This is the face of police administration in America today:

https://patch.com/oregon/portland/outlaw-selected-police-chief-portland

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6rdac2/reminder_mohamed_noor_a_somali_muslim_affirmative/

Several videos of U.S. police ninjas, trained up on jew-jitsu and blazing into action like Merkava tanks:

http://www.returnofkings.com/126816/5-reasons-women-should-be-banned-from-working-as-police-officers

That’s right. Homeland Security can dispose of any militias without much of a problem and that’s what they’re equipped to do.

Well……agree, up to a point.

The thing is, we can NOT really discuss that topic in open forum.
Actually, it’s prudent not to discuss that topic with anyone one doesn’t trust with his/her….imprisonment I’d say. If that sounds paranoiac, well, fine with me.

Other reason not to discuss this seriously is not to give “sand niggers” and their ideological offshoots in the West any ideas……we definitely do not want to teach/train our enemies.

Having said all that, it all depends what kind of militias we are talking about.
Current guys playing games.
Or……something else.
That something else can be done, carefully, and can be very effective should their “services” are needed in community.

As for details of that game just a couple of remarks:

What’s more complicated for them is if they find themselves in the middle of 100′s thousands of angry protesting citizens as Ceausescu’s security forces did in Romania in 1989. What do they do? In that case they couldn’t keep a distance from the crowds, with masses of people surrounding them in every direction and heckling them . Are they going to follow orders and start shooting (and probably get killed) or rather get out of there?

Well…I wouldn’t use Ceausescu’s fall example for template for successful dissent in the West.
The tools and mechanisms of controlling the populace in the West are much bigger, stronger and definitely more competent.
Also you touched the main issue here.
“100′s thousands of angry protesters”.
The people who are currently opposing ….The Empire (or other names for the current state of affairs in the West) ….do NOT protest. Or do something…anything.
They vote.
Draw your own conclusions.

And, against those guys and their outfits, no local militias have any chance.

That’s right. Homeland Security can dispose of any militias without much of a problem and that’s what they’re equipped to do.

What’s more complicated for them is if they find themselves in the middle of 100′s thousands of angry protesting citizens as Ceausescu’s security forces did in Romania in 1989. What do they do? In that case they couldn’t keep a distance from the crowds, with masses of people surrounding them in every direction and heckling them . Are they going to follow orders and start shooting (and probably get killed) or rather get out of there?

In fact, they took off their uniforms and went AWOL but there are a lot of variables.

It just happens to be another one of life’s paradoxes that ZUSA is the main asset to those who wish to rule the whole world and at the same time it is the greatest threat to them, so it must be controlled at any cost.

“They” are certainly busy little bees, aren’t “they”?

D.C. probably has more and better than this, feeding into who-knows-what kind of “Fusion Centers”. But the Seth Rich murder remains a mystery…

This pesky little illegitimate mad dog entity nestled on Palestinian soil needs to go for the sake of humanity.

Hey L.K,

Life in ZUSA has.become infinitely strange and dangerous by design.

Doubtless the Andy of Mayberry police model is undesirable today and such circumstance made it eXasier for young.police officers to accept the barbaric method described by Colonel Lang.

XXX-rated ZUSA lifestyle makes Sodom & Gomorrah look Disney, Parental Guidance (P.G.)
Therefore, one can understand the necessity for training cops with a Dirty Harry mindset.

My best wishes to you and Nosey!7

If something like this had happened in any country on “regime change” list we can imagine what the outcome would be.
A country was bombed for more than 2 months once upon a time, because around 20 corpses were found in area controlled by government forces.

The wold leader (and its allies/vassals…) would probably demand answers to questions.

Like:

There is no doubt in my mind that local law enforcement, i.e., the Sheriff’s department and the Texas State police were told to back off and not interfere with the storm troopers of the Federal ATF.

WHO gave the order?
WHO received the order and executed it? The entire chain of command and control.
Media would be asking, like, “how is it possible that THOSE people executed THAT order”?
The public would be outraged.
Most likely demands would be made to bring those to international court and punish them.
Sounds familiar?

No use stating much more, the entire event has been recorded for history, and draw your own conclusions. Mine is that Janet Reno literally got away with murder.

Oh, I don’t think that it would work so easy for those …..undemocracies.
It wouldn’t have stopped at Ms Reno position.
President/Prime Minister with all the Cabinet/whatever, including Chief(s) of Staff would be sitting at the court and waiting for LONG sentences.
Some of them, those not cooperating well enough, would probably develop terminal illnesses and stop bothering the powers that be.

And, the all circus when a feral negro gets shot has been conspicuously missing in this episode.

Even characters pursing, ad nauseam, JFK, 9/11…whatever….just do not bother with this.

Armour vehicle….gas…..burning alive….women and children……
And ..silence….. by all.

I do find that………interesting.

Hey Chuck , tks for your support!

NoseytheDuke has nailed it.

We both know just how powerful the Israel lobby/power configuration is, and just how corrupt the ZUSA’s politicians and are.

As Giraldi has shown, would you like your cops to get “training” from people who do things like the following?
US Col Lang:

In Beit Suhur outside Bethlehem, I have seen IDF troops shoot at Palestinian Christian women hanging out laundry in their gardens. This was done with tank coaxial machine guns from within a bermed up dirt fort a couple of hundred yards away, and evidently just for the fun of it. In Bethlehem a lieutenant told me that he would have had his men shoot me in the street during a demonstration that I happened to get caught in, but that he had not because he thought I might not be a Palestinian and that if I were not the incident would have caused him some trouble. I have seen a lot of things like that.

Those are both excellent questions that I do not have the answer for. It is possible that “the deep state” operatives who have representatives (official or otherwise) in most large city police departments “confiscated” it for the benefit of the “deep state”. “Losing video evidence” is one of the easiest ways to assure “the proper outcome” of a criminal case (protect the guilty while (sometimes) pinning the crime on an innocent who happens to be “at the right (wrong) place at the right time”. It happens all the time. There are many innocent people picked up for crimes who are presently incarcerated…
Regards,

Hi Nosey,

I will try & read Strauss and Howe’s work.

They focus on the JFK assassination and I am about to finish reading Peter Janney’s “Mary’s Mosaic.” There one can learn about CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton’s passion to find & confiscate Mary Pinchot Meyer’s diary.

Mary was killed < 3-weeks after the release of the "Groupthink" Warren Commission Report.

Thanks for the comments tethered to a search for truth.

Beats me. But if you’re asking me to speculate, I would say that — based on the parade of affirmative action Chiefs and Chiefettes they paraded out in front of the cameras, and based on Minnesota’s traditional left-leaning politics — they are desperately fishing for something – anything! – that can be used to exonerate their Third World poster boy from the consequences of his own ineptitude.

Since you’re into police procedurals, here’s a two-part head-scratcher for you:

1) How come Seth Rich’s laptop was confiscated, and which agency currently has custody? How common is it for police to confiscate the laptop of a murder victim?
2) Since D.C. has to be the most heavily-surveilled city in America, with video and audio pickups placed and monitored by various PD’s, federal agencies, and miscellaneous private actors, how come nobody caught Rich’s killing either by mic or on camera?

Revelation of the method:

The issue comes to a head when the individual soldier is faced with the choice of following orders or deciding to not shoot his cousin in the face.

In some places.
Depends on the place and people involved. Culture, history….a lot of variables to consider.

I believe, in USA (and Western democracies) it boils down to military leadership, from platoon to battalion, obeying orders from above.

From platoon leader with platoon sergeant, to battalion CO and his command and control team.
From lieutenant to lieutenant-colonel,with corresponding NCOs. But, make no mistake….officers first and foremost.

That’s the region where the rubber meets the road.

And, my impression is, those guys WILL execute orders…if given…and will do that, professionally, very well.

I do believe that people contemplating some sort of ….dissent….do know that. Most on subconscious level.
And, against those guys and their outfits, no local militias have any chance.

As long as that layer of military leadership remains loyal to the powers that be no real dissent is possible.
And, to weaken that loyalty..I just don’t know what would take.
One has to give the powers that be due respect here….they have designed a very good machine. Very good indeed.

Hi Chuck, I’m aware of Gladio but haven’t read the book. I did read The Forth Turning by Strauss and Howe who state that the Reagan/Thatcher revolution was one of the central pivots of our era or saeculum. The others being the JFK assassination and 9/11 on either side making this the forth turning or season of destruction.
Cheers

Hey PeterAUS,

If I remember correctly, this happened in the Philippines and Iran. The Arab spring worked in some places and not in others depended on all the variables. Definitely possible. The issue comes to a head when the individual soldier is faced with the choice of following orders or deciding to not shoot his cousin in the face.

Peace.

NoseytheDuke,

Thanks for making a comment!

By chance, are you aware of Paul Williams book “Operation Gladio; Unholy Alliance” ?

It was especially interesting for me when the author discussed Gladio fund raising in NYC including the sale of heroin to black jazz musicians.

The Reagan era CIA must have gotten an exemption from having to comply with Nancy’s “Just Say No to Drugs” program.

Thanks for piping in on such hot topic.

Tianamen

Another point here is that Homeland Security doesn’t need a large scale military type organization to deal with the occasional Arab terrorist.

The whole thing is aimed at Americans, specifically Americans that the 0,1% doesn’t like, who are more or less Donald Trump supporters and who are being lined up as “Domestic Terrorists”.

On this reading Homeland Security is a separate Waffen SS type organization set up by the 0,1%, designed to strike their political enemies. I can’t see any other use for these quasi- military “Homeland” units – who else are they supposed to fight?

This is extremely difficult for security forces to deal with. They are set up to target and arrest a dissident minority but not to carry out mass street killing. The risk from their point of view is to have security personnel swamped in the crowds and too scared/unwilling to shoot.

Highly simplified, but agree.

Because the tactics (and THEY study it and train ad nauseam) is to break up the crowds in manageable chunks and then deal with each one by one.
It’s in essence medieval infantry and, sometimes, cavalry, tactics with armored vehicles here and there.

Shooting is NOT an option.

What people don’t get is….as soon as FIRST ROUND is fired at police it is not police matter anymore.
One round only………

I seems to be a question of momentum.

You nailed it IMHO.
That’s what makes history; recognizing the dynamics and managing it.
Demands great leaders.
I believe they exist around us and they’ll rise to the challenge at the right moment.
It’s all about recognizing that moment.
I admit….I do not understand how it works.
But I’ve seen people who do.
It’s magic really (because I don’t get it….haha….).

If the numbers grow, the citizens win, but if it fades (i.e. the situation “stabilizes”) they lose, and their leaders can be imprisoned and murdered.

Precisely.
Although I’d say “imprisoned”, only, in USA.

The game of high stakes.

History is full of examples going both ways.

There wasn’t …..dynamics (for a lack of better word) at Waco.

Can it happen in USA…anywhere………I have no idea.
Gut feeling……..no.

The citizenship overwhelmingly gets into roads, streets and around paramilitary/military staging areas. All local businesses and usual activities, except emergency services, close.

This is extremely difficult for security forces to deal with. They are set up to target and arrest a dissident minority but not to carry out mass street killing. The risk from their point of view is to have security personnel swamped in the crowds and too scared/unwilling to shoot.

Dictator Ceausescu had a finely tuned and famously brutal secret police (Securitate) who were turned powerless (not enough of them) by the massed street revolution of 1989 in the same way that scared military units were swamped by 100′s thousands of angry citizens and melted away.

I seems to be a question of momentum. If the numbers grow, the citizens win, but if it fades (i.e. the situation “stabilizes”) they lose, and their leaders can be imprisoned and murdered.

You mean:
Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge
I guess….

Wasn’t there a recent standoff in a national forest reserve compound that ended fairly well? By “well” I mean there wasn’t a slaughter like Waco. I guess there was a different dynamic in that the place was not in a city setting.

Yeah……………………………..

I mean, only one man was shot to death, the rest arrested.

Yeah..fairly well.

Because the “occupants” were smart enough NOT to resist.

The only guy who appeared to be resisting (I’ve watched the video of the shooting and….well…YOU tell me….) was shot to death.
You are free to conclude what would’ve happened if more people had APPEARED to be going for a concealed weapon. Heavens forbid actually firing at the “lawmen”.

Oh, and the crunch, IMHO.
The “occupation” collapsed when everyone and his her dog/cat disowned the “occupants”.
My God.

The land of free, brave, armed…………oh man.

THEY are to challenge the power of The Empire?
Yeah……………………

Now, look at the ISIS guys recordings before getting into those mobile IDEs………..

Compare.

The “militarization” of police isn’t so much about efficiency in the field.
Make no mistake; US “militarized” police unit wouldn’t last 10 minutes against 3 World militia light infantry of equal size.
It’s about “managing perceptions”.
In essence, its about instilling FEAR into lower 80 % of population.

I was living in Central Texas at the time and of course the Waco incursion was the main theme of Texas TV and newspapers. As events unfolded it was high melodrama which ended shockingly when the Koresh compound ended engulfed in flames. We all knew that men, women and children wee trapped inside with no evidence that any were escaping. There is no doubt in my mind that local law enforcement, i.e., the Sheriff’s department and the Texas State police were told to back off and not interfere with the storm troopers of the Federal ATF. No use stating much more, the entire event has been recorded for history, and draw your own conclusions. Mine is that Janet Reno literally got away with murder.

The Minneapolis police department has obtained a “search warrant” for the victim’s house…WHY??

Hey PeterUS,

Wasn’t there a recent standoff in a national forest reserve compound that ended fairly well? By “well” I mean there wasn’t a slaughter like Waco. I guess there was a different dynamic in that the place was not in a city setting.

And I agree – the locals will likely want to negotiate or otherwise resolve things in an orderly manner in their community whereas the Feds are likely to use their fancy toys in trying to resolve the issue. I remember watching a documentary on Waco, some of the bodies showed use of white phosphorus, if I remember correctly.

Peace.

Well…it was a highly professional and admirable act by one man, but, I really don’t think that offsets thousands (yes…thousands) others just getting on with the program.

When I say thousands I mean not only members of security apparatus but also their families, and equally important, citizenship in the region.

The Waco example is just perfect for anyone wishing to understand how those things work in USA.

Let’s imagine this:
A GROUP is holed up in a compound defying an inspection (say, “illegal arms” excuse) from the state.
The state deploys police->a couple of shots at police cars, police retreat.
The state raises stakes and deploys paramilitary police->heavier fire from the compound, light casualties taken on both sides, paramilitary police retreat and establish containment around the compound.
Media rushes into the area.
So far, almost as in Waco.
Now, a bit of difference (some people will, likely, recognize where it could’ve been coming from). Citizenship in the area gets into streets and roads, starting protests, demonstrations. Local businesses close.
Local police develop high number of sick leaves. A couple of cops threaten resignation.
State raises the stakes->deploys military (special forces backed up by mechanized infantry and helicopter gunships) in the area; just staging and starts to develop picture and action plans.
The citizenship overwhelmingly gets into roads, streets and around paramilitary/military staging areas. All local businesses and usual activities, except emergency services, close. Several local police force members resign, the rest (except a couple…) take sick leave (local doctors more than happy to cooperate).
People from wider areas start busing into the area.
Paramilitary police establish checkpoints blocking the area.
All economic activity in the area stops, including traffic through.
Arson, vandalism and a couple of armed robberies happen. A couple of homicides too.
State declares “emergency law” in the region.
Paramilitary police and federal state security apparatus step in to prevent breakup of law and order.

Now, up to this is easy…and Waco could’ve been like that…or, perhaps it should’ve been like that.

From then on the game can escalate into Hell…….or gets down to talk and into slow deescalation.
Depends on a lot of variables and a bit of luck/fate as well.

The pattern seen at the time in Waco was recognized, in certain circles, as:
Wrong estimate by the state (underestimate the opponent/overestimate own).
State overreaction after the initial failure. This is important.
Total disregard for collateral damage when reasserting state authority.
Meek reaction from local community and wider population.

Waco most likely set the pattern for the future.

Beautifully written. It could of course just have been said equally about the cakewalks of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Apparently hubris never dies it just gains weight over time. Obesity would be the best description of American hubris at this point. What is it they say about people who don’t learn from history? Help me here, I forget…

Easy! Because they are ordered to from higher up. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Actually, no. The local Texan Sheriff was negotiating in good faith and had established rapport based on trust and was in constant communication, but every time he was making good headway he was undermined by a Fed agency, such as when military vehicles smashed up the parked vehicles belonging to the Davidians. He is on the record about this and there are recordings of his conversation where Koresh complains about it. The Sheriff went on to state that he was appalled at what eventuated and felt betrayed by the Feds.

SR42: I agree with your comments that a sizable number of service members are noncombat support personnel. And I think that “pregnant soldier” has to be a classic oxymoron. But still I feel strongly that the trained combat forces that we do have would overwhelmingly defeat any militia even comprising millions of civilians.. Who would lead this militia and what would be their tactics? I was living in Washington DC in 1972 when race riots threatened to shut down the city. President Nixon called in elements of the 82nd Airborne Division which rapidly entered DC and patrolled streets and bridges. Each paratrooper was fully armed and as I crossed the 14th Street bridge the sight of these troopers lining the bridge was sobering indeed. One did not need to have military experience to know this was a well-disciplined force led by competent officers and NCOs who would not tolerate nonsense by unruly rioters. The city was very quiet at that time, almost eerily so. Having stated the above, I sincerely believe that America will never come to such a desperate situation that our citizens will have to rise up against the government. It would be national suicide if it did.

of course it couldn’t be the cops fault, they never do anything wrong, when was the last time a grand jury found one guilty?, wake up idiot a lot of times the person never gets the chance to kiss the cops ass before he’s turned into Swiss cheese

Well…I agree with you here, but…..just a gut feeling.

In today’s world of “managing perceptions”, having well organized “public events” (let’s not call it demonstrations..) could mean positive difference in this conflict (people vs “deep state”/US citizens vs Empire/NWO).

Simply, I feel that one of very effective tools/weapons isn’t being used, let alone properly utilized, by one side.

L.K,

Beyond participant troll commenters, I intuit that you will be the only person who answers the following question.

Why do U.S. police forces turn to Israel for training instead of using the “homeland” F.B.I. resources?

Yes , I understand why you asked that “question”.. .

It’s called trolling…

Very simple : people who voted for DT are busy trying to make a dignified living, raise their kids and stay above water, they have no time for demonstrating and no inclination for destruction.

Demonstrators/Democrats, activists etc are for the most part living off of the labors of the working stiffs, and they have time on their hands and hatred in their hearts.

The Party of the Democrats has aways been the party of ignorant, uninformed small-minded, not all of them, fools, and the honchos, opportunists,”Politicians” who manage, in some sort of mysterious manner to become millionaires, through concocting unter-the-table deals while in office.

Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

“There are no good cops, no not one. All cops are trained liars. Never trust a word out of a cop’s mouth.”

It is amazing that you are able to tell that lie with a straight face.

Well…..I am not quite sure I agree with you here.

I guess that your point is that local police force is fundamentally different from federal security apparatus.

I can’t say I buy that.

My understanding is that the “Waco operation” (no need to get into proper names, acronyms etc. I hope) was a combined, integrated effort by all police/security forces in the area, from the local sheriff to FBI (and US military which is another, more serious, but conventionally overlooked matter).
All elements had their assigned role and I am not aware of any breach of discipline, resignation during the operation let alone mutiny in ranks.
Or, God forbids, actively helping Davidians.

So, while it is correct that the brunt of “work” was done by FBI and “Delta Force”, all the rest played their roles well.

We know that, actually, without local guys playing their roles quite well, all that wouldn’t have worked.
Wider perimeter security, providing logistics, help with reconnaissance, help with
gathering intelligence about the compound and people inside etc….all local guys work.

My point is…they are all the same…cogs in the same machine, they just do different work.

But, of course, it goes deeper.

The roots are deep within US society.
That’s why nobody cared then and nobody cares now.

Discuss the issues raised by you, and with you…..?…!

You don’t understand why I asked that simple question.
And your answer is……..wrong…..on several levels.

L.K

YOU inspire me.

One matter? It does matter “who’s behind the gun.”

In fact, given a choice to fight against ZUSA, I’D be honored to go down with only an old Woolworth’s “Five & Dime” slingshot and wearing what apostle Paul called “The armor of God.”

Thank you and Benedicte.Domine!

Typical trolling…. not willing to discuss the issues raised, you then try to make this about me.

I cannot really say anything about the AK-47, since I never had the opportunity to fire one… maybe some day, if i get lucky… we used the FN FAL 7,62mm.

Then again, it all depends on the operator and the level of training & practice.
Depending on who’s behind the gun, results may vary dramatically.

Anyways, is the Taliban not a militia? and a poorly funded & armed one at that?

if a municipal PD or county Sheriff’s Dept. had shot an unarmed mother holding a baby or had rammed armored vehicles into a church full of children and set it on fire, all parties involved would have done lengthy prison terms

not so sure about that

none of these murderous cops (and many, many more) have done so much as one day’s jail time

not to diminish the unspeakable evil of Waco and Ruby Ridge tho

and here’s some rather surprising good news

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/fbi-agent-killed-lavoy-finicum-hires-dc-lawyer/

The atrocities at Waco and Ruby Ridge were conducted by federal agencies (FBI and BATF) with full approval all the way up the chain of command. What their use-of-force continuum is, I do not know, but I DO know that if a municipal PD or county Sheriff’s Dept. had shot an unarmed mother holding a baby or had rammed armored vehicles into a church full of children and set it on fire, all parties involved would have done lengthy prison terms. There is a significant double standard in the way that federal LEO’s are allowed to conduct themselves, as opposed to local agencies, which are subjected to legal action and weeks of national scrutiny every time some career criminal gets his hair mussed while assaulting a local policeman. Jan (“The Man”) Reno should be living out her days in her own personal episode of Orange is the New Black, but instead…nada.

Under recent Democratic administrations, these federal agencies have been groomed as the prototypes for Obama’s “civilian national security force…just as big and just as well funded as the military”. Manufactured uproar over local police scandals plays right into the hands of those who would federalize U.S. law enforcement, because the DOJ consent decrees that are imposed in the wake of these events allow federal oversight and control to a degree that SHOULD be found to be un-Constitutional.

This is the true nature of “militarizing” America’s police — the Controllers’ dream of replacing local authority with an overarching federal behemoth that would conduct itself like the USSR’s MVD. Then, episodes like Waco and Ruby Ridge would become the norm, instead of the shameful aberrations they are today.

These 9 million rebels would be hard put with their limited firepower against tanks, grenades, artillery, and fighter-bomber aircraft to name a few of the serious weapons which would be available to the Federales standing army of 3.5 million. Actually no contest. The best the nine million could do would be to fight a guerrilla type war, but the guerrillas still need to be resupplied.

Agree.

That’s probably what got Trump into power.

Which brings me to an issue that’s been puzzling me since the election.

Maybe you could add some input there.

Say….this ‘populist’ thing in USA (Trump victory).

‘Progs/dems/left/people who voted for The Bitch/whatever’ are quite quick, and even efficient, in pulling demonstrations/public display of numbers supporting their issues.

So…the question is: why we do not see the same from the people who voted for Trump?

Isn’t that, actually, the most powerful weapon ‘populist’ leaders have?

Say….100.000 people demonstrating to hasten the build of The Wall?
Or….saying “enough” to active obstructions of Trump’s jobs/immigration election promises?
Or….this ‘Russian hacking” BS?

Ah…and while we are still on the topic of ‘militarized police’ and Waco, an addition why nobody cared/care:
“People of faith”
1. True believers: they weren’t worshiping The True and Only God (mine/ours of course).
2. Organized religion: as above, plus ‘WE have to control the flock…not some chosen (by us, naturally) outsider.

“Members of state tools”
1. Police (from sheriff department to FBI): you do NOT shoot back……..EVER. You submit to our demand or …..you get this. Remember that.
2. Military
a) top brass: well, Cold War is over…what now? Ah….internal dissent…and…hehe…civilians can’t handle it. Beautiful.
b) shooters: Cool. Let’s put all that training into practice. Cool….
And,never spoken, of course, but….how does it feel when you take life?

They were Democrats, and Democrats are always forgiven for the same actions for which the Republicans would be excoriated.

If a Republican president would have been dicking a young intern in the WH he would have been tarred and feathered, and run out on a rail.

I am not claiming that Republicans do not have their share of scoundrels and scumbags, as they do, however the Democrats are the world champions at underhandedness, dishonesty, corruption and dissolute behavior.

And the sad fact is as long as they control the media, edumacation, justitia and Hollywood they will win every battle, as the Republicans are still terrified of the expressions : Racist, and Racism
The only solution to this checkmate and dilema is for the Republicans to start labeling the Democrats as : Racists.
Meaning to simply throw back the same garbage at them.
They, the Republicans, are however too chicken to engage in this brilliant strategy and therefore will remain powerless.

Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

….I served for 3 years in my corner of the woods and even became… a squad leader!….

O………………K…………

What do you think….what would be an effective range of AK-47 rifle?

Say….what would be a distance from the enemy position a guy could get you from?
One shooter only, with an AK-47 platform, iron sights, wooden stock, you are just standing up (day, of course, no wind)?
He gets one round only, no corrections….

What do you think?

I am not quite sure I am following you here.
Could you please clarify?

Hey Andrei,

LOL! Love that story. Yeah – can’t blame them for celebrating on that occasion.

They are pretty competent.

You are in a far better position to make that judgement than I am, so I’ll take your word for it. The reasons I mentioned them is that they really haven’t had a real modern war with anybody of note other than clashes with their neighbors – which aren’t really top-tier. But Egypt, for example, has tangoed with the Bretis, French and Israelis. Sure they may have lost more than they won, but you learn a lot even when you lose. Especially going up against nations that received their credentials in WW2. I guess what I’m saying is that the Algeriann army isn’t really battle-tested. Sure they had their war against the terrorist insurgents of GIA, but those guys were just a precursor to groups like Daesh – just a bunch of butchering foot-soldiers.

I’m not a military expert by any means, but I have read quite a bit on Muslim military history. The impression I get is that war is a bit like boxing. You get better with practice and it depends on who your sparring partner is. So for instance, anybody who went up against the Wehrmacht and survived probably gained a hell of a lot of knowledge of what to and what not to do. One of the reasons it seems the Ottomans did spectacularly well in Southern and Eastern Europe at the height of their power was that, to the East, they had crossed swords with the likes of the Timurids and the Safavids – both extremely solid Asian empires as well as survived a fairly crazy civil war – that is a heck of a lot of good experience, even when losing.

For instance, I read that one of the reasons that Muhammad Ali was so good was that he had first class sparring partners – men that were very legit fighters on their own.

Peace.

I really don’t expect much from the Algerians for instance

But you should. For starters, many of them went through naval academy in Brest (Ecole Navale’) and gave a good account of themselves. Others (I knew couple, with one we had a pretty lengthy talk) who evidently screw too many French girls and was exiled to KVVMKU, and were absolutely crushed by tactical and math and physics curriculum. They were known as Lyzhi (Russian for Skiees) and my worst night was in Summer 1982 when Algerian national team won FRG (West Germany) at World Cup in Spain. SOBs put themselves in the rank and file “box” and were running around naval academy all night shouting their Algerian songs. Each time they would pass out company’s (actually two of them) quarters we would scream at them Poshli Na Hui (google, google) from our windows and they would scream back–Spasibo. Well, what do you say–Algiers beating West Germany–realistically historic. I believe it was interference of academy and faculty duty officers and threats from guards from academy’s arsenal (they were passing each time) to “interfere” that got them to calm down and go to their hostel. We still heard them singing all night from quarter of a mile. The problem–this was the night we shipped off to some…. location. SOBs didn’t allow us to sleep. They are pretty competent. I guess French “thing” plays the role and who didn’t love The Umbrellas Of Cherbourg.

Much more than just ‘a woman’ …what They left out: Holistic Healer/Dr. Justine Damond killed by police in Minneapolis
By Erin Elizabeth – July 16, 2017
…Dr. Justine Damond, 40,
a well known Australian holistic healer, cancer researcher
and
trained veterinarian surgeon from Sydney,
was
shot dead…

https://www.healthnutnews.com/spiritual-healer-killed-by-police-in-minneapolis/

Holistic Doctor Death Series: Over 60 Dead In Just Over A Year
By Erin Elizabeth
… Sadly, most mainstream sites barely cover one doctor, let alone the dozens we’ve had die this year, if we count mysterious accidents, murders, alleged suicides, or unexplained sudden deaths.

As you will see in the timeline below, there are allegedly 3 different dates within one month where 2 doctors died on the same day. That’s 6 doctors (who died in pairs on 3 different days).

Some of the biggest skeptics, those who rolled their eyes at the first few deaths, are now wondering if there isn’t a connection. There have been theories, from GcMAF to CBD oil, but I don’t think all doctors used both of these treatments. I’m not convinced either is the smoking gun, but might hold part of the answer…Besides the fact that the majority were holistic, there is another common theme; they all cared deeply and were passionate about health. I have endless emails from their friends, patients, neighbors, loved ones, and family members. It’s clear they were adored by many.
…See below for the official detailed timeline. NOTE: There is often more than one doctor per # listed. Some paragraphs mention 8 dead doctors in one single sentence with links…

The myth of cooperation in the Muslim world is as enduring as the myth of cooperation in Christendom

Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!

You are laughable. Your whole post about the war in Syria is a mere caricature.

Look at the kind of shit you write: “I was expecting, when Russian air-campaign started, that in a less than 6 months tops that war would be over.”

What a ridiculous statement… only someone who knows very little about the war in Syria or … someone with deep seated prejudices and an agenda could write such idiocies… in your case, given that you seem to post over at MoA, and the author there, a retired German army officer, has been doing a solid job covering the war in Syria, the only explanation is that you really are pretty dishonest.

For now though, you said the useless Syrians cannot win the war – while totally ignoring the role of the ZUSA & friends – even though they are only fighting “militias”….

First, let me say those “militias” are much better armed, funded and supported and numerous than the Taliban.

Now, the ZUSA and the criminal Brits, plus smaller NATO contingents, and the Afghan forces they have raised, are fighting what, exactly?

The Taliban is a militia, no? The ZUSA coalition has been there since 01 and there is no comparison at all between the modest resources available to the Syrian military and the US and British forces…

Yet, no victory. I’m sure you’ll come up with a clever explanation(bullshitting) for all that, though…

Stalinist liar martyanov certainly would…

Anyway, despite the ZUSA’s criminal coalition best efforts, Syria & its allies are winning the war. But you knew that already.

Andrei(smoothie): “I don’t know, but I presume people speaking the truth, most of the time until caught”

You mean, like when I caught you, right? LYING about your beloved red army casualty figures(and more)?

Until you forced me to scan a page from Krivosheev’s book & upload it, you had egg on your stalinist face, but you would not concede even that basic point! Bc you are a bullshitter.

It occurs to me that you and this peterAUS guy, you guys could be twin (evil) brothers…

Same bullshitting style, very similar dissembling tactics, etc…

If you did not have different handles I could mistake one for the other.

peterAUS:

“My guess is that you do not have military experience”

Uh, depends what you mean by that; if military experience means having been to war, then no…
If it includes a stint in the military, I served for 3 years in my corner of the woods and even became… a squad leader!

peterAus:

“So…always….rank/position/whatever credentials the person is talking…means nothing to me.
I read squad leader post action report and get stunned. Impressive.
I read 4 star general paper about strategy and wish to puke. Stupid.
Complicated?”

Not per say, except for the fact that you really are a bullshitter. For example, you wrote, in that other thread, in response to my posting of U.S. Marine Corps, Lt. Col. John Sayen’s statements( which are actually from a book!):
“Lt.Colonel….rather low rank to talk about policy/strategy…even operations. Hell, based on his EXPERIENCE, I’d say (without reading his bio) he’s never COMMANDED unit larger than a battalion”

So, in fact, the truth is, whether the person is a private or a General, if what they say is not to your liking, bullshitters like you will immediately find something to discredit them with…
Like Col Hackworth, started out as a private, fought in Korea, Vietnam, highly decorated… no go.

peterAUS: “So..that character….Douglas Macgregor…what EXACTLY is he saying?
You could post the summary for us here I hope?”

Nope. Go read a book.

P.S. if you don’t know who Douglas Macgregor is, I’m starting to think you don’t know that much about the ZUSA’s military.

Dear Nephew,

I remember reading a similar assessment a few years ago – maybe it was by the same author.

“some Arab militaries are better than others”

Yeah – I really don’t expect much from the Algerians for instance, but who the hell wants to fight them? For what? Beach front property?

Thanks for the references!

Peace.

Oh, I understand all of the above points & in fact agree with them, but you are still a troll!

The fact is that many US cops are often trigger happy, poorly trained or trained in a wrong manner and there is plenty of evidence to support such a contention.
This is not good policing;

P.S. Don’t assume, making an ass of you and me, that everyone posting knows nothing about guns or violence.

Pete — please don’t conflate Interior Ministry troops with local police and sheriff’s departments.

Hello uncle Talha,

Colonel Lang’s viewpoint re the Israli-Arab wars.
First though, Lang’s bio:

Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets). He served in the Department of Defense both as a serving officer and then as a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service for many years. He is a highly decorated veteran of several of America’s overseas conflicts including the war in Vietnam. He was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years.

Re the Israeli-Arab wars:

It must be said that they[the Israelis] have typically been lucky in their enemies and that if they had faced more serious enemies, they would have had a much different experience than the ones they had. In the Golan Heights the Syrians gave them a very difficult time in 1973[...]The Jordanians gave them a run for their money in 1948-49. Hizbullah delivered a hint of the inherent limits in such a socio-military system in 2006 and now we are seeing whatever it is that we will see at Gaza.

Also of interest is that in the war of 48, the Israeli forces were much larger and better armed. Author and former Middle East correspondent, Alan Hart:

As to the actual fighting in 1948 here is the key to complete understanding. Early on there was a month long truce. When the fighting resumed it was 20,000 Arab soldiers, poorly trained and equipped, lacking motivation and badly led, against 80,000 Israeli forces, well trained and equipped, highly motivated and well led.

Also, as you have noted , some Arab militaries are better than others;
Col Lang on the Jordanian army:

The Jordanian army has a long record of victory. The only instance of their defeat was at the hands of the IDF in 1967. In that case the IDF air force destroyed their armored forces, specifically the 40th Armored Brigade under Zeid bin Shakir. The Jordanians had no adequate anti-air defenses. In 1948 the Palmach(elite israeli forces) lost 800 odd dead trying to take the Latrun police fort from the Jordanians. The Jordanians had one infantry company in the fort.

For a good article on how Hezbollah defeated Israel in 06, former high ranking MI6 intel officer, Alastair Crooke’s 3 set piece is probably the best;
HOW HEZBOLLAH DEFEATED ISRAEL
PART 2: Winning the ground war – http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HJ13Ak01.html

Hmm… interesting, but when I mentioned vets before, but what they said wasn’t to your liking, you just dismissed them with a shrug… I guess that is what shills do, eh?

Let’s try to clarify something.
My guess is that you do not have military experience.
My guess is that you do, for any reason, like the “topic’.
O.K.
My advice to you is …try to read, think…and then try to argue.
If that’s too hard for your ego (or incompatible with agenda) you won’t make it.

So…always….rank/position/whatever credentials the person is talking…means nothing to me.
I read squad leader post action report and get stunned. Impressive.
I read 4 star general paper about strategy and wish to puke. Stupid.
Complicated?
How about the comparison for civilians: Would you trust Maddoff types when talking about YOUR money? I mean…the guys have all credentials: experience, education, intelligence…..
Or, would you trust The Bitch regarding US foreign policy. I mean…the woman does have intelligence, education….tons of experience?
Hard to understand what I am trying to say?

So..that character….Douglas Macgregor…what EXACTLY is he saying?
You could post the summary for us here I hope?

Nice…as expected.

Haha…nice move.

We do have to be reminded every now and then that the Internet isn’t actually for learning things but entertainment.

And, what’s better than having a flamefest isn’t it?

I….gather….that Andrei is a professional.
I know the type; had drinks with similar guys arguing about things.

So…we SHALL get on each other throats about some things.
But….we will try to use our knowledge/experience to hammer out some truths, because we are what we are.

And that is something “outsiders” don’t get.

See….Andrei can talk 98 % of shit to me….and call me names….but all I am interested is those 2 %.
And, I just get an impression he’s the same.
Or Saker…or any of the guys with “inside angle”.

Complicated?

Good grief, you are such a clown!

Hey,hero, with reading comprehension issues, read this:

http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-militarized-police/#comment-1947082

I’ll quote it for you:

I do have first hand experience in training of Arab military personnel.

Nepotism, corruption, lack of hard work, lack of discipline…list goes on.
Homosexuality…………(now, that is an interesting topic with Arab societies).

Specially for you: as I stated–I disagree with the guy on very many issues, but at least he brings some first hand experience (how it is in reality–I don’t know, but I presume people speaking the truth, most of the time until caught) and at least he can have his, however controversial and wrong opinion. What’s your background? Your mom’s basement? What can you possibly bring to this discussion of value or of insight? Any tactical, any staff, any operational experience? Have you ever been next to “working” serious weapon systems? Have anybody shot at you with the purpose of killing or wounding you? So get back to your mom’s basement and browse some porn-sites and express your opinions there–there they may have some value.

Fair point.

At the other hand, you do realize that “CIA Case Officer and Army Intelligence Officer ” types could go through all their career never firing a shot in anger?
You, also, perhaps, realize that there is a little difference between shooting at somebody at 600 meters with rifle and somebody at 10 meters with a handgun?
And, also, there is a bit of difference between shooting in war/COIN and policing own citizenship?

I just knew some highly placed, experienced, intelligent ‘spooks’ who couldn’t hit a man sized target at 15 meters on a handgun range. Never been in fistfight….

And, on top of all that, my comment was actually about readership, not the writer.
Anyway, thank you for making my point.

Hmm… interesting, but when I mentioned vets before, but what they said wasn’t to your liking, you just dismissed them with a shrug… I guess that is what shills do, eh?

Re that little talk we were having, here is what another US vet had to say about the current Russian forces;

On one side is Macgregor, an outspoken and controversial advocate for reform of the Army — whose weapons he describes as “obsolescent,” its senior leaders as “self-interested,” and its spending as “wasteful.” Viewed by many of his colleagues as one of the most innovative Army officers of his generation, Macgregor, a West Point graduate with a Ph.D. in international relations (“he can be pretty gruff,” a fellow West Point graduate says, “but he’s brilliant”), led the 2nd Cav’s “Cougar Squadron” in the best-known battle of Operation Desert Storm in February 1991. In 23 minutes, Macgregor’s force destroyed an entire Iraqi Armored Brigade (including nearly 70 Iraqi armored vehicles), while suffering a single American casualty….

In the wake of the battle, however, Macgregor calculated that if his unit had fought a highly trained and better armed enemy, like the Russians, the outcome would have been different.

This is Douglas Macgregor BTW, vet and U.S. Army Colonel, not Conor, the MMA fighter. I know, I know, just a Colonel, too low a rank for you… anyways…

But Macgregor is still fighting that battle. In early September he circulated a PowerPoint presentation showing that in a head-to-head confrontation pitting the equivalent of a U.S. armored division against a likely Russian adversary, the U.S. division would be defeated. “Defeated isn’t the right word,” Macgregor told me last week. “The right word is annihilated.”

To try to answer my own question…just an exercise.

“Progressives/left”:
1. Smart: we want power; whatever works to give us power and keeps us in power.
2. Useful idiots: ah…well…those were religious nutcases….well…sad…but…they brought it up on themselves. Let’s talk about something else…how is your latte?
“Right”
1. Conservatives: unfortunate; we’ll need an inquiry. The most important is not to aggravate police/military…just hammer the Democrats.
2. Racialists: those were race traitors…..who cares
3. Gun guys: ….uhm….mmm….looks as those guns I have won’t do if THEY are onto me…hm……..mmm….I’ll get a beer and go to the range today; gotta practice more.
“Middle”
1. Whoah…look at that….ah…baseball on the channel “x”….switch.
2. Look at…ah….gotta go to work/fix the car/go shopping…

“Educated youngsters”:
1. Look at that (15 seconds altogether)….ah…gotta check Facebook….

“Immigrants from all over the world” living in USA:
1. Nothing new there……..they’ve been doing that to everyone since Red Indians
2. Well..well….they started on their own…….that’s interesting……

Funny a?

If you read it all, what he means is that US/”Western” forces are superior.

I am not interested in opinions of a guy on modern warfare if he had his experienced shaped in first or even second Chechen campaigns. I made it very clear to him, nor am I interested in his assessments of modern Russian Armed Forces. Having said all that–at least, unlike you, he has some ideas which he can back with pedigree and experience. Your opinions on anything military (and especially Russia) related are, basically, trash. So,

Now, discuss!

Now, get lost!

peterAUS:

People who are the most vocal are the same people who have no idea how….”violence”….works.
They, for some peculiar reasons really don’t like (understatement) police/military/guns…”violence” (whatever that really means for them

Good grief, you are such a clown!

You do realize you are writing this kind of crap under an article written by P. Giraldi, right?

Phil Giraldi is a former CIA Case Officer and Army Intelligence Officer who spent twenty years overseas in Europe and the Middle East working terrorism cases.

I don’t mean to get in the middle of yours and this peterAus troll bashing of the useless Ay-rabs, but here is something this guy wrote, while attacking the Saker, comparing the US and Russian armed forces:

“… For me just three:
Rule of law.
Corruption.
Work ethics.

Now, COMPARE those three elements in US (or West in general) and Russia.

As for military, say, an average mechanized brigade:
Alcoholism in ranks.
Relationship between officers/senior NCOs and troopers.
Combat support services (quality and availability of spare parts and quality of maintenance….related to work ethics and alcohol, naturally).
Quality of training…..related to personal example of officers/senior NCOs.”

If you read it all, what he means is that US/”Western” forces are superior.

This is his comment #210 to be found at http://www.unz.com/tsaker/russia-vs-america-in-syria/

In the same comment, he says of the Saker;

I get “virtue signalling”.
I also get a certain hypocrisy.
LIVING in the West and preferring Russia sounds a bit….weird?

Which in fact would describe your case more accurately than the Saker’s….

Now, discuss!

About America’s militarized police…..

Not bad article.
Plenty of comments; some of them quite good.

People appear to be interested in the topic.

So…..why is that nobody mentioned Waco, Texas?
I’ll repeat…………WACO……TEXAS !!

That is, in plain sight, a method how the leader of free world deals with perceived challenge to own power…credibility….call it whatever you want.

That is an elephant in the living room nobody wants to talk about.

And, it was Democrats in power.
And nobody was held responsible.
Not for overkill, misuse of state power….not even for errors, incompetence….simple blunder.
Nothing.

Nothing for gassing and burning alive American women and children.

Too scary to look at?
Too humiliating that the home of the free and brave allowed that not only to pass….but to have willing participants totally of the hook?
From shooters on the ground to the Great President?

So………….?

Hi Robin,

He said that despite their high IQ’s, they were generally unsuccessful and not very interesting or fun to be around.

one of the first ‘alt-right’ websites I encountered long ago, (before ‘it’ was even called ‘alt-right’), was a guy called John ‘the Birdman’ Bryant, who was apparently a Mensa member but who was exasperated at how close-minded and sheep-like they all were. Bryant ran a good website, (if you’re into that kind of thing), and tried to make a difference in his life, but because he was politically incorrect, the Mensans hated him for it.

here’s what remains of the late Birdman’s legacy, his website:

http://www.thebirdman.org/

Stand tall against a sea of lies; show your light tho it should only prick the darkness.
There is no better time than now, because now we are alive, and tomorrow may be too late. –JBR Yant
.
.

‘brains without character are a waste of cranium space….’

- Rurik ~ the unexceptional

Hey PeterAUS,

And, now really boring stuff, not just about that but quality of weapons, ammunition, maintenance (both in barracks and field), specialized skill of all those in the chain…from loaders to Brigade Staff. THAT is what Arabs just don’t have.

I’ll agree with you here – the British military is the result of centuries of military tradition well versed in modern military principles and tactics that were finely honed in the great slaughter-fests known as WW1 (often really bad tactics) and WW2. Millions of men were expended in massive blunders to make sure the European militaries figured out the right way to do things. Europeans had great sparring partners – let me tell you.

Now, I guarantee you……..you could count on one hand…maybe…maybe two hands…….armies capable of that today.

Agree there – I think maybe only the Turks and Pakistanis and possibly the Iranians could pull off something like 100-200, but I don’t have full confidence in either of them to do so 100% of the time.

When dealing with Arabs, one must try to figure out which ones they are talking about. And also remember that for centuries their defense was the responsibility of the Ottomans who fielded a very capable officer corps from a long military tradition and this would often include Bosnians and Albanians who provided the core of the defense force (with local Arab militias providing the auxiliary support). The Arabs definitely gained independence, and have had to learn to defend their own territories after having someone else do it for them all this time – it’s been a hard lesson.

Peace.

” I call him unathentic windbag”

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

How witty and original, you missed your calling as a stand up comic.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

I call him “unauthentic Windbag.”

Way of-topic.
Or maybe not taking into account “militarization” of police.
Because there is a HUGE gap between paramilitary police and military.
Artillery one of them.

Speaking of which, as per your question:

Their forces in general or SAS? I did read about some very daring SAS raids to take out airfields and other high-value assets. But even elite forces have limitations:

“General” forces…: Paras, Marines and “line infantry” (Scots Guards). The Guards directly from ceremonial duties……

I emphasize…it was not about infantry (although demanded a lot from them, obviously), it was about combined arms battle.
And, now really boring stuff, not just about that but quality of weapons, ammunition, maintenance (both in barracks and field), specialized skill of all those in the chain…from loaders to Brigade Staff.
THAT is what Arabs just don’t have.
Actually, that’s what most of armies of this world don’t have.

Night, soggy terrain, unpredictable gusts of wind….and infantry trusted artillery so they would creep forward up to fifty meters from Argentine positions, while artillery suppressed the defense. Or simply stayed at that line while artillery would hammer defense into submission before that final “jump”.
The longest 50 meters in life.
And, it was in 1982.

Now, I guarantee you……..you could count on one hand…maybe…maybe two hands…….armies capable of that today.

Most of them would be lucky to get the infantry up to 400 meters….

Haha…and I guarantee you, around 90 % of people reading this have no idea why is this so important.

But…ask any vet what he thinks about it.

As for that very SAS operation (and all that stuff should be taken with a GRAIN of salt), there is a very fine writing, as:

https://www.amazon.de/Exocet-Falklands-Untold-Special-Operations-ebook/dp/B00QVZPRBK

Malcolm Gladwell goes into this in considerable detail in his book Outliers, including Lewis Terman’s “Termites”, a selected group of very high IQ students who were expected to rise to greatness due to their intellectual gifts. They didn’t.

Hey PeterAUS,

The crux of ground combined arms operations is having an effective artillery support (canon, howitzers, MLRS, hopefully motorized, preferably mechanized).

Agreed – though none of that is possible if the enemy’s jets and helicopters control the air – though Hezbollah did prove they could still field rockets (even if they weren’t the best quality) while having no control over the skies.

appears to be way above Arabs.

Again – depends on which Arabs you are talking about. There were times when Egyptians and even Jordanians pulled off some impressive strikes in their wars against Israel. But in general, they will need a lot of training from, say, Turks or Pakistanis, if not Europeans etc.

up to 50 …FIFTY…meters from Argentine positions.

Their forces in general or SAS? I did read about some very daring SAS raids to take out airfields and other high-value assets. But even elite forces have limitations:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2592320/The-secret-disastrous-SAS-attempt-invade-Argentina-revealed-In-Falklands-War-crack-troops-suicidal-mission-storm-Galtieris-Exocet-missile-base-This-story-told-time.html

Peace.

Makes sense – it sounds like a Star Trek convention – probably a lot of overlap in membership.

Peace.

The truth is that Israel is vulnerable to thousands of dumb rockets that start fires.

Probably true, but even when it concerns the Israelis, I am against indiscriminate warfare on principle – it is immoral.

I agree 100% – I personally do NOT want anyone to die in the ME. I want the Matrix Jews to compensate the Palestinian people for their pain and suffering.

Building effective ground to air missiles requires hi-tech infrastructure. Perhaps only Iran has that capability.

If Egypt were to get s-400’s the whole balance of power in the ME would change for the better.

Peace — Art

Recently somebody (maybe Scott Adams) said that he’d joined Mensa, but very quickly stopped going to meetings because the people were all so miserable. He said that despite their high IQ’s, they were generally unsuccessful and not very interesting or fun to be around.

Given your distinguished career to date, I am gratified by the 2-letter reply to my question.

Almost every Sunday at 8 pm, I watch “Columbo” on MeTV. So forgive me for asking one more thing.

Is the CIA and FBI hierarchy effectively autonomous and capable of action independent to the interests and will of Israel?

A concrete example is the > 30 year CIA effort to destabilize Iran’s Islamic government. Could the CIA take action to destabilize our 3 branch ZUSA government?

Either yes or no will do & God bless you!

the State Department report on terrorism for 2016, released this month, said that some Palestinian violence is driven by “a lack of hope” in ever gaining sovereignty:

Continued drivers of violence included a lack of hope in achieving Palestinian statehood, Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank, settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank, the perception that the Israeli government was changing the status quo on the Haram Al Sharif/Temple Mount, and IDF tactics that the Palestinians considered overly aggressive.

Those assertions would seem eminently logical after 70 years of failure to deliver on promises of a Palestinian state, but they have generated a storm of pushback from Israel’s friends in the United States.

Last week Illinois congressman Peter Roskam wrote to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, saying the “root cause” of Palestinian violence is the Palestinian Authority, not “a stalled peace process.”

Then on Monday, the Zionist Organization of America demanded that Tillerson step down.

In light of the U.S. State Department’s new, bigoted, biased, anti-Semitic, Israel-hating error-ridden terrorism report, the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) calls on Secretary of State Tillerson to resign. This Tillerson State Department Report blames Israel for Palestinian Arab terrorist attacks on innocent Jews and Americans…

(The ZOA had criticized the Tillerson appointment when it was made, saying it could not trust Tillerson because of his connections to Arabs as a former oil man.) http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/palestinian-statelessness-violence/

anyone who misspells such a well known word

.
my spelling is atrocious

if it weren’t for spell check, you’d barely be able to read it

but then I don’t go around reminding everyone of what an amazing genius I am, and berating them for not paying me enough homage for my greatness

I’ve noticed you occasionally make a salient point, but then it’s all wasted by your idiotic preening and tiresome self-praise.

And there’s nothing to be proud of anyways even if you are a member of Mensa, since they rarely accomplish anything of consequence other than patting each other on the back.

Give me a person of average intellect all day long with integrity and character and a willingness to speak the truth, over self-congratulating group of IQ test-takers and smug peacocks telling everyone how smart they are. If they’re so smart, why don’t they do something or say something of consequence that proves it, rather than preening all day long and annoying people.

Off topic reply so I apologize.

On policy/strategic level you could have a point.

On tactical level I disagree.

For a very good example how it CAN be effectively done I’d suggest taking a look at Serb/Yugoslav response in Kosovo before “Merciful Angel” kicked in.

And, all that without Russian help.

Say, you magically transfer Serb/Yugoslav response force of that time into today Syria, and with Russian help……I’d say 3 months tops to clear any visible opposition.

Agree that after that we’d have Afghanistan/Iraq scenario but that’s not the off-topic here.

“The same thing”…

Please cite an example of a White American cop who leans across his partner to shoot through the door of his patrol car, killing an unarmed female who is reporting a crime in an upscale neighborhood.

If you are honestly seeking answers about unsatisfactory conclusions to use-of-force incidents, please see my prior comments about the pitiful state of contemporary police training. Simply put, PD’s don’t make any particular effort to hire strong, capable men who are comfortable in high-stress physical situations, and the people who ARE hired are given neither the quality nor frequency of training that would enable them to perform at a high level of competence.

To police administrators, this is a feature, not a bug.

Good points, although off topic here……

But, still, for a really effective defense you need ACTIVE defense.

I’ll leave policy, strategy and operations out of reply.

Say, just a brigade DEFENSE of an area.

To do that defectively you MUST have a very good combined arms team, no matter what.
At least it would be, say, in open terrain, a mechanized infantry company (say, 3 platoons in APCs/IFVs, one tank platoon), supported by mobile AA capability (AAA cannon and missiles), and, the most important, IMHO, effective artillery support of that counterattack/plugging the hole/feint/whatever.

The crux of ground combined arms operations is having an effective artillery support (canon, howitzers, MLRS, hopefully motorized, preferably mechanized).

That …organization, coordination…let alone training and building expertise appears to be way above Arabs.

You mentioned Falklands. That’s a good point because it was done by First World attackers.
You’d maybe want to know that Brits were able, in 1982, to creep on their bellies, under artillery cover of 105 cannon batteries, in night, with heavy wind blasts….up to 50 …FIFTY…meters from Argentine positions.

Think about that for a second.

Yeah – in all honesty, I doubt you’d like to be on the receiving end of apartheid though. I have personally met Muslims from SA that were tortured in prison – not fun.

Ilana Mercer has a superb treatise on SA “In Cannibal’s Pot”, with many points of which I have to agree. Having said that–I never was in RSA and, of course, never experienced Apartheid first hand, I can only judge outcomes.

I would say they could achieve good deterrence capabilities on half their current budgets easily. I remember the war over the Falklands/Malvinas – I think just a few Exocets almost carried the day – until Thatcher strong armed the French into halting any more deliveries (another reason to have a partner ship of equals in the relationship – it just wasn’t worth it for the French to fight about it)

IIRC Argentine had 5 Exocets in all, but again, it is very dangerous to draw direct lessons from that conflict for Arabs. Air Forces and Air Defense are must have items for any posture–offensive or defensive, especially considering how doctrines of air war evolve in the last 20 years.

I know Arab armies have the reputation of not performing well in such operations, and it’s possible the SAA is still lacking in this department- however observing the current conflict wouldn’t be really useful to reach this conclusion.

It’s essentially a war against militias and urban sieges, all the time. At all time militants blend with civilians or take them hostages. No chance to apply state of the art tactics against conventional enemy formations. For the same reasons, US forces failed in Iraq when the war entered its insurrectional phase. There is no way you win these types of conflicts in six months

own capability to execute combined arms operations

Correct – but there is a difference in the level of sophistication required for an offensive posture and a defensive posture. Again the two models are First Chechen War and Lebanon 2006 – where the defensive side had zero air forces. Now imagine those with relatively modest air-defense capability – say the ability to shoot down one in five aircraft. No modern nation has the stomach to go on the offense looking at those numbers.

The fight against Daesh was not a defensive one, it was an offensive operation to gain (back) territory – which shows exactly how deplorable their offensive capabilities are. The situation in a Syrian civil war (with indigenous forces) is not analogous to denying a foreign nation from establishing a beach-head or base of operations since they are not local; if you can deny a foreign army air superiority and destroy their supply logistics – they will lose an entire field army in the operation. For instance – without Pakistan (or a Central Asian country) allowing supply lines into Afghanistan – the US invasion would have been a non-starter.

The point is to try to make sure the enemy knows they will pay severely for each inch of territory. Muslims have always been far more ready to take casualties – invading forces, not so much. Well-trained fourth-generation forces in the Muslim world have shown they can mount a relatively solid defense on a shoe-string budget (if they are willing to lose numbers) – adding the ability to deny the enemy the air should be top priority – not fancy jets that indigenous forces can’t really utilize well anyway. Arabs are not Europeans – they should not try to fight like Europeans.

Peace.

Hey Andrei,

things, as you know, changed

Yeah – in all honesty, I doubt you’d like to be on the receiving end of apartheid though. I have personally met Muslims from SA that were tortured in prison – not fun.

so it will never be the same again as it used to be in 1970s or 1980s

Possibly, but nation-states – if they have an inkling of self-preservation tend to know not to kill the golden goose. What I am getting at is that some of the elite (Blacks) will know not to ruin a good tax revenue source and protect it from the – ahem – intentions of democracy. And having billions of dollars pouring into it from the Gulf Arabs would help keep that incentive going.

Arabs generally do not have a labor force which is adequate for this.

Depends on where you are talking about – I could see developments in the Levant or Egypt in this direction, but the Gulf or North Africa has never had a huge history in producing this level of sophistication. Which is why smart out-sourcing is the way to go. Some already out-source certain things like hiring Pakistani mercenaries to fly their aircraft.

It is cultural.

Agreed. Which is why finding a good reliable external partner in an symbiotic relationship of equals and mutual benefit (which neither the US nor Russia nor China provide) is what I would advocate. Pakistan, Turkey, Malaysia (or Central Asian countries or if they could fix this nonsense against Iran) could also provide an industrial base, but a nation like South Africa which would openly share its secrets and talent (and not simply sell stuff) would be helpful in giving it a good boost. Arabs have been outsourcing everything from arms manufacturing to architecture since Late Antiquity – I see no reason for them to stop now.

That would require them to recognize that the world has changed such that having offensive capability is just not in their interest. Who are they realistically going to fight in an offensive war other than themselves – Israel? Yeah, right! Then they can tone down pumping so much into offensive capability like bombers and expensive air-superiority items and stick to just really, really good arms that are on a defensive posture (shoot down fighter jets, sink ships, etc.). I would say they could achieve good deterrence capabilities on half their current budgets easily. I remember the war over the Falklands/Malvinas – I think just a few Exocets almost carried the day – until Thatcher strong armed the French into halting any more deliveries (another reason to have a partner ship of equals in the relationship – it just wasn’t worth it for the French to fight about it). As I said, I can’t think of a single nation that wants to send its men into a pumped-up jihad meat grinder into even a dirt poor country like Yemen.

Peace.

They only need the capability to deny the enemy combined arms operations over their airspace.

He…he….and the only way to deny the enemy combined arms operations is….well….own capability to execute combined arms operations.
Catch 22.

All they should’ve done so far (Syrians) is to develop a brigade level GROUND attack capability across the SAA.
Just coordination between own artillery, armor and (mechanized) infantry. Russians would’ve integrated their air support in 5 minutes.

I mean…having RUSSIAN air support, technology, advisers and specialist…fighting against militias…on own terrain…for own country….and can’t win.
Arabs…..