Brilliant reply!

Looked at one way, Trump is admirable: He is loyal to his race, however badly they behave. What terrifies conservatives about Obama is that he represents, perhaps unconsciously and certainly imperfectly, the potential of a united USA Whether white identitarianism can turn this situation around or whether whites (at least in North America and western Europe) are simply doomed to descend to the status of whites in South Africa is hanging in the balance.

We must add that the whites of South Africa belong to the UK, Holland and a lesser extent Germany so they have a right to return to their own homeland if that is what they must do to reach their desired goals. One does not go into someone else’s country, enslave them then talk of equality or democracy. Ain’t gonna work unless the corporate elites deem it so like the millions of Mexicans and others working for 20 years or more in USA, buy cars, houses, raise a family and educate their children then people pretend they are the guilty ones!

Blame yourself Herman Kane , the pizza King

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I have never seen someone showing off his sexually transmitted disease until now.

The racism and fetish of America created this paradox and it ultimately hurt its society. Read up on the subject matter.

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In Asia, most white males there are not viewed favourably. They are considered losers who can’t make it at home. Jolin Tsai is the most popular female singer in Taiwan so there should not be any anti US sentiment. These are what real Asian women think of white males.

Enjoy the music videos.

Most of the Tibetan Chinese do not live in Tibet but other part of China. It is obvious the emigration is from West to East, not the other way round. If Tibet is an independent country what are all those Tibetan Chinese, illegal immigrants?

“In Tibet alone, there are not only Tibetan but also Bai, Blang, Bonan, Dongxiang, Han, Hui, Lhoba, Lisu, Miao, Mongols, Monguor (Tu people), Menba (Monpa), Mosuo, Nakhi, Qiang, Nu, Pumi, Salar, and Yi Chinese.”

“The Han Dynasty (206 BCE–220 CE) established military colonies (tuntian) and commanderies (duhufu) to control Xinjiang from 120 BCE, while the Tang Dynasty (618-907) also controlled much of Xinjiang until the An Lushan rebellion. Chinese historians refute Uyghur nationalist claims by pointing out the 2000-year history of Han settlement in Xinjiang, documenting the history of Mongol, Kazakh, Uzbek, Manchu, Hui, Xibo indigenes in Xinjiang, and by emphasizing the relatively late “westward migration” of the Huigu (equated with “Uyghur” by the PRC government) people from Mongolia the 9th century. The name “Uyghur” was associated with a Buddhist people in the Tarim Basin in the 9th century, but completely disappeared by the 15th century, until it was revived by the Soviet Union in the 20th century.”

Please don’t drink the cool aid created by your own propaganda to make you look stupid on the international stage. Tibet and Xinjiang are only issues in the mind of foreigners trying to meddle into China’s internal affair. You might want to shout “Free whatever” 54 more times as there are 56 recognized minorities in China.

From the weird, a little truth, whatever the source. You ok?

FYI, the commentator you’re responding to has an obsessive interest in this sort of thing. The commentator goes by a variety of rotating handles, and one of its other hobby horses is the topic of blacks attracting and copulating with and impregnating white women. Very weird interests and obsessions.

As “an immigrant”, you – embarrassingly clearly – do not know WHAT The Fuck you are talking about!

This Poor Whitey Lament is neither new, nor signalling anything other than virulent Black-Baiting Racism, which I have seen all my life in the Untied States, since 1958 (see below). The last time a huge, ugly swell of it broke across the landscape was about 30 years ago – with the sickening White Whining about Affirmative Action, itself a cynical and insincere program, which failed and was discredited exactly as (very obviously) planned. I thought we were by now through with all that disingenuous shit – but apparently not.

Admittedly, as a Jew I have always been aware – no doubt some would say “sensitive” – to prejudice, having continuously seen and on occasion suffered rebuffs to employment, housing and of course social acceptance, from Anti-Semitism, in (as it turned out all four corners of) the USA, oer 35-plus years. But even so, I was shocked to see, after 911, and the alternate coverage and analysis of it, on the Internet, the intensity and ugliness of Jew-bashing, and -baiting, apparently across the entire Western World, today. Whether this may always have been latend, awaiting the opportunity to surface, or whether this is instead something new/revived (just like Naziism in Ukraine), remains not fully clear to me. Because there is a very credible strategy – actually for Zionist interests, themselves (which are in fact the implementation of an Anglo imperialist project, and its current evolution into the so-called “New World Order”) to proactively foment and ratchet-up anti-Semitism, as a cover and diversion from apprehension of their truly monstrous (both in its inhumanity and the global extent of its) enterprise.

But about Blacks and American Racism against them, there is not the slightest question: I have personally witnessed – 24/7-365, for going on 60 years now – this has ALWAYS been present, with one swollen, politically-driven hateful wave following the next, to drench the entire landscape, from Sea to Shining Sea, in its Filth. Any (honest) American over 50 can readily bear witness to precisely this. Accession to the Presidency of “That Monkey”, “Obongo” notwithstanding. Indeed, he is being uised – and, you are absolutely right: he pro-actively plays his part, just as he is paid to do – only to intensify it. For which you are far and sickeningly only too eager to serve in YOUR role, as Useful Idiot.

And finally I must point out the astronomical hypocrisy of your title itself: elocuting Obama’s full middle name “Hussein” in the sounding of its own dog-whistle – the Other Anti-Semitism: Muslim-Bashing. For wich Hate-Spewing Donald Trump has no equal. This psychotic phobia – also quite clearly since 911 being pimped – HARD – in its intensity without precedent, in American History: the closest earlier wave of it, in the aftermath of the 1970s OPEC fuel crisis, and 1980s Beirut Bombing, etc., still placing only a Distant Second.

Take it from someone who has witnessed first-hand one helluva lot more of America than you EVER have: Don’t Die (still) an Idiot.

Harsh assessment, but largely true. The imbalance thing might be a major reason for China-girl angst. Chinese families, ruled by Chinese men, drowned the lady-babies in China for many decades (that we know of, officially anyway) because after all, for what is a daughter good? The imbalance spreads throughout the Asian region, they all practiced infanticide. Never a decent female balance in those societies, but many “empty branches”. Where not employed in the armies, the un-mated men cause much trouble. And those women want OUT. They would have made great feminists in China and had good reason for their anger there. Instead, they come here and join feminists who have no good reason for theirs. More is the pity.

“When will the American take up responsiblity to compensate those war time babies in Vietnam and Japan?”

That was then. Today, those yelloid girls WANT and PREFER American men to yelloid men like you.

Chinese girl no wanna have your kid. Look at China. A huge imbalance of men and women. Too many men, not enough women. But, when American go to China, Chinese women wanna go with American men.

You loser.

There are many examples I can quote to prove the White fenales have the same policy: No hairly animals allowed in their wombs, they are simply too gross, prone to family violence and homo hobby; just ask Jane Dole.

Perhaps you have mistaken Vietnam and Japan for China; there are a lot of White and Black war time babies in Vietnam and Japan waiting for the American to show remorse for abondoning them there. When will the American take up responsiblity to compensate those war time babies in Vietnam and Japan?

Two wongs don’t make a white.

At any rate, when you yelloids come to the West, remember that your yelloid women compare you guys with men of other races and find the latter superior and offer their wombs to them.

Chinee women have policy in their wombs: No Dogs and Chinee Males Allowed & Chinese Male Exclusion Act.

Just ask Amy Chua.

So, bitch all you want about American ‘racism’ and ‘imperialism’.

Inside every Chinee woman is an American(white or black) baby trying to get out.

Tibet and Xinjiang are part of China, all Chinese are equal and they share China together. But the White, if Fisk Ellington Rutledge III is a speciement of the White, steals other people’s land but they want to deport others from the land they stole with all summary force and root the others out of the land they stole with the most draconian methods necessary; there is a big difference between the Chinese and the White in case you haven’t noticed.

Love your idea of dumping our savages on Mexico. Deport both illegal mestizos AND Africans to Mexico and see how they, and the Mexicans, fare.

Agree with you, except that there must be an exception for non-white spouses of white native-born U.S. citizens. This is not at all a large number of people compared to the tens of millions of Africans, Muslims, and illegal mestizos whom we must deport.

Beg pardon gentlemen; you fail to give due credit to the power of pathogens moving through a vulnerable population. All the Spanish had to do was drop off a few hogs in Florida and then come back later and the result would have been about the same, but without the cool title credits. Meanwhile, the noble savages forgot that they were blood kin and so, waged fratricidal war on each other, just like stupid white men. There were no human “natives” of anything but the world island. Still, the alleged superiority of white intellect is belied by how their most profligate slaughters have apparently been reserved for fellow Caucasians in millennia long murder fests.

This species, over evolutionary time, has lost its worker caste altogether.

That sounds ever so familiar…

The Conqueror/Settler Narrative puts Indians at the moral center. It says, “yes, white man did great things in America, but it came at tragic expense of Indians who lost their ancestral lands.” The Conqueror narratives means America was conquered and taken from a certain people. Who were they? Indians.

If you point out that “Indians” are not a real people, and never have been, but a catch-all term invented by white academic to refer to various peoples who were generally at one another’s throats, you be raciss.

If you point out that Palestinians are a real people, and not an invented one, you be “ANTI-SEMITIC!!!”

If you point out that Whites are not simply “a social construct” in any meaningful way, you be White Supremaciss.

“The North America and Australia do not belong to the White, they belong to the First Nations of the North America and the indigenous people of the lands.”

Tibet for Tibetans!
Uighria for Uighurs!

“the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. The Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”

That is the universal rule of life.

Did you enjoy your recent visit to Tibet, Wong, where the Han have ruled since time immemorial? (Well, I, for one, can remember back to 1959– but only a little!) Where might you be off to next? Indonesia, perhaps, where they have always peaceably worshipped Allah? Or, southern Africa, perhaps, where the Bantu-speaking tribes are as old as the rocks themselves? How about majestic Istanbul, near where the Turks fought the ancient Greeks, over the honor of a purloined Greek queen, a few thousand years ago? So much immutable culture, worldwide– except where we evil, blue-eyed devils descended, out of Europa, from the malignant Renaissance onward….

Or someone else could have read them, and told Trump about them. Wild supposition, I know, Baruch!

The North America and Australia do not belong to the White, they belong to the First Nations of the North America and the indigenous people of the lands. The White stole the lands from the rightful owners of those lands thru organized violence and committing crimes against humanity against the rightful owners and other non-White people. The temporary administrative rights held by the current regimes on those stolen lands do not qualify the aliens on those lands as the legitimate owners of those lands in the eyes of the rest of the world, therefore your resentment and bitterness against non-White is totally unwarranted because the White is squatters and thieves of those lands. Squatters and thieves cannot claim rightful ownership of loots because their temporary holding possession of the loots, and squatter and thief do not have to right to evict other squatters and thieves.

You should know “the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. The Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.” The White invent racism to legitimize the organized violence and the crimes against humanity they committed against the rest of the world and to keep their loots and ill gains on the moral high ground. It seems you have forgotten this fact because you have been brained washed by such racism from cradle to grave with excessive flag saluting.

The White has been waging reckless wars against the rest of the world like ‘God-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘inquisitors’ since they could sail off from the Mediterranean Sea. The rest of the world needs to put a straitjacket on the White so they cannot wage more reckless wars against rest of the world.

I almost wish Trump really was the man these people make him out to be.

The “American ideal” is fucking stupid, and should be attacked. There isn’t anything special, or worthwhile about democracy, western values etc. Look back over a few hundred years and you will see that all western achievement was founded on, or during times when it was neither liberal or democratic. That stuff comes afterwards.

So Trump was digging through obscure Facebook posts? That’s your story?

Even if you are right, that means Trump is searching out the worst statements he can find and pretending that they are common. That’s as bad as making shit up, and worse than being delusional. Good job, I guess.

As long as the likes of Farrakahn, Black Panthers, Sharpton, Obama, can say “F[—] the police”,
but WE can’t even use the word “black” in a sentence, the “discussion” hasn’t really even started.

Sharpton is shown nothing but honor and respect by the President and the Mayor of New York City. Sharpton spoke to standing ovations at the 2004 Democrat National Convention. Sharpton has a show on a major media outlet (MSNBC), with major mainstream sponsors– the same MSNBC that fired Patrick J. Buchanan.

Obama was endorsed by Farrakahn. Obama was close for years with an anti-white, black supremacist, hate-spewing “Reverend” (Jeremiah Wright).

The list goes on…

But no “respectable” figure would dare cite John Derbyshire or Steve Sailer (except, perhaps, to denounce them).

Such a skewed picture it is surreal.

Gene replicators needn’t be the only ones to control what their genes do.

But he’s actually defending Trump, anthony @44. In today’s world, that takes steel balls.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437950/japans-new-fascism

Actually, Japanese politics has been a one-party system since the Cold War. US needed Japan as ally against Russia and China, and US aided LDP to take monopoly power. The Socialist Party became a mere shadow party. For nearly all of Japan’s history after WWII, there was one party domination. It’s rather like China under one-party rule of Communists.

US had no problem with this arrangement. Also, Japan is doing American Neocon bidding of siding with US against China.
Japan has been a neocon dream.

t seems LDP won enough of a majority of parliament to rewrite the Constitution that was forced on Japan by the US. If the NR piece is correct, Japan will boost nationalism and de-emphasize its guilt and war crimes in WWII. In other words, Japan will reject the path chosen by suicidal Germany that must atone forever.

But American Foreign policy is confused and schizo on this matter. On the one hand, US wants Japan to feel enough war guilt to remain a servile dog of the US forever and be a military dependent.
On the other hand, US wants Japan to underplay war guilt so that Japan can side with US against China. Indeed, while Obama has recently visited Hiroshima, he has made no gestures toward China. He hasn’t visited Nanking to pay tribute to 100,000s killed.

Incidentally, Jews have never admitted their role in Communism. And Jews have yet to admit their war of Nakba on the Palestinians.
And most of the new wars since end of the Cold War were cooked up by Jews who smashed Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Jews also worked with Neo-Nazis to overthrow the legit government of Ukraine. US that throws the term ‘fascism’ around to denigrate other nations never apply it to Israel and Jews. US made Nakba possible. US is mum about the continuing Occupation.

So, all this talk of ‘fascism’ is bogus.

While some right-wing elements in Japan are indeed lowlife scum, America is hardly better when it comes to history. Has US faced up to its role in division of Korea and Vietnam that led to disastrous wars? Has US faced up to its lies about Iraq and the utter destruction of that nation? Has US faced up to its destruction of Libya and Syria at the behest of Neocon mass killers?

Japanese who don’t face up to WWII are shitters, but Americans have been glib about all the destruction they’ve caused since the end of the Cold War when US, under Zionist control, became the #1 aggressive power in the world.

From NR:

“In just the last five years, Japan’s press freedom — as ranked by Reporters without Borders — has fallen from 11th globally to 72nd.”

Who decides these matter? So, what is press freedom like in US? Ask Rick Sanchez and Helen Thomas(now six feet under ground).

US is a nation where the presstitutes in the media aided and abetted Bush’s war of deception into Iraq. The US media remained mum about Obama/Hillary’s war on Middle East, North Africa, and Russia.
US is a nation where businesses are destroyed if they defy homomania.

NR:

“Five years ago, President Obama called for a foreign-policy “pivot to Asia.” With China seizing and militarizing the South China Sea, and North Korea testing delivery systems for its new nuclear weapons, it would probably be a good idea — “pivot to Asia”–wise — not to stand idly by while our most important Asian ally, and the second-richest democracy in the world, reverts to fascism.”

Oy vey. It is precisely because US wants to use Japan against China that it has overlooked the rightist turn in Japan.
Besides Japan’s going homomaniacal, so all’s fine.

Peter Lee,

your practice and preaching diverge more than they should.
You hold China and the USA to completely different standards, skewed according to your preference.

Now, make no mistake: I agree to what you say on the South China Sea matters.
But as soon as the topic isn’t that sea, you are very conservative for China, extremely liberal for the USA.

This is what we find in 99% of pieces, but not the 1% journalism I am interested in.

At this time in history the only rational thing to be for White people IS racist. The only other choice is to be a Leftist coward and traitor who wants to flood White countries with nonWhite, third-world savages (Mexicans, Asians, Africans) and pander to our very own Black domestic savages.

NonWhites are flocking to White countries as parasites and they are finally destroying the host. Domestic Blacks see White ethnomasochism as terminal weakness, and they are simply reverting to their natural tendency to engage in violence.

The bottom line is that it is finally crystal clear that nonWhites have no place at all in White countries. They ALL need to go; to be deported with all summary force.

It will be easy for the U.S. to do this. All we have to do is dump them ALL on Mexico and let out worst enemy deal with them. It won’t be pretty, but it is necessary if civilization is to survive. Any measures short of this will simply be a reflection of denial of reality. The deadly Leftist pathology that has been killing us for decades must be rooted out with the most draconian methods necessary. Whites are at war. Many of us just haven’t admitted it yet.

{Why do you bother denying you are anti-Semite. The shoe fits so wear it. What do you care?}

Why do you bother denying you are an anti-American, anti-Christian parasite?
Wear the “badge” proudly.
And keep mooching for handouts from American taxpayers: it is quite becoming.

“Marshall and Pierce, two middle-aged or worse white fellows (like myself)”

Peter Flea, you no Chinee?

Damn you, Flea. You makey me look like fool.

Philandro Castile did not deserve to die. I’ll grant him that moment of silence. Micah X. Johnson did deserve to die. His anger made him succumb to evil. No recognition of any kind is due to a coward who shoots people from afar — whether those victims were cops or civilians.

But think what that “truth” has been used for in the past. Eugenics. Group superiority. Enslavement.

Yes, but I think a similar (perhaps even longer/worse) list applies to “falsehood”. I also think for many of the cases where “truth” led to problems it would be more accurate to say it provided an excuse. If on average whites have a higher IQ than blacks that is not a (IMHO valid) justification for slavery (should I be the slave of a neighbor with a higher IQ? should a neighbor with a lower IQ be my slave?).

I would characterize it as trying to salvage his career and dignity in light of extreme sensitivity–right or wrong, fair or unfair–regarding a hot button topic. Should he have been “blackballed”? No.

Agreed.

To me, racism and sexism, hell, any “isms”, have been co-opted by the left and the right with equal ferocity to promote their own agenda. Racism is NOT when a white person points out that there are high crime rates in black neighborhoods, because that is a statistical fact. However, I want to know more WHY there are high crime rates in black neighborhoods, and “race realists” are super quick to point out it’s ENTIRELY due to genetics. That is B.S. in my book.

Agreed that the idea it is ENTIRELY due to genetics is BS. I don’t think many people actually believe that, and the ones that do mostly recognize there are a host of mediating variables (poverty, single parent households, poor treatment by others, etc.) but believe them all caused at root by genetics (perhaps I am being too charitable, but I have sympathy given the hostility that meets ANY mention of genetics in this context). I share your WHY curiosity, but I worry more about WHAT can we do about it? That simultaneously inspires some sympathy with those who deny the genetic effects (because we can’t do anything about the genetics of those already born and I think that motivates many “deniers”) while also inspiring frustration and anger (because we can’t address the problems effectively if we are unwilling to see the underlying causes realistically, this also applies to my take on BLM and the police). I am further frustrated that what seems the most obvious thing to do (modify various cultural behaviors, in many ways things are worse now than in the past IMHO) is categorically rejected (patronizing, “Uncle Tom”, “acting white”, etc.) by the black community.

I think it might help for us when criticizing the entirely one or the other crew to remember to emphasize that the alternative is not the opposite. Rather, it is a view which recognizes the importance of both genetic and environmental effects. This usually becomes clear in a civil, nuanced discussion, but it is far too easy for one side to just say “wrong” and the other to interpret it as “they believe the opposite–what an idiot”.

Let’s take a page from MLK–judge a person by the content of their character.

If only we all could. That said, I think a little realism about all of us having to make decisions with imperfect information would help. Assuming stereotypes indicate the reality for any given individual is clearly wrong, but ignoring stereotypes (including but going well beyond race) when assessing how to initially approach unknown people is also IMHO wrong (even if it is required to avoid being labelled racist, sexist, heightist, weightist, ageist, etc.). There is also room for a great deal of nuance. Hopefully even the “racists” among us (including myself based on my previous sentence, though I wonder what black friends of mine over the years would make of that characterization) can recognize that encountering a group of professorial looking blacks talking quietly together is very different from encountering a group of “youths” of threatening demeanor spreading out to surround someone (personal experience of the latter, it ended as the screaming voice in my head thought it might).

Sociobiology’s become the only medium for telling truths about humans.

My favourite character in Wilson’s The Insect Societies is Monomorium santschii. This species, over evolutionary time, has lost its worker caste altogether. The host workers do everything for their parasites, even the most terrible task of all. At the behest of the invading parasite queen, they actually perform the deed of murdering their own mother. The usurper doesn’t need to use her jaws. She uses mind-control. How she does it is a mystery; she probably employs a chemical, for ant nervous systems-are generally highly attuned to them.

If her weapon is indeed chemical, then it is as insidious a drug as any known to science. For think what it accomplishes. It floods the brain of the worker ant, grabs the reins of her muscles, woos her from deeply ingrained duties and turns her against her own mother. For ants, matricide is an act of special genetic madness and formidable indeed must be the drug that drives them to it. In the world of the extended phenotype, ask not how an animal’s behaviour benefits its genes; ask instead whose genes it is benefiting.

Richard Dawkins, quoting Edward Wilson

You are correct, Peter; you are a jerk. Philando Castile was shot dead because (a) when Officer Yanez arrived at Castile’s window, Castile had his weapon SITTING ON HIS LAP, and (b) Castile, with his weapon SITTING ON HIS LAP, failed to follow Officer Yanez’ command not to move.

Would you like me to dissect The Narrative on the other police shooting that has jerks like you thinking that Blacks are persecuted by police in America, based on racial animus rather than Blacks’ own anti-social behavior?

What is the American Ideal?

It changed since America became a Judeo-centric “Nation of Immigrants”.

Making US into a ‘nation of immigrants’ sends American Indians and Blacks to the back of the bus, especially as homomania is the new globo-religion of America.

Before US was a ‘nation of immigrants’, it was a nation of native red savages, white conquerors and settlers, and black slaves. Though whites ruled, white narrative was inseparable from the Native American or Indian narrative and the black narrative.
After all, whites conquered Indian lands, and whites brought over black slaves.
So, the conqueror-settler narrative was closely linked with the Indian and Black narratives.

But as America goes into ‘nation of immigrant’ narrative — especially involving immigrants who arrived after America was conquered and Civil War was distant memory — , the American Narrative is less and less linked with the Indians and even blacks.
Black Narrative is still strong but has been twisted to favor Diversity than Black Interest. MLK is elevated increasingly as champion of diversity and ‘inclusion’ than justice for Negroes. When MLK was marching around in 60s, he was all about justice for Negroes who’d been denied full rights.
But MLK is now supposed to be the champion of ALL minorities, and that means tons of immigrants. MLK and Emma Lazarus might as well be the same people.

MLK-ism and American Indian narrative are morally compelling because whites did take the land from Indians and because whites did buy black slaves and exploited them.
In contrast, as nice as Emma Lazarus poem may read, it has no moral justification whatsoever. If white Americans did wrong to Indians and blacks, what do they owe to the rest of the world? If there is huddled wretchedness around the world, it’s not America’s fault. White Americans owe something to only those to whom they did wrong. White Americans didn’t create the conditions in Russian Jewish ghettos or poor villages in China and India. America never owed anything to Jewish Europeans or Chinese or Indians or Arabs or Africans(who were not brought over as slaves).

MLK-ism used mean ‘something for blacks’. Now, with MLK as a hero to ALL minorities, he stands as a brotha to Emma Lazarus.

What blacks fail to understand is that the demise of the white conqueror/settler narrative also means the demise of the black narrative. The Immigrant Narrative isn’t linked with the Black Narrative. Late-coming Immigrants didn’t enslave blacks and owe nothing to them. So, as America becomes more Diverse, blacks matter less.

Also, the Nation of Immigrants concept totally trashed the American Indian Narrative.
The Conqueror/Settler Narrative puts Indians at the moral center. It says, “yes, white man did great things in America, but it came at tragic expense of Indians who lost their ancestral lands.” The Conqueror narratives means America was conquered and taken from a certain people. Who were they? Indians.

But since Immigrants came after America was already settled, they feel no special historical bond to the Indians.
The Nation of Immigrants Narrative pisses on nativism. It says all nations(except Israel for some reason) should be open to massive immigration, and any nativist who opposes this is evil.
But that also means that American Indians were wrong to resist the White Conquest of America. After all, the Red Man was a nativist who fought to keep the land of his forefathers.
The globalist concept of ‘nation of immigrants’ pisses on nativism all over the world, and this is the new imperialism. After all, the great anti-imperialist struggles of the 20th century were all nativist. Native indigenous peoples were telling white European colonizers to go back home. The Vietnam War was also nativist as it was against US occupation of South Vietnam and the resulting diversity of US soldiers using women as whores.

The Nation of Immigrants Narrative not only does violence to White Americans but to American Indians and Negroes. Whereas the white conqueror/settler narrative does pay special tribute to Indians and Negroes, the Nation of Immigrants Narrative does not.
“America is a nation of conquerors/settlers” narrative is linked with “America is a nation of the conquered Indian tribes” narrative and “America is a nation of enslaved blacks” narrative. This narrative says Americans owe something to Indians and blacks.

But America as Nation of Immigrants places the main moral burden on foreigners to whom Americans never did any wrong. If indeed America is a Nation of Immigrants, it must keep taking in more and more immigrants to be ‘American’. So, America’s main moral obligation is to the world than its history.

65 killed 64. The 1965 Immigration Act undid the promises of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It turned White America away from the needs of Indians and blacks(whom white Americans had done wrong to) to the needs of a world of foreigners(whom white Americans hadn’t done wrong to). But since Jews gained power as relative late-immigrant arrivals, it was in their interest to put Immigrants above Indian natives, white settlers, and black slaves. Indeed, now MLK has been transformed from a black leader to leader of diversity is amusing indeed. But King’s message was not, “white folks should favor the interests of masses of foreign immigrants pouring into America over that of Negroes.” People like MLK who supported the Immigration Act probably thought non-whites would side with blacks against whites. But as it turned out, non-stop immigration turned blacks from the biggest minority(by far) to the second minority behind Hispanics. And if we take Hispanics, Asians, and Muslims together, blacks are becoming less and less significant. But then, white/Jewish/homo Liberals really love this since there is nothing they fear more than strong, aggressive, and hostile black thugs who nearly destroyed cities like NY and Chicago in the 70s.
But if Liberal elites honestly admitted why they love immigration(as buffer between themselves and blacks), there will be much anger. So, even as they push for more immigration, they say all the nice palliative things that keep Negroes believing that they is #1 in the hearts of Liberal America. So, even as NY increases Diversity to drown out blacks, the pages of NYT pay special tribute to a moron like Tahenisi Coates the ‘genius’.

“Trump didn’t do that or a hundred other things he should have done because Trump is a complete idiot with no business in power. With that said, we do owe him a lot of gratitude for shifting the Overton Window and striking a serious blow to the monster that is political correctness. ”

Sorry to hear about your retarded brother. I bet he isn’t a billionaire with a record of success in business in a highly competitive field. If he is, then you should start paying closer attention to what he says. If that is the case, perhaps you are wrong about which brother is retarded.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don’t see how a “complete idiot” could have achieved as much success in business as he has, not to mention several billion dollars in assets. A “complete idiot” does not manage to secure the Republican nomination by spending as little as Trump did or by having such a lean campaign organization. There is a reason why Robert Kraft, the owner of the NE Patriots who seems to be rather capable in his own right, has referred to Trump as a “financial genius.” A “complete idiot” does not manage “to shift the Overton Window and strike a serious blow to the monster that is political correctness,” as you readily concede Trump has done. I assure you that I am not a “complete idiot” or “retarded” like your brother, and I watched every Republican debate. In my considered opinion, Donald Trump stood head and shoulders above the other 16 Republican candidates he vanquished. He was invariably right on the issues, far more than those other clowns seeking the Republican nomination, many of whom did not seem to appreciate the danger of tangling with nuclear-armed Russia in Syria and elsewhere. I am very comfortable with the thought that Donald Trump may be our next President, far more than I am with the dreaded thought that the incompetent Hillary Clinton will be.

“It’s important to make a distinction between what appears to be proven by the data (a much higher standard) versus what appears to be suggested by the data. Conversely, absence of a high standard of proof of an assertion does not imply the assertion is false or the opposite is true (as in many “race denier” arguments).”

Yes.

“As an example, at this point I think a genetic component to IQ can be considered proven (as well as anything ever is in behavioral genetics). However, a genetic component to racial differences in IQ is at most suggested by current data (e.g. IQ SNP frequency differences).”

Yes.

“Having said all that though I think the ‘acolytes of “race realism” and “race = genetics”’ are probably closer to the truth than the race deniers of the Narrative (the neat thing is with advances in genomics we might actually get real answers here, even if only by accident).”

But think what that “truth” has been used for in the past. Eugenics. Group superiority. Enslavement.

“I also think the retort of “we don’t have enough data” coming from people who actively prevent such research being done is profoundly hypocritical.”

Perhaps.

“Related to this is the difference between a strawman (e.g. a position no one would argue) and my best assessment of your position. Are you explicitly denying that you saw Watson’s backtracking as a positive? If so, how would you characterize it?”

I would characterize it as trying to salvage his career and dignity in light of extreme sensitivity–right or wrong, fair or unfair–regarding a hot button topic. Should he have been “blackballed”? No.

To me, racism and sexism, hell, any “isms”, have been co-opted by the left and the right with equal ferocity to promote their own agenda. Racism is NOT when a white person points out that there are high crime rates in black neighborhoods, because that is a statistical fact. However, I want to know more WHY there are high crime rates in black neighborhoods, and “race realists” are super quick to point out it’s ENTIRELY due to genetics. That is B.S. in my book.

Let’s take a page from MLK–judge a person by the content of their character. Unfortunately, today’s Coalition of the Fringe Right and the Coalition of the Fringe Left work feverishly to dictate the narrative.

Why do you bother denying you are anti-Semite. The shoe fits so wear it. What do you care? And being an anti-Semite does not mean you can’t be a good guy in other areas. It is not the total definition of who you are. This is what libs try to do, to define someone just by one aspect of what he does. Just so long as you are not a MuzzSymp you are probably OK.

One thing that recent and current events have taught me is an understanding of the fascist mindset. You get groups of people so willfully disassociated from reality that reason and critical thinking are dead, you really have nowhere else to go other than, “F*** it, just shoot them all.”

Or separate them. I fully endorse the Black Psnthers call for a separate black state (I’ll be damned if I’ll give them the five states they want). Good godamned riddance.

{Lets face it, you are a phony, a one dimensional anti-Semite who only squeaks and squawks about what the Jews get from America. The Jews of Israel in this case. }

The charge of anti-Semitism flung carelessly by desperate, delusional Israel-firsters has lost its bite and its meaning, since it has been used in desperation to cover Israeli malfeasance and treachery so often and for so long.
Your post is Exhibit A: unable to argue facts, in desperation you throw out the “anti-Semite” charge.
I don’t care if you think I am an anti-Semite.
I know who and what I am.

As for you: you are a phony, one dimensional anti-American, anti-Christian parasite who only squeaks and squawks for more American taxpayers handouts for Israel.

{Check out your past posts and go see if they are all bitching about the Jews. I have not looked by the way.}

I bitch about a lot of things that affect America and American taxpayers.
And you should check out my past posts re Jews: you’ll be surprised.
I don’t conflate Jews with the State of Israel and treacherous Israeli (Jewish) leaders.

How many billions a year do you think the USA has been spending since at least 1972 to have the US Navy patrol the sea lanes of the Middle East to make sure that Saudi, Kuwaiti and other Arab oil gets through to Europe and the US. Japan too.
Lets face it, you are a phony, a one dimensional anti-Semite who only squeaks and squawks about what the Jews get from America. The Jews of Israel in this case. Check out your past posts and go see if they are all bitching about the Jews. I have not looked by the way.
You are right about one thing. The fracking revolution makes us less dependent on Mid East oil but when that revolution runs its course….. But Europe is still dependent on Iranian and Saudi oil and we like to make sure it stays this way for world stability. This costs billions each year, spent on US Navy operations over there.

Once more: Izzies can do whatever they want as long as it does not involve America and/or the American taxpayers. Youse score big against rage-a-holic Islam? great: but keep doing it on your own. US can take care of itself. The whole of Middle East can go down in flames, and it won’t affect US one bit.

How the numbers compare, respectively and proportionately, of criminal cops vs. violently criminal blacks?

Most urban Blacks have hitched their wagon to the federal government and its illicit diversity policies for their livelihood, not to the free market.

All diversity victim cult people have a similar federal government dependent ideology.

Women are entitled because of Male oppression
Jewish are entitled because of Gentile oppression
Queers are entitled because of Straight oppression
Muslims are entitled because of Christian oppression
Disabled are entitled because of Healthy oppression
Afro-blacks are entitled because of White oppression
Latinos are entitled because of Gringo oppression
Hispanics are entitled because of Gringo oppression
Military Veteran are entitled because of Militia oppression
2-party System Dependents are entitled because of Independent oppression
Aboriginals are entitled because of Paleface oppression
Asians are entitled because of Occidental oppression
National Socialist are entitled because of local-state Government oppression
Crony Capitalist are entitled because of honest Businessmen oppression
Zionist are entitled because of anti-Fascist oppression

Mark Furman made a comment the other night that maybe even Al Sharpton could understand. Ok, scratch that. For the logically inclined and to paraphrase, he mentioned that patrol cops are at the mercy of their radios. Wherever they are called to, they go.

They get a load of calls to the hood.

From hood citizens.

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Very good insights!

As you say, how they engage the Islamics is not a matter of aimless theorizing but a matter of survival. America and even Europe can still afford its stupid liberal theoreticians while Israel has never has been able to. Note too the high birthrates in Israel and the low ones in Western Europe. High birthrates means your people intend to survive. Low ones means your young people live in a society still wealthy enough to subsidize their tattoos, half shaved heads, aimless university studies and indoor video gaming.

Once more the Izzies score big against rage-a-holic Islam when you compare them to the Europeans who were dumb enough to invite their mass immigration. Wacky Angela Merkel still does. Talk about an ongoing death wish!
The Islamic death cult has found its perfect partner in the current European death wish.

Muslims have been killing the shyte out of each other before Israel existed and they will be doing so after Israel exists if they somehow wipe it out. Israel and its six million Jews are a non-factor when it comes to the centuries of shiite vs sunni wars and other intramural squabbling the Islamic clans and crazies can dream up.
Allah likes the Muslim cults of war and human sacrifice same as the Aztec sun god demanded fresh blood and fresh plucked beating human hearts daily. If you are a MuzzSymp white boy this is flat out pathetic.

Try silenced majority, since there isn’t an MSM outlet that presents the majority view.

Well said.

Israeli chickens___ parasites demanding more of my paycheck to feed ISIS cannibals.
Israel cares only about Israel.
Backstabbing Israelis are the same ingrate parasites who murdered Americans on USS Liberty.
The same backstabbing parasites who let loose a very destructive spy – Jonathan Pollard – into our country, and who caused immense damage to US.

US does not need anything from Israel.
Please go away and leave us alone.

I agree the Israelis do a very good job with what they have to deal with, especially when circled by hostility. I do have criticisms when too much innocent collateral damage is involved, which in the long run I believe its even counterproductive to the Israeli’s themselves. But even when I disagree with some of their methods, I also understand why the Israeli’s are apt to use aggressive tactics – – they are not going to take a risk of another holocaust. Thus the Israeli’s are really not as concerned with world opinion as much as their own survival, and I guess any other group would act with a similar ends justifies the means attitude, after that kind of history.
Europeans can learn from them on how to be a more aggressive with their own islamic terrorist. The USA as well can learn from them when we deal with our domestic terrorism in the form of afro american crime motivated by hatred (afro americans criminals kill more people in this country than islamic terrorism). We should all learn how to be aggressive like the Israelis, however attempt to minimize collateral damage against innocent life and property. Otherwise we just cause more potential radicalization.

“The Israelis do a great job against the Islamic Jihad”

Really? You can actually say something like this with a straight face? Last time I checked, Israel was supporting the Islamic jihadis against the secular Syrian government, taking care of wounded Al Nusra and ISIS fighters in Israeli hospitals, bombing Syrian military targets etc. (And that’s in addition to stealthily supporting anti-Russian Chechen jihadis, Azerbaijanis against Armenians, etc., for many years prior.) The actual reality: Israel fights Islamic militants ONLY WHEN they are directly attacked or threatened by them; otherwise they are among their best buddies and backers. (And the Muslim militants that DO attack Israel tend to be nationalistically motivated Palestinian or Lebanese guerrillas, rather than bona fide international jihadis of the type attacking Syria and Europe, anyway.)

Those who you claim are lying.
So that you don’t come off as an uniformed bumpkin.

Where did I claim someone was lying?

And why are you so worried about my appearance? Can you make any comment worth reading? Do you think your comments add anything to the discussion or that anyone else really cares?

And what’s wrong with coming off like an uninformed bumpkin? I am one, after all. I’m so ignernt that me mammy named me JS so that no one could tell me I don’ know JS!

Have a nice day.

Sidebar–IQ to me is a combination of genetics and environment. Race is also biological and social construct.

This is actually helpful to me (though I confess to having difficulty reconciling it with some of your arguments–perhaps you just like playing devil’s advocate?). Thank you for taking a stand. I agree with you on both counts.

Would that include closely scrutinizing the methodologies and conclusions drawn from those who are acolytes of “race realism” and “race = genetics”?

Yes it does. I think advocates of those sometimes overstep their evidence. It’s important to make a distinction between what appears to be proven by the data (a much higher standard) versus what appears to be suggested by the data. Conversely, absence of a high standard of proof of an assertion does not imply the assertion is false or the opposite is true (as in many “race denier” arguments). As an example, at this point I think a genetic component to IQ can be considered proven (as well as anything ever is in behavioral genetics). However, a genetic component to racial differences in IQ is at most suggested by current data (e.g. IQ SNP frequency differences). Having said all that though I think the ‘acolytes of “race realism” and “race = genetics”’ are probably closer to the truth than the race deniers of the Narrative (the neat thing is with advances in genomics we might actually get real answers here, even if only by accident). I also think the retort of “we don’t have enough data” coming from people who actively prevent such research being done is profoundly hypocritical.

Related to this is the difference between a strawman (e.g. a position no one would argue) and my best assessment of your position. Are you explicitly denying that you saw Watson’s backtracking as a positive? If so, how would you characterize it?

Regarding the rest. I see no explicit reference to nature/nurture in Watson’s original remarks. In fact, his reference to testing indicates he is referring to current status IMHO. I agree that many people read his remarks as implying a genetic difference (almost any comment about populations and IQ gets tarred with that). Regarding references, I think your comment about Watson’s apology should have included one–especially given that I found two accounts with significantly different meanings (I cited both).

The Israelis do a great job against the Islamic Jihad and you should have extra taken from your paycheck to support their efforts. Just look how the Jews stack up against the Euro-Weenie French and Germans when it comes to taking on Islamic imperialism and Islamic psycho-killers.

War means 2 entities fighting each other. Whites have not fought back against blacks since some 1920’s real race riots in Chicago and other northern cities

I don’t exactly know what to call something whereby group B conquers group W with absolutely no resistance from group W or even acknowledgement by group W that it allows itself to be destroyed

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“Watson’s original statement said nothing about the nature-nurture debate on IQ as far as I know.”

His comment “that their intelligence is the same as ours–whereas all the testing says not really” assuredly referred to the nature-nurture debate regarding IQ. That is exactly why a number of his colleagues distanced themselves, and exactly why Watson’s backtracking had specific nature-nurture overtones.

“What it did state is the objective reality of lower average IQ in Africa (it would be more precise to say Sub-Saharan Africa) compared to places such as Europe.”

This statement, on its face, is accurate. This is NOT Watson’s EXACT statement. Remember, Watson specifically referenced that Africa is not genetically inferior to Europe based on the available scientific evidence. The reason that he got into hot water was NOT because of the test score reference, but because of the larger implication. Does Watson believe in his heart of hearts that Africa IS genetically inferior? I don’t know, but when he says no, he is backtracking from his initial assertion that”our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours”. In retrospect, given his stature, he should have NOT received that level of scrutiny and be forced out. But given his past statements, Watson should have used discretion, although his statements were off-the-cuff. Apparently, in 1997, Watson expressed his sentiments to a British newspaper that women should take the liberty to abort an unborn child when discovering through a test the child would be born gay; he later insisted it was a hypothetical situation. He also suggested a link between skin color and sex drive, and argued in favor of genetic screening to “cure stupidity”, although his position makes little sense in light of his reference to his Scots and Irish ancestors being guided by faith in reason and social justice for “those on top to help care for the less fortunate.”

“(again, that’s what a citation looks like–if you really do want to have a substantive debate please try using them)”.

Which I have provided repeatedly when requested or when required, thank you very little.

“Regarding my backtracking as a positive comment you criticize (yes, it was an inference, one which I stand behind though clearly not admissible as evidence in a court of law, you are a lawyer right?)”



Which you are openly admitting that you erected a strawman in the first place.

“though I have many flaws I’m pretty sure applying asymmetric standards of proof to my and others arguments is one I am less guilty of than most.”



Would that include closely scrutinizing the methodologies and conclusions drawn from those who are acolytes of “race realism” and “race = genetics”?

Sidebar–IQ to me is a combination of genetics and environment. Race is also biological and social construct.

To add the point:

Repuplbican strategest Lee Atwater:

“When we talk about lowering taxes, it says: good for whites, not so good for Blacks, because whites have more tax to pay on their higher income.

”When we talk about cuts to welfare and food stamps it’s bad for blacks not so bad for whites.

This is Dog Whistling, the issues are subordinate to the purpose which is to advertise the disposition and aims that the campaign follows, it’s tricky.

Right On!

Dog whislting is mostly a super sneeky white phenomena in the first place. People who prefer to speak in code around issues just too mean and wrong. Even knuck draggers know when they are racist assholes. Just trying to step up on some less fortunate. Wink of an eye, this or that.

The Republican strategist late, spelled it out plain, no dog whistled bs for a change.

Elites ”stir the pot” to divide and rule.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. How much sympathy should the “silent majority” get when they’re choosing to be silent? Silence is consent.

What dog whistle?????

So much for substantive debate (and to think I was foolish enough to get my hopes up–there’s a good example of one of my flaws). I’ll leave you with your statement about Watson’s accuracy which prompted my objection. Are you disavowing that statement now?

If his comments were indeed “accurate”, he would not have been compelled to backtrack, but rather be steadfast in his beliefs.

Watson’s original statement said nothing about the nature-nurture debate on IQ as far as I know. What it did state is the objective reality of lower average IQ in Africa (it would be more precise to say Sub-Saharan Africa) compared to places such as Europe.

His apology did allude to nature-nurture though: “I can certainly understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways they have. To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief.” from http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-10-18-2851184495_x.htm
(again, that’s what a citation looks like–if you really do want to have a substantive debate please try using them)
The interesting thing is the NYT rendered his apology as “I cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said. There is no scientific basis for such a belief.” with no ellipsis indicating omission. (from http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/science/19watson.html )
So we see how Watson’s apology (genetics) and his original statement (fact of difference) can be consistent (in particular note his wording regarding the inference of others). On reflection I think clarification would be a better description of that apology than backtrack by the way.

It is also interesting that you can’t even bring yourself to try to come to agreement on an accurate representation of what Watson said. Why is that?

P.S. Regarding my backtracking as a positive comment you criticize (yes, it was an inference, one which I stand behind though clearly not admissible as evidence in a court of law, you are a lawyer right?). I guess I’ll add red herring to my list of classic Corvinus rhetorical “techniques” (other prime examples being straw man and motte and bailey): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring#Logical_fallacy

P.P.S. For anyone interested in more detail on the Watson history: http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php

as to investigating your point – i don’t see the point. i don’t investigate claims that the earth is only 6000 years old or that dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as humans, either.
euclid worked out an extremely complex mathematical explanation proving the sun and the other planets in the solar system orbited the earth. of course, he needed retrograde orbits to make it work.
turns out he was wrong. the truth was much simpler.
earlier peoples thought the earth was flat. they were wrong too. the truth is much simpler.
again, gravity explains what seems to perplex you. and there is no up, or down, or sideways in space.
the same scientific principles that brought you jets, space ships, tvs, cell phones – and the device you use to post your opinions – are the same that prove the earth is an oblate spheroid(because it spins, it bulges at the equator.)
if the earth was flat, you would see an entire ship appearing on the horizon instead of the masts first. that is an easily investigated proof. (well, maybe not so easy. but doable)
lastly, if the earth was a plane you could locate its boundaries. unless you think earth is infinite, too.

“Fascinating that you consider Watson backtracking from accurate comments in an effort to salvage his reputation as a positive.”


I never made any distinct remark, nor attempted to imply, that it was a “positive” for Watson to reverse course. YOU attributed that assertion to me as if I had offered that statement into evidence. 

Please show me EXACTLY where I offer those sentiments.

“This contains two assertions from Watson.”

Why would I question those two statements Watson made? He later issued a statement apologizing “unreservedly” for the comments, adding “there is no scientific basis for such a belief.” Whether one believes his sincerity depends on what camp he or she falls in the nature-nurture debate regarding IQ.

Uhhh….

Are you supposing that bit was intended to represent a personal dialogue with the President? Funny, I didn’t read it that way. But let’s consider. Hmm.. If Obama were to use the term “collective guilt,” who on Earth could he be referring to? What group? I wonder. What collective?

Indeed.

When I read this article I read a concise take-down of Obama’s sophist rhetoric. From Gates to Trayvon to Alton Obama has been there to assert racism where there is none. At the moment emotions are boiling while the facts have yet to thaw Obama takes to the microphone to incite racial attitudes — to incite racism. This author shredded Obama’s rhetoric. The author dismantles Obama’s blatant race-baiting intelligently and logically. I especially appreciated the juxtaposition of the two quotes preceeding the archaic English. It’s obvious to see the incitement to racism, unless Obama’s halo is shining too bright for your eyes.

You have a point: how does one man (Johnson) get 5 kill-shots in just a few seconds? Even Chris Kyle may have a problem with this narrative, from his grave, btw.

MSM is in a “ghost dance,” with the ‘merican community’ before fall sets in…and it’s just too scheissetian-late to sabotage the movement of the non-liberals. Progressive or Progresso?…makes me think of Duck Soup. Good night, Squad.

Wow. Really well-written article. The juxtaposition of Obama’s sophist positions on Sterling/Castile and Dallas was revelatory for me. Not in the sense of taking the point, which I own already, but in expressing the point. I can see the race-baiting by the President, but it’s hard to express it to someone that doesn’t without some kind of analysis. I can point out the temporal component to the emotional manipulation. I can show the correlation between false quotes in the media and Obama’s presence on TV. To wit: “There’s a black guy running around” – ABC on Martin/Zimmerman, and “Gun! There’s a gun!” – NBC on Sterling (the actual quote is “Hey he’s going for the gun!” or “Gun he’s going for the gun!” The word “the” isn’t clear and could be “a,” but the “he’s going for … gun!” part is clear. It’s directly before the shooting if you missed it, spoken at twice normal speed. I’ve yet to hear anybody else back me up on this quote, but it’s there. Sec 8 in the close-up vid and sec 29 in the car vid. It’s obvious once you hear it, but two people are talking at the same time and it’s spoken very fast.) But it’s hard to make any of that stick. The good old black-and-white comparative analysis offered by those two quotes juxtaposed is a slam dunk. Good one.

Obama is a very sick and psychotic man.
What else do you expect?

I would look first in the mirror before making that assertion.

Always good advice. You might consider taking it yourself. Regarding the particular statement I was referring to (quoted above), though I have many flaws I’m pretty sure applying asymmetric standards of proof to my and others arguments is one I am less guilty of than most. Can you say the same?

If and when you want to engage in substantive debate, then please do so. I’ll be here…

OK. Let’s give that a try. Starting with the accuracy of Watson’s statements. Here is the quote from an article at the time that I linked above:

Watson created a storm of controversy when he told The Sunday Times newspaper that he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa,” adding that “[all] our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really”.

This contains two assertions from Watson.
1. “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa,”
2. “[all] our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really”
(I believe 2 was the one that caused most of the trouble.)

Do you agree that is an accurate representation of what he asserted? If not, please propose an alternative including citations. Once we are agreed on statements we can debate their accuracy.

“I think anyone who reads your posts can decide for themselves whether or not my statement is accurate. In my opinion it calls out a pervasive theme in your writing.”

I would look first in the mirror before making that assertion.

“Thanks for making clear how sincere you are in this “conversation.” That’s my cue to stop wasting my time.”

That usually means you’ve been outed, and are leaving to “save face”. Watson made a comment, was taken to task for it, and then backtracked. He didn’t make another effort to double down. I can’t help that you doubt my sincerity. If and when you want to engage in substantive debate, then please do so. I’ll be here…

Obama is an even WORSE president than Carter was. And that’s saying something.

I’m not sure if this guy is absolutely inept, or if he’s an evil liar. As time passes, I’m leaning more and more to the latter. One thing is for sure…you can’t believe a word the guy says. No other racist could get away with what he does…but, after all, he IS of a protected class.

Prove who wrong?
And to what end?
Your talk may be cheap, but prove that mine is.

Those who you claim are lying.
So that you don’t come off as an uniformed bumpkin.

You’re babbling, put down the pipe.

Collective guilt is the modern american mythology that the rest of us owe the afro american, and that they are not racist. Really, I do not see police officers demonstrating to kill more afros, but I see plenty of afros violently demonstrating and justifying killing more police officers. Its a type of extortion, give us more or we will riot (what libs claim it to be civil unrest). But what more can we give in affirmative action, and entitlements. They are the main reason (but not the only one) this nation is headed for bankruptcy, and we do not get any gratitude in return. When will we end this parasitical relationship with afro americans? Most offer no benefit to society, and demand everything like a bunch of spoiled brats that they are. They are takers not givers, and the more we give, the more they want. But what more can we expect from a group of people who are obsessed with race and immediate gratification?

“Collective guilt for thee, but not for me.” – To what collective Ilana Mercer does belong?

When reading her article I often think of women operatives like Pamela Geller, Rita Katz, Orly Taitz.

You are right American society is uber racist, afro american society that is. Afro americans are probably the most racist people on the planet without exception; and are constantly obsessed with race, while the rest of us just want to be left in peace to struggle with our own lives. Why deny reality (reality is what has occurred, not make believe).

“Looked at one way, Obama is admirable: He is loyal to his race, however badly they behave.”

Since his mother was white, I suppose you mean he is loyal to his white folk race; however badly they behave.

“American society is not racist”

Bullshit, American society is uber, double-plus, racist. Just read some of these posts. The souciest racist bash was “head nigger”.

“I get that in your arguments a single example (e.g. the Pioneer Fund) validates your position while your opponents’ arguments are invalidated by a single counterexample”.

Strawman much? I merely noted that “race realist theorists” have access to a group to fund their research. I did not invalidate any counter positions.

I think anyone who reads your posts can decide for themselves whether or not my statement is accurate. In my opinion it calls out a pervasive theme in your writing.

“Fascinating that you consider Watson backtracking from accurate comments in an effort to salvage his reputation as a positive.”

If his comments were indeed “accurate”, he would not have been compelled to backtrack, but rather be steadfast in his beliefs.

Thanks for making clear how sincere you are in this “conversation.” That’s my cue to stop wasting my time. Happy posting.

Let’s get one thing straight.

BLM isn’t really about white cops killing innocent blacks.

Indeed, instances of white cops killing blacks is no worse now than in the past.

It’s just that blacks got desperate over the years as they were being crowded out by homos, massive immigration, gentrification, mass incarceration, increased racial profiling(in NY esp), and New Liberalism that favors the 1% over everyone else.

With Obama winning presidency, many blacks thought ‘we got it made’. But Obama’s presidency, while tossing some crumbs at blacks, has been mostly about Wars for Israel(against Russia, Libya, Syria, etc), homomania, white/Jewish/Asian yuppie gentrification, mass immigration(mostly of Mexicans, Asians, and Muslims), bailouts for Wall Street, and etc.

Blacks are especially pissed because all of this happened when US has come under the dominance of Democrats. When the very people who say the most flowery things about blacks actually push policies that do little for blacks(or even hurt blacks), blacks are awful frustrated.

But black rage has been muffled because most blacks are Democrats and because the Democratic Party(that dominates all big cities) is supposed to be watching their backs.

Blacks needed some convenient excuse to vent their spleen, and it was the Narrative of white cops killing innocent blacks.

But when we see the trajectory of BLM, there is something more happening. If blacks are indeed angry about white police violence, why don’t they target the specific police departments where it happened? Why do they march in every city, especially those dominated by white/Jewish/homo Liberals?
White cops are just scapegoats in all this. They are useful scapegoats by both BLM and white/Jewish/homo Liberal Establishment. This is really a struggle between blacks and white/Jewish/homo urban Liberals(who supported increased policing to make cities livable again). Blacks are really angry at urban Liberals but can’t say so cuz they are both Democrats. Urban Liberals are really afraid of blacks but can’t say so cuz they are both Democrats. So, blacks pretend they are marching against police brutality, and urban Liberals play along since the alternative — black rage at Urban Liberal elites — would be more frightening.

One has to proclaim Obama a failure – in his eight years he has accomplished nothing of long-term consequence. This is too bad for him and for America.

He walked into two big problems – the Middle East and the economy. He did the wrong thing with both.

With hindsight, clearly he got out of Iraq to soon – ISIS came about on his watch – he is responsibility.

On the economy he had a chance to kill the too big to fail banks – but he listened to big money – he listened to big donations – he went political.

Obamacare – is a failure – left, middle, and right do not like it. Everyone wants it changed.

He did it to himself – he was the most partisan political president in 60 years. From day one, he was political campaigning. He is still campaigning today. He never felt the idealness of America – the sense of an imperfect nation on a path to something better. He wanted to crush the bad – he was unwilling to work with others to slowly build consensus for lasting change. He was not with the ideal – We the People.

p.s. 40 – 45 – 50 is too young to be president – one has just not lived long enough at those ages – at that age one has not gained the wisdom needed to see the big picture.

Diversity = Truth… NOT!!

http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-france-suppressed-news-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/

“Silenced Majority,” I like that.

“I did. The part you quoted appears in my blockquote above.”

Which I properly focused on one part of your quotation that lacked context and offered the relevant background information, considering the gist of this post focuses on “race reality”.

“Ironic you criticize me for omitting context when you equate “corporations and government” in your citation to “Individual benefactors and corporations, regardless of political stripe” in your earlier post.”

There is no irony here, only disconnect on your part.

“I get that in your arguments a single example (e.g. the Pioneer Fund) validates your position while your opponents’ arguments are invalidated by a single counterexample”.

Strawman much? I merely noted that “race realist theorists” have access to a group to fund their research. I did not invalidate any counter positions.

““Individual benefactors and corporations, regardless of political stripe” which was a half truth at best?”

‘Tis entirely true to state that all groups have the opportunity to receive funding for their research endeavors through grants by the federal government. Now, whether or not they receive that grant is an entirely different matter. I thought conservatives who were fiscally responsible would promote PRIVATE funding of research endeavors rather than suck on the teat of the gummint.

“I’m curious, do you think various political stripes are equally represented in research funding?”

Well, considering that researchers and scientists are suppose to be objective and neutral, and considering that the scientific process would be compromised if they would outwardly state their political orientation, I would say that those who meet the criteria for the particular grant receive it. In theory, yes. In practice, that’s a great question. You would have to ask those who offer the grants and those who do not receive them.

““government … dominates research in social science and humanities”

Yes, the “soft sciences”, which has been under tons of scrutiny as of late for replication failures.

“but perhaps you might try looking at shades of gray (or relative proportions of things in society) occasionally.”

You mean like “race realist theorists”, for example. Take Jay-Man, who makes his own interpretations of the results of any study regarding the 2-repeat allele of the MAOA gene, even though geneticists take heed to the number of limitations that need to be addressed in replication studies. First, the measures of psychopathic personality traits, ever arrested, and ever incarcerated were based on self reports, not official data. Although self-reports have been shown to be reliable and valid instruments for assessing antisocial phenotypes (Krueger et al., 1994; Sutton, 2010), it is possible that official crime data would have produced differing results. Second, the measures of criminal justice outcomes did not delineate between different types of offenders, such as violent predatory offenders versus non-violent property offenders. Perhaps the 2-repeat allele would have varying effects on different subcategories of offenders. Third, the sample analyzed in the current study is the same as the one analyzed in Guo et al.’s (2008) study. While some studies examined different outcome measures and focused only on African-American males, it is important that future studies estimate the association between the 2-repeat allele and antisocial phenotypes in other samples. Last, although the frequency of the 2-repeat allele is similar to prior research, only about 5% of the final analytical sample carried the 2-repeat allele. Future research needs to examine much larger samples in order to include more 2-repeat allele carriers. Until these limitations are addressed, it would be premature to hypothesize how the 2-repeat allele may impact criminal activity patterns in society.

“Fascinating that you consider Watson backtracking from accurate comments in an effort to salvage his reputation as a positive.”

If his comments were indeed “accurate”, he would not have been compelled to backtrack, but rather be steadfast in his beliefs.

“Any time I want to understand what the MSM means by “have a conversation” I just have a “conversation” with you.”

You’ll learn a lot more by me if you pay closer attention.

“P.P.S. Sincere thanks to another fred…”

Get a room, for Pete’s sake.

Prove who wrong? And to what end?

Your talk may be cheap, but prove that mine is.

I dated an Indian chick in college and hung out with the Venezuela crew for a while.

I was shocked at how completely racist people of color are.

All of this RIC is simply a projection of colored’s vapid racism onto whites, who haven’t been racist since the 60’s and the brainwashing that followed.

And finally Mr. Fitton:

If “gravity” is credited with being a force strong enough to hold the world’s oceans, buildings, people and atmosphere stuck to the surface of a rapidly spinning ball, then it is impossible for “gravity” to also simultaneously be weak enough to allow little birds, bugs, and planes to take-off and travel freely unabated in any direction.

If “gravity” is credited with being a force strong enough to curve the massive expanse of oceans around a globular Earth, it would be impossible for fish and other creatures to swim through such forcefully held water.

Ship captains in navigating great distances at sea never need to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their calculations. Both Plane Sailing and Great Circle Sailing, the most popular navigation methods, use plane, not spherical trigonometry, making all mathematical calculations on the assumption that the Earth is perfectly flat. If the Earth were in fact a sphere, such an errant assumption would lead to constant glaring inaccuracies. Plane Sailing has worked perfectly fine in both theory and practice for thousands of years, however, and plane trigonometry has time and again proven more accurate than spherical trigonometry in determining distances across the oceans.

for further information, 200 proofs the earth is not a spinning ball, pfd

I am not joking, I am awaking!

If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level.

Rivers run down to sea-level finding the easiest course, North, South, East, West and all other intermediary directions over the Earth at the same time. If Earth were truly a spinning ball then many of these rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill, for example the Mississippi in its 3000 miles would have to ascend 11 miles before reaching the Gulf of Mexico.

If the Earth were truly a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference, airplane pilots would have to constantly correct their altitudes downwards so as to not fly straight off into “outer space;” a pilot wishing to simply maintain their altitude at a typical cruising speed of 500 mph, would have to constantly dip their nose downwards and descend 2,777 feet (over half a mile) every minute! Otherwise, without compensation, in one hour’s time the pilot would find themselves 31.5 miles higher than expected.

If the Earth were truly constantly spinning Eastwards at over 1000mph, helicopters and hot-air balloons should be able to simply hover over the surface of the Earth and wait for their destinations to come to them!

If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph, then the average commercial airliner traveling 500mph should never be able to reach its Eastward destinations before they come speeding up from behind! Likewise Westward destinations should be arrived at thrice the speed, but this is not the case.

If Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000mph then North/South facing cannons should establish a control while East-firing cannonballs should fall significantly farther than all others while West-firing cannonballs should fall significantly closer. In actual fact, however, regardless of which direction cannons are fired, the distance covered is always the same

earth is flat, and not spinning! period. WAKE UP SHEEPLY

Sir.

I noticed you did not investigated my point. And believe the fallacy that the earth is a globe. It is impossible! actually because:

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

The Suez Canal connecting the Mediterranean with the Red Sea is 100 miles long without any locks making the water an uninterrupted continuation of the two seas. When constructed, the Earth’s supposed curvature was not taken into account, it was dug along a horizontal datum line 26 feet below sea-level, passing through several lakes from one sea to the other, with the datum line and water’s surface running perfectly parallel over the 100 miles.

you can always read:
Rivers run down to sea-level finding the easiest course, North, South, East, West and all other intermediary directions over the Earth at the same time. If Earth were truly a spinning ball then many of these rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill, for example the Mississippi in its 3000 miles would have to ascend 11 miles before reaching the Gulf of Mexico.

THE EARTH IF FLAT! PERIOD

You have keen observations. And I am sure like me you rather not be right. We would rather afro americans behave like the rest of us and just struggle to live their lives like the rest of us – – but thats not happening.
Instead we get a de facto warfare declared on the rest of us by the afros; and all the Leftist, Anarcho Capitalist , and the elites offer as a solution is to blame the police more; and tell the rest of us that its our imagination that afros are the cause of all this death and destruction. The elites solution (mostly academics and journalist) is that its pay back time for afros americans for the next 400 years, so get used to it and to shut up & pay up, and all be willing victims.

NeoLiberal CIA affiliated ”Manchurian”/Indonesian (instant fame from 60Minutes TV show): Barack Hussein Obummer, Isn’t subtle enough to make ”Dog Whistles”. He wouldn’t need to be subtle, so messaging to those he aim’s at, would better be rather plain and easily understood, like… dropping consonants, and laying in certain vocal intonations heard in black districts, churches in particular, little veneer touches for the gullible.

Obummer doesn’t share the same outlook as American Black people, because he isn’t one of them. He is an exotic hybrid of African origins, no Slave background, not a drop of the legacy of blood in common with the Blacks who were sold and shipped to American plantations 400 years ago, by the Africans, who may have had slaves to sell!

To say that again, Slaves were owned in Africa, and were sold by African Slave Owners! Probably sold off the ones they didn’t want, or got a good price on.

In other words: Obummer might very well self identify with an elite group that is seldom ever talked about. The black slavers that sold their fellow africans.

But, since the story must adhere to the accepted myths, American Blacks are in a predicament, where they must continue to take what they are offered, and that means to pretend they support a pretend First black President, or be ostracized to boot.

Dog Whistling in the Dark…? Did anybody hear anything?

I have no opinion on whether you are stupid. Ignorant, definitely. Invading brown countries was something the US did a hundred years ago and more. You know, back when they were rich and worth invading. Maybe we’re currently working ourselves up to invade Venezuela, but I kind of doubt it. Black countries? Nobody invades black countries, except other black countries. What would be the point? Well, maybe the French do a half-hearted invasion every now and again. We dabbled in yellow countries in the 20th C. But, all in all, it’s white countries we tend to lay waste to. We seem to especially enjoy invading countries with Christian minorities, so that those minorities can be genocided.

Of course we can agree on that.

That only occurred /occurs in NYC?

You need to get out more often.