchers” with the same blind spots and biases
    Those who fail to reproduce it have merely introduced an outside variable: they always exist.

  • As Orwell said in 1984 the truth is covered up by the state and history is rewritten daily by the powers in control and in our case , the Zionist kabal that controls every facet of America, the MSM , the MIC , the currency ie the Zionist owned FED and IRS, everything is ran by the Zionists, and as the truth is the enemy of the state, rest assured we will never be told the truth in the Zionist controlled plantation know as Oceania aka America.

  • @utu

    If I agree to loan you $500,000 provided that you give me a mortgage claiming that I have loaned you $1 million, plus interest on $1 million, then what is the principal amount of the loan?
     
    Is this how contracts are written?

    Hi: Oh yes – absolutely!

    The mortgages registered at the Land Title Registries are total fiction. It is all mind-bogglingly criminal but the bank solicitors believe that they are compensating through nominal “disclaimers” written into the financial securities. Here is brief excerpt:

    “As it was in 1880, the driving force and modus operandi of the system remained [in 1990], as it remains still, the all-or-nothing principle of contract law.

    Every time a bank lawyer goes before a civil / commercial Court they are saying in essence, in defence of any given illegality presented or claimed by the nominal debtor as a defence: “Look your honour, is this particular practice legal?”

    “If you tell me No, then the contract / security is wholly void and essentially all financial institutions everywhere will become instantly insolvent and collapse, and the legal profession as a body, including and especially you and me, will be held liable for the legal, financial and criminal law consequences.”

    “And if you tell me Yes, then we will take it as policy and compound our frauds / felonies with yet another new and escalated round of leveraged racketeering activities until we ultimately own and / or control virtually everything on Earth.”

    The entrenched-money-power has in fact both systemically and systematically employed that rule / principle to loot the equity of the masses for at least the past 300 years.

    Meanwhile, however, the owners and management of the private financial institutions and their solicitors nominally compensated for, and advanced the process of normalizing, their ever increasingly brazen criminal / racketeering activity (and general illegality – both civil (regulatory) and criminal) by adding and / or expanding general / blanket illegality disclaimers (which are themselves illegal and unlawful) to their financial contracts / securities while also adding more specific disclaimers corresponding to specific criminal law violations, such as in respect of the aforementioned s. 347 of the Criminal Code (criminal interest rate or criminal rate of conversion) – also a designated enterprise-crime or racketeering offence, and automatic (strict liability) money-laundering offence under ss. 462.31(1) and under the international treaties:

    [The net loan was $2 million at 9% but the security had been falsified by omitting to disclose a $100,000 kick-back to the purported lender, so as to claim $2.1 million at 7.75%. In law it is called a false-document and constructive forgery.]

    NOTWITHSTANDING the provisions of any Statute [law] relating to the rate of interest payable by debtors [e.g., s. 347 of the Criminal Code, s. 6 of the Interest Act, etc.], this contract [and security] shall remain in full force and effect whatever the rate of interest received or demanded by [the bank / nominal creditor].

    4.1 If the Interest Rate [Capitalized and referenced fixed rate of 7.75% per annum] stipulated herein would, except for this clause, be a criminal rate or void for uncertainty or unenforceable for any other reason, then the interest rate chargeable on the credit advanced or secured by this mortgage will be ONE (1.00%) percent per annum less than the rate which would be a criminal interest rate calculated in accordance with generally accepted actuarial practices and principles [i.e., 60% – 1% = 59% per annum].

    [The clause says in essence that the bank has complied with the federal securities law by declaring the real / net advance, and that the rate of interest defined by the required payments is 7.75%. Provided, however, that should it be discovered or raised as an issue that either or both declarations are false [which they are in fact], then the debtor agrees to amend the agreement to 59% per annum on the amount secured regardless of the amount actually advanced!!!.]

    Now, an ordinary sane man or woman may well ask: “But that’s crazy isn’t it?”

    And the answer is: “Yes. Yes it is.”

    A typical financial security in Canada (and ever increasingly the rest of the world) today is constructively and / or prima facie (on its face) offensive to domestic and international laws / treaties against one or more (and normally most) of falsification of an account, fraud, GAAP / IFRS-fraud, breach of trust, breach of fiduciary duty, embezzlement, constructive and actual forgery / making-false-documents, uttering false / forged documents, omitting material particulars from valuable securities, receiving / converting payments or partial payments of interest at a criminal rate, mail fraud, laundering proceeds of crime, and racketeering / wagering.

    And all nominally justified by disclaimers to the effect that the parties know and understand that the agreements and securities are illegal and criminal, but if such should be discovered or raised as an issue, then either (1) they simply don’t care, and / or (2) they were just kidding.

    But members of the broadly-defined financial law community are incapable of seeing it, by reason of cogno-linguistically-induced diminished capacity. You can take the most obviously and transparently fraudulent and harmful practice on Earth, and as long as those who traffic-in and profit from it agree to label it as “Not-Stealing”, they become functionally incapable of perceiving its wrongful and harmful nature and substance.

    But doesn’t that make them profoundly dangerous?

    Yes. Yes it does.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    What is dangerous is comments like this.
    Those that already have trouble understanding money issues may try to understand you comment, what is impossible, because it cannot be understood.
    It amazed me for a very long time how relatively simple abstract concepts as truth, and subjective judgments, as well as money, can cause such confusion.
    , @utu
    ECT and strong anti-psychotic drugs may fix it.