You forgot that we goyim are all motivated by jealousy, too!

Ya wanna hear something utterly depressing? I was talking to a young lady who’s been working on some degree in nursing and she said that they were required to take an “ethics” class. Guess what the big issue was? Yup, “The” Holycaust!!!!

Cheezus, the holycaust fanatics are everywhere. I mean everywhere and the layers of irony are piled on thick. You can bet your sore emerods that they weren’t discussing the “ethics” of making stuff like that up and brainwashing people with it 75 years after it was supposed to have occurred.

The holocaust conspiracy theorists just never give up. They are obsessed; nutzo! Good grief.

There’s blame to go around.
The post-war history of American labor is of a movement with one strategy and double-down, double-down, double-down, ’till it went broke.
There are two strategies labor needed to take and bears responsibility for failing at: 1) at about the time when it should have accepted that American laborers were getting a pretty good deal that could only be improved in the short-term by consuming the host, it should have shifted resources to bargain for the long-haul by moving for a German-style public corporate, corporate/labor model, namely where labor had a seat on the board, 2) rather than tunnel-vision resistance to free trade up to and until it simply lost in a total wash-out, it should have looked for alternative models to global trade, one of which has been on display : the British Commonwealth of Nations.
If in 1975 American labor threw its strength behind those two long-term goals we would have a much different world today – one with much more prosperity, better distributed, and with less identity politics.
On the right, well: the right seemed absolutely convinced that it could kill its opposition and nothing would replace it.
You can of course kill your loyal opposition for the incremental pennies on the dollar back that its worth to you – but usually when you kill the loyal opposition its replaced by the disloyal opposition.

When I go to places where American working class are still found – they still love America. Can’t say that for the left we have, which is the left that we have the Republican right to thank for.

Keep your eye on ebay, theres one for 1974 George Washington Carver Jr High School Yearbook – Los Angeles CA for $24.99

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-George-Washington-Carver-Jr-High-School-Yearbook-Original-Los-Angeles-CA/152521876258?hash=item2383032322:g:YVIAAOSw3ZRY~MFm

One for 1961 George Washington High School San Francisco, California for $50

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Surveyor-1961-George-Washington-High-School-Yearbook-San-Francisco-Califor/131464439669?hash=item1e9be42775:m:mWuqyPNz8sy5i6JMIUD00VQ

Not the one your’re looking for, but sooner or later I’m sure one will pop up, I’ve seen several over the years at garage sales and estate sales going all the way back to the 50′s. I’ll try and look out for one when I’m on Ebay.

Even if you did have the book, there would still be the crowd doubting you. Pretty much everyone I’ve ever talked to knows the official story is a lie.

Anyone with a brain can watch the videos and tell the buildings were blown up with demolition charges. The plane or no plane thing is just something to distract from that. I personally don’t think planes hit the Pentagon or crashed into the farm in Penn.

It really doesn’t matter until we get some people in charge of America that aren’t corrupt traitors, that actually care about the country, not just about the money or their political career, they have all the info. right now as we speak. They could release it tomorrow if they wanted. The fact that they haven’t tells me that who did it is still in charge of things, and we all know who is pulling the strings in DC. They openly brag about it routinely.

The energy beam weapon theories, no planes theories are put out there to poison the well, so the MSM can get on TV and say something like:
“The conspiracy theorist nutjobs believe 9/11 was an inside job and used Star Wars death star beams to blow up the WTC!”
This makes the whole thing look stupid to the brainwashed zombies, they put theories like these out there just for this purpose..
David Icke thinks Elites are lizard people, so he is clearly put out there to make people who doubt the official story look like loons too.
Same with the flat earth crowd, obviously.
James Corbett, Christopher Bollyn seem ok from what I’ve seen.

Am I alone in thinking that the on-line version may well be a true rendition of the original hard copy yearbook, and that the multi-layer confusion surrounding her appearance therein is one of the features that made the “Betty Ong” persona attractive to anyone who needed to create an identity?

That, after all is exactly what identity creators do. They scour birth/death records, school yearbooks, etc looking for a person who was really born, but who’s official life history goes murky/disappears, thus creating a tabula rasa on which to paint the new identity’s life history.

Maybe it was entered in the yearbook that way for some very trivial, as of yet unknown reason.

That’s a stretch, given that both Betty Ng and Betty Ong are in the yearbook and that the yearbook’s names would have been transcribed from the school’s official student roll.

Did the student roll contain two names for one person?
If it did:
Are there two transcripts? Are they the same, or different?
Did they participate in the same, or different extracurricular clubs, associations, etc?
Did that person get 2 graduation diplomas?

IOW, if Betty Ng is, in fact Betty Ong then things can get weird very quickly.

As for:

She look very similar to me, although I will freely admit that my judgment in this regard may be off.

… the latter half of the statement would appear to be much closer to the mark than the former. FWIW, I’ve been living in Asia for a decade, and to my eye they’re not even close. 8 or 9 years ago, I probably would’ve agreed with you.

It takes an idiot, like you, to recognize another fucking idiot, like sean.

Both of you are also pathetic liars and trolls.

Interesting that quote is what stood out to me as well. The Puritans could be some sadistic SOBs by what I understand of their history. Their treatment of their fellow “Christians” including Quakers was a bit creative and not exactly gentle.

Here’s someone commenting on their furious nuttiness.:

The Puritans are almost always portrayed as a peaceful and persecuted bunch, but they were a very revolutionary, seditious, and violent people.:

England was plunged into an environment of Puritan blood rage and unreasonable fundamentalism. In the words of Hume, “fanaticism had its own language, it was a new jargon invented by the fury and hypocrisy of the times.” The Puritans wanted “No king, no nobility,” and like every leftists or progressive, the Puritans wanted “universal equality.” To use the words of Hume, “it was, in short, necessary to fanaticize the people with notions of perfect equality, to assure the obedience of the masses, and gradually to form a coalition against the monarchy.”

http://shoebat.com/2014/11/03/puritans-just-violent-muslims/

Another source wrote this. (Sorry no link)

The Puritans wanted to be free to establish a “Christian” theocracy. (A perverted one complete with Indian extermination, communist principles, a police state…)

Regrettably, I have fallen into the habit of referring to the explosions as collapses even though I’ve known almost from the beginning that explosives caused the buildings to be destroyed. I shall take greater care to no longer do so.

What does it mean to “serve honorably” in an unjust war of aggression? The only “honorable” action is to refuse orders.

I know, I know….You are incapable of seeing Vietnam as anything but an honorable endeavor from the charitable US govt. lol.

SHAME ON YOU…”lack of meaning”
YOU and your ilk are responsible for perpetuating the “Vietnam Veteran” stereotype in which YOU paint all of us with a very broad brush. For your information, almost ALL of us Vietnam veterans came back with sound minds to an ungrateful country and quietly resumed our lives without incident or fanfare. The promised government jobs that were mandated into law for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized. YOU are of the same ilk as traitor “Hanoi” Jane Fonda who gave “aid and comfort” to the enemy while our POWS were (and are) still in captivity. Very few returning Vietnam veterans had problems…the stereotype that YOU claim…is totally false.
I notice that you have swallowed the standard “loss of Vietnam” lies hook line and sinker. Americans and South Vietnamese prevailed in every battle…bar none. In fact, TET 1968 was a decisive victory for the South s the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces were decimated. Of course, the American “mainstream media” claimed it was a victory for the communists.
For your information, the American Vietnam war was not a “civil-war” but was an INVASION by the North Vietnamese, who wanted control of the whole country. The INVASION was allowed to continue when American troops left and South Vietnamese troops were not resupplied.
YOU must have watched the Ken Burns’ “schlockumentary” on Vietnam, in which he built up the North Vietnamese while exacting harsh criticism (lies) on the American and South Vietnamese troops. Of course, to his credit, Burns “let it slip” that the “re-education camps” contrary to communist claims (actually prisons) would be in operation for approximately six months after the war was over–it turns out that many former South Vietnamese were “detained” for as long as twenty years.
Post-war Vietnam was so wonderful, tens of thousands of “boat people risked life and limb to escape that “communist paradise” [silence].

The purposes of America’s fake wars are not complex. Its the desire of adolescents to be war heroes, ie the American version of the medieval saint, plus a lot of cowboy excitement from shooting off lots of guns and missiles. Add in the vast amounts of money and prestige the military engenders in adolescent or pubescent American society, and you end up with a gigantic bureaucracy desperate with the need for war, and the ability to create as many wars as it wants via its ownership of the media and political system. What happens to the invaded and regime changed victim country is largely irrelevant, as by that time the American war machine, grossly obese like everything else in America, has moved on to its next theater of excitement and thrills.

I don’t know about you, but I worry more about the implications of China’s rise and Russian misbehavior than I do about Islamic terrorism.

”China has thoroughly studied the Western technique of getting out of crises via controllable armed conflicts and wars. It has written its own script for squeezing the United States off the world stage. The Western script becomes an episode in a larger game.”

Contents of the script:

- while remaining inactive and all but invisible, China retains and replenishes its resources;

- China supports actions of the West aimed at mutually assured destruction of Russia and the Muslim world;

- China supports bilateral conflicts in line with the Western script;

- China becomes ideologically active and active in the military sense when the moment is ripe;

- when the conflicts are over, China moves into the new territories…

The global conclusion is simple. This is the first time strategic interests of the West, Russia, Israel, and the Muslim world coincide. We can only survive together.

Painting the Poles as crypto-fascists is insulting and condescending.

Don’t say.

Being brothers in Christ in what is largely a Post-Christian Europe should transcend political boundaries.

Whoah…..
Orthodox and Catholic, together, in Eastern Europe.
Stunned.

Cold N. Holefield wrote reflectively:
“There’s no doubt J.R. is highly intelligent and incredibly thorough & comprehensive. I like how he even corrected my hyperbole to Keep it Honest. I respect that.”

Hi “Catcher,”

I like the way you think and how you exhibit signs of having “thick skin” with some people’s lack thereof.

Strong minds & personalities, it’s too bad Jon & Ron are currently reacting as acid & base on this very “unspeakable” 9/11 matter. *

Thanks, Cold N. Holefield!

*The late-Thomas Merton wrote about President JFK’s absolute need for having “thick skin,” due to ruthless pressures being brought to bear by what the Trappist monk deigned as “UNSPEAKABLE” (domestic) warmongering forces.

P.S.:
I like the song-lyric you featured but for the life of me, my foot tapped, but I can’t recall the title name & original artist. At first, I considered Dylan’s “The Mighty Quinn (the Eskimo).”

No plane hit the Pentagon, unless you believe in The Incredible Shrinking Plane, one that leaves a much smaller hole than its actual size when it crashes.

“They shall find it difficult, they who have taken authority as truth rather than truth as authority.”

Gerald Massey.

April showers bring May flowers.

If April showers bring May flowers, what do May flowers bring?

Have you considered putting a classified ad in a local paper or a listing on Craig’s List in the Bay Area offering a reward for a hard copy of the yearbook? I would think that $500 would flush one out, assuming one still exists.

I am an unashamed advocate of the draft to ameliorate the primary dynamic in question.

The best way to “ameliorate the primary dynamic in question” is to mandate that the arrogant DC nitwits read the foreign policy sections of George Washington’s Farewell Address first thing every day. Have C-SPAN televise the reading every day that Congress is in session.

Then maybe those militarist clowns will eventually put 2 and 2 together without the need to draft American citizens into militarized slavery.

I apologize for my earlier comment where I thought we were in agreement.
Oxford University? They couldn’t POSSIBLY be in on it, could they?? THEM, INSIDERS??
And that was quite a gem,
‘A nation state is not as sophisticated as a bunch of penguins.’
I’m beginning to think you are indeed yourself a penguin, and good for you.

If Jews direct our military forces for their nefarious ends these Jews must be incompetent halfwits. How did making Iraq an Iranian client benefit Israel? Did the Libyan failure benefit Israel? Is the Syrian/Russian/Iranian state a boon to Israel? Maybe Israel should try something else.

Colonel Bacevich is only playing the devil’s advocate, and, in a diplomatic manner, showing the contradictions between the “official” military agenda and the reality of today’s world.

If the US was ruled with the interests of its people and servicemen in mind, it would not be engaged in endless and unwinnable wars. But the NeoCons imperial elite don’t care, as they don’t have skin in the game, unlike the military (Colonel Bacevich lost his only son in Iraq).

The fate of an Empire is demise, because it is ruled by the few, who don’t care about reality, until this reality engulfs them.
Patriots try to stop such demise by the modest , realistic means available to them: enlightening people.

The fiction has to be contrived prior to the actual event taking place so that media can all parrot the same lines and how the BBC came to report the collapse of WTC7 prior to its actual collapse. This is also why media announces the names and pictures of the so called perpetrators long before any real investigation has commenced and, more importantly, to derail any inconvenient facts that might emerge prior to the entire media being corralled.

thanks tac,

we live in Abusurdistan

mea culpa sir

mea culpa

You reminded me of the 5 min video by James Corbett:

Nukes aren’t defensive weapons and couldn’t be used to stop an invasion. Israel could be invaded and taken down much more quickly than any of its neighbors. Only having a defender like the US has allowed Israel to survive this long.

I would encourage you not to despise the good will of citizens, even when it is irritating. I appreciate your service. I honor your sacrifice in Vietnam and millions of S. Vietnamese respect what you and your fellows did on their behalf. We generally assume that you served honorably, if not that is a matter for you to rest with your conscience.

I want to encourage you to embrace whatever blessings citizens can and are willing to bestow — even if in the main said bequeathed is obtuse and annoying. No one wants to insult vets, well few anymore and no one can immediately heal the wounds of an ungrateful and vastly misinformed citizenry on the issue of Vietnam. But I like to encourage you to let them try and embrace it the same —–

excuse or not my well intentioned comments. I tell me father repeatedly, “Appreciate your service” he too served in Vietnam and elsewhere.

so great a sacrifice none can repay . . .

I hope that French society has a sense of solidarity and won’t be taken apart by Schadenfreude like American society where worsening of somebody’s social position like that of unionized workers is always cheered by the rest of society. However in American rich are excluded form this treatment. They are always admired and everybody wishes them to become richer and richer.

Somebody did a job on Americans and the suckers do not have a clue.

‘Its possible at the centre of the huddle of south pole Emperor penguins is always the same bunch of free riders, and a secret organisation running the USA stays in power whatever happens.’

We seem to be in agreement. And though I certainly don’t claim to be absolutely sure, the latter part of the above statement can only conceivably be absolutely true–all evidence in daily life confirms it, if one pays attention, as certainly do the farcicle elections every year or so, as does common sense when you ask yourself, Do I have ANY political power, any whatsoever? What about my state? Or town for that matter? How can we all possibly be ever in lock step with master’s agenda, shit and puked out 24/7 right into our brains?

Frankly, the development of the Polish political system towards a totalitarian repressive regime doesn’t surprise me in the least.

The Poles are no more “totalitarian” and “repressive” than the Russians. They have an open society with free elections. They are nationalists fully aware of their history with Moscow. Painting the Poles as crypto-fascists is insulting and condescending. Floating that kind of bile only aggravates the relationship between the two countries/cultures.

I’m not saying that the Poles’ interpretation of current Russian foreign policy is accurate. But it’s up to the Poles and Russians to collectively work that out over time.

The MASSIVE impediment to a productive and peaceful rapprochement between Poland and Russia is the Global Cop Gorilla in Washington that loves to stir the pot of conflict for its own ego’s sake.

P.S. I’m thinking the catalyst for improved relations between Poland and Russia would be visible exchanges between the Polish Catholic Primate and the Russian Orthodox Patriarch. Being brothers in Christ in what is largely a Post-Christian Europe should transcend political boundaries.

Laughing . . . I get it.

Nice.
Agree, of course.
Didn’t want to go that path on this site. Tried a couple of times and, let’s say that the level of misunderstanding was staggering.
Getting phylosophical, or even deep into human very makeup, well, this isn’t the place.

…because war supposes the existence of some natures to wage it, and these natures cannot exist without peace of one kind or other.

I’ll say just one thing.
I had my own war. Apparently, it was really a very bad one, by everybody’s account.
I just know one thing: I never felt so alive then and there. Nothing compares. Nothing……
All elements of life itself were on the level I’ve never felt after that. The scent of air, intensity of sounds, taste of food and drinks, sleep, rest, comradeship, well…everything was 100 %. Nothing in civilian life compares. Nothing. Well, one thing only, actually.Won’t say what.
Crazy a?
Or….hehe…..poor civilians, “chattering class” in particular.

If we want to get analytical now, the same applies to groups. A couple of mates, together, in war. A small community…larger community…..etc….etc.
Anyway.

I’ve noticed you absent from Revusky’s last thread; probably a wise decision on your part. But your input would be interesting if you have any (no need to read the piece in its entirety or more than the first few comments).

Read some of the article, skimmed through some parts. Read some comments; got surprised by, say, “internal workings” of this site. Too much personal bullshit and politics if you ask me.
As for the topic itself, well, got that video about Pentagon plane, so here I am:
Before reading some stuff on this site (thank you guys, a couple only, of course) I thought one thing.
Now I am inclined to think otherwise.
Two things:
I buy, 70/30 that the buildings, all of three of them, did collapse due to a peculiar combination of how they were built with how and with what they were hit, plus the rest. So, no demolitions.
Second, Pentagon plane. That video, well….so, again, I believe that a plane (the plane) hit Pentagon.

Now, did the government know that hijacking was going to happen, I am sure some parts of the intelligence community/security apparatus did. Was it intentionally not prevented, don’t think so. I go with incompetence and organizational culture there.

That the event was manipulated and used for the Deep State goals, of course.
I am sure that as soon some of them knew what was happening they started calculating and acting.
Having said all this, I really don’t want to get into debate about that. I mean…done around zillion times already.

One more thing.
Mentioned my little war. So, can’t get emotionally involved into 9/11. What Americans see as a terrible thing re loss of life, limb and property, guys like me see “and…..?”.
I am widely known as Russia hater here. So.. this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

is, in my book, worse than 9/11.
Much worse.
And, to add insult to the injury, only this

2004

In September 2004, following bombing attacks on two aircraft and the downtown Moscow Metro, Chechen terrorists seized over 1,000 hostages at a school in Beslan, North Ossetia.

is on the Wikipedia site re “Terrorism in Russia”. Not even a fucking link.

It’s all about lies & propaganda for profit & power.

yes, because the only thing the cow-like goyim brain understands is raw power, and for the Jews to accomplish this, they have to use treachery and lies.

that’s why you must be made to feel guilty, so when the Senator who’s asked by Tucker Carlson, ‘why must we go to war in Syria’, and he answers ‘if you care about Israel…’

now if you didn’t kneejerk feel guilty about all the Jews you goyim gassed and your ovens, then would you feel the proper levels of guilt for what you did to them?!

No. You’d say ‘fuck Israel, what do I care?’

and so this is why they had to lie about it all, because of anti-Semites like you, who otherwise wouldn’t be willing to engage in endless wars for Israel! And wouldn’t give them endless billions and build endless Holocaust museums, to guilt-trip the next generations. How dumb do you have to be?!

It’s not rocket science man!

If you’d have simply allowed the world to destroy Germany, and then set about building Israel on her ashes, and then sent Israel all those billions it demanded and waged endless wars on her behalf, then they wouldn’t have even needed to go to all of that trouble to create the Holocaust narrative to enslave your minds and soul$.

Duh!

You are right. However, they probably would prefer to have an overland connection also that is not threatened by the U.S.

‘and she was crying and told my mom that see just saw a plane fly into the Pentagon. I was there when my mom took the call.’

And yet, with all the surveillance cameras, probably numbering in the hundreds, pointed right there, no video has been released by the Pentagon or FBI or CIA, for national security reasons. But there is one single linked video, easy to find, which shows an almost lightening-quick flash and what looks like a missile.
And of course, no seats, engines, dead bodies–ever see footage of a real airplane crash?

To satisfy your curiosity, it occurs to me that the Social Security Death Index might be something to check. It’s public record and you have two points to enter: her name and the date of death.

I’d think that if she’s real and she died on 9/11/2001, there would be a record for her.

Chuck Orloski,

There’s no doubt J.R. is highly intelligent and incredibly thorough & comprehensive. I like how he even corrected my hyperbole to Keep it Honest. I respect that.

I guess I was a bit taken aback because it appeared he was taking me the wrong way. I respect the work he’s done on this and his thinking on this. I wasn’t trying to attack him or impugn him in any way.

Terrific literary “screen name” pun, Cold N. Holefield! Thanks!

Thank you. Catcher In The Rye is an excellent book, and the fact that various Freaks like Mark David Chapman and John Hinckley were so drawn to it has always intrigued me. As well, the messaging in that book is Spot On. Everyone, or most everyone, is a Phoney. Or, It’s All Lies.

Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody’s looking for something

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

The “regime” — and a theocratic one — is in your beloved apartheid Jewish State. (“Israel does not have a written constitution,” “the Israeli government gives special preference to Judaism,” “Although Israel does not grant special privileges to any special Jewish group, many European Jews belong to higher social classes than Arabs and “Oriental” Jews”).
And who are these “we” in your mysterious “We made our positions clear” – the US ziocons?
The ziocons had attacked Russian interests in Ukraine (which borders with Russia) and arranged the NATO military bae there. The coup d’etat was to the detriments of the majority of Ukrainian people, including Ukrainian Jews that have been enjoying the triumph of banderism in Kiev and beyond since then. Nothing pleasures the Kagans’ clan more than a profitable cooperation with the followers of Bandera. “Lionized as a nationalist hero in Ukraine, Stepan Bandera was a Nazi sympathizer who left behind a horrific legacy,” https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/stepan-bandera-nationalist-euromaidan-right-sector/
The ziocons have been arming and providing with the logistics the “moderate” terrorists in the Middle East, where Russia has been defending her interests by the legitimate means, on the legitimate invitation from the legitimate Syrian government — unlike the ziocon coalition of the US/NATO + Israel + the oh-so-democratic Saudis + the CIA-trained head-choppers and liver eaters.
Russia is just another unfortunate country where the militant Jews wanted to get the upper hand for the expense of the natives. What your tribe has been commemorating for centuries during Purim? — A mass slaughter of the native population provoked by the obnoxious Jewish guests. And this is what gives joy to your tribe: “Happy is the one who seizes your [Persian, Russian, German...] infants and dashes them against the rocks.” Psalm 137:9

‘suddenly they are more perceptive and see through what is phony, in say, the Central African Republic compared to the States, simply because they watch less TV’

Not only do most people watch far less tv than Americans, but they are actually, many of them, INVADED BY … Americans (and Brits and French, the grand coalition in lock step). But tv brainwashes anyone it touches. Its extremely harmful effects have to be consciously unlearned, a sometimes painful process (finding out this or that cherished thing is there to do you harm, from sports teams and individuals to favorite tv shows and movies and music).

The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this…

Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, ( This well appointed Suite http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid3.htm according to the London Times): nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah…

Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes…

And hangover or not, they manage to give the world’s most sophisticated air defense system the slip…

Unfazed by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely…

Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two… and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically – through their own mass – at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground… only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI…

…Meanwhile down in Washington…

Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing…

Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little…

Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world’s most heavily defended building…

…all without a single shot being fired…. or ruining the nicely mowed lawn… and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video…

…Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania…

So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later…

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants… except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana…

…Further south in Florida…

President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class full of primary school children… shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger…

…In New York…

World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously…

While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the ‘New Pearl Harbor’ catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination…

And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports…

And If you don’t believe this, you are a conspiracy theorist.

you really should have put a warning atop that photo.

Okay, I didn’t see it happen live, but was in NY six months later and saw the still-smoldering crater. Indeed, I hereby confirm that the World Trade Center is no more. And big whoop. Who ever said otherwise?

looks the same, graduated at the same time, cannot be identified as a different person

My thoughts exactly. She look very similar to me, although I will freely admit that my judgment in this regard may be off. Maybe it wasn’t even a typo. Maybe it was entered in the yearbook that way for some very trivial, as of yet unknown reason. Maybe the different spelling is actually a conspiracy in itself. I don’t know what the answer is, and I don’t know that anyone has ever even looked into it.

I just find it amazing that other commenters here are suggesting that the idea that her name may have been spelled slightly differently in some old yearbook (for whatever reason) is ludicrous, crazy, outlandish nonsense that is completely outside the realm of possibility, while the simpler and more likely conclusion is that she never really existed, and is in reality part of a huge, highly elaborate, multilayered conspiracy involving dozens, possibly hundreds of people. All of the people in on the conspiracy are perfectly fine with being complicit in the murder of thousands of innocent Americans for unexplained reasons. Not a single one of these people ever comes forward. Ever.

Israel can exist without the USA. Nukes are a pretty good life insurance. How it would fare without US taxpayers’ money is another matter. You should bear in mind though that Jews rule the banks, the media, the entertainment, the justice, and the education in the whole Western world, not only in the US.

Good to have Ms. Johnston on this site. She has always been a great Counterpunch contributor.

Churchill of Marlborough was a snake. A remarkably talented snake, but still a snake.

Agreed. Treachery seemed to run in the Churchill family.

Pointless.

People as Ms. Johnston should be thinking about the paradigm.

In the current, this is what has been happening, is happening, and will be happening.
That’s the nature of it.

Thinking about meaning of life, nature of work, (re)distribution of goods and services and such is the only way to make any difference.

Otherwise, most of us will be serfs for the top 20 %, “managed” and, if necessary, “retired”.

That’s the most likely future, actually.
The mixture of new Ancient Egypt and Huxley’s “New World Order”. No slaves and order maintained, mostly, with a gloved hand.

Working class has been fucked over and nobody was paying attention. On the contrary, the rest liked it.
Now they are coming for the middle class, with gusto.

Pleasant dreams.

You laughably stated:

“The Jews suffered the world to walk into those “showers” in the last century. You’ll please forgive them if they prefer to say Never Again’ this time around.”

Problem is that Jews were not ‘holocausted’ as they allege. There was no ‘millions of Jews murdered’, there were no ‘gas chambers’. Absurdly impossible. Proof is utterly lacking.

It’s all about lies & propaganda for profit & power.

The facts are that the ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth?
Only lies require censorship.

The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

http://codoh.com

No name calling, level playing field debate here:

http://forum.codoh.com

Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

If they take out Russia, Russia will take out Israel so Israel will be a dead king. The Zionists should better reign in the neocons if they want there to be an Israel.

They’re not defending the country, that’s mind-boggling propaganda.

Indeed. The last Americans to die defending their country were the Confederate soldiers who died defending theirs. All others died for the US empire, including Union forces who died while making the South it’s first victim.

If the US and its suppletives take on Russia, Israel becomes fair game. So to take out Russia, neocons would have to sacrify Israel. That’s where the Khazars diverge from mainstream Zionism. What’s the use of being God’s “chosen people” if you don’t rule the world but then what’s the use of ruling the world if there is no Israel?
Zionist support of neocon agenda may well terminate their beloved creature’s existence in the ME so they should think twice before pushing their US vassal to attack Russia.

I would like every one of the the war criminals, from top to bottom, hanged.

“it is to encircle Iran and preventing it from linking up with China.”

Yet Iran is linking up with China, big time.

https://thediplomat.com/2016/11/iran-china-sign-military-cooperation-agreement/

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/iran-and-china-are-strengthening-their-military-ties

https://financialtribune.com/articles/economy-domestic-economy/69312/iran-china-h1-trade-up-31-to-18-billion

“If a group of whites publicly professed in-group preference and wanted to coalesce around identitarian issues, white sjw Stalinists would move quickly, primarily on social media, to stigmatize such a group.”

Yet, despite SJW machinations, those whites have the freedom to form their own in-group. It doesn’t mean they are free from outside pressure. Besides, any group is “stigmatized” by their ideological opponents, so that argument goes out the door.

“Especially if said group was more serious than Richard Spencer’s cavalcade of gay Nazi camp.”

Spencer’s group is indeed serious. See, you just stigmatized his merry band, yet they still remain steadfast in their desire to gain footing in their community.

“Because it is not bigotry for white people to make their own decisions about race and culture.”

“I will assume you’re being sincere: Apparently, you don’t follow trends.”

The trend is that the Coalition of the Fringes, Right and Left, write a narrative that normies find over-the-top.

“The societal mantra, especially for whites, is to accept enforced diversity without complaint or be doxxed, which will be followed by economic marginalization.”

A societal mantra as dictated by radical white liberals, not whites in general. In similar fashion, the Alt Right demands that whites accept “race realism”, lest they be labeled “race traitors” and summarily labeled as “enemies”.

Works both ways here.

It’s given that the US can’t fight a ground war in Syria and Iran, and it’s navy and air force are too exposed to modern weapons….

Wishful thinking.

US can fight those ground wars and the other side is more exposed to modern weapons.
Much more.

Indeed, it would cure the primary dynamic in question practically over-night.

except for the vultures who got rich with the war

when I read post 83, where he said ” I detest the right-wing virtual signaling of people saying to me and others: “Thank you for your service.”

I was tempted to suggest that some of them, may have wondered if he hadn’t ‘fragged’ an ambitious lieutenant or two, and wanted to thank him for the effort.

If a war is immoral, illegal, unconstitutional, ‘based on lies, conducted against civilians for the fun and profit of evil men and women, (as all of our recent wars have clearly been)

then there’s few things in this world that would bolster my disposition more than news that one or two particularly vile war pigs might catch a bit of their own medicine.

Well that’s what I hear from people there. Although, you are right that the perception and actual cause of the problem are not necessarily the same.

To Ptrick Lang:
“The neocons believe so strongly that America must lead the world and mankind forward that they accept the idea that the achievement of human progress justifies any means needed to advance that goal.”
This statement has thrown me for a loop. It raises a few questions, like:
What are the neocons?
Aren`t the neocons Zionists?
What are the Zionists?
The neocons/Zionists are for “the achievement of human progress”, now?
What is “human progress”?
If neocons are Zionists, how does “America must lead the world and mankind forward” play into this, shouldn`t it state Israel, instead?
Why is “America must lead the world and mankind forward” seemingly equated with “the achievement of human progress”?
Why wasn`t it explained that “the end justifies the means” is a fallacious concept, since, if used, “the means” BECOME “the end” (humans, after all, are creatures of habit, in other words, addicts)?
Thank you.

what bollocks.
The purpose of all wars is conquest..

That a few “volunteer” is hopefully a sign of decreasing stupidity.

What sane person would fight, kill or die for the political filth?

“So that a man’s right to publicly dress up as a fruity Roman soldier shall not perish from this Earth!”

If it weren’t for those darned Turks, it would be happening in Constantinople too!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-27/turkish-anti-riot-police-officers-disperse-lgbt-community/7545284

“So that the poz shall perish from the Earth!”

Peace.

We spent trillions in Iraq. You don’t spend trillions for oil.

No, the trillions weren’t spent (as in wasted) they were simply diverted from the public to the private sector.

Cold N. Holefield commented:
“The Wager part of it, for me at least, is non-essential. For you, yes, I realize, $10,000 is nothing to sneeze at and it’s also a matter of principle.”

Hi Cold N. Holefield,

Agreed, above, and thanks for writing such practical sense!

Ideally, Jon Revusky’s article was written for a principled purpose.

I trust J.R. did the work as a result of having made a choice between the forces of enlightenment & truth versus those of endarkenment & lies.

For me, on the bright side, the anecdotal Unz / Revusky “wager” proliferates comments, but I’d like to see both scholarly men “pool” what is now apparent about the Phantom of The Flight 11 Opera, Betty Ong.

P.S.:
Terrific literary “screen name” pun, Cold N. Holefield! Thanks!

Thanks

Fact: Zio-Washington is on a prolonged, blood-soaked, trillion-dollar killing spree.

multi-trillion dollar killing spree

What about Israel’s de facto ownership of the US Congress, Andrew?

Any thoughts about ‘patterns’ of ownership of American mass media, Mr. Bacevich?

Bacevich is a rank whore

an unctuous, gaping gash, undulating in yawning anticipation for copious and well-earned wampum.

He just got through saying that he read it in a book.

I had the chance to speak with many american veterans of the Vietnam war in the 70`s . There was the draft ot the time .

Many of them came back very sick , abuse of alcohol , drugs , postraumatic stress disorder , they committed genocides against civilians , they felt guilty , they ” fragged ” , they were demoralized , they felt their country had betrayed them …

Many of them told me that the worse was that after a time in Vietnam they did nor see the meaning of the war , some of them told me : well if those f…. gooks want to be communists , let them be communists , I do not understand them , who am I or my country to tell them what to do , after all if communism is a shitty system let them eat shit , and at the end if it is a good system we will copy them , but what the hell are we doing there ….

The war of Vietnam was a big defeat fot the USA in the peak of its power at the hands ot a little
backwarded country , a military defeat , a moral defeat , a human defeat , an economical defeat ( except for the vultures who got rich with the war )

If Bacevich ( nice Russian name tovarich , privet ) defends the draft , or the arab wars , he has not learned anything fron the Vietnam war , and I am affraid from none of the arab wars , habibi .

So what? What are you going to DO???? How are circumstances and conditions going to change?? How will the corrupted ship of state right itself?

One useful thing Americans could do with this information is to stop giving them what they wanted out of 911 to begin with. Stop supporting any wars and the next time something big or small happens and they say “and now we need to pass The Patriot Act 2.0″ .. or they need to ban guns, or anytime US citizens are asked to sacrifice their rights, security, blood or treasure as the result of a crisis we can all just say no.

And yet after the fake chemical gas attack this month nearly everyone is back at it again in the media telling us it was real. I’m assuming most Americans just believe it.

It’s possible to turn this around. Something like 75% of Americans no longer believed in the Warren Commission by the early 1990′s. And now according to a recent Rasmussen poll 51% of US citizens don’t believe the government’s story on 911.

This is a good development. Who can be most easily taken advantage of, the credulous or the skeptical? I for one am looking forward to a time when even the conservative Americans who voted for Bush no longer believe in 911 and realize that the justifications for almost every war in the 20th century, including WWI and WWII were all shams.

It’s not impossible. As Ron Unz himself pointed out that up until about 1949 the standard textbook assumption about the Civil War that most historians openly touted was that the Civil War had little or nothing to do with slavery but instead was to do with northern industrial interests.

But, look, the origin of the wager was that it was competely inconceivable to Ron Unz that the story would not check out.

From the snippets of the discussion that you published, it seems more likely that Ron Unz felt it was unlikely that Betty Ong was NOT in the GWHS yearbook, but that it would be interesting if it turned out she wasn’t. Hence the challenge to JR to prove this (limited) negative by reference to the cardboard-and-paper yearbook.

If it turns out – as JR suspects – that there may have been some hanky-panky with the digital pages (insertion of the name “Betty Ong”) that diverges from the paper version, the matter becomes even more interesting.

At 530 comments so far, reader interest appears to be considerable.

For additional research on this subject see MoA:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/the-media-war-on-truthful-reporting-and-legitimate-opinions-a-documentary.html#more

MoA also did a great write-up on this subject:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/the-media-war-on-truthful-reporting-and-legitimate-opinions-a-documentary.html#more

war – but then, sum up by blaming it on “The Joos.”

exactly!

if anything, the “Joos” are trying to stop all these wars!

who came out strongest against the wars on Iraq, and then Libya and then Syria, if not the ((NYT))?!

who has condemned the recent bombing of Syria, (over obvious lies about chemical attacks) if not Sheldon Adelson and bb Netanyahu!

I mean come on, right?

AIPAC has little to no influence in DC, but still that plucky little voice has been adamant that all of these wars are illegal, misguided and wrong.

The Kagan ‘cabal’ (as some anti-Semites refer to them) have been demanding investigations into the contrived putsch (Yatz is our guy’) in Ukraine, and all the lies about MH17!

The entire Jewish media, from CNN to all the rest have been exposing the lies about these wars like no other! Look how they railed at Clinton for her role in Libya!

But these tiresome anti-Semites will always look for an excuse for their own failures and failings, and it’s not like we haven’t seen this kind of scapegoat blaming before! When you’re having difficulties, there’s the temptation to always find some group to blame and spread blood libels, just as a certain mustached demagogue from history showed us all how it’s done.

It reminds me of those terrorists in Israel that never lose an opportunity to try to blame “The Joos” for all of their problems, so they attack Israel (on Passover!), and threaten to push her into the sea, demanding Hitlerian calls for genocide, like “The right of Return”!

They may as well be building gas chambers and ovens with talk like that, and what does the world do?!

they act all crybaby because a few terrorists got shot. Well what does these modern day Adolf Hitlers think the Jews are going to do when they demand The Right of Return / genocide?

The Jews suffered the world to walk into those “showers” in the last century. You’ll please forgive them if they prefer to say Never Again’ this time around.

From Palestinian terrorists, to neo-white supremacists like Ron Paul and PCR, pooh-poohing these wars, there’s always someone looking for a group to blame for their own mediocrity and incompetence.

I almost thought the other commenters had you with this “Betty Ng” (admittedly, facial recognition isn’t my strength), until I saw that. You’d think they’d at least bother to create different usernames for the different events!

Actor Gerard Depardieu, singer Charles Aznavour and former President Nicolas Sarkozy are among some 300 well-known French people urging national action to counter a “new anti-Semitism” that they blame on rising Islamic radicalism.
They signed a manifesto published Sunday in Le Parisien newspaper, joining politicians from the right and left, as well as Jewish, Muslim and Catholic leaders.
The statement urges prominent Muslims to denounce anti-Jewish and anti-Christian references in the Quran as outdated so “no believer can refer to a holy text to commit a crime.” It also calls for combating anti-Semitism “before it’s too late.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-bc-eu–france-anti-semitism-20180422-story.html

Audacity of these bastards!! Made possible by the Jews’s support to the anti Islam brouhaha and by the Jew creation of Islamophobia.

Patrick Cockburn is the same guy who claimed without any evidence that the Syrian government was behind this year and last year’s chemical attacks. Now he says beware of people who claim to know what’s going on in Syria. Sounds like he’s trying to rehabilitate himself.

“It matters not what the Palestinians do. They could be led by Gandhi and Mother Teresa but whatever they do, given their opposition to the Zionist enterprise, they are going to be marginalized and demonized.”

Israel’s George Washington David Ben Gurion – “It doesn’t matter what the goy (non Jews) think – it only matter what the Jews do.”

Ben Gurion already knew that they already effectively controlled the world via their effective control of England, United States, France and via the Rothchild’s and other Jew’s banking empire and their control of the mass media. They have been doing what they or anyone should ever try to do i.e, become masters of the world in order to be mankind’s blessing and light etc. for a long time. Strabo a Greek cartographer said he “found them in high places everywhere” in every country he traveled through. Cicero in 50 BC feared their power in Rome. Voltaire wrote that he wouldn’t be surprised ‘if these people will one day become deadly to the human race.” Ben Franklin and George Washington thought they were dangerous to the Republic. And here they are being revered venerated celebrated adored bootlicked brown nosed kowtow fawned funded and protected and groveled before – and justifiably feared because they never forget and never forgive – by not only the entire United States but also by the entire Christian West and all of it’s international allies.

Great post, just what I think.

I saw this in the brochure:

Refuge for the Jews..
Guard the flank of the Suez for the British..
Western capitalist power against the Arab Soviet back Socialists for the cold warriors..
Democracy in the Middle East for Americans..
Jesus is coming soon for the Evangelicals ..
Access to oil for the Investment bankers ..

Something in it for everyone, yay.

The attack on 911 was done by Israel and the deep state ziocons

Agreed on this only. Nothing else you said seems reasonable or even necessary. Stay away from Judy Wood. I suspect someone is paying her to be that obnoxious.

As a Vietnam War vet, I detest the right-wing virtual signaling of people saying to me and others: “Thank you for your service.”

How do they know what kind of service I rendered? Was it honorable or dishonorable? Did I perform my duties or just drink booze and chase the native women? Most of us serving did a little bit of all of the foregoing.

But methinks the Col. doesn’t understand Trump and his followers. The worldwide transition of values and forces will hasten immanent events that will rock the post-war foundations is ongoing, but not elevated up to the public consciousness yet. Stay tuned. April showers bring May flowers.

There, there, everyone knows that nothing “perfect” exists anywhere, not even a perfect vacuum in outer space where there is at least a molecule of something every cubic yard or so. So of course, the buildings did not fall in “perfect free fall.” There was some air resistance. “Free fall” is just a manner of speaking to say that they fell because they were demolished with a controlled demolition, that’ s all. And of course, it was not a “perfectly” controlled demolition either, but it did the job.

Thanks, if anyone wants a link:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ex-italian-president-intel-agencies-know-9-11-an-inside-job/7550

Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, Francesco Cossiga, has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy’s most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Cossiga was elected President of Italian Senate in July 1983 before being winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed – an honest politician – and led the country for seven years until April 1992.

Cossiga’s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio – a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s.

Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they coined “false flag operations,” terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

Cossiga’s revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

Cossiga’s new revelations appeared last week in Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

“[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe … now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part … in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.”

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley’s book as stating that “The mastermind of the attack must have been a “sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga’s assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals – he can’t be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.a

So you can’t just start going on saying that these people are repeating the story, therefore the story must be true, because that is precisely the proposition that is under dispute! Can’t you see that?

Why do you think I can’t see that? Of course I see it!!! The next logical question then becomes, is the entire story false or is some of it false, and if some of it’s false, which parts are false and which are true? That’s what I’m interested in, not your Wager.

If it doesn’t mean any more to you than the Wager, then why are you even bothering with it any longer? You’ve proven your point, and if you’re not curious beyond that, well, that’s your prerogative, but I’m still curious.

A False Flag 9/11 would require total mastery of US government, intelligence security, police, ….

This reflects such confused, warped thinking. Let’s try to unravel this a bit… Think about this question:

If a political faction did have total mastery over every power center in the country, why would they need to execute a False Flag psy-op in the first place?

I mean, just think about that a bit.

You see, there are various proven false flags in history, like the Mukden incident where the Japs had a “terrorist attack” on their own railway somewhere in Manchuria, I think. But the point of the false flag is that the faction that wants to get the country further into the situation in China, they execute the operation to make their case for the policy they want.

If the faction behind the false flag already had total mastery over every power center, then they just do WTF they want! They don’t need the false flag in the first place!

Aside from the proven false flags, like that one, there are almost certain false flags, like the sinking of the U.S.S. Maine in Havana Harbor. And so on…

But the reason for the false flag is that there is a political faction that wants whatever policy (typically some war of aggression that will be presented as not being a war of aggression) and to get that policy, they execute this psy-op to pave the way for the policy they want that would otherwise be politically impossible, typically because most people do not want that policy, they don’t want the wars etc….

So, the war party that executes the false flag does so precisely because they do not have total control.

Okay, that’s enough on your plate for now. The above is just like Deep Politics 101. Just think about it.

Speaking of that site, further examination yields oddities in sfgenealogy. Several people on that site are clearly misidentified or misspelled: Mark O’Neill has become Mark O’Niel, for instance. Lisa Look, who pays tribute to Betty Ong on the sign-in page, identifies herself as graduating in ’75 but is listed as graduating in ’76. So I don’t think other errors are unlikely.

You did make a plausible enough case to intrigue me enough to make me waste several hours of my life (which is probably about what you spent), I’ll give you that, but if that’s all …

Dude, the above site is something I just found in a search. It is a website related to the celebration of the 75th anniversary of that school. 1936-2011. It never crossed my mind that it was anything other than what it represents itself as, because it is beyond my comprehension that anybody would create such an elaborate hoax just for the pure heck of it!

Do you seriously think there is much possibility that that site is fraudulent?

Dude, chill. I’m not saying you made the website up. No, I don’t seriously think the site is fraudulent.

You’re making a leap yourself by claiming those responsible for the 75th anniversary site heralded Betty as a prominent alumnus based off of the news stories. You don’t know that. Maybe they did, or maybe they didn’t.

That is basically nonsense. Ron was just thinking out loud about how I could get my hands on a yearbook, that’s all. There was no requirement that I spend $500 to get one!

Are you for real? Do you really believe there was a formal bet and now it is you who can interpret what ever was written in emails between you and RU to your advantage? I still thought a bit (not much but a tiny bit) more about you thinking that perhaps you are interested in finding some facts about Betty Ong but it looks like you just want the money because RU happened to inadvertently utter the amount of $10k and actually you believe that you deserve it. What a chutzpah!

Ron Unz definitively should not pay you anything, though as I wrote earlier it would be nice if he hired a PI to investigate existence of Betty Ong. And definitively he should not engage in personal communication with you. Nobody should.

Russia is not irked by the resignation. Declarations indicate indifference toward the unrest.

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/moscow-reacts-to-resignation-of-armenian-prime-minister-sargsyan-61243

Sorry I engaged you. I forgot you are an idiot after all.

I’m not disputing the verity or specifics of the Wager. I’m genuinely interested in this and in getting to the bottom of it. The Wager part of it, for me at least, is non-essential. For you, yes, I realize, $10,000 is nothing to sneeze at and it’s also a matter of principle. I understand, but I have no dog in that fight.

The young quite like the prospect of being able to work, travel, study and live without restriction in a polity of half a billion people. How they live their lives and spend their time predisposes them to favour the EU.