The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used once per hour.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Current Commenter
says:

Leave a Reply -


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Commenters to FollowHide Excerpts
By Authors Filter?
Anatoly Karlin Andrei Martyanov Andrew Joyce Andrew Napolitano Audacious Epigone Boyd D. Cathey C.J. Hopkins Chanda Chisala Egor Kholmogorov Eric Margolis Forum Fred Reed Gilad Atzmon Godfree Roberts Guillaume Durocher Gustavo Arellano Ilana Mercer Israel Shamir James Kirkpatrick James Petras James Thompson JayMan John Derbyshire Jonathan Revusky Kevin Barrett Lance Welton Laurent Guyénot Linh Dinh Michael Hudson Mike Whitney Pat Buchanan Patrick Cockburn Paul Craig Roberts Paul Gottfried Paul Kersey Peter Frost Peter Lee Philip Giraldi Razib Khan Robert Weissberg Ron Paul Ron Unz Steve Sailer The Saker Tom Engelhardt A. Graham Adam Hochschild Aedon Cassiel Ahmet Öncü Alex Graham Alexander Cockburn Alexander Hart Alfred McCoy Alison Rose Levy Alison Weir Allegra Harpootlian Amr Abozeid Anand Gopal Andre Damon Andre Vltchek Andrew Cockburn Andrew Fraser Andrew J. Bacevich Andrew S. Fischer Andy Kroll Ann Jones Anonymous Anthony DiMaggio Ariel Dorfman Arlie Russell Hochschild Arno Develay Arnold Isaacs Artem Zagorodnov Astra Taylor AudaciousEpigone Austen Layard Aviva Chomsky Ayman Fadel Barbara Ehrenreich Barbara Garson Barbara Myers Barry Lando Barton Cockey Belle Chesler Ben Fountain Ben Freeman Beverly Gologorsky Bill Black Bill Moyers Bob Dreyfuss Bonnie Faulkner Book Brad Griffin Brenton Sanderson Brett Redmayne-Titley Brian Dew Carl Horowitz Catherine Crump Chalmers Johnson Charles Bausman Charles Goodhart Charles Wood Charlotteville Survivor Chase Madar Chris Hedges Chris Roberts Christian Appy Christopher DeGroot Chuck Spinney Coleen Rowley Colin Liddell Cooper Sterling Craig Murray Dahr Jamail Dan E. Phillips Dan Sanchez Daniel McAdams Danny Sjursen Dave Kranzler Dave Lindorff David Barsamian David Bromwich David Chibo David Gordon David Irving David Lorimer David Martin David North David Vine David Walsh David William Pear David Yorkshire Dean Baker Dennis Saffran Diana Johnstone Dilip Hiro Dirk Bezemer Donald Thoresen Eamonn Fingleton Ed Warner Edmund Connelly Eduardo Galeano Edward Curtin Ellen Cantarow Ellen Packer Ellison Lodge Eric Draitser Eric Zuesse Erik Edstrom Erika Eichelberger Erin L. Thompson Eugene Girin F. Roger Devlin Fadi Abu Shammalah Franklin Lamb Frida Berrigan Friedrich Zauner Gabriel Black Gary Corseri Gary North Gary Younge Gene Tuttle George Albert George Bogdanich George Szamuely Georgianne Nienaber Glenn Greenwald A. Beaujean Agnostic Alex B. Amnestic Arcane Asher Bb Bbartlog Ben G Birch Barlow Canton ChairmanK Chrisg Coffee Mug Darth Quixote David David B David Boxenhorn DavidB Diana Dkane DMI Dobeln Duende Dylan Ericlien Fly Gcochran Godless Grady Herrick Jake & Kara Jason Collins Jason Malloy Jason s Jeet Jemima Joel John Emerson John Quiggin JP Kele Kjmtchl Mark Martin Matoko Kusanagi Matt Matt McIntosh Michael Vassar Miko Ml Ole P-ter Piccolino Rosko Schizmatic Scorpius Suman TangoMan The Theresa Thorfinn Thrasymachus Wintz Greg Grandin Greg Johnson Gregoire Chamayou Gregory Conte Gregory Foster Gregory Hood Gregory Wilpert Guest Admin Hannah Appel Hans-Hermann Hoppe Harri Honkanen Henry Cockburn Hina Shamsi Howard Zinn Hubert Collins Hugh McInnish Hunter DeRensis Ian Fantom Ira Chernus Jack Kerwick Jack Krak Jack Rasmus Jack Ravenwood Jack Sen Jake Bowyer James Bovard James Carroll James Fulford James J. O'Meara Jane Lazarre Jared S. Baumeister Jared Taylor Jason C. Ditz Jason Kessler Jay Stanley Jean Marois Jeff J. Brown Jeffrey Blankfort Jeffrey St. Clair Jen Marlowe Jeremiah Goulka Jeremy Cooper Jesse Mossman JHR Writers Jim Daniel Jim Goad Jim Kavanagh JoAnn Wypijewski Joe Lauria Johannes Wahlstrom John W. Dower John Feffer John Fund John Harrison Sims John Pilger John Reid John Scales Avery John Siman John Stauber John Taylor John Titus John V. Walsh John Wear John Williams Jon Else Jonathan Alan King Jonathan Anomaly Jonathan Cook Jonathan Rooper Jonathan Schell Joseph Kishore Joseph Sobran Juan Cole Judith Coburn Julian Bradford Karel Van Wolferen Karen Greenberg Kees Van Der Pijl Kelley Vlahos Kerry Bolton Kersasp D. Shekhdar Kevin MacDonald Kevin Rothrock Kevin Zeese Kshama Sawant Laura Gottesdiener Laura Poitras Lawrence G. Proulx Leo Hohmann Linda Preston Logical Meme Lorraine Barlett M.G. Miles Mac Deford Maidhc O Cathail Malcolm Unwell Marcus Alethia Marcus Cicero Margaret Flowers Mark Danner Mark Engler Mark Perry Mark Weber Matt Parrott Mattea Kramer Matthew Harwood Matthew Richer Matthew Stevenson Max Blumenthal Max Denken Max North Max Parry Max West Maya Schenwar Michael Gould-Wartofsky Michael Hoffman Michael Schwartz Michael T. Klare Moon Landing Skeptic Murray Polner N. Joseph Potts Nan Levinson Naomi Oreskes Nate Terani Nathan Cofnas Nathan Doyle Ned Stark Nelson Rosit Nicholas Stix Nick Kollerstrom Nick Turse Nils Van Der Vegte Noam Chomsky NOI Research Group Nomi Prins Norman Finkelstein Patrick Cleburne Patrick Cloutier Patrick Martin Patrick McDermott Paul Cochrane Paul Engler Paul Mitchell Paul Nachman Paul Nehlen Pepe Escobar Peter Baggins Ph.D. Peter Bradley Peter Brimelow Peter Gemma Peter Van Buren Philip Weiss Pierre M. Sprey Pratap Chatterjee Publius Decius Mus Rajan Menon Ralph Nader Ramin Mazaheri Ramziya Zaripova Randy Shields Ray McGovern Rebecca Gordon Rebecca Solnit Rémi Tremblay Richard Hugus Richard Krushnic Richard Silverstein Rick Shenkman Rita Rozhkova Robert Baxter Robert Bonomo Robert Fisk Robert Hampton Robert Henderson Robert Lipsyte Robert Parry Robert Roth Robert S. Griffin Robert Scheer Robert Stevens Robert Trivers Robin Eastman Abaya Roger Dooghy Ronald N. Neff Rory Fanning Ryan Dawson Sam Francis Sam Husseini Sayed Hasan Sharmini Peries Sheldon Richman Spencer Davenport Spencer Quinn Stefan Karganovic Steffen A. Woll Stephanie Savell Stephen J. Rossi Stephen J. Sniegoski Steve Fraser Steven Yates Subhankar Banerjee Susan Southard Sydney Schanberg Tanya Golash-Boza Ted Rall Theodore A. Postol Thierry Meyssan Thomas A. Fudge Thomas Dalton Thomas Frank Thomas O. Meehan Tim Shorrock Tim Weiner Tobias Langdon Todd E. Pierce Todd Gitlin Todd Miller Tom Mysiewicz Tom Piatak Tom Suarez Tom Sunic Tracy Rosenberg Travis LeBlanc Trevor Lynch Virginia Dare Vladimir Brovkin Vladislav Krasnov Vox Day W. Patrick Lang Walter Block Washington Watcher Wayne Allensworth William Binney William DeBuys William Hartung William J. Astore Winslow T. Wheeler Ximena Ortiz Yan Shen Zhores Medvedev
Nothing found
By Topics/Categories Filter?
2016 Election Academia Alt Right American Media American Military American Pravda Anti-Semitism Blacks Censorship China Conspiracy Theories Crime Culture Culture/Society Donald Trump Economics Education Foreign Policy Genetics History Ideology Immigration IQ Iran Israel Israel Lobby Israel/Palestine Jews Miscellaneous Movies Neocons Obama Open Thread Political Correctness Politics Race Race/Ethnicity Russia Science Sports Syria Terrorism Ukraine United States World War II 100% Jussie Content 100% Jussie-free Content 2008 Election 2012 Election 2012 US Elections 2018 Election 2020 Election 23andMe 365 Black 365Black 9/11 A Farewell To Alms Aarab Barghouti Abigail Marsh Abortion Abraham Lincoln Acheivement Gap Achievement Gap Acting White Adam Schiff Adaptation Addiction ADL Admin Administration Admixture Adoptees Adoption Affective Empathy Affirmative Action Affordable Family Formation Afghanistan Africa African Americans African Genetics Africans Afrikaner Afrocentricism Age Age Of Malthusian Industrialism Agriculture AI AIDS Ainu AIPAC Air Force Aircraft Carriers Airlines Airports Al Jazeera Alain Soral Alan Clemmons Alan Dershowitz Alan Macfarlane Albion's Seed Alcohol Alcoholism Aldous Huxley Alexander Dugin Alexander Hamilton Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Alexei Kudrin Alexei Navalny Ali Dawabsheh Alt Left Alternate History Altruism Amazon Amazon.com America America First American Dream American Empire American History American Indians American Jews American Left American Legion American Nations American Nations American Presidents American Prisons American Renaissance American Revolution Amerindians Amish Amish Quotient Amnesty Amnesty International Amoral Familialism Amy Klobuchar Amygdala Anaconda Anatoly Karlin Ancestry Ancient DNA Ancient Genetics Ancient Near East Anders Breivik Andrei Nekrasov Andrew Jackson Andrew Sullivan Andrew Yang Angela Stent Anglo-Saxons Anglosphere Animal IQ Animal Rights Ann Coulter Anne Frank Annual Country Reports On Terrorism Anthropology Anti-Gentilism Anti-Vaccination Anti-white Animus Antifa Antiracism Antisocial Behavior Antiwar Movement Anwar Al-Awlaki Ap Apartheid Apollo's Ascent Appalachia Arab Christianity Arab Spring Arabs Archaeogenetics Archaeology Archaic DNA Archaic Humans Architecture Arctic Sea Ice Melting Argentina Arkham's Razor Armenia Army Art Arthur Jensen Arthur Lichte Artificial Intelligence Arts/Letters Aryans Aryeh Lightstone Ash Carter Ashkenazi Intelligence Ashkenazi Jews Asia Asian Americans Asian Quotas Asians Assassinations Assimilation Assortative Mating Atheism Atlanta Attractiveness Australia Australian Aboriginals Austria Autism Automation Avigdor Lieberman Ayodhhya Azerbaijan Babes And Hunks Babri Masjid Baby Gap Backlash Balanced Polymorphism Balkans Baltics Baltimore Riots Bangladesh Banjamin Netanyahu Banking Industry Banking System Banks Barack Obama Barbara Comstock Barbarians Baseball Baseball Statistics Bashar Al-Assad Basketball #BasketOfDeplorables Basque BBC BDS Movement Beauty Becky Becky Bashing Behavior Genetics Behavioral Economics Behavioral Genetics Belarus Belgium Belts Ben Cardin Ben Hodges Benedict Arnold Benjamin Cardin Benjamin Netanyahu Benny Gantz Berezovsky Bernard Henri-Levy Bernie Sanders Bernies Sanders #BernieSoWhite BICOM Big History BigPost Bilateral Relations Bilingual Education Bill 59 Bill Browder Bill Clinton Bill Kristol Bill Maher Bill Of Rights Billionaires Bioethics Biology Birmingham Bisexuality Bitcoin BJP Black Community Black Crime Black Friday Black History Black History Month Black Lives Matter Black Muslims Black People Black People Accreditation Black Run America Black Undertow #BlackJobsMatter #BlackLiesMurder Blade Runner Blank Slatism Blog Blogging Blogosphere Blood Libel Blue Eyes Bmi Boasian Anthropology boats-in-the-water bodybuilding Boeing Boers Bolshevik Revolution Bolshevik Russia Books Border Security Border Wall Borderlanders Boris Johnson Boycott Divest And Sanction Boycott Divestment And Sanctions Brahmans Brain Scans Brain Size Brain Structure Brazil Bret Stephens Brexit Brezhnev BRICs Brighter Brains Britain Brittany Watts Build The Wall Burakumin Burma Bush Bush Administration Business Byu California Californication Cambodia Camp Of The Saints Campus Rape Canada #Cancel2022WorldCupinQatar Cancer Candida Albicans Capitalism Cardiovascular Disease Carlos Slim Carly Fiorina Caroline Glick Carroll Quigley Cars Carter Page Catalonia Catfight Catholic Church Catholicism Caucasus Cavaliers Cecil Rhodes Central Asia Chanda Chisala Charles Darwin Charles Krauthammer Charles Murray Charles Percy Charles Schumer Charleston Shooting Charlie Hebdo Charlottesville Checheniest Chechen Of Them All Chechens Chechnya Cherlie Hebdo Chess Chetty Chicago Chicagoization Chicken Hut Children China/America China Vietnam Chinese Chinese Communist Party Chinese Economy Chinese Evolution Chinese History Chinese IQ Chinese Language Chinese People Chris Gown Christianity Christmas Christopher Steele Chuck Hagel Chuck Schumer CIA Cinema Circumcision Civil Liberties Civil Rights Civil War Civilization CJIA Clannishness Clans Clash Of Civilizations Class Clayton County Climate Climate Change Clinton Clintons Cliodynamics clusterfake Coal Coalition Coalition Of The Fringes Coast Guard Cochran And Harpending Coen Brothers Cognitive Elitism Cognitive Empathy Cognitive Psychology Cognitive Science Cold War Colin Kaepernick Colin Woodard Collapse Party College Admission College Football Colonialism Color Revolution Comic Books Communism Community Reinvestment Act Computers Confederacy Confederate Flag Congress Conquistador-American Consciousness Consequences Conservatism Conservative Movement Conservatives Constitution Constitutional Theory Controversial Book Convergence Core Article Cornel West Corruption Corruption Perception Index Cory Booker Counterpunch Cousin Marriage Cover Story Craig Murray Creationism CRIF Crimea Crimean Tatars Crimethink Crisis Crispr Crops crops-rotting-in-the-fields Cruise Missiles Crying Among The Farmland Ctrl-Left Cuba Cuckoldry Cuckservatism Cuckservative Cultural Anthropology Cultural Marxism Culture War Curfew Cut The Sh*t Guys Czech Republic DACA Daily Data Dump Dallas Shooting Damnatio Memoriae Dana Milbank Danny Danon Daren Acemoglu Dark Ages Darwinism Data Data Analysis Data Posts David Brog David Friedman David Frum David Hackett Fischer David Ignatius David Irving David Kramer David Lane David Lynch David Moser David Petraeus Davide Piffer De Ploribus Unum Death Of The West Death Penalty Debbie Wasserman-Schultz Debt Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire Deep South Deep State Degeneracy Democracy Democratic Party Demograhics Demographic Transition Demographics Demography Denisovans Denmark Dennis Ross Department Of Justice Deprivation Derek Harvey Detroit Development Developmental Noise Dick Cheney Dienekes Diet Dinesh D'Souza Diplomacy Discrimination Disease Disney Disparate Impact Dissent Dissidence Diversity Diversity Before Diversity Diversity Pokemon Points Dmitry Medvedev Dmitry Orlov DNA Dodecad Dogs Dollar Donme Don't Get Detroit-ed Dopamine Dostoevsky Down Syndrome Dreams From My Father Dresden Dress Codes Drone War Drones Drug Use Drugs Duke Duterte Dylan Roof Dynasty Dysgenic E. O. Wilson East Asia East Asian Exception East Asians Eastern Europe Ebola Ecology Economic Development Economic History Economic Sanctions Economic Theory Economy Ecuador Ed Miller Edmund Burke Edward Gibbon Edward Snowden Effective Altruism Effortpost Efraim Diveroli Egor Kholmogorov Egypt Election 2008 Election 2012 Election 2016 Election 2018 Election 2020 Elections Electric Cars Elie Wiesel Eliot Cohen Eliot Engel Elites Elizabeth Holmes Elizabeth Warren Elliot Abrams Elliot Rodger Elliott Abrams Elon Musk Emigration Emil Kirkegaard Emmanuel Macron Empathy Energy England Entertainment Environment Environmentalism Epistemology Erdogan Espionage Estonia Estrogen Ethics Ethics And Morals Ethiopia Ethnic Nepotism Ethnicity Ethnocentricty EU Eugenics Eurabia Eurasia Euro Europe European Genetics European Genomics European History European Population History European Right European Union Europeans Eurozone Evolution Evolutionary Biology Evolutionary Genetics Evolutionary Genomics Evolutionary Psychology Exercise Eye Color Eyes Ezra Cohen-Watnick Face Recognition Face Shape Facebook Faces Fake News fallout False Flag Attack Family Family Matters Family Systems Fantasy Far Abroad FARA Farmers Farming Fascism FBI FDD Fecundity Federal Reserve Female Homosexuality Female Sexual Response Feminism Feminists Ferguson Ferguson Shooting Fertility Fertility Fertility Rates Fethullah Gulen Feuds Fields Medals FIFA Film Finance Financial Bailout Financial Crisis Financial Debt Financial Times Finland Finn Baiting First Amendment First World War FISA Fitness Flash Mobs Flight From White Fluctuarius Argenteus Flynn Effect Food Football For Fun Forecasts Foreign Policy Foreign Service Fracking France Frankfurt School Franklin D. Roosevelt Frantz Fanon Franz Boas Freakonomics Fred Hiatt Free Speech Free Trade Free Will Freedom Of Speech Freedom French Canadians Friday Fluff Fried Chicken Frivolty Frontlash Funny Future Futurism Game Game Of Thrones Gandhi Gangs Gary Taubes Gay Germ Gay Marriage Gays/Lesbians Gaza Gemayel Clan Gen Z Gender Gender And Sexuality Gender Equality Gender Reassignment Gender Relations Gene-Culture Coevolution Genealogy General Intelligence General Social Survey Generational Gap Genes Genetic Diversity Genetic Engineering Genetic Load Genetic Pacification Genocide Genomics Gentrification Geography Geopolitics George Bush George Clooney George H. W. Bush George Patton George Soros George Tenet George W. Bush Georgia Germans Germany Gilad Atzmon Gina Haspel Gladwell Global Terrorism Index Global Warming Globalism Globalization God God Delusion Gold Golf Google Goths Government Government Debt Government Spending Government Surveillance Government Waste Graphs GRE Great Leap Forward Great Powers #GreatWhiteDefendantPrivilege Greece Green New Deal Greg Clark Greg Cochran Gregory Clark Gregory Cochran GRF Grooming Group Intelligence Group Selection GSS Guangzhou Guardian Guest Guilt Culture Gun Control Guns Guy Swan GWAS Gypsies H-1B H.R. McMaster H1-B Visas Haim Saban hair Hair Color Hair Lengthening Haiti Hajnal Line Half Sigma Halloween Hamilton: An American Musical HammerHate Hanzi Happening Happiness Harriet Tubman Harvard Harvey Weinstein Hasbara hate Hate Crimes Hate Facts Fraud Hoax Hate Hoaxes Hate Speech Hbd Hbd Chick Hbd Fallout Health Health And Medicine Health Care Healthcare Heart Disease Heart Health Hegira Height Height Privilege Helmuth Nyborg Help Henry Harpending Heredity Heritability Hexaco Hezbollah Hillary Clinton Himachal Pradesh Hindu Caste System Hispanic Crime Hispanics Hist kai Historical Genetics Historical Population Genetics History Of Science Hitler Hodgepodge Hollywood Holocaust Homicide Homicide Rate Homosexuality Houellebecq House Intelligence Committee Housing Howard Kohr Hox Hoxby Huawei Hubbert's Peak Huddled Masses Hug Thug Human Achievement Human Biodiversity human-capital Human Evolution Human Evolutionary Genetics Human Evolutionary Genomics Human Genetics Human Genome Human Genomics Human Rights Humor Hungary Hunt For The Great White Defendant Hunter-Gatherers Hunting Hurricane Katrina Hybridization Hypocrisy Hysteria I Love Italians I.Q. I.Q. Genomics #IBelieveInHavenMonahan Ibn Khaldun Ibo Ice People Ice T Iceland Ideas Identity Ideology And Worldview Idiocracy Igbo Ilhan Omar Illegal Immigration Ilyushin IMF Immigration immigration-policy-terminology Immigriping Imperialism Imran Awan Inbreeding Income Incompetence India India Genetics Indian Economy Indian Genetics Indian IQ Indians Individualism Indo-European Indo-Europeans Indonesia Inequality Infrastructure Intelligence Intelligent Design International International Affairs International Comparisons International Relations Internet Internet Research Agency Interracial Interracial Marriage Intersectionality Interviews Introgression Invade Invite In Hock Invade The World Invite The World Iosef Stalin Iosif Lazaridis Iosif Stalin Iq Iq And Wealth Iran Nuclear Agreement Iran Nuclear Program Iranian Nuclear Program Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program Iraq Iraq War Ireland IRGC Is It Good For The Jews? Is Love Colorblind ISIS ISIS. Terrorism Islam Islamic Jihad Islamic State Islamism Islamophobia Islamophobiaphobia Israel Defense Force Israel Separation Wall Israeli Occupation Israeli Settlements Israeli Spying IT Italy It's Okay To Be White Ivanka Jack Keane Jair Bolsonaro Jake Tapper Jamaica Jamal Khashoggi James B. Watson James Clapper James Comey James Jeffrey James Mattis James Watson James Wooley Jane Mayer Janet Yellen Japan Jared Diamond Jared Kushner Jared Taylor Jason Greenblatt Jason Malloy JASTA JCPOA ¡Jeb! Jeb Bush Jefferson County Jeffrey Goldberg Jennifer Rubin Jeremy Corbyn Jerrold Nadler Jerry Seinfeld Jesuits Jewish Genetics Jewish History Jewish Intellectuals JFK Assassination JFK Jr. Jill Stein Joe Biden Joe Cirincione Joe Lieberman John Allen John B. Watson John Bolton John Brennan John Derbyshire John Durant John F. Kennedy John Hawks John Hughes John Kasich John Kerry John McCain John McLaughlin John Mearsheimer John Tooby Jonah Goldberg Jonathan Freedland Jordan Peterson Joseph Tainter Journalism Judaism Judge George Daniels Judicial System Judith Harris Julian Assange Jussie Smollett Justice Kaboom Kalash Kamala On Her Knees Katz Kay Bailey Hutchison Keith Ellison Ken Livingstone Kenneth Marcus Kenneth Pomeranz Kennewick Man Kerry Killinger Kevin MacDonald Kevin Mitchell Kevin Williamson Khashoggi Kids Kim Jong Un Kin Selection Kinship Kkk KKKrazy Glue Of The Coalition Of The Fringes Knesset Kompromat Korea Korean War Kosovo Kremlin Clans Kris Kobach Ku Klux Klan Kurds LA Language Languages Las Vegas Massacre Late Obama Age Collapse Late Ov Latin America Latinos Latvia Law Law Laws Of Behavioral Genetics Lazy Glossophiliac Lead Poisoning Learning Lebanon Leda Cosmides Lee Kuan Yew Lenin Leonard Bernstein Lesbians Lèse-diversité LGBT Liberal Opposition Liberal Whites Liberalism Liberals Libertarianism Libertarians Libya Life life-expectancy Lifestyle Light Skin Preference Lindsay Graham Lindsey Graham Linguistics Literacy Literature Lithuania Litvinenko Living Standards Lloyd Blankfein Localism Logan's Run Longevity Loooong Books Looting Lorde Louis Farrakhan Love And Marriage Lover Boys Lyndon Johnson M Factor M.g. Machiavellianism Mad Men Madeleine Albright Madoff Magnitsky Act Mahmoud Abbas Malaysia Malaysian Airlines MH17 Male Homosexuality Mall Malnutrition Malthusianism Manor Manorialism Manosphere Manspreading Manufacturing Mao Zedong Maoism Map Map Posts maps Marc Faber Marco Rubio Maria Butina Marijuana Marine Le Pen mark-adomanis Mark Steyn Mark Warner Market Economy Marriage Marta Martin Luther King Martin Scorsese Marwan Barghouti Marxism Masculinity Masha Gessen Mass Shootings Massacre In Nice Mate Choice Math Mathematics Matt Forney Matthew Weiner Max Blumenthal Max Boot Mayans McCain McCain/POW McDonald's Mcdonald's 365Black Measurement Error Media Media Bias Medicine Medieval Russia Medvedev Mega-Aggressions Megan McCain Mein Obama MEK Memorial Day Men With Gold Chains Meng Wanzhou Mental Illness Mental Traits Merciless Indian Savages Meritocracy Merkel Merkel Youth Merkel's Boner Mesolithic Mexican-American War Mexico MH 17 Michael Flynn Michael Jackson Michael Morell Michael Pompeo Michael Vick Michael Weiss Michelle Goldberg Michelle Ma Belle Michelle Obama Microaggressions Microsoft Middle Ages Middle East Migration Mike Pence Mike Pompeo Mike Signer Mikhail Khodorkovsky Militarization Military Military History Military Spending Military Technology Millionaires Milner Group Mindset Minimum Wage Minneapolis Minorities Misdreavus Missile Defense Missing The Point Mitt Romney Mixed-Race Model Minority Mohammed Bin Salman Monarchy Money Monogamy Moon Landing Hoax Moon Landings Moore's Law Moral Absolutism Moral Universalism Morality Mormonism Mormons Mortality Mortgage Moscow Mossad Moxie MTDNA Mulatto Elite Multiculturalism Music Muslim Muslim Ban Muslims Mussolini Mutual Assured Destruction Myanmar NAEP NAMs Nancy Pelosi Nancy Segal Narendra Modi NASA Natalism Nation Of Islam National Assessment Of Educational Progress National Question National Review National Security State National Security Strategy National Wealth Nationalism Native Americans NATO Natural Selection Nature Nature Vs. Nurture Navy Standards Naz Shah Nazism NBA Neandertal Neandertals Neanderthals Near Abroad Ned Flanders Neo-Nazis Neoconservatism Neoconservatives Neoliberalism Neolithic Neolithic Revolution Neoreaction Nerds Netherlands Neuroscience New Atheists New Cold War New Orleans New Silk Road New World Order New York New York City New York Times New Zealand Shooting News Newspeak NFL Nicholas II Nicholas Wade Nick Eberstadt Nigeria Nike Nikki Haley Noam Chomsky Nobel Prize Nobel Prized #NobelsSoWhiteMale Nordics Norman Braman North Africa North Korea Northern Ireland Northwest Europe Norway #NotOkay Novorossiya Novorossiya Sitrep NSA Nuclear Power Nuclear War Nuclear Weapons Nutrition O Mio Babbino Caro Obama Presidency Obamacare Obesity Obituary Obscured American Occam's Butterknife Occam's Razor Occam's Rubber Room Occupy October Surprise Oil Oliver Stone Olympics Open Borders Operational Sex Ratio Opinion Poll Opioids Orban Original Memes Orissa Orlando Shooting Orthodoxy Orwell Orwellian Language Osama Bin Laden OTFI Out-of-Africa Out Of Africa Model Outbreeding Pakistan Pakistani Paleoanthropology Paleolibertarianism Paleolithic Paleolithic Europeans Paleontology Palestine Palestinians Palin Pamela Geller Panhandling Paper Review Parasite Manipulation Parenting Parenting Parenting Behavioral Genetics Paris Attacks Parsi Parsi Genetics Partly Inbred Extended Family Pat Buchanan Pathogens Patriot Act Patriotism Paul Ewald Paul Ryan Paul Singer Paul Wolfowitz Pavel Grudinin Pax Americana Peak Oil Pearl Harbor Pedophilia Pentagon Perception Management Personal Personal Genomics Personal Use Personality Pete Buttgieg Peter Frost Peter Turchin Petro Poroshenko Pets Pew Phil Onderdonk Phil Rushton Philadelphia Philip Breedlove Philippines Philosophy Philosophy Of Science Phylogenetics Pigmentation Pigs Piketty Pioneer Hypothesis Piracy PISA Pizzagate Planned Parenthood Plaques For Blacks POC Ascendancy Podcast Poland Police Police State Police Training Political Correctness Makes You Stupid Political Dissolution Political Economy Political Philosophy Politicians Polling Polygamy Polygenic Score Polygyny Poor Reading Skills Pope Francis Population Population Genetics Population Growth Population Replacement Population Structure Population Substructure Populism Porn Pornography Portugal Post-Modernism Poverty PRC Pre-Obama America Prediction Presidential Race '08 Presidential Race '12 Presidential Race '16 Presidential Race '20 Press Censorship Prince Bandar Priti Patel Privatization Productivity Profiling Progressives Projection Pronoun Crisis Propaganda Prostitution protest Protestantism Psychology Psychometrics Psychopaths Psychopathy Pubertal Timing Public Health Public Schools Public Transportation Puerto Rico Puritans Putin Putin Derangement Syndrome Pygmies Qatar Quakers Quality Of Life Quantitative Genetics Quebec Race And Crime Race And Genomics Race And Iq Race/Crime Race Denialism Race/IQ race-realism Race Riots Rachel Maddow Racial Intelligence Racial Reality Racialism Racism Racist Objects Menace Racist Pumpkin Incident Radical Islam Raj Shah Rand Paul Randy Fine Rap Music Rape Raqqa Rashida Tlaib Rationality Razib Khan Reader Survey Reading Real Estate RealWorld Recep Tayyip Erdogan Red State Blue State redlining Redneck Dunkirk Refugee Boy Refugee Crisis #refugeeswelcome #RefugeesWelcomeInQatar Regression To The Mean Religion Religion Religion And Philosophy Rentier Reprint Republican Party Republicans Reuel Gerecht Review Revisionism Rex Tillerson RFK Assassination Ricci Richard Dawkins Richard Dyer Richard Goldberg Richard Lewontin Richard Lynn Richard Nixon Richard Russell Riots Ritholtz R/k Theory Robert A. Heinlein Robert Ford Robert Kraft Robert Lindsay Robert McNamara Robert Mueller Robert Mugabe Robert Plomin Robert Spencer Robots Rohingya Rolling Stone Roman Empire Romania Rome Romney Ron DeSantis Ron Paul Ron Unz Ronald Reagan Rotherham Rove Roy Moore RT International Rudy Giuliani Rurik's Seed Russia-Georgia War Russiagate Russian Demography Russian Economy Russian Elections 2018 Russian Far East Russian History Russian Media Russian Military Russian Occupation Government Russian Orthodox Church Russian Reaction Russophobes Saakashvili sabermetrics Sabrina Rubin Erdely Sacha Baron Cohen Sailer Strategy Sailer's First Law Of Female Journalism Saint Peter Tear Down This Gate! Saint-Petersburg Same-sex Marriage San Bernadino Massacre Sandra Beleza Sandy Hook Sapir-Whorf Sarah Palin Sarin Gas SAT Saudi Arabia Saying What You Have To Say Scandinavia Schizophrenia Science Denialism Science Fiction Science Fiction & Fantasy Scotland Scots Irish Scott Ritter Scrabble Secession Seeking Happiness Select Select Post Selection Self Indulgence Self-Obsession Separating The Truth From The Nonsense Serbia Sergei Magnitsky Sergei Skripal Sergey Brin Sex Sex Differences Sex Ratio Sex Ratio At Birth Sex Recognition Sexual Dimorphism Sexual Division Of Labor Sexual Selection Shai Masot Shakespeare Shame Culture Shanghai Shared Environment Shekhovstov Sheldon Adelson Shias And Sunnis Shimon Arad Shmuley Boteach Shorts And Funnies Shoshana Bryen Shurat HaDin Sibel Edmonds Sigar Pearl Mandelker Silicon Valley Singapore Single Men Single Women Six Day War SJWs Skin Color Skin Tone Slate Slave Trade Slavery Slavery Reparations Slavoj Zizek SLC24A5 Sleep Smart Fraction Smoking Social Justice Warriors Social Media Social Science Socialism Society Sociobiology Sociology Sociopathy Sociosexuality Solar Energy Solutions Solzhenitsyn Sotomayor South Africa South Asia South China Sea South Korea Southeast Asia Southern Poverty Law Center Sovereignty Soviet History Soviet Union Space Space Command Space Exploration Space Program Spain Speculation SPLC Sport Sputnik News Srebrenica Stabby Somali Stacey Abrams Staffan Stage Stalinism Standardized Tests Star Trek Comparisons State Department State Formation States Rights Statistics Statue Of Liberty Statue Of Libertyism Steny Hoyer Stephen Cohen Stephen Colbert Stephen Harper Stephen Jay Gould Stephen Townsend Stereotypes Steroids Steve Bannon Steve King Steve Sailer Steven Pinker Steve's Rice Thresher Columns Strategic Affairs Ministry Stuart Levey Stuff White People Like SU-57 Sub-replacement Fertility Sub-Saharan Africa Sub-Saharan Africans Subprime Mortgage Crisis Suicide Super Soaker Supercomputers Superintelligence Supreme Court Survey Susan Glasser Svidomy Sweden Switzerland Syed Farook syr Syrian Civil War Syriza T.S. Eliot Ta-Nehisi Coates Taiwan Take Action Taki Tamil Nadu Tashfeen Malik Tax Cuts Tax Evasion Taxation Taxes Tea Party Technical Considerations Technology Ted Cruz Television Terrorists Tesla Test Scores Testing Testosterone Tests Texas Thailand The AK The American Conservative The Bell Curve The Bible The Black Autumn "the Blacks" The Blank Slate The Breeder's Equation The Cathedral The Confederacy The Constitution The Economist The Eight Banditos The Family The Future The Kissing Billionaire The Left The Megaphone The New York Times The Scramble For America The Son Also Rises The South The States The Washington Post The Zeroth Amendment To The Constitution Theranos Theresa May Thermoeconomics Thomas Jefferson Thomas Moorer Thomas Perez Thor Tidewater Tiger Mom Tiger Woods Tim Tebow TIMSS TNC Tom Cotton Tom Wolfe Tony Blair Tony Kleinfeld Too Many White People Torture Trade Transgenderism Transhumanism Translation Translations Travel Trayvon Martin Trolling Trope Derangement Syndrome Tropical Humans True Redneck Stereotypes Trump Trump Derangement Syndrome Trust Tsarist Russia Tsarnaev Tucker Carlson Tulsa Tulsi Gabbard Turkey Turks Tuskegee TWA 800 Twin Study Twins Twintuition Twitter UK Ukrainian Crisis Unanswerable Questions Unbearable Whiteness Unemployment Union United Kingdom Universal Basic Income Universalism unwordly Upper Paleolithic Urbanization US Blacks US Civil War II US Elections 2016 US Elections 2020 US Military US Regionalism US-Russia.org Expert Discussion Panel USA Used Car Dealers Moral Superiority Of USS Liberty USSR Uttar Pradesh Uyghurs Vaginal Yeast Valerie Plame Vdare Venezuela Vibrancy Victoria Nuland Victorian England Victorianism Video Video Games Vietnam Vietnam War Vietnamese Violence Vioxx Virtual World Visual Word Form Area Vitamin D Vladimir Putin Vladimir Zelensky Voronezh Voting Rights Vulcan Society Wal-Mart Wall Street Walmart War War Crimes War In Donbass War On Terror Warhammer Washington DC Washington Post WasPage Watson Waugh Wealth Wealth Inequality Weight Weight Loss WEIRDO Welfare Western Decline Western Europe Western European Marriage Pattern Western Hypocrisy Western Media Western Religion Western Revival Westerns White White America White Americans White Death White Decline White Flight White Helmets White Liberals White Man's Burden White Nationalism White Nationalists White Privilege White Slavery White Supremacy White Teachers Whiteness Whiterpeople Whites Who Is The Fairest Of Them All? Who Whom Wikileaks Wild Life William Browder William Buckley William D. Hamilton William Fulbright William Kristol WINEP Winston Churchill Women Women In The Workplace Wonderlic Test Woodley Effect Woodrow Wilson WORDSUM Work Workers Working Class World Cup World Values Survey World War G World War I World War III World War T World War Weed Wretched Refuseism Writing WSHH WSJ WTO WVS Xi Jinping Y Chromosome Yamnaya Yankees Yemen Yochi Dreazen Yogi Berra's Restaurant Yoram Hazony YouTube Youtube Ban Yugoslavia Zbigniew Brzezinski Zika Zika Virus Zimbabwe Zionism Zombies Zvika Fogel
Nothing found
All Commenters • My
Comments
• Followed
Commenters
 All / On "Universal Basic Income"
    https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-DA266_aristo_HD_20190130102246.jpg Aristotle in blue. The consensus among political and economic leaders today is that we must maximize economic growth. This assumption affects virtually the entire political spectrum, with the exception of a radical minority of anti-growth Greens advocating décroissance (“de-growth”). Everybody would like more money in their personal pocketbook, on their company’s balance sheet, and/or...
  • @Dieter Kief
    ...we've been staying in bed for a week (Lennon/Yoko Ono) - We were trying to get us some peace...

    Lennon was more sex than gun oriented (and the rest of the Beatles even more so), Commandante Che!

    I recently saw a great photo of John and Yoko out of bed at their hotel during their ‘protest’. It was funny, and I’m pretty sure, not a Photoshop or Gimp fake.

    The cleaning lady was latina.

    A Working Class Hero is Something to be.

    For a long time, the attitude in Japan to Yoko was ‘if he is going to marry a Japanese woman, why this crazy suicidal one?’

    However, I know about her art in 1960s Europe, much is very good if one is to accept conceptualism and performance art. h don’t accept much of the latter, but her Cut Piece was the basis of all of the work of Abrahimovic, beloved of the NYT, for ckear reasons of name.

    She also did great stamps for her mail art.

    So, she did some great work, mainly before meeting Lennon.

    As for her shrieking on record, some is pretty good.

    I don’t like anything on ‘Double Fantasy’, but her later disco excursion as an old lady is qtuite good.

    Really, none of that matters to most.

    The real and sole reason for the change of perception of Ono Yoko in Japan was her setting up a ‘John Lennon Museum’ in Saitama. Internal tourism sites are much coveted.

    I am unlikely ever to visit (not least because I hate Imagine), but that was what swung programmed opinion in her favour.

  • @sally
    i think direct democracy requires constitution bounds..
    and within those constitutional bounds, laws can be
    proposed by the lawyers and legislators.. in full disclosure form.
    and presented to the voters ..

    but in addition to constitutional bounds, should be citizen
    conducted audits, of both the activities of the governors and
    the successes and failures of the governors to accomplish the
    goals set for by law and constitution.

    Any time an audit fails to pass a governors activities to be
    within acceptable norms of legal conduct the governor shall
    be required to step down.. and to report to a court to answer
    charges.

    Personal participation in direct democracy should require that the
    voter pass a relevant points test taken directly from the proposal
    document, and then vote..

    Auditors should audit each law, its impact and application and present
    the findings in full disclosure documents on line for all to see.

    Amendments the constitution should be one subject one point at a time.
    would sure like to see something like this in America

    “Any time an audit fails to pass a governors activities to be
    within acceptable norms of legal conduct the governor shall
    be required to step down.. and to report to a court to answer
    charges.”

    In America? Hahahahahahahh…..Stop it, you’re killing me.

    In today’s America, no one, absolutely no one in power is held accountable for anything. Bankster fraud not only goes unpunished, it is handsomely rewarded. And even mentioning the prospect of our Congress being audited is suspiciously unpatriotic.

  • @obwandiyag
    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Grow up.

    Maybe, but is it three times longer?

  • @obwandiyag
    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Grow up.

    ‘Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans…

    So move to Cuba. You’ll live longer — and you’ll no longer be able to post on Unz Review.

    Everyone wins!

  • @Digital Samizdat
    Guillaume, do you ever write about Dutch politics? Or is that too far outside of your ambit?

    https://www.upr.fr/actualite/communique-de-presse-lunion-populaire-republicaine-upr-salue-lapparition-dun-fort-mouvement-dopinion-favorable-a-la-sortie-des-pays-bas-de-lunion-europeenne-nexit/

    It appears that Euroskepticism ("Nexit") is now on the map in the Netherlands.

    Don’t know enough. But you have info..

  • @Reg Cæsar

    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans.
     
    It certainly feels that way.

    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans.

    obwandiyag

    It certainly feels that way.
    Reg Caesar

    See me – feel me – – touch me! – – – HEAL me e eee e eee!!
    Who?

  • @obwandiyag
    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Grow up.

    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans.

    It certainly feels that way.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans.
     
    obwandiyag

    It certainly feels that way.
    Reg Caesar


    See me - feel me - - touch me! - - - HEAL me e eee e eee!!
    Who?
  • @Dieter kief
    Thanks - interesting!
    The well known German intellectual Hans Magnus Enzensberger wrote a perfect essay about the EU called Sanftes Monster Brüssel - Oder die Entmündigung Europas, in which he asked to downsize the EU. The British have voted for this measure, Enzensberger proposed in 2011 - and who knows, what time will bring along...
    I don't know whether this little book of 80 or so perfect pages has been translated in other languages.

    Two translations of Enzensbergers brilliant downsize-the-EU!-essay are available:

    Brussels, the Gentle Monster: or the Disenfranchisement of Europe, 2011

    Le Doux Monstre de Bruxelles ou L’Europe sous tutelle, traduit par Bernard Lortholary, Paris, Gallimard, 2011 (ISBN 978-2-07-013499-1)

  • @Digital Samizdat
    Guillaume, do you ever write about Dutch politics? Or is that too far outside of your ambit?

    https://www.upr.fr/actualite/communique-de-presse-lunion-populaire-republicaine-upr-salue-lapparition-dun-fort-mouvement-dopinion-favorable-a-la-sortie-des-pays-bas-de-lunion-europeenne-nexit/

    It appears that Euroskepticism ("Nexit") is now on the map in the Netherlands.

    Thanks – interesting!
    The well known German intellectual Hans Magnus Enzensberger wrote a perfect essay about the EU called Sanftes Monster Brüssel – Oder die Entmündigung Europas, in which he asked to downsize the EU. The British have voted for this measure, Enzensberger proposed in 2011 – and who knows, what time will bring along…
    I don’t know whether this little book of 80 or so perfect pages has been translated in other languages.

    • Replies: @Dieter kief
    Two translations of Enzensbergers brilliant downsize-the-EU!-essay are available:


    Brussels, the Gentle Monster: or the Disenfranchisement of Europe, 2011


    Le Doux Monstre de Bruxelles ou L'Europe sous tutelle, traduit par Bernard Lortholary, Paris, Gallimard, 2011 (ISBN 978-2-07-013499-1)
  • Guillaume, do you ever write about Dutch politics? Or is that too far outside of your ambit?

    https://www.upr.fr/actualite/communique-de-presse-lunion-populaire-republicaine-upr-salue-lapparition-dun-fort-mouvement-dopinion-favorable-a-la-sortie-des-pays-bas-de-lunion-europeenne-nexit/

    It appears that Euroskepticism (“Nexit”) is now on the map in the Netherlands.

    • Replies: @Dieter kief
    Thanks - interesting!
    The well known German intellectual Hans Magnus Enzensberger wrote a perfect essay about the EU called Sanftes Monster Brüssel - Oder die Entmündigung Europas, in which he asked to downsize the EU. The British have voted for this measure, Enzensberger proposed in 2011 - and who knows, what time will bring along...
    I don't know whether this little book of 80 or so perfect pages has been translated in other languages.
    , @Guillaume Durocher
    Don't know enough. But you have info..
  • Andrew Yang - THE WAR ON NORMAL PEOPLE (2018) Rating: 5/5 You can access all of my latest book, film, and video game reviews at this link, as well as an ordered, categorized list of all my book reviews and ratings here: I don't normally read the vapid hagiographies that characterize most political manifestoes. The...
  • I don’t need some PoS from China coming here to tell me how run the nation that my ancestors built.

  • https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-DA266_aristo_HD_20190130102246.jpg Aristotle in blue. The consensus among political and economic leaders today is that we must maximize economic growth. This assumption affects virtually the entire political spectrum, with the exception of a radical minority of anti-growth Greens advocating décroissance (“de-growth”). Everybody would like more money in their personal pocketbook, on their company’s balance sheet, and/or...
  • @Miro23
    Apparently the two best indicators of human happiness are being employed and being married.

    What does economic growth contribute to employment and marriage?

    Not much if your job is outsourced. Your ex-corporation may be making record profits and adding to GDP, but you're unemployed and you're not such a great marriage prospect. Ditto if you're forced onto minimum waged by immigrant labour.

    As Dieter Kief points out above, the Swiss seem to get it right with their local democracy.

    They all participate in issue by issue decisions (not least on how to spend their own tax money) and it's local people organizing society to benefit themselves . If the United States ran local democracy , Special Interests would starve, there would be no power in Washington, and no votes for sending local tax money to Israel.

    They are also armed, by obligation.

  • @Dr. Robert Morgan
    Guillaume Durocher: "A eudaimonic economics in contrast would be aimed firstly at ensuring human survival and secondly at promoting human excellence."

    Unfortunately, the endless pursuit of economic growth is bound up with the acquisition of power, and power is necessary for survival. Less powerful groups are more or less at the mercy of the more powerful, and tend to be conquered. Thus there is a kind of Darwinism at play among nations, as Alexander the Great, Aristotle's pupil, probably perceived. If he had not conquered Persia, Persia might have returned again to conquer Greece. But empire is the death of discrete races, as racial mixing is an inherent part of it. After Alexander, Greece notably declined.

    The thrust of this essay seems to be a proposal to make life more about a "promotion of human excellence" and less about a pursuit of power; perhaps a nice idea, but unrealistic. In life, the powerful call the tune that everyone else dances to. In the multi-racial American empire, currently in the throes of a cultural revolution which sees as virtue the complete eradication of traditional white values, one can only regard with a sense of horror and foreboding what those in power promote as "human excellence".

    Dr. Morgan,

    I agree with your analysis and conclusion. However, I would only add one small but crucial detail to clarify the dilemma:

    “Unfortunately, the endless pursuit of economic growth is bound up with the acquisition of power,”

    To: Unfortunately, the endless pursuit of economic growth is bound up with the acquisition of power, to be exercised solely by those of the political-class and their donors at their discretion and for their exclusive benefit.

  • @donald j tingle
    Eudaimonic economics is free market economics.

    History tells the tale, as does theory.

    Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. Inflationary monetary policy has been doctrine in the US for decades. The ills attributed to capitalism are mostly caused by this one pernicious policy.

    I think Mill beat you to it. You should give credit where it is due.

    “This chapter finds that increased public infrastructure investment raises output in both the short and long term, particularly during periods of economic slack and when investment efficiency is high. This suggests that in countries with infrastructure needs, the time is right for an infrastructure push: borrowing costs are low and demand is weak in advanced economies, and there are infrastructure bottlenecks in many emerging market and developing economies. Debt-financed projects could have large output effects without increasing the debt-to-GDP ratio, if clearly identified infrastructure needs are met through efficient investment.”
    “The point estimates in panel 2 of the figure show that higher public investment spending typically reduces the debt-to-GDP ratio both in the short term (by about 0.9 percentage point of GDP) and in the medium term (by about 4 percentage points of GDP), but the decline in debt is statistically significant only in the short term. There is no statistically significant effect on private investment as a share of GDP (panel 3).
    The latter finding suggests the crowding in of private investment, as the level of private investment rises in tandem with the higher GDP as a result of the increase in public investment.
    . . . an increase in public infrastructure investment affects output both in the short term, by boosting aggregate demand through the fiscal multiplier and potentially crowding in private investment, and in the long term, by expanding the productive capacity of the economy with a higher infrastructure stock.”

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2014/02/pdf/c3.pdf

  • @donald j tingle
    Eudaimonic economics is free market economics.

    History tells the tale, as does theory.

    Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. Inflationary monetary policy has been doctrine in the US for decades. The ills attributed to capitalism are mostly caused by this one pernicious policy.

    I think Mill beat you to it. You should give credit where it is due.

    Infrastructure investment spending of the government will increase both the marginal product of labour and capital [New Keynesianism and Aggregate Economic Activity by Assar Lindbeck – Economic Journal, 108, 1998 pp167-80]

  • @Dr. Robert Morgan
    Guillaume Durocher: "A eudaimonic economics in contrast would be aimed firstly at ensuring human survival and secondly at promoting human excellence."

    Unfortunately, the endless pursuit of economic growth is bound up with the acquisition of power, and power is necessary for survival. Less powerful groups are more or less at the mercy of the more powerful, and tend to be conquered. Thus there is a kind of Darwinism at play among nations, as Alexander the Great, Aristotle's pupil, probably perceived. If he had not conquered Persia, Persia might have returned again to conquer Greece. But empire is the death of discrete races, as racial mixing is an inherent part of it. After Alexander, Greece notably declined.

    The thrust of this essay seems to be a proposal to make life more about a "promotion of human excellence" and less about a pursuit of power; perhaps a nice idea, but unrealistic. In life, the powerful call the tune that everyone else dances to. In the multi-racial American empire, currently in the throes of a cultural revolution which sees as virtue the complete eradication of traditional white values, one can only regard with a sense of horror and foreboding what those in power promote as "human excellence".

    Dr. Robert Morgan wrote: “… , one can only regard with a sense of horror and foreboding what those in power promote as “human excellence”.”

    Hello Dr.!

    Thanks for your valuable thought & comment, including the rattling 🐍conclusion, above.

    Of course, am only human, but I conclude that achievement of inhuman “excellence” is the global-power endgame.

    Would appreciate a response statement by author Guillaume Durocher, but am not counting on such happening.

  • @donald j tingle
    Eudaimonic economics is free market economics.

    History tells the tale, as does theory.

    Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. Inflationary monetary policy has been doctrine in the US for decades. The ills attributed to capitalism are mostly caused by this one pernicious policy.

    I think Mill beat you to it. You should give credit where it is due.

    “The focus on equilibrium and prices is due to the hypothetico-axiomatic method, a.k.a. the deductive methodology. The axioms are postulated that people are individualistic and focus on maximising their own satisfaction (named ‘utility’, in honour of Jeremy Bentham, the first economist to argue for the legalisation of the then banned practice of charging interest; Bentham, 1787). Next, a number of assumptions are made: perfect and symmetric information, complete markets, perfect competition, zero transaction costs, no time constraints, fully flexible and instantaneously adjusting prices. McCloskey (1983) has argued that economics has been using mathematical rhetoric to enhance the impression of operating scientifically. Equilibrium will not obtain, if only one of the axioms and assumptions fails to hold. But their accuracy is not tested. Yet, one can estimate the probability of obtaining equilibrium.
    Despite the claims to rigour, the pervasive equilibrium argument and focus on prices reveal a weak grasp of probability mathematics: Since for partial equilibrium in any market, at least the above eight conditions have to be met, if one generously assumed each condition is more likely to hold than not – corresponding to a probability higher than 50%, for instance, 55% – then the probability of equilibrium equals the joint probability of all conditions, which is 0.55 to the power of 8: less than 1%. As the probability of each of the eight conditions being an accurate representation of reality is likely significantly lower than 55% (most having a probability approaching zero themselves), it is apparent that the probability of partial equilibrium in any one market approaches zero (Werner, 2014b). For equilibrium in all markets, these very low probabilities have to be multiplied by each other many times. So we know a priori that partial, let alone general equilibrium cannot be expected in reality. Equilibrium is a theoretical construct unlikely to be observed in practice. This demonstrates that reality is instead characterised by rationed markets. These are not determined by prices, but quantities: In disequilibrium, the short side principle applies: whichever quantity of supply and demand is smaller can be transacted, and the short side has the power to pick and choose with whom to trade (not rarely abusing this market power by extracting ‘rents’, see Werner, 2005).1
    Without equilibrium, quantities become more important than prices.”
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800916307510#bb0295

    • Agree: Iris
  • Guillaume Durocher: “A eudaimonic economics in contrast would be aimed firstly at ensuring human survival and secondly at promoting human excellence.”

    Unfortunately, the endless pursuit of economic growth is bound up with the acquisition of power, and power is necessary for survival. Less powerful groups are more or less at the mercy of the more powerful, and tend to be conquered. Thus there is a kind of Darwinism at play among nations, as Alexander the Great, Aristotle’s pupil, probably perceived. If he had not conquered Persia, Persia might have returned again to conquer Greece. But empire is the death of discrete races, as racial mixing is an inherent part of it. After Alexander, Greece notably declined.

    The thrust of this essay seems to be a proposal to make life more about a “promotion of human excellence” and less about a pursuit of power; perhaps a nice idea, but unrealistic. In life, the powerful call the tune that everyone else dances to. In the multi-racial American empire, currently in the throes of a cultural revolution which sees as virtue the complete eradication of traditional white values, one can only regard with a sense of horror and foreboding what those in power promote as “human excellence”.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Dr. Robert Morgan wrote: "... , one can only regard with a sense of horror and foreboding what those in power promote as “human excellence”."

    Hello Dr.!

    Thanks for your valuable thought & comment, including the rattling 🐍conclusion, above.

    Of course, am only human, but I conclude that achievement of inhuman "excellence" is the global-power endgame.

    Would appreciate a response statement by author Guillaume Durocher, but am not counting on such happening.
    , @OEMIKITLOB
    Dr. Morgan,

    I agree with your analysis and conclusion. However, I would only add one small but crucial detail to clarify the dilemma:

    "Unfortunately, the endless pursuit of economic growth is bound up with the acquisition of power,"

    To: Unfortunately, the endless pursuit of economic growth is bound up with the acquisition of power, to be exercised solely by those of the political-class and their donors at their discretion and for their exclusive benefit.
  • @Iris
    This is an excellent article on a topic fundamental to the survival of the human species. Thanks to the author for addressing the issue.

    with the exception of a radical minority of anti-growth Greens advocating décroissance (“de-growth”).
     
    The author may want to consult the works of French economist Serge Latouche, the pioneer of the "de-growth" theory who proposed many solutions for a world rid of the tyranny of growth (and of debt slavery).

    From a philosophical viewpoint, Mr Latouche also highlights how we now live in a "finite world". The total exploitation of our biosphere can only be the announcement of the end of the world. If we want to avoid catastrophe, we must break with the unlimited development project of the West and enter a new era: the age of limits.
    The process of constantly pushing the limits is manifest in all areas (not only economic and ecological, but also political, moral and cultural) and will result in the destruction of human civilisation if not collectively addressed.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51XdcsmWN6L._SX210_.jpg

    Thanks for the comment! Looks like a great read.

  • Iris says:

    This is an excellent article on a topic fundamental to the survival of the human species. Thanks to the author for addressing the issue.

    with the exception of a radical minority of anti-growth Greens advocating décroissance (“de-growth”).

    The author may want to consult the works of French economist Serge Latouche, the pioneer of the “de-growth” theory who proposed many solutions for a world rid of the tyranny of growth (and of debt slavery).

    From a philosophical viewpoint, Mr Latouche also highlights how we now live in a “finite world”. The total exploitation of our biosphere can only be the announcement of the end of the world. If we want to avoid catastrophe, we must break with the unlimited development project of the West and enter a new era: the age of limits.
    The process of constantly pushing the limits is manifest in all areas (not only economic and ecological, but also political, moral and cultural) and will result in the destruction of human civilisation if not collectively addressed.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
    Thanks for the comment! Looks like a great read.
  • @Dieter Kief
    Banking is a minor thing nowadays in Switzerland - GDP wise a small sector, compared to Guernsey, for example - or even compared to London, and is in the same region as in Holland or the US - ca. 6% of the GDP. - The Swiss economy is a healthy mix of industry (they are building trains for example in Switzerland, and export them all over Europe...), chemistry, medicine, power plants, services, insurance, science, banking, tourism ... -and even the Swiss farmers are doing well. It's a miracle, by and large (Switzerland was so poor in many regions, that it was quite common to send Swiss kids to Southern Germany during summertime for work & eat(this lasted until the 1960ies!). Swiss hunger-migrants settled in southern German villages, near Heidelberg, for example - and in Southern America and in the US - especially in the 17th (Southern Germany) and 18th century.

    Aristoteles was keenly aware (from experience) it takes a COURT to finance the “leisure” of the genius – IOW a bloodsucking class (and he railed against it).
    The supernumerary sons of the Swiss (whom I do admire but for their periodic, erm, “foraging” expeditions into Tyrol) made mercenaries of the highest order but no one (I think) ever was awed by their art ;b
    Bloodsucking cannot be socialised any more than genius (or ius primae noctis), period.

    That said, of course as more overproduction is available it tends to be spread more widely – just don´t make it too dysgenic, OK?

  • @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    To be fair, the amount of foreign money in Swiss banks must help a lot for Swiss citizens to take some time off. Just like Cuba is helped much more by rum, sugar, tobacco, abortions, and tourism, than by their system.
    But yes, democracy is going more direct in general, specially as the current system is fossilized.

    Banking is a minor thing nowadays in Switzerland – GDP wise a small sector, compared to Guernsey, for example – or even compared to London, and is in the same region as in Holland or the US – ca. 6% of the GDP. – The Swiss economy is a healthy mix of industry (they are building trains for example in Switzerland, and export them all over Europe…), chemistry, medicine, power plants, services, insurance, science, banking, tourism … -and even the Swiss farmers are doing well. It’s a miracle, by and large (Switzerland was so poor in many regions, that it was quite common to send Swiss kids to Southern Germany during summertime for work & eat(this lasted until the 1960ies!). Swiss hunger-migrants settled in southern German villages, near Heidelberg, for example – and in Southern America and in the US – especially in the 17th (Southern Germany) and 18th century.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    Aristoteles was keenly aware (from experience) it takes a COURT to finance the "leisure" of the genius - IOW a bloodsucking class (and he railed against it).
    The supernumerary sons of the Swiss (whom I do admire but for their periodic, erm, "foraging" expeditions into Tyrol) made mercenaries of the highest order but no one (I think) ever was awed by their art ;b
    Bloodsucking cannot be socialised any more than genius (or ius primae noctis), period.

    That said, of course as more overproduction is available it tends to be spread more widely - just don´t make it too dysgenic, OK?
  • It is Mr. KIMSL (keep massive handouts to Israel and lie about it).

    One can’t even say ‘MIGA’, since most of the ancient history of ‘ Israel” is a confection.

    However, non-Jewish and U.S.A. readers on this site may try calculating the outflow to ‘pluccky little Israel’.

    This is not to count the many cases of theft of technology, enriched uranium, etc.

    One may make a long list of criims.few nr none brought to trhal.ever.

  • @animalogic
    Don't forget the 70 odd years of sanctions that Cuba has suffered. I believe Mr maga is reinstating the few sanctions that had been lifted.
    How the US loves it's illegal sanctions....

    It is Mr. KIMSL (keep massive handouts to Israel and lie about it).

    One can’t even say ‘MIGA’, since most of the ancient history of ‘ Israel” is a confection.

    However, non-Jewish and U.S.A. readers on this site may try calculating the outflow to ‘pluccky little Israel’.

    This is not to count the many cases of theft of technology, enriched uranium, etc.

    One may make a long list of criminals

  • @Dieter Kief
    ...we've been staying in bed for a week (Lennon/Yoko Ono) - We were trying to get us some peace...

    Lennon was more sex than gun oriented (and the rest of the Beatles even more so), Commandante Che!

    Tix, I am sure not a commandandante, but think.

    I was a teen when Lennon was shot, my pnnk rock band was playing our owm mess ”One Beatle Dead and Three to Go.’ Later takes were not copies, I would think, they had the same idea, but perhaps they really had been copies? I am respectful of human life, but the fakery of Lennon, and his wife, lower my respeAt.

  • @animalogic
    Don't forget the 70 odd years of sanctions that Cuba has suffered. I believe Mr maga is reinstating the few sanctions that had been lifted.
    How the US loves it's illegal sanctions....

    The ‘worker’s paradise’ of Cuba has turned out to be one of the most oppressive governments in the world, a ‘boot on the neck’ totalitarian state. Before Castro, Cuba was the wealthiest Spanish speaking country in the Americas. Granted there were plenty of problems and corruption. Today they rank with Haiti as one of the worst places in the Americas. Hunger is a frequent problem for all but the government elite. Median household incomes are about $20 per month.

    The US maintained sanctions because the Cuban government stole much property belonging to Americans. Other nations have been free to trade with Cuba but they face problems when they invest on the island. The government becomes a 51% partner and confiscates most of the wages payed to employees. Most foreign investors in Cuba have walked away with considerable losses.

    They have great allies like Venezuela, Russia and China. North Korea is a good comparison.

  • @animalogic
    "“These ‘eudaemonic’ objectives … they are to be determined by whom, exactly?”
    The individual.
    Once economic objectives are obtained (both an individual & societal decision) society will try to facilitate an environment in which people can "self improve" -- painting, reading, sculpture, carpentry, gardening, charity work, community work, whatever, as long as it doesn't include massive amounts of just sitting on ones' arse....

    Greetings of “moderation is all things,” from broken Scranton, Pa, Guillaume Durocher!

    Thanks very much for such an outstanding learning experience. Anong many points, I was particularly interested in your assessment that “obesity has spread like an epidenic” in my country.

    This truism is especially strange, schizophrenic (?), given all the fitness gyms & the capable percentage of consumer participation in purchases related to expensive vitamin supplements & organic foodstuffs.

    At any rate, Sir, attached below & fyr is a August 2007 “America Magazine” column written by the late-Jesuit John K. Kavanaugh. Interestingly, this JFK noted how Americans “can buy embryos, sperm, ova, breasts, chemically enhanced biceps,” and I’ll add mechanuca devices which defy excess arousal & enable the male “unit” to stay charged & hard for > 1 hour. 👍

    Father Kavanaugh also noted how, internationally, human organs are bought & sold, and trafficking also means the selling of persons.😟. Again, refer to his article, “Capitobesity,” link below? Again, thanks very much for the enlightenment, Guillaume!

    https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/623/ethics-notebook/capitobesity

    P.S.: Attempting to be objective, I also note how the late-Jesuit seemed to have bought into Alan Greenspan’s incomplete judgement that the G.W. Bush war to “liberate” Iraq was about access to oilfields. No doubt such was the case for, in particular, Exxon-Mobil Lord’s, but I regret how mention of Israel’s “benefit”😈 by Iraq regime-change was put upon an Information Diet. 😖

  • @OEMIKITLOB
    "These ‘eudaemonic’ objectives … they are to be determined by whom, exactly?"

    I inquired of this earlier in the thread. It is the first question I would have to have answered. I've had enough of the state, it's administrators and bureaucrats to last me 3 lifetimes. Enough is enough. I'm all for decentralization and respect for property rights.

    ““These ‘eudaemonic’ objectives … they are to be determined by whom, exactly?”
    The individual.
    Once economic objectives are obtained (both an individual & societal decision) society will try to facilitate an environment in which people can “self improve” — painting, reading, sculpture, carpentry, gardening, charity work, community work, whatever, as long as it doesn’t include massive amounts of just sitting on ones’ arse….

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Greetings of "moderation is all things," from broken Scranton, Pa, Guillaume Durocher!

    Thanks very much for such an outstanding learning experience. Anong many points, I was particularly interested in your assessment that "obesity has spread like an epidenic" in my country.

    This truism is especially strange, schizophrenic (?), given all the fitness gyms & the capable percentage of consumer participation in purchases related to expensive vitamin supplements & organic foodstuffs.

    At any rate, Sir, attached below & fyr is a August 2007 "America Magazine" column written by the late-Jesuit John K. Kavanaugh. Interestingly, this JFK noted how Americans "can buy embryos, sperm, ova, breasts, chemically enhanced biceps," and I'll add mechanuca devices which defy excess arousal & enable the male "unit" to stay charged & hard for > 1 hour. 👍

    Father Kavanaugh also noted how, internationally, human organs are bought & sold, and trafficking also means the selling of persons.😟. Again, refer to his article, "Capitobesity," link below? Again, thanks very much for the enlightenment, Guillaume!

    https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/623/ethics-notebook/capitobesity

    P.S.: Attempting to be objective, I also note how the late-Jesuit seemed to have bought into Alan Greenspan's incomplete judgement that the G.W. Bush war to "liberate" Iraq was about access to oilfields. No doubt such was the case for, in particular, Exxon-Mobil Lord's, but I regret how mention of Israel's "benefit"😈 by Iraq regime-change was put upon an Information Diet. 😖
  • @Patricus
    As some see it Cuba and Haiti have the best standards of living. Ask some Cubans about the struggles to eat a single egg daily. They have ideal health care but for some reason are constantly begging for care packages, e.g bandages, hypodermic needles, over the counter drugs. The Cuban government also touts a mid ranged yearly earnings (in fact about $20 per month).

    Don’t forget the 70 odd years of sanctions that Cuba has suffered. I believe Mr maga is reinstating the few sanctions that had been lifted.
    How the US loves it’s illegal sanctions….

    • Replies: @Patricus
    The 'worker's paradise' of Cuba has turned out to be one of the most oppressive governments in the world, a 'boot on the neck' totalitarian state. Before Castro, Cuba was the wealthiest Spanish speaking country in the Americas. Granted there were plenty of problems and corruption. Today they rank with Haiti as one of the worst places in the Americas. Hunger is a frequent problem for all but the government elite. Median household incomes are about $20 per month.

    The US maintained sanctions because the Cuban government stole much property belonging to Americans. Other nations have been free to trade with Cuba but they face problems when they invest on the island. The government becomes a 51% partner and confiscates most of the wages payed to employees. Most foreign investors in Cuba have walked away with considerable losses.

    They have great allies like Venezuela, Russia and China. North Korea is a good comparison.
    , @Che Guava
    It is Mr. KIMSL (keep massive handouts to Israel and lie about it).

    One can't even say 'MIGA', since most of the ancient history of ' Israel'' is a confection.

    However, non-Jewish and U.S.A. readers on this site may try calculating the outflow to 'pluccky little Israel'.

    This is not to count the many cases of theft of technology, enriched uranium, etc.

    One may make a long list of criminals
  • @Gary
    With AI and robots most of us are or will be redundant. Our
    genocidal, parasitic rulers will exterminate us to maximize
    their enjoyment of peon-free, pristine world. The 1% for 5000
    years have brutally exploit the 99%. Our rulers are not going
    to keep us around if we are unnecessary to maintain their lifestyles.
    They're not our friends.

    You are essentially correct, Gary. Question is — will they fuck things up so badly in the mean time that they’ll actually get their hands burnt feeding us to Moloch? (ie environmental collapse, nuclear war etc)

  • @Kratoklastes
    Making up a new name for central planning and attaching it to a screed about how everything will be ginchy if only the right objectives were in place, is just rinse-and-repeat for every failed socialist utopian wet-dream that has ever existed.

    This is Zeitgeist with a new name since Zeitgeist 's brand is broken because it turned out to be really, really stupid.

    These 'eudaemonic' objectives ... they are to be determined by whom, exactly?

    Give it two generations, and the goals will be determined by same crop of single-minded, goal driven narcissistic sociopaths that currently dominate political life everywhere on the planet.

    Are the objectives going to be determined by some Rousseauean masturbatory fantasy of the 'general will'?

    What mechanism will be used to determine that, exactly?

    Don't dare say "democracy", because it's absolutely clear that no voting system satisfies the minimum conditions for a strategy-proof voting system[1].

    Central planning doesn't work, any more than intercessionary prayer.

    Unfettered voluntary exchange has, embedded in its very DNA, mechanisms that drive producers to produce things that people want, and to use the minimum resources to do so. (It also encourages them to improve technology- even without intellectual property protection).

    To the extent that it's been permitted to function without interference, voluntary 'capitalist' interaction has produced the fastest improvements in the lives of human beings that has ever happened. It has generated massive supernumerary output (i.e., output in excess of subsistence).

    An unfortunate side effect of this, is that the presence of 'excess' output has enabled charlatans and spivs to to bilk a living off the surplus by means of the sine qua non grift... "Without us, society would fall" - which is as false as "God wills that our family rules", which used to work for the likes of Lizzie Battenburg-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (QEII - the old lady, not the boat).

    Worse, for the last two centuries the spivs controlled the flow of information, and took credit for such improvements as occurred simply be having the media declare that it was so. That time is over, but it will take another generation for the system to internalise the lesson.

    As Hayek made clear 3 generations ago[2], social engineering and central planning cannot overcome the information problem, no matter how much its advocates pretend it can.

    Simpletons think that they can point to computers, and ML/DL/AI and say "Take that, Hayek!" - the Zeitgeist idea.

    That's prima facie evidence that they never read Hayek (and also evidence of the Dunning-Kruger Effect[3]).

    However Hayek's point was not that no computer could exist that can accurately determine the currently-optimal[4] input mix for cilantro or mint (or every other agricultural commodity and industrial output)... that's not the issue.

    It's a trivial optimisation problem to find the optimal input mix, given
    • an output structure and
    • a set of relative prices
    • a technological state and
    • a set of consumer preferences

    Hell, you can jointly determine an entire system of outputs if you have everything nailed down.

    Once it's solved, everything is Leontief (i.e., an input-output table) - and while Leontief's contribution was huge, and everyone knows the world is not Leontief. (Leontief is my PhD "grand-supervisor' - he supervised my supervisor).

    HOWEVER... a fixed-proportions production structure is only optimal if nothing significant ever happens, anywhere in the world, from that day forward.

    If something happens that changes relative prices (e.g., a tariff is applied, or an interest rate is changed)... well, you'll want to perform the calculation again.

    Worse: if someone expects that a policy will be implemented that will cause a change in relative prices... they start behaving in ways that adapt to their expectations of future policies. Time to recalculate that table.

    And: If a policy is announced before it's implemented (and the announcement is credible), people's expectations will change and will alter relative prices before the policy is even drafted. Back to the computer, dammit.

    OK, so up to here we're just having to run the model every time something important happens - i.e., where the expected change in relative prices changes the optimal input-output table in ways that make it worthwhile re-calculating the table.


    Now let's do unanticipated changes, and/or changes in things that are impossible to forecast... tastes/preferences, and technology. There are a thousand other things that have the same future-value problem[5].

    Preference change and technological change are foreseeable, but not predictable: you know that they will happen, but you don't know how they will be distributed... temporally, spatially, sectorally.

    Generally it's safe to assume that industry-specific tech change is monotonically increasing - until you set up a system where it's possible for a policy to outlaw some input (for the children!!) and forces a second-best tech to dominate.

    It's not safe to think of preference changes as monotonic or increasing (e.g., changes in preferences for weed vs tobacco; for tobacco outright; for sugar; for abacuses, slide rules, buggy whips and Penny Farthings...)

    Think of the coriander (cilantro) and mint referred to above.

    A "Zeitgeist machine" cannot even determine the path of consumer preference between two herbs. It cannot determine the path of the optimal production process for those two basic things; it will be able to guess that the production processes will be similar but non-identical - which means it's not forecasting one process that applies at all points in time hereafter... it's forecasting two expansion paths that rely on parameters whose future values are not known with sufficient precision.

    So quite apart from the meta-problem that centrally-planned segments of economic systems will - with probability 1 - be captured by the worst individuals in society.... it turns out that even if angels were in charge they would not be able to reliably determine the optimal output mix, or the optimal input mix required to generate that output.

    Re-badge this bullshit again in another five years... the counter-arguments will be the same, and they are insurmountable because the present relies on expectations of the future, and key bits of the future are un-knowable (and the uncertainty is sufficient that the ex ante optimum may result in losses... ask any fund manager).

    Central planning - and government generally - causes more market failures than it ameliorates.


    [1] Voting (ordinal preference aggregation) is a shibboleth. It's well-understood that it cannot do what it claims, even for 'single-issue' problems. At the very end of this comment I've sticky-taped in a good starting set of reasonably-short references that, if read in good faith by a dispassionate individual, will disabuse them of any residual faith in democracy's ability to reliably identify 'what society wants' (much less to drive the system towards the identified goal in a net-beneficial way - that's a whole other set of references!)

    [2] Hayek, F. (1945) "The Use of Knowledge in Society", The American Economic Review. 35 (4): 519–530

    [3] Kruger, Justin; Dunning, David (1999). "Unskilled and unaware of it: How difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments." Journal of Personality and Social Psychology American Psychological Association. 77 (6): 1121–1134. CiteSeerX 10.1.1.64.2655 Freely accessible. PMID 10626367. doi:10.1037/0022-3514.77.6.1121.

    [4] 'Currently-optimal' - the input mix that maximises net revenue subject to some production function, a cost function, a vector of relative prices, all of which are known to a given level of precision (which means that the mix is changed iff the doing so is expected to be net-revenue accretive)

    [5] The future-value problem is a key reason why forecasting is properly done through stochastic simulation - running the model a vast number of times, each time using a different draw from the distribution of the exogenous variables and parameters. This also implicitly means that many runs will effectively use a different model structure:when some adjustment parameter happens to be zero in a given 'draw', that's like running the model - for that run - without the adjustment mechanism.

    Anyhow .. .all of that was the topic of my (quasi-abandoned) PhD, and was the thing that forced me to confront the problem of uncertainty quantification in numerical modelling... and eventually led me to abandon economic forecasting as a result: when the entire domain of stochastic variation is explored, the resulting forecast bounds are so wide that neither the sign nor the magnitude of forecast changed are statistically meaningful.

    (This problem is orders of magnitude more important in climate modelling, where the system is more complex, more nonlinear, and forecasts are performed over even longer timeframes: climate models are theological instruments)

    OK... now to the voting references - read them or don't. Who doesn't read them can continue to support democracy because of deliberate ignorance; who reads them and continues to support democracy is a charlatan.


    VOTING A SHIBBOLETH - or: References to Dispel the Myth of Democracy-as-Solution

    Note that all of the following references deal with the impossibility of social preference determination under conditions of full information. Adding uncertainty (e.g., the possibility that politicians lie in order to attract votes; the odds that they renege; the uncertainty of actual future outcomes and costs of policy) makes the problem worse, even if you try to model government intervention actuarially (i.e. ,as a form of insurance).

    Arrow Impossibility Theorem

    If there are 3 or more possible options, no ranked-voting electoral system can convert the ranked preferences of individuals into a community-wide (complete, transitive) ranking while satisfying: ① unrestricted domain; ② non-dictatorship; ③ Pareto efficiency, and ④ independence of irrelevant alternatives.
     
    Arrow (1950). "A Difficulty in the Concept of Social Welfare" Journal of Political Economy 58 (4): 328–346

    Geanakoplos, John (2005). "Three Brief Proofs of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem" Economic Theory 26 (1): 211–215

    Gibbard's Theorem

    If there are 3 or more possible options and preference expression is 'straightforward' (no tactical voting) then the system is dictatorial (one voter's preferences always wins)
     
    Gibbard (1973). "Manipulation of voting schemes: a general result" Econometrica 41 (4): 587–601.

    Gibbard-Satterthwaite Theorem

    Similar to Gibbard's Theorem, but restricted to ordinal voting
     
    Gibbard (1973). "Manipulation of voting schemes: a general result" Econometrica 41 (4): 587–601.

    Satterthwaite (April 1975). "Strategy-proofness and Arrow's Conditions: Existence and Correspondence Theorems for Voting Procedures and Social Welfare Functions" Journal of Economic Theory 10: 187–217.

    Duggan-Schwarz Theorem

    Similar to G-S, but for non-empty SET of winners as opposed to single winner - e.g., voting in the Australian Senate
     
    J. Duggan and T. Schwartz, "Strategic manipulability is inescapable: Gibbard–Satterthwaite without resoluteness", Working Papers 817, California Institute of Technology, Division of the Humanities and Social Sciences, 1992.

    J. Duggan & T. Schwartz (2000). "Strategic manipulability without resoluteness or shared beliefs: Gibbard–Satterthwaite generalized". Social Choice and Welfare. 17: 85–93. doi:10.1007/PL00007177.

    Alan D. Taylor, "The manipulability of voting systems", The American Mathematical Monthly, April 2002. JSTOR 2695497

    Alan D. Taylor, "Social Choice and the Mathematics of Manipulation", Cambridge University Press, 1st edition (2005), ISBN 0-521-00883-2. Chapter 4: Non-resolute voting rules.

    Holmström's Theorem

    No incentive system exists for a team of agents, that jointly satisfies ① Pareto Efficiency; ② [Bayes-]Nash Equilibrium, and ③ adherence to a budget constraint
     
    Bengt Holmström, "Moral Hazard in Teams", The Bell Journal of Economics 13, no. 2 (1982), pp. 324–340. JSTOR 3003457

    You should be above appealing to that tiny portion of your readership which will cheer at your “same crop of single-minded, goal driven narcissistic sociopaths that currently dominate political life everywhere on the planet”. Mind you it is intriguing to try and construe your words so one can one say “well OK, maybe”, and, equally, more specifically, to work out what you may mean by “goal driven”. Indeed what goals drive them, even some particularly potent coterie?

    If you were to allege that most democracies are beyond the competence of politicians to manage with acceptable competence I would agree with you and point to the remarkable good fortune that allows Australia, Canada and New Zealand to be decently governable by the politicians we elect, for the time being anyway. (Thank you China). But where do your wild words come from. You look at the former Minister of Finance Kelly O’Dwyer retiring from Parliament in her early 40s so she can bear and raise more children. An exception to “narcissistic sociopaths” perhaps. No, you are not serious. Shorten and his CMFEU backers maybe but you can’t really pin it on our worthy Pentecostal PM (though that is a bit wacky on the face of it, isn’t it?). Aha, Clive Palmer, but with luck he’s finished. Nah, you can’t be serious.

  • @Wantoknow
    Excellent idea. Perhaps infinities exist but one should stroll towards them, not run and smell the roses along the way. I suppose this shows my true colors for while I certainly don't want to get stressed out I also want to move to some selfish, hedonistic version of the Garden of Eden where I can mix my swinish pleasures with the contemplative restraint of an Athenian philosopher.

    Not to joke too much but what will luxury be in the future? What will modest comfort be in the future? If an unemployed European lives better than a king three centuries ago then that European must be living as a king to the commoners of three centuries ago. So then what will modest comfort be three centuries from now? A slaver's pen or some inconceivable glory?

    I have faith in the Singularity and wish to live as a god, but I am not particularly willing to accept a decorous pace towards that goal though I certainly agree that consumerism is decidedly undignified.

    As you argue there is a real question of whether all our devices constitute true goods. However, if so, it is likely that consumerism is the natural response of a pack of goods starved, opportunity starved Western peasants struggling to swallow a moldy crust of bread before some similarly starved fellow snatches it away. Can we afford eudaimonic dignity in the world as it is even if we need it?

    It would seem that employment as a means of acquiring a living needs to end. People should work for themselves at a leisurely pace in their own businesses or dump the whole mass of economic need after Aristotle onto the backs of a new angelic robotics.

    I am certainly for the latter and I wish to proceed with great haste to such a conclusion kicking any who stand in the way to the curb. So much for decorum. That can come after. Whether you call it money or robotics, the most important thing to buy with the currency at hand is freedom from the ideas and claims of people you do not enjoy. Hell is other people and never more so than now. We live among a general bad. When people become more enjoyable one can sing a different tune.

    For all the rational sensibility of a eudaimonic economics I think a stark raving mad panic to get out of the current age at whatever cost is the more sensible point of view. This age is Hell.

    We are starting to circle the drain, wanttoknow….

  • @donald j tingle
    Eudaimonic economics is free market economics.

    History tells the tale, as does theory.

    Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. Inflationary monetary policy has been doctrine in the US for decades. The ills attributed to capitalism are mostly caused by this one pernicious policy.

    I think Mill beat you to it. You should give credit where it is due.

    “Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. ”
    Nonsense.
    The interaction between public & private “growth” is so intertwined that you basically have a chicken & egg situation.
    The issue is always one of balance.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  • @Che Guava
    Don't ya know that happiness

    Is a warm gun?

    we’ve been staying in bed for a week (Lennon/Yoko Ono) – We were trying to get us some peace

    Lennon was more sex than gun oriented (and the rest of the Beatles even more so), Commandante Che!

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Tix, I am sure not a commandandante, but think.


    I was a teen when Lennon was shot, my pnnk rock band was playing our owm mess ''One Beatle Dead and Three to Go.' Later takes were not copies, I would think, they had the same idea, but perhaps they really had been copies? I am respectful of human life, but the fakery of Lennon, and his wife, lower my respeAt.
    , @Che Guava
    I recently saw a great photo of John and Yoko out of bed at their hotel during their 'protest'. It was funny, and I'm pretty sure, not a Photoshop or Gimp fake.

    The cleaning lady was latina.

    A Working Class Hero is Something to be.

    For a long time, the attitude in Japan to Yoko was 'if he is going to marry a Japanese woman, why this crazy suicidal one?'

    However, I know about her art in 1960s Europe, much is very good if one is to accept conceptualism and performance art. h don't accept much of the latter, but her Cut Piece was the basis of all of the work of Abrahimovic, beloved of the NYT, for ckear reasons of name.

    She also did great stamps for her mail art.

    So, she did some great work, mainly before meeting Lennon.

    As for her shrieking on record, some is pretty good.

    I don't like anything on 'Double Fantasy', but her later disco excursion as an old lady is qtuite good.

    Really, none of that matters to most.

    The real and sole reason for the change of perception of Ono Yoko in Japan was her setting up a 'John Lennon Museum' in Saitama. Internal tourism sites are much coveted.

    I am unlikely ever to visit (not least because I hate Imagine), but that was what swung programmed opinion in her favour.

  • Even though this is a more never-married and divorced nation all the time, everything is deceptively discussed under the rubric of “working families.” Whereas families worked on farms and in factories 100 years ago, zero.zero.zero children work today. And millions of households with and without children lack two earners.

    As long as a single mom has kids under 18, she needn’t worry about the extremely low pay grade of $20k or less. She needn’t worry about surviving on part-time, temp or churn jobs, and in fact, fly-by-night and part-time work is advantageous to her, keeping her qualified for multiple layers of pay from Uncle Sam for womb-productive sex.

    Depending on whether her income from a temp job or part-time work exceeds the welfare programs’ earned-income limits that month, she has access to free major bills: free EBT food, reduced-cost housing, monthly cash assistance and free electricity. At tax time, she gets a bonus check from Uncle Sam: up to $6,431 in pay for sex and reproduction via a refundable child tax credit check.

    Two household incomes at $20k equal $40k to cover rent that takes more than half of the monthly, earned-only income of single, childless citizens and single parents with kids over 18, with only $20k to cover rent and all other bills. A $20k job means about $1,400 per month in take-home pay, and rent for a one-room apartment is between $800 — $900 in a low-cost rent state.

    Dual-earner parents also get substantial non-refundable child tax credits to bump up their dual incomes, not so with the single, non-womb-productive earners. The stress level of trying to finance rent on $20k in earned-only income is very, very, very, very different than what “families”—whether they are welfare supported or dual-earner—face.

    The American economy is much more brutal for the large group of single, non-welfare-eligible earners in the bottom 80%, and it is made more brutal still by the corrupt cronyism in the many crony-parent jobs, where above-firing parents hire mostly fellow absentee parents. Crony parents can also hold onto the few quality jobs while missing tons of work beyond just their PTO & pregnancy leave.

    Statistics only state “median household income,” even though it counts the earned income of all household members.

    Articles on cities and towns always list median income, misleading single, non-welfare-eligible job seekers with false advertising that makes it look like the city’s elected leaders have brought in quality jobs, with corporations paying a wage sufficient to cover rent for those without unearned income from a spouse, a rent-covering child support check, retirement income or monthly welfare and refundable child tax credit cash.

    When perusing deceptive information compiled by “experts,” always divide by two if you lack unearned income related to womb productivity or other non-work-related things, noting the percentage of married households and the percentage of households with children under 18 in the city or town. It’s not the majority. The silent majority is single and non-welfare-eligible—either with zero kids or with kids over 18.

  • @Kratoklastes
    Making up a new name for central planning and attaching it to a screed about how everything will be ginchy if only the right objectives were in place, is just rinse-and-repeat for every failed socialist utopian wet-dream that has ever existed.

    This is Zeitgeist with a new name since Zeitgeist 's brand is broken because it turned out to be really, really stupid.

    These 'eudaemonic' objectives ... they are to be determined by whom, exactly?

    Give it two generations, and the goals will be determined by same crop of single-minded, goal driven narcissistic sociopaths that currently dominate political life everywhere on the planet.

    Are the objectives going to be determined by some Rousseauean masturbatory fantasy of the 'general will'?

    What mechanism will be used to determine that, exactly?

    Don't dare say "democracy", because it's absolutely clear that no voting system satisfies the minimum conditions for a strategy-proof voting system[1].

    Central planning doesn't work, any more than intercessionary prayer.

    Unfettered voluntary exchange has, embedded in its very DNA, mechanisms that drive producers to produce things that people want, and to use the minimum resources to do so. (It also encourages them to improve technology- even without intellectual property protection).

    To the extent that it's been permitted to function without interference, voluntary 'capitalist' interaction has produced the fastest improvements in the lives of human beings that has ever happened. It has generated massive supernumerary output (i.e., output in excess of subsistence).

    An unfortunate side effect of this, is that the presence of 'excess' output has enabled charlatans and spivs to to bilk a living off the surplus by means of the sine qua non grift... "Without us, society would fall" - which is as false as "God wills that our family rules", which used to work for the likes of Lizzie Battenburg-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (QEII - the old lady, not the boat).

    Worse, for the last two centuries the spivs controlled the flow of information, and took credit for such improvements as occurred simply be having the media declare that it was so. That time is over, but it will take another generation for the system to internalise the lesson.

    As Hayek made clear 3 generations ago[2], social engineering and central planning cannot overcome the information problem, no matter how much its advocates pretend it can.

    Simpletons think that they can point to computers, and ML/DL/AI and say "Take that, Hayek!" - the Zeitgeist idea.

    That's prima facie evidence that they never read Hayek (and also evidence of the Dunning-Kruger Effect[3]).

    However Hayek's point was not that no computer could exist that can accurately determine the currently-optimal[4] input mix for cilantro or mint (or every other agricultural commodity and industrial output)... that's not the issue.

    It's a trivial optimisation problem to find the optimal input mix, given
    • an output structure and
    • a set of relative prices
    • a technological state and
    • a set of consumer preferences

    Hell, you can jointly determine an entire system of outputs if you have everything nailed down.

    Once it's solved, everything is Leontief (i.e., an input-output table) - and while Leontief's contribution was huge, and everyone knows the world is not Leontief. (Leontief is my PhD "grand-supervisor' - he supervised my supervisor).

    HOWEVER... a fixed-proportions production structure is only optimal if nothing significant ever happens, anywhere in the world, from that day forward.

    If something happens that changes relative prices (e.g., a tariff is applied, or an interest rate is changed)... well, you'll want to perform the calculation again.

    Worse: if someone expects that a policy will be implemented that will cause a change in relative prices... they start behaving in ways that adapt to their expectations of future policies. Time to recalculate that table.

    And: If a policy is announced before it's implemented (and the announcement is credible), people's expectations will change and will alter relative prices before the policy is even drafted. Back to the computer, dammit.

    OK, so up to here we're just having to run the model every time something important happens - i.e., where the expected change in relative prices changes the optimal input-output table in ways that make it worthwhile re-calculating the table.


    Now let's do unanticipated changes, and/or changes in things that are impossible to forecast... tastes/preferences, and technology. There are a thousand other things that have the same future-value problem[5].

    Preference change and technological change are foreseeable, but not predictable: you know that they will happen, but you don't know how they will be distributed... temporally, spatially, sectorally.

    Generally it's safe to assume that industry-specific tech change is monotonically increasing - until you set up a system where it's possible for a policy to outlaw some input (for the children!!) and forces a second-best tech to dominate.

    It's not safe to think of preference changes as monotonic or increasing (e.g., changes in preferences for weed vs tobacco; for tobacco outright; for sugar; for abacuses, slide rules, buggy whips and Penny Farthings...)

    Think of the coriander (cilantro) and mint referred to above.

    A "Zeitgeist machine" cannot even determine the path of consumer preference between two herbs. It cannot determine the path of the optimal production process for those two basic things; it will be able to guess that the production processes will be similar but non-identical - which means it's not forecasting one process that applies at all points in time hereafter... it's forecasting two expansion paths that rely on parameters whose future values are not known with sufficient precision.

    So quite apart from the meta-problem that centrally-planned segments of economic systems will - with probability 1 - be captured by the worst individuals in society.... it turns out that even if angels were in charge they would not be able to reliably determine the optimal output mix, or the optimal input mix required to generate that output.

    Re-badge this bullshit again in another five years... the counter-arguments will be the same, and they are insurmountable because the present relies on expectations of the future, and key bits of the future are un-knowable (and the uncertainty is sufficient that the ex ante optimum may result in losses... ask any fund manager).

    Central planning - and government generally - causes more market failures than it ameliorates.


    [1] Voting (ordinal preference aggregation) is a shibboleth. It's well-understood that it cannot do what it claims, even for 'single-issue' problems. At the very end of this comment I've sticky-taped in a good starting set of reasonably-short references that, if read in good faith by a dispassionate individual, will disabuse them of any residual faith in democracy's ability to reliably identify 'what society wants' (much less to drive the system towards the identified goal in a net-beneficial way - that's a whole other set of references!)

    [2] Hayek, F. (1945) "The Use of Knowledge in Society", The American Economic Review. 35 (4): 519–530

    [3] Kruger, Justin; Dunning, David (1999). "Unskilled and unaware of it: How difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments." Journal of Personality and Social Psychology American Psychological Association. 77 (6): 1121–1134. CiteSeerX 10.1.1.64.2655 Freely accessible. PMID 10626367. doi:10.1037/0022-3514.77.6.1121.

    [4] 'Currently-optimal' - the input mix that maximises net revenue subject to some production function, a cost function, a vector of relative prices, all of which are known to a given level of precision (which means that the mix is changed iff the doing so is expected to be net-revenue accretive)

    [5] The future-value problem is a key reason why forecasting is properly done through stochastic simulation - running the model a vast number of times, each time using a different draw from the distribution of the exogenous variables and parameters. This also implicitly means that many runs will effectively use a different model structure:when some adjustment parameter happens to be zero in a given 'draw', that's like running the model - for that run - without the adjustment mechanism.

    Anyhow .. .all of that was the topic of my (quasi-abandoned) PhD, and was the thing that forced me to confront the problem of uncertainty quantification in numerical modelling... and eventually led me to abandon economic forecasting as a result: when the entire domain of stochastic variation is explored, the resulting forecast bounds are so wide that neither the sign nor the magnitude of forecast changed are statistically meaningful.

    (This problem is orders of magnitude more important in climate modelling, where the system is more complex, more nonlinear, and forecasts are performed over even longer timeframes: climate models are theological instruments)

    OK... now to the voting references - read them or don't. Who doesn't read them can continue to support democracy because of deliberate ignorance; who reads them and continues to support democracy is a charlatan.


    VOTING A SHIBBOLETH - or: References to Dispel the Myth of Democracy-as-Solution

    Note that all of the following references deal with the impossibility of social preference determination under conditions of full information. Adding uncertainty (e.g., the possibility that politicians lie in order to attract votes; the odds that they renege; the uncertainty of actual future outcomes and costs of policy) makes the problem worse, even if you try to model government intervention actuarially (i.e. ,as a form of insurance).

    Arrow Impossibility Theorem

    If there are 3 or more possible options, no ranked-voting electoral system can convert the ranked preferences of individuals into a community-wide (complete, transitive) ranking while satisfying: ① unrestricted domain; ② non-dictatorship; ③ Pareto efficiency, and ④ independence of irrelevant alternatives.
     
    Arrow (1950). "A Difficulty in the Concept of Social Welfare" Journal of Political Economy 58 (4): 328–346

    Geanakoplos, John (2005). "Three Brief Proofs of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem" Economic Theory 26 (1): 211–215

    Gibbard's Theorem

    If there are 3 or more possible options and preference expression is 'straightforward' (no tactical voting) then the system is dictatorial (one voter's preferences always wins)
     
    Gibbard (1973). "Manipulation of voting schemes: a general result" Econometrica 41 (4): 587–601.

    Gibbard-Satterthwaite Theorem

    Similar to Gibbard's Theorem, but restricted to ordinal voting
     
    Gibbard (1973). "Manipulation of voting schemes: a general result" Econometrica 41 (4): 587–601.

    Satterthwaite (April 1975). "Strategy-proofness and Arrow's Conditions: Existence and Correspondence Theorems for Voting Procedures and Social Welfare Functions" Journal of Economic Theory 10: 187–217.

    Duggan-Schwarz Theorem

    Similar to G-S, but for non-empty SET of winners as opposed to single winner - e.g., voting in the Australian Senate
     
    J. Duggan and T. Schwartz, "Strategic manipulability is inescapable: Gibbard–Satterthwaite without resoluteness", Working Papers 817, California Institute of Technology, Division of the Humanities and Social Sciences, 1992.

    J. Duggan & T. Schwartz (2000). "Strategic manipulability without resoluteness or shared beliefs: Gibbard–Satterthwaite generalized". Social Choice and Welfare. 17: 85–93. doi:10.1007/PL00007177.

    Alan D. Taylor, "The manipulability of voting systems", The American Mathematical Monthly, April 2002. JSTOR 2695497

    Alan D. Taylor, "Social Choice and the Mathematics of Manipulation", Cambridge University Press, 1st edition (2005), ISBN 0-521-00883-2. Chapter 4: Non-resolute voting rules.

    Holmström's Theorem

    No incentive system exists for a team of agents, that jointly satisfies ① Pareto Efficiency; ② [Bayes-]Nash Equilibrium, and ③ adherence to a budget constraint
     
    Bengt Holmström, "Moral Hazard in Teams", The Bell Journal of Economics 13, no. 2 (1982), pp. 324–340. JSTOR 3003457

    “These ‘eudaemonic’ objectives … they are to be determined by whom, exactly?”

    I inquired of this earlier in the thread. It is the first question I would have to have answered. I’ve had enough of the state, it’s administrators and bureaucrats to last me 3 lifetimes. Enough is enough. I’m all for decentralization and respect for property rights.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    "“These ‘eudaemonic’ objectives … they are to be determined by whom, exactly?”
    The individual.
    Once economic objectives are obtained (both an individual & societal decision) society will try to facilitate an environment in which people can "self improve" -- painting, reading, sculpture, carpentry, gardening, charity work, community work, whatever, as long as it doesn't include massive amounts of just sitting on ones' arse....
  • @Miro23
    Apparently the two best indicators of human happiness are being employed and being married.

    What does economic growth contribute to employment and marriage?

    Not much if your job is outsourced. Your ex-corporation may be making record profits and adding to GDP, but you're unemployed and you're not such a great marriage prospect. Ditto if you're forced onto minimum waged by immigrant labour.

    As Dieter Kief points out above, the Swiss seem to get it right with their local democracy.

    They all participate in issue by issue decisions (not least on how to spend their own tax money) and it's local people organizing society to benefit themselves . If the United States ran local democracy , Special Interests would starve, there would be no power in Washington, and no votes for sending local tax money to Israel.

    The Swiss people are largely decentralized from the government. The residents of the cantons hold great power and authority (rightly and properly, IMO) in whom they allow to move in. Something I wish we saw more of here in America…

    I have heard that there are some changes on these fronts to cause some members of Swiss society concern though. I haven’t verified it but it wouldn’t surprise me if true; do-gooders and busybodies have always been disrupters of peace.

  • Making up a new name for central planning and attaching it to a screed about how everything will be ginchy if only the right objectives were in place, is just rinse-and-repeat for every failed socialist utopian wet-dream that has ever existed.

    This is Zeitgeist with a new name since Zeitgeist ‘s brand is broken because it turned out to be really, really stupid.

    These ‘eudaemonic’ objectives … they are to be determined by whom, exactly?

    Give it two generations, and the goals will be determined by same crop of single-minded, goal driven narcissistic sociopaths that currently dominate political life everywhere on the planet.

    Are the objectives going to be determined by some Rousseauean masturbatory fantasy of the ‘general will’?

    What mechanism will be used to determine that, exactly?

    Don’t dare say “democracy”, because it’s absolutely clear that no voting system satisfies the minimum conditions for a strategy-proof voting system[1].

    Central planning doesn’t work, any more than intercessionary prayer.

    Unfettered voluntary exchange has, embedded in its very DNA, mechanisms that drive producers to produce things that people want, and to use the minimum resources to do so. (It also encourages them to improve technology- even without intellectual property protection).

    To the extent that it’s been permitted to function without interference, voluntary ‘capitalist’ interaction has produced the fastest improvements in the lives of human beings that has ever happened. It has generated massive supernumerary output (i.e., output in excess of subsistence).

    An unfortunate side effect of this, is that the presence of ‘excess’ output has enabled charlatans and spivs to to bilk a living off the surplus by means of the sine qua non grift… “Without us, society would fall” – which is as false as “God wills that our family rules”, which used to work for the likes of Lizzie Battenburg-Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (QEII – the old lady, not the boat).

    Worse, for the last two centuries the spivs controlled the flow of information, and took credit for such improvements as occurred simply be having the media declare that it was so. That time is over, but it will take another generation for the system to internalise the lesson.

    As Hayek made clear 3 generations ago[2], social engineering and central planning cannot overcome the information problem, no matter how much its advocates pretend it can.

    Simpletons think that they can point to computers, and ML/DL/AI and say “Take that, Hayek!” – the Zeitgeist idea.

    That’s prima facie evidence that they never read Hayek (and also evidence of the Dunning-Kruger Effect[3]).

    However Hayek’s point was not that no computer could exist that can accurately determine the currently-optimal[4] input mix for cilantro or mint (or every other agricultural commodity and industrial output)… that’s not the issue.

    It’s a trivial optimisation problem to find the optimal input mix, given
    • an output structure and
    • a set of relative prices
    • a technological state and
    • a set of consumer preferences

    Hell, you can jointly determine an entire system of outputs if you have everything nailed down.

    Once it’s solved, everything is Leontief (i.e., an input-output table) – and while Leontief’s contribution was huge, and everyone knows the world is not Leontief. (Leontief is my PhD “grand-supervisor’ – he supervised my supervisor).

    HOWEVER… a fixed-proportions production structure is only optimal if nothing significant ever happens, anywhere in the world, from that day forward.

    If something happens that changes relative prices (e.g., a tariff is applied, or an interest rate is changed)… well, you’ll want to perform the calculation again.

    Worse: if someone expects that a policy will be implemented that will cause a change in relative prices… they start behaving in ways that adapt to their expectations of future policies. Time to recalculate that table.

    And: If a policy is announced before it’s implemented (and the announcement is credible), people’s expectations will change and will alter relative prices before the policy is even drafted. Back to the computer, dammit.

    OK, so up to here we’re just having to run the model every time something important happens – i.e., where the expected change in relative prices changes the optimal input-output table in ways that make it worthwhile re-calculating the table.

    Now let’s do unanticipated changes, and/or changes in things that are impossible to forecast… tastes/preferences, and technology. There are a thousand other things that have the same future-value problem[5].

    Preference change and technological change are foreseeable, but not predictable: you know that they will happen, but you don’t know how they will be distributed… temporally, spatially, sectorally.

    Generally it’s safe to assume that industry-specific tech change is monotonically increasing – until you set up a system where it’s possible for a policy to outlaw some input (for the children!!) and forces a second-best tech to dominate.

    It’s not safe to think of preference changes as monotonic or increasing (e.g., changes in preferences for weed vs tobacco; for tobacco outright; for sugar; for abacuses, slide rules, buggy whips and Penny Farthings…)

    Think of the coriander (cilantro) and mint referred to above.

    A “Zeitgeist machine” cannot even determine the path of consumer preference between two herbs. It cannot determine the path of the optimal production process for those two basic things; it will be able to guess that the production processes will be similar but non-identical – which means it’s not forecasting one process that applies at all points in time hereafter… it’s forecasting two expansion paths that rely on parameters whose future values are not known with sufficient precision.

    So quite apart from the meta-problem that centrally-planned segments of economic systems will – with probability 1 – be captured by the worst individuals in society…. it turns out that even if angels were in charge they would not be able to reliably determine the optimal output mix, or the optimal input mix required to generate that output.

    Re-badge this bullshit again in another five years… the counter-arguments will be the same, and they are insurmountable because the present relies on expectations of the future, and key bits of the future are un-knowable (and the uncertainty is sufficient that the ex ante optimum may result in losses… ask any fund manager).

    Central planning – and government generally – causes more market failures than it ameliorates.

    [1] Voting (ordinal preference aggregation) is a shibboleth. It’s well-understood that it cannot do what it claims, even for ‘single-issue’ problems. At the very end of this comment I’ve sticky-taped in a good starting set of reasonably-short references that, if read in good faith by a dispassionate individual, will disabuse them of any residual faith in democracy’s ability to reliably identify ‘what society wants’ (much less to drive the system towards the identified goal in a net-beneficial way – that’s a whole other set of references!)

    [2] Hayek, F. (1945) “The Use of Knowledge in Society“, The American Economic Review. 35 (4): 519–530

    [3] Kruger, Justin; Dunning, David (1999). “Unskilled and unaware of it: How difficulties in recognizing one’s own incompetence lead to inflated self-assessments.Journal of Personality and Social Psychology American Psychological Association. 77 (6): 1121–1134. CiteSeerX 10.1.1.64.2655 Freely accessible. PMID 10626367. doi:10.1037/0022-3514.77.6.1121.

    [4] ‘Currently-optimal’ – the input mix that maximises net revenue subject to some production function, a cost function, a vector of relative prices, all of which are known to a given level of precision (which means that the mix is changed iff the doing so is expected to be net-revenue accretive)

    [5] The future-value problem is a key reason why forecasting is properly done through stochastic simulation – running the model a vast number of times, each time using a different draw from the distribution of the exogenous variables and parameters. This also implicitly means that many runs will effectively use a different model structure:when some adjustment parameter happens to be zero in a given ‘draw’, that’s like running the model – for that run – without the adjustment mechanism.

    Anyhow .. .all of that was the topic of my (quasi-abandoned) PhD, and was the thing that forced me to confront the problem of uncertainty quantification in numerical modelling… and eventually led me to abandon economic forecasting as a result: when the entire domain of stochastic variation is explored, the resulting forecast bounds are so wide that neither the sign nor the magnitude of forecast changed are statistically meaningful.

    (This problem is orders of magnitude more important in climate modelling, where the system is more complex, more nonlinear, and forecasts are performed over even longer timeframes: climate models are theological instruments)

    OK… now to the voting references – read them or don’t. Who doesn’t read them can continue to support democracy because of deliberate ignorance; who reads them and continues to support democracy is a charlatan.

    VOTING A SHIBBOLETH – or: References to Dispel the Myth of Democracy-as-Solution

    Note that all of the following references deal with the impossibility of social preference determination under conditions of full information. Adding uncertainty (e.g., the possibility that politicians lie in order to attract votes; the odds that they renege; the uncertainty of actual future outcomes and costs of policy) makes the problem worse, even if you try to model government intervention actuarially (i.e. ,as a form of insurance).

    Arrow Impossibility Theorem

    If there are 3 or more possible options, no ranked-voting electoral system can convert the ranked preferences of individuals into a community-wide (complete, transitive) ranking while satisfying: ① unrestricted domain; ② non-dictatorship; ③ Pareto efficiency, and ④ independence of irrelevant alternatives.

    Arrow (1950). “A Difficulty in the Concept of Social WelfareJournal of Political Economy 58 (4): 328–346

    Geanakoplos, John (2005). “Three Brief Proofs of Arrow’s Impossibility TheoremEconomic Theory 26 (1): 211–215

    Gibbard’s Theorem

    If there are 3 or more possible options and preference expression is ‘straightforward’ (no tactical voting) then the system is dictatorial (one voter’s preferences always wins)

    Gibbard (1973). “Manipulation of voting schemes: a general resultEconometrica 41 (4): 587–601.

    Gibbard-Satterthwaite Theorem

    Similar to Gibbard’s Theorem, but restricted to ordinal voting

    Gibbard (1973). “Manipulation of voting schemes: a general resultEconometrica 41 (4): 587–601.

    Satterthwaite (April 1975). “Strategy-proofness and Arrow’s Conditions: Existence and Correspondence Theorems for Voting Procedures and Social Welfare FunctionsJournal of Economic Theory 10: 187–217.

    Duggan-Schwarz Theorem

    Similar to G-S, but for non-empty SET of winners as opposed to single winner – e.g., voting in the Australian Senate

    J. Duggan and T. Schwartz, “Strategic manipulability is inescapable: Gibbard–Satterthwaite without resoluteness”, Working Papers 817, California Institute of Technology, Division of the Humanities and Social Sciences, 1992.

    J. Duggan & T. Schwartz (2000). “Strategic manipulability without resoluteness or shared beliefs: Gibbard–Satterthwaite generalized”. Social Choice and Welfare. 17: 85–93. doi:10.1007/PL00007177.

    Alan D. Taylor, “The manipulability of voting systems”, The American Mathematical Monthly, April 2002. JSTOR 2695497

    Alan D. Taylor, “Social Choice and the Mathematics of Manipulation”, Cambridge University Press, 1st edition (2005), ISBN 0-521-00883-2. Chapter 4: Non-resolute voting rules.

    Holmström’s Theorem

    No incentive system exists for a team of agents, that jointly satisfies ① Pareto Efficiency; ② [Bayes-]Nash Equilibrium, and ③ adherence to a budget constraint

    Bengt Holmström, “Moral Hazard in Teams”, The Bell Journal of Economics 13, no. 2 (1982), pp. 324–340. JSTOR 3003457

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    "These ‘eudaemonic’ objectives … they are to be determined by whom, exactly?"

    I inquired of this earlier in the thread. It is the first question I would have to have answered. I've had enough of the state, it's administrators and bureaucrats to last me 3 lifetimes. Enough is enough. I'm all for decentralization and respect for property rights.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You should be above appealing to that tiny portion of your readership which will cheer at your "same crop of single-minded, goal driven narcissistic sociopaths that currently dominate political life everywhere on the planet". Mind you it is intriguing to try and construe your words so one can one say "well OK, maybe", and, equally, more specifically, to work out what you may mean by "goal driven". Indeed what goals drive them, even some particularly potent coterie?

    If you were to allege that most democracies are beyond the competence of politicians to manage with acceptable competence I would agree with you and point to the remarkable good fortune that allows Australia, Canada and New Zealand to be decently governable by the politicians we elect, for the time being anyway. (Thank you China). But where do your wild words come from. You look at the former Minister of Finance Kelly O'Dwyer retiring from Parliament in her early 40s so she can bear and raise more children. An exception to "narcissistic sociopaths" perhaps. No, you are not serious. Shorten and his CMFEU backers maybe but you can't really pin it on our worthy Pentecostal PM (though that is a bit wacky on the face of it, isn't it?). Aha, Clive Palmer, but with luck he's finished. Nah, you can't be serious.
  • @Dieter Kief
    There were lots of discussions in Switzerland over the years whether their direct democracy is cost-effective. Because the process which leads to decisions is much slower than in many a less democratic society.
    I think the Swiss have a brilliant system even though it is very time - and engagement- and energy and motivation and good-will - - - consuming. It does not matter, as long as people are motivated to take part in all these decisions about - pension plans, military finances, weapons (!), problems of the farmers and the universities...foreign relations, the construction of new railroad lines or motorways...
    The Swiss theater system is different from the German one, in that it supports more amateur and semi-professional initiatives, whereas the German system is one that is concentrating on the professional staff at the theaters themselves. - Here again: Advantage swiss system. Especially since it helps people to spend their time in a useful and self- and collectively improving way...
    (I could go on...).

    The most helpful structural condition in Switzerland is not that there is a system of UBI (universal basic income), but that the Swiss labor market is working very well and it is very common to have a year or so off - plus and this is also very effective: To work only part-time - lots of people I know in their forties or fifties work 50 or 70% and the rest of the time, they - - are volunteering at sports clubs, or churches, or local non-profit magazines or webzines or in theaters and in communal art-galleries etc.

    i think direct democracy requires constitution bounds..
    and within those constitutional bounds, laws can be
    proposed by the lawyers and legislators.. in full disclosure form.
    and presented to the voters ..

    but in addition to constitutional bounds, should be citizen
    conducted audits, of both the activities of the governors and
    the successes and failures of the governors to accomplish the
    goals set for by law and constitution.

    Any time an audit fails to pass a governors activities to be
    within acceptable norms of legal conduct the governor shall
    be required to step down.. and to report to a court to answer
    charges.

    Personal participation in direct democracy should require that the
    voter pass a relevant points test taken directly from the proposal
    document, and then vote..

    Auditors should audit each law, its impact and application and present
    the findings in full disclosure documents on line for all to see.

    Amendments the constitution should be one subject one point at a time.
    would sure like to see something like this in America

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    "Any time an audit fails to pass a governors activities to be
    within acceptable norms of legal conduct the governor shall
    be required to step down.. and to report to a court to answer
    charges."

    In America? Hahahahahahahh.....Stop it, you're killing me.

    In today's America, no one, absolutely no one in power is held accountable for anything. Bankster fraud not only goes unpunished, it is handsomely rewarded. And even mentioning the prospect of our Congress being audited is suspiciously unpatriotic.
  • @donald j tingle
    Eudaimonic economics is free market economics.

    History tells the tale, as does theory.

    Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. Inflationary monetary policy has been doctrine in the US for decades. The ills attributed to capitalism are mostly caused by this one pernicious policy.

    I think Mill beat you to it. You should give credit where it is due.

    Define natural

  • @Ron Unz
    Actually, I think an even more obvious point is that much of the MSM focuses on "economic growth" rather than "per capita economic growth," which is just totally ridiculous.

    Here's a relevant comment I made a few years ago:

    Actually, I think this relates to whether or not a country is ruled by an insular extractive elite.

    Suppose you double the population of a country but everyone is 30% poorer than before. Obviously, that’s very bad for the people given the huge rise in poverty.

    However, from the perspective of a ruling extractive elite, the total wealth of the country is (0.7 * 2.0 = 1.4) 40% greater than before. So if a fixed-size elite is just skimming off a big chunk of everything from the top, they’re 40% wealthier. Sounds great to them! (This simple incentive structure may obviously also be enhanced by all sorts of political or military/strategic objectives.)

    So whereas the ruling elite in China for various reasons, both positive and negative, seems to focus on keeping the population roughly stable and raising per capita income as rapidly as possible, the American ruling elite is more concerned with raising the total wealth of the country even if the per capita income of most ordinary individuals is stagnant or even declining.

    This is not an encouraging situation.

    Meanwhile, no one should be surprised that the perspective of economists is closely associated with who pays their salaries and controls their grants. After all, isn’t personal economic self-interest the fundamental assumption of modern economics?
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-conventional-wisdom-in-a-nutshell/#comment-928901

    Yeah GDP is but one proxy number, it’s like pretending you’re financially healthy because of your individual credit score.

  • @Dieter Kief
    There were lots of discussions in Switzerland over the years whether their direct democracy is cost-effective. Because the process which leads to decisions is much slower than in many a less democratic society.
    I think the Swiss have a brilliant system even though it is very time - and engagement- and energy and motivation and good-will - - - consuming. It does not matter, as long as people are motivated to take part in all these decisions about - pension plans, military finances, weapons (!), problems of the farmers and the universities...foreign relations, the construction of new railroad lines or motorways...
    The Swiss theater system is different from the German one, in that it supports more amateur and semi-professional initiatives, whereas the German system is one that is concentrating on the professional staff at the theaters themselves. - Here again: Advantage swiss system. Especially since it helps people to spend their time in a useful and self- and collectively improving way...
    (I could go on...).

    The most helpful structural condition in Switzerland is not that there is a system of UBI (universal basic income), but that the Swiss labor market is working very well and it is very common to have a year or so off - plus and this is also very effective: To work only part-time - lots of people I know in their forties or fifties work 50 or 70% and the rest of the time, they - - are volunteering at sports clubs, or churches, or local non-profit magazines or webzines or in theaters and in communal art-galleries etc.

    To be fair, the amount of foreign money in Swiss banks must help a lot for Swiss citizens to take some time off. Just like Cuba is helped much more by rum, sugar, tobacco, abortions, and tourism, than by their system.
    But yes, democracy is going more direct in general, specially as the current system is fossilized.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Banking is a minor thing nowadays in Switzerland - GDP wise a small sector, compared to Guernsey, for example - or even compared to London, and is in the same region as in Holland or the US - ca. 6% of the GDP. - The Swiss economy is a healthy mix of industry (they are building trains for example in Switzerland, and export them all over Europe...), chemistry, medicine, power plants, services, insurance, science, banking, tourism ... -and even the Swiss farmers are doing well. It's a miracle, by and large (Switzerland was so poor in many regions, that it was quite common to send Swiss kids to Southern Germany during summertime for work & eat(this lasted until the 1960ies!). Swiss hunger-migrants settled in southern German villages, near Heidelberg, for example - and in Southern America and in the US - especially in the 17th (Southern Germany) and 18th century.
  • @Dieter Kief
    Happiness is a tricky thing - it's like your lost glasses: As soon as you know where they are, you realize, that you stand on them - and have crushed them (Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach once remarked that. Dylan was on the same track: "I don't seek pleasure, because pleasure causes pain" +; "Happiness is not on my list of priorities."- ).

    Erich Fromm is very much in favor of eudaimonic strivings and says, it's very much ok to be ok and feel good but - don't look at happiness as your main goal.

    With a little Kantian philosophical bravery, one could say, that to emphasize personal happiness implies the risk (or even the mindset), which lets us look at others (and ourselves!) as objects = as means.

    But this is completely wrong in Kant's cold eye because people should never look at themselves (or others) as pure means, but always as an end in themselves. - To look upon happiness as your main goal can make you behave in quite unreasonable and inhuman ways. (Now I think of the EAGLES' Hotel California: Her mind is Tiffany twisted, she's got the Mercedes bends (...) They stab it with their steely knives/ But they just can't kill the beast.

    A few more in no special order: Happiness is a Warm Gun (= and that's why it hurts? =) Lennon/McCartney.

    Peterson and Zizek debated happiness and Zizek ended up criticizing Marx (and communism) for leaning too much towards happiness, because the concept (still Zizek) implies an otherworldly quality (that's now me, basically), which constitutes happiness at its very core and which at the same time gets lost, as soon, as you actively try to get a hold of it. Peterson agreed with Zizek; he puts this thought this way: We can't make ourselves happy.

    Heinrich Heine had this joyous idea to fantasize of a situation, where there are plenty of sugar-peas for everybody - but, Heine makes one exception in his long poem Germany - a Winter's Fairy Tale which could be read as a counter-argument to the universal basic income: The lazy have no right to participate in the superfluous moments of joy - which are possible - - for lots and lots of us, but should just not be granted to the lazy, because those endanger the whole affair.

    There is a thin white line, which separates reality from play, says Schiller, and you have to understand, that the realm of true freedom and happiness is - the realm of those who play - or are at play. - This is, why it is so important, to cultivate such realms where people do really play.

    Professional sports embody two sides of Schiller's play problem: The perfect side - and the side of the means (yep, Schiller was a Kantian). To earn money is an earnest thing - no way around this insight.

    Don’t ya know that happiness

    Is a warm gun?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    ...we've been staying in bed for a week (Lennon/Yoko Ono) - We were trying to get us some peace...

    Lennon was more sex than gun oriented (and the rest of the Beatles even more so), Commandante Che!

  • Apparently the two best indicators of human happiness are being employed and being married.

    What does economic growth contribute to employment and marriage?

    Not much if your job is outsourced. Your ex-corporation may be making record profits and adding to GDP, but you’re unemployed and you’re not such a great marriage prospect. Ditto if you’re forced onto minimum waged by immigrant labour.

    As Dieter Kief points out above, the Swiss seem to get it right with their local democracy.

    They all participate in issue by issue decisions (not least on how to spend their own tax money) and it’s local people organizing society to benefit themselves . If the United States ran local democracy , Special Interests would starve, there would be no power in Washington, and no votes for sending local tax money to Israel.

    • Agree: Che Guava, ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    The Swiss people are largely decentralized from the government. The residents of the cantons hold great power and authority (rightly and properly, IMO) in whom they allow to move in. Something I wish we saw more of here in America...

    I have heard that there are some changes on these fronts to cause some members of Swiss society concern though. I haven't verified it but it wouldn't surprise me if true; do-gooders and busybodies have always been disrupters of peace.
    , @Che Guava
    They are also armed, by obligation.
  • @BengaliCanadianDude
    Do the Cubans tell you that? Not reliable. Self reported stats passed on by commies? I'll pass. Oh and stop reiterating the same line thrice in the same comment. I don't think of you much intellectually, but please. At least try

    As some see it Cuba and Haiti have the best standards of living. Ask some Cubans about the struggles to eat a single egg daily. They have ideal health care but for some reason are constantly begging for care packages, e.g bandages, hypodermic needles, over the counter drugs. The Cuban government also touts a mid ranged yearly earnings (in fact about $20 per month).

    • Replies: @animalogic
    Don't forget the 70 odd years of sanctions that Cuba has suffered. I believe Mr maga is reinstating the few sanctions that had been lifted.
    How the US loves it's illegal sanctions....
  • @Ron Unz
    Actually, I think an even more obvious point is that much of the MSM focuses on "economic growth" rather than "per capita economic growth," which is just totally ridiculous.

    Here's a relevant comment I made a few years ago:

    Actually, I think this relates to whether or not a country is ruled by an insular extractive elite.

    Suppose you double the population of a country but everyone is 30% poorer than before. Obviously, that’s very bad for the people given the huge rise in poverty.

    However, from the perspective of a ruling extractive elite, the total wealth of the country is (0.7 * 2.0 = 1.4) 40% greater than before. So if a fixed-size elite is just skimming off a big chunk of everything from the top, they’re 40% wealthier. Sounds great to them! (This simple incentive structure may obviously also be enhanced by all sorts of political or military/strategic objectives.)

    So whereas the ruling elite in China for various reasons, both positive and negative, seems to focus on keeping the population roughly stable and raising per capita income as rapidly as possible, the American ruling elite is more concerned with raising the total wealth of the country even if the per capita income of most ordinary individuals is stagnant or even declining.

    This is not an encouraging situation.

    Meanwhile, no one should be surprised that the perspective of economists is closely associated with who pays their salaries and controls their grants. After all, isn’t personal economic self-interest the fundamental assumption of modern economics?
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-conventional-wisdom-in-a-nutshell/#comment-928901

    Simple and convincing = a perfect argument.

  • If taxes are an investment in MAGA (…), then we as citizen investors (in our country’s/children’s future), should be allowed to invest in the area (and sub-area) of government where it would be most eudaimonic 😉 .
    Investors in a capitalist or fascist society that aren’t allowed to invest as they see fit are vassals.

    When will form 1040 long and ez have check-off boxes, and comment areas for the dept and sub dept and concept to invest in; with percentages?

    Likewise, tax any and lobbyists at 100%. A democracy for the investors doesn’t need liers to bend our representative’s ears, but if they want to talk – let them pay!

    Citizen’s United showed us money is speech; if so every citizen investor should be allowed their speech to be elucidatory.

  • Actually, I think an even more obvious point is that much of the MSM focuses on “economic growth” rather than “per capita economic growth,” which is just totally ridiculous.

    Here’s a relevant comment I made a few years ago:

    Actually, I think this relates to whether or not a country is ruled by an insular extractive elite.

    Suppose you double the population of a country but everyone is 30% poorer than before. Obviously, that’s very bad for the people given the huge rise in poverty.

    However, from the perspective of a ruling extractive elite, the total wealth of the country is (0.7 * 2.0 = 1.4) 40% greater than before. So if a fixed-size elite is just skimming off a big chunk of everything from the top, they’re 40% wealthier. Sounds great to them! (This simple incentive structure may obviously also be enhanced by all sorts of political or military/strategic objectives.)

    So whereas the ruling elite in China for various reasons, both positive and negative, seems to focus on keeping the population roughly stable and raising per capita income as rapidly as possible, the American ruling elite is more concerned with raising the total wealth of the country even if the per capita income of most ordinary individuals is stagnant or even declining.

    This is not an encouraging situation.

    Meanwhile, no one should be surprised that the perspective of economists is closely associated with who pays their salaries and controls their grants. After all, isn’t personal economic self-interest the fundamental assumption of modern economics?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-conventional-wisdom-in-a-nutshell/#comment-928901

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Simple and convincing = a perfect argument.
    , @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    Yeah GDP is but one proxy number, it's like pretending you're financially healthy because of your individual credit score.
  • @Dieter Kief
    Happiness is a tricky thing - it's like your lost glasses: As soon as you know where they are, you realize, that you stand on them - and have crushed them (Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach once remarked that. Dylan was on the same track: "I don't seek pleasure, because pleasure causes pain" +; "Happiness is not on my list of priorities."- ).

    Erich Fromm is very much in favor of eudaimonic strivings and says, it's very much ok to be ok and feel good but - don't look at happiness as your main goal.

    With a little Kantian philosophical bravery, one could say, that to emphasize personal happiness implies the risk (or even the mindset), which lets us look at others (and ourselves!) as objects = as means.

    But this is completely wrong in Kant's cold eye because people should never look at themselves (or others) as pure means, but always as an end in themselves. - To look upon happiness as your main goal can make you behave in quite unreasonable and inhuman ways. (Now I think of the EAGLES' Hotel California: Her mind is Tiffany twisted, she's got the Mercedes bends (...) They stab it with their steely knives/ But they just can't kill the beast.

    A few more in no special order: Happiness is a Warm Gun (= and that's why it hurts? =) Lennon/McCartney.

    Peterson and Zizek debated happiness and Zizek ended up criticizing Marx (and communism) for leaning too much towards happiness, because the concept (still Zizek) implies an otherworldly quality (that's now me, basically), which constitutes happiness at its very core and which at the same time gets lost, as soon, as you actively try to get a hold of it. Peterson agreed with Zizek; he puts this thought this way: We can't make ourselves happy.

    Heinrich Heine had this joyous idea to fantasize of a situation, where there are plenty of sugar-peas for everybody - but, Heine makes one exception in his long poem Germany - a Winter's Fairy Tale which could be read as a counter-argument to the universal basic income: The lazy have no right to participate in the superfluous moments of joy - which are possible - - for lots and lots of us, but should just not be granted to the lazy, because those endanger the whole affair.

    There is a thin white line, which separates reality from play, says Schiller, and you have to understand, that the realm of true freedom and happiness is - the realm of those who play - or are at play. - This is, why it is so important, to cultivate such realms where people do really play.

    Professional sports embody two sides of Schiller's play problem: The perfect side - and the side of the means (yep, Schiller was a Kantian). To earn money is an earnest thing - no way around this insight.

    A few problems with the translation, but otherwise OK.

  • @obwandiyag
    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Grow up.

    Do the Cubans tell you that? Not reliable. Self reported stats passed on by commies? I’ll pass. Oh and stop reiterating the same line thrice in the same comment. I don’t think of you much intellectually, but please. At least try

    • Replies: @Patricus
    As some see it Cuba and Haiti have the best standards of living. Ask some Cubans about the struggles to eat a single egg daily. They have ideal health care but for some reason are constantly begging for care packages, e.g bandages, hypodermic needles, over the counter drugs. The Cuban government also touts a mid ranged yearly earnings (in fact about $20 per month).
  • It is refreshing to read this article. Thank you for presenting it to us.

    The First Commandment of Economics appears to be this:

    Thou shalt grow.

    This is expressed as the author correctly states: “The consensus among political and economic leaders today is that we must maximize economic growth.”

    To what end?

    Where is the economic theory that seeks Happiness? Where is the economist who will honestly project-forward-in-time his own work, enough to argue for a way to live and produce without growing to Malthusian limits?

    Furthermore:

    Longevity ≠ Happiness

    Average human lifespans around the world are all are within one magnitude of each other. If we want to measure real differences along a longevity scale, then we need to look at generations, not years.

    The only place where we find a real increase in the number of simultaneously living generations is in one situation: among sub-populations of people who are living in developed countries but who normally would be living in the kinds of less-developed countries that their own people maintain themselves.

    Shorter times between generations occur within populations whose youthful pregnancies normally occur in the less wealthy countries where they normally live. Only in developed nations do those people have the longevity to normally know their own great grandparents.

    Happiness is one of the stated goals in significant human thought, for example “the pursuit of happiness” mentioned in The Declaration of Independence. No one has ever sanely stated “growth” as a goal or right or anything of significance.

  • @Gary
    With AI and robots most of us are or will be redundant. Our
    genocidal, parasitic rulers will exterminate us to maximize
    their enjoyment of peon-free, pristine world. The 1% for 5000
    years have brutally exploit the 99%. Our rulers are not going
    to keep us around if we are unnecessary to maintain their lifestyles.
    They're not our friends.

    Well, maybe all is not lost.
    DNA Watson – always good for a soundbyte – dropped a little heresy the other day to the effect that maybe – just maybe – the entire bell curve is necessary for society to function because
    “the smart do not an army make” ;b

  • Gary says:

    With AI and robots most of us are or will be redundant. Our
    genocidal, parasitic rulers will exterminate us to maximize
    their enjoyment of peon-free, pristine world. The 1% for 5000
    years have brutally exploit the 99%. Our rulers are not going
    to keep us around if we are unnecessary to maintain their lifestyles.
    They’re not our friends.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    Well, maybe all is not lost.
    DNA Watson - always good for a soundbyte - dropped a little heresy the other day to the effect that maybe - just maybe - the entire bell curve is necessary for society to function because
    "the smart do not an army make" ;b
    , @animalogic
    You are essentially correct, Gary. Question is -- will they fuck things up so badly in the mean time that they'll actually get their hands burnt feeding us to Moloch? (ie environmental collapse, nuclear war etc)
  • @James N. Kennett

    IIRC Aristoteles held that states, “like tools and animals”, had a “natural size” above and below which they lost their functional qualities.
    A few years later Peter Prince Kropotkin (Tsar´s butler and aristo-anarchist) took up the idea and refined it … anything bigger than the polis (or duchy, in more Germanic terms) is of inner necessity unfree because accountability is lost (It seems to be a biological threshold like the maximum number of 12 for informal hierarchies – Otto Koenig).
     
    This is an interesting idea. Consider the EU - how can such a large unit be governed? You wake up one day and find that while preaching brotherly love it has impoverished entire countries (the poorer and less prudent members of Euroland); or it has participated in a coup in Ukraine.

    The EU is an excellent example.

    You have to understand it is first and foremost an instrument for holding down Germany (a kind of Versailles-lite).
    Germany, Austria and Finland (sound familiar?) are the only net payers.
    (IOW the Brexiteers flat out lied)
    The PIGS were lured into the euro for their votes, on the promise the Germans would pay anyway.
    The Germans were told the cheap credit would enable the PIGS to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. The predictable/inevitable happened and they spent the cheap credit on gibs – which is now piling up faster than ever because they cannot devaluate. The Germans are getting fed up with having to pay AND getting demonstrated against, and only the banksters get fat.
    (I should probably note Deutsche Bank is about as deutsch as Drafi Deutscher)

    With Ukraine, it is worse. A third of the “European” parliament is of Soros´tribe, another third wholly-owned and the rest are cowed.

    Some “union” indeed.

  • @James N. Kennett

    IIRC Aristoteles held that states, “like tools and animals”, had a “natural size” above and below which they lost their functional qualities.
    A few years later Peter Prince Kropotkin (Tsar´s butler and aristo-anarchist) took up the idea and refined it … anything bigger than the polis (or duchy, in more Germanic terms) is of inner necessity unfree because accountability is lost (It seems to be a biological threshold like the maximum number of 12 for informal hierarchies – Otto Koenig).
     
    This is an interesting idea. Consider the EU - how can such a large unit be governed? You wake up one day and find that while preaching brotherly love it has impoverished entire countries (the poorer and less prudent members of Euroland); or it has participated in a coup in Ukraine.

    To be a coherent geopolitical (and potentially federal) unit, really it should not have gone beyond the Founding Six (ex-Carolingian space). Instead we have a squishy trade bloc and this will not change for the foreseeable future.

  • @obwandiyag
    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Grow up.

    Why do you repeat the same sentence three times? This isn’t Twitter.

  • @onebornfree
    Guillaume Durocher says: "As a practical example, eudaimonic economics would (re)distribute wealth insofar as this promoted public goods such as collective survival, social stability, civic solidarity, and maximization of each individual’s potential. On these grounds, assuming the society had the means to do so, eudaimonic economics would (re)distribute wealth to ensure all citizens have their basic biological needs met – food, clothing, housing, healthcare – and would give them educational and professional opportunities to fulfill their individual potential."

    Guillaume Durocher says: "Are eudaimonic economics possible? Are they realistic? I believe so. The European Union has mulled various measures to go “beyond GDP” in the setting of socio-economic goals. Andrew Yang’s proposal of a Universal Basic Income of $1000 per month for all Americans could go in this direction,[2] as this means redistribution in order to meet basic human needs in the face of obsolescence, "

    Big picture: This article is just yet another egregious example of the redistributionist fantasies of the left.

    Basically this guy Durocher is just another welfare statist, dressing up his welfare statism with a fancy term: "eudaimonics" . Yeah, right ! How transparent can you get?

    Lipstick on a pig. Same old socialist B.S. , different name.

    And then we are blessed with some dimbulb commenting that "Eudaimonic economics is free market economics".

    Governments stealing money from people at the point of a gun is "free market economics"?

    Governments creating money out of thin air [via their central banks]to insure a "Universal Basic Income" is "free market economics"?

    Yeah, right! :-)

    The childishly naive, statist/leftist/ socialist/ communist psychology of the author is on full display in this article.

    It basically boils down to total faith in the government: " in order to "improve" society we need the government to take money from the productive, by force, and give to the less productive, but only to such and such degree that I fantasize as being the "correct" amount" .

    As if any government redistribution plan [ let alone anything else a government has done], has ever actually improved society in the long run.

    It should be obvious to anybody who has their head screwed on straight and who closely looks at the world around them that governments never "fix" any social problem- they always make it/them worse, not better.

    The only people who benefit from government redistribution programs are people in the government and the cronies/sycophants around them.

    For society at large, government welfare programs inevitably cause a lowering of the general standard of living via the populations increasing dependency on government handouts over time, as more and more morons and willing slaves decide to go for the "free" goodies, and opt out of actual productive work as a way to improve their lot.

    As the great French economist Frederic Bastiat said:

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”

    And: "Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."– Frederic Bastiat

    Also: "The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic" H.L. Mencken

    "Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure." Robert LeFevre.

    "....the government is not a wealth producer. It’s a wealth destroyer. The government does not create wealth, it destroys, limits, and eats up wealth. That’s really the heart of the matter." Bill Bonner

    "'Everything government touches turns to crap.'" Ringo Starr

    In short: a terrible article written by an extremely naive, childish left wing statist fantasist who has been brainwashed his whole life to believe in and trust the government, when all the evidence in the real world shows that trusting the government is actually the last thing any sane, rational individual needs to be doing.

    No wonder France is in the state its in

    No regards, onebornfree

    Have you studied any of the cultures and histories and stories of indigenous Americans?

  • @Thomm
    Guiamme :

    that while a minimum of material wealth is certainly necessary for a healthy human existence, after a certain level, increased wealth leads to rapidly diminishing returns, if not outright harmfulness.
     
    Obama :

    "After a certain point, you have made enough money."
     
    This is pure leftism. Why not pass a one-child policy while you are at it.

    Why is it “leftism” to notice marginal utility?

  • @Recall Carl
    I have often thought that states ought to abolish their legislatures in favor of direct democracy.

    Voting via home computer would be so easy. The original arguments in favor of representative democracy were centered around difficulty of travel and communication, which computers obviate.

    Lobbying by special interests is the source of all corruption in democracy and would be entirely eliminated.

    I wonder if the Yellow Vests have thought of this question.

    Direct democracy would address many of the problems we face with corporate power and the corrupt bought and paid for politicians they control. Funny how those who somehow seek to solve some of these age old problems inevitably end up dead. “Madman” Muammar Gaddafi is a good example.

    http://www.bahaistudies.net/neurelitism/library/gb1.pdf

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
  • @TG
    Making a simple thing complicated.

    Malthus was right. If people decide to breed like rodents, they and their children will live and die like rodents.

    An ideal society is place like (for now) Canada, Australia, California before the rich jammed 40 million plus people into it... A stable population, abundant resources, and industrial capitalism, yields a high standard of living and ecological stability.

    But the rich want cheap labor. The rich want the easy profits that come from jamming in ever more people. The average person wants an economy that provides abundance to an individual person - the total size of the economy does not matter. The rich want to maximize the entire size of the economy, and their share of it. It is the desire of the rich for cheap labor, and for economic growth for its own sake, that is the problem here.

    Close but no cigar (I mean, of COURSE Malthus was right 🙂 )
    Marx already noted the higher living standard of the American worker but could not for the life of him see the obvious: The American worker, if miserable enough, could always opt for eating paleo, wearing expensive fur and knocking up Injun princesses while the European could not.
    – All your shining examples are of this (highly non-stationary!) kind of what I might call “adiabatic” expansion – no resistance translates to no friction and selection is by external influences.
    Both emigration and expansion select for the assertive and continue to do so as long as the expansion lasts.
    As a result the quintessential American is the robber baron.
    (“What isn´t nailed down is mine. What I can pry loose isn´t nailed down.” – ascribed to J. P. Morgan)
    Hence the hystero-epileptic American reaction to any check on expansion – they actually believe it is blasphemy(!).
    Thanks to this mechanism the US is neither a “nation” nor a “society” but a bubble without internal structure that will inevitably go the way of Little Britain – collapse unto itself, saddled with a shitload of useless eaters and bar anything anyone would want to buy.
    It has begun – the American Dream is no longer “keeping up with the Joneses” but “getting away from the Kundelungus”, ever more dependent on their (imported) cars … just raise gas prices to European levels and see what happens.

    Having agreed (in a way) it is about population pressure and established (I hope) that running away, though natural, is not a long-term solution, I think the problem is twofold.

    The “diminishing returns” curve is not new but still impressive. Really, how much do you need?
    I think this is what M. Durocher meant – the ability to recognize what is enough or, in blunt terms,
    the Kynic quality of being content.
    Take the Affirmative Action Americans: Their living standard overtook the Swedish one around 1985. Are they content?(trick question)
    – Diogenes may be elegant, but unfortunately as un-Darwinian as a twat hatter.

    Second, once you can no longer expand, there are altogether three ways:
    1) WAR
    2) generalized Malthusian misery, famine and pestilence (food production is not usually the limiting factor in developed countries; humans react to the breakdown of their personal perimeter with aimless violence, substance abuse and a host of other things; rats eat their young)
    3) a modus vivendi
    IOW, how have peoples that could or would not expand dealt with this problem?
    (a question everybody thinking about “peace”, “sustainability” or anything “social” bumps into)
    – The German model: State-as-religion, work ethic (non-Calvinist), obedience and, above all, discipline. You are free to find that blah, but it undoubtedly works.
    – The Japanese model: Similar to the German, but older and more refined; art from the Edo period is unsurpassed, as was repression complete with secret police and sword control. Far less agreeable for the average peon than the German.
    – The Chinese model: Fascinating aspects … ever since Ch´in Shi-Huang Ti unified the Empire under Heaven and instated the Public Service Exam – 2500 years! – they have selected for intelligence, industry and conformity, so self-centered they abdicated dominion of the IndoPacific
    when it was theirs to take under Zheng He; what becomes of their “social credit” system remains to be seen but their rise is inevitable – as is the US war on them.
    (in all these cases the coevolution of religion and society is interesting)

    To sum up, you need a reasonably intelligent, domesticated, homogeneous, no-too-high-testosterone populace with a pillar-of-the-state religion stressing complacency.
    Lasciate ogni speranza, America 😀

  • @nokangaroos
    IIRC Aristoteles held that states, "like tools and animals", had a "natural size" above and below which they lost their functional qualities.
    A few years later Peter Prince Kropotkin (Tsar´s butler and aristo-anarchist) took up the idea and refined it ... anything bigger than the polis (or duchy, in more Germanic terms) is of inner necessity unfree because accountability is lost (It seems to be a biological threshold like the maximum number of 12 for informal hierarchies - Otto Koenig).

    This particular little utopia is charming and engaging on many levels ...
    Growth by mitosis, making big wars and borders pointless (sure there would be wars but really surgical ones for a change, local and without undue waste of potences and resources).
    Ostrakismos (lest the wokies get funny ideas, this is a conditio sine qua non; Solon´s - not Drakon´s - law included the death penalty for joblessness (i.e. lack of provable income) and was renewed thrice explicitly because it was "very good")
    GREATLY sped up evolution of thought, science, technology, economics and politics.
    Problems of currency, language and measurements can be overcome as we have seen.
    (except for the metric system, Roman Law and a few other window dressings)

    Speaking of currency, the hard one was a check.
    Philipp II still had France prostrate before him "si no falta el dinero".
    Since then, things have gotten a little out of hand. Easy credit has given us gratuitous wars, debt servitude and unchecked YKW power as well as the reintroduction of "salting the earth".

    Small may be beautiful, but the fiscally, socially and environmentally responsible ("sustainable" in Newspeak) have ALWAYS been punished by the irresponsible, desperate grasshoppers
    (teste Paul Ehrlich and Hulagu Khan ;b)
    And I will not deny economics of size in science and tech.

    Still ... :)

    IIRC Aristoteles held that states, “like tools and animals”, had a “natural size” above and below which they lost their functional qualities.
    A few years later Peter Prince Kropotkin (Tsar´s butler and aristo-anarchist) took up the idea and refined it … anything bigger than the polis (or duchy, in more Germanic terms) is of inner necessity unfree because accountability is lost (It seems to be a biological threshold like the maximum number of 12 for informal hierarchies – Otto Koenig).

    This is an interesting idea. Consider the EU – how can such a large unit be governed? You wake up one day and find that while preaching brotherly love it has impoverished entire countries (the poorer and less prudent members of Euroland); or it has participated in a coup in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
    To be a coherent geopolitical (and potentially federal) unit, really it should not have gone beyond the Founding Six (ex-Carolingian space). Instead we have a squishy trade bloc and this will not change for the foreseeable future.
    , @nokangaroos
    The EU is an excellent example.

    You have to understand it is first and foremost an instrument for holding down Germany (a kind of Versailles-lite).
    Germany, Austria and Finland (sound familiar?) are the only net payers.
    (IOW the Brexiteers flat out lied)
    The PIGS were lured into the euro for their votes, on the promise the Germans would pay anyway.
    The Germans were told the cheap credit would enable the PIGS to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. The predictable/inevitable happened and they spent the cheap credit on gibs - which is now piling up faster than ever because they cannot devaluate. The Germans are getting fed up with having to pay AND getting demonstrated against, and only the banksters get fat.
    (I should probably note Deutsche Bank is about as deutsch as Drafi Deutscher)

    With Ukraine, it is worse. A third of the "European" parliament is of Soros´tribe, another third wholly-owned and the rest are cowed.

    Some "union" indeed.
  • If I had to choose between giving a thousand proletarians cars and funding a Da Vinci-tier genius’ research program, I would not hesitate for one second.

    This is the choice that would be made in a Singaporean benevolent dictatorship. In a democracy, I suspect that people would vote to have the cars.

    We ought to be spending our free time to practice sports and maintain healthy bodies, develop our artistic sensibility and skills, and above all cultivate and train our minds, including the pursuit of science.

    This is a noble idea, but not everyone is as smart as Aristotle. Theodore Dalrymple suggested that Betty Friedan’s “problem that has no name” was women’s inability to make use of their (Aristotlean) leisure. Men would obviously have the same difficulty.

    In areas of high unemployment, people are given enough money to survive, and are not expected to find work. The excess of leisure time may lead some to cultivate their minds, but a greater number turn to drugs or crime.

    Possibly the reason is the wrong kind of personal responsibility. If people are given enough money to survive, and told that they are responsible for managing their leisure and the cultivation of their minds, the result is boredom and chaos. If people are told that they can work as hard as they wish, and spend their earnings however they like, the result is a flourishing but imperfect society.

    The reason may be that we are descended from hunter-gatherers. This heritage is a good match to earning rewards from work, but a poor match to pure leisure.

  • Give the greedy Land.
    Build a wall around it and pour in endless amounts of gold and jewels till they a satiated.

  • “We ought to be spending our free time to practice sports and maintain healthy bodies, develop our artistic sensibility and skills, and above all cultivate and train our minds, including the pursuit of science.”

    Thanks, but I’m getting enough of a workout reinforcing the walls around and renovating and redecorating my chateau.

  • Lucy says:

    Why this obsession with abundance and growth? Do you want a 20-pound dog or a 10-ft (3m) tall child (not to mention 1 billion 3rd worlders polluting Europe)? There’s no need to be Pollyanna to decide less is more and to think beyond materialism and want good relationships at home and in society and time to enjoy them as well as having a little more consideration for Nature. I’ve lived all my adult life in Europe and think they manage this better than Americans do.

  • @Recall Carl
    I have often thought that states ought to abolish their legislatures in favor of direct democracy.

    Voting via home computer would be so easy. The original arguments in favor of representative democracy were centered around difficulty of travel and communication, which computers obviate.

    Lobbying by special interests is the source of all corruption in democracy and would be entirely eliminated.

    I wonder if the Yellow Vests have thought of this question.

    I wonder if the Yellow Vests have thought of this question.

    They do – and they ask for direct democracy!

    Novelist Michel Houellebecq, who somehow saw the Yellow Vests protest coming (!) says, that he very much likes the Swiss system o direct democracy.

  • @Thomm
    Guiamme :

    that while a minimum of material wealth is certainly necessary for a healthy human existence, after a certain level, increased wealth leads to rapidly diminishing returns, if not outright harmfulness.
     
    Obama :

    "After a certain point, you have made enough money."
     
    This is pure leftism. Why not pass a one-child policy while you are at it.

    For certain people, sure.

  • @RJJCDA
    On top of Yang's proposal, I would suggest adding 1% higher for every IQ point above the norm for adults. Lets subsidize INTELLIGENCE. And if some intelligent people become wasteful, so be it. The purpose is to allow the willing geniuses opportunity to think and create. It is an effort to TRULY benefit and advance the species.

    Great idea!

  • @Thomm
    Guiamme :

    that while a minimum of material wealth is certainly necessary for a healthy human existence, after a certain level, increased wealth leads to rapidly diminishing returns, if not outright harmfulness.
     
    Obama :

    "After a certain point, you have made enough money."
     
    This is pure leftism. Why not pass a one-child policy while you are at it.

    Obama: the guy that still charges, and receives, millions, yet hasn’t chosen to live in a mud-hut giving it all away. Wonder why he has never put his money where his mouth is? He didn’t build that!

    My question re: Mr. Durocher’s scenarios is who is doing the deciding of the issues?

    Mr. Durocher, would you be kind enough to answer, please? Thank you.

  • Guillaume Durocher says: “As a practical example, eudaimonic economics would (re)distribute wealth insofar as this promoted public goods such as collective survival, social stability, civic solidarity, and maximization of each individual’s potential. On these grounds, assuming the society had the means to do so, eudaimonic economics would (re)distribute wealth to ensure all citizens have their basic biological needs met – food, clothing, housing, healthcare – and would give them educational and professional opportunities to fulfill their individual potential.”

    Guillaume Durocher says: “Are eudaimonic economics possible? Are they realistic? I believe so. The European Union has mulled various measures to go “beyond GDP” in the setting of socio-economic goals. Andrew Yang’s proposal of a Universal Basic Income of $1000 per month for all Americans could go in this direction,[2] as this means redistribution in order to meet basic human needs in the face of obsolescence, “

    Big picture: This article is just yet another egregious example of the redistributionist fantasies of the left.

    Basically this guy Durocher is just another welfare statist, dressing up his welfare statism with a fancy term: “eudaimonics” . Yeah, right ! How transparent can you get?

    Lipstick on a pig. Same old socialist B.S. , different name.

    And then we are blessed with some dimbulb commenting that “Eudaimonic economics is free market economics”.

    Governments stealing money from people at the point of a gun is “free market economics”?

    Governments creating money out of thin air [via their central banks]to insure a “Universal Basic Income” is “free market economics”?

    Yeah, right! 🙂

    The childishly naive, statist/leftist/ socialist/ communist psychology of the author is on full display in this article.

    It basically boils down to total faith in the government: ” in order to “improve” society we need the government to take money from the productive, by force, and give to the less productive, but only to such and such degree that I fantasize as being the “correct” amount” .

    As if any government redistribution plan [ let alone anything else a government has done], has ever actually improved society in the long run.

    It should be obvious to anybody who has their head screwed on straight and who closely looks at the world around them that governments never “fix” any social problem- they always make it/them worse, not better.

    The only people who benefit from government redistribution programs are people in the government and the cronies/sycophants around them.

    For society at large, government welfare programs inevitably cause a lowering of the general standard of living via the populations increasing dependency on government handouts over time, as more and more morons and willing slaves decide to go for the “free” goodies, and opt out of actual productive work as a way to improve their lot.

    As the great French economist Frederic Bastiat said:

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”

    And: “Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.”– Frederic Bastiat

    Also: “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L. Mencken

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.” Robert LeFevre.

    “….the government is not a wealth producer. It’s a wealth destroyer. The government does not create wealth, it destroys, limits, and eats up wealth. That’s really the heart of the matter.” Bill Bonner

    “‘Everything government touches turns to crap.’” Ringo Starr

    In short: a terrible article written by an extremely naive, childish left wing statist fantasist who has been brainwashed his whole life to believe in and trust the government, when all the evidence in the real world shows that trusting the government is actually the last thing any sane, rational individual needs to be doing.

    No wonder France is in the state its in

    No regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Polemos
    Have you studied any of the cultures and histories and stories of indigenous Americans?
  • The economy of needs vs the economy of wants is how to split the socialist economy and the capitalist economy. Bakunin said the same thing – provide base needs so people can be on an even playing field to then express their creativity maximally. But our systems do this means tested instead of universally, so they end up being stress inducing rather than stress reducing. Iran’s 6.5% of GDP (29% of median wage) UBI is a good first generation go of it.

    • Agree: Guillaume Durocher
  • TG says:

    Making a simple thing complicated.

    Malthus was right. If people decide to breed like rodents, they and their children will live and die like rodents.

    An ideal society is place like (for now) Canada, Australia, California before the rich jammed 40 million plus people into it… A stable population, abundant resources, and industrial capitalism, yields a high standard of living and ecological stability.

    But the rich want cheap labor. The rich want the easy profits that come from jamming in ever more people. The average person wants an economy that provides abundance to an individual person – the total size of the economy does not matter. The rich want to maximize the entire size of the economy, and their share of it. It is the desire of the rich for cheap labor, and for economic growth for its own sake, that is the problem here.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    Close but no cigar (I mean, of COURSE Malthus was right :) )
    Marx already noted the higher living standard of the American worker but could not for the life of him see the obvious: The American worker, if miserable enough, could always opt for eating paleo, wearing expensive fur and knocking up Injun princesses while the European could not.
    - All your shining examples are of this (highly non-stationary!) kind of what I might call "adiabatic" expansion - no resistance translates to no friction and selection is by external influences.
    Both emigration and expansion select for the assertive and continue to do so as long as the expansion lasts.
    As a result the quintessential American is the robber baron.
    ("What isn´t nailed down is mine. What I can pry loose isn´t nailed down." - ascribed to J. P. Morgan)
    Hence the hystero-epileptic American reaction to any check on expansion - they actually believe it is blasphemy(!).
    Thanks to this mechanism the US is neither a "nation" nor a "society" but a bubble without internal structure that will inevitably go the way of Little Britain - collapse unto itself, saddled with a shitload of useless eaters and bar anything anyone would want to buy.
    It has begun - the American Dream is no longer "keeping up with the Joneses" but "getting away from the Kundelungus", ever more dependent on their (imported) cars ... just raise gas prices to European levels and see what happens.

    Having agreed (in a way) it is about population pressure and established (I hope) that running away, though natural, is not a long-term solution, I think the problem is twofold.

    The "diminishing returns" curve is not new but still impressive. Really, how much do you need?
    I think this is what M. Durocher meant - the ability to recognize what is enough or, in blunt terms,
    the Kynic quality of being content.
    Take the Affirmative Action Americans: Their living standard overtook the Swedish one around 1985. Are they content?(trick question)
    - Diogenes may be elegant, but unfortunately as un-Darwinian as a twat hatter.

    Second, once you can no longer expand, there are altogether three ways:
    1) WAR
    2) generalized Malthusian misery, famine and pestilence (food production is not usually the limiting factor in developed countries; humans react to the breakdown of their personal perimeter with aimless violence, substance abuse and a host of other things; rats eat their young)
    3) a modus vivendi
    IOW, how have peoples that could or would not expand dealt with this problem?
    (a question everybody thinking about "peace", "sustainability" or anything "social" bumps into)
    - The German model: State-as-religion, work ethic (non-Calvinist), obedience and, above all, discipline. You are free to find that blah, but it undoubtedly works.
    - The Japanese model: Similar to the German, but older and more refined; art from the Edo period is unsurpassed, as was repression complete with secret police and sword control. Far less agreeable for the average peon than the German.
    - The Chinese model: Fascinating aspects ... ever since Ch´in Shi-Huang Ti unified the Empire under Heaven and instated the Public Service Exam - 2500 years! - they have selected for intelligence, industry and conformity, so self-centered they abdicated dominion of the IndoPacific
    when it was theirs to take under Zheng He; what becomes of their "social credit" system remains to be seen but their rise is inevitable - as is the US war on them.
    (in all these cases the coevolution of religion and society is interesting)

    To sum up, you need a reasonably intelligent, domesticated, homogeneous, no-too-high-testosterone populace with a pillar-of-the-state religion stressing complacency.
    Lasciate ogni speranza, America :D
  • Guiamme :

    that while a minimum of material wealth is certainly necessary for a healthy human existence, after a certain level, increased wealth leads to rapidly diminishing returns, if not outright harmfulness.

    Obama :

    “After a certain point, you have made enough money.”

    This is pure leftism. Why not pass a one-child policy while you are at it.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    Obama: the guy that still charges, and receives, millions, yet hasn't chosen to live in a mud-hut giving it all away. Wonder why he has never put his money where his mouth is? He didn't build that!

    My question re: Mr. Durocher's scenarios is who is doing the deciding of the issues?

    Mr. Durocher, would you be kind enough to answer, please? Thank you.
    , @Guillaume Durocher
    For certain people, sure.
    , @Polemos
    Why is it "leftism" to notice marginal utility?
  • @Dieter Kief
    There were lots of discussions in Switzerland over the years whether their direct democracy is cost-effective. Because the process which leads to decisions is much slower than in many a less democratic society.
    I think the Swiss have a brilliant system even though it is very time - and engagement- and energy and motivation and good-will - - - consuming. It does not matter, as long as people are motivated to take part in all these decisions about - pension plans, military finances, weapons (!), problems of the farmers and the universities...foreign relations, the construction of new railroad lines or motorways...
    The Swiss theater system is different from the German one, in that it supports more amateur and semi-professional initiatives, whereas the German system is one that is concentrating on the professional staff at the theaters themselves. - Here again: Advantage swiss system. Especially since it helps people to spend their time in a useful and self- and collectively improving way...
    (I could go on...).

    The most helpful structural condition in Switzerland is not that there is a system of UBI (universal basic income), but that the Swiss labor market is working very well and it is very common to have a year or so off - plus and this is also very effective: To work only part-time - lots of people I know in their forties or fifties work 50 or 70% and the rest of the time, they - - are volunteering at sports clubs, or churches, or local non-profit magazines or webzines or in theaters and in communal art-galleries etc.

    I have often thought that states ought to abolish their legislatures in favor of direct democracy.

    Voting via home computer would be so easy. The original arguments in favor of representative democracy were centered around difficulty of travel and communication, which computers obviate.

    Lobbying by special interests is the source of all corruption in democracy and would be entirely eliminated.

    I wonder if the Yellow Vests have thought of this question.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    I wonder if the Yellow Vests have thought of this question.
     
    They do - and they ask for direct democracy!

    Novelist Michel Houellebecq, who somehow saw the Yellow Vests protest coming (!) says, that he very much likes the Swiss system o direct democracy.

    , @Johnny Walker Read
    Direct democracy would address many of the problems we face with corporate power and the corrupt bought and paid for politicians they control. Funny how those who somehow seek to solve some of these age old problems inevitably end up dead. "Madman" Muammar Gaddafi is a good example.

    http://www.bahaistudies.net/neurelitism/library/gb1.pdf
  • On top of Yang’s proposal, I would suggest adding 1% higher for every IQ point above the norm for adults. Lets subsidize INTELLIGENCE. And if some intelligent people become wasteful, so be it. The purpose is to allow the willing geniuses opportunity to think and create. It is an effort to TRULY benefit and advance the species.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
    Great idea!
  • @Guillaume Durocher
    I've not read Mill. I personally prefer eudaimonic to hedonistic or idealistic ethics. I tend to think "the greatest happiness of the greatest number" is too liable to be interpreted in a vulgar sense, i.e. mass comfort as our highest aim.

    Happiness is a tricky thing – it’s like your lost glasses: As soon as you know where they are, you realize, that you stand on them – and have crushed them (Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach once remarked that. Dylan was on the same track: “I don’t seek pleasure, because pleasure causes pain” +; “Happiness is not on my list of priorities.”- ).

    Erich Fromm is very much in favor of eudaimonic strivings and says, it’s very much ok to be ok and feel good but – don’t look at happiness as your main goal.

    With a little Kantian philosophical bravery, one could say, that to emphasize personal happiness implies the risk (or even the mindset), which lets us look at others (and ourselves!) as objects = as means.

    But this is completely wrong in Kant’s cold eye because people should never look at themselves (or others) as pure means, but always as an end in themselves. – To look upon happiness as your main goal can make you behave in quite unreasonable and inhuman ways. (Now I think of the EAGLES’ Hotel California: Her mind is Tiffany twisted, she’s got the Mercedes bends (…) They stab it with their steely knives/ But they just can’t kill the beast.

    A few more in no special order: Happiness is a Warm Gun (= and that’s why it hurts? =) Lennon/McCartney.

    Peterson and Zizek debated happiness and Zizek ended up criticizing Marx (and communism) for leaning too much towards happiness, because the concept (still Zizek) implies an otherworldly quality (that’s now me, basically), which constitutes happiness at its very core and which at the same time gets lost, as soon, as you actively try to get a hold of it. Peterson agreed with Zizek; he puts this thought this way: We can’t make ourselves happy.

    Heinrich Heine had this joyous idea to fantasize of a situation, where there are plenty of sugar-peas for everybody – but, Heine makes one exception in his long poem Germany – a Winter’s Fairy Tale which could be read as a counter-argument to the universal basic income: The lazy have no right to participate in the superfluous moments of joy – which are possible – – for lots and lots of us, but should just not be granted to the lazy, because those endanger the whole affair.

    There is a thin white line, which separates reality from play, says Schiller, and you have to understand, that the realm of true freedom and happiness is – the realm of those who play – or are at play. – This is, why it is so important, to cultivate such realms where people do really play.

    Professional sports embody two sides of Schiller’s play problem: The perfect side – and the side of the means (yep, Schiller was a Kantian). To earn money is an earnest thing – no way around this insight.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    A few problems with the translation, but otherwise OK.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icTxEBUdGT8
    , @Che Guava
    Don't ya know that happiness

    Is a warm gun?
  • Excellent idea. Perhaps infinities exist but one should stroll towards them, not run and smell the roses along the way. I suppose this shows my true colors for while I certainly don’t want to get stressed out I also want to move to some selfish, hedonistic version of the Garden of Eden where I can mix my swinish pleasures with the contemplative restraint of an Athenian philosopher.

    Not to joke too much but what will luxury be in the future? What will modest comfort be in the future? If an unemployed European lives better than a king three centuries ago then that European must be living as a king to the commoners of three centuries ago. So then what will modest comfort be three centuries from now? A slaver’s pen or some inconceivable glory?

    I have faith in the Singularity and wish to live as a god, but I am not particularly willing to accept a decorous pace towards that goal though I certainly agree that consumerism is decidedly undignified.

    As you argue there is a real question of whether all our devices constitute true goods. However, if so, it is likely that consumerism is the natural response of a pack of goods starved, opportunity starved Western peasants struggling to swallow a moldy crust of bread before some similarly starved fellow snatches it away. Can we afford eudaimonic dignity in the world as it is even if we need it?

    It would seem that employment as a means of acquiring a living needs to end. People should work for themselves at a leisurely pace in their own businesses or dump the whole mass of economic need after Aristotle onto the backs of a new angelic robotics.

    I am certainly for the latter and I wish to proceed with great haste to such a conclusion kicking any who stand in the way to the curb. So much for decorum. That can come after. Whether you call it money or robotics, the most important thing to buy with the currency at hand is freedom from the ideas and claims of people you do not enjoy. Hell is other people and never more so than now. We live among a general bad. When people become more enjoyable one can sing a different tune.

    For all the rational sensibility of a eudaimonic economics I think a stark raving mad panic to get out of the current age at whatever cost is the more sensible point of view. This age is Hell.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    We are starting to circle the drain, wanttoknow....
  • @donald j tingle
    Eudaimonic economics is free market economics.

    History tells the tale, as does theory.

    Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. Inflationary monetary policy has been doctrine in the US for decades. The ills attributed to capitalism are mostly caused by this one pernicious policy.

    I think Mill beat you to it. You should give credit where it is due.

    I’ve not read Mill. I personally prefer eudaimonic to hedonistic or idealistic ethics. I tend to think “the greatest happiness of the greatest number” is too liable to be interpreted in a vulgar sense, i.e. mass comfort as our highest aim.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Happiness is a tricky thing - it's like your lost glasses: As soon as you know where they are, you realize, that you stand on them - and have crushed them (Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach once remarked that. Dylan was on the same track: "I don't seek pleasure, because pleasure causes pain" +; "Happiness is not on my list of priorities."- ).

    Erich Fromm is very much in favor of eudaimonic strivings and says, it's very much ok to be ok and feel good but - don't look at happiness as your main goal.

    With a little Kantian philosophical bravery, one could say, that to emphasize personal happiness implies the risk (or even the mindset), which lets us look at others (and ourselves!) as objects = as means.

    But this is completely wrong in Kant's cold eye because people should never look at themselves (or others) as pure means, but always as an end in themselves. - To look upon happiness as your main goal can make you behave in quite unreasonable and inhuman ways. (Now I think of the EAGLES' Hotel California: Her mind is Tiffany twisted, she's got the Mercedes bends (...) They stab it with their steely knives/ But they just can't kill the beast.

    A few more in no special order: Happiness is a Warm Gun (= and that's why it hurts? =) Lennon/McCartney.

    Peterson and Zizek debated happiness and Zizek ended up criticizing Marx (and communism) for leaning too much towards happiness, because the concept (still Zizek) implies an otherworldly quality (that's now me, basically), which constitutes happiness at its very core and which at the same time gets lost, as soon, as you actively try to get a hold of it. Peterson agreed with Zizek; he puts this thought this way: We can't make ourselves happy.

    Heinrich Heine had this joyous idea to fantasize of a situation, where there are plenty of sugar-peas for everybody - but, Heine makes one exception in his long poem Germany - a Winter's Fairy Tale which could be read as a counter-argument to the universal basic income: The lazy have no right to participate in the superfluous moments of joy - which are possible - - for lots and lots of us, but should just not be granted to the lazy, because those endanger the whole affair.

    There is a thin white line, which separates reality from play, says Schiller, and you have to understand, that the realm of true freedom and happiness is - the realm of those who play - or are at play. - This is, why it is so important, to cultivate such realms where people do really play.

    Professional sports embody two sides of Schiller's play problem: The perfect side - and the side of the means (yep, Schiller was a Kantian). To earn money is an earnest thing - no way around this insight.
  • IIRC Aristoteles held that states, “like tools and animals”, had a “natural size” above and below which they lost their functional qualities.
    A few years later Peter Prince Kropotkin (Tsar´s butler and aristo-anarchist) took up the idea and refined it … anything bigger than the polis (or duchy, in more Germanic terms) is of inner necessity unfree because accountability is lost (It seems to be a biological threshold like the maximum number of 12 for informal hierarchies – Otto Koenig).

    This particular little utopia is charming and engaging on many levels …
    Growth by mitosis, making big wars and borders pointless (sure there would be wars but really surgical ones for a change, local and without undue waste of potences and resources).
    Ostrakismos (lest the wokies get funny ideas, this is a conditio sine qua non; Solon´s – not Drakon´s – law included the death penalty for joblessness (i.e. lack of provable income) and was renewed thrice explicitly because it was “very good”)
    GREATLY sped up evolution of thought, science, technology, economics and politics.
    Problems of currency, language and measurements can be overcome as we have seen.
    (except for the metric system, Roman Law and a few other window dressings)

    Speaking of currency, the hard one was a check.
    Philipp II still had France prostrate before him “si no falta el dinero”.
    Since then, things have gotten a little out of hand. Easy credit has given us gratuitous wars, debt servitude and unchecked YKW power as well as the reintroduction of “salting the earth”.

    Small may be beautiful, but the fiscally, socially and environmentally responsible (“sustainable” in Newspeak) have ALWAYS been punished by the irresponsible, desperate grasshoppers
    (teste Paul Ehrlich and Hulagu Khan ;b)
    And I will not deny economics of size in science and tech.

    Still … 🙂

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett

    IIRC Aristoteles held that states, “like tools and animals”, had a “natural size” above and below which they lost their functional qualities.
    A few years later Peter Prince Kropotkin (Tsar´s butler and aristo-anarchist) took up the idea and refined it … anything bigger than the polis (or duchy, in more Germanic terms) is of inner necessity unfree because accountability is lost (It seems to be a biological threshold like the maximum number of 12 for informal hierarchies – Otto Koenig).
     
    This is an interesting idea. Consider the EU - how can such a large unit be governed? You wake up one day and find that while preaching brotherly love it has impoverished entire countries (the poorer and less prudent members of Euroland); or it has participated in a coup in Ukraine.
  • Eudaimonic economics is free market economics.

    History tells the tale, as does theory.

    Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. Inflationary monetary policy has been doctrine in the US for decades. The ills attributed to capitalism are mostly caused by this one pernicious policy.

    I think Mill beat you to it. You should give credit where it is due.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
    I've not read Mill. I personally prefer eudaimonic to hedonistic or idealistic ethics. I tend to think "the greatest happiness of the greatest number" is too liable to be interpreted in a vulgar sense, i.e. mass comfort as our highest aim.
    , @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    Define natural
    , @animalogic
    "Growth that is the natural consequence of the achievement of individual humans in the effort of satisfaction of their personal desires is good. “Growth” as a result of state stimulus and intervention results in malinvestment and waste, and is the cause of the unnatural inequality that leads to discontent. "
    Nonsense.
    The interaction between public & private "growth" is so intertwined that you basically have a chicken & egg situation.
    The issue is always one of balance.
    , @james charles
    “The focus on equilibrium and prices is due to the hypothetico-axiomatic method, a.k.a. the deductive methodology. The axioms are postulated that people are individualistic and focus on maximising their own satisfaction (named ‘utility’, in honour of Jeremy Bentham, the first economist to argue for the legalisation of the then banned practice of charging interest; Bentham, 1787). Next, a number of assumptions are made: perfect and symmetric information, complete markets, perfect competition, zero transaction costs, no time constraints, fully flexible and instantaneously adjusting prices. McCloskey (1983) has argued that economics has been using mathematical rhetoric to enhance the impression of operating scientifically. Equilibrium will not obtain, if only one of the axioms and assumptions fails to hold. But their accuracy is not tested. Yet, one can estimate the probability of obtaining equilibrium.
    Despite the claims to rigour, the pervasive equilibrium argument and focus on prices reveal a weak grasp of probability mathematics: Since for partial equilibrium in any market, at least the above eight conditions have to be met, if one generously assumed each condition is more likely to hold than not – corresponding to a probability higher than 50%, for instance, 55% – then the probability of equilibrium equals the joint probability of all conditions, which is 0.55 to the power of 8: less than 1%. As the probability of each of the eight conditions being an accurate representation of reality is likely significantly lower than 55% (most having a probability approaching zero themselves), it is apparent that the probability of partial equilibrium in any one market approaches zero (Werner, 2014b). For equilibrium in all markets, these very low probabilities have to be multiplied by each other many times. So we know a priori that partial, let alone general equilibrium cannot be expected in reality. Equilibrium is a theoretical construct unlikely to be observed in practice. This demonstrates that reality is instead characterised by rationed markets. These are not determined by prices, but quantities: In disequilibrium, the short side principle applies: whichever quantity of supply and demand is smaller can be transacted, and the short side has the power to pick and choose with whom to trade (not rarely abusing this market power by extracting ‘rents’, see Werner, 2005).1
    Without equilibrium, quantities become more important than prices.”
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800916307510#bb0295
    , @james charles
    Infrastructure investment spending of the government will increase both the marginal product of labour and capital [New Keynesianism and Aggregate Economic Activity by Assar Lindbeck – Economic Journal, 108, 1998 pp167-80]
    , @james charles
    “This chapter finds that increased public infrastructure investment raises output in both the short and long term, particularly during periods of economic slack and when investment efficiency is high. This suggests that in countries with infrastructure needs, the time is right for an infrastructure push: borrowing costs are low and demand is weak in advanced economies, and there are infrastructure bottlenecks in many emerging market and developing economies. Debt-financed projects could have large output effects without increasing the debt-to-GDP ratio, if clearly identified infrastructure needs are met through efficient investment.”
    “The point estimates in panel 2 of the figure show that higher public investment spending typically reduces the debt-to-GDP ratio both in the short term (by about 0.9 percentage point of GDP) and in the medium term (by about 4 percentage points of GDP), but the decline in debt is statistically significant only in the short term. There is no statistically significant effect on private investment as a share of GDP (panel 3).
    The latter finding suggests the crowding in of private investment, as the level of private investment rises in tandem with the higher GDP as a result of the increase in public investment.
    . . . an increase in public infrastructure investment affects output both in the short term, by boosting aggregate demand through the fiscal multiplier and potentially crowding in private investment, and in the long term, by expanding the productive capacity of the economy with a higher infrastructure stock.”

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2014/02/pdf/c3.pdf
  • Here is the podcast: Robert Stark talks to Anatoly Karlin about Andrew Yang and The War on Normal People Robert Stark is a Yang supporter. You can check out his article "Andrew Yang and the Post-Nationalist Future" at Taki's Mag. Brandon Adamson (website) also participated, but unfortunately he was cut off due to technical problems...
  • @Anon
    JCTC or the Jewish Conspiracy to Censor shuts down Soph, the 14 yr old Youtube personality.

    She is on Bitchute:

    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/RXA1oESUqP1c/

    https://twitter.com/sewernugget/status/1128357388531187713

    https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1128125816498479104

    https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1128106887524655104

    https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1128074193264947205

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1128110010548883456

    https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1128111283339812864

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1123776861081935874

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1128287757959352321

    https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1128363451632508929

    I think it’s even funnier that it’s from Joe “Kill a straight white man on your way to work tomororw” Bernstein.

  • https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-DA266_aristo_HD_20190130102246.jpg Aristotle in blue. The consensus among political and economic leaders today is that we must maximize economic growth. This assumption affects virtually the entire political spectrum, with the exception of a radical minority of anti-growth Greens advocating décroissance (“de-growth”). Everybody would like more money in their personal pocketbook, on their company’s balance sheet, and/or...
  • Hence China’s goal of a moderately prosperous society…

  • Here is the podcast: Robert Stark talks to Anatoly Karlin about Andrew Yang and The War on Normal People Robert Stark is a Yang supporter. You can check out his article "Andrew Yang and the Post-Nationalist Future" at Taki's Mag. Brandon Adamson (website) also participated, but unfortunately he was cut off due to technical problems...
  • Automation has always created jobs as well as wealth. There is no reason to believe this is going to grind to a halt. However, the Juggernaut of progress always crushes area sacrifices as it moves forward.

  • https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-DA266_aristo_HD_20190130102246.jpg Aristotle in blue. The consensus among political and economic leaders today is that we must maximize economic growth. This assumption affects virtually the entire political spectrum, with the exception of a radical minority of anti-growth Greens advocating décroissance (“de-growth”). Everybody would like more money in their personal pocketbook, on their company’s balance sheet, and/or...
  • There were lots of discussions in Switzerland over the years whether their direct democracy is cost-effective. Because the process which leads to decisions is much slower than in many a less democratic society.
    I think the Swiss have a brilliant system even though it is very time – and engagement- and energy and motivation and good-will – – – consuming. It does not matter, as long as people are motivated to take part in all these decisions about – pension plans, military finances, weapons (!), problems of the farmers and the universities…foreign relations, the construction of new railroad lines or motorways…
    The Swiss theater system is different from the German one, in that it supports more amateur and semi-professional initiatives, whereas the German system is one that is concentrating on the professional staff at the theaters themselves. – Here again: Advantage swiss system. Especially since it helps people to spend their time in a useful and self- and collectively improving way…
    (I could go on…).

    The most helpful structural condition in Switzerland is not that there is a system of UBI (universal basic income), but that the Swiss labor market is working very well and it is very common to have a year or so off – plus and this is also very effective: To work only part-time – lots of people I know in their forties or fifties work 50 or 70% and the rest of the time, they – – are volunteering at sports clubs, or churches, or local non-profit magazines or webzines or in theaters and in communal art-galleries etc.

    • Replies: @Recall Carl
    I have often thought that states ought to abolish their legislatures in favor of direct democracy.

    Voting via home computer would be so easy. The original arguments in favor of representative democracy were centered around difficulty of travel and communication, which computers obviate.

    Lobbying by special interests is the source of all corruption in democracy and would be entirely eliminated.

    I wonder if the Yellow Vests have thought of this question.
    , @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    To be fair, the amount of foreign money in Swiss banks must help a lot for Swiss citizens to take some time off. Just like Cuba is helped much more by rum, sugar, tobacco, abortions, and tourism, than by their system.
    But yes, democracy is going more direct in general, specially as the current system is fossilized.
    , @sally
    i think direct democracy requires constitution bounds..
    and within those constitutional bounds, laws can be
    proposed by the lawyers and legislators.. in full disclosure form.
    and presented to the voters ..

    but in addition to constitutional bounds, should be citizen
    conducted audits, of both the activities of the governors and
    the successes and failures of the governors to accomplish the
    goals set for by law and constitution.

    Any time an audit fails to pass a governors activities to be
    within acceptable norms of legal conduct the governor shall
    be required to step down.. and to report to a court to answer
    charges.

    Personal participation in direct democracy should require that the
    voter pass a relevant points test taken directly from the proposal
    document, and then vote..

    Auditors should audit each law, its impact and application and present
    the findings in full disclosure documents on line for all to see.

    Amendments the constitution should be one subject one point at a time.
    would sure like to see something like this in America
  • Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Grow up.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Why do you repeat the same sentence three times? This isn't Twitter.
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    Do the Cubans tell you that? Not reliable. Self reported stats passed on by commies? I'll pass. Oh and stop reiterating the same line thrice in the same comment. I don't think of you much intellectually, but please. At least try
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans.
     
    It certainly feels that way.
    , @Colin Wright
    'Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans. Cubans life expectancy is higher than Americans...

    So move to Cuba. You'll live longer -- and you'll no longer be able to post on Unz Review.

    Everyone wins!

    , @ThreeCranes
    Maybe, but is it three times longer?
  • Here is the podcast: Robert Stark talks to Anatoly Karlin about Andrew Yang and The War on Normal People Robert Stark is a Yang supporter. You can check out his article "Andrew Yang and the Post-Nationalist Future" at Taki's Mag. Brandon Adamson (website) also participated, but unfortunately he was cut off due to technical problems...
  • Anon[224] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    JCTC or the Jewish Conspiracy to Censor shuts down Soph, the 14 yr old Youtube personality.

    She is on Bitchute:

    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/RXA1oESUqP1c/

    https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1128074193264947205

    • Replies: @Tusk
    I think it's even funnier that it's from Joe "Kill a straight white man on your way to work tomororw" Bernstein.
  • @Thorfinnsson

    My response is that the critical difference between then and now is that the new generation of robots is run on much more powerful AI. By and large, they don’t need inputs of human brainpower – the previous limiting factor – as they do the thinking themselves. Now yes, there are some jobs that are hard to automate, even with AI – typically, these are jobs that require fine motor skills – but ultimately, how many air conditioner repairmen and cleaning ladies does society need?
     

    Even if we grant that this is true, it doesn't eliminate my skepticism about the automation apocalypse.

    Such automation will only be implemented if the benefits exceed the costs. Those benefits would come in the form of either lower prices or higher earnings. Either creates a surplus which will be spent elsewhere, increasing aggregate demand. Thus employment will increase elsewhere. Don't forget that an increase in unemployment will reduce wages, which makes human labor more attractive.

    The automation apocalypse prophecy will only occur if future robots are to human workers what internal combustion engines were to horses. This would require future robots to be nearly as fungible and effective as human manual labor but cost less to acquire and operate. Such robots do not exist and in my opinion will not exist. Robots as they exist now are not only expensive, but generally only suited to a single or small number of operations. You also can't fire robots when business conditions deteriorate.

    Even this sort of automation might not cause an apocalypse, at least other than the transitory adjustment shock. We have a good historical example here: slavery. Slaves were the ideal replacement for wage labor. Did free labor disappear in any historical slave societies? No.

    And actually, past forms of automation did indeed end plenty of industries. Blacksmiths for instance. Metal tools are now produced in factories and generally discarded rather than repaired or remanufactured.

    It's also worth pointing out that this is the third time we've had an AI fad. There were previous AI fads in the '50s and the '80s. What's the reason to suspect this current AI fad will end any differently? Instead of a revolution we might well get a third AI winter.

    Lastly, it's worth pointing out that as far as I can figure out the automation apocalypse hypothesis gained traction in the pages of the Economist, Financial Times, and Wall Street Journal in order sweep immigration and offshoring under the rug.

    So far the automation apocalypse is purely speculative yet people like Yang are proposing extremely radical "solutions" to a problem that does not exist.

    If the automation apocalypse does come true, then the solution is certainly not UBI. It's compulsory sterilization of the entire left half of the bell curve (perhaps in exchange for UBI or other means of guaranteeing a humane existence while they live out their days, though personally I'm more keen on thermal depolymerization).

    as far as I can figure out the automation apocalypse hypothesis gained traction in the pages of the Economist, Financial Times, and Wall Street Journal in order sweep immigration and offshoring under the rug.

    Interesting theory.

    HL Mencken, of course, said, “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins.” Seems truer today than back then.

  • My response is that the critical difference between then and now is that the new generation of robots is run on much more powerful AI. By and large, they don’t need inputs of human brainpower – the previous limiting factor – as they do the thinking themselves. Now yes, there are some jobs that are hard to automate, even with AI – typically, these are jobs that require fine motor skills – but ultimately, how many air conditioner repairmen and cleaning ladies does society need?

    Even if we grant that this is true, it doesn’t eliminate my skepticism about the automation apocalypse.

    Such automation will only be implemented if the benefits exceed the costs. Those benefits would come in the form of either lower prices or higher earnings. Either creates a surplus which will be spent elsewhere, increasing aggregate demand. Thus employment will increase elsewhere. Don’t forget that an increase in unemployment will reduce wages, which makes human labor more attractive.

    The automation apocalypse prophecy will only occur if future robots are to human workers what internal combustion engines were to horses. This would require future robots to be nearly as fungible and effective as human manual labor but cost less to acquire and operate. Such robots do not exist and in my opinion will not exist. Robots as they exist now are not only expensive, but generally only suited to a single or small number of operations. You also can’t fire robots when business conditions deteriorate.

    Even this sort of automation might not cause an apocalypse, at least other than the transitory adjustment shock. We have a good historical example here: slavery. Slaves were the ideal replacement for wage labor. Did free labor disappear in any historical slave societies? No.

    And actually, past forms of automation did indeed end plenty of industries. Blacksmiths for instance. Metal tools are now produced in factories and generally discarded rather than repaired or remanufactured.

    It’s also worth pointing out that this is the third time we’ve had an AI fad. There were previous AI fads in the ’50s and the ’80s. What’s the reason to suspect this current AI fad will end any differently? Instead of a revolution we might well get a third AI winter.

    Lastly, it’s worth pointing out that as far as I can figure out the automation apocalypse hypothesis gained traction in the pages of the Economist, Financial Times, and Wall Street Journal in order sweep immigration and offshoring under the rug.

    So far the automation apocalypse is purely speculative yet people like Yang are proposing extremely radical “solutions” to a problem that does not exist.

    If the automation apocalypse does come true, then the solution is certainly not UBI. It’s compulsory sterilization of the entire left half of the bell curve (perhaps in exchange for UBI or other means of guaranteeing a humane existence while they live out their days, though personally I’m more keen on thermal depolymerization).

    • Replies: @songbird

    as far as I can figure out the automation apocalypse hypothesis gained traction in the pages of the Economist, Financial Times, and Wall Street Journal in order sweep immigration and offshoring under the rug.
     
    Interesting theory.

    HL Mencken, of course, said, "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins." Seems truer today than back then.
  • @g2k
    Are you really sure about this? Whilst routine, unskilled work is certainly easier to automate, it's also cheaper which gives less incentive without external factors (The EU's working time directive has done this for vegetable picking). An anecdotal example: in the 80s and 90s in the UK, car washes were either automatic or coin operated pressure washers, now, thanks to the expansion of the EU, hand car washes are everywhere, staffed by Romanians and automatic ones are rare. Digital Taylorism: previously skilled jobs becoming low, skill, low paid and micromanaged thanks to the proliferation of cheap IT and monitoring software is more likely to be the job killer in the immediate future.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/25/dead-end-jobs-car-wash-regulation-casual-cheap-labour-britain-low-pay-trap

    I can try to locate a source. There was a study a couple of years ago about what percentage of jobs in US regions were estimated to be automatable, places like SF and NYC had the least and rural red regions had the most. There was a map to go with it, IIRC I posted it in “Our Biorealistic Future.”

  • Off topic
    https://www.rt.com/news/459278-pompeo-develop-russia-relations/

    Surely the Russians are not going to be stupid enough to accept anything that these thugs have to offer. By now I would assume they are completely aware that the US establishment is pushing for nothing else but the total subjugation of Russia.

  • @Mr. XYZ
    How so?

    Most of them are already near monopolies, and the trend will be towards total monopolistic companies, so we really have no choice.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    No, on average, it is the less g-loaded jobs tha are more vulnerable, even if plenty of exceptions exist.

    Are the less g-loaded jobs going to continue existing in the Third World? Basically, I’m wondering if there are actually going to be enough smart Third Worlders to engage in successful up-keeping of AI.

  • @Anatoly Karlin

    what if we don’t buy the oligarchs’ products?
     
    Not clear the choice will be ours to make.

    How so?

    • Replies: @neutral
    Most of them are already near monopolies, and the trend will be towards total monopolistic companies, so we really have no choice.
  • g2k says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    No, on average, it is the less g-loaded jobs tha are more vulnerable, even if plenty of exceptions exist.

    Are you really sure about this? Whilst routine, unskilled work is certainly easier to automate, it’s also cheaper which gives less incentive without external factors (The EU’s working time directive has done this for vegetable picking). An anecdotal example: in the 80s and 90s in the UK, car washes were either automatic or coin operated pressure washers, now, thanks to the expansion of the EU, hand car washes are everywhere, staffed by Romanians and automatic ones are rare. Digital Taylorism: previously skilled jobs becoming low, skill, low paid and micromanaged thanks to the proliferation of cheap IT and monitoring software is more likely to be the job killer in the immediate future.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/25/dead-end-jobs-car-wash-regulation-casual-cheap-labour-britain-low-pay-trap

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    I can try to locate a source. There was a study a couple of years ago about what percentage of jobs in US regions were estimated to be automatable, places like SF and NYC had the least and rural red regions had the most. There was a map to go with it, IIRC I posted it in "Our Biorealistic Future."
  • @reiner Tor

    Just removing racial data from inputs so they can’t spot patterns?
     
    It doesn’t remove disparate impact. So you need to add racial data and then simply teach the AI to achieve equality of outcomes for the averages of the races. Basically adding affirmative action to the AI logic.

    That is true, but what I have seen them complaining about most recently with AI is not disparate impact (which would happen with any process) but algorithms working out that black people are (for example) riskier even accounting for other factors

  • @Kent Nationalist
    How will the racist AI problem be solved? Just removing racial data from inputs so they can't spot patterns? Or building in some sort of function to automatically equalise results (e.g. insurance premiums)?

    Just removing racial data from inputs so they can’t spot patterns?

    It doesn’t remove disparate impact. So you need to add racial data and then simply teach the AI to achieve equality of outcomes for the averages of the races. Basically adding affirmative action to the AI logic.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    That is true, but what I have seen them complaining about most recently with AI is not disparate impact (which would happen with any process) but algorithms working out that black people are (for example) riskier even accounting for other factors
  • @anon

    So what will actually happen is that the oligarchs who own the robots will come to control massive slave armies of labor that do most jobs much more effectively and much more cheaply than any human. There’s only so many personal assistants, cleaning ladies, and court jesters that these oligarchs will need.
     
    what if we don't buy the oligarchs' products?

    what if we don’t buy the oligarchs’ products?

    Not clear the choice will be ours to make.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    How so?
  • @AaronB
    The irony is that smart people are the ones being made redundant, when the narrative until recently has been that smart people are gaining economically and its physical skills that are bring phased out (learn to code).

    I'm sure there is some sort of world-historical irony in there somewhere.

    No, on average, it is the less g-loaded jobs tha are more vulnerable, even if plenty of exceptions exist.

    • Replies: @g2k
    Are you really sure about this? Whilst routine, unskilled work is certainly easier to automate, it's also cheaper which gives less incentive without external factors (The EU's working time directive has done this for vegetable picking). An anecdotal example: in the 80s and 90s in the UK, car washes were either automatic or coin operated pressure washers, now, thanks to the expansion of the EU, hand car washes are everywhere, staffed by Romanians and automatic ones are rare. Digital Taylorism: previously skilled jobs becoming low, skill, low paid and micromanaged thanks to the proliferation of cheap IT and monitoring software is more likely to be the job killer in the immediate future.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/25/dead-end-jobs-car-wash-regulation-casual-cheap-labour-britain-low-pay-trap

    , @Mr. XYZ
    Are the less g-loaded jobs going to continue existing in the Third World? Basically, I'm wondering if there are actually going to be enough smart Third Worlders to engage in successful up-keeping of AI.
  • How will the racist AI problem be solved? Just removing racial data from inputs so they can’t spot patterns? Or building in some sort of function to automatically equalise results (e.g. insurance premiums)?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Just removing racial data from inputs so they can’t spot patterns?
     
    It doesn’t remove disparate impact. So you need to add racial data and then simply teach the AI to achieve equality of outcomes for the averages of the races. Basically adding affirmative action to the AI logic.
  • anon[833] • Disclaimer says:

    So what will actually happen is that the oligarchs who own the robots will come to control massive slave armies of labor that do most jobs much more effectively and much more cheaply than any human. There’s only so many personal assistants, cleaning ladies, and court jesters that these oligarchs will need.

    what if we don’t buy the oligarchs’ products?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    what if we don’t buy the oligarchs’ products?
     
    Not clear the choice will be ours to make.