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As most readers know, I’m not a casual political blogger and I prefer producing lengthy research articles rather than chasing the headlines of current events. But there are exceptions to every rule, and the looming danger of a direct worldwide clash with China is one of them.
Consider the arrest last week of Meng Wanzhou, the CFO of Huawei, the world’s largest telecom equipment manufacturer. While flying from Hong Kong to Mexico, Ms. Meng was changing planes in the Vancouver International Airport when she was suddenly detained by the Canadian government on an August US warrant. Although now released on $10 million bail, she still faces extradition to a New York City courtroom, where she could receive up to thirty years in federal prison for allegedly having conspired in 2010 to violate America’s unilateral economic trade sanctions against Iran.
Although our mainstream media outlets have certainly covered this important story, including front page articles in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, I doubt most American readers fully recognize the extraordinary gravity of this international incident and its potential for altering the course of world history. As one scholar noted, no event since America’s deliberate 1999 bombing of China’s embassy in Belgrade, which killed several Chinese diplomats, has so outraged both the Chinese government and its population. Columbia’s Jeffrey Sachs correctly described it as “almost a US declaration of war on China’s business community.”
Such a reaction is hardly surprising. With annual revenue of $100 billion, Huawei ranks as the world’s largest and most advanced telecommunications equipment manufacturer as well as China’s most internationally successful and prestigious company. Ms. Meng is not only a longtime top executive there, but also the daughter of the company’s founder, Ren Zhengfei, whose enormous entrepreneurial success has established him as a Chinese national hero.
Her seizure on obscure American sanction violation charges while changing planes in a Canadian airport almost amounts to a kidnapping. One journalist asked how Americans would react if China had seized Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook for violating Chinese law…especially if Sandberg were also the daughter of Steve Jobs.
Indeed, the closest analogy that comes to my mind is when Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia kidnapped the Prime Minister of Lebanon earlier this year and held him hostage. Later he more successfully did the same with hundreds of his wealthiest Saudi subjects, extorting something like $100 billion in ransom from their families before finally releasing them. Then he may have finally over-reached himself when Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi dissident, was killed and dismembered by a bone-saw at the Saudi embassy in Turkey.
We should actually be a bit grateful to Prince Mohammed since without him America would clearly have the most insane government anywhere in the world. As it stands, we’re merely tied for first.
Since the end of the Cold War, the American government has become increasingly delusional, regarding itself as the Supreme World Hegemon. As a result, local American courts have begun enforcing gigantic financial penalties against foreign countries and their leading corporations, and I suspect that the rest of the world is tiring of this misbehavior. Perhaps such actions can still be taken against the subservient vassal states of Europe, but by most objective measures, the size of China’s real economy surpassed that of the US several years ago and is now substantially larger, while also still having a far higher rate of growth. Our totally dishonest mainstream media regularly obscures this reality, but it remains true nonetheless.
Provoking a disastrous worldwide confrontation with mighty China by seizing and imprisoning one of its leading technology executives reminds me of a comment I made several years ago about America’s behavior under the rule of its current political elites:
Or to apply a far harsher biological metaphor, consider a poor canine infected with the rabies virus. The virus may have no brain and its body-weight is probably less than one-millionth that of the host, but once it has seized control of the central nervous system, the animal, big brain and all, becomes a helpless puppet.
Once friendly Fido runs around foaming at the mouth, barking at the sky, and trying to bite all the other animals it can reach. Its friends and relatives are saddened by its plight but stay well clear, hoping to avoid infection before the inevitable happens, and poor Fido finally collapses dead in a heap.
Normal countries like China naturally assume that other countries like the US will also behave in normal ways, and their dumbfounded shock at Ms. Meng’s seizure has surely delayed their effective response. In 1959, Vice President Richard Nixon visited Moscow and famously engaged in a heated “kitchen debate” with Premier Nikita Khrushchev over the relative merits of Communism and Capitalism. What would have been the American reaction if Nixon had been immediately arrested and given a ten year Gulag sentence for “anti-Soviet agitation”?
Since a natural reaction to international hostage-taking is retaliatory international hostage-taking, the newspapers have reported that top American executives have decided to forego visits to China until the crisis is resolved. These days, General Motors sells more cars in China than in the US, and China is also the manufacturing source of nearly all our iPhones, but Tim Cook, Mary Barra, and their higher-ranking subordinates are unlikely to visit that country in the immediate future, nor would the top executives of Google, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, and the leading Hollywood studios be willing to risk indefinite imprisonment.
Canada had arrested Ms. Meng on American orders, and this morning’s newspapers reported that a former Canadian diplomat had suddenly been detained in China, presumably as a small bargaining-chip to encourage Ms. Meng’s release. But I very much doubt such measures will have much effect. Once we forgo traditional international practices and adopt the Law of the Jungle, it becomes very important to recognize the true lines of power and control, and Canada is merely acting as an American political puppet in this matter. Would threatening the puppet rather than the puppet-master be likely to have much effect?
Similarly, nearly all of America’s leading technology executives are already quite hostile to the Trump Administration, and even if it were possible, seizing one of them would hardly be likely to sway our political leadership. To a lesser extent, the same thing is true about the overwhelming majority of America’s top corporate leaders. They are not the individuals who call the shots in the current White House.
Indeed, is President Trump himself anything more than a higher-level puppet in this very dangerous affair? World peace and American national security interests are being sacrificed in order to harshly enforce the Israel Lobby’s international sanctions campaign against Iran, and we should hardly be surprised that the National Security Adviser John Bolton, one of America’s most extreme pro-Israel zealots, had personally given the green light to the arrest. Meanwhile, there are credible reports that Trump himself remained entirely unaware of these plans, and Ms. Meng was seized on the same day that he was personally meeting on trade issues with Chinese President Xi. Some have even suggested that the incident was a deliberate slap in Trump’s face.
But Bolton’s apparent involvement underscores the central role of his longtime patron, multi-billionaire casino-magnate Sheldon Adelson, whose enormous financial influence within Republican political circles has been overwhelmingly focused on pro-Israel policy and hostility towards Iran, Israel’s regional rival.
Although it is far from clear whether the very elderly Adelson played any direct personal role in Ms. Meng’s arrest, he surely must be viewed as the central figure in fostering the political climate that produced the current situation. Perhaps he should not be described as the ultimate puppet-master behind our current clash with China, but any such political puppet-masters who do exist are certainly operating at his immediate beck and call. In very literal terms, I suspect that if Adelson placed a single phone call to the White House, the Trump Administration would order Canada to release Ms. Meng that same day.
Adelson’s fortune of $33 billion ranks him as the 15th wealthiest man in America, and the bulk of his fortune is based on his ownership of extremely lucrative gambling casinos in Macau, China. In effect, the Chinese government currently has its hands around the financial windpipe of the man ultimately responsible for Ms. Meng’s arrest and whose pro-Israel minions largely control American foreign policy. I very much doubt that they are fully aware of this enormous, untapped source of political leverage.
Over the years, Adelson’s Chinese Macau casinos have been involved in all sorts of political bribery scandals, and I suspect it would be very easy for the Chinese government to find reasonable grounds for immediately shutting them down, at least on a temporary basis, with such an action having almost no negative repercussions to Chinese society or the bulk of the Chinese population. How could the international community possibly complain about the Chinese government shutting down some of their own local gambling casinos with a long public record of official bribery and other criminal activity? At worst, other gambling casino magnates would become reluctant to invest future sums in establishing additional Chinese casinos, hardly a desperate threat to President Xi’s anti-corruption government.
I don’t have a background in finance and I haven’t bothered trying to guess the precise impact of a temporary shutdown of Adelson’s Chinese casinos, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the resulting drop in the stock price of Las Vegas Sands Corp would reduce Adelson’s personal net worth were by $5-10 billion within 24 hours, surely enough to get his immediate personal attention. Meanwhile, threats of a permanent shutdown, perhaps extending to Chinese-influenced Singapore, might lead to the near-total destruction of Adelson’s personal fortune, and similar measures could also be applied as well to the casinos of all the other fanatically pro-Israel American billionaires, who dominate the remainder of gambling in Chinese Macau.
The chain of political puppets responsible for Ms. Meng’s sudden detention is certainly a complex and murky one. But the Chinese government already possesses the absolute power of financial life-or-death over Sheldon Adelson, the man located at the very top of that chain. If the Chinese leadership recognizes that power and takes effective steps, Ms. Meng will immediately be put on a plane back home, carrying the deepest sort of international political apology. And future attacks against Huawei, ZTE, and other Chinese technology companies would not be repeated.
China actually holds a Royal Flush in this international political poker game. The only question is whether they will recognize the value of their hand. I hope they do for the sake of America and the entire world.
Three cheers to Ron Unz for putting out a fantastically sly way of screwing the Big Jews.
Why do the Chinese allow Big Jews to run their casinos?
What is the connection between the Chinese elite and the Big Jews?
Maybe someone here knows.
Well, I gotta say, the only thing more fun than reading Ron’s web site is reading Ron’s own contributions to it. You go, Ron Unz! From your mouth to China’s ear.
This is no surprise. Anyone who follows political events knows that John Bolton is insane, so no surprise that he devised this insane idea. The problem will be corrected within a week, and hopefully Bolton sent to an asylum.
However, this is a clear sign that Canada no longer exists as an independent nation, but is a colony of the USA/Israeli empire. Canada provides soldiers for this empire in Afghanistan even today, and in Latvia. Most Canadians can’t find that nation on a map, but it’s a tiny unimportant nation in the Baltic that NATO adsorbed as part of its plan for a new Cold War.
This story is not about an ultra-wealthy Chinese heiress enduring an odd adventure in Canada. This story is about a complete loss of Canadian sovereignty, because detaining this lady is outright insane. Canada was conquered without firing a shot! Welcome back to the royal empire run as a dictatorship.
I hope someone in China is reading this article. I would love to see Adelson and his cohorts go down in flames. This would fit right in with China’s current anti-corruption foray. Xi has a reputation for hanging corrupt officials. Shutting down Adelson’s casinos would be consistent with what Xi has been doing and increase his popularity, not least of all, right here in the US.
If only America focused its attention inward, on growth and stability, instead of transcendent American Imperialism then the world may stand a chance. The future will suffer once China’s debt traps collapse and like America it begins placing military globally. America would be the one country who could work towards a Western future but this will never be the case. Better start learning Mandarin lest we end up like the Uyghurs.
Peculiar system of American justice.
Principle of American Justice is that person is not guilty until it is proven in court of being guilty.
But in practice Police is regularly shooting people (mostly blacks) if they do run away from police.
The same case is Trump who wanted to keep his sexual escapades secret by paying of the prostitutes.
So here is no guilt in payment, but guilt is in trying to keep it secret.
Simply for me it is not logical.
Anyway!
According to US Jewish lawyers it looks that he is guilty.
But Trump has one safe way out!
He could increase the minimum wage to $20 an hour.
Hong Kong and Macau were a British protectorate till the turn of the century, and still enjoy a degree of political and economic separation from mainland China. Jews flourished there, but have a much harder time breaking into the mainland.
The writing is on the wall. Hong Kong, Macau, and soon, even Taiwan, will return to the fold as western influence diminishes in East Asia. That will be the death knell of zionism in East Asia.
Of course, a cornered rat is lethal. The rest of us will feel the pain as the vermin perishes.
Use your brain. The Chinese elite want to use the political clout that Adelson and the other big casino Jews have with the US government. To gain lobby power from a proven expert, Shelly Adelson, they are willing to allow him to make the big bucks in Macao. They expect quid pro quo.
Great suggestion, based on sound analysis, especially your pointing out the centrality of Zionism in Trump’s foreign policy.
I wish you would blog more.
The Chinese are pussies and will always back down. The U.S. laughed in their face after they bombed and killed them in Belgrade and got crickets from the Chinamen. China can’t project much power beyond its borders. They can’t punch back. The Chinese (and East Asians) are only part of the global business racket because they are efficient worker bees facilitating the global financial system. They have no real control over the global market. And if they start to think they do they’ll get a quick lesson. Like they’re getting with Meng, who is being treated like coolie prostitute. LMAO.
Bravo for the proposal of hitting ’em where it hurts – in their pocketbooks! It’s quite ingenious for its sheer audacity.
Why hasn’t anyone before thought of it, never mind implementing it? Certainly not from the neocons who infest the Trump administration and are partners-in-crime with the Adelsons of the world.
It would if someone could convince them that the US would be a more reasonable and sane world actor without the influence of the Zio Fifth Column in the US.
What we need is a AAPAC, American – American Political Action Committee.
There are enough former politicians, State Dept Officials, former Military, Journalist, Academics , Retired CIA and FBI, who have been attacked, some ruined, even some ‘Self hating’ rouge Jews brought down by the Uber Jew machine to form one hell of a lobby and think tank.
There is also enough anti Israel sentiment and factual information on the net that if brought all together under one huge banner site ,it could also be a giant activist lobby.
I volunteer Ron Unz to get on these projects right away.
Ditto.
Where are the Chinese nationalists when you need them? Denk, DB Cooper, Duke of Qin and the rest? Why can’t you suggest this brilliantly yuuge idea to the people in the know there? No matter how many white goyim (of the US or canadian or any other persuasion) you arrest or torture, the US (((“government”))) won’t give a flying f*** about it.
After all our (((government))) provides cannon fodder for (((them))) in the hundreds of thousands without shedding a (crocodile) tear, making sure “Izrul” can sleep easy. Hit where it’ll hurt our (((“government”))) the most as Unz tells it. Seize all of adelson’s casinos and impound all his other properties. Anything besides that won’t make a dent on our ZOG (they are thugs after all, RULE of LAW???….Bwhahahaha)
if you don’t retaliate now, the “resistance” [as it is] would now that China is an even bigger pussy than Russia and canNOT be counted on when SHTF. Which can only mean one thing. No one would risk making a real alliance with the Chinese if goes against the wishes of Uncle Schlomo. THIS is your chance of prove the naysayers wrong
Not necessarily.
You eat an elephant one bite at a time.
Not that I wish for the US to be eaten but nothing is too big to fail …as we learned in 2008.
Unless you have a sugar daddy who can bail you out that is …..I doubt we would be bailed out…..picking over our bones would be too profitable to all the usual suspects.
I always enjoy fresh writing from Mr. Unz. Clarity of thought is a fine thing to witness in language. It should be stated, America is not in any danger.the empire is and is in terminal decline. As Asia’s economic might grows in leaps ad bound, so does the empire scramble to thwart losing its global grip.
As Fred Reed once pointed out, declining empires rarely go quietly. Will America’s leadership gamble on a new war to prevent asia’s ascendancy?
I think it’s possible.
But what do I know. As my father once said, “I’m just a pawn in a game.”
To his credit he had the wherewithal to see that. Alas, most Americans are asleep.
Wasn’t Bolton sitting at the table in the picture I saw of Trump and his administration sitting across the table from Xi and his officials taken about the time Meng was being arrested in Canada? If Trump was in the dark about the arrest, but the order for the arrest came from Bolton, you have some world-class treachery right there.
Glad to see your crystal globe brain is unaffected by the camp fires.
Hope you suffered no damage or ill effects.
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You seem to overlook both the Korean war and the Vietnam war.
Those pussies of yours have displayed a respectable push there.
Here are a few articles on the topic.
https://lorddreadnought.livejournal.com/37272.html
Communist China was created by the Rothschilds and their agents
http://www.renegadetribune.com/communism-was-created-by-jews-and-serves-only-their-interests/
https://jewishjournal.com/news/world/179731/
Mao’s Jews – Jewish Journal
https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers/user-20826443/documents/56e490ff216a92v4Iovf/Jews%20Created%20Communist%20China.pdf
“Normal countries like China”
Normal? You’re a shill. Disgusting. Just lost all respect for you, Ron.
Very smart, like it. The Chinese would be doing the world a favour.
The call for Ms. Meng’s arrest had to come from the US Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control. They enforce every thing related to sanctions, which they claim is what Meng was arrested for– sale of phones and software to Iran.
But they also say they had been on her company’s case since 2013……so their timing is rather suspect.
What else I don’t understand is her company has research and offices in Germany, Sweden, the U.S., France, Italy, Russia, India, China and Canada…..So if what they sold or attempted to sell to Iran wasn’t outright ‘stolen’ intellectual property from the US or even if it was…why not transfer it to and or have it made in China or some country not signed onto the Iran sanctions and then sell it to Iran. I haven’t boned up on exactly what kinds of phone software they were selling but I think it has something to do with being able to bypass NSA and others intercepts.
Trump’s Jew, Steven Mnuchin, ex Goldman Sacks, ex hedge funds, ex foreclosure king, ex Hollywood film maker is head of Treasury so he was the guy that ordered this thru the Justice Dept..
Maybe Cloak&Dagger can fill us in on exactly what Meng was suppose to have sold Iran.
Hong Kong and Macau were a British protectorate
Didn’t Portugal have Macau?
Let’s have a bit less Sino-Nationalist agitprop about Ms. Meng, who always uses the “White And Bright Skin Whitening App” on all her photos, she is meticulous about that. Huawei has gazillions of dollars and is too cheap to pay a first year lawyer for advice? The first year lawyer, or even Wikipedia thats free, could have told her Canada has a reciprocal extradition treaty with the United States, as well as being one of the Five Eyes. Huawei set up Skycom as a cutout to evade sanctions on Iran. Ms. Meng PERSONALLY briefed bank officials with the aid of a “PowerPoint” assuring them Skycom has no connection with Huawei, she knew she was lying, and she was lying about a none to bright(and white) scheme designed to evade US law. She was careless and got nailed.
You are assuming Meng is not a sacrificial pawn in some larger game.
It would be priceless for Xi to shut down Adelson’s operations in Macau for a few days or weeks, but I’m afraid Xi is very much akin to Capitain Louis Renault in Casablanca, and after walking into a Macau casino and uttering the phrase, “I am shocked- shocked- to find that gambling is going on in here!” might admit in the next breath, “I blow with the wind, and the prevailing wind happens to be from Jerusalem.”
“Hong Kong and Macau were a British protectorate..”
Macau was Portuguese, not British.
Half a century or so propaganda like ‘the USA policing the world’ of course had effect.
Not realised is that in normal circumstances police is not an autonomous force, but has to act within a legal framework.
The illusion of this framework of course exists, human rights, democracy, whatever
She’s out on bail. Agree that Bolton blindsided Trump. Trump is going to try to turn this into some sort of PR gesture when he pardons her,
No way he will let this mess up his trade deal. Which is beached until she exonerated.
What is true of these stories of course cannot be known with certainty, but it is asserted that USA military technology is way behind China and Russia.
Several examples exist, but of course, if these examples tell the truth, not sure.
PISA comparisons of levels of education world wide show how the west is intellectually behind the east.
Western religions on climate, neoliberalism, migration, in my opinion point into the same direction: critical thinking, almost gone.
Just yesterday copied here a link about a college debate in Washington on racism, if these students are characteristic of USA students, then all hope for the USA is gone, I fear.
Reminds me of a Fred Hoyle story about a breakfast in the USSR, Moscow, some congress.
He had two eggs with his breakfast, one so hard you could kill someone with it, the other hardly cooked at all.
He went to the kitchen to find out how they achieved this remarkable feat.
He saw that eggs were at random put into a large pan with boiling water, and taken out at random.
His conclusion was ‘such a country is doomed’.
Ron, Canada is the criminal here.
“I very much doubt that they are fully aware of this enormous, untapped source of political leverage”.
I very much doubt whether that is the case. As far as I know, most Chinese people are distinguished by their intelligence, thoroughness and diligence. What do the thousands of people employed by China’s foreign ministry and its intelligence services do all day, if they are unaware of such important facts?
However I also doubt if China’s leaders are inclined to see matters in nearly such a black and white way as many Westerners. Jewish people seem to get along very well in China and with the Chinese, which could be because both have high levels of intelligence, culture, and subtlety. As well as being interested in money and enterprise.
It’s certainly an interesting situation, and I too am waiting expectantly for the other shoe to drop.
Yes, whatever your bias is, China is a “normal” country. In the sense of being closer to the ideal than most countries – not of being average.
You may bewail some of the “human rights” issues in China, although I believe they may be somewhat magnified for PR purposes. But when did China last attack another country without provocation and murder hundreds of thousands of its citizens, level its cities, or destroy the rule of law? (Like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya…)
The Chinese seem to be law-abiding, sensible, and strongly disposed to peace. Which is something the world needs a lot more of right now.
“why hasn’t anyone before thought of it.. ”
” WHY HASN’T ANYONE BEFORE THOUGHT OF IT !!”
You must be kidding me.
For over three years… I have been issuing comment after comment after comment….Like a crazed wolf howling in a barren forest….That the “number one” priority of the American people should be demanding the seizure of ALL the assets of Neocon oligarchic class.
Why ?
Not because they are “oligarchs.”…..or some might own “casinos” …but because they “deliberately” Conspired to Defraud the American People into illegal Wars of Aggression and have nearly bankrupted the nation in the process.
That’s why.
And it is the worlds BEST REASON to seize the assets…a thousand times better than “bribery charges”
I have issued statement after statement to that affect ,on Unz Review, in the hope that at some point it might, at least subliminally, catch on.
What I have witnessed over the past six years, is a lot of intelligent, thoughtful people “correctly diagnosing” the issues which plague the nation…But no one had any idea of what to do about it.
I have been pointing out, that if people really want to do something about it…then do whats RIGHT …Seize the assets of the defrauders.!…
Of course we can…Of course we can …Its the LAW!….
.Defrauding the nation into “war of aggression” is the supreme crime one can commit against the American People…
The “SUPREME CRIME”!
(If you don’t think so,go ask your local Police Officer….he will tell you FLAT OUT…..it is the Worst crime……”Conspiracy to Defraud into Mass Murder!….Not good ! You can even ask him if there is a statute of limitations ……He will probably say something like ” Yeah….When the Sun collapses!”)
And they are GUILTY as charged…There is no doubt ,….. not anymore.
We all know it…and can “prove” it !
Every “penny” belonging to each and every Neocon Oligarch who CONSPIRED TO DEFRAUD US INTO ILLEGAL WAR should be forfeit until the debt from those wars is paid down….. IN FULL !
The keys to the kingdom are right there, right in front of your noses…
If you want to change things….”take action”…the law is on YOUR side, ….
We don’t need China to do a damn thing…..We just need the American People to rise up,”apply the law” and take back their country and its solvency.
Canada may be the obvious criminal. But on consideration, isn’t it rather like the low-level thug who carries out a criminal assignment on the orders of a gang boss? And isn’t it the gang boss who is the real problem for society?
An article with the identical take as Ron Unz, including the idea that China has its key lever via Sheldon Adelson’s casinos, was published on the Canadian website of Henry Makow … also noting that USA political king-maker Adelson, is a major force behind the anti-Iran obsessions that partly grounded the arrest of Ms Meng, and so well-deserves consequences here
In the Jeffrey Sachs article linked above, Sachs lists no less than 25 other companies which have been ‘violating US sanctions’ and admitted guilt via paying of fines, but never suffered any executive arrests, including banks including JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, PayPal, Toronto-Dominion Bank, and Wells Fargo
In terms of international law, the Meng case violates numerous basic legal and United Nations norms:
– the principle against ‘selective, arbitrary, and political prosecutions’
– the principle that one state cannot take measures on the territory of another state by means of enforcement of national laws
– ‘proportionality of law’, which demands that penalty for any said ‘crime’ needs to be proportionate to the offence, and not draconian, ‘cruel and unusual’ … Ms Meng is threatened with decades in prison
This is also a significant humiliation of President Trump personally, his own advisors apparently colluding to render him powerless and uninformed
The Meng case brings to mind the story of another sanctions-violating ‘target’ arrested at USA request, the great USA chess master and non-Zionist Jew, Bobby Fischer (1943-2008).
Born in Chicago, Illinois, USA, Fischer impressed the world with his genius, but, like Ms Meng became criminally indicted by the USA regime, for the ‘crime’ of playing chess in Yugoslavia when the Serb government was under USA ‘sanctions’. Harassed across the globe, Fischer was jailed in Japan in 2004-05 by embarrassed Japanese leaders, for this fake ‘crime’ which few people in the world thought was wrong. Fischer had been using his celebrity voice to strongly criticise the USA & Israeli governments, making him also a political target, much as Ms Meng is a political target due to her being a prominent citizen and quasi-princess of China.
The Japanese, loath to be the instrument of Fischer’s USA imprisonment, finally allowed Bobby to transit to Iceland where he was given asylum and residency. Living not far from Iceland’s NATO military base, Fischer became quickly and mysteriously struck with disease, and Fischer died in Reykjavik, perhaps a victim of a CIA-Mossad-Nato assassination squad.
The Chinese government, I am told, directly understands the power and role of Sheldon Adelson here, and Chinese inspectors are perhaps inside Adelson’s Macau properties as you read this. Perhaps Chinese officials may show up soon in Adelson’s casinos, and repeat the line of actor Claude Rains’ character in the 1942 film ‘Casablanca’ –
“I’m shocked, shocked, to find that gambling is going on in here!”
Seconded
http://www.atimes.com/article/did-trumps-enemies-try-to-derail-a-trade-deal-with-china/
Article suggests the Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence which Mr Giraldi has commented on.
http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-fifth-column-2/
Three cheers for China!! May they wipe us all out.
Great links.
What we have to realize is that just as there is no real difference between Democrats and Republicans because they are both owned by the same people, so must we realize that in reality there is little difference between the leaders of the worlds countries because they are all owned by the same central banks. This is why Nate Rothschild famously stated “give me control of a countries money supply, and I care not who makes its laws”. All the world’s central banks are tied together by BIS, WB and IMF and the US marines. This is the reason Syria, Libya, NK and Venezuela have been taken down: Rothchild central bank control.
So this Huaiwei arrest almost certainly has nothing to do with the “trade war”, and is with certainly a hit by one side of the Kabal against the other. Zionist Nationalists versus Chabad Lubbovitz perhaps?
Jared Kushner has been lying pretty low lately and recently was stripped of his security clearance. He was linked to Kissilev the Russian ambassador, plus he was pushing Trump to help protect MBS in SA. I would bet that he is at the center of this storm.
I’m honestly shocked no one has stated the obvious: very, very few Americans would be likely to care if Sheryl Sandberg were arrested on dubious charges in China. I cant say I would be one of those few people.
I also should note that the crown prince of KSA is Mohammad bin Salman. Salman is his father, the king. The crown prince is Mohammad, son of (aka “bin”) Salman.
Lmao! Canada is a vassal state of the US. The US govt ordered Canada to arrest Meng, and Canada’s govt dutifully complied.
In many ways China does deviate from international norms, but of course so does the United States. As Tom Welsh pointed out, Chinese foreign policy is downright angelic compared to the US, even if you consider Tibet and Xinjiang to be illegitimately occupied territories (an argument I’m sympathetic to). Perhaps China would act as belligerently as the US does if China were the sole global superpower, but it’s not, so it’s fair to judge China favorably compared to the US.
It’s certainly abnormal in having a functioning democracy and the trust of 90% of its citizens.
Is there anything else that disqualifies it from normalcy?
Trump deserves it for hiring Bolton at all. Perhaps one might argue Trump was blackmailed into doing so but he doesn’t seem to be acting like a blackmailed man.
Yes. And “protectorate” is also wrong.
Mr. Unz, at no time since Ms. Wanzhou’s arrest have I felt myself in a position to judge that this was a strategically unwise or incautious act. It might be, but apparently I’m to be contrasted from so many of your readers, and you, simply for understanding myself to have an inadequate handle on the facts to make the call. That would be true, that my handle on the facts would be inadequate, even if I didn’t have personal knowledge of Huawei’s suspicious practices or their scale.
I worry that you don’t seem to evidence the presence of someone trusted who will go toe to toe with you as Devil’s Advocate. Too often, on affairs of too great a consequence, you come across too strongly, when the data doesn’t justify the confidence. A confident error is still an error and Maimonides’ advice on indecision notwithstanding, a confident error is a candidate for hubris, the worst kind of error. All of this, of course, assumes you make these arguments in good faith because if not the calculus changes mightily.
Too many of your readers evidence that they interpret this event and form an opinion of it based on nothing but this higher order syllogism:
After this higher order syllogism is accepted without due critique, evidence is sought to justify it and no further consideration of the possibilities is tallied.
At minimum you need to have run a permutation where you seriously consider that : it is well know to US operatives, if not to US citizens, you, and your readers, that Huawei is actively, constantly and maliciously waging covert war on the USA. You should at least consider this possibility. If true, this act may merely be a shot across the bow that notifies China of a readiness to expose things China may not wished exposed, and might stop endangering US citizens, if it were made aware such things stand to be exposed.
If that’s true, not only are you a fishing trawler captain causing distraction with a loudspeaker yelling at the captain of the destroyer that just fired the warning shot across the bow of a Chinese vessel that is likely covert PLA/N, but now you may be positioning your trawler to block the destroyer.
Do you really have enough information to know this is wise? Do you really know as much as the destroyer captain?
I will be away today, in the off chance you reply and I don’t immediately answer it is because I can’t.
@#6: The irrelevance and mind-numbing nonsense of your comments is only matched by your obdurate persistence in posting them. You are a Eugene Ionesco sui generis in the Comment section, minus the wit. I noted that other posters usually simply ignore you so you should be grateful for may attention.
Extradition is a regular part of the law and it’s administration. There are many formal treaties governing it. Canada probably isn’t doing anything weak or wrong now. The flabby thinking and weak agreement to accept US proposals of past politicians is probably where the blame lies. It seems to be like the evil situation Tony Blair brought about in the UK whereby the NatWest Three were extradited to the US despite the UK authorities having no case against them and their alleged victim not wanting it; and the Blair government evils besetting Julian Assange in the shape of both European Arrest warrants for offences not recognised in the UK and the risk of his being extradited to the US for receiving information in other countries.
Superb, as always, Ron Unz!
For someone who says he has no background in economics you you put your finger dead center on the money nexus of this “puppet run by another puppet controlled by another puppet dangling from the strings of a still bigger puppet” chain from hell.
I wish someone would read out the entire article, may be with photos of the culprits, on Youtube with subtitles in Chinese.
Nobody is suggesting that “the order” came from Bolton or that he could indeed give any such order. True his not telling Trump about what was about to happen bears a sinister interpretation.
I think what he means by normal are countries whose leaders are interested in the well being of their nation and the people they rule. No divided or corrupted loyalties to another nation.
By this standard the United States is clearly not a normal country.
Well said, Mr. Unz.
I was finding the arrest hard to believe, too.
One angle you did not mention, Cisco (U.S. company) of course until not too many years ago had a near-monopoly on the kind of network systems Huawei is selling as number one now (actually, I did not know of Huawei’s success there, thought of it as a handset maker), that may be a factor here.
There are a few Chinese or U.S. people of that descent on this site, mainly PRC-sympathetic, it would be very amusing if they were able to ignite a big discussion of your hypothetical reprisals
@ Anonymous [346] #10
For whatever is worth, if any.
During the bombing of Belgrade a missile fell on the Chinese Embassy. A local tv reporter approached a Chinese Embassy official and asked him. What are you going to do now? The answer was.
“Ask me this question forty years from now”
Strictly personal, Wow!
Instead of asking OTHERS (the proverbial “American People”), to do your fighting – for you,,,
YOU the Advocate, begin – YOU BEGIN. Get some friends together & BEGIN. YOU!!! If YOUR initiative gains traction (as with France’s Yellow Vests), we Americans will follow.
Show us the road to Lexington & Concord.
Jesus. This one could turn the lights off, heh..
sadly it is always “if if if”…no action is ever taken against the crime syndicate…
Yes that scrawny little weasel was sitting right next to Trump in that picture. It was on all the news programs.
Nice comment.
Yes, poor Bobby Fischer.
Fischer was another victim of Zionist controlled American imperialism. Yugoslavia, the child of Woodrow Wilson, became the victim of the Imperialist war Against Russia. Russia’s brother, and ally, Yugoslavia, was destroyed by the kind democrat gang administration of Wm (that was not sex), Clinton.
You complicate things by bringing up the Mafia boss. Who committed the actual crime? Who kidnapped the woman?
Excellent article, and an ingenious suggestion regarding the Adelson casinos. But I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a casino shutdown. Having worked in the marketing end of the casino industry myself, I can tell you the most coveted demographic lists were always the Chinese players, words like fanatical and obsessive don’t even come close to describing their penchant for gambling. I could literally see casino shutdowns in China causing a national Gilet Jaune moment followed by the overthrow of the Communist Party LOL.
I would definitely welcome seeing more Ron Unz articles on current topics.
Any chance this is Democrat, Deep State types at State and Justice manufacturing this cluster-f in order to make Trump look unaware? This is a President that respects casinos. And business. If Bolton and Company pulled this from behind the scenes without Executive knowledge or authorization, is that even legal? More treason? But given the circumstances, how does all this even GET to Iran, hurt Iran at all? What was supposedly illegal was done in 2010. Are we certain bags of cash from the Chinese and Russians and Iran weren’t traveling about Democrat-ruled DC back then? Grabbing this chick helps the case against Iran? I’m at a loss as to how.
And so the thought of a more local political benefit/purpose, stirring a diplomatic shit-storm on Trump’s watch, something he’d have to take responsibility for. To start a near war, sort of like the Bay of Pigs. Operatives, pulling tricks, writing checks the President then has to cover, looking like an unelectable mook throughout.
I’m happy to give the AIPAC kiddies full credit, I just don’t see the damage to Iran in all this. For crying out loud, we carted $500 billion cash over to Iran under Obama’s watch, what, 2013 or 2014ish? I don’t know how we skip over THAT, to get to trade shenanigans in 2010, also taking place under Obama’s watch. What was Holder doing when he was AG after all, why no action then? If it’s Israeli-driven today, why wasn’t Israel pushing Holder to take action against Huawei back in 2010?
Makes no sense.
How is the USA a “normal” country in any sense of the word? It once was truly great among the nations of the world but that ship sailed looooong back.
We invade for fake “freedom”, inject the poison of homo mania into nations that do not do the bidding of the homos and/or bend to the will of the chosen ones, pretend it’s all for some good cause then invite the survivors to displace the founding stock of this country. You call that “normal”??
We are nothing more than a vehicle for every kind of degenerate (((loser))) with cash to use our men and women as their private mercenaries. We spread filth around the place, destroy nations and proclaim ourselves as the peace-makers with the shrill voice of a worn out street prostitute on kensingtion ave (philly).
We are like that hoe, living out the last days of her aids infested body, with a grudge on the world for something that was completely of our (((own))) making. Philly might have been the birthplace of this country but camden is where we are all headed. And looking at China, we are dysfunctional beyond repair. Of course we still have quite a few things the Chinese might want to emulate (no the SJW versions but the read deal) but looking at our other maladies, they probably won’t who’ll blame them?
Gosh I hope Agent Orange gets a copy of this article. But I am afraid he is surrounded by Bolton-type traitors.
Yes it was s Portuguese colony. Interesting that Persian traders including Jews were in Macau going back st least to 500 AD probably more.
Ron, have you sent this article to the Chinese ambassador in DC yet?
Strange that the Chinese let Adelson in. The Macau casinos have thrived for a long time. The Portuguese left valuable casinos and the Chinese let the Jews in soon after the Portuguese left.
It makes sense that foreign casino operators would want to move into Macau, but why would China let foreigners in?
Could it be that one of the largest investors in China since the mid 1970s Richard Blum husband of Dianne Feinstein has something to do with it??
She’s as much the Senator representing China as a Senator representing California.
Another interesting aspect of all this is the “suicide” of Physics Professor Zhang Shoucheng at Stanford just a few hours after Meng was arrested on Dec 1. According to reliable Chinese sources and widespread reporting on social media Zhang was the conduit to China from Silicone Valley. He was richly rewarded by Chinese investment in his US companies. IMHO the Chinese understand the role of Israel and Adelson in US politics but are cautious in going this far. The Chinese are taking the light touch approach with Trump and his Adelson selected neocons. A Chinese businessman Guo WenGui with the highest connections to the Chinese elites and security services has sought political asylum in the USA. On the internet he daily speaks to the Chinese diaspora (in Mandarin) on the complex developments in Chinese official corruption. The NY Times has now started to take him seriously (good idea ) and reports that he and Steve Bannon have formed an alliance to expose Chinese government activities. You can read all this in the NY Times. Unz should translate Guo Wengui into English and publish his commentaries. In my analysis he is usually right about China and has shown remarkable predictive powers. He knows how and what the Chinese think, where the bones are buried and what comes next. He and Bannon plan to reveal the facts about the recent suicide in France of another prominent Chinese businessman Wang Jian who was Chairman of Hainan Airlines parent company.
This article by Mr. Unz is a good example of why people should read and support the Unz Review. No one is better equipped to shed light on otherwise unmentioned interests behind mainstream news events like this one.
Kudos for making a smart suggestion that no doubt will be heard by people who could carry it out.
Good article, but it is only scratching the surface.
Many things would be explained if somebody would find out what is the volume of US investment in China, and what percentage of it is Jewish.
That would shed light why the rabid Jewish press in US so bestially attacking Trump, after Trump started to impose tariffs on Chinese goods.
I do not know, but I could guess that Trump reached deep into Jewish profits.
We have no choice than wait what will happen to tariffs after Trump will be replaced.
Canada declared an end to participating in combat operations in Afghanistan in July 2011 and withdrew its combat forces, leaving a dwindling number of advisors to Afghan forces. The last Canadian soldier departed Afghanistan in March 2014. You are spot on regarding Bolton’s certifiability.
Trump has been totally phagocyted by the Neo-Cons in the foreign policy. The two pillars of the neocons foreign policy are now Saudi Arabia and Israel. Trump is benefitting from the neo-cons intelligence and their powerful financial network that he is convinced would help in his reelection.
Once he is re-elected then he may decrease his reliance on them but for the next few years the jewish lobby will prevail in Trump’s foreign policy. Unless they are not able to protect Trump from falling under the democrats assaults or been eliminated from power, they are on for more wars, more troubles and more deaths. History will place Trump near Bush junior as neo-cons puppets responsible for the largest destruction of countries since WWII.
Doesn’t really address the core problem.
Interesting that she was arrested in the Chinese colony of Vancouver BC. Maybe the Canadian government is asserting sovereignty over Vancouver at long last.
That must have been frightening. There she was sitting in the VIP lounge surrounded by deferential airline clerks as usual and suddenly she’s under arrest.
The most disappointing thing about this whole incident, so far, is China’s timidity in dealing with America.
Holding some C level former Canadian diplomat? Come on China, prove you’re a serious nation, you can do much, much better.
Canada has been a vassal state of the U.S. since it stopped being a vassal state of the U.K. in the 1960’s.
More delusional than when in 1957 the US government gave Iran a nuclear reactor and weapons grade uranium? In his latter years Khashoggi ‘s relative, the weapons dealer Adnan Khashoggi, much later mused on what the US was trying to achieve by giving Iran vast amounts of armaments, when all it did was set off an arms race in the region. America then switched to Iraq as its cop on the beat and gave them anything they asked for, and were placatory of Saddam when he started talking crazy. This was under the US government least attentive to Israel. Yes things should be more balanced as Steven Walt suggests
If it wants to create the conditions for a final settlement of the Palestinian problem, then America should be more even handed but it must also be very cautious about Iran. We don’t know who will be in power there in the future and history shows that once those ME counties are given an inch they take a mile.
Saudi Arabia seems quite sensible, its liking for US gov bonds that even Americans think offer too low a rate of interest is easily explained as payment for US protection. Killing Khashoggi that way was a dreadful moral and foreign policy mistake from someone who is too young for the amount of authority he has been given, but the victim did not beg for death like more than a few Uygurs are doing right now. The CIA agent China rounded up with the help of it’s network of double agents in the US were doubtless glad to have their interrogation terminated.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-20/vancouver-is-drowning-in-chinese-money
Some sweeteners from Adelson are likely in the Tsunami of dirty Chinese money, which are amusingly being laundered in Canadian casinos. As Walt points out the Chinese elite want bolt holes and bank accounts in north America. By the way most of the ill gotten gains are from sale of opiates such as fentanyl.
Yes that will work, especially when added to what China is already doing in targeting farmers who supported Trump, so he is definitely not going to be reelected now you have explained all this to them, and you are also opening up Harvard to their children, which can only redound to the detriment of white gentiles. Deliberate pouring of the vials of wrath or just accidentally spilling them? I am begining to wonder.
Someone commits a crime while wearing a hat, and you blame the hat? What’s wrong with you?
Thank you, Ron, for a clear-headed and insightful article.
There are however, two tiny infelicities, which I would not want for them to distract from the article’s merit.
First, I think the Saudi Arabian Prince you are referring to is Prince Mohammed bin Salman, not “Prince Salman”. “Prince Mohammed” would be the abbreviated form of his name. “Bin” is of course the Arabic equivalent of the Hebrew “ben” indicating paternity, rather than a middle name, so “Salman” is not his surname. “Prince Salman” would refer to the current Saudi King before he was King, rather than to the current Prince.
Second, maybe the hypothetical of China seizing Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook is not the best analogy since I, and I suspect others who are aware of her key role in empowering and enriching a deceptive and parasitical industry, would not be terribly troubled if China seized her. Indeed, we might consider it a public service. Admittedly, it is hard to find a good analogy for a prominent female executive of a US national champion company since so many of our prominent companies are predatory rather than productive and scorn their native country rather than serve it.
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The unmistakable style is there.
“America is not in any danger.” America is in very great danger, but only from within.
Almost half of all millenials believe that Capitalism is evil and that the Socialism should be the guiding economic principle of this nation. When you point out that it has failed for every nation in history that has tried it, notably the Soviet Union and more recently Venezuela, they retort that it is because those countries “did it wrong” and that “we will do it right.” When you ask for specifics as what they “did wrong” that we will “do right” they stare at you wordlessly as if you are the one who is an idiot.
It should also be pointed out that a vast majority of Democrats think that Ocasio-Cortez is brilliant and that we need more legislators like her.
What if Ms. Meng, was giving Iranian dissidents phones and other equipment to undermine the Government of Iran, starting another color revolution, that sucks in America and Israel? What if the Trump administration asked that this not be done in order to end the endless “revolutions” that have been happening and bankrupting our country and threatening Israel? What if the sanctions are benefiting Iran’s government too? China was allowed to become so large at our expense when we opened up trade and moved businesses over there, but this was to keep them from being too cozy with Soviet Russia, just ask Nixon.
Part of the Zionist plan for a Zionist NWO was laid by David Rockefeller when he sent Kissinger to China to open up Chinas slave labor to the NWO types like Rockefeller and the Zionist controlled companies in the U.S. and part of the plan was the deindustrialization of America thus bringing down the American standard of living while raising the standard of living in China.
I will never believe the fake disagreement between the Zionist controlled U.S. and the Chinese government as long as G.M and Google and the other companies that have shut down their operations in the U.S. and opened operations in China, it is all a NWO plan to bring down we Americans to third world status and then meld all of us into a Zionist satanic NWO.
The enemy is not at the gates, the enemy is in the government and its name is Zionism and the Zionist NWO!
I like the idea stated in this article.
FYI, Mar 25, 2016 Is China Ready to Challenge the Dollar?
Introduction to the report: Is China Ready to Challenge the Dollar? Internationalization of the Renminbi and Its Implications for the United States.
This is Ron’s best-ever article, and maybe anyone’s best-ever article.
sand tribe gamble house I am NOT allow. work hard technology 18 hour day. I am not fear bn am remain caution.
?By Ann Devroy
The Washington Post
WASHINGTON
President Clinton Thursday reversed course on China and renewed its trade privileges despite what he said was Beijing’s lack of significant progress on human rights.
Echoing the case made by George Bush when he was president, Clinton said he was convinced the Chinese would take more steps to improve human rights if the issue were separated from the threat of trade sanctions.
“This decision offers us the best opportunity to lay the basis for long-term sustainable progress on human rights and for the advancement of our other interests with China,” he said at a news conference announcing his decision to extend China’s most-favored-nation (MFN) trade status.
To demonstrate what he stressed was his administration’s continuing concern about human rights in China, Clinton said he was banning the import of Chinese munitions and taking several other small steps to support the pro-democracy cause in China.
But his action stopped well short of appeals by Senate Majority Leader George J. Mitchell, D-Maine, and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for selected sanctions on some Chinese products as a way to penalize China for failing to improve human rights. Both said they would introduce legislation that continues a link between trade privileges and human rights improvements.”
http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N27/china.27w.html
Canada has tangled with the US in the past over foreign policy issues, specifically the US Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917. Think International MultiFoods of Minnesota and its Canadian subsidiary Robin Hood Flour Mills regarding grain exports to Cuba and China c. 1960. Thanks to NAFTA, Canada is more integrated into the US than it was before NAFTA. But it has been a big win for many Canadians with the sharp narrowing of retail price differences between Canada and the US.
The irony is that is rich Chinese who have captured some of the best neighborhoods in Vancouver and Toronto without firing a shot. Once the case of the Chinese executive in Vancouver blows over, Canada’s tax agency needs to go after Chinese expats living in multi million dollar homes in Canada and paying little or no Canadian income tax.
The deliberate US bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999 was the high water mark of the imperium. The days are long gone when even rabid neocons would try that stunt again. Indeed as the US begins to face a multi polar world, it is highly likely that prominent Neocons will be targeted for arrest under UN war criminal charges. Already, Kissinger, Rumsfeld and Bush II have had to leave certain countries quickly or to forgo visits to countries
where arrest warrants were pending.
Great article. I have been wondering how China could adequately respond. This suggestion is perfect.
Outstanding article! Once again Ron Unz cogently diagnoses a major problem and proposes a brilliant, non-obvious solution.
But will China’s leadership risk alienating Israel and its psycho leader Netanyahu (who by the way is just as crazy as the crazies in Washington and Riyadh)? My FFWN colleagues Jeremy Rothe-Kushel and Greg McCarron argue that Israel is funneling tech to China and Russia to bring down the US empire and grab an even more powerful place in a multipolar world than they have had in the unipolar one. If China sees the Likudniks as a necessary ally in their struggle to unseat the US hegemon, a struggle that will be decided by dominance in the tech sector, they might not be willing to go after Mr. Likud USA and leading Bibi backer Sheldon Adelson.
This wasn’t a bolt out of the blue. Tension has been building for a while, and not just because of tariffs. Lots of Westerners were bugging out of China before this arrest.
Americans are in the dark about what’s going on in China unless they happen to live there, and I’ve been following some of the people who do. Since about last summer, foreigners in China have faced more harassment than usual. This means that China is having more problems with the West than usual.
I suspect that what’s happened is that Western elites have finally realized that the Chinese are starting to outcompete them, which is entirely their fault, and have belatedly responded with a brazen power play along the lines of the 99 embassy strike, which Ron is correct to compare to the arrest of this executive.
However, this is not 1999, and there will be consequences. Most likely deadly ones, although I doubt there will be overt military action.
I’m not sure Adelson could put a stop to this. There are bigger forces at work, and he may be influential, but he’s just one guy. Ultimately his casinos are small potatoes compared to what’s at stake here.
{The days are long gone when even rabid neocons would try that stunt again.}
You are probably right, but being infected with the rabies virus, one never knows…
As Ron put it above: [but once it has seized control of the central nervous system, the animal, big brain and all, becomes a helpless puppet.]
Chinese have long memories and are no pushovers. To wit, Hainan Island incident.
Chinese deliberately rammed a US spy plane, and forced it to land on Hainan.
Chinese further humiliated US by keeping the crew until US issued some ambiguous ‘Sorry’ statement, paid some cash. But Chinese were not done: they did not allow the EP-3 to fly out. They stripped it and disassembled it, and only then allowed US to take back the pieces to US (via a Russian cargo plane).
“..she could receive up to thirty years in federal prison for allegedly having conspired in 2010 to violate America’s unilateral economic trade sanctions against Iran.
World peace and American national security interests are being sacrificed in order to harshly enforce the Israel Lobby’s international sanctions campaign against Iran, and we should hardly be surprised that the National Security Adviser John Bolton, one of America’s most extreme pro-Israel zealots, had personally given the green light to the arrest. ”
— The Israel-firster Bolton does not care about Israeli espionage:
1996: “Israel systematically steals American technology with both military and civilian applications. The Israelis then reverse engineer this US-developed technology and use it in their own exports with considerably reduced research and development costs. …
2011: There is evidence that Israel stole Patriot missile avionics to incorporate into its Arrow system and that it used US technology obtained in its Lavi fighter development program – which cost the US taxpayer about $1.5 billion – to help the Chinese develop their J-10 fighter….
… Israeli citizens residing in the US stole sensitive technology to manufacture artillery gun tubes, obtained classified plans for a reconnaissance system, and passed sensitive aerospace designs to unauthorized users.
An Israeli company was caught monitoring a Department of Defense telecommunications system to obtain classified information, while other Israeli entities targeted avionics, missile telemetry, aircraft communications, software systems, and advanced materials and coatings used in missile re-entry.”
http://ariwatch.com/OurAlly/IsraeliMilitaryAndIndustrialEspionage.htm
2013: “U.S. Furious With Israel After Sale of Advanced Military Technology to China”
https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/12/22/u-s-furious-with-israel-after-sale-of-advanced-military-technology-to-china/
Ron, even more devious would be for Chinese to do something minimal with Sheldon’s casinos to force a release of the abducted woman, then wait. And wait. Wait for a year or two, when everybody has forgotten about this……then invite Sheldon to China to “celebrate” something or other about the casinos, and then grab him on some manufactured “crime” and hold him indefinitely until the scum cries uncle. Give neocon psychos a taste of their own poison.
But the elites in America would care a great deal and they would raise hell in elite channels such as newspapers and TV shows.
Please translate that into symbolic logic.
I don’t get it?
Without firing a shot, Wall Street accomplished what the Continental Army failed to accomplish.
http://www.historynet.com/invasion-of-canada-during-the-american-revolutionary-war.htm
China doesn’t hold a jack, let alone a royal flush. Alas, you have been eating way too much MSG laced Chinese food on Christmases over the years. As to China nabbing Sheryl Sandburg, most “Americans” wouldn’t give a rat’s arse and most likely throw in Mark Zuckerberg in the bargain. And as to Adelson, that grotesquely narcissistic buffoon, he and his fellow tribesmen in casino racket are hellbound, after one too many helpings at their own Chinese buffets. Wasps, notwithstanding their collective stings will die out and yet the WASP who are latent will rise to the occasion to reclaim not only America from the wanderers but also from their far east agents. China will be put back in its proper place and the first arrow from the quiver of the much maligned Christian West has been shot… let the mother of all wars commence!
You’re right. Trump hired Bolton and sat right next to him at the US China negotiation.
may attention? No comprendre! What does it mean?
Echos of Gypsyland?
Money – lots of money.
Any crushing of an American initiative though using Adelson as you suggest would only work once, and at the cost of losing irreplaceable leverage they will certainly need in future. I think they would prefer keep Adelson ect happy for the long term influence they can weld over US politics. This is not a one time deal for existential stakes, but an ongoing long-term relationship in which the growth of China’s power relative to the US depends on lulling the US into thinking it is winning and will continue to win. Trump is not forever, but after he goes China will certainly be dealing with the Israel Lobby, which would not be very happy about having their hammerlock on US foreign policy exposed. In fact, the US Deep State might well be forced to prevent anything similar ever happening again by hamstringing the Israel Lobby’s money power over party politics. Hmmm.
Bolton is a sick man, but Mike Pompeo is the man with the real power. The Secretary of State has always been the top cabinet post. Pompeo has the air of certainty of a man happily preparing to commence the Final War – Battle of Armageddon. Sadly, our clueless President seems oblivious to their subterfuge.
“I hope someone in China is reading this article.”
It’s hard to believe that they wouldn’t be.
Who is gonna pay for the meal?
If China wants to become the worlds leading power, it will ally with any country. Maybe letting Adelelson into Macao was part of the deal. There must have been a very good reason for letting him in to the very profitable casino business.
The only thing that is going to be wiped by China is their own msg ladden behinds…
The “law” may be on your side; but on whose side are the lawyers and judges?
Quaint that you believe the “law” still matters.
Very. Very good Why is that invasion never ever ever mentioned in our history books?
Already, Deep State has warned off interfering.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/trump-warned-not-interfere-prosecution-huawei-cfo
So what, the United States is illegitimately occupying 50 States.
She will really get “nailed” by some big badass sista in the American pokey…
I’d venture to guess that the order more likely came from Secretary of State Pompeo. He has the legal power to act independently, and is just as crazed about Iran as is Netanyahu. Ultimately this is all about Iran.
Apart from all the reasons you speculated upon the Jewish liking for the Chinese (and to lesser extent, the Indians, think Pichai, Nadella etc.), it could also be the much touted refuge that Jews escaping Nazis found in Shanghai but to my mind, it’s most likely the guilt of pushing Indian opium down the throat of Chinese… guess they are just making up for it.
I’m pretty sure most Facebookers wold celebrate.
The Chinese ruling class should put the screws to Shelly Adelson by squeezing more bribery money out of Adelson’s gambling dens in China and its environs. I agree.
The American Empire’s ruling class has been captured by Deep State elements who put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States. Seems obvious.
President Trump has nothing but love in his heart for Shelly Adelson, but Trumpy doesn’t love Shelly so much that he would accede to all Adelson’s demands as to how to treat Israel’s regional adversary, Iran.
I wrote this in August of 2018, still stands:
Trumpy loves Jew GOP donor Shelly Adelson.
Shelly Adelson pushes open borders mass immigration and an Israel First foreign policy for the United States.
Adelson wanted 1) a nuclear bomb detonated in Iran as a show of strength and 2) Adelson wanted the US military to invade Iran and 3) Adelson wanted the Iran nuclear deal killed and 4) Adelson wanted the US embassy moved to Jerusalem.
Trumpy ignored Adelson on the nuclear attack on Iran and the invasion of Iran, and Trumpy moved a satellite office of the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Trumpy also killed the Iran deal negotiated by Obama and other globalizer elements.
Almost made me laugh with mouth wide open and spit out my iced tea when I read the subtitle. Thanks. Good suggestion. What an outrageous situation. I am afraid I have been completely asleep on this one.
With any luck Adelson would be dead before then.
These events are all rather painful to sort out and take sides on, because even if there were no sanctions, no “illegal” selling of phones to Iran and no kidnapping by Canadian police on behalf of Washington, China is no friend of ours for a variety of reasons. Some economic and political but mostly cultural.
No easy answers.
Powerful, brilliant and laser-like in its scintillating aim at what plagues this planet.
Kudos to you Sir!
And funny too!
Even if I have to agree with this commenter’s observation
What this incident reminds me of, is the forced landing of Bolivian president Evo Morales’ presidential diplomatic plane.
It showed that the Z-usa is nearly the unilateral power, and that national sovereignty does not really exist in the world today. All those comments about how Canada is somehow responsible are a joke. Canada is as much a stooge as is the United States, which has been under absolute zio-domination since at least before WWI. Duh.
As Mr. Unz points out, the White House was likely as surprised by this event as was the Chinese executive. Donald Trump no more controls the levers of international intrigue than Donald Duck.
The genius of suggesting that China actually go after one of the ((uber-scoundrels))- who really is a player in these grotesque enormities, is pure.. well – genius.
Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking reading Ron’s excellent blog. Opium worked on China thanks to vendor’s military might, but even more thanks to the corruptubility of the locals. Casinos have replaced opium and they work thanks to exactly the same reasons.
In other words, I am sure that there is quite a complex internal Chinese political game behind this event, covered by questions such as Why Ms Meng? Why now? Who in China benefits from Ms Meng being put away for 10 years on some laughingly made up charges (next time I cross my local street I should be more careful – I may be breaching some US law).
The horrible Jews (meaning not all of the Jews) are the World’s experts in human corruptability and the Chinese are among the most corruptable humans on the planet (thanks to Millenia old bureaucracy). There is a total, absolute zero chance that Ron’s brilliant suggestion would ever be implemented for some very good/bad Chinese internal reasons.
But is it not amazing how US always make sure that the ordinary Chinese do not forget insults and injuries even if they were prone to forgetfulness, which they are not, and stick their fingers into Chinese eyes every 20 years. Has there ever been a more obnoxious nation on the face of this planet than US?
Where in the hell have you been? The United States became a socialist nation in the mid 1930s. To confirm it, take a look at the latest Farm Bill approved by both houses two days ago.
Today’s companion piece (one of the two articles published daily on UNZ) by Lihn Dihn discusses Japanese society… now that is law-abiding, sensible amd strongly disposed to peace society. China is nothing of the sort and furthermore, it can implode at any minute, given that they, the communists do not know what to do with the half billion who are not rising with the financial tide.
Most importantly – homogeneous.
All the dying USA has left is its obscene nuclear-filled mercenary military. That’s what makes it the most dangerous country to have ever existed on this planet.
Just as Little England was able to molest Big India, Japan can ravage China, again, given the opportunity…
“When the Arab Spring erupted in 2010, one of the first things people noticed was the very visible role social media seemed to play. Many began to call the series of political uprisings “Twitter Revolutions” and a lively debate broke out about the importance of the new technology.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2014/01/18/if-you-doubt-that-social-media-has-changed-the-world-take-a-look-at-ukraine/#258de2e4a2c7
“(Reuters) – A Chinese telecommunications equipment company has sold Iran’s largest telecom firm a powerful surveillance system capable of monitoring landline, mobile and internet communications, interviews and contract documents show.” 🙁 oh no here we go to war.
“Human rights groups say they have documented numerous cases in which the Iranian government tracked down and arrested critics by monitoring their telephone calls or internet activities. Iran this month set up a Supreme Council of Cyberspace, headed by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said it would protect “against internet evils,” according to Iranian state television.”
“The ZTE-TCI documents also disclose a backdoor way Iran apparently obtains U.S. technology despite a longtime American ban on non-humanitarian sales to Iran – by purchasing them through a Chinese company.
ZTE’s 907-page “Packing List,” dated July 24, 2011, includes hardware and software products from some of America’s best-known tech companies, including Microsoft Corp, Hewlett-Packard Co, Oracle Corp, Cisco Systems Inc, Dell Inc, Juniper Networks Inc and Symantec Corp.
ZTE has partnerships with some of the U.S. firms. In interviews, all of the companies said they had no knowledge of the TCI deal. Several – including HP, Dell, Cisco and Juniper – said in statements they were launching internal investigations after learning about the contract from Reuters.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-telecoms/special-report-chinese-firm-helps-iran-spy-on-citizens-idUSBRE82L0B820120322
Thanks renfro. Except for a few smoke-filled days when they shut off the air vents at work, we escaped mostly unscathed here in the Bay area. With the rain over the past couple of weeks, the danger has abated.
End of the year is always a busy time, so I haven’t had a chance to drop by here for a bit, but Ron’s articles are always a powerful draw. Hope you are doing well on the other coast.
Yes, you are right. I meant to say that the region was sheltered from mainland control.
Having done business in China for over 10 years, I can unequivocally state that you are full of shit in your assessment. Don’t just believe everything you read in the MSM – get out in the world and form your own impressions, and you are less likely to sound like an ignoramus.
I second the idea. If we could get some patriotic billionaire to fund it, we could buy our congress-critters back.
There’s just so many “human’s rights” problems all around the world. Oh where to begin, needs more revolution, when we finally reach Zion, it’ll be like the Matrix heavenly one,. Oh I can’t wait.
There you go, Mr. Price. That’s getting down to the nitty-gritty of it.
The AIPAC crowd looks politically stronger than it really is because the big corporations and other powerful lobbies don’t really have a dog in the Middle Eastern fight and let it have its way. Another big political player on Capitol Hill will push back if its interests are threatened, as the Baker/Bush Big Oil faction did in the early ’90s.
My guess is that the trade war with China is a deep state project, not the free-lancing of an aberrant Executive-in-Chief. That’s one reason that the big corporations with business interests in China have refrained from openly criticizing Trump. Corporate America is terrified by the Made in China 2025 initiative because it could be the beginning of the end for Boeing, Cisco, Qualcomm, GM and ultimately New York as the world’s leading financial center.
The end goal is probably to keep China out of certain industry sectors and key chokepoints of the supply chain.
The Meng arrest seems to have been intentionally provocative. They were probably hoping for an overreaction from China because they would rather have a short, intense conflict with a resolution while Trump is still in office than a long simmering exchange of tariffs that don’t fundamentally change the big picture.
There have also been some recent stories critical of China for “printing money.” It may be trying to protect its banking sector from an implosion that we were hoping for.
Adelson would certainly be an opportune target for China, but I’d be careful if I were you about making overt suggestions to a foreign adversary. The AIPAC/ADL crowd loves it when they can paint their critics as enemies of America.
When Huawei first started, their India branch stole software from Cisco, and that gave them a leg up. Since then, they have been innovative and surpassed Cisco. They are about to beat us with their 5G deployment.
China, having aligned with Russia, in support of Iran, has been in the cross-hairs of the cabal in the past years. Of course they have been doing business with Iran, but our unilateral sanctions isn’t international law, and kidnapping Meng from the transit lounge (which does not entail entering Canada) is an amazing violation of international law and demonstration of our thuggish behavior. It is also a slap in the face of Canadian sovereignty.
Your right Trump is the corruption king,always has been always will be,the French people call Macron the president of the wealthy,and we can/could call Trump the president of the wealthy as he twist and turns in the breeze with his huge tax cut including himself for the wealthy while the working class was handed a bag of peanuts but without the peanuts merely a bag of shucks I’m sure some would call it something else.Trump didn’t have a clue as to what the agreement with Iran contained but Adelson and other Jews didn’t like it so it had to go,no wonder they call his supporters the deplorable’s….
Could you expand on this?
All I’ve found is some vague information about “back doors” etc. within their hardware/software.
I say vague because not much tech info there.
Let’s assume that I know something about hardware and software, so you can hit me with any tech “mumbo-jumbo”; I guess I’ll be able to get it.
Since there’s an economic war going on, China would not target ANY US business in China. No point scare off foreign investment.
Grabbing Canadian or American individuals doing un-desirable political activities is a suitable respond.
Ron, this is a great idea. While I’m no fan of China’s ruthless business policies of intellectual theft, industrial espionage, currency devaluation at our expense, sweat shops, animal cruelty, and flimsy and toxic manufactured items; I do think this could be a marvelous opportunity to take a healthy swipe at Adelson.
What’s taking so long for the diabolical Adelson, Soros, Redstone, Kissenger, etc. to drop dead? Their hanging on prolongs the misery of the world.
And what’s hilarious is the Southern Baptist and Pentecostal support for Israel, even though Adelson makes his money from casino gambling, something they are supposed to abhor. The cognitive dissonance is amazing. And it is these same southern, Appalachian, and Midwestern rednecks line up in Walmart and Harbor Freight to buy items made in a China where Christians are relentlessly persecuted.
Though I would tend to give some credence to Mr. Psuedo’s comment, as far as not truly knowing what’s going on behind the scenes here, I do agree wholeheartedly with this post. The suggestion to go after the Big Man Adelson’s gambling empire is a great one. I’m no fan of gambling to begin with, but it’s his support of the massive hispanic illegal immigration into America purely due to his need for cheap labor in Vegas is what makes me hate the guy.* Could he not pay Americans in the casinos and hotels? Is that $5/hr difference going to bankrupt his operation? How much money do you need?
There is a lot that should be done about the IP theft and pure espionage that’s been going on for a few decades with so many mainland Chinese people living here, but this Iran sanctions business shows that so many of our government moves are just made to please the neocons and Israel. (BTW, I don’t give a damn about the IP theft from Hollywood – they deserve that.) If this IP stuff and actual espionage to damage US “defense” capabilities is SO IMPORTANT, why are we letting millions of Chinese into the country on 10-year tourist visa, and millions of others illegal immigrant Chinese, then millions of graduate students working on all types of research?
BTW, I’ll write some more, but, for the China-lovers on here, I really get along very well with the many Chinese people I know here (and have known in China). It’s just that, if you’re going to have a country, you can’t let millions of people in that won’t assimilate (due to “millions!”)
* I’m kinda familiar with Miss Lindsey Graham of S. Carolina who is one of the butt-boys of Sheldon Adelson, again due to Adelson’s greed with his gambling empire. S. Carolinians really never gave a damn about on-line gambling, and they don’t want illegal immigration more than anyone else, but the Senator from
SCNevada was big into that stuff… not exactly representin’ his peoples.Interesting.
Quick link:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/11/21/world/steve-bannon-billionaire-guo-wengui-accuse-china-crimes-people-massive-scale/#.XBKcwdsza1s
Adelson is Meyer Lansky 2.01. Organized crime is the third leg of American empire. Through it via Chinese organized crime the China’s communist party hold on power will be penetrated and cracked. Corruption always works; it can open the most secure locks.
Obviously you are out of your mind.
It may be a quibble here, Ron, or my understanding of “increasingly” here. In my opinion, the Deep State has metastasized since the end of WWII as the OSS morphed into the CIA, etc. However, during the Cold War years, even with the Bay of Pigs, banana republic revolutions here and there and all that, the US Government’s foreign policy was pretty coherent and not at all delusional on the large scale. The idea was to contain Communism, and that was successful in the arenas in which America was worried about*.
I have seen the stupidity start since the end of the Cold War, starting during the presidency of the dude for who the flags are still at half-damn-mast (WTH, people, why not just buy shorter flagpoles?) Once the US was the world’s sole superpower, there were loads of Neocons with big ideas and Deep State operatives that would have been out of jobs without something to do. That something was to try to arbitrarily rule the world as they, or the puppetmasters saw fit. It’s only just now that they are running into 1 or 2 big powers that are not up for taking that anymore.
(As an American, why do I write “they” instead of “we”? I’ll explain that in a later comment. All very good discussion here, but I gotta go…)
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* Yeah, we truly dropped the ball for 5 decades on the INTERNAL Cold War.
I always find it weird when people who dislike America side with China….China is as bad as America, and actually copies lots of the worst things about America.
I suppose its too hard emotionally to just accept that no one is good these days, and it’s tempting to root for China if you hate America…
Pretty silly.
If I was utu, I’d suspect this was an example of Jews trying to cozy up to China now that America is going down lol 🙂 (I don’t actually think Ron’s opinion is anything other than sincere)
I really could care less about this arrest of Huawei CFO. In fact, if it works to discourage more traveling or immigration to the US by Chinese citizens it would be a good thing. Canada and America have both been under seige by a Chinese invasion for the past 2 decades. Enough is enough!
But I also despise Zionists and there’s no bigger Zionist than Sheldon Adelson. Any plan to knock this treasonous rat down a peg or two is a good plan, and Ron’s plan sounds brilliant.
If the Chinese love the Jews so much, they can have them. Take them all, please.
America is suffocating from their choke hold on us.
That would be smart. It would be even smarter if PRC bans all casinos altogether. Quite a few robber barons would squirm.
Chinese technology in exchange for iranian oil obviously causes problems for the west especially if the technology involves long range guided missiles.The best part is the technology was stolen from america in the first place.Good man ron,keep coming up with these great stories.lol
I did reread the article again and I do agree with UNZ that China could efficiently retaliate, but I am afraid that it is out of question. US is still most lucrative market for Chinese goods so China will not rock the boat.
One Chinese lady sitting in US prison for 30 years will have no effect on Chinese leadership.
This will only be a lesson for corporate leadership of China. They will still be selling products to Iran.
The only countermeasure will be warning to Chinese executives not to travel to US and Canada.
This is new practice. And Chinese will have to find out if EU countries will follow this Canadian obedience to US.
I do not know. it may go either way.
I’m sure Pence is also well aware of this arrest. He’s been railing against Chinese hardware/spyware for a while now. Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, Rosenstein are all involved in this. Zionists are getting impatient. Iran must be squeezed to death, but it’s still effing alive because of China and Russia.
This arrest is an ultimate show of force to China, about who’s really in charged in the world: bow to Israel like everyone else!
“…a fantastically sly way of screwing the Big Jews.” Uh huh. So, when that 40 foot Menorah in Washington is thrown into the Potomac, with AIPAC designated as a foreign entity, and the ADL is prohibited from interacting with Congress or American Law Enforcement Agencies pursuant to the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, when taxpayer dollars no longer underwrite the costs of Holocaust Museums, and our children in public schools are no longer indoctrinated on that topic, when our leaders are forbidden to perform religious rituals at the Wailing Wall as stipulated in the 1st Amendment, and the Federal Reserve Act is repealed as an Unconstitutional entity, with our debt to that entity being repudiated, along with the Kosher Tax and Hate Crime Laws, and when the exportation of our weapons to Israel, in addition to billions of dollars worth of foreign aid are discontinued, then I’ll share that sentiment.
Someone should translate this article into Mandarin.
It’s called politics. All smiles and handshakes are fake. It’s all kabuki theater.
All the world is a stage…
ive been watching China’s interaction/ sycophancy of American jews for years. It provides insight into how outsiders view the Zionist control. They are openly in awe of our ((( Mandarins)))
The British Empire? Well, at least they built infrastructure and civil institutions in their dominion.
Agree, but I think Mr. Unz’s last sentence here is dead wrong: “We should actually be a bit grateful to Prince Mohammed since without him America would clearly have the most insane government anywhere in the world. As it stands, we’re merely tied for first.”
I would posit that nobody can outdo the United Sociopaths of America….Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, etc. etc…
It will never happen.
Well, this may be about a whole lot more than Iran.
Huawei is accused of industrial espionage and Bolton told PBS this is part of the reason Meng was arrested.
Interesting fact: libertarians have very strong opinions on intellectual property and patents. They generally piss on them as impediments to a free market, which is their god.
Ron Unz is a libertarian.
WSJ says Trump was warned by deep state officials not to interfere:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/trump-warned-not-interfere-prosecution-huawei-cfo
Pretty much.
Especially ” its too hard emotionally to just accept that no one is good these days”.
There’s something going on in Russia as we speak, which entails a mass exodus of Jews from that country via a program called “On Wings of Eagles”. This outfit is comprised of Christians and Jews, and they’re arranging flights for Jewish families from Russia to Israel. France, too, is in the process of institutionalizing “Anti-Semitism” (They’re not Semitic…) on a grand scale. Macedonians made it clear they don’t want Mr. Soros calling the shots in their neck of the woods, and if the Jewish leader of Venezuela doesn’t watch his step, he’ll be on the bus headed toward the Homeland. ‘Funny thing is, none of this is new. Funnier yet, no one within our public schools will discuss the historic expulsions of Jews from each nation in which they’ve “Set up shop”.
The other way that China could retaliate against US for kidnapping one of its top executives is by starting an opioid war. Actually, that war might already be under way and it’s a sort of a payback for the opium wars that the British empire waged in order to destroy China.
China was the top economy back then and the opium wars brought them down. And now the tables are turned – US are sort of the top economy and the opioid war can help dethrone them from that position.
Actually I think that there might be a humanitarian element to all this. I think that China is merely trying to help the destitute in the US deal with the unbearable lightness of being in the greatest democracy in the universe.
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/chinese-fentanyl-is-fueling-the-us-opioid-crisis-drug-trade-tensions-escalate
The video is a replay of Bush I’s 1990 Iraq war run-up propaganda disseminated by the NATO-affiliated West using alleged ‘dissidents’. The US incarcerates more people per capita than any other country in the World. How do we know the US-UK-CAN media are telling the truth about the Uygurs once they have lied so many times about foreign affairs and Anglo-American led wars? The US would certainly like the Islamics in western China to start blowing things up and killing Han Chinese civilians just as the west’s other propagandized ‘oppressed minorities’ or political factions did or are doing in the former Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Venezuela, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, nazi Ukraine, Kosovo, South Africa, the country known formerly as Rhodesia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Sudan, Yemen and Iran. I am sure I missed a few.
Techno-Tyrants Are Now Your Neo-Tyrants!
How can you not recognize the value of a royal flush?
von Coudenhove-Kalergi preached substituting the white race in Europe through miscgenation. Read
his book EUROPA. Later came Golda Meir and said
Now we have the Adelson recipe for subjucating the Chinese. Ron’s article is a wake-up call for them. Excellent piece of work.
Except she’s not a US citizen or in the US. I suppose US law now applies to all foreigners living abroad. Wait till the IRS hears about this. Our financial troubles are over.
You should look at China Uncensored. A great YouTube channel with over 700,000 subscribers.
Well, that’s not an unreasonable criticism. But I really wonder…
The moment I read about Meng’s arrest, the obvious Iran/Israel connection was the first thing I noticed. After all, it’s even on the arrest warrant. And I’d also been very much aware of Adelson’s huge Macau casino vulnerability for many, many years. But it was only late yesterday afternoon that I suddenly put 2+2 together.
I’d think that the vast majority of the regular readers of this website are certainly aware that America has long suffered under the control of a pro-Israel puppet government, with Adelson being one of the top string-pullers. Yet glancing over the comments on this thread, it sounds like almost no one else had previously considered my proposal.
So if neither I nor almost anyone else where had gotten the very obvious idea over the last few days, why can we be so sure that the China would have done so? After all, don’t we probably have a better understanding of the complex internal dynamics of American politics than the Chinese do?
As an interesting aside, just an hour ago, Jim Chanos, a leading Wall Street investor, announced on CNBC that he was shorting Adelson’s stock because of the sudden risks to the Macau casino holdings due to the current conflict with China. I wonder whether he or one of his associates might have read my article…
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/13/jim-chanos-shorts-las-vegas-sands-wynn-resorts-amid-us-china-trade-war.html
MISS FRANCE 2019: Half of the candidates are black or half-breeds.
Miss Kalergi Plan 2019..
http://www.fdesouche.com/1123541-miss-france-2019-la-moitie-des-miss-noires-ou-metisses-une-avancee-pour-le-concours
Every reasonable person knows that there is nobody good. Countries don’t have morals, they have interests.
However, there are different levels of bad. In terms of aggressiveness and breaking international law nobody beats the US, nobody (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen in just the last 20 years). Whoever comes in second would be a distant second. One can argue whether it’s simply because of inability to commit as many crimes as the US, or for some other reason, but the fact is: the US is committing more war crimes that the rest of the world combined.
Howdy, #392!
Globalist long term thinking Chinese rulers likely practice Godfather Vito Corleone’s philosophy, “Keep (Jewish) friends close and (Jewish) enemies closer.
Fyi, Goldman Sachs Group might not have physical presence in China, but their lucrative (economic pivot East) investment-interests are, at minimum, represented by native proxies on behalf of Jews.
One got glimpse of such phenomenon when the Happy Trump Family went to China & Ivanka’s garment allegedly charmed The Party.
Thanks, # 392, for your probing question, “What is the connection between the Chinese elite and the Big Jews?”
We should EMBRACE the world conflict with the ChiCOMS.
China is waging ‘the long war’ against us.
Deal with it.
The Chinese elite have bolt holes in North America not the other way about. They know.
BINGO! There are no conservative influences in Washington or in state governments. Our ‘leaders’ function within a labyrinth of socialist campaigns to cajole government dependents into voting blocks. Only Ron Paul, a milk toast candidate at best, has even broached the topic of U.S. sovereignty, and our government adhering to “That f*cking piece of paper”, as W. Bush described our national charter. No politician has the guts to say “NO!!” to any element of Socialism, or Budget Deficits, Israel Funding, Globalism or the current influx of “Undocumented Aliens” flooding over our borders.
said:
“when taxpayer dollars no longer underwrite the costs of Holocaust Museums, and our children in public schools are no longer indoctrinated on that topic … ”
Well said. There are over 100 “Holocau$t” related “museums”in the US alone, all receive US taxpayer funding for an overwhelmingly Jews Only staff.
– Just one example:
Facts on the ‘holocaust’ Fantasy Theme Park, aka: ‘US ‘Holocaust’ Memorial Museum:
Tax exempt cash taken in by USHMM, aka: ‘Holocau$t’ Theme Park, for fiscal year 2016 which supports huge salaries for Jews only, with most of the remaining money going to Jews & Zionist organizations: $151,826,695.00 : https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/042717-IRS-Form-990-FY16.pdf
US taxpayers money to the USHMM in the 2017 budget: 56,999,500.00 : https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20160209-fy17-pres-budget-request.pdf
China is the largest foreign buyer and holder of US debt — just sayin’.
said:
“So what, the United States is illegitimately occupying 50 States.”
Must be why so called “native Americans (which they are not) accept free everything from taxpayers, people that actually work.
Speaking of ‘casinos’. LOL
They never had it so good.
Stone-age Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years, new archaeological evidence
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html
“Pompeo has the air of certainty of a man happily preparing to commence the Final War – Battle of Armageddon”
— The pious Pompeo is the worst case of American X-tian (after Bush the lesser): https://www.kansas.com/living/religion/article209327599.html
“Eastminster Presbyterian Church called for prayer for Mike Pompeo, the CIA director who is poised to become U.S. secretary of state.
Pompeo is a member and deacon at the Wichita church, which has about 1,500 members.
The Rev. Stan Van Den Berg, senior pastor, wrote on the church’s website that Pompeo’s wife, Susan, had emailed him asking for prayer during “this very important and stressful time.”
— Do Susan Pompeo and other pious parishioners approve Pompeo’s collaboration with neo-Nazi in Ukraine and ISIS in Syria?
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/ukraine/2018/ukraine-181117-rferl01.htm
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/mike-pompeo-trump-wont-abandon-us-backed-syrian-groups-as-isis-fight-winds-down?
— What about Pompeo’s approval of the ongoing slaughter in Yemen? Some 85.00 children are dead so far thanks to the Saudi-US collaborative efforts in Yemen.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/12/1795395/-Open-thread-for-night-owls-Pompeo-rubber-stamps-U-S-armed-Saudi-slaughter-in-Yemen
Mike Pompeo and his wife Susan are nowadays satanists.
More like eleven.
Good point.
I think the law matters when the people stand up for it..and make it matter.
The point is that the law is not on “my side”.
In this case, its on the side of “The People.”
If you get a referendum of “accountability” from a hundred million Americans, if not more, it is a very formidable force.
It is actually quite unstoppable.
If the entire “country” wants the assets of these individuals seized …. because they deserve to be seized ….all the Judges and lawyers in the world are not going to stop it from happening.
The crimes are so clear, so heinous, and so egregious …. There really is no defense.
GDIAF (Go Die In A Fire)
Communists have no useful opinions in matters of prayer, or any other subjects.
Mormon Dogma is not science.
Quick Google:
That correct? Falun Gung thing I mean.
Before questioning Ron Unz movies, google Israeli espionage.
That is hardly an academic point if the country in question is likely to become a three headed planet killing dragon strong enough to take on the US, Russia and India.
Wally, with their banner of the Holocaust waving in the wind, Jews have established laws that criminalize “Anti-Semitism” within the European Union, in addition to arranging for the U.N. to pass a resolution forbidding Holocaust Revisionism Worldwide. While these measures are being taken, they still have the chutzpah to invoke the “Separation of Church and State”.
True their is an enemy to a democratic and just world, but it is not government (government is just a name like a corporation) its the people who have access to the government, your post names but a few of them, the Zionist. there are many others including organized crime..
But take a close look at how these enemies to a democratic and just world have used their control over the rule of law to siphon from the masses around the globe the wealth that has been transferred to the Kingdom of Zion. That wealth transfer mechanism is rule of law, its a way of privatizing human genius into investment packets that allow the enemies to acquire the products produced by genius to and to use them to get richer.
The mechanism is rule of law( but the rule of law is like a see saw trying to balance justice against competition), some of the products of rule of law are copyrights and patent laws. The Huawei thing is about copyright and patent issues (intellectual property rights to be exact) and doing business that has been outlawed by sanction..
The biggest problem in the world is: state issued or guaranteed monopoly power issued to private individuals packaged as private property rights. Public to private property transfers are made possible by rule that government will regime change, infrastructure destroy, sanction, assassinate, or bring the military and intelligence services to war and destroy any who try to compete with the owner of a copyright or a patent, etc.
To end the wars it is necessary only to remove monopoly powers (patent and copyright) from capitalism.
I’ve known too many Asian-Americans who are just as aware of AIPAC’s grip on US politics as you or I to have any doubt at all that this rather obvious fact is well-known to intelligence services in China, Japan, Korea, etc.
I watched one of your speeches in which you pointed out there are many anomalies in the mainstream news narrative. You’re far more intelligent and observant than the ordinary American, but are you sure that you understand the big picture as well as Chinese or especially Russian intelligence?
China and other countries no doubt recognized Israel’s sway over the US media and politics as a promising wormhole in US national security a long time ago. Perhaps they decided the best way to utilize it was to play ball with the Zionists. How did China gain control over Israel’s Haifa and Ashdod ports?
http://www.inss.org.il/publication/china-has-laid-anchor-in-israels-ports/
How do we know that China isn’t funneling money to Adelson to leverage his influence in the first place? Or that Adelson didn’t help with the ports negotiations. You probably don’t get and maintain a lucrative concession in China like Macau just by greasing the palms of a few local officials.
This is a situation where China’s censorship hurts its public relations around the world.
The Chinese media censors news of terror attacks by Uighurs, and thus its subsequent crackdowns in Xinjiang appear to be completely out of the blue. This allows Western media to play up the Nazi style concentration camp angle. Had news of Muslim Uighur terror attacks been widely promoted and sensationalized, Western audiences would be more apathetic about the Uighurs and would associate them more strongly with the Muslim terror in the West, and thus Western media attempts to lionize the Uighurs and highlight their plight would be more ineffectual.
Large states fight proxy wars with each other by backing the restive minorities among their adversary states. The US has managed to avoid this to a large degree by exterminating its Indians and by accommodating its other restive minorities into its power structure. But this is also resulting in rapid demographic change and a situation where its restive minority in the future will be white Americans.
If you mean China, it’s a misfire. It carefully avoids direct conflicts with the US and India and builds the ties with Russia to make confronting it highly unlikely to impossible. Chinese foreign policy is more prudent than anybody else’s. Maybe because they think longer term than us white people. The US, on the other hand…
Agree, and the key to ending this is to return to debt free money and abolish the zionist privately owned FED and IRS , which is unconstitutional and which has given America wars and unpayable debt all owed to the zionists who rule America!
Try to be factual …..the US did not give Iran 500 billion …..Obama ‘unfroze’ the Iran money we had previously ‘seized’ as part of the nuclear agreement…..it was Iran’s own money…..get it?
When the dominoes begin to fall
Out do the cockroaches crawl
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-intelligence-officer-charged-economic-espionage-involving-theft-trade-secrets-leading
Operation cloud hopper
Anon from TN already answered your gripe below.
I want to add: what you, “peterAUS” and like-minded don’t seem to grasp (in addition to your ethical absolutism: everyone is “as bad” as the US – not true and provable in terms of consequences – you’re also wrong in the almost primitive sense of locality.
You and Peter may be doing as well or as badly under a US vs Chinese hegemony. For me and many others US empire is the proximate, immediate problem. To adapt Ali’s famous quote: the Chinese never called me a nigger. In the US today, I’m treated like one. I’ll deal with the Chinese if and when I have to.
Or is that a failure to see how it could add negotiating weight to a potential intervention by Trump? After all, how are those supposed leaks going to actually inhibit him?
Sure, all your points are perfectly reasonable ones. If America had suddenly grabbed some ordinary Chinese exec, I doubt they would have considered playing their trump card with Adelson. But from everything I’ve read, Meng is so incredibly prominent and important, it’s difficult to believe they wouldn’t have done so if they realized Adelson’s henchmen were ultimately behind the arrest.
Anyway, even if they do play the Adelson card, it’s not like it can only be used once. Adelson’s net worth would still be tied up in those Chinese casinos and he’d still be on their leash. If he started selling all his casino stock, the price would collapse.
Here’s another thing to consider. Meng was grabbed almost two weeks ago and despite all the massive MSM coverage, I’d never seen Adelson’s name mentioned even once. Then I published my article, and 15 hours later Chanos is on CNBC explaining that he’s shorting Adelson’s casino company because of the China situation. Is that purely a coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. And surely a Wall Street investment billionaire like Chanos together with his research staff has at least as good a grasp of the domestic/international political dynamics as Chinese intelligence would.
I’ve never had any dealings with foreign intelligence services, but over the decades I’ve been friendly with quite a lot of absolutely top-elite American individuals and organizations, across a wide range of different fields, and on a number of occasions, I’ve been absolutely shocked at the gigantic blindspots they had in their own areas of supposedly greatest expertise. So it wouldn’t totally surprise me if Chinese intelligence had missed the same Adelson/Meng connection that I and everyone else here had missed until late yesterday.
Sure, I’d certainly agree with that. But I still think that Prince Mohammed of Saudi Arabia is at least as insane in his political behavior as the American government, though obviously (just as you say) much less able to implement his craziness on the international level.
I’ve read somewhere that some of the smallest dogs are actually as vicious and bloodthirsty as any breed. But since they’re so small, most people don’t even realize that.
Quite correct, renfro. Although Trump made great hay during the campaign that we (the US taxpayers) gave Iran 500 billion as part of the deal. No doubt his MAGA supporters still believe it.
Jews and Israel have no investment in China…..China has some investments in Israel.
It would be a great help to this site if you did some research before ‘guessing.’
Its very time consuming for some of us to have to correct guesses that might put false assumptions in readers heads.
If anything Trump’s trade war with China is a big opportunity for Jewish Israel. Israel has been bending over to get in with China trade, business and money , esp. for IT ventures.
Needless to remind that Israel is still, according the FBI, the biggest thief of US tech, defense and intellectual property.
Nothing Israel would like better…. except for all us Americans to kill ourselves so they could have ALL our stuff…..than to have China move their US firms to Israel where Israel could sell them all the tech they have stolen from the US…..China may take them up on that offer, knowing that Israel can steal it for them without any Chinese being arrested.
https://www.wrmea.org/1999-april-may/u.s.-defense-intelligence-agency-report-accuses-israel-of-laser-technology-transfer-to-china.html
U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency Report Accuses Israel of Laser Technology Transfer to China
U.S. DIA officials believe that Israel not only surreptitiously obtains restricted U.S. technology in the THEL program, but also transferrs technology to China. Of particular concern to DIA have been reports from U.S. contract employees working in Israel who saw Chinese technicians “working secretly with one of the Israeli companies involved in the laser weapon program,” an unnamed U.S. official told The Washington Times.
According to the DIA report, Chinese officials were seen at the Israel Aircraft Industries Space Technology Division facility in Tel Aviv twice since 1997. “The U.S. employees were told the ”˜Chinese presence’ was supposed to be kept secret from the United States,” according to the Times report. The DIA report also charged that U.S. employees were “rushed out” of the Israeli facility after seeing Chinese workers there for a third time.
The revelations about Israel, however, have received no such media coverage or congressional interest. Aside from The Washington Times, not one major American newspaper has had an article about this subject, there have been no television news reports about it, and not one member of Congress has called for a review of U.S.-Israel technology-sharing agreements (of which there are many). This surely is what is meant by a “deafening silence.”
What’s Behind Israel’s Growing Ties With China?
Sep 17, 2018 3:59 PM
https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/whats-behind-israels-growing-ties-china
Israel Is Giving China the Keys to Its Largest Port – and the U.S. Navy May Abandon Israel
China will operate Haifa port, near Israel’s alleged nuclear-armed submarines, and it seems no one in Israel thought about the strategic ramifications’
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-israel-is-giving-china-the-keys-to-its-largest-port-and-the-u-s-navy-may-abandon-israel-1.6470527
Yep I am well versed on Israel theft of our tech and everything else.
Thank our scum sucking self serving politicians for the largest and longest running heist of a nation
since time began.
An important find! Now does anyone still thing Trump is in charge or th USA is still a sovereign nation?
Do you actually think free market is Ron’s motivation? I suggest you get to know about him by reading his body of work, not jumping to conclusions.
China and Russia’s Strategy to End US Dollar Trade Dominance
Trump and the GOP made the deficit situation much worse with their greedy tax cuts for the rich – and a few quarters to the proles. With the economy slowing down and a recession at hand, the deficit is going to balloon out of sight, making Obama’s deficits small by comparison.
Maybe someone should send a delegation to Russia to learn from them how to start mass exodus from US. (Non-violent of course.) (But not Ron! Ron must stay.)
Adelson has long been lobbying the US Congress on behalf of the Chinese. He has to carry out this activity with some sublety, not being too overt. As you mention, the Chinese have long been aware of the Israeli influence over the US through their Fifth Column moneybags billionaires in the US. They are also aware of the unhinged, insatiable greed of these people, and the logical action plan was launched: offer lucrative access to the Chinese market, gambling in Macao in this case, in return for subtle pressure from an already well-established lobby in Congress. The steps taken are classicly Chinese in style and nature: small steps, at first unnoticably, later untracable and unprovable. One must point out that the Chinese (I do not refer to Chinese Americans here) are well aware of the power of the Jews over the US government, although perhaps not conscious of how far that power has grown. Their conclusion is more respect for the Jews, and a sense of befuddlement at how the Christian Europeans and their American offspring, the root of the modern world, its technology, and its ideas, have given up control of their nations and governments without a fight. I too wonder.
It’s time to fight.
Frankie P
Advice to the Chinese? This is kind of like Trump’s joke of “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” Nowadays you have to be careful with such advice, whether serious or jocular, since it can be seen as being colluding.
Ron,
In my youth my late father told me that a small man, like a small dog, is always looking for a fight.
Only later did I realize that this has been termed the Napoleonic Complex. I suppose it arises from the small man having to prove his worth, whereas the large man is not under any such compulsion.
Ron Unz obviously hasn’t read Stephen Mosher or Paul Midler.
China has agents in the United States and Canada tracking down its bolt-holed citizens, at least 40 fugitives in 2015. Here’s one example from a few years ago:
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/world/asia/china-seeks-ling-wancheng-businessman-said-to-have-fled-to-us.html
There’s an interesting immigration connection. Although a drop in the bucket compared to Mexico, there are lots of Chinese visa overstays in the United States, and China won’t take them back:
You mean the Chinese won’t give you preferential treatment in regards to employment, college admissions, and government contracts?
Ha!…..always more than one way to skin a cat.
Violence Disclaimer…I love cats so not recommending skinning any.
They have no desire to wipe us all out. That is a singularly western desire, that is, to “wipe out” competitors. The Chinese desire their rightful place as a superpower with the oldest continuous civilization in the world, a high culture, and an intelligest, diligent workforce. They seek to coexist with us, to trade with us, to leave us alone, provided that we leave them alone.
Frankie P
Apply this principle to nations and races, and you will have a much better understanding of how the world works…
Extremely rich, especially considering Edward Snowden and his revelations are still not too distant in the rear view mirror. Pot, kettle, black. Everyone knows that the US government is scooping up metadata from everywhere around the world, “constantly and maliciously waging covert war on” everyone, including the US citizens that you mention, as if the US government really cares about the endangering of the average US citizen. Do you recommend disgruntled nations from the international community “fire some shots across the bow”, perhaps by arresting government officials, sending missiles to take out US embassies, etc. Perhaps you could suggest an appropriate shot across the bow.
Huawei is certainly cooperating with the Chinese government to gather information through their technology platforms. Their cellphones use the Android OS, which is based on a Linux kernel and is extremely adaptable. Huawei certainly installs hidden and overt apps in the Android OS, and it’s most likely very difficult to ascertain exactly what these apps do. Welcome to the year 2018. Old Sundar, CEO of Google, when asked the day before yesterday whether Google knew if a Congresscritter walked across the room in which the “interview” was taking place, responded by saying that he would have to check the settings on the phone to know. Huawei is eating the US lunch once again, like so many Chinese companies, and the US is pissed about it. It’s a different world, and with the free exchange of technology and ideas, the tired old cry of “you’re infringing our Intellectual Property, which we have made laws to protect until the end of time” is getting jaded and annoying. Huawei is the cutting edge of 5G technology, and they will succeed because of their great investments, great employees, great motivation, etc. The Chinese government will also benefit along the way.
I’m still waiting for the US citizen to fire some warning shots across the bow of the NSA and the US government. You?
Yes, I agree with you and renfro,
This was the releasing of frozen assets which had always belonged to Iran.
However, I do believe , for the record, the amount was 150 billion…. not 500 billion.
150 billion is the correct number, as I recall.
The fact that our President was not aware this was Iranian money is a bit troublesome.
With any issue involving the release of a substantial amount of funds, the President should have ALL the facts, and should present them to the American public in a forthright fashion.
Anonymous[346] comment 10 re Chinese as pussies, after Belgrade, a lot of stuff mysteriously blew up in Japan, China, and elsewhere in Asia. It briefly popped up on TV and went down the memory hole. Also, CIA contract puke William Bennett, the guy CIA scapegoated in the internal report, met a grisly death at the hands of implausible shouty muggers.
Cloak & Dagger’s question is apposite: Anonymous[346], have you ever been in China? Comment 10 sounds like racial animus unencumbered by relevant life experience.
(((Chinese nationalists)))
Ron,
I have to opine that MBS’s insanity is a result of manipulations by the usual suspects: the US, Israel, and the players that support it. When Saudi Arabia decided to become Israel’s best buddy in their common hatred of the Iranians, MBS was wined and dined by establishment figures (neocons) in the US and Saudi Arabia, had multiple meetings with Jared Kushner, and was led to believe that he had been bestowed the teflon “don’t investigate” coating that covers so many who operate in Israel’s interest. He really believed that if he joined with the neocons and Israel and let the women in Saudi Arabia drive, he would be free to carry out any and all internationally illegal activities with impunity, somewhat like the US and Israel do. Boy, was he stupid!
Then again, he IS still in power, isn’t he?
Frankie P
Shelly is too valuable to be wasted on a mere CFO.
Shelly controls Israel and Israel not only controls the USA but sells US defense IP to China.
A few years jail time for Ms. Meng is perfectly acceptable if it comes to that.
Christopher Wray:
Clear and simple.
Bull’s eye – Perfect !!! ,…
Do you actually think free market is Ron’s motivation?
Yeah, pretty much. Look at his immigration position. Fits right in with the Cato Institute’s free market/freedom of movement/nation killing blather for the last 40 years. Libertarians are just awful on certain issues, and immigration and intellectual property are two of them. The funny thing is how they rarely cop to the “L” word when discussing them. Instead, they engage in misdirection and cheap bullying. They’ll say moronic things like “show me a Mexican murderer who killed a white middle-class woman with a B.A. or higher from a top 20 school. If you can’t, shut up about immigration. And read my 10,000 word article on the subject.”
[Your new habit of adding numerous blank lines within your sentences wastes vertical space and isn’t good commenting behavior. Comments exhibiting it may stand a serious possibility of being trashed.]
Unz and this particular peanut gallery notwithstanding,
this affray isn’t primarily about Israhell…though it’s certainly a major vector.
like Iraq (smashed by Uncle Schmuel) and Libya (smashed by Uncle Schmuel) before her,
Iran has dropped the petrodollar and is selling gobs of oil to, fr’instance, India…AND China for their own currencies.
that mortally endangers the (still @60%) global reserve currency status of the dollar
and with this portends the hyperinflationary collapse of the domestic debt-drowned, dollar-monetized ‘Murkan Ponzi’conomy.
Iran is going to get hammered, irrespective of all other considerations.
We need NSA surveillance of cross-border transmissions to make sure that critical trade secrets and classified technology aren’t FTPed out of the country, or to at least detect it when it happens.
Ahm…well…it is actually very easy to ascertain what those apps do.
Hint: they use the same OSI model other network devices do. That traffic can be seen, hence analysed.
Let alone AndroidOS is open source and one can step through the code while executing and watch what’s going on.
Etc.
Things on THAT level of “IT security” are much deeper, in chips, digital, even analog electronics, itself.
That’s where the real problem is and the real trouble COULD be.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=undefined&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwij74qFjp7fAhVHXSsKHStJA28QzPwBCAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffortune.com%2F2018%2F01%2F16%2Fkushner-trump-deng-murdoch-china-spy%2F&psig=AOvVaw0U3s6ZngRhpwDEd8VXua6E&ust=1544835286441629
Wendy deng (murdoch)and ivanka are good friends and exactly where does meng wanzhou fit in to this relationship.well itzik tells me thet all the rich folk share the same joke and sleep in each other’s houses.oh jared you stud you.
Your flash of insight about what a hold China could exercise on Adelson leads inevitably to alarming thoughts about what may have been going on between Adelson and China for a long time. It would by no means follow that Adelson still has much to offer China. It could well be that he has made all the Israeli connections for China that it needs, although even that broad conception of the Adelson-China deals may leave much out.
My reply to Ron’s #200 is complementary to your comment
Ron said: ‘But from everything I’ve read, Meng is so incredibly prominent and important, it’s difficult to believe they wouldn’t have done so if they realized Adelson’s henchmen were ultimately behind the arrest.”
Hey Ron!
Adelson is one well endowed freak that the unprecedentedly powerful Xi (since Chairman Mao) can smile, shake, & then look the dual-US/Israel citizen “in the eyes,” and for at least the time being, pretend the P.R.C. can profitably do global Casino Market business with him.
Thanks for another terrific article.
That’s an idiotic comment and I don’t expect any of those favors you mention. You’re trying to deflect: US Empire is the more serious evil both overall and for its subjects who are not currently favored. I don’t live in China, don’t want to and don’t care how they run their affairs. How about you Anonymous?
There is another small thing with all “this is wrong” re Huawei.
A comical thing, re nationalists (any creed and color).
I guess that most authors and readers/posters here are against Globalization and see Nationalism as positive.
Now…….what, then, is the problem with confrontation between nation states?
I get it, maybe.
A possible chat:
“That confrontation is the thing of the past. I mean, sure, since Nationalism and nation state came into this reality conflicts between them were norm, but now it’s not a thing anymore.”
“Why not?”
“Ah, well….because….uhm….we are much smarter, better, blah…blah…than those nationalists before.”
“Hahahahaha…..Y…………e…………..a……………..h. Sure you are.”
“I want MAGA. But I don’t want a confrontation with another powerful nation state.”
“You mean you want those glory days of Eisenhower, Kennedy, Soviet Union…..hahaha….but you don’t want any confrontation, especially not with a nuclear power”?
Crackup.
You think the Jews did it?
It’s interesting with William Bennett. Had China something to do with it?
There’s no doubt a story behind the Khashoggi story that we’re probably not even close to understanding.
I’m also not sure what’s behind Saudi Arabia’s newfound relationship with Israel, but I doubt if it is cousinly affection. They are probably getting their arms twisted.
Agree
Was it really just an alleged thwarting of the Iran sanctions? Weren’t the Chinese spying on the US via this telecom company? Since the US government spied on Angela Merkel, a trading partner and ally, maybe US / Canadian politicians should not set off an irreconcilable international confrontation over this Meng issue.
But there are other problems with the Chinese / US relationship. And a lot of it starts with the real priorities of American elites. Since Chinese money is rolling toward American elites, rather than being drained away from them toward China, unlike the Deplorables, American elites have trouble seeing the real problems.
I know, I know. Regardless of the foreign country in question, everything that motivates America’s global-business elites is morality-based. With Latin America, their morality-centric concerns stem from the cruelty of separating mommies and babies at the border, not from money-centric concerns like maintaining their supply of cheap, subservient, welfare-buttressed labor. It is morality-first / money-last with China as well.
Post Tiananmen Square massacre:
US politicians on both sides of the political fence amassed vast fortunes from ramping up economic relations with China, while underemployed US citizens lost a whopping 6 million jobs to China just between 2000 and 2010, as the main expenses in life (rent, groceries, etc) soared out of reach for millions of Americans.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/02/made-in-america/index.html
The fruits of advanced US research—funded by US taxpayers and often conducted in US universities, even when credited to US-owned businesses—is also an issue. The Chinese are funding US startups doing cutting-edge technological research. Then they are using that research to build their own companies within China, selling into their own internal market, with no US job seekers—beyond a handful of startup employees—reaping the benefits of that taxpayer-funded research.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/zhang-was-being-touted-for-a-nobel-prize-in-physics-why-did-he-kill-himself_2733573.html
American citizens do not even get a sizable trickle down of low-wage retail and call center jobs—i.e. the type of jobs that do not pay enough for non-welfare-eligible citizens, living on earned-only income, to rent a one-room apartment in a dangerous area of a city. US serfs have mostly lost out in this relationiship, and in relationships with other global trading partners, but US politicians have made bank—morality be d*****—starting just a few years after the Tiananmen Square massacre, an incident that an isolationist might say was China’s business however heinous it was.
But cashing-in US politicians are far from America-first isolationists.
As early as the mid-1990s, the Clinton Administration was making categorical changes to vanguard US satellite technology, shifting it from the purview of the Defense Department to Ron Brown’s Department of Commerce so that it could be sold to China.
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/17/us/how-chinese-won-rights-to-launch-satellites-for-us.html
Citing human rights violations in many cases, our government currently has sanctions on multiple foreign countries, mostly countries that US politicians and US corporate elites have trouble cashing in on for various reasons, but high-minded morality falls by the wayside when foreign countries grease the wheels of political elites.
Iran, Russia, Russia, Russia, etc., etc., etc.
Sure, Iran sponsors Hezbollah, a horrific terrorist organization, but American politicians look the other way for some counties, ignoring human rights violations and outright violence, while imposing sanctions on others. For clues as to why, “follow the $$$$,” not the pennies flowing to American serfs, but the truckloads of now-devalued fiat going to American elites.
Start in the Nineties.
When the Tiananmen Square massacre was less than a decade in the past, American elites sure were quick to abandon their moral outrage at that mass murder of kids protesting for democracy. The Clintons held their moral qualms in check, taking bigly checks from deep-pocketed Chinese citizens to fund their campaign war chest, even doing it in the White House.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/chinese-illegally-donated-bill-clinton-reelection-campaign-media-downplayed/
With the so-called Nineties Era TV “journalists,” it was a matter of profiting by omission. The MSM made pots of money by ignoring the serious issues, like the upsurge in welfare-aided mass immigration and US politicians accommodating the offshoring of all those jobs to China. They preferred to cover “bimbo eruptions.” Journalists could make money off of sex gossip, but not off of covering the direct sale of American middle-class prosperity to the political elites of foreign countries with cheap labor.
Unlike many US employers, the US media’s owners still cannot make money by staffing up with mostly low-cost, welfare-supplemented immigrants, but in a newspaper-unfriendly era, some print journalists do keep their jobs when an oligarch from an impoverished country buys an American media outlet. Follow the money to find out what slant is put on every story about the welfare-consuming hordes of cheap immigrant labor, flooding into the USA from said impoverished country.
It does not work that way for millions of underemployed or out-of-the-laborforce US citizens, displaced by welfare-assisted legal / illegal immigrants, while the corporate-owned media do the bidding of cheap-labor-loving corporations and the politicians they buy. Morality-driven journalists would not participate in the U6 / U3 cover-up.
But it is all about morality-driven reporting, morality-driven government and morality-driven global commerce in this virtue-signaling era.
The fallout from bad economic decisions—made by US political and corporate elites in the Nineties—is now hitting the global fan, and the US press is still ignoring the serious issues, using the same money-making smokescreens. China need not worry about the MSM. Stormy gets far more coverage than Meng.
The desire comes form the Old Testament so it is not quite western.
Kyle Bass is one of the biggest yuan-shorters out there. He is a little anxious that the Chinese economy probably will not collapse anytime soon, to say the least.
Somebody there has his arms twisted but one thing we can be certain that it ain’t Israel.
Uh? You mean the news of Uyghur terrorism against the population of China is censored by the Western media? I think Uyghur terror attacks in China is usually reported in the Chinese media.
”HSBC, a subsidiary of the London-based HSBC Holdings, today prints 75% of Hong Kong’s currency, while the British Cecil Rhodes-founded Standard Chartered Bank prints the rest. HSBC’s Hong Kong headquarters sits next to a massive Masonic Temple.”
”The HSBC ruling families have intertwining interests with other international mega-banks, the global gold and diamond trade and the Anglo/Dutch half of the Four Horsemen – Royal Dutch/Shell and BP Amoco.”
”HSBC has a big presence in Vancouver, which is on the receiving end of most US-bound Southeast Asian heroin.”
”The British Bank of the Middle East that dominates the flourishing Dubai gold trade is 100% owned by HSBC.”
”The bankrupt Deak & Company’s role in the Hong Kong gold trade was filled by Sharps Pixley Ward, which holds a monopoly over the Hong Kong gold market. Sharps is 49%-owned by the Sharps Pixley subsidiary of British merchant bank Kleinwort Benson and 51%-owned by HSBC.”
HSBC: The World’s Dirtiest Bank
(Excerpted from Chapter 2: Hong Kong Shanghaied: Big Oil & Their Bankers)
https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/hsbc-the-worlds-dirtiest-bank/
You are right, rats might be more bloodthirsty than lions, but they are too small to do much damage. MbS is likely as mad and bloodthirsty as Ukies, but both are crippled by their puny capabilities (thank goodness!). KSA commits genocide in Yemen, Ukies commit genocide in Donbass, both with limited success because of their ineptitude. Both do not mind engaging in any kind of torture or primeval depravity their limited means allow.
In my view, the US elites aren’t particularly bloodthirsty. They are just cynical and totally amoral. They don’t give a hoot if a few extra hundreds of thousands or even millions of people die, as long as they get a chance to gorge on their loot. They are not racists, either: they equally dispassionately kill aborigines in Libya, Syria, Iraq, or Afghanistan and lily-white Serbs, Ukrainians, or Russians. For them it’s nothing personal, strictly business. In that sense they are worse than backward MbS or Ukies, as they should have known better.
Almost as idiotic as thinking a new system will treat you better than the old one or that the special treatment I mentioned will survive the collapse induced by the transition.
Bobby Fischer at one time (early 70s) was a member of Garner Ted Armstrong’s Worldwide Church of God, which at the time was located in Pasadena, CA. He was fond of bowling and could be seen occasionally at the local bowling alley. It would be an understatement to say he hated Jews and the Jews hated him. For example here is his famous quote referring to the United States as “a farce controlled by dirty hook nosed circumcised Jew bastards”. He recited his list of Jew torts to anyone who would listen. As a child prodigy, he played chess at a NY club and felt he was used by the Jew adults who ran it. He never received any royalties on his books from his Jew publisher. His idea for the Fischer chess clock was stolen from him by a Jew. Remember, this is a fellow with an IQ of 190 who alone took on the whole Russian Chess establishment, and whipped them on and off the 64 square board. His serious problems began when his passport was lifted. He firmly believed this was an act of vengeance by Jews in the State Department. He ended up stateless and sleeping on the couches of friends like the Polgar sisters. Persecuting a high strung chess player was child’s play for the American authorities, who had the Japs jail Fischer for quite a time. Have read he had cancer at the time Iceland showed some mercy and provided sanctuary. Upon his landing in Reykjavik, sick and alone, he was met by a group of vindictive jeering Jews…..such is life when you cross the tribe. Nothing is too low. The cancer appeared out of nowhere, and was probably contracted during his stay in the Jap jail. This is not unusual. Steve Jobs refused to install back and side doors into the devices he peddled……and he contracted pancreatic cancer overnight. His homo replacement, Timmie Cook, has seen the light and fully cooperated, installing back doors, sided doors, front doors, trap doors, etc. Back to Fischer. The Russians described Fischer’s chess style as that of a brutal child, totally lacking in subtlety and finesse. The present Champion, Magnus Carlsen (Norway), plays a similar style……straight ahead brutal suffocating chess. It is interesting to note that both Fischer and Carlsen are the greatest practitioners of speed chess the planet has ever seen. Both play speed chess almost as accurately as classic chess. Hope this stuff is of interest to someone out there………..
I think that there might me more to this story about the Chinese executive than it meets the eye. Here is my take:
I think that the Americans are starting to have second thoughts about making China (soon to be) the most powerful economy in the world by transferring all the factories that they could over there in the last 25 years.
Their number one concern about China – is lack of democracy. After all the wars that US fought to bring democracy to the world – what are they supposed to do – relinquish the number one spot for top economy to a country that cares only about trade? I think that’s not right.
It’s obvious that China doesn’t have as much potential for democracy as the Middle East – but still they should put more effort into it.
I think I read somewhere that the American scientists have discovered that the most fertile soil for democracy in the world is in the Middle East – especially if it has oil underneath it. We all know that without democracy there is no life. People think that it’s the water that’s number one prerequisite for life, but that’s not true.
Even the recent landing on Mars by American probe had only one single task to accomplish – to find out if there is democracy on Mars. Because if there is – life would be possible and humans can leave this wretched planet which even after thousands of years of civilization is still not fully democratic.
According to the Mackinder doctrine the world can be ruled from a single location, i.e. London City and its Royal Institute (Chatham House, the British equivalent of the CFR — see corporate membership — which tells you what to think, geopolitically speaking). Canada is simply a British colony in service to the Anglo-US corporations (mostly to the 5 big British banks).
China and the Future of the International Order – The Belt and Road Initiative
13 December 2018
‘…But in practice Police is regularly shooting people (mostly blacks) if they do run away from police…’
Please. That’s a media fantasy. While police certainly do abuse their powers, it’s easily demonstrated that they do so without regard to race, creed, or color. Shootings of black males occur in just about the numbers one would expect, given their propensity for serious crime.
You say:
Jews and Israel have no investment in China…..
Excuse me but I am not in the mood to argue with you
But
How did you came to that conclusion resulting in such a categorical statement.
What research did you do to confirm it.
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Almost any gadget you see it is stamped made in China.
All those are made in factories US corporations built From foundations to the turnkey.
All Chinese are supplying is the workforce.
If you think that Chinese built them You have absolutely no clue about production and manufacturing.
And if you think that Jews have no shares in those US corporations, than I do think that you are a little bit feble-minded.
It’s called a “typo.” Look it up.
You talk about yourself in the 3rd person? “No comprende”? Who?
You ignore everything I said. No reasoning. Good bye and fuck you. Like most shills advancing the “they’re as bad as” narrative, I’ll assume you’re sitting pretty in the bosom of US Empire. Oh, did I mention: fuck you.
You have no fucking clue on how to measure US misdeeds to those of others, so no arguments offered. You just have a stake in the US variety.
Well, I’ll admit I’d never heard of Meng before she was suddenly seized, but all the statements in the media, including by seemingly knowledgeable Chinese sources, say she’s ultra-high-profile, the public face and likely heir of China’s most important international corporation. Having her stand trial in the US, let alone go to prison, would be a *gigantic* loss of face for China.
Meanwhile, Adelson is something of a wasting asset. He’s 85 and probably won’t be around much longer. Once he’s gone, his heirs won’t have a fraction of his political influence. And it does look like it was his own over-eager minions who arranged Meng’s kidnapping.
If I were the Chinese and weighing the situation, I’d “encourage” him to place the call to get her released.
I think you are confabulating. He was met by supporters.
So by your crackbrained logic the United States had “no right” to go after Carlos Lehder because he was a Colombian citizen and operating out of the Bahamas. You are an idiot.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/13/jim-chanos-shorts-las-vegas-sands-wynn-resorts-amid-us-china-trade-war.html
Well, now, much of the chess world appears to be pissed off at the way Carlsen chose to win the world chess championship a couple of weeks ago. After 11 draws, he offered Caruana a draw when he had a clear advantage, doing this so he could make his way to a tie-break at speed games – at which he is a specialist, thereby ensuring he’d win the match. As he did. But the chess commentariat thought it a disgrace that anyone should win a world match by way of speed playing.
With all due respect, Chinese are too practical to worry about loosing face
From all available and creditable news reports here and abroad here are the steps in the Saudi Israel ‘coming together.’
First of course, they had a common interest in destroying Iran so there obviously was conversation between some Israelis and Saudis.
During those contacts and conversations, Israel who always has an ear to the ground for politics in the surrounding states, the Israelis learned a lot about MbS and his ambitions.
Second, from what they learned about MbS they thought his personal ambition and psycho disregard for any humane issues could be useful to them to finally get rid of as much of Palestine’s hopes for a state as possible.
Third, this was relayed to Jared, Netanyahu’s boy in the WH, who was the one who arranged for Trumps first ME visit to be to Saudi, where they met with MbS, the heir apparent. They romanced each other for what one could get from the other. Trump got or thought he was going to get a lot of money (weapons purchases), Jared got MbS’s agreement that he would let Israel and the Us do whatever they wanted with Palestine. MbS got the US seal of Trump approval, a whirlwind PR tour of the US, with his
praises sung in the US press and assurances that Iran would stay on our shit list and we would continue to support his war in Yemen.
Fourth, after that initial meeting MbS and Jared carried on a bromance by phone and Jared made 2 more ‘private’ trips to Saudi ( without any state dept oversight). It was reported by insiders that Jared is suspected of relaying intel from the presidents daily briefings on Saudi royals who were against his becoming king. In weeks thereafter MbS did his famous round up and shakedown of Saudi royals and billionaires.
It appeared the Jared and MbS and Israel plan was alive and well until two things…..1) the Saudi King , who is in failing health but still alive contradicted his son MbS on his comments about accepting the US peace plan for Palestine by saying he (Saudi Arbia) would not allow or accept any plan that was not acceptable to Palestines……and 2) the murder of Khashoggi has blown up in MbS face.
So now the ‘peace plan’ is on hold, congress is voting on censoring MsB and ending US refueling of Saudi planes in Yemen.
I guess we wait for Plan 2 now that their Plan 1 has turned into a skunk.
Adelson’s campaign contributions to the GOP/Trump in 2020 certainly would be smaller if the Chinese moved against his casinos wouldn’t they? I understand his late cash infusions were crucial to Trump in 2016.
Trump supposedly didn’t know about the detainment of Wanzhou. Im sure Adelson is probably aware that the Chinese could shutter his businesses if they knew he was lobbying to have Wanzhou and other Chinese executives imprisoned behind-the-scenes.
Is there a possibility this is a Deep State operation that they hope leads to the Chinese doing just what Unz suggests they should as a way to defund the Trump 2020 campaign?
Jeff Flake was enthused about the whole affair, and I know Flake despises Trump. Makes one wonder.
I am sorry my examples were somehow clumsy. What I was trying to manifest was, that the authorities in US have a tendency of passing judgement on subject, based on suspect behavior and not on facts.
Interesting.
”The hedge-fund manager also said a prolonged trade war “could happen and is not being priced in the stocks” of companies such as Las Vegas Sands and Wynn. He also said Chinese authorities hold “all the cards” when it comes to these companies’ licensing in Macau. “They literally could put these guys out of business.”
From his lips to the China God’s ears…..love to see Adelson lose Macau.
I don’t speak Chinese very well, but the Chinese have an interesting expression: when you can’t kill the tiger, kill the chickens the tiger eats. I don’t think this is a stretch to think the Chinese are first sending a message to the Canadians. After that, I think Adelson could be a real target.
I doubt it…there are so many different interest in the deep state that it results in the kind of boomeranging effect we see now.
Your kind always screams about usual spying activity as an “act of war” yet somehow forgets to mention, say, Cisco doing exact same.
A normal businessman would avoid pissing off a country that host his money making machine so I am almost bumfuzzled …..until I remember that kind of mafia move is a typical militant /Isr business mo.
He sees he can push the US gov around so why not push China around.
Out on bail, Ms. Meng went straight to hospital for emergency treatment for “hypertension”, so that unpleasant thought had likely crossed her privileged mind. The Chinese really, REALLY hate blacks. I doubt she understands the US Justice system works on plea bargains, and she has nothing to fear. Daddy’s money will bring his coddled daughter home in short order.
I’m not the one who can’t seem the wrap their head around the idea of jurisdiction. Or maybe you’re waiting for the kingdom of Saudi Arabia to start grabbing heretics and shipping them off to have some body parts removed.
It has been reported that the US and Saudi Arabia signed a 40 year pact back in the ’70s (that would have expired a few years ago) for US protection in exchange for the Saudis recycling much of the profits back into the American economy.
https://dailyreckoning.com/u-s-saudi-relations-cracking-petrodollar/
Some of the events of the past several years might be explained as a renegotiation of the deal, probably with an Israeli finger somewhere in the pie.
It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the portions of the 9/11 report a decade ago were held back for future leverage.
Almost everyone has ‘shares’ in US corporations….that means less than shit and certainly doesn’t represent any ‘Jewish wealth in China’ that you alluded to.
Look, I’ve been around the Us manufacturing and off shore manufacturing and trade issues since 1966 when I attended the GATT conferences in Geneva.
So get outa here with your ignorant claptrap…..go make one of your list of books or better yet read some on US economics and trade staring in the ’50s.
I point out that if you live in the US you benefit directly by the current order, minorities doubly so, and you respond with nonsense. You sound like that sacker hypocrite. Are you one of his drones?
So much for reasoning or paying attention.
Actually, I very much doubt Adelson had any direct role in Meng’s arrest, or even knew it was planned. After all, he’s 85 years old, and hardly involved in day-to-day American government issues.
But he probably played a huge role in placing Bolton and all the other fanatic pro-Israel/anti-Iran people at the top of the government, and encouraged them to do everything to hurt Iran’s international trade via sanctions. And they decided to teach China a lesson by seizing Meng. They probably never considered Adelson’s vulnerability to Chinese retaliation.
Now they’re all fanatics so maybe Adelson might have a little difficulty leashing them in this incident. But given his enormous influence on these issues, I certainly think he could. He also owns the biggest newspaper in Israel, so he could probably get the Israeli government to issue the same request.
Canada is the property of the English royal family.
Trump is lying about the amount of money as is the US cable media. It’s approximately$1.7 billion as result of the interest on the $400 million Iran paid for MD F-4 jet parts that were never delivered back in 1979: Remedied by the ICS in the Netherlands in 2016. That is the official record. The US had no way to transfer the settlement money electronically, because of US sanctions on transactions to Iran. The US disbursed Swiss francs from Geneva to Tehran paid from a US Treasury fund that settles damage awards against the US gov’t.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/03/01/was-obamas-1-7-billion-cash-deal-with-iran-prohibited-by-u-s-law/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.50ce56a18884
http://arbitrationblog.kluwerarbitration.com/2016/03/18/the-recent-settlement-at-the-iran-united-states-claims-tribunal-historical-context-implications-and-the-future-part-i/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-iran-installment-idUSKCN10E264
Now, as expected, the Trump Admin. wants to welsh on the remaining amount.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-world-court/u-s-rejects-irans-legal-claim-to-recover-1-75-billion-in-frozen-assets-idUSKCN1MI19O
It looks like you are researcher and you know everything.
The mater is actually easy for you.
There is no problem for you to find the volume of US investment in China.in US dollars.
Than we can talk.
Otherwise we are only spinning the wheels here.
No they aren’t. Saving face is a paramount concern of theirs.
The Chinese probably are either afraid or too corruptly entwined with Sheldon Adelson to do this. So far they’ve only detained a few Canadians.
The Chinese regard America as being run by the Jews. They do not do so out of malice or anti-semitism, but simply as a fact to live with.
Now, if bored identity’s last name was Unz, he would be extra careful to avoid hotel rooms, or showers, or balconies, or elevators, or lifting weight, or using gas stove, or fishing/swimming/rafting/diving, or painting cathedral ceilings, or travel to visit Pamplona/Vesuvio/Mont Blanc/or alligator wrestling/ or toasters/hair driers/electric shavers, or Bulgarian umbrellas,or .drinking tea, or airports with Asian ladies having t-shirts emblazoned with “LOL” , or door knobs, or subway, or……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
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But, now seriously, Unz’s evergrowing obsession with his fellow tribesmen is turning to be unhealthy.
If you ask bored identity, Won Un Ze Just Jump The Shylock with this article.
The United States did not enter China(not a US jurisdiction) and arrest Ms. Meng, and she was meticulous at avoiding entering The United States(as she is meticulous at using the White And Bright Skin Whitening App for ALL her photos). But she entered the jurisdiction of The Dominion of Canada, which has a reciprocal extradition agreement with the US, is one of the Five Eyes, and, in general, practices close cooperation with The United States, and that wasn’t very bright(or white) of Ms. Meng. No excuses for the coddled little twat, she can afford competent legal advice, or use wikipedia. Relax “209” Ms. Meng will be free on bail in the US, living in luxury(Yay! She can visit Sedona!), while awaiting trial, will cop a plea, Daddy’s money will pay the fine, and China’s “quasi-princess” will be home in no time where she can bitch about her “persecution”.
‘So by your crackbrained logic the United States had “no right” to go after Carlos Lehder because he was a Colombian citizen and operating out of the Bahamas. You are an idiot.’
Carlos ‘Lehder’ was engaged in criminal activity that was occurring within the US. Ms. Meng was not.
Carlos was also a drug lord — a class of folks who are ordinarily arrested and imprisoned. Ms Meng was an executive of a legitimate corporation. Barring egregious criminality, while major corporaions are frequently fined and forced to agree to mend their ways, their officers are not imprisoned. How many Ford executives went to jail as a result of the exploding Pinto gas tanks?
Finally, Columbia is a minor country, definitely well within our zone of influence. China is a great power.
…and we haven’t even gotten to the timing of the arrest. It all makes Bismarck’s Ems telegram look like an innocent misunderstanding.
…worse still, Bismarck knew what he was doing. All the evidence is that we do not.
Listen twit……I responded to your guess that Trump could be threatening to Jewish wealth investments in China
Then when I furnished you info showing that is hardly the case you changed your claim to a silly comment that Jews owned stock in US corporations that built everything in China.
Now you are changing to arguing about US investment in China as if US investment in China equals or proves your comment on Jewish wealth in China as if Us investment in China is majority Jewish money
You just want someone to respond to your babble evidently….go bother someone else.
Agree.
I don’t think Adelson arranged it either…..why would he?
I just speculated that ‘if’ he did it would be typical of zionist type aggression as a method of business negotiating.
Except if it just happens in Macau (where I have visited) – a different world indeed from mainland China, and only certain casinos are affected. After all, the average gambler doesn’t care too much which casino they use – and there is plenty of competition. Also, the stories of the “overthrow of the Communist Party” are getting a bit old these days – clearly the majority of Chinese people are quite happy with the current system. In fact a lot more so than the peoples of the West are with their own governments. The reason for the “yellow vests” is because the Western folks have been screwed over by the rich and powerful for decades – whereas China has actually done the reverse, bringing millions out of poverty. China’s leadership don’t act rashly – they carefully plan a response for maximum effect, so you might not even know it happened. But the intended targets certainly know it.
Your Sinophobia is showing… and what is with the “White Skin App” nonsense? Does that really bother you so much? Strange. Chinese people have considered very white skin a sign of beauty for centuries – it was also popular amongst Europeans for a time. They used cyanide rather than (allegedly) an app, so it was rather unhealthy. What happens if your scenario is incorrect and she is removed to some US prison in shackles? In any case, your comment is extremely offensive on many levels.
Did Trump know that this was going to happen? I hope not.
If so, this is totally underhanded – this is a hostage attempt – a shallow coercive gambit, put on a nation of 1.3 billion people. If so, this is in diplomatic nation to nation terms, utterly amateur.
It has happened — if he knew or not – he now says, if things go right on the trade front, he will intercede – that is a clumsy unethical attempt at coercion.
This situation is shameful. One wonders what hand Javanka Kushner had in this. It looks like their pathological tribal Jew handy work.
Think Peace — Art
p.s. Hmm – am of the opinion that Javanka Kushner runs the White House.
Yep….not surprised either.
I’ll give you another nightmare in return.
States Buy Israeli Bonds, Stirring Up Controversy
https://www.csmonitor.com/1993/0714/14072.html
The Development Corporation sells four different bonds that carry a competitive interest rate of about 6 percent and receive preferential tax treatment in the US. Since its establishment in 1951, the Israeli bond campaign has sold about $13 billion worth of bonds, and repaid more than half that amount. ”
This was in 1993 imagine its twice the amount now. Its a ponzi scheme. Israel itself is a giant Ponzi scheme
So imagine the ME is about to blow….Saudi sells its US dollars and Israel goes down.
We are hit with a double whammy ….and billions in US pensions down the Israel toilet.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Adelson? He’s the go-between. He’s not getting squeezed.
It is kind of like half the people on this site are idiots and the other half are controlled opposition. With this lot to work with there is no way we avoid destruction.
Maybe I would do better to work for the aliens and betray humanity itself. But I’m honestly too lazy for that and would rather continue to “enjoy” my mammalian existence.
greedy tax cuts for the rich
Trump’s Tax Plan and How It Affects You
Rates were cut for nearly all income brackets — higher brackets got the smallest reduction, %-wise (as usually happens) — the largest cut was in the corporate rate — corporations have lobbyists, wage-earners don’t.
Of course if you cut taxes and don’t cut spending the deficit will increase unless there is a compensating spurt of economic activity (extremely unlikely) — the federal government could shrink overnite by (a selected) 25% (probably more) and the average working person would never notice the difference — ever.
The government is not entitled to anyone’s money — Americans will not really be free again until the withholding tax is eliminated and the government can no longer intervene between you and your employer to take your money before you even see it — also the Federal Reserve must be abolished since it directly enables the federal government to create virtually unlimited amounts of debt and thereby spend virtually unlimited amounts of money — the debt is then passed onto future generations, which is profoundly immoral.
Dear Ron, you should definitely stick to writing lengthy research pieces instead of chiming in on stuff you really know little about. “It’s da Jooos!”
Bendon O’Connell has been ranting about Israel’s involvement in the Silk Road and its operation Talpiot where it has gained control of the worlds technology industries into its hands. Apparently China has outsourced much of the IT infrastructure for the OBR to Israeli electronic companies. This strategic alliance is rarely discussed in the media.
The VM coding of all multi-processor CPU’s from Intel, AMD and others is famously in the hands of Israel, and they all also famously have built back doors for the CIA, NSA and Mossad in virtually every CPU on the planet. Huawei makes its own CPU’s, perhaps this is as simple as Israel/Talpiot muscling its control and back doors into Chinese CPU silicon.
The Clinton administration, now under increased scrutiny, famously allowed Pollack to pass nuclear secrets (and who knows what else) on to the Israeli’s who promptly passed it on to the Chinese. This last week there were photo’s of a Chinese J20 stealth fighter taken in Virginia.
There is also this Apple/Qualcomm IP spat, and with the entire planet obsessed with AI and singularity we can see that there is a battle for control over hi-tech going on, with Israel in the cat-birds seat. Meng could easily be a hostage in this war between Israel and China.
Interestingly MBS has been forced to not only drop his Aramco IPO, but he has also dropped his plans for a $1.5Trillion high tech city on the Red Sea. Who was the real loser here?
Brandon Smith makes the case that the arrest is a set up to allow the Fed to deflect rate hike blame for the looming recession onto Trump and the trade war. This would link Chinese financial interests to Israel as well as Technology and military.
As usual well said and I totally agree, both you and Ron are spot on. The US “nationalist”, my-country-can-do-no-wrong, are strongly hoping that they will not be paying the price when the day of reckoning arrives. Just like you, I would never argue that China is good, but the gap between the Chinese-bad and the US-bad is a Grand Canyon.
Yet, by far the funniest is when one hears every now and then some US person say how US is a force for good in the World. This just proves that there is a gradation: dumb, cretinous and then such US person. It is actually not even funny any more.
I have been writing for many years that the decline and fall of US will be the most critical moment in human history. I feel a sense of panic when I see contemporary creations of US mind which popularise the survival of nuclear wars. Because I still remember the time when US was strong enough to produce material about how unsurvivable a nuclear war would be (The Day After). Weakness and stupidity are sister and brother of the human soul.
Very helpful reporting. Thanks.
Thx for clarifying.
This is precisely what Mike Morales of Weather Warfare has been saying. Mike does a daily review of various world satellite images to document weather manipulation. Wednesday he noticed an gigantic plasma cloud forming over Indiana. A few hours later media started reporting the same thing. Eventually the Airforce admitted that it was responsible, but attributed it to “chaff”:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25451/a-west-virginia-air-guard-c-130h-was-responsible-for-massive-chaff-cloud-over-midwest
Now more of the same spraying has been detected over Maine:
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25460/now-massive-plumes-of-chaff-are-lighting-up-radar-over-maine-and-florida-too
What is interesting is that numerous residents of Paradise California were reporting similar “chaff” falling before the “camp fire” destroyed the entire town. Unz readers, and Ron Unz too, should be paying attention to the ongoing coverup of this false flag “global warming” fire. aplanetruth at youtube has dozens of interviews of survivors discussing dozens of anomolies. MentalBoost at youtube has documented dozens of weird fire anomolies. And Mike Morales has been documenting the weather manipulation for years.
When TPTB are creating fires across southern Europe, the US, and Australia and burning entire towns out for numerous reasons, how can one accept anyting that the official media writes?
North Korea is more closely associated with China than generally understood and NK gave Pakistan nuclear tech. China is known to have given actual missile parts to Pakistan. China gave Sri Lanka all the weapons they needed to destroy the Tamils. So China has encircled India, China attacked American forces during the Korean war, even though China did not have nuclear weapons at the time. China was mainly behind the Vietnam war, and Nixon’s diplomatic initiative with China was the main reason that Nixon was able to pressure the USSR to end the Vietnam war without threatening the use of nuclear weapons as Eisenhower had had to do in Korea. Carter ordered US officials to facilitate trade with China any way they could, they were still fighting the Cold War back then, but the policy was kept going until Trump came to power. China has human resources and economies of scale that make it quite impossible to compete with them, and the offshoring western elites have already decided access to the Chinese market is a prize worth making the Western working class pay for. Why should China bother trying to conquer what is going to fall into their lap once they are too big to oppose? They cannot be stopped by a trade war now, it’s been left too late.
Woo Wee Woo Waa, bored identity is astonished with Ron’s willingness to throw Sheldon down the well just like that …and for what?
CHAAAINAA!!!!
Here’s five reasons why bored identity is willing to accept the role of Adevilson’s Advocate ;
As much as despicable Sheldon is, he is also:
1.) American Citizen
2.) One of only few one percenters supporting Trump. (And yes, for the very different reasons than 99% of Trump voters )
3.) Symptom, not the cause of American decline and maybe inevitable Epicanthic Fold.
4.) An old man whose instincts tell him that Social Justice Jihadees will come sooner or later after his stock, as well.
5.) While Sheldon Baaaad narative is probably not cartoonish, Unz’s apologetic stance ( “…but also the daughter of the company’s founder, Ren Zhengfei, whose enormous entrepreneurial success has established him as a Chinese national hero….” ) on Menacingly Red Sino-Kleptocratic Clique, certainly is.
Just as daily consuming of this, or similar, Zhengfeicated puffery will only result with a full sphincter relaxation and People’s Liberation Army bend over penetration for a slanted, dewy-eyed Bloomberg, South China Morning Post, and, apparently, Won Un Ze readersheep :
https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2177205/can-huaweis-founder-ren-zhengfei-who-survived-famine-weather
Wrong Unz should watch this ’60 Minutes’ segment :
There is no law against an investor highlighting news. There is a law against being an unregistered agent of a foreign principal, but it only applies to the NRA and Russia apparently.
As for Bass’s bet I feel lit is ill-judged because Western elites cannot afford to have the Chinese economy collapse in the way he is betting on. US banked propped up the EU to a tremendous extent that was kept completely secret at the time, and they will act if China is in trouble. The Chinese know this and take advantage of it by wholesale theft of industrial secrets, They have inveigled America into an inextricable economic entanglement. Now they are working on the decision making centres.
Bombercommand,
“Daddy’s money will pay the fine, and China’s “quasi-princess” will be home in no time where she can bitch about her “persecution”.”
Although Daddy has no money trouble, he isn’t one of the dirty rich of China.
The founder of Huawei owns only a little over 1% of the company, the rest 98%+ is owned by employees via the Huawei Workers Union. Huawei is a company essentially owned by its workers.
Meng isn’t some spoiled heiress. She has a Master degree in finance and she started as office clerk 20 years ago when the company was nobody in the telecom business.
I should think Huawei, its founder, and Meng herself, deserve a little respect.
Usually I think your comments are just weird, but this time I think you have a point.
“Normal countries like China ”
You’ve got to be joking.
This is getting tiresome. Huawei set up Skycom as a cutout to evade US sanctions of Iran. Ms. Meng CFO Huawei, met with bank officials and lied to them that Skycom was unconnected to Huawei. The banks on her word served as a conduit of a revenue stream Iran to Skycom to Huawei, for sanctioned tech. Conspiracy to Fraud, Fraud, Wire Fraud,Conspiracy to Evade Sanctions, Evading Sanctions. Ms. Meng is in a lot of trouble, but will serve no jail time, big fine paid by Daddy. This prosecution serves to deter others. Personally I oppose sanctions of Iran, but my opinion means squat, but is coherant. Yours, Colin Wright, is incoherant and means less than squat.
Shelly Adelson pushes nation-wrecking mass immigration and multicultural mayhem.
Adelson is a Jew billionaire who wants to keep the mass immigration floodgates open in the USA, while deporting and expelling all the infiltrators in Israel.
Adelson and other Jew billionaires bribe the treasonous rat GOP politicians to continue to use the United States military as muscle to fight wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia.
The Pewitt campaign for president in the 2020 GOP presidential primary election will fully explore the relationship between President Trump and the Jew billionaire Shelly Adelson.
Candidate Trump promised to reduce legal immigration and deport all illegal alien invaders, but Trump as president has done the bidding of open borders Adelson on immigration policy.
Adelson’s stranglehold over GOP foreign policy and immigration policy must be broken to defend and protect the United States of America.
Ron Unz should keep the focus on Shelly Adelson, because the corporate media won’t do it.
The corporate media will attack Trump on just about everything, but they give Trumpy a pass when it comes to Jew billionaire Shelly Adelson and his control of the Republican Party.
Tweet from 2015:
Do hold yer effing breath.
Ms Meng obviously uses something digital to “whiten” her skin in photos, how is that “nonsense”? I having some fun, so what? And no I don’t find it strange, in fact I find the ” girl from the north”, a “white ghost sister”, in a dead heat for ” most beautiful girl-type on earth” with an Aryan Princess. I like a “white ghost sister” so much that…(you fill in the blank NZLex). As for “Sinophobia” newspeak, Traditional Chinese Medicine and Chinese Astrology is a daily part of my life, along with (fill in the blank). No, Ms. Meng will not go to prison, she will go home a smarter girl, and yes you’ve got your panties in a knot “on many levels”.
Gawd. No wonder your girls don’t like you(collective plural).
To me people who because they dislike America must now support China or Russia remind me of the Leftists who instead of overcoming racism just develop ethnic loyalties towards foreign races and racial animosity towards their own group.
The basic structure of their thinking remains the same – there are good guys vs bad guys, good races and bad races, and you gotta fill in the blanks. But the categories in which they think don’t change.
Pointing out (to China) the vulnerability of Adelson, is statecraft-thinking at its finest. And it also demonstrates that few people are more concerned about reining in the Fiend, (or however people want to characterize it) than Americans of good faith, (like Mr. Unz) who’re as concerned over the insanity, (endless wars and bloodshed for Israel) as any decent person would be.
But the real genius of Mr. Unz proposal, is the paradigm shift.
The previously cloaked, but now brutally obvious reality that if you want to do something about the psychopathically deranged foreign policy of zog (and that goes for France and England and Ukraine and others as well), you do not look at the potus or congress or certainly not the entirely irrelevant American people. No. Rather, you look straight at the man behind the curtain. Pulling the levers and turning the dials of the monstrous farce.
In a way this article is like Toto. ‘Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!’
All those phone calls from China’s diplomatic corp., and all those emails and back room discussions at the UN and elsewhere, and all for nothing.
Because they’re like petitioning Obama, or even Hillary or congress, over the war on Libya or Syria. When everyone knows those stooges had little to nothing to do with the actual decision to destroy those countries. So why bother with the puppets, when it’s the puppet master who matters.
The reason the ZUS regime is so loath to end it’s support for MbN isn’t because of oil. Or even MIC contracts with the kingdom. Nope. Rather it’s because the alliance with the House of Saud is considered “good for the Zionist Jews’. As the House of Saud considers a free Iran as competition for hegemony in the region. And so their hostility to a free Iran dovetails perfectly with Israel’s desire to see Iran crushed by the ZUS and sent reeling into a stone age dystopia for a generation or five.
So if you want to end the starvation of Yemen’s children, you don’t talk to Trump, or congress or the UN. No. You go straight to bibi and his cabal of cut throats and thieves, and you make a deal.
This is what was done in Syria. Statecraft at its finest:
https://i1.wp.com/theduran.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Bibi.jpg?fit=758%2C570
The status of the Golan will have to remain murky, for now..
And so Mr. Unz is insightful (not that I’m needed to point that out ; ), that for any negotiations to be fruitful, it’s imperative that you negotiate with the person in charge. And Adelson is as close to that person as any I can think of, baring the devil himself.
But what would happen, if China did go after Adelson? For starters there would be seven movies in the pipeline showing China was really behind the Holocaust, and Mao’s genocide was only a precursor to global imperialism for these Nazi-type of Chinese! – who steal our patents and inject opioids into our youth!
The ((entire machine)) would burst into action as one, CNN and MSNBC and Fox News and Hollywood and the BBC would become hysterical, and there’d actually be calls to wonder about the wisdom of Favored Nation Status, and ten times more ZUS belligerence in the China seas, and so forth..
That’s how it works, and how it always has worked. But the more people that understand this, the better..
Makes as much sense to me as anything else I’ve read.
You are right in some things, wrong in others. Yes, China supported anyone who opposes India in its neighborhood, including Pakistan and Sri Lanka. But China does not want to fight India, that’s why (likely with the mediation of Putin) both India and Pakistan were accepted into Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
Yes, under Nixon the US did a lot to play China against Russia. This game was successful for a while, but then the US (under the last four presidents) shot itself in the foot: by silly provocations in Ukraine, South China Sea, and elsewhere the US pushed China and Russia to a de-facto alliance (most unnatural, if you ask me, except under duress; brainless US policy created that duress).
Vietnam was a more complex thing than you say. First, it is thousands of miles from the US, so the US shouldn’t have been involved there at all. Second, Gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag the US created and used to justify its involvement in Vietnam. China was very jealous of the USSR influence in Vietnam. It even invaded Vietnam in 1979 to assert itself. In hindsight, that was a huge mistake China made. However, they learned from their mistakes and never did anything this stupid again (in contrast to the US).
Chinese economy grew at a breakneck pace due to blind greed of the US elites: they transferred production to China to maximize their profits. Now, thanks to them, our industry is a pale shadow of what it used to be 30 years ago. Every time I go to a store, I try to find things not made in China, and every year it gets harder and harder. Nowadays the best I can do is buy things made in the Philippines or Vietnam.
You are right that Trump’s trade war with China today is a perfect example of closing the barn doors after the horse has escaped. That’s my point exactly: nobody does more damage to the US dollar and the US in general than American globalist elites. Our “leadership” are remarkably short-sighted globalist traitors ruining our country for their immediate profits, benefiting MIC and various large corporations. In terms of degeneracy and shortsightedness they are approaching Ukrainian elites. It is regrettable, but I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel.
bored identity will repeat himself:
1. Unz’s evergrowing obsession with his fellow tribesmen is turning to be unhealthy, and unproductive.
2. bored identity assures y’all that Shelly is not big about packing Las Vegas with PRICS (Palestinians,Russians,Iranians, Canadians, Somalis ) Enrichment, and y’all should know why.
Of course, you do.
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4, Leave Shelly Alone !!! , or bored identity’s you tube video with the same message is his next step .
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If you ask bored identity, Won Un Ze just Jump The Shylock with this article.
Adelson no doubt was hoping that the good relations he has cultivated with both the Chinese and American governments would keep him out of the line of fire. He’d be shooting himself in the foot to have had any traceable involvement at all with the broader trade dispute since it erupted. Prior to that, it wouldn’t be surprising if he was pushing for sustained good relations between the two countries, and of course any way to help Israel without getting himself in trouble.
Unfortunately for the US and possibly for the rest of the world, American elites went the same way as Soviet elites: from nimble and cunning operators to clueless degenerates hurting themselves more than anyone else. The US foreign policy makes enemies out of potential allies, pushes others to form any alliances they can to resist the US bullying (Russia and China being a perfect example), saddles the country with unsupportable debt, all for perceived short-term profits and to the detriment of long-term survival of the US. Current tantrums of the Empire and its remarkably stupid hysterical actions all over the world aren’t going to stop.
Whatever!
CNN is right!
Lets impeach Trump. Lets remove him from Presidency and put him in prison for life. (Or execute him) After all now Cohen is witness to it that he did pay prostitutes twice.
The worst thing here is that prostitutes did not experience any pleasure from sex.
That is the worst abuse of prostitutes imaginable, and it should carry a death penalty.
After Trump will be executes little turmoil will follow. But there is no reason to worry.
AIPAC is more than capable of handling the situation.
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This is no joke! I am really serious.
This will also solve all Chinese problems.
well, that didn’t stop me from chuckling.
But one of my mantras is that the cud-chewing, TV watching, ZUS sheople are not all that unique from other ‘patriots’.
As Donbas is menaced by Porky, (another example of a stooge propped up as ‘the leader’, when ((others)) are pulling his strings), I can’t help but lament the dubious narrative of the Red Army as great liberators of Europe. What difference is there between USA! chanting imbeciles, vs. ultra-nationalistic Russians demanding that Ukrainian men who fought the Red Army, were traitors and ‘fascists’ and ‘Nazis’?
If American and Russian citizens could look at their respective narratives with a little more nuance, then perhaps the stooges like Porky could be left pounding sand, with no ‘enemy’ to rally against.
Russians and Ukrainians are indistinguishable to myself and most non-Russians / Ukrainians.
Why are they being set at each other’s throats?
The answer is that zog is using their ancient hostiles, left over from that evil war, to foist death and misery once again. And all because of these false narratives, like the Red Army as “great liberators”.
So I don’t know who’s more cretinous, the USA! chanting Americanus Bovinus, or the modern day champions of the Red Army Rapists.
In any case, just as with Mr. Unz thoughtful solution to the China debacle here, I wonder if the same solution could be accomplish in Ukraine, by telling Kolomoyskyi he’s under tax investigation. I suspect that sending that ((rat)) back to Israel, would go a long way towards mollifying the war drums in Donbas.
IOW you have to concentrate on the root of the problem, or you’re just hacking at the branches.
IMHO
As long as those imports are flooding in, then Trump’s tariffs are punishing the treasonous American globalist elites that you rightly excoriate. He’s finally doing something about the very thing you’re talking about. Why pooh-pooh his efforts? Why let those globalist elite scum continue to profit off the misery of the working class? Why not make them pay (something!) for their infinite treachery and greed?!
If Putin vacated Syria tomorrow, and agreed that “Assad has to go”, then the degenerate goons in Ukraine would be left blowing in the wind without their patron – in a New York second. Nobody gives a rip about Crimea, the only reason they screech about it is because Putin put the kibosh on destroying and dismembering Syria. Something very near and dear to the PTB, (whom Mr. Unz is writing about in this article).
The entire brouhaha in Ukraine is all a foisted construct of the ZUS State Dept. and CIA, etc.. I’m sure you know that. Porky and the Ukros are not the problem. The problem is the Zios who own and control the central banks.
It’s the same charade going on now in England. With all these people pretending as if Theresa May has any say whatsoever. She’s a stooge. Like all the rest. What it all boils down to is the outrage of the typical British citizen vs. the banksters who own their government fee simple. And have slated England (and Europe and the entire West) for the trash heap of history. Duh.
The conflagration in Ukraine is only part of that ((wider agenda)).
The only thing Shelden Adlelson is more passionate about than Zionism is mass immigration into the West.
But what if Canada ceased to be a puppet of America and showed signs of becoming a puppet of China? If the US withdrew from foreign military adventurist intervention and brought all its armed forces home it is perfectly predictable that other countries would be dismayed, intimidated, and resign themselves to fall under the shadowy over-lordship of China (and it will cast a very long shadow). First would be Japan and India, but Russia would have to be far more placatory if America let China alone and left Russia in the lurch: they would have to come to an understanding with China or spend vast amounts on defence against the burgeoning Titan on its border. After seeing resource rich countries such as Venezuela, Cuba, Brazil and Mexico becoming friendly with China and benefiting from trade with the world’s largest market, is it so silly to think that Canada would also want to have the closest possible links? Confucianist China does not think like that? I afraid this posts evinces a reverse USA exceptionalism: America as the Black Hats.
I switched to a Huawei smartphone from Samsung a few years ago after these VM (Virtual Machine) revelations came to light. As I recall, my smartphone has an 8 core Huawei CPU. Samsung not only has ZOG vulnerable hardware, it has also been exposed for allowing other NSA back doors to stay open, and I figured that with Huawei smart phone at least there was a chance that they were not recording everything running through the CPU.
The insurance company where I used to work switched from Cisco/IBM/HP to almost pure Hauwei beginning several years ago. They tore out all the fancy IBM/EMC disks and replaced them with triple redundant Huawei SSD’s. They tore out all the switching gear and replaced it with Huawei too. As I recall, their racks of servers were being replaced with Lenovo hardware, chinese as well. Service was excellent, performance too. I am a long time datacenter DB guy, so I do know a little about it.
I also know that these kinds of computing infrastructure decisions are very political. IBM is famous for strong arming its way into every major IT project on the planet. IBM, like all the rest of the MIC parasites, has over-leveraged itself massively with stock buy backs, so it would not surprise me if they and Cisco, etc. have been applying pressure for trade relief. But I certainly don’t think that Trump would lock up Meng for this reason.
“China was very jealous of the USSR influence in Vietnam. It even invaded Vietnam in 1979 to assert itself.”
That’s not the reason of the 1979 invasion. China was supporting Vietnam in its war against the US but the relation between the two countries began to turn sour when the US and China starting talking after the Kissinger visit culminating in the establishment of diplomatic relation between the two countries in 1979. Vietnam felt it was back stabbed by China because China was making friend with the country Vietnam was fighting with high human cost. So Vietnam was bitter and verbal recrimination from Vietnam turned into physical violence. Every so often RPG from Vietnam would be lobbed across the border into China. China repeatedly warned Vietnam to stop it but it fell to deaf ears. After a long period of warning China finally had enough and launch an attack on Vietnam. Vietnam got the message and the border was restored to tranquility to this present day.
There are also geopolitical dimensions to the invasion. A few months before the invasion Vietnam signed a mutual defense pact with the Soviet Union aimed obviously at China. The invasion was meant to demonstrate Soviet Union’s impotency. Soviet Union did nothing, exactly what China wants it. The invasion was also meant to send a signal to Vietnam to get out of Cambodia.
Aw shucks! There goes my fantasy of the chinadoll being gobbled up by aumtie L’Jemima.
The money-men thought they could control Caesar but they could not. Countries have emergent qualities and war cuts the elites down to size. It was global strategic considerations by the Deep State that let US elites grow China. Now the Pentagon are becoming alarmed, not just at the size of the Chinese economy and their kleptomaniac intellectual property policy, but their burgeoning innovation. In a sense Trump is the Deep State’s man.
Lets say the US withdrew its forces from all foreign countries, and mere defended American soil; where would that leave Russia? The EU already has enough strategic nuclear weapons and multiple times the defence spending and soldiers of Russia (much weaker than the USSR was) and potentially all population and money it needs to be more than a match for Russia, so the Europeans would build strong conventional forces if America was absent. That would not be very good news for Russia. Germany alone if it re armed would be an opponent best avoided. In the Ukraine Russia might well see an improvement in its position–in a dump of no economic value.
However, the correlation of forces for Russia would be infinitely worse in its east if it was left with no America to play China off against. It must never be forgotten that the current expectation is China will be four times what America is. Russia will be dwarfed. It would have a weak hand in the terms of its trade with China. The Chinese would not stand for their oil pipelines being turned off like Ukraine’s were over a dispute.
Che/,,…
‘I envy you. You North Americans are very lucky. You are fighting the most important fight of all. [sic] You live in the belly of the beast.‘
From the fukus led eight nations alliance
To the current fukus led eighteen nations alliance,
‘The anti-Chinese efforts of this coalition known as the Five
EyesLies (FVEY) has recently been joined by Germany, Japan and France that want to oppose Chinese investments into various regions of the world.’https://journal-neo.org/2018/12/10/anglo-saxon-eyes-are-fixed-on-countering-china/
The barbarians have never left the gates has it ?
All these fawning over jp manage to miss its finest virtue,
BUsh,
‘jp is our ATM which doesnt require a pin number’
hehehheh
The Battle of Okinawa 2009: Obama vs Hatoyama
https://apjjf.org/-Gavan-McCormack/3250/article.html
Hatoyama wanted to make up with China,
that’s a cardinal sin according to Washington,
a palace coup soon ousted the Panda hugger.
The rest is history.
Before World War II embroiled many nations in conflict, the U.S. sent mercenary pilots to China in an effort to halt the advance of Japanese forces. During the early stages of that war in the Pacific Theater, land-based U.S. Medium Bombers were launched from an aircraft carrier to attack Japanese cities where munitions plants were situated, and those planes would recover at locations within China, our ally. Over in the European sector, Russia was receiving U.S. aid in the form of weapons, aircraft and even training from western combat veterans to repel the German forces. Our allies suddenly became our enemies. Entanglements with other nations and cultures invariably erupts in conflicts. Unfortunately for the young men and women of their armies, they get the brunt of hostile actions when those conflicts elevate to the shooting variety. Americans have had enough of these banana wars, as we watch our young, our money and our sovereignty being sacrificed in the name of “Globalism”. Our country is blessed with every resource we need within our borders. We don’t have to send our soldiers to their doom in order to obtain energy supplies, food, raw materials for manufacturing or labor. Let those nabobs send their own offspring into conflicts they generate, and leave our population to fend for ourselves.
I get a vague feeling you are onto something here.
And if they were, they’d likely only use it for economic advantage, rather than genocidal intentions.
I trust the Chinese far, far more than I do the Zionists.
I’ve never allowed any computer I use for anything sensitive to be connected to the Internet. I’ve been convinced since day one that nothing was safe, and that every software and hardware platform on the planet has at least one backdoor, if for no other reason than access by the engineers to created them. But today I suspect that zog and Microsoft and Apple and Google and all the rest of the tech giants are feverishly mining data on the sheople. It’s the gold mine of the 21st century.
And the sheople welcome all the invasiveness, because it makes their lives more convienient.
They have Alexa or Google Home microphones in their bedrooms for God’s sake!
I use a flip phone for my main phone calls, and I keep a smart phone in the microwave when I’m not using it to text photos or other things for my business.
They are listening and watching EVERYTHING you do. And then collating it for maximum weaponization. I remember hearing how Experian said they’d been ‘hacked’, and that millions of their customer’s data had been ‘compromised’. You hear this over and over, and I’m convinced they’re selling that data. It’s a f’n gold mine for marketers and other sinister actors.
And now you can pay Experian to “protect” all your data and search history and passwords and everything from those bad players on the ‘Dark Web’, if you just give it all to them and then pay them to keep all that data “safe”.
It boggles the mind, to comprehend just how cow-like people actually are.
Obviously China would like to be ascendant, and overtake the West and be the big dog on the block. And so I no doubt figure they’re up to no good. But if the Chinese had every reason for resenting the West, and wanting to get some revenge for slights past or present, there’s still, no way in a trillions years they could ever muster the kind of genocidal rancor for my kind (Western Gentile) that lingers in the black heart of every Zionist, Jewish supremacist around.
It’s just not in their genes. They don’t know how, and simply are not constructed to hate like that.
Whereas ZOG, on the other hand, will never, ever relent until every last white goyim on the planet is being stomped on the face with an iron boot of ZOG. It is written.
So yea, I would agree with you, that using Chinese technology for your computer and smart phone and Internet needs, makes sense, if it manages to keep ZOG at bay.
The Chinese may want to be economically ascendant over me, but Sheldon Adelson wants me and mine (Brexit voters, Yellow Vest protesters) ground into the dirt and genocided off the face of the planet.
forchrissake
Spare us those nonsense, its getting stale.
When Tel Aviv tried to sell arms to China,
fukus hollered, ‘no way’ , gave the Israelis a good spanking/
Yet Israel is free to sell as much arms to India as it like, even when competing with the murikkans who’r also pushing arm sales to India.
So…
‘Z-controlled’ fukus freely sell arms to India but not China.
‘Z-controlled’ fukus allows Israel to sell arms to India but not China,.
OBviously you Indians are Z’s chosen people.
elementary Watson.
But this begs the question,
Doesnt it looks like the dog is whacking the tail here ?
hehehhe
Concise and informative.
I hear you.
Also, works on simple personal psychological level.
Firstly, it’s also virtue-signalling and feels good. “I am so good: smart, informed and on the side of good”.
Secondly, it is sort of escapism.
A person isn’t happy with the world around him/her, and, well, there are plenty of reasons for that. Small step from there to depression and the rest. Not good. A hope is demanded. Any hope.
Russia and/or China is that hope for those types.
Now, that applies for minority of true believers in West we see online.
The rest, majority, they have other motives…….
Ilyana Rozumova said: “AIPAC is more than capable of handling the situation.”
Agreed, above, Ilyana!
President Trump, presently under scandal-fire, has served Likud Israel extremely well,
and AIPAC stink-tanks understand Trump could not effect violent Syrian regime change because of Putin’s incredible obstacle.
Soon ZUS’s minority of citizens who partake in presidential “primary” voting will have less Likud-controlled, but nonetheless fully Jewish Lobby-endorsed Democrat Party candidates to “choose” from! Argh.
For an early example, Ilyana, America’s Zio Media is presently spewing likely (controlled) opinion polls that indicate former-Obama V.P., and ever-Zionist, Joe Biden, is leading the liberal pack.
Suppose the Democrat campaign stump “bait” to ‘Merikans will be undertaking rougher treatment with President Putin’s (& possible successor?) uncooperative approach to Syria & Iran, and the “switch” will be trying Obama’s Foreign Policy “Lite” approach to dealing with Israel’s perpetual Likud rule.
Thanks, Ilyana! US President “names” change, but fairly consistent supportive foreign policy remains Israeli dominant.
Selah, a T.S. Eliot paraphrase; Chief Executives come & go, but candidates are as solid as unrepentant Pinocchio.
Hmmmm.
Actually, , The Chinese along with Russian military and government need to by destroyed with a massive nuclear attack.
Anything short of that is a waste of time and resources….
Tick-Tock !
If the US withdrew its forces from places where they should not be stationed and defended its borders instead, we’d save at least $500 billion per year, as well as our country. China will certainly be an economic behemoth. Current US military spending cannot stop history, it only cripples the US and fastens its downfall from the dominant position. Vassals will suffer, too.
Russian economy is and will always be much smaller that China’s, but that won’t prevent cooperation: in the foreseeable future China needs many thing Russia has (grains, water, military hardware, etc.), and Chinese leaders understand that it’s a lot cheaper to trade than to fight. I wish the American elites understood that.
As to military balance in Europe, we should remember that military prowess is not determined by toys or expenditures, but by the will to fight. That’s why NATO forces with all their advanced ridiculously expensive toys are afraid to venture outside of their heavily fortified bases in Afghanistan, whereas Taliban with cheap Kalashnikovs and medieval mentality roam the country freely. Europeans (including Germans) have lost their fighting spirit long ago. Their pathetic reaction to the recent wave of third-world invaders, when they failed even to protect their women from savages, shows that. That’s why even big European countries (like Germany, France, or UK) are now pathetic subservient vassals of the US, which pygmies like Nicaragua, Iran, NK, or Venezuela are not afraid to challenge. Russians still have fighting spirit, so any encounter of Russia with unified Europe would end exactly as it did in the times of Napoleon or Hitler. Deep down Europeans understand that. Without the US meddling they would be ready to trade with Russia, not to fight it.
You are right about Ukraine: it is a toxic asset. This basket case would weaken anyone owning it. Today it is dragging the US and the EU down, but exit the US, Europeans would drop it like a hot potato. It would remain a big headache for Russia, Poland, and other neighbors, as that huge Somalia right on their doorstep would remain an irritant for a long time. That’s inevitable now: the US ruined what could have been a country, and there are no volunteers to fix it.
Overall, the world can be a fairly decent place if the US, China, and Russia come to an agreement and stop arming and using various thugs, Islamic and non-Islamic, against each other. China and Russia are willing, but the US today is not a credible partner, as any agreement with it is worthless (remember the Iran deal that the US broke very recently). Thus, the ball is in the US court. I don’t see any signs that the US will behave sensibly any time soon. More is the pity.
That is an interesting article on the five eyes, but not once does it mention Israel.
All the details about these sundry domestic spying clubs, yet no one dares mention Israel and the jews. We know that the Christian Zionists and the Lubbovitzer’s are pushing for the third temple in Jerusalem, yet no one making an earning from media is willing to recognize the elephant in the middle of the room. It is clearly not Israel that is conducting endless warfare across the middle east on behalf of the US an Europe. How can all these media buffoons continue to pretend that it is in any of the “5 eyes” interest to be involved in Syria, Afghanistan or Ukraine?
As I have said before, Nato is in reality just the Rothschild army. All these various spy organizations, like 5 eyes, are merely jewish controlled goyim subversion organizations. The real issue here with Huawei would be jewish primacy and control of the worlds internet infrastructure. Ultimately the jews are demanding the same level of control over the worlds IT backbone as they have enjoyed over the world’s banking backbone for over 100 years. If you want to play, you have to play by Hebrew rules.
Just the same as with central banks playing under rules established by BIS, IMF and World Bank. Assuming maintaining this total jewish IT control is the reason for Meng’s arrest, it clearly has nothing to do with US/China trade relations.
If the sanctions are wrong (and they are), then how is it fraud to evade them?
This is like Bobby Fisher being hounded by ZOG for playing chess (his livelihood) in Serbia.
Or the unilateral demand that every nation ignore international law and deliver Edward Snowden over to ZOG.
Just because ZOG makes some kind of demented demand, doesn’t make it legal or right.
In fact, if we’ve learned anything over the past few decades, it’s that ZOG is nothing more than a mass-murdering, criminal wager of illegal and immoral aggressive wars on innocent nations that have done it no harm. Having destroyed nation after nation, and murdered or maimed or displaced untold millions. Pretending like its unilateral proclamations have merit, is perhaps the most sniveling thing we the people of the planet could engage in.
China has every right to trade with Iran. As does every other nation or person on the planet. In fact, we all have a moral right to ignore the criminal ZOG at every opportunity.
I’m reminded of Eisenhower’s death camps for teenage German boys after the war was “over”.
Eisenhower illegally proclaimed that these boys were not POWs, but he designated them something else, so that he could murder them en masse. The proclamation was illegal, immoral and wrong, but he did it anyways. But did that stop those men- with a shred of morality still left in their souls- to get some aid and food to these boys slated for starvation and death by exposure?
No, there were American soldiers who ignored the immoral and depraved edicts from this war criminal, and got food to the starving boys as they could.
Did they commit a crime? Only if you pretend that Eisenhower had some kind of justification for his murderous criminality. Which he didn’t, other than genocidal hatred.
And it is the exact same kind of criminal, genocidal hatred that motivates ZOG to declare their unilateral sanctions on Iran.
The world should not care how many Zionist ghouls demand that sanctions are “worth it”.
They are the criminals, not the righteous people who disobey them.
Rurik noted: “I trust the Chinese far, far more than I do the Zionists.”
Hey Brother Rurik!
Am betting, re; above sentence, so does (Trans Pacific Partnership), Likud-Lite Obama, and presently, even Zio Trump is probably feeling, in-the-gut, a level of similar distrust with several of them.
Very logical thinking. But.
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The Greeks used to think that hope was the source of great folly, and could often turn into a vice.
I like your analysis. Dissatisfaction, and hope, are prime movers for humans. Especially in the West. I think St Paul said a Christian lives on hope. Christian civilization seems more future-oriented than any other, more based on hope, and more fuelled by dissatisfaction.
Whether this is good depends on individual preferences. Certainly it accounts for much of the creativity as well as much of the folly and self destructiveness of the West.
GrauKopf ?
Did your hair get gray?
“The PRC Should Retaliate by Targeting Sheldon Adelson’s Chinese Casinos”
This is pretty good idea, actually. Adelson is a member of the Ruling Class, so he’s not exactly well-liked by the masses. Sanctioning the guy might even win some sympathy among the American working class. Divide and conquer, as they say.
I cannot come to a definite conclusion That Zionist were trying to destroy US on purpose.
But hysterical demand of Israel for US military to destroy All Muslim states around Israel, and their greed for money by exporting US jobs to China and far east certainly did it.
(You know it makes a big difference to make products with Chinese labor and paying them two bucks an hour, than paying American laborer 20 bucks an hour.
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I could be wrong, but I still think the damage caused to US is beyond repair.
Trump is trying and trying but it would take a long time, and anyway he has no support of US politicians, and on top of it he will be gone soon.
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Good night America!!!! Sweet dreams.
A lasting agreement on the part of America could be come to with Russia because its power relative to America’s is stable. China will be in a position to impose its own rules in the foreseeable future. So America is supposed to come to an agreement and twiddle its thumbs until China does not have to worry? America knows what super-powerful countries do, because it has been busy doing it. What China will do when it becomes the most powerful state in the world will depend on how formidable the correlation of forces arrayed against it is, and nothing else. Russia will try to stay out and least pass the buck, but there are certain geopolitical and economic realities it will have to face about its place in a multi polar world.
“…NATO is just the Rothschild Army”. There are indications in history that point to “Globalism” or other International Organizational Campaigns being the products of World Jewry. The sequestering of historic elements which highlight these activities–World War II and the Holocaust being examples–unveil the efforts by these people to prevent goyim from connecting too many dots concerning their tribe’s involvement in world conflicts. We can dispense with history at this juncture, and focus on U.S. involvement in the Middle East. Even the most ‘enlightened’ Judeophile is able to detect the considerable influence upon America Foreign Policy emanating from Tel Aviv.
“Normal countries like China naturally assume that other countries like the US will also behave in normal ways, and their dumbfounded shock at Ms. Meng’s seizure has surely delayed their effective response.”
The United States isn’t a real country. It’s an empire ruled by a tiny alien elite that uses the power of the imperium for the benefit of their co-ethnics overseas; thus, sanctioning the world over inconsequential Iran…for Israel’s benefit. That’s what China doesn’t realize, and that’s why she is perplexed by this idiotic behavior: China is run by Chinese for the benefit of Chinese people, so they naturally assume the same is true of others. It isn’t. Perhaps specifically targeting members of this tiny elite my prove effective – economically sanction guys like Sheldon Adelson and impose diplomatic sanctions (travel bans) on neocons like Bill Kristol. Such a move might even be popularly received in the United States. We’ll see if China is capable of playing 4D chess with the best of them.
“With annual revenue of $100 billion, Huawei ranks as the world’s largest and most advanced telecommunications equipment manufacturer…”
What happened to all the guys who were claiming the Chinese lacked creativity and that China would collapse any day now? And I thought the Chinese only made junk and stole all their ideas. Don’t those guys look stupid now. Chaff.
Ah, Carol King….I love that song, but it’s never too late to use nuclear weapons.
Where’s Buck Turgidson and Jack T. Ripper when we need them ?
Hi Liza,
As you know, compukers have nearly destroyed the game of chess, turning an art into just another crappy algorithm. Magnus, playing black pieces, gained a small advantage in game 12. You are also aware of Magnus stating that at age 28 he is just not the Magnificent Magnus of age 23, his natural skills having deteriorated. He determined the position was too complicated to risk a loss, so he offered Caruana a draw. Caruana, greatly relieved, took the draw. Magnus knew he had a clear advantage in the speed chess playoff so why risk blowing it? The next day, Magnus blew away Fabiano in a speed chess demolition that would have impressed even the great Bobby Fischer. Former champions Kramnik and Kasparov did everything but call Magnus a coward for playing the odds. Magnus the next day at a news conference offered the thought that “Kramnik and Kasparov were both entitled to their stupid opinions”. Magnus is about as cranky as Fischer, and plays a very similar style…..Magnus’s favorite game is a Fischer knight vs bishop end game in which Fischer eventually found a way to win what everyone else considered to be a weaker drawn position. In general, knights are considered to be somewhat weaker than bishops. The age 23 Magnus used to play draw positions another 50 or 100 moves just to wear out the opponent, hoping for a mistake to flog for another 50 moves. Hope this stuff is of interest, and anytime you want to discuss chess……feel free to contact me by clicking on “nsa”. And thanks for your reply…..
Learn Mandarin? You are joking of course. First order of business is to speak and write Spanish in order to obtain or hold a job.
“Indeed, is President Trump himself anything more than a higher-level puppet in this very dangerous affair?”
I gave up on Trump long ago. His appointment of Bolton was the last straw. It’s obvious to me that one of a couple of things has happened 1) there has been a coup and he isn’t calling the shots 2) he is disinterested, incompetent, or weak willed, allowing the deep state to run circles around him as a result.
I think the first option has to be realistically considered in the wake of the following events (short list):
Trump has appointed several hawks, apparently against his own better judgement (he supposedly asked Bolton if he was going to start any wars when he was appointed).
The never ending Mueller probe – which by now must have determined minimal involvement by Russia in our elections, meaning that the affair is nothing but a treasonous dragnet mean to ensnare and entrap the president.
The corrupt FBI raiding the home of a Clinton Foundation whistle blower and then trying to keep the reasoning quiet. This was clearly done with the intention of dissuading further Clinton whistle blowers from coming forward; the FBI stands credibly accused of trying to elect Hillary in 2016 and that appears to be what they are doing now in covering for her.
The continual deplatforming of critics on social media; companies like Google are suspected of being in the back pocket of the US government.
Government protection given to antifa terrorists and continual selective prosecution of Trump supporters, even when they simply defend themselves against attack.
Continual escalation against Russia against Trump’s better judgement.
The suspicious actions of “journalists” – the fake news propaganda Politico ran fake news covering for the Gaurdian’s fake news on Assange…published by an ex-CIA agent under a fake name (clearly, this guy is an asset and perhaps so is Politico itself). This is one of many such incidents since Trump took office, including the WaPo running this ridiculous fake news story alleging a vast Russian conspiracy involving hundreds of agents within our government during the election.
The revelation that the deep state planted a mole in the Trump campaign and tried to plant a mole in his administration.
Continual legacy media attacks on alternative media and dissents on YouTube by means of attacking their finances.
Suspicious financing of left-wing activist media such as Polygon, the Verge, Buzzfeed, Vox, TYT, and various comic book companies that push extremist SJW politics. Just how exactly are these outlets paying for a vast array of people? The margin on internet stuff is way lower than one might think. It’s almost as if there are suspicious actors paying the bills…
The NYT Op-Ed where a Trump administration insider brags that s/he’s running a treasonous campaign of subversion against the people.
As usual you are bullshitting and make up things as you go just to undermine. Greeks analyzed the concept of hope, like almost everything else they look at, very thoroughly and saw all sides of it. Pretty much anything that can be said about, say hope, has been said by Greeks. Here is one of many sides:
“Thus, even though not every hopeful person is courageous, every courageous person is hopeful. Hopefulness creates confidence, which, if derived from the right sources, can lead to the virtue of courage. Gravlee (2000: 471ff.) identifies two further considerations that are relevant for hope’s value in Aristotle’s thought. First, hope underlies deliberation, which is needed for any exercise of a virtuous disposition. Second, hopefulness is also presented as valuable in its connection with youth and the virtue of megalopsychia (high-mindedness): hopefulness spurs us to the pursuit of the noble.”
You have things backwards: Pakistan’s renowned physicist A.Q. Khan sold NK the tech back in the 1990’s. Pakistan received uranium from the US via the Eisenhower Admin.’s ‘Atoms for Peace’ program which continued for a whopping 60 years. Pakistan’s first reactor was presumably built by GE’s Canadian subsidiary.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1453353/Ive-sold-nuclear-secrets-to-Libya-Iran-and-N-Korea.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pakistans-nuclear-bomb-maker-says-north-korea-paid-bribes-for-know-how/2010/11/12/gIQAZ1kH1H_story.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/oct/19/pakistan.northkorea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atoms_for_Peace
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2013/12/18/sixty-years-of-atoms-for-peace-and-irans-nuclear-program/
This is what I said –
This clearly does not say hope is always a vice, only that it can turn into one, and that it is also the source of great folly – which does not mean it is only the source of great folly.
If you read the full entry from which you excerpted, I am correct.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hope/#AnciAccoHope
In some situations, a certain amount of hope can be a good thing – but hope can be a dangerous thing also.
Metaphysical hope, as a virtue, seems to be found only in Christianity – which is future-oriented. The Great Event is supposed to happen in the future, and one lives in hope.
In my opinion, this is the source of much unhappiness in the West. I favor an attitude of acceptance towards life, the world, and self, and find the Christian attitude to often slip into either extreme of world rejection – utopianism, or despair of the world. I reject both. I favor the Buddhist Middle Way.
However, I consider the religion that grew up around Jesus to often deviate from his teachings in many ways, and I regard many of his sayings in the Gospels as promoting something very similar to the Middle Way, and an acceptance of life.
That is just my opinion.
Pfft. They’re just jealous. The point is to win the match. You are right that computers have changed everything – and not for the better. Maybe a solution would be to change over to Bobby Fischer’s random chess (960). This system would definitely separate the men from the boys, wouldn’t it. I would love it if this new style was adopted, though. In recent years even the highest levels of matches are like watching Squirrel #1 and Squirrel #2 on their treadmills. But I doubt that the bosses in the official chess world would go along with a system of chess that tests your true brain power.
I am just a female and can barely remember how to play; I did play when I was in my 20s. But I do watch the world matches and the men in my household make the commentary. At some point they say they can’t figure out what on earth the two players are doing, it is too advanced to interpret. Would I be too nervy if I asked you what your rating is? Forgive me for asking if my question violates conduct; kind of like when you are a prisoner in the hoosegow you are not supposed to ask anyone why he is in there. 🙂
Thank you very much for your kind invitation to discuss chess.
What do you think of Houellebecq’s recent piece? It sounds like Houellebecq is giving a backhanded compliment to Trump, saying in effect that Trump has diminished American power and influence globally, thus allowing nationalism and populism some space in Europe and potential resurgence.
https://harpers.org/archive/2019/01/donald-trump-is-a-good-president/
I do hope that I do kill you. Will that make me noble?
It is fraud because The United States says it is fraud and has the power to enforce its will. Right and wrong are irrelevant. My point is the consequences of failing to be careful when the stakes are high. If Ms Meng wanted to run the Skycom scam, then don’t travel anywhere within reach of The United States, she was unbelievably stupid. The Bobby Fischer case was more complicated. Both the Russians and ZOG wanted vengeance. Fischer was arrogant and contemptuous, but lonely and needed money. So the Russkis used an 18 year old twat, Zita Rajcsanyi, to lure him to a Yugoslavia under sanctions. The US government warned him, he could have said “Let’s do this in Hungary”, but he was careless. Now Ed Snowden is a smart Aryan lad, and very careful, so his fate is to hang with Russian babes the rest of his days.
The United States isn’t a real country. It’s an empire ruled by a tiny alien elite that uses the power of the imperium for the benefit of their co-ethnics overseas; thus, sanctioning the world over inconsequential Iran…for Israel’s benefit.
A superpuppet
Yet you cannot prove it wrong. LOL
DB:
And the UN has the nerve to state that indigenous populations have a basic human right to their own lands, cultures, & languages EXCEPT for Europeans.
More projection: China will be bullying the world because that is exactly what America is doing now.
So explain this. Over the last 2000 years, China was by far the greatest power in East Asia, so of course she conquered Siberia. Oh, she didn’t? Why did she build the Great Wall instead?
Hope alone accomplishes nothing.
Hope is but one element of Christian idealistic philosophy. The other ideals are respect for life, loving your neighbor, seeking truth, forgiving the past, and extending grace to all. It is the combination of these ideals that works as a human engine for progress. Individually these ideals are never 100% reachable – and none of them “alone” can produce a better life. But practiced together, they can produce a better life for humanity – they already have – it is call “imperfect” Western culture.
If one could sum up Buddhist and Eastern philosophy in one word it would be “harmony.” The problem is that harmony is unchanging – that it is static. Keeping things in an unchanging static way is impossible. The universe will not let that happen – the universe is always changing. The inventiveness of the human mind abhors static. Long term harmony is unnatural.
Think Peace — Art
Trump is a puppet, absolutely true. Bolton is his ventriloquist now, and he’s not even bothering to drink water when he shakes Trump around and works his mouth. Keeping Trump ignorant of Meng’s arrest was a tour de force of public humiliation.
When you squeeze Adelson’s nuts in the vise, you are only incidentally penalizing Trump’s patron. More importantly, you are clamping down on the money-laundering apparat that tops up CIA’s slush fund for off-the-books criminal enterprise. With the Clinton Foundation under scrutiny and AML getting City of London banks under control, casinos have become more important to launder CIA’s drug and child trafficking or gunrunning revenues. And casinos themselves are on thin ice because of the spectacular liquidation, complete with attention-grabbing mass murder, of CIA money launderer and gunrunner Stephen Paddock. Casinos are CIA’s private remittance system. It’s time for an international initiative to shovel them out.
Believe the arrest Hauwei’s founder’s daughter is the result of a move in the positional warfare of jockeying for 5G networks business 10 years down the road.The effect of 5G commo will be of the same effect as everything else that has occurred with information transfer in the past 50 years of computer science to occur in about 5-10 years. I really can’t fathom what this new 5G network will do, but it seems BIG. Hauwei is one if not the biggest interest in making 5G happen and building (and owning) global 5G infrastructure) So some body is trying to guarantee a “piece of that action”. The Iran sanctions bit is just the method for leverage not the motive.
After 5G info networks the talk is about weird quatum physics stuff that really sounds akin to instantaneous travel/time travel and junk like that , 5G is half way there, real Moore’s Law starts eating Newtonian laws so to speak.
Can we get a list of politicans’ names and the amount of money accepted from Adelson published on Unz review. And AIPAC donations with names? Lets’s get all of this info on the table for all to see.
Things are a lot more trickier than it would seem.
Yes retaliation for deterrence is necessary and is a matter of principle. But for the moment the lady is somewhat free… The question is timing and how and not shoot from the hip.
The intrigue is really thick at the moment.
Go watch Robin Hood 2018 and compare the intrigue level Zhang Yimou Shadow (2018).
Right now, loose lips sink ships.
Canada shares a land border with the USA, how independent can they get?
Bravo Ron! You’re the man!!
“More projection: China will be bullying the world because that is exactly what America is doing now.”
That’s not projection. It’s fact. The Chinese are human and human history is filled with examples of this. Assertions to the contrary are extremely naive at best.
“China was by far the greatest power in East Asia, so of course she conquered Siberia.”
China was relatively weak for most of her recent history. That was certainly the case in the 18th and 19th centuries. China was in no position to conquer anything.
“so of course she conquered Siberia”
Rome never conquered modern day Germany. Doesn’t mean Rome wouldn’t have if given the opportunity. In fact, they did try; after a devastating loss, they abandoned the effort. The same applies to China. They were severely overstretched and faced stiff opposition. It was a challenge just to hold onto what they had. They would have conquered Siberia and most of Russia if the opportunity had presented itself. Their cousins the Mongols did.
“Oh, she didn’t? Why did she build the Great Wall instead?”
Ever heard of Hadrian’s Wall? Rome built walls, too; doesn’t mean they didn’t fight with and conquer other peoples. In both cases, those walls were built as a means of holding onto vast territories acquired before the age of modern science – which was orders of magnitude more difficult than in the present era. Both powers would have attempted (and did) to acquire even more territory before it was realized that doing so was untenable; indeed, those walls were built after long campaigns of unification and territorial conquest. Technology was what stopped them from expanding farther, not moralism.
To reiterate, the Chinese are human like the rest of you, so there is really no reason to believe they wouldn’t act the same way you have if given the chance.
Chinese history is one dominated by conquest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin%27s_wars_of_unification
Chinese policy is reunification with territories that would rather be separate entities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_reunification
Fair-minded, Ilyana Rozumova wants to believe: “(President) Trump is trying and trying…,”
Hey Ilyana!
I suppose his surrounding freaks, Mnuchin, Pompeii, and Bolton, have the president convinced that he is doing the right thing to MAGA.
In 1984, a wise University of Scranton Political Science professor lectured and suggested that the worst totalitarian-state leaders/dictators (in 20th Century history) took account of their nation’s devastating domestic & foul foreign policies, & convinced themselves that they were doing good.
I consider the US as illusionary democratic/totalitarian & such is based upon the following characteristics:
First, Ilyana, shall offer an acceptable totalitarian state example: The USSR had one ruling ideology, Marxist-Leninism. Okay, so now let’s roll!
The US ‘guvmint has one ideology, & it is Croney Capitalist (Wall Street)/Zionism.
The US ‘guvmint seized the vital means of production and bequeathed to hapless Americans, job off shoring / out sourcing.
The US has multiple manifestations of MSM, but all news & opinion must maintain conformance with the adaptations Corporate Zionist Media Jews want to disseminate.
The US is inclined to aggressive irredentism and either invades or destabilizes any country that cannot retaliate & screw with them back; i.e. Putin’s Russia.
The US has a charismatic Executive (Mar a lago-Planetarchis) who can do war anywhere, and fuck up the balance of world trade & do so without much whimper from, let’s say…, a bund.
However much the US has not (yet) seized guns (weapons) from citizens, domestic serial murders are conveniently multiplying to suit Big ‘guvmint goals. Subsequently, the 2nd Amendment is taking on “friendly fire” from both ZioCon-gress camps, Democrats & the less noticed GOP.
Yes, Ilyana, doubtless Trump is “trying, trying” to do the GOOD assignments given to him by international Jewry, Adelson & Netanyahu.
Post scriptum: Totalitarian “Deciders” everywhere probably slept better when they opted to wage unnecessary & immoral wars against other evildoers and simultaneously dumbed down & gloriously vanquished their own (Homeland) “subjects.”
Thank you!
Hope makes everything else possible. W/o hope there is no ” respect for life, loving your neighbor, seeking truth, forgiving the past, and extending grace to all. “
Only to move soldiers to Ukraine.
I’m not sure “unbelievably stupid” is the proper description here, because her case is unprecedented. If there have been a prior case, then indeed she was very stupid. The problem here is not her alleged misconduct, but the way the law was selectively enforced. Numerous financial institutions and companies violated US sanctions on Iran in the past, both domestic and foreign, e.g., PayPal, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Standard Chartered, Wells Fargo, HSBC, Deutsche Bank, National Bank of Abu Dhabi, National Bank of Pakistan, Bank of Moscow, Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, etc. etc. Yet not a single executive from these organizations has ever be detained.
http://www.atimes.com/meng-wanzhou-arrest-a-stunning-provocation-to-china/
Good comment.
Human history is also filled with huge popaulations dying from the plague, but that doesn’t mean it will continue to happen. Humans are slow learners, but we learn.
You have got to be kidding. I notice you erased a critical part of my sentence, so I’ll put it back in:
China has been overwhelmingly powerful for most of the last two milennia in Asia. For 2000 years, she’s had vastly more than enough strength to conquer Siberia, but did not do so. Why not?
The tiny fragment of the Roman empire in Brittania was not strong enough to conquer the northern part of the island, so the Romans built Hadrian’s Wall.
In contrast, China’s full power was right up against Siberia, but China chose to build the (vastly larger) Great Wall. Why?
I predict that the Chinese won’t behave at all like the Americans.
Paul Singer’s vulture fund, Elliott Associates, has built an entire business model on a similar technique.
Makes it much easier to arbitrage distressed/ defaulted sovereign debt when you can leverage the power of the US government as your collection agency…
I like your ideals.
Harmony does not mean static, it just means two elements not in conflict. If change happens, you go with it, you don’t resist it.
Progress envisions an end state of one set of ideals, but everything depends on its opposite, so if one set of ideals triumphed the world would vanish.
For instance, if you had only cold and not hot, you’d never feel variations in temperature – you would have no concept of temperature. Temperature would simply vanish.
This applies to everything. Life depends on contrast – on pairs of opposites.
That’s why I prefer a cyclical view, and a sense that things aren’t quite the final word on reality. The world is too mysterious to be captured in terms like good and evil. If good triumphs, then it will abolish itself. We would be insensible to it. In the end, I think we just have to live in mystery.
That’s just my perspective – your perspective also has a long pedigree and has given comfort to countless people, so I don’t denigrate it.
‘Mormon-Science’ jumps off the pages.
It is crap. It is always crap.
It is always OBVIOUS crap.
Exactly. The genius of Christian philosophy is that it does not require perfection. It is set of ideals – ideals by definition are unreachable.
We are human. We are never always hopeful – always respectful of life, always loving, always truthful, always forgiving, and always graceful.
The good news is that in order to progress as a collective, we as individuals must do these good things most of the time – NOT all the time. The philosophy fits our humanness and its failings.
These ideals are like an engine where one part of the engine helps the other parts to continue running on and on.
Christian Western culture with all its flaws, is clearly the engine of human progress.
Think Peace — Art
“China was by far the greatest power in East Asia, so of course she conquered Siberia.”
What is this idiotic FN BS?
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Nobody conquered Siberia. Particularly not Chinese. They did have Mongols in their way.
There was nothing to conquer in Siberia. There were only forests that if anybody went in he newer did find his way out. (There are not so many sunny days days in Siberia.)
Eventually Russians built a railway through Siberia to bring in to Moskva lumber for firewood to heat up their samovars. Even the Golden horde going into Europe was going far south of Siberia.
Some people on this site are not only stupid, but they are total idiots.
Confused terminology. Hope in Christianity is linked to eschatology and not to metaphysics. A “future-oriented” metaphysics is a contradiction in terms, since metaphysical reality transcends the entire universe (meta-physics) and hence all temporal succession, that is, time.
Your opinion of the static is just that: individual opinion, and unrelated to knowledge.
‘This is getting tiresome. Huawei set up Skycom as a cutout to evade US sanctions of Iran. Ms. Meng CFO Huawei, met with bank officials and lied to them that Skycom was unconnected to Huawei. The banks on her word served as a conduit of a revenue stream Iran to Skycom to Huawei, for sanctioned tech. Conspiracy to Fraud, Fraud, Wire Fraud,Conspiracy to Evade Sanctions, Evading Sanctions. Ms. Meng is in a lot of trouble, but will serve no jail time, big fine paid by Daddy. This prosecution serves to deter others. Personally I oppose sanctions of Iran, but my opinion means squat, but is coherant. Yours, Colin Wright, is incoherant and means less than squat.’
Your argument assumes the US rules the world. That isn’t actually the case.
We’re about to learn that.
Spanish languages speakers are not wanted. Hispanic people with Spanish names are wanted. Big difference
The reason Ron’s California referendum ending bi lingual Spanish English education in the public schools passed was that we were sick of hearing that we should all learn to speak Spanish Why? So we could talk to our maids janitors dishwashers ?
The latest educational fad is Mandarin. The myth is that we will be welcomed by the Chinese who will take over the USA. Or we can move to China and assimilate. Won’t happen. The Chinese like their fellow Chinese, not non Chinese who happen to speak Chinese
At first I though you were an idiot, then I read further, and you quickly became the funniest man alive.
Well done Sir!
Zionism has no place in East Asia to begin with.
The evidence so far suggests that we actually do rule the world. But if Russia and China push back too hard we might have to take the mask off and get tough. It could mean a big loss of domestic support (and probably domestic freedom), some embarrassing myth-shattering, casualties and loss of the balance of world opinion for a long time.
Holding some C level former Canadian diplomat? Come on China, prove you’re a serious nation, you can do much, much better.
Do they want the rest of the tariffs right now? I suspect Trump would love a good pretext.
Last Straw, your argumentation might be called an “apples to oranges fallacy”. The entities you named are all financial institutions, operate as a revenue conduit only, and are legally sophisticated, so that they can make a reasonable representation that they were deceived, still they must cease and desist and pay a fine. Ms Meng set up Skycom as a Huawei controlled cutout to evade sanctions, then herself, in person, lied to bank officers, that’s fraud, thats not very bright. Allegedly she avoided travel to the US, knowing she was vulnerable to arrest. Despite this knowledge, she transited in Canada, a country that closely cooperates with the US. It is not unreasonable to say that’s ” unbelievably stupid”.
China gave missile parts to Pakistan. That is a fact.
Yes but his ‘typo’ is right in away. Portugal has been an ally of the UK for decades and I’m sure the UK Jews helped the poorer ‘Portugee‘ ones. (Wry grin)
Ya know, I’ve never really read any of his work much but I did read this one and yeah it was pretty good.
The problem is the Chinese and the Jews have two big things in common. Their love of money and their lack of Jesus.
Thank you! An excellent summary. You make certain important institutions, such as AEI and Atlantic Council (and other similar stink tanks), totally redundant.
The EC was the political wing of Nato, in which the US was providing extra nukes (that the Europeans had no intention of letting them use) and a substantial army to indicate that the world’s most powerful economy would oppose them in a global war they could not hope to win, if for some unfathomable reason they wanted the trouble of taking western Europe.
Russia is far weaker than the Soviet Union, and America was turning to confront China well before Trump. As PM of Britain, David Cameron cut right back on military spending and said the army would be not be in readiness for actual fighting. Germany was and is even worse–they have almost completely run their forces down. I America is begining to put them on all on notice that the free ride for Germany France and Britain is going to begin coming to an end in a decade or so and they will have to spend serious money on conventional arms, not to deter an attack on Western Europe (too built up now for tanks and their support even if Russia had them), but an attack on the Baltic states in Nato. Russia has a quarter of the manpower and economic strength that Europe has so deterring Russia does not require America any longer. America is going to focus on China
I don’t see China’s growth declining as Houellebecq’ predicts.. Nor do I see a bright future for America of France
Even if, as Ron Unz says, China’s rise has nothing to do with America’s societal decline and rising inequality, that does not mean taking China down could not be the cure for America and the West.
Roman era of the first three centuries is considered the happiest time in human history. Pax Romana it was called. One could travel all across the Mediterranean sea with no worries. This is one of the reasons Christianity spread so easily in the first three centuries. The US never did a Pax Americana. It has been a Pox Americana on the Mediterranean area since 1913. WWI, WWII, Cold War, War on Terror, Endless Seven Nations to Destroy Agenda in the middle east, Crack Cocaine CIA selling, Opioid Deep state selling, Operation Gladio, etc, – are some highlights of Pox Americana. The Roman Empire has been warmly remembered by millions of people for generations. Empires can do good. The US empire did a bit of good in the Cold war in Europe and East Asia. It has been downhill since, whatever good it did in the Cold war era it is destroying all that good in Europe, in the five eye nations, and slowly in East Asia. The saddest thing of all is the US empire is led around on a leash by a tiny piece of land in the East Mediterranean. This Iran destroy agenda by the US empire comes from this tiny stupid puppet master drugged on pieces of paper written in 500 BC. There are smart and stupid empires. The US empire wins the award as the stupidest of all. It is destroying itself for stupid writings from 500 BC when we are in the 21st century and not in 500 BC.
“…is turning to be unhealthy.”
— Au contraire. Considering the suppression of discussion on Jewish Question in the western world, this forum is both informative and useful for the citizenry.
Your personal grudges against Unz are perhaps generated by the sense of “eternal victimhood” and “chosiness.” To your surprise, this country still has the First Amendment — despite the strenuous efforts of Israel-firsters at squashing the free speech when this benefits the Jewish State and zionists.
What is indeed unhealthy is the intentional ignorance with regard to the history of Jewish influence in Germany, the UK/US, and with regard to the facts of Jewish participation in the Bolshevik revolution and in perpetrating the mind-boggling cruelties on a massive scale in Russia.
The facts leave a huge hole in the edifice of “eternal Jewish victimhood.”
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1. How legitimate are the economic sensations against Iran? You write about the sanctions as if international law supports them. Think again.
2. Tells us how many influential banksters were arrested for the well-documented and unambiguous fraud, wire fraud, and money laundering?
For example, currently the US (and, specifically, certain Mr. Henri Kravis) are involved into illegal weapon transfer to “moderate” terrorists in the Middle East: http://www.voltairenet.org/article204373.html
Here is one of the stories about the influential Mr. Kravis:
“Kravis’s $25 billion takeover of RJR Nabisco (R.J. Reynolds Tobacco) was the subject of the bestselling book and movie, Barbarians at the Gate. The echoes of that gangsterism are still heard: In December 2002, the European Union charged RJR Nabisco with money laundering in a suit filed in U.S. Federal Court. The E.U. complaint says the firm has “engaged in and facilitated organized crime by laundering the proceeds of narcotics trafficking and other crimes…. Defendants have laundered the illegal proceeds of members of Italian, Russian, and Colombian organized crime through financial institutions in New York City, including The Bank of New York, Citibank, N.A., and Chase Manhattan Bank.”
— You see, despite the “laundering the proceeds of narcotics trafficking and other crimes,” the US government cherishes Mr. Kravis cooperation in the arms trafficking operation. How come?
In short, “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?” Matthew 7:3
3. “Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China:” https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china
— Who among the Israelis has been arrested for this grave violation of American law? Why is Bibi not in the US prison?
Deep Mind’s AlphaZero changed everything, before that all computers were dependent on the abilities of their human programmers. AlphaZero played against itself taught itself and then thrashed Stockfish. Then Deep Mind then loosened Alpha Zero up a bit and found it could be unbeatable at Go; a step on the way to artificial general intelligence. We may be into the endgame for human chess players, and all other humans too.
“…there are good guys vs bad guys, good races and bad races, and you gotta fill in the blanks. But the categories in which they think don’t change.”
— What a neat description of the empire’s thinking. Was not it Bush the lesser that parroted Stalin, “those who are not with us are against us?”
You show your dislike of those people who dare to have a positive opinion about some of Russian and Cheese policies. — What kind of “must” thinking generates this your dislike?
A food for thought: Often the harshest critics of the US policies are the best citizens among American citizenry.
This brilliant, bold, fantastically clever article – a precise, calculated, ruthless military assault in words – is what the internet was created for.
God speed the wisdom of the inscrutable Chinese.
God save Ron Unz.
I’d strongly disagree with this analysis. I’d think America is far, far weaker than most people realize, economically, militarily, and socially, and in effective has a “glass jaw,” where any sharp military setback might lead to a total collapse. Given our crazy government and our possession of nuclear weapons, that situation makes me very nervous. I discussed some of these broader issues in a long article a few years ago:
http://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/
But an important recent development has been the persuasive claims that Russia’s new generation of cruise missiles given them potential conventional military superiority, and to some extent, render much of our horrendously expensive military force structure completely obsolete:
http://www.unz.com/article/the-implications-of-russias-new-weapons/
Suppose, for example, continued crazy behavior by the US government gets us into a conventional shooting war against Russia and/or China. Our carriers are widely regarded as very vulnerable to their conventional missiles, and I suspect that the loss of a carrier might very possibly ensure.
As everyone knows, we have gigantic budget and trade deficits, and it seems the only reason the dollar maintains its value is our military strength, especially our carrier-based control of oil trade. Now suppose a sharp military setback causes the collapse of the dollar. Except for cars, almost all our consumer goods are important, much of them from China, and as it stands, the bulk of the American population is already impoverished even at the top of the current economic cycle.
Suppose a dollar collapse causes prices and interest rates to spike, while large-scale unemployment results. Couple that with the puncturing of the endless domestic propaganda of American military invincibility, and I’d think a revolutionary situation would result, not particularly favorable for our worthless ruling elites:
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/wagner-debacle/#comment-2221533
As I’ve been saying for years, I think our country and its political/social system is among the more fragile in the world.
“Nato is in reality just the Rothschild army. All these various spy organizations, like 5 eyes, are merely jewish controlled goyim subversion organizations. The real issue here with Huawei would be jewish primacy and control of the worlds internet infrastructure.”
— Thank you for the excellent summary of the Meng’s saga.
Why is it that most of us are terrible at chess or Go? Our brains are just as big as those of the champions. The reason is not that we are handicapped; it is that the kind of intelligence required for chess and Go – rapid calculation of all permutations allowed under an artificial, rigid set of rules – is pretty useless for survival in the physical world and success in human society. Accordingly, evolution has selected for other traits. “AI” has a long way to go. That doesn’t mean that AI might not start replacing office workers some time soon; however, that is only because many office jobs consist mostly in fairly rigid rule application.
annamaria put Bombercommand’s thought where it belongs, in a U.R. “Ain’t gonna’ fly zone,” by stating: “How legitimate are the economic sensations against Iran? You write about the sanctions as if international law supports them. Think again.”
Especially since the post-9/11 False Flag attacks and pursuant GWOT, the Zionized US’s established LAW became, “you’re either for us, or for the terrorists,” and such narcissist (global) lawmaking capability, including economic sanctions, is presently being pooh-pawed by civilized world nations.
Thanks, annamaria! Uh, maybe Bombercommand will rethink & reroute his mission according to Charles Lindberg’s political flight trajectory?
P.S.: Am disappointed but not surprised to have learned about Australia’s conformance to ZUS’s outlaw global disorder-proclivities, and is now planning to move their embassy to Jerusalem.
Congratulations. Nine lines of shit.
Idiot.
Well people see their own actions as sticking up for themselves rather than bullying I agree. But that gives the basis for symmetrical schismogenesis, whereby there is escalation while both sides regard themselves as acting purely defensively.
It is true that China had gunpowder, compass, paper and printing press but did not exploit them, perhaps that was not despite but because China was a great power without rivals. But their superiority ended short of 2000 years Not only did China not conquer Siberia, it began to loose control of Outer Manchuria to Russia by the mid 17th century and officially ceded it to Russia by the mid 19th century. According to Jeremy Black
Russia has arrayed clunky old battlefield nukes along its eastern borders for just that reason, whether they would use them in a conventional war, especially a limited one no one can say (China attacked US forces in Korea even though China had no nukes at the time). But one thing is for sure, the Soviet Union spent vast sums on tanks, so it did not seem to believe Nato would use nukes and, Nato also felt compelled to have those hugely expensive conventional forces as well. Nuclear weapons are a deterrent to nuclear war for sure, and battlefield weapon would be the begining of a nuclear war. My feeling is countries would be likely to fight it out conventionally. The US tried a veiled threat of nuking any Chinese invasion of Taiwan in 2000, when it seemed to be contemplating independence, the Chinese simply threatened the US back (China threatens US with missile strike, Bill Gertz, Washington Times)
See, it is not a bunch of Taoist Mandarins advising a Emperor now,
China could act acording to such teachings once but now it follows the dictates of realism, offensive realism.
Elites are preoccupied with keeping domestic tranquility, the common people have a better understanding of the realities.
Supremacist Jews. And… guilt…?
How strange.
It is irrelevant as to whether the Chinese are our “friends” in any way. Wake up. There are few “friends” in international politics, economics or war.
What matters first and last is whether the Chinese might be able to help America enormously this way, with a major assault against their sworn enemy – an enemy which is also silently and ruthlessly undermining China’s own social (and eventually political) stability as much as it is able to do so, in exactly the same ways and for the same reason that it has done in the USA and everywhere else.
You guys would find my latest three blog posts interesting.
https://gmachine1729.com/2018/12/15/revisiting-quotes-of-chinasuperpower-after-some-time-in-china/
https://gmachine1729.com/2018/12/11/my-huawei-phone-arrived/
https://gmachine1729.com/2018/12/09/apparently-another-one-of-ren-zhengfeis-daughters-is-a-computer-science-undergraduate-at-harvard/
And related to Ron’s comment, which I’m replying to, is that the Chinese communists did much to destroy the myth of American military invincibility during the Korean War. America could not even defeat an ill-equipped third world Chinese army back in the 1950s, with instead the US army fleeing out of North Korea when attacked. Now, China is like infinitely stronger materially and technologically on relative terms.
Priceless.
Bravo.
Good question.
Personally, I’ve always believed that Satan looks after his Synagogue.
Let’s not overlook the possibility of a collapsed and worthless educational system, a set of “Christian” church denominations which are as evil as anything Israel has ever produced, and a generation of mental incompetents glued to tv sport and “entertainment”.
Well… Since you ask, a “half-quote” comes to mind, I think from one of the many fine writers at the Occidental Observer – unfortunately the name escapes me for the moment:
Something like… “No amount of money is ever enough to protect or reassure a Jew from his private blind terror of what will happen when his gross, ruthless, relentless and completely deliberate nation-wrecking treachery is finally discovered and publicly exposed”.
You have the best possible answer to your question.
It is no wonder that D B Cooper hates Indians… I see an Indian in the lineup; fourth from the left. What was that blackguard doing there?
I think the 16th Amendment should go into the trash bin in its entirety. You make a very good point about the withholding. That business started during the long ruinous Roosevelt era (I believe during the WWII years). If Americans had to write a check each April for what they are forced to ante up to the Feral Gov., they would pay a whole lot more attention. Now, some people treat it as a savings plan, giving whatever measly interest (these days) that would have accrued to the US Gov. They are SO HAPPY to get that check – thank you, Uncle Sugar, what would I do without you?!
AGREED!. Be careful with that talk though, around here, EAH, as you may be called nasty names like “libertarian”, oh my!
@Mike P.
True. But “we” have largely succeeded in removing the necessity of normal, eons-long, contact with the physical world – at least for the vast majority of the population. However, enduring this grossly anti-nature yet comfy way is like living on the knife’s edge, isn’t it: it can all collapse without much notice and then Carlsen, Vishy Anand et al out there may not be able to eke out an existence in any way. For sure Kasparov won’t. There won’t be much call for watching chess games, or commenting about them, when we are all trying to stay alive in a war and starvation zone.
Actually, I think that chess and go “geniuses” may be brain damaged. We weren’t designed to even want to move away from our natural origins. This little period of history is just some kind of goofy anomaly.
“We should actually be a bit grateful to Prince Mohammed since without him America would clearly have the most insane government anywhere in the world. As it stands, we’re merely tied for first.”
A very scary truth
“Since a natural reaction to international hostage-taking is retaliatory international hostage-taking, the newspapers have reported that top American executives have decided to forego visits to China until the crisis is resolved. These days, General Motors sells more cars in China than in the US, and China is also the manufacturing source of nearly all our iPhones, but Tim Cook, Mary Barra, and their higher-ranking subordinates are unlikely to visit that country in the immediate future, nor would the top executives of Google, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, and the leading Hollywood studios be willing to risk indefinite imprisonment.”
Too bad. This could solve all our problems.
What you are writing about here was a one-off, the famous attack by Doolittle’s Raiders. I think you should, first of all, give credit where credit is due. Secondly, you should understand that this was more of a morale-boosting move than a consistent strategy during that early stage of the war in the Pacific.
Those B-25s were not meant to take off of a 500 ft long deck of an aircraft carrier. The pilots trained for a few months under the leadership of Jimmy Doolittle. Unfortunately, when they were hundreds of miles still from the launch point, a Japanese patrol plane was spotted. The carrier group did not know whether they had been spotted or not, but rather than take a chance that they had, they launched on a longer mission than planned. The bombing caused deaths and destruction, but was just a token in the grand scheme of things. It did, however, bring the war right into Japan only 4 months after the Pearl Harbor attack and boost Americans’ morale.
These B-25s were running out of gas coming into China, as, again, the’d flown longer than initially planned. Some of the crews were captured, but of course the Chinese helped all of the men that they could – watch 30 Seconds over Tokyo for Hollywood’s take.
There may be only one of those guys left, as they used to have reunions yearly but have stopped.
Hey, maybe this was way more than you wanted to hear, Mr. Baker. ;-}
One thing is for sure. The average Chinaman has no idea how much help the Americans gave the Chinese in preventing a future of speaking Japanese right now.
Trudeau’d be dead by noon.
Elementary watson
murikka the outlaw and the sheriff ?
you mean A rogue sheriff, ?
thats about right.’
hehehe
You’r such a perpetual liar, would go very far in the Washington cesspool
pray tell…
When was the last time India /Japan
‘threatened’ by China. ?
There’s hope.
https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/20/news/companies/david-rockefeller/index.html
As to the 2nd half of your comment that should probably have been another paragraph, I agree completely. America is blessed with great land and resources. Having a low population density
iswas another blessing. One can make a direct comparison to China on that.A xtian fundi eh ?
In gawd we kill…..
This land is mine,
gawd gave this land to me,
gawd gave this golden land to me….
*The Filipinos, most of whom had already converted to Christianity in the decades before the Americans arrived, didn’t feel they needed “God’s grace” as defined by White Americans. In February 1899, under the leadership of Emilio Aguinaldo (who had been brought back to the Philippines from China by U.S. warships, in order to fight against the Spaniards), the Filipinos launched a war for freedom and democracy against the forces of the United States.
Though the war against the Filipinos is largely forgotten or ignored in this country, it was a bloody and brutal conflict that saw American soldiers and disease kill hundreds of thousands of Filipinos. While Black men, women and children were being tortured and killed in this country, White American soldiers slaughtered the brown-skinned inhabitants of the Philippines so that American businesses could expand into the Pacific.
“We will not renounce our part in the mission of our race, trustee, under God, of the civilization of the world,” said Sen. Albert Beveridge in the U.S. Senate, speaking for the economic and political interests of this country. “Where shall we turn for consumers of our surplus? Georgraphy answers the question. China is our natural customer….The Philippines give us a base at the door of all the East.”
https://www.countercurrents.org/us-cox240107.htm
AGREED on the spying aspect of the Artificial Stupidity*
* H/T to John Derbyshire for this term.
“With $32 billion in gross gaming revenues last year or 62% of the world’s total and benefiting from its proximity to China, Macau is easily the world’s biggest gambling center…(Adelson’s) Sands China is the biggest operator in Macau with $2.15 billion in revenue in the third quarter, or 27.3% of the total.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-08/macau-s-american-casino-kings-sweat-on-u-s-china-trade-war
Israel might be running the show in ME, Yinon plan and all that jazz.
But the assault on Eurasia, goes right back to the day when the Brits attacked Tibet,[1], has always been a wasp obcession, its already QED in my answer to sarz, how could you miss it ?
[1]
“When efforts to begin negotiations failed,” the encyclopedia reports, “the British, under the command of Maj. Gen. James Macdonald, invaded the country and slaughtered some 600 Tibetans at Guru. Younghusband moved on to Chiang-tzu (Gyantze), where his second attempt to begin trade negotiations also failed. He then marched into Lhasa, the capital, with British troops and forced the conclusion of a trade treaty with the Dalai Lama, Tibet’s ruler. This action brought him a knighthood in 1904.”
British journalist Alan Winnington writes in his book “Tibet” that the treaty “made Tibet as far as possible a British sphere of influence.”
Even then, Britain recognized Chinese “sovereignty” in Tibet—and sent a bill for 750,000 pounds to the central Chinese government for the expenses incurred in the invasion.
cheeky [email protected]#$%! eh ?
https://www.workers.org/ww/tibet1204.html
“payback for the opium wars that a family of Jew criminals and thugs waged in order to get rich and destroy China”.
Fixed that for you. You’re welcome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassoon_family
sonny,
LTTE is listed as terrorists by your own bloody state dept, China was helping you in your wot !
As for your Indian buddies…
‘Sri Lankans, both Sinhalese and Tamils, have for long spoken of Indian imperialism, alternatively supporting both the Tamil Tigers and the Sri Lankan military, including the brutal Indian Peace Keeping Force sent to the tiny island nation in the 1980s’
http://northeastindiadiary.blogspot.com/
I’d agree that we’re relatively weaker with respect to the rest of the world than ten years ago, but we still probably have the upper hand.
Me as well. But nuclear weapons were developed eight decades ago. We’ve spent a lot of money on defense research since then. What else do we (and Russia to a lesser extent) have that is out of the public eye? Even the most observant of us can only guess. It would be pure speculation, but I’ve wondered whether some of the “accidents” involving planes, rockets, ammo dumps and bridges over the past several months were the two sides feeling each other out. Putin has hinted concerns about development of ethno-specific bioweapons. This is a very valid concern considering the advances in gene-modification technology. Any news about Israel can be a manufactured illusion, but it was reported to have an Arab-specific virus in the 1990s.
I don’t think they’ve been widely deployed yet, but they probably are considered a threat by the US military. It is concerning that this factor could spur us to make a move before they are all in place.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a military superiority (such as ICBM defense) component that contributed to the USSR’s collapse as much as the economic factors. Russia kept uncharacteristically silent during the aftermath of 9/11, the eastward expansion of NATO and the Middle Eastern wars until just a few years ago.
I’ve read differing views on this, but it seems like they are being kept out of harm’s way for the time being, safely off the shores of North America or in the far western Med away from the Russian base in Syria. The Stennis is reported to be headed for the Persian Gulf. Hopefully the sailors will be safe.
We’re clearly openly interfering in Saudi internal politics more than we used to. A Russia Today article this morning pointed out that Russia, the US and Saudi Arabia are the three largest oil producers, and one of them was going to be the odd country out if the other two joined hands. It said the real problem the CIA has with MBS is that he is too independent, ordering Russian S-400 systems instead of Patriot anti-missile systems. It has been said that when a country buys US equipment, it is really buying an alliance with the US military. A lot to be read between the lines in that statement.
As far as controlling the sea lanes is concerned, we have the submarines even if a few carriers are taken out.
We’ve been headed for an Argentina-style disappearance of the middle class for a long time. Governments become unstable when the economic center of mass separates too much from the political center. The predictable result is an oligarchy of the elites, Madison Avenue style in our case (so far) rather than open military rule. I’m not optimistic about the chances of the marginalized masses to overcome this. The surveillance state is so omnipotent in its ability to closely track any potential dissident and to propagandize and distract the masses that a conventional revolution would be very, very difficult. How many people with doubts about 9/11 have stuck their necks out? We have a go along to get along culture. The proportion of spineless Americans is probably much higher than Germans during the 1930s.
Even a revolution at the ballot box would be a tall order with the clever diversion and dispersion of any nascent dissent by the media and its hand-picked “thought leaders.”
I know you are buying that Russian and even Chinese military capability from authors and commentators of Team Russia here.
I won’t even try to debate that again and again, just say: they are wrong.
They were wrong with Soviet Union and they are wrong now.
I know that amateurs and civilians get hung on new weapons and their capabilities. I’d suggest trying to take into account the fundamentals.
That’s for those “missiles” and “carriers”.
As for conventional war with Russia it didn’t happen with Soviet Union so it will not happen with Russia.
That’s the fantasy born of trauma of all those invasions the “Team Russia” has, the Nazi in particular. It’s fine. It’s weird when Westerners buy it too.
The regime in Kremlin will be brought down (or not) with the exactly same strategy (with some tweaking in tactics) as it was done 1991.Not with huge conventional conflict.
Having said all that the possibility of M.A.D does exist, but it’s not about military capabilities and strategies.
It’s about ruling elites in West being detached from reality. That’s excellent foundation for making mistakes.
While l can’t visualize executing a land invasion of Russia in foreseeable future I can, with ease, visualize a mistake escalating in exchange of M.I.R.Vs.
I am afraid that the solution to the problem, even if possible, doesn’t lie in military capabilities of any player.
It lays in action, or not, of an average American. Actually, in action of, say, 200 000 Americans, at the same time and place.
Related to that “I’d think a revolutionary situation would result”. Hope you are right.
Can’t say I hold my breath there, though.
Even in alt-right sphere you don’t have anything smart going on. Not even a basic vision, let alone idea.
I think you, we, overestimate a common American.
I can see, with ease, all that fustration used by TPTBs to further their own goals, and not chaneled into a “revolutionary” outcome.
So, I do agree with:
Especially with the bold.
Parts of Modern Germany were under Roman control, the areas west of the Rhine known as Germania Inferior were a Roman Province.
Agree.
I’ll skip the part about US-Russia military/war.
Agree.
More importantly, especially with:
Nonsense, the Chinese Communists, who fought bravely and managed to push the UN forces back, were unable to progress past the 38th parallel. After the US chased the Korean Reds out of the South, Truman, against the advice of the best of the American Military brain-trust, refused to hit the Chinese Reds with the Americans’ most powerful weapons. or to attack the Chinese in their soft underbelly. The Chicoms lost 400,000 men in the fighting, South Korea remained free of communist totalitarianism and the Americans still have a presence on the peninsula, right next door to Red China. To this day the US has an overwhelming advantage in nuclear weapons, a battle tested military and the highest level of military technology in the world. It is highly doubtful the Chicoms could defeat the US in a war. That’s not to say they can’t keep up the slow bleed of US technology and manufacturing and sit back and let the US tear itself apart with affirmative action and effeminacy.
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@Sean
China gave missile parts to Pakistan. That is a fact.
Actually, the Chinese have signed a recent contract with the PAK military to drastically modernize Pakistan’s anti-ship and SAM capabilities for defense against India and the US.
https://www.ft.com/content/8dbce0a0-3713-11e8-8b98-2f31af407cc8
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/china-sells-pakistan-sensitive-missile-technology/articleshow/63415007.cms
https://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/News-Analysis/2018-10-18/Pakistan-may-buy-Chinese-missile-better-than-Brahmos/427063
Given that Huwei stole all of their tech from Lucent, Nortel, and others she is culpable for a lot more than just Iran.
Wrong, I am far from a Christian fundamentalist.
Well, perhaps I should have said “over most of the last 2000 years, ….” The point is that China had the strength to conquer Siberia for a very long time, far longer than the U.S. has existed, but did not do so.
I have little doubt that if the U.S. had been in China’s position from say 700 AD to 1700 AD, the Americans would have grabbed Siberia without a second thought. But China built the Great Wall instead.
So I strongly disagree that China will be as much of a global bully as the U.S. is now.
If by “Outer Mongolia” you mean the lands north of Inner Mongolia, it was not ceded to Russia. The area is an independent country today, called Mongolia.
China doesn’t care. Mongolia is mostly desert and steppe. Its population of 3 million is less than that of Lanzhou, a single medium-sized city in China.
Was she forced to make love to the head dyke in jail?
annamaria, you haven’t read and understood a word of my comments, you’re not alone, NZLex and ChuckyO have the same problem. All three of you get excessively triggered by mistakes in reading comprehension, then go apeshit. I have stated in another comment I oppose sanctions on Iran. I am writing about the real world reality that Ms Meng’s arrest has serious consequences, and she could have avoided same by not being careless, that’s all. NZLex even whipped himself into a lather over my stating the obvious fact that Ms Meng uses a digital skin whitening app. You all behave like mentally ill landcrabs with keyboards.
Chucky, message for you in reply to annamaria’s comment
Christianity grants “God’s Grace” to anyone, regardless of their pedigree, if that individual accepts Christ as their savior. Sanctimonious Christians, such as the Clintons, ‘believe’ in Christ to the extent that they’ll convince voters of their adherence to religious principles…while they contort their digits into a King’s X behind their backs. A true Christian needs Christ, because they’ve exhausted every avenue of redemption for their sins. A derelict alcoholic vomiting blood in a cold, dark alley realizes his only hope is to surrender his shattered life to the Son of God. A teenage runaway hiding in mortal fear from a cadre of pimps, junkies, police, rapists and johns knows she has a friend within a church, who’ll shelter her from harm. Many people have sought redemption in that manner. Nobody is required to believe in miracles, but when you need one, you’ll be less inclined to express doubts about that resource.
I am writing about the real world reality that Ms Meng’s arrest has serious consequences, and she could have avoided same by not being careless, that’s all. NZLex even whipped himself into a lather over
Bombercommand dropped a little dud on me & others, and pontificated: “I am writing about the real world reality that Ms Meng’s arrest has serious consequences, and she could have avoided same by not being careless…”
Above, argh… Oh yeah! The real Western Zio-world.
Forgot how international “frequent flyers” can get arrested & go to the pokey for failing to heed ZUSA laws.
(zzzZigh)
Pretty much.
Except for
The last time Western forces in general and US in particular were “battle tested” was Falklands war.
The “Team Russia” IS correct, IMHO, in that regard. US/Western forces capability in conventional war re Russian forces, that is.
COIN took care for it.
The last time a Western soldier had to be careful about enemy artillery, armor and air power was, again, Falklands war.
Russia had it with Georgia. Not very hard, but, it wasn’t easy either.
Even more importantly, in Ukraine.
But, again, I really don’t think that’s important in this discussion. Hasn’t been since Cuban crisis.
Besides, your Chicoms haven’t had that “battle tested” since that interesting incursion in Vietnam.
You could’ve mentioned that too re their capability.
The last time you responded to one of my comments it was over one of Pat Lang’s posts. Pat appears to have retreated from Unz Review. Did you see this post of his?
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/trolls.html
As always Pat hides from the truther community.
I have neither expressed nor implied that assumption. The United States has highly limited power to enforce its will on this planet, but thanks to its cooperative relationship with The Dominion of Canada, Vancouver Airport is one of those places. Ms Meng was stupid and careless, she is suffering the consequences. I am merely stating facts. Watching video of Ms Meng leaving the courthouse shattered, head on her lawyers chest like a girlfriend touched my heart, I don’t like to see girls suffer. But she has lived an easy privileged life, and now is learning there are two sides to power.
Thanks for the info. I know a little bit about that raid because my father and mother were members of Pancho Barnes’ “Happy Bottom Riding Club”, where Doolittle, Yeager and other pilots socialized during the halcyon days of Edwards AFB. I also knew one of the mechanics who worked on those B-25s during their stop at McClellan Field. (They were supposed to leave those birds alone, because their engines were specially configured for maximum range, with lean fuel mixture settings, and other refinements. Unfortunately, word did not filter down to the line mechanics, who readjusted those engines to purr like a kitten. From that point on, each time Doolittle flew into McClellan AFB subsequent to that raid, he rated the transient alert service as “LOUSY!”)
I would like to add that China & US are part of the NEOLIBERAL GLOBILIZATION (G7 Nations) that serves a tiny group of global elites. China is not really the threat. The real threat is RUSSIA with a much more sovereign government and with weapons just as good as the US if not better.
I tend to disagree. The exceptionally strong popular dissatisfaction with our ruling elites is suggested by Trump’s election, given that he was opposed by all those elites and virtually 100% of the media. That he’s merely an ignorant buffoon who was quickly controlled or co-opted is immaterial.
Given our dreadful fiscal and trade situation, our nation’s primary assets are its (supposedly) invincible military and its very powerful world propaganda machinery.
Personally, I’m quite skeptical of the reality of the former. And the loss of a ultra-expensive carrier in a conventional military conflict would immediately puncture that supposedly invincibility, and probably destroy the effectiveness of our media propaganda at the same time.
Now consider that we’re now at the peak of our economic cycle, with a downturn long overdue, yet almost 60% of Americans have less than $1,000 in available savings, with the bulk of those having less than $500.
Once military and propaganda power fails, I’d think that the dollar would probably sink to its true value, something far, far below its current rate. Except for cars, nearly all our consumer goods are imported, and what if they suddenly became 40-50% more expensive? A huge fraction of the American public is currently broke, and once prices spiked (along with interest rates), they’d suddenly realize just how totally broke they were.
Meanwhile, about the only national institution that retains any popular credibility is our military, and suddenly people would realize it also was just an incredibly expensive fraud.
I’d think that America’s entire economic/social system would quickly collapse, and take down its political system along with it.
The real danger for everyone is that our crazy elites might go nuclear. After all, their lives wouldn’t be worth a dime once the general population realizes just how thoroughly they’d destroyed our once successful country over the last generation or so. So threatening or using nukes might be their only real option.
Those thoughts are way over my pay grade. I am into practical things – like trying to live a philosophical Christian life – and hoping for peace.
Art
America does not fight wars against people who fight back. If we did, we’d lose that war, both on the battlefield and on the home front. Current conflicts rage on because the media (Jews) control the narrative, and they won’t dwell on those planeloads of caskets being flown to the U.S. for final disposition, nor will they focus upon the grotesque injuries endured by our soldiers when their vehicles strike IEDs, or their bases are hit by mortars and missiles. As long as Israel calls the shots for our military ventures, wars can drag on forever in the Middle East. But, when Communism is being opposed by our troops, the media suddenly shifts gears to resurrect the 1960s zeitgeist of hippies and peacenicks, all vying to impose their idealistic fervor to forge a world without conflict.
What’s a Canada? Sounds irrelevant.
Right, I figured it was common knowledge that Chicom forces haven’t been in battle, except against unarmed students and Tibetan monks, for a long time.
I do have to disagree with your assessment of American, and NATO, troops not being battle tested. Although it’s true that the armies of the Iraqis and Talibanis weren’t first world by any stretch, they were still organized military outfits with trained personnel. Any infantryman who pursued, and fought them, gained powerful experience that will aid them in any future engagement. Not that a war against Red China will resemble the police actions in the Afghan and Iraq, men who’ve already been under fire are a valuable tool in any conflict. A real US-Red China war would probably have to involve nukes pretty quickly, and with the vast US superiority, would end pretty quickly, too.
Adelson seems not to have provided the quid for the quo. A suspension of the ability of his casinos to function, as Unz suggests, might wake him up to the matter.
Bravo.
People care about relative wealth, status, and power. Not objective wealth or standards of living. Telling the poor today that they live better than the kings of yore because they have smartphones and indoor plumbing does not placate them, as they still have relatively less than others. Even if China’s rise had nothing to do with America’s objective conditions, it has everything to do with relative conditions. Status and power are zero sum games.
Maine
Arizona
Oklahoma
West Virginia
California
If the U.S. dropped the charges, Canada would release Ms. Meng.
The real danger for everyone is that our crazy elites might go nuclear.
Oh boy — Russian nukes in Cuba again – Kennedy had Bobby — Trump has Javanka – scary – very scary!
Think Peace — Do No harm — Art
I try not to respond to nonsensical drivel, but this is too much. Why are you being so modest? Why don’t you come out openly and say that now since Croatia joined NATO, it makes any war against US unwinnable.
Talking about nuclear weapons, it’s only fitting that they were invented by a country which can’t fight a conventional war on land, to save their lives – literally. That’s why they’ll never give up nuclear weapons – it’s what allows them to impersonate a superpower.
OK, they are good at sea too, but so are the Somali pirates. Do you know that the biggest ever detonated nuclear bomb was called “Tsar” bomb? And it was made in USSR. I know it’s totally militarily irrelevant. Still, I think in order to pay tribute to Croatia for joining NATO, US should develop even bigger nuclear bomb, and maybe call it – “Poglavnik” bomb?
“..attention-grabbing mass murder, of CIA money launderer and gunrunner Stephen Paddock.”
Interesting:
1. https://newspunch.com/las-vegas-paddock-child-trafficking/
“Paddock didn’t make his millions playing video poker. He made millions in the darkest trade known to man. Paddock was an ex-CIA pilot running a human sex trafficking ring out of the Philippines, delivering children to the United States under cover of his company – the company that mainstream media is desperate for you not to know about….”
2. http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2400.htm
“… based on documented evidence developed with the aid of both Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations (MOSSAD), the identity of the person named responsible for the “Pyramid Sacrifice” ritualistic massacre in Las Vegas, named Stephen Paddock, has established his being an arms smuggling pilot employed by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)…”
3. https://newspunch.com/mkultra-stephen-paddock-cia-brain/
“In the space of two months after the October 1 attack, eight eyewitness survivors, many of whom publicly disagreed with the official narrative, plus one high profile attorney, wound up dead.”
The U.S. is getting less powerful by the minute, as the military embroils our troops in gay-acceptance forums, female-interaction indoctrination, extended combat tours and separation of military families eroding morale, while the junk we’re buying for premium prices can’t be operated in actual combat. Hence, our ‘leaders’ (You know, those clowns who journey to Israel and bang their heads on the Wailing Wall?) ensure the folks back home aren’t apprised of the fact that those TRILLIONS of DOLLARS we’re paying for these banana wars are being spent in vain. It is now time to pull in the reins of our bellicose political elements, and forge American Sovereignty. If Israel wants to attack another Middle East country, then let them face the consequences. Our nation needs to disengage from that region, and take care of our own people, economy and infrastructure.
Agree. The Meng affair is a case of gangsterism practiced widely both by the “exceptional” and the “chosen.”
They wouldn’t have to shut down all the casinos. Just Adelson’s.
Correct. I always say what the Chinese do best is make more Chinese, and radicalize their young into fanatics. We in the U.S. should learn from those people, at least the value of “Nationalist” sentiments being encouraged among citizens. As far as Communism is concerned, it’s a blueprint for tyrants to sucker populations into abrogating their rights for ‘security’.
“…that does not mean taking China down could not be the cure for America and the West.”
— Could you elaborate? For example, re the effect of “taking China down” on the US consumers at large. Also, what is our expertise in China’s military preparedness?
“… a Pox Americana … The saddest thing of all is the US empire is led around on a leash by a tiny … stupid puppet master drugged on pieces of paper written in 500 BC. There are smart and stupid empires. The US empire wins the award as the stupidest of all.”
— The US has been squandering an amazing potential, tragically.
You made a nice compilation of the US persecution of some violators of the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. However, the US government and DOJ are well known for their moral relativism.
For example, http://www.voltairenet.org/article204373.html
“Operation “Timber Sycamore”, initiated by President Barack Obama was privatized a little before the election of President Donald Trump. It is now coordinated by the investment fund KKR (established by Henry Kravis and whose military activities are led by the former head of the CIA, General David Petraeus). “Timber Sycamore” is the most important arms trafficking operation in History. It involves at least 17 governments. The transfer of weapons, meant for jihadist organizations, is carried out by Silk Way Airlines, a Azerbaïdjan public company of cargo planes.”
— The infamous Henry Kravis should have been rotting in prison for his massive corruption and violation of the law. Instead, Kravis is courted by the US government that is violating the international law.
https://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3003likud_usgangsta.html
Unfortunately, is has become ridiculous to quote the US “righteous persecution” in some convenient cases whereas the truly important cases of corruption and murderous criminality are left untouched.
All about Iran, or all about Huawei not allowing a back door for NSA?
James Miles, the Economist journalist who happened to witness the whole 2008 riot when it started, described it as violence from Tibetans against the Han and Hui Chinese.
Here is an excerpt:
“Q. What you say you saw corroborates the official [Chinese] version. What exactly did you see?
A. What I saw was calculated targeted violence against an ethnic group, or I should say two ethnic groups, primarily ethnic Han Chinese living in Lhasa, but also members of the Muslim Hui minority in Lhasa. And the Huis in Lhasa control much of the meat industry in the city. Those two groups were singled out by ethnic Tibetans. They marked those businesses that they knew to be Tibetan owned with white traditional scarves. Those businesses were left intact. Almost every single other across a wide swathe of the city, not only in the old Tibetan quarter, but also beyond it in areas dominated by the ethnic Han Chinese. Almost every other business was either burned, looted, destroyed, smashed into, the property therein hauled out into the streets, piled up, burned. It was an extraordinary outpouring of ethnic violence of a most unpleasant nature to watch, which surprised some Tibetans watching it. So they themselves were taken aback at the extent of what they saw. And it was not just targeted against property either. Of course many ethnic Han Chinese and Huis fled as soon as this broke out. But those who were caught in the early stages of it were themselves targeted. Stones thrown at them. At one point, I saw them throwing stones at a boy of maybe around 10 years old perhaps cycling along the street. I in fact walked out in front of them and said stop. It was a remarkable explosion of simmering ethnic grievances in the city.”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/20/tibet.miles.interview/
Well, I’d be the first to admit that I have absolutely no expertise in military technology issues. But some of those writers you condemn and numerous others have made arguments that seem rather persuasive to me. Maybe they’re correct and maybe not.
However, I do have some confidence in my own analyses of large socio-economic-political trajectories. For example, as far back as the late 1970s, I felt pretty confident that the USSR would eventually collapse for pretty much the reasons it eventually did, and regularly discussed the prospect with my friends. My greatest surprise was that it happened without major bloodshed, and lacking a precipitating external military shock such as the 1904-5 Revolution.
Meanwhile, even a bit earlier than that I’d told all my somewhat skeptical friends that China was on a likely trajectory to become the world’s dominant economic and probably political power, and everything has unfolded almost exactly as I would have predicted. With regard to this, I can even provide a small bit of hard evidence. In 1986, I published a letter in The Economist, one of the longest they’d ever run, summarizing this situation and therefore urging them to expand their publication to include an Asia Section, a step they actually took the following year:
http://www.unz.com/runz/far-east-2/
Much of my reasoning of the mid/late-1970s is summarized in my article from a few years ago:
http://www.unz.com/runz/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china-248/
Anyway, my point is that for the last 15-odd years I’ve seen America unfortunately follow a somewhat similar trajectory to the old, unlamented USSR, and see no particular reason it won’t end up suffering similar consequences. My long series of very critical articles about our own unfortunate USSA has been entitled “American Pravda,” perhaps providing a clue that I’m not quite the foolishly deluded Soviet apologist you seem to suggest. If you haven’t read them, you might want to consider doing so, starting with the first:
http://www.unz.com/runz/our-american-pravda/
Meanwhile, I’m not really sure how much weight I should assign to any criticism you have of the military claims of so-called “Team Russia.” Although your comments over the last couple of years have been extremely prolific (totaling nearly 500,000 words), offhand I can’t think of a single one that ever stuck in my mind or impressed me. They mostly seem like boilerplate, low-quality anti-Russian agitation. Apparently some of the other commenters think you’re Croatian, and hostile to Russia for that reason. Maybe. Or maybe you’re just some random Neocon-type, who hangs around my website like one of the other trolls, possibly even being paid to do so.
Good article Ron Unz. However, I believe the US would not do what it did if they believed that China would go the route you are suggesting: “The chain of political puppets responsible for Ms. Meng’s sudden detention is certainly a complex and murky one. But the Chinese government already possesses the absolute power of financial life-or-death over Sheldon Adelson, the man located at the very top of that chain”… “China actually holds a Royal Flush in this international political poker game”
My Humble opinion is that China knows it holds a Royal Flush, but is not going to use it.
China, a Totalitarian kleptocracy ruled by a tiny faction of a super rich cabal, is willing participant of the NEOLIBERAL GLOBALIZATION of the NEW WORLD ORDER (NWO).
As Takis Fotopoulos states in his book (Fotopoulos, Takis. The New World Order in Action Vol. 1), in the NWO, it is no longer nation-states that rule the world, fighting among themselves for the division of world markets, but rather the transnational corporations. It is these huge oligopolies that are always the victors, irrespective of where they base their activities. Therefore, the fact that today China or India look like economic superpowers (or rising superpowers) is not, in fact, an economic miracle but rather an economic mirage. If any of these countries stopped offering the ‘comparative advantages’ they presently do, particularly in terms of cheap production cost they offer to the TNCs, then the economic miracle would end overnight — i.e. as soon as the TNCs move to one of the other countries begging them to invest in their own area.
China is not going to do anything major that will disturb the current balance of power or anything that will be bad for business. They need to keep feeding their people and need the TNCs to stay in CHINA.
Why side with China instead of the U.S.? Simple. Unless and until the U.S. is defeated, the present plutiocratic setup in the U.S. will not end.
It won’t just be Canada. How will the Chinese executives know where they can travel to? Ms. Meng’s ultimate destination was apparently Mexico. Is Mexico safe?
You Zhongguoren dong Ingwen.
Which, unless I have made a mistake in my Mandarin, means: there are Chinese who understand English.
I agree that the US is driving for World hegemony and is an Oligarchy not a democracy. But Remember China is also a Totalitarian Communist state, ruled also by a tiny elite and part of the Neoliberal Global Order.
You have the Korean conflict framed incorrectly- the US broke two treaties it signed after WWII regarding civilian governance of the peninsula which directly led to armed conflict- as well as the nature of the American way of war which is characterized by over reliance upon expensive airpower and infinitesimal amounts of actual ground fighting. As long as the Taliban never fly aircraft nor field a number of MLRS to shower the ‘little America’ base complexes in revenge, the US will stay in Kabul and Bagram, Afghanistan until the USD finally collapses from QE overprinting and unsustainable debt.
Interesting, Annamaria[459]. I heard nothing about child trafficking in this case. (are those links derived from Sorcha Faal? Their frequent document-free citation of intelligence sources makes me dubious.) There is a frequent pattern of CIA cleanups of local criminal syndicates – Dave McGowan was the master of sniffing them out – but normally those rubouts are conducted to get lost in the background noise, like this:
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/sleazefest-in-seattle/
The strange thing about Paddock’s untimely end was the extraordinarily high profile of it – complete with attention-grabbing mass murder. The idea of a whale enduring the clanging, buzzing tedium of slots is now a joke, and everybody with half a brain has figured out that the law of large numbers makes the slot hold percentage a disguised money-laundering commission, typically 7.5%-8.5%.
The Venetian Macau’s slot hold percentage is lower, less than 5%, and their rolling chip win percentage is much lower, less than 3%. That makes Adelson more vulnerable but also more important to CIA. Money laundered through VIP drop comes from aggregated VIP loans to junkets. So junkets are another testicle that China can squeeze.
Whether or not Chanos read Unz’s piece, his shorting Adelson’s stock will already reduce Adelson’s wealth. Giving Adelson a reason to pressure for Ms. Meng’s realease.
Dear Mr. Unz,
Military technology has been high-tech-hijacked to focus aircraft and ship design concepts toward Stealth refinements. Since you’re not versed on these topics, I could relate an observation by a military aircraft designer about this issue: Stealth is a SCAM. The planes we’re paying billions of dollars for in order to defeat enemy RADAR Defensive Systems are easily detected by RADAR. These planes are further hampered by the materials employed to absorb RADAR signals, which cannot withstand moisture, and need copious amounts of maintenance between sorties for repairs and mission configuration. The gadgets shoehorned into modern fighter and bomber cockpits and air frames malfunction, or don’t work at all, requiring crews to simply shut them down, and accomplish their missions on the fly, so to speak. The F-22 and B-2 aircraft should each be designated as an endangered species, since there are very few Albino Pachyderms left in the wild. It is fortunate that you’re ignorant about these weapons, since your vastly more intelligent approach to addressing controversial subjects would result in your placement on some government or other agency’s ‘List’….
China may be ruled by a tiny elite, but that elite seems much more concerned about providing for the average Chinaman’s wellbeing than our elite is concerned about the wellbeing of the average American.
Well…..
Not any. Against much weaker oponent. Much weaker.
That infantryman didn’t experience enemy air strikes, artillery/MLRS strikes and armor.
Big difference.
Russian soldiers did. The engagement in Georgia gave all elements of Russian armed forces taste of the conflict against EQUAL opponent. The same in Ukraine.
Ask any (honest) vet from COIN, what does he/even she, thinks about experiencing a threat from Taliban sniper versus being within the “splash” of MLRS.
Any (honest) soldier will tell you that he/even she will 10 times of 10 prefer being pinned down by a sniper than be under (even medium) mortar fire. Introduce the MLRS with cluster ammunition and you are in different game altogether.
Anyway….
As for:
Personally, I don’t think about the possibility of conventional, let alone nuclear, war with China.
And I do think about plenty of options for armed conflict(s) in plenty of places on this planet.
The vicious North Korean communists,at the behest of their master, Joseph Stalin, invaded South Korea because US troops had withdrawn and Stalin believed the South would be easy pickings. The Reds didn’t think the Americans, or their allies, would be willing to fight to secure the South. I’m unaware of any “treaties” violated by the US. The communists invaded the South and the UN, with the US at its lead, pushed the communists out. If not for Truman’s timidity, the US could have attacked the Red Chinese and perhaps prevented the death and torture of many millions trapped under the oppressive boot of Mao’s Red Army.
I believe there are more powerful forces way more powerful than corrupt Adelson at work here. Their ultimate goal is for Iran to be integrated into the NWO of Neoliberal Globalization, and they will use any means to reach this goal.
Well, I was going to reply, but after seeing:
and especially
I’ll pass, from now on.
You aren’t the first and won’t be the last.
It would be interesting to see will you retain some semblance of fair play and not…..ahm…”moderate” my posts from now on. Not that will surprise me, mind you. It would surprise me if you don’t do that (well, you and/or your “team” here).
So, I’ll (try) to “chat” here with some other people. Focus, time and effort.
All we need is a quiet corner in your “pub”. So far it’s been around.
In other “pubs” we can’t have even that.
Let’s see.
As with most of the author’s articles, a very shallow analysis of the topic is given, made to look as if it’s somehow in-depth (which the many gullible readers here have been fooled into believing).
Here is a much better legal analysis: https://www.lawfareblog.com/detention-huaweis-cfo-legally-justified-why-doesnt-us-say-so
I quote:
“As far as I know, most Chinese people are distinguished by their intelligence, thoroughness and diligence. What do the thousands of people employed by China’s foreign ministry and its intelligence services do all day, if they are unaware of such important facts?”
Of cource they know. Keep in mind that these intelligent and diligent people are working for a Totalitarian Repressive cabal of elites, kind of similar to the one we have in the US. Also remember China is part of the NEOLIBERAL GLOBALIZATION of the NWO that is driven by thousands of transnational corporations (TNCs), out of which 1,318 core companies, through interlocking ownerships, own 80% of global revenues and, of these, 147 companies (i.e. less than 1 per cent of the network) form a ‘super entity’, controlling 40 per cent of the wealth of the entire network!
As I said, there are a lot more powerful players at work here……
The Chinese Communist Party has something like 90 million members. The Party has more members in it than California has men, women, and children. If you call that “tiny,” you must be Chinese.
Agree.
Exactly! And that’s actually a much smarter long-term strategy since it decreases the likelihood that you and all your friends and relatives will be overthrown and guillotined by an outraged population.
My crude mental model is that China’s ruling political elites steal 10% of everything for themselves and their circle and maybe another 10% is stolen by “unauthorized corruption.” But the Chinese population keeps the remaining 80%. Meanwhile, in America our totally worthless and corrupt elites take half of everything for themselves and have been turning a covetous eye towards the other half.
The average urban Chinese worker has seen his real income double every decade for the last 40 years. If the real income of American workers had been doubling every decade, I think they’d be complaining less about the 1%. Instead, by many measures the income of typical American workers has been stagnant or declining for almost 50(!) years.
Here’s my striking graph of the change in the relative per capita GDP between China and the US, and the trends since then have largely continued. Which country would you bet on?
And here’s my article from a few years ago in which I discuss the comparison in greater detail:
http://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/
Are you sure that executives in those financial institutions never did something similar to what Ms. Meng did or even worse? Also, where did you find the info about Ms. Meng’s case? Please do not tell me it’s from some “internal memo” that has about as much credibility as the Iraqi WMD.
I’d submit that the US’ real assets are its preeminence in, if not outright control of, all of the world’s international political, financial, monetary, trade, scientific, technical, legal, etc, etc institutions. That is what the “established World Order” is really all about.
That preeminence underpins the inertia that continues to carry the US Empire into the 21st century. While all are wary of the “monkey with a hand-grenade” USM, the reality is that the nation itself could be reduced to a Haiti writ large in a matter of weeks with barely a shot being fired, and with no-one able to point the finger at who did it. The Great Wurlitzer would go down with it.
It hasn’t happened because everyone is almost equally wary of what happens after that. Hundreds of institutions that are critical to the functioning of the modern world would go suddenly adrift, and all bets are off on who/what replaces the US’ role.
I do love you so I will hope you will not be angry with me.
You have a complete weakness in judging people.
PererAUS is honest and direct person.
He is not Croatian
Because he is honest and direct so we can be certain that he is Australian. (Most probably still young.}
From his style we can deduct that he is a professor, or maybe only teacher of history.
Problem with him is that he still lives in the dreamworld of Anglo-Saxon Glory.
He does not realize that England become on world stage more or less irrelevant.
He is in total denial that US is not ruled by Anglo-Saxons anymore, but it is ruled by Zionist Jews.
When he wakes up from his dreams he becomes frustrated, and he is trying to correct everybody.
He is a tortured soul and I am sorry for him, and so should be everybody willing to express a little bit compassion.
I am a retired officer of the U.S. Navy, and used to be a true believer in the Cold War. I am too old to fight now, but, if I were younger, I would see no reason to fight for the present U.S. setup. I wonder how many current members of the U.S. military are motivated to fight for the current setup.
Narcissist PeterAUS (yuck) said: “Any (honest) soldier will tell you that he/even she will 10 times of 10 prefer being pinned down by a sniper than be under (even medium) mortar fire.”
So, so, arrogant & naturally inclined to talk down to people.
Fyi, I was a grunt-soldier once who did my best to be “honest,” stay true to the standard oath of not doing harm to civilians, POW’s, anti-war protestors, and served my country with a modicum of dignity while President Nixon’s Vietnam war intensified by “ten times.”
Regarding your sentence (above), & as I never desired to climb the gung-ho ladder beyond Specialist 4, today I conclude that the mightiest & most advanced ZUSA weaponry is (at present) pinning down my, Oh Lord & pass ‘da ammo, argh, “Homeland.”
It is, Thought Control Missiles & Warheads…, little PeterAUS.
And The Jewish Corporate Media is a united & Western transnational “sniper;” a WMD system as visible as Dimona’s nuclear one but, but, ain’t really frickin there for an AEC viewing.
You are pinned-down by the self cluster-fuck image that appears each morning in your tubby-tub fall(en)out shelter. Thanks for your regular comment dis-service! Go, Peter, go. (zzZigh)
Help me out with the chronology, Ron. I thought the Communist Party authorities began introducing economic reforms based on market principles in 1978.
Now that I think about it, a lot of preliminary work must have gone into arranging a deal of this magnitude between the kingpins of Wall St and the leaders of the CP before China could make an official announcement that it had agreed to open its doors to foreign investment. The agreement must have taken several years to nail down. Not sure how widely disseminated information about this deal had been. That said, I imagine more than a few individuals must have been privy to the fact that a major policy shift was afoot – i.e., the relocating of manufacturing jobs from heartland America to China – via the introduction of the “great labour arbitrage.” I must say, in passing, the introduction of this policy change was largely responsible for the decimation of the American middle class, something that noted industrialists like Henry Ford would never had condoned.
Informative.
A question: would you refuse a recall (say, it’s feasible) even if that means going to prison?
A million dollar question.
The real and simple question could be: how many current members of the U.S. military would refuse to fight for the current setup even if it means going to prison?
For the most likely (next) engagement, Iran, I think….a negligible few.
That’s all what matters.
I would like to see some documentation please…
Here’s mine:
“Despite the rapid growth of the Chinese economy in the last decade, more than 482 million people in China – 36% of the population – live on less than $2 a day.
In total 85% of China’s poor live in rural areas and extreme poverty forces many of them to leave the countryside in search of employment in urban areas. Often referred to as the factory of the world, China’s industry-oriented economy relies on these migrant workers who make up the majority of the workforce.
There are approximately 150 million internal migrant workers in China who, because of their status, do not receive any state benefits or protection. They have to endure poor working conditions such as excessive and forced overtime, denial of social security rights and failure to provide employment contracts, as well as severe health risks.
Before opening up its economy in 1978, China had stringent controls on the movement of people between rural and urban areas, preventing migration to cities. These controls were part of the permit (hukou) system, in which welfare entitlements such as pensions, housing, health and education were tied to a person’s place of birth.
As China moved towards a market economy, cheap rural labour helped fuel the country’s growth and constraints on migration were reduced, however the restrictions on household registration of the hukou have remained in place, so migrant workers become outcasts without access to any state benefits or protection, despite Chinese laws enshrining “equal rights” for all.”
https://waronwant.org/sweatshops-china
My conviction is that any regime that treats people in such way, is ethically bankrupt. The US government is also ethically bankrupt for what is doing to its people. I do not believe in double standards.
22.3 million women are CPC members. The CPC currently has 89.45 million members, making it the second largest political party in the world after India’s Bharatiya Janata Party.
However the one’s with the real power and wealth, are a TINY fraction of the above number.
I suspect Bombercommamd is black. Which would explain his hostility to whightening processes.
Mattboi 484, Thanks for that reeking pile of shit from lawfare. It’s grim here in the US juridical laughingstock, and we needed a belly laugh. The first recognizable undigested morsel in this somewhat unconsolidated stool was the dishonestly distorted caricature of the G-192’s (the world’s) position on unilateral sanctions: that they’re void because they’re extraterritorial. Unilateral US sanctions are illegal because they are in manifest breach of UN Charter Article 41. Evidently the lawfare hacks think your readers are so stupid that they don’t know that.
So of course CIA apparatchiks at DoJ hoked up a charge of bank fraud. The transparently political vindictive prosecution underlying the extradition would get laughed out of any grown-up apex court – and Canada’s is one of the world’s more widely respected.
The writhing worm bolus in Ku’s big wet dump was his use of CIA’s magic words security and policy to void any law restricting US coercive foreign interference. This is typical bad-faith interpretation, in this case to undermine trade law with arbitrary let-outs. Ass-kissing suck-ups like Ku and Koh chop the same logic suey with the universal-jurisdiction law on torture. They only have one trick.
The funniest little undigested corn kernel from Ku’s breakfast burrito was his invocation of Canadian due process. That’s because the arbitrary detention of Julian Assange has disgraced and discredited the US regime that imposed it. Meng’s extradition could be refused simply on the grounds of US impunity for torture.
CIA put their parrot Julian Ku on his cramped perch at Third-Tier Toilet Hofstra law school. Doomed Hofstra Law debt peons will emerge with worthless credentials and spend their lives proofreading contracts in dank basements at ten bucks an hour. But Ku will be grunting out his CIA doctrine dumps onto the leading international law blog in all of Hempstead.
Ku shows us why US legal education is a joke in the outside world.
You are a national treasure, Richie. You and your senile geezer pals still fight on against all odds from high atop your bar stool lookouts at the VFW lounge after a couple of two dollar doubles….in between complaining about your prostate woes? You would have had it won in two weeks if the civilian egg suckers hadn’t stabbed you and your mates in the back, right? Duty, honor, country, and whose turn is it to buy the next round………..
They might not refuse to obey orders, but be very slow and unenthusiastic in following orders. That kind of army loses wars.
Good post.
Especially:
As for
Ah, well, you know, “enemy of my enemy” etc.
Besides, double standard is an important part of (spoken and written) flagellation of West. Very popular around.
Self-flagellation in particular.
I can get, up to a point, some admiration of current Russia within Western sphere.
But the current China…oh my.
It’s never about the obvious is it?
It’s not about the spying.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-14/the-maria-butina-case-is-not-about-russian-spying
It’s called “making up excuses as you go along”, and why not – that propaganda machine cost a lot of money, so you might as well use it.
I don’t know about your meta-physical gibberish – but the “harmonious based Eastern countries” are all using Western hopeful thought to advance themselves.
Think Peace — Art
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Besides your horrible grammar, it’s been well established how/why people are “boss pleasers” “ass kisssers” “boot lickers”(which one is you?), and the threat of prison never really enters the equation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Pricelless!!!!!!
Anybody and everybody can be legally justified to go to prison. That means you!
Again, speaking in terms of pitiable narcissism, ha-ha, PeterAUS wrote: “A million dollar question.
The real and simple question could be: how many current members of the U.S. military would refuse to fight for the current setup even if it means going to prison?”
More stinky stuff, above. Fyi, the following W. Bush bible-thumping GWOT-pronouncement still stands for all heroic American soldiers: “You are either with us or with the terrorists.”
Go watch “Enemy at the Gate,” yo-yo, and you can see what happened to refusenik Soviet “boots on the ground” who did not follow Commissar orders to charge and uphold Stalin’s international communist policy expansion’s setup “setup.”
Is it really your contention that the 6 day skirmish between the mighty Russian military and tiny Georgia gave the Russkies more combat experience than the 15 year involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan that the American military has been involved in? You can’t be serious. I’m not sure who these “honest” he/she soldiers are who you write about, but men who’ve spent time in the bush, under enemy fire and pursuing enemies, are a definite plus in any combat operation.
You really can’t hold it against the US military that they were able to destroy any Iraqi artillery or air forces, that’s called good planning and execution. It could even be called a mistake, or oversight, that the Russians weren’t able to take out Georgia’s tiny air force and artillery before engaging them.
It’s not just a matter of preventing your family and friends from being guillotined. I was taught as a naval officer that my duty was seeing to the welfare of my sailors. By doing so, I felt that I had fulfilled a function in life.
Oh you poor baby! Did the bad man hurt your itty bitty feelings and reject all the garbage you have been spewing on this site for years?
Pardon my ignorance but did China agree to Iranian sanctions? If so then a Chinese company avoiding these would violate a treaty. If not then the arrest is a hostile action.
Depends.
For conventional war, yes.
A video:
Take a look.
Some writing:
http://www.cast.ru/files/The_Tanks_of_August_sm_eng.pdf
Take a look.
I am afraid I am.
Honest: those who can compare. Who have experienced both incoming artillery/tank fire/air strikes and incoming small arms fire. BOTH.
You’ll find very few of them in Western armed forces. Especially air strikes.
Plenty of those in Russian armed forces.
Of course. We are talking what’s better.
I feel you’d agree that a guy who’s experienced BOTH is better. At least better in making estimates and decisions on such a battlefield.
Of course.
I think there is a tiny misunderstanding here. Let’s clarify it.
As we speak, Russian armed forces, especially infantry, have more experience in conventional warfare than any Western force.
That has no relationship as to performance of any Western force, USA in particular, in any future conventional war.
Because, I think we know that, experience is important but so are some other things.
I mean…hehe…African militias have decades of “combat experience”. Japanese Self-defense Force none. I’d put my money on Japanese brigade combat team against any African militia of similar size 10 times of 10.
Let’s cut to the chase here.
The ONLY conventional war I can think of at this stage of is US/Western ..ahm….”engagement” in Iran.
I am positive that those forces , should we have that war, will deliver what their TRUE objective is. Or, better, what the elites in Washington (and somewhere else) want. Not necessarily what will be sold to public as to reason for …mm…”engagement” or even given to top brass as objective.
Military morale is down the tubes. It’s even lower than when I enlisted in 1972 (USAF). Today, soldiers have to deal with social issues while they’re dealing with IEDs, Rules of Engagement, extended combat tours and the disillusionment of their lacking an actual mission, or a prime objective. At least we lost the Vietnam War, and pulled out on that basis. These days, troops are most likely wondering why a similar withdrawal has not been authorized.
You do not know what you are talking about.
Georgians brought the tanks and artillery and early in the morning they started to shell the city.
There was considerable number of civilian casualties.
Than they did send into the city to eliminate a small number of Russian peacekeepers,
Georgian units surrendered the building and they kept firing on it. then other group of peace keepers came to help and Georgian were caught in crossfire. Still Russians had more casualties than Georgian.
Russians peacekeepers did hold out.
After two days first regiment of Russian regulars did arrive at the scene. Georgians retreated.
During the day Fully armored Russian regulars with armored personal carriers and tanks did arrive.
Georgian were retreating in panic.
It was actually not a real war. But Georgians did shoot down two Russian planes that were on recognizance mission, That was probably the only surprise for Russians
Hope, Faith, Trust, they all factor into Christianity. There ARE miracles occurring regularly, many of which can be traced to a person praying for the same. Mr. Stiley, famed Air Florida Flight Palm 90 crash survivor, recalled his last words before the aircraft impacted the frozen Potomac River: “God help me”. Perhaps divine intervention spared his life. I would sooner believe in such a resource for humans, than to nod my head in agreement with evolutionists while they try to explain the origin of our universe and our species.
What are your thoughts on India?
In recent years, India has produced fairly strong economic growth numbers. There’s been a particularly notable explosion in the number of high net worth individuals in India.
However, despite the above trend, there’s evidence that India’s caloric consumption (which was inadequate to begin with) has actually declined in recent years. Another worrying trend is that job growth has significantly slowed in recent years, which is particularly disturbing when you consider the high rate of growth of the youth labor force.
Some have argued that India’s quarter century of economic liberalization has benefited entrepreneurs and upper-end professionals, but has (in some respects) lowered the standard of living of the masses. Similar to the dynamic that we see in much of the first world.
According to one analysis that I read, Indian businessmen are complaining that their domestic population isn’t skilled enough to work in global enterprises. This assertion seems supported by India’s poor performance in international standardized testing. Many Indian companies are actually quickly increasing business profits by shedding workers and automating their job functions.
Do you think India’s economic growth is real or do you think the Indian economy is just smoke&mirrors?
You’ve offered a significant amount of insightful analysis into the trajectories of China and United States. At some point, you should write an article about India, whose population will eventually eclipse even that of even China.
Good way to put it.
As most Jews wouldn’t have any idea about some Jewish part in the opium trade in the 19th century precisely who do you have in mind as the learned possessor of a highly tender conscience? (There weren’t many Ashkenazi Jews involved were there?).
“The real and simple question could be: how many current members of the U.S. military would refuse to fight for the current setup even if it means going to prison? For the most likely (next) engagement, Iran, I think….a negligible few.”
Billion dollar questions: How many would after the Chinese won a major naval engagement provoked by the United States? How many would if ordered to attack within Russia over Ukraine?
Trillion dollar question: Does the American public have the stomach for a major war against China or Russia?
I think the answer to at least the latter question is certainly no. Things are very divided here. Emperor has no clothes moment for sure. In that light, perhaps the country’s leadership should avoid possible confrontations should their weakness be exposed.
No, the US had enlisted members of the intensely hated and brutal Japanese occupation army to keep order until the US forces could gin up a “Korean” force to root out political opposition. The US installed the OSS man Rhee as a dictator who had escaped the brutality of the Japanese occupation by living in the US during the war. Rhee was from the south of Korea where resistance to the hated Japanese was less fierce than in the North. The free elections the US had previously pledged to allow were not allowed. Rhee’s henchmen exterminated his opposition, and began crossing the 38th parallel attacking opponents. Northern ‘communist’ militias began reprisal attacks which eventually escalated into open military conflict. When the dead bodies began numbering in the thousands, the North decided to put an end to Rhee’s US-allowed and Japanese-trained occupation force marauders by moving on Seoul , since the US would not reign him in. The Koreans did not view their country as North and South, one managed by a foreign overseas government, which was an clearly an American goal.
Mao united China and threw out Chiang’s hated and immensely corrupt minority government. Members of the Truman Admin. even made public statements as to the fallacy of supporting Chiang’s lackluster and corrupt KTM.
It would be very interesting to know where your analysis has got to now since your initial brilliant leap. You have mentioned Adelson’s age without finally resolving what that might mean to the Chinese in terms of tactics. And you will have considered no doubt what existing arrangements there are between Adelson and the CCP. May I suggest also just a possible tactical detail. Is the saving of face by the Chinese a major consideration? Maybe not compared with what they can get out of stringing out America’s, and Canada’s embarrassment. They must certainly be monitoring reaction around the world to this latest excess of US extra territorial reach.
“Parts of Modern Germany were under Roman control, the areas west of the Rhine known as Germania Inferior were a Roman Province.”
Only a small part of Northern Europe/Germany, which was the point. Rome wanted to expand further but could not. They were not stopped by philosophy but logistics. Same with China. They will do as the Americans did before and the British before them and the Spanish before them and so on.
“Human history is also filled with huge popaulations dying from the plague, but that doesn’t mean it will continue to happen. Humans are slow learners, but we learn.”
Humans never learn. You don’t learn away fundamental aspects of evolutionary psychology.
“You have got to be kidding. I notice you erased a critical part of my sentence, so I’ll put it back in:”
What I erased made no impact on the argument whatsoever. Ancient China did not have the ability to conquer and hold onto Siberia anymore than Rome had the ability to conquer modern day Sweden. China, however, certainly did fight and conquer territory when they had the chance, which I demonstrated in a link you clearly either didn’t read or comprehend. I don’t see any reason why that would change in the future. When given the chance, they will certainly do as all other peoples have done before them. To suggest otherwise is to suggest magic.
“China has been overwhelmingly powerful for most of the last two milennia in Asia. For 2000 years, she’s had vastly more than enough strength to conquer Siberia, but did not do so. Why not?”
China has never had the capability to conquer Siberia in that time for two reasons: external threats and logistics. Please consult a history book before posting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China
“For 2000 years, she’s had vastly more than enough strength to conquer Siberia…”
First, that’s wrong; the Mongols ended up conquering China during that period. Second, the US could conquer Canada but hasn’t. Could that fact be used to suggest the US won’t attack Iran? Obviously not. An ignorant observer from space only given that tidbit of information about Canada might also naively be led to believe that the US doesn’t have military bases all over the world…but they’d be wrong.
“The tiny fragment of the Roman empire in Brittania was not strong enough to conquer the northern part of the island, so the Romans built Hadrian’s Wall.”
The Chinese weren’t strong or sophisticated enough to conquer more territory, so they built their Great Wall. In fact, they began building it at about the same time you asserted they could conquer Siberia. Later, they were conquered themselves. Sort of disproves your theory about them being able to conquer Siberia but magically deciding not to because they are enlightened or something, right?
“In contrast, China’s full power was right up against Siberia, but China chose to build the (vastly larger) Great Wall. Why?”
Duh. She reached the limits of her power same as Rome did. Ancient societies before the age of modern communications often struggled to hold onto large geographic territories. They expanded until it was no longer feasible for them to continue. I’m sure Rome could have dumped all of her military might into conquering all of modern day Germany. She didn’t because merely conquering the territory and holding onto it aren’t the same thing; Rome could never have expanded far into Northern Europe absent an industrial revolution. Same with China/Siberia. The structure of that society wasn’t set up to hold onto more territory, so they stopped and concentrated on holding onto what they already had. Simple. No magic required.
And the Great Wall is larger than Hadrian’s Wall due to the geography of the territory being defended, not the sort of mystical beneficence I think you are trying to imply on the part of the Chinese.
“I predict that the Chinese won’t behave at all like the Americans.”
I wouldn’t bet a nickel on your ‘prediction.’
“I think that the Americans are starting to have second thoughts about making China (soon to be) the most powerful economy in the world by transferring all the factories that they could over there in the last 25 years.”
Too late. High IQ people like myself warned these ignoramuses back in the day about that, but they did nothing. The key difference between the US and China is that people like me rule China while guys like Stephen Moore rule the USA.
“You should look at China Uncensored. A great YouTube channel with over 700,000 subscribers.”
A channel that totally isn’t a well-funded operation paid for by CIA shell company money with the aim of defaming the Chinese across Asia with obvious lies – like that one vid they made claiming China was manufacturing GMO super-babies…even had a ‘lil tyke lifting a barbell in the thumbnail. Fantastic. Also loved the one claiming they were making defective dams in Asian countries the US is competing for influence in; cool thumbnail of a damn exploding and water rushing through, too. Otherwise, great channel. Just a couple of “journalist” guys hanging around making hundreds of well-produced videos ’bout China for no reason whatsoever. A normal person might ask how they were paying for all of that with the meager returns given by YouTube…but hey, they do have a Patreon, right? Or PayPal. Want to FRONT them some cash? Totally sure they get enough from that to pay for these videos.
I always wondered about it. What meetings where and when were held? Who was there? What did they really think?
With my limited understanding of international finance, I thought that the globalist policy of printing money that other countries willingly take in exchange for tangible products is what keeps the dollar afloat.
That and the mailed fist of the US military enforcing the petrodollar.
Other than the Soviet Union, most empires did not collapse suddenly but went through a slow decline. It is unlikely that the USD will be replaced by the RMB or gold overnight.
As to the loss of a carrier in a conflict, while it would be a significant blow, there are other (non nuclear) weapons in the US military arsenal that can project power over long distances, especially with the worldwide network of bases.
The rise of China is unstoppable, but I see America as continuing to be top dog for the next several years.
Would Facebook allow them to?
That is what Russia thought about Ukraine.
Two decades, that is all it took for Mearsheimer’s prediction to come true.
Unz: “Although your comments over the last couple of years have been extremely prolific (totaling nearly 500,000 words), offhand I can’t think of a single one that ever stuck in my mind or impressed me. They mostly seem like boilerplate, low-quality anti-Russian agitation.”
— This is a fair description of your comments, peterAUS.
peterAUS: “It would be interesting to see will you retain some semblance of fair play and not…..ahm…”moderate” my posts from now on.”
— It seems that you made an attempt at questioning the integrity of Ron Unz. There is a considerable distance between you two with regard to fairness and integrity — not in your favor.
“You have a complete weakness in judging people”
— This is presumptuous.
Bravo.
The question of Askenazi vs. Other derivations is entirely irrelevant, and a red herring. Jews as a group were almost solely responsible from start to finish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassoon_family
With the US out of the picture China has absolutely no need to threaten. If the USSR was enough of an economic powerhouse, Western Europe would have fallen under its sway, fear of that was the idea behind the EC, which was originally the European Economic Community. Japan is exporting to China, big time.
China has a huge market and elites get richer selling out to China, hence rising inequality and doubling down on the working class with immigration to prevent wages rising and prevent working class solidarity. There is only one thing that can reverse rising inequality.
If Ron has some insight into these questions, it would be good if he could share it with his readers.
The “aggression” in Ukraine in 2014 came from the US. Would an independent Ukraine with nuclear weapons have prevented Nuland, McCain and Biden from toppling Ukraine’s government in 2014? Would Nuland be afraid to plan the “revolution” knowing that Ukraine had nukes? US ukraine is a US deep state puppet state now with no “brains of its own”. Would a US deep state puppet with nukes which can be commanded at any time by Washington to attack any nation on earth with the “plausible deniability” clause, “we didn’t do it, they (Ukraine) did it”,be a good thing for our planet? Climate Change is peanuts compared to nuclear war. This Ukraine with nukes meme is not valid. Nukes are centralized in centers of powers, the capitol, thus in the Soviet Union it would be Moscow. Fifteen republics went “independent” after the fall of the Soviet Union. Why should only Ukraine get nukes and the passwords from Moscow? What makes Ukraine so special for that? Ukraine should have not taken candies or cookies from strangers. Canada is a extreme vassal to the US. Ukraine had a lot more freedom, perhaps too much, it fell for the massive sludge of US/western propaganda that the west/US/Israel works for good and is good.
Why are you telling me about Ukraine ?
Im calling out your B,S, about China.
In case you forget….
No sooner than fukus arm twisted UN to impose sanction on Nk over its nuke program, when Washington broke the very UN sanction it orchestrated, to allow Nk arms sale to Ethiopia, ….cuz uncle sham was using the EthiopiaN proxy army to attack Somalia under the fraudulent wot.
Stuff like this you just couldnt make it up.
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https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/202/42436.html
Maybe. Probably.
But I am very observant person, and I do have a memory of the elephant.
I do notice things that other persons do not pay attention whatsoever.
I do not blame Ron. He has many other things on his mind.
Mao and his filthy Red Army laid low while the beloved Chiang and his Nationalists fought the Nips with everything they had. Using the words of the corrupt haberdasher’s commie filled administration as your argument doesn’t work.
Are you seriously making the argument that the invasion of the South by the brutal Reds in the North was somehow justified? Having spent a good deal of time in South Korea and among Koreans, I’ve never come across a native who would agree with you. Perhaps you should put down your communist history books and realize that the Reds, every last one of them, were vicious, deranged murderers, or useful idiots who spout the company line. Which one are you?
Lol, AnonFromTN, you’re literally saying stuff that Mao said in China. One of his most famous quotes was that what determines most the outcome of a war is people, not weapons.
And Chinese say all the time in Chinese that Russians have really strong fighting spirit. It’s just the impression they get. Some people link it to the cold weather. It’s quite cold in the northern side of China in the winter too. I know somebody who used the cold weather to explain personality difference between Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese. In China, many people find Russian girls really hot and will openly say it.
It’s interesting how you feel like America has emasculated Europeans too, to the extent that they don’t even protect their women. How do you and other Russian men feel about so many Russian women defecting though. By the way, I now basically no longer want to interact with Chinese-Americans. Tired of those liberal deracinated brainwashed cucks. Real Chinese are so much better and more interesting. The women are so much more attractive, not just the way they look but the way they act.
Some Russian in Russia told me that many Russians envied American standard of living. I responded to him the following way.
AlphaZero wins, but not by boring explore-all-avenue style one might expect from absolute rationality; Gary Kasparov noted it is surprising to see such striking aggressiveness from a computer. The other thing it does is very tight positional play in which subtle advantages are seized
What is best “for survival in the physical world and success in human society”? Intellectuals deride humankind as tribal and aggressive, and lots of people here think America is too aggressive and hypersensitive for its own good. Maybe they are overthinking it.
Because it is to Russia as Canada is to the US. And it ended up leaving Russia’s orbit. The US and China both took note. Chin will try to dominate states around it, just as the US dominates Canada and Mexico–without invading them. It would be foolish of China to behave in any other way and the example of what happened to Russia will re-enforce the obvious truth: countries that back off get taken advantage of.
We’re in the age of push-button, video game type weaponry. The will to fight and the quality of the soldier doesn’t matter as much as it used to when fighting was up close and personal.
you shall go to my bozo file,.
Hopeless quagmire in Afghanistan for 17 years does not support your assertions.
Meanwhile, about the only national institution that retains any popular credibility is our military, and suddenly people would realize it also was just an incredibly expensive fraud.
Whatever your opinion of what happened on 9/11, the utter failure of the multi-billion-dollar military-industrial complex was manifest. Their military headquarters at the Pentagon was undefended! (Something hit the building, if not a plane, whatever you think.) Also, a plane took off from Otis Airforce Base, on Cape Cod, at 8:40AM. That base is 180 miles from Manhattan, and the plane flying could go 1875 miles per hour. In other words, it could traverse the distance in 6 minutes at top speed.
The North tower was hit at 846 AM. I don’t think anyone would have justified a shoot-down of the plane before it did so. The South Tower was hit at 9:02 AM. The plane, launched from Otis, arrived to defend NYC at 9:08am.
I’ve had no illusions that the Pentagon was the headquarters for the department of “defense” ever since.
Japan’s exports as a percentage of GDP have averaged around 12% since 1960, and the highest it reached was 18% in 2015. This is lower than most countries, and lower than the other advanced economies.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Japan/Exports/
Germany’s exports as percentage of GDP last year were 47%. China’s were 20%, lower than most countries, and lower than all advanced industrialized countries. The UK, France, and Italy for example each had around 31% of their GDP as exports.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/Exports/
South Korea is the major east Asian economy with a major % of GDP in exports, at 43%.
Well, Mao said a lot of smart things (as well as a lot of not very smart ones). I don’t think it’s the climate, though: Sweden and Canada have colder climate than Northern China or most of Russia, but Swedes and Canadians are quintessential cucks. They ruined their countries. I say, good riddance. Pure evolution: survival of the fittest. I am sure that there are normal people in Sweden and Canada (I know some of them), but the population in both countries keeps electing hopeless cucks.
I have virtually no experience with US-born Chinese. I had two very smart Chinese post-docs, one so-so, and one fairly low in intelligence, and all of them were born in big China. I had a very intelligent and hard-working female grad student from China. She is now a post-doc in a first-rate lab. I have two smart collaborators, one born in China, the other in Taiwan. Most Chinese I know are smart and not politically correct, i.e., normal people, not brainwashed cucks.
Some Russians do envy American living standards, especially those who believe in a myth that in the US everyone is a lot richer than in Russia. The real difference is no more than two-fold, despite massive printing of money by the US. Without direct thievery and financial gimmicks the difference would likely become imperceptible. Many more believed the fairy tale of American prosperity in 1991. Unlike some nations we know, most Russians learned from their mistakes, so another fraud like the “democracy” of the 1990-s has no chance in Russia. The self-appointed “liberals” there have a steady ~4% support with no hope of any significant increase. That’s why the State Department and CIA are gnashing their teeth and supporting hopeless nonentities, to Putin’s delight. I am not a big fan of Putin and his courtiers, but I’d choose them over so-called “liberals” every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Apparently, that’s how most people in Russia feel.
The US is guilty of many things, but I don’t think emasculating Europe is one of them. Europe was always a breeding ground for the Nazi-style ideology (“we are better than others”) that lasted through the colonial period. Then it engendered its opposite: current political correctness, including the worship of primitive savages and sexual perverts. I don’t see much hope for Europe: its hypocrisy is killing it and will finish the job. To the best of my knowledge neither Russia nor China will go under with self-destroying West.
There is one glaring example of the US Governments behavior as Supreme World Hegemon towards its own people. That would be FATCA, when the US in one fell swoop stripped all US expats of their financial privacy and turned them into financial pariah’s across the planet.
Even worse, the IRS retroactively doubled the statute of limitations by claiming that as of 2012, the FBAR SOL applied not only back to 2009 but back to 2006. Penalties were draconian, up to 50% of the maximum balance of any undeclare foreign financial account. The the IRS set up the honeytrap of OVDI, promising an easy way for millions of expats to come into compliance. Those unfortunate enough to take the bait ended up in a satanic IRS tax limbo double jeapordy. Swiss bank employees still will not travel to the US to this day out of fear that the IRS will have them nabbed for sins against US tax code, despite their being Non-US persons and Swiss citizens.
Fast forward to 2018 and the Trumps MAGA tax cut, and things are even worse. The Transfer Tax and GILTI Tax (I kid you not, expat entrepreneurs are automatically GILTI. GILTI=Global Intangeable Low Taxed Income.
Expats owning 10% of a CFC (Certified Foreign Corporation) now have to pay a 17.5% GILTI tax on all retained earnings. The Transfer tax retroactively taxes all accumulated retained earnings of a US owned CFC back to 1987. Of course, those would be IRS retained earnings which will force any US person owned, and most USP minority owned, corporations to keep 2 sets of books going forward, one for the IRS and one for their domestic tax authorities. Foreign corporations are being forced to comply with IRS reporting and accounting standards and report back to the IRS all retained earnings so that the IRS can tax them through US person shareholders.
It is an incredible sovereignty grab by the US and the IRS, and the biggest victims will clearly be US person expats. Millions of them have been stripped of their basic human rights and have slowly been turned into pariah’s in the countries they call home.
http://www.citizenshipsolutions.ca/2018/09/03/part-13-calculating-the-transition-tax-just-like-dental-work-painful-in-more-ways-than-one/
First, I’m absolutely no expert on India and don’t feel I have a fraction of the necessary background to write a serious article. By contrast, I’ve been following China closely for over 40 years, and over the decades have probably read at least 50-60 books dealing with that country.
However, having made that strong disclaimer, I’ve always have a pretty negative impression of India/South Asia. I think one of its biggest problems is that the society doesn’t really consist of one people, but instead of dozens or even hundreds of castes and sub-castes, most of which regard each other as rivals or even hereditary enemies. So I think that for many, many generations people growing up in India have considered the vast majority of everyone they encounter in their daily lives as members of various out-groups that they dislike and to whom they feel no connection of loyalty. I think that’s a major reason that the governance has been of such poor quality, and corruption and poverty is so horrific.
Now in recent years, India has supposedly had very high rates of economic growth, but I’m pretty skeptical about that. In China, you seen the evidence of rapid technological and economic advancement everywhere around you, but there doesn’t seem to be almost any of that in India. A huge fraction of everything people buy in America and the West comes from China, including some of the most advanced technological goods, but India’s seems to have few serious exports except for low-end software services and phone support, and there have been all sorts of huge scandals with their generic drug industry. Basically, India seems to specialize in things whose quality is either low or can’t easily be measured.
I remember a couple of years ago, that new Indian PM announced he was planning to change the way Indian GDP was measured and there was a huge wave of MSM stories opposing the change and saying it would probably lead to massive government fraud in economic statistics. But he did it anyway, and sure enough, India suddenly had the fastest growing economy in the world, presumably due to fraud.
So my personal sense is indeed that Indian economic success is just a house of mirrors propped up by at least as much economic fraud as the worst sectors of the US economy and absolutely nothing like China’s huge, objective success.
But once again, I must emphasize that I’m absolutely no expert on India…
There is a theory the Chinese government allowed Ms. Meng to experience weaponized US justice to remind the Chinese billionaires they serve at the pleasure of the Chinese government. The Chinese government is still a revolutionary entity which vigorously destroys fleas, while the old dog of USA government is infested with fleas and unable to rid itself of the infestations. Sigh!
True. However, unlike India’s BJP, in China only the best people are allowed into the Communist Party. Even the famous basketball player Yao Ming had to graduate (with a degree in economics from Jiao Tong, one of the top universities) before he could join.
Any stable organization needs leadership. In China, the organization (the Communist Party) is overwhelmingly more important than the top leadership.
China is not a dictatorship. Xi Jinping was not elected, but he can’t do anything unless nearly all the Standing Committee of the Politburo agree. (And Xi did not get to choose these people.) Xi can’t start a war just by saying so, as Trump can and as both Bushes did.
In China, power and wealth are not identical. The people with the most power are not necessarily wealthy, and the people with the most wealth (like Jack Ma of Alibaba) are not necessarily in the top ranks of the Communist Party.
Like any insular group, Jews know what’s going on, but they also know what will happen if they buck the trend. Whatever scam is taking place within the realm of Jewish skulduggery, their operative phrase is “Mum”. David Cole is an example. While the Holocaust Industry further institutionalizes their WWII Fib, which now has attained the status of being sanctioned and protected via a U.N., resolution, Mr. Cole has researched the matter from the context of being an insider. As many have discovered, the Jewish Holocaust is merely a protracted War Atrocity Propaganda Campaign which should have ended with the hostilities. Instead, a railroading exercise at Nuremberg rendered that campaign as the condemnation of Germany for their attempted annihilation of European Jews, which somehow justified the usurpation of Palestinian sovereignty to accord Jews their very own refuge. (Prior to this arrangement, this nomadic tribe was faced with ingratiating themselves onto foreign soil after they had scammed a previous population.) Not only did Jews get their Homeland (Oh Brother..) established, they also arranged for a destitute and defeated Germany to underwrite their expenses. Mr. Cole was kind of a monkey wrench thrown into the machinery that has operated since this Holocaust baloney originated. You can imagine how he was regarded by the tribe. Jews have this bi-polar identity which varies between their being a race or a religion. Maybe when they wake up in the morning, they throw a dart at a target with alternating “Race/Religion” segments. Whichever place the dart sticks, that’s their story for the day.
Trump sucked a lot of dissatisfied voters in by mumbling a few things about not being happy with the decision to invade Iraq. Some may have even hoped for a new 9/11 investigation because he made an oblique comment that seemed to startle Jeb Bush in one of the debates. Other than that, his anti-establishment creds consisted largely of personal insults of full-time politicians and media figures on Twitter.
Other than Trump, how many national-level candidates (Presidency, House or Senate) are there who aren’t tightly sticking with one party line or another? Despite the obvious disaffection of the electorate, something is culling potential dissidents at the primary level, and before that in most cases. How much media coverage do you think you would receive if you ran for office in California again after speaking out on so many issues?
I guess it’s too much to hope for that “smocking gun” was a cryptic shot across Mueller’s bow.
Agreed. Even many of the baby boomers approaching retirement age aren’t much better off. The Federal government with its $22T debt isn’t going to be in a position to help them (Bolton said a few months ago something to the effect that he hoped that Social Security wouldn’t have to be cut “too much” to support the military budget). Of course the debt payments are going to become much more burdensome when interest rates rise.
Keynes’s original proposal was to run a surplus during good times in order to to finance government stimulus during recessions, but it never seems to work out like that, does it?
You are right – machine learning does not explore all avenues, but it blindly creates and optimizes artificial rules for best approximating the outcome of exploring all avenues. It is an interesting and powerful invention, but it still is far more confined by starting conditions than truly free-roaming human intelligence.
4. Law enforcement is an important tool to advance U.S. policy toward China.
It is the weaponizing of justice and due process by the US Empire that is emblematic of the erosion of US influence worldwide and the increasing resentment and resistance to the failed US Empire bid for global hegemony….damn the centuries of respect for institutional integrity and human decency.
Lawfare is a thinly disguised neo-conservative subversion of US law and justice for tribal benefit.
I agree! The US corporate and governing elites are leveling the working class of America. Who will defend or support the corrupt elite in their time of need, as the looming collision of narrative and reality is upon them and theirs? American imperial elites ignore privilege must be balanced by responsibility or it all falls down.
Like most Americans, your ignorance doesn’t prevent you from being loud, abusive, and wrong.
The fact is that Chiang Kai-Shek refused to fight the Japanese, except perhaps for some token resistance. He graduated from Baoding, a preparatory school for the Japanese army; he studied in Japan; and he even served in the Imperial Japanese Army from 1909-1911.
It was the Communists, led by Mao, that fought the Japanese.
The “Ruling Elite” is but one ruse Americans have been conditioned to fear or loathe. Since our culture has been fractured into competing government dependent supplicants, we’ve lost sight of our national heritage, which granted each American the right (Opportunity, or Pursuit) to fashion our own support structures, livelihoods and means of subsistence. To hoist these nabobs to some inviolable status as our exalted rulers erases what we were provided by the Founding Fathers. They’re human beings, not Gods. When fear and intimidation supplant freedom and self-determination among our population, it’s time to topple those thrones our forefathers fought so valiantly to wrest from our shores.
The Japanese invasion is the biggest recruiting tool for the Chinese Communist. The Chinese Communist grew leaps and bound while fighting the Japanese. I have a relative who joined the Communist very early later he revealed that he printed fake currency to drive the economy into hyperinflation and destabilized the country. Of course the Communist will tell you that it is they who fought the Japanese and denigrate the KMT. What do you expect?
Mao is a fucking piece of shit. His stinking corpse should be dug out from his tomb and whip for three days and three nights.
https://fredgan.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/毁于文革中的部分全国珍贵文物古迹名录/
Actually, I think it’s mostly a threshold barrier that a candidate needs to overcome even given enormous dissatisfaction. Trump’s huge celebrity as a Reality TV star and his billions in personal wealth allowed him to initially break through. He also got very lucky with the exceptionally unusual shooting by an illegal immigrant in SF:
http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/
Actually, California is the exception that supports the rule. Despite the opinion of so many of the commenters here, things are really going pretty well in that particular state, with the biggest problem being the enormous expense of housing, partly due to the good economic times. That’s the reason that Trump and Trumpism did so disastrously badly there:
http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/
By contrast, people in CA were very dissatisfied in the early 2000s, which is why an outside like Schwarzenegger managed to easily win.
It’s kind of sad, but you are completely ignorant of the facts of the Sino-Japanese War. There were 23 battles between the Chinese and the Japanese between 1937 and 1945 where both sides employed at least one regiment, the Chicoms weren’t involved in any of them. After the “Long March” Mao’s greatest feat, a retreat, the Communists were broken and out of the war. These are what’s known as facts. You don’t have to trust me, look it up. Just don’t try and get your facts from Mao’s little red history book.
“…things are going pretty well in that state.” (California) I suppose they are, if you’re Gay/Trans-gendered, Undocumented, Employed by the State, Employed by the Liberal Media, Employed in Silicon Valley or in Hollywood. Otherwise, the vampire liberal left is going to be tapping more of our veins with higher taxes/fees/fines/foibles (Casinos, Lotteries, Drugs, Alcohol, Pornography) and funds to cover the bills piling up on the governor’s desk, and many more people and businesses will be exiting the state accordingly.
My point was that humans balance risk and diminishing returns. which makes them cautious and prone to discount the rationality of aggressive courses of action. One assessment of Alpha Zero’s chess style was “insane offensive play”. Just because the US is behaving aggressively does not necessarily mean that is is being irrational. It may be insufficiently aggressive for the aforementioned reasons. Bertrand Russel and John von Neumann wanted to threaten the USSR with nukes to disarm it and prevent it ever developing nukes of its own. Most people leave a train of thought several stations before it gets to such a logical conclusion.
As far as we know. Free-roaming machine intelligence may play, as an opening gambit, dumb. Such a “subtle positional advantage” would never be given up.
Well, that’s not strictly true because quite a few Chinese are in Christian churches.
However, I do wonder just precisely what aspects of Christianity resonate with them.
Because that is the truth: the Communists actually did more than the Nationalists, the Kuomintang (KMT), to beat the Japanese. The KMT mostly lost, including the major cities of Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Nanjing, Wuhan; that is why they had to retreat into the deep interior of China, making Chongqing the new capital. Meanwhile, the Communist guerrilas kept the Japanese from expanding, until the imperial country ran out of resources.
China had hyperinflation in the thirties, when the KMT was dominant. Was your relative telling the truth that the hyperinflation was caused by the Communists? Or was he merely spewing KMT propaganda?
Well, at least you aren’t being loud, abusive anymore, and that is an improvement. But you are still wrong.
You only think the Communists weren’t involved. On December 24 1936, they joined the Nationalists in a “unified front” against the Japanese.
The fact is, the Nationalists commanded the combined forces, and they kept losing. That is why they had to retreat into China’s deep interior, making Chongqing the new capital. The Communist guerrillas kept the Japanese from expanding and kept draining their resources.
Victory isn’t always about winning a decisive battle. Sometimes you prevail by exhausting the opponent. That is what the Communists did, while growing hugely stronger — so much stronger that they won the civil war against the Nationalists. Even if the U.S. hadn’t forced Japan’s surrender, Mao would eventually have ousted the Japanese from China.
Hum, the Milgram experiment is not about boss lickers, or so. It is about normal people and their inner tendencies to obey the people who are the Authority. It works as long as this Authority is perceived as such.
For instance, Milgram has shown that the power of Autority was lessened when the suit of the experimenter, or the room/building did not looked enough like official ones.
These details were important in Milgram experiment, because the people had no deep clue of what the real statute of Milgram staff was actually.
Will soldiers feel the duty to serve if they see that the Authority doesn’t deserves it?
Also, the “duty to serve” can be complemented with pay and benefits. That would be quite enough for the armchair top gun of the Air Force. The equation will be different for those who could get in real life a taste of the first minutes of Private Ryan.
Just how well would Little England be able to molest Big India today? I suspect that Japan, given the opportunity to ravage China again, would think better of it and choose survival instead.
“As the “practical, political side” of Taoist philosophy, Arthur Waley translated them as “abstention from aggressive war and capital punishment”, “absolute simplicity of living”, and “refusal to assert active authority”.[72]”
That’s the view of some Ivy league philosophy department. Do read books on Daoist practioners, Daoism is a self cultivation system, and see how the above para is so misinformed. Note, the authors you are looking for are lineage transmitters and they have written books in English.
Force where appropriate is appropriate.
What I formerly perceived as Sinophobia appears to be “yellow fever” as the odious phrase goes. I’m sure Ms. Meng (and the Chinese people for that matter) won’t be reassured by your prediction she won’t go to prison. After all, the USA has demonstrated it has no problem whatsoever for throwing people into prison, holding them in solitary confinement, essentially torturing to coerce a guilty plea for the sake of propaganda that serves the story of China being a “malign actor”, or whatever stupid terminology will be used. The USA is a rogue state – no respect for international law, no respect for jurisdiction, no respect for sovereignty. This is a fact recognized by the vast majority of people in the world. Your remarks are offensive – they betray a lack of respect not only to Ms. Meng but to all Chinese people, a taste for Chinese women, astrology and tiger penis “medicines” notwithstanding. Finally, Sinophobia is not “newspeak” – it is a reality, just like Russophobia.
“The government is not entitled to anyone’s money — Americans will not really be free again until the withholding tax is eliminated and the government can no longer intervene between you and your employer to take your money before you even see it …”
Yes, l have been sole proprietor of a food store my whole life and have fought against this credit and debit card electronic “vassalage”. When people use the Babylonian technotronic system to purchase even their most basic comestibles they are in effect saying to their Masters- you are indeed entitled to the fruits of my labor.
The KMT were craven collaborators – both with the Japanese and USA. Everyone knows this except fantasists who still believe that Taiwan is the “real” China. Mao is a hero to millions – how many people even remember Chiang Kai-Shek?
Keep up the good work, Charles. But I do think that Pres. Trump is still trying (in a half-hearted way, perhaps) to reduce the flood of illegal immigrants into the US.
It should be plainly obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense which side did better, because the Communists are still in power in China whereas the KMT ended up on an island, founding Taiwan, the supposedly “real China”. This despite the active support of the “victors in WWII” – the mighty warriors of the USA, still bravely fighting in Afghanistan and many other places against powerful and well-equipped armies… Apologies for the mild troll…
Loud? Can you hear me in Peking? The cowardly communists did exactly as you say, they let the brave Nationalists under Chiang fight the invaders and defend their nation while they cowered in the mountains like jackals until they could come out and drink the blood of the Chinese people. That’s nothing to brag about.
Sounds like a not-atypical “legal” means of stealing money from wealthy foreigners – who may be hiding from their home countries due for all kinds of reasons. There are many such tactics to try and inject genuine wealth into the magic bubble that is the USA – the “richest country on earth”!
According to Wikipedia, China Uncensored has been produced by New Tang Dynasty Television since 2012. New Tang Dynasty Television and the Epoch Times newspaper were both founded by Falun Gong. True or not, China Uncensored takes Falun Gong’s claims as granted, while in fact, Falun Gong is one of the most fervent and biased China-bashers.
The dam was actually built by a South Korean company. They could not even get such basic fact straight – so much for their credibility.
Reuben Kaspate’s fantasy that today’s Japan, with its dying and shrinking population, could still conceivably invade China, a nuclear power with 10 times its population and 5 times its GDP (in PPP terms), is so ludicrous, it’s simply not worth to respond.
“sounds akin to instantaneous travel/time travel and junk like that…”
Probably, there is no such thing as “space” per se, in fact the heavens are jam packed with energetic particles… (and humans being electrical) – why we couldn’t be transmogrified along these interacting pathways.
However, no “time” travel.
The day Canucks feted certified war criminal GWB and jailed the activist who tried citizen arrest on their honored guest.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article165482.html
Gambling in this country and abroad shows that it has brought nothing but poverty, crime, and corruption, demoralization of moral and ethical standards, and ultimately a lower living standard and misery for all the people.
Obviously, the people themselves give Satan’s demons the lawful right to wreak havoc in this world and hector them ‘till kingdom come- due to their covetousness and embrace of this and other sinful malinvestments.
Maybe interesting:
https://palladiummag.com/2018/11/29/a-week-in-xinjiangs-absolute-surveillance-state/
It’s rather longish, so, the gist is, say: I feel that “progs” would just love to have this system in some “deplorables” areas.
So, I took liberty to quote a bit for lazy and/or impatient. Perhaps a lot, though, so there IS a possibility that mods could cut it out. If that happens I suggest reading the source if you are interested in the topic of “surveillance state”.
The state lotteries are worse. At least many of the casino goers have some disposable income, and the odds are better. I’ve seen a lot of obviously poor people spending the family food budget on lottery tickets at seedy, run-down convenience stores.
That’s a very good point.
More generally speaking, you could also say this. A society can only thrive if people are willing to engage in a large number of positive-sum economic and social interactions with one another. Positive-sum interactions not only allow mutual enrichment, but enable societal capital to take root. In this type of positive-sum environment, it’s easy for leaders and the population to cooperate together in order to build large-scale institutions that serve the entire society. Once these institutions are established, then conditions are created under which commerce, development, and innovation can truly flourish.
However, in an ethnically fragmented society, it’s difficult for any type of positive interactions to take place across tribal lines. In such a society, there are actually incentives for one tribe to deliberately sabotage other tribes. “Beggar thy neighbor” can often make sense if your neighbor’s tribe are rivals of your tribe. Of course, when that type of cultural atmosphere exists, it’s difficult for people to cooperate together to build any type of functioning institutions.
China’s exports are roughly 7x those of India. Which would appear to be an utterly enormous gap. So if India isn’t exporting much and has a low-consumption domestic population, you have to wonder what economy actually exists.
There does appear to be rapid growth in the number of high net worth Indians, but many appear to have become wealthy by cutting their business costs through automation. Others have become wealthy by investing in real estate. There are 3-4 million IT-BPM workers in India, but that’s only 0.3% of the national population and (as you said) many do lower-level coding.
India seems like a type of society in which a small number of entrepreneur-financiers and educated professionals can flourish. These individuals are helped by their facility at mastering English, which is very important in today’s global economy. They’re also helped by their ability to access/exploit India’s enormous number of low-wage workers, which keeps their labor costs low. There seem to be additional behavioral/cultural factor (like “Tiger Mothering”) that are exceptionally helpful too. When they want to immigrate abroad, they can often tap into certain clan networks (as is the case with the H-1Bs).
The problem is that the Indian masses seem to be extremely low-performing. According to standardized test data, the Chinese seem to be outperforming the Indians by about 1.5 standard deviations. Which is absolutely mind boggling.
I think the higher level of English facility and social extraversion may give Indian elites certain advantages over Chinese elites (especially given the current dominance of the Anglo-Judeo cultural norms), but India’s peasant masses cannot compete with those of Chinese at this time. Which might be why India lags so far behind China in manufacturing (which requires a huge number of high-ability laborers), but does better in business processing and call center work (which require a small number of workers with strong English fluency and basic technical skills).
You have predicted that one day, not too long from now, the US-dominated economic-financial world order will collapse and then China will become the world’s preeminent power. At that point, I suppose not only will Western elites (and masses) be in dire straits, but so too will the elites of India and their various overseas relatives (like the H-1bs).
PFP(paid for propaganda), and off topic.
Anything else?
Yes, but…. Why will we all (including H1Bs) be in dire straits? What are your assumptions? What is the scenario?
I am about to forward your comment to as man of your age who has been running businesses in India for more than 30 years (As well as climbing Everest). I suspect he will largely agree with you as he has had some bad experiences doing business with Indians and now takes elaborate precautions. (Come to think of it I will ask a retired professor of management whose long association with India has included starting and maintaining charities relating, to my knowledge, to abandoned (“railway”) children and girls education.
A couple of speculative points.
How has India survived as something like a democracy since the turmoil of 1947 with remarkably little violence and oppression given its huge and diverse population?
How can the Greg Clark (“A Farewell to Alms”) thesis be applied to India? Only very recently would the relatively rich have ceased to have large families which had higher rates of survival to adulthood and reproduction than the poor. Now, on the obverse side, is the problem that the lower orders with low IQs and no education will be outbreeding the modern productive people. And there appears to be no remedy such as the English export of criminals and paupers described in Nancy Isenberg’s “White Trash: the 400 Year Untold Story of Class in America”. No doubt some Indians will be employed in China as its ageing problem adds to the effect of nearly 40 years of One Child Policy but that isn’t likely to solve India’s problems.
“We’re in the age of push-button, video game type weaponry. The will to fight and the quality of the soldier doesn’t matter as much as it used to when fighting was up close and personal.”
It definitely will against a peer rival in a drawn out slug-fest. Those naval ships have to be steered by someone. Ground positions have to be held by someone. Someone has to pilot planes. I think you sorely underestimate how much training and quality of personnel, including leadership, will matter in a major war against a country that can shoot down all of your satellites within minutes or hours of the opening battle, employ sophisticated jamming equipment against your communications, and sick legions of hackers against the more sophisticated weapons of your military and infrastructure of the civilian population. Up close and personal could easily make a comeback in a surprising way in a conflict over Taiwan, despite it being on the other side of the earth.
If I was in a trench, bombarded to the outhouse, I’d like a smart bastard like Ron to be my companion.
On the face of it utterly absurd but have one more try: tell us what you have in mind when you write “given the opportunity”.
Thanks for the interesting link though your interest in the matter should inspire you to explore a bit further. Passages are frequently noted as without citations and my guess would be that some young student enthusiast has taken it on himself to deal with a vast, complex and fascinating subject that – at least so far as Wikipedia is the medium – interests the family not at all. I had vaguely in mind that the Scots behind Jardine Matheson were involved with trading opium and, even if my memory has let me down, I note as relevant that the First Opium War was 1839-1842 but, according to the Wikipedia article you cite, the first Sassoon didn’t go to China until 1844. Over to you. (I can see, BTW, why you might choose to ignore the fact that the Sassoons were not Ashkenazi as some did become staunch Zionists – according to the same link).
Pics don’t lie now do they? By the way, this is exactly the kind of stuff that the demoncraps want here in the states as well
While we appreciate the Chinese for their preservation, nay imposition, of core Han monoculture, we do not want that model replicated here. Instead we want a white ethnostate with real freedom and liberty. With people who would be similar in so many ways, we believe we won’t need that kind of big brother attitude. Occasional tourists notwithstanding, every kind of based white would be welcome. By the way looking at the current demographic trends, a secession is the ONLY way at that. Every thing else is just whimsical thinking
But no collectivist non-sense like China. They’ve made tremendous, nay, yuuuggggee progress on may fronts but this is something unique to their worldview which we can do without. And with a majority white state and a wizened up citizenry, hopefully a return to the 50s USA without all the stupidity that got us here in the first place
“make more Chinese”???? How do you square that with the nearly 40 years of one child policy (which, more than incidentally, didn’t apply to the minorities to the best of my knowledge).
These aren’t foreigners, these are US citizens living abroad, the most pitiful of whom are all those ultra-liberal Canadian “accidental Americans” who, because of proximity to the US at the time of birth were born there, are marked for life as suspect Americans due to “US Indicia”.
Thanks to Fatca, anyone whose birth certificate is marred by “Country of Birth: USA” will be denied banking services across the developed world unless they can produce a CLN (Certificate of Loss of Nationality). There is now a booming business in conterfeit CLN’s. US Persons were already, starting about 2009, blacklisted from having any kind of fiduciary responsibility at non-US corporations due to the risk of all corporate bank accounts then being reportable to the IRS under Fatca.
But with Trump’s TCJA (Tax Cut and Job Act) the IRS is using its total financial power over all US persons to force foreign companies to obtain and maintain compliance and pay tribute to the US.
https://www.taxconnections.com/taxblog/americans-abroad-and-the-transition-tax-leaves-taxpayers-in-tough-situation/
As I wrote before, millions of Americans are already directly suffering from US extra-judicial persecution.
Ron Unz, ever heard of the Sino-Indian War back in 1962 that India is still super bitter about? Yes, China was far ahead of India even back then.
You’re wrong. The large scale battles involving the big Chinese cities were fought by Chiang’s army and not at all by Mao’s army. But Mao’s army did fight the Japanese on small scale in some more sparsely populated areas.
哇，DB Cooper是中国人啊
I know this really hurts for India and Indians, but haven’t you realized that even in the US, the Chinese kids beat the Indian kids by a wide margin on 100% objective olympiad math and algorithmic computing contests? Of course, those are the relative strength of the Chinese and relative weakness of the Indians. My experience has told me that Indians are actually pretty good at real software engineering even though they kind of suck at coding contests, but those are the Indians at the famous large companies, hardly a representative sample. Indians do better if not much better than Chinese in the corporate world, especially in terms of promotion to higher management, but that’s not exactly meritocratic. They have the advantage of English and being more white in personality and also looks, not to mention being on America’s side ideologically.
I’ve written more on my analysis of the cognitive/personality/achievement profile Indians here, almost exactly half a year ago: https://gmachine1729.com/2018/06/16/the-brahmins/. Note that some Indian wrote a good number of comments on it. My blog is actually quite sparse on comments; maybe some of you can help change that. I did enable Disqus on it.
You clear your mind, and then go with your gut feeling. The freest man is the one who never has to choose.
An interesting article on China
https://gwydionmadawc.com/25-world-history/traditional-china-resisted-modernisation/#_Toc411707297
I stand corrected.
Hey Sean!
Thanks, and below is a valuable Jerusalem Post article/news which stoked me to realize how for centuries Jews managed to play Empires against one another!
https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/US-Navy-may-stop-docking-in-Haifa-after-Chinese-take-over-port-574414
Back then, Japan had a big expanding population, and America closed the doors to Japanese immigration, that is not the situation now, according the Eamonn Fingleton as the result of a long standing Japanese policy to reduce their population(I have heard rumours that China had a strictly enforced one child policy). Anyway, America, the British Empire and the Dutch Empire all found it difficult to compete with Japanese exports and put up barriers to them. China was also not being penetrated enough, and other countries( especially America) wanted in on it. Japan decided that war was necessary (and now they run a trade surplus).
Long before that British merchants had went to China for its porcelain, silk, and tea especially. Britain had a trade imbalance unless China bought opium, but China closed itself off to opium, so Britain decided war was necessary.
In 2017 China accounted for 3.6% of UK exports and 7.0% of all UK imports. Japan has a trade surplus with the US, and really big one with China. What Japan does not have now is millions of landless peasants.
… oops, there it is.
Chinese and Jews swindling Malaysia;
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46590176
Yes and hopefully that grows but the way that heretic Pope Francis has made deals with the ComChi’s where the ComChi’s have too much influence and ‘editorial powers’ is not the way to go.
Z-man opined: ‘The problem is the Chinese and the Jews have two big things in common. Their love of money and their lack of Jesus.”
Hey Z!
I offer that Chairman Xi Xinping and his Politburo underlings love Trump and his Jewish associate’s money, but they take a cordial pass on Trump’s “Jesus” window-dressing act.
Now as for the Jews, they love any nation’s money which is redeemable & fills coffers!
In addition, Talmud-socialized Jews dare not lack a “Jesus,” for example Mike Pence’s & Hagee’s, which of course puts Zionist Israeli interests “first, and way above The Christ’s Beatitudes.
(zzzZigh)
I really did come in peace, Z-man, but your comment needed a little… uh, encyclical skirmish. And a happy (unoccupied) Advent to you & family!
From the horse mouth….
Dr Mahathir,
‘FUKUS are state terrorists’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/09/foreignpolicy.malaysia
Oh my,”a taste for Chinese women, astrology, and tiger penis medicines”, well old sport, guilty as charged, and “how sweet it is”. By the way, tiger penis has been over for 70 years, unless you are able to cough up $50,000. Even ” Yang Chun Yao” that fine mink/dog penis concoction is twenty years gone….have to tough it out with Kiwi red deer and arctic seal, quite good soaked five years in rice wine. Yumei is “very supportive”.
Empirically Chuck, both don’t have Jesus. Zionists and Christian ones be damned.
Check out this story.. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46590176 Chi’s and Jews working hand in hand.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. The only real holidays at this time.
Ron, you might be interested to hear that a former Harvard PhD student from China I met up with last weekend also thinks that direct US impact/influence on China’s modernization has been relatively minimal. The Soviet Union did like infinitely more there. Most of the Chinese in STEM in the boomer generation who came to the US for graduate school ended up staying and contributing almost exclusively to America. This is in stark contrast to the Chinese who studied in the USSR in the 50s, all of whom returned, not to mention that there were Soviet experts working in China in the 50s. The stuff China got from USSR was very direct and tangible, like nuclear reactor, among other things; I cannot think of anything of similar significance from America.
Your graph above starts from 1980, typical of English media. And it uses this very artificial, purely man-made GDP figure, a virtual quantity, unlike, say, the number of watts of power generated per year, a real physical quantity. American style bullshit defining everything in terms of money, with less than $2 per day poverty crap taking into account neither significant price differences nor the fact that in many places, people get many things free of charge, like education. Heck, even housing was basically provided to my grandparents in China back in the 1950s.
I recall in some other comment you wrote you’ve read like 50-60 books on China over the past 40 years. Well, if they’re almost all books written in English by Americans, then that would really only reasonably arouse suspicion. To the former theoretical physics graduate student, what you described is a scalar, not a vector. We all know what happens on a high scalar when the vector is grossly misdirected.
The narcissist PeterAUS opined: “I feel that “progs” would just love to have this system in some “deplorables” areas.”
You are too often deplorable here, & I shall say you’re very Hanoi-ing.
Fyi, the convulsive years 1970-1972, anti-war emotions ran high in both barracks & combat zones, and am curious to know if you ever heard about the therapy called “fragging” to which some arrogant & egg-head Vietnam-stationed “2nd Looie’s” were administered.
Refer to article, below? Drafted, street smart, & unhappy Grunts did not always take to being belittled by bad actors like you.
http://www.historynet.com/the-hard-truth-about-fragging.htm
The Russians wrapped up the US-Israeli trained civilian killers of Georgetown-educated and cocaine addict Shakaashvili in short order in 2008. Fairly obvious that Moscow addressed the 2008 shortcomings by the efficiency of their operations by killing off tens of thousands of the US-Saudi-Israeli Sunni mercenaries in Syria.
The US has been in Afghanistan for 17 years controlling the heroin trade, killing the rural native population by bombing them and doing nothing to provide for that country’s future prosperity.
The Iraqi military was destitute from the 8-year war with Iran. Iraq had no operational airforce; no navy; vastly depleted ranks in the army; suffered from economic sanctions, and was subjected to US air raids all through the 1990’s and early 2000’s.
Agree.
America doesn’t try to avoid conflicts . It seeks
What reason does it have other than keeping the conflicts alive in Koreas in the latest imposition of sanction on NK over news / media suppression, cyber attacks , money laundering and rights violations ?
US does those very things routinely .
Recently that snake oil salesman Scott Walker pushed and executed various provisions which were intended to curtail the agenda of the incoming democrats . Democrats were elected because of promises of changes .
Now US not that long ago toppled legal Honduran gov because that elected gov and not defeated in election , tried to push electoral reform through legallly elected
representatives .
US did same in Uruguay and tried same in Venezuela against the elected gov ,
Agree, of course.
Especially with:
And definitely with:
The last two sentences in particular.
Well, except that
Good that’s mentioned, clearly, in your comment.
I see that viewpoint as the main obstacle to the rest you’ve written. The world moved on.
But, yes, agree, it boils down to return to certain elements of USA in 50s. What elements is the question I guess.
And….hehe…the last but definitely not the least, the most important: HOW to do that?
‘Unlike robots, people can still be made by unskilled labour!‘
gawd help the murikkans…..!
P.S.
murikkans who believe in gawd should be trembling , cuz judgement day is coming soon,
they’ve a lot to answer for.
Agreed 100%. Gambling is a VICE, and it is an addictive behavior. The unconscionable policies of state governments to derive profits from these activities betrays a sinister and soulless greed festering among our state leaders. Just TRY to shut down an Indian Casino in any state, and see who comes out of the woodwork to impede your efforts. (Let’s just say those ‘Indians’ who’ll oppose your campaign ensure the food they eat is Kosher certified….)
I’ll reiterate that the liberal campaign to prevent exposure of children to Second Hand Cigarette Smoke seems to have been suspended at many casinos. Young children are well represented among the occupants of our local gambling den, and they’re immersed in those toxins.
Gee, I wonder why?…………………………………………………………………
You don’t know how Propaganda works, apparently. ANYONE, and that means you, can be convinced of the need to project military force against an enemy whose Capitol you cannot spell, but somehow they’ll now represent an existential threat against your freedom. Americans need to rid our nation and our leadership of these bellicose, globalist warmongers, who have held sway over our military and foreign policies. Our nation can ill afford to adopt such belligerent attitudes fostered by the Jewish Media against nations they designate as enemies of Israel.
heh-heh, peterAUS said: “The last two sentences in particular. Well, except that.”
Then he said, heh-heh, heh-heh, since 1950’s, heh-heh, “The world moved on.”
Heh-heh, heh-heh, then PeterAUS, heh-heh concluded: “… it boils down to return to certain elements of USA in 50s. What elements is the question I guess.”
Heh-heh, please refer to 1950’s “elements” below which became American Surgeon General, Jocelyn Elder’s standard?
(zzzZigh)
Your daily reminder that Unz endorsed this message, without elaborating on a definition of “Our Elite”syntagm.
There’s yuge difference between being a proxy and being an elite.
Like Unz doesn’t understand that there are no Elites, but Yachid/ Echad/Eyner Elit?
Totally, comrade Wrong Un Ze – not to mention that Their Elite also promised to eat your usefull brain… last.
Wrong Unz again;
There are only two megastructured geopolitical entities that are fully capable of survival under the duress of potential Big Reset of the World As We Know It;
1. USA
2. Russia.
Period.
At this point China still can not provide independently enough food, or energy resources to appease their yellow vested peasants.
Trump is in control of Chincom Soy Empire survival.
https://archive.org/details/Who-Will-Feed-China/page/n1
Interesting tidbit from China Daily:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201812/17/WS5c16dc27a3107d4c3a00115a.html
A tipping point?
That’s how you deal with terrorism, especially foreign agent-instigated terrorism.
Abbott is the governor of TX.
Sassoon’s were from what is now Iraq
This courageous woman puts to shame the castrated Texan legislature of traitors to the US Constitution and US independence: https://www.breitbart.com/border/2017/05/02/texas-governor-signs-anti-bds-bill-law/
“You clear your mind, and then go with your gut feeling. The freest man is the one who never has to choose.”
Unfortunately, it’s a little more complicated. And I am not sure how interested you are in these sorts of things.
To restate again, you would want to go for materials written by ‘lineage transmitters’ for the main sects/schools of Daoism.
The guys and gals at the White Cloud Monastery have always found a way to land themselves at the top of pile over the centuries though they are not the only sect around.
The Party recognises only 2 sects strictly speaking but there are more in practice.
Other than political conspiracy, I am also curious about what is in it for the local American courts to take such moronic action, because such irreponsible action damages the American court’s global moral standing and reputation. The highway robbery action of the local American courts virtually proves that the American courts are Kangaroo courts as in the days of stealing and robbing the lands from the First Nations of the North America.
In fact, I would like to like what is the percentage cut in those gigantic financial penalties against foreign countries and their leading corporations for the local American courts.
puts to shame
Yes — if you read the responses under the Intercept tweet, most people agree with you — Abbott’s fulsome obsequiousness to Jews and Israel is repulsive, to put it mildly; but he has a lot of contemptible/cretinous company — of course this has been the focus of my comments here: suggesting tit-for-tat does not address the core problem.
Also, as you say if you watch the short video the woman is very sympathetic.
Hey annamaria!
Am wishing the Texas Governor & Netanyahu are together (one day) & taking shelter in a neo-Alamo located within precariously occupied West Bank, Palestinian land!
Below is a VT article which I hope might be a fabrication. If not, what’s NEXT. Fyi, as a
Scranton public school bus driver, maybe I shall have to pass a Mossad background check in order to maintain employment?
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/12/17/intercept-a-texas-elementary-school-speech-pathologist-refused-to-sign-a-pro-israel-oath-now-mandatory-in-many-states-so-she-lost-her-job/
Once again, thanks for the learning opportunities, annamaria.
If China is as irresponsible as the American, and as moron as the American, WWIII would already have done all of us in, you definitely would have no change to bark like the Fido infected with the rabies virus here.
In fact, your comment is filled with bitterness, jealousy, resentment and fear of Chinese economic, commercial, military and political prowess and power. Chinese is beating the American everywhere; your outburst resembles a kid yelling I am not scared in the corner in a dark room.
You are way, way out of date. According to the World Bank (link), by 2015 the number of Chinese living on less than $2/day had fallen to 0.7 percent of the population. That is still ten million people, but the trend (it was 1.4% a year before) is that extreme poverty will be nearly zero soon.
Zero percent “cut”, Joe Wrong, this isn’t China.
That is always what the losers say: the guerrillas were such cowards. But you know what? The losers still lost.
So you define “improving Chinese living standards enormously” as “drinking the blood of the Chinese people”. No wonder the Kuomintang (KMT) lost: they were really corrupt and incompetent.
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I bet Xi has no plans to let his subordinates get into it with the US. He will stay centred, safe in the knowledge that time is on China’s side.
One explanation quickly comes to mind when New York regulators go after Deutsche Bank. Obviously we can’t have the ethics of our snow white banking center tainted by their long history of shady financial dealings.
American exceptionalism, and the naked power of certain special interest lobbies, has been unchecked for so long that robbery in plain daylight has become thinkable.
Didn’t China detaine two Canadians in retaliation against Canada detaining one Chinese? So far, the USA has not done anything that China needs to do to prove the naysayers wrong. Meanwhile China is enjoying world’s support in this Meng Wenzhou kidnapping incidence, why should China spoil the soup by attacking the USA without the American being the aggressor first? It seems you are inciting confrontation between China and the USA with insidious purpose. Anyhow if the USA does something against China like the lawless Canadian, China can retaliate by then.
By the way, India started that war, as the following book shows.
https://www.amazon.com/Indias-China-War-N-Maxwell/dp/0394470516
“India’s China War” by Nevill Maxwell.
Not necessarily. China traditionally takes the long view of things, whereas highway robbers like the US tend to be short-sighted. You are right in one thing: whoever transgresses against China will be punished in the fullness of time. But not necessarily straight off.
Wisely, Joe Wong said: “The highway robbery action of the local American courts virtually proves that the American courts are Kangaroo courts as in the days of stealing and robbing the lands…”
Awful thing, J.W., the robbers are advertised as if gallant rogues, Frank and Jesse Greenspan.
Thank you!
That is what I said in a later comment: “The KMT mostly lost, including the major cities of Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Nanjing, Wuhan; that is why they had to retreat into the deep interior of China, making Chongqing the new capital.”
The communists kept the Japanese from conquering more of China. They also drained resources from the Japanese until the invaders were utterly exhausted (“death by a thousand cuts”).
The communists did far more to beat the Japanese. The Nationalists (the KMT) were losers.
Despite the rhetoric of unfair trade balance against the USA, the fact is that Chinese uses blood, sweat, poisoning their own environment to subsidize American living standard in exchange for 4 trillion digital USD, it is a modern form colonialism exploitation regardless how Peter Navarro like to portray it.
But the USA is still not satisfied with the Chinese payout, the USA wants more, the USA military seems are in full agreement with the elite, they are enthusiastically playing their part to make Chinese yield.
No fool, you have a lot to answer for.
You don’t want to end up like Bill Maher, do you? If not , there’s still time for you, if yes, hell awaits.
Is that woman Uygur? Kyle Bass must be real scared to get a photo of real Uygur woman in China, so he posted an image of Uygur existed in his mind.
Jack Townsend’s Federal Tax Crimes and it’s archive is a valuable resource for an individual who needs or wants to understand the extraterritorial enforcement of FBAR and FATCA law by the IRS, DOJ, and US Treasury. The background is necessary to communicate with and motivate legal counsel.Yes….international tax attorney’s are very expensive.
http://federaltaxcrimes.blogspot.com/
Yes, that plus Bombay plus WW1 poetry by Siegfried Sassoon was about my base knowledge 🙂
Here are some stats for your reference about what have changed in the last 40 years in China.
1. In 1978 yearly disposible income was ¥171, it was ¥20,167 in 2017.
2. In 2017, pension covers 900 million Chinese and healthcare covers 1.3 billion Chinese.
3. Food cost was 57.5% of income in 1978, and it was 28.6% of income in 2017.
4. Bicycle was an luxury item in 1978, but in 2017, per 100 family owns 31 cars, 61 computers and 240 cellphones.
5. In 2017, Chinese made 50 billion head-trip sightseeing trips (overseas and internal).
To clarify: BDS = Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions — apparently, public employees in TX are asked to sign an oath stating they will not engage in or actively support BDS campaigns targeting Israel — in this sense it is not entirely accurate to call it a “pro-Israel oath” — still it is grossly improper.
“Normal countries like China naturally assume that other countries like the US will also behave in normal ways,”
LOL!
Writing ‘Normal countries like China’ is laughable and makes you look ridiculous.
Canada’s extradition treaty with the U.S. is pretty clear; if there’s evidence the crime one is accused of in the U.S.would constitute a crime if it were committed on Canada. Meng Wenzhou commits no crime in Canada, therefore Canadian authority cannot arrest her. Hence Canadain authority acted beyond the law by arresting Meng Wenzhou, Canadian authority committed a crime and an illegal act against their own law as well as the treaty they signed with China.
Canada is a criminal kidnapping Meng Wenzhou.
A little info about ..ahm….”re-education” system:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/28/a-summer-vacation-in-chinas-muslim-gulag/
Some quotes:
I agree, except your last statement about Trump. Trump is another puppet of the Deep state (MIC, Global money mafia, etc). He is not draining the swamp, he is the swamp as is 99% of the US Congress.
Americans are fat and ugly, they are at best of killing civilians and rake up body counts. When up close and personal, they run with tails between legs, surrending in the Phillipines, Korean War, and Vietnam war are the examples.
WORLD BANK? That’s the best you can do? That’s your best source? The usurious global money blood suckers working hand in hand with other Globalist tools like the IMF to impoverish the world?
This organization is part of the Transnational Elite. This is the network of the elites mainly based in the G7 countries, which control the world economic and political/ military institutions (WTO, IMF, World Bank, EU, European Central Bank, NATO, UN and so on), as well as the global media that set the agenda of the ‘world community’. I do not consider their “facts” very reliable, because their agenda, and I assure you it is not a good one. They are one of the drivers of NEOLIBERAL GLOBALIZATION that has gotten this world into this big mess.
Ms Meng wasn’t “kidnapped”, jackass. A US Grand Jury indicted Ms Meng. Canada has a reciprocal extradition treaty with the US. Canadian courts and Justice Ministry reviewed the indictment for conformity to Canadian law. Ms. Meng was arrested. She had a bail hearing, was granted bail. She will have an extradition hearing where she can challenge the extradition request. If extradited, she will have a bail hearing, if she has a record of fullfilling her Canadian bail conditions she will be free on bail in The United States. She will have every right of an accused, have access to top flight legal counsel to mount the most vigorous defense possible. The US must prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, and she can exhaust the appeal process. If found guilty the Chinese government can ask The President to commute her sentence or even pardon her. Joe Wrong, you talk about ” lawless Canadian”, yet China detains without charge two Canadian citizens as a goofy “retaliation”? You tidileewinks are mentally ill.
“Despite the rhetoric of unfair trade balance against the USA, the fact is that Chinese uses blood, sweat, poisoning their own environment to subsidize American living standard in exchange for 4 trillion digital USD, it is a modern form colonialism exploitation regardless how Peter Navarro like to portray it.”
Exactly! You just admitted what the totalitarian repressive Chinese regime is doing to your people in order to achieve that great “economic miracle” that China is today. Believe me, it’s the average and poor people that will pay the ultimate price of that growth. Not the Chinese elites that will be more and more isolated from the rest of the people. I am actually on the side of the average Chinese, not against them.
Bank Fraud is a crime in Canada, and you are……Joe Wrong.
I agree with you except the insults.
Here’s a good video maybe mr J WONG want to watch:
5 Times China Detained Foreign Citizens (for No Good Reason) | China Uncensored
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=em-uploademail&v=qj3i0PsNV8w
Those exploited Chinese seem to be saving a significant portion of their earnings:
https://data.oecd.org/natincome/saving-rate.htm
Their banks are consequently going to have a lot of capital to invest, and its an open question whether London and New York are going to be able to keep up in the long run and who will be colonializing whom.
China detained without charge, and still holds, two Canadian citizens “straight off”. The Chinese prevented Canadian diplomatic officials from seeing the two detained individuals for 4 days and 6 days respectively, does that constitute ” in the fullness of time”???
J. WONG, by insulting another nationality won’t make your argument more valid. It actually weakens it.
And yes, US has lost wars, but that it is mainly due to the fact that a lot of these wars were fought primarily to enrich the MIC and the powerful banking cabal at the cost of a lot of American lives and innocent civilians overseas.
Check the comments on twatter man!!! The tide IS F****** turning for the better. Most of us are effin tired of this b****** buddy. The million $ question is, when will it become (((mainstream)))?? The internet seems to be WOKE WOKE WOKE. People are hurting and tired of this.
It will likely get bloody before it gets better. Never has a rev been bloodless. The question being, who is ready to put oneself in line first. That is the biggest cliff that needs to be climbed. And sure the other side is deep and fatal, no doubt abt it. That is a sacrificial catalyst that is needed now
Canada’s extradition treaty with the U.S. is pretty clear; if there’s evidence the crime one is accused of in the U.S.would constitute a crime if it were committed on Canada. Meng Wenzhou commits no crime in Canada, therefore Canadian authority cannot arrest her. Hence Canadain authority acted beyond the law by arresting Meng Wenzhou, Canadian authority committed a crime and an illegal act against their own law as well as the treaty they signed with China.
Canada is a criminal kidnapping Meng Wenzhou.
I would like to think you are right in suggesting that Canada still has the traditional rule that a country doesn’t extradite for offences which wouldn’t be an offense prosecutable in that country AND that Canada hasn’t made it a Canadian offence to sell stuff to Iran contrary to US imposed sanctions.
This evil global mafia has been around for hundreds of years. Do not underestimate them. They play for more than one side at the same time. So far, they always win and stay on top of the food chain, because they work behind the scenes…
Would it make you feel better if they grabbed them off a plane in the Philippines for breaking Chinese law in Australia?
Astute.
You are correct with the “sacrificial catalyst”, but, I really don’t think that the time is “now”. No, not really.
Some other parameters have to line up first. They aren’t aligned, yet, IMHO. Far from it.
Thinking about that not quite sure they will be in foreseeable future.
That’s true, but China’s probably going to be a tougher nut to crack than Japan was in the late ’80s.
I think the arrest orchestrated by the court and the relevant people who take a cut of the money they squeeze out from the victim, Hauwei; the amount involved would be in the billion.
Mr. Bombastic,
Article 4 (1) of the Treaty states:
Given that the ostensible “offense” (misdirecting a bank’s understanding of a corporate relationship) took place years ago, and given the present state of relations between the US and China, there is no escaping the notion that the current request and its timing had a political dimension.
Insofar, the Canadian government had to have considered the politics of the situation. Their apparent conclusion that there was none must have itself been political as it is as plain as day that the timing of the request and the vagueness of the charges point unequivocally to a political motivator. Thus, the Canadian authorities broke the law. That they did so while she was in transit, and thus had not legally entered Canadian jurisdiction adds another political layer to her arrest. Hence, Mr. Wong’s use of the word “kidnapping”, at least rhetorically, is not entirely out of place. Your insults are.
BTW, I’ve not been able to find out which “Canadian authorities” exactly arrested her. RCMP? Immigration? Anyone out there know?
The only vast US superiority is its big mouth loose cannon, claiming credit where credit is not due. It is well know knowledge that American GIs take drugs going into battles regardless amy, air force, navy or marine. American have been in wars since WWII, they are the experts in giving what drugs to whom and under what conditions.
Canada ain’t seen nothin’ yet. When a cockroach annoys an elephant to please another elephant, it is the cockroach who suffers most. Serves it right, if you ask me.
Canada’s extradition treaty with the U.S. is pretty clear; if there’s evidence the crime one is accused of in the U.S.would constitute a crime if it were committed on Canada. Meng Wenzhou commits no crime in Canada, therefore Canadian authority cannot arrest her. Hence Canadain authority acted beyond the law by arresting Meng Wenzhou, Canadian authority committed a crime and an illegal act against their own law as well as the treaty they signed with China.
Canada is a criminal kidnapping Meng Wenzhou.
Meng Wenzhou did not commit bank fraud in Canada, you are a perjurer.
If an American soldier tests positive for an illegal drug he is immediately discharged from the service. Drug tests are random and there are no second chances. But if it makes that one room hovel and that single bowl of rice and no pretty young women around a little more bearable, I give you permission to believe it. Now go make me a phone.
Perhaps the CIA or other US security agency did the arrest, so the Canadian has to hide that in order to prevent it becoming more explosive scandle. Anyhow the whole Canadian media is working hard to white wash this kidnapping by portraying Canada is merely following rule of law and Canada is the victim of China’s bullying and wrong doing.
Meng is being held as a bargaining chip by the US Neo-liberal Globalist Mafia who want Huawei’s growing market share sabotaged, because they have nothing to offer and cannot compete on that scale. Her kidnapping by the Canadian phony human rights champions was illegal. US sanctions apply to US companies and waivers are granted for them- Halliburton comes to mind. The US has no legal jurisdiction over Chinese companies operating in Asia. You are the exceptional jackass.
The United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs agrees (link): by 2013, only 1.85% of Chinese still lived on $1.90 or less per day. That is consistent with the World Bank’s figure of 0.7% by 2015. And that means your beloved War on Want organization is probably unreliable, at least when the topic is extreme poverty in China.
Bank Fraud is not an offense of a political character. Ms Meng’s extradition hearing has not yet occurred, if she wishes to argue “political dimension” and “political motivator” she is welcome to try but it is not mentioned in Article 4 (1). Your conclusion “Thus Canadian authorities broke the law” is not supported by your argumentation. All of the airport is Canadian jurisdiction, you are confusing “jurisdiction” with the transit lounge’s status regarding immigration. Ms Meng commited Bank Fraud both “years ago” and as recently as summer of 2018 when after the Skycom scam became a news item she again lied to HSBC officials.
You cannot call government sanctioned illicit alike drug as illegal drug, taking Army Surgeon dispensed drug cannot be discharged as taking illegal drug. In addition, the military is a special case, a lot of civil laws do not apply to them particular during the combat or emergency situations. Besides a lot of US ranks and files made a lot of money on heroin trading during the Vietnam War.
HSBC transited funds between Skycom and Huawei through the United States. This puts HSBC in a position of violating sanctions on Iran due to Ms Meng’s fraudulent representations to HSBC, that is enough. It appears that equipment sold to Iran by Skycom(a Huawei cutout) was purchased by Huawei from United States companies. Both Huawei and HSBC do business in the United States. All this puts both Huawei and HSBC and therefore Ms Meng within reach of the US justice system. Ms Meng was not “kidnapped”. There is nothing illegal about her arrest, it was a extradition request reviewed by Canadian courts and Justice Ministry, she has yet to have a extradition hearing, and has several months to prepare. Perhaps you should contact her lawyer and offer the help of your mind boggling intellect.
No one is claiming she committed Bank Fraud in Canada. She was arrested because of an extradition request by The United States. She will not be extradited to The United States unless a Canadian court grants the request. A Grand Jury in The United States indicted her for Bank Fraud. Joe Wrong, you obviously do not know the meaning of “perjury” nor do you have an understanding of this case. I am convinced that, as a group, the Chinese male is mentally ill in a most pathetic way. You are all arrogant, thin skinned and prone to berserk freakouts over nothing. My last trip on the subway, four lovely Chinese girls stood in front of four Chinese guys who were sitting, alternately dozing off and looking at their cell phones, it never occurred to them to give up their seats to the girls. What the hell is wrong with you clowns?
Quite an apt analogy there, notwithstanding the fact that it might have hurt many a canucks’ feeling. Canada lost whatever little respect I had for their politicos. Trudeau is better than macron, the cheeseboy from france with a penchant for some dark (man) meat; but only by a (pubic) hair.
But we ain’t no wild (and free) elephant either. We are an old and tired circus elephant, or more like a donkey (take your pick), working under the auspices of schlomo the ringmaster; nearing the end of her pathetic and miserable life.
Don’t know what you’ll think of China as here? The resurgent Tiger?? (sorry no dragons in real life)
What do you know about Canada and it’s legal profession and judges to provide you with any basis at all for such defamatory accusations? My impression of Canadian lawyers and judges is that they deserve their high reputation for probity (even if a bit PC).
I have been following Federal Tax Crimes ever since the 2008 elections. Townsend is a talmudist, whether wittingly or unwittingly is largely irrelevant.
When (((Schulmann))), (((Lerner))) and (((Koskinen))) conspired in 2012 with Obama, Clinton and the Rino’s to deprive Ron Paul of the Republican nomination, and likely the election, I became furious with the Clinton apologist Jack Townsend and his deep-state blog. Townsend blocked dozens of my comments, even more than Ron Unz or Pat Lang have.
The entire Tea Party 501c affair where the jews running the IRS conspired not only to block all fund raising for Ron Paul, but also to dox all his supporters was where Townsend really sucked. 501c’s with “constitution” or “patriot” or “TEA party” in their title were put through IRS hell where they were forced to disclose even the content of their prayers, but still never got approved as tax-free. Jack was ecstatic.
Meanwhile, Lois Lerner was allowed to retire from the IRS with bonus after having conspired to steal the 2012 election using private and illegal gmail accounts named after her dog. This of course was the perfect foreshadowing of the Clinton scandal with her private email server pandering for payoffs to the tax free Clinton Foundation, which amazingly operates even today without ever even filing a proper 501c. Of course, Clintons private email server was in operation throughout the entire 2012 election. Jack Townsend of course never had any problem with this, his obsession was with expat “tax cheats” who had failed to disclose their already taxed local bank accounts.
Fast forward to 2018, and Jack Townsend has not strongly criticized GILTI or the Transition tax, nor raised a finger to try to get them repealed or repaired.
In my book Jack Townsend is deep state scum, just like Pat Lang.
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Trump. Finally, someone who knows the Chinese for what they are and is treating them as such. As intellectual property thieves, as pirates, as murderers.
No!
It was Zionist press that totally absolutely banned Ron Paul. They did not even mention him.
Most of the people did not even know that Ron Paul was running.
Hell most of the people did not even know who was Ron Paul.
Power of the media!
I did not mean to offend canucks, but they can’t complain, as they keep electing cucks. Trudeau’s predecessor was as much a nonentity as he is, also pathetically subservient to the dying Empire.
You are right. The tiger does not need to do anything, this old and tired elephant will die its natural death soon. Might do some damage in its death throes, though.
Speak for yourself,
Exhibit 200
The United States and its allies destroyed the system. The Sunday Herald reported that eight multipurpose dams were repeatedly bombed, smashing the infrastructure for flood control, municipal and industrial water storage, irrigation and hydroelectric power. Four of Iraq’s seven major pumping stations were destroyed, as were 31 municipal water and sewage facilities.
The result: Water-borne diseases—typhoid, dysentery, hepatitis, cholera and polio—have killed thousands of civilians in Iraq.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/080.html
You knew alright, but just dont give a damn.
Hey holy man,
Listen to gawd….
Matthew 7:5 –
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. The World English Bible translates the passage as:
You hypocrite!
Exhibit 3000
Reuters
‘Coalition forces killed hundreds of civilians in an air raid on ‘AQ stronghold’, including many women and children.’
This has been going on for decades, nobody give a fuck.
They reported this, if at all, as casually as a sport score.
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*Imagine growing up in a family where every day, father raped daughter, mother tortured son, brother abused brother, sister stole from sister and the whole family murdered neighbors, friends and passing strangers. Imagine the underlying assumptions about life that you would adopt without question in such an atmosphere, how normal the most hideous depravity would seem. If some outsider chanced to ask you about your family’s latest activities, you would spew out perversions as calmly and unthinkingly as a man giving directions to the post office.*
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/05/chris-floyd/hideous-kinky/
This is the new normal for the 5lies democrazies.
In this sense China is very abnormal and it shall proudly stay that way.
Neither does the USA. The quantity of seafood, nuts, vegetables, red meat and fruit imported is rather large. And some other food products as well.
What empire ever collapsed like that? Maybe the Indus Valley. but the complexity of the US is somewhat greater. I suppose people think that complexity makes it less robust. If we are going to think of countries as animals it does not work that complexity makes things fragile in the living world. There, complexity adds to the robustness of things and enables their democracies of DNA to keep going and at the same time change to suit new environments. China is fragile, for a while yet. America might be near to a political sea change, but it is not going to collapse.
More unverifiable ‘news’ from a fukus mouthpiece ?
Even if it turns out to be true….
How does it compare with Gitmo ?
Tip of an iceberg.
[There’r many more disgusting pics but Im worried Ron might not like too many images of this caliber and give it the chop]
Actually, I wouldnt be surprised if China has some re-education camps to de-program radicalised militants , preventing them from claiming those 72 virgins and blowing innocent bystanders to bits.
We DO know tho, murikka has its very own re-education camps , to re-program ‘AQ terrorists’ into CIA controlled death squads , right there in GITMO.
Re-education camps to save lives
vs
Re-education camps to produce death squads.
I leave it to the readers to decide who’s on the right side of history.
I can see that there’r still many whiteys with their brain intact and their hearts at the right place/
How do you white goyims manage this feat ?
45 war whores in a row over 300 years ?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/all-us-presidents-living-and-dead-are-war-criminals/5662099
Ian Fleming’s law of probability says this cant be a flute shot.
Is the whole god damned system rigged or is there something fundamentally wrong with the white goyims.
From what I gather, most likely both/
Canada’s extradition treaty with the U.S. is pretty clear; if there’s evidence the crime one is accused of in the U.S.would constitute a crime if it were committed on Canada. Meng Wenzhou commits no crime in Canada, therefore Canadian authority cannot arrest her. Hence Canadain authority acted beyond the law by arresting Meng Wenzhou, Canadian authority committed a crime and an illegal act against their own law as well as the treaty they signed with China.
Canada is a criminal kidnapping Meng Wenzhou.
It is quite disappointing that you resort to Ad Hominem fallacy to defend the indefensible. Perhaps the English is right; the North American colonials are uneducated rednecks who have no table manners, not to mention engaging in intellectual conversations.
First, you talk of democracies. Present-day US isn’t one (see Princeton study: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf).
Second, by collapse I mean that the Empire will collapse, not the country. If the US can switch from being an Empire to a normal country pursuing its interests, rather than the interests of traitorous obscenely greedy globalist elites, it won’t collapse, it will prosper as a country. However, if it persists in overextending itself and trying to bite a lot more than it can chew, the collapse would be horrible.
History will decide that. It will do so uncomfortably soon for the degenerate greedy globalist elites.
The School of the Americas (SOA) is the mother of all re-education systems in the democratic free world worldwide.
A little bit off-topic, but the so-called “Tea Party” seems to be a good example of how dissent is diverted and dispersed by clever media tactics, in this case by the Wall Street controlled CNBC. Before the “Tea Party” was announced on CNBC, people across the political spectrum were about to join hands to protest the Wall Street bailouts. The media assigned the movement to the paleocons, gave it a name and immediately started casting the usual aspersions of racism on the “Tea Party” to scare the leftists away.
I’m sure its a problem, but cheap Chinese fentanyl also cuts into the profits of whomever actually controls the old-fashioned poppy production, and their bankers.
AnonFromTN
Where’s gawd when you need him most ?
Joe Wong
They’ve changed SOA name twice already cuz that name stinks , its like putting lipsticks on a pig tho.
P.S.
Somehow there’r no reply buttons on both of your comments/
LOL! Nailed it! Although, he is probably an older variety of butthead!
I would be very careful with China Uncensored, a Falun Gong mouthpiece.
Of course not, but proving Bank Fraud requires proof of intent (mens rea). The question I haven’t been able to answer despite some searching is where the alleged “years ago” fraud took place. Did she originally lie to an HSBC official in Hong Kong, or in NY? By 2018, she had already curtailed her travels to the US.
As it is highly unlikely she signed any banking documents relating to Skycom’s financial relations with HSBC, and as whatever loans Skycom received have apparently been paid off, it would be all but impossible to prove mens rea, so the charge of Bank Fraud becomes moot. Proving fraud requires showing both an intent to injure, and an actual injured party. In the absence of both, the charges are either political, or frivolous.
The US Attorney who brought the charges against Meng (Richard Donoghue) is one of a team of five U.S. attorneys under the Justice Department’s recently announced China Initiative. The DoJ’s Initiative is itself a part of push out of John Bolton’s office that weaponizes the State, Treasury and Homeland Security Departments to demonize China generally, and harass Chinese officials and high profile individuals.
In other words, Bank Fraud may not be “political”, but the charge itself may well be. Given that the US has publicly embarked on a foreign policy that labels both China and Russia as adversaries, charging high profile individuals with crimes that cannot be proven are nothing if not political. That the Canadian justice system failed to note this in its review would appear more than an oversight.
Your ‘diagnosis’ of mental illness could be applied to most “World Leaders”. America has installed nut cases into high offices for centuries. (Since NEPOTISM seems to factor significantly in the process of certain people attaining political prominence, these conditions may have a genetic origin.) One overriding characteristic of our leaders is their being subject to influences that steer them away from the duties and limitations of their posts. Take the Iraq War. There was no reason for America to attack a sovereign country, but we did, and our military forces destroyed that nation, killing hundreds of thousands of people in the process. Afterward, our leaders confessed to a ‘mistake’ in identifying the weapons Iraq possessed and the intentions of its leaders to employ those weapons. OOOPS. Oh well, I guess we’ll label that a booboo. What is being done to foreign countries and their populations in our name reveals a growing insanity among our leaders and their advisers (Many of whom are Jewish..) Torture, Preemptive Military Actions, Nuclear Annihilation Threats, Sanctions, CIA Cloak and Dagger Operations, etc. all are the overt actions of megalomaniacs and rabid sociopaths..
The American people need to grow a spine, and stand up to these Warmongers, Globalists and Israel Sucks. The sooner we start forging our sovereignty, the sooner our country will recover from the madness of these latter-day Emperors.
We are now living in a rapidly changing world…Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times. To keep up with the times, we cannot have ourselves physically living in the 21st century, but with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality.
Western media, particular the American media, is not going help the West moving into this rapidly changing world…Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times, if they have a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality, and keep the Western masses in the dark by feeding them with fake news manufactured in according to their distorted views and mentality.
Chattering dwarfs of the Enlightenment believed, and Stephen Pinker still does, that if you could separate organised religion (aka malevolent power elites or Nietzschian self assertion) from the state, there would be no more wars. History teaches us otherwise. The French Revolution was followed by endless wars. The German principalities were ceaselessly invaded by their neighbors. The only way to live in peace was to get mean. Germany unified and like the armies of Revolutionary France their high tempo attack proved almost unbeatable. Eventually things settled down. Now China, its head full of resentment at the way it was humiliated in the last few centuries, desires to be a God-sized monster dominating the globe. It will be necessary to administer strong punitive measure to make China understand its place in the world.
A normal country pursuing its interests will be primed for offence and only stop expanding when the push back is an equal and opposite reaction. Countries sometimes act in the way you advocate but they always regret it . For instance, the USSR expanded until it got to US forces at the Elbe. When the Soviet Union abandoned its empire there was a brief time when it seemed like the old calculus of power politics no longer applied as even Ukraine was let go. But then to their horror, and despite verbal guarantees Russia insists that James Baker gave, The EU expanded right up to the borders of the USSR and Ukraine seemed about to become proposed for Nato membership. Putin was forced to unleash a horrific campaign of organised violence against the Ukraine to make nato stop–and it did. Al this would have been unnecessary; if only it was not believed that war is not best prevented by the threat of war. If you start to play nice it only ends up with you being forced to fight. But intellectuals never learn.
Let’s give the number from War on Want the benefit of the doubt. What does that really mean? It means that China still has tremendous potential for farther development.
Drug overdose deaths soared 10% in 2017 driven by fentanyl flooding the US from China
In 2017, 70,237 people died of drug overdoses in the US, a nearly 10 percent increase from 2016
How many died at Pearl Harbour? How many in West Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania, eh?
Supplant “World” with “Nations”. A border defines the limits of authority and laws. People need to get at their leaders. When the concept of “World Leaders” is introduced, you’ve taken away the means by which a given population determines their destinies. They’re now assembled under the yoke of some foreign entity they have no power to address with their concerns and petitions. Americans have been plied with this scheme for decades, with many (particularly minorities and women) eagerly surrendering their rights and sovereignty to a growing international fervor to dissolve nations, and focus authority toward global organizations. You can’t get at a Global Leader. If freedom means anything at all, you would understand that this particular benefit is wrested from people within your reach.
You don’t need to play nice. You should play dangerous. What you want to avoid it trying to gobble up more than you can digest. That’s what the US Empire is doing for the last ~30 years.
Combine it with the greed of insatiable MIC thieves clamoring for more military spending and the greed of corporations that essentially destroyed most of productive industry in the US, shifting it all to China, Mexico, and various smaller cheap labor countries, and you have a recipe for disaster. What’s more, the US imperial adventures in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, and elsewhere, along with aggressive posturing with Russia and China, neither of which the US can defeat militarily, let alone occupy, generate widespread resentment in the world. As Mexicans say, Mexico is too far from God and too close to the US. Billions of people would rejoice when the US gets its comeuppance, even though it will likely hurt them, too. I still remember virtually unanimous jubilant comments of third-worlders in the Guardian (which had a meaningful comment section back then) after Russia humiliated the US puppet Georgian “president” Saakashvili in 2008.
The US should use its strength to protect itself, not to tell other countries thousands of miles away how to live. Compared to the US, China and Russia are sane: they assertively protect their interests, but where there are none, they go by “live and let live” rule. In contrast, the US meddles in affairs that do not affect it one way or another, spewing the BS of “exceptionalism” and playing global cop, which it does not have the resources to be (hence our multi-trillion debt). This has to stop before it gets our country destroyed and all of us disemboweled or hung on lampposts.
That’s what I’m worried. The so-called affidavit could be based on some dubious “internal memo” that could have been written by anyone. After all, the U.S. expanded Vietnam War based on some false-flag operations (the Gulf of Tonkin incident), went to Iraqi War based on completely false evidences of WMD, attacked Libya based on false accusations of Libyan army atrocities, bombed Syria based on false-flag operations of gas-attacks, killed, maimed, and displaced millions of people from Southeast Asia to MENA during the process. Arresting a person on some dubious charge is probably nothing for them.
Good. The more our gene pool is culled of people who can’t function socially without chemicals coursing through their bloodstreams, the less we’ll have to deal with their behavioral and criminal activities.
Read about the “Liberal-Corporate Complex” That is all you need to know about who pulls the strings of those “Too Big to Fail” conglomerates.
Expand your “False Flag” conflict generators to each war America has been embroiled in. Remember the old saw; Fool me once, shame on you…………….
Bingo. I happen to think this is precisely the reason why China has allowed this fentanyl trade to go on.
I suspect that the memory of the Opium Wars plays a role there as well.
“If you start to play nice it only ends up with you being forced to fight. But intellectuals never learn.”
This year we learned about the failure of democracy – how the social scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos. We talked about the veterans, how they seized power and imposed the order that has lasted for generations since. … contrary to the saying that violence never solves anything, naked force has resolved more issues throughout history than any other factor. People who forget that pay every time.
—Starship Troopers
I’m surprised that you leave out the huge factor of population growth. Hitler in Mein Kampf was still assuming the old fertility rates that required lebensraum for the superior races. The main reason that Europe, China and Russia need no longer be feared is that the future of their people clearly depends on science and technology not war.
If it was only that simple. It isn’t. It’s, almost always like this:
If you start to play nice it only ends up with you being forced to fight when you are at a disadvantage.
That is the philosophy of gangsters, and I think I understand you better.
I disagree. Given a chance, most countries (and most people) would prefer to “live and let live”. They invest in defense, like locks on doors, or the Great Wall. But once they are secure, they much prefer peace. They know that to live by the sword is to die by it. So they prefer to defend and prosper. Examples: China, Switzerland, and all the countries that voluntarily joined the United Nations.
To what extent is it China that is responsible for those deaths, and to what extent is it U.S. capitalism?
Let’s follow the logic of your statement, “The Chinese regard America as being run by the Jews”.
The Chinese also run Shelly Adelson, as they demonstrated two years ago when they warned him against the scam James Packer was running–then ran James Packer out of the gambling business in China, the world’s most lucrative market.
Shelly is not only Donald Trump’s biggest funding source, he’s also Benyamin Netanyahu’s biggest funding source. He’s an ace in China’s hand and they’re certainly not going to play him for a no-account CFO, regardless of her father’s prominence.
The U.S., after its decades-long record of attempting to dominate the world, is the last country that has any right to administer a lesson to the Chinese. I’m an American, a retired naval officer, and I have to admit, we Americans had a chance, and we blew it. I say, let the Chinese have their chance, they may do a better job of it.
The School of the Americas that was in Fort Bragg calls itself the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC) now; it is in Fort Benning, Georgia, these days.
Just like Al Qaeda renaming itself (to Al Nusra and then to Hayat Tahrir al Sham) whenever the identification gets too uncomfortable.
The cockroaches prefer to hide from the light.
This is supposed to be relevant to Meng’s case? How?
The Daily Mail’s article leaves critical info to the reader’s imagination. To the critical reader, the article suggests nothing more than that the pharma – medical establishment that put fentanyl on its trajectory is jumping on the USG’s anti-China campaign to deflect blame in the hope of avoiding the coming litigation.
How much of the Defense Intelligence Agency’s “68 percent of fentanyl and precursors used to make the drug (that) originate in China” are in fact the precursors used by pharmaceutical companies to make the drug in America? In what proportion, exactly are fentanyl and its precursors “… sold either directly to the US (vs) trafficking networks set up in Mexico”.?
The Daily Mail leaves those vital numbers to the reader’s imagination. Perhaps The Daily Mail should read The Guardian. Perhaps they have.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/12/massachusetts-opioid-lawsuit-sackler-family-oxycontin
I’m reluctanct to give War on Want the benefit of the doubt. The organization is in London; as the Skripal case proves, London lies with a straight face.
Furthermore, what War on Want says is almost certainly wrong. They claim that 36% of China’s population lives on $2/day, but this is contradicted by both the United Nations and the World Bank. Also, common sense says their claim is probably nonsense. It is widely known that China is almost 60% urbanized these days; if you live in a city, there is no way to pay the rent, the monthy mortgage, or even the property tax, on only $2/day. Of the remaining 40% of the population, how likely is it that nearly all survive on $2 per day? Not likely at all.
So War on Want is either spreading propaganda, or its statistics are very out of date. Or both.
Even when extreme poverty’s gone, China’s growth potential will remain enormous anyway. To have an income of over $2/day is not exactly to be rich, of course. China’s present GDP/capita is like Mexico’s, and that means a need of much growth to reach even half of the U.S.’s average income. China could make it, as she has made appropriate investments in education, infrastructure, organization.
Funds for common services conducted in international business to non-US entities certainly do not belong to the US government: They belong to the parties who are in contract. You agree with the Imperial Project mindset that infects the US position as to its hegemonic world view: that the US State Dept. has a right to tell every one else in the world with whom it may do business. That the US granted its golden ‘waiver’ to Halliburton so that it could continue to profit from its Iran drilling contracts is enough to have the case thrown out. The world is moving on and away from the US Neo-liberal Centered Order, and it is obvious that the US globalist oligarchy does not like that.
This is the complete equation,
China uncensored = NDTV = Falun Gong
===> CIA./DIA
Told them long time back, but the white goyims sinophobes and their Indian soul mates are scrapping the barrels these days.
*Who is Col. Robert Helvey?
He was an officer of the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) of the Pentagon, who had served in Vietnam and, subsequently, as the US Defence Attache in Yangon, Myanmar, (1983 to 85) during which he clandestinely organised the Myanmarese students to work behind Aung San Suu Kyi and in collaboration with Bo Mya’s Karen insurgent group. He was subsequently based in Thailand where he organised the training of the student and Karen supporters of Aung San Suu Kyi. In 1988-89, he also trained in Hong Kong the student leaders from Beijing in mass demonstration techniques which they were to subsequently use in the Tiananmen Square incident of June,1989. He is now believed to be acting as an adviser to the Falun Gong, the religious sect of China, in similar civil disobedience techniques, which the sect is using with increasing effectiveness against the Chinese authorities. *
http://web.archive.org/web/20060718062748/http://www.iefd.org/articles/ned_an_update.php
*He has ostensibly retired from the DIA in 1991*
LIke murikka ostensibly stopped supporting HDML, ostensibly discontinuied bioweapon progrm since the 70’s
Meng was arrested in Vancouver.
China takes their jobs and then their lives. Huntington, West Virginia elected Trump, Vancouver elected a left wing government.
Sort of, because a criminal cannot go the the police. In this world there is no 911 to call for a country being taken over. Ukraine for example found that the guarantees it was given by the West were completely worthless. They were on their own.
The Swiss were not part of the world wars and Nato because they were the most notorious no quarter asked or given heavy infantry in Europe and hired themselves of as such when they ran out of enemies. Swiss men under 30 are required be military reservists and they they keep them at home. Switzerland was not a full member of the United Nations until 2002.
The groundbreaking dissidence for China was the Nanjing anti-African protests that started in December 1988.. They were paralleled by burgeoning demonstrations in other cities during the period between the Nanjing and the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, with some elements of the original protests that started in Nanjing still evident in Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, such as banners proclaiming “Stop Taking Advantage of Chinese Women”
Naked force solves problems when it is a winning force. When it is losing, it creates problems instead of solving them (let me mention the best known examples: Napoleon, Hitler).
Where did you get this interesting idea? From your “free” media, no doubt. Putin unleashed no such thing. Crimea joined Russia with no casualties, and the campaign was carefully design to produce none. The war in Donbass was initiated by Kiev that sent the army there, not by Putin, and Russia persistently refuses to take the bait and enter that war. Russia does the minimum to keep the place livable and prevent Kiev from massacring the people. The peace agreements (Minsk I, Minsk II and everything in between) were initiated by Russia and forced on Kiev, which refuses to abide by them BTW.
In essence you are right: the Russia’s hand was forced. But we can point a finger at a party responsible for the current situation, can’t we? This is not necessarily a general universal rule applicable anywhere any time. Russia didn’t start this – the West did. Perhaps, this is not the human nature as you imply but the nature of the West: aggression, robbery, subjugation, dominance, all of the above?
Book: Pawns In The Game, by WWII Canadian naval intelligence officer William Guy Carr.
Details the huge profits & rise to power of Rothschild & pals after the Charter for the Bank Of England, 1694, gave the banksters power to create money out of thin air & lend it out at interest.
This, ironically, was called The Gold Standard.
Book can be read for free at http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net
Use the search engine.
I first saw it in a youtube video. Put in search box: Retired Head Of FBI Tells All…
Ted L. Gunderson. One hour four mins.
Hitler was a problem from the beginning of his Third Reich. He was a pawn of Zionists, whose agenda to purify Europe would involve the removal of entire racial segments. Jews were among these undesirables, but what that despot failed to understand was that his role in advancing Zionism was the reason for his becoming Chancellor. Zionists were at the end of their rope after a campaign spanning years to convince their brethren to pack up and emigrate to Palestine was met with resentment and reluctance. With the unwitting aid of the Zionist dupe, much of Europe witnessed their Jewish populations abandoning their homes and businesses to seek refuge in their new Homeland. It is ironic that the very same number of Jews suffering hatred and brutality published well over a hundred times in Jewish and other newspapers (6,000,000) by Zionists trying to compel Jews to leave Europe would magically equal the death toll of the so-called “Holocaust”.
Even if ever single person killed in the Ukraine had been an unarmed ethnic Russian, Russia would still be responsible for the slaughter in Ukraine because Russia’s naivety caused the whole thing .
No, it all arated in the Bronze Age with a wolf cult in what later became the Russian heartland.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130514-dogs-sacrifice-initiation-rite-russia-archaeology-science/
Hmmm, that is an interesting issue. If Germany and Japan had not went to war with the US, been conquered, and then been pressed into service as Cold War allies in the 50s while America thought it would be exporting the products of its factories and farms forever because they were so good at everything, would Germany and Japan have their current trade surpluses?
Great book, btw. Can also get it for cheap on kindle if anyone is interested.
Impression of old white supremacy always blinded you as usual in most of your comments. Joe is making a comment far from defamatory but a highly possible fact.
If Canada judges were to be PC & truly upright professional with independent judicial system as its shameless leaders like Trudeau repeatedly lied, they will order immediate unconditional release of Meng with state compensation & apology, follow by a criminal charge on Trudeau & his gov for violating both international & Canada laws.
Here is a conscientious Toronto’s international crime lawyer written article to pry open your cemented eyes.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/canada-arrests-meng-wanzhou-cfo-of-huawei-chinas-global-cell-phone-competitor/5662253
In short, Canada judges & all its political leaders, gov, law enforcement agents are either too stupid not been able to see these basic facts, or they are political crooks without conscience to speak up.
1. US claimed of HW violating Iran sanction is itself invalid & violating international law. Only UN SC can approve any sanction. US unilateral sanction & withdrawal from JCPOA is illegal. Its domestic law has no jurisdiction on other nation.
Meng is only one of sleeping director of Skycom, which is common for most snr exec to hold multi directorship. If such arrest is justifiable, then its should be extended to every directors & executives of all corps that deal with Iran, which US has never did other than a fine penalty.
Hence its request for Meng arrest can only be purely political & in violation of a China citizen personal freedom & international rights.
2. Canada’s extradition treaty prohibited any extradition on political or personal basis.
To add insult, Trumps use it as trade bargain chip openly, embarrassing its Canadian lackeys.
3. Meng has not violated any Canada laws or under Interpol arrest warrant to be legally arrested on transit. Been not a dangerous criminal, she cannot be humiliated with handcuff & leg shackle, locked up without bail (even with China ambassador & Foreign Ministry intervention), denied initial medical access.
Such is definition of Western human rights & woman rights, without single protest from usually noisy Western Human Rights NGOs.
4. Canada has violated its international & mutual obligation towards sovereign China to protect its lawful citizen.
Does it means any country can now on start arresting American & Canadian on transit for another country extradition request?
If everyone can see such basic issues widely commented in even US msm, yet Oz Wizard & his Canadian legal trained kins are still blind to it. What a joke from down under.
I have submitted to China msm Editor to urge them propose to their central leaders like Pres Xi.
If the US corporations weren’t greedy enough to transfer most production to China, Mexico, and other cheap labor countries, Germany and Japan wouldn’t have current trade surpluses. WWII has nothing to do with it.
Around same time NYT alluded to how America was training Middle eastern how to mobilize crowds at short notice , how to spread certain and pointed information , how to reach masses and cause flash mob and simultaneously evade and avert government. US taught them how to use technology.
US was forced to back off from attempting similar strategy in Cuba.
Erebus, nothing to do with bank loans. Skycom was set up by Huawei as a cutout to receive Iranian funds to transfer to Huawei, HSBC was the conduit, and the funds went through the US to Huawei. Ms Meng originally misrepresented to HSBC that Huawei did not control Skycom. In summer 2018, a story of the scam appeared in US media, and HSBC contacted Huawei. Ms Meng met with HSBC officials and repeated her misrepresentations. This scam exposed HSBC, the injured party, to being charged with evading sanctions, the scam itself is intent to injure. Claiming Ms Meng cannot be extradited because the offense is motivated by politics therefore political amounts to “special pleading”.
Guo WenGui is a nut case, insane and vindictive. Steve Bannon and Guo Wengui formed alliance shows they are both nuts beyond repair. Those guys make the guy with little mustache in Nazi Germany look sane. CIA and NED financed tens of thousands of web sites host by dubious Chinese in the US to spew out all kind of fake news to smear China, Guo WenGui is just one of them making outrageous and ridiculers claims day in and day out non-stop. Anyhow you prove the Americans are zombies, they are unable to understand beyond the printed words due to their poor education.
Americans are ungrateful parakites. Chinese subsidize them with hundreds of billions dollars yearly of quality goods they cannot produce themselves, and China lend them trillions of dollars to keep their governments open and companies to keep the overpaid and inefficient people employed. In addition the American market is only 10% of China’s export market. Americans are free loadesr and whiners.
Joe Wrong, you are seriously confused and this is getting ridiculous. You do not understand the meaning of the first sentence in your comment. Yes, Ms Meng can be arrested on an extradition request because she is accused of Bank Fraud and Bank Fraud is an offence in Canada. Nothing to do with commiting crimes in Canada, this is about EXTRADITION, look it up before you start stupidly shooting your “Celestial” mouth off. Yeah, I’m a North American colonial uneducated redneck, but I always give up my subway seat to girls, particularly lovely Chinese girls, and they like me a lot more than “no good Chinese man”.
A great bit of insight is provided here by William Engdahl…
Unz also hints at this possibility…namely that the anti-Trump deep state, in cahoots with their fellow ‘Five Eyes’ apparatchiks in Canada, orchestrated this kidnapping in order to put a stick in the spokes of Trump’s diplomacy with China…this sounds completely plausible…
Also interesting to note is that China grabbed a Canadian sleazeball who is in fact a Soros puppet, working for the Soros-hatched International Crisis Group…which has in fact been accused [in peer reviewed literature] of ‘manufacturing crises’…
All of this seems to indicate that the Chinese have figured out from which quarter this attack has come…and it’s worth noting that the Chinese appear to have acted only AFTER looking carefully into the matter and no doubt analyzing all kinds of intel…to their vast credit, they didn’t just leap before looking…it just underlines yet again the whole different level of diplomacy on which the Chinese [and of course the Russians] operate…the US diplomacy is really nonexistent as Former British diplomat Alistair Crooke has noted…
There are two ways to look at this. China manipulates its currency down by buying US debt instead of converting the money to Yuan.
I am sorry. Apart from noting that “white supremacist” was not an expression, or even an idea, that I had come across (other than perhaps in relation to white trash of the Old South) I can’t be bothered reading or replying to this as you don’t even show a grasp of the relevant language and concepts of discourse. You may conceivably belong to some pre modern or populist way of thinking about law and it’s administration but I doubt that you would even get support from legal academics at Beijing University for your rant.
Please carefully reread the first sentence of my comment.
Your “WWll has nothing to do with it” reminded me of reading long ago the explanation by Mancur Olson of why it had a lot to do with the difference between the UK for example, tied down to low productivity by its labor unions (cp. Detroit) and Germany freed up from that by restructuring everything after WW2 – not that Hitler had fostered trade unions.
I also note the rather crude use of “greed”. If you are executives and board members committed by law and accepted business principles to providing growing profitability for your shareholders (which includes many millions indirectly through pension funds) you see yourself as doing the right thing by seeking to produce your company’s products where the costs are lowest. True they may be rewarded for doing that well in the incomes they receive but it seems inappropriate to use the pejorative word “greed” unless they are seeking to gain a benefit by doing something they should regard as morally wrong.
That is a load of irresponaible rant, the guilty party ruined the US are Americans, cream of the crop elected by the Americans to lead the nation and to act on behalf of the Americans. They are the representative samples of the Americans, and they are the American. You do not take responsiblity what you did, how can you expect the people you elected did anything differently.
Canadian law enforcement, lawyers and judges are the best of their kind in the Kangaroo court world.
Canadian is the most valuable asset the American has. Unlike the Aussie, Jap, etc. you always know where they come from miles away, Canadian has created an image of being gentle, mild manner and neutral on the international stage, but they always pretend that image first and finally come down on the American side in whatever dispute you have with the American.
That is what the world knows about Canada. Canada did not serve in UNSC for nearly 20 years tells a lot about what the world thinks about Canada.
Greed is the driving force of the market economy. If you find this word pejorative, join the communist party.
I am sure the boards of directors were doing their jobs. However, maximizing profits like there is no tomorrow is morally wrong. So, their jobs are morally wrong. Not that people running corporations ever had any morals.
Looks like you never lived in America and have no idea how the system works.
FYI, elections are a ruse for the feeble-minded. The choosing is done before the elections, so when it comes to voting, you have a choice between shit and even bigger shit. You are absolutely free to decide which shit is bigger. This is called democracy. But you always lose: both shits are selected as acceptable puppets by those who pull the strings. Welcome to the shining city on the hill!
If
and there was no default on credit advanced or other material loss suffered by HSBC, there is no Bank Fraud because there is no defrauded party. HSBC, had it been penalized for believing Ms. Meng would perhaps have a civil case against her, but lying is not a crime or the sub-Prime crisis couldn’t have occurred.
Whether there was or was not a friendly relationship between Skycom and Huawei is immaterial. It seems clear that there was insofar as they worked together to sell products in Iran and Huawei itself called the relationship “cooperative”. The question regarding lying revolves around whether that relationship technically constituted more than the legal definition of “arm’s length”. Unless the US’ definition of “arm’s length” is materially similar to BC’s, and unless she signed affidavits/covenants/attestations regarding that relationship, the entire onus would have been on HSBC to determine whether acting as a conduit was lawful. I am not aware of her having signed such documents. If she did so, she was badly advised.
Presenting a PPT to a banker, however misleading, is simply not a crime (or every CEO/CFO in Canada, if not the planet would be in jail), and in any case wouldn’t have induced HSBC’s legal compliance dept to change their mind had they otherwise concluded that the transactions violated US law. The idea that it did is simply nonsense, but that is what the US’ case seems to be based on.
Of course, she will have access to the best legal advice, and the extradition hearings are still ahead of us. I’m not a lawyer, but my guess is that they will make the case that the US’ Iran sanctions laws are themselves “of a political character”, and ipso facto that any arrest and prosecution regarding violation of said laws are necessarily also political. Not having looked into the subject, they may also argue that the Skycom-Huawei relationship met Canadian definitions of “arm’s length” and so her representations did not constitute a crime under Canadian law whether she signed any affidavits/covenants/attestations or not.
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Dr Mahathir,
‘FUKUS are state terrorists’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/09/foreignpolicy.malaysia
2011
War crimes tribunal in KL found fukus guilty as charged, crimes against humanities.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/11/30/kuala-lumpur-war-crimes-tribunal-bush-and-blair-guilty/
2013
Xi given red carpet reception in KL,
bOTH countries agreed to develope a stronger comprehensive strategic partnership
At a time when uncle sham’s repeated efforts to
collar KL into its eighteen nations alliance were snubbed, you can bet the pro-arsonists in WDC
werent amused !
This must be the last straw.
‘less than six months after xi’s party in kl, malaysia’s never ending woes started.
first came mh370, followed by mh17, then an airasia airliner clash, a helicopter which exploded in mid air. last month another mh airliner nearly bite the dust. *
Tip of an iceberg//…..
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-mystery-of-the-malaysian-airliner/#comment-1044980
Coincidences ?
Ask Ian fleming.
P.S.
Very weird,
reply buttons not responsive or totally missing.
Formatting buttons do not work,
hMMM
May be I need to restore my C drive but where’s that damned backup ?
What bullshit…
This is straight out of the Big Fat Fairytale Book of Capitalism…as if the robber barons on Wall Street give a rat’s ass about the hoi polloi and their pension funds…how many times have workers actually lived to collect on those pension funds they had been paying into for decades…?
I’d really like to see some of these statistics…because mostly these pension funds disappear into the pockets of corporate raiders that take over a company, chop it up and sell the pieces…and then stick a big fat ‘bankrupt’ sign on the door…in fact, the skilled raiders often use the money in the pension funds to leverage these kinds of takeovers in the first place…I believe these scumbags call this legalized theft ‘restructuring’…LOL
Get real…one has to assume you are posting here as an adult, but still believe in bedtime stories…?
Joe Wong 753
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Hmm
I missed Ronnie’s post.
I think Guo was featured in that CIA front China uncensored, ACCUSING MH370 WAS A CHINA FF !
GUo isnt insane, he’s simply a creep.
These shadowy billionaire fugitives running away from justice in China would sell their own mothers to stay in murikka, let alone spouting any shit suggested by their mentors.
He’s despicable alright, but those SOBs who ‘disappeared’ mh370 , then blamed it on the CCP, are the ones beyond the pale.
Bandits crying robbery,
fukus finger prints are all over the corpse.
David Baker
*Fool me once, shame on you….’
At this point, its clear that white goyims like Ronnie and his ilks who keep citing CIA front CU are NOT being fooled , they’r up to their eyeballs in the conspiracies.
Imagine,…
Even PeterAUS has the presence of mind to question the credibility of a CIA front like CU.
P,S.
Sorry for the unedited posts, but the moment I hit review, it got posted ,. !
You obviously feel comfortable with the average intellectual level of internet blogs without the need for nuanced understanding or expression. If you mean by “like there is no tomorrow” “without qualification by any other considerations or anything but the very short term” you are indulging yourself in the setting up of a straw man and ignoring the decades of discussion in and emanating from business schools (and law schools) of discussions which typically include the word “stakeholders”. Obviously there have been plenty of crooks and incompetents who have done great harm by designing, allowing, or taking unethical advantage of the wrong kind of incentives but you are a long way for making a case that the misfortunes of America’s 80 or 90 per cent are the intended or actual result of that. As I intended to point out to the blowhard FB you can’t really believe that the hundreds of thousands of people who study business courses right up to Harvard or Stanford Business Schools MBAs are inculcated in greed.
Citing business schools and their faculty and graduates in this regard is like accepting fox’s judgment in chicken coop break-in. As the saying goes, if you believe that unlimited growth is possible, you are either mad, or an economist. That summarizes the credibility of all business schools, Harvard and Stanford included, better than anything.
BTW, I don’t think that the destruction of America was the intended result of corporation’s practices, but it was the actual result. Thing is, nobody is as myopic as business “leaders”: for them long-term planning is predicting next quarter’s share price. They behave like a woman for whom overnight stay is a long-term relationship.
Even so, the American people are not an innocent 3rd party here.
I believe Mr. Wong’s point can be supported by a pretty solid argument that, taken in whole, Americans are wilfully “feeble-minded” (or disinterested) and insofar are indeed responsible both for the elites that govern with their tacit consent, and for their elites’ actions.
With >300M firearms in the country, that America’s elites continue to exhibit extraordinary complacency towards the likelihood that the feeble-mindedness will lift soon suggests strongly that it won’t.
Your reference to “unlimited growth” is a complete change of subject, irrelevant to what I wrote and without any if the necessary nuance about what it might mean in terms of GDP, use of finite resources, per capita etc.
As to the limitations of what business schools teach, as to which I suspect you have only superficial knowledge, it doesn’t justify your trying to turn the question of what they largely teach and turn out into a question of what judgments they pronounce on ethical or unethical behaviour – especially without citations.
Well, interesting as a symptom of one (or more) of the pathologies that infeat the internet swamp. In you case the choleric disappointed outsider who gets all his views aa an isolate with an electronic connection to the internet. Your second or third hand familiarity with the headline stuff about the excesses of “Wall Street” dealers and lawyers is no reason to ignore the principles and practices of millions of people who have done business courses from the humble study of little more than bookkeeping to to the top MBAs, not to mention ordinary mostly average decent people who go into business with other qualifications. True, there has been a problem for middle and working class Americans caused by corporations doing the conventional (in most cultures) cost cutting and it is easily arguable that politicians have done a poor job of looking after US citizens but if you took a calmer view you would notice that the decisions of E.g. Apple to manufacture in China, or Google to hire Indians, don’t justify a rant against “Wall Street”. There are lots of serious cases to be made about the decisions which have left the US middle class getting poorer but you haven’t got further than huffing and puffing. I am almost surprised you didn’t blame “Rothschild” – if you haven’t managed the feat of working Soros into your major explanations of the world’s troubles…
I am not going to say you are obviously and radically wrong in your assertions about Canada and it’s legal system. (It is over 20 years since I studied it on the ground). But, how do you know?
And how did those incentives, including tax incentives, to outsource America’s manufacturing base come to be included in state policy? Surely not because of any suggestions, not to speak of lobbying, by industry groups and high-profile CEOs. Nope, it was all just rank myopia & dull-wittedness on the part of policy makers in Washington. What were they thinking?
Bollocks.
As for “intended”, one could make a case that the result is more likely to be collateral damage than the target, but that the collateral damage is “actual” can hardly be argued. Depending on the count, some 20M manufacturing jobs and 10,000s of factories disappeared. I don’t know how much more “actual” one can get. That losing their livelihoods, and having their skills become valueless contributed to the 80 or 90 percent’s misfortunes is surely not contentious.
Rather, I’d think it much easier to argue that all of the consequences of the policy were gamed out in its formative stages, and economic double-think then used to mask the collateral damage. Determining what “greater good” ideology drove the policy makers to think that the inevitable collateral damage was acceptable would be the most interesting result of any discussion about the topic.
If you’re interested, see my exchange with Astuteobservor II for how economic double-think works here:
http://www.unz.com/article/how-can-western-capitalism-beat-this/?
Starting at #237.
Indeed. Yet you yourself have been criticising the people in “democracies” other than the U.S. for “electing cucks.” Well, it works the same way there – they just get to pick their poison.
No answer required – it would be BS anyway.
You’re Chinese right? You are judging from your comment history, which I’ve partially skimmed through. You are very welcome to shoot me an email at gmachine1729 at foxmail.com, I’d be happy to introduce to you some more like-minded people.
I am thinking, would some people here like to form a WeChat group where we can discuss such matters. I am quite busy and I only read and comment on here when on break from work. And it’s not all that fun or easy to read many long comments. Like, over the past week, I’ve been getting long emails from this (white) physicist and I only give him very short replies to a small subset of all he’s said. It’d be much easier to do instant messaging, where we can all respond a little at a time.
If interested, email me at gmachine1729 at foxmail.com.
Fraud is any misrepresentation leading to material damage. HSBC was exposed to charges of evading sanctions on Iran by Ms Mengs personal assurances that Huawei did not control Skycom. Those assurances were a misrepresentation of fact. HSBC was the injured party and exposure to charges of sanctions evasion was the damages(The United States is also an injured party by a different principle). You are asserting Bank Fraud is only obtaining a loan by misrepresentation, that is false. The relationship of Huawei and Skycom is not only material its essential. Huawei owned or controlled Skycom and set it up for the purpose of evading sanctions. The “onus” is not on the defrauded party to be aware they are defrauded, you position is a “peculiar doctrine”. An example of an offense of a political character would be Thailand requesting extradition for the offense of ” Insulting The King”. Nowhere are bank fraud and conspiracy to evade sanctions considered offences of a political character. Over and over you throw the same crap against the wall, none of it will ever stick. I’m done with you.
Long and excellent review by Michael Lind of Mearsheimer’s latest book December 15, 2018
You are right that by allowing the elites act in our name the way they do we are all complicit. Even though an average American voter cannot pretend to be an innocent bystander, there are different grades of guilt. An average American, who is also screwed by the globalist elites, is by far not as guilty as those elites. My concern (which I expressed somewhere on this site, maybe even on this thread) is that when the US gets its comeuppance (which is inevitable), normal Americans will be hung on lampposts next to banksters and other filth responsible for all the misery in the world the US produces.
779 bomber command [sic]
*Not kidnapping*
The kidnapper has already asked for ransom.
Trump..
‘*If I think it’s good for what will be certainly the largest trade deal ever made – which is a very important thing – what’s good for national security – I would certainly intervene’
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Hmm
Weird,
Im’ve no problem posting on other threads .
Absolutely, it’s hard to respect people mentally weak enough to be brainwashed into submission as average Americans have. And I have some suggestions to you and other Russians on here on how to be less complicit: https://gmachine1729.com/2018/12/20/an-email-i-wrote-to-a-russian-in-russia-on-my-thoughts-on-media-information-sovereignty/.
Like any fool…you assume a lot about the person you are trying to debate…my knowledge of Wall Street is a lot more direct than yours…which consists of reading glossy magazines…
In any case, I have never seen a dummy spend 200 words to say nothing…my point still stands…pension funds are depleted more often than not…and in fact are the source of financing for slice and dice corporate raiders…if you have some proof otherwise, then present it…put up or shut up…
There is no way of “Averting World Conflict with China” because China has conflicts of interest with America. A shooting war between the US and China is unlikely, while a nuclear war is just not going to happen because nuclear weapons have no military purpose–wars cannot be fought with them.
Again you prove how intellectually hobbled you are…what is taught in business schools is complete nonsense, with a value of absolute zero…it has nothing to do with any kind of science whatsoever…law does at least impart some technical knowledge…and in the ideal case would prepare the graduate to be able to navigate the procedures involved…but the ground level reality is that laws are basically pieces of paper…it all depends on how they are put into effect [or not]…the constitution says lots of nice things as does the bill of rights, but they live in glass cases…at street level there are more than 1,000 extrajudicial executions of civilians by law enforcement every year…
That is the real achievement of the USA…a fantastic chimera that lives on paper, but which is another animal altogether in practice…
“the … male is mentally ill in a most pathetic way … all arrogant, thin skinned and prone to berserk freakouts over nothing. ”
— Excellent depiction of the bombastic, badly mannered, and zionized Bombercommand.
Do you, Bombercommand, understand the idea of illegality of the economic sanctions practiced by the US against Iran (and Russia) on ziocons’ prompting?
You seem to getting a special pleasure from insisting, again and again, that ZUSA is always right whereas others (except Israel-firsters) are always wrong.
Sean: “As intellectual property thieves, as pirates, as murderers.”
— Ah, such a righteous anger! Have you heard about Madame M. Albright and Mrs. Clinton?
What about Fallujah in Iraq (a ziocon project) and the use of white phosphorus there?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255312/Birth-defects-Fallujah-rise-U-S-operation.html
http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/americas/us/war_crimes_fallujah.html
Save your righteous indignation for the mass murderers next door.
Thanks for your empathy for the suffering and destroyed drag addicts. Also, have you heard about Sackler family (of mostly Americans) and Perdue Pharma (an American company)? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/27/universities-sackler-family-purdue-pharma-oxycontin-opioids
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12775932/sackler-family-oxycontin/
https://www.newsweek.com/who-are-sacklers-how-americas-opioid-crisis-linked-ancient-egypt-relics-696120
A bit late to the party, annamaria.
As I pointed out in an earlier post, some people exist solely to mess with others, damaging their property, opposing their valid viewpoints with combative, anger inciting verbiage, infiltrating into organizations or governments to foment unrest, or topple administrations (The so-called “Deep State” is an example.) and eventually engage in military campaigns to completely wipe out a nation whose leadership does not toe a particular line. These sociopaths occupy positions within our government and military, police departments, clandestine organizations, NGOs and supposedly beneficent assemblies of specific racial, gender or other factions who campaign to better their lot, and promote “understanding”. If these people acted unilaterally upon their misanthropic urges, they would properly be described as vandals, assailants, assholes, spies and even murderers. But when they’re ‘assigned’ to perform duties by their upper-echelons to screw with or even assassinate opponents, they would be justified in conducting their chosen activities. (Watch the movie “High Anxiety”, where the muscle character who carries out killings on the order of the sanitarium head nurse and her physician accomplice exudes an orgasmic pleasure as he is unleashed to kill the main character.) The term “Live and Let Live” uttered toward these miscreants would be the equivalent of sprinkling Holy Water on a vampire.
Presumably you wouldn’t have a problem with sanctions which, like those against Saddam Hussein between the 1991 to 2003 Iraq wars, meant that hundreds of thousands of infants died for lack of medical supplies. (It was apparently not without major contribution from decisions of their tyrannical government).
I also wonder why doesn’t the American pay the Chinese RMB instead of USD to force the RMB up.
Besides American only pay USD to the Chinese for the imports they got from China, Chinese just use those USD to buy US debts directly, there is no RMB involvement, currency manipulation does not come into play, Wall St. smart guy.
I wonder what makes you think that. I don’t know a single case when sanctions were good. BTW, “bloody dictator” Saddam never voiced his approval of mass murder of children, in sharp contrast to Madeleine Albright, SecState of the “shining city on the hill”, who did just that in no uncertain terms. As far as murderous maniacs in power go (see #788 for a few examples), nobody comes close to the US, not even Israel.
Probably because American importers liked keeping the RMB undervalued as much as China did.
The RMB would rise if they converted their spare dollars to RMB, so keeping it in US dollar denominated assets keeps the RMB low. That’s a conscious decision, so in a sense it is manipulation.
Of course they could have done the same thing by buying dollar denominated assets other than US government debt. I suspect the US government pressured them to keep it in Treasuries rather than gold, real estate or corporate acquisitions, but that is another topic.
Nope, but thanks for the “compliment.”
Pre GFC, like a good IMF vassal, China issued Yuan in a prescribed ratio to the “hard currencies” it held in reserve. As the QE era got going, it abandoned its covenants and indeed printed along with the rest of the developed world’s CBs. It too used all manner of monetary legerdemain to mask the fact.
If that’s “manipulation”, there ain’t a major CB that isn’t up to its eyeballs in it.
Whatever they may feed the people, the real American complaint is not that the Chinese are manipulating the Yuan. Of course they are. It’s that they’re not allowing the Americans to manipulate it.
The Americans set the rules of the fiat currency game. Now that they find themselves losing, they want to change the rules. I doubt that they’re sufficiently careful about what they wish for. Underpinned by a massively productive economy, the PBoC enjoys more degrees of freedom than any Western oriented CB.
Good post.
I didn’t spell it out but I thought you rather glibly passed over the problem of people suffering for what their political leaders did or didn’t do when there was nothing they could have done about it so that they could in any sense be regarded as “getting what’s coming to them”. Indeed I can’t offhand think of a case where sanctions worked effectively and efficiently.
I have been looking for that exchange for a while. Your description of how manufacturing informs economic data is excellent. I have a grad degree in econ and was absolutely never exposed to this.
If you were to expand your description slightly it would make an excellent article for Unz.
I thought this thread was done, but I see lots of new comments ….
If a country can do it, I think the strategy that best combines security and avoidance of imperial exhaustion is to grow until it reaches a defensible border, then defend. That is what China did: I think most people would agree that the Himalaya Mountains to the south and the Gobi Desert to the north are good limits, and China has sensibly remained inside them for a long time. There’s no need to conquer the world.
Switzerland has done something similar.
China and Switzerland are two examples of countries that didn’t (and don’t) behave like gangsters, so I think your theory that every country would always act like Mafiosi is wrong.
Then there are all the countries that voluntarily joined the United Nations. This supports the notion that most nations would prefer not to be aggressive.
Maybe I should finally address the topic of this thread. 🙂
As I understand it, the Canadian arrest of Meng Wanzhou is breaking several international laws. Canada must be very careful about the damage it is doing to the multilateral legal framework: as a country that relies on trade and has almost zero military strength, it’s enormously dependent on the global laws. So it’s in Canada’s interest to strengthen those laws and not to flout them.
Some people may think that Canada’s interest would be better served to please its neighbor; however, if Canada helps the bully ruin all the laws, it would be completely dependent on the whims of the big guy. And that is probably not too healthy in the long run.
Thanks for your kind words. Your suggestion of an article may be attractive to UR, but I’d encourage you to write it. Someone with a grad degree in Economics can bring a lot more gravitas to the subject than I ever could.
Unfortunately, your point about having never been exposed to this is not very surprising. That in all that schooling nobody asked “Where do all these numbers come from?” speaks to how moldable people are. Even, or especially, those with an IQ high enough to bother molding.
I thought you might still have some basic intellectual ability to understand a basic legal case put up by a Canadian lawyer & China Foreign Ministry.
Look like you only have the “white supremacy” in your mother tongue to shoot from your hip freely & nothing else.
Readers here can judge for themselves by reading all your past comments.
It really upsets the world largest drug lord & producer – CIA, who boost Afgh opium production from nearly Nil under Taliban, to world No1 quickly, and cart them into US using its C130 tax free.
Concurrently, all the West pharmaceutical giants involving in lucrative opiods campaign aren’t too happy that their carefully groomed customers have a much cheaper source to replace their cute Actiq lollipop & patches.
China is too kind to agree such request to stop shipping fentanyl, consider how these Anglozionist forced Opium down Chinese throats during opium war mercilessly, and continue to inflict pains on China throughout history till now.
But according to China foreign ministry, all China major producers have negligible export of fentanyl to US. Its a fact that Mexico is the source of much of the illicit fentanyl for sale in the U.S. However, there has been one domestic fentanyl lab discovered by law enforcement, in April 2006 in Azusa, California.
May be Trumps just want to ensure American First even in Opiods, to bring all production home from Afgh & Mexico to increase farmers income & jobs, while ban China import. Then he would go nuclear by campaigning for carfentanil, around 10,000 times stronger, in his 1T nuke modernization project that produce similar result of total destruction.
Yes, Trump know through his 5Lies Prism-Echelon that afterall, Chinese still lose out to the US in apex of all IP stealing, as greatest pirates USNavy & FON, as pinnacle murderers killing tens of millions in endless wars since founded.
“We are still the Greatest, hip hip hurray!!!”
Then he screamed: ” China stole our 5G technology that we have yet to invent through our mighty Prism!”
Snowden had revealed that US hacked Huawei to steal all its IP. May be Huawei had since learned to guard its 5G IP by following French proven way to dislodge 5Lies commercial espionage: do not interact anything in electronic means until patented.
But they can know if God is true or simply a lies only after death.
If its true, he will see a Caucasian look God waiting there with open arms, herding him to the heavenly world where he will put on same white uniform, enjoy same red wines & red grapes with same old harps string music like everyone, ETERNALLY without escape.
He then decided its better to return to the world with choices then bored endlessly unable to die.
Should its a lie, then he can only head to hell without a option to claim refund of his donation.
We made our deal with the devil, but don’t deny reality. We handed it over with interest and then some. The frozen amounts were in the neighborhood of 500 million back in 1980. It was a giveaway, period. Cash. A bribe. Which came first, Uranium One or the Iranian buyout? Also, I’m sure it went to the full benefit of the Iranian people and not to offshore accounts for retired, connected Mullahs.
Nigger please. Iran is no innocent. They are the same corruptocrats as any other the world over. I admire their fortitude in Syria vs. Israel, speaking of corrupt. But the cash giveaway Obama signed off on, it was one Muslim to another. He should have plucked a little for the hostage wives that are still around, too, and didn’t. Also, I don’t remember, but I’d bet Israel was PISSED.
LOL. Not only China is make responsible for all the Holocaust.
Beside Tibet & Xinjiang, Hans will be suddenly accused as the illegal invader of all its provinces, coastal cities Beijing, Shanghai & Shenzhen that belong to Taiwanese ethnic.
USN will start conducting FON near HK, Macau & Hainan claiming they belong to UK, Portugal & Vietnam, with a kangaroo Hague Court arbitration again.
Putin will be forced to shut all its energy flowing to China, declaring China as No1 Security Threat.
All MSM first page shrieking: Chinese stole our IP again in inventing Compass, Gunpowder, Paper & Printing well before America was founded.
911 was actually China attacked, with Chinese disguised in Saudis costumes.
Suddenly China is turned to NK-style with starving dark skin men escaping to India border, having hundreds of few meters long worms weighing few kg each crawling out from their rectums.
Warning: All history & future will be rewritten for one dare to touch jyws with a 12 feet pole.
Joe Wrong AND anon[227] AND anon[257]??? A big crowd of Joe Wrongs!!!
If I knew the full facts I would probably find the possible extradition by Canada objectionable but I have no idea what you mean by your suggestion that Canada “is breaking several international laws. Strictly speaking that would probably be appropriately expressed – if true – by substituting “is not complying with international treaties it has entered into”. But is any of that true? What are Canada’s infractions?
I had the impression that Anon [257] was a fairly literate American as originally incarnated. But it seems that “not-very-bright-or-well-informed, barely-literate-in-English ethnic Chinese has taken over. We would have to find some common ground of understanding, and common language, to pursue a debate or mere conversation.
Readers who wanted to judge for themselves would have to command a lot better literacy and logic than you.
Bombercommand, a happy cheerleader for ZUSA! — An imitation of a childish manner of discussion, which “‘Bombercommand” is so fond of.
Don’t worry, there are plenty of people like OzLizard, who has 20yrs experience studying Canada judicial system, whatever international & domestic laws been violated against China citizens, it will be always justifiable under US extradition treaty & embargo law that are above all UN laws.
He will tell you Canada judges & lawyers are upright & independent to hold justice against its corrupted gov, hence nothing wrong to order Meng arrest on transit, hand & leg cuffed up with bail denied for prolong period like dangerous criminal, while awaiting its US Master order to extradict regardless of China protest.
But it will be unacceptable human rights violation if China will to arrest any 5Lies citizen operating illegally inside China. Laws are mean to protect 5Lies citizens, and to be violated against others for 5Lies’ interest.
After giving up seats, what did you a Chinese hater do to these Chinese cute girls? Your motives aren’t that simple, do you? Pretending to be a gentleman, you hope to pick one up, get a quickie, if rejected, use violent. That’s about all, as redneck like you can never hook up any white woman.
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Huawei is just the appetiser,
Here comes the main course…
Eight nations alliance 2
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-20/us-allies-reportedly-planning-unprecedented-sanctions-against-beijing-over
Iraq, Libya, Kosovo, Syria,
TAM, Tibet, Xinjiang, Huawei,…
[Just a partial list, I could’ve started with sinking
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Fool me once, …
Indeed.
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Its a 5lies family biz,
Blood is thicker than water.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/14/huaw-d14.html
Bombercommand [sic]
Are you a military buff ?
working in the MIC perhaps ?
An USAF vet ?
How many kills on your fueslage ?
http://www.homepagedaily.com/the-baby-killers/
Dollars is still the main currency for most trading, esp involving US trader. Nothing about importers wish to keep RMB low, its beyond their scope. They would also taking up unnecessary forex risk & exchange losses themselves if to buy in RMB & sell in USD back home.
China is actually keen to trade in RMB, with currency swoop program actively arrange to avoid exchange lost in conversion. When dollars has become non essential in trading, ie. de-dollarized, US surviving on free dollar printing & huge debts will collapse.
Every country needs to keep a certain percentage of reserve basket in USD/Euro/Pound/Yen/RMB per IMF, as a warranty that they could honour payment for import, crisis & act as a stabilizer for their currency against fluctuation through central bank intervention for example.
Many govs are buying US treasury, as one important financial tool, besides a mixture of gold, estates, equities, bonds, etc.
Instead of keeping the high saving in hard currency earning no interest, treasury gives a fixed return without risk as it can be converted back to USD when required for liquidity, say for intervening currency fluctuation, which China actively did recently.
China probably also doing it for other reasons, including demonstrating to the world its financial health is solidly back up with trillions of reserve & USD treasury. This helps keep RMB to a desire level without capital flight or overly speculative activities.
Hence to put it purely as China currency devaluation manipulating is far from objective. A strong stable RMB is necessary to improve its legitimacy as main trading & reserve currency.
That proved the point that you have no intellectual ability to understand basic facts for debate but only shooting from hips loudly with your inherited English literacy.
Instead of defending yourself by pointing out which legal point is flawed, you prefered to make personal attack on language & ethnic, presuming im a Chinese.
Once you even tried to discredit Godfrey Roberts with meaningless ranting when he is doing us a great favour to tell us what really happen in China & WTO.
Actually why i step in because Joe Wong was making a valid point that someone may try to benefit from suppressing HW. He never mention anything about Canada judicial system partiality, yet you stupidly jump on him because Canadian is your white kins you admire blindly.
One of them will be HW’s losing competitor Cisco which tried to close down HW by sueing it in US with untrue accusation of IP infringement years ago.
Facing closing down disaster without access of US chips like ZTE, HW CEO was courageous to spent multi millions fighting the daunting case in US complex legal system, & won the case finally to survive.
So are all those semiconductor chip providers that are seriously threaten by superior HW semiconductor capability now.
In fact, many people are replacing their US make parts with HW’s solution after Snowden exposing US Prism espionage, commercial spying, with many US companies providing backdoor or embeded spy system for CIA access, such as Intel, M/soft, Google, FB, Oracle, …there are real huge monetary interest involved to oust formidable HW out from US & all its allies markets.
This is especially so when 5G will require several times more investment than 4G, amounting to trillions. And HW is the only leading leader & equipment provider now. For Iraq billions of oil money, Bush’s Halliburton is willing to push US to slaughter million of innocents based on WMD lies, what’s more for trillions?
But i have no interest to engage you or bombercommand that foolish racist redneck in any meaningful discussion. I didn’t mean to offend you, but you had make unwarranted silly defense for obvious Canada international kidnapping crime.
USAF veteran here. Bomber Crews are a tough breed, especially the BUFF (B-52) variety. Between their 13 hour training sorties, alerts, OH GOD! Hundred ETDs, Scrambles/Flushes/Buggy Rides and their utility as a “Rent-a-Crowd” resource for base functions, these stalwart troops earn their pay.
Comment 780 has link to nice article by William Lind you may want to read. Britain and France would have been defeated by Germany in WW1 and 2 it they had not kept their Empires. Empires add resources and manpower. Empires collapse when they get into wars they cannot win and collapse from exhaustion. Except when they don’t, because their Empire is tight and big enough to defeat all challengers
Vietnam did not lead to a collapse of America’s bloc (or “Empire” as some people like to call it). If America had not fought in Vietnam, Japan might have been intimidated away form the West and fallen under the sway of China. It was fear of Chinese intervention that prevented the US winning in Vietnam. Vietnam was a proxy war against America by China and the USSR. The Soviet Union tried to detach Germany and China Japan from the American Empire or bloc. Germany and Japan get to be mercantilism powers as long as they stay firmly within the American bloc/empire.
Iran was brought into the American bloc by a coup, then the Iranian revolution removed it, starting a series of attempts to bring ME countries within the American orbit America does not like its allies trading with Iran hence America is angry at Germany for that, and for doing a deal with Russia over a massive energy pipeline. The only thing about Trump is he has been trying to get Germany to pay something for their own defence, but Germany gets a bit of a pass because it is within the US bloc. China is not, and to deter it is why the US is consolidating its Empire. There is not going to be any direct clash between China and the US, but proxy conflicts between big bullying China and its neighbors backed by the US are quite possible .
Americans have to learn that we’re hated around the world, NOT because of our freedom, but because of our slavish support of Israel, our covert intrusions into governments and other functions on foreign soil, and our manipulations of those governments. Sovereignty is not just the security of your borders and populations, it also confines the duties of our official bodies to domestic functions. Those people you’ve mentioned have fought each other since the earth’s crust cooled. We’re not going to solve their disputes, nor can we change their ideologies or eliminate their prejudices. Our country has serious social and economic issues we need to resolve. Those issues should be the sole focus of our leaders.
I believe we were intelligently created, and a growing body of research has revealed the theory of evolution as being invalid. Americans are free to express their respective faith, but until some Biblical manifestation appears, all this pageantry and ritualism is a means to regiment people to behave according to human-orchestrated protocols.
China has about $1.7 Trillion in Treasuries, way more than it needs for that, and the interest rates are not very good in comparison to what they could be making on other investments. It was part of a neo-mercantilist policy.
Of course. Tech companies like Cisco, Apple and Qualcomm have a lot of influence on US policy. Other companies like Boeing are also no doubt worried about the Made in China 2025 program.
I’m not an expert on this, but it wouldn’t be surprising if Huawei is willing to put in the same NSA backdoors, at least for certain markets, just like Google is willing to work with the Chinese government on web censoring.
Look who is conducting industrial, commercial & military espionage in global scale, even West Europe, Germany & France are systematically targeted.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage
The robber gangs of 5Lies are crying robbery even in UNZ.
Do your own homework.
However, I will discuss one point. The UN Charter (link) is as close to binding international law as it gets.
Article 2.2 obliges all members of the UN, such as Canada or the US, to follow the Charter. This is probably redundant, as what is the point of treaties if they are not obeyed? The Article makes this explicit.
Article 41: the Security Council may impose economic sanctions, et cetera.
Article 53: only the Security Council may take “enforcement actions” (which presumably include sanctions).
The UNSC has not sanctioned Iran. Thus when Meng was arrested on suspicion of violating US sanctions on Iran, the arrest was illegal under international law.
A country as weak and as reliant on trade as Canada would be ill-advised to damage the United Nations.
Spare me your services as my defence in any forum where the decision makers may be smart and honest enough to notice whether my advocate’s arguments are informed by knowledge and logic, including, relevance and attention to what I really said.
You and your fellow chauvinist ranters should have been thanking me for mildly pointing to gaps in your possibly justified arguments of US and Canadian wrongdoing. I have only expressed a view, formed mostly from long ago study (though misquoted by one foolish jackass i see as 20 years of study!) that a lot more evidence needs to be adduced to demonstrate that there is complicity by Canadian judges in whatever wrongdoing may be occurring. You make Israeli hasbara trolls look really smart.
“Do your own homework” shows you to be either unfamiliar with the norms of either juuridical or intellectual forums. Try that one in court when the presiding judge asks you for authority for your propositions! However it appears to be cover for the rather sketchy attempt you make to answer the question posed.
You and your likeminded partisans seem determined to spoil a good case by misinformed rants which contain gaps in the coherence of argument that leave you with less credit than when you started.
While your attempt to provide some fleshing out of the argument that the Canadian judiciary has been complicit in breaches of international law is more damaging to your case than supportive it raises the intriguing question whether, aping US prosecutor’s attempts at excessive extra territorial reach someone might, somewhere, try extraditing Canadian judges and prosecutors on a conspiracy to break international law charge!
My starting prejudices are all against the US inspired arrest of Huawei’s senior executive so it is a bit frustrating to find in UR so much BS about Canadian breaches of the law (i.e. legal wrongdoing which Canadian higher courts should strike down) obscuring the real facts and issues and relying, troll like on smoke screens about the Canadian legal system.
Allow me a more likely speculation. Just as people in the original Trump team have been caught committing the crime of lying to the FBI (and no problem of jurisdiction: it was in the USA by American citizens) Me Meng may have committed the offence of lying to a US incorporated bank (but maybe not when actually within US jurisdiction which leaves a big issuevopen IMO) for dishonest gain. If you are trying to beat up the side issue of Canadian lawyers’ and judge’s complicity in wrongdoing you really can’t afford to leave the impression that you don’t even know what uselessly handwaving arguments yours are.
PS Do yourself and all of us a favour and get the help of someone who has spent at least Two years successfully studying law.
Your arguments are as useless for persuasion as if you has put up a warning flag “beware prentice hasbara trolls: China divisuin””. You even lead off with an easily negated falsehood about my claiming to have “20 years experiences studying Canafian judicial system”. That is trolling of the most blatant and disrespectful character. Or are you really illiterate, stupid and careless so as to be disqualified from a serious conversation on any important issue?
Why waste your and your teadets’ time with well flagged warning falsehoods – not so much lies as blatant in-your-face BS? Nowhere does Wizard of Oz make claim to have “20 years experience studying the Canadian judicial system” as yo assert.
I just like the sound of Bombercommand, the English have a knack for that. Those men flying Sterlings and Lancasters were tough bastards, not trying to compare myself with them, but I’m a tough bastard myself and have proven it facing three guys each of them one third my age in a dark parking lot, how ’bout you denk?
Nah. The Chinese should bomb his casinos and claim it as an accident. You gotta 1up the US and Israel, its all they understand.
Vidi, fallacious argumentation. Both Article 41 and Article 42 are part of Chapter VII Actions With Respect To Acts Of Aggression. Article 42 military force, Article 41 actions short of military force to prevent a state making war against another. Article 52 and article 53 are part of Chapter VIII Regional Arrangements Relating To The Maintenance Of Peace. Article 52 recognizes regional arrangements, Article 53 states regional arrangements can act only with Security Council authorization, to prevent one state from making war against another. Both Chapter VII and Chapter VIII ONLY deal with preventing one state from making war on another, excepting self defense. United States sanctions on Iran are a response to an act of war by Iran when it seized the US Embassy and held embassy personnel hostage. Despite the hostages being released, the state of war has not been resolved by treaty. Hence, US sanctions are an act of self defense and legal under international law. Chapters VII and VIII do not apply to this situation. Iran was stupid and stepped in a pile of its own shit. This can only be resolved by a peace treaty between the US and Iran, which doesn’t seem likely.
I am not responding to your other paranoid delusions, but that doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Possibly.
America pretends to have a great concern for the small lands around China — when the U.S. Army isn’t killing hundreds of thousands of the people of these little countries.
China hasn’t done that, ever. China has refused to be a bully and a gangster like the U.S., although she’s had ample opportunity for far longer than the U.S. has existed, and will not be a bully or a gangster in the future.
If that happened recently, it would make them all around 5 yrs old. If you defend your person with the same aplomb as you defend your arguments, I can see how they would have presented a challenge.
Respectfully, Ron, while I know you like to proudly proclaim that you’ve never so much as opened an economics textbook, a basic understanding of economic history and development economics, as flawed and incomplete as those fields of study may be, would help you avoid making the kind of embarrassing, elementary errors you make in this comment.
There is simply nothing whatsoever that is unusual or mysterious about this. 40 years ago, China was a largely (80% of the population) rural, agricultural economy, far behind the global technological frontier. After Deng Xiaoping came to power, he introduced various market reforms that led to a huge increase in agricultural productivity, mass urbanization and industrialization, using technologies pioneered in other countries, and thus rapid economic growth.
This is what has happened in every single country that has undergone the industrial revolution. It is a banal and well known fact that poorer countries grow their GDPs per capita much faster than wealthier countries, as I will elaborate below. The US, England, France, Germany, Sweden, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, wherever—just look up the economic history of any wealthy country and you will find this exact same “miracle” occurring.
Some comparisons may be useful here to demonstrate your error in viewing this difference as an extremely significant and unusual fact of political economy. Russia—both under the Tsars and the Bolsheviks—had consistently extremely high rates of economic growth from, say, the 1890s to the 1970s, easily outpacing those of more developed countries like England, France, Germany and the US. Was this due—as indeed many at the time believed—to some sort of brilliant efficiency in Stalinist central planning that would lead the USSR to bury the West, as Khrushchev famously proclaimed?
Of course not, as we can see in retrospect. Russia was just picking the low-hanging fruit in terms of economic growth, through urbanization and industrialization, that other pioneering countries, like England, had identified. By the 1970s, these low-hanging fruits had been picked, and the USSR fell massively behind the more innovative US. (See: https://nintil.com/2016/03/26/the-soviet-union-gdp-growth/)
And if you think that raw economic growth rates are a hugely valuable comparison, I suggest that you keep a close eye on a country that’s soon going to be a massive player on the world stage, Ethiopia. Ethiopia’s GDP per capita has, as you claim of China’s, doubled within the past decade! Has the corrupt, decadent US managed to do that? Hmmm, why can’t our darn corrupt, idiotic American elites, in the land of post-industrial Silicon Valley figure out how to get that extremely high rate of economic growth that those barely industrial Ethiopians have? What could possibly be the solution to this mystery, if not for the total corruption and incompetence of America’s elites?
Here’s my simple solution to bring American GDP per capita growth to parity with China: Unleash the US Air Force on the major American cities and economic hubs for half a year, with the aim of maximum devastation, to bomb the US back to the Stone Age. After the bombs have stopped falling, and the US has reverted to an almost pre-industrial state, American GDP per capita growth will be extremely high, as in post-WW2 Germany and Japan, easily outpacing China’s growth. It’s a foolproof plan to raise the GDP per capita growth rate!
Very true! If only America could somehow get its productivity, and thus GDP per capita, to double every decade, which somehow other developed countries like Canada, the UK, Germany, Japan, France, Sweden, et cetera, have also mysteriously failed to do, everything would be hunky-dory. It’s too bad that the elites of every single OECD country are venal buffoons, or else they could all keep doubling their GDPs per capita every decade, like those magical Chinese elites!
Wage growth, or the lack thereof, is a complicated question, but I think one often-underappreciated aspect of the problem is that much of the increased value in the median worker’s labor created by productivity growth has been sucked up in the form of health insurance benefits by the endlessly increasing costs of the US medical system. (https://www.wsj.com/articles/mark-warshawsky-and-andrew-biggs-income-inequality-and-rising-health-care-costs-1412568847?wpisrc=nl-wonkbk&wpmm=1) I think median US workers are paid a non-trivial amount more today than their 1979 counterparts were, it’s just that a lot of that increase is in the form of more costly health insurance/care of essentially the same quality. That’s a big problem, for sure, but I think it’s fairly different from the way you (and for that matter many others) frame the issue of wage stagnation.
Two key concepts that you are missing here—what the clown Rumsfeld described in one uncharacteristically perceptive remark as “unknown unknowns”— are those of the “technological frontier” and growth on the “intensive” vs. “extensive” margin. The “technological frontier” is what a country reaches when there are no already existing productivity-increasing technologies that it can introduce, and it has to invent/wait for others to invent and then copy to grow. Growth on the “extensive” margin is growth that comes from adding more inputs, growth on the “intensive” margin comes from increase the output per input.
“Catch-up” growth, wherein a country reaches the technological frontier in terms of Total Factory Productivity, and growth on the extensive margin are much easier than growth on the technological frontier. This, not any idiosyncratic virtues or vices of American and Chinese elites, is what explains the difference in growth rates between the two economies over the past half century. Like Japanese growth before it, which was feared in the 1980s to overtake the US, Chinese growth will eventually slow to the level of other industrialized countries once it reaches the technological frontier.
China will in fact overtake America in terms of economic power, but this is because its population will continue to be ~3-4x larger than America’s for the near future, and has a comparable mean IQ. It is China’s raw numbers, not any particular brilliance of its elites, that is its greatest advantage over the US. I doubt that Chinese GDP per capita will ever be significantly greater than US GDP per capita for whites and Asians, but aggregate Chinese GDP will undoubtedly significantly surpass US GDP at some point fairly soon.
As I thought: you couldn’t refute the argument I made, referring to the UN Charter. You resorted to sophomoric insults, therefore, and some vague, unsupported allegations.
In light of your meltdown, it seems probable that Canada has probably flouted at least the UN Charter in arresting Meng Wanzhou. For a country that is as weak and as dependent on trade as Canada, weakening the UN by violating the Charter was a very bad move.
I refuted your arguement, Vidi.
No, I believe you’re mistaken. I’d already linked my 2012 print cover-story on China/America upthread but here are a few highly relevant paragraphs:
http://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/
A few dollars or a few thousands dollars given to a drug dealers also could be called into question if we could follow the money . One doesn’t need rule. Drug dealing is bad . Say that million times on TV. that yelling on FOX will make it a law and should be anticipated by the citizen.!!
Or if one wants, it can say currency of anytime will never be given by anybody to this drug dealer – anybody who deals or transacts with dollar!!
Pure baloney and illegitimate and only force will teach US a lesson.
Where?
Even if China was morally perfect in its domestic and external conduct and its respect for human rights and always had been, China is just getting too big and powerful for other countries not to worry. And lets assume China is perpetually perfect, and the US is in the hands of a malevolent elite: the Chinese leadership will know that a group of countries worried about the Dragon can be expected to coalesce into an alliance around US leadership and begin to move into a posture threatening to China. Clearly the aforementioned anxieties of China will be easily deduced by other countries and so on; this future cannot be prevented by understanding it. Hence, the Tragedy Of Great Power Politics.
You want to apply a moral test, but no country (or individual) can because we are all a product and part of the same nasty world of unpleasant consequences for those who live by absolute morality. For instance China supported the Cambodian Khmer Rouge. In that it was no different to America which supported mass slaughter in Central America.
Then they will be destroyed.
what kind of rules is this that the dollars earned by me or the citizen of China can’t be used to buy oil from Iran? in that case China has every right to force oil producing countries to accept non-dollars .and go to war over it . May be thats why China is increasing its muscle powers and America is crying.
So the laws are always as long as you can defend it with muscle. At least america has shown the path.
Oh ! -another piece of imperialist argument would be that its between Saudi and US. Sure in that case deal between NK and China or Iran and India or Taliban and Pakistan would be between them and world should shut up . I guess someone would say this are about human right and terrorism . But again I will say this words have been created and used to further the interest of one country (US ) and hurt other countries and nothing else . UN has been used as the vehicle to sanitize the base instincts.
If US can force Saudi, China can force NK and Pakistan to do certain things and NK and Iran can do same .
Have you read the actual Articles 41 and 53? Not just the chapter headings, but the actual articles?
If you had read them, you would have noticed that Article 41 says “The Security Council may … [impose] partial or complete interruption of economic relations” (i.e. sanctions).
Article 53 says “no enforcement action shall be taken under regional arrangements or by regional agencies without the authorization of the Security Council”. In other words, only the UNSC can impose sanctions.
The UNSC has required Iran to stop its alleged nuclear weapons development, but it has not forbidden countries from doing business with Iran. Thus the US’s Iranian business ban is illegal — even according to U.S. laws: the U.S. has ratified the UN Charter, which makes the Charter binding on Americans. Thus Canada’s arrest of Meng Wanzhou, on charges vaguely related to the U.S. sanctions on Iran, was also illegal.
United States sanctions on Iran are a response to an act of war by Iran when it seized the US Embassy and held embassy personnel hostage. Despite the hostages being released, the state of war has not been resolved by treaty. Hence, US sanctions are an act of self defense and legal under international law
There was Algerian agreement between the 2 countries after that incident.
America has bombed Chinese embassy, America has held foreign national hostage , America has kidnapped citizens of other countries .
America has strongarmed other countries ( india) and forced it send IAEA dossier to UN offering the same chances and operations (nuclear) that US was accusing Iran of pursuing .
First of all, Japan was (like West Germany) defeated in WW2 and military–politically castrated before accepting its status as a regional economic powerhouse ally in the United States’ bloc against the communist bloc. As such Japan was, and remains, only a semi-sovereign country, and its growth in key areas of technology could very easily be blocked at any time of the US’s choosing, and may in fact have been hurt or diverted by Reagan era policies. .
China has never been defeated by the US, Korea was at best a draw (and one that had much to do with kick starting the economic growth of Japan– and Germany) . In Vietnam, China had a hand in beating the US. Then China was the beneficiary of a US policy to foster China’s economic growth in order to counterbalance the Soviet Union, a policy that has long outlived its original purpose.
Compared to Japan, China’s greatest advantage over the US is that it can use any other advantage over-against the United State, because China is a fully independent sovereign country acting on its own account.
American elites preferred Harvard to MIT, which has many Chinese by the way.
China has may more first class research scientists and engineers attacking your “technological frontier” than America. I think one may profitably view the drag on economic growth of having to make cutting edge improvements as similar to the Earth’s gravity, inasmuch as there is an escape velocity at which one leaves it behind entirely. I think a little humility by economists about Chinese inability to attain that speed may be in order.
Anon 827
*The robber gangs of 5Lies are crying robbery even in UNZ.*
This is a classic,
Johnnie Carson, U.S. assistant secretary for African affairs,
‘. China is a “very aggressive and pernicious economic competitor with no morals.”
hehehe
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33814.htm
America unfortunately , by telling lies about China in certain areas are not telling the truths or is masking the facts and by its stupid behaviors ,is making people ignore those areas s which would prove to have extremely negative repercussions for the world.
Then they will be destroyed.-
Thats what it is. You are honest and just because thats what is required for the survival of everybody. Temporary win over the rivals or the underprivileged through power dishonesty subterfuge will bring backlash and destroy you . It has always been like this . It will always be like that.
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Not quite sure about the “Wage growth, or the lack thereof.”.
For me, it simply feels as s good old class war. There IS enough money coming “in”. The only, and very simple thing is who gets what.
For a “deporable” of sort as I am it’s really that simple.
I know that …ahm….experts….can ….haha…explain…whatever the fuck they want. I do the same trick when want within my own areas of expertise. Still, there is that nagging common sense and gut feeling that all that explanation is simple bullshit. A car salesman pitch, actually.
It’s the old same story since, I guess, clan society with a magi. He explains quite well why he has to have a decent hut, meals, clothing etc. while not actually running after that buffalo. Or, more importantly, away from that bear.
Same shit and people do see that.
It’s so simple: opulence for me and”austerity” for you. Eternal con.
There is eternal fix, too.
Noblesse oblige
Failing that, shooting, sooner or later.
You seem to be unembarrassable. Your wilful ignorance of what it takes to mount a legal argument goes beyond chutzpah. Now you have got to the schoolchild’s spluttering stage with “it seems probable that Canada has probably….”. And what is “flouting the UN Charter” in legal terms – since you seem to think there is a legal point to be made? Do you see a judicable issue for a court such as the International Court – or any court?
I think it’s time for Godfree Roberts to point out how perfectly Mao had positioned China for takeoff by the time of his death.
It would be an interesting addition to your comparisons if you were to estimate the effect on China’s 40 year economic stats of immigration to China of poor subcontinentals at a rate comparable to that of unskilled immigration to the US.
Add in a comparison of the comparative waste, not only on health care, as suggested by Anonymous, but on war and other military waste and you might explain more than the “techological frontier” does.
Asians are more academically inclined than Americans, particularly in today’s ‘enlightened’ climate. American students are pushed through schools to bolster the notion that they’re prepared for modern social and technological environments. Our students are inferior to those of Asian or other countries because they’re not taught fundamentals. Kids today are indoctrinated on “Tolerance”, “Equality”, the “Holocaust” (Debunked) and the benefits of socialism. Yes, little 8 year old children are capable of texting their BFFs with aplomb, but they can’t find many nations on a map, nor can supposedly educated high school graduates respond correctly to simple questions about pertinent history, political structures or other subjects one would think they were supposed to learn about. The old saw about not learning from history condemning people to repeat it defines our educational institutions. At least in those nations which emphasize such topics in their school curriculum, their younger citizens know what occurred before they entered the picture.
Not if the little countries remember what the U.S. has done. If they forget, China will remind them. China has a long, long memory.
The small countries will remember that China has not slaughtered hundreds of thousands or millions of their citizens, not in well over a thousand years. The countries will remember that the U.S. (and the West in general) has done it at least three times in less than a century.
The small countries will remember that they were peaceful and prosperous when China was strong, and they suffered greatly when the Middle Kingdom was weak. They will not oppose the rise of China.
Only In your paranoid delusions.
Only if the whole world is destroyed in WW III.
The U.S. itself may sanction Iran, but the Yanks can’t make other countries do so. Only the Security Council can do that.
The UNSC has not forbidden other countries from doing business with Iran. (This is obviously true when you remember that China and Russia both have vetos.) Therefore, Huawei and Skycom have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the United Nations. Therefore, Canada’s arrest of Meng Wanzhou was illegal.
I don’t think many Westerners have any ideal of the level of commitment to study that upper middle class Chinese in China demand and get from their children. There was a BBC documentary about boarding kindergartens, in which little Chinese kids of the elite were sent to aver at on weekdays to have lessons all day long. An Austrian woman employed there was appalled to discover the small children (some only 5 years’ old) were still being taught English at 9pm. When you add the fact that there are a lot of them, and they are good at cooperating …
Very few nations in the world are governed properly. The U.S. had a fighting chance to install the type of leadership that would be concerned about and promote the welfare of the citizenry, but liberals have invaded our halls of power, the media, courts , schools and even our armed forces, campaigning to make everyone “Equal” instead of creating an economic system and educational institutions to provide opportunities for people to forge their own well being and security. Liberals even want our weapons, which are guaranteed to American citizens by our Constitution. Now we jump for joy when the Puffy Lips throw us a bone, like tax rate reductions, or bigger Social Security checks. Americans have lost sight of what a Constitutional Republic entails. Why should we be fretting about China, Israel, Yemen,, etc? Our nation is quite capable of self-sufficiency and economic vitality. Let’s see if Trump sticks to his campaign promise to restore those beneficial elements of prudent government functions.
The Algeria Agreement was an Executive Accord, not a peace treaty. The Agreement was ransom, in the form of unfreezing Iranian assets. Sanctions relief in the Agreement only applied to sanctions imposed between the date the hostages were taken and the date the agreement went into effect, it said nothing about reimposing sanctions.
Yes I have read Article 41 and 53, but it seems you have not. Article 53 nowhere states that “only the UNSC can impose sanctions”, or that states are forbidden to impose sanctions on other states, that is simply not in the text, or implied by the text. The United Nations was founded to prevent what happened in WWII, when Germany and Japan invaded other states, dissolved borders and rearranged territory arbitrarily and without the consent of the inhabitants. ” Uniting For Peace” was the doctrine, if one nation invaded another, all other nations, acting through the Security Council would take measures, up to and including military force, to put a stop to the nonsense. Chapter VII, of which Article 41 is a part, authorizes this power, Actions With Respect To Acts Of Aggression. Chapter VIII Regional Arrangements Respecting The Maintenance Of Peace ONLY says the UN recognizes the Regional Arrangements, with Article 53 stating they cannot act unilaterally. Chapter VII and VIII, and the articles therein, ONLY address preventing one state from invading another, excepting self defense. The 1950 UNSC Resolution respecting South Korea is a classic example, and that could have been prevented by the Soviet Union’s veto, but the dumbasses were not present. The United Nations is all about respecting national sovereignty, not ruling over nations. Nations are not always friendly toward on another, and can take whatever actions they want, short of invading them and absorbing them, and that includes sanctions.
I don’t know why US is pussyfooting with Iran. Sooner or later they will have to deal with Iran militarily, but I suspect that US might be wary of military confrontation with Iran because they might be afraid that Iran might have resurrected the legendary immortals – an elite fighting force from ancient times.
Then again, if anybody is perfectly positioned to deal with the immortals – it should be US. All the US has to do is send a contingent of immorals – consisting of LGBT soldiers – against the immortals and Iran has no chance. That way, instead the conflict erupting into an orgy of violence – it might just degenerate into a more classical orgy. The winner will be declared by a team of medical doctors based on which side contracted fewer venereal diseases.
Keep on making up as you go. Is there a war treaty ( you would come up with that concept on your own but I helped a bit to reach there fast ) between the country ? Is there a congressional authorization for war against Iran ? So let me you tell something – in 2006 when Bush was trying to get US ready to attack Iran, Democrats started arguing that congress had to authorize the war .
Your argument has no validity America has no right to force other countries to respect US sanction.
MIght is right . That concept will hit America one day badly .
“United States sanctions on Iran are a response to an act of war by Iran when it seized the US Embassy and held embassy personnel hostage. Despite the hostages being released, the state of war has not been resolved by treaty. Hence, US sanctions are an act of self defense and legal under international law” Bombercommand.
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There was Algerian agreement between the 2 countries after that incident.
America has bombed Chinese embassy, America has held foreign national hostage , America has kidnapped citizens of other countries .
America has strongarmed other countries ( india) and forced it send IAEA dossier to UN offering the same chances and operations (nuclear) that US was accusing Iran of pursuing -anon.
sorry for mixing together
Algiers Accords
Among its chief provisions are:[2]
1. The US would not intervene politically or militarily in Iranian internal affairs;
2. The US would remove a freeze on Iranian assets and trade sanctions on Iran;
3. Both countries would end litigation between their respective governments and citizens, referring them instead to international arbitration, namely to the Iran–United States Claims Tribunal, created as a result of the agreement;
4. The US would ensure that US court decisions regarding the transfer of any property of the former Shah would be independent from “sovereign immunity principles” and would be enforced;
5. Iranian debts to US institutions would be paid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_Accords
There is a reason US has been painted by Russia to be an untrustworthy member of the nation. Thanks to the foreign money and foreign pressure presenting as domestic money and domestic pressure .
I live in Singapore. This island relies on its reputation as an international business and finance hub too much to risk being seen as an instrument of China. While I agree with the sentiment and intentions of your suggested actions, I am afraid it wont have much effect in Singapore.
But what you have written about the casinos in Macau is viable. Although the Chinese government has to be mindful enough to maintain its hands off approach to the separate jurisdictions of Macau and Hongkong, both for international business confidence and internal popular opinion. Its actions would be limited to such as preventing Chinese citizens from entering Macau, but never to seize a Macau casino.
That’s a long-winded way of saying that China’s growth curve is simply a (perhaps) outstanding example of a well known phenomena. The steepest parts of the curve lie near the bottom.
I’ve long thought that luck had much to do with it. The fact that China embarked on its modernization/development drive just as the developed world was entering the shallow approaches to the apex of their’s was the “magic” behind China’s extraordinary rise. Timing is everything, or maybe ya gotta be good to be lucky.
The developed world’s capital, having reached the point of diminishing returns in the West, piled headlong into China who was where the West was almost a century before. So, in addition to the steep development curve that we typically see with newly industrializing countries, China got shots of steroids from both the West’s experience and capital needed to launch development.
As for the “brilliance” of China’s elites, they have managed a multi-decade >10%/ann growth rate without the whole thing spinning out of control. It’s easy to forget that the West’s industrialization took place at the cost of great social upheaval and real hardship, which contributed in no small part to the great European wars of the 20th century. China’s rise, at least since Mao, has in the main been both orderly and even cheerful. If that ain’t brilliant, I’m hard pressed to think what is.
Looking forward, we see that Chinese elites are ahead of us there too. The New Silk Roads are all about creating spaces for Chinese capital to go as the developmental growth in the heartland tapers towards steady state. Yes, Chinese capital will get a win out of it, but so will the countries that go along for the ride.
Iran left the American bloc, Saudi Arabia did not. Iran is never going to be left in peace by America, which has reasons to harass and impoverish Iran that have nothing to do with Israel.
The US has allies, and those allies get good treatment in return for being attentive to the US and compromising their own interests when the US asks them to. Russia, China and Iran are all pursuing their own interests, and the US is under no obligation to treat them as if they were friends. Iran is a friend that turned into an enemy; what did they expect?
Ok, so I only read a few paragraphs, and already, I feel compelled to say (focusing on only first few paragraphs)
1. ” and the looming danger of a direct worldwide clash with China is one of them.”
Some might argue a war is inevitable this century, regardless. I know many don’t buy this argument, but there is historical precedent for major conflict every century or so. Along with many other theories that hint this way.
2. “almost a declaration of war on China’s business class”
It’s not almost a declaration, it is a declaration. China is an economic nationalist economy. US over past 2 years has been shifting to be increasingly an economic nationalist economy. This isn’t the only story (CFO arrest), there are dozens more examples over the past 2 years of this. The US has listed China as a strategic competitor and is very transparently gearing up for ‘great power competition’ remember, in all spheres.
This article in full is also all over the place. Meng is not related to Iran. Some Donor isn’t controlling the US intelligence and legal / judicial system etc, telling judges to arrest China business CEO’s because of Iran.
I’ve translated (most of) this piece of Ron Unz to Chinese. The translation with English Chinese side by side per paragraph can be viewed at https://gmachine1729.com/2018/12/23/%e5%91%a8%e6%9c%ab%e8%bf%87%e5%be%97%e8%bf%98%e7%9b%b8%e5%bd%93%e5%85%85%e5%ae%9e%ef%bc%8c%e5%81%9a%e4%ba%86%e4%ba%9b%e7%bf%bb%e8%af%91%e5%92%8c%e4%b8%9a%e4%bd%99%e7%9a%84%e7%bc%96%e7%a8%8b/.
In that blog post, I also wrote how after I translated, I looked up Adelson on Baidu only to find that somebody else had already translated it and posted it on a major Chinese internet forum (linked in the blog post). I also wrote about my experience updating a Chrome extension I had published to support the Chinese language (by implementing internationalization) and uploading the updated version onto Chrome Webstore across the Great Firewall of China.
The Chinese government has been certainly quite smart to block Google, Facebook, and YouTube. Quora and Reddit as of August of 2018 entered that category too. Yes, I suggested that Russia doesn’t have its own YouTube (as far as I know) much because Putin et al are not hardline enough to simply shut out those US internet media sites.
Understanding the United Nations Charter takes some effort. I do not pretend to know it all. But I am not surprised that you began attacking it before attaining even minimal comprehension.
Article 53, however, does say “no enforcement action shall be taken under regional arrangements or by regional agencies without the authorization of the Security Council”.
The Charter does not explicitly say what “enforcement action” is; the definition is implicit. As Oxford University Press (link) says, an “enforcement action” in the Charter is “Any action, authorized by the United Nations Security Council, to enforce collective security under Chapter VII (i.e. Articles 39–51) of the UN Charter.”
One of the articles in Chapter VII, Article 41, says “The Security Council may decide [to impose] complete or partial interruption of economic relations”, i.e. the UNSC can impose what we call “sanctions” these days.
Hence Article 53 mandates that only the Security Council can impose sanctions.
States cannot take unilateral enforcement actions.
Only the UNSC has the power to impose a world-wide sanction on Iran. The UNSC has not done so. Canada and the US have both ratified the UN Charter, so it is legally binding on both countries. Thus the US attempt to impose unilaterally a world-wide ban on doing certain kinds of business with Iran is illegal. Thus Canada’s arrest of Meng Wanzhou, on charges related to such business, is also illegal.
Naw, just seize ’em for money laundering (not difficult to prove) and sell ’em off to a Chinese SOE specially created for the purpose. Then encourage wealthy Chinese to go there. You won’t hear anything but hurrahs out of Macau, and the Chinese govt wins back some of the money that was mostly stolen from other SOEs over the years. Win – win.
The downside of Ron’s strategy is that this game ends when neither side has any assets left on the other’s territory. Who wins that game is not easy to know at this point, but I wouldn’t be too sure that it’s China.
Sixth-largest American drug firm sent more than 3 MILLION opioid prescriptions to West Virginia town with population of just 400 in 10 months
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6517553/American-drug-firm-sent-3-MILLION-opioids-West-Virginia-town-just-10-months.html
Who needs enemies with friends like these..?
Here is the dilemma of the justice equality and top some extent morality based UN. UN has been abused by US to pursue its interest . USA can do what ever it likes but it can’t hide behind the justice and morality in pursuit of its self interest, that is the problem. USA can bribe some countries any country but don’t do it in the temple ( UN) and don’t then use the morality argument to hurt another country or attack another country.
“….to enforce collective security….”(from your Oxford University Press link), carefully reread my comment in light of that phrase. The 1950 UNSC Resolution on Korea is a textbook example. I’m done with you.
I am assuming by “war treaty” you mean Declaration of War on the part of The United States. Uneccesary because Iran committed an act of war against the US by seizing its embassy and holding embassy staff hostage, that state of war has yet to be resolved by a peace treaty. President Carter used the Hostage Act to negotiate the Algiers Accord, it was simply a ransom deal, not a peace treaty. Regarding your other murky, confused attempt at making a point. In the past only Congress could declare war. Declarations of War appear to be passe, China invaded Vietnam without one, the Brits with the Falklands mess etc. The War Powers Act was Congress regaining some control, as they must fund wars, and once the President acts its difficult to turn off the tap. Hence the Congressional Authorization. To recap, currently there is a state of war between Iran and The United States initiated by Iran with the Embassy seizure, currently unresolved by treaty. Sanctions on Iran are a self defense action by the US. Iran stepped in a pile of its own shit and is paying the price.
The text reads, sanctions imposed on Iran by the US between the hostage seizure and the date of the accord. Says nothing about reimposing sanctions after that date. As Iran committed an act of war against the US unresolved by treaty, sanctions are self defense by the US. Note, the Algiers Accords are a ransom settlement not a peace treaty.
When the U.S. unilaterally tries to impose on the whole world an economic sanction against Iran, that attempt affects the world’s collective security. And it is illegal, as only the Security Council can do that. Accordingly, Canada’s arrest of Meng Wanzhou is also illegal.
“Note, the Algiers Accords are a ransom settlement not a peace treaty”
A lot of treaties are “ransom” – Saddam acquiesce to US mediated UN demands are also ransom . JCOPA is also ransom .
Any treaty entered under duress or force is ransom .
US is imposing sanction to influence Iranian behaviors , irrespective of the agreement ( which is valid agreement and you can’t simply renege ) any attempt to influence political behavior of another country by force is terrorism .
But it has no right to use UN to force other countries impose sanction against their interest but US does because some God gave it that veto right . US has no right to sanction another country when that country doesn’t follow US imposed sanction not supported by UN /.
Keeping up with the Mao’ses is an exercise in futility. Leave those countries to their own devices, and concentrate on our OWN U.S. economic growth, re-industrialization, sovereignty and self-sufficiency. Our leaders trying to one-up foreign countries with their Globalist shenanigans foment conflicts and destabilize international relations. Americans should not give a fat rat’s butt about the activities of other nations. Let them or the U.N. settle their disputes.
The West’s propaganda against the Soviet Union during the Cold War was absolutely relentless. They are now trying to do the same thing to China. While Russia has not learned their lessons, I guess China has learned a thing or two.
I’ve often used Baidu and Chrome translate to find and read Chinese internet forums on various topics, and highly recommend it if you want to get a feel for what is being openly discussed there.
A lot of the posters seem very aware of HBD issues and nuances of Western politics.
America has the technology in place to develop renewable energy resources capable of supplying all of our industrial, transportation and domestic needs. The sooner we get our butts OUT of the Middle East, the sooner our country will realize the benefits of self-sufficiency and sovereignty. We should not have to send our leaders or company heads hat-in-hand to foreign countries to obtain staple goods, raw materials, labor or energy supplies.
Source?
Russia pulled back into Russia preper and they found the places they left did not stay neutral, but became aligned with a rival block. If America were to pull back into the territory of the USA, as so many people here semm to want , it would find the same thing happening to it as happened to Russia. Yeltsin was an alcoholic semi foreign puppet, what would be Trumps excuse? Fortunately Russia is now irrelevant and the US is slowly pivoting away from defending merchatilist defence freerider Germany to put resources in the East to contain China. The way to prevent war is for everyone (both sides) to confront each other, not to give an inch, and keep up the mutual pressure. An equal and opposite reaction will result in deadlock: overall stability.
The fastest way to start a shooting war if not WW3 would be for the US to become conciliatory to China, because it would create a fluid unpredictable situation and draw China into aggressive moves. As with the West in Ukraine being drawn into the vacuum that Russia so foolishly created.
Russians, unlike some other nations we know, have learned their lessons now: after the catastrophe of the 1990-s most see anything coming from the West as either a lie, or a trick.
“Source”? ‘Ever hear of Nuclear Energy, Bio Diesel, Clean Coal, Domestic Oil Reserves, Electric/Hybrid Vehicles, Hydrogen Fuel, Natural Gas Heating/Auto Fuel, Solar/Wind Energy, Geothermal Energy, Hydroelectric Power Plants, etc? These technologies can combine with technologies being developed by scientists and inventors to refine U.S. domestically available natural resources to produce energy.
Im not from China or some communist country to defend China here, myself once was your coutry folk that you tried to attack as illiterate here. But im multilingual in several languages, good enough to conduct multimillion global deal & complex IP legal contracts negotiation.
But your ranting is always hollow & distorted, like bombercommand. Its worst than troll who will usually avoid attack factual comments loosely. You even attempt to challenge others like Godfrey, Vidi too, who is far beyond your intellectual ability & knowledge, if you do have any.
Continue to enjoy your hip shooting, my Oz pal. I will leave you in peace to waste away your little leftover life arguing in UNZ instead of trying to learn from others who know better from experience, not your Wapo reading.
I see.
Wouldn’t have replied but just to admit making a mistake. Taking you seriously for a moment.
People do make such mistakes when in “want to believe” mode. Hope and such. Human nature I am afraid.
Now, can agree with:
So, let’s continue this chat in…say….5 years.
All good.
That’s awesome, you’re welcome to email me at gmachine1729 at foxmail.com and then we can talk on WeChat.
Then why hasn’t Russia just cold blocked Google, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Why does Google still have about as much market share as Yandex according to some online stats? Why is there no Russian YouTube that I know of?
5 years is quite an excessive timeline. Computers and design programs currently aid research and development of energy-producing resources, thorium being one example as a propulsion system for vehicles. We need to develop alternative energy anyway, since fossil fuels are being exhausted. I’ve already talked to people who own a hybrid vehicle, and they claim their gasoline expenditures are minimal. My concern is centered around getting America out of the Middle East, and providing our energy needs with domestic resources. Would that be a reasonable proposition?
Yes, my experience in the US at least has told me that Russians are liberal cucks. They’re not cutthroat/zero-sum enough in their mentality. This shows well in their liberalness of media/internet policy relative to China. Not to mention how they were naive enough to fall into that pit of snakes in the first place. Someone who learns that snakes are dangerous after jumping into a pit of snakes is not more woke than one who avoid the pit of snakes in the first place.
Great comment by the way, I spread it on my blog too: https://gmachine1729.com/2018/12/24/screenshot-from-my-new-huawei-phone/.
Even Martyanov, if he dislikes America so much, why doesn’t he go back to Russia? Sure, it might not be a feasible option now, that’s okay. Well, at least he can use a Russian email instead of Gmail.
O.K.
Don’t say.
I suspect it depends on which of those two in the first sentence comes first.
3 years then?
Can’t wait.
First, a warning: I am not Putin, nor am I anyone close to the circles in Russia where the decisions are made. So, I can only guess. Everything below is pure guesswork of a person who spent about 8 weeks out of the last 27 years in Russia.
I think Russia does not ban Google, Facebook and the rest of Washington/Hasbara-controlled services for several reasons. First, because for ~95% of Russians they do the opposite of their goals: people assume that they are all liars. In fact, if either of them says that 2×2=4, the majority of Russians would start doubting times table. The remaining ~5%, the people called in Russia “liberasts” (the fusion of two words, the second one being Russian of French origin, our French friends should be able to guess which), are valuable for the regime as an example of pathetic unpatriotic scum. It helps Putin that Western darlings like Navalny are so dumb and dirty, such obvious nonentities, that they provide a good negative advertisement for the State Department propaganda. Besides, I don’t think Putin wants to give the West an excuse to retaliate: RT on a shoestring budget counters official propaganda of NYT, WP, CNN, FOX, and their ilk so efficiently that is causes tantrums of the US MSM and elites. Only an idiot changes the rules of the game he is winning. That’s why it’s so puzzling to me when the US effectively ruins the world financial order where it is currently on the top perch.
As to Youtube, there is Russian Rutube, but I don’t know whether it is a rich resource. Don’t watch much on Youtube, either.
Getting back to Huawei, I read that they are developing their own phone OS, to compete with iOS and Android. This might be part of the issue as well.
Two years is a reasonable figure. The technologies have been developed, but not refined. I wouldn’t be surprised to see more Americans driving hybrids or electric vehicles within a two to three year time frame. The problem is that people are scared of anything new. The government has already established quite dramatic fuel mileage and emission standards for future vehicles, so we’ll not have any choice in the matter.
You put excessive efforts to protecting the ZUSA’s disgusting ideology “might makes right.”
A habit of grouping with a bully looks as a special trait of a character — or, rather, as a lack of character.
How can IQ90+ murkhans be comparable to IQ100+ Chinese? Look at Spore spectacular development & Top2 per capital GDP, achievement of the descendants of China farmer given free from West sanction within 40yrs. Look at SK & Jp, once were considered barbarians by Chinese & their protectorate vassals.
If Chinese elites aren’t particular brilliance, we might be still reading the star to navigate, writing on palm leaves, and using knife to hunt.
And we wont have all the top Chinese scientists contributing to US technology until now, leading across all top researches & academic roles, even Jet propulsion lab is set up by a Chinese Qian Qisheng besides many top inventions, if you don’t know anything about Chinese great civilization & glory just few hundreds years ago, try Google.
With all the foul crying & accusation of Chinese stole our technology, there HW rolled out its 5G we have yet to invent, China produced the first Quantum Computer the West & Jp yet to do, in short span make it J20 stealth fighter with indigenous fly by wire we said its impossible, roll out indigenous designed aircraft carriers, aircraft carrier magnetic propulsion system that US still struggling with, ultra silent shaftless electric propulsion for submarines not yet successful in US, drop a space explorer behind the moon no one did, a electric car 500km per charge, HW HP Pro30, world fastest supercomputer, fastest hydrogen bomb dev with advanced technology West yet to discover….a long list to go.
Now we are crying Chinese stole our technology we yet to invent or break through, what a shameless deeds & laughing stocks make infront the world.
Prism gate proved that US is the greatest commercial espionage globally, even systematically on Germany & France.
What are you reading lately, Wapo & Guardians? Try RT, China news, globalresearch for some balance reading.
China GDP ppp was the world largest before Opium war. So can it regain that in future shortly if unhindered at 8% growth.
“As with the West in Ukraine being drawn into the vacuum that Russia so foolishly created.”
— It seems that you are trying to put blame on Russia for the illegal adventure conducted by Nuland-Kagan and Co (including the active collaboration of the CIA with Ukrainian neo-Nazi) in Kiev.
Russia has been making strenuous efforts to avoid bloodshed. The US/EU have been foolishly proactive in promoting the restoration of Nazism (so much for the Shoah-biz), religious schism, corruption from above and economical decline of the unfortunate “borderland.”
https://www.valuewalk.com/2017/12/ukraine-and-poland-war/
“Violent Anti-Semitism Is Gripping Ukraine — And The Government Is Standing Idly By:” https://forward.com/opinion/401518/violent-anti-semitism-is-gripping-ukraine-and-the-government-is-standing/
Mind that the Ukrainian government is an amalgam of Israel-firsters collaborating with neo-Nazi. See the influential oligarch Kolomojsky (a pillar of Ukrainian Jewish community and Israeli citizen) and the first ever Jewish prime-minster of Ukraine Groysman, both cooperating with the open neo-Nazis Parubij and Avakov; the latter were propelled to power by Nuland-Kagan and MacCain.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/meet-andriy-parubiy-the-former-neo-nazi-leader-turned-speaker-of-ukraines-parliament/5520502
http://original.antiwar.com/Chris_Ernesto/2015/01/28/us-announces-support-of-neo-nazis/
“Taking you seriously for a moment.”
— You seemingly forget that you have received a well-deserved scolding for your empty and disrespectful posts from several readers, including Ron Unz.
Your boast about being “multilingual in several languages” reminds me of the head of Foreign Office language teaching of whom it was said he could speak 15 languages fluently but not say anything intelligent in any of them.
Of course “multilingual in several languages” is linguistic and logical barbarism of which pleonastic is the polite description – and my point is one derived from the ancient Greeks which doesn’t offer excuses by reason of not having English, or any particular language, as your native tongue.
I wouldn’t employ you as my IP lawyer or even Patent Attorney on the evidence of your muddled language, and, not least, your apparent unawareness of your radical deficiencies. I trust someone pays to have your English, or whatever other language you use, copy edited by a competent graduate specialist. Anything else would suggest you were employed by cheapskates. After all the rigorously selected consultants at McKinsey & Co used to have their work tidied up by high grade English graduates (and probably still do).
A final thought. Don’t bother to get back to the points I was making. You are not up to it. Stick with your ad hominem bleating which seems to be good for your inadequate amour propre. (One of your languages?)
Apologize if i misread your comment missing the key word “since”. Its not done intentionally with blurring eyes, blame aging. Still i am sorry for that.
Using 20yrs ago good old memory to defend an international criminal kidnapper on order of its global terrorist Master….you miss your medication for senile?
Btw, how long did you ever study Canadian legal system 20yrs ago, for a article reading or a 20min lecture from your Canadian law lecturer? And that short moment done 20yrs ago enabled you boldly to defend Canadian judicial system as Independent & little PC now? That’s sufficient to say.
Japan was given great amount of support from US & West to rebuild and develop it after WW2 as a bulwark against Soviet & China communism expansion. Similarly for SK after Korean war.
Their great development owed much to US technology transfer & huge market open to them as a grooming scheme, with easy capital access. You won’t hear US complaining their IP infringement & piracy.
But China has to struggle hard not just with internal civil wars & all sorts of problems after WWII, it has to face daunting US led sanctions until today, and many subversion & sabotage. Besides threatened by the West consistently, it was surrounded by hostile neighbors,Soviet with Vietnam, Japan with US, HK with UK, India with FUKUS. Yet it was able to pull through without collapse & disintegrated as 8 Alliances desired much, proceed to develop spectacularly & pull all its people out from poverty, 700Mils in last count.
Compare China with India, who has similar huge population & large rural poverty to start with, we can see why one is feared so much by West as awaken Lion, while another still a shithole even FUKUS tried to groom it with military, nuclear weapons & economic support as counter weight (canon fodder) against China.
The sheer numbers wasn’t the only factor. China has near 100% literacy with upper 20% very high quality vs India ~60% literacy of very poor quality with mostly cheats & fake certificate bitterly complaint by its own health minister & all tech CEOs.
The energy cartels wasn’t very happy with renewal energy development or hybrid EV that stop gas guzzling SUVs from buying more gasoline. It was reported that solar energy is not even legally allowed for one to cut off from national grids.
Their powerful lobbyists will ensure Gov will not get the huge budget to dev all necessary infrastructure required for EV & new energy. MIC fighting over limited budget, will not back down. There isn’t much left for bone chewing over the already under budget health, education & social welfare.
With dilapidated infrastructures everywhere without sights to upgrade, it will be lucky that bridges & highways aren’t collapsing. EV isn’t going to take off in 2yrs, not even 5~10yrs until China threaten all US petrol vehicles survivability with its superior cheapest EV going 1000km per charge at 50% price, forcing US to bring in Chinese investment to rebuild its infrastructures, and renewal energy sector.
HW did make its own OS as a backup long ago incase Android turn its tap off, like Google is starting to tax EU for using its Android OS & literally can hold all China mobile company ransom.
As long US has not go to that extend, China will not switch to its own OS that will devastate their overseas sales. Or they may go duo, domestic & export version.
Then CIA lost its backdoor to spy on all Chinese phones.
China should push for universal OS asap, an open source with transparency where no backdoor can be embeded for global usage, allowing Apps developers to migrate over easily with no charge incentive. Again, US with its 5eyes will deem that as higher security threat, as it make their Prism lost shine.
You misconceive the task. You should understand that there is a great deal of continuity in collegial institutions like e.g. the Bar (from which nearly all judges are appointed) in England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and even less Anglo former colonies and Dominions. You would not be wrong in expecting that what you were fairly sure to be right 20 years ago would still be right.
You also overlook perhaps that lawyers know about other similar systems because of law reports and conferences. One could easily become an expert in e.g. US Constitutional Law without ever setting foot in America.
Actually you seem to be unclear about the basis of your scepticism. Am I likely to be out of date because 20 years has passed? Or did I perhaps never know much anyway? Maybe my shorthand was responsible. I wasn’t claiming to have made some special study of the Canadian legal system. I was merely intending to avoid overclaiming by indicating that my evidence for my tentative views was subject to attenuation for quite some time, while once having been stronger than casual and anecdotal.
As it happens I had met Canadian lawyers and judges, read Canadian cases, formed general views about similarities and differences between Australia and Canada and then led a study of jury systems around the world which included quite a bit of time in Canada (though the major Canadian trial we observed wasn’t quite up to the drama of the case we dropped in on in LA – none other than the OJ trial. The Maxwell brothers trial in London was also competitive).
Vidi, no amount of legality explanation can peel open the cemented eyes of these self righted hypocrite whites. They will ridicule & challenge your legal background if not language skill, but even if similar arguments were to be put forward by a white Canadian international criminal lawer in Canada writing perfect English, they will reject it. These pp aren’t retard to understand all these simple things, just simply hypocrite. Their kins blood are thicker.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/canada-arrests-meng-wanzhou-cfo-of-huawei-chinas-global-cell-phone-competitor/5662253/amp
https://m.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/united-states/article/2177794/supreme-american-hypocrisy-waging-war-huawei
But what does Canadian law prof said about such illegal arrest?
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4937146
They care not about international & UN law, or Canada is a binding party of Jcpoa Iran agreement. Only US laws matter to Canada. Many whites hold similar view, this is what we can read in many forums, including in UNZ.
Who is the biggest benefitors of this saga?
Britain, EU, US Hypocrisy over China’s Canadian Detentions.
No doubt these Canadian judges, prosecutors and lawyers are of global high standard & “integrity”. But why do you think all Potus are fighting to nominate(stuff) their Supreme Court judges, AG?
No human is sane to be impartial, they know who grease their hands & promote them to power.
US has been incorporating crooked judges to overthrow elected leaders, Brazil, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Mauritius, ….
Many countries use judicial system to stiffen opposition with lengthy law suits.
These high judges are also frequently politically appointed, utilize for political cases.
Self defense argument is the logic behind preposterous AUMF .Somewhere somebody , anywhere anybody could wake up in mid night and say “I offer my allegiance to Al Quiaa’ US will start bombing that country . No rules no logic no proof no analysis . Go and bomb – US has got AUMF.
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“To recap, currently there is a state of war between Iran and The United States initiated by ”
Lets recap- we have AUMF . This is legal version of Nuclear bomb . We deny this bomb to Iran and Afghanistan,Yemen,Libya and Somalia .
There are many reasons rest of the 3rd world countries don’t like China. But to them ,at least a balancing act on international forum is being now provided by rise of China . It is like the appearance of a new gang on the landscape already occupied and terrorized by one gang . Things can’t get any worse .But chances of things getting better high as the 2 gangs will encroach on each other territories and will start occupying each other .
You mention some of the reasons that I am becoming increasingly unwilling to support extradition in most cases. Just start with what courts still occasionally declare to be paramount, namely affording accused person’s a fair trial. Even if you assume citizens of all countries are happy to think they would get a fair trial in their country it is ridiculous to think that sending a young Australian downloader and distributor of music for trial in a country where nominally the same language is spoken (in some parts!) – say an Australian to the US – protects his right to a fair trial.
1. He is banged up before and after extradition without bail
2. He has neither the money nor the knowledge or contacts to employ good lawyers or understand his situation in a foreign country
3. He is without any support from friends or family
4. He faces much longer sentences than in Australia
5. US prosecutors are ruthless in overcharging so, in 97 per cent of cases, they can extort a plea bargain
6. Both prosecutor and judge may be political characters elected on crude law and order and lockemup campaigns
Add to that what you mention about political appointments contested in the Senate and, to me, it is a travesty to extradite to America, let alone most non English speaking countries if one isn’t a native speaker or citizen.
Happily appointments to judicial office in Australia – to mention only the country I know best – is typically on the recommendation of the Attorney-General after discussions at least with the Chief Justice and the Bar leadership. Labor governments tend to do a bit more virtue signalling by appointing women whom the traditional Bar might not heartily support on professional grounds, or a lawyer who doesn’t practise at the Bar, or a token ethnic. About 1930 there were two Labor appointments to our highest court which led the Bar en masse to stay away from the formal welcome ceremonies. And in 1975 Labor appointed its own highly unsuitable Attorney-General who died 12 years latee before his second trial for corruption could be held. So, happily, the US and Third World experiences are not universal and, I add, judges in Australia quite often tear strips off even government ministers.
Avakov is not a Neo-Nazi. He is just a thief. He would gladly cooperate with anyone allowing him to steal more, be it Nazis, Zionists, or Devil himself.
NYT sports today how Chinese court and justice system are opaque and politicized .
It is .So is USA. In China 2 unknown fight with each other ( or known to each other but not known to rich or to party officials ) will not suffer lack of proper justice . Same goes to US.
2 unknown can change the justice in China by bribing. It is possible also in US.
NYT think Trump shouldn’t bring politics in justice by intervening for release of Chinese for Canadians . Earlier it has said that Trump was vigorously implementing Iran sanction and arrest in Canada is the expression of that anti -Iranin sanction.
But NYT doesn’t say that Justice department was recruited by politicians to ( Hillary Liberman Mc Cain, Sheldon Adelsohn, Saudi, Netanyahu, AIPAC) impose sanction . It was a (political process . There was no justice . There was no even self interest . It was private ( Adelson money or Hiam Saban’s money to choose one candidate over another who will promise to bomb Iran ) or foreign ( Israel and Saudi ) or local foreign lobby (n AIPAC and ADL and FDD ) . It was politics that drive JCOPA over the cliff .
Iran-Trade was scuppered and made illegal through Justice (forceful implementation by Treasury- US Gov branch )
Now trade with China has to be secured and protected . US Gov can ask legal system to look other ways on this occasion or simply accept JCOPA which will make sure that legal system doesn’t have to look other way.\ in future.
My impression is that many in the third world simply envy China and resent its success. That includes India and numerous lesser players.
First, Merry Christmas anyone reading this post who believes in the mystery.
To the topic.
Glad you posted that. Hehe..that “scolding” caught my eye in fact. You “female senior citizen”? Ex teacher even, perhaps? Would make some sense.
Just for the record: you are, apparently, confusing me with somebody who gives a shit about what Ron Unz or 90 % of people here think or feel about me, especially about military related matters.
That “empty and disrespectful” enough for you? At least the later I hope.
Which brings us to the reason I write this today. The sheeple and authority thing. Or, human nature, power and control.
This online pub is supposed to attract people not into groupthink, who are independent, critical, especially about authority etc. Reality is, of course, quite the opposite.
The best thing about this pub (with a reasonable free speech) is “people watching”. Personalities and social dynamics here.
Probably the reason for its existence in the first place but, let’s skip over it.
And by watching supposedly non-mainstream people…hehe….I really don’t think TPTBs are breaking any sweat. In fact, I am sure they are having fun checking this pub every now and then.
That reason I mentioned above…..
Merry Christmas.
True. The government, especially in California, is raiding funding for infrastructure to prop up social programs and decrease deficits. There will be a necessity to wean Americans off of fossil fuels, so it’s time to start that process with technologies off the shelf, and explore newer, lesser known energy sources such as fuel from water, thorium and vastly improved battery life. Tesla developed a 300 mile range electric vehicle, and it’s not a rolling cereal box or a tricked out golf cart. I’m encouraged with these developments, but as you say, petroleum industries are not going to be eager to watch their product becoming obsolete.
True but it doesn’t mean China is a benevolent hegemony or will turn out to be. Lets hope ,the rivalry between China and USA give enough space for other countries to be powerful enough so that the rest can survive any misdeeds encroachment or arms twisting by either. It is like WW1 when India should have taken advantage of and kicked out British ( India was told by USA not to and wait until the end of the war )
Hegemons are never benign, or else they won’t be hegemons. The best we can hope for is a multi-polar world, where lesser players will have more power because no bully has monopoly. That’s classical checks and balances enshrined in the US Constitution; unfortunately, it became dead letter – was trampled by the Deep State many times (say, so-called Patriot Act is totally unconstitutional).
One significant historical chapter in China involved the Opium Trade. Britain and China would square off on the issue of worldwide distribution of this drug to the point where it became a pretext for Britain invading and conquering China. A byproduct of that trade arose: Huge segments of the Chinese population became addicted to opium. Kinda makes you wonder why that particular element of history is ignored by liberals who campaign for the legalization of drugs.
And Oz judges had some time ago striked down many of their ministers & DPM over dual citizenship, that i find so notorious like a coup. The Oz judge really tear strips off them, without been fired. Are these kind of political moves for regime change by US for not been obedient?
Usually Chief judge & AG are apointed by PM (& his stooge Law Minister) in Commonwealth countries, who then proceed to appoint, promote, retired high judges according to their political goals. Politic is dirty, everyone knows.
Judicial is mostly politicized. But in developed countries like US, normal cases are still quite fairly judged with bribery not so blatant. Some basic laws got to be follow as Law above Man.
But in China, its completely politicized & government dictated. Its Man above Law. However for the complexity faced by Chinese gov to run such a vast country & population with enormous challenges, both internal & external(mostly from FUKUS), this is mandatory for their stability & security. Only if China find well secured will they allow Law above Man system. These leaders are tough and smart to chart their own path regardless of West criticism.
Such system has its pro & con. When a good upright leader like Deng or Xi appear, they can lead the country dev swiftly unhinder by rigid rules, while overly corrupted one like Jiang will rotten entire system that millions of corrupted officials need to be purged by Xi to savage the country.
Problem is influential people took advantage of such flexible system. Under Jiang, I have China friend who gave the judge a script to read out for trial, no need me to tell what’s the outcome. But under Xi, even a fire safety officer can close down their shop for not complying, and no bribery is easily accepted now as they told. Its a great improvement that im happy to hear.
Jcpoa was signed into law by UNSC + Germany, binding to all UN members. But EU, China, Russia & many countries simply lack the spine & basic integrity to stand up against the world biggest bully to censor it. They could unite and continue all trades with Iran, while leaving US to isolate itself from entire world, including trade if it sanction everybody.
But EU backoff after talking tough making all international treatise as a joke. And Canada is relegating itself to poor lackey in arresting Meng on transit without even entering Canada, paying high price alone while getting nothing from US in return.
The lead negotiator of contracts is always the one who has the flare & critical ability to grab the whole business/IP issue well, and close the deal in an advantageous position, thoroughly understanding all implications without jeopardizing the company he represented.
He does not need to write well, having a team of lawyers like you to diligently take down note, advise legal term, draft & touch up for his approval & signature only. Just as the judge has his team of well trained law clerks to do all the work based on his inputs.
The IP lawyer usually know little except common legal terms, we have to train him often on the job painstakingly explaining on the new technology or business involved to ensure he don’t screwed up the legal contract. I always think i should bill the law company instead for training their men.
Its always easy to find competent lawyer who write perfect English for a fee, but hard to find competent lead business negotiator that usually occupying high position. What’s more if he is multilingual, able to link up the East & West.
And India proceed to be British sepoys proudly, helping his master to invade neighbors & China. It seems such past glory of serving a great master still lure them into partnership with US now, awaiting on their new master order to help invade its neighbors & China again.
In your state of ignorance (particularly lack of familiarity with Australian law and lawyers) you are certainly wise to be wary but I can assure you those rulings about dual citizenship at the time of standing for election were actually a good advertisement for the honesty and impartiality of the judges.
1. Unlike the US constitution (you would be aware from UR discussions of the large number of Israeli citizens in Congress) the Australian Constitution does not allow citizens of other countries to stand for the federal parliament. But who is such a citizen when opponents (or competitors within your own party decide to raise it? Did you acquire the citizenship of your mother – or maybe it was your father – under the principles of law to be applied because one of them was automatically entitled to his or here’s Ruritanian parent’s citizenship?
How do you get rid of such possible citizenship and when does it count as having occurred? Does non response by the other country matter? Does its delay in acknowledgment matter?
2. Cases are not begun by the courts, let alone police. I suppose quite a lot of cases have been overlooked in the past but now that there are many MPs of recent immigrant background and even those from UK and New Zealand are no longer just fellow subjects of the Queen as they would have been in my childhood AND the parliamentary majorities have been thin it has seemed opportune for the Opposition to embarrass the Government by raising objections to some MPs valid election and then tit for tat arises.
3. I can see that someone who can write “promote, retired high judges” might be worried about his understanding of the legal system and judiciary but it sounds paranoid to declare with a broad brush that “Politics is dirty, everyone knows” as though you are saying something relevant and helpful, even to yourself.
And, incidentally, it is not an example of politics being dirty for an MP to be attacked as not validly elected. It might be opportunistic harassment but it is probably quite rational and justifiable.
You sound as though you might agree with me that staying modestly within your area of competence, even if great and critical, is a good idea and that blustering in a language of which one has no more than an indifferent grasp isn’t impressive in a good way.
Sounds balanced and reasonable to me though I hadn’t heard the suggestion that the 5 + Germany deal was imposed by US bullying. Certainly the lack of prompt counter measures to Trump’s withdrawal and attempts to bully others supports your view. The thought occurs to me that multiple interrelations and growth paths of the 6 minus US make it all too complicated – at least until China has the wealth and power it may have in 10 years time.
A bit loose. Britain didn’t conquer China (even if you haven’t picked up from a UR thread that all the deplorable opium trade was the work of the Jewish Sassoons!).
And “legalization of drugs” ignores the huge variety that are or might be involved. Some are highly addictive, some neurotoxic, others not or not unmanageably.
“Totally unconstitutional”. Is that your private layman’s opinion or can you cite legal authority? Surely, in a country as overlawyered as the US, the issue must have been taken to some superior court by now.
If you have at least one tenth of legal qualifications you boast about, read the Patriot Act and compare it to the US laws, particularly focusing on the presumptions of innocence, protections against unlawful entry, searches, etc.
To bring something to the Supreme Court, one needs a lot of money. The ones with money backed this act to better control sheeple. Numerous “rights organizations” like Amnesty International, Southern Poverty Law Center and others of their ilk are totally subservient to their wealthy donors and push their agenda.
“boast about”. Do yourself a favour and don’t discredit your arguments up front with absurdities. You won’t find me having ever having boasted of my legal qualifications. So what does your rash offensiveness say about you?
And surely you have enough self respect not to just waffle when caught out. Why couldn’t you acknowledge that your “totally unconstitutional” was just layman’s rhetoric. That the Patriot Act is objectionable for all sorts of reasons doesn’t make it unconstitutional.
As to your cost argument…. I didn’t presume, and didn’t need to presume that the case had to reach the Supreme Court. Regardless of that, cost is just not an issue when you have so many lawyers willing to make a name for themselves by acting pro bono.
Lawyers know better than anyone on which side their bread is buttered. If they work against the Deep State, they ruin their careers, rather than make names for themselves. When the same forces control the government, NSM, and the bench (as is currently the case in the US), you cannot make a name for yourself going against those forces. It’s like peeing against the wind, self-punishing.
Merry Christmas, anyway, if you are a Christian.
I’m glad you are cheerfully robust and it occurs to me capable of Christian charity and forgiveness! I was brought up by a natural pagan Anglican/Episcopal mother to say Happy Christmas which, if it amuses you to follow the recent history of verbal fashions in English, probably came from attempting to follow English upper class ways. (Cf. U and Non-U as in Nancy Mitford’s book(s) ). And in the spirit of Christmas cracker trivia I note, for your comparison with your American experience, you could still perhaps find in Australia time lags of the provinces from the metropolis. Apart from Australia in 1900, from being rich and avant garde, at least in the SE and despite being small in population, declining to being most of a generation behind American fashions in everything by 1945 it was the styles of architecture from the early to late/mid 19th century which struck me as being a generation behind those in England for the obvious reason, when I thought about it, that people making good in the colonies remembered what was smart and fashionable in their youth at home in the UK and built just that. I am lucky enough to live in an 1860s house with classic Georgian proportions and style which wouldn’t have been built in England much after 1835. So…. Happy Christmas from the depths of my Anglican atheist heart!
PS I don’t underate the difficulty, the time and the organising energy, to get a good pro bono (or merely subsidised) legal case off the ground. Maybe UR threadsters are generally too old to get a crowd funding campaign going, but it saddened me to read about the second rate defence of the young man found guilty of murder in Charlottesville…. As a matter of interest the famous Mabo case in Australia where somehow Melanesian Eddie Mabo’s vegetable garden on a Torres Strait Island that he hadn’t visited for decades became the catalyst for the High Court overturning 150 years of law that recognised no native title for the nomadic largely hunter gatherer Aboriginal people’s of the mainland was conducted by a distinguished QC who was rich because his mother’s Russian Jewish family, arriving in the early 20th century, had done very well indeed (look around and see the name on art galleries, hospital wings, concern halls…). I didn’t know him well but know that, only a few years after he had topped our best law school he accepted a brief to represent and organise the defence (in effect) of the Scientologists who were about to be monstered (best thing done by the old-fashioned Catholic judge who presided) in a Royal Commission of inquiry. Add my recollection of meeting his charming and attractive female cousin whose charitable activity focussed on Aboriginal education and I infer that counsel were acting pro bono in the Mabo case because it was a case of honorable – and privileged – members of a great traditional profession seeking to uphold the rights and dignity of the downtrodden. Sadly that barrister died young and I never had a chance to meet and ask him about the Palestinians. Don’t be cynical: I know another Jewish born barrister of the same graduation year who has been vitriolic about, inter alia, Israel’s Wall.
A view from China:
http://www.360doc.com/content/18/0206/12/48006392_728098317.shtml
By giving importance to your job, you must be realizing that almost all of your energy and time is channeled into the system, the elites, whatever their values. And you Sir, are left with your sorry bones in case the systemics are tricked against you. Better decide early on. A part time dissident, often heard of, call it templative minded. Sounds like working for Monsanto, and shopping for biological food to power your exertions.
George Orwell merely defined what liberals are adopting as their tactics being employed within social media, news outlets, academia, GOVERNMENT, and organizations campaigning to “Change” things. He did not present remedial measures to stem the tides of government expansion and militant liberal resolve to crush opposing ideologies. What resources remain for the conservative movement to apply simple concepts such as sovereignty, personal responsibility, energy/manufacturing/raw material/labor obtained from domestic sources and budget balancing as their key tenets are comprised of a catastrophic economic malaise which arises in the wake of Socialism, Communism, or any variations of those ostensibly altruistic schemes. Liberals simply don’t learn from history, but even the most intractable Puffy Lip can view the images coming out of Venezuela, Greece, Italy, Spain and other nations plagued with the curse of a bloated, corrupt, tyrannical government that arose from the foolishness of citizens who’ve fallen for the same snake oil that brought untold grief to other populations. The old saying “Fool me once, shame on you..” is as valid today as it was when wise people coined the phrase.
Good point Rurik re the American mistreatment of of German POWs and civilians. I don’t think Americans executed many of these people. They died from Typhus and malnutrition in concentration camps. The Germans were much better at controlling Typhus in their camps (until the bitter end). By the way, a Soviet gulag was a death sentence.
My uncle was in the army and saw the Battle of the Bulge. Later he was stationed in an Austrian town. The Americans found the identity of all the locals who were members of the Nazi party and put them in a concentration camp. The American GIs liked and sympathized with the Germans and Austrians. They brought them food and cigarettes–ignoring the orders of superiors. My future aunt was one of the inmates. At age 16 she joined the Nazi party and was able to have a part time office job. Her twin sister didn’t join the party so her part time job was cleaning public toilets. My aunt’s duties involved administering orphanages and aid for the elderly. The Nazis were able to sell themselves as a benevolent organization, at least to the Austrians. At 17 she married a young man who was sent to the eastern front and died in six weeks. History books present distortions.
Pretty narrow and ignorant point of view by our Chinese adversaries. No disrespect toward Jews intended but there is no way they control the US. They are 1.7% of the population and do not think or act as a block. The great Anglo-Saxons were the founders but, by this time, they might be outnumbered by Jews due to centuries of dilution by intermarriage. Jews are similarly diluted by now.
Naming these as top ethnic groups is hilarious. Just take a look at their ugly mugs. It is reassuring to see the Chinese are as stupid as the rest of us, maybe worse.
It’s past time that the US govt fired a shot across the Chinese bow. That it was a bit dodgy rather than strictly gentlemanly was probably a good thing. They need to see that we can play hardball when required. If there’s going to be a confrontation with the Chinese, it’s almost certain that it will be better coming sooner than later
I think the Chinese, with five thousand years of civilization behind then, are perceptive enough to recognize the parasitic and subversive nature of the Tribe. They are likely just playing a waiting game, allowing the termites to gnaw away at the timbers of the West. Again, it’s easy to take the long view after five millennia. The Chinese will not be foolish enough to allow the chosen one’s traditional modus operandi to continue when and where they are in control.
China seizing Adelson’s piggy bank would be a welcome move, in fact a huge favor to the U.S. He is a thorn in the side of the American electorate. While a Neocon, Adelson still falls right in with George Soros, Tom Steyer, n Michael Bloomberg, n the sooner someone rids the U.S. of one (or more if possible) of these parasites, the sooner the U.S. can begin to recover its rationality n no longer function like an insect whose brain has been infected.
Why trot this essay out again, not much new in the case. Other than that Miss Meng is moving. Seems being confined to the privations of house arrest in her $4 million dollar mansion in Vancouver was just too much to bear for the poor little waif, so her battery of top-dollar Canadian legal eagles got a court to approve her move into a new more lavish seven bedroom, eight bath pad in a gated private preserve. Poor babe, after working her way up to the top by sheer grit in Daddy’s piratical state-favored corporation, she has to now suffer such hardship. Shame she couldn’t enjoy the same rights & protections the former Canadian diplomat, Michael Kovrig – & also Canadian businessman, Michael Spavor – do after being detained in China, where they are held in spartan confinement with multiple daily interrogations & no legal counsel. “Small bargaining chips” apparently don’t rate the same privileges as the rich & connected. At least not in a “normal” country like China.
But, since “a natural reaction to international hostage-taking is retaliatory international hostage-taking, [at least among “normal” countries], maybe the best course for the freedom-loving Chinese would be to kidnap Ivanka Trump. Then they could trade one J.A.P. for another!
But at least the part about how “pro-Israel minions largely control American foreign policy” is undeniably true, so if the Central Committee can let ‘a thousand flowers bloom’ on that, it will be the bargain of the century.
Even self admitted Hermits such as myself understands that Huawei is all over the news cycle on at least four continents, and does the term trade war ring a bell?
many chinese political commentators have pointed out that china will do everything to avert large scale conflict with US, because most of the top chinese politicians own huge amount of assets in US, their sons and daughters attend US schools, their mistresses live in mansions in california. Wang Qishan is said to have a 10 billion dollar trust fund in the US.
If there really is open conflict between china and US, most of their assets will be frozen. That’s why elites in china will do everything possible to avert conflict with US.
This video says Wang Qishan has a 10 billion dollar trust fund in the US
No doubt about it.
They are too smart to burn a carrier killer missile through an actual US carrier, but I suspect under President Harris, her first month in officer, they will sink an LCS or Burke for sailing too close to one of their fortress islands ‘during preplanned firing exercises, ooopps’.
Or, if they are smart, accidentally sink one of their own (older) container ships in the main channel at Guam. Sideways between the breakwater and Spanish Steps. Ooopps
Sigh.
Sigh.
(Ron Unz – the blogging revealer with the ultimate mega-power – a fabulous freak-brother avoiding the next world catastrophe by his sheer steely will).
The Chinese electronics industry led by Huawei is waging a life-or-death war against the American electronics sector. They have already exterminated American computer, mobile phone, etc. industries, deleting America in those areas.
The situation reminds me of the Japanese outcompeting and destroying the British textile industry in the nineteen twenties. The beating received by Manchester was so severe that the area, even now, a hundred years later, is a desolate wasteland.
You have to be very shortsighted to see the Huawei phenomenon/problem as a question of a phone call by a 90 years old dying Jew to the President.
“The Chinese electronics industry is waging a life-or-death war against the American electronics sector”.
You are delusional. There is no “American electronics sector”. All consumer electronic products are manufactured in Asia. The main reason for this is NOT much lower labor rates……note that Japanese labor is just as expensive as American labor and they still manufacture using robotics and automation. The actual reason for the death of consumer product manufacturing in the USA is very basic……Americans are too stupid, lazy, and drug addled to summon up the skill level and attention to detail required to manufacture consumer electronic products. It’s just that simple. There are no American discrete component manufacturers, so all resistors and capacitors have to be imported. There are only a couple of PC board manufacturers left in the USA….they use imported copper clad board material and skilled imported labor, and are usually owned by recent immigrants. There is industrial and military electronics manufacturing left in the USA, but these are not cost sensitive industries. The military gear is designed and built domestically on very lucrative cost plus profit contracts for security reasons i.e. your basic corporate welfare. Imagine the manufacturing of the lowly quarter watt resistor in the USA……instead of selling for $o.oo5 each in bulk and offering 100% reliability, each resistor would sell for a dollar each with a very discernible failure rate. The American population is just too addled to keep the automated machinery running. Electronic consumer manufacturing left the USA 25 years ago for reasons beyond just labor rates, never to return.
This isn’t quite right. Operating systems are also “manufactured” – and they are totally dominated by the US.
Tom Kirby makes this clear in his Strategic Culture article: https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/05/24/trumps-attack-on-huawei-could-shatter-us-monopoly-on-operating-systems/
He says that China is capable of undertaking giant national projects – especially when they are under threat.
Trump is in fact threatening the whole Chinese electronics sector if they (Huawei) are denied access to US operating systems. So China could (in theory) react by developing a competing desktop OS and mobile OS and possibly so could Russia.
To TheMediumIsTheMassage, I agree that China is not a normal country (and, I would say, it hasn’t much right to be dumbstruck by anything) but trashing the author isn’t going to convince anyone. Ron wrote a fine article except for that one sentence. Removing it would have no effect on his argument.
Great analysis. Up to your usual standards, Mr. Unz. I only wish I had the time to read all the comments but instead must only skim a sample.