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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary | OT2 | New thread, same old candidates

Oct 26, 2017
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Wait is this about the $2800 donation cap?

EDIT: No, it's about Warren kneecapping herself by having standards. Well, as much as I like Warren, it's true that she doesn't have the grassroots network Bernie does and this is just one of many reasons she's not a strong potential candidate (even if she would make a good president).
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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How do you ethically shape policy when the donations that got you in to power can dry up when the rich aren't abated? Sorry, corporate and rich interests are going to take precedent if our politicians rely on them to get and stay in office. This is absolutely going to influence a politicians positions on economic issues.
These are 2700 $ donations. None of these donors have much power at all. Not to mention that these maxed out donations aren't exactly a majority of Pete's donor tally.
 
Feb 28, 2018
1,700
People donating 2700 are not "virtual oligarchs."
These are 2700 $ donations. None of these donors have much power at all. Not to mention that these maxed out donations aren't exactly a majority of Pete's donor tally.
Individually, it's no big deal, but these bundlers are coordinating with a large network of people that will also donate $2.7k to that candidate and suddenly it's not so innocent anymore.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,283
Not that I like Pete but can we not play spot the black person?
as funny as it is to to see this stupid attack being thrown at someone else, I agree
Every quarter? 2800 is the max for primaries period.
ok my bad, you can give 2700 in the primary and another 2700 for the general election

worth nothing that spouses and other family members can donate so not exactly the hardest thing to get around
 
I'm baffled at why Buttigieg even thought it was a good idea to suddenly swipe at Bernie in this way - we're ages away from the primaries, he only just now got any sort of serious traction, basically none of the candidates have attacked each other at all so far, and tons of his supporters probably cross over with Bernie (not to mention right now are all incredibly white libs) so this all seems like a real miscalculation, IMO. Unless it's literally just signalling to big money donors saying "I'm not like Bernie, send money to me to stop him" but it's a pretty unsubtle way of doing it.

And yeah, it's pretty ironic that Bernie is still being considered the "divisive" one when now he's being directly compared to Trump by someone who almost certainly has a whiter base of support than Bernie does, on top of it all.
Here's where Pete says America is at the moment:
1. Trump is president
2. Bernie is really popular.

Bernie has stated that Trump won on the economy.
Bernie's popularity is largely attributed to his economic policies.

If you agree with all of the above statements, where's the swipe? He's not saying Bernie or his supporters gave us Trump, he's literally agreeing with two Bernie talking points and putting them together in one sentence.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,002
You gotta admit Beto makes a good looking pancake
He does look like a pancake not gonna lie
His alabaster skin had the same healthy sheen of the buttermilk pancake batter he was whisking. Each rapid motion of his wrist revealed the powerful corded muscle in his forearm.

"You know how they make buttermilk, don't you?", he asked with a coy smile and a frantic wave of his arms

I squirmed as the breath caught in my throat

"They churn it"

My calves cramped involuntarily
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,906
I want publicly financed campaigns.
His alabaster skin had the same healthy sheen of the buttermilk pancake batter he was whisking. Each rapid motion of his wrist revealed the powerful corded muscle in his forearm.

"You know how they make buttermilk, don't you?", he asked with a coy smile and a frantic wave of his arms

I squirmed as the breath caught in my throat

"They churn it"

My calves cramped involuntarily
Good god.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
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His alabaster skin had the same healthy sheen of the buttermilk pancake batter he was whisking. Each rapid motion of his wrist revealed the powerful corded muscle in his forearm.

"You know how they make buttermilk, don't you?", he asked with a coy smile and a frantic wave of his arms

I squirmed as the breath caught in my throat

"They churn it"

My calves cramped involuntarily
sploosh
 
Oct 25, 2017
21,500
I'm just saying his support seems to be non existent in the black community. You can't win the Dem nomination without the black community. He has time to do outreach, but it's most likely already too late for him.
He literally just broke out. It's April 2019, not April 2020. Having to do work campaigning there does not mean it's "too late" 9 months before anyone casts a ballot.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,356
His alabaster skin had the same healthy sheen of the buttermilk pancake batter he was whisking. Each rapid motion of his wrist revealed the powerful corded muscle in his forearm.

"You know how they make buttermilk, don't you?", he asked with a coy smile and a frantic wave of his arms

I squirmed as the breath caught in my throat

"They churn it"

My calves cramped involuntarily
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,378
He literally just broke out. It's April 2019, not April 2020. Having to do work campaigning there does not mean it's "too late" 9 months before anyone casts a ballot.
Alot would have to change for him to be able to pull that support from Kamala/Beto/Biden/Bernie. I don't see how a gay white guy from the Midwest that likes country music is going to do it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Bernie received a lot of $2700 donations and a few $2800 donations in his first 24 hours. The FEC files are public. You're really starting a pedantic argument when you compare who had more $2700+ donations.
 
Oct 25, 2017
21,500
What percentage of the population can afford to donate $2700 to a political campaign.

How does the Primary system work? You need money to be able to run in each state.

Just say you want a system that favors wealthy people. It's okay to admit it. You have it right now.
Public financing would be great. Without that system, I want candidates to play to win, not to play for moral purity, and I don't want people leeching off the middle/lower class.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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His alabaster skin had the same healthy sheen of the buttermilk pancake batter he was whisking. Each rapid motion of his wrist revealed the powerful corded muscle in his forearm.

"You know how they make buttermilk, don't you?", he asked with a coy smile and a frantic wave of his arms

I squirmed as the breath caught in my throat

"They churn it"

My calves cramped involuntarily
This is some good shit right here. Lol!
 
Aug 6, 2018
3,110
User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory and antagonizing commentary
What are the issues people have besides twitter trolling?
That crowd has a very nasty habit of demonizing democrats, while at the same time backing an independent running for the endorsement of the democratic party.

Theres a sense of entitlement that only the sanders crowd knows what's best for the party and the country, while at the same time doing jack fucking shit to canvass, raise funds, or otherwise assist any candidates running below the presidential level.

Local politics- your state reps, senators, city councilmen etc are absolutely crucial in how the lives of everyday people are affected but the sanders wing is nowhere to be found when it's time to put the work in to get people elected and supported.

I attended DSA meetings. Several in fact. The rhetoric is over the top nonsense about how democrats are the problem, democrats are in love with capitalism, and democrats need to be saved from themselves...presumably by sanders and his wing.

This rhetoric has not gone unnoticed, the lack of downballot support has not gone unnoticed (from Sanders AND his supporters), and consensus among the democratic base is that these people can die in a fire.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Ah, I was concentrating on the DSA meetings and didn't catch that reading it back over. I wouldn't personally go that far, but I would say that Bernie has made attempts, but they're not working out because he doesn't seem to have any sort of actual management competence, with OUR and the foundation both not really being all that effective.
 
Shouldn’t we aim to make it reality? Isn’t getting big money out of our politics a plank on the Dem platform?
What we are seeing is that in increased numbers people subscribe to the idea of corporate and big money meddling in elections is hardwired biological fact (reminicient of Jordan Peterson’s coolaid), an inescapable fate rather than destiny.. - that we need to cope - not resist. It transgresses pessimism, as (for the privileged white) the belief is now that in fact the alternative is not desirable.
 
Aug 6, 2018
3,110
Ah, I was concentrating on the DSA meetings and didn't catch that reading it back over. I wouldn't personally go that far, but I would say that Bernie has made attempts, but they're not working out because he doesn't seem to have any sort of actual management competence, with OUR and the foundation both not really being all that effective.
Sanders' actual downballot support has historically been TERRIBLE and receipts on this arent hard to find. I AM out and away from home so this will have to wait.

But his supporters are notorious for doing nothing in terms of local support, and worse than nothing demonizing the party re: their rhetoric.

Part of my job as ward leader is to round up people willing to canvass, work polls, and assist new voters when republicans attempt to stop them from voting.

Guess who never, ever shows up?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sanders' actual downballot support has historically been TERRIBLE and receipts on this arent hard to find. I AM out and away from home so this will have to wait.

But his supporters are notorious for doing nothing in terms of local support, and worse than nothing demonizing the party re: their rhetoric.

Part of my job as ward leader is to round up people willing to canvass, work polls, and assist new voters when republicans attempt to stop them from voting.

Guess who never, ever shows up?
am I wrong in assuming this is all wholly anecdotal based on your own personal experience in whatever local area you work in? legitimately asking, no need to jump to petty name calling