In the NYT, Allison Stranger, the Middlebury professor sent to the hospital, throws a NYT-acceptable level of shade at the SPLC for describing Charles Murray as a ‘white nationalist’.

My daughter just graduated with a math major and a physics minor. Does this mean she won’t be rich enough to support me in the style to which I would like to become accustomed?

Sign me up!

I thought it was interesting they didn’t go after NumbersUSA.

The group has also embraced thinkers expelled from more polite conservative circles. Last year, CIS began publishing the works of Jason Richwine, a right-wing analyst who was forced to resign from the Heritage Foundation after it discovered that in his Ph.D. dissertation he had advocated banning Hispanic immigrants because their IQs were lower than those of whites.

I.e., he stated a fact; a bad thing to do in Ph.D. dissertations, I suppose.

They’re coming for CIS precisely because CIS cares about being thought of as “respectable conservatives”. A soft target in other words.

You won’t see The New Republic taking on real extremists head-on. Like arranging a public debate with Mark Steyn or John Derbyshire. Or coming here to iSteve and mixing it up with us in the comments section. (What a bloodbath that would be!)

The relation between Soros, the SPLC, the ACLU & the ADL would be worth seeing. Very likely there is flow of personnel & $$ between all 4. And the usual media circle jerk. The most chilling thing is that Holder’s Justice Dept was leaning on the ADL & SPLC for a time to offer input to lists of domestic “Hate group” threats.

No doubt the above groups have sway at twitter & facebook in terms of criteria for bans & overall surveillance.

If I got a PowerBall jackpot I’d start a foundation and provide people like Jason Richwine with a regular stipend.

Er, ahem, how about people like…cough, cough…

WRT to rape & other crimes, what is most concerning is how the SPLC led the LIBmedia charge to stigmatize reporting & awareness of immigrant related crime data. Ann C makes this very clear in Adios America – it is made intentionally difficult to ascertain whether criminals are illegal aliens, immigrants, or citizens. You have to dig & dig cause the media doesn’t want you to know.
Something fundamental changed in civic life from 1992-2015, with LIB crimethink doctrines drummed into every level of government, schools, media & the bureaucracy. The SPLC contributed to this greatly. Even some neocons used the SPLC’s “hate group” tag to lend weight to their early attacks on immigration restrictionists in the 1997-2004 frame.
Basically the SPLC are dripping with hatred for historic America. They are EVIL.

If I got a PowerBall jackpot I’d start a foundation and provide people like Jason Richwine with a regular stipend. What happened to him is a disgrace, especially his treatment by the Heritage Foundation. I wonder if anyone at Heritage is ashamed by the fact that in terminating Richwine they validated the left’s condemnation of him. Totally cucked.

I attended a talk given by Richwine last year. He was in good spirits and seemed like a fine person.

The SPLC is ripe to be Gawkered. Those are some awfully deep pockets.

I think the “Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect” would be a money maker, but unfortunately that name is taken.

Join the club. I’ve got a math background and have not managed to figure out how to be rich, either.

Anon:

And lest we forget, Bernie Madoff had fleeced a lot more than $300 million from this same group.

I fondly recall NPR reporting the closing of many of this group’s activist agencies being forced into bankruptcy by Bernie & Sons.

Did someone say rape?

Below is a very short excerpt from a few days in November 2013:

• Bundez, Jose, Juan (11/12/2013): Felony Sex Offense — Parental Role

• Aguilar-Sandoval, Jersson: Felony First Degree Sexual Offense; Felony First Degree Rape; Felony First Degree Kidnapping

• Aguilar, Rafael (11/04/2013): Felony Indecent Liberties With Child

• Aguilar, Rigoberto, Castellano (11/04/2013): Felony First Degree Rape; Felony Indecent Liberties With Child; Felony Stat Rape/Sex Offn Def 4-6yr; Felony Indecent Liberties With Child 13

• Yxchajchal-Lacam, Jose, Daniel (11/12/2013): Felony Stat Rape/Sex Offn Def 4-6yr

• Manzano, Gustavo, Adolfo (11/20/2013): Felony Indecent Liberties With Child; Felony Rape of a Child

• Monje, Alcides, Aguilar (11/18/2013): Felony Stat Rape/Sex Offn Def over 6yr; Felony Indecent Liberties With Child 13

Where is (((Owen))) to tell us more about the sanctity of mestizoid traditons, anyhow?

I was hoping putting moderate Muslims on lists with KKK members would knock the SPLC down a notch, but these institutions won’t destroy themselves. They’re gaining ground in the Trump era with the media and Silicon Valley’s full dedication to propping them up. The Trump administration doesn’t get the full extent of it and they don’t have the time to, they need to bring in people exclusively to fix the culture. Jeff Sessions is a 70 year old from Alabama focused on busting potheads.

Steve, This another example of why your semi-pollyanna stance on the SPLC is too charitable. They have been villifying immigration restrictionists since 1997 & the myriad ills of open borders can partly attributed to their role in Lib Narrative yarns. Next time there is another murder or rape by an immigrant/alien perp, recall how 20 yrs of SPLC propagandizing have contributed to the strangling of common sense restrictions, & stymied politicians, journalists supporting these reforms.

Negative campaigning works.

I would recommend a steady drumbeat of media regarding the legitimacy of SPLC. Like this. But a lot more.

They are guilty of fake news, reporting hoaxes, and bias.

There is enough pseudo investigative journalism that someone could produce clickbait on this.

On the other hand, I wouldn’t want to mess with them. They do have money and lawyers and nothing to do but hector people.

“… expelled from more polite conservative circles.”

Could any charge carry less weight than this?

I’d be shocked if its reputation were no better than Salon’s.

It’s reputation has taken a nosedive. It’s not well regarded even on lefty Twitter.

The author is probably horrified that Richwine is still marginally employed.

ICE let go the DREAMer in Mississippi, not a good sign. Shows that immigration enforcement is influenced by activism & media agitation.

Still Trump’s aggressiveness in signaling tough enforcement & stepping up interior enforcement is paying off, to the horror of the NYT.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/us/trump-immigration-border.html

In interviews with migrants, their advocates, and workers at shelters and soup kitchens in Mexico, the United States and Central America, few quibbled with the idea that President Trump had altered the climate for immigration.

Indeed, it was clear that the ground had shifted on both sides of the border, and that the well-traveled route north to a better life had suddenly grown quieter, riskier and more desperate.

Since January, occupancy at one shelter in Nuevo Laredo, across the border from Laredo, Tex., has fallen by about two-thirds, according to its director, Aarón Méndez Ruiz. Other shelters in the United States and Mexico reported significant drops as well.

Six Central Americans staying at Mr. Méndez’s shelter voluntarily surrendered to the Mexican authorities so they could be sent back home, he said, and about 40 more chose to return on their own.

“That had never happened,” Mr. Méndez said. “People don’t return.”

How come the SPLC has this monopoly on deciding what is “hate”?

And shouldn’t profitable “charities” be taxed?

The SPLC, as much a force for dishonesty and mischief as it is, shouldn’t be encroached upon by the state. God knows where that would end.

But what the state can do, under Trump, is produce real, countervailing data. Data that shows the true extent to which immigration, for example, is a problem. There are very few things Trump can do that are more critical than gathering and publishing accurate and relevant data on matters pertaining to policy.

Stephen J. Gould was once the go-to-man on genetics. He got away with so much BS because he was the official expert.

I must say though.. maybe Dees deserves a bit more respect. Here’s a gentile who fleeced $300 million from Jews. OK, he did it by bashing whites, but by now, it is a pretty much shtick.

What matters is he found a way to fleece them the big time.

We should set up an organization to frighten rich Jews too.

Suppose 10 of us get together. Five of us run an organization called
Spotting Hate In Today’s Society. And the other five go around spray-painting ‘KKK’ and swastikas all over. Our organization makes a lot of noise about the spread of hate and ask for donations from ‘progressives’. We’ll hit $100 million in a few yrs.

Well maybe the left has finally given us a definition of “alternative facts”. Since what Richwine wrote about IQ isn’t false, then alternative facts means inadmissible truth

Creative application of the RICO Act could be handy, as I believe others have noted.

If I had Soros’ money, I’d underwrite a scorched-earth barrage of civil actions for defamation. You could bankrupt the bastards in a couple years this way without one case even going to trial.

I’m pretty good at math. I had a number of math oriented jobs and I taught math at several colleges. And I’m pretty comfortable but I’m very damn far from being a billionaire.

So maybe if my math had been a bit fuzzier I would be as rich as Trump?

Other reports are unclear if Bharara is among those requested to resign.

If his resignation now has been requested, it may be that Sessions wants someone he considers more reliable on immigration should litigation begin between the DoJ and New York City over the city’s sanctuary policies.

If they’re peddling lies, surely it shouldn’t be hard to point out a few to demonstrate the problem….

Request appears pro forma. The article, like most ankle-biting media today, is speculative, e.g. “suggesting something might have changed”–or not!

The reporting on the Trump administration is all trees and no forest. Every little detail–minutia, and trivia alike–is microscopically examined for significance, and then when there is nothing of substance, speculation is offered. Democratic operatives with by-lines, is all.

The New Republic lost most of the prestige and credibility it had during the period where Chris Hughes owned it. My impression was even among National Review types it was no longer considered any more serious than Salon and that most of what they posted online was clickbait. This article would make it seem not much has changed in the last year.

working to legitimize the immigration crackdown.

Uh, wasn’t the legitimisation caused by the American public choosing a president who ran on the campaign promise to do that? And in what sense can enforcing the laws of the land require additional “legitimacy”?

These people are truly fortunate that Trump and his staff are not the kind of people they’re accused of being..

Agree completely. Krikorian has long been cited in mainstream sources, and appears on NPR. His prominence has nothing to do with Trump. I don’t run and hide from edgier immigration arguments–and read VDARE from time to time. But CIS doesn’t make them. Main problem is that they can seem wonkish and boring, but in the current climate that’s a good thing.

I don’t think TNR would have published anything so obviously false under past editors, but maybe I’m misleading myself.

“Evidence is for the far right who has to prove our religion’s creed’s wrong.”

For the record, CIS and its executive editor, Mark Krikorian, are as respectable as they come. The New Republic should at least link to a few objectionable pieces published by CIS. While they are at it they might tar Mickey Kaus.

Steve,

The New Republic article ends up by stating that “when anti-immigration screeds cooked up by the CIS ……..play a far greater role in shaping public policy”.

If only it were so!

OT: Trump just asked for our pal Preet’s resignation

>Trump had previously asked the Obama-appointed U.S. attorney in Manhattan, Preet Bharara, to stay on.

>However, as NBC adds, Preet Bharara is one of the Attorneys asked to resigns, suggesting that something may have changed in the amicable realtionship between Trump and Bharara in the past few months.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-10/jeff-sessions-asks-all-remaining-obama-appointed-attorneys-resign

Hope he gets something in return from wall street for this move.

Is there some legal method in which the state can dismantle or at least undermine organizations like the SPLC? Sessions should look into it.

OT: “Where microaggressions really come from: A sociological account”

Jonathan Haidt comments on a paper (by Bradley Campbell and Jason Manning), which attributes the rise of microaggressions to an emerging culture of victimhood and contrasts it to cultures of honor and cultures of dignity.

http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/

The paper’s URL: http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com/content/journals/10.1163/15691330-12341332

I’m curious about what a HBD explanation of this phenomenon would be.

They certainly seemed very emotional at the Nuremberg rallies.

And Obama’s German rally

Henry should approach the SPLC to fund a makeover for himself. They need a scary figure to get donations with, while he is just a professionally isolated academic with highly unfashionable views and stroke related disabilities. I’m sure the SPLC would love HH to be so much more.

I’ve run into this kind of thinking before. Several years ago I heard of a local academic in Halifax, NS, Canada who’d proved that negroid brains were in some way different from ‘white’ brains. I think it was on the basis of size. Of course the Liberals went mad until I pointed out that different is not better or worse. A person’s value in society is dictated by the fact that he is a human being and citizen. Science cannot make value judgements, better or worse, etc. That is our job (or God’s if you will). Science can say bigger or smaller, not better or worse. I suspect it was a lot of racist nonsense, but I never saw any peer reviews or commentaries about the assertion. There are of course no shortage of pseudo-scientist who claim to be able to prove racial”inferiority”, but without success.

They certainly seemed very emotional at the Nuremberg rallies. Listening to Hitler’s speeches, he seems to be anything but calm and unemotional.

Sorry about that I meant to post it on Steve’s blog.

Thank you for the reference to La Griffe whose work, and geniality, I have enjoyed for many years. I don’t remember having read the linked piece before.

A natural follow up to consideration of Ashkenazi IQs by the threshold method would be to try out the method on Brahmins educated in the US or UK, Parsees ditto, Yankee Episcopalians who have remained so and married their kund, whether believing in God or not, for foyr generations, titled Germans etc.

OT: Kevin Drum asks why gains in test scores disappear at high school, says nothing about how heritability of IQ increases with age:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/why-do-high-schools-erase-all-test-score-gains-past-40-years

[…] Jayman marvels that the very mild (and sweetly liberal!) Henry Harpending has been targeted by the SPLC. […]

Thank you Jay Man, I am pleased and flattered to have your attention. But…. that is Jay Man with cruise control on.

While you did pick the one of my explicit and implicit questions which arose directly from something already on this thread you didn’t actually answer my question about the meaning (and implications) of such statements. Or were you being kind to my naiveté in supposing it *could* mean that, if you blocked the expression of that 5 per cent of IQ related genes, you would expect that to knock 5 per cent off the subject’s IQ. Your answer was almost consistent with its meaning that we only know of 5 per cent of the estimated 2000 genes which give us our cognitive capacity but it surely doesn’t mean that. (Or maybe it does because people whom one would hope know better make some pretty slipshod statistical and numeric statements).

May I take the opportunity to raise another matter which you might care to comment on or elaborate That is the curious way in which the normal curve seems to be assumed to apply to large groups of people who cannot be sensibly regarded as single populations to whom one set of Gaussian parameters apply. I was really intrigued about 10 or 12 years ago when the great John McCarthy seemed to be ignoring the reality. You must have noticed this tendency and I would be interested to know if you have formed any systematic view as to when it matters. The issue is obviously not new. It clearly predates the Ivy League Dating Service. (And think what Jews must have done for the average Polish IQ before WW2!).

Does it affect the calculation of regression to the mean or estimates of heritability? That could be important. Even the sds??? After all the popular tabloid science journalism version would just say that the average IQ of Americans (or white Americans: the point remains the same in principle) was 100 and SD 15 and make calculations which would suggest that they had never heard of Cyril Burt’s undoubtedly good work which included finding a big bulge on the right side of the distribution at about the 170 mark amongst English school children. (Greg Clark’s work goes a long way to explaining that as do all those family photographs circa 1860s to 1914 of the Midland – or Yorkshire or Lowland Scots – successful businessman and most of his 13 children. They mostly didn’t marry milkmaids and waitresses).

To digress a little… When I look back over 160+ years of my immigrant forebears, all entrepreneurs when newly arrived, and their descendants, it is actually quite intriguing to have discovered only recently that my most successful great-grandfather, whom legend had it was the illegitimate son of a Duke and a governess, and who probably has had no descendants with IQs under 1.3 times SD above average, seems to have been the son of an illiterate farm worker and his first cousin! Any generalisations clearly deserve to be viewed sceptically and cautiously – like family legends.

Jayman,

End of XVI century, Poland. Decent democracy, tolerant to the extent that When Italian papal envoy tries to incite a pogrom, he creates a shitstorm so large taht he then asks pope to revoke him for duty because he is universally hated. People from outside marvel how safe are the roads. Italians supposedly tell each other that they should not boast how many people they killed, because it’s seen as a wrong thing in Poland.

Just 50 years later. Polish brethren are expelled, there is rising support to remove “Warsaw Confederation” articles from king’s oath (basically, a legal guarantee of freedom of religion). Democracy basically collapses, when each parliament is destroyed by corrupt envoys. Roads are full of bandits, there are basically numerous civil wars going on.

100 years later – Poland is totally defunct country. Intolerancy is rampant. Last protestant envoy is removed from the parliament (because he was corrupted and proven to be financed by outer powers, but so were a lot of other envoys).

First half of 19th century – romanticism, idealisation of sacrifice, Poland as “messiah of nations”.

Second half: positivism, Poles should just work as hard as Germans, and instead of fitghting in uprisings, they should strive to make “a better butter than German, better bread than German, have more clean house”.

I could go on and on. The changes to the culture are too big to be thought of as just a function of biological characteristics of Polish population. I do not deny there is a biologic factor to the culture and maybe some a population is limited in a choice of possible cultures it can create, or number of culture within it it can strive; but I argue than you cannot argue from the opposite, e.g. take a culture and argue everything within it comes from the biological characteristics of population (my favourite example is of course communism, where HBD chick and you argue there had to be something within Polish nation explaining why we have communism. Somehow, the fact that we were invaded from the east, communism was imposed by force and after tens of thousands of victims was jsut waved off with reaction I personally took as “yeah, but it’s not interesting. let’s talk about Poland being outside Hajnal line and that’s why communism was in Poland.”)

Likely he’s got Swedish, Finnish and other European ancestors within a recent timeframe as Finland-Swedes are a very cosmopolitan group. For hundreds of years Swedish was the administrative language of Finland as well as trade language in towns, and for Finns changing language from Finnish to Swedish and assimilating into the Swedish-speaking population was essential for social mobility, while for Swedish speakers there was no advantage in switching to Finnish. The end result would be a Swedish speaking population with very significant Finnish ancestry, as well as some Scottish, German and so on from foreign traders who settled in towns, and a Finnish speaking population with very little Swedish ancestry, especially further away from coastal regions.

This has happened elsewhere in larger scale and is, for example, the reason why many Turks have ancestry from Armenia and the Balkans but the indigenous Armenians and Balkanites have very little Turkish ancestry despite having been under Turkish rule for a long time – those who mixed with the ruling Turks started speaking Turkish and assimilated.

This reply to Jay Man seems to have got misplaced so I’ll try to find a workaround.

You will no doubt agree that there is often a problem of interpretation when people quote percentages (right down to making one wonder whether the reduction of say 5 per cent means 20 per cent becomes 15 per cent or 18 per cent…). I find it a bit difficult to be sure I understand all the implications of such statements as that heredity explains 60 per cents of the variance in IQ – let alone remembering what the difference is if it is narrow sense heredity or broad. Any elucidation so that I would be prepared with answers to a range of “so that means that, if etc…” questions would be greatly welcomed. But, in the immediate context, what I am seeking is elaboration of the implications of “100 genes explain [only] 5 per cent of IQ”.
Does that mean that, if you blocked the expression of those 100 genes what would have been an IQ of 100 would be an IQ of 95 and that 160 would become 152? or what?

“Our [African] employees were so adamant to show me the truth that they pooled their money so they could take me to the local witch doctor, who would turn me into a frog. ‘ ”

I think I saw that guy in the Budweiser beer commercials a number of years ago. As I recall, he was really funny. I think his name was Larry, but I may be confusing him with one of the chameleons. The one important life lesson I got from those commercials was “never send a ferret to do a weasel’s job.”

I think I read many years ago (can’t recall where or when) that Morris Dees was Jewish, but I didn’t give much thought to the issue. Here is what Wikipedia says:

“Morris Seligman Dees, Jr. (born December 16, 1936) is the co-founder and chief trial counsel for the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), and a former market engineer for book publishing.[3] Along with his law partner, Joseph J. Levin Jr., Dees founded the SPLC in 1971,[4] the start of a legal career dedicated to suing organizations in discrimination cases. . . Dees was born in 1936 in Shorter, Alabama, the son of Annie Ruth (Frazer) and Morris Seligman Dees, Sr., tenant cotton farmers.[3][5] His family was Baptist.[6] His father was named “Morris Seligman” after a Jewish friend of Dees’ grandfather.[7] After graduating magna cum laude from the University of Alabama School of Law in 1960, he returned to Montgomery, Alabama and opened a law office. ”

So, technically he is not Jewish, but based on this sketchy outline of facts, it appears that he has had a close association with Jews over the years, to the extent that his first two names derive, through his father, from the name of a Jewish friend of his grandfather. But if what Haxo Angmark says is true, then Dees is a mere figurehead of SPLC, and the organization is actually controlled by Jews. In any event, I agree that SPLC is an organization that lives off shakedowns, sort of like Jesse Jackson’s organization.

“Culture does not exist as an entity divorced from biology.”

That is totally wrong – what does Newton’s laws of motion have to do with biology – that is a cultural achievement.

Biology says that tribalism is the natural way to live and organize ourselves. Extending personal freedom to your neighbor regardless of tribe is an cultural intellectual thing that goes counter our biological instincts.

In your thinking you cannot divorce biology from chemistry, and chemistry from atoms. There are atoms, modules, and biology, and culture — they are all different things at distinct different levels of natural organization. They must be thought of as different things, as different intellectual subjects – PERIOD.

Yes, it’s interesting how many eminent “Finns” have been Swedish or descended from Swedes.
Even Nevanlinna I think was from a Swedish descended family who changed their name to sound more Finnish.

57%? What’s your source? My data tells me Germany is 70% with light eyes, Poland above 72+%. The light hair, OTOH, you may be right, as only 56+% according to my data has light hair. Still, the physical type is quite similar (as long as you are willing to say Austria, England, Germany and Sweden share similar physical type – as I think you will agree that percentage of Austrians with light hair and eyes is much smaller than in Poland).

As for the stereotypes, well, they do change. Note i am not trying to argue that in early 19th century Germans actually were lazy, slow-witted and so on; only that they appear so to the British. I do not think the genetic composition of Germans changed that much within a century. Therefore, the changes to our current stereotypes simply had to be cultural. The answer to HBDchick question “where the culture comes from?” is “quite often it comes from the outside”. Not every aspect of the culture is effect of biological characteristics of the population.

Why do you describe Finland as “Anglo-Germanic”?

Finland was under Swedish rule for nearly 700 years, and even when it was transferred to Russian control Swedish remained the sole official language of Finland for the next 50 years. Swedish is still a co-official language in Finland, and Swedish-Finns have played a hugely outsized role in all aspects of Finnish life: politics, the military, industry, trade, art, architecture, literature, science, music, and on and on, arguably even more so than Finnish-Finns have. And Finland since independence, especially since 1945, has aligned itself ever more closely with the rest of Scandinavia, so much so that it has at least partially subsumed its sovereignty to the Nordic Council, along with Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Iceland.

Percentage of light hair and light eyes in Poland is as high or even higher than in Germany

Not quite. The percentage of people with light hair or light eyes in Germany is 68%, and in Poland it’s 57%.

So the Germans are “indolent,” they “never hurry,” they’re “not distinguished by enterprise or activity,” they’re “unable to cooperate with each other,” their infrastructure is of “poor quality,” and they’re “dishonest” and “overly emotional.”

LOL, talk about an inversion of stereotypes!

You’ve said enough here, I think. No more comments on this where you just restate your case.

Sorry man. The reason I restated my case is because my initial reply to you (comment #101) just disappeared when I tried to post it. So I re-posted it in a much abbreviated form (#110) and figured that was the end of it. Then my initial reply miraculously showed up here a day and a half after I posted it.

I’m not trying to harangue you about it. I just think that the uniqueness of Northwest European civilization is an important topic, as is a proper definition of what exactly constitutes it and what doesn’t. But that’s a discussion for another day.

Why do you describe Finland as “Anglo-Germanic”?

Out of curiosity, what were some of the hobbies you observed among Africans?

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/pause/

So there is a anthropological difference between northwestern Europe and Southern; sure. But then, there is no such difference between Eastern Europe and Northern (at least, if you are claiming Ireland, England, Sweden and German all share common features; because all of those countries have different anthropological types). Percentage of light hair and light eyes in Poland is as high or even higher than in Germany, and while pure “nordic” type is rare, so is in Germany.

Next, look at the regional variation of GDP:

Suddenly you have Germanic-speaking regions which are poorer and more similar to French, Spanish or southern Italian regions (in terms of GDP). I bet you could produce similar maps depicting life quality etc.
Moreover, here are some of the opinions about Germans from early XIX Germany, quoted after some Korean scientific paper about economy:

QUOTE STARTS HERE

“Before their economic
take-off in the mid-19th century, the Germans were typically described by
the British as “a dull and heavy people”9 “Indolence” was a word that was
frequently associated with the Germanic nature.10 Mary Shelley, the author
of Frankenstein, wrote in exasperation after a particularly frustrating
altercation with her German coach-driver; “the Germans never hurry”.11 It
wasn’t just the British. A French manufacturer who employed German
workers complained that they “work as and when they please”.12
The British considered the Germans also to be slow-witted.
According to one John Russell, a travel-writer of the 1820s, the Germans
were a “plodding, easily contented people … endowed neither with great
acuteness of perception nor quickness of feeling”. In particular, according to
Russell, they were not open to new ideas; “it is long before [a German] can
be brought to comprehend the bearings of what is new to him, and it is
difficult to rouse him to ardour in its pursuit.”. 13 No wonder that they were
“not distinguished by enterprise or activity”, as another mid-19th century
British traveller remarked.14

Germans were also deemed to be too individualistic and unable to
cooperate with each other. The Germans’ inability to cooperate was, in the
view of the British, most strongly manifested in the poor quality and
maintenance of their public infrastructure, which was so bad that John
McPherson, a Viceroy of India (and therefore quite used to treacherous road
conditions), wrote, “I found the roads so bad in Germany that I directed my
course to Italy”.
British travellers in the early 19th century also found the Germans
dishonest – “the tradesman and the shopkeeper take advantage of you
wherever they can, and to the smallest imaginable amount rather than not
take advantage of you at all … This knavery is universal”

(NOTE by szopen: In Polish, “oszwabić” comes from a derogatory term “szwab” used for a German and means “to cheat someone”).

observed Sir
Arthur Brooke Faulkner, a physician serving in the British army.17
Finally, the British thought the Germans to be overly emotional.
Today many British seem to think that Germans have an almost genetic
emotional deficiency. Yet talking about excessive German emotion, Sir
Arthur observed that “some will laugh all sorrows away and others will
always indulge in melancholy”.

Henry,
You broke your cherry!

Thanks.

IQ is very stable after the age of 7 or so, & is actually quite stable by age 4 or 5 for people with extreme scores. IQ test batteries have well established reliabilities listed right in their manuals – you can look them up! psych’s one contribution to science (besides for testing) is we can quantify uncertainty very accurately!

if one’s IQ is at the 98th %ile of 5 year, 3 month olds, they’ll be at about the 98th %ile when age 29 (compared t0 a rigorously representative sample of 29 year olds). the reason IQ is a little less stable at the younger ages is simply b/c they cannot do as much yet, so we don’t measure them quite as precisely.

The high reliability (& stability!) of 1:1 administered IQ type batteries is well known among psychometricians (!) an overly generic term, e.g., you get licensed as a psychologist in your state, not as a psychometrician. in the old movie “stand & deliver” the SAT guys refer to themselves as “just a couple of psychometricians from new jersey.” if your psych PhD concentrated on stats & measurement, you might call yourself a “psychometrician” but you would get licensed in your state as a “psychologist.”

““The reason the Industrial Revolution happened in 1800, rather than the year one thousand, or zero, which it could have, the Romans certainly could have done it, is that a new kind of human evolved in northern Europe, and probably northern Asia.”

I would guess that the Renaissance, Enlightenment, and Industrial Revolution were knock-on effects of the Black Death. Yersinia pestis, the cause, helped reset Europe back to it’s Greco-Roman heyday by culling a substantial percentage of the barbarians-at-the-gates that undermined the abilities that made Greece and Rome great civilizations. The interplay of higher testosterone, aggressiveness, lower cerebral control and intelligence, and higher reproductive rates on civilization were reversed when the depressive effects of higher testosterone on the male immune system met Y. pestis in 14th century Europe.

The takeaway: at a high enough percentage of representation, those who can’t create an advanced civilization will undermine one that already exists and removing that influence will allow an advanced civilization to rise again. The new kind of human was basically a replay of an old kind.

Insofar as genetic effects are g-loaded, the genetic confound would tend to INCREASE the apparent correlation of these variables with g.

Also see

http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1001826

There are likely many sources of domain-general ability in humans, and the g factor in one population represents a mix of these different sources. Thus, a highly general effect on a component of g that is not represented strongly in the general population could easily appear to not be g-loaded. I think that is going on with the studies above. I also think that is what is going on with (some of) the educational and Flynn effect gains. A corollary of this hypothesis, though, is that g has more environmental admixture in populations with poorer environmental quality, which entails that MCV between g and genetic variables will be weaker and between g and environmental variables stronger. To my knowledge this prediction has not been confirmed –– in fact, the available data tends to disconfirm it (if memory serves). I suspect an effect, though, and I am presently re-analyzing some Army test data from 1918, which might produce some relevant results.

Are IQ tests more or less predictive at age 5 or at age 11? What is the reason/value behind giving IQ tests to a range of child ages as opposed to one set age?

My impression is that Richard Lynn ranks as one of the most prominent psychometricians of the last fifty years

That tells us more of psychometricians than it does of Lynn.

My impression is that Richard Lynn ranks as one of the most prominent psychometricians of the last fifty years, and I noted that the vast majority of the IQ studies he cites include children younger than 13, which would be odd if he and his colleagues regarded such results as of doubtful validity. Furthermore, we must ask ourselves why the trained psychometricians who conducted the hundreds of such worldwide studies catalogued in his various books would have wasted their time and money producing such invalid data, and the same is true for most of the IQ studies I’ve seen elsewhere.

Psychometrician, no. Psychometrics is a mathematically centered field dealing with issues of measurement. Lynn has not, to my knowledge, made contributions to that field.

Psychologists who studies group, particularly racial, differences, yes, he is the last of the three grand old men (Jensen and Rushton being the other two).

Lynn’s style is a broad stokes style (see the interview of Lynn by Nyborg). His focus is on the big picture. His books contains loads of errors, many of which has been pointed out on the internet. With errors corrected, the big picture remains the same however. For some more even-handed dealing with the errors, read the works by Jason Malloy. Malloy have done a series of high quality reviews of IQ and achievement scores by country. Malloy’s style is clearly that of a perfectionists. The problem is that Malloy is such a slow worker that his reviews cover only a small fraction of nations.

Generally, when using IQs, I use the LV12 ones with the corrections made by Malloy. Hopefully, more people will start doing these high quality reviews for countries, so that we can obtain more reliable measurements.

I agree that parasite reduction is an unlikely explanation for the observed (or apparent) rise in Irish IQ scores.

That being said, the Rockefeller effort to rid the country of swamp parasites extended to outhouse management, and the discovery that cesspools needed to be 4 feet away from human contact:

As Despommier tells it, in the early part of the 20th century, millionaire John D. Rockefeller set out to profit from southern industry, but was stymied by the lack of productivity from an unenergetic workforce. Rockefeller funded studies that discovered the cause: a microscopic hookworm which could travel up to 4 feet in soil from a site of defecation.

http://endtheneglect.org/2012/01/how-the-outhouse-helped-save-the-south-and-what-it-can-do-for-the-worlds-bottom-billion/

Ah yes, if one is to better exploit the working masses, then one will have to find a way around all that laziness. The invisible hand strikes again.

I’m more familiar with the removal of European wetlands than the evolution of outhouse management over the same time, but when it comes to Flynn effect in rural areas, the latter is also worth looking into, though again, the effect was probably much larger in Southern Europe and the American South in the earlier decades of the last century, then it would have been in Ireland or the Northern Slavic countries.

That is mighty white supremacist of you to say all that wisdom.

The hypothesis I raised in my 2013 paper and follow-up columns were that rural life, especially in the pre-electronic era, produced the sort of “cultural deprivation” that artificially depressed IQ scores.

Makes sense. The low-IQ Slavic immigrants were most likely products of centuries of serfdom, a situation not unlike that of Mexican peasants (and presumably Irish ones). Indeed Jensen found similarities between Mexicans and these types of Europeans, with respect to IQ.

Well if some idiot Roman hadn’t murdered Archimedes imagine Roman engineering with calculus. He was working at the fringes and could have finished 2000 years ahead of Newton and Leibniz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

Ironically David Ruenzel, a SPLC member from Oakland was killed in December 2014 by the ones he wanted to protect. http://clashdaily.com/2014/12/oops-man-made-living-excusing-black-crime-gets-murdered-two-black-thugs/

“you don’t need to be a genius to be . . . a mechanic”

But it helps to be smart. At least, I prefer those diagnosing my car’s problems to be smart. Saves return trips.

From that list, I count 15 countries which have IQ scores from both adults and children (12 have only one data set, and 5 are only of children). Of the 15, ten show higher IQ scores for adults compared to children (Den, Czech, Bulg, W.Germ., Gre., Irel., Pol., Port., Sp., and Sweden) and five show higher IQ scores for children compared to adults (Belg., Fin., Fr., Italy, and Switz.).

So you’re basically saying that we should throw out nearly all our existing national IQ datasets, past and present, as invalid.

Maybe, maybe not. I’m no expert, and don’t claim to be, but it is strange to group 5 year olds with 11 year olds. It seems more valid to wait for full brain maturation to occur before testing its ability, or at least test people of the same age- that’s what PISA does. The 11+ was given at age 11, not 5. We don’t do this in athletic ability- that’s why we have adult and U-x leagues. Maybe children are smarter than adults. Maybe they’re better soccer players too, and no one has noticed this yet. Personally, I don’t think book burning is a good idea, but precision is important, especially with such a sensitive topic.

Why did you get all defensive for asking a simple question?

I read them later but I didn’t think my question was out of order.

Thanks for the links in previous and this post.

“…regarding the American-born children of Italian, Greek, Slavic, and other European immigrant groups, [the eradication of hookworm and various other low-level infections] doesn’t seem likely…I strongly believe the main cause behind the very low IQ scores was “cultural” rather than “physical” deprivation.”

That’s a fair point, but given how long those swamps had been around, I maintain that the local culture was also likely to have been impacted by those low-level infections, in inelastic ways, and therefore, there is more to consider than just the direct physical effects. Culture develops differently in a society where a significant portion of the collective blood supply ends up inside some parasite’s gut. People do not expect anyone to mach schnell, like they do up north. They do not expect anyone will arrive for an appointment on time, or make an effort, etc. They even speak more slowly. And voilà, IQ scores are depressed. Of course, warmer temperatures are responsible for some of that sloth, and that has to be separated out. But once that casual attitude works itself into the culture, those habits will not instantaneously revert once the parasites go away or someone crosses the Atlantic. There may well be a more gradual shift.

Admittedly that’s a lot of supposition, but I think it’s worth considering. Perhaps in the future that can be tested by comparing Flynn effect of African (or Chinese or Indian) rural immigrants from both highland and lowland altitudes, assuming that the latter areas are generally more malarial and full of parasites.

Anyway, if Mussolini had lived a few decades earlier, he might have found it much more difficult to get those proverbial trains to run on time, given that there were considerably more swamps back then.

My comment was about an anecdotal observation that I found interesting. It would be nice to have more data, in this case informative anecdotes even. I have no particular attachment to this particular “hypothesis”.

Many of the “hbd crew” that I know have little or no interest in the politics of the matters. Human biological diversity is interesting enough without its hangers-on ever vigilant for symptoms of incorrect thought. (BTW I am not slamming you with this remark.)

There could easily have been an industrial revolution in Roman times. Take a look at this set of Roman water wheels in Syria at

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCNKLy_Diz8cCFQeWiAod0sIHLA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdepositphotos.com%2F3557876%2Fstock-photo-aqueduct-with-water-wheel-in.html&ei=G2ziVZKSD4esogTShZ_gAg&psig=AFQjCNFidSGp0C2Y4xSTqbxzApx9K-0WnA&ust=1440988436271936

BTW they have been maintained and repaired by the Syrian government. They almost certainly are not the original wood.