So, my mind continues to want to associate the color red with the D’s.
Perhaps a small sample size, but some of us are delighted by having the color red for “our” side. The only problem I have is deciding whether to put on my red MAGA cap or my Phrygian cap.
I agree with your analysis but would amend as follows:Change "the Right" above to "the Red-Team." A whole lot of people who follow politics seem to just be in it as a kind of highbrow version of follow-my-favorite-sports-team and/or follow-the-latest-celebrity-gossip. "Politics," for FoxNews/CNN/MSNBC viewers and the like, blends elements from both sports fandom (cheerleading the team) and celebrity-gossip-ism, dressing up the product thereof in a suit and tie, and giving the new creation airs of utmost importance re the nation's fate. (It is rather ridiculous, when viewed in this light, of course.)This phenomenon is much remarked upon but I'll toss it in to make it explicit in this discussion. To the extent that Tucker was the one behind the decision to pile on Gov. Northam for the "horrible crime" of dressing up as Michael Jackson once in his early 20s, that's Tucker falling back into his bad old ways of Red-Team cheerleading. Not helpful. IMO.
Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can’t resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage
Your problem is that you end up having to defend (X).
You make an excellent point. It's actually one of the very insidious ways that PC culture acts as a one-way ratchet by co-opting its initial opponents:
It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, “Hold it, you’re all forming a lynch mob over what?”
Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can’t resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage
I agree with your analysis but would amend as follows:
Change “the Right” above to “the Red-Team.”
A whole lot of people who follow politics seem to just be in it as a kind of highbrow version of follow-my-favorite-sports-team and/or follow-the-latest-celebrity-gossip. “Politics,” for FoxNews/CNN/MSNBC viewers and the like, blends elements from both sports fandom (cheerleading the team) and celebrity-gossip-ism, dressing up the product thereof in a suit and tie, and giving the new creation airs of utmost importance re the nation’s fate. (It is rather ridiculous, when viewed in this light, of course.)
This phenomenon is much remarked upon but I’ll toss it in to make it explicit in this discussion. To the extent that Tucker was the one behind the decision to pile on Gov. Northam for the “horrible crime” of dressing up as Michael Jackson once in his early 20s, that’s Tucker falling back into his bad old ways of Red-Team cheerleading. Not helpful. IMO.
I normally don’t pay attention to details and wouldn’t notice color schemes…but I noticed that one right away and I got a kick out of it.
Those words have lost their effectiveness, so it’s back to the drawing board to make up some new insults and memes.
I agree, it’s good to periodically update and refresh the stock insults. The Right has been far more creative in this department without a doubt.
“Cuck” is a pretty recent coinage and still works nicely. It seems to me it started out as an epithet against RINO Republican who campaigned one way and then sold out their base in office. It gets used a little too indiscriminately, IMHO, however.
“SJW,” “soy boy,” “Libtard,” are all pretty serviceable. The NPC meme was pretty good and “learn to code” wasn’t bad for insulting journalists. These days, one can always tell when a hit is scored against Leftists because their social media companies will start banning the usage to protect them.
“Anti-White” is simply descriptive and isn’t trying to be particularly clever or insulting. It will have to get used more — perhaps along with the term “anti-white racism” — precisely because the dominant PC dogma is that only whites can be racist and no racism can be perpetrated against whites. So talking about anti-white racism is an automatic cognitive dissonance trigger.
Meanwhile, the Left is still calling everyone “Nazi/Fascist/Racist” for everything. I guess they figure it’s worked well for 50 years so why stop now.
Disagree. This is bad precedent and an endorsement of anti-White race hoax politics.The only commentator who looks good in this affair is Peter Brimelow.https://twitter.com/peterbrimelow/status/1091501347709566977Everyone else, who threw in with the racial lynch mob side, has demeaned him or herself. This includes the Red Team cheerleaders like most at Fox News. It includes motley revolution-eats-its-own race-hustlers and virtue-signalling airheads. It tragically seems to include Ann Coulter, who should know better. It also sadly includes Tucker Carlson, who joined the yipping chorus at Fox and has seemed to endorse the idea that this goofball 'crime' (dressing up as Michael Jackson for Halloween once) or the dubious pic from some nonsense 35-year-old yearbook no one ever saw, is definitely grounds for salt-the-earth personal destruction, if not quite prison time. (What a joke of a country...). It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, "Hold it, you're all forming a lynch mob over what?"
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It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, “Hold it, you’re all forming a lynch mob over what?”
You make an excellent point. It’s actually one of the very insidious ways that PC culture acts as a one-way ratchet by co-opting its initial opponents:
Step One: The Left creates an idiotic PC standard for attacking and destroying Republicans/Conservatives/White People (wearing blackface or being a drunken cad in college). The Right complains but the Left gets to virtue signal as being holier than thou and having zero tolerance.
Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can’t resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage — “See, they are really the racists and sexists.”
Step Three: Both sides have now agreed and there is a consensus and a precedent that this petty PC BS is the new litmus test.
Apparently, it just takes too much message discipline and foresight to skip step two and NOT call Northam a disqualified racist.
I agree with your analysis but would amend as follows:Change "the Right" above to "the Red-Team." A whole lot of people who follow politics seem to just be in it as a kind of highbrow version of follow-my-favorite-sports-team and/or follow-the-latest-celebrity-gossip. "Politics," for FoxNews/CNN/MSNBC viewers and the like, blends elements from both sports fandom (cheerleading the team) and celebrity-gossip-ism, dressing up the product thereof in a suit and tie, and giving the new creation airs of utmost importance re the nation's fate. (It is rather ridiculous, when viewed in this light, of course.)This phenomenon is much remarked upon but I'll toss it in to make it explicit in this discussion. To the extent that Tucker was the one behind the decision to pile on Gov. Northam for the "horrible crime" of dressing up as Michael Jackson once in his early 20s, that's Tucker falling back into his bad old ways of Red-Team cheerleading. Not helpful. IMO.
Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can’t resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage
As you know from our other discussions, I’m an assimilationist. But successful assimilation requires a culturally strong, confident, and cohesive majority (of whites in the case of the United States). So I support policies and cultural mores that make that more likely.
I’m not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I’m all in.
I understand what you are saying, but whiteness is not a sufficient basis for creating your “culturally strong, confident” majority. Once you move to add something concrete like political ideals (even though we trace most of ours back to England, Europe and Western Civilization in general) then other groups have to be included, not as “good” assimilated people, but as full and rightful owners. I don’t know if you remember my telling you about my experiences with the descendants of Korean War brides. One was in the late fifties in elementary school and one was when my children were at home in the 80’s. It would have been absolutely impossible for me to consider myself “more” rightfully American than the 2nd and 3rd generations with whom I interacted. I am confident that I am not the only white person who feels this way.
and I would fight tooth and nail against their demonization and marginalization
Ditto for me, and that goes for all Americans regardless of race or ethnicity..
I’m not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I’m all in.
As you know from our other discussions, I’m an assimilationist. But successful assimilation requires a culturally strong, confident, and cohesive majority (of whites in the case of the United States). So I support policies and cultural mores that make that more likely.
In a large family, it is possible to adopt a child or two and have successful integration (especially if the child or children in question are docile). But you can’t engage in endless adoptions without significantly altering the family dynamic, usually for the worse.
And that’s the principle side of things. On a more personal and sentimental note, my wife’s people are heartland whites. So they are my people too. They are the backbone of this country, and I would fight tooth and nail against their demonization and marginalization.
Whiskey, is that you?
The Alt Right as been reflexively calling everyone they disagree with, specifically normies, by way of “race traitor, Fake American, cuck, or anti-white ” since its inception. They will do so forever because white people are making their own decisions regarding race and culture, which really pisses them off. I mean, how dare they exercise “muh liberty”. Those words have lost their effectiveness, so it’s back to the drawing board to make up some new insults and memes.
I agree, it's good to periodically update and refresh the stock insults. The Right has been far more creative in this department without a doubt.
Those words have lost their effectiveness, so it’s back to the drawing board to make up some new insults and memes.
The key operative phrase is “limited.”
Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve.
(though I support implicit white majoritarianism).
I’m not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I’m all in.
As you know from our other discussions, I’m an assimilationist. But successful assimilation requires a culturally strong, confident, and cohesive majority (of whites in the case of the United States). So I support policies and cultural mores that make that more likely.
I’m not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I’m all in.
The future doesn’t necessarily equal the past. If it did, nothing would ever change. That’s just obvious.
My observation after actually working with and living among blacks in the Chicago area over the last 17 years is that the above is a conclusion based almost purely on fantasy.
So what are you saying, that in your experience “blacks” who question the notion of black racial unity are darker than average?
Because remember, I didn’t saying it was common for blacks to question black racial unity; I said that of those who do question it, from what I’ve observed (on the internet), most are the lighter, highly mixed variety. They openly wonder whether they really should identify as black. And the most vehement opposition I’ve seen comes from very black blacks.
If you lived around them for 17 years in Chicago, I’m sure you learned a lot, but this isn’t the sort of thing they’re likely to talk to a white guy about. Or you disagree? Are you going to claim you’ve had numerous conversations with blacks about the subject of black racial unity?
And here I thought that they all just looked the same..
The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.
Well, in fairness, Korea was a very poor country until only rather recently. So I imagine multiple sets of parents were passing around the same can when it came time to name their children.
The Constitutional patriot types (whom I support wholeheartedly) use the number 3% regularly from a supposed only 3% of colonists who were ACTIVE in the revolution against Great Britain.
“Screw ’em” is right, A.E.!* Also, however, your making the colors match best the alleged (or commonly thought-of) skin colors of thes groups makes interpreting the graphs much, much quicker! For any of these in which the colors mean nothing, I’ve got to keep going back-and-forth to the legend.
My simplest example of this is the damn blue=D, red=R scheme that the Lyin’ Press has been using since the early 1990’s (per Steve Sailer and/or his commenters) before then, the scheme flipped back and forth each 4 years. Every time I think of the colors I’ve got to make myeslf remember “oh, yeah, they are reversed from what you would think.” I mean, to this day, A.E. It’s worse than just random colors – say green for Orientals, orange for Blacks, etc., so long as you keep those the same for all graphs consistently. At least then, one could get them down in the head after a while, as meaningless as they are.
I really think of the R-squad and D-squad as parts of the same Party nowadays. Still, if anyone is closer to Communism, in which bright red is no doubt their color (hell, they’re even called”reds”) it’s the D’s – actually they’re pretty damn close these days, come to think of it. So, my mind continues to want to associate the color red with the D’s. It’s been annoying for a very long time.
Sorry for the digression. Thank you for doing the graphs right, making them easily interpreted.
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* or, “more power to the aneurysm”, I might say.
20% is the figure I hear tossed around most authoritatively. Otoh, the Bolsheviks did it with less than 1%. On the other other hand, the Bolsheviks.
The huge increase in the use of the word “space” over the last couple of years is really obnoxious. It’s the worst kind of pretentious charlatanism.
Now there’s some 4D chess nonsense there. No other president would have every Republican member of congress on his feet clapping in support of a wall along the US-Mexico border. He’s a transitional figure. Without a transition, the country is finished. I won’t make the mediocre the enemy of the perfect.
I don't really think there is an implied insult. One might mistakenly assume there is if one believes that affirmative racial pride and desire for continuity isn't real, but rather a phony cover for antipathy to the other.
From one perspective, I guess it’s encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult.
If I absconded to Japan, I’d unironically support (future) immigration restriction–for Japan.
Yup, that’s why the biggest boy band in the world now is South Korean BTS.
East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world.
I’d not known of that group’s existence until just now. Five minutes later and I just want to watch the whole world burn.
The people who faint from the color scheme are the same people who have an aneurysm when they hear the phrase “it’s okay to be white”. Screw them.
I suspect the percentages of people responding to polls who really think through how the answers they provide will be interpreted is in the single digits. No doubt there is some reflexive coloring of responses (“does this make me sound waaaaycist?!”), but beyond first-order effects I doubt there is much there.
MOE: +/- 1%
The alt right anime meme isn’t pulled out of thin air
Sigh…the reasons just keep piling up…
https://mobile.twitter.com/Caliphatememes/status/1042825165325905921
Peace.
I largely agree with you, but I would like to stress a couple of crucial points.
I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren’t nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They’re just a relatively shittier version of “us”. Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).
Great post.
The question is an open one for many on our side of the divide even if they don’t entirely realize it yet. Is Derb, for example, serving his posterity well by providing them with POC protection? If it’s be conquered or be exterminated, decisions have to be made.
I share your sentiments about striking the right rhetorical approach–these are existentially serious questions but they don’t strike normies as such.
No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.
No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.
high economic and civic position
No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.
To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
it was not enough for you.
High or very high economic assimilation (PC speak for making a ton of money, how they make that can be discussed some other day. Let’s just say it involves a ton of their ‘old world’ charm of ethnic nepotism and a heavy reliance on clans and a preference of their own within corporations) with very low cultural assimilation => an elite who looks down on the host population in utter contempt and disdain. We already have such an (((elite))) here and by bringing in the dot Indians and the Chinese, it is making the oligarchy permanent. OTOH it means clan rivalry between these three groups with the locals and the low level riff raff invaders chugging it out for the crumbs they throw.
And when said elite moves into positions of power as Indians [dot] here are, due to their (in)famous penchant for verbal agility [again PC speak for the fine art of bull-shitting without looking like it] you can be sure they’ll use all of their resources [traitorous bought and paid for politicians and the tech lobby for instance] to bring more of their kind here for them to lord over [as the host population, though poorer is soaked into too much individualism to do that]. And boy does India have millions more who’d like a home here with a carport with no stinking slums around? You bet it does!
Hondurans and Aztecs are mere street nuisance. If the prevailing ((( narrative ))) changes as they can sent back home in a matter of weeks if not days. Indians and Chinese though are a much bigger fish. Once in positions of power, they’ll be very hard to get rid off without an all out war and/or return to traditional canon law
Junior needs to take after dad here:
“Stick to singing, genius.”
Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work. I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.
There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
Among the more quant-oriented/autistic/nerdy end of the dissident right it’s not vanishingly rare. The alt right anime meme isn’t pulled out of thin air, though your point is well taken.
Sigh...the reasons just keep piling up...
The alt right anime meme isn’t pulled out of thin air
The view count on that video is insane. The nineties, playing cards at the shop late at night during summers I hoped would never end. Nostalgia hit.
What you say is true (see NYT exit polling synopsis, 1972-2008):https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy7aiIYXcAAmd04.jpgI think there is a good deal more to this story, though, and maybe worth a second and third thought: For one thing, according to exit polling, Asians were only at 2% of voters in 2008, made the jump to 3% of voters in 2012, and 4% in 2016. They will have been 1-2% on 1992. Asian numbers were so low that some would reflexively wave the "sample size" flag. The R-D spread of 55-31 for Asians (vs. 40-39 for Whites) is so large, though, that it will be well outside even a generous margin of error.What might account for the strong Asian Republican vote in 1992? Some things that jump to my mind: - The median U.S. Asian voter in 1992 was probably born in the late 1940s; in terms of the foreing-born Asians, while this age-cohort aligns with our Baby Boomers, the two had little culturally in common at all; for most foreign-origin Asians, b.1940s is just inevitably a much, much more conservative sort than the b.1980s crowd like Sarah Jeong and the rising b.1990s crowd. - Lower numbers overall meant lower national-level political-racial consciousness, esp. given two White candidates (GHW Bush, Bill Clinton), and national politics being so much less racialized than now. - Asian political clout was undermined outside Hawaii by citizenship lag, possible lower political involvement due to cultural enclave-ism and lower English language ability; - The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category 'Asian' among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s' and the 2020s' and 2030s' going forward. This may be most important in "structural" terms. - The most important for the 1992 race specifically must be Bill Clinton's appeal to Southern Whites, though. Bill's Southern origin and charm really inflated his White vote in the South but the exact same story/charm did not work at all on Asians in California and the like.Southern states Bill Clinton took: GA, TN, KY, WV, AR, LA, areas which, in our era, are strong MAGA country.https://www.procon.org/files/1-clinton-images/electoral-map-1992-clinton-vs-bush-picture.jpg
In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did
The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category ‘Asian’ among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s’ and the 2020s’ and 2030s’ going forward. This may be most important in “structural” terms.
I made this point many, many times.
Keep in mind, religion is a huge marker for voting, and this holds for Asians as well. Asian evangelicals vote for the GOP by a wide margin (though not quite as wide as whites). Unfortunately, as with the general population, those who are Christians are declining as a percentage. The largest increase in religious affiliation among Asians has been Hindus.
On the other hand, the 2016 voting intentions for gen Z looked good for Asian males (majority MAGA).
The point is that a lot things could change and is contingent on many factors. The past was different, and the future yet could be. Nothing is inevitable in history.
Disagree. This is bad precedent and an endorsement of anti-White race hoax politics.The only commentator who looks good in this affair is Peter Brimelow.https://twitter.com/peterbrimelow/status/1091501347709566977Everyone else, who threw in with the racial lynch mob side, has demeaned him or herself. This includes the Red Team cheerleaders like most at Fox News. It includes motley revolution-eats-its-own race-hustlers and virtue-signalling airheads. It tragically seems to include Ann Coulter, who should know better. It also sadly includes Tucker Carlson, who joined the yipping chorus at Fox and has seemed to endorse the idea that this goofball 'crime' (dressing up as Michael Jackson for Halloween once) or the dubious pic from some nonsense 35-year-old yearbook no one ever saw, is definitely grounds for salt-the-earth personal destruction, if not quite prison time. (What a joke of a country...). It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, "Hold it, you're all forming a lynch mob over what?"
Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!
Ralph Northam is in office because of a naked appeal to anti-white racism.
I mean it when I say that is treasonous. It doesn’t matter what it takes to knock him and Herring out. Resignation, or even impeachment is not enough. They get a choice: exile or execution.
White liberals should not receive our protection, when they categorically never defend us.
And it it is plainly immoral for one parasitic blue dot to dominate an overwhelmingly red state by geography.
I am thankful we have Hispanic immigrants here and not mostly Muslim immigrants like Europe. I like Hispanics because they value female beauty and sexiness unlike Muslims who push female modesty.
Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!
Disagree. This is bad precedent and an endorsement of anti-White race hoax politics.
The only commentator who looks good in this affair is Peter Brimelow.
BORING, GRACELESS. Why can't GOP just say: of course Northam is a hypocrite but he obviously meant no harm and real lesson is these PC hysterias MUST END? https://t.co/JdqR0A3doi
— Peter Brimelow (@peterbrimelow) February 2, 2019
Everyone else, who threw in with the racial lynch mob side, has demeaned him or herself. This includes the Red Team cheerleaders like most at Fox News. It includes motley revolution-eats-its-own race-hustlers and virtue-signalling airheads. It tragically seems to include Ann Coulter, who should know better.
It also sadly includes Tucker Carlson, who joined the yipping chorus at Fox and has seemed to endorse the idea that this goofball ‘crime’ (dressing up as Michael Jackson for Halloween once) or the dubious pic from some nonsense 35-year-old yearbook no one ever saw, is definitely grounds for salt-the-earth personal destruction, if not quite prison time. (What a joke of a country…).
It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, “Hold it, you’re all forming a lynch mob over what?”
You make an excellent point. It's actually one of the very insidious ways that PC culture acts as a one-way ratchet by co-opting its initial opponents:
It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, “Hold it, you’re all forming a lynch mob over what?”
The Virginia Republicans should grow a spine and begin referring to Kirk Cox as “Acting Governor”, a copycat of the Venezuelan model. The Dems are going to try and squirrel their way out of handing over the Governorship (which they stole by running anti-white ads).
Trump should threaten federal intervention if all three Dems don’t resign.
It says a lot about the fecklessness of GOP voters that Richmond isn’t besiged by a mob of 100,000 armed rednecks. We all know that three GOP officials caught doing similar acts would have already been arrested, let alone forced to resign.
Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!
Disagree. This is bad precedent and an endorsement of anti-White race hoax politics.The only commentator who looks good in this affair is Peter Brimelow.https://twitter.com/peterbrimelow/status/1091501347709566977Everyone else, who threw in with the racial lynch mob side, has demeaned him or herself. This includes the Red Team cheerleaders like most at Fox News. It includes motley revolution-eats-its-own race-hustlers and virtue-signalling airheads. It tragically seems to include Ann Coulter, who should know better. It also sadly includes Tucker Carlson, who joined the yipping chorus at Fox and has seemed to endorse the idea that this goofball 'crime' (dressing up as Michael Jackson for Halloween once) or the dubious pic from some nonsense 35-year-old yearbook no one ever saw, is definitely grounds for salt-the-earth personal destruction, if not quite prison time. (What a joke of a country...). It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, "Hold it, you're all forming a lynch mob over what?"
Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!
You should read some recent history.
as it’s always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.
In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did
What you say is true (see NYT exit polling synopsis, 1972-2008):
I think there is a good deal more to this story, though, and maybe worth a second and third thought:
For one thing, according to exit polling, Asians were only at 2% of voters in 2008, made the jump to 3% of voters in 2012, and 4% in 2016. They will have been 1-2% on 1992.
Asian numbers were so low that some would reflexively wave the “sample size” flag. The R-D spread of 55-31 for Asians (vs. 40-39 for Whites) is so large, though, that it will be well outside even a generous margin of error.
What might account for the strong Asian Republican vote in 1992? Some things that jump to my mind:
– The median U.S. Asian voter in 1992 was probably born in the late 1940s; in terms of the foreing-born Asians, while this age-cohort aligns with our Baby Boomers, the two had little culturally in common at all; for most foreign-origin Asians, b.1940s is just inevitably a much, much more conservative sort than the b.1980s crowd like Sarah Jeong and the rising b.1990s crowd.
– Lower numbers overall meant lower national-level political-racial consciousness, esp. given two White candidates (GHW Bush, Bill Clinton), and national politics being so much less racialized than now.
– Asian political clout was undermined outside Hawaii by citizenship lag, possible lower political involvement due to cultural enclave-ism and lower English language ability;
– The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category ‘Asian’ among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s’ and the 2020s’ and 2030s’ going forward. This may be most important in “structural” terms.
– The most important for the 1992 race specifically must be Bill Clinton’s appeal to Southern Whites, though. Bill’s Southern origin and charm really inflated his White vote in the South but the exact same story/charm did not work at all on Asians in California and the like.
Southern states Bill Clinton took: GA, TN, KY, WV, AR, LA, areas which, in our era, are strong MAGA country.
I made this point many, many times. Keep in mind, religion is a huge marker for voting, and this holds for Asians as well. Asian evangelicals vote for the GOP by a wide margin (though not quite as wide as whites). Unfortunately, as with the general population, those who are Christians are declining as a percentage. The largest increase in religious affiliation among Asians has been Hindus.On the other hand, the 2016 voting intentions for gen Z looked good for Asian males (majority MAGA). The point is that a lot things could change and is contingent on many factors. The past was different, and the future yet could be. Nothing is inevitable in history.
The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category ‘Asian’ among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s’ and the 2020s’ and 2030s’ going forward. This may be most important in “structural” terms.
Ha! Another Dune fan!
The Golden Path!!! The Bene Gesserit have failed, Trump was not the one to lead us on it!
Peace.
Well, the God-Emperor was not the end – he was the means (albeit a long one) to the real end of freedom from prescience. He planned his own destruction for a very long time.
as it’s always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.
You should read some recent history.
In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did. In the 2014 midterms, half of Asians voted for the GOP.
Things are grim right now, but “always” is not true. Don’t fall for present bias.
What you say is true (see NYT exit polling synopsis, 1972-2008):https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy7aiIYXcAAmd04.jpgI think there is a good deal more to this story, though, and maybe worth a second and third thought: For one thing, according to exit polling, Asians were only at 2% of voters in 2008, made the jump to 3% of voters in 2012, and 4% in 2016. They will have been 1-2% on 1992. Asian numbers were so low that some would reflexively wave the "sample size" flag. The R-D spread of 55-31 for Asians (vs. 40-39 for Whites) is so large, though, that it will be well outside even a generous margin of error.What might account for the strong Asian Republican vote in 1992? Some things that jump to my mind: - The median U.S. Asian voter in 1992 was probably born in the late 1940s; in terms of the foreing-born Asians, while this age-cohort aligns with our Baby Boomers, the two had little culturally in common at all; for most foreign-origin Asians, b.1940s is just inevitably a much, much more conservative sort than the b.1980s crowd like Sarah Jeong and the rising b.1990s crowd. - Lower numbers overall meant lower national-level political-racial consciousness, esp. given two White candidates (GHW Bush, Bill Clinton), and national politics being so much less racialized than now. - Asian political clout was undermined outside Hawaii by citizenship lag, possible lower political involvement due to cultural enclave-ism and lower English language ability; - The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category 'Asian' among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s' and the 2020s' and 2030s' going forward. This may be most important in "structural" terms. - The most important for the 1992 race specifically must be Bill Clinton's appeal to Southern Whites, though. Bill's Southern origin and charm really inflated his White vote in the South but the exact same story/charm did not work at all on Asians in California and the like.Southern states Bill Clinton took: GA, TN, KY, WV, AR, LA, areas which, in our era, are strong MAGA country.https://www.procon.org/files/1-clinton-images/electoral-map-1992-clinton-vs-bush-picture.jpg
In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did
Don't be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves "nationalists" or not.
He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.
Agreed! Just ran out of the agree button.
Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve.
The key operative phrase is “limited.”
Most whites I know support restrictions on both legal and illegal immigration – I happen to agree, and you know I am not a white nationalist (though I support implicit white majoritarianism).
The only whites I know who support legal immigration expansion are invariably tech executives.
It can’t hurt.
Perhaps, but he is sorely mistaken if he thinks it will make up for all the WWC women he will lose as a result of his cucking and corporate pandering.
Much depends on the share of Whites making the hard turn you describe.
(‘Hard’ in two senses: hard to do psychologically, as you say, and also hard as in ‘hardline,’ extreme, at least relative to what the regime’s acceptable range of opinion. Granted, in world-historical terms it is hardly extreme to take one’s own side.)
The much-commented-on phenomenon is, ofc, “As White % goes down, the ‘Red Pill’ share goes up” (with also some marginal losses to ‘Wigger-dom’). The two trends are even now in a below-surface race for the finishline. The daily media gossip-frivolity has totally missed these ongoing trends and is still missing them now, which explains why everyone was taken so by surprise by MAGA, which was clearly energized by the ‘hard turn’ wing. MAGA was impossible with the demographics of 25 years earlier (Pat Buchanan tried…).
I believe there is reason for optimism. We do not need 100% of Whites, nor even 50%. There is a theoretical critical mass point and it is far lower than one might think.
Simple model for the share of ‘blue’ Whites who have made this hard turn (made up numbers, perhaps plausible):
b.1940s: 5%
b.1960s: 10%
b.1980s: 20%
b.2000s: 25%?
What is the critical mass / threshold? I don’t know.
Trump must be challenged in the 2020 GOP presidential primary by a candidate from the Sam Francis Middle American Radical portion of the GOP.
Anyone in mind?
I know our host Audacious Epigone wants Ann Coulter herself to run, but this seems pretty unlikely. I noticed she has been evading the question with a characteristic joke when asked if she might run.
“BTW, disagreeing with you does not a jackass make.”
No, but evoking the imagery that is associated with “white nationalists,” does.
Trump’s blathering about women in the workforce will avail him nothing.
It can’t hurt.
Only a small increase in the % of women and POCs voting for Trump and he could win in an electoral landslide.
Perhaps, but he is sorely mistaken if he thinks it will make up for all the WWC women he will lose as a result of his cucking and corporate pandering.
It can’t hurt.
Don't be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves "nationalists" or not.
He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.
Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve. They do want the immigration laws enforced and a stop put to illegal immigration. They likely want a greater emphasis place on assimilation as well.
BTW, disagreeing with you does not a jackass make.
The key operative phrase is “limited.”
Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve.
And while I’m at it, Trump’s blathering about women in the workforce will avail him nothing. Yes, we should and do have the right to earn an honest living if we need and/or desire to do so. That battle is over. The problem now is that women feel they have no choice but to work even if they have a husband with a good job.
Don't be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves "nationalists" or not.
He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
Remember, there is no constituency for fiscal conservative/socially liberal/progressive. It is the “empty quadrant.” There are no voters there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1090222934562611202/photo/1
GOPe wants to represent a constituency that does not exist. Trump has chosen to follow them into irrelevancy and certain defeat.
Without the millions of immigrant infiltrators our population would be 75 million smaller but almost 20% Black.
Without our government paying to “feed ’em and breed ’em” we would have perhaps 12-15 million Blacks by now.
Both Hart-Celler and government aid programs are aimed at White genocide.
“Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world.”
as it’s always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.
the day you realize this is usually the saddest day of your life. for me, 20 years ago.
then you realize, half your direct family is against you. not only do they not even remotely appreciate your effort to save europeans, they openly hate you for it.
to forever be hated by the people you are trying to save. that is the aware badwhites life.
You should read some recent history.
as it’s always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.
He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
Don’t be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.
Agreed! Just ran out of the agree button.
White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.
Ann Coulter gets her courage and guts from her Kentucky ancestors.
Natalie Merchant speaks and sings precisely and she has nice hips. I think Merchant goes out of her way to speak and sing in a precise manner to differentiate herself from others and she likes swaying her hips to show off.
Trump is toast. Trump is now pushing for more mass legal immigration and Trump is pushing the H-1B visa scam and the H-2B visa scam and other anti-worker scams such as more green cards and more guest workers.
Trump must be challenged in the 2020 GOP presidential primary by a candidate from the Sam Francis Middle American Radical portion of the GOP.
Trump has sided with Jared Kushner and Shelly Adelson and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction against the best interests of the USA.
Anyone in mind?
Trump must be challenged in the 2020 GOP presidential primary by a candidate from the Sam Francis Middle American Radical portion of the GOP.
No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.
No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.
high economic and civic position
No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.
To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
it was not enough for you.
“Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.”
He’s a Jew living in England, IIRC.
I have a bit of schadenfreude when I see stats such as presented here by Audacious.
The blacks of California are against the border wall, they support the illegals! But think about this, no immigrants (legal or illegal) took part in the putative mistreatment of black people. So when it comes to affirmative action and all the rest of the race-baiting, immigrants generally do not want to subsidize blacks. They didn’t do the repression, they won’t tolerate a reparation bite, and they wont slack up on their competition in the job market. Black people can only run their guilt scam on whites. And yet they are apparently for policies that harm whites, and likewise negatively affect blacks.
I don’t have much patience with people who don’t really understand where their interests lie.
Source:
My statement on old tweets that have resurfaced. I am profoundly sorry. pic.twitter.com/8XVwoaKi6F
— Amber Athey (@amber_athey) February 7, 2019
This why neocons need to be hung out to dry. The left isn’t satisfied, and she hasn’t resigned her job and given it to a PeeOhCee.
Amber Athey has apologized. I will note that when I posted one of her antisemitic tweets in April 2018, she had a response to me that was not at all contrite. I guess this time something changed. pic.twitter.com/szqqxNGsoV
— Timothy Johnson (@timothywjohnson) February 7, 2019
For reference pic.twitter.com/wOBqvw1pN6
— Corey Glaser (@glaser_corey) February 7, 2019
So genuine. BTW, I haven't seen any conservatives hanging from trees, have you?
— Jessica (@yesimrite) February 8, 2019
This is the exorbitant privilege of liberalism on display again.
There was an assassination attempt on GOP Congressmen.
There was a lynch mob against Trump supporters in San Jose.
There were several celebrities that issued explicit calls to violence against the Covington students.
And she retweeted this
It is ok that the world wasn’t perfect before colonization. That doesn’t give colonial states the right to exist or persist.
— primitive pragmatist 🧚🏽♀️ (@cholenacree) January 28, 2019
That right there is an explicit denial of any white person ANYWHERE to exercise self-determination.
And an explicit call for violence
Boo hoo we’ve been dying at the hands of colonialism for centuries. I would’ve known you were white even if you didn’t tell me. You know why? You found a way to make this about you
— primitive pragmatist 🧚🏽♀️ (@cholenacree) January 31, 2019
Hit the report button.
I don’t think she’s in a hard science major, I think one of her tweets mentioned Sociology. So there is no “right answer” here, just the massaged data designed to only support leftism.
I admit to having some sympathy for these people, they clearly don’t fit in here and would probably prefer to go back to the old country if it didn’t mean a dramatic drop in living standards. If she’s from a wealthier East Asian country, she can clearly go piss up a rope.
im not a commentator or anything I’m just a girl who randomly tweeted about my day in class and then it blew up ok some of y’all are so triggered by my tweet like take a nap bitch
— vickie (@vickieswg) February 7, 2019
When you are a leftist, you can mock the mentally ill without consequence.
She retweeted this:
rich people will go university so they can cosplay as poor for 3 years and then get a job at their dad's lawfirm
— indie (@INDIEWASHERE) January 30, 2019
Anyone that knows even cursory information about the law business would see this as blatantly false. But a lie gets 92K likes. Millions of people think we somehow live under a 19th century WASP ascendancy.
Far be it from me to promote the execrable New Yorker, but they DO occasionally do some good reporting. Here is a story from a few years back on the Chinese restaurant immigration pipeline.
Some of us call that harassment.
Others of us call it retardation.
Yeah, Vickie, and you don’t know the answer… so, yes, shutting up is best.
I just read her latest column on VDare, Charles. Ann Coulter would get me to go to graveyards in search for more voters – well, I like graveyards anyway.
Hispanics oppose the wall for the Same reason so many white Americans oppose the wall…..many Hispanics were born and raised in California , thus indoctrinated in our leftist schools, they may be the children of amnesty recipients and may sympathize with Mexican illegal aliens (who are 90% of the dreamers).
I agree many do, and they should, but per this survey, at least in California, they don’t. That was my point in my reply to Anon1388. See the brown bar there? 37% is not “Hispanics oppose”.
However, as I wrote earlier above, I don’t trust these surveys very much, as I explained that possibly some repliers just think a good double-fenced barrier would do it, and don’t care for a wall – they may answer NO, which is technically their best answer but in reality just confuses things.
Also, in California, you may have even a larger contingent of new illegal aliens vs. established Hispanics, compared to, say Texas or N. Mexico. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it could be a factor. Nobody asks you if you are here illegally in the real poll, on election day, much less on this kind of survey, right?
Blacks have been hurt the most from our immigration policies of the last 50 years. I suppose more blacks would favor a wall if democrats supported it. Without the millions of immigrant infiltrators our population would be 75 million smaller but almost 20% Black. The Black population of America has doubled from 1970, from 21 million to 43 million as the white population has only grown from 171 million to 197 million over the same time…. yet migration accounts for half of the white growth and just 10% of the growth in our Black population.
Without our government paying to "feed 'em and breed 'em" we would have perhaps 12-15 million Blacks by now.
Without the millions of immigrant infiltrators our population would be 75 million smaller but almost 20% Black.
Or when I'm teaching Contemporary Arab American Lit and the space is crafted as suspicious of whiteness and white supremacy. I think default discomfort is pedagogically useful…
— Theri Pickens, PhD (@TAPPhD) February 5, 2019
Some of us call that harassment.
Others of us call it retardation.
Some of us call that harassment.
isn’t it weird when the academy encourages us to “take space” but I’m like uhh this space is white I don’t want it🙅🏻♀️
— vickie (@vickieswg) February 5, 2019
I wish more PeeOhCee had this mindset. But take it to it’s logical conclusion, ma’am.
Return to your ancestral homeland, because this land is ours. We won it fair and square.
“Trump has decided to embrace the globalizer treason of mass legal immigration.”
I don’t recall Trump ever speaking out about legal immigration. But he did run, and win, by promising to deport ALL the illegals, and he has done almost nothing to keep that promise. So, yes, he has stabbed his base in the back, but does the average short attention span voter even notice?
I think Trump is counting on pacifying the soft hearted suburban soccer mom vote by emphasizing the deportation of “criminals” — as if all illegally present foreign trespassers are not criminals — and placating the rest of us with more jobs and lower taxes — while doing some nominal work on The Wall. Meanwhile 20 million (30 million?) illegals continue to steal jobs and services and spawn little anchor baby citizens.
Who could possibly beat him in a primary? I think we’re stuck with what we’ve got.
Ann Coulter should announce that she is forming an exploratory committee to mull over whether or not she will challenge Trump in the 2020 GOP presidential primary.
Ann Coulter could mildly rebuke Trump, and hammer him when appropriate, and Coulter could rhetorically blast the Democrat Party presidential aspirants to bits.
The corporate media would give Ann Coulter plenty of free media coverage to challenge Trump.
Trump pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration.
Trump will not deport the 30 million illegal alien invaders in the United States.
Trump puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.
o/t
lol
“For richer people, your tax liability could have gone up now $100-, $200-, $300,000,” Mr. Cuomo said on Tuesday. “And there is a tipping point where people say, ‘I love New York, but to spend another $300,000 in taxes? I’ll move.’”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/nyregion/nyc-revenue-taxes-budget.html
Sadly, they will be moving to and wrecking Florida, Texas Idaho, Montana, when it is Israel or Singapore that should be more to their liking.
He has sealed his fate.
No doubt.
The 2020 election is as good as over.
He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
Trump said he wants legal immigrants in “largest numbers ever.”
He has sealed his fate.
Hispanics oppose the wall for the Same reason so many white Americans oppose the wall…..many Hispanics were born and raised in California , thus indoctrinated in our leftist schools, they may be the children of amnesty recipients and may sympathize with Mexican illegal aliens (who are 90% of the dreamers).
Many oppose Trump and may well have supported a wall if proposed by the democrats. Some are influenced by the media and may well believe that Trump dislikes Mexicans.
But a significant number of Mexicans realize open borders will result in too many Central Americans , which will suppress their wages , increase crime and reduce their standard of living. 62% of Mexicans want to deport the Central Americans from Mexico and fortify their southern border. The majority of Mexicans in Mexico oppose granting asylum to Central Americans.
I agree many do, and they should, but per this survey, at least in California, they don't. That was my point in my reply to Anon1388. See the brown bar there? 37% is not "Hispanics oppose".
Hispanics oppose the wall for the Same reason so many white Americans oppose the wall…..many Hispanics were born and raised in California , thus indoctrinated in our leftist schools, they may be the children of amnesty recipients and may sympathize with Mexican illegal aliens (who are 90% of the dreamers).
President Trump has stabbed the American people in the back by breaking his campaign promises.
Pres. Trump suggests he may drop "Hire American" policy & begin importing workers for a "Hire Cheapest" policy. If so, biz will stop hiring young/sidelined Americans & stop raising wages. Re. 2020: Why would Americans vote for a Pres who cuts their wages? https://t.co/P4oF7E9U0v
— Neil Munro (@NeilMunroDC) February 8, 2019
Both the number and the type of people to be assimilated matter. Do you want 1,000 Chechens or 10,000 Japanese in your town?
numbers are of the essence.
Let me disabuse of this notion:https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Mk9Tp71MJA/Td0Ir375qYI/AAAAAAAABmc/ATJ1miZxbHg/s1600/assimilation_by_birthplace.JPGAmong the major immigrant groups, Hispanics (Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans) have the lowest assimilation indices per the long-running Manhattan Institute study. The exception is Cubans, but their assimilation index continues to decline everytime the survey is done. The next tier is the Indians and Chinese, whose assimilation indices are closer to those of Hispanics than other Asians. The upper tier is made up of Canadians, Filipinos, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Cubans. The bifurcation into two clusters of theses major immigrant groups is pretty pronounced.
the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics
Don’t mention this chart to stupid Senator Mike Lee of Utah who wants to keep the door open pretty much for only Indians who as we know vote Democrat at rate slightly below AA’s, at the expense of Koreans/Filipinos/Vietnamese who tend to assimilate and vote more Republicans.
sub Saharan African nations tend to have the highest support for things such as open borders
…
South Africa shaken by anti-immigrant riots
South African authorities have re-established order … after a week of looting of foreign-owned shops and violence in which four people were killed.
Crowds hit the streets, targeting immigrant-owned shops in riots recalling anti-foreigner violence in 2008 that killed about 60 people.
Europe has an Oceanic or Maritime climate with relatively mild winters due to warm ocean currents
River Thames frost fairs
Migrants picked up in Channel treated for hypothermia
Quite to the contrary, even with all his blustering, all-talk/no-action disappointments for patriotic Americans on the border barrier and DACA, as candidate and President, Donald Trump has brought the immigration invasion issue to the forefront since the time he announced his candidacy 3 1/2 years ago.
Immigration was not issue #1 just a few years back. It is now. If nothing else (which is quite possible) he’s done that. The “bully pulpit” may have turned into the “bullshit pulpit”, but the word is out nonetheless.
As for being a Manchurian candidate, I’ve ssen the movie, and Trump doesn’t seem like the type. Nope, I think he listens too much to the beltway insiders that he himself should never have hired to advise him. It’s possible, especially on the foreign policy, that he’s been threatened by the Deep State, that he’d better play ball with the MIC.
Dropping the Nazi imagary is a good idea, but the rebel flags, etc. are part of Southern heritage. Letting the left destroy all this history is what the original (planned-to-be-peaceful) Charlottesville gathering was to be about. It’ll be George Washington, Madiston, Franklin, and Jefferson next, in case you don’t give a damn about the South and Southerners.
BTW, it’s not like the rebel flag has been this thorn in the side of the left throughout history, or anything to have been ashamed of. As late as the 1970’s, I’d seen black people with rebel flag plates on the front of their muscle cars – yes, black people drove muscle cars too, when they had the money. The flag and statues don’t have to be the big feature of a white identify movement, if that’s what you mean, but they should be defended.
Charlottesville WAS a trap, I agree, just in that the alt-right protesters didn’t have a large enough group, or anyone to call in, while the ctrl-left seems to have had their plans made ahead of time.
the Japanese are slowly dwindling away
He was a one eyed, one horned Tokyo subway people stuffer
(one eyed, one horned Tokyo subway people stuffer)
Why aren’t they majority for-the-wall, then?
No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.
No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.
high economic and civic position
No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.
To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
it was not enough for you.
Actually, I think my last post may be too complicated for you. Let me put it simply:
The immigrants with the best jobs and most likely to gain social/political power are also the least culturally assimilated.
You argued that this is good. I argued that this is bad. What’s your reasoning?
No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.
No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.
high economic and civic position
No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.
To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
it was not enough for you.
I see I hit it right on the head with both posts. Double strike!
People having the best jobs and highest civic participation while maintaining the lowest levels of cultural assimilation is confusing. The first two should obviate the latter. That it hasn’t is particularly worrying in fact. The opposite of your original argument.
You look pretty silly maintaining otherwise.
No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
No, troll, Indians and Chinese – who are Asians – do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.
high economic and civic position
Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high… civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.
To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.
it was not enough for you.
Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
They appeal to high school and college age girls, not “pre-teens.” Just type in “BTS reaction” in YouTube and ready to be perplexed.
I don’t believe BTS’s unique step into major world stardom is based on their “sexiness”. They look like they could be trans, which is the well-known manafactured look to appeal to pre-teens.
No perplexion from me, it looks exactly the same as the reaction to this guy, and for the same reasons.
Your point, wanting to persuade us that East Asian men are the handsomest, most sexy and masculine, would be better served by other examples. There are plenty.
No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?) But it makes no sense that a nation would want people moving into high economic and civic position yet achieving the lowest cultural assimilation. This is obvious. To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave) – as if, for example, young Australians doing a couple of years working in bars in London are more objectionable than the Rotherham phenomenon! I actually offered a neutral thesis as well, but it was not enough for you.
No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.
No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.
high economic and civic position
No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.
To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
it was not enough for you.
The Wall has succeeded only in uniting the mentally retarded, and making immigration opponents support a mentally retarded pointless proposal. More and more it seems like Trump is actually a Manchurian candidate for the open borders crowd. No President in recent history has done more damage to the cause of immigration restriction than Trump. I knew from history that everything Trump touches turns to shit, but this is unbelievable.
Troll and idiot.
Presumably you’ve had advanced an actual argument, if you had one.
And here I thought that they all just looked the same..
The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.
https://www.britannica.com/story/why-are-so-many-koreans-named-kim
But not even all those who are Kims by inheritance are the same. A basic unit of the Korean traditional kinship system is the clan, or bongwan, a group whose surname signifies a common geographical origin. Thus, different Kims can trace their lineage to different places, most notably Gimhae. The southeastern city was the birthplace of Kim Su-Ro, the man recognized as the original Kim and the founder (42 CE) of Gaya, another ancient Korean kingdom. There are some 300 other Kim clans, including those who originate from Gyeongju, Andong (which actually has two Kim clans), and Gwangsan.
This is of relatively little value for two reasons: [1] West Point is as intellectually selective as the Ivy League. Koreans have a several-IQ-point edge which would, all else held equal (i.e., against your implied point that Koreans are uniquely attracted to the U.S. Army and West Point specifically), already be expected to magnify their numbers, just as they are present disproportionately at all the actual Ivy League schools. [2] Up to one-fourth of Koreans in the USA may be surnamed Kim* which means up to half a million Korean Kims in the USA. No 'White' U.S. surname has anything but a few tenths of a percent; [1] and [2] combined equal a mammoth multiplier for Korean Kims at West Point. Inevitable and unsurprising that there are a lot of Kims there.Note: The top ten White surnames (Smith, Johnson, Miller, Brown, Jones, Williams, Davis, Anderson, Wilson, Martin) have a cumulative 8,575,000 White bearers (Census 2000), or 4.4% of the White population. The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.______* Data from Census 2000, Kim vs. Park and variants: Surname: Total Number / % Asian / Total AsianPark: 81,890 / 0.663 / 54,293
The modal surname at West Point is frequently "Kim."
Excellent analysis on a quite a minor point. Doesn’t change the fact that Koreans are vastly over represented at West Point. Because of high IQ, you say? Indians and Chinese, who are also over represented at the Ivies along with Koreans, are NOT at West Point.
Congratulations Travis!
So far you’re the only guy here that gets it.
This is of relatively little value for two reasons: [1] West Point is as intellectually selective as the Ivy League. Koreans have a several-IQ-point edge which would, all else held equal (i.e., against your implied point that Koreans are uniquely attracted to the U.S. Army and West Point specifically), already be expected to magnify their numbers, just as they are present disproportionately at all the actual Ivy League schools. [2] Up to one-fourth of Koreans in the USA may be surnamed Kim* which means up to half a million Korean Kims in the USA. No 'White' U.S. surname has anything but a few tenths of a percent; [1] and [2] combined equal a mammoth multiplier for Korean Kims at West Point. Inevitable and unsurprising that there are a lot of Kims there.Note: The top ten White surnames (Smith, Johnson, Miller, Brown, Jones, Williams, Davis, Anderson, Wilson, Martin) have a cumulative 8,575,000 White bearers (Census 2000), or 4.4% of the White population. The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.______* Data from Census 2000, Kim vs. Park and variants: Surname: Total Number / % Asian / Total AsianPark: 81,890 / 0.663 / 54,293
The modal surname at West Point is frequently "Kim."
The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.
And here I thought that they all just looked the same..
But not even all those who are Kims by inheritance are the same. A basic unit of the Korean traditional kinship system is the clan, or bongwan, a group whose surname signifies a common geographical origin. Thus, different Kims can trace their lineage to different places, most notably Gimhae. The southeastern city was the birthplace of Kim Su-Ro, the man recognized as the original Kim and the founder (42 CE) of Gaya, another ancient Korean kingdom. There are some 300 other Kim clans, including those who originate from Gyeongju, Andong (which actually has two Kim clans), and Gwangsan.
The modal surname at West Point is frequently “Kim.”
This is of relatively little value for two reasons:
[1] West Point is as intellectually selective as the Ivy League. Koreans have a several-IQ-point edge which would, all else held equal (i.e., against your implied point that Koreans are uniquely attracted to the U.S. Army and West Point specifically), already be expected to magnify their numbers, just as they are present disproportionately at all the actual Ivy League schools.
[2] Up to one-fourth of Koreans in the USA may be surnamed Kim* which means up to half a million Korean Kims in the USA. No ‘White’ U.S. surname has anything but a few tenths of a percent;
[1] and [2] combined equal a mammoth multiplier for Korean Kims at West Point. Inevitable and unsurprising that there are a lot of Kims there.
Note: The top ten White surnames (Smith, Johnson, Miller, Brown, Jones, Williams, Davis, Anderson, Wilson, Martin) have a cumulative 8,575,000 White bearers (Census 2000), or 4.4% of the White population. The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.
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* Data from Census 2000, Kim vs. Park and variants:
And here I thought that they all just looked the same..
The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.
Funny, I don’t remember a lot of Italians in the Navy, but there probably are lots of Irish in the Army…
I don’t believe BTS’s unique step into major world stardom is based on their “sexiness”. They look like they could be trans, which is the well-known manafactured look to appeal to pre-teens.
They appeal to high school and college age girls, not “pre-teens.” Just type in “BTS reaction” in YouTube and ready to be perplexed.
jettison the Nazi fetishists
Can you give any specific examples of whom you mean?
If you don’t have anyone specific in mind, you are hacking away at a strawman. While you may mean well, this strawman-hacking business is of questionable value at best, because the more people amplify it, the more it is hardened as a rhetorical weapon-of-convenience for anyone wishing to undermine nationalists, with the latter unable to actually ever solve the ‘problem’ owing to its nebulousness.
Filipinos are overreprsented in the Navy while Koreans are over represented in the Army (esp. the officer corps). The modal surname at West Point is frequently “Kim.”
This is of relatively little value for two reasons: [1] West Point is as intellectually selective as the Ivy League. Koreans have a several-IQ-point edge which would, all else held equal (i.e., against your implied point that Koreans are uniquely attracted to the U.S. Army and West Point specifically), already be expected to magnify their numbers, just as they are present disproportionately at all the actual Ivy League schools. [2] Up to one-fourth of Koreans in the USA may be surnamed Kim* which means up to half a million Korean Kims in the USA. No 'White' U.S. surname has anything but a few tenths of a percent; [1] and [2] combined equal a mammoth multiplier for Korean Kims at West Point. Inevitable and unsurprising that there are a lot of Kims there.Note: The top ten White surnames (Smith, Johnson, Miller, Brown, Jones, Williams, Davis, Anderson, Wilson, Martin) have a cumulative 8,575,000 White bearers (Census 2000), or 4.4% of the White population. The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.______* Data from Census 2000, Kim vs. Park and variants: Surname: Total Number / % Asian / Total AsianPark: 81,890 / 0.663 / 54,293
The modal surname at West Point is frequently "Kim."
That’s not what that means – those factors used as proxy measures for civic assimilation demonstrate commitment to America and becoming Americans. Immigrants who only get green cards and never intend to become citizens (as many Canadians in the U.S. do) are saying, “I like making money here, but this is not my country, and I want to keep one foot firmly back home.” And the same thing with low rates of military service.
You want a composite of all three. You don’t want people who are going to be jobless. You don’t want people who don’t learn English and whose children or grandchildren remain bilingual and don’t intermarry, and you don’t want those uncommitted to the country who don’t even become citizens or serve all the while taking citizens’ jobs.