Don’t forget the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons too – I’ve met them in Costa Rica (not to mention everywhere in Arizona). I think that they’re the ‘Extra Curricular’ of Christianity? 🙂

🙂

Nondenominationalism is the participation trophy of Christianity.

And actually a lot of hispanics are becoming pentecostals instead…the Special Olympics of Christianity.

I agree with you to a point. When they gather together and celebrate a child’s birthday or christening (or New years or Christmas) their parties can drag on a bit late and can be loud, but who doesn’t like Tejano music after a couple of beers or a tequila? They’re very hospitable and like to party – clean-up the next day goes on right on schedule?…Many of them are giving up papacy for the ‘non-denominationalism’ that’s growing by leaps and bounds in the states. Their Catholicism is traditional and doesn’t include any weird ‘take-over the world’ conspiracy theories (as far as I know). 🙂

Latin American culture is fun, but not exactly impressive

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Check out the Museum Anthropologia in Mexico City sometime – quite impressive!

I’m a jazz devotee and can tell you unequivocally that their artists fill the ranks of the best and brightest either as composers or as players.

Latin American culture is fun, but not exactly impressive. Then there’s the fact that hispanics are extremely loud, litter a lot, and worst of all–papist.

Sounds like you have a derogatory view of Hispanic culture? Why? It’s really quite an interesting culture. Some of the greatest musicians and possibly painters in the 20th century are of Hispanic origin. Writers too, I am told. Of course I’m widening my horizon to South America too (these Mestizo cultures are all rather related). At the folk level, it’s hard to beat a good Mariachi band, and when it comes to pure Indian culture, just visit the Museum Antropologia in Mexico City for some real jaw dropping world cultural artifacts.

Your population living near the border would also get a free radiation hormesis treatment

Not dramatically. His thesis about their criminality, or rather lack thereof, is broadly correct. Functionally hispanics are shorter, uglier, and duller versions of the white working class.

The problems caused by hispanics are political, cultural, and aesthetic. These problems, other than the aesthetic one, aren’t dramatic and can be solved. And the aesthetic one isn’t something someone with Ron Unz’s temperament would consider a valid political issue.

I actually kind of like the idea of using one of those small bazooka-type nukes on a caravan or a flotilla. Not without warning – of course! But what has better signalling value than nukes? It strikes me as a good use of manpower.

So how exactly do your views about Hispanics actually diverge from Ron Unz’s?

They obviously don’t hate us because we (or many of us anyway) think hispanics are more criminal than they actually are. Ron Unz (and Fred Reed) is simply frustrated about this issue, having looked into it deeply.

If the alt right had a straight Unz-Reed party line on hispanics, we’d still have the exact same problem with Silicon Valley (though perhaps we’d make some inroads with hispanics themselves, especially Tejans).

As an example they think it’s terribly evil that Breitbart once had a section devoted to “black crime”, a major problem which is empirically verifiable and something which nearly all people know to be true.

See this pearl clutching Buzzfeed piece from 2015 for instance: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/here-are-some-of-the-most-controversial-stories-published-by

Note that not a single example is even about hispanics. As Steve Sailer often points out, people are generally bored by hispanics. The alt right got hispanics partially wrong probably because Americans are so used to dealing with blacks. This made it easy to assume that another inferior race is equally troublesome, which is simply not the case.

This probably has to do with some of Unz’s own personal frustrations. He himself is now excluded from polite society (whereas he was once viewed as a potential future Governor or Senator), and perhaps he thinks that if only we on the alt right believed the same things he did about hispanics then he would once again be welcome and people would start wondering if the Holocaust really happened as we were told.

Dream on Ron LOL

I understood your reply, and was really wondering why that you think that his views about Silicon Valley vis-a-vis Hispanics is wrongly used to censure right-altists?

I didn’t say he’s wrong about hispanics.

I said he’s wrong about this being the reason that Silicon Valley censors us.

His POV is that the alt right is incorrect about hispanics, and that this is the reason Silicon Valley is censoring us. His view (on the latter) is complete nonsense, and he’s simply projecting his own expertise about hispanics onto Silicon Valley.

Why do you find his views about Hispanics, which you identify as an ‘expertise’ to be wrong? He’s made some valid points reviewing and knocking down Hispanic crime statistics in California, I remember reading in some of his earlier pieces..

Ron Unz didn’t really point that out. His POV is that the alt right is incorrect about hispanics, and that this is the reason Silicon Valley is censoring us. His view (on the latter) is complete nonsense, and he’s simply projecting his own expertise about hispanics onto Silicon Valley. This is easy to discover simply by looking at the situation in Europe, where the same sort of censorship is applied but referencing the objectively much worse Mohammedans.

A good example of where alt right “views” should be taken with a grain of salt is Andrew Anglin’s Daily Stormer.

Well, since so many alt right views have to be taken with a grain of salt, as Ron Unz points out, perhaps in the future when you’re offering a cynical reply, you may want to add a smiley face or something that might identify it as so (for those of us that are a wee bit slow). Merry Christmas! 🙂

Are you now German_reader? Do you think that comment was a serious policy suggestion?

It would be appropriate to apply such measures…if they were absolutely necessary. But they’d only be absolutely necessary if the “immigrants” were wearing uniforms and carrying weapons. You know, like how Russians “emigrated” to the Crimea in 2014.

Obviously immigration control is a law enforcement mission, not a military one. Perhaps some paramilitary elements–e.g. in Europe it would be appropriate to sink the boats. It’s not even worth shooting the coyotes, because you’re better off capturing them to get intelligence. That requires small arms and explosives, but not exactly Eurofighter Typhoons and Type 212 U-boats.

The only role of the military in immigration policy is when the home countries of illegal aliens refuse to take back their nationals. And even in that case there are many policy levers that can be used prior to threatening said countries with military force.

What was I thinking? That the idea of attacking orc hordes with nuclear weapons is inherently funny.

After reading this comment of yours, I couldn’t help thinking about Ron Unz’ latest admonition to his fellow alt righters, when he goes on and dissects some pretty lame ideas put out there as being ‘nonsense…ridiculous…crazy’. I mean really, what were you thinking? Are we to drop a nuclear bomb on an encampment (a small one, at least) of gypsys outside the gates of Vienna? Europe nor the US didn’t always have such disastrous immigration laws as today blighting the landscape. Getting back to reasonable laws and the enforcement of such shouldn’t be an impossible task? How about just a good old fashioned cost/risk analysis of current immigation policy to start with? Sure beats dropping nuclear weapons or even sentencing lobbyists to ‘death sentences’?

This is behind the “slave law” to increase overtime for the benefit of the foreign companies.

…powerful forces within Western countries want this migration to happen.

There are the business-cheap labor forces, the parasites among legal profession/social sector/NGO’s, the ethnic and religious lobbies, and the elderly lonely ladies who are just that way – quite a coalition. They will never stop on their own.

I am skeptical about the proposed solutions:

abolish the right to asylum, stop welfare payments to illegal immigrants and make transfer of remittances to home countries harder

It would make it slightly better, but not by much. Asylum is obviously a joke and yet without actual consequences (forced removals), changing laws wouldn’t do much. Welfare comes in many forms, e.g. free education, medical care and housing (even in ‘camps’) is hard to stop. There is also a nugget of truth in liberal claim that without welfare the migrants would turn even more to crime.

This is not easy – the people who have done this for the last few decades should be held responsible.

The Economist has been really pushing the need for Hungary to import migrants to fill their labour shortages recently (particularly for foreign owned companies).

Of course, training and material support for the border forces of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia etc. would be a good idea. They also need to be forced though to take back their own citizens which are illegally in Europe.

Your measures also wouldn’t eliminate the problem of immigration for work.

The best solution imo would be a few show trials for pro-immigration business lobbyists, ending in death sentences.
That’s unlikely of course, but there are many possible regulations to restrict the access of undesirable foreigners to the labor market. This too is merely a question of political will; unfortunately the trend in Germany is pointing the opposite way now (with new immigration laws set to increase non-European immigration because of an alleged shortage in skilled workers, elimination of preferences for EU citizens, and plenty of easily exploitable loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to regularize their status).

It seems to me that it might be prudent to take some measures beyond our countries itself.

For instance, it hardly benefits Europe if North Africa becomes overrun by black African migrants. Likewise the United States doesn’t benefit if Mexico becomes destabilized by Central American migrants (overrun less likely in this case admittedly).

Berlusconi already pioneered a policy of paying Libya to prevent an influx of blacks into Italy. But as soon as Italy collapsed, many of the blacks already in Libya (whom Gaddafi invited for foreign policy reasons I don’t entirely understand) rushed into Europe.

North African countries have fewer resources and organizational capacity than Europe. It would probably be a good idea to assist them in the development and organization of frontier fortifications and border police.

Similarly in the American context I’ve suggested before that assisting Mexico in constructing a wall on its southern border is a good idea (and would apparently be popular in Mexico itself to judge by the attacks on the “caravan” in Tijuana). It’s less of a priority of course since Mexico has almost three times Central America’s population and its frontier with Central America is narrow.

Your measures also wouldn’t eliminate the problem of immigration for work. Poland is set to start importing Filipino “guest” workers soon for instance.

It would already go far to abolish the right to asylum, stop welfare payments to illegal immigrants and make transfer of remittances to home countries harder. Instead of facilitating mass immigration at every level and even signing a monstrosity as this UN global compact for migration, which is what Western elites actually are doing.
It’s not like there is some unstoppable invasion that could only be stopped by machine-gunning the advancing colored hordes, sinking their boats etc. The fundamental problem is that powerful forces within Western countries want this migration to happen.

…The military can attack migrants with machine guns, artillery, flamethrowers, tanks, bombs, rockets, and also nuclear weapons.

Preferably while they are still in their home countries. Once close up, or even actually in the Western cities, it is more tricky – there would be too many phone videos.

Another simple solution would be to cut-off the medical-technological aid to the places that are trying to flood the West with surplus migrants – kind of the exact opposite of the insane Gates foundation ‘humanitarian‘ initiatives. And then just wait.

But I suspect aging spinsters and their low-testosterone boy-toys would riot and bore us to death with deeply-felt speechifying (insert Macron with his wife for a proper visual…).

The military can attack migrants with machine guns, artillery, flamethrowers, tanks, bombs, rockets, and also nuclear weapons. Their construction capabilities are also ideal for building field fortifications that carefully funnel migrants into kill zones where they can be quickly obliterated with heavy weaponry.

Seems very useful to me.

…Will you stop a wave of migrants with military?

All you need is a competent police force. Military doesn’t help much with migrants, other than they can build fences, etc… Migrants are a law-enforcement problem.

We have in (Cz-S) around 2% gypsy population, about half a fully integrated. They are not massive, you barely see them in the main cities, they are also not growing due to the wonderful escape valve to UK, Belgium – they are way overrepresented among the welfare migrants who take advantage of EU.

You are unwilling to accept that Ukraine is a mess and that a lot of that mess is self-inflicted. You are also unwilling to accept that others may not share the fanatical anti-Russia paranoia of so many in Poland-Ukraine. Look at Cz-S-Hungarian policies and public opinion – it is nothing like Poland, it is largely neutral between Kiev and Moscow. And there is zero interest in joining some war against the ‘Russkies’. Sort out your own mess, and V4 is for Central Europe, Ukraine is an eastern, Orthodox country (and so is Romania). I see that you want in, but you don’t belong there.

Finally, I have no idea what a ‘sovok’ is, way before my time, and in other cultures.

…..that’s not even taking into count the fact that there are more Poles in UK prisons then there are Indians or Pakistanis , even though those numbers must thoroughly outweigh those of Poles in Britain…..whose contribution to human traffiking and drugs and other things is significant

Not true at all. 9% of the foreign born prison population (which is itself 11% of the total) are Poles, whereas 8% of the total population are Asian (meaning Indian/Pakistani/Bengali).

Such unresolved angst…I would suggest that you up your ante of stoli and then go sleep it off. 🙁

Poland’s divorce rate of 33%

Absymally high for a supposedly Catholic country you idiot

Poland has almost zero abortions. 42% of Poles attend church weekly – higher than in any other European place

candidates for Saints over the years?…practically nil………as for abortions, one of the worst birth rates in Europe you idiot, Catholic families supposed to not use contraception, but very low number of kids per polish family

…..that’s not even taking into count the fact that there are more Poles in UK prisons then there are Indians or Pakistanis , even though those numbers must thoroughly outweigh those of Poles in Britain…..whose contribution to human traffiking and drugs and other things is significant

After receiving the very coveted EU economic Associate Agreement status, I really don’t understand what else Ukraine seeks to gain from becoming a full blown member state?

Exposing yourself as a ftypical emigrant North American fucktard with no interest in Ukraine other then destroying it as part of some anti-Russian project.

Does your BS about the EU AA even make sense you dumb idiot?

Even still, not one single East European country has ever applied for membership into any Russian led economic union, military alliance, etc; but on the contrary have all applied for EU or NATO membership. I wonder why this is so, Mr. Smart guy? These countries must all be living under false pretenses and only somebody like yourself sees the bright light of the future?

errr….Belarus you dumb fucktard, those other eastern european countries also applied for membership of those those EU/NATO organisations before 2004, when not in dispute that the security and living standards were much better in all the European Union than in Russia you dumb fuck. As Ukraine was the fastest growing economy in Europe in 2004 , due entirely to the remergence of Russia…they then fuckedup ( well their corrupt American paid elites did) as the Orange Revolution was a farce that should never have happened as Yanukovich won that fairly you idiot.

Tangible results under the Presidency of VVP didn’t start to be felt until 2003-2004 you tramp

Divorce rate of 33% is sky high and it’s higher than Italy’s. To say Poland has almost zero abortions is absurd, they’re just done in neighbouring countries, though this is just speculation. Just 37% of Poles attend the church and it’s falling down.

You conveniently avoided the issue of contraception, casual sex and pornographization. You have left out the most important issues, so that it fits your nonsense about V4 being “conservative”.

Europe isn’t conservative and LGBT movement is exaggerated, while in reality it’s really a loud extremity. Being against LGBT doesn’t make you a conservative. What makes you a conservative is the approach to so called traditional morality. Most of muslims in Western Europe are more conservative than V4.

Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia are more or less known porn producers as well.

Be sure to check out ‘Stockholm Sweetenin’ next. Connie spends some time back in her ancestral homeland. All of the tunes are A1, but especially check out her rendition of ‘Besame Mucho’, really beautiful……..

Yeah, imagine posting comments to a thread that deals with Kholmogorov and Russian nationalism something about Ukraine? Utterly bizzare! And when I veer away from the exact topic at hand, and produce a photo of a beautiful musical talent from Minnesota of Scandinavian descent…I get nothing!
You guys must all be asleep at the wheel, especially Thorfinnsson, who BTW seems to be involved in some Hackitis of his own too, see #147). Here, I’ll try to wake you deadbeats up again:

I don’t see the Ukraine getting anywhere with its “ambitions” as things stand today.

But give it time.

It’s possible that five years from now the Ukraine will have gotten over Russia and will have a nicely developing economy.

Biggest problem is that the Ukraine does not appear to be willing to part with the Crimea or the Donets Basin. It’s not possible to recover these territories, and in any case it would not be desirable to recover them as their Russian-majority populations would simply once again weaken and divide the Ukrainian state.

Second biggest problem is current leadership, which is to put it mildly a total joke.

Russia has clearly shown that it’s not going to invade the Ukraine barring the USA doing something crazy, which is not in the cards as long as Trump is President.

Some sort of durable political settlement with Russia might not be possible as long as Putin is in power…or as long as the USA remains an important power in Europe.

Tarnation. Hack’s Law never fails.

…very coveted EU economic Associate Agreement status

What? What has that done for Ukraine?

Given the country’s West the best economy it has ever had.

We don’t want to have a war, so we really don’t care about the ‘military’! That’s the whole point, and you don’t seem to be getting it.

No one wants a war, but if you cannot provide a credible defense than you have no choice but to do what you are told. What do you think the Germans will want you do to and can you say no if you have zero military? Will you stop a wave of migrants with military? Etc. They will be a nice addition to your massive and growing gypsy population.

How did the 20th century work out for you, with no military deterrent? Without at least Poland you are helpless victims.

Let me put it bluntly: Poland and today’s Ukraine are on a path to war with Russia.

It will be Russia’s choice if it wants to invade. The best deterrent is a strong potential response. So it is good that Poland and Ukraine are building such a deterrent.

We want no part of that,

“We” – you mean Slovak Sovoks like you? Are there many of you?

There is a zero chance that Ukraine as it is today would be welcomed by us.

Ukraine as it is today needs to fix its corruption and economy before it can join V4. But this should be the strategic goal.

To say that countries of V4 have conservative values is absurd. There are no conservative countries anymore.

To have a conservative country you must have: high religiosity, opposition to divorces, contraception, abortion, casual sex, eroticization of public space, pornography, LGBT movement.

Czech Republic is rather liberal. OTOH, Poland’s divorce rate of 33% and Slovakia’s of 31% are a lot lower than that of western Europe. Poland has almost zero abortions. 42% of Poles attend church weekly – higher than in any other European place (America is 2nd place with 36% weekly attendance).

…very coveted EU economic Associate Agreement status

What? What has that done for Ukraine? You are really into symbols not reality. US will do nothing for Ukraine, it will push it towards a war, it will push towards a break with Russia, but when the chips are down, it will do nothing. And do you know why? Because it is not in a position to do anything meaningful in that geography. You are fooling yourself.

V4 s for EU members, it is a peaceful grouping (in spite of our friends in Poland), it will not engage with the mess that is today in Ukraine. You should hear what people say here about the situation in Ukraine, it is pretty damning for Kiev. Have your war, lose it, we don’t care…

…Czechoslovakia plus Hungary, small helpless countries with no militaries

We don’t want to have a war, so we really don’t care about the ‘military’! That’s the whole point, and you don’t seem to be getting it.

Let me put it bluntly: Poland and today’s Ukraine are on a path to war with Russia. We want no part of that, it is the stupidest idea so far in the 21st century. You can argue all you want that you don’t want ‘a war’, or that it won’t happen because blabla… it looks to any rational observer that Poland and Ukraine (and the Baltic states) are inevitably sliding towards a war with Russia. Placing missiles from far away allies on your territory, endless demonization and propaganda, talking sh..t, issuing ultimatums – that’s how wars start.

With all due respect, the sane ones among us don’t want any part of that. Have your war (again), watch the destruction, feel sorry for yourself, blame first the demonic ‘enemy’, then slowly admit that your own leaders were also not that great. Watch your ‘allies’ use your for their lazy strategic moves, watch them sacrifice you. I would rather have V4 with normal people. There is a zero chance that Ukraine as it is today would be welcomed by us.

To say that countries of V4 have conservative values is absurd. There are no conservative countries anymore.

To have a conservative country you must have: high religiosity, opposition to divorces, contraception, abortion, casual sex, eroticization of public space, pornography, LGBT movement.

90% of the things I mentioned don’t exist in V4 on a deeper, which means genuine and real, level. V4 is at core as decadent as the West, only without loud fringe phenomena like the LGBT movement. But the core decadence exists and is developing

Is that stable in your mind? Do you really think they have Kiev’s back?

Of course they don’t, and this is why Ukraine doesn’t really look towards Europe for its protection, but rather more towards the US (which has really stepped up its support for Ukraine over the last two years). After receiving the very coveted EU economic Associate Agreement status, I really don’t understand what else Ukraine seeks to gain from becoming a full blown member state? But inclusion into an expanded V-4 group makes more and more sense to me, especially after reading AP’s glowing assessments for such a union.

Mush, Egor; good mush, but still mush.

Each comes with some serious issues: Ukraine is dysfunctional and chaotic, Romania is – how to say it politely? – well, very ‘Romanian’, and with the Baltics one inherits their absurd linguistic apartheid against Russians, who needs it?

And they come with advantages – you will now have a Bloc of countries with 99% European populations and generally conservative values with more people than any European country, something like France + Germany. And a lot of strategic depth.

A better way to expand V4 core European area would be to add Austria (I know, tricky), Croatia, Slovenia and the salvageable parts of Germany (east…). Those countries also have more functional economies.

I should have added Croatia and Slovenia to the list. Austria is indeed tricky.

Lviv is just one city in a large country, Ukraine comes with a lot more baggage and costs than benefits

Currently, yes. The long-term goal should be to convince and help the Ukrainians to fix those problems because a decent Ukraine joining V4 makes V4 much stronger and much more capable of operating independently. Jettisoning Donbas which was the most dysfunctional part, and losing Crimea which is not even Ukrainian ethnically, were good first steps ironically made by the Russians.

Plus, there seems to be a bizarre multicultural Ukrainian angle with all the ‘suffering Tatars’, Afghani Maidanistas, and the current leadership

Tatars are secular and in 2001 (including Crimea) were .5% of the population. So they are less now. There was a single journalist of Afghani descent heavily involved in Maidan. There is much more of a gypsy problem in V4 than an Islam problem in Ukraine. Actually Ukraine would help dilute V4’s serious gypsy problem.

Poland and its obsessive politics and emotional history are the Achilles heel of V4. Yes, there are a lot of Poles, but V4 without Poland might be better.

Poland is the core of V4. Without Poland you have Czechoslovakia plus Hungary, small helpless countries with no militaries and small economies bound to be totally dependent on their larger neighbors. How did the 1930s-1940s work out for this region? With Poland you at least have something the size of France. With Ukraine, the Baltics, Romania, Croatia, Slovenia you have a true regional power. The long-term strategic goal should be the incorporation of these regions into an expanded V4 that would be a large European homeland.

Add the Baltics, and Ukraine, and Romania and you have 70 million more people

Each comes with some serious issues: Ukraine is dysfunctional and chaotic, Romania is – how to say it politely? – well, very ‘Romanian’, and with the Baltics one inherits their absurd linguistic apartheid against Russians, who needs it?

A better way to expand V4 core European area would be to add Austria (I know, tricky), Croatia, Slovenia and the salvageable parts of Germany (east…). Those countries also have more functional economies.

Lviv is just one city in a large country, Ukraine comes with a lot more baggage and costs than benefits. They are simply too poor to fit into V4. Plus, there seems to be a bizarre multicultural Ukrainian angle with all the ‘suffering Tatars’, Afghani Maidanistas, and the current leadership. V4 with Ukraine would be poorer, less European, and more random, it would lose its cache.

Poland is by far the largest and most important of the V4 countries.

Poland and its obsessive politics and emotional history are the Achilles heel of V4. Yes, there are a lot of Poles, but V4 without Poland might be better. When Poles start marching eastward (again) to do one of their occasional poetry-filled suicide wars, we can get them out of V4 and replace them with Slovenia. Smaller, but with some common sense…

And it is Ukraine that wants into EU and V4 clubs, we don’t care.

Poland has consistently supported Ukraine’s aspirations. It is by far the largest and most important of the V4 countries.

V4 with 65 million people and fast growing economy, is 99% European in the most traditional sense

65 million is only that of a middling European country. Add the Baltics, and Ukraine, and Romania and you have 70 million more people, something more viable.

It is peaceful, with very low crime, excellent universities, great outdoors and walkable cities. It has some of the best infrastructure in the world, from subways to plumbing. It is a day and night in comparison to Ukraine

Lviv is dirt cheap but its appearance and quality are comparable to that of Visegrad cities. Poles who visit say it’s like a Polish city from 10 years ago. When have you been to Ukraine?

It is the largest compact and prospering white area left in the world. Let’s keep it that way.

Best way to keep it that way is to make it larger and more populated.

Here is Islamic percentage in Europe:

…Ukraine’s moves seem to be approved if not sanctioned by Washington

Sure. But it is a long way from Washington to the conference table where decisions on EU and V4 are actually made. Ask Turks about how much good did ‘approval’ from Washington (and London) do when they tried getting into EU. They will be never be allowed in, no matter what NY Times editorials say. Or ask Kosovo. Veto power is not much help when you try to get people to do something.

Plus, Washington really doesn’t care if the sweets are delivered as rewards. They will just shrug their shoulders and blame it on ‘nationalism‘. After all, the whole Maidan thing was about getting Russians out of Sevastopol and Nato Navy in, it failed, so why reward anyone?

There are 6-8 states who vote repeatedly for sanctions in order to ‘maintain EU unity’. Then they often fly to Moscow to apologize and plead for more business, and they publicly dis-associate themsleves from the ‘sanctions’. Is that stable in your mind? Do you really think they have Kiev’s back?

Ukraine’s moves seem to be approved if not sanctioned by Washington which still seems to have veto power over Brussels in the pyramid of power of the West. Poland’ as well as Lithuania’s moves also are sanctioned by NATO, that also seems to take its marching orders from Washington. I don’t think that Ukraine’s moves to defend its borders will in any way harm its future course of inclusion into western alliances, at least not in the near future. In case you’ve forgotten, for all of their posturing, every single country within the EU is on record for voting to sanction Russia since its unwanted incursions in 2014!

…defending its own borders from unsolicited aggression

You know that it is more complicated, so why are you using slogans instead of your mind?

I agree about the second point: wars do form nations, but they are also often very costly.

Telling others (Germans or V4) that you ‘don’t give a sh..t about what they think or want‘ is a poor way of getting their help. And it is Ukraine that wants into EU and V4 clubs, we don’t care. Enjoy the war with Russia, but you are likely to lose. And then you will knock on our doors as hundreds of thousands (millions) of more level-headed Ukrainians are already doing. What do they know, that you don’t?

…In 1335 there was a congress of the kings of Poland, Bohemia and Hungary in the summer residence of the King of Hungary in the town of Visegrád

I would add that Visegrad means ‘upper castle’ – in Slovak, so we claim it 🙂 – and only a small part of Ukraine would fit in: Subcarpathia.

V4 with 65 million people and fast growing economy, is 99% European in the most traditional sense. It is peaceful, with very low crime, excellent universities, great outdoors and walkable cities. It has some of the best infrastructure in the world, from subways to plumbing. It is a day and night in comparison to Ukraine, or even to many Western cities that have been overrun by liberal fantasies.

It is the largest compact and prospering white area left in the world. Let’s keep it that way. Mr. Hack can have his wars with Russia or whoever without us.

Stay in Budweiser – the local girls would beat the crap out of a wimp like you! 🙂

V4 means Visegrád 4.

In 1335 there was a congress of the kings of Poland, Bohemia and Hungary in the summer residence of the King of Hungary in the town of Visegrád, where they concluded a number of treaties and alliances against each other’s enemies.

In 1991 the three countries (now Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary) decided to cooperate once again, which was started by a meeting once again in the town of Visegrád. After Czechoslovakia separated into Czechia and Slovakia, this group became the V4.

I disagree with most of Mr. Hack’s opinions, but this is just blatantly provoking him.

After reading your posts I’ve decided to visit Ukraine in the summer.
But I hate seeing poor people walking the streets and goblin faced babushkas getting in the way. Is Ukraine better than shithole country like Latvia, Georgia and below mediocre Estonia? Would it be easy to score an escort girl there? Many thanks!

Apparently that Relotius’ guy was uncovered because his last story was so extreme it aroused the suspicions of a colleague who then checked the sources.
It’s another bizarre anti-US hit piece, about a group of middle-aged US army veterans who have allegedly set up a kind of private militia along the Arizona-Mexico border to catch illegal immigrants (and supposedly tell the journalist things like “Once we caught a youth from El Salvador, and sent him back through the desert, without shoes and water”):
http://www.spiegel.de/plus/buergerwehr-gegen-fluechtlinge-in-arizona-jaegers-grenze-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000160834460
There’s lots more of hilariously implausible stuff in this piece (also some strange English, like “battle for survive”, or a sign reading “end of country” at the border).
I suppose he got away so long with this kind of nonsense because SPIEGEL is read only by true believers nowadays.

“They’re of course trying to spin it as an isolated case” – I think it is the tip of the iceberg. A new normal.

If the revolution succeeds, what, if any difference it will make?

Has there ever been a time after the Mahdi when Sudan has been of any importance?

First and foremost, it’s defending its own borders from unsolicited aggression. Any ‘real country’ would do at least as much. Secondly, it’s giving the world notice that it’s willing to wage war in order to protect its borders and that it plans to be around for a long time to come. Ukraine has really never relied on German help in its current defense of its borders and could really give two shits whether Germany wishes to trade with Russia or not. At least for the last four years Merkel has given clear signs to Russia that Germany does not countenance Russia’s destabilizing actions in Ukraine.

OT: What is going on in Sudan? Just as Sudanese Bashir visited Syria and as first Arab leader met with Assad, by pure accident large scale protests in Sudan began.

Mass protests against rising bread prices in Sudan turned deadly with at least 8 people killed pic.twitter.com/OPsxYdoN2k

— Middle East Eye (@MiddleEastEye) December 22, 2018

Protests in Sudan spread. Chants: "We either live free, or we die like men"; "Down down with military rule"; "Revolution is the people's choice, liberty dignity and justice". Sudan is rising. https://t.co/78M1p23wcQ

— İyad el-Baghdadi | إياد البغدادي (@iyad_elbaghdadi) December 21, 2018

Last December, there was aspiring revolution in Iran that fizzled out.

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/iranomaidan/

What about Sudan? True Maidan, or flash in the pan? If the revolution succeeds, what, if any difference it will make?

V4 is a political-cultural association of 4 Central-East countries. It comes with no trade or security policies – those are EU.

Ukraine doesn’t fit for the following reasons: it is not in Central Europe, it is substantially poorer, it is Orthodox, it is chaotic. In addition 2 or 3 of V4 countries have traditionally good relations with Russia, Poland is an exception. We want to trade with Russia and have normal relations. Ukraine seems to want a war or some endless hostility and yelling at each other – we are not interested.

Kiev doesn’t understand that its warlike posture toward Russia makes integrating Ukraine into EU or V4 (or Europe in general) more difficult. They have been acting like out-of-control clowns. People may not say it openly because of ‘geopolitic’ pressures, but the irresponsibility has been noted. Nobody wants a poor, desperate, loose cannon in their club. Britain is on its way out of EU, McCain is dead, Nuland is making cookies for her husband, who is it exactly that Kiev is trying to impress with its pointless militancy?

A major component of NATO’s involvement in Afghanistan is it’s connection with Iran’s heroin epidemic that has reached plague proportions in the country since the 2010’s. The country never previously suffered from serious violent crime, but this has been changing. Probably only Baron Kaldian has been there as well, but differences on the average Tehran street to a visitor in the past ten years are striking.

Canadians revolt against crazed, bloodthirsty Trudeau regime: https://globalnews.ca/news/4783447/alberta-grassroots-group-convoy-ottawa-pipelines-oil-and-gas/

Trump must impose No Fly Zone and provide lethal aid to Alberta roughnecks!

Hey Fearless Leader, I’ve never once told you to F-off. I appreciate your democratic spirit in letting everybody here spout off whatever brand of nonsense that floats their boat. Did you know that I recently got banned from the Mad Bohemians site (after only two comments!) for posting a whataboutism?? Now if anybody needs to F-off it’s definitely him – what a paranoid looser! 🙁

Merkel would be a nightmare for anyone. And if she were physically there to wake them, had flown in, there is not a boy, let alone hardened Islamic fighter or terrorist who wouldn’t scream and reach for his bomb. You’ve got to steel yourself to seeing her face, and that takes wakefulness.

I know that you’re still working on the ‘irrational religious’ stuff’ (good for you), but didn’t I recently tell you about how you might benefit immensely by taking up residence in Minnesota (which really isn’t that different from Michigan)? I tried to entice you with descriptions of beautiful blonde Scandinavian hotties that want to settle down and start families. Minnesota is definitely the place for you. See what I mean (this kind of allure can be had in the small town of Scandia):

What’s there not to like? A snifter filled with your favorite Aquavit, pipe & slippers, and you’ve won the trifecta! Minnesota is the place for you, Thorffinsson:

Fergus Falls, where “people pray for Donald Trump on Sundays,” confirmed what we all “know.” It was a tableau of “red-neck” America — a gun-toting, intolerant, anti-immigrant and irrationally religious nation.

It really says a lot about mainstream media – not just that it has a narrative, is lazy, and nearly worse than useless – but it speaks to the people who form the bulk of it. They have a political compass and people who have one that points in that general direction might not be very good at picking up obvious lies.

And I don’t know if there are structural incentives for doing so. Does anyone get a bonus for finding falsehoods? Will they run a series on all his lies? Or now devote the same space to someone with the opposite narrative? I’m guessing the answer to all of the above is no.

It’s funny how the Minnesota lady still couldn’t resist the barb about ‘voting against their own interests’ regarding her fellow residents.

The US military budget is so high because of the salaries of soldiers and the high costs of military pensions, veterans’ healthcare (including for stupid things like PTSD), and a significant portion of US service personnel are stationed there. If you add the expensive logistics, and the useless nation building stuff like building schools, you will get that maybe 5% of the US military budget is going towards this utterly pointless war. This is not much, but more than nothing.

And it’s a low intensity conflict anyway

Yes, but that also means that it’s unlikely to really constrain America’s ability for dangerous interventions in other parts of the globe. It certainly hasn’t prevented the US from sending American troops to Ukraine (for training purposes or whatever the official story is).
Withdrawal from Afghanistan – which would be an admission of failure – would at least advance the idea that it’s not America’s responsibility (or in its power) to “fix” other countries which it doesn’t really understand.
Of course American elites are unlikely to really learn anything (they didn’t really learn anything from Vietnam, which should have been enough of a lesson).

And this buffoon drags Kennan’s name into this crap of an article.

Four Hungarians also died for nothing. Though maybe they were serving a good cause: they died to improve Hungary’s relations with the US. That was the sole goal of their mission anyway. So it wasn’t totally useless.

I don’t think I’m cynical at all, more like a realist. The war was good insofar as it tied down globalist resources and military assets. It also made it possible, at least theoretically, to deny asylum to people fleeing this budding democracy. And it’s a low intensity conflict anyway, so fortunately not that many people are dying there, though it’d of course be nice if it was possible that no one would die in this phenomenally stupid war, whose main goal is to create a high tech democratic market economy and export powerhouse similar to Japan and West Germany. It’s literally that stupid. I mean, West Germany and Japan were explicitly used both here and (even more extensively) in Iraq, another very stupid war.

Anyway, pointless evil is the essence of the empire, like the Kosovo bombing or hormone treatments for “transgender” tweens. Until the evil essence is not destroyed (i.e. until Thorfinnsson is not yet President for Life of the USA), it’s better for the Afghan War to continue.

Opinion: It’s official. We lost the Cold War. https://t.co/5Fn9LuNrvv

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) December 22, 2018

Congratulations to our Russian friends for your glorious victory!

Soviet troops are now in control of Washington.

Don’t be so cynical.
The only thing that bothers me about Afghanistan is that we’ll get even more asylum seekers from there in Europe when the Taliban are back in power. And of course it’s sad that so many Americans and their allies (including a few dozen Germans) died for essentially nothing.
But it was always a stupid project; if at all, it could have only succeeded with more radical measures (at least the Pashtuns should have been expelled from the areas of the country where they’re only a minority).
If Trump manages to end it, he’ll at least have done something positive.

V4 was formed before these countries joined the EU.

I think the Afghan withdrawal is bad news, it’s saving the Empire from itself. As far as I can see, this is a totally useless and unnecessary war, even for the empire or the globalists. As a bonus, it never was a danger to trigger ww3. It’s just a waste of money and resources and military assets, which are part of the military and its budget anyway. So it’s not good for enemies of the empire to learn that those wasted resources are now going to be used for something else – unless that something else is even more useless (which is hard to see what could be). I don’t want them to have extra resources and military assets on their hands for some other adventures, which might actually be useful for them or dangerous to trigger ww3.

Does a member state in the V-4 first need to be a member state of the EU? I was treating the two as separate entities, yet you seem to lop them in together as one organic whole? Actually, I just looked up the answer and it appears that no, membership is not incumbent in either club for belonging to the other one too. Joing the V-4 could be a rite of passage for any member state to later join the EU, possibly a good first step for Ukraine, while it gets its act together (and it has over the last few years been making good strides).

That guy got lots of prizes for his pieces, e.g. he was CNN’s “Journalist of the year” in 2014, and got the Deutsche Reporterpreis just a few weeks ago.
He seems to have fabricated a lot of his pieces, all in the service of Germany’s dominant narrative; e.g. he had an interview with the last surviving member of the anti-Nazi group Weiße Rose (many of whose members were executed in 1943), and according to him she of course warned against the AfD and made detailed references to the “Nazi” riots in Chemnitz in August (which didn’t happen, but were a fake news invention by German msm). Turns out this is a total invention, and nothing of this sort was actually said in the interview.
Also lots of truly bizarre stuff (e.g. he wrote a story about two Syrian orphans in Turkey who allegedly sometimes see Angela Merkel in their dreams at night).
They’re of course trying to spin it as an isolated case, but it’s more proof that most of German journalism fully deserves the term Lügenpresse.

OT: bizarre case from Germany

A “journalist” working for Der Spiegel wrote a bizarre, fabricated hit piece on the rural town of Fergus Falls, Minnesota as some sort of indictment of Trump’s America.

https://www.politico.eu/article/der-spiegels-first-class-faker/

https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-messed-with-the-wrong-small-town-d92f3e0e01a7

I wonder why this is so, Mr. Smart guy?

Because Russia is not taking applications.

They’ve all served their Kremlin masters

Shock, horror! A Russian intelligence agency follows Russian laws and serves the Russian government! Must be a nefarious plot of those Russians to do Russian things!

P.S. I’m sure you think the Ukrainian model is better: when a country’s intelligence agency serves Jewish capital masters.

He’s still occasionally writing comments on Unz review (also on Patrick Lang’s blog).
This is his own blog:
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/
I think he just decided that AK’s blog wasn’t worth his time (his last interactions with AK were quite vitriolic after all).

You have a real comprehension problem, or are just a lazy reader. I described two realities: Ukraine’s accession to EU will require fulfilling conditions that I listed (migrants, gays…+) – all V4 countries had to do the same thing during times that these issues were not as visible and enforced.

Russia has resources and markets and is not going away any time soon. To trade with Russia doesn’t require any ‘economic union‘ or some sort of an alliance. It requires basic normalcy, and to understand one’s self-interest and control silly ideological impulses.

This is not either-or. EU has issues, but overall it is for now beneficial for V4. If Brussels will insist on repopulating our countries with African surplus population, or insist on some nutty multicultural-Islamic-globalist collage of progressivism, we can always re-evaluate. Russia has resources and markets, one should be able to do both: trade within EU and also with Russia. That requires rationality that your black-and-white shallow world doesn’t seem to contain. Good luck with that, you are peeing into a hurricane…

I do not know. He published a book. He had his own website somewhere. I do not remember the address/name.

An expanded and more powerful V-4 group would carry more weight within the EU.

You’re ignoring that EU member states have a veto on accession. This is why masochistic Serbia has been having such a hard time.

Poland (and Hungary too) seems to be doing just fine within the EU, and always tilts to its own song. Its military alliances with the US and with NATO are just one example of this independent streak.

Oh? Just who was screeching about Nordstream and demanding that their voice would have to be heard?

And their ally USA? Blames them for a genocide they didn’t even commit to confiscate Polish property and give it (‘return it’) to foreign Jews. They are also busy promoting the poz in their country.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump-signs-holocaust-property-law-that-has-angered-poland

https://dailystormer.name/bogdanoff-jewess-american-ambassador-stages-anti-polish-provocation/

No grand bargains with any devil need to be made. The US is still the best thing going on this planet according to Guillame Durocher.

I disagree with several parts of Durocher’s essay, but it is clear that he recognises the cultural degeneracy of America, which is the salient point since America demands their vassals join them in their degeneracy.

When dealing with Martyanov

What happened to Martyanov?

This was my crown argument when dealing with Wally that he was actually to compromise and destroy the reputation of true revisionist. I am all for revisionism but I do not want to be associated with idiots.

When dealing with Martyanov I was insinuating that he actually worked for American MIC trying to create the missile gap panic so the MIC would get more money. But Martyanov wrote well and was very articulate and I am sure that some of his posts were reality based.

Everybody has a limited range. Some more than others. Some here are very mono topical and are so predictable that easily coupe replaced by relatively simple bot. Personally I am getting tired of Ukraine-Russia banter.

But anyway I was curious whether there was indeed a change in Russia’s policy towards the Holocaust denial.

The oligarchs now need to share their money with Mr. Putler, after the collision. So, you believe that Putler is worth a million or two at best? In the world, money is power and power is money. They go together hand in hand.

Even still, not one single East European country has ever applied for membership into any Russian led economic union, military alliance, etc; but on the contrary have all applied for EU or NATO membership. I wonder why this is so, Mr. Smart guy? These countries must all be living under false pretenses and only somebody like yourself sees the bright light of the future? 🙂

…whose voice would have to be heard in Brussels.

(Romania has been in EU for 10 years, it is not a candidate.) Ukraine in EU would have a 7% share of population and less than 2% share of EU’s GNP. During the ‘admission process‘ to EU a country has no power and can be asked to do almost anything. The idea that Ukraine would not be blackmailed by Brussels is very naive. It would be: migrants, gays and globalism, and if Kiev wouldn’t deliver the admission process would be put on hold.

This is a no-win situation unless EU itself changes, and that has to start in Germany-France-Italy (the big ones). V4 is weak.

Russia is a large country full of many untapped natural resources with a population that is much larger than any of it V-4 neighboring states. If you don’t understand that will eventually matter to EU businesses, you don’t understand much…Russia’s resources and consumer market dwarf V4+Ukraine (+Romania)…

The Washington Post defends ‘Faux News’. On the important issues they are all the same.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/21/he-just-refounded-isis-fox-news-bucks-trump-again-trump-is-listening-again/

And what for and why would he need the money?

To buy himself a villa? He already lives and stays in best real estate in Russia and abroad.

To buy himself a hypercar? Riiiight.

To indulge in hedonistic pleasures? Compromise himself? Does he have the time for such activities?

To leave it to his heirs?

To have a grand burial akin to kings of old that would take treasures to the grave with them?

People theoretizing about money and corruption of world leaders fail to understand that Power with capital P is infinitely better than money – he probably wouldn’t even need any income – he has Power. Over people.
Money is a proxy. Power is direct.

Just ask the (((Oligarchs))) how far did their money take them once they collided with Power.

What are you talking about? Romania has been a full member of the EU for years.

I was thinking (and writing) about the V-4.

Just like how Western Europe listens to Poland?

An expanded and more powerful V-4 group would carry more weight within the EU. Poland (and Hungary too) seems to be doing just fine within the EU, and always tilts to its own song. Its military alliances with the US and with NATO are just one example of this independent streak.

Well, maybe your faustian pact with America will be useful.

No grand bargains with any devil need to be made. The US is still the best thing going on this planet according to Guillame Durocher. You can read about his glowing report card for the US right here, at this website: https://www.unz.com/gdurocher/the-mystery-of-american-power/

It’s a reasonable stance. At the end of days, though, what matters more and makes all else irrelevant, is whether or not there was fidelity to Christ.

And not to forget that EU entry comes with lots of preconditions and that Bruxelles is no longer interested in pouring money into the East.