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    Another reason why the Philippines is the experimental place for Noahide villages. Duterte's wife and his children are considered Jewish.

    https://www.jpost.com/International/Controversial-leader-of-the-Philippines-leader-and-his-Jewish-ish-family-566406

    A lesser-known fact about the notorious leader is that his ex-wife of 25 years with whom he had three children is of Jewish descent.
    The father of Elizabeth Zimmerman, 70, was a German Jew who fled Nazi Germany and obtained a visa to the Philippines along with approximately 1,300 European Jews.
     
    The couple has three children, Paolo, Sara, and Sebastian who are therefore also of Jewish descent, and Sara is currently in Israel visiting with her father.
     
    https://www.noahide-academy.com/philippines-noahide-community/

    Here is a bit about the Noahide centers in the Philippines. Poor Philippines - so far from God, so close to Israel.

    What they Currently Have

    They are currently 1,580 declared Noahides all over the Philippines.
    They have 14 Community Centers in: Davao City, Cebu City, Dumaguete City, Taguig City, Cagayan City, Iligan City and other municipalities, the majority being in the Mindanao area.
    Prayer services on Saturdays the whole day with online live streaming so that other brethren can listen to the Torah Study (even if they are outside the country).
    Online lectures for the youth every Sunday from 13:00 to 15:00.
    Rabbi Nir Donfeld gives guidance through regular local classes and answering practical questions in coordination with the Noahide Academy.
    They have 25 Divine Code Books.
    They have 150 Prayer Booklets.
     

    Another reason why the Philippines is the experimental place for Noahide villages. Duterte’s wife and his children are considered Jewish.

    Thanks for shedding light on this obscure fact… had no idea.

  • @Jacques Sheete

    It doesn’t appear that the timing particularly supports your hypothesis. Wilberforce took up the abolitionist cause in 1787.
     
    Thank you for that. One problem with your argument is that Wilberforce most likely had misgivings about slavery prior to 1787 and so did others.

    Another problem is that he was not the first abolitionist. One example would be that of James Oglethorpe, a Brit who formed a colony in 1722, Georgia, which ironically was based on several "progressive" ideas such as forbidding slavery there! Another irony about that is that apparently he was a Freemason. Go figure!


    Also, "Jews" did have a hand in the formation of it all, and I went 'round and 'round with renfro on that topic quite a while back.


    For me, the take home message so far is that the is always much more to the story than we've been told.

    Again, thanks for providing incentive to begin to check it out and for the names you provided. Some day I need to investigate the subject in detail.

    Oglethorpe’s first fleet didn’t leave the UK until 1732, two years after his plan for the colony was proposed. He also forbade the presence of “that pest and scourge of mankind called lawyers.”

  • @geokat62
    Agree button already used.

    Another reason why the Philippines is the experimental place for Noahide villages. Duterte’s wife and his children are considered Jewish.

    https://www.jpost.com/International/Controversial-leader-of-the-Philippines-leader-and-his-Jewish-ish-family-566406

    A lesser-known fact about the notorious leader is that his ex-wife of 25 years with whom he had three children is of Jewish descent.
    The father of Elizabeth Zimmerman, 70, was a German Jew who fled Nazi Germany and obtained a visa to the Philippines along with approximately 1,300 European Jews.
     
    The couple has three children, Paolo, Sara, and Sebastian who are therefore also of Jewish descent, and Sara is currently in Israel visiting with her father.

    https://www.noahide-academy.com/philippines-noahide-community/

    Here is a bit about the Noahide centers in the Philippines. Poor Philippines – so far from God, so close to Israel.

    What they Currently Have

    They are currently 1,580 declared Noahides all over the Philippines.
    They have 14 Community Centers in: Davao City, Cebu City, Dumaguete City, Taguig City, Cagayan City, Iligan City and other municipalities, the majority being in the Mindanao area.
    Prayer services on Saturdays the whole day with online live streaming so that other brethren can listen to the Torah Study (even if they are outside the country).
    Online lectures for the youth every Sunday from 13:00 to 15:00.
    Rabbi Nir Donfeld gives guidance through regular local classes and answering practical questions in coordination with the Noahide Academy.
    They have 25 Divine Code Books.
    They have 150 Prayer Booklets.

    • Replies: @geokat62

    Another reason why the Philippines is the experimental place for Noahide villages. Duterte’s wife and his children are considered Jewish.
     
    Thanks for shedding light on this obscure fact... had no idea.
  • There is an inverse relationship between pedophilia and intelligence, that is, the more intelligent a person is, statistically the less likely he is to be a pedophile

    Substantiate this with an appropriate graph based on IQ of those convicted of pedophilia or stop writing rubbish.

    There are numerous cases of intelligent, intellectual, and academic types engaging in pedophilia, starting with Leonardo da Vinci’s two convictions for pedophilia recorded in the Vatican archives. Or get hold of the correspondence between William Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg and read what they used to do to little preteen Moroccan boys paying them baksheesh. Or read about what went on in English public schools attended by the more intelligent segment of the population that went on to populate the political, academic, or business world, who having been sexually abused by their teachers no doubt mostly turned into abusers themselves when they grew up.

    Maybe now that the West is importing immigrants from regions of low IQ where pedophilia is endemic this may now be becoming more widespread among the lower classes than before society became multicultural.

  • @Paul Bustion
    Your evidence that Karl Marx was a Freemason is that he put his hand inside his coat. This is why nobody takes the right-wing seriously. You people are retarded. The right-wing will never succeed politically because of how stupid they are.

    You sound a little… triggered. 🙂 You must be pretty invested in Marx. I guess being a satanist and communist is one thing, but also being a Freemason is just too much.

    Your “right wing” (vs left wing) comment suggests you can’t see the forest for the trees.

  • @Paul C.

    This book by a University of Chicago Jewish Economist who is married to a black woman professor at the same University argues that black slaves were actually much better off than after Emancipation when they would be employed at wage slave Levels.
     
    The Jewish professor exalts the virtues of the Jewish slave trade. What a surprise.

    The rich want to turn the world into a borderless economy where all workers can be employed at the same destitute levels &the rich can Control everyone.
     
    Why don't you name the rich? These are the jewish/ zionist bankers who created and control the illegal Centrals Banks with their usury and fiat currencies that enslave the general populations with debt and taxes. The Talmud explains this. The goy are their slaves. And yes they want to erase borders and are the biggest proponents of "open borders" and are facilitating mass immigration. They want to erase the homogeneity and individual culture of each nation. They want to demoralize Christians and start a conflict between the 3rd world immigrants and the native populations. Order out of chaos.

    Ethnic racial &class conflict is a smokescreen for the rich to distract us from their pillaging the economy Exactly as Paul Krugman argues.
     
    This is what the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion tells us. Divide and conquer. Keep the masses distracted with nonsense, like the democrat vs republican talking points. Like the fake news and fake mass shootings. It's all kabuki theater.

    More and more Karl Marx’s analysis looks correct.
     
    It's interesting that you claim to be a Christian yet support a satanic, Freemason Jew who is anti-Christ. Very curious.

    “It’s interesting that you claim to be a Christian yet support a satanic, Freemason Jew who is anti-Christ. Very curious.”

    Good catch, Paul. What’s also curious to me is that people here who seemed sane for years suddenly began fawning over this troll. It appears that your questioning of him started soon after he appeared. I admire your discernment.

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  • @Mevashir

    Socialism also allows choices. You are the one being dishonest.
     
    I just went for my morning mikveh and had some more ideas to share with you. I hope this will be my last comment on UNZ, because I see it morphing into a playground for the American CCCP crowd: Crony Cancer Capitalist Perversion.

    Yes it's good to have choices. But even the CCCPs admit that choice is not unlimited. For example, most of them agree that murder cannot be permitted. And narcotics should not be available without prescriptions. Many of the Fundie CCCPs want to ban abortion and remove that option for poor single women unable to cope with pregnancy. Most all of them agree to prohibit prostitution and non heterosexual behavior.

    So it appears that even extreme CCCPs would agree that some choices cannot be allowed in a civil society.

    My argument is that many of the "choices" inflicted on us by the CCCP system we currently live under are dangerous and destructive. Is there virtue in having 500 cable tv channels? No, but psychologists will tell you that it's good for sales since constant television watching increases human alienation that can only be alleviated by purchasing worthless material goods. The same is true for the other electronic devices we have become mass addicted to.

    A healthy society understands the need to restrict some human choices as deleterious to the rest of society. The Orthodox Jews prohibit owning and watching television because they understand it threatens their cultural and religious values. They do this without an afterthought even though it eliminates a big source of "choice".

    Another thing: when you support a medical system that maximizes your freedom to shop around for a doctor, hospital, etc, you are also choosing a system that excludes a huge part of the population because of economic exigencies. That is as much a part of your "choice" as your precious freedom to choose your own medical services.

    I go to a low income medical and dental clinic. I have no choice whatsoever who will be seeing me when I have an appointment. And I don't care a whit, because I am grateful to be able to see anyone at all. And in the three years I have been using these services, my quality of life and health have improved markedly for which I am very thankful.

    Ever hear the expression: Live Simply ... so others may simply live!

    That's what is important to me in the consideration of a socio-economic system, and I would say America's system of CCCP fails dramatically in this vital consideration of the Common Good.

    I have met some people on this site with whom I have exchanged email addresses and now feel UNZ no longer is useful for me. I am sure many of you will be glad to hear that I intend to move on.

    BlesSings to you all.

    In Jesus' Name, Amen.

    Yeah, well…don’t let the doorknob hit you where the good lord split you. Troll.

  • @Robjil
    That is what Zionists are trying to do to Protestants. In the Philippines, it is happening already, sadly for humanity.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-the-messianic-zionist-religion-that-wants-to-recruit-7-billion-members-1.6455144

    Cooperation between Israel and the Philippines is constantly growing, and this week reached new heights with the visit to Israel of the country’s president, Rodrigo Duterte. The Philippines are a key arena of Chabad activity, and one of the primary venues where the new religion is being disseminated. There are four Chabad centers in the country, and in addition to assisting Jews, they support 10 Noahide houses of prayer. The Hasidic emissaries view the Philippines community as the model for Noahide communities in other countries. A group from the community was brought to Israel two years ago, and its members met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has also sent his greetings to all the communities worldwide.
     
    Fatima Moubina or something like that, was always bragging about Israeli sandals being good in Yemen. Yet, Israel's soul mate Saudi Arabia is bombing and attacking Yemen as we speak. She mentioned something about Al-Qaeda like it was real. I said that it isn't real. Al-Qaeda means toilet in Arabic. It is US/Israel creation to destroy the Muslim world. She soon disappeared.

    This guy M, says the new patsies W(hite) Nationalists are real. He says Russia, Hungary and US are in danger from them. This is a fantasy of Zionists. Russia is an European and Asian nation, a Russian Federation of many peoples. Russia has Russian Federation Nationalism, just like China or Iran do for their governments. There no W(hite) fantasies in Russia. There are Russians looking over the borders at the delusions of our Zion rulers in the west. Russia has some Jewish Oligarchs but not in power for full propaganda mode like in the west.

    Hungary has Hungarian Nationalism to protect its people from invasions of people fleeing Zion based wars and coups. It is not W(hite) Nationalist or W(hite) Supremacy to protect the borders of one's nation from invasions. Hungary has an unique language which is based on a Central Asian language. It is not an Indo-European language, yet most Hungarians are of Eastern European stock. Hungary's unique language could be one of the reasons that Hungarians are not falling for Zion BS.

    The US is not in danger from any W(hite) Nationalism or Supremacism. It is in danger from Z(ion) Supremacism. JFK knocked off for not allowing Israel to get nukes. RFK knocked off because he might open another JFK investigation. JFK Jr knocked for the same reason. USS Liberty on June 8 1967 was an Israel Supremacist deed. Nine Eleven, 9/11/01, was the biggest deed of Z(ion) Supremacism of all.

    Does M acknowledge all this? The world does not need Noahide fanatics worshiping the criminal state of Israel. The world needs No-Hiding Laws from Zion Crimes. The Crimes of Zion should Never Again be Hidden. Open all the books of the crimes against humanity of Zionism.

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    • Replies: @Robjil
    Another reason why the Philippines is the experimental place for Noahide villages. Duterte's wife and his children are considered Jewish.

    https://www.jpost.com/International/Controversial-leader-of-the-Philippines-leader-and-his-Jewish-ish-family-566406

    A lesser-known fact about the notorious leader is that his ex-wife of 25 years with whom he had three children is of Jewish descent.
    The father of Elizabeth Zimmerman, 70, was a German Jew who fled Nazi Germany and obtained a visa to the Philippines along with approximately 1,300 European Jews.
     
    The couple has three children, Paolo, Sara, and Sebastian who are therefore also of Jewish descent, and Sara is currently in Israel visiting with her father.
     
    https://www.noahide-academy.com/philippines-noahide-community/

    Here is a bit about the Noahide centers in the Philippines. Poor Philippines - so far from God, so close to Israel.

    What they Currently Have

    They are currently 1,580 declared Noahides all over the Philippines.
    They have 14 Community Centers in: Davao City, Cebu City, Dumaguete City, Taguig City, Cagayan City, Iligan City and other municipalities, the majority being in the Mindanao area.
    Prayer services on Saturdays the whole day with online live streaming so that other brethren can listen to the Torah Study (even if they are outside the country).
    Online lectures for the youth every Sunday from 13:00 to 15:00.
    Rabbi Nir Donfeld gives guidance through regular local classes and answering practical questions in coordination with the Noahide Academy.
    They have 25 Divine Code Books.
    They have 150 Prayer Booklets.
     
  • @anon
    "Do we have any confirmation Epstein was blackmailing politicians, and if so who?"

    He had cameras everywhere and video and pictures which have been seized ... so yeah. And who? There are lists readily available. They potentially include names like Bill Richardson and senator George Mitchell.

    "If he was blackmailing Bill Clinton, why did Bill travel with him over and over again and why was the Maxwell woman present at his daughters wedding as seen in a now famous picture. Stockholm syndrome?"

    1. He didn't know. 2. He's a sex pervert who likes young girls. Epstein had young girls all around him and flaunted it.

    "And why did Epstein have painting of Bill in Monika’s blue dress in his private quarters – something that looks like inside joke and/or even admiration on behalf of a friend?"

    Inside joke. One of Clinton's previous flings was with a woman who claimed he liked to put on her dress as a joke. Epstein bragged that people liked to tell him their secrets.

    "Prince Andrew? Isn’t he really a window dressing without influence?"

    He's a senior member of the British royal family. The British government would protect him in order to spare themselves the embarrassment. He and other royal family members are prime targets for blackmail.

    "What about the others U.S politicians Epstein had around him? Was any of them really worth blackmailing?"

    Yes. Bill Richardson is a Hispanic former governor of New Mexico, Clinton ally, and one-time speculated presidential candidate. He's the kind you'd want to get dirt on in case he won the office. Further, senator George Mitchell was involved in Middle East peace negotiations, something that directly affected Israeli security. Other blackmail targets included (potentially) a former British PM and a French president, both countries with votes on the UN Security Counsel.

    "Epstein’s philanthropy, he spent considerable money on scientists and their research. This effort could be explained by age-old phenomena. No matter how much money you have, time and old age will get you. Epstein seems to have been occupied whith this judging by some of the research he supported. How does it fit into the picture of him being Mossad or CIA spy?"

    It fits in quite nicely with him being a Mossad spy. Money = access. Otherwise, no one would ever make a campaign contribution. This is why he pretended to be a billionaire (with help from real billionaires, including a pro-Israeli one that sold him a $20 million+ mansion the in heart of America's biggest city for exactly $1); perceived wealth attracted money-hungry players to him.

    "If he was raised to wealth and influence by some intelligence operation, why was he fired from the financial institution for fraud (Bear Sterns?)"

    He was likely recruited after this point. Even if he were recruited earlier, it could have been a cover story; part of Epstein's shtick involved him being dirty, which (according to Epstein himself) made it easier for people to divulge their secrets to him. Reportedly, Epstein immediately established his own company after he left Sterns. This point marks his rise to prominence. An easy way to recruit someone is to get someone down on his luck and promise him the world in return for his services. Tellingly, Epstein's career took off after he was let go from Sterns.

    "and why is old Leslie Wexner accusing him of stealing money and assets from him."

    Deflection from negative media coverage, obviously. Wexner has yet to explain how Epstein could have tricked him out of a $20 - $70 million NYC mansion for a single dollar. He had to have known about that. I guess it's up to you if you really want to believe Epstein was such a genius that he could have tricked a pro-Israel, pro-Jewish organizer multi-billionaire out of that much money and property - reportedly up to $500 million, which isn't exactly chump change.

    "If financed by Mossad or CIA it seems such behavior would be counter productive to the operation. (whatever it might be). If old Wexner was part of the operation why did he sever ties with Epstein after the 2007 Florida trials?"

    1. It's not. The operation is now over, so it doesn't matter what he says. 2. To save his reputation, obviously. None of that means Epstein wasn't associated with Mossad or that he wasn't being helped by some members of the Jewish community. Such Jewish spy rings are common in the united states and the author of this piece has written about one of them involving a plot to steal US nuclear weapons secrets.

    "It’s far fetched Epstein was blackmailing Alan Dershowitz on behalf of Mossad (hardly needed?) so who was he blackmailing?"

    Dershowitz was his attorney. He likely wasn't being personally blackmailed.

    Well, we still don’t know what Epstein photos and video’s show. And it seems like you agree he wasn’t blackmailing Bill Clinton. If he was it would be strange for Bill to show up again and again after being threatened to be exposed for something.

    As for prince Andrew. He can hardly influence policy without involving others because he doesn’t hold any office. And involving others would mean the gig is up. Imagine if the U.K. Royal family discovers that one of it’s members is being threatened by someone pressuring for policy change for Israel. Would that be positive for Israels interests? I don’t think so.

    I suggest Epstein was running a major tax evasion scheme for Lesley Wexner and his other clients. Funneling the profits of their businesses into offshore tax havens and Epstein’s cut was buying assets from Wexner for next to nothing. This could explain why Wall Street traders didn’t know him and why so little is known about his financial operation. Perhaps Epstein controls arsenal of firms in some drawers in Cayman Island or Panama or other tax heavens. This way he could make money without being investor or trader. Uncle Sam foots the bill or the U.S. taxpayer.

  • @Paul C.
    https://illuminatisymbols.info/karl-marx-hidden-hand/

    Your evidence that Karl Marx was a Freemason is that he put his hand inside his coat. This is why nobody takes the right-wing seriously. You people are retarded. The right-wing will never succeed politically because of how stupid they are.

    • Replies: @Paul C.
    You sound a little... triggered. :) You must be pretty invested in Marx. I guess being a satanist and communist is one thing, but also being a Freemason is just too much.

    Your "right wing" (vs left wing) comment suggests you can't see the forest for the trees.

  • Staff at the Manhattan jail where Jeffrey Epstein died of suicide in his cell ‘are not cooperating’ with the Justice Department’s probe into his death
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7366843/Prison-staff-not-cooperating-Epstein-investigation.html

    “It emerged that 20 of 21 prison guard posts were filled the day before he died”

    “It also emerged that 20 of 21 prison guard posts were filled between 4pm and midnight non August 9, the day before Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell, Fox News reported.”

    “Between midnight and 8am on August 10, the day he was found unresponsive, 18 of 19 guard posts were filled.”

  • @Robjil
    That is what Zionists are trying to do to Protestants. In the Philippines, it is happening already, sadly for humanity.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-the-messianic-zionist-religion-that-wants-to-recruit-7-billion-members-1.6455144

    Cooperation between Israel and the Philippines is constantly growing, and this week reached new heights with the visit to Israel of the country’s president, Rodrigo Duterte. The Philippines are a key arena of Chabad activity, and one of the primary venues where the new religion is being disseminated. There are four Chabad centers in the country, and in addition to assisting Jews, they support 10 Noahide houses of prayer. The Hasidic emissaries view the Philippines community as the model for Noahide communities in other countries. A group from the community was brought to Israel two years ago, and its members met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has also sent his greetings to all the communities worldwide.
     
    Fatima Moubina or something like that, was always bragging about Israeli sandals being good in Yemen. Yet, Israel's soul mate Saudi Arabia is bombing and attacking Yemen as we speak. She mentioned something about Al-Qaeda like it was real. I said that it isn't real. Al-Qaeda means toilet in Arabic. It is US/Israel creation to destroy the Muslim world. She soon disappeared.

    This guy M, says the new patsies W(hite) Nationalists are real. He says Russia, Hungary and US are in danger from them. This is a fantasy of Zionists. Russia is an European and Asian nation, a Russian Federation of many peoples. Russia has Russian Federation Nationalism, just like China or Iran do for their governments. There no W(hite) fantasies in Russia. There are Russians looking over the borders at the delusions of our Zion rulers in the west. Russia has some Jewish Oligarchs but not in power for full propaganda mode like in the west.

    Hungary has Hungarian Nationalism to protect its people from invasions of people fleeing Zion based wars and coups. It is not W(hite) Nationalist or W(hite) Supremacy to protect the borders of one's nation from invasions. Hungary has an unique language which is based on a Central Asian language. It is not an Indo-European language, yet most Hungarians are of Eastern European stock. Hungary's unique language could be one of the reasons that Hungarians are not falling for Zion BS.

    The US is not in danger from any W(hite) Nationalism or Supremacism. It is in danger from Z(ion) Supremacism. JFK knocked off for not allowing Israel to get nukes. RFK knocked off because he might open another JFK investigation. JFK Jr knocked for the same reason. USS Liberty on June 8 1967 was an Israel Supremacist deed. Nine Eleven, 9/11/01, was the biggest deed of Z(ion) Supremacism of all.

    Does M acknowledge all this? The world does not need Noahide fanatics worshiping the criminal state of Israel. The world needs No-Hiding Laws from Zion Crimes. The Crimes of Zion should Never Again be Hidden. Open all the books of the crimes against humanity of Zionism.

    Interesting link.

    Something is off with his contradictory beliefs. He says he’s on our side but his core tenets are with the other side. Doesn’t add up.

    • Agree: Robjil
  • @Paul Bustion
    Karl Marx was not a Freemason. A Freemasonic website argues against the claim Marx was a Freemason, stating:

    "An avowed atheist, Heinrich Karl Marx (1818/05/05 - 1883/03/14) would not have qualified for membership. There is no record of his having joined a regular lodge. Marx’s alleged masonic link stems from his involvement with the League of the Just.
    Friederich Engels (1820-1895) helped Marx transform this socialist secret society of émigré German workers into the Communist League when they held their first congress in London in June 1847. In 1848 he and Karl Marx were authorized to draft their statement of principles, 'The Communist Manifesto.'
    Claims, such as that in None Dare Call it Conspiracy [p. 30], that this society was associated in any form with any Illuminati—or by extension, Freemasonry—are unfounded.
    The fact that almost forty years later Karl Marx’s daughter, Eleanor Morris, co-founded the Socialist League, and that the masonic fraud Theodor Reuss joined soon after [AQC Vol 91], does not prove that the earlier Communist League had anything to do with any Illuminati. Eleanor’s marriage to Theosophist lecturer and friend of Annie Besant, Edward Aveling, is also cited by Richard Wurmbrand as 'proof' that Marx was a satanist."

    The Freemasonic website this quote is from is the website of the Grand Lodge of Freemasonry in British Columbia and Yukon in Canada, in it's section "Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions
    Section 3, version 2.9" under the questions under number nine, "Was [insert name] a freemason?", in reply to the question if Karl Marx was a Freemason. Obviously Freemasons have a motive to lie and cover up Karl Marx being a Freemason if he were one, but I think they are telling the truth in this case. Even though Freemasonry is Jewish and Communism is also Jewish, they are in some ways contradictory ideologies to each other, Freemasonry is mystical and in some ways resembles the New Age, it is based on a Jewish mystical tradition called the Kabbalah, Marxism and Communism are atheist cult, they deny the existence of anything mystical and hold the mystical in contempt. So I think it is highly unlikely Karl Marx was a Freemason. The Jewish Communist regime in Russia outlawed Freemasonry immediately after coming to power, this is stated by Martin Short in his book about Freemasonry, "Inside the Brotherhood: Further Secrets of the Freemasons," if I remember correctly Short stated this in the beginning of the chapter about the relationship between Freemasonry and espionage agencies, "Spooks in Aprons".
    • Replies: @Paul Bustion
    Your evidence that Karl Marx was a Freemason is that he put his hand inside his coat. This is why nobody takes the right-wing seriously. You people are retarded. The right-wing will never succeed politically because of how stupid they are.
  • Interview with Whitney Webb

    Also interesting facts (*) on Donald Barr
    https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/donald-barr/

    Including the one that he wrote and published a sci-fi novel in 1973.

  • @Paul C.
    From your 2nd link:

    Jesus the Pharisee: A New Look at the Jewishness of Jesus by Harvey Falk

    The general thesis is that Jesus and Paul both were devout Jews affiliated with the School of Hillel
    and the Essenes, both of which believed Jews should reach out to Gentiles and attempt to convert
    them to the Noahide Principles to supplant their idolatry and paganism.
     
    If you believe this, you're more deluded than the Christian's who listen to their zionist controlled ($) pastors.

    That is what Zionists are trying to do to Protestants. In the Philippines, it is happening already, sadly for humanity.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-the-messianic-zionist-religion-that-wants-to-recruit-7-billion-members-1.6455144

    Cooperation between Israel and the Philippines is constantly growing, and this week reached new heights with the visit to Israel of the country’s president, Rodrigo Duterte. The Philippines are a key arena of Chabad activity, and one of the primary venues where the new religion is being disseminated. There are four Chabad centers in the country, and in addition to assisting Jews, they support 10 Noahide houses of prayer. The Hasidic emissaries view the Philippines community as the model for Noahide communities in other countries. A group from the community was brought to Israel two years ago, and its members met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has also sent his greetings to all the communities worldwide.

    Fatima Moubina or something like that, was always bragging about Israeli sandals being good in Yemen. Yet, Israel’s soul mate Saudi Arabia is bombing and attacking Yemen as we speak. She mentioned something about Al-Qaeda like it was real. I said that it isn’t real. Al-Qaeda means toilet in Arabic. It is US/Israel creation to destroy the Muslim world. She soon disappeared.

    This guy M, says the new patsies W(hite) Nationalists are real. He says Russia, Hungary and US are in danger from them. This is a fantasy of Zionists. Russia is an European and Asian nation, a Russian Federation of many peoples. Russia has Russian Federation Nationalism, just like China or Iran do for their governments. There no W(hite) fantasies in Russia. There are Russians looking over the borders at the delusions of our Zion rulers in the west. Russia has some Jewish Oligarchs but not in power for full propaganda mode like in the west.

    Hungary has Hungarian Nationalism to protect its people from invasions of people fleeing Zion based wars and coups. It is not W(hite) Nationalist or W(hite) Supremacy to protect the borders of one’s nation from invasions. Hungary has an unique language which is based on a Central Asian language. It is not an Indo-European language, yet most Hungarians are of Eastern European stock. Hungary’s unique language could be one of the reasons that Hungarians are not falling for Zion BS.

    The US is not in danger from any W(hite) Nationalism or Supremacism. It is in danger from Z(ion) Supremacism. JFK knocked off for not allowing Israel to get nukes. RFK knocked off because he might open another JFK investigation. JFK Jr knocked for the same reason. USS Liberty on June 8 1967 was an Israel Supremacist deed. Nine Eleven, 9/11/01, was the biggest deed of Z(ion) Supremacism of all.

    Does M acknowledge all this? The world does not need Noahide fanatics worshiping the criminal state of Israel. The world needs No-Hiding Laws from Zion Crimes. The Crimes of Zion should Never Again be Hidden. Open all the books of the crimes against humanity of Zionism.

    • Replies: @Paul C.
    Interesting link.

    Something is off with his contradictory beliefs. He says he's on our side but his core tenets are with the other side. Doesn't add up.
    , @geokat62
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  • @geokat62
    https://twitter.com/boseph_returns/status/1162722733702242304?s=21

    Lots Of (Gallows) Laughs, geo, thank you.

    With toilet paper roll anchor, hanging-suicide by a Cascade poop product. (Zigh)

  • @Paul C.

    This book by a University of Chicago Jewish Economist who is married to a black woman professor at the same University argues that black slaves were actually much better off than after Emancipation when they would be employed at wage slave Levels.
     
    The Jewish professor exalts the virtues of the Jewish slave trade. What a surprise.

    The rich want to turn the world into a borderless economy where all workers can be employed at the same destitute levels &the rich can Control everyone.
     
    Why don't you name the rich? These are the jewish/ zionist bankers who created and control the illegal Centrals Banks with their usury and fiat currencies that enslave the general populations with debt and taxes. The Talmud explains this. The goy are their slaves. And yes they want to erase borders and are the biggest proponents of "open borders" and are facilitating mass immigration. They want to erase the homogeneity and individual culture of each nation. They want to demoralize Christians and start a conflict between the 3rd world immigrants and the native populations. Order out of chaos.

    Ethnic racial &class conflict is a smokescreen for the rich to distract us from their pillaging the economy Exactly as Paul Krugman argues.
     
    This is what the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion tells us. Divide and conquer. Keep the masses distracted with nonsense, like the democrat vs republican talking points. Like the fake news and fake mass shootings. It's all kabuki theater.

    More and more Karl Marx’s analysis looks correct.
     
    It's interesting that you claim to be a Christian yet support a satanic, Freemason Jew who is anti-Christ. Very curious.

    Karl Marx was not a Freemason. A Freemasonic website argues against the claim Marx was a Freemason, stating:

    “An avowed atheist, Heinrich Karl Marx (1818/05/05 – 1883/03/14) would not have qualified for membership. There is no record of his having joined a regular lodge. Marx’s alleged masonic link stems from his involvement with the League of the Just.
    Friederich Engels (1820-1895) helped Marx transform this socialist secret society of émigré German workers into the Communist League when they held their first congress in London in June 1847. In 1848 he and Karl Marx were authorized to draft their statement of principles, ‘The Communist Manifesto.’
    Claims, such as that in None Dare Call it Conspiracy [p. 30], that this society was associated in any form with any Illuminati—or by extension, Freemasonry—are unfounded.
    The fact that almost forty years later Karl Marx’s daughter, Eleanor Morris, co-founded the Socialist League, and that the masonic fraud Theodor Reuss joined soon after [AQC Vol 91], does not prove that the earlier Communist League had anything to do with any Illuminati. Eleanor’s marriage to Theosophist lecturer and friend of Annie Besant, Edward Aveling, is also cited by Richard Wurmbrand as ‘proof’ that Marx was a satanist.”

    The Freemasonic website this quote is from is the website of the Grand Lodge of Freemasonry in British Columbia and Yukon in Canada, in it’s section “Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions
    Section 3, version 2.9” under the questions under number nine, “Was [insert name] a freemason?”, in reply to the question if Karl Marx was a Freemason. Obviously Freemasons have a motive to lie and cover up Karl Marx being a Freemason if he were one, but I think they are telling the truth in this case. Even though Freemasonry is Jewish and Communism is also Jewish, they are in some ways contradictory ideologies to each other, Freemasonry is mystical and in some ways resembles the New Age, it is based on a Jewish mystical tradition called the Kabbalah, Marxism and Communism are atheist cult, they deny the existence of anything mystical and hold the mystical in contempt. So I think it is highly unlikely Karl Marx was a Freemason. The Jewish Communist regime in Russia outlawed Freemasonry immediately after coming to power, this is stated by Martin Short in his book about Freemasonry, “Inside the Brotherhood: Further Secrets of the Freemasons,” if I remember correctly Short stated this in the beginning of the chapter about the relationship between Freemasonry and espionage agencies, “Spooks in Aprons”.

    • Disagree: Kartoffelstampfer
    • Replies: @Paul C.
    https://illuminatisymbols.info/karl-marx-hidden-hand/
  • • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    Lots Of (Gallows) Laughs, geo, thank you.

    With toilet paper roll anchor, hanging-suicide by a Cascade poop product. (Zigh)
  • @Counterinsurgency
    Other systems are no better. Centralized states (all rule from the capitol) are often far worse. See: Suvorov, _The Chief Culprit_. Free enterprise can (which you call "captalism", at least in some circumstances, be much better than that. As a (bad) slogan, capitalism is better than capitolism.

    You are as superior to the capitalists as Pol Pot was superior to the capitalists -- making noise about the mote in your opponent's eye and never considering the plank in your own eye.

    Counterinsurgency

    “See: Suvorov, _The Chief Culprit_.

    — This author stinks, and badly.
    According to Wikipedia, Viktor Suvorov’s real last name is Rezun. He is a Ukrainian who has assumed, unscrupulously, the name of a famous Russian military hero Alexander Suvorov. Just imagine for a sec that some French turncoat to the UK takes on the name of Napoleon.

    After attending the Military Diplomatic Academy from 1971 to 1974, Suvorov [Rezun] joined the Soviet mission to the United Nations Office at Geneva, working undercover for the Soviet military intelligence service (GRU)… On 10 June 1978, Suvorov [Rezun] defected to the United Kingdom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov

    Mr. Suvorov-Rezun is cherished by western media for his highly critical attitude towards Putin. Mr. Suvorov-Rezun is particularly upset with Russia’s involvement in Syria.

    Similar to the renowned Mr. Eliot Higgins, Mr. Suvorov-Rezun relies, according to his own words, on open sources: https://112.international/interview/west-so-cautious-about-russia-because-of-one-thing-nuclear-power-but-this-nuclear-power-is-bluff-18521.html

    The fact is that all the materials that I fill my books with are open sources.

    Unsurprisingly, “the works by Suvorov remain a matter of debate among historians.”

    For a person with the nom de plume of the famous Russian hero, Suvorov-Rezun exhibits unordinary (though profitable) hatred towards Russia and Russians.

    The Haaretz provided this morsel of information about Mr. Rezun (?):

    …a few years ago Shauli read “Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War,” by Bogdan Rozen. Rozen, who now lives in England, wrote it under the pseudonym of Viktor Suvorov. https://www.haaretz.com/1.4967618

    This brings some clarity to the whole situation with Rezun-Rozen-Suvorov.

  • @Mevashir
    Thanks. Beautiful icon.

    Is Dormition the same as the Catholic Assumption?

    Today also India's Independence Day.

    The Apostle Thomas is India's patron saint and much of southern India is Catholic.

    An Orthodox reflection on Mary…

    In pure faith, O holy Theotokos,
    You said Yes to the angel, mighty arm of Light,
    Giving birth to the Church Katholikos,
    That all might be reborn in Jesus’ love and right.

    Shalom

  • @Mevashir
    https://www.google.com/search?q=time+on+the+cross+pdf&oq=time+on+a+cross+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.12097j0j7&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

    This book by a University of Chicago Jewish Economist who is married to a black woman professor at the same University argues that black slaves were actually much better off than after Emancipation when they would be employed at wage slave Levels. Slaves in the South, because they were a large investment to the owners, were provided with housing clothing and Medical Care. None of this was available to them after they journeyed to the North after the Civil War ended and lived in horrible ghettos.

    The rich want to turn the world into a borderless economy where all workers can be employed at the same destitute levels &the rich can Control everyone.

    Ethnic racial &class conflict is a smokescreen for the rich to distract us from their pillaging the economy Exactly as Paul Krugman argues.

    More and more Karl Marx's analysis looks correct. You should see this article by a professor at Notre Dame University on Christianity and communism: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/opinion/sunday/christianity-communism.html

    This book by a University of Chicago Jewish Economist who is married to a black woman professor at the same University argues that black slaves were actually much better off than after Emancipation when they would be employed at wage slave Levels.

    The Jewish professor exalts the virtues of the Jewish slave trade. What a surprise.

    The rich want to turn the world into a borderless economy where all workers can be employed at the same destitute levels &the rich can Control everyone.

    Why don’t you name the rich? These are the jewish/ zionist bankers who created and control the illegal Centrals Banks with their usury and fiat currencies that enslave the general populations with debt and taxes. The Talmud explains this. The goy are their slaves. And yes they want to erase borders and are the biggest proponents of “open borders” and are facilitating mass immigration. They want to erase the homogeneity and individual culture of each nation. They want to demoralize Christians and start a conflict between the 3rd world immigrants and the native populations. Order out of chaos.

    Ethnic racial &class conflict is a smokescreen for the rich to distract us from their pillaging the economy Exactly as Paul Krugman argues.

    This is what the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion tells us. Divide and conquer. Keep the masses distracted with nonsense, like the democrat vs republican talking points. Like the fake news and fake mass shootings. It’s all kabuki theater.

    More and more Karl Marx’s analysis looks correct.

    It’s interesting that you claim to be a Christian yet support a satanic, Freemason Jew who is anti-Christ. Very curious.

    • Replies: @Paul Bustion
    Karl Marx was not a Freemason. A Freemasonic website argues against the claim Marx was a Freemason, stating:

    "An avowed atheist, Heinrich Karl Marx (1818/05/05 - 1883/03/14) would not have qualified for membership. There is no record of his having joined a regular lodge. Marx’s alleged masonic link stems from his involvement with the League of the Just.
    Friederich Engels (1820-1895) helped Marx transform this socialist secret society of émigré German workers into the Communist League when they held their first congress in London in June 1847. In 1848 he and Karl Marx were authorized to draft their statement of principles, 'The Communist Manifesto.'
    Claims, such as that in None Dare Call it Conspiracy [p. 30], that this society was associated in any form with any Illuminati—or by extension, Freemasonry—are unfounded.
    The fact that almost forty years later Karl Marx’s daughter, Eleanor Morris, co-founded the Socialist League, and that the masonic fraud Theodor Reuss joined soon after [AQC Vol 91], does not prove that the earlier Communist League had anything to do with any Illuminati. Eleanor’s marriage to Theosophist lecturer and friend of Annie Besant, Edward Aveling, is also cited by Richard Wurmbrand as 'proof' that Marx was a satanist."

    The Freemasonic website this quote is from is the website of the Grand Lodge of Freemasonry in British Columbia and Yukon in Canada, in it's section "Anti-masonry Frequently Asked Questions
    Section 3, version 2.9" under the questions under number nine, "Was [insert name] a freemason?", in reply to the question if Karl Marx was a Freemason. Obviously Freemasons have a motive to lie and cover up Karl Marx being a Freemason if he were one, but I think they are telling the truth in this case. Even though Freemasonry is Jewish and Communism is also Jewish, they are in some ways contradictory ideologies to each other, Freemasonry is mystical and in some ways resembles the New Age, it is based on a Jewish mystical tradition called the Kabbalah, Marxism and Communism are atheist cult, they deny the existence of anything mystical and hold the mystical in contempt. So I think it is highly unlikely Karl Marx was a Freemason. The Jewish Communist regime in Russia outlawed Freemasonry immediately after coming to power, this is stated by Martin Short in his book about Freemasonry, "Inside the Brotherhood: Further Secrets of the Freemasons," if I remember correctly Short stated this in the beginning of the chapter about the relationship between Freemasonry and espionage agencies, "Spooks in Aprons".
    , @Twodees Partain
    "It’s interesting that you claim to be a Christian yet support a satanic, Freemason Jew who is anti-Christ. Very curious."

    Good catch, Paul. What's also curious to me is that people here who seemed sane for years suddenly began fawning over this troll. It appears that your questioning of him started soon after he appeared. I admire your discernment.
  • @Mevashir

    Professor Doctor James Tour
     
    Tour is a Messianic Jewish believer in Jesus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNGLZvtRoiU&list=PLXiBkdTbRi-wmDEU85JJcZbqDw8RoOxOc&index=2

    I have exchanged emails with him.

    I could barely get through the first minute of this mashugana. He’s a very important person, if you don’t believe me, just ask him. 🙂

  • @Mevashir
    This is an online link to my Testimonial. Check out page 44 about my first encounter with an Orthodox icon: https://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/ePm5DQAoce

    This is a review of a book about Jesus and Paul by an Orthodox rabbi. This is what I like to write about: https://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/0absEf91ce

    This is a link about an amazing code based on the letters of Jesus' Hebrew name Yeshua (keep refreshing until text is fully resolved): http://yahuwallah.blogspot.com/2016/11/shir-mevashir-yeshua-singvangelists.html

    If you wish to see more of my writings, please email me at: [email protected]

    From your 2nd link:

    Jesus the Pharisee: A New Look at the Jewishness of Jesus by Harvey Falk

    The general thesis is that Jesus and Paul both were devout Jews affiliated with the School of Hillel
    and the Essenes, both of which believed Jews should reach out to Gentiles and attempt to convert
    them to the Noahide Principles to supplant their idolatry and paganism.

    If you believe this, you’re more deluded than the Christian’s who listen to their zionist controlled ($) pastors.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    That is what Zionists are trying to do to Protestants. In the Philippines, it is happening already, sadly for humanity.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-the-messianic-zionist-religion-that-wants-to-recruit-7-billion-members-1.6455144

    Cooperation between Israel and the Philippines is constantly growing, and this week reached new heights with the visit to Israel of the country’s president, Rodrigo Duterte. The Philippines are a key arena of Chabad activity, and one of the primary venues where the new religion is being disseminated. There are four Chabad centers in the country, and in addition to assisting Jews, they support 10 Noahide houses of prayer. The Hasidic emissaries view the Philippines community as the model for Noahide communities in other countries. A group from the community was brought to Israel two years ago, and its members met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has also sent his greetings to all the communities worldwide.
     
    Fatima Moubina or something like that, was always bragging about Israeli sandals being good in Yemen. Yet, Israel's soul mate Saudi Arabia is bombing and attacking Yemen as we speak. She mentioned something about Al-Qaeda like it was real. I said that it isn't real. Al-Qaeda means toilet in Arabic. It is US/Israel creation to destroy the Muslim world. She soon disappeared.

    This guy M, says the new patsies W(hite) Nationalists are real. He says Russia, Hungary and US are in danger from them. This is a fantasy of Zionists. Russia is an European and Asian nation, a Russian Federation of many peoples. Russia has Russian Federation Nationalism, just like China or Iran do for their governments. There no W(hite) fantasies in Russia. There are Russians looking over the borders at the delusions of our Zion rulers in the west. Russia has some Jewish Oligarchs but not in power for full propaganda mode like in the west.

    Hungary has Hungarian Nationalism to protect its people from invasions of people fleeing Zion based wars and coups. It is not W(hite) Nationalist or W(hite) Supremacy to protect the borders of one's nation from invasions. Hungary has an unique language which is based on a Central Asian language. It is not an Indo-European language, yet most Hungarians are of Eastern European stock. Hungary's unique language could be one of the reasons that Hungarians are not falling for Zion BS.

    The US is not in danger from any W(hite) Nationalism or Supremacism. It is in danger from Z(ion) Supremacism. JFK knocked off for not allowing Israel to get nukes. RFK knocked off because he might open another JFK investigation. JFK Jr knocked for the same reason. USS Liberty on June 8 1967 was an Israel Supremacist deed. Nine Eleven, 9/11/01, was the biggest deed of Z(ion) Supremacism of all.

    Does M acknowledge all this? The world does not need Noahide fanatics worshiping the criminal state of Israel. The world needs No-Hiding Laws from Zion Crimes. The Crimes of Zion should Never Again be Hidden. Open all the books of the crimes against humanity of Zionism.
  • @Ahoy
    @ geokat62

    He says "Reminds one the Titanic going down and rearranging deck chairs".

    Great line my brother! Stark picture of today's effort by concerned Americans what to do to get out of the dire situation the country is in.

    Lots of proposals, lots of diatribes but nobody sees the 15% homeless, that Baltimore, Portland, LA, Detroit, et. al., are shit holes. The beat goes on, the Red or the Blue pill? Which is better?

    As they say in my village "Lots of butter in the frying pan but no pancake".

    Stay strong and healthy my brother!

    Stay strong and healthy my brother!

    Thanks, Ahoy. Same to you.

  • @Mevashir

    In the US they have more guns than people, but they use them to shoot students and innocent people. Why do they fight for gun rights when they don’t have the balls to use them on who they need to use them on! Ahoy, thank you for remembering me, because I remember your comments, too.
     
    So true mi amigo.

    The NRA people are a joke. All those guns and ammo and never once have they called up their 20 million members to encircle DC. I mean is there a lack of treasonous issues they could rally around?

    No, for these boys guns are an expensive phallic symbol, and big boy pacifier, to make them feel macho.

    But as you point out, they will only use them on innocent unarmed civilians in restaurants, stores, churches, synagogues, etc.

    Cowards and fakes all of them.

    They don't understand that purchasing guns and ammo benefits one group and one group only. The tribe that runs Wall Street.

    N ational
    R etards
    A ssociation

    The NRA people are a joke. All those guns and ammo and never once have they called up their 20 million members to encircle DC. I mean is there a lack of treasonous issues they could rally around?

    No, there’s no lack of treasonous issues. The challenge is making the members and the American people aware of what’s really going on. Your insidious tribe controls the media and therefore controls the lies keeping everyone in the dark. It’s sites like this that give us a chance to awaken others and strategize.

    But as you point out, they will only use them on innocent unarmed civilians in restaurants, stores, churches, synagogues, etc.

    Cowards and fakes all of them.

    I see you’ve bought in to the MSM & gov’t narrative regarding the mass shootings. This is the same media that reported the collapse of Building 7 before its collapse and then never mentioned it again. That a 49 story steel frame building can collapse in 7 seconds can only occur from a controlled demolition. The MSM interviewed the 9/11 First Responders on 9/11 only and what did they say? Bombs, bomb and bombs. There’s video, audio and seismic evidence of this. But this flies in the face of the phony Gov’t / MSM narrative. As a result, there’s been a media blackout to the First Responders reporting of what they heard and saw that day.

    This is the media you trust? You’re absolutely blinded to the truth.

    They don’t understand that purchasing guns and ammo benefits one group and one group only. The tribe that runs Wall Street.

    N ational
    R etards
    A ssociation

    I guess I don’t understand it either. How is purchasing guns benefitting the Tribe? The Tribe is working feverishly to outlaw guns, such as the AR 15. They fear the day when the public learns of their treasonous activities, thus they’re doing all they can to disarm us, like they did in Russia and we know what happened to the Christians in Russia. Being armed is our civic duty. These mass shootings are Gladio styled events engineered to enslave us further by taking aways our rights and freedoms.

  • @Mevashir
    Socialism also allows choices. You are the one being dishonest.

    Nordic countries have socialism and are consistently rated as highest on the happiness index, with the US far far below. The US also is low on the list on many other quality of life measures. The inequality here is on the level of a third world nation.

    You have taken a very narrow definition of Capitalism and ignored all its evils.

    Most of the choices we have in Capitalism are artificial choices created by slick mind control advertising agencies. That's why you need a spiritual perspective. All great spiritual leaders (Jewish Christian Muslim Buddhist) teach that human desires are infinite and the more we indulge them the more we are unhappy and dissatisfied. That's why the American Declaration of Independence slogan "the pursuit of happiness" is so fatuous. Spiritual people are taught to pursue righteousness and virtue, and happiness might ensue as a by product.

    Why is that so hard for you to see?

    You seem like an intelligent man, yet you blow smoke about these limitations and deficiencies of the Capitalist system.

    What about externalities?

    The tobacco industry uses slick advertising and manipulates nicotine levels to addict the public. But the health consequences get shoved onto the taxpayers as Medicare has to grapple with the lung cancers, diabetes, emphysemia and other smoking related maladies.

    What about the auto industry buying up mass transit systems and trashing them to perpetuate our addiction to cars?

    What about reports that people who invented 200 mpg carbeurators were intimidated to keep silent or had their patents purchased and then trashed to perpetuate our dependence on low mileage high fuel burning vehicles?

    What about our fee for profit medical system, which is incentivized to treat and perpetuate illness rather than to invest in prevention?

    The examples are countless.

    As far as your claim that Capitalism allows us to live like kings, surely you jest! Unless kings have high poverty rates, indebtedness, suicide, poor health, no vacation time, etc etc, then perhaps our society makes us all royals!

    The real problem with Capitalism is a moral problem: that power corrupts. Since the goal of Capitalism is to frantically amass money, the wealthy become more corrupt and corrupt the system as they use their money to buy off politicians. And these people are also unhappy, since the pursuit of happiness divorced from virtue and righteousness always leads to unhappiness and misery.

    I thought the purpose of this site is to question authority. The people who comment here do not trust experts and authorities, since their judgment is so often clouded by their financial interests, their source of funding etc. If you are not willing to ask hard questions about the problems proliferating all around us, why are you here on this site anyway?

    I sadly conclude you are a troll for someone like Buffett or the Kochs.

    And I pray that the other readers here will see through your deceptive cynical and ruthless game.

    The real problem with Capitalism is a moral problem: that power corrupts. Since the goal of Capitalism is to frantically amass money, the wealthy become more corrupt and corrupt the system as they use their money to buy off politicians. And these people are also unhappy, since the pursuit of happiness divorced from virtue and righteousness always leads to unhappiness and misery.

    Agreed that the ethical dimension to society is most important. And it comes in two parts 1) participation in formal religion with the acceptance of ethical rules* 2) the need for a society to apply it to, as in a group of ethnically homogeneous people living in their historic birthplace.

    * It doesn’t really matter if you believe the religious myths. It’s enough to subscribe to the morality. Also, if the whole population is going to be included, it needs to be well organized and simple to understand.

  • @ geokat62

    He says “Reminds one the Titanic going down and rearranging deck chairs”.

    Great line my brother! Stark picture of today’s effort by concerned Americans what to do to get out of the dire situation the country is in.

    Lots of proposals, lots of diatribes but nobody sees the 15% homeless, that Baltimore, Portland, LA, Detroit, et. al., are shit holes. The beat goes on, the Red or the Blue pill? Which is better?

    As they say in my village “Lots of butter in the frying pan but no pancake”.

    Stay strong and healthy my brother!

    • Replies: @geokat62

    Stay strong and healthy my brother!
     
    Thanks, Ahoy. Same to you.
  • @Mevashir

    You’re correct, I don’t like hearing you speak about a subject you don’t understand but are pretending you do. You made incorrect claims re: what capitalism is and redefined it to something it is not. It’s dishonest and disingenuous.
     
    I apologize for being so acerbic. I will explain to you my background and you can decide whether I have any authority to speak on this subject.

    I have a BA degree in Economics from Harvard, Class of 1980. Caroline Kennedy was my classmate.

    I took an elective course in Libertarian Economics, based on Austrian theory. The graduate student TF argued that we should abolish the FDA and allow the "free market" to regulate drugs. How? If people get sick and die from a bad drug, they can always sue the pharmaceutical company for damages. Tort law and criminal law suffices to keep the system honest.

    After my graduation I spent 20 years involved in theological studies, first of Judaism and then of Christianity (with a smaller focus on Islam). Apart from yeshiva education in Israel, I am self taught about the latter two faiths.

    I certainly do not have the academic pedigrees of the big name Austrian economists. However I have read widely and gathered and synthesized information from a wide range of sources.

    My impression today is that under our "Capitalist" system, rich people basically are constantly hunting for investments to increase their profits. They are loyal to no one person, no one society, no one community, no one political system. They don't care about labor but see it simply as a commodity to exploit for profit. That's why the Wall St. money managers encouraged/forced American businesses to offshore their manufacturing to Asia, where they can avail themselves of cheap sweatshop labor, avoid environmental regulations, pensions, worker compensation, sick leave, maternity pay, vacation pay etc.

    Workers are essentially race horses for the rich to place their bets on. (Or dogs to fight to the death, all for the pleasure of the gambling investor class.)

    Stocks used to mean a commitment to the company in question. Stock holder meetings would keep people informed. Today stocks are traded using complex algorithms in speeds of nanoseconds. It is purely a sophisticated gambling venture. There is no commitment to overarching social goals. That's why a planned economy like China is now leading the world in renewable energy sources, high speed rail, and many other things because the central planners force the business class to cooperate, something not possible in our Corporate Welfare system, whose motto is private gain (when the company profits) / public pain (when the company loses money).

    If you are impressed with such a cynical and ruthless system, then I have nothing further to say to you except perhaps look into your heart and ask God if this is the best we can do as a society.

    I call our system Cancer Capitalism, because like cancer it proliferates without boundaries until it kills the organism.

    I think this analysis of Capitalism by David Bentley Hart of Notre Dame is accurate:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism

    Here is just one small excerpt from this impressive article:

    The very least that one must concede is that capitalism “works.” That is, it produces enormous wealth, and adapts itself with remarkable plasticity to even the most abrupt changes of cultural and material circumstances. When it has faltered, here or there, it has evolved new mechanisms for preventing the same mistake from being made again. It does not bring about a just distribution of wealth, of course; nor could it. A capitalist society not only tolerates, but positively requires, the existence of a pauper class, not only as a reserve of labor value, but also because capitalism relies on a stable credit economy, and a credit economy requires a certain supply of perennial debtors whose poverty – through predatory lending and interest practices – can be converted into capital for their creditors. The perpetual insolvency of the working poor and lower-middle class is an inexhaustible font of profits for the institutions upon which the investment class depends.
     

    You are a secular Jew who is at least honest and revealing.

    “The Founders were godless revolutionaries”.

    This is so fatuous as to not warrant further mention.

    Socialism is Communism- Joseph Stalin. He ought to know. Jews have a congenital or genetic skew toward both of these greatly overlapping economic AND social systems. For years, I was inculcated with the view that activist Jews agitated for such Leftist Fascism motivated to help the Working Man, The Little Guy, etc, etc. Now I know better.

    There is no Left or Right, Socialism or Capitalism Schism here, as you falsely, digitally, simplistically put it. Ariana Fallaci said, “Had Marxism not be CREATED (not discovered), it would not exist, because it is synthetic and artificial.”

    Here is the probable reason for you proselytizing for socialism: It is a system that is “top-down”, command control, smaller number of people directing large numbers. It arbitrarily redistributes earned wealth among the commonweal based on certain “principles”, which are large casuistry and saccharine. Socialism deviates from Natural Law and Order, i.e., Nature in that its agency and enterprise follow abstract ideas that come from the ether or are wholly made up for emotional appeal.

    Jews are naturally pre-disposed and pre-loaded to grab these positions of arbitrary power, as people of infinite motivation to deceive, pander, sugar coat, flatter, and manipulate the “Other”. As an AMORAL people, the only credo or motive is to win; the end justifies the means. The childish “chose between one or the other, Capitalism versus Socialism, is for suckers, sucks, the weak minded, and the young.

    Pure capitalism has always existed. Hunter gathers exchanged goods that represented “capital” or stored work. Village markets the same. The introduction of money is supposed to represent those goods without them being in situ, on the spot. When that becomes unattached to the goods, that is corruption. This fiat, based on nothing currency, is a system created and dominated by Jews, who then pander and peddle the “corruption of Capitalism”.

    Finally, Capitalism practiced properly, in a moral (better, Buddhist) society is prevented from being used as leverage against the well being and lives of other people by the internal and collective consciousness of the citizens. There are more CHOICES IN LIVE under Capitalism.

    Socialism is collectivism. The bigger the State, the smaller the individual. Merit and performance are diminished and mediocrity and sloth are promoted due to “equal outcomes”.

    But enough. I believe you know all of this, and the actual is not in the forefront of your dialectic. I believe you are just another Piece of Shit, Jew in this case, who advocates authoritarian and central control whose Tribe is most likely to be the Elite and Directors, Predators versus Prey. Like that supermarket chain that got caught selling old beef that turned brown and putting red dye on the outside to mimic fresh blood, you are selling stale, putrid, fetid, rubbish and sewage.

    Anything you write from here on will be so suspect as agitprop that I hope you decamp and do not return.

  • @Mevashir
    Socialism also allows choices. You are the one being dishonest.

    Nordic countries have socialism and are consistently rated as highest on the happiness index, with the US far far below. The US also is low on the list on many other quality of life measures. The inequality here is on the level of a third world nation.

    You have taken a very narrow definition of Capitalism and ignored all its evils.

    Most of the choices we have in Capitalism are artificial choices created by slick mind control advertising agencies. That's why you need a spiritual perspective. All great spiritual leaders (Jewish Christian Muslim Buddhist) teach that human desires are infinite and the more we indulge them the more we are unhappy and dissatisfied. That's why the American Declaration of Independence slogan "the pursuit of happiness" is so fatuous. Spiritual people are taught to pursue righteousness and virtue, and happiness might ensue as a by product.

    Why is that so hard for you to see?

    You seem like an intelligent man, yet you blow smoke about these limitations and deficiencies of the Capitalist system.

    What about externalities?

    The tobacco industry uses slick advertising and manipulates nicotine levels to addict the public. But the health consequences get shoved onto the taxpayers as Medicare has to grapple with the lung cancers, diabetes, emphysemia and other smoking related maladies.

    What about the auto industry buying up mass transit systems and trashing them to perpetuate our addiction to cars?

    What about reports that people who invented 200 mpg carbeurators were intimidated to keep silent or had their patents purchased and then trashed to perpetuate our dependence on low mileage high fuel burning vehicles?

    What about our fee for profit medical system, which is incentivized to treat and perpetuate illness rather than to invest in prevention?

    The examples are countless.

    As far as your claim that Capitalism allows us to live like kings, surely you jest! Unless kings have high poverty rates, indebtedness, suicide, poor health, no vacation time, etc etc, then perhaps our society makes us all royals!

    The real problem with Capitalism is a moral problem: that power corrupts. Since the goal of Capitalism is to frantically amass money, the wealthy become more corrupt and corrupt the system as they use their money to buy off politicians. And these people are also unhappy, since the pursuit of happiness divorced from virtue and righteousness always leads to unhappiness and misery.

    I thought the purpose of this site is to question authority. The people who comment here do not trust experts and authorities, since their judgment is so often clouded by their financial interests, their source of funding etc. If you are not willing to ask hard questions about the problems proliferating all around us, why are you here on this site anyway?

    I sadly conclude you are a troll for someone like Buffett or the Kochs.

    And I pray that the other readers here will see through your deceptive cynical and ruthless game.

    Socialism also allows choices. You are the one being dishonest.

    I just went for my morning mikveh and had some more ideas to share with you. I hope this will be my last comment on UNZ, because I see it morphing into a playground for the American CCCP crowd: Crony Cancer Capitalist Perversion.

    Yes it’s good to have choices. But even the CCCPs admit that choice is not unlimited. For example, most of them agree that murder cannot be permitted. And narcotics should not be available without prescriptions. Many of the Fundie CCCPs want to ban abortion and remove that option for poor single women unable to cope with pregnancy. Most all of them agree to prohibit prostitution and non heterosexual behavior.

    So it appears that even extreme CCCPs would agree that some choices cannot be allowed in a civil society.

    My argument is that many of the “choices” inflicted on us by the CCCP system we currently live under are dangerous and destructive. Is there virtue in having 500 cable tv channels? No, but psychologists will tell you that it’s good for sales since constant television watching increases human alienation that can only be alleviated by purchasing worthless material goods. The same is true for the other electronic devices we have become mass addicted to.

    A healthy society understands the need to restrict some human choices as deleterious to the rest of society. The Orthodox Jews prohibit owning and watching television because they understand it threatens their cultural and religious values. They do this without an afterthought even though it eliminates a big source of “choice”.

    Another thing: when you support a medical system that maximizes your freedom to shop around for a doctor, hospital, etc, you are also choosing a system that excludes a huge part of the population because of economic exigencies. That is as much a part of your “choice” as your precious freedom to choose your own medical services.

    I go to a low income medical and dental clinic. I have no choice whatsoever who will be seeing me when I have an appointment. And I don’t care a whit, because I am grateful to be able to see anyone at all. And in the three years I have been using these services, my quality of life and health have improved markedly for which I am very thankful.

    Ever hear the expression: Live Simply … so others may simply live!

    That’s what is important to me in the consideration of a socio-economic system, and I would say America’s system of CCCP fails dramatically in this vital consideration of the Common Good.

    I have met some people on this site with whom I have exchanged email addresses and now feel UNZ no longer is useful for me. I am sure many of you will be glad to hear that I intend to move on.

    BlesSings to you all.

    In Jesus’ Name, Amen.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Yeah, well...don't let the doorknob hit you where the good lord split you. Troll.
  • @Vicky Weird
    The death of Epstein is being reported as an apparent suicide.

    Suicide is not an option for an inmate in jail under suicide watch. Those inmates are under 24 hour surveillance with no means to commit suicide.

    Reporters claiming Epstein committed suicide seem to be following orders from Jews in high places.

    There are 2 likely scenarios for what really happened –

    1. Epstein was murdered by order of Jews in high places.

    2. Epstein's death is fake and Epstein will live under a new identity.

    One thing is clear, the Jews Media will never reveal the whole truth about Epstein. Vicky Ward seems to be part of the controlled opposition media spin on the Epstein debacle.

    Amazing Polly has a good video on how Vicky Ward is hooked up with Epstein's pimpess Ghislaine Maxwell at the link below -

    Vicky Ward ties to Jeff Epstein -
    www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=192925
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVXwXN8bNMI

    Vicky Ward is a guest on CNN sometimes which is more evidence that Ward shouldn't be trusted.

    [ There are 2 likely scenarios for what really happened
    1. Epstein was murdered by order of Jews in high places.
    2. Epstein’s death is fake and Epstein will live under a new identity. ]

    You are absolutely right.
    I believe most likely the second scenario. Epstein is somewhere in israel with a new identity.

    How hard is for the goyim to understand that Jews control the USA and to an extension the rest of the World, or almost the rest of then world.
    On 9/11/2001 knock down three highscrapes in NY, they open a hole WHERE???? in the Pentagon (where ….bugs prohibited to fly) and under the pretext of terrorism since 2003, they are pulverizing the Arab countries of the Middle East for the benefit of the terrorist entity so called israel.

    And now, we are talking about a pedophile Jew, whether he committed suicide or they spirited him in the headquarters of the World criminals, like SOMEONE who years ago, said:

    ‘…While the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there, for all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states, a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.’

  • @Counterinsurgency
    Other systems are no better. Centralized states (all rule from the capitol) are often far worse. See: Suvorov, _The Chief Culprit_. Free enterprise can (which you call "captalism", at least in some circumstances, be much better than that. As a (bad) slogan, capitalism is better than capitolism.

    You are as superior to the capitalists as Pol Pot was superior to the capitalists -- making noise about the mote in your opponent's eye and never considering the plank in your own eye.

    Counterinsurgency

    Other systems are no better. Centralized states (all rule from the capitol) are often far worse.

    Right and our great “free market system” isn’t ruled from the capitol Washed Out District of Corruption?

    Have you see studies that show that 50% of our GDP is directly or indirectly the result of government spending?

    I have many things I’d like to speak to our politicians about, but I cannot afford to travel across the country and lodge in a DC hotel.

    We are a bloated and monstrous Empire that serves the rich only.

    You are as superior to the capitalists as Pol Pot was superior to the capitalists

    Keep citing extremists to defame Socialism. You can keep arguing all you want as China takes over the global economy and the Nordic socialists enjoy a high happiness index.

    And you know nothing about me, so why would you equate me to Pol Pot? Just wild slanderous accusations to avoid dealing with issues and problems we are discussing.

    I guess the problem with Americans is they enjoy being unhappy. In which case please stick to your Cancer-Capitalism &Corporate-Welfare Crony Economy. They will give you exactly what you desire!

    America was founded by violent rebels against godly authority and they continue down that path as a nation of paranoid misanthropic sociopaths, perfect for manipulation by the banking elites.

  • @OEMIKITLOB
    Pure sophistry and obfuscation. The simple truth is, Meshavir, that capitalism, properly and correctly defined, is choices. The ability for anyone to use their private-property for mass-production to raise the standards of living for themselves and their fellow man and their infinite wants and needs and this is exactly what the miracle of capitalism did. At least until the business-elites grovelled to the political-class because they didn't like the competition from the common man and wished to keep him or her in their own selfish clutches and this is where we are in America today.

    Prior to this period, a man or woman's lot in life was no better than it ever was. A common man could never rise to the level of living as a king but capitalism changed that. This is why we hear the cry of the evils of capitalism. It is a way of keeping the common man in his place through lies and propaganda for his "superiors" and "betters" to live off his/her labor and property. Are you one of those, Meshavir?

    I do not wish to pre-judge you but you are either confused or being deceptive and only you can answer why. Take your pick.

    Socialism also allows choices. You are the one being dishonest.

    Nordic countries have socialism and are consistently rated as highest on the happiness index, with the US far far below. The US also is low on the list on many other quality of life measures. The inequality here is on the level of a third world nation.

    You have taken a very narrow definition of Capitalism and ignored all its evils.

    Most of the choices we have in Capitalism are artificial choices created by slick mind control advertising agencies. That’s why you need a spiritual perspective. All great spiritual leaders (Jewish Christian Muslim Buddhist) teach that human desires are infinite and the more we indulge them the more we are unhappy and dissatisfied. That’s why the American Declaration of Independence slogan “the pursuit of happiness” is so fatuous. Spiritual people are taught to pursue righteousness and virtue, and happiness might ensue as a by product.

    Why is that so hard for you to see?

    You seem like an intelligent man, yet you blow smoke about these limitations and deficiencies of the Capitalist system.

    What about externalities?

    The tobacco industry uses slick advertising and manipulates nicotine levels to addict the public. But the health consequences get shoved onto the taxpayers as Medicare has to grapple with the lung cancers, diabetes, emphysemia and other smoking related maladies.

    What about the auto industry buying up mass transit systems and trashing them to perpetuate our addiction to cars?

    What about reports that people who invented 200 mpg carbeurators were intimidated to keep silent or had their patents purchased and then trashed to perpetuate our dependence on low mileage high fuel burning vehicles?

    What about our fee for profit medical system, which is incentivized to treat and perpetuate illness rather than to invest in prevention?

    The examples are countless.

    As far as your claim that Capitalism allows us to live like kings, surely you jest! Unless kings have high poverty rates, indebtedness, suicide, poor health, no vacation time, etc etc, then perhaps our society makes us all royals!

    The real problem with Capitalism is a moral problem: that power corrupts. Since the goal of Capitalism is to frantically amass money, the wealthy become more corrupt and corrupt the system as they use their money to buy off politicians. And these people are also unhappy, since the pursuit of happiness divorced from virtue and righteousness always leads to unhappiness and misery.

    I thought the purpose of this site is to question authority. The people who comment here do not trust experts and authorities, since their judgment is so often clouded by their financial interests, their source of funding etc. If you are not willing to ask hard questions about the problems proliferating all around us, why are you here on this site anyway?

    I sadly conclude you are a troll for someone like Buffett or the Kochs.

    And I pray that the other readers here will see through your deceptive cynical and ruthless game.

    • Replies: @Mevashir

    Socialism also allows choices. You are the one being dishonest.
     
    I just went for my morning mikveh and had some more ideas to share with you. I hope this will be my last comment on UNZ, because I see it morphing into a playground for the American CCCP crowd: Crony Cancer Capitalist Perversion.

    Yes it's good to have choices. But even the CCCPs admit that choice is not unlimited. For example, most of them agree that murder cannot be permitted. And narcotics should not be available without prescriptions. Many of the Fundie CCCPs want to ban abortion and remove that option for poor single women unable to cope with pregnancy. Most all of them agree to prohibit prostitution and non heterosexual behavior.

    So it appears that even extreme CCCPs would agree that some choices cannot be allowed in a civil society.

    My argument is that many of the "choices" inflicted on us by the CCCP system we currently live under are dangerous and destructive. Is there virtue in having 500 cable tv channels? No, but psychologists will tell you that it's good for sales since constant television watching increases human alienation that can only be alleviated by purchasing worthless material goods. The same is true for the other electronic devices we have become mass addicted to.

    A healthy society understands the need to restrict some human choices as deleterious to the rest of society. The Orthodox Jews prohibit owning and watching television because they understand it threatens their cultural and religious values. They do this without an afterthought even though it eliminates a big source of "choice".

    Another thing: when you support a medical system that maximizes your freedom to shop around for a doctor, hospital, etc, you are also choosing a system that excludes a huge part of the population because of economic exigencies. That is as much a part of your "choice" as your precious freedom to choose your own medical services.

    I go to a low income medical and dental clinic. I have no choice whatsoever who will be seeing me when I have an appointment. And I don't care a whit, because I am grateful to be able to see anyone at all. And in the three years I have been using these services, my quality of life and health have improved markedly for which I am very thankful.

    Ever hear the expression: Live Simply ... so others may simply live!

    That's what is important to me in the consideration of a socio-economic system, and I would say America's system of CCCP fails dramatically in this vital consideration of the Common Good.

    I have met some people on this site with whom I have exchanged email addresses and now feel UNZ no longer is useful for me. I am sure many of you will be glad to hear that I intend to move on.

    BlesSings to you all.

    In Jesus' Name, Amen.

    , @Miro23

    The real problem with Capitalism is a moral problem: that power corrupts. Since the goal of Capitalism is to frantically amass money, the wealthy become more corrupt and corrupt the system as they use their money to buy off politicians. And these people are also unhappy, since the pursuit of happiness divorced from virtue and righteousness always leads to unhappiness and misery.

     
    Agreed that the ethical dimension to society is most important. And it comes in two parts 1) participation in formal religion with the acceptance of ethical rules* 2) the need for a society to apply it to, as in a group of ethnically homogeneous people living in their historic birthplace.

    * It doesn't really matter if you believe the religious myths. It's enough to subscribe to the morality. Also, if the whole population is going to be included, it needs to be well organized and simple to understand.
  • @Jacques Sheete

    Too Much Commenting on This Thread (Limit of 3/Hour). Take a Break.
    RETURN TO COMMENTING SECTION


     

    Thanks once again to UR. You have liberated me! I can respect your rules, but your advice stinks. Therefore, I shall take a hike, not a mere break.

    3 comments per hour applies to imbecilic 1000 word rants as well as sometimes decent 10 word responses? Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me, but then ya get what ya pay for, I suppose. Anyway, I hope UR hasn’t been infiltrated by the usual wreckers and isn’t going the way of other “antee-Semitik” websites and publications.


    Still, I get the message loud and clear, and it’s time to say, “bye bye,” to UR and the many good guys here. Even tho I haven’t considered UR an online Lonely Heat’s Club, I’m gonna miss the latter.


    PS: In closing, and since we’re trading unsolicited advice, here’s mine.: Work the bugs out of your commenting section and provide a place to report malfunctions at the very least. You may want to screen your authors with a bit of sense from time to time and send your power drunk moderators off to get real jobs as well.

    Jacques, don’t go. Fight the fight!

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, Robjil
  • @Art
    Sorry but I can not believe that Epstein was a clean-cut suicide hanging. They are not releasing any data – Why?

    Government protects government – imagine the pressure from the deep state, that was put on that finding.

    Everyday the government looks more incompetent and dishonest.

    Jeffrey Epstein’s lawyers say they are NOT SATISFIED with the coroner’s conclusion that he hanged himself, question why there’s still no surveillance footage of his final hours and slam the ‘medieval conditions’ inside the Manhattan jail
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7365911/Jeffrey-Epsteins-lawyers-not-satisfied-coroners-ruling-committed-suicide.html

  • @Erebus

    Anyway, I hope UR hasn’t been infiltrated by the usual wreckers...
     
    This thread sure has wandered far off the Epstein trail and into irrelevant shrubbery, apparently by design.

    ... and isn’t going the way of other “antee-Semitik” websites and publications.
     
    It seems to lead a charmed life, not unlike Epstein himself. All good, until it ain't.

    ... it’s time to say, “bye bye,” to UR and the many good guys here. Even tho I haven’t considered UR an online Lonely Heat’s Club, I’m gonna miss the latter.
     
    I'm scaling back myself. I've noticed both the apparent withdrawals by serious commenters I've always made a point of reading and the rise of organized, relatively sophisticated trollery that has apparently escaped the notice of the moderators. I doubt that the two are unrelated.

    Not always in agreement Jacques, but always read your comments. Tally Ho.

    “the rise of organized, relatively sophisticated trollery” – Yes. Indeed, quite sophisticated.

  • This meme illustrates the close connections between the Sabbatean Frankist Rothschild family and Epstein:

  • Jake Morphonios has an interesting Twitter thread that connects a lot dots here.

  • @niceland
    Do we have any confirmation Epstein was blackmailing politicians, and if so who?

    On the top of the list could be Clinton. If he was blackmailing Bill Clinton, why did Bill travel with him over and over again and why was the Maxwell woman present at his daughters wedding as seen in a now famous picture. Stockholm syndrome? And why did Epstein have painting of Bill in Monika's blue dress in his private quarters - something that looks like inside joke and/or even admiration on behalf of a friend?

    Prince Andrew? Isn't he really a window dressing without influence? What about the others U.S politicians Epstein had around him? Was any of them really worth blackmailing?

    Epstein's philanthropy, he spent considerable money on scientists and their research. This effort could be explained by age-old phenomena. No matter how much money you have, time and old age will get you. Epstein seems to have been occupied whith this judging by some of the research he supported. How does it fit into the picture of him being Mossad or CIA spy?

    If he was raised to wealth and influence by some intelligence operation, why was he fired from the financial institution for fraud (Bear Sterns?) and why is old Leslie Wexner accusing him of stealing money and assets from him. If financed by Mossad or CIA it seems such behavior would be counter productive to the operation. (whatever it might be). If old Wexner was part of the operation why did he sever ties with Epstein after the 2007 Florida trials?

    It's far fetched Epstein was blackmailing Alan Dershowitz on behalf of Mossad (hardly needed?) so who was he blackmailing?

    Do we have any confirmation Epstein was blackmailing politicians, and if so who?

    Of course we don’t. If we did, both he and the politician in question would have been in jail. That’s what his case was in danger of bringing to light.

    Was any of them really worth blackmailing?

    Ya gotta be kidding, right? Having a POTUS in your pocket ain’t worth something?

    … why was he fired from the financial institution for fraud (Bear Sterns?)

    Why was Bear-Stearns brought down?

    … and why is old Leslie Wexner accusing him of stealing money and assets from him.

    Um, would putting some distance between himself and the shit-spewing fan that was about to be fired up be reason enough?

    I don’t think this was as much a blackmail operation per se as it was an operation that bound the people at the upper levels of the pyramid into binding relationships underpinned by MAD (mutual assured destruction). If one thinks of the West’s leadership as a cabal, it served both to vet persons for their suitability for top positions, and then cement their loyalty to both the people above them and to the other members of the cabal.

    The governing elites are chosen for their predilection to iniquity, and then cemented in place by indulging their pathologies. Killing Epstein serves to keep them elite for a little longer. That makes their owners happy too.

  • Sorry but I can not believe that Epstein was a clean-cut suicide hanging. They are not releasing any data – Why?

    Government protects government – imagine the pressure from the deep state, that was put on that finding.

    Everyday the government looks more incompetent and dishonest.

    • Replies: @utu
    Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers say they are NOT SATISFIED with the coroner's conclusion that he hanged himself, question why there's still no surveillance footage of his final hours and slam the 'medieval conditions' inside the Manhattan jail
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7365911/Jeffrey-Epsteins-lawyers-not-satisfied-coroners-ruling-committed-suicide.html
  • @Jacques Sheete

    Too Much Commenting on This Thread (Limit of 3/Hour). Take a Break.
    RETURN TO COMMENTING SECTION


     

    Thanks once again to UR. You have liberated me! I can respect your rules, but your advice stinks. Therefore, I shall take a hike, not a mere break.

    3 comments per hour applies to imbecilic 1000 word rants as well as sometimes decent 10 word responses? Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me, but then ya get what ya pay for, I suppose. Anyway, I hope UR hasn’t been infiltrated by the usual wreckers and isn’t going the way of other “antee-Semitik” websites and publications.


    Still, I get the message loud and clear, and it’s time to say, “bye bye,” to UR and the many good guys here. Even tho I haven’t considered UR an online Lonely Heat’s Club, I’m gonna miss the latter.


    PS: In closing, and since we’re trading unsolicited advice, here’s mine.: Work the bugs out of your commenting section and provide a place to report malfunctions at the very least. You may want to screen your authors with a bit of sense from time to time and send your power drunk moderators off to get real jobs as well.

    Anyway, I hope UR hasn’t been infiltrated by the usual wreckers…

    This thread sure has wandered far off the Epstein trail and into irrelevant shrubbery, apparently by design.

    … and isn’t going the way of other “antee-Semitik” websites and publications.

    It seems to lead a charmed life, not unlike Epstein himself. All good, until it ain’t.

    … it’s time to say, “bye bye,” to UR and the many good guys here. Even tho I haven’t considered UR an online Lonely Heat’s Club, I’m gonna miss the latter.

    I’m scaling back myself. I’ve noticed both the apparent withdrawals by serious commenters I’ve always made a point of reading and the rise of organized, relatively sophisticated trollery that has apparently escaped the notice of the moderators. I doubt that the two are unrelated.

    Not always in agreement Jacques, but always read your comments. Tally Ho.

    • Agree: Iris, Robjil, S, renfro
    • Replies: @utu
    "the rise of organized, relatively sophisticated trollery" - Yes. Indeed, quite sophisticated.
  • @Paul Bustion
    You call me a "shill," implying that I am an apologist for Jews, yet you defended Ilana Mercer when I criticized her, even though she is a Jewess and is clearly a Jewish shill. She obviously in her article was trying to cover up the link between mental illness and criminality in order to advance the Jewish agenda of covering up said link, and you defended her and agreed with her that there was no link. You are the shill, not I.

    So, a shill is someone who is an apologist for jews. I had no idea. I should at least be thankful that you didn’t respond with an unpunctuated mass of 1,000 words. If you had taken your usual number of words to respond, in essence, “I know you are but what am I?”, it would surely have crushed me for good.

    Toddle off, now.

  • anon[321] • Disclaimer says:

    “Do we have any confirmation Epstein was blackmailing politicians, and if so who?”

    He had cameras everywhere and video and pictures which have been seized … so yeah. And who? There are lists readily available. They potentially include names like Bill Richardson and senator George Mitchell.

    “If he was blackmailing Bill Clinton, why did Bill travel with him over and over again and why was the Maxwell woman present at his daughters wedding as seen in a now famous picture. Stockholm syndrome?”

    1. He didn’t know. 2. He’s a sex pervert who likes young girls. Epstein had young girls all around him and flaunted it.

    “And why did Epstein have painting of Bill in Monika’s blue dress in his private quarters – something that looks like inside joke and/or even admiration on behalf of a friend?”

    Inside joke. One of Clinton’s previous flings was with a woman who claimed he liked to put on her dress as a joke. Epstein bragged that people liked to tell him their secrets.

    “Prince Andrew? Isn’t he really a window dressing without influence?”

    He’s a senior member of the British royal family. The British government would protect him in order to spare themselves the embarrassment. He and other royal family members are prime targets for blackmail.

    “What about the others U.S politicians Epstein had around him? Was any of them really worth blackmailing?”

    Yes. Bill Richardson is a Hispanic former governor of New Mexico, Clinton ally, and one-time speculated presidential candidate. He’s the kind you’d want to get dirt on in case he won the office. Further, senator George Mitchell was involved in Middle East peace negotiations, something that directly affected Israeli security. Other blackmail targets included (potentially) a former British PM and a French president, both countries with votes on the UN Security Counsel.

    “Epstein’s philanthropy, he spent considerable money on scientists and their research. This effort could be explained by age-old phenomena. No matter how much money you have, time and old age will get you. Epstein seems to have been occupied whith this judging by some of the research he supported. How does it fit into the picture of him being Mossad or CIA spy?”

    It fits in quite nicely with him being a Mossad spy. Money = access. Otherwise, no one would ever make a campaign contribution. This is why he pretended to be a billionaire (with help from real billionaires, including a pro-Israeli one that sold him a $20 million+ mansion the in heart of America’s biggest city for exactly $1); perceived wealth attracted money-hungry players to him.

    “If he was raised to wealth and influence by some intelligence operation, why was he fired from the financial institution for fraud (Bear Sterns?)”

    He was likely recruited after this point. Even if he were recruited earlier, it could have been a cover story; part of Epstein’s shtick involved him being dirty, which (according to Epstein himself) made it easier for people to divulge their secrets to him. Reportedly, Epstein immediately established his own company after he left Sterns. This point marks his rise to prominence. An easy way to recruit someone is to get someone down on his luck and promise him the world in return for his services. Tellingly, Epstein’s career took off after he was let go from Sterns.

    “and why is old Leslie Wexner accusing him of stealing money and assets from him.”

    Deflection from negative media coverage, obviously. Wexner has yet to explain how Epstein could have tricked him out of a $20 – $70 million NYC mansion for a single dollar. He had to have known about that. I guess it’s up to you if you really want to believe Epstein was such a genius that he could have tricked a pro-Israel, pro-Jewish organizer multi-billionaire out of that much money and property – reportedly up to $500 million, which isn’t exactly chump change.

    “If financed by Mossad or CIA it seems such behavior would be counter productive to the operation. (whatever it might be). If old Wexner was part of the operation why did he sever ties with Epstein after the 2007 Florida trials?”

    1. It’s not. The operation is now over, so it doesn’t matter what he says. 2. To save his reputation, obviously. None of that means Epstein wasn’t associated with Mossad or that he wasn’t being helped by some members of the Jewish community. Such Jewish spy rings are common in the united states and the author of this piece has written about one of them involving a plot to steal US nuclear weapons secrets.

    “It’s far fetched Epstein was blackmailing Alan Dershowitz on behalf of Mossad (hardly needed?) so who was he blackmailing?”

    Dershowitz was his attorney. He likely wasn’t being personally blackmailed.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @niceland
    Well, we still don't know what Epstein photos and video's show. And it seems like you agree he wasn't blackmailing Bill Clinton. If he was it would be strange for Bill to show up again and again after being threatened to be exposed for something.

    As for prince Andrew. He can hardly influence policy without involving others because he doesn't hold any office. And involving others would mean the gig is up. Imagine if the U.K. Royal family discovers that one of it's members is being threatened by someone pressuring for policy change for Israel. Would that be positive for Israels interests? I don't think so.

    I suggest Epstein was running a major tax evasion scheme for Lesley Wexner and his other clients. Funneling the profits of their businesses into offshore tax havens and Epstein's cut was buying assets from Wexner for next to nothing. This could explain why Wall Street traders didn't know him and why so little is known about his financial operation. Perhaps Epstein controls arsenal of firms in some drawers in Cayman Island or Panama or other tax heavens. This way he could make money without being investor or trader. Uncle Sam foots the bill or the U.S. taxpayer.

  • @niceland
    Do we have any confirmation Epstein was blackmailing politicians, and if so who?

    On the top of the list could be Clinton. If he was blackmailing Bill Clinton, why did Bill travel with him over and over again and why was the Maxwell woman present at his daughters wedding as seen in a now famous picture. Stockholm syndrome? And why did Epstein have painting of Bill in Monika's blue dress in his private quarters - something that looks like inside joke and/or even admiration on behalf of a friend?

    Prince Andrew? Isn't he really a window dressing without influence? What about the others U.S politicians Epstein had around him? Was any of them really worth blackmailing?

    Epstein's philanthropy, he spent considerable money on scientists and their research. This effort could be explained by age-old phenomena. No matter how much money you have, time and old age will get you. Epstein seems to have been occupied whith this judging by some of the research he supported. How does it fit into the picture of him being Mossad or CIA spy?

    If he was raised to wealth and influence by some intelligence operation, why was he fired from the financial institution for fraud (Bear Sterns?) and why is old Leslie Wexner accusing him of stealing money and assets from him. If financed by Mossad or CIA it seems such behavior would be counter productive to the operation. (whatever it might be). If old Wexner was part of the operation why did he sever ties with Epstein after the 2007 Florida trials?

    It's far fetched Epstein was blackmailing Alan Dershowitz on behalf of Mossad (hardly needed?) so who was he blackmailing?

    Does this really fit into the intelligence/blackmail story?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-16/how-epstein-manipulated-vulnerable-young-girls-and-how-you-can-protect-your

    It doesn’t. Why on earth would his handlers allow any of this if he was highly expensive asset hired for “honey pot” traps of politicians. Why risk him being busted for such activity, and send the entire expensive operation down the drain. If they had such control over law enforcement and prosecution they didn’t care what he did – they probably had such power they didn’t need him in the first place. Sure Epstein got off easy in 2007 but now?

    This is quite far fetched isn’t it?

  • @Lot
    “a law firm was searching for more of Epstein’s victims. Who knows who they would have named?”

    They can still sue his estate. Not like it matters much for civil suits if he is dead. His testimony would not have been credible or helpful for either side.

    Unless Epstein’s procurer of underage girl victims, Ghislaine Maxwell, has already obtained a “deal” with the FBI and is unchargeable, I would suggest that if Ms. Maxwell loves her freedom she should high-tail it to Tel Aviv on a CIA “Air America” jet rather than hang out at In and Out Burger in Universal City with her doggie while reading her lame-ass “CIA Hero’s” book.

    D’Oh!

    Because in times like these where NOBODY on the entire freakin’ PLANET believes Epstein with his “egg-shaped penis” he wanted to have “immortalized”, committed “suicide” while the cameras malfunctioned and the guards “slept”, only Homer Simpson should be regarded as “real”.

  • Do we have any confirmation Epstein was blackmailing politicians, and if so who?

    On the top of the list could be Clinton. If he was blackmailing Bill Clinton, why did Bill travel with him over and over again and why was the Maxwell woman present at his daughters wedding as seen in a now famous picture. Stockholm syndrome? And why did Epstein have painting of Bill in Monika’s blue dress in his private quarters – something that looks like inside joke and/or even admiration on behalf of a friend?

    Prince Andrew? Isn’t he really a window dressing without influence? What about the others U.S politicians Epstein had around him? Was any of them really worth blackmailing?

    Epstein’s philanthropy, he spent considerable money on scientists and their research. This effort could be explained by age-old phenomena. No matter how much money you have, time and old age will get you. Epstein seems to have been occupied whith this judging by some of the research he supported. How does it fit into the picture of him being Mossad or CIA spy?

    If he was raised to wealth and influence by some intelligence operation, why was he fired from the financial institution for fraud (Bear Sterns?) and why is old Leslie Wexner accusing him of stealing money and assets from him. If financed by Mossad or CIA it seems such behavior would be counter productive to the operation. (whatever it might be). If old Wexner was part of the operation why did he sever ties with Epstein after the 2007 Florida trials?

    It’s far fetched Epstein was blackmailing Alan Dershowitz on behalf of Mossad (hardly needed?) so who was he blackmailing?

    • Replies: @niceland
    Does this really fit into the intelligence/blackmail story?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-16/how-epstein-manipulated-vulnerable-young-girls-and-how-you-can-protect-your

    It doesn't. Why on earth would his handlers allow any of this if he was highly expensive asset hired for "honey pot" traps of politicians. Why risk him being busted for such activity, and send the entire expensive operation down the drain. If they had such control over law enforcement and prosecution they didn't care what he did - they probably had such power they didn't need him in the first place. Sure Epstein got off easy in 2007 but now?

    This is quite far fetched isn't it?
    , @Erebus

    Do we have any confirmation Epstein was blackmailing politicians, and if so who?
     
    Of course we don't. If we did, both he and the politician in question would have been in jail. That's what his case was in danger of bringing to light.

    Was any of them really worth blackmailing?
     
    Ya gotta be kidding, right? Having a POTUS in your pocket ain't worth something?

    ... why was he fired from the financial institution for fraud (Bear Sterns?)
     
    Why was Bear-Stearns brought down?

    ... and why is old Leslie Wexner accusing him of stealing money and assets from him.
     
    Um, would putting some distance between himself and the shit-spewing fan that was about to be fired up be reason enough?

    I don't think this was as much a blackmail operation per se as it was an operation that bound the people at the upper levels of the pyramid into binding relationships underpinned by MAD (mutual assured destruction). If one thinks of the West's leadership as a cabal, it served both to vet persons for their suitability for top positions, and then cement their loyalty to both the people above them and to the other members of the cabal.

    The governing elites are chosen for their predilection to iniquity, and then cemented in place by indulging their pathologies. Killing Epstein serves to keep them elite for a little longer. That makes their owners happy too.

  • @geokat62
    The ship is going down and we have a debate raging on Unz over the relative merits of capitalism versus socialism, FFS!

    Reminds one of the Titanic and rearranging deck chairs.

    geokat observed: “The ship is going down and we have a debate raging on Unz over the relative merits of capitalism versus socialism, FFS! Reminds one of the Titanic and rearranging deck chairs.’

    • Replies:

    Above, I see it your way, geo. The Neo-Titanic is sinking! Sinking.😟 And Amerika’s Dick(heads) Sporting Goods store chain’s consumer, “Life Wraps,” are out-of-stock.

    (Zigh) The Master Topic Changer, Maven Sam Shama, would be proud of Counterintelligence & regrettably, Mevashir’s exchange.

    • Agree: Robjil
  • @Twodees Partain
    Troll tag used since the site doesn't offer a 'Shill' tag. So far you've attacked the authors in the comment threads you have decided to infest. Shoo!

    You call me a “shill,” implying that I am an apologist for Jews, yet you defended Ilana Mercer when I criticized her, even though she is a Jewess and is clearly a Jewish shill. She obviously in her article was trying to cover up the link between mental illness and criminality in order to advance the Jewish agenda of covering up said link, and you defended her and agreed with her that there was no link. You are the shill, not I.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    So, a shill is someone who is an apologist for jews. I had no idea. I should at least be thankful that you didn't respond with an unpunctuated mass of 1,000 words. If you had taken your usual number of words to respond, in essence, "I know you are but what am I?", it would surely have crushed me for good.

    Toddle off, now.

  • @OEMIKITLOB
    Move along then. Egregious errors such as blaming capitalism for the states failures must be corrected. I'm sick of seeing my countryman being lied to and deceived to be exploited by the political-class and their donors and their standards of living and choices being driven back down while their wealth and property are confiscated through debt, funny-money and regulations designed to keep them there. Has it ever occurred to you this error is part of the problem and why the ship is going down?

    Has it ever occurred to you this error is part of the problem and why the ship is going down?

    LOL

    If you really want to learn why the ship is going down, I highly recommend you familiarize yourself with Prof. Kevin MacDonald’s magnum opus, Culture of Critique, especially Ch. 7.

    Our top priority should be to try and get as many people as we can onto lifeboats and then try to stabilize the ship, after which by all means you can resume the riveting debate.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, Robjil
  • @geokat62
    The ship is going down and we have a debate raging on Unz over the relative merits of capitalism versus socialism, FFS!

    Reminds one of the Titanic and rearranging deck chairs.

    Move along then. Egregious errors such as blaming capitalism for the states failures must be corrected. I’m sick of seeing my countryman being lied to and deceived to be exploited by the political-class and their donors and their standards of living and choices being driven back down while their wealth and property are confiscated through debt, funny-money and regulations designed to keep them there. Has it ever occurred to you this error is part of the problem and why the ship is going down?

    • Replies: @geokat62

    Has it ever occurred to you this error is part of the problem and why the ship is going down?
     
    LOL

    If you really want to learn why the ship is going down, I highly recommend you familiarize yourself with Prof. Kevin MacDonald’s magnum opus, Culture of Critique, especially Ch. 7.

    Our top priority should be to try and get as many people as we can onto lifeboats and then try to stabilize the ship, after which by all means you can resume the riveting debate.
  • @Mevashir

    You’re correct, I don’t like hearing you speak about a subject you don’t understand but are pretending you do. You made incorrect claims re: what capitalism is and redefined it to something it is not. It’s dishonest and disingenuous.
     
    I apologize for being so acerbic. I will explain to you my background and you can decide whether I have any authority to speak on this subject.

    I have a BA degree in Economics from Harvard, Class of 1980. Caroline Kennedy was my classmate.

    I took an elective course in Libertarian Economics, based on Austrian theory. The graduate student TF argued that we should abolish the FDA and allow the "free market" to regulate drugs. How? If people get sick and die from a bad drug, they can always sue the pharmaceutical company for damages. Tort law and criminal law suffices to keep the system honest.

    After my graduation I spent 20 years involved in theological studies, first of Judaism and then of Christianity (with a smaller focus on Islam). Apart from yeshiva education in Israel, I am self taught about the latter two faiths.

    I certainly do not have the academic pedigrees of the big name Austrian economists. However I have read widely and gathered and synthesized information from a wide range of sources.

    My impression today is that under our "Capitalist" system, rich people basically are constantly hunting for investments to increase their profits. They are loyal to no one person, no one society, no one community, no one political system. They don't care about labor but see it simply as a commodity to exploit for profit. That's why the Wall St. money managers encouraged/forced American businesses to offshore their manufacturing to Asia, where they can avail themselves of cheap sweatshop labor, avoid environmental regulations, pensions, worker compensation, sick leave, maternity pay, vacation pay etc.

    Workers are essentially race horses for the rich to place their bets on. (Or dogs to fight to the death, all for the pleasure of the gambling investor class.)

    Stocks used to mean a commitment to the company in question. Stock holder meetings would keep people informed. Today stocks are traded using complex algorithms in speeds of nanoseconds. It is purely a sophisticated gambling venture. There is no commitment to overarching social goals. That's why a planned economy like China is now leading the world in renewable energy sources, high speed rail, and many other things because the central planners force the business class to cooperate, something not possible in our Corporate Welfare system, whose motto is private gain (when the company profits) / public pain (when the company loses money).

    If you are impressed with such a cynical and ruthless system, then I have nothing further to say to you except perhaps look into your heart and ask God if this is the best we can do as a society.

    I call our system Cancer Capitalism, because like cancer it proliferates without boundaries until it kills the organism.

    I think this analysis of Capitalism by David Bentley Hart of Notre Dame is accurate:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism

    Here is just one small excerpt from this impressive article:

    The very least that one must concede is that capitalism “works.” That is, it produces enormous wealth, and adapts itself with remarkable plasticity to even the most abrupt changes of cultural and material circumstances. When it has faltered, here or there, it has evolved new mechanisms for preventing the same mistake from being made again. It does not bring about a just distribution of wealth, of course; nor could it. A capitalist society not only tolerates, but positively requires, the existence of a pauper class, not only as a reserve of labor value, but also because capitalism relies on a stable credit economy, and a credit economy requires a certain supply of perennial debtors whose poverty – through predatory lending and interest practices – can be converted into capital for their creditors. The perpetual insolvency of the working poor and lower-middle class is an inexhaustible font of profits for the institutions upon which the investment class depends.
     

    Pure sophistry and obfuscation. The simple truth is, Meshavir, that capitalism, properly and correctly defined, is choices. The ability for anyone to use their private-property for mass-production to raise the standards of living for themselves and their fellow man and their infinite wants and needs and this is exactly what the miracle of capitalism did. At least until the business-elites grovelled to the political-class because they didn’t like the competition from the common man and wished to keep him or her in their own selfish clutches and this is where we are in America today.

    Prior to this period, a man or woman’s lot in life was no better than it ever was. A common man could never rise to the level of living as a king but capitalism changed that. This is why we hear the cry of the evils of capitalism. It is a way of keeping the common man in his place through lies and propaganda for his “superiors” and “betters” to live off his/her labor and property. Are you one of those, Meshavir?

    I do not wish to pre-judge you but you are either confused or being deceptive and only you can answer why. Take your pick.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    Socialism also allows choices. You are the one being dishonest.

    Nordic countries have socialism and are consistently rated as highest on the happiness index, with the US far far below. The US also is low on the list on many other quality of life measures. The inequality here is on the level of a third world nation.

    You have taken a very narrow definition of Capitalism and ignored all its evils.

    Most of the choices we have in Capitalism are artificial choices created by slick mind control advertising agencies. That's why you need a spiritual perspective. All great spiritual leaders (Jewish Christian Muslim Buddhist) teach that human desires are infinite and the more we indulge them the more we are unhappy and dissatisfied. That's why the American Declaration of Independence slogan "the pursuit of happiness" is so fatuous. Spiritual people are taught to pursue righteousness and virtue, and happiness might ensue as a by product.

    Why is that so hard for you to see?

    You seem like an intelligent man, yet you blow smoke about these limitations and deficiencies of the Capitalist system.

    What about externalities?

    The tobacco industry uses slick advertising and manipulates nicotine levels to addict the public. But the health consequences get shoved onto the taxpayers as Medicare has to grapple with the lung cancers, diabetes, emphysemia and other smoking related maladies.

    What about the auto industry buying up mass transit systems and trashing them to perpetuate our addiction to cars?

    What about reports that people who invented 200 mpg carbeurators were intimidated to keep silent or had their patents purchased and then trashed to perpetuate our dependence on low mileage high fuel burning vehicles?

    What about our fee for profit medical system, which is incentivized to treat and perpetuate illness rather than to invest in prevention?

    The examples are countless.

    As far as your claim that Capitalism allows us to live like kings, surely you jest! Unless kings have high poverty rates, indebtedness, suicide, poor health, no vacation time, etc etc, then perhaps our society makes us all royals!

    The real problem with Capitalism is a moral problem: that power corrupts. Since the goal of Capitalism is to frantically amass money, the wealthy become more corrupt and corrupt the system as they use their money to buy off politicians. And these people are also unhappy, since the pursuit of happiness divorced from virtue and righteousness always leads to unhappiness and misery.

    I thought the purpose of this site is to question authority. The people who comment here do not trust experts and authorities, since their judgment is so often clouded by their financial interests, their source of funding etc. If you are not willing to ask hard questions about the problems proliferating all around us, why are you here on this site anyway?

    I sadly conclude you are a troll for someone like Buffett or the Kochs.

    And I pray that the other readers here will see through your deceptive cynical and ruthless game.
  • The ship is going down and we have a debate raging on Unz over the relative merits of capitalism versus socialism, FFS!

    Reminds one of the Titanic and rearranging deck chairs.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    Move along then. Egregious errors such as blaming capitalism for the states failures must be corrected. I'm sick of seeing my countryman being lied to and deceived to be exploited by the political-class and their donors and their standards of living and choices being driven back down while their wealth and property are confiscated through debt, funny-money and regulations designed to keep them there. Has it ever occurred to you this error is part of the problem and why the ship is going down?
    , @ChuckOrloski
    geokat observed: "The ship is going down and we have a debate raging on Unz over the relative merits of capitalism versus socialism, FFS! Reminds one of the Titanic and rearranging deck chairs.'

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB

    Above, I see it your way, geo. The Neo-Titanic is sinking! Sinking.😟 And Amerika's Dick(heads) Sporting Goods store chain's consumer, "Life Wraps," are out-of-stock.

    (Zigh) The Master Topic Changer, Maven Sam Shama, would be proud of Counterintelligence & regrettably, Mevashir's exchange.
  • @Jacques Sheete

    Too Much Commenting on This Thread (Limit of 3/Hour). Take a Break.
    RETURN TO COMMENTING SECTION


     

    Thanks once again to UR. You have liberated me! I can respect your rules, but your advice stinks. Therefore, I shall take a hike, not a mere break.

    3 comments per hour applies to imbecilic 1000 word rants as well as sometimes decent 10 word responses? Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me, but then ya get what ya pay for, I suppose. Anyway, I hope UR hasn’t been infiltrated by the usual wreckers and isn’t going the way of other “antee-Semitik” websites and publications.


    Still, I get the message loud and clear, and it’s time to say, “bye bye,” to UR and the many good guys here. Even tho I haven’t considered UR an online Lonely Heat’s Club, I’m gonna miss the latter.


    PS: In closing, and since we’re trading unsolicited advice, here’s mine.: Work the bugs out of your commenting section and provide a place to report malfunctions at the very least. You may want to screen your authors with a bit of sense from time to time and send your power drunk moderators off to get real jobs as well.

    Yo, Jacques Sheete!

    Am mourning for the insult that came your way. Was very bad for “our” morale. 😟

    Am hoping the heads up on “Too much commenting” was done in either error or perhaps done during a cocktail, “Happy Hour.”

    Maybe a U.R. comment-Moderator’s email shall arrive in your “inbox” because, no doubt, you are have a heroic record as an anti-Supremacist Jew, WARRIOR.

    (Zigh) A bad day at “Epstein RIP” but Jacques Sheete fucking lives!

    • Agree: J. Gutierrez
  • @Paul Bustion
    Philip Giralid's theory that Jeffrey Epstein was running his prostitution ring as a honeypot operation that had his child prostitutes sexually seduce politicians so he could film the politicians having sex with children so he could blackmail them into supporting Israel and giving espionage information to the Mossad is ridiculous, to put it politely. There is not only no evidence for this theory, there is also no reasonable or practical motive for the alleged behavior, and the alleged behavior would not make sense because it is very unlikely that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles. There is no reasonable or practical motive for the behavior because the Jewish political establishment already owns our political leaders as its puppets, so it does not need to blackmail them. The way it has establishment this amount of control is through forming a social network where Jews recruit Non-Jews to do their bidding, Jews created Freemasonry as their political agency to help them do this. Freemasonry is a political agency of Jewry, it allows Non-Jews to join it in order to help increase Jewish political power in Non-Jewish societies, Non-Jews who join it have to swear a loyalty oath to the organization and then form an in group preference for other members of the Jewish led organization. Jews also use their control of finance and banking to have this kind of political power. They do not need child prostitution ring to sexually seduce politicians so they can blackmail them to achieve political power, because they already control the political establishment.
    Additionally, even if the Jewish political elites wanted or needed to blackmail our political leaders, this would be a very stupid way to do it. Filming sex between an adult and a child is a very serious crime, it actually in some cases is more serious than an adult having sex with a child, the person threatening blackmail against the person with the film would unless he had a very stupid victim have someone who would realize the person himself would go to prison if he showed anyone the film, so it would not be a good way to blackmail someone. There are much better ways to blackmail political leaders, such as finding out if they committed financial or political crimes or if they murdered someone, that would not involve such risks.
    It is not plausible that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles because pedophiles usually have very limited intellectual ability, and are perhaps even borderline mentally retarded, and pedophiles usually are mentally ill. Dr. James Cantor, an expert on sexual perversion generally and pedophilia particularly, stated in a YouTube video titled "The Pedophile's Brain" published on the YouTube channel "TEDI BEAR Children's Advocacy Center" on July 19, 2015, that pedophiles on average, score 10-15 points below average on Intelligence Quotient tests. That means that only between 16-25 percent of pedophiles are equally intelligent or more intelligent than the average person in western countries like Britain and America. Cantor also stated that pedophiles tend to have less white matter in their brains than the general population does, white matter is responsible for a lot of the social understanding of the brain and also for connecting brain regions to enable reasoning that requires connected understanding of different topics together. He also said that 30% of pedophiles are left handed while only 12% of the general population is left handed, this is what Darwin called a "correlation of growth" when two phenotypic traits appear very frequently together in biological organisms, another example cited by Darwin was that blue eyed cats are usually deaf. Cantor said that the only other population groups with this high rates of left handed are autistics, schizophrenics and bipolars. Cantor concluded that what causes pedophilia is that pedophiles have a mental problem that causes their brain to be cross wired, so that the sexual responses are inappropriately connected with children whereas most people have a moral inhibition against sexual attraction to children. There are two peer reviewed articles by scientists I have read that discuss evidence autism is correlated in a causal way with pedophilia. They are “Paraphilic Disorder in a Male Patient with Autism Spectrum Disorder: Incidence or Coincidence,” by B. Kolta and G. Rossi, edited by A. Muocivic and J.R. Adler Cureus May 2018 and “Sexuality in autism: hypersexual and paraphilic behavior in women and men with high-functioning autism spectrum disorder,” by Daniel Schottle, Peer Briken, Oliver Tuscher and Daniel Turner published in “Dialogues in Clinical Neuroscience,” in December 2017 In the second article, the authors stated: ""Altogether, paraphilic sexual fantasies and behaviors were reported more frequently in male patients with ASD than in male HCs [Health Controls; that is people who are mentally healthy and do not have autism or another mental illness]. After correcting for multiple testing, significant differences were still present in the number of individuals reporting masochistic fantasies, sadistic fantasies, voyeuristic fantasies and behaviors, frotteuristic fantasies and behaviors, and pedophilic fantasies with female children" The authors of the first article wrote: "Fernandes et al. were able to demonstrate that 30% of the low-functioning ASD patients showed some kind of inappropriate sexual behaviors, most frequently public masturbation, indecent exposure, and inappropriate heterosexual behaviors . When looking at higher functioning patients with autism spectrum disorder they reported 10% demonstrated inappropriate sexual behaviors . The study also revealed that 24% of high-functioning individuals with ASD engaged in paraphilic sexual fantasies or behaviors including classic presentations of paraphilic disorder such as pedophilia, voyeurism, and sadomasochism " So pedophilia is linked to both low intellectual ability, and to mental illness. A person needs to be highly intelligent to be a political leader, George W Bush was on the dumb side for a political leader and his Intelligence Quotient was 124, that is the 94th percentile, that means George W Bush is more intelligent than 94 percent of other people. During the Nuremberg Trials all of the Nazis leaders who did anything of real importance scored at least 120 on the Intelligence Quotient test, which means they were smarter than 90% of other people, and the Nazis were also known for being on the dumb side for political leaders. The idea that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles is ridiculous because of this, so this makes Giraldi's claim obviously ridiculous.

    Troll tag used since the site doesn’t offer a ‘Shill’ tag. So far you’ve attacked the authors in the comment threads you have decided to infest. Shoo!

    • Replies: @Paul Bustion
    You call me a "shill," implying that I am an apologist for Jews, yet you defended Ilana Mercer when I criticized her, even though she is a Jewess and is clearly a Jewish shill. She obviously in her article was trying to cover up the link between mental illness and criminality in order to advance the Jewish agenda of covering up said link, and you defended her and agreed with her that there was no link. You are the shill, not I.
  • @Mevashir

    You’re correct, I don’t like hearing you speak about a subject you don’t understand but are pretending you do. You made incorrect claims re: what capitalism is and redefined it to something it is not. It’s dishonest and disingenuous.
     
    I apologize for being so acerbic. I will explain to you my background and you can decide whether I have any authority to speak on this subject.

    I have a BA degree in Economics from Harvard, Class of 1980. Caroline Kennedy was my classmate.

    I took an elective course in Libertarian Economics, based on Austrian theory. The graduate student TF argued that we should abolish the FDA and allow the "free market" to regulate drugs. How? If people get sick and die from a bad drug, they can always sue the pharmaceutical company for damages. Tort law and criminal law suffices to keep the system honest.

    After my graduation I spent 20 years involved in theological studies, first of Judaism and then of Christianity (with a smaller focus on Islam). Apart from yeshiva education in Israel, I am self taught about the latter two faiths.

    I certainly do not have the academic pedigrees of the big name Austrian economists. However I have read widely and gathered and synthesized information from a wide range of sources.

    My impression today is that under our "Capitalist" system, rich people basically are constantly hunting for investments to increase their profits. They are loyal to no one person, no one society, no one community, no one political system. They don't care about labor but see it simply as a commodity to exploit for profit. That's why the Wall St. money managers encouraged/forced American businesses to offshore their manufacturing to Asia, where they can avail themselves of cheap sweatshop labor, avoid environmental regulations, pensions, worker compensation, sick leave, maternity pay, vacation pay etc.

    Workers are essentially race horses for the rich to place their bets on. (Or dogs to fight to the death, all for the pleasure of the gambling investor class.)

    Stocks used to mean a commitment to the company in question. Stock holder meetings would keep people informed. Today stocks are traded using complex algorithms in speeds of nanoseconds. It is purely a sophisticated gambling venture. There is no commitment to overarching social goals. That's why a planned economy like China is now leading the world in renewable energy sources, high speed rail, and many other things because the central planners force the business class to cooperate, something not possible in our Corporate Welfare system, whose motto is private gain (when the company profits) / public pain (when the company loses money).

    If you are impressed with such a cynical and ruthless system, then I have nothing further to say to you except perhaps look into your heart and ask God if this is the best we can do as a society.

    I call our system Cancer Capitalism, because like cancer it proliferates without boundaries until it kills the organism.

    I think this analysis of Capitalism by David Bentley Hart of Notre Dame is accurate:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism

    Here is just one small excerpt from this impressive article:

    The very least that one must concede is that capitalism “works.” That is, it produces enormous wealth, and adapts itself with remarkable plasticity to even the most abrupt changes of cultural and material circumstances. When it has faltered, here or there, it has evolved new mechanisms for preventing the same mistake from being made again. It does not bring about a just distribution of wealth, of course; nor could it. A capitalist society not only tolerates, but positively requires, the existence of a pauper class, not only as a reserve of labor value, but also because capitalism relies on a stable credit economy, and a credit economy requires a certain supply of perennial debtors whose poverty – through predatory lending and interest practices – can be converted into capital for their creditors. The perpetual insolvency of the working poor and lower-middle class is an inexhaustible font of profits for the institutions upon which the investment class depends.
     

    Other systems are no better. Centralized states (all rule from the capitol) are often far worse. See: Suvorov, _The Chief Culprit_. Free enterprise can (which you call “captalism”, at least in some circumstances, be much better than that. As a (bad) slogan, capitalism is better than capitolism.

    You are as superior to the capitalists as Pol Pot was superior to the capitalists — making noise about the mote in your opponent’s eye and never considering the plank in your own eye.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Mevashir

    Other systems are no better. Centralized states (all rule from the capitol) are often far worse.
     
    Right and our great "free market system" isn't ruled from the capitol Washed Out District of Corruption?

    Have you see studies that show that 50% of our GDP is directly or indirectly the result of government spending?

    I have many things I'd like to speak to our politicians about, but I cannot afford to travel across the country and lodge in a DC hotel.

    We are a bloated and monstrous Empire that serves the rich only.


    You are as superior to the capitalists as Pol Pot was superior to the capitalists
     
    Keep citing extremists to defame Socialism. You can keep arguing all you want as China takes over the global economy and the Nordic socialists enjoy a high happiness index.

    And you know nothing about me, so why would you equate me to Pol Pot? Just wild slanderous accusations to avoid dealing with issues and problems we are discussing.

    I guess the problem with Americans is they enjoy being unhappy. In which case please stick to your Cancer-Capitalism &Corporate-Welfare Crony Economy. They will give you exactly what you desire!

    America was founded by violent rebels against godly authority and they continue down that path as a nation of paranoid misanthropic sociopaths, perfect for manipulation by the banking elites.

    , @annamaria
    "See: Suvorov, _The Chief Culprit_.

    -- This author stinks, and badly.
    According to Wikipedia, Viktor Suvorov's real last name is Rezun. He is a Ukrainian who has assumed, unscrupulously, the name of a famous Russian military hero Alexander Suvorov. Just imagine for a sec that some French turncoat to the UK takes on the name of Napoleon.

    After attending the Military Diplomatic Academy from 1971 to 1974, Suvorov [Rezun] joined the Soviet mission to the United Nations Office at Geneva, working undercover for the Soviet military intelligence service (GRU)... On 10 June 1978, Suvorov [Rezun] defected to the United Kingdom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Suvorov
     
    Mr. Suvorov-Rezun is cherished by western media for his highly critical attitude towards Putin. Mr. Suvorov-Rezun is particularly upset with Russia's involvement in Syria.

    Similar to the renowned Mr. Eliot Higgins, Mr. Suvorov-Rezun relies, according to his own words, on open sources: https://112.international/interview/west-so-cautious-about-russia-because-of-one-thing-nuclear-power-but-this-nuclear-power-is-bluff-18521.html


    The fact is that all the materials that I fill my books with are open sources.
     
    Unsurprisingly, "the works by Suvorov remain a matter of debate among historians."

    For a person with the nom de plume of the famous Russian hero, Suvorov-Rezun exhibits unordinary (though profitable) hatred towards Russia and Russians.

    The Haaretz provided this morsel of information about Mr. Rezun (?):


    ...a few years ago Shauli read "Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War," by Bogdan Rozen. Rozen, who now lives in England, wrote it under the pseudonym of Viktor Suvorov. https://www.haaretz.com/1.4967618
     
    This brings some clarity to the whole situation with Rezun-Rozen-Suvorov.
  • @jack daniels
    "Hefner is exalted."
    Not by me! Maybe by a few aging adolescents. No mature, reflective person would think him more than a good businessman. The days when liberal theologians took to Playboy to argue for the congruity of Christianity with The Playboy Philosophy are decades behind us. Several in fact.

    No mature, reflective person would think him more than a good businessman

    Exactly my point: a good businessman. But not a sleazy douche bag as Epstein is depicted. Why the difference?

  • @Mevashir

    Read more: https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Gutierrez#ixzz5wmw4rilj
     
    If it really is a German-Spanish combo name, then maybe it really means what I suggested:

    Good Earth (Gut + Tierra). The EZ ending alludes to the Holy Land according to the Dell Sanchez person I mentioned earlier.

    And I didn't say your Eastern European DNA indicates Jewishness, although it is very possible. But rather your Western European DNA since Spain was filled with Jews from the time of Christ to 1492 (and long after in the form of forced Catholic converts or Crypto-Jews).

    Check out this book that traces the roots of 10,000 English words to Hebrew. The author does the same for other modern languages too, as part of his theory that all languages branched off from Hebrew at the Tower of Babel incident in the bible: https://g.co/kgs/ocJWMs

    Professional linguists scoff at his ideas, but I think they sound credible. And on that basis I proposed the meaning of your surname!

    Have a great weekend Mi Hermano (if I may presume to call you that).

    I have an Australian friend who would take months long trips down the Baja to surf and hang out on the beaches. He would camp out in isolated areas in his little car. He never had any problems and said the Mexicans are wonderful warm people.

    If it really is a German-Spanish combo name, then maybe it really means what I suggested: Good Earth (Gut + Tierra). The EZ ending alludes to the Holy Land according to the Dell Sanchez person I mentioned earlier.

    Here are some examples of English words with suggested Hebrew etymological roots:

    Earth from Eretz. OED will say it’s from the German Erd, but both words likely come from the Hebrew.

    Death from Da’at, meaning Knowledge, since according to Genesis 3 eating from the Tree of Knowledge brought death into the world.

    Air from Avir

    Wine from Yayin

    Skin (something with a knife) from sakin meaning knife.

    Ore from Ohr meaning light, since gold ore shines.

    Part from Parat meaning a part of something.

    There are many such examples and not just the obvious ones that everyone admits to like Sabbath from Shabbat.

    Good Earth in Hebrew is Eretz Tova. I have a daughter in Israel named Shira Tova meaning Good Song. Here is a verse from the bible (Deut 8) describing the Promised Land: https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/8-7.htm

    Remember the LORD Your God
    …6Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, walking in His ways and fearing Him. 7For the LORD your God is bringing you into a good land, a land of brooks and fountains and springs that flow through the valleys and hills; 8a land of wheat, barley, vines, fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of olive oil and honey;…

    I wish you a good weekend = Gute Wochenende. You are a mensch, Yiddish for a man of character and virtue. I am honored to have met you here.

    Shalom Adios!

  • You’re correct, I don’t like hearing you speak about a subject you don’t understand but are pretending you do. You made incorrect claims re: what capitalism is and redefined it to something it is not. It’s dishonest and disingenuous.

    I apologize for being so acerbic. I will explain to you my background and you can decide whether I have any authority to speak on this subject.

    I have a BA degree in Economics from Harvard, Class of 1980. Caroline Kennedy was my classmate.

    I took an elective course in Libertarian Economics, based on Austrian theory. The graduate student TF argued that we should abolish the FDA and allow the “free market” to regulate drugs. How? If people get sick and die from a bad drug, they can always sue the pharmaceutical company for damages. Tort law and criminal law suffices to keep the system honest.

    After my graduation I spent 20 years involved in theological studies, first of Judaism and then of Christianity (with a smaller focus on Islam). Apart from yeshiva education in Israel, I am self taught about the latter two faiths.

    I certainly do not have the academic pedigrees of the big name Austrian economists. However I have read widely and gathered and synthesized information from a wide range of sources.

    My impression today is that under our “Capitalist” system, rich people basically are constantly hunting for investments to increase their profits. They are loyal to no one person, no one society, no one community, no one political system. They don’t care about labor but see it simply as a commodity to exploit for profit. That’s why the Wall St. money managers encouraged/forced American businesses to offshore their manufacturing to Asia, where they can avail themselves of cheap sweatshop labor, avoid environmental regulations, pensions, worker compensation, sick leave, maternity pay, vacation pay etc.

    Workers are essentially race horses for the rich to place their bets on. (Or dogs to fight to the death, all for the pleasure of the gambling investor class.)

    Stocks used to mean a commitment to the company in question. Stock holder meetings would keep people informed. Today stocks are traded using complex algorithms in speeds of nanoseconds. It is purely a sophisticated gambling venture. There is no commitment to overarching social goals. That’s why a planned economy like China is now leading the world in renewable energy sources, high speed rail, and many other things because the central planners force the business class to cooperate, something not possible in our Corporate Welfare system, whose motto is private gain (when the company profits) / public pain (when the company loses money).

    If you are impressed with such a cynical and ruthless system, then I have nothing further to say to you except perhaps look into your heart and ask God if this is the best we can do as a society.

    I call our system Cancer Capitalism, because like cancer it proliferates without boundaries until it kills the organism.

    I think this analysis of Capitalism by David Bentley Hart of Notre Dame is accurate:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism

    Here is just one small excerpt from this impressive article:

    The very least that one must concede is that capitalism “works.” That is, it produces enormous wealth, and adapts itself with remarkable plasticity to even the most abrupt changes of cultural and material circumstances. When it has faltered, here or there, it has evolved new mechanisms for preventing the same mistake from being made again. It does not bring about a just distribution of wealth, of course; nor could it. A capitalist society not only tolerates, but positively requires, the existence of a pauper class, not only as a reserve of labor value, but also because capitalism relies on a stable credit economy, and a credit economy requires a certain supply of perennial debtors whose poverty – through predatory lending and interest practices – can be converted into capital for their creditors. The perpetual insolvency of the working poor and lower-middle class is an inexhaustible font of profits for the institutions upon which the investment class depends.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Other systems are no better. Centralized states (all rule from the capitol) are often far worse. See: Suvorov, _The Chief Culprit_. Free enterprise can (which you call "captalism", at least in some circumstances, be much better than that. As a (bad) slogan, capitalism is better than capitolism.

    You are as superior to the capitalists as Pol Pot was superior to the capitalists -- making noise about the mote in your opponent's eye and never considering the plank in your own eye.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @OEMIKITLOB
    Pure sophistry and obfuscation. The simple truth is, Meshavir, that capitalism, properly and correctly defined, is choices. The ability for anyone to use their private-property for mass-production to raise the standards of living for themselves and their fellow man and their infinite wants and needs and this is exactly what the miracle of capitalism did. At least until the business-elites grovelled to the political-class because they didn't like the competition from the common man and wished to keep him or her in their own selfish clutches and this is where we are in America today.

    Prior to this period, a man or woman's lot in life was no better than it ever was. A common man could never rise to the level of living as a king but capitalism changed that. This is why we hear the cry of the evils of capitalism. It is a way of keeping the common man in his place through lies and propaganda for his "superiors" and "betters" to live off his/her labor and property. Are you one of those, Meshavir?

    I do not wish to pre-judge you but you are either confused or being deceptive and only you can answer why. Take your pick.
    , @Poupon Marx
    You are a secular Jew who is at least honest and revealing.

    "The Founders were godless revolutionaries".
     
    This is so fatuous as to not warrant further mention.

    Socialism is Communism- Joseph Stalin. He ought to know. Jews have a congenital or genetic skew toward both of these greatly overlapping economic AND social systems. For years, I was inculcated with the view that activist Jews agitated for such Leftist Fascism motivated to help the Working Man, The Little Guy, etc, etc. Now I know better.

    There is no Left or Right, Socialism or Capitalism Schism here, as you falsely, digitally, simplistically put it. Ariana Fallaci said, "Had Marxism not be CREATED (not discovered), it would not exist, because it is synthetic and artificial."

    Here is the probable reason for you proselytizing for socialism: It is a system that is "top-down", command control, smaller number of people directing large numbers. It arbitrarily redistributes earned wealth among the commonweal based on certain "principles", which are large casuistry and saccharine. Socialism deviates from Natural Law and Order, i.e., Nature in that its agency and enterprise follow abstract ideas that come from the ether or are wholly made up for emotional appeal.

    Jews are naturally pre-disposed and pre-loaded to grab these positions of arbitrary power, as people of infinite motivation to deceive, pander, sugar coat, flatter, and manipulate the "Other". As an AMORAL people, the only credo or motive is to win; the end justifies the means. The childish "chose between one or the other, Capitalism versus Socialism, is for suckers, sucks, the weak minded, and the young.

    Pure capitalism has always existed. Hunter gathers exchanged goods that represented "capital" or stored work. Village markets the same. The introduction of money is supposed to represent those goods without them being in situ, on the spot. When that becomes unattached to the goods, that is corruption. This fiat, based on nothing currency, is a system created and dominated by Jews, who then pander and peddle the "corruption of Capitalism".

    Finally, Capitalism practiced properly, in a moral (better, Buddhist) society is prevented from being used as leverage against the well being and lives of other people by the internal and collective consciousness of the citizens. There are more CHOICES IN LIVE under Capitalism.

    Socialism is collectivism. The bigger the State, the smaller the individual. Merit and performance are diminished and mediocrity and sloth are promoted due to "equal outcomes".

    But enough. I believe you know all of this, and the actual is not in the forefront of your dialectic. I believe you are just another Piece of Shit, Jew in this case, who advocates authoritarian and central control whose Tribe is most likely to be the Elite and Directors, Predators versus Prey. Like that supermarket chain that got caught selling old beef that turned brown and putting red dye on the outside to mimic fresh blood, you are selling stale, putrid, fetid, rubbish and sewage.

    Anything you write from here on will be so suspect as agitprop that I hope you decamp and do not return.
  • @Mevashir
    This is the only clip I could find with more than a second of JE. Note him reaching for his throat. Very weird!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxLmnjzqgIw

    I do have the opinion that there's little difference between JE and Hugh Hefner. The women JE imported into his home were not sex slaves and were free to leave anytime. He apparently paid them well. High school girls in America are sluts and sleep around all the time.

    So why is he vilified but Hefner exalted?

    What amazes me is how JE allowed the Maxwell b*tch to manipulate and control him. I feel sorry he was killed. He deserved to spill the beans on all his elitist pals. May God bring into the light what is shrouded in darkness.

    “Hefner is exalted.”
    Not by me! Maybe by a few aging adolescents. No mature, reflective person would think him more than a good businessman. The days when liberal theologians took to Playboy to argue for the congruity of Christianity with The Playboy Philosophy are decades behind us. Several in fact.

    • Replies: @Mevashir

    No mature, reflective person would think him more than a good businessman
     
    Exactly my point: a good businessman. But not a sleazy douche bag as Epstein is depicted. Why the difference?
  • Was it here that someone mentioned the strange coincidence that the headmaster who hired a totally unqualified Epstein to teach at the very tony upper-east side school, Dalton, was an ex-member of the OSS, the precursor of the CIA and the father of the current Attorney General, William Barr charged with investigating this matter?

  • @J. Gutierrez
    Mexican Anon#297

    You write in Spanish as someone who is translating from English. As an American, in fact.

    I am certain I posted my 50 something years in the US on here. What do you expect my Spanish to more closely resemble, of coarse American English, my first language! I fail to understand why you have a need to prove I'm not who I say I am. Can you please explain, because to me it has to be something having to do with you or your lack of. I think it's about you not really being who you say, you are a fake, a phony, a feminine type that was picked on in school! I know your type, the sneaky talk behind people's back, causing problems. When I said Suave Latin Ways, you rolled your eyes and your dumb ass actually wrote that into your comment, something that a woman does or would do.

    You know nothing about me! Because if you did you wouldn't have commented like you did. I can truly say that if you ever knew me, I would be someone that you would watch how you talked to!

    As for your bravery, do you know the word “bravucón”? I will post under any handle I see fit, thank you.


    That sentence means nothing to me, because if you want to get my attention, put it down like a "Man" not like a bitch! I know "Maricon" and that word describes you, utu, Junior, Alden and the rest of your sissy group! My group is made up of a bunch of "Kool Kats". (Taken From GeoKat) My brothers Chuck O and Mevarish already told you what you can do! The rest are welcomed to throw their 2 cents in.

    To you Mexican Anon #279.... I say, find someone else to play with, you are way out of your league.

    My group is made up of a bunch of “Kool Kats”.

    Very Kool, JG. If I were much younger and much more musically talented, I would’ve tried to form a rock band with that name… lol!

  • @Jacques Sheete

    Too Much Commenting on This Thread (Limit of 3/Hour). Take a Break.
    RETURN TO COMMENTING SECTION


     

    Thanks once again to UR. You have liberated me! I can respect your rules, but your advice stinks. Therefore, I shall take a hike, not a mere break.

    3 comments per hour applies to imbecilic 1000 word rants as well as sometimes decent 10 word responses? Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me, but then ya get what ya pay for, I suppose. Anyway, I hope UR hasn’t been infiltrated by the usual wreckers and isn’t going the way of other “antee-Semitik” websites and publications.


    Still, I get the message loud and clear, and it’s time to say, “bye bye,” to UR and the many good guys here. Even tho I haven’t considered UR an online Lonely Heat’s Club, I’m gonna miss the latter.


    PS: In closing, and since we’re trading unsolicited advice, here’s mine.: Work the bugs out of your commenting section and provide a place to report malfunctions at the very least. You may want to screen your authors with a bit of sense from time to time and send your power drunk moderators off to get real jobs as well.

    I’m gonna miss the latter.

    Likewise, JS.

    • Agree: Iris
  • @Mevashir

    read this: Comrade Ruskin - How a Victorian visionary can save communism from Marx
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/comrade-ruskin
     
    It might be above your moral station in life, but this is what many Christians believe is the ideal for Christian community.

    Capitalism is a vile vulgar system of abuse and usurpation.

    Maybe you don't agree, and don't like hearing it, but the people I cited are certainly authoritative and have every right to be heard.

    I don't agree with the Austrian school about much of anything. They are scheming to create a non-spiritual socio-economic system. Their hero Ayn Rand was a Jewish anarchist and atheist. Enough said.

    So you can go back to masterdebating while doing your online trading.

    “It might be above your moral station in life, but this is what many Christians believe is the ideal for Christian community.”

    Irrelevant.

    “Capitalism is a vile vulgar system of abuse and usurpation.”

    False. https://mises.org/library/capitalism
    Can you refute it or not? Redefining capitalism to suit Marxist thought isn’t going to cut it.

    “Maybe you don’t agree, and don’t like hearing it, but the people I cited are certainly authoritative and have every right to be heard.”

    You’re correct, I don’t like hearing you speak about a subject you don’t understand but are pretending you do. You made incorrect claims re: what capitalism is and redefined it to something it is not. It’s dishonest and disingenuous.

    “I don’t agree with the Austrian school about much of anything.”

    I don’t believe you know much, if anything, about the Austrians or economics in general, for that matter. The tip-off was you committing the genetic fallacy with regards to Ayn Rand. My money says you simply did a web search and went with the first result that came up. You’re simply trying to appear erudite on the subject.

    “So you can go back to masterdebating while doing your online trading.”

    Irrelevant.

  • Read more: https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Gutierrez#ixzz5wmw4rilj

    If it really is a German-Spanish combo name, then maybe it really means what I suggested:

    Good Earth (Gut + Tierra). The EZ ending alludes to the Holy Land according to the Dell Sanchez person I mentioned earlier.

    And I didn’t say your Eastern European DNA indicates Jewishness, although it is very possible. But rather your Western European DNA since Spain was filled with Jews from the time of Christ to 1492 (and long after in the form of forced Catholic converts or Crypto-Jews).

    Check out this book that traces the roots of 10,000 English words to Hebrew. The author does the same for other modern languages too, as part of his theory that all languages branched off from Hebrew at the Tower of Babel incident in the bible: https://g.co/kgs/ocJWMs

    Professional linguists scoff at his ideas, but I think they sound credible. And on that basis I proposed the meaning of your surname!

    Have a great weekend Mi Hermano (if I may presume to call you that).

    I have an Australian friend who would take months long trips down the Baja to surf and hang out on the beaches. He would camp out in isolated areas in his little car. He never had any problems and said the Mexicans are wonderful warm people.

    • Troll: Kartoffelstampfer
    • Replies: @Mevashir

    If it really is a German-Spanish combo name, then maybe it really means what I suggested: Good Earth (Gut + Tierra). The EZ ending alludes to the Holy Land according to the Dell Sanchez person I mentioned earlier.
     
    Here are some examples of English words with suggested Hebrew etymological roots:

    Earth from Eretz. OED will say it's from the German Erd, but both words likely come from the Hebrew.

    Death from Da'at, meaning Knowledge, since according to Genesis 3 eating from the Tree of Knowledge brought death into the world.

    Air from Avir

    Wine from Yayin

    Skin (something with a knife) from sakin meaning knife.

    Ore from Ohr meaning light, since gold ore shines.

    Part from Parat meaning a part of something.

    There are many such examples and not just the obvious ones that everyone admits to like Sabbath from Shabbat.

    Good Earth in Hebrew is Eretz Tova. I have a daughter in Israel named Shira Tova meaning Good Song. Here is a verse from the bible (Deut 8) describing the Promised Land: https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/8-7.htm


    Remember the LORD Your God
    …6Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, walking in His ways and fearing Him. 7For the LORD your God is bringing you into a good land, a land of brooks and fountains and springs that flow through the valleys and hills; 8a land of wheat, barley, vines, fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of olive oil and honey;…
     
    I wish you a good weekend = Gute Wochenende. You are a mensch, Yiddish for a man of character and virtue. I am honored to have met you here.

    Shalom Adios!

  • @Mevashir

    I think it would be a good thing if a White racial state could exist actually, even though I disagree with the Alt Right, but there is no realistic chance of this happening.
     
    If you are a Christian move to Russia.

    If you prefer Israel, convert to Judaism or marry a Jewess.

    Good luck to you.

    I would never want to live in Israel or Russia, because they both are authoritarian states where there is little personal freedom, and they both are full of sexual perversion and debauchery.

  • @Anon
    You write in Spanish as someone who is translating from English. As an American, in fact.

    As for your bravery, do you know the word “bravucón”? I will post under any handle I see fit, thank you.

    Mexican Anon#297

    You write in Spanish as someone who is translating from English. As an American, in fact.

    I am certain I posted my 50 something years in the US on here. What do you expect my Spanish to more closely resemble, of coarse American English, my first language! I fail to understand why you have a need to prove I’m not who I say I am. Can you please explain, because to me it has to be something having to do with you or your lack of. I think it’s about you not really being who you say, you are a fake, a phony, a feminine type that was picked on in school! I know your type, the sneaky talk behind people’s back, causing problems. When I said Suave Latin Ways, you rolled your eyes and your dumb ass actually wrote that into your comment, something that a woman does or would do.

    You know nothing about me! Because if you did you wouldn’t have commented like you did. I can truly say that if you ever knew me, I would be someone that you would watch how you talked to!

    As for your bravery, do you know the word “bravucón”? I will post under any handle I see fit, thank you.

    That sentence means nothing to me, because if you want to get my attention, put it down like a “Man” not like a bitch! I know “Maricon” and that word describes you, utu, Junior, Alden and the rest of your sissy group! My group is made up of a bunch of “Kool Kats”. (Taken From GeoKat) My brothers Chuck O and Mevarish already told you what you can do! The rest are welcomed to throw their 2 cents in.

    To you Mexican Anon #279…. I say, find someone else to play with, you are way out of your league.

    • Replies: @geokat62

    My group is made up of a bunch of “Kool Kats”.
     
    Very Kool, JG. If I were much younger and much more musically talented, I would’ve tried to form a rock band with that name... lol!
  • @Mevashir
    PuTiN = acronym for Putin Trump Netanyahu.

    All best buds.

    All white nationalists and religious extremists.

    And NuttyYahoo cozzying up to Orban and other European anti Semitic nationalists. Why doesn't that disturb you?

    What more need be said?

    Of course few know that Israelis are racists and persecute their brown skinned Mizrahi brothers.

    I think it would be a good thing if a White racial state could exist actually, even though I disagree with the Alt Right, but there is no realistic chance of this happening.

    If you are a Christian move to Russia.

    If you prefer Israel, convert to Judaism or marry a Jewess.

    Good luck to you.

    • Replies: @Paul Bustion
    I would never want to live in Israel or Russia, because they both are authoritarian states where there is little personal freedom, and they both are full of sexual perversion and debauchery.
  • @OEMIKITLOB
    Please stop. You are clearly outside the scope of your knowledge and you are spreading ignorance and disinformation. I'm sorry to sound harsh but the country of my birth (the U.S.) has suffered enough from "capitalism" being a catch-all bogeyman for the states failures and Americans mistaught and indoctrinated d with b.s.

    Read and learn, on capitalism proper:

    https://mises.org/library/capitalism-versus-statism

    And the definitive work on socialism. To this day, Mises' work on this subject has never been refuted:

    https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis


    I hope they serve you well.

    read this: Comrade Ruskin – How a Victorian visionary can save communism from Marx
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/comrade-ruskin

    It might be above your moral station in life, but this is what many Christians believe is the ideal for Christian community.

    Capitalism is a vile vulgar system of abuse and usurpation.

    Maybe you don’t agree, and don’t like hearing it, but the people I cited are certainly authoritative and have every right to be heard.

    I don’t agree with the Austrian school about much of anything. They are scheming to create a non-spiritual socio-economic system. Their hero Ayn Rand was a Jewish anarchist and atheist. Enough said.

    So you can go back to masterdebating while doing your online trading.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    "It might be above your moral station in life, but this is what many Christians believe is the ideal for Christian community."

    Irrelevant.

    "Capitalism is a vile vulgar system of abuse and usurpation."

    False. https://mises.org/library/capitalism
    Can you refute it or not? Redefining capitalism to suit Marxist thought isn't going to cut it.

    "Maybe you don’t agree, and don’t like hearing it, but the people I cited are certainly authoritative and have every right to be heard."

    You're correct, I don't like hearing you speak about a subject you don't understand but are pretending you do. You made incorrect claims re: what capitalism is and redefined it to something it is not. It's dishonest and disingenuous.


    "I don’t agree with the Austrian school about much of anything."

    I don't believe you know much, if anything, about the Austrians or economics in general, for that matter. The tip-off was you committing the genetic fallacy with regards to Ayn Rand. My money says you simply did a web search and went with the first result that came up. You're simply trying to appear erudite on the subject.

    "So you can go back to masterdebating while doing your online trading."

    Irrelevant.
  • @melpol
    Many of the rich and famous hold personal secrets which leaves them open for blackmail or extortion. But few of their secrets involve perverted sexual practices. Tax evasion and embezzlement are two categories leaving them vulnerable. Threats of a report to the police or tax authorities can yield a large sum from a wealthy criminal.

    ” few of their secrets involve perverted sexual practices. Tax evasion and embezzlement are two categories leaving them vulnerable.” That is exactly what I was getting at. We agree 100%.

  • @Mevashir

    True again, but Krugman argues that? News to me. Please provide further info.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/column/paul-krugman

    Just about everything Krugman writes at the NYTimes is about how Trump's base vote against their own economic interests because Trump incites them with racial religious and ethnic warfare and hot morality issues.

    Krugman is the only person worth reading at the Times in my opinion.

    Of course he [Marx] was right about a lot, but who isn’t?
     
    You sound pretty arrogant, What have you written to enlighten people about the dangers of unfettered Capitalism? And to those who reflexively denounce Socialism, I like to say:

    Socialism is a system whereby bad money serves the end of making a good society. Capitalism is a system whereby bad society serves the end of making money.


    This book by an English Catholic essayist argues that Capitalism arose when Henry VIII broke with Rome and Elizabeth expropriated monasteries and other church properties (that constituted about 1/3 of the English landholdings) and gave them away to her friends in the nobility. This created overnight a wealthy class of overlords:
    https://www.amazon.com/Servile-State-Hilaire-Belloc/dp/0692282483
    https://archive.org/details/servilestate00belluoft/page/n8

    Someone sent me these articles from Plough magazine, published by the Bruderhof Christian communal organization:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/community/education/the-economics-of-love
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism
    https://www.bruderhof.com/en
    https://www.youtube.com/user/BruderhofCommunities/featured

    Please stop. You are clearly outside the scope of your knowledge and you are spreading ignorance and disinformation. I’m sorry to sound harsh but the country of my birth (the U.S.) has suffered enough from “capitalism” being a catch-all bogeyman for the states failures and Americans mistaught and indoctrinated d with b.s.

    Read and learn, on capitalism proper:

    https://mises.org/library/capitalism-versus-statism

    And the definitive work on socialism. To this day, Mises’ work on this subject has never been refuted:

    https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis

    I hope they serve you well.

    • Replies: @Mevashir

    read this: Comrade Ruskin - How a Victorian visionary can save communism from Marx
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/comrade-ruskin
     
    It might be above your moral station in life, but this is what many Christians believe is the ideal for Christian community.

    Capitalism is a vile vulgar system of abuse and usurpation.

    Maybe you don't agree, and don't like hearing it, but the people I cited are certainly authoritative and have every right to be heard.

    I don't agree with the Austrian school about much of anything. They are scheming to create a non-spiritual socio-economic system. Their hero Ayn Rand was a Jewish anarchist and atheist. Enough said.

    So you can go back to masterdebating while doing your online trading.
  • @Paul Bustion
    I did not say Epstein did not work for the Mossad. I said that his prostitution ring was not connected to Israeli intelligence. Epstein probably did spy for Israeli and also Russian intelligence, given his association with Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father Robert Maxwell is known beyond reasonable doubt to have spied for both the Mossad and the KGB. I would imagine that if Epstein was blackmailing politicians, he did it through financial and political blackmail, and Mafia type blackmail such as knowledge of politicians literally having murdered people. I find the claim he used child prostitutes to seduce politicians and then blackmailed them for Israel or for any other country he spied for implausible, for the reasons I already stated. Most child sexual abusers are of very limited intellectual ability, and perhaps even borderline retarded, and most of them have mental illnesses like autism, schizophrenia and others. Most politicians are highly intelligent. George W. Bush was very much on the dumb side for a politician and his Intelligence Quotient was 125, which means he had a higher intellectual ability than 95 percent of other people. Hitler and the leaders of Nazi Germany were also very much on the dumb side for politicians, but there was an article on Unz called "Hitler's IQ was 125" by Anatoly Karlin that showed Hitler's Intelligence Quotient if he had been tested would have been approximately 125, and that showed that the Nazis leaders who were prosecuted in the Nuremberg Trials were all subject to Intelligence Quotient testing so that their mental competence and culpability could be assessed, and all the Nazi leaders on trial who did anything of real importance in Nazi Germany's government had Intelligence Quotients of 120 or higher, that would mean they were all more intelligent than at least 90% of other people. There is an inverse relationship between pedophilia and intelligence, that is, the more intelligent a person is, statistically the less likely he is to be a pedophile. This is not only true for people of average intelligence compared to people of very below average intelligence, it is also true of people of high intelligence compared to people of average intelligence. The reason pedophiles are sexually interested in children is typically an identification with children, most pedophiles have childish personalities themselves, the more intelligent someone is, typically the less childish the person would be. For these reasons, I find the idea many politicians would be having sex with children very implausible. Additionally, even if many politicians did have sex with children, blackmailing politicians by filming them having sex with children would be a bad idea, because filming an adult having sex with a child is itself a crime, and in some cases it is a more serious crime than the sex with the child itself is.

    I do not reject the claim Epstein worked for the Mossad, I think he probably did some spying for the Mossad. What I reject is the claim his prostitution ring was connected with his spying for the Mossad. I believe if he did any work for the Mossad to try to control politicians in Britain and America it was probably through financial and political blackmail, not through his prostitution ring.

    Many of the rich and famous hold personal secrets which leaves them open for blackmail or extortion. But few of their secrets involve perverted sexual practices. Tax evasion and embezzlement are two categories leaving them vulnerable. Threats of a report to the police or tax authorities can yield a large sum from a wealthy criminal.

    • Replies: @Paul Bustion
    " few of their secrets involve perverted sexual practices. Tax evasion and embezzlement are two categories leaving them vulnerable." That is exactly what I was getting at. We agree 100%.
  • @Mevashir
    Great post thank you for all the information. Is your last name means something like Good Earth, combination German & Spanish?

    Youre 87% Western European DNA might include Jewish. Remember the Jews and Muslims lived in Spain for 700 years before the Inquisition kicked them out.

    I heard that the Inquisition operated in Mexico until the late 1800s!

    I have a close friend who is Hispanic Catholic with Jewish ancestry. She remembers her grandmothers doing all sorts of weird Jewish rituals that they didn't even understand themselves. She also told me about the Cristeros massacres in Mexico in the 1920's, something Americans don't know about

    Is your last name means something like Good Earth, combination German & Spanish?

    From Sirname Database:

    Last name: Gutierrez
    SDB Popularity ranking: 371

    This is a well recorded and popular surname in Spain. It is one of a group which were originally Germanic, and in this respect it could be said to date back to the 5th century a.d. At this time the Roman Empire who held Spain, was in a state of collapse, and into this vacuum came the German tribes known as the Goths, Huns and Vizigoths. This surname in Spain owes its origins to the Vizigoths. It derives from an ancient personal name ‘Gunthair’, the later German Gunther, and meaning ‘Battle-sword’. Such names redolent of war, glory and control were very popular in this period of history known as ‘The Dark Ages’. Later in most Christian countries they were later swamped by the religious revival names of the 12th century, which were of biblical origin. Of these the most famous are the apostles Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. In about the 8th century the Vizigoths returned to Germany, however they left behind some of Spains most popular names and later surnames, of which this is a prime example. Early recordings taken from surviving registers include Diego de Valdiva Gutierrez of Campanario, Badajos, in 1520, and Fernandez Gutierrez christened at Villacid de Campos, Valladolid, on October 4th 1623.

    Read more: https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Gutierrez#ixzz5wmw4rilj

    You were right, maybe that’s where the EEuro % comes from…

    She also told me about the Cristeros massacres in Mexico in the 1920’s, something Americans don’t know about.

    Most people don’t know that Mexico was at constant war until WWII:

    The Conquest (1519-1522) …
    Independence from Spain (1810-1821) …
    The Loss of Texas (1835-1836) …
    The French Invasion (1838-1839) …
    The Mexican-American War (1846-1848) …
    The Reform War (1857-1860)
    The French Intervention (1861-1867)
    The Mexican Revolution (1910-1920)
    The Cristero War (1926-1929)
    World War Two (1939-1945)

    Most people don’t know about Mexico’s involvement WWII. Mexico tried to remain neutral at first during World War Two, but soon had 2 oil tankers sunk by German U-Boats. Mexico decided to side with the allies, and declared war closing its ports to the Germans and confiscating their ships. Mexico traded with the USA during the war, especially oil and minerals, which the US needed desperately.

    A squadron of Mexican fighter pilots (the 202st Aztec Eagles) went and fought the Japanese using US Aircraft, in the Philippines. Mexico’s total contributions included the actions of Mexicans living in the USA who worked in the fields and factories, as well as the hundreds of thousands of Mexicans who joined the American armed forces. These men fought bravely and were given US citizenship after the war.

    The 201st Fighter Squadron was swept under the WWII rug until a few years ago. Those fighter pilots provided American ground troops, close air support and took out enemy artillery. 7 or 8 pilots were lost due to the heavy antiaircraft fire by Japanese gunners.

    I didn’t include the many times the US invaded Mexico.

    Thanks for comment…It made me take a look at the origins of my name…

  • @Monotonous Languor
    "...correcting Indian code..." ??? Man, you've really got the wrong person. Go back and re-read this thread, and/or find whoever wrote that in the first place.

    Your anger is due to your inability to logically address an argument on a point-by-point basis.

    Good luck with all that, chuck-0.

    Go to another site to write about your fantasies about degraded women just begging to be raped.

  • @Jeff Stryker
    TKK


    What if the juvenile had a record for prostitution-as in soliciting, loitering for the purposes of prostitution...that sort of thing?

    We all know you run a prostitution, sex tourism and pornography business in Thailand. Go somewhere else to brag about it.

  • The extent of Israeli spying directed against the United States is a huge story that is only rarely addressed in the mainstream media. The Jewish state regularly tops the list for ostensibly friendly countries that aggressively conduct espionage against the U.S. and Jewish American Jonathan Pollard, who was imprisoned in 1987 for spying for Israel,...
  • Wealthy Jews donate to Israel but have no connection to Mossad. Secrets needed by Israel or any other nation are industrial or insider stock market information. The most potent intelligence gathering organization is the CIA, their budget is a thousand times larger than Mossad. Smart Jews live in NYC or Los Angles not Jerusalem.

  • @anon
    A pedophile is interested in PREPUBESCENT children. Weren't Epstein's alleged victims POST-PUBESCENT, adolescent TEENS? That's EPHEBOPHILIA .

    Doesn't anyone bother with basic correct definitions around here?

    Even the Washington Post describes Epstein as a pedophile.

  • The Jeffrey Epstein saga goes on even though convicted pedophile Epstein himself has been found hanged in his jail cell in Manhattan. One has to wonder how he managed to kill himself, if that is indeed the case, as he was reportedly on suicide watch at the prison and it is to be presumed that...
  • @Muggles
    Hmmm... the notorious Whitey Bulgar is beaten to death by mafia goons in a high security federal prison. Now Mr. Epstein is found hanged in a NYC jail (details pending). Lots of people wanted both of these guys dead. And forever silent.

    Seems like having your intended victim safely under lock and key is the best way to keep them permanently quiet. An old but reliable tactic.

    Let's see who's celebrating with a big party this weekend.

    Wealthy perverts are not often murdered while in prison, but extorted. There is no sense killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Poor white perverts get the worse treatment, they are bullied and beaten. Non-white perverts even if poor are accepted into the prison jungle.

  • @Muggles
    Hmmm... the notorious Whitey Bulgar is beaten to death by mafia goons in a high security federal prison. Now Mr. Epstein is found hanged in a NYC jail (details pending). Lots of people wanted both of these guys dead. And forever silent.

    Seems like having your intended victim safely under lock and key is the best way to keep them permanently quiet. An old but reliable tactic.

    Let's see who's celebrating with a big party this weekend.

    Wealthy perverts are not often murdered while in prison, but extorted. There is no sense killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Poor white perverts get the worse treatment, they are bullied and beaten. Non-white perverts even if poor are accepted into the prison jungle.

  • @Mevashir
    PuTiN = acronym for Putin Trump Netanyahu.

    All best buds.

    All white nationalists and religious extremists.

    And NuttyYahoo cozzying up to Orban and other European anti Semitic nationalists. Why doesn't that disturb you?

    What more need be said?

    Of course few know that Israelis are racists and persecute their brown skinned Mizrahi brothers.

    “And NuttyYahoo cozzying up to Orban and other European anti Semitic nationalists. Why doesn’t that disturb you?” Even if Netanyahu does support “European anti Semitic nationalists” I do not live in Europe, and I do not live in Israel, and I am not planning to live in either place ever. So I do not understand why this would bother me. White Nationalism and the Alt Right have no chance of succeeding politically where I live, the USA, the exact opposite is the problem, the USA being flooded with massive Third World immigration reducing Europeans to a minority, that is not White Nationalism. I think it would be a good thing if a White racial state could exist actually, even though I disagree with the Alt Right, but there is no realistic chance of this happening. I neither understand why you think I should be bothered about irrelevant political movements that have no chance of success, nor why you think that multicultural societies are preferable to mono-cultural ones.

  • Too Much Commenting on This Thread (Limit of 3/Hour). Take a Break.
    RETURN TO COMMENTING SECTION

    Thanks once again to UR. You have liberated me! I can respect your rules, but your advice stinks. Therefore, I shall take a hike, not a mere break.

    3 comments per hour applies to imbecilic 1000 word rants as well as sometimes decent 10 word responses? Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me, but then ya get what ya pay for, I suppose. Anyway, I hope UR hasn’t been infiltrated by the usual wreckers and isn’t going the way of other “antee-Semitik” websites and publications.

    Still, I get the message loud and clear, and it’s time to say, “bye bye,” to UR and the many good guys here. Even tho I haven’t considered UR an online Lonely Heat’s Club, I’m gonna miss the latter.

    PS: In closing, and since we’re trading unsolicited advice, here’s mine.: Work the bugs out of your commenting section and provide a place to report malfunctions at the very least. You may want to screen your authors with a bit of sense from time to time and send your power drunk moderators off to get real jobs as well.

    • Agree: Kartoffelstampfer
    • Replies: @geokat62

    I’m gonna miss the latter.
     
    Likewise, JS.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    Yo, Jacques Sheete!

    Am mourning for the insult that came your way. Was very bad for "our" morale. 😟

    Am hoping the heads up on "Too much commenting" was done in either error or perhaps done during a cocktail, "Happy Hour."

    Maybe a U.R. comment-Moderator's email shall arrive in your "inbox" because, no doubt, you are have a heroic record as an anti-Supremacist Jew, WARRIOR.

    (Zigh) A bad day at "Epstein RIP" but Jacques Sheete fucking lives!
    , @Erebus

    Anyway, I hope UR hasn’t been infiltrated by the usual wreckers...
     
    This thread sure has wandered far off the Epstein trail and into irrelevant shrubbery, apparently by design.

    ... and isn’t going the way of other “antee-Semitik” websites and publications.
     
    It seems to lead a charmed life, not unlike Epstein himself. All good, until it ain't.

    ... it’s time to say, “bye bye,” to UR and the many good guys here. Even tho I haven’t considered UR an online Lonely Heat’s Club, I’m gonna miss the latter.
     
    I'm scaling back myself. I've noticed both the apparent withdrawals by serious commenters I've always made a point of reading and the rise of organized, relatively sophisticated trollery that has apparently escaped the notice of the moderators. I doubt that the two are unrelated.

    Not always in agreement Jacques, but always read your comments. Tally Ho.
    , @Jon Baptist
    Jacques, don't go. Fight the fight!
  • @Mevashir

    True again, but Krugman argues that? News to me. Please provide further info.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/column/paul-krugman

    Just about everything Krugman writes at the NYTimes is about how Trump's base vote against their own economic interests because Trump incites them with racial religious and ethnic warfare and hot morality issues.

    Krugman is the only person worth reading at the Times in my opinion.

    Of course he [Marx] was right about a lot, but who isn’t?
     
    You sound pretty arrogant, What have you written to enlighten people about the dangers of unfettered Capitalism? And to those who reflexively denounce Socialism, I like to say:

    Socialism is a system whereby bad money serves the end of making a good society. Capitalism is a system whereby bad society serves the end of making money.


    This book by an English Catholic essayist argues that Capitalism arose when Henry VIII broke with Rome and Elizabeth expropriated monasteries and other church properties (that constituted about 1/3 of the English landholdings) and gave them away to her friends in the nobility. This created overnight a wealthy class of overlords:
    https://www.amazon.com/Servile-State-Hilaire-Belloc/dp/0692282483
    https://archive.org/details/servilestate00belluoft/page/n8

    Someone sent me these articles from Plough magazine, published by the Bruderhof Christian communal organization:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/community/education/the-economics-of-love
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism
    https://www.bruderhof.com/en
    https://www.youtube.com/user/BruderhofCommunities/featured

    You sound pretty arrogant

    Likewise.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    What do you think of this: https://www.plough.com/en/topics/justice/comrade-ruskin
  • @Colin Wright
    'Philip Giralid’s theory that Jeffrey Epstein was running his prostitution ring as a honeypot operation that had his child prostitutes sexually seduce politicians so he could film the politicians having sex with children so he could blackmail them into supporting Israel and giving espionage information to the Mossad is ridiculous, to put it politely...'

    Perhaps -- but do you have an alternative theory to account for the data?

    Epstein had access to immense wealth without any clear explanation of how he got it. This -- to put it mildly -- is unusual. We know, for example, exactly how Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, Carlos Slim et al, et al got their stash. You don't accumulate vast wealth without leaving a paper trail behind you.

    Epstein was closely associated with numerous Zionists, Israeli politicians, and pro-Israeli politicians. In fact, that seems to describe everyone he associated with: Clinton, Ehud Barak, Dershowitz, Ghislane Maxwell, Wexler...

    When caught committing rather heinous sexual offenses, he was first simply given parole, then allowed to plea-bargain his way into one year of singularly comfortable incarceration. The prosecuting attorney says he was warned off: Epstein was 'intelligence.'

    And now we have Epstein's rather definite murder.

    If you don't like the Mossad theory, offer a better one.

    I did not say Epstein did not work for the Mossad. I said that his prostitution ring was not connected to Israeli intelligence. Epstein probably did spy for Israeli and also Russian intelligence, given his association with Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father Robert Maxwell is known beyond reasonable doubt to have spied for both the Mossad and the KGB. I would imagine that if Epstein was blackmailing politicians, he did it through financial and political blackmail, and Mafia type blackmail such as knowledge of politicians literally having murdered people. I find the claim he used child prostitutes to seduce politicians and then blackmailed them for Israel or for any other country he spied for implausible, for the reasons I already stated. Most child sexual abusers are of very limited intellectual ability, and perhaps even borderline retarded, and most of them have mental illnesses like autism, schizophrenia and others. Most politicians are highly intelligent. George W. Bush was very much on the dumb side for a politician and his Intelligence Quotient was 125, which means he had a higher intellectual ability than 95 percent of other people. Hitler and the leaders of Nazi Germany were also very much on the dumb side for politicians, but there was an article on Unz called “Hitler’s IQ was 125” by Anatoly Karlin that showed Hitler’s Intelligence Quotient if he had been tested would have been approximately 125, and that showed that the Nazis leaders who were prosecuted in the Nuremberg Trials were all subject to Intelligence Quotient testing so that their mental competence and culpability could be assessed, and all the Nazi leaders on trial who did anything of real importance in Nazi Germany’s government had Intelligence Quotients of 120 or higher, that would mean they were all more intelligent than at least 90% of other people. There is an inverse relationship between pedophilia and intelligence, that is, the more intelligent a person is, statistically the less likely he is to be a pedophile. This is not only true for people of average intelligence compared to people of very below average intelligence, it is also true of people of high intelligence compared to people of average intelligence. The reason pedophiles are sexually interested in children is typically an identification with children, most pedophiles have childish personalities themselves, the more intelligent someone is, typically the less childish the person would be. For these reasons, I find the idea many politicians would be having sex with children very implausible. Additionally, even if many politicians did have sex with children, blackmailing politicians by filming them having sex with children would be a bad idea, because filming an adult having sex with a child is itself a crime, and in some cases it is a more serious crime than the sex with the child itself is.

    I do not reject the claim Epstein worked for the Mossad, I think he probably did some spying for the Mossad. What I reject is the claim his prostitution ring was connected with his spying for the Mossad. I believe if he did any work for the Mossad to try to control politicians in Britain and America it was probably through financial and political blackmail, not through his prostitution ring.

    • Replies: @melpol
    Many of the rich and famous hold personal secrets which leaves them open for blackmail or extortion. But few of their secrets involve perverted sexual practices. Tax evasion and embezzlement are two categories leaving them vulnerable. Threats of a report to the police or tax authorities can yield a large sum from a wealthy criminal.
  • Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mevashir

    True again, but Krugman argues that? News to me. Please provide further info.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/column/paul-krugman

    Just about everything Krugman writes at the NYTimes is about how Trump's base vote against their own economic interests because Trump incites them with racial religious and ethnic warfare and hot morality issues.

    Krugman is the only person worth reading at the Times in my opinion.

    Of course he [Marx] was right about a lot, but who isn’t?
     
    You sound pretty arrogant, What have you written to enlighten people about the dangers of unfettered Capitalism? And to those who reflexively denounce Socialism, I like to say:

    Socialism is a system whereby bad money serves the end of making a good society. Capitalism is a system whereby bad society serves the end of making money.


    This book by an English Catholic essayist argues that Capitalism arose when Henry VIII broke with Rome and Elizabeth expropriated monasteries and other church properties (that constituted about 1/3 of the English landholdings) and gave them away to her friends in the nobility. This created overnight a wealthy class of overlords:
    https://www.amazon.com/Servile-State-Hilaire-Belloc/dp/0692282483
    https://archive.org/details/servilestate00belluoft/page/n8

    Someone sent me these articles from Plough magazine, published by the Bruderhof Christian communal organization:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/community/education/the-economics-of-love
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism
    https://www.bruderhof.com/en
    https://www.youtube.com/user/BruderhofCommunities/featured

    Henry 8 and Thomas Cromwell confiscated the monasteries and closed down the monasteries when Elizabeth was a child. It happened between about 1535 and 1542.

    Belloc should have checked the dates.

    Elizabeth has to create a very restrictive welfare system because the men who bought monastic properties from Henry discontinued the previous welfare system. .

  • @Paul Bustion
    Philip Giralid's theory that Jeffrey Epstein was running his prostitution ring as a honeypot operation that had his child prostitutes sexually seduce politicians so he could film the politicians having sex with children so he could blackmail them into supporting Israel and giving espionage information to the Mossad is ridiculous, to put it politely. There is not only no evidence for this theory, there is also no reasonable or practical motive for the alleged behavior, and the alleged behavior would not make sense because it is very unlikely that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles. There is no reasonable or practical motive for the behavior because the Jewish political establishment already owns our political leaders as its puppets, so it does not need to blackmail them. The way it has establishment this amount of control is through forming a social network where Jews recruit Non-Jews to do their bidding, Jews created Freemasonry as their political agency to help them do this. Freemasonry is a political agency of Jewry, it allows Non-Jews to join it in order to help increase Jewish political power in Non-Jewish societies, Non-Jews who join it have to swear a loyalty oath to the organization and then form an in group preference for other members of the Jewish led organization. Jews also use their control of finance and banking to have this kind of political power. They do not need child prostitution ring to sexually seduce politicians so they can blackmail them to achieve political power, because they already control the political establishment.
    Additionally, even if the Jewish political elites wanted or needed to blackmail our political leaders, this would be a very stupid way to do it. Filming sex between an adult and a child is a very serious crime, it actually in some cases is more serious than an adult having sex with a child, the person threatening blackmail against the person with the film would unless he had a very stupid victim have someone who would realize the person himself would go to prison if he showed anyone the film, so it would not be a good way to blackmail someone. There are much better ways to blackmail political leaders, such as finding out if they committed financial or political crimes or if they murdered someone, that would not involve such risks.
    It is not plausible that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles because pedophiles usually have very limited intellectual ability, and are perhaps even borderline mentally retarded, and pedophiles usually are mentally ill. Dr. James Cantor, an expert on sexual perversion generally and pedophilia particularly, stated in a YouTube video titled "The Pedophile's Brain" published on the YouTube channel "TEDI BEAR Children's Advocacy Center" on July 19, 2015, that pedophiles on average, score 10-15 points below average on Intelligence Quotient tests. That means that only between 16-25 percent of pedophiles are equally intelligent or more intelligent than the average person in western countries like Britain and America. Cantor also stated that pedophiles tend to have less white matter in their brains than the general population does, white matter is responsible for a lot of the social understanding of the brain and also for connecting brain regions to enable reasoning that requires connected understanding of different topics together. He also said that 30% of pedophiles are left handed while only 12% of the general population is left handed, this is what Darwin called a "correlation of growth" when two phenotypic traits appear very frequently together in biological organisms, another example cited by Darwin was that blue eyed cats are usually deaf. Cantor said that the only other population groups with this high rates of left handed are autistics, schizophrenics and bipolars. Cantor concluded that what causes pedophilia is that pedophiles have a mental problem that causes their brain to be cross wired, so that the sexual responses are inappropriately connected with children whereas most people have a moral inhibition against sexual attraction to children. There are two peer reviewed articles by scientists I have read that discuss evidence autism is correlated in a causal way with pedophilia. They are “Paraphilic Disorder in a Male Patient with Autism Spectrum Disorder: Incidence or Coincidence,” by B. Kolta and G. Rossi, edited by A. Muocivic and J.R. Adler Cureus May 2018 and “Sexuality in autism: hypersexual and paraphilic behavior in women and men with high-functioning autism spectrum disorder,” by Daniel Schottle, Peer Briken, Oliver Tuscher and Daniel Turner published in “Dialogues in Clinical Neuroscience,” in December 2017 In the second article, the authors stated: ""Altogether, paraphilic sexual fantasies and behaviors were reported more frequently in male patients with ASD than in male HCs [Health Controls; that is people who are mentally healthy and do not have autism or another mental illness]. After correcting for multiple testing, significant differences were still present in the number of individuals reporting masochistic fantasies, sadistic fantasies, voyeuristic fantasies and behaviors, frotteuristic fantasies and behaviors, and pedophilic fantasies with female children" The authors of the first article wrote: "Fernandes et al. were able to demonstrate that 30% of the low-functioning ASD patients showed some kind of inappropriate sexual behaviors, most frequently public masturbation, indecent exposure, and inappropriate heterosexual behaviors . When looking at higher functioning patients with autism spectrum disorder they reported 10% demonstrated inappropriate sexual behaviors . The study also revealed that 24% of high-functioning individuals with ASD engaged in paraphilic sexual fantasies or behaviors including classic presentations of paraphilic disorder such as pedophilia, voyeurism, and sadomasochism " So pedophilia is linked to both low intellectual ability, and to mental illness. A person needs to be highly intelligent to be a political leader, George W Bush was on the dumb side for a political leader and his Intelligence Quotient was 124, that is the 94th percentile, that means George W Bush is more intelligent than 94 percent of other people. During the Nuremberg Trials all of the Nazis leaders who did anything of real importance scored at least 120 on the Intelligence Quotient test, which means they were smarter than 90% of other people, and the Nazis were also known for being on the dumb side for political leaders. The idea that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles is ridiculous because of this, so this makes Giraldi's claim obviously ridiculous.

    Didn’t your third grade teacher tell you about paragraphs?

  • @ Paul Bustion #960

    A mega show of stupidity!

  • @Paul Bustion
    Philip Giralid's theory that Jeffrey Epstein was running his prostitution ring as a honeypot operation that had his child prostitutes sexually seduce politicians so he could film the politicians having sex with children so he could blackmail them into supporting Israel and giving espionage information to the Mossad is ridiculous, to put it politely. There is not only no evidence for this theory, there is also no reasonable or practical motive for the alleged behavior, and the alleged behavior would not make sense because it is very unlikely that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles. There is no reasonable or practical motive for the behavior because the Jewish political establishment already owns our political leaders as its puppets, so it does not need to blackmail them. The way it has establishment this amount of control is through forming a social network where Jews recruit Non-Jews to do their bidding, Jews created Freemasonry as their political agency to help them do this. Freemasonry is a political agency of Jewry, it allows Non-Jews to join it in order to help increase Jewish political power in Non-Jewish societies, Non-Jews who join it have to swear a loyalty oath to the organization and then form an in group preference for other members of the Jewish led organization. Jews also use their control of finance and banking to have this kind of political power. They do not need child prostitution ring to sexually seduce politicians so they can blackmail them to achieve political power, because they already control the political establishment.
    Additionally, even if the Jewish political elites wanted or needed to blackmail our political leaders, this would be a very stupid way to do it. Filming sex between an adult and a child is a very serious crime, it actually in some cases is more serious than an adult having sex with a child, the person threatening blackmail against the person with the film would unless he had a very stupid victim have someone who would realize the person himself would go to prison if he showed anyone the film, so it would not be a good way to blackmail someone. There are much better ways to blackmail political leaders, such as finding out if they committed financial or political crimes or if they murdered someone, that would not involve such risks.
    It is not plausible that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles because pedophiles usually have very limited intellectual ability, and are perhaps even borderline mentally retarded, and pedophiles usually are mentally ill. Dr. James Cantor, an expert on sexual perversion generally and pedophilia particularly, stated in a YouTube video titled "The Pedophile's Brain" published on the YouTube channel "TEDI BEAR Children's Advocacy Center" on July 19, 2015, that pedophiles on average, score 10-15 points below average on Intelligence Quotient tests. That means that only between 16-25 percent of pedophiles are equally intelligent or more intelligent than the average person in western countries like Britain and America. Cantor also stated that pedophiles tend to have less white matter in their brains than the general population does, white matter is responsible for a lot of the social understanding of the brain and also for connecting brain regions to enable reasoning that requires connected understanding of different topics together. He also said that 30% of pedophiles are left handed while only 12% of the general population is left handed, this is what Darwin called a "correlation of growth" when two phenotypic traits appear very frequently together in biological organisms, another example cited by Darwin was that blue eyed cats are usually deaf. Cantor said that the only other population groups with this high rates of left handed are autistics, schizophrenics and bipolars. Cantor concluded that what causes pedophilia is that pedophiles have a mental problem that causes their brain to be cross wired, so that the sexual responses are inappropriately connected with children whereas most people have a moral inhibition against sexual attraction to children. There are two peer reviewed articles by scientists I have read that discuss evidence autism is correlated in a causal way with pedophilia. They are “Paraphilic Disorder in a Male Patient with Autism Spectrum Disorder: Incidence or Coincidence,” by B. Kolta and G. Rossi, edited by A. Muocivic and J.R. Adler Cureus May 2018 and “Sexuality in autism: hypersexual and paraphilic behavior in women and men with high-functioning autism spectrum disorder,” by Daniel Schottle, Peer Briken, Oliver Tuscher and Daniel Turner published in “Dialogues in Clinical Neuroscience,” in December 2017 In the second article, the authors stated: ""Altogether, paraphilic sexual fantasies and behaviors were reported more frequently in male patients with ASD than in male HCs [Health Controls; that is people who are mentally healthy and do not have autism or another mental illness]. After correcting for multiple testing, significant differences were still present in the number of individuals reporting masochistic fantasies, sadistic fantasies, voyeuristic fantasies and behaviors, frotteuristic fantasies and behaviors, and pedophilic fantasies with female children" The authors of the first article wrote: "Fernandes et al. were able to demonstrate that 30% of the low-functioning ASD patients showed some kind of inappropriate sexual behaviors, most frequently public masturbation, indecent exposure, and inappropriate heterosexual behaviors . When looking at higher functioning patients with autism spectrum disorder they reported 10% demonstrated inappropriate sexual behaviors . The study also revealed that 24% of high-functioning individuals with ASD engaged in paraphilic sexual fantasies or behaviors including classic presentations of paraphilic disorder such as pedophilia, voyeurism, and sadomasochism " So pedophilia is linked to both low intellectual ability, and to mental illness. A person needs to be highly intelligent to be a political leader, George W Bush was on the dumb side for a political leader and his Intelligence Quotient was 124, that is the 94th percentile, that means George W Bush is more intelligent than 94 percent of other people. During the Nuremberg Trials all of the Nazis leaders who did anything of real importance scored at least 120 on the Intelligence Quotient test, which means they were smarter than 90% of other people, and the Nazis were also known for being on the dumb side for political leaders. The idea that any substantial number of politicians are pedophiles is ridiculous because of this, so this makes Giraldi's claim obviously ridiculous.

    ‘Philip Giralid’s theory that Jeffrey Epstein was running his prostitution ring as a honeypot operation that had his child prostitutes sexually seduce politicians so he could film the politicians having sex with children so he could blackmail them into supporting Israel and giving espionage information to the Mossad is ridiculous, to put it politely…’

    Perhaps — but do you have an alternative theory to account for the data?

    Epstein had access to immense wealth without any clear explanation of how he got it. This — to put it mildly — is unusual. We know, for example, exactly how Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, Carlos Slim et al, et al got their stash. You don’t accumulate vast wealth without leaving a paper trail behind you.

    Epstein was closely associated with numerous Zionists, Israeli politicians, and pro-Israeli politicians. In fact, that seems to describe everyone he associated with: Clinton, Ehud Barak, Dershowitz, Ghislane Maxwell, Wexler…

    When caught committing rather heinous sexual offenses, he was first simply given parole, then allowed to plea-bargain his way into one year of singularly comfortable incarceration. The prosecuting attorney says he was warned off: Epstein was ‘intelligence.’

    And now we have Epstein’s rather definite murder.

    If you don’t like the Mossad theory, offer a better one.

    • Replies: @Paul Bustion
    I did not say Epstein did not work for the Mossad. I said that his prostitution ring was not connected to Israeli intelligence. Epstein probably did spy for Israeli and also Russian intelligence, given his association with Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father Robert Maxwell is known beyond reasonable doubt to have spied for both the Mossad and the KGB. I would imagine that if Epstein was blackmailing politicians, he did it through financial and political blackmail, and Mafia type blackmail such as knowledge of politicians literally having murdered people. I find the claim he used child prostitutes to seduce politicians and then blackmailed them for Israel or for any other country he spied for implausible, for the reasons I already stated. Most child sexual abusers are of very limited intellectual ability, and perhaps even borderline retarded, and most of them have mental illnesses like autism, schizophrenia and others. Most politicians are highly intelligent. George W. Bush was very much on the dumb side for a politician and his Intelligence Quotient was 125, which means he had a higher intellectual ability than 95 percent of other people. Hitler and the leaders of Nazi Germany were also very much on the dumb side for politicians, but there was an article on Unz called "Hitler's IQ was 125" by Anatoly Karlin that showed Hitler's Intelligence Quotient if he had been tested would have been approximately 125, and that showed that the Nazis leaders who were prosecuted in the Nuremberg Trials were all subject to Intelligence Quotient testing so that their mental competence and culpability could be assessed, and all the Nazi leaders on trial who did anything of real importance in Nazi Germany's government had Intelligence Quotients of 120 or higher, that would mean they were all more intelligent than at least 90% of other people. There is an inverse relationship between pedophilia and intelligence, that is, the more intelligent a person is, statistically the less likely he is to be a pedophile. This is not only true for people of average intelligence compared to people of very below average intelligence, it is also true of people of high intelligence compared to people of average intelligence. The reason pedophiles are sexually interested in children is typically an identification with children, most pedophiles have childish personalities themselves, the more intelligent someone is, typically the less childish the person would be. For these reasons, I find the idea many politicians would be having sex with children very implausible. Additionally, even if many politicians did have sex with children, blackmailing politicians by filming them having sex with children would be a bad idea, because filming an adult having sex with a child is itself a crime, and in some cases it is a more serious crime than the sex with the child itself is.

    I do not reject the claim Epstein worked for the Mossad, I think he probably did some spying for the Mossad. What I reject is the claim his prostitution ring was connected with his spying for the Mossad. I believe if he did any work for the Mossad to try to control politicians in Britain and America it was probably through financial and political blackmail, not through his prostitution ring.
  • @Paul Bustion
    "Israel desperately wants to create an alliance with white nationalists in Europe & America." White Nationalists have zero chance of succeeding politically in the USA, they may succeed in some countries in Europe, but in the USA they are completely irrelevant, and in most Western European countries they are completely irrelevant. The only countries I could see White Nationalists perhaps succeeding in are certain Eastern European countries, such as Poland, but that is only if those countries manage to remain free of Russian domination, which is a somewhat doubtful prospect. Israel has no reason to want to create an alliance with White Nationalists, who are essentially irrelevant politically in America, Britain and most of Europe. And there is no evidence Israel is doing this. So I have no idea why you would make that comment.

    PuTiN = acronym for Putin Trump Netanyahu.

    All best buds.

    All white nationalists and religious extremists.

    And NuttyYahoo cozzying up to Orban and other European anti Semitic nationalists. Why doesn’t that disturb you?

    What more need be said?

    Of course few know that Israelis are racists and persecute their brown skinned Mizrahi brothers.

    • Replies: @Paul Bustion
    "And NuttyYahoo cozzying up to Orban and other European anti Semitic nationalists. Why doesn’t that disturb you?" Even if Netanyahu does support "European anti Semitic nationalists" I do not live in Europe, and I do not live in Israel, and I am not planning to live in either place ever. So I do not understand why this would bother me. White Nationalism and the Alt Right have no chance of succeeding politically where I live, the USA, the exact opposite is the problem, the USA being flooded with massive Third World immigration reducing Europeans to a minority, that is not White Nationalism. I think it would be a good thing if a White racial state could exist actually, even though I disagree with the Alt Right, but there is no realistic chance of this happening. I neither understand why you think I should be bothered about irrelevant political movements that have no chance of success, nor why you think that multicultural societies are preferable to mono-cultural ones.
    , @Mevashir

    I think it would be a good thing if a White racial state could exist actually, even though I disagree with the Alt Right, but there is no realistic chance of this happening.
     
    If you are a Christian move to Russia.

    If you prefer Israel, convert to Judaism or marry a Jewess.

    Good luck to you.
  • @Jacques Sheete

    The rich want to turn the world into a borderless economy where all workers can be employed at the same destitute levels &the rich can Control everyone.
     
    Of course. What surprises me is that the concept is thousands of years old, yet so few are aware of it.

    Ethnic racial &class conflict is a smokescreen for the rich to distract us from their pillaging the economy Exactly as Paul Krugman argues.
     
    True again, but Krugman argues that? News to me. Please provide further info.

    More and more Karl Marx’s analysis looks correct.
     
    Marx was a tool of certain rich and if he weren't backed by them, no one would've ever heard of the mouthy fool. Then there's this.:

    “ It’s possible that I shall make an ass of myself. But in that case one can always get out of it with a little dialectic. I have, of course, so worded my proposition as to be right either way.

    Karl Marx, Letter to Friedrich Engels, dated 15 August 1857
     
    Of course he was right about a lot, but who isn't?

    What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.

    -Karl Marx, On The Jewish Question, published 1844

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

     

    True again, but Krugman argues that? News to me. Please provide further info.

    https://www.nytimes.com/column/paul-krugman

    Just about everything Krugman writes at the NYTimes is about how Trump’s base vote against their own economic interests because Trump incites them with racial religious and ethnic warfare and hot morality issues.

    Krugman is the only person worth reading at the Times in my opinion.

    Of course he [Marx] was right about a lot, but who isn’t?

    You sound pretty arrogant, What have you written to enlighten people about the dangers of unfettered Capitalism? And to those who reflexively denounce Socialism, I like to say:

    Socialism is a system whereby bad money serves the end of making a good society. Capitalism is a system whereby bad society serves the end of making money.

    This book by an English Catholic essayist argues that Capitalism arose when Henry VIII broke with Rome and Elizabeth expropriated monasteries and other church properties (that constituted about 1/3 of the English landholdings) and gave them away to her friends in the nobility. This created overnight a wealthy class of overlords:

    https://archive.org/details/servilestate00belluoft/page/n8

    Someone sent me these articles from Plough magazine, published by the Bruderhof Christian communal organization:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/community/education/the-economics-of-love
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism
    https://www.bruderhof.com/en
    https://www.youtube.com/user/BruderhofCommunities/featured

    • Replies: @Anon
    Henry 8 and Thomas Cromwell confiscated the monasteries and closed down the monasteries when Elizabeth was a child. It happened between about 1535 and 1542.

    Belloc should have checked the dates.

    Elizabeth has to create a very restrictive welfare system because the men who bought monastic properties from Henry discontinued the previous welfare system. .
    , @Jacques Sheete

    You sound pretty arrogant
     
    Likewise.
    , @OEMIKITLOB
    Please stop. You are clearly outside the scope of your knowledge and you are spreading ignorance and disinformation. I'm sorry to sound harsh but the country of my birth (the U.S.) has suffered enough from "capitalism" being a catch-all bogeyman for the states failures and Americans mistaught and indoctrinated d with b.s.

    Read and learn, on capitalism proper:

    https://mises.org/library/capitalism-versus-statism

    And the definitive work on socialism. To this day, Mises' work on this subject has never been refuted:

    https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis


    I hope they serve you well.
  • @Colin Wright
    'I put a screen shot of Epstein reaching for his throat on my FB page here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=420274012167131&set=a.110438003150735&type=3&theater'

    Doesn't work. Were you blocked that quickly, or is the link just bad?
  • @Mevashir
    Concerning Israel Banning the two Congresswomen at Devil Don's request. Notice that not a single journalist bothered to ask why Israel has veto power Over access to the West Bank. So much for Palestinian autonomy. What a lie!

    Israel desperately wants to create an alliance with white nationalists in Europe & America. (Remember the lying puta Ilana Mercer!) The problem is that Israel is 60% Middle Eastern Jews who are not white but Brown. It is all a gigantic lie and deception.

    And It only works because the goyim are so incredibly stupidos multos grandissimos!

    “Israel desperately wants to create an alliance with white nationalists in Europe & America.” White Nationalists have zero chance of succeeding politically in the USA, they may succeed in some countries in Europe, but in the USA they are completely irrelevant, and in most Western European countries they are completely irrelevant. The only countries I could see White Nationalists perhaps succeeding in are certain Eastern European countries, such as Poland, but that is only if those countries manage to remain free of Russian domination, which is a somewhat doubtful prospect. Israel has no reason to want to create an alliance with White Nationalists, who are essentially irrelevant politically in America, Britain and most of Europe. And there is no evidence Israel is doing this. So I have no idea why you would make that comment.

    • Troll: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    PuTiN = acronym for Putin Trump Netanyahu.

    All best buds.

    All white nationalists and religious extremists.

    And NuttyYahoo cozzying up to Orban and other European anti Semitic nationalists. Why doesn't that disturb you?

    What more need be said?

    Of course few know that Israelis are racists and persecute their brown skinned Mizrahi brothers.

  • @Jacques Sheete

    The mind boggles, the stomach turns…
     
    At the red, white and blue.


    You do realize, don't you, that we can never unsee that image? What a bunch of perverts.

    You do realize, don’t you, that we can never unsee that image? What a bunch of perverts.

    Similarly, seeing Clinton in that blue dress, the term ‘debased’ is what came to my mind.

  • Concerning Israel Banning the two Congresswomen at Devil Don’s request. Notice that not a single journalist bothered to ask why Israel has veto power Over access to the West Bank. So much for Palestinian autonomy. What a lie!

    Israel desperately wants to create an alliance with white nationalists in Europe & America. (Remember the lying puta Ilana Mercer!) The problem is that Israel is 60% Middle Eastern Jews who are not white but Brown. It is all a gigantic lie and deception.

    And It only works because the goyim are so incredibly stupidos multos grandissimos!

    • Replies: @Paul Bustion
    "Israel desperately wants to create an alliance with white nationalists in Europe & America." White Nationalists have zero chance of succeeding politically in the USA, they may succeed in some countries in Europe, but in the USA they are completely irrelevant, and in most Western European countries they are completely irrelevant. The only countries I could see White Nationalists perhaps succeeding in are certain Eastern European countries, such as Poland, but that is only if those countries manage to remain free of Russian domination, which is a somewhat doubtful prospect. Israel has no reason to want to create an alliance with White Nationalists, who are essentially irrelevant politically in America, Britain and most of Europe. And there is no evidence Israel is doing this. So I have no idea why you would make that comment.
  • @Mevashir
    https://www.google.com/search?q=time+on+the+cross+pdf&oq=time+on+a+cross+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.12097j0j7&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

    This book by a University of Chicago Jewish Economist who is married to a black woman professor at the same University argues that black slaves were actually much better off than after Emancipation when they would be employed at wage slave Levels. Slaves in the South, because they were a large investment to the owners, were provided with housing clothing and Medical Care. None of this was available to them after they journeyed to the North after the Civil War ended and lived in horrible ghettos.

    The rich want to turn the world into a borderless economy where all workers can be employed at the same destitute levels &the rich can Control everyone.

    Ethnic racial &class conflict is a smokescreen for the rich to distract us from their pillaging the economy Exactly as Paul Krugman argues.

    More and more Karl Marx's analysis looks correct. You should see this article by a professor at Notre Dame University on Christianity and communism: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/opinion/sunday/christianity-communism.html

    The rich want to turn the world into a borderless economy where all workers can be employed at the same destitute levels &the rich can Control everyone.

    Of course. What surprises me is that the concept is thousands of years old, yet so few are aware of it.

    Ethnic racial &class conflict is a smokescreen for the rich to distract us from their pillaging the economy Exactly as Paul Krugman argues.

    True again, but Krugman argues that? News to me. Please provide further info.

    More and more Karl Marx’s analysis looks correct.

    Marx was a tool of certain rich and if he weren’t backed by them, no one would’ve ever heard of the mouthy fool. Then there’s this.:

    “ It’s possible that I shall make an ass of myself. But in that case one can always get out of it with a little dialectic. I have, of course, so worded my proposition as to be right either way.

    Karl Marx, Letter to Friedrich Engels, dated 15 August 1857

    Of course he was right about a lot, but who isn’t?

    What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.

    -Karl Marx, On The Jewish Question, published 1844

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

    • Replies: @Mevashir

    True again, but Krugman argues that? News to me. Please provide further info.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/column/paul-krugman

    Just about everything Krugman writes at the NYTimes is about how Trump's base vote against their own economic interests because Trump incites them with racial religious and ethnic warfare and hot morality issues.

    Krugman is the only person worth reading at the Times in my opinion.

    Of course he [Marx] was right about a lot, but who isn’t?
     
    You sound pretty arrogant, What have you written to enlighten people about the dangers of unfettered Capitalism? And to those who reflexively denounce Socialism, I like to say:

    Socialism is a system whereby bad money serves the end of making a good society. Capitalism is a system whereby bad society serves the end of making money.


    This book by an English Catholic essayist argues that Capitalism arose when Henry VIII broke with Rome and Elizabeth expropriated monasteries and other church properties (that constituted about 1/3 of the English landholdings) and gave them away to her friends in the nobility. This created overnight a wealthy class of overlords:
    https://www.amazon.com/Servile-State-Hilaire-Belloc/dp/0692282483
    https://archive.org/details/servilestate00belluoft/page/n8

    Someone sent me these articles from Plough magazine, published by the Bruderhof Christian communal organization:
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/community/education/the-economics-of-love
    https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/discipleship/what-lies-beyond-capitalism
    https://www.bruderhof.com/en
    https://www.youtube.com/user/BruderhofCommunities/featured
  • @Sparkon
    Among the dubious works of art discovered in Jeffery Epstein's NY mansion is this portrait of Slick Willy in Drag Bill Clinton in a blue dress.

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/clinton-painting.jpg

    "Parsing Bill" by Petrina Ryan-Kleid

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/epstein-had-bizarre-painting-of-bill-clinton-in-dress-heels-in-townhouse/

    The mind boggles, the stomach turns...

    The mind boggles, the stomach turns…

    At the red, white and blue.

    You do realize, don’t you, that we can never unsee that image? What a bunch of perverts.

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @S

    You do realize, don’t you, that we can never unsee that image? What a bunch of perverts.
     
    Similarly, seeing Clinton in that blue dress, the term 'debased' is what came to my mind.
  • @Anon
    Butting in, sorry, but happen to like that you're authentic.

    I'm Mexican. IMO that Gtez guy is not. I made a quick scan of his recent posts, where he speaks of his Latin suaveness .. Eye roll. He writes as middle class American with time in his hands, yet by that same token would be upper-middle or upper class Mexican. He is not either. His ridiculous caricature about knowing the taxi drivers at the "plaza".. American expat, perhaps. We can be very friendly, but there's something off about this compadre. FWIW.

    JG is fine in my book.

    Thank you for expressing concern and a warning though. I agree that there are some “characters” here that are not to be trusted (who is?), but then, we’re on a free site that could be, and most likely is, of much use to our masters since there is no such thing as anonymity here, or anywhere else on the internet. It’s all one big data dump for our mafia owners, and they get to peer into our minds and souls at will based on our comments here.

    So far they have little to fear from the likes of us keyboard pundits which is no doubt part of the reason there is so little obvious censorship here.

    Also, your comment about unsunstantiated claims is well taken by me. I still miss the Maven’s self aggrandizing claims of personal glory and accomplishment, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been reincarnated in another form here.

  • @J. Gutierrez
    Right on, utu...It’s funny watching them interacting with each other to try to give each other’s role-playing nonsense the veneer of credibility by co-signing each other’s bullshit.
    Hilarious

    Junior, very fitting because compared to me, that's what you are, Boy! You should have been smart enough to stay out of this one kid! No one is trying to get credibility here, this ain't a pissing contest dummy!

    It's a "Dick" contest, who ever posts the best comeback on dumbass Junior has the biggest Dick! Shit that was too easy, I can't take that win! Say something else that way I can give the rest of the group that you and UTU think is hilarious have a chance at winning! When Brother Mevashir told me to tell Dumbass Mexican Anon, to put it up his "Fundillo" he didn't know what it is! Brother Chuck O very helpfully told him what he could put in it! LOL

    You are truly stupid to think we are here to entertain you! Knowledge is one thing, what you do with it is another! Unlike you brilliant specimens of American Manhood, we are just trying to learn what we can from people that are willing to share. I hope you nincompoops are using VPNs....

    You are very funny! You can’t be a gringo because they usually have a poor or retarded sense of humor!

  • @J. Gutierrez
    That's exactly what I meant...My sister thought she would surprise me when she shared her DNA and Ancestry results with me. But I didn't need them. I pretty much knew that from different books I read about the people that settled in northern Mexico. The climate and terrain is so much like that of Palestine. There is bread that is baked in the north that's also Semitas which is supposed to be in the style of Jewish bread.

    Not being raised in it and void of having any knowledge of it growing up, didn't change anything about me when I was presented the results. As a matter of fact I surprised my sister by telling her before she could share her new information with me. I'm a year younger than you, was raised Chatholic, lived my younger years in Chicago and the rest in Houston. I have seen it, done it and wouldn't change it for the world! Italian Beefs, Sam's Polish Dogs, Chicago Oven Grinder's Pizza and Joe's Shrimp House are places I crave from those days. The Brisket House BBQ, The Spaggeti Warehouse, The Captain's Gumbo, Sambucca's Sea Bass baked with apples are places I crave from Houston. I guess that old say, "A way to a man's heart is through his stomach". LOL

    The one thing that caught me off guard about the DNA test, was how much WEurop 87% and EEurop 6% NAfri 3% AIndi 4%. I figured the NAfri was the Jewish my sister though it was Moorish. The EEurop came back on the ancestry chart as being from the Hapsberg lineage and on my mom's side there were some spanish nobles, I thought her last name my be a clue that it was correct, being Villareal translates Royal Villa. The percentages are off the top of my head, I may be off a point here or a point there, but close enough.


    I'm white by all indications 6'1" tall, hazel eyes and white skin, but the 7% non white DNA allows me to get a great tan..LOL .I don't see myself as white or Jewish...You got to feel that way and I don't! Why would I want to associate myself with people that caused and continue to cause to much pain. Not me I'm Mexican and proud of it, There are a lot of white people in Mexico, German, Russian, Italian, French etc. Hungarians came here during and after WWII and they are all Mexicans. There are no Hangarian Mexicans here like there are Mexican Americans there...No that is a tool of separation that is not needed here. Divide and Conquer...

    The "Anon" that commented that I'm not Mexican and he knows because he is, to Jacques Sheets is about as much Mexican as my right ball! And his side kick "utu" that tells him to be suspicious of you, I and Jeff Stryker because we give too much personnal information is some sort of comment monitor bitch. He got on me for posting too much, I wouldn't pay attention to either one of those guys/ What type of "Man" hides behind an Anon screen and tells another Man (Jacques Sheets) who is one of 2 reasons why I still comment here, to watch out for me because there is something funny about me. This "Sissy" tells Jacques that he seems like a good guy and he's trying to warn him. What kind of man does shit like that? I've seen women do shit like that not men, until these 2 did here! Fucking Pussies!


    Anyway, that shit pisses me off...I'm a nice guy until some dumb ass says something personal or about the less fortunate colored races...Thanks for the Book....

    Great post thank you for all the information. Is your last name means something like Good Earth, combination German & Spanish?

    Youre 87% Western European DNA might include Jewish. Remember the Jews and Muslims lived in Spain for 700 years before the Inquisition kicked them out.

    I heard that the Inquisition operated in Mexico until the late 1800s!

    I have a close friend who is Hispanic Catholic with Jewish ancestry. She remembers her grandmothers doing all sorts of weird Jewish rituals that they didn’t even understand themselves. She also told me about the Cristeros massacres in Mexico in the 1920’s, something Americans don’t know about

    • Replies: @J. Gutierrez
    Is your last name means something like Good Earth, combination German & Spanish?



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    Last name: Gutierrez
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    This is a well recorded and popular surname in Spain. It is one of a group which were originally Germanic, and in this respect it could be said to date back to the 5th century a.d. At this time the Roman Empire who held Spain, was in a state of collapse, and into this vacuum came the German tribes known as the Goths, Huns and Vizigoths. This surname in Spain owes its origins to the Vizigoths. It derives from an ancient personal name 'Gunthair', the later German Gunther, and meaning 'Battle-sword'. Such names redolent of war, glory and control were very popular in this period of history known as 'The Dark Ages'. Later in most Christian countries they were later swamped by the religious revival names of the 12th century, which were of biblical origin. Of these the most famous are the apostles Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. In about the 8th century the Vizigoths returned to Germany, however they left behind some of Spains most popular names and later surnames, of which this is a prime example. Early recordings taken from surviving registers include Diego de Valdiva Gutierrez of Campanario, Badajos, in 1520, and Fernandez Gutierrez christened at Villacid de Campos, Valladolid, on October 4th 1623.

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    You were right, maybe that's where the EEuro % comes from...

    She also told me about the Cristeros massacres in Mexico in the 1920’s, something Americans don’t know about.


    Most people don't know that Mexico was at constant war until WWII:

    The Conquest (1519-1522) ...
    Independence from Spain (1810-1821) ...
    The Loss of Texas (1835-1836) ...
    The French Invasion (1838-1839) ...
    The Mexican-American War (1846-1848) ...
    The Reform War (1857-1860)
    The French Intervention (1861-1867)
    The Mexican Revolution (1910-1920)
    The Cristero War (1926-1929)
    World War Two (1939-1945)

    Most people don't know about Mexico's involvement WWII. Mexico tried to remain neutral at first during World War Two, but soon had 2 oil tankers sunk by German U-Boats. Mexico decided to side with the allies, and declared war closing its ports to the Germans and confiscating their ships. Mexico traded with the USA during the war, especially oil and minerals, which the US needed desperately.

    A squadron of Mexican fighter pilots (the 202st Aztec Eagles) went and fought the Japanese using US Aircraft, in the Philippines. Mexico’s total contributions included the actions of Mexicans living in the USA who worked in the fields and factories, as well as the hundreds of thousands of Mexicans who joined the American armed forces. These men fought bravely and were given US citizenship after the war.

    The 201st Fighter Squadron was swept under the WWII rug until a few years ago. Those fighter pilots provided American ground troops, close air support and took out enemy artillery. 7 or 8 pilots were lost due to the heavy antiaircraft fire by Japanese gunners.

    I didn't include the many times the US invaded Mexico.

    Thanks for comment...It made me take a look at the origins of my name...
  • @iffen
    We the public will never know what Epstein was all about.

    Astute observation, which means of course that we can endlessly speculate with little fear of contradiction.

    Question: If I film a person having sex with an underage girl I have committed a major felony. How many people would use that film as blackmail knowing that its release will land him in prison?

    “search by image”

  • @gsjackson
    Just heard a sermon this past Sunday on the influence of John Newton, who wrote the hymn Amazing Grace, on William Wilberforce, the leading figure in the British abolitionist movement. It doesn't appear that the timing particularly supports your hypothesis. Wilberforce took up the abolitionist cause in 1787.

    Maybe there were enough rumblings before that to get the attention of those with a vested interest in slavery. Jewish influence on the American Revolution, anyone? There's little doubt that the Freemasons, including Washington, had their hand in it, and Freemasons have often been viewed as a gentile arm of Judaism.

    It doesn’t appear that the timing particularly supports your hypothesis. Wilberforce took up the abolitionist cause in 1787.

    Thank you for that. One problem with your argument is that Wilberforce most likely had misgivings about slavery prior to 1787 and so did others.

    Another problem is that he was not the first abolitionist. One example would be that of James Oglethorpe, a Brit who formed a colony in 1722, Georgia, which ironically was based on several “progressive” ideas such as forbidding slavery there! Another irony about that is that apparently he was a Freemason. Go figure!

    Also, “Jews” did have a hand in the formation of it all, and I went ’round and ’round with renfro on that topic quite a while back.

    For me, the take home message so far is that the is always much more to the story than we’ve been told.

    Again, thanks for providing incentive to begin to check it out and for the names you provided. Some day I need to investigate the subject in detail.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
    Oglethorpe's first fleet didn't leave the UK until 1732, two years after his plan for the colony was proposed. He also forbade the presence of "that pest and scourge of mankind called lawyers.”