Where is the obsessive outcry against Poland and Bosnian Serbs to restore these ethnically cleansed lands? Is it because Jews are not involved? Likely so.

Likely not. I always get a kick whenever the defenders of the Zionist entity try to defend the indefensible.

In the inimitable words of Bill Clinton: It’s the occupation, stupid! The Zionist entity has been brutally oppressing another people for almost 50 years, or if we listen to Miko Peled, almost 70 years:

It’s important for people to stop talking about the occupation or the occupied territories.. as though they are limited parts of Palestine…. All of Israel is occupied Palestine, all of Israeli cities and towns are illegal settlements. And we have to start talking about it in those terms, otherwise we will never reach a solution, which relies on understanding this, and accepting the fact that we need to push for a transformation and the establishment of a democratic regime in Palestine.

http://mondoweiss.net/2016/04/sanders-put-everything-on-the-line-for-palestine-because-bds-movement-has-changed-us-conversation-peled/

You missed my point totally on Germany. Of course Germany’s pursuit of lebensraum was wrong. But Nazi Germany, a repeat aggressor and loser in wars (like Palestine and the Arab nations), had large areas of land taken from it after WWII that had been populated by Germans for many hundreds of years: East Prussia, Pomerania, and Silesia. These German lands were turned over to Poland. The German people inhabiting these lands were forced to emigrate to East or West Germany.

Likewise, much if not most or even all of the ethnic cleansing that took place in Bosnia by Serbia and Bosnian Serbs against Bosnian Muslims has not been undone.

Where is the obsessive outcry against Poland and Bosnian Serbs to restore these ethnically cleansed lands? Is it because Jews are not involved? Likely so.

Why don’t you bring a lawsuit against Hamas and Hezbollah and their defenders, FounderChurch?

It would be terrific to have a precedent set by which victims of speech that incites to violence can collect reparations/restitutions, maybe even treble damages from the perpetrator of such violence-provoking speech.

For example, the authors and funders of The Israel Project’s Global Language Dictionary (2009) could be held liable for disseminating information intentionally calculed to be harmful to the wellbeing of the Palestinian and Iranian people. Israel Project and the document’s author should be held liable for aiding and abetting violence.

A lawsuit against Israel Project and that doc could get very complicated: to the extent that US Congressmen voted or in some other way acted in ways harmful to the Palestinian, Iranian, or Syrian, and also by extension the American people, as a result of the information suggested by that handbook; and if that information was conveyed to US Congressmen by persons representing Israel but who were not properly registered under the US FARA act, then all of those issues would have to be litigated, and Israel, the Israel Project, the manual’s author, and those unregistered agents who used it to influence — i.e. “aid and abet violence” against Iraq, Palestine, Iran, Syria, etc. would be required to make reparations to all of those people, by your logic.

The American people would also have a claim against those parties who “aided and abetted violence” against third parties (i.e. Iraq), which caused the deaths of American personnel and harm to the economic wellbeing of the USA. That would be a whopping big claim for damages. How long do you think it would take Israel to come up with the money to pay all those claims?

They have the “right” to do anything they can get away with.

Freedom of speech is not per se violent, BUT when that speech is used to justify and encourage aggressive violence against Jews and Israel, then it can be considered as aiding and abetting violence. And hat is exactly what the defender of Hamas and Hezbollah are doing with their speech, even in the Parliament of England. This is what everyone except anti-Semites are doing.

zionists defying logic again. Impossible to attack ones invader dispossessor

I agree that the Jewish/Israel lobby/Lobby has way too much influence over American foreign policy.

Thanks for acknowledging this point. It’s makes a difference.

OK, you are wearing me down. I forfeit the TOT title to you.

I agree that the Jewish/Israel lobby/Lobby has way too much influence over American foreign policy.

People worry about different things. Some people worry about whether Saudi Arabia or Israel was instrumental to 9/11.

I worry about whether or not the pilots received DOE grants to attend flight school.

I think they would like to have more Jordans, Saudi Arabias and Egypts

Of course they would. But the Iraqs, Syrias, Libyas, and Irans were not obliging.

I think option one was to install a US/Israel-friendly regime (e.g. Ahmed Chalabi in Iraq), but failing that they were content to see these countries broken up into their component parts. And rather than coming out and announcing this was their real intent, they pulled a page from Sharansky’s playbook and claimed that their intervention in the ME was to promote democracy. Here is one of my previous comments:

[It] is very important to remember the source of the Bush Doctrine of promoting democracy at the point of a gun. It was a book (The Case for Democracy) by Natan Sharansky who was a refusnik and former Interior Minister of Israel. Rather than having a genuine desire to liberate the peoples of the ME, Sharansky devised an ingenious scheme that would destabilize Israel’s remaining enemies. These countries were targeted because they were supporting the Palestinians in their struggle against Israeli oppression. The common trait among these countries was that they were led by autocrats – Hussein in Iraq, Assad in Syria, Gaddafi in Libya – or autocratic regimes – the theocracy in Iran. Since these regimes proved difficult to subvert from without, Sharansky’s brilliant idea was to topple them from within. And this would require little effort thanks to how most of these countries were artificially constructed on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The Sykes-Picot Agreement was based on the principle of “Divide and Rule.” So Shia, Sunni, and Kurd were placed within a common border. Good luck trying to establish a functioning democracy under these circumstances. So next time someone talks about the virtue of “spreading democracy,” remember these are really code words for spreading instability and ultimately, bringing about regime change.

To reiterate, if they are that fucking good, let’s try to not piss them off.

Not sure what you’re replying to. It’s well-known that, much like the CIA created the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, the Mossad created Hamas to serve as a counter-weight and tool. Maybe Dr. Frankenstein has lost control of his monster now, but I doubt it.

I think they would like to have more Jordans, Saudi Arabias and Egypts. Some of them seem to fear Iran but I think that is because Iran sponsors irregulars and militias that will actually fight Israel. It would have been smart to help Iraq stay together as a counter-weight to Iran. Maybe you are right and they want Iraq destroyed so Iran will feel safe and can unleash more irregulars without having to worry about Iraq’s power.

If reality is just one big Jew created matrix we would be damn fools to tamper with their control.

Yes, I doubt that most of the Israeli leadership are pursuing a plan to have Israel surrounded by 15-25 Hamas like entities.

So what plan are they, and the Lobby, pursuing, in your view?

Yes, I doubt that most of the Israeli leadership are pursuing a plan to have Israel surrounded by 15-25 Hamas like entities.

As to US institutions, leaders, diplomats and such, I think that they are like children in a world of wolves, pedophiles, jesters and conmen. That John Kerry in his many rounds of senseless diplomacy has shown any coherent overall strategy that is beneficial to the US would have to be proven to me.

Since Israel created Hamas, I suspect they’d be ok with your scenario.

Just because one or more Israeli politicians support the “smash all ME nation states into pieces” idea does not mean that it is good policy.

Who said anything about it being good policy? All most of us are suggesting is that this is indeed the policy that has been foisted on the United States by a foreign lobby that believes this policy is truly in the best interests of the Zionist entity:

“It is hoped that the removal of Saddam Hussein from power will set in motion a ‘domino effect,’ will end the Palestinian Intifada, bring about the end of Yasser Arafat’s regime and eradicate the threat to Israel from Iran, Syria and Hezbollah.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/25/israel-american-jews-and-the-war-on-iraq/

Contrary to the belief of some, Israelis, and Jews for that matter, can and do have different ideas and beliefs.

Who is suggesting “Israelis, and Jews for that matter” are a monolithic? What most of us are suggesting is while there are, indeed, disparate viewpoints in the community, its leadership is united in promoting the policy of balkaniizing the Zionist entity’s enemies, as outlined in the Oded Yinon Plan and in PNAC’s A Clean Break. It is also clear that the Lobby has exercised its tremendous influence on US institutions to implement the goals set out in these policy papers by launching the GWOT, a front for regime changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist entity, all in an effort to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle.

Do you doubt any of this?

Just because one or more Israeli politicians support the “smash all ME nation states into pieces” idea does not mean that it is good policy. Israelis are not infallible, they make mistakes, sometimes major mistakes. Contrary to the belief of some, Israelis, and Jews for that matter, can and do have different ideas and beliefs.

You can’t be this stupid, can you?

Q: So where are the records of hundreds of thousands of Jews arriving in the occupied East in 1942 and 1943?

A: Destroyed by the Soviets.

You really need to find other employment… hasbara is just not your thing. (P.S. You’re not very good at it!)

But supposedly the Israeli leadership wants to be surrounded in the ME by failed states.

Michael Oren, a prominent lawmaker from Israel’s governing coalition and a former ambassador to Washington, is quoted by the WSJ expressing precisely that sentiment:

If we have to choose between ISIS and Assad, we’ll take ISIS.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/israels-main-concern-in-syria-iran-not-isis-1458207000

Biggest nightmare for IDF would be a failed state (ex: Somalia).

But supposedly the Israeli leadership wants to be surrounded in the ME by failed states. (This is supposed to be the motivation for “manipulating” [with a major assist from American Jews] America into major wars to dissolve existing nation states in the ME. Clever Israelis want to be surrounded by 10-20 Hamas type entities so that they have to continually take police actions in numerous states to exponentially increase the “goodwill” that they get from the rest of the world for actions in places like Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank, etc.

It looks to me like the anti-Zionists would be the ones to pursue this path.

Oh, and they want to grab Golan which they have had for 50 years.

Dear Sol, (sounds better than Croesus)

Question:

How do you define attacking unarmed and blockaded civilians with the most sophisticated weaponry on the planet

Answer:

Rigidity.

Lack of agility.

Impotence.

IDF lacks the capability of nimble response.

It cannot localize and reply in real -time to small arms fire.

The perpetrators fire and melt away.

IDF: NEVER ABSORB FIRE WITHOUT RETURNING IT.

The fire has no return address.

They have declared to themselves: “Hamas is in absolute control of Gaza”

HAMAS is the return address.

Biggest nightmare for IDF would be a failed state (ex: Somalia).

There’s actually quite a bit of evidence for gas chambers, considering the efforts undertaken to destroy the evidence. Ditto on documents. The population first bear out a population decrease of at least 4.5 million, but I’m comfortable with a figure of 5.75 million. I agree, btw, that it shouldn’t be a defining aspect of Jewishness.

Palestinians have the right of self defense.

What’s this, you have appointed yourself hall monitor now?

anti-Semites . . .want to use violence to tip the scales in their favor with regard to Jews. This is typical of the conduct of all criminals.

Do you mean violence like writing books, holding conferences and speakers’ events, and speaking inconvenient truths –are all of these instances of criminal conduct & violence according to you, First Amendment to US Constitution be damned?

How do you define attacking unarmed and blockaded civilians with the most sophisticated weaponry on the planet — as Israel has been doing in Gaza these past 4 days is that your version of “non-violence”??

BTW, not that it matters in any way, but I’m not a “denier”, I acknowledge that what happened to the Jews was a great crime, but akin to what happened to the Armenians (1-2M from all causes), not a cosmic event, or more appallingly, a defining event for present-day Jews.

Israel raids hit Gaza as violence flares for fourth day

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-targets-hamas-sites-gaza-rocket-fire-army-044734447.html

(caution: photos & text may be doctored. viewer discretion advised)

If by an “established fact” you mean the 6M number and gas chambers, it’s one for which there is little documentary or forensic evidence.

Nations have the legitimate right of self-defense, not to live parasitically off of other nations.

Hey, FounderChurch. Not sure how you ended up here at Unz. But based on your comment, you’ve obviously landed on the wrong webpage. I think you were probably looking for the NYT, WaPo, or WSJ. Just click on one of the links below and it should redirect you there:

http://www.nytimes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com

http://www.wsj.com

The conclusion being what? That millions of Jews were murdered? That wasn’t his conclusion. That was the established fact upon which he based his thesis.

You’re projecting what Holocaust deniers do onto actual scholars. None of them have written with the goal of proving the Holocaust.

Anti-Semites are a bunch of boo hoo cry babies who, like criminals, want to use violence to tip the scales in their favor with regard to Jews. This is typical of the conduct of all criminals. They whine and cry baby about not being born rich, so they turn to violence and crime to get by violence what they can’t get honestly with they own talents and hard work.

Every country has the right to self defense, and the right to pursue its national interest as its first, and even its only, priority. Differences between states can be pursued by war or diplomacy, or any other means, subject to other states taking counter measures they consider to be in their national interest. The Muslims generally, and the Palestinians in particular are a bunch of loser cry babies who want to get by violence what they can’t get with their own inferior talents and brains.

Israel is a state, that has fought 6 wars to keep its independence and protect it borders. In each of these wars America and Europeans forced them to stop when they had defeated the Arabs. In each war if not stopped the Jews would have wiped out every Arab state in the Middle East, and Israel would be ten time the size it is now. We have given aid to Israel as a inducement to get them to take their foot off of the neck of the Arabs. If America had refrained from being involved Israel would long ago have defeated totally all of the Arab States combined. Only America “forcing” Israel to back off has allowed these worthless states to continue to exist.

America should do nothing for or against any other state that is not in America’s National Interest. Part of America’s National Interest, as she sees it, is defending Christianity and Judaism anywhere in the world they are threatened. Jews like all peoples have both good and bad people among themselves. No nation is perfect and no person is perfect. Hitler should have focused on cleaning up the filthy, lazy, stupid, disloyal German people, instead of blaming Germany’s own faults on the Jews.

Anti-Semites have chosen for whatever reasons to make war on Jews and the Jewish state of Israel, and they in turn must expect to have war waged on them, by any means necessary.

America has many many “Lobbies” that lobby for many things, such as Atheism, Secular Humanism, Catholicism, Whites, Blacks and Hispanics. Jews are no different than any other group, except maybe a bit smarter. But the way to deal with Jews being “Smarter” is for other groups to get “Smarter” not to go boo hoo complaining about Jews having an advantage over them.

The fact is, he allowed the conclusion to drive the interpretation.

actually, the interstitial people have been supporting ISIS in a daylight – for the whole world to see. The Israelis’ support of ISIS included financing the ISIS by way of oil trading, treating ISIS warriors at the Israeli hospitals, violating the Syrian space and bombing the Syrian army personnel in order to weaken the flight of the sovereign state of Syria against ISIS. All these criminal acts have been committed in order to get the mineral-rich Golan Heights.
The “never again” and “never forget” have become utterly empty words bringing to mind the theft of Palestinian land and the “mowing” the civilian population in the Israel-occupied Gaza. The “never again” also reminds about the Lobby’s successful capture of the US Congress and thus about the Iraq & Libya & Syria destruction. The Middle East tragic saga of the last 15 years comes out as a step-by-step application of Yinon Plan for creation of Greater Israel. Instead of becoming an exemplar of ethics (see the numerous Holocaust Museums), Israel has succumbed to the banality of evil. Sad.

I don’t think you’ve actually read Hilberg. He doesn’t say anything about telepathy. You’re parroting a bad interpretation of a bad interpretation.

Hilberg was a believer in the idea that the nature of Nazi bureaucracy lent itself to competition among departments and interest groups and that much of the Holocaust was driven forward by such competition.

Jews are hated everywhere they go for good reason. If goyim reacted appropriately, there would be no more despicable joos.

If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, recreational, medical and other ancillary facilities. Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? The jewish communist Bolsheviks did just that with the non-communist civilian populations of the conquered countries in the communist orbit.

Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the Nazis in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.

The establishment of a “homeland” was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a barren land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident.

The truth about this minor event in human history will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

It is curious to note that jewish interests will hunt down and imprison a 90 plus year-old German “camp guard” while looking the other way when their “own kind” was involved in truly brutal actions. Camp “capos” and “sonderkommandos” (who were primarily jewish) come to mind. Not one of these jewish “collaborators” has been brought to (jewish) justice. I guess blood is thicker than water.

A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”.
Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

Most jews will never be satisfied with knowing that those that commit evil deeds on earth in this lifetime will pay for it in the next life . . . they have taken vengeance from the Creator and appointed themselves the exacter of vengeance (in contradiction to mosaic law but not their anti-gentile talmud).

Most jews are vengeful people that will never pass up a chance to “make a buck” by screwing a gentile (goyim) out of money or property. jews were hated in Germany for taking advantage of the non-jew Germans between the two world wars. The average German did not have a pot to piss in while his wealthy jewish neighbor was trading food for land . . . taking advantage of the jewish bankster situation in Germany.

Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel.

Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland” for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”.
American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing.
Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes.
The engineering inconsistencies proves that these “death camps” were recreated for communist propaganda purposes. Germans were excellent engineers, and as such, would not have made the engineering “mistakes” that are evident.
Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. However, the prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

After the end of WW2, these same “camps” were used to intern German civilians. These German civilians were subject to much greater deprivation and suffering than the previous “occupants” of these “camps”. In fact, jews were controlling these camps, at the behest of the Allied forces, and were vicious in their treatment of those interned. In fact, the German civilians interned were defined as “disarmed enemy combatants” despite being civilians, so that Geneva Convention rules would not apply to them.

In fact, it was JEWS that ran the internment camps after WW2. I guess vengeance was theirs, as the Germans made the jews WORK (manual labor in the camps) for the first time in their lives…

Fair enough, but Hilberg acknowledged the lack of documentary evidence by claiming that the Germans communicated orders by telepathy, essentially. He clearly had a desired conclusion in mind.

The six million figure was never related to the inflated Auschwitz figure. See, e.g., Hilberg’s 1961 study, which cites a one million figure for that camp.

Your question isn’t serious. The Soviets (and Western and Jewish sources) acknowledge that the Auschwtiz number was phony, it is true, but the fundamental story (including the magical 6M number) remains unchanged. It’s value as a propaganda tool and ideological weapon is obvious.

So where are the records of hundreds of thousands of Jews arriving in the occupied East in 1942 and 1943?

Interesting that you won’t engage further with me. That’s strong evidence of cowardice and lack of conviction in one’s beliefs.

The “death camps” Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor were basically transit camps where deportees were routed to various other labor and concentration camps in Poland itself or in the occupied territories in the East.

The verdict of the Düsseldorf Treblinka show trial, for example, stated that “coming from Treblinka, several thousand people are said to have arrived at other camps.”

This is confirmed by the testimony of many former deportees.

In the following excellent underground documentary by E.Hunt, which dissects the propaganda techniques used by the holocau$t industry( in this case re Treblinka), one can listen to several former Jewish deportees freely talking about how they were routed through “death camp” Treblinka to several other locations, at about 6:20

Well worth watching it all, to understand how atrocity propaganda is made and how we are bombarded with it.

Good work Beefcake, Rejoining Ash has made a fool of himself yet again. He’s been sliced & diced here.

But what can anyone expect from a redneck Zionist who recites from the racist hasbara handbook.

All the issues under discussion have been thoroughly handled at:
http://www.forum.codoh.com

BTW, it’s my understanding that the numbers have surged at that forum.
Isn’t http://www.unz.com great?

You’re not making any sense. Before the Soviet collapse, Gorbachev admitted to Soviet war crimes, most importantly the Katyn Forest massacre, which they had tried to pin on the Nazis. As you noted, they also conceded that the death toll at Auschwitz was heavily inflated. But they’re going to continue to hide relocation of millions upon millions of Jews? For what possible reason are they going to hide that information?

to justice,

Nice important comment. Should be read by all.

The references to the New York Times, (which is the leading Rothschild & other Zionist Oligarchs, propaganda organ, are legitimate. The back-handed admissions from the NYT, and leaks by some of their not totally evil reporters are doubly significant.

By way of analogy:

Their (NYT) articles covering the American Military/CIA extermination of 1 million Indonesian civilians in 1965, are similarly significant. Just Google “Indonesian Massacres,” The NYT reporters admit to the seriousness of the massacre “The rivers ran red with blood.” – I remember that sentence to this day (quote should be close to exact, or paraphrased). Their articles, (naturally / typically), blamed the Victims for their misfortune. The NYT insisted that the Civilian Victims, (Unarmed), somehow were responsible for their own demise. We are describing the massacre of whole families, men, women, elderly, and their children. The bulk of the secular oriented Indonesian Middle Class was eliminated – as part of the American -terrorist- Phoenix Program which was used in Vietnam (where 2 million civilians were slaughtered, mostly by American bombing.

The slaughter of Wounded Knee, and of tens of thousands of Philipine Independentists, 1900-1904, and a thousand other horrors come to mind.

The cynical handling, (or mishandling) of history is one of the key patterns of abuse so described by Orwell, and others, that accompany murderous Crimes Against Humanity.

Check it out.

The Truth shall make us free, or very unhappy. Or Both.

Durruti

Obviously, the most sensitive Soviet state secrets are still under lock and key. Russian national myth-making on the issue of German war crimes is pretty strong, although not as strong as it is for the Jews. (The Russians have unfortunately assumed a fair amount of Soviet baggage.). Plus why would the West want to expose them? They’re parties to the lie after all.

OK, great! So the Soviets concealed what happened to the Jews who were sent to Belzec. The Soviets have been gone for 25 years now. Why don’t we have the evidence of what happened to them? The rest of the Soviets’ lies have been exposed. Why not this one? It isn’t like the Soviets didn’t keep their own records of things.

You keep saying it’s “known” they disappeared. But it’s really not. The Soviets would have been in a position to produce the necessary forensic evidence (disregarding claims that the Germans dug up and burned all the bodies in the middle of Polish winter), but they didn’t. They would also be in possession of German documents detailing what did happen to those prisoners. So, likely scenario, many were indeed killed, but many were sent to other camps to serve the German war effort. The Soviets lied about other atrocities (e.g. 4M killed at Auschwitz), there’s no reason to think they wouldn’t lie about the so-called transit camps.

We know how many died at Belzec because we know how many were sent there and we know how few survivors there were. Hundreds of thousands of people being sent to a single location and then disappearing is pretty good proof that they died there, especially given the remains in the ground and the testimonies.

The key prosecution witness at the Belzec trial was Josef Oberhauser, who was in the SS detachment at Belzec. What proof do you have that he was coerced?

Do you find it difficult to type while wearing a straitjacket?

Re. coercion, I was referring to defendants, not witnesses. There were definitely cases of torture or other threats employed against German officials. You are perhaps right re. Belzec, although the primary German source of the official account, Gerstein, died under mysterious circumstances in French custody and at any rate his claims are often inconsistent and frankly absurd (e.g. 15,000 killed per day, etc.).

Some of the absurd claims re. Belzec include death by electrocution, “death trains”, and of course the human soap stories which no one believes.

As you no doubt know, nothing but speculation re. the number of corpses in those excavated graves was ever made. Which is why I suspect you decline to attribute such a number here instead of volumetric notes.

But to your ultimate point that I’m obligated to explain what happened to the Jews sent there: why? It’s sufficient to say that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, they weren’t all killed there.

Rejoining Ash,

You are clearly a pathetic LIAR & a SHILL.

Among many other idiocies, you wrote:

“Those testimonies were not supported by physical evidence; the Belzec testimonies were/are.”

NO, they are NOT. I’m familiar with the study, you are l-y-i-n-g.

Obviously, people did die in the camps, so finding some human remains is normal. The Belzec excavation data, in fact, supports the revisionist position. Few graves and too little human remains = NO death camp.

The so called Holocau$t is a monstrous hoax bc its three essential, key elements, are all FALSE.
(1) intention to mass murder the Jews, by Hitler and/or the NS elite;

(2) the use of gas chambers for industrial mass murder at specific locations; and

(3) the 6 million deaths.

Most people are led to believe re the ‘holocau$t’, that there is abundant proof of the alleged crime, as described above.
This is absolutely NOT THE CASE.

Let’s take a look at some admissions against interest by important holocaust “historians”:

During an interview to the Canadian STAR, 27 December 2009, prominent Jewish holo “historian” and Auschwitz ‘expert’, Robert Jan van Pelt, stated:

“We have no material or forensic evidence to support eyewitness reports of gassings…
Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove [then how do ‘we know’ it!?]…
It has become part of our inherited knowledge.”

Right.

Professor van Pelt also admitted that the “evidence” for the mass killings of Jews at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec—where allegedly millions were murdered – is sparse at best. In reference to these three camps, he wrote: “There are few eyewitnesses, no confession that can compare to that given by [Auschwitz commandant Rudolf] Höss, no significant remains, and few archival sources.”

In fact, several holocau$t “historians”, such as American professor and professional holohoaxter, Christopher Browning, have admitted that the “confession” of Höss is quite unreliable. No surprises, the man was brutally tortured.

In other words, Van Pelt is saying that there is no material or forensic evidence to support the Auschwitz gas chamber story and 99% of what he claims to be known is unsupported by physical evidence… then he also tells us that the “evidence” for the Aktion Reinhardt “death camps” is, in fact, even more lacking!
Notice he also mentions not only the lack of documents but also the fact that there are no significant remains.

Obviously, if mass killings of such order of magnitude in small camps the size of large parking lots had taken place, there would a massive amount of remains and huge mass graves.
Archeological investigations of Belzec concentration camp in the late 1990s, for example, found no trace of the alleged homicidal gas chambers. Holocaust “researcher”, i.e, quack, Robin O’Neal, conceded : “We found no trace of the gassing barracks dating from either the first or second phase of the camp’s construction.”

Israeli and Polish archeologists who recently investigated the Sobibor camp site found no physical evidence to prove the Sobibor homicidal “gas chambers” existed, or that hundreds of thousands were massacred there.

In fact, already in 1951, the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg show trials (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition).

Confessions likely obtained under duress are not very reliable,

Certainly you can provide some proof of witnesses at the Belzec trial being placed “under duress.”

and many of these eyewitness accounts are simply fantasy

Well, I gave you a very easy job by focusing on Belzec. Here are the known survivors who gave testimony: Rudolf Reder, Chaim Hirshman, and Israel Shapiro. That’s a grand total of three. Should take you no time to track down their testimonies, read them, and demonstrate what’s “simply fantasy” about then.

Having said that, I don’t doubt that many Jews were killed at places like Belzec and Treblinka.

So the number is inflated, you say? What happened to the rest of the people sent there, then?

But unless you would have me believe ridiculous accounts of burning bodies on open air pyres

Ridiculous why? Your mere assertion that something is ridiculous doesn’t make it ridiculous.

and such, I find it hard to believe that 500K were murdered there.

You find it hard to believe why?

And there is no forensic evidence for such a number anyway, at any of the camps.

That’s just flatly untrue. Thirty-three mass graves were identified at Belzec with a total volume of approximately 21,300 cubic meters or approximately 752,202 cubic feet.

What happened to them? Who knows?

Let’s try it this way: I say half a million people were sent to Belzec and then disappeared. There are clearly massive numbers of human remains there and only a handful of people who ever said they were interned there. Of those interned there, they all say it was a killing station that used gas chambers. So do the people that worked there.

Your explanation for what Belzec was would have to explain the remains, the testimonies, and provide some alternate explanation for where some reasonable proportion of those half a million people went. Otherwise, you’re not playing like a grown-up.

But it seems likely this was part of a very harsh wartime policy, and not some systematic extermination plan.

What else is sending half a million people to a place and killing them there but an extermination plan, exactly?

Confessions likely obtained under duress are not very reliable, and many of these eyewitness accounts are simply fantasy. Having said that, I don’t doubt that many Jews were killed at places like Belzec and Treblinka. But unless you would have me believe ridiculous accounts of burning bodies on open air pyres and such, I find it hard to believe that 500K were murdered there. And there is no forensic evidence for such a number anyway, at any of the camps. What happened to them? Who knows? But it seems likely this was part of a very harsh wartime policy, and not some systematic extermination plan.

Directly quoting a quote out of Mondoweiss

“Misterioso
May 4, 2016, 10:32 am

This controversy brings to mind the following:

After WWII, a memorandum dated January 11, 1941, was discovered in Ankara. Prepared by the German Naval Attaché in Turkey, it revealed that Naftali Lubentschik, a representative of the Stern Gang (one of the Yishuv’s terrorist orgnaizations) led by Avraham Stern, had met with German Nazis, Otto Von Hentig and Rudolph Rosen in Vichy controlled Beirut and proposed that in exchange for military aid and freedom to recruit European Jews for Palestine, the Sternists were prepared “…to take an active part in the war on Germany’s side…and [this cooperation] would also be in line with one [of Hitler’s recent speeches which] stressed that any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it.”

The proposition presented to the Nazis pointed out that “the establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.” (Quoted by Klaus Polkehn, “The Secret Contacts: Zionist-Nazi Relations, 1933-1941” as well as Lenny Brenner, Zionism in the Age of Dictators, Westport, Conn., Lawrence Hill & Co., 1983, p. 267 and Yediot Aharnot, February 4/1983). The Nazis rejected the Stern Gang’s proposal.

Following Stern’s death at the hands of the British in 1942, three of his lieutenants (one of whom was Yitzhak Shamir) took over leadership of the Gang. It is revealing to note that despite Avraham Stern’s ignominious record and his flirtation with the Nazis, Ben-Gurion later referred to him as “one of the finest and most outstanding figures of the era.”

Also, for the record:
“Adolf Hitler, who took his racism seriously, applied it to all Semites. He could not stand Arabs either. Contrary to legend, he disliked the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who had fled to Germany. After meeting him once for a photo-opportunity arranged by the Nazi propaganda machine, he never agreed to meet him again.” (Uri Avnery – link to zope.gush-shalom.org)
– See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/05/livingstone-supported-zionism/#sthash.yvT2dCVO.dpuf

WWII didn’t happen!!

Where are the bodies?

Excellent. Thank you.

Not even a quibble with Giraldi on this piece. He is taking essentially a righteous stand in the dispute between justice for the Palestinian people and the inherent racism in Talmudic Judaism which is exacerbated immensely by the Rothschild Zionists. Though Giraldi does not extend his observations to denote the racism inherent in the “Chosen People=Master Race shtick; it is quite possible to read between his lines.

One should always bear in mind that there are righteous Jews of good conscience who stand in the forefront of the BDS movement, for example. I could only wish there were far more of them.

There is also testimony by “perpetrators and survivors” to witchcraft & sorcery. It’s just gotta be true.

Those testimonies were not supported by physical evidence; the Belzec testimonies were/are.

And the excavated, verified mass graves with visible human remains are where exactly?

I already provided a link for the Belzec excavation data. Your refusal to look at it isn’t my problem.

Rejoining Ash, you are certainly taking a beating here. But you have provided an excellent opportunity for posting real facts about the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, and gas chambers’.

Really? What I see is repeated cut and pastes from a neo-Nazi Web site in which you clearly have some financial interest, where a chorus of chimpanzees all clap hands around someone called “Hannover,” whose posting style, including insults, strongly resembles your own. Fair enough?

Israeli Bolierplate 101.

ISRAEL was not attacked by Arabs until refugees started streaming out in 1947 -1848 . Combined Arab forces numbering half of Israeli forces and ill trained attacked Israel in `1948 and kept the fight in the areas occupied by Israel ( given to Palestine in 1947 but grabbed in the civil wars of 1947 )

TRY THESE REFERENCES from NYT Archives –

“(This certainly isn’t the first time the NYT contradicts itself either)

Two facts which torpedo the Zionist narrative are corroborated by reporting from the New York Times during this period.

1. Masses of Palestinian refugees were created before one Arab soldier ‘attacked’ the new state of Israel. In one story from March, 20th, 1947, the New York Times actually addressed the pre-1948 situation as one of colonization and describes it rather appropriately. Imagining such characterization in the NY Times today is fantasy. I urge you to read the whole article, titled “Palestine Jews Minimize Arabs: Sure of Superiority, Settlers Feel They Can Win Natives By Reason or Force,” but here’s an excerpt:

Whatever the degree of their superiority complex, however, the Jews are certainly confident of their ability to bring the Arabs to terms — by persuasion if possible, by might if necessary. The program of the largest terrorist group, the Irgun Zvai Leumi, is to evacuate the British forces from Palestine and declare a Zionist state west of the Jordan, and “we will take care of the Arabs.”

Despite this, the New York Times today repeats the ridiculous assertion commonplace in the Zionist narrative that the creation of the state was an innocent act that drew unprovoked and barbaric reaction from the Goliath Arab states. Here is another article, this one from April 16, 1948 and titled “Jews Press Arabs in Pitched Battle in North Palestine“:

[Villages] taken yesterday were Dabiat er Ruha, Rihania and Kuteinat. Previously they had occupied Kufrin, Abu Sureik, Abu Shusha, Zerain, Naamieh, Ghubyat at Tahta and Ghubyat al Fauqha. Several bridges blown up by Haganah squads between Jenin and Lajjun are hampering Arabs [sic] communication.

But today’s New York Times wants you to believe that the refugees created during the Nakba period, which is actually from 1947-1949, started only after Arab states attacked the newborn and sinless Israel. In reality, Zionist operations against Palestinian villages began well before the Arab armies crossed any borders. Half the total refugees created during the Nakba were created BEFORE May 15th, 1948.

Again, another New York Times story from May 2nd, 1948 titled “Dispair is Voiced by Arab Refugees: Evacuees from Palestine say Jews Crash Through Weak Resistance by Volunteers“:

A stream of Arab refugees is moving eastward across the Jordan river. Many of the refugees passing Jericho en route to Trans-Jordan, a few miles away, are from Jerusalem and Jaffa. They say they fear that Jewish offensives are crashing through weakened Arab volunteer resistance. Haifa was described as almost a ghost town, with its population having dwindled to less than 20,000 from a normal figure at least five times that.

Another article appearing in the New York Times titled “Palestine Strife Creates DP Issue” is dated May 3rd, 1948 stating “200,000 Arabs are now listed as homeless”:

It is believed that possibly 50,000 Arabs left Jaffa, thousands of them by sea. Other thousands have fled inland, large numbers of them to become cave dwellers in the historic caves of Beit Jibrin, northwest of Hebron…at least 40,000 Arabs left Haifa when the combined Haganah and Irgun Zvai Leumi force stormed the Arab market place and conquered all of the city except the British-held waterfront. From Jerusalem wealthy Arabs have fled to near-by countries, the poorer ones into the hills and villages.

Another New York Times story, this one from April 18th, 1948, tells of horror among refugees and massacres in the Galilee:

According to reports telephoned from Nablus, that town and Jenin are crowded with refugees, among whom the rumor is circulating that the Jews are driving on Jenin. The Haganah said it had killed 130 Druse [sic] tribesmen yesterday when it seized Usha, a village east of Haifa.

This information is important not simply because it illustrates how poorly the New York Times‘ current day reporting is on an issue it reported on thoroughly at the time (They can’t even copy and paste), but also because it clearly rebuts the Zionist narrative people like Jeffery Goldberg incessantly repeat despite mounds of historic evidence to the contrary. In this post, Goldberg argues that the Nakba was “self-inflicted” because the Arabs “attacked the just-born Jewish state and then managed to lose on the battlefield.” Setting aside the already morally corrupt notion that ethnic cleansing during war is somehow acceptable, history simply proves Goldberg wrong. For a detailed account of the patterns of depopulation, you can see this video of Salman Abu Sitta’s recent lecture at the Palestine Center, starting around the 10 minute mark.

2. The pre-state Israeli forces were far greater in number and far better equipped than the combined forces of the “Goliath” Arab armies. This is another myth in the Zionist narrative. They want you to believe that the 5 Arab armies had genocidal intentions and wanted to destroy Israel. Why else would you send 5 armies against one? But if the 13 nation-states of the Caribbean attacked the United States we’d hardly consider the United States the ‘David’ facing a Caribbean Goliath. But the Zionist narrative wants to trick you with a faulty numbers game. In reality, the pre-state Israel forces were greater in numbers and far superior in training than the combined forces of the infamous 5 Arab Armies. Conveniently, the New York Times reported in an article from Feb. 29th, 1948 titled “The Army Called ‘Haganah’” :

Nobody knows its full strength, let alone its membership rolls. But it is no amateur army. It has a nucleus of 30,000 men who served in the British forces. Three thousand of them served in the RAF, including more than forty pilots. More than 300 served in the Commandos and 4,000 in the Jewish Brigade in action in Italy. The British estimate Haganah’s active membership at anywhere from 60,000 to 80,000.

David Ben Gurion’s war diary notes that at every stage of the war Zionist troops outnumbered combined Arab armies. The Arab armies were disorganized having little combat experience prior to this with the exception of some of the Jordanian forces. Most Arab soldiers were using outdated arms from WWI or earlier which were inferior to the Zionist armies’ WWII arms and artillery. But even though these are facts the New York Times told us back then, they don’t want to remind you about it now. It makes you wonder; do the people that write the New York Times read the New York Times?
– See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/05/picking-apart-the-new-york-timess-zionist-narrative-on-the-nakba-using-the-new-york-times/#sthash.VJ0hYcPs.dpuf

You are a case study in ignorance. If your point was that the “usual redneck Zionists” commissioned the dig, then it turns out you’re wrong. Want to try again?

I have never, and would not, make posts at your laughable little forum, so kindly do not impute that I have.

There is also testimony by “perpetrators and survivors” to witchcraft & sorcery. It’s just gotta be true.

Of course when one looks at this laughable nonsense these “perpetrators and survivors” claim we quickly realize that they are simply impossible and they contradict themselves right & left. It’s embarrassing really. And do follow the money.
see:
http://www.forum.codoh.com
for example after example

And the excavated, verified mass graves with visible human remains are where exactly?

Rejoining Ash, you are certainly taking a beating here. But you have provided an excellent opportunity for posting real facts about the impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others, and gas chambers’.

Jews: the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral.

I’m sure the usual redneck Zionists commissioned this laughable ‘”dig”.

Of course I pointed all that out already, but you pretend I didn’t.

Here’s for more Unz readers.

‘Rejoining Ash’ slapped silly at:
‘Mass Graves / Serniki’
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6763

This is too easy.

Dear RA,

Given the circumstances (everyone has to compromise, else we get nowhere), this seems reasonable to me.

May God preserve you and yours.

How am I begging the question? Tell you what: Maybe you can tell me what Belzec was for, if not the killing of Jews. Any plausible scenario will do, provided you can prove it. I have as proof the testimony of the perpetrators and the survivors, the latter who are so few in number (less than 10), which is strange considering half a million Jews were demonstrably deported there, and they never arrived anywhere else. And there’s also copious physical remains at the site.

Your explanation?

So in short you don’t know — you have literally no idea — who commissioned the dig at Serniki or why.

And you seem to believe that if something isn’t available on the Internet, then it doesn’t exist.

Gotcha!

So you support removal of settlements in the West Bank then, right? Or at the very least, isolating the settler population to one contiguous area so the Palestinians can have their own contiguous manageable area without occupation forces rolling around?

These are my bare minimum conditions. Rather, I favor a single, binational, democratic state west of the Jordan.

Beg the question much?

If I may…

Even Israel does not claim the West Bank

No, it just settles it like it does. I can also not claim my neighbor’s house, but I’m sure if I went in whenever I wanted to raid the fridge, use the toilet, trash his furniture, berate his wife – he may have an issue about the validity of my words.

So you support removal of settlements in the West Bank then, right? Or at the very least, isolating the settler population to one contiguous area so the Palestinians can have their own contiguous manageable area without occupation forces rolling around?

Peace.

More fraud exposed:
http://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/MMWG_Killing_Sites.pdf
REPORT
MASS GRAVES AND KILLING SITES IN
THE EASTERN PART OF EUROPE

– no dodgy photo of alleged dig as was previously posted

– covered / obstructed ‘mass grave’ areas in all locations

– mass graves claimed in photos which show no mass graves whatsoever

– claimed “pits” with no humam remains in them

Laughable.

https://srebrenicamassacre1995.wordpress.com/tag/serniki-unearthing-the-holocaust/
‘Tales of atrocity from the grave’

“This is an edited version of a May 11 speech at the Sydney Jewish Museum, Darlinghurst, for the opening of the permanent exhibition Serniki: Unearthing the Holocaust.”
Bingo! A crappy Zionist source, highly biased and completely untrustworthy, but everyone is realizing that.

So what do we see? A picture of ONE, that’s ONE skeleton whose origin, date, identity, & location are completely unknown. Note again the utter lack of that dodgy photo.

Laughable.

The Katyn mass murder by Soviets site, what real forensic excavations look like:
http://codoh.com/media/files/documents/documents/katyn_v.pdf

now under discussion at:
‘Mass Graves / Serniki’
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6763

Note a Believer’s embarassing effort in that thread, rather like ‘Rejoining Ash’ here.

You’re saying that there was no study at Treblinka because I didn’t physically hand you a copy?

Even Israel does not claim the West Bank and Gaza are Israel. East Jerusalem, yes, but not the other Palestinian Territories.

Where? We see nothing. Just Zionist talk.
Laughable again.

You’re in a hole, I recommend that you stop digging.

The question was framed to have the answers be specifically limited to Arab Citizens of Israel

Israel draws the lines that determine what is or is not “Israel.”

No soup for you, you’re outside the line!

How fucking stupid do you think people are?

Have any proof for that, or do I just go on your word for it?

When you build camps for the sole purpose of killing people, then you pretty much have a plan.

The question was framed to have the answers be specifically limited to Arab Citizens of Israel, to whom these things don’t generally happen, bearing in mind that West Bank and Gazan Palestinians aren’t Israeli citizens.

The answers are that ACIs are barred from renting land owned by the Jewish Agency and they are barred from immigrating based on the Law of Return and other immigration legislation. Those are substantial ways in which ACIs are handicapped by Israel.

Name one way in which the non-Jewish citizens in Israel are actually second class citizens.

How about getting your house and village bulldozed, your kids killed, yourself driven into exile and government housing for Jews being built on one’s ancestral homeplace?

That would seem to qualify as 2nd class treatment.

Neo-nazis are the new Leftist fashion

Give me something real

Defense minister.

IDF General.

Mossad Director. (I am sure there are plenty of Palestinian agents)

Exclusion from the Law of Return.

If you are a supporter of Israel or an Israeli, you are damaging your country’s image.

You do so much damage posting nonsense that I suspect that you are an anti-Semite poser.

Name one way in which the non-Jewish citizens in Israel are actually second class citizens. And I mean a real factual way, not drawn from the many lies circulating about Israel.

Do they not receive the same welfare benefits?
Do they not receive the same medical benefits?
Are they restricted from public facilities such as beaches, parks, etc?
Are they restricted from stores, malls, pedestrian streets, etc?
Are they restricted from public transportation?

Give me something real, or take it back.

(and no, you can’t use the army because in fact non-Jews are allowed to volunteer for duty and many do. Druze and Circassians are drafted, Bedouin Arabs volunteer in significant numbers, Christian Arabs volunteer in small numbers, and even several Muslim Arabs are currently in the IDF.)

‘Jews Only’ towns, ‘Jews Only’ regions, ‘Jews Only’ neighborhoods, ‘Jews Only’ streets/highways, ‘Jews Only’ shops & markets, ‘Jews Only’ swimming pools, ‘Jews Only’ buses, ‘Jews Only’ water, ‘Jews Only’ gas development of fields just off Gazan coast, ‘Jews Only’ mineral resources ….

None of which actually exist.

Thanks

will take a gander.

That’s right, it began not long after the Vietnam War ended.

American support for the “mujahidin” started before there was a single Soviet soldier in Afghanistan.

Thank you for your reply.
I agree: not all stories should hark back to Adam & Eve.

—

So saying — Alistair Crooke married Patrick Armstrong’s warning that Russia is responding to US-NATO’s encroachments on Russian borders by preparing for a “big war,” with a capsule account of how central bankers precipitated the World Wars, and are conducting a similar form of financial warfare today, against Russia (and Iran, I would add).

http://www.conflictsforum.org/2016/the-russians-are-preparing-for-a-defensive-big-war-both-conventional-and-hybrid/

Golan heist?
With Syria in chaos, Israel makes a bold claim

April 28, 2016
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2016/04/28/Golan-heist-With-Syria-in-chaos-Israel-makes-a-bold-claim/stories/201604280026

By the Editorial Board

Israel appears to be in the process of trying to take advantage of the current weakness of Syria to legitimize its seizure and occupation of the Golan Heights in the 1967 war.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took the occasion of an unprecedented Israeli Cabinet meeting he organized in the Golan April 17 to declare that Israel would “never” give the Syrian territory back. He called it “an integral part of the state of Israel in the new era.” The Golan was declared part of Syria in 1946 and was taken by Israeli forces in the Six-Day War of 1967.
There have in the past been recurrent negotiations between the Israeli and Syrian governments regarding the return of the Golan to Syria. In recent years, however, Israel has established some 41 settlements in the part of the Golan it holds, resided in by an estimated 20,000 Israelis and including vineyards and a dozen or so wineries. Genie Energy Ltd. of Newark, N.J., also is looking for oil and natural gas in the Golan.
The U.N. Security Council met April 26 and sharply rejected Israel’s claim, reminding the world of Israel’s military occupation of the Golan and illegal settlements there. The U.S. did not block the Security Council action. When Saddam Hussein’s Iraq attempted to annex Kuwait in 1990, America put together a multinational force and ejected Iraq from the neighboring state.
There has been some suggestion on Israel’s part that its occupation of the Golan should be recognized as legal as a form of compensation for the agreement that Security Council members and Germany reached with Iran in June, trading an end to economic sanctions for Iran’s suspension of its nuclear arms program. Israel has also suggested that the annual military aid it receives from the U.S. be increased to $5 billion from its current $3 billion as another act of compensation for the Iran accord. Israel’s own arms exports amounted to $5.7 billion last year.
The current multiparty war in Syria is certainly reason for Israel to watch carefully the border of the two-thirds of the Golan it holds. At the same time, the current disorder in Syria can in no way serve as a reason to legitimize Israeli occupation there. Resolution of the ultimate fate of the Golan needs to await the end of the war in Syria.

The reality of German war crimes does not support claims of an extermination policy.

Ash and body remains mixed with sand all over Treblinka:

http://tinyurl.com/z9fck4f

Is there some reason why posts with links aren’t coming through?

Come up with your own insults.

If you want to prove that the core samples from Belzec are fake, you’re going to have to prove it. Your mere assertions and links to your vanity website are worthless here.

Really? The Serniki grave is fake? Are you aware who commissioned that dig and why?

I see now why you were reluctant to debate here. Mere assertions hold no truck here. You say it’s a fake? Prove it.

Serniki was excavated 15 years ago.

Beefcake:
Another revealing topic:

‘1000 year old Viking mass graves excavated, identified, etc., but no such ‘holocaust’ mass graves. Why? / +Treblinka’

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10137

This is too easy.

Ah yes, I have you yet again.

Lying Zionists claim ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ / 11,000,000 !!, yet you are left arguing about an inconsequential Serniki site & non-existent core samples.

Why not actually dig and show the alleged 900,000 Jews at Treblinka? See below for answer.

Hilarious.

I Googled ‘Serniki mass graves’ and this came up first, ha!
Yes, Revisionists cover it all.
‘Mass Graves / Serniki’
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6763&start=15

Look closely, an embarrassingly fake Serniki photo, no such site like this actually exists. See it demolished at link above.
And for your fraud at Treblinka see:

‘The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax’
http://codoh.com/library/document/3286/

Note that the GPR used at Treblinka actually shows nothing at the alleged site of the 900,000 Jews. Nothing.
You’ve been hoisted by your own petard yet again.

And for your fraud at Belzec, please actually show these non-existent “core samples”, you cannot.
see laughable nonexistent core samples debunked here:
‘Belzec: a fraudulent excavation’
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30

You see, the ‘holocau$t’ scam is all smoke & mirrors, no substance.

It merely serves the interest of racist Zionist land seizures, Zionist mass murders, Zionist ethnic cleansing. Zionist extraction of cash from US taxpayers, and the bizarre need for Jews to be at the center of everything:

‘Jews: the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral.‘

Do you mean the sites that are under Rabbinical proscriptions against exhumation?