Assassin's Creed Origins |OT| Stalking in Memphis
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It's not like the previous games anymore and is a lot more technical now. The onus is on you to figure out a strategy to best deal with each combat encounter. It's a lot. More like dark souls in that sense now, like nullpointer said, positioning is key and will often dictate the outcome of each encounter.
I posted this earlier in the thread but it's well worth watching this if you are a beginner with his style of combat:
Understanding how to effectively use each type of weapon is important.
Septers and the heavy blades sweeping heavy attack are also useful in these scenarios if you want to take a more head on approach.
So you're critical of the RPG elements because they aren't deep enough but then you want level scaling? Pardon me, but I'm struggling to see how that makes any sense.
I posted this earlier in the thread but it's well worth watching this if you are a beginner with his style of combat:
Understanding how to effectively use each type of weapon is important.
Septers and the heavy blades sweeping heavy attack are also useful in these scenarios if you want to take a more head on approach.
So you're critical of the RPG elements because they aren't deep enough but then you want level scaling? Pardon me, but I'm struggling to see how that makes any sense.
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I don't want enemy scaling (at all) but the current implementation doesn't make sense either. You can get one-shotted by bandits, the same type of bandits you killed ten minutes prior. Level recommendations are very strict, two or more levels higher and combat encounters turn in a frustrating slog, yet the enemies you fight remain the same. Compared to e.g. the Gothic games there are no systems in place which can help you beat those higher level enemies. Loot progression is incremental and tied to your level. The only way to beat those higher level enemies is either to be very patient and chop away at their bloated amounts of health or level up yourself doing other activities and then return. None of which is satisfying.
As you can see this system is inherently tied to the awful loot system. So yeah I'm not too hot on Origins' gameplay mechanics.
As you can see this system is inherently tied to the awful loot system. So yeah I'm not too hot on Origins' gameplay mechanics.
Feel the same. I'm considering the DLC because a) the gameworld doesn't cease to impress me b) the gameplay mechanics are all rewarding and fun.
Regarding gameplay, it all comes together in a way i didn't expect from an AC game. Archery is the biggest surprise on how good it feels, it has impact and i can pull off headshots from my horse or bang down a mounting enemy from far away. The combat is really fun and remains challenging troughout. Every weapon has unique ranges, animation startup, the hit boxes are precise with satisfactory soundeffects, shield gameplay is cool with possibility to parry, dodging has no invincibility like in souls so you have actually to pay attention on how you dodge, skilltree opens neat new moves that are actually meaningful in combat, fireballs, toxic arrows etc... bottom line the combat in this game is IMO very good and diverse after you get the hang of it especially when you realize that lock on is superfluos.
This solid gameplay foundation (traversal, stealth i will discuss another time) leads to interesting possibilities where they could go in this DLC, referring especially to the “Curse of the Pharao“ one. Battles against monsters or undeath mummies in a sinister and athmospheric dungeon type pyramid for example would be damn good.
Love the shit out of this game, didn't expect this at all.
Regarding gameplay, it all comes together in a way i didn't expect from an AC game. Archery is the biggest surprise on how good it feels, it has impact and i can pull off headshots from my horse or bang down a mounting enemy from far away. The combat is really fun and remains challenging troughout. Every weapon has unique ranges, animation startup, the hit boxes are precise with satisfactory soundeffects, shield gameplay is cool with possibility to parry, dodging has no invincibility like in souls so you have actually to pay attention on how you dodge, skilltree opens neat new moves that are actually meaningful in combat, fireballs, toxic arrows etc... bottom line the combat in this game is IMO very good and diverse after you get the hang of it especially when you realize that lock on is superfluos.
This solid gameplay foundation (traversal, stealth i will discuss another time) leads to interesting possibilities where they could go in this DLC, referring especially to the “Curse of the Pharao“ one. Battles against monsters or undeath mummies in a sinister and athmospheric dungeon type pyramid for example would be damn good.
Love the shit out of this game, didn't expect this at all.
Leveling up is an archaic and outdated mechanic in general. I can't think of a modern game, let alone one in the action/adventure/open-world genre, in which XP-based "progression" adds to the experience instead of detracting from it. Certainly ACO's closest rivals, The Witcher III and Horizon Zero Dawn, are both hampered by it (add so too is the GotY, Nier Automata).
Leveling is fine as a means to acquire e.g. skill or attribute points but they should not be the main factor to determine health and damage output. Levels should certainly not decide which enemies you can and cannot fight. You have a loot system in place for that.
I agree that it's badly implemented as well in The Witcher 3.
I agree that it's badly implemented as well in The Witcher 3.
Couldn't agree more. All of those games would have been much better imho if they ditched levels. Being continuously underleveled or overleveled sucks, as does stumbling upon side quests and having to stop yourself to check their level first. Or even worse, accidentally starting a quest 10+ levels above you and having no other option but to revert to a previous save to get out of it (happened to me a few times in the Witcher 3).
We have such huge and richly detailed worlds now, so I don't understand why so many series' are reverting to level scaling everything. If an enemy is tough, that should be apparent from more than just a number over their heads. And really, even with all the levels in the world encounters still come down to a few basic categories: Impossible, hard, even, easy and trivial, something that could exist perfectly fine without levels and all the extra systems you have to include to account for levels, like UI widgets to show whether your headshot will kill, upgrading systems for loot, auto-scaling systems and 'con' mechanics to determine whether that enemy over there is actually super impossible to beat compared to his identical clones with smaller numbers.
Even the loot game really comes down to item quality and perks, which could also be accomplished without strict levels.
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We have such huge and richly detailed worlds now, so I don't understand why so many series' are reverting to level scaling everything. If an enemy is tough, that should be apparent from more than just a number over their heads. And really, even with all the levels in the world encounters still come down to a few basic categories: Impossible, hard, even, easy and trivial, something that could exist perfectly fine without levels and all the extra systems you have to include to account for levels, like UI widgets to show whether your headshot will kill, upgrading systems for loot, auto-scaling systems and 'con' mechanics to determine whether that enemy over there is actually super impossible to beat compared to his identical clones with smaller numbers.
Even the loot game really comes down to item quality and perks, which could also be accomplished without strict levels.
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Yes use spear and you can hold R1 for clearing out large groups. The trick is also to target one enemy and learn how to quickly switch between them using R3.
I was very vocal on combat since the first reveal but can safely say its moved in better direction and I am loving it now. I think combat became very fluid due to them prioritizing input vs animation. I tried playing Unity and couldn't stand more than 15 minutes.
I was very vocal on combat since the first reveal but can safely say its moved in better direction and I am loving it now. I think combat became very fluid due to them prioritizing input vs animation. I tried playing Unity and couldn't stand more than 15 minutes.
10 hours in, I'm enjoying the game a lot even though I really suck at combat. I'm trying to be as stealthy as possible.
The open world is one of the best I've seen.
But I'm really annoyed that they removed the database. If an AC game needed one, it's Origins. I know the virtual tour thing is coming up, but I want that info while I'm playing right now.
I'm also annoyed that Ubisoft's answer to the critic that their open world games are checklists seems to be to remove the progress tracker and stats. They did the same thing in Watch Dogs 2.
The open world is one of the best I've seen.
But I'm really annoyed that they removed the database. If an AC game needed one, it's Origins. I know the virtual tour thing is coming up, but I want that info while I'm playing right now.
I'm also annoyed that Ubisoft's answer to the critic that their open world games are checklists seems to be to remove the progress tracker and stats. They did the same thing in Watch Dogs 2.
I agree it's basically what you sign up for and it's not a problem in itself for me. It's just that it becomes a slog when you stretch this gameplay loop for too long.
My advice is usually to not try and do everything right off the bat but sometimes that means you miss some of the more charming sidequests in terms of dialogue.
My advice is usually to not try and do everything right off the bat but sometimes that means you miss some of the more charming sidequests in terms of dialogue.
We're in agreement then because I actually hate any kind of scaling (both enemy and weapon). It's the first thing I mod out of Skyrim and Oblivion when I can. I'll probably check out Elex after I'm done with this as it sounds right up my alley. If it's an open world RPG game you should not be able to go anywhere and do anything from the moment you run out into the world as a scrub. You should either have to get better gear or have gained a reasonable amount of knowledge about your enemy's weaknesses before being able to take on higher level stuff. There's usually a great deal of satisfaction that goes with conquering higher level enemies in games like that.
The one huge criticism I would give about this AC game is the fact that they make it nigh on impossible to take out enemies at a higher level than you. I'm not saying you should be able to just run in guns blazing and still come out alive, that would be silly. But I think that if you have the right weapons (e.g. Everything should be vulnerable to sleeping darts but the amount of time you get should differ) or if you've taken the time to upgrade your hidden blade to max level you should be able to take out higher level stuff if you employ the correct strategy.
It's correct in that being overleveled means that you can burn through lower level enemies and one shot them (as it should be) but it's the underleveled mechanics that are whack in this game. If I break into a fort crawling with level 40 enemies and miraculously manage to sneak past them at level 20 then I should be rewarded with some sweet gear. But no, all you get is some shitty level 20 weapon. Why would you have some hulking level 40 guys guarding some level 20 gear? It makes no sense.
Have you unlocked that perk? It's to the bottom left of the skill tree.
Honestly, some of the side quests are better than the main quest in this game. There are some really elaborate ones that either give you a great insight into what the world was like at the time or they really flesh out Bayek's story. There are also a few I've stumbled across that have actually been humourous. It's the main quest that's nonsense IMO. I literally have no idea what's going on with the main quest half the time. Some of it gets really trippy.
The one huge criticism I would give about this AC game is the fact that they make it nigh on impossible to take out enemies at a higher level than you. I'm not saying you should be able to just run in guns blazing and still come out alive, that would be silly. But I think that if you have the right weapons (e.g. Everything should be vulnerable to sleeping darts but the amount of time you get should differ) or if you've taken the time to upgrade your hidden blade to max level you should be able to take out higher level stuff if you employ the correct strategy.
It's correct in that being overleveled means that you can burn through lower level enemies and one shot them (as it should be) but it's the underleveled mechanics that are whack in this game. If I break into a fort crawling with level 40 enemies and miraculously manage to sneak past them at level 20 then I should be rewarded with some sweet gear. But no, all you get is some shitty level 20 weapon. Why would you have some hulking level 40 guys guarding some level 20 gear? It makes no sense.
Have you unlocked that perk? It's to the bottom left of the skill tree.
Honestly, some of the side quests are better than the main quest in this game. There are some really elaborate ones that either give you a great insight into what the world was like at the time or they really flesh out Bayek's story. There are also a few I've stumbled across that have actually been humourous. It's the main quest that's nonsense IMO. I literally have no idea what's going on with the main quest half the time. Some of it gets really trippy.
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Certain weapons have an overpowered attack. Others instead give a damage boost. The ones I know of that give a damage boost are sickle swords, scepters, and I think the blunt weapons. Reason why I avoid those weapons.
Been using a cursed sword and it’s quite fun. Also helps keep fights more challenging even when you’re a bit overleveled. If the enemy isn’t dead already that is.
Been using a cursed sword and it’s quite fun. Also helps keep fights more challenging even when you’re a bit overleveled. If the enemy isn’t dead already that is.
